On this episode of the podcast, I had the pleasure of sitting down with one of my good friends and social media sensation, to talk about gambling, social media, and how he went from being a bachelor to being a millionaire in a short period of time. We talk about how he got started in the gambling game, how he started his social media account, and the crazy things he's been up to since he was 16 years old. I hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did making it to the 8th episode of The Real Reel Podcast! Tweet me if you have any thoughts or opinions on any of the topics covered in this episode! Timestamps: 4:00 - If I was a 16-year-old kid and I won the lottery, I'd be living exactly the way you live 8:30 - How much money would I be making 10:40 - What would I do with $100 million? 15:00 - How long ago did I start gambling? 16:00- How long have I been a gambler? 17:30 18:20 - When I started gambling? 19:00 How long has I been gambling? 20:00 When did I know I was going to become rich? 27:00 What s my favorite thing to do with money? 28:00 Do you have a bucket list? ? 29:00 Can you tell me what you would do if you had $100M? 30:00 If you had it, what would you would you do with it? 31:00 Would you be doing it all? 32:30 What s your biggest weakness? 35:00 Who are you looking for? 36:00 Are you looking at me right now? 37:00 Where do you want to be next? 39:00 Is your favorite piece of food? 40:00 Have a question or would you like me to send me a picture of you guys? 41:00 Should I go to the next episode? 42:00? 45:30 Do you want me to come back next week? 47:30 Can you have me send you a message? 44:30 Are you interested in a photo of you and I'm looking at you? 51:40 Can you give me a shoutout? 56:40 What do you have an update on what you're looking for
00:02:43.000And also, I got actually kind of like the opposite, because I got a lot of people that are looking at my shit that can't really be seen looking at my shit.
00:02:50.000Like, there's like some big producer, I won't say his name, but like...
00:02:53.000Every time I post a girl, like, they get hit up in the DM. And this is, like, a big, big, like, you know, like, fucking done, like, hundred million dollar movies and shit.
00:03:01.000And he's, like, hits them all up, you know?
00:03:03.000So there's, like, a lot of these dudes that just stalk me out.
00:03:05.000Like, this Paul Marciano, this fucking guy is, like, every time I, like, post a chick, she's got a guest campaign now, you know?
00:03:46.000I just distinctly remember because I won like 11 million bucks in a night and my buddy who I'd just given like two thousand dollars to made me a million off it because he got second in the World Series of Poker so I had like a 12 million dollar week so I was like fuck it I'm gonna take this dude down to like Puerto Vallarta with a bunch of chicks and we're gonna have fun you know and that was kind of like um that was that was one of the big actually no I'm sorry I take that back I'd broken up my girlfriend and it was a buddy of mine Nick Cassavetes who he's like You know,
00:06:43.000Yeah, I mean I mean it is I mean people make these big judgments They're gonna make big judgments on you first of all because you're doing some stuff That's just like so far to the right end of the spectrum.
00:06:54.000It doesn't even make sense Like how the fuck is he pulling all this off?
00:06:57.000It does it's like it seems unattainable So they're gonna make well he's this guy's wrong and these I would never do that and they're saying a bunch of crazy shit because The way you're living is just so bizarre.
00:09:18.000That's not really like a girl saying, hey, I want X or Y. That's her saying, hey, you've got to do this or you're getting your ass beat.
00:09:24.000Yeah, there's a way bigger difference between that and a lot of what you see in L.A. is these girls, they want to wear the nice purses and have nice shoes, or they don't really want a job, and they want to live in a nice apartment, but they don't want to work.
00:09:42.000And by the way, getting back to your last thing, if it was legal, there wouldn't be the pimp saying, hey, you're going to do this, you're going to get your ass beat.
00:09:58.000I mean, as much as I hate pain pills and as much as I've lost friends to pain pills and oxys and all this different shit, there's no fucking wars being fought over it.
00:10:07.000There's not blood in the streets of Juarez, Mexico over pain pills.
00:10:10.000You know, all that shit is over drugs that are illegal.
00:10:13.000As soon as those drugs become legal, I think probably less people would use them and you'd get tax dollars from them and at least there would be some sort of a solution in terms of like treatment and responsibility and you'd be able to look at it a little bit differently.
00:10:27.000Yeah, I just think there's too much money in kickbacks for that to happen, but I totally agree.
00:10:31.000I mean, I think alcohol is far worse for you than many drugs.
00:10:35.000How many times have you seen people get into fights or shoot people or wreck their cars because they're high on weed?
00:11:30.000That Hillary Clinton, the WikiLeaks released some paper where she was in communication with bankers, one of the emails, and she was saying that she was going to stop weed.
00:11:41.000That she was going to make sure that weed was not legal.
00:11:44.000That she was going to do her best and stand her ground and all this nonsense.
00:11:49.000Leak reveals Clinton promised bankers to stand against marijuana legalization.
00:12:16.000Well, not only that, like, she was trying to say that once Bill got out of the office, he was dead broke.
00:12:21.000Well, you're not dead broke now, so how the fuck did you guys make all that money?
00:12:23.000They're worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:12:26.000It's all from speaking arrangements and pay to play and weird fucking shady deals they have with banks and they do these speeches that nobody wants to fucking hear and they pay them a quarter million bucks an hour.
00:12:40.000Yeah, I mean, the more money you have and the more you kind of rub shoulders with these people, you kind of get a look behind the curtain and you see that, you know, it's just...
00:12:47.000I mean, politics, if you look up the definition of politics, I mean, it's like bullshitting, right?
00:15:05.000So look, I mean, I'm a gambler, but I don't want to bet half a minute worth I'm going to love a girl forever.
00:15:10.000But not to say that I wouldn't have a girlfriend or I'm capable of being monogamous.
00:15:18.000For me, it's more about options, really.
00:15:20.000At the end of the day, it comes down to most guys are in relationships, I feel like, because it's either, hey, I'm going to jerk off on Saturday night, or I've got to put up with her shit and I get laid.
00:15:31.000A lot of it's out of laziness, a lot of it's out of lack of options, whatever the case may be, but it's not correct.
00:15:38.000For me, I think a correct relationship is a guy that could be fucking five or ten girls, and he chooses to hang out with this one girl because he likes her, We're good to go.
00:16:08.000Like, you know, or he's a doctor or whatever.
00:16:10.000That to me is more of a part of who that guy is than a girl that's just born hot.
00:16:14.000So for a guy to like a girl just because she's hot, I feel like is like the most superficial thing of all time.
00:16:20.000Well, I mean, she has to be nice, too.
00:16:23.000She does, but I'm saying a lot of guys are with a girl just because she's hot, and they don't really get as much shit as a girl that's with a guy because he's successful or because he has money.
00:16:34.000Like, the guy who earned that money, it's his character and his willpower and his discipline that's allowed him, his smarts has allowed him to earn that money, or he just got lucky as fuck.
00:16:43.000There's definitely some lucky ones, but you also have to hold on to it.
00:16:47.000Once you've got money, you've got every asshole and their mother with their hand out trying to scam you.
00:16:52.000It's easy to fuck it off or make bad investments or whatever the case may be.
00:16:59.000It is a funny little situation there, isn't it?
00:17:03.000It's also the way women are allowed to dress, even like a respectable woman is allowed to have her tits pressed together and pushed up and she's allowed to have a skirt that's just like a little light vagina curtain, you know?
00:18:22.000When men complain about the double standard in marriage, like what you said, as far as it being a gamble, it's a terrible gamble for a wealthy man.
00:18:37.000Well, no, you're asking the government permission to be with a girl, and if you decide that you don't want to be with them, now you have to go ask the government, and then you have to get lawyers involved.
00:18:47.000And it's this whole process that, in my eyes, it makes both parties feel...
00:18:51.000Well, not both parties, because usually it's kind of like a magnet.
00:18:54.000One is pushing a little bit further than the other.
00:18:56.000So there's one kind of always chasing or whatever.
00:18:59.000So for me, it just makes the party that's a little bit less invested just feel trapped.
00:19:04.000And when you're in a relationship and you feel trapped, the first thing you want to do is run, right?
00:19:08.000So you got this one person that inevitably ends up feeling trapped, and the other person...
00:19:14.000You know, kind of gets lazy or complacent and I feel like it just snowballs.
00:19:18.000You know, there's like a lot of momentum things, right?
00:19:20.000So if relationships just starts kind of going downhill and you're trapped in it because you're legally bound, I just feel like it's just going to get worse and worse and the girl's going to stop giving the Blowjobs and the guy's going to resent it and then maybe he cheats.
00:19:32.000It's like this whole cycle that just wouldn't happen if you were hanging out because you wanted to hang out.
00:19:37.000Because let's face it, if you're hanging out with a chick and you like her and she's cool and then she just decides to just completely let herself go and she turns into a fat ass or she just stops wanting to have sex, you're just going to fuck other girls or you're just not going to hang out with her, right?
00:19:50.000But if you're married to her, you don't really have a choice.
00:19:53.000I mean, now you're kind of like, you've got to ask the government permission and this and that.
00:19:56.000Yeah, you've got to get lawyers involved.
00:21:26.000My buddy, he got into a relationship and he just dove in super hardcore really fast.
00:21:31.000And I just told him, I said, look, I just feel like you don't have a lot of upside by doing that because you can get hurt.
00:21:37.000And if you just take it slow, worst case scenario, you just weren't quite as close for a month.
00:21:43.000But I said, if it doesn't work out, then now you invested all this time and this effort.
00:21:51.000And I feel like because he went so hardcore for this girl, it kind of like...
00:21:56.000You know, sometimes it makes them run away a little bit because they know, you know, people, you know, they just by nature want what they can't have, right?
00:22:03.000So if you just give it all to them immediately, then it's kind of like, yeah.
00:23:13.000I mean, she would have to bank on marrying this guy would be worth, I think my buddy pays her somewhere around a half million dollars a year.
00:24:39.000That's the only way you get the money.
00:24:40.000You don't get the money if the girl doesn't make much money.
00:24:44.000And everybody wins if the rich guy gets fucked.
00:24:47.000So if the legal battle for the divorce lasts two years as opposed to two minutes, everybody gets paid.
00:24:54.000Both lawyers on both sides make a substantial amount of money, the woman gets a substantial amount of money, the guy gets fucking drained like a vampire.
00:25:02.000And that's what happens, predominantly.
00:25:05.000Yeah, which is usually the outcome of, you know, a lot of times when a rich guy gets involved in anything is, yeah, he gets drained.
00:25:11.000And that kind of goes back to my previous point of why I feel like women that are attracted to guys that are successful, you know, it makes sense because there's just so many people trying to take that motherfucker down, you know?
00:25:30.000I mean, it's just like a moose having a fucking giant set of antlers.
00:25:35.000All the other moose are like, oh, look at those antlers.
00:25:37.000I mean, it's a thing that exists in all different species.
00:25:42.000I mean, there's no denying that when a guy pulls up in a Rolls Royce and he flies in his own private jet and he does a bunch of things that nobody else can do, that people just go, oh.
00:25:53.000And women automatically, genetically, get attracted to that guy for some strange reason.
00:26:37.000In poker, I've noticed that if a guy loses money to another guy and he knows that that money is going to help that other guy out or his quality of life is going to be improved by that money, it really fucking irritates him.
00:26:51.000If I lose $5 million to a billionaire, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as if I lose maybe a couple hundred thousand to some guy that's pretty broke and now he goes out and buys a new fucking car with my money and I'm just like, this fucking guy.
00:27:09.000But another thing about it is if you lose money to a guy that has a bunch, you always think that there's a chance you could win it back, too.
00:27:33.000So you look at your upside, it's like, okay, best case scenario, I walk away from this with this guy's last $100, which to me, some guys get off on that.
00:27:39.000To me, I don't really ever want to break a guy.
00:27:42.000But then you look at the downswing of that, it's like, okay, I could spend $10,000 trying to chase my initial $100 that I lost.
00:28:03.000So what did you do for a living before you played poker?
00:28:06.000I mean, I was in the military for four years, and when I got out, got honorable discharge, and I was getting some disability money from the VA just because I got a lot of injuries when I was going through BUDS, and not even just injuries,
00:28:21.000just all the medical checks that they do.
00:28:23.000They just document all the things that are wrong with you, so you get a percentage for all those things.
00:28:27.000Like what kind of shit was wrong with you?
00:28:29.000Fuck, I mean, first time I went in, I had bilateral stress fractures, so I was, you know, I went into buds of broken legs, and so I was, you know, eating a bunch of Motrin, it burned a hole in my stomach, I had acid reflux, they ended up getting so bad they were actually going to kick me out of the Navy for it.
00:28:44.000So you were going through buds with broken legs?
00:28:46.000The first time I went in, yeah, nobody knew that.
00:29:25.000I got an overuse injury, turned into a stress fracture.
00:29:28.000They basically put me on a medical hold.
00:29:31.000And my detailer said, look, you can stay on this medical hold until your legs are healed, and then I'm going to send you to a ship for two years, and then you can apply, or else you can get cleared and go straight to SEAL training.
00:30:16.000But I bet the guy and I won the fucking money.
00:30:18.000And three weeks after, I was just, I mean, I could barely walk, you know.
00:30:23.000So I ended up getting rolled and they kicked me out.
00:30:27.000And so I went to my ship and the ship was like, the captain of the ship wanted to take me out to sea, even though I was supposed to be on crutches.
00:30:37.000So after going through the hardest thing and then getting dropped, now I'm on a boat and I'm supposed to be healing up and this guy wants to take me out at sea.
00:30:48.000So I go to Okinawa and I requested to go in to see my wisdom teeth.
00:30:53.000And then when I was there, I was like, hey, check my legs.
00:30:55.000They're like, okay, we'll do a nuclear bone scan.
00:30:58.000So when I was supposed to go in, they said, come back in two hours.
00:31:18.000I'm like, yeah, these motherfuckers, you know?
00:31:21.000And so they were gonna kick me out of the Navy.
00:31:23.000So I was gonna get medically discharged from the Navy, and it took them so long that I actually requested to go back.
00:31:32.000And I just, I'll never forget, because I went in to talk to the CO of my, it was like a limited duty security detail or whatever, and he goes, let me get this straight.
00:31:42.000He goes, you're about to be medically retired from the military, he goes, for broken legs, and you want me to request, or approve a request for you to go to SEAL training.
00:32:14.000So I ended up pulling some strings, and basically I just had to get cleared, and then I had to pray that I got sent to BUDS, because if not, I'd go to a ship, and then I had to...
00:32:24.000It was just like, it would be the biggest disaster of all time.
00:32:27.000So that was one of my biggest gambles, was doing that.
00:32:30.000I had a free ride for the rest of my life, medically retired, I'm a disabled veteran, all this great shit, and I kind of gave it up to go back.
00:32:42.000Yeah, I went into his office and he goes, you might be the stupidest motherfucker I've ever seen.
00:32:48.000He goes, you just better hope that you don't end up back at this command.
00:32:52.000He goes, you're going to be cleaning fucking toilets until you get discharged.
00:33:33.000And then so all through Bud's and then you know on the boat so it was basically like you know I had broken legs for like a year and a half or a year and seven months.
00:33:42.000It was basically like they're like okay well this guy's legs are just never gonna fucking heal right like that was kind of like the military's take on it was like okay well he's been on limited duty like this and that like his legs should have healed by now and they just aren't so what are we gonna do with them?
00:34:29.000It's like, let my legs heal, you fucking cocksucker.
00:34:31.000The guy wanted me to stand watches on the boat.
00:34:34.000It was basically like a fuck you to him.
00:34:37.000So you crushed your own legs to get off the boat and then tried to get into SEAL training?
00:34:42.000Yeah, well, it took them so long, you know, it took them so long to process me out of the military that they had healed, and so I was just like, oh, fuck.
00:34:55.000And not only that, but, like, if you're, like, a disabled veteran, you get, like, you're eligible for, like, a lot of shit.
00:35:01.000You know, if you're, like, medically retired, it's kind of like, you know, you went in the military and you tried to, you know, Be in there forever and you just got injured.
00:35:24.000So then I went back into the BUDS or SEAL training or whatever, and I made it two days before graduation, and I got rolled all the way back to the beginning, and then I did the whole fucking thing again.
00:35:41.000Why'd you get rolled all the way back to the beginning?
00:35:45.000When I went through the second time, I kind of had the attitude of just like, fuck, I've already done this shit.
00:35:51.000And I just, you know, also, I don't know.
00:35:54.000I mean, I was just in great shape and I just, I wasn't worried about anything.
00:35:58.000So my attitude was like, okay, well, worst case scenario, I'm just going to get beat and I don't really care.
00:36:03.000So I just would, I just figured if I passed everything and I like performed well and I didn't quit, like they couldn't kick me out.
00:36:10.000So I kind of didn't really kiss ass or anything.
00:36:30.000So it's like, where's it going to happen?
00:36:32.000I'm going to get hypothermia, I'm going to have to do some push-ups, whatever.
00:36:35.000I just didn't really have a good attitude, and I wasn't too worried about the other guys in the class, because I figured I would lose most of them.
00:36:43.000I started off with 239 guys, and we came through Hell Week with 34. My first class, we started with 119, and we came through with 17. So you're going to lose most of these guys.
00:37:26.000And then the second one was we were doing IADS, like these live fire drills, and half the class was behind the berm, the other half was doing it, and then we switched.
00:37:36.000And I was behind the berm, and my office...
00:37:49.000So out on the island, you get six hours of sleep max if you fall asleep when you get off, and then you wake up the second and you don't clean any of your gear, you get six hours.
00:37:59.000So he put me on a watch in the middle.
00:38:01.000So I got maybe like an hour in the beginning, and then I'd just wake up for two hours with a watch, and then maybe if I could go back to bed, I'd get like an hour, maybe two hours of sleep.
00:38:09.000So I was running on real low sleep, and so I was behind the berm, and I just, you know, I fell asleep.
00:38:56.000So yeah, so I got rolled all the way back.
00:38:58.000So basically they put me in front of the thing and they're like, well, you got two safety violations, whatever.
00:39:04.000And I was just like, you know, I was like, well, I didn't really even explain.
00:39:07.000I didn't even really like, at the time you're like so brainwashed that these guys are like gods that you don't even really want to argue with them because they're your instructors.
00:39:14.000It's like, You can't even have a conversation with these guys.
00:39:17.000If they ask you a question, your answers are like, hoo-yah.
00:39:21.000So you're so conditioned to not argue that I didn't really defend what happened.
00:39:28.000Because if I would have walked in there and defended half the class, just given the explanation, but I didn't really want to argue with these instructors because you're just so brainwashed.
00:39:38.000Anyways, so I basically told them, I said, look, I don't care.
00:39:41.000I'll go do the whole fucking thing again.
00:40:46.000My brother taught me how to play poker, like, the first year, because I was getting all this money from the VA and the GI Bill, and I got grants.
00:40:56.000And that's where you learned how to play poker?
00:40:57.000Yeah, my brother taught me, and then I was playing in college.
00:41:00.000I was playing, like, some online stuff.
00:41:02.000I had a couple fraternity brothers that were real into it, and they taught me a little bit, and there's some home games, and Yeah, that's how I started.
00:41:18.000I went and played on a gambling boat for like a week.
00:41:21.000I sold three guns for $750, played on this gambling boat for a week, turned it into $10,000, went to Vegas, and then turned that into $187,000 at Bellagio after playing for three weeks straight.
00:42:05.000I came into poker at a time when nobody really knew how to play.
00:42:09.000This fucking guy, Chris Moneymaker, he turned $25 into a $2 million or $3 million win, and he wasn't even that great, so it was like the new gold rush.
00:42:55.000My friend Ari, Ari Shafir, when he was struggling in Hollywood, when he's a stand-up comedian, and when he was just starting out, he would make his money playing poker.
00:43:05.000He'd go to poker tournaments, and he made way more money playing poker than he ever did doing stand-up.
00:43:10.000Yeah, actually, I mean, I'll tell you the story of how I dropped out of college.
00:45:30.000So, you know, Pussy, for instance, like, if you set it up correctly, like, I mean, if you Buy a big brand or a modeling agency or whatever it is, and you're providing these girls with a career.
00:45:41.000Like, for instance, let's use Hugh Hefner.
00:45:43.000So if you become a Playmate, you're guaranteed $25,000.
00:45:48.000I mean, this is back in the day, right?
00:45:51.000This is like 10 years ago when Playboy was hot or $20.
00:46:22.000I mean, it makes sense, but the factor that's missing is the fact that you were talking about before, like, you're not really into fucking girls that aren't into you, you know?
00:46:31.000That's completely out of the question when you're a skeleton.
00:46:37.000Yeah, but when you're a skeleton, what are you going to do?
00:49:47.000Yeah, because she didn't speak English.
00:49:49.000And I also wanted to just see if I could do it.
00:49:52.000I just wanted to see if I could actually have sex with a girl without speaking to her at all.
00:49:56.000It was kind of awkward because there were times when I wanted to say something or there was a question asked or whatever, or it was in the middle of sex.
00:50:04.000Normally I'll talk dirty or something, but I made a point to be a fucking mute.
00:50:38.000So he come over and he's telling me about this new movie that he wants to do and there's a dad and there's a grandfather's son and dad and they're all in the military in different wars and he was talking to me about maybe playing the son.
00:50:52.000And I was interested in it, because I had done a little bit of acting up until then, and so I was trying to check it out.
00:50:59.000I remember it was like every 30 seconds or minutes somebody would come up and ask me for a picture.
00:51:06.000And after the 20th person, somebody came up And was like, oh, Ron, like, you know, I love a picture with you.
00:53:22.000When you put that fucking stupid tie on, and you got those slippery shoes with the tassels on them, you know, pretending that you really talk like that, you know, and you're talking about dividends and making it, well, we can make this work, and let's touch base on Monday, and, hey, great to talk to you, and, like, shut the fuck up.
00:53:43.000You know, that's what I wanted to just kind of get rid of.
00:53:46.000Well, I had a conversation with someone about, you know, people that have a lot of money and ballers and someone goes, oh, that seems like such an empty life.
00:53:54.000And I don't know if we were talking about you specifically, but you're like a perfect example of it.
00:54:03.000Like, what's so great about showing up to an insurance company every day and putting in your work?
00:54:09.000Like, yeah, look, it's very admirable to provide for your family.
00:54:12.000It's very admirable to put in hard work when you don't want to and get it done.
00:54:18.000There's nothing wrong with figuring out a way to not do that either.
00:54:21.000You know, just because you got stuck in some sort of a weird situation where you have to fucking grind it out at some lumberyard every day doesn't mean that a guy like you who's just got some crazy...
00:55:24.000Four times as much as a doctor or a lawyer when they get out of college.
00:55:29.000And forget about all their debt that they have.
00:55:32.000Let's just say they come out of college with no debt.
00:55:35.000She's still making five times more money than them at four years younger.
00:55:39.000Well, also the amount of fucking time they have to spend.
00:55:43.000If you're a doctor or a lawyer, not just going through medical school, not just going through your residency, but working, constantly working.
00:55:49.000And she's got to post a couple of pictures.
00:55:51.000Yeah, sit on a couch, post a few pictures.
00:56:56.000Now these girls are getting booked out.
00:56:58.000They're getting paid $5,000, $10,000 to just go on a vacation.
00:57:02.000Some of them don't even have to sleep with any of the guys.
00:57:07.000That seems like you would never get anything done.
00:57:10.000Yeah, I mean, and from these girls' point of view, you can't really blame them.
00:57:13.000I mean, it's like, fuck, if I was one of these girls and I could travel the world on a private jet and do all this other, you know, crazy shit for free, and it's just, I mean, I don't know.
00:58:11.000He would smoke like 15, 20 joints a day, and when he'd pull up to the strip club, he would give these guys his roaches, because his roaches were half done, because he would smoke them like he would smoke cigarettes.
01:00:15.000Yeah, I mean, I'm just, you know, doing some wish fulfillment.
01:00:19.000Now, do you have a plan charted out for this existence, or are you just winging it?
01:00:29.000Well, I got this app coming out where it's going to be kind of similar to what WorldStar does, where users can upload their badass videos, right?
01:02:38.000It's crazy that you went from being a Navy SEAL to being a college student who's learning how to play cards.
01:02:42.000Well, you know, preparing or trying to attempt to be a Navy SEAL, going to college and learning how to play cards, to a guy who's got his own fucking jet.
01:03:13.000I've been doing some wake surfing, and we just went out to Lake Powell, and winter's coming up, doing some snowboarding trips, snowmobiling, and shit like that.
01:05:51.000I got this hip thing that's going on lately.
01:05:55.000It's not bad like I did kickboxing today and no problem and no pain while I'm working out But every now and then it like irritates me and instead of it like when I was young if I had something that irritated me I would say some fucking nothing I'll get over that But that's also why I developed a bunch of chronic injuries from jiu-jitsu because I would go and train even though I had something fucked up.
01:06:16.000It's also because jiu-jitsu is really fun, but I don't think like that anymore, man.
01:10:26.000He set up a dinner table underwater where he could, like, pretend like he was eating underwater, and then he did, like, a whole skit where he was, like, underwater doing all this stuff.
01:12:44.000I need surgery on my neck, and I've heard I need surgery on my shoulder.
01:12:48.000I avoided both of them, and I do everything now.
01:12:50.000But one of the things about shoulder injuries that I found from Steve Maxwell, he's a pretty famous strength and conditioning coach that's been on this podcast a bunch of times, is hanging.
01:12:59.000Hanging from chin-up bars, it's so important to do.
01:13:04.000It's so good for your shoulders to straighten out your shoulders.
01:13:11.000There's a whole video about it where this doctor, who was a shoulder surgery doctor, stopped doing shoulder surgery on most of his patients and started them on this hanging therapy.
01:13:31.000They grab ahold of things, and they swing, and it stretches out your arm, and you develop impingements from gravity, from a lack of use, or from too much use or overuse.
01:13:41.000And this guy has you hang from a chin-up bar, just holding on and hanging, and it stretches out your shoulder, and it alleviates pain in a giant percentage of people that have shoulder injuries.
01:13:54.000And I urge anybody who's listening to this that has any sort of shoulder weirdness or some shit that fucks with them to just try this.
01:14:14.000Shoulder pain hanging from bar and there's a lot of things that start popping up as you do that.
01:14:18.000Yeah, there's a gang of it, but it's super effective.
01:14:21.000It's super effective for a lot of people.
01:14:23.000I mean, if you have like significant tearing where you're going to need surgery, you have a failure of your joint or something like that, you know, that's one thing.
01:14:30.000But for a lot of people, this offers them a great deal of relief and it really helps me.
01:14:36.000It's one of the first things I do in the morning.
01:14:38.000I hang and then I do scapular raises for archery.
01:14:42.000You know, it's like I hang, I'll do like two Two minutes of hanging, and then once I've done two minutes, then I contract my scapula, and I hold that in place for as long as I can.
01:14:51.000So it's like my hands are given out, my forearms are given out, and then I force my scapula to carry all the weight.
01:15:48.000Daniel Cormier, they went into his own hip and pulled it out.
01:15:52.000But I've heard great results from a lot of different versions of stem cells.
01:15:56.000But I know for me personally, when they shot the stuff from placenta into my shoulder, it was like within a couple of weeks, it was better than it had been in a year.
01:16:34.000I mean, I basically, it was weird though.
01:16:37.000The first time I did it, it seemed like I had a lot more profound effect than the second.
01:16:41.000But the first time, so I went down to Mexico because you can't do it in the U.S. So I went down there, got like 90 million of the 19-year-old bone marrow that had been oxygen deprived, whatever, and they injected it in you.
01:16:57.000The next day I went to get some dental work done.
01:16:59.000I think I had a root canal or whatever it was.
01:17:01.000But they injected 25 vials of lidocaine or novocaine or whatever it is.
01:17:07.000And they said that my body was just cycling it through instantaneously.
01:20:00.000Yeah, but the second time I just fell, I just left, I actually went straight from Burning Man down there, and I only got 70, and I just, I don't know, I did a fast before.
01:20:14.000I kind of got sick and then I took some antibiotics.
01:20:19.000They say you're not supposed to take antibiotics.
01:20:58.000Stem cells were connected to fetal tissue, and there was this whole idea that people were going to get abortions on purpose just to get the fetal tissue.
01:21:10.000It probably wouldn't be a lot of people, but it'd be enough that it would be an issue with some folks.
01:21:14.000So because of that, all these European countries, especially Germany, got way ahead of the curve when it comes to stem cell research and applications in the medical industry.
01:21:24.000And, you know, what we're seeing now, you know, you obviously know Regenicine was invented in Germany.
01:22:58.000Because what I've been told is you cannot tell the difference between a regular...
01:23:02.000Like, a stem cell from you or a stem cell from me or whatever if it's been scrubbed and thinned your system.
01:23:06.000I mean, it's like they said to me a stem cell is a stem cell, but...
01:23:09.000Well, I pay very close attention to the latest cutting-edge research for doping because of the UFC and because I'm friends with Jeff Nowitzki, who's the guy who busted Lance Armstrong, who's, of course, the guy who works for the UFC now.
01:23:24.000And it's really fucking interesting how these people who are trying to get ahead are way ahead of the people that are trying to detect it.
01:23:34.000So like now they're developing testosterone from animals, which is interesting because you're seeing people that are taking testosterone, it's exogenous testosterone, but it used to be that they were getting it from wild yams.
01:23:46.000So what they would do is they do carbon isotope tests and they would be able to detect that the testosterone inside of your body is not from a biological, it's not from an animal.
01:23:56.000The testosterone is actually coming from a yam.
01:24:02.000But now they're figuring out a way to extract it from animals, at least theoretically.
01:24:07.000So Nowitzki says it hasn't been proven yet, but they're pretty sure.
01:24:11.000So what they're doing now is they're taking people's piss and blood, and then they freeze it, and they hold on to it for eight years.
01:24:18.000So the idea is that eight years from now, they're going to find out new detection methods, and they're using those at the Olympics now, which is why two Russian Olympic gold medalists in wrestling got their medals taken away from 2008. Oh, wow.
01:24:31.000Yeah, and they haven't even gone to 2012 yet.
01:24:34.000So there's 2012, 2016. I mean, these guys are going to get fucked over, for sure.
01:24:39.000But, you know, Russia has an extensive state-sponsored anti-doping agency.
01:25:00.000Because all the people that know, when one guy blew the whistle, one of the Russian anti-doping guys blew the whistle, apparently they just started icing these motherfuckers.
01:25:55.000This guy trained, like, I just don't understand how you could train all the time and look like, like, it's just like so crazy to me, right?
01:26:04.000Yeah, it's like, well, Roy, he wears it like a badge of courage, too.
01:26:08.000And I think Roy, if he just, if Roy got super disciplined and lost a ton of weight, he would be fighting at 185 pounds, and he'd be knocking motherfuckers to the moon.
01:27:25.000What's crazy is I knew Roy way back in the day, and Roy was known as being a really good grappler.
01:27:31.000He was a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu competitor.
01:27:33.000I knew him before he ever did MMA, and when he did MMA, my thought was, oh, well, you're going to see some high-level grappling from this guy.
01:27:45.000Well, the one time we really see his jiu-jitsu was in the Andrei Orlovsky fight, when he's fighting in Elite XC. Took Orlovsky down, had him inside control, but Elite XC was...
01:28:26.000They didn't really want to promote in a pure sense of the sport.
01:28:30.000So the whole thing was kind of fucked.
01:28:32.000I remember I saw Kimbo, I was down in Miami, and I saw one of his fights or whatever, and they had some alternate guy come in off the couch, and this guy had knocked him out in 10 seconds.
01:30:33.000Longtime cop, real martial artist, had a bunch of pro fights, and there was all these discrepancies about the rules because he's got them in a standing guillotine, and they're trying to break it up, and you've got to let go, and all this different shit.
01:33:13.000So, went, rode all day, and then that night, I don't know, I don't know if it was like a stomach flu or what, but I was just like puking, and I just like felt like shit, and I just like couldn't keep anything down.
01:33:24.000I remember I paid like the hotel guy like a hundred bucks to get me a bunch of Gatorade because I couldn't even like leave my room.
01:33:30.000So, next day, I go to the airport, and I knew that if I got an IV, I would feel better, because I've had some...
01:33:35.000When you get dehydrated, that's usually the root of most of your problems.
01:33:39.000So, I just ended up buying an IV from this medic, because the guy's like, well, if I hook this up to you, you're not going to be able to fly.
01:33:45.000And I was like, dude, I gave him a bunch of bullshit.
01:36:29.000I'm like, hey, I need a Viagra or some kind of dick pill or something.
01:36:32.000And I'd never taken Viagra, so I didn't really know the dosing or whatever.
01:36:35.000So he gives me the 100 milligram one, which is like for fucking, if you don't know anything about Viagra, that's for like geriatrics, right?
01:37:51.000And after, like, fuck, man, I think it was, like, 50 minutes, I just, like, I just, like, quit.
01:37:55.000Like, I was just, like, I just, you know, I just knew there was just zero chance of me coming, and I'd, like, punish this chick enough, and I'm just, like, I didn't, like, I was just tired.
01:38:03.000I went in the bathroom, took a cold shower.
01:40:17.000Yeah, and the spookiest thing about the whole deal was my grandfather had the same doctor in the same motherfucking hospital exactly one year prior and died.
01:40:27.000So I'm just like, you know, this is not looking good for the home team.
01:40:30.000This is before he killed Michael Jackson's ass, too, right?
01:40:55.000And my ex-girlfriend's there, my mom's there, my dad's there, and I'm just, like, started off with, like, oh, well, you know, I was, like, smoking some pot, and he's like, well, you know, like, you better tell us, like, what you've been doing.
01:43:52.000I was like, I thought this guy would have like some like miracle formula, right?
01:43:54.000I was like ready to get all hooked up.
01:43:56.000But I actually had like a super high hemocrit count.
01:44:00.000And he was actually the one that told me, he's like, I think sleep apnea makes it so that you have a really, that you can have a really high red blood cell count.
01:44:06.000So I actually have like the equivalent of like the guys that are doing the EPO and doping.
01:44:41.000A surprising link between sleep apnea and red blood cell count.
01:44:44.000According to Sleep Review Magazine, elevated red blood cell count or a high hematocrit is an indicator of a lack of oxygen in a person's body.
01:46:38.000So it sent me into the fucking highway.
01:46:40.000And I'm getting passed by tractor trailers at like 70, 80, 90 miles an hour.
01:46:44.000Which, if you think about it, if you're in a car and it weighs 5,000 pounds and it can pull a car, imagine what it does to a guy on a bike that weighs 200 pounds plus fucking 10 bike pounds.
01:47:31.000Well, he ended up buying out because he realized that my brother was just such a stubborn asshole that he wasn't going to talk for three days.
01:47:59.000So, you know, your word has to be good, which is kind of like, you know, one of my things, which, you know, irritates me, like, when people say that I'm not authentic, because I take, like, great pride in, like, you know, being fucking 100% honest about everything, you know, so...
01:48:12.000And that's been, like, drilled in through 13, 14 years of gambling.
01:48:15.000That's a big one, though, if you're married, because your wife would be like, listen, it's me.
01:49:02.000Anyway, so he ended up betting—I'll think of some other ones later—but he ended up wanting to bet Rick Solomon that he couldn't ride from L.A. to Vegas or Vegas to L.A. or whatever on a bicycle in 48 hours.
01:49:18.000And Rick, like, called one of his buddies that has, like, set some Guinness Book of World Records things and asked him, and the guy's like, look, like, it's not gonna fucking happen, buddy.
01:49:27.000And so Rick ended up turning down the bet, and it was just, like, really intriguing to me because I'm always up for physical tasks, you know?
01:49:34.000Like, during, you know, Hell Week, you stay up for, it's five and a half days with no sleep, and you run 144 miles, like, boats and telephone poles, and you get hypothermia, and you're doing all this, like, crazy shit.
01:49:46.000I don't sleep for five and a half days and you're just going the entire time, right?
01:49:49.000So I've put myself through some real serious physical tests and one of the things that you learn there is that your body's just capable of way more than what you think or anybody else thinks it's capable of doing.
01:50:06.000But one other thing that you learn in gambling is that there's certain things that sound like a good bet that just aren't.
01:50:13.000Like drinking a gallon of milk in an hour.
01:51:56.000Yeah, you gotta be pretty hard up for pussy to risk killing a girl, the fucker, but I don't know.
01:52:00.000Have you ever seen, speaking of the throwing up from drinking too much milk, did you ever see the Opie and Anthony sketch with the baby bird?
01:53:38.000I mean, obviously, he's a giant dude, and he was on, like, number, like, 72. And this other kid, Pat Duffy, sitting there with his head leaning.
01:53:48.000He's sitting in a chair, leaning back with his head over...
01:55:26.000I'm remembering, I don't think it was on, it might have been on one of the Jackass movies or the TV show, Bam's Uncle, his crazy uncle, drank like 70 shots of peach schnapps.
01:55:51.000There was a woman in San Jose or Sacramento, one of those places, where she was doing a radio contest and it was like, how much water can you drink?
01:58:40.000And he's like, how much do you want to bet?
01:58:42.000I was like, ah, it was like 600 grand.
01:58:43.000Because I wanted to bet enough to where I would do it, but I didn't want to bet too much to where I'd not only fucking break my ass, but just lose its shitloads.
01:58:52.000I was like, 600 seemed like it was a good number.
01:58:55.000So we made the bet, and I started doing some research.
02:00:27.000And then I talked to you, and I talked to Lance, and Lance's like, oh, if you use a fucking, any other bike other than a road bike, like, I'm not fucking, you know, I can't have anything to do with this.
02:01:55.000And I was like, I'll give you, I think it was like 10 to 1 or 21. I think it was like, I gave him like, fuck, I think I initially offered him like 20 to 1 odds and then we settled it like, I don't know.
02:02:06.000It ended up being where he would lose $250,000 and I would give him like my plane plus my pilots for, you know, he got my plane and then I'd pay the pilots for a year.
02:03:52.000So I just remember, because he was giving me some shit about, because I was allowed to draft, but he was saying that the van that I had had the doors open.
02:04:00.000Because you had to leave the doors open, because I wanted to talk to my coach, and they were filming it and stuff, so we had the doors open.
02:04:08.000Rick was bitching about that, which was kind of stupid for Rick to bitch about, because that was, like, what made it the least safe of all, was, you know, drafting off a car, because you've got to be, like, six inches from this car, and you can't see, like, shit in the road.
02:04:23.000So if they have to slam on the brakes, you're fucked.
02:06:00.000And on the downhill, I didn't need it because you're going so fucking fast that you don't really want to be going more than 30-40 miles an hour on downhills because if you hit shit in the road and you crash, you're fucked.
02:06:13.000If I crash, I couldn't finish the thing.
02:06:16.000So there's that, and there's shit on the road.
02:10:18.000I mean, just trying to pick up on tells.
02:10:20.000There's just so many things that go into it that you're so focused, and it's so much money, and any little mistake that you make is going to cost you millions of dollars.
02:10:41.000I took Adderall and it really fucked me up because I just like tried to win every hand and it made me like too aggressive and I just like just fucking plane crashed into the mountain.
02:11:01.000And then sometimes I'm taking Valium just to fucking relax, you know, because I'm just strung out, but then that makes you kind of not give a fuck, and so you do stupid shit.
02:11:10.000Yeah, you just almost got to be sober.
02:11:15.000I never tried them either, but I saw this thing on concert performers, like Penis, or it was actually...
02:11:23.000Some people that play in an orchestra, they were talking about, they took beta blockers and it made a massive impact because they were super nervous about performing.
02:11:47.000I just don't know how long it lasts, because like I said, you're talking about 18-hour sessions, and also you don't want anything to fuck with your mental acuity.
02:12:32.000Yeah, so you're going click, click, click, click, all between all of them.
02:12:35.000And sometimes you have multiple monitors set up.
02:12:38.000And so basically, in that period, if you extrapolate that out, you're seeing 10,000 hands, right, in that 10 hours of sessions because 100 hands an hour.
02:12:53.000So if you play in a casino, you're seeing about 20 hands an hour.
02:12:58.000And you're obviously only playing one table.
02:13:00.000So that translates to 200 hands for that day.
02:13:04.000So of one day playing online, I've seen 10,000 hands.
02:13:08.000One day playing live, I've seen 200. So you can imagine, one day playing online, I've seen more hands than a guy that's played in a casino for his entire life.
02:14:34.000How many hands each person plays pre-flop?
02:14:37.000What percentage of the time they bet the flop?
02:14:40.000What percentage of the time they bluff?
02:14:42.000And they can just figure that out based on how often they're going to have a hand and how often they bluff.
02:14:47.000So it'll actually give you their bluff percentages on each street, on the flop to turn the river, and it'll tell you how many times they're just calling bad.
02:14:57.000It's almost more turned into a mathematical computer game, whereas I like the more pure form of just like, I'm looking the guy in the fucking eye and just trying to figure out what he's got.
02:15:45.000You know, I like to just, you know, play live, and I like to talk to people, and I like to, you know, have that human interaction.
02:15:52.000There's a lot of these guys that are really good behind a computer, but you put them in front of another guy, you can't look a man in the eye and just fucking, you know, bluff.
02:15:59.000So online, they can click that button and say all in and do these crazy bluffs, but, you know, they just physically can't, like, push those chips in and keep a straight face on a table.
02:16:31.000It's more just like understanding the person.
02:16:33.000It's like you figure out what kind of job this guy does, like how much money he makes a year, like how much this money means to him, how much he cares about the money, how much he wants to gamble, how much he's playing for fun, how much he wants to win.
02:16:44.000Some of these guys, they actually want to lose.
02:16:48.000They'll go in there and some of them, I'll see them and they'll want to lose because they'll want everybody at the table to like them and that's kind of like...
02:16:55.000You know, the path of least resistance.
02:17:01.000Like, how do you detect that a guy wants to lose?
02:17:02.000He'll be, you know, he'll be just like wanting to be friends with everybody and he'll do shit to show off or to like, you know, make, because I mean, look, at the end of the day, like people want people to play bad, right?
02:17:11.000Like you want a player to play like shit.
02:17:13.000You want a player to give his money away.
02:17:14.000You want a player to, you know, do crazy stuff.
02:17:17.000So these guys will, you know, they'll put on a show for people that want to be the popular guy.
02:17:21.000Maybe they weren't cool in high school.
02:17:25.000Maybe they feel like they don't deserve the money.
02:17:27.000I've played with a lot of guys that, you know, some of them ended up in jail, some of them were fraud, some of them were cheat.
02:17:31.000Some of these guys, you know, they have a bunch of money and they feel like they don't deserve it subconsciously, so they just want to give it away.
02:17:49.000In gambling, you can just keep going up, but you can't really go down.
02:17:53.000It's like, for instance, if you go and you play blackjack and you bet, whatever, arbitrary numbers, $500 a hand, right?
02:18:00.000And you're playing $500 a hand, and your level of excitement when you win is at a seven, and you keep playing and whatever, and then now you go and play $1,000 a hand.
02:18:09.000And you've been winning a little bit, or you've been losing or whatever, and Now, if you try and go back to $500 or $250, if you're losing, it's a mental fuck because it's really hard to get even betting smaller.
02:18:23.000And if you've been winning, you don't really care about the small money, right?
02:18:36.000Professional poker players have, it's called bankroll management, where they keep going up and up and up, and then when they start losing, they are completely unable to drop down in stakes and then play good.
02:18:48.000If they lost, let's say, $100,000, just to use round numbers, at this game, then for them to go to play a game that's half that size and try and win that $100,000 back, it's going to take them twice as much time.
02:20:14.000You know of the way I lost it or if I played shitty or if I lost it to a guy I didn't like or it was just like I lost, lost, lost, lost and just like a steady progression of losses or if I was up a ton of money and then like let's say I was up a million dollars and ended up losing 20,000 like I'd be fucking miserable even though I only lost 20 grand but let's say I was down a million dollars and I ended up losing 20,000 I'd be ecstatic Now look at the end result.
02:20:42.000One night I won 20 grand and I was miserable and the other night I lost 20 grand and I was happy.
02:21:13.000There's also something you were just talking about that I think is really interesting, because it kind of parallels martial arts and fighting in a lot of ways, is that you don't want to lose to someone that you hate.
02:21:23.000Yeah, and that's a big factor in fighting.
02:21:25.000That's why Conor McGregor does so well, is that he fucks with your head so bad that the amount of pressure that's on you is so exacerbated when you actually get into the cage with him.
02:21:34.000Like, even guys like Jose Aldo, who's this seasoned world champion who never lost in the UFC. How did that happen?
02:21:47.000He's got skill, and he's really good at handling pressure, and he's the mindfuck master.
02:21:53.000But you see it with guys, when guys get in these emotional situations with fighters, and then you see when they fight with someone who respects them, and they shake hands, the weigh-ins, and they can fight up to their full potential.
02:22:03.000That is a big factor, I guess, in poker as well.
02:22:09.000I mean, I've seen tons of times when somebody really hates another player and in fact has just played far worse against that guy and given that guy so much money because they kept going after him.
02:22:27.000I'm not going to let this guy bluff me.
02:22:29.000And then they ended up just like paying him off and paying him off and paying him off.
02:22:32.000I actually found that in poker because there was times when I would befriend really bad players and then that player would not play hard against me, you know, because of that.
02:22:42.000And it actually ended up like costing me a bunch of money.
02:22:44.000And then there was other times when I would just like talk shit to a bad player and they would really come after me and then I'm just smoking them.
02:22:51.000You know, so it's kind of like, it's tough because usually the bad players are the coolest guys because they're just like the rich guys that are having fun and they got a good attitude and this and that.
02:23:00.000But sometimes, you know, like you got to fuck with them a little bit, you know, because otherwise you're not going to be able to gamble with them really, you know?
02:23:07.000So you want that like, you want that kind of like...
02:23:11.000Optimally, you want that competitive but semi-friendly relationship.
02:23:15.000Because you don't want them to just totally hate you because then they're just like, fuck this motherfucker, I'm not playing if he's there.
02:23:20.000And then you're kind of like out of the game because he's the big sucker and he can call the shots.
02:23:24.000It just seems like such a psychological management thing with poker players.
02:23:35.000But I feel like for a lot of people, they look at it and they're just like, oh, he gambles for a living like he got lucky or he's just good with numbers.
02:23:42.000They break it down so simplistically that they don't realize how difficult it is.
02:23:47.000But isn't that the case with everything?
02:23:49.000I've heard people say that about NASCAR. Like, oh, they just turned left.
02:24:07.000The parallel there is that you can go into work, you can fucking do a good job, bust your ass, do everything right, and then just get fucked because of bad luck.
02:24:16.000That can't happen to a doctor, really.
02:24:19.000That can't happen with most professions.
02:24:21.000Even in fighting, even the loser gets paid.
02:24:24.000You don't go into a fight and lose money if you lose.
02:24:27.000Poker and the stock market are some of the few things that it's kind of hard to really have that good bankroll management because you can go and do everything right, bust your ass, and work for an entire month and lose money.
02:24:39.000But that is where the thrill lies to the common man.
02:24:43.000The average person that plays it safe and takes it easy and gets his 401k and doesn't do anything risky, that's where the thrill lies in that lifestyle.
02:24:52.000Talking to you and hearing you talk about this shit, that's where people, they're getting their palms sweaty right now and they're driving to work and they're listening to this and thinking, could I do that?
02:25:07.000It's one of the hardest things I've done and I've done a lot of hard things just because for me doing doing physically hard things actually isn't like as challenging as mentally tough things if that makes any sense because the physically tough stuff you just kind of like just fucking bite your tongue and grit and fucking take the pain and just power through.
02:25:31.000Well that's got to be one of the benefits of going through BUDS twice.
02:25:35.000Yeah, I mean, it puts it in perspective.
02:25:38.000Yeah, I mean, just you know, you've been through way more of a hellacious physical test than most people could ever endure.
02:25:45.000I mean, I think a lot of it comes down to, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, like, you know, you must be a super tough motherfucker and all this other shit.
02:25:53.000And I think it comes down more to just like how bad you want it.
02:25:57.000Like in life, like if you just want something so fucking bad, like I just remembered like when I was doing the 50 meter underwater swim, it was really hard for me.
02:26:37.000I just remember he showed up and he had like a hot chick or two hot chicks and he had a sports car and everybody was just like, fuck, this dude's a stud, you know what I mean?
02:26:46.000And then he showed up at Buds and ended up quitting straight away.
02:26:50.000But it didn't surprise me, because I'm like thinking, you know, If I don't make it, I'm going to ship and I'm going to be fucking miserable.
02:27:11.000Like, because you look at, like, you know, what your alternatives are, you know?
02:27:15.000Like, you know, if you put a fucking guy up against the wall and he's got no choice, then he's just gonna, like, do what he's gotta do.
02:27:22.000Like, for instance, if I told you you had to go crawl, you know, 50 miles or I'm gonna fucking put a bullet in your head, like, you're probably gonna go crawl that 50 miles, but if I told you, hey, like...
02:27:34.000I'm going to give you $500,000 if you can go crawl these 50 miles, but you got money and you don't really need it.
02:27:41.000You're probably not going to crawl 50 miles.
02:28:07.000Do you want that more than anything that you can imagine?
02:28:10.000It's not like, well, fighting doesn't work out, I'm going to be an author.
02:28:13.000Because if that's the case, and you want to do it for the experience, that's cool.
02:28:17.000But if you actually think you're going to be a champion, if you have all these other escape routes, it's not going to happen.
02:28:22.000That's why I actually think it's harder for guys like Conor McGregor or guys like Mayweather because now they have money and they have that lifestyle.
02:28:29.000I actually thought Ronda was going to get fucked up just because she was going to Hollywood.
02:28:35.000Don't get me wrong, she's tough, she's fucking great, whatever.
02:28:37.000But she was doing the movies and she's doing this.
02:28:42.000I know that lifestyle, and I know the addictiveness of the money and the fame and all that other stuff, and now it's like these people that have been fucking living in a one-bedroom apartment are now introduced to all this money and all this fame and people, and it's so distracting as opposed to the guy that's fucking waking up every day and going to the gym and fucking busting his ass and just trying to make ends meet,
02:29:03.000and that's all he's got, and he's got nowhere else to go, like you said.
02:29:07.000And for that guy, I feel like it's far easier to stay the course.
02:29:11.000For a guy like Conor McGregor, now he's got all this money and this and that, he doesn't have to fight anymore.
02:29:20.000If he wants to continue his lifestyle, he does, right?
02:29:22.000Now he's upped his expenses and his image and all this stuff, and he's used to all this stuff, so now he has to make X to maintain his current situation.
02:29:30.000So he's got a little bit of pressure on him in that sense.
02:29:48.000It's like you look at all these other guys that are nipping at your heels and you decide, no motherfuckers, I am the man at the top of the mountain and I'm going to stay at the top of the mountain as long as my body hangs in there.
02:29:57.000But again, it's like that has to be something that you want to do.
02:31:08.000I think in anything in life, but especially in risky things, whether it's playing poker or fighting or anything along those lines, something that's really difficult to do, there's this weird balancing act, and you have to achieve this perfect balance of motivation, reward,
02:31:24.000intensity, focus, discipline, but still pleasure.
02:33:11.000So it's kind of like when people ask why rich people aren't as happy, and I just think it's because they've upped the bar so far that only the best things satisfy them.
02:33:24.000Like a guy off the street, when I got out of boot camp, I'll use that as an example, I go to Outback Steakhouse, I'm in a tent.
02:34:02.000And also, if you gave me, like, a regular car or put me in a regular hotel, I would actually be at, like, below the normal level, whereas a normal person would be, like, happy to be on a vacation.
02:35:08.000You know, and trying to find something to fill that void because you've sort of set your life up to chase these material goals instead of to try to find out what actually does make you happy.
02:35:20.000Yeah, you have to have goals and you have to have stuff that, like, you know, you got to be climbing the mountain because at the end of the day, like, climbing the mountain is far more satisfying than being at the top of the mountain, you know?
02:35:31.000That's, like, not what we've ever been taught.
02:35:32.000Well, it's counterintuitive because most people don't, like, get, they just know that, like, okay, like, you know, my dad told me, like, it's better to give than receive, and I was like, okay, that's perfect, motherfucker.
02:35:42.000You can just give me shit and I'll receive it and I'll be happy, like, you know what I'm saying?
02:36:12.000That made me happy, but it's temporary.
02:36:14.000That's kind of where I differentiate the happiness and the pleasure.
02:36:18.000You can buy the pleasure, but the pleasure is somewhat short-lived.
02:36:21.000Yeah, I had a conversation with someone about this recently where I was saying that material possessions, once you have enough money to acquire basically everything you want, they don't mean anything anymore.
02:36:42.000But if that was all you had and you had to save and scrape up your money to get that escalated and you kept it clean, then it got hit by a meteor, you'd be devastated.
02:36:50.000Once you have achieved this level of success where material possessions don't mean anything anymore, then you can kind of like say, okay, well, what do I enjoy?
02:37:02.000Like, what is it that I'm actually chasing?
02:37:04.000Because I remember talking to this Buddhist monk.
02:37:06.000I did this thing once where I went to all these different religions.
02:37:10.000It was for this TV show, and I interviewed all these different people and asked them, like, what is it about your religion that's the best?
02:37:17.000Like, say if I was going to join your religion, try to sell me your religion.
02:37:54.000But what if you had unlimited resources?
02:37:55.000If you were Richard Branson or someone like you or whatever, it's not an issue.
02:38:01.000Then those material possessions no longer possess you.
02:38:05.000But this guy didn't want to look at it that way.
02:38:06.000He didn't want to think that was ever possibly an option.
02:38:09.000I'm like, well, it's not an option because you don't think it's possible to achieve that level of material possession or that material success.
02:38:19.000You have to get to that place to understand it.
02:38:22.000But try telling that to anybody who's listening to this.
02:38:25.00099.9% of people listening to this are never going to make a fraction of the amount of money that you've earned.
02:38:31.000Yeah, but, you know, in some ways that is a blessing because they're going to have a lifetime of being able to buy that pleasure, too, because of that, you know, because if you start here on this lower rung, then all those little purchases and stuff like that,
02:38:46.000you're still like, you're kind of climbing.
02:39:03.000That little shit, if it makes them happy, then that's okay.
02:39:07.000But to the people listening to this right now, they're thinking, okay, well, you're equating material possessions and the acquisition of these material possessions as being the thing that makes people happy.
02:39:15.000Now, is this because you've got 15 bitches and you're flying around on private jets and yachts and you're lacking real depth to you?
02:40:16.000I think a lot of successful people have it, and I think what it allows you to do is when you are focused on something and when you have that pinpoint focus, you can be extremely successful, but when you don't, you're just scattered all over the fucking map and you can't.
02:40:30.000I think a lot of kids have it nowadays because of the stimulus.
02:40:36.000I think you have so much stimulus at your fingertips nowadays that these kids, if they're not...
02:40:42.000I guess what I'm trying to say is that people are just overstimulated.
02:40:45.000And because they have it at their fingertips all the time...
02:40:49.000When I was a kid, we used to just have to entertain ourselves.
02:40:52.000We used to just go out and play and just figure out shit to do.
02:40:56.000And so we didn't need massive amounts of stimulus.
02:40:59.000Nowadays, if kids don't have a fucking video game and a movie playing at the same time, they're bored and three other friends to talk to.
02:41:06.000Well, they're hanging out and they're constantly checking their phone.
02:41:08.000They're not even looking at each other.
02:41:59.000We're definitely missing something by all this electronic...
02:42:02.000Shit, but it's also like a new style of living and I'm sure humans will adjust eventually.
02:42:07.000We'll figure out how to manage it or change accordingly.
02:42:11.000The one positive thing I think is just that you You're so connected.
02:42:16.000You know, everybody, I feel like everybody's more connected now.
02:42:20.000Like back, you know, when we were kids, like, you know, a guy in Idaho is never going to fucking, you know, feel any connection whatsoever with somebody that's, you know, in California.
02:42:27.000But now, like, that guy can upload a YouTube video and everybody around the world can see it.
02:42:32.000And people are just, you know, dating-wise, social media-wise, like whatever, they're just, there is more connection.
02:42:38.000I mean, I feel like it's not quite as real and it's not as tangible, but...
02:42:43.000And people, I think, are also losing their ability to kind of, like, interact.
02:42:50.000Like, my older friends, like, we'll sit around, we'll tell stories, and it's like, we'll have fun.
02:42:54.000And it's like, the younger generation, when you watch them interact, it's almost, like, comical.
02:42:59.000It's like, these people, like, socially awkward.
02:43:01.000Like, they don't, like, people don't know how to, like, approach girls anymore.
02:43:04.000It's just like, and the whole thing's been, like, reduced to, like, online dating.
02:43:13.000It is a new world, but what I found really fascinating is that, because I travel a lot doing stand-up, is that there's no dumb places anymore.
02:43:21.000Like, you can go to, you know, fill in the blanks, some place in the middle of the Midwest, Boise, Idaho, or whatever, and you'll do a show there, and the fucking people are on the ball.
02:43:34.000When I used to travel on the road in the 90s, when I used to do stand-up in the 90s, and you know, flying to Ohio or, sorry Jamie, flying to some place in the middle of the country, those fucking people were apes.
02:43:46.000They were like, what's it like to be on an airplane?
02:43:49.000I mean, They fucking didn't know anything.
02:43:51.000But now, it's like you run into the same kind of people in LA that you can run into in, you know, fill in the blank, you know, Phoenix or wherever the fuck it is.
02:44:53.000I think it's going to be, when history is all said and done, when people look back in this era, it's going to be one of the biggest changes in the human race ever.
02:45:42.000Before we did the podcast, we started talking about psychedelics, and you started talking about some psychedelic experiences that you had, and I said, like, save it.
02:45:55.000I mean, you actually are the one that turned me on to it, the DMT. The first time I tried it, I was at Burning Man, and I smoked a small amount of it.
02:47:27.000I had a couple, so the first time I did mushrooms, I think I was in high school, and I just never forget because it was like 1.30 in the morning or whatever, and I just wanted to call all my friends and tell them how great it was and have a conversation.
02:47:38.000I remember them picking up the phone like, dude, it's 1.30, fuck off, you know?
02:47:42.000But I was just like, I wanted to talk to everybody.
02:47:51.000And it was funny because I actually did it four times.
02:47:54.000The third time I did it, we were in Amsterdam and we were walking down this long alleyway and we were probably about 75 yards down the alleyway and a buddy of mine was like, oh, give me a second.
02:48:09.000And we kept walking and we turned around about five seconds later, ten seconds later and he was gone.
02:48:17.000And it was probably like a 200-yard alleyway.
02:48:19.000I mean, this guy was fucking Ben Johnson.
02:49:10.000And so there's this long alleyway, right?
02:49:13.000And this motherfucker chose the one spot to piss where apparently there was like a secret door that opened inward into the police station and there was a camera facing down on it.
02:49:23.000And he was pissing on the door of the police station.
02:49:26.000They grabbed him mid-piss, his dick still out, yanked him into the fucking police station and threw him in jail.
02:49:47.000So we ended up paying these people, and then like, I forget, we had to pay them a lot because I was in college, and I remember it was like a significant amount of money for us.
02:49:55.000But we bailed them out, and then I ended up, I remember I offered like the chick at the counter, I was like, I'll give you a hundred bucks if you'll mail this to his parents, or the video of him pissing and getting arrested if you mailed it to his parents.
02:51:08.000It was the craziest fucking experience ever.
02:51:11.000I didn't even really enjoy it that much.
02:51:13.000But I just remember at the end of it, I was like, wow, you had this opportunity where you were not consumed with wanting to have sex and you completely fucking ruined it for no reason.
02:51:36.000And we were laying down in the grass, just laughing and giggling.
02:51:40.000And I don't know if you've ever been lying down looking up at a mountain range and you see the sky and the clouds go overhead.
02:51:50.000It was the first time, I think, in my life That I... Really took in the concept of an atmosphere, of the shape of the Earth being round, and that behind that atmosphere, I'm looking up at this blue sky,
02:52:06.000it's beautiful, but I didn't see the blue sky anymore.
02:52:08.000I saw it, I knew it was there, but I realized that it's just this layer, and then beyond that is the vast infinity of space.
02:52:17.000And I remember looking at it and thinking for the first time, because of this hill, I could see, I'm like, oh my god, we're like in a convertible spaceship.
02:52:45.000And it fucking stuck in my head, that idea, like for the very first time.
02:52:50.000And it's something about being below a mountain and lying down and looking up and seeing the mountain and seeing the air and seeing the clouds go, where it just set into my mind like, whoa, that's an atmosphere.
02:53:04.000From that moment on, I can look up at a mountain now, and I get this weird, almost half-trippy feeling.
02:53:12.000That's one thing that I've heard, actually, about a lot of psychedelics, is that...
02:53:17.000It doesn't rewire you, but it just makes you think about certain things differently.
02:53:23.000And I think they explained that there's some chemical thing where it almost resets you to where you can have a new perspective on certain things.
02:53:32.000That's one of the things that I rigged.
02:53:33.000I was considering doing acid at Burning Man this last year.
02:53:37.000Because I've heard from a lot of people that it's a more clean form of the mushrooms, and they kind of got more out of it.
02:53:45.000And I had 10 people tell me that it was the best experience of their life.
02:53:49.000And so that's a pretty strong statement, to have 10 people tell you that.
02:53:53.000Yeah, I did it this year for the first time.
02:54:01.000They all have their own little thing that goes on with them.
02:54:03.000But the changing of perspective is really beneficial to people that have addictions.
02:54:09.000Like, apparently, people that smoke cigarettes, they'll have a powerful mushroom trip, and they don't have any desire to smoke cigarettes anymore.
02:55:16.000There was this super hot chick that was at the party and I really wanted to fuck her, but I was like, I'll see if she can get her to fuck him.
02:55:23.000And I paid her a fucking ton of money, which is kind of fucked up.
02:56:56.000He goes, I'm fucking partying here with you.
02:56:58.000I fucked a super hot chick last night.
02:57:00.000And then I remembered, I was like, oh, that's good.
02:57:03.000It was just like funny though, because...
02:57:06.000Like, his whole thought process about it was so great.
02:57:09.000And I could just see how another guy, if that happened to him, could easily, like, get into, like, the woe is me and the whole, like, you know, fuck this.
02:58:19.000And the point of it is that you never really know if something is bad or good because you don't know how that's going to affect the rest of your life.
02:58:29.000Like back, you know, when I, you know, fuck, I'm two days before graduating SEAL training.
02:58:56.000If I would have became a Navy SEAL then that might have just been like what I hung my hat on you know and I was just like for the rest of my life I didn't feel like I really needed to fucking prove anything or excel or do anything because I've done this thing that everybody views as great and I don't know if I would have been as motivated.
02:59:13.000And so there's just a lot of things like that in your life that in the short term you look at them as being extreme negatives or something that you even view as positive.
02:59:23.000It's just hard to say until it's kind of like run its course and you see what effects that has later on down the line.
02:59:31.000We're going to end it with some deep shit, Dan Bilzerian.
02:59:33.000I knew I'd get some deep shit out of you.