In this episode, the boys talk about the age old question of whether or not you should be allowed to vote if you're 16 years old, and why it's a good idea that 16 year olds should be able to vote in the presidential election. Also, the guys talk about how to deal with a baby with a boner and why you should never let a baby vote if they're under 21. Also, they talk about what it means to be a grown-up baby and how you become a real adult when you have other people that rely on you and where other people's happiness to some degree is more important than your own. And, of course, there's a special guest appearance from comedian Joe Pesci, who talks about how he's a grown up baby and what it's like being a silly goose and how it's not as bad as you think it is. The boys also talk about why you shouldn't have to be 21 before you can vote and if you should have a driver's license before you're old enough to legally drink. Enjoy! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD, tyops and tyops. Art by Jeff Kaale. Thank you to our sponsor, Zapsplat, for producing this episode of the podcast. Please rate, review, and subscribe to the podcast and tell us what you think of it! Please remember to tell a friend about it on Apple Podcasts! and we'll be looking out for it in the next week. Thank you so we can be sure to send us your thoughts on the next episode of Thick & Thin, and we can have a shoutout on the podcast next week! . . . and also, we'll get a shout-out on Anchor. and a new episode next week of Thick and Thin, too! Timestamps: 8:30 - 8:00 - 9:00 | 8:20 - What do you like it? 11:15 - How do you think you're a grownup baby? 13:00 15:00 // 16: What's a baby's job? 16:30 17:40 - What s a baby should vote? 18:00/16:00 / 17:30 / 18:40 21:40 / 21:30/20: What is a baby s role model?
00:00:18.000He's voting for Jill Stein because she, like Brian, wants 16-year-olds to be able to vote for We both think it's super rational and a great idea.
00:00:26.000Because no one better to decide the future of the world than a hormonally flooded baby.
00:00:37.000What do you think about 18 year olds drinking instead of 21?
00:00:40.000I don't think there's anything wrong with someone who is supervised, who is 18, who is sort of mentored into having a couple of drinks with an intelligent and very disciplined parental figure.
00:00:58.000Like someone who's a smart dad or a smart mom who says, I don't want you to be...
00:01:04.000I don't want this to be something that's so out of reach that you wind up doing it and getting obsessed with it because it's the forbidden thing and it becomes a big deal.
00:02:47.000But everybody is until you have so much responsibility that you're beaten down and it's no fun anymore.
00:02:52.000I think I have figured out the delineation there.
00:02:55.000It's fun to be a mature, and we are, and to be silly geese, but I think the difference is you become a real adult and you become mature when you have other people that rely on you and where other people's happiness to some degree is more important than your own.
00:03:30.000It's really tough to be a silly goose if you're behind your taxes, or if you have massive credit card debt that you're ignoring, or there's these stacking stress Things, these events, these factors in your life that can really get involved in your happiness and your silliness.
00:03:48.000So as long as, you know, your ducks are in a row, then you can kind of laugh a little bit.
00:03:53.000Well, we've taken for granted the fact that we have...
00:03:57.000We figured out a way to preserve our biology in most countries in terms of, like, we have life-saving medications or sort of preventions for keeping us from things like malaria and diphtheria and all those things that used to really...
00:04:11.000Because they always talk about when you go into a country and you want to get that country on its feet and you want to help develop that country...
00:04:18.000The first thing you have to make sure of is that people aren't suffering from chronic illnesses, parasites, diseases that just make them feel shitty.
00:04:49.000Hookworm gets in your, enters through your feet, because kids, people always use the, they wouldn't use outhouses, they'd use the great outdoors, and then you'd walk around on your bare feet.
00:04:58.000So what hookworm does is it gets into your, I guess it goes through your feet, and then it causes you to become anemic, because it latches on to, I don't know, it has some mechanism where it latches on to the intestine or something.
00:05:12.000Either way, Huge portions of the South after the Civil War were anemic.
00:06:06.000One of my most vivid memories was my sister screaming and crying, and I run in, and there's a giant pink worm coming right out of her Four-year-old ass or whatever it was.
00:07:04.000If you want to look up something, look up this video that Red Band was showing me the other night at the Comedy Store about some guy who had an insane amount of worms removed from his gut.
00:07:12.000He went to the doctor and was complaining of stomach pain and all these issues.
00:08:53.000And just because you get sick because you get worms and then the worms have food to eat because you eat a certain diet, doesn't mean you shouldn't eat that certain diet.
00:09:02.000You still have a fucking worm living in you, buddy.
00:09:53.000However, there's also the fact that you irrigated and grew your vegetables in human shit and animal shit as part of the fertilizer.
00:10:04.000When that fertilizer got on a piece of lettuce or something that was raw or got on your hands and you ingested, that's how you get things like hepatitis A. That's how you get other parasites.
00:10:17.000Yeah, that's apparently the biggest form of E. coli poisoning is from salads.
00:11:28.000So they filled that fucking place up with water, and there was tilapia in there, and people would boat, and all the hip people from the 1950s, they would go to fucking party at the Salton Sea.
00:12:13.000Yeah, Sonny Bono, before he died, before he went skiing and whacked into a tree, his goal was to find some sort of a desalination and filtration method for taking all the runoff and all the pesticides and bullshit out of the salt and sea.
00:12:58.000Yeah, I can't remember the reason, but it had something to do with irrigation and farming, I think, and maybe I'm wrong.
00:13:06.000When I was in Seattle a couple months ago, I talked to this gentleman who runs, there's this salmon thing down there where you can go underneath one of the bridges and actually see the ladders where the salmon pass through, and you can see the salmon swimming up the river.
00:14:00.000Just millions of salmon just piled up and took the path they always take and just died and rotted.
00:14:05.000I don't know why I just had this image of...
00:14:08.000When you were talking about all those salmon that died, but they're swimming in one direction, I had this image of all the actors that come to Los Angeles over the years.
00:14:17.000I would always feel that way sometimes.
00:14:19.000I remember driving in traffic to an audition or something, and I would always get this image of being a salmon swimming upriver.
00:14:28.000And more importantly, I wasn't really sure...
00:15:41.000I met him when I did the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show, and we were talking about chemtrails, which he has worked really hard to try to explain to people that are ultra-paranoid.
00:15:53.000He calls them the training wheels of conspiracy theories.
00:15:58.000What he had to say and what I saw from the people that believe in him, it's pretty obvious what's going on.
00:16:04.000And the problem with everybody freaking out about these fucking artificial clouds that are made naturally by jets as they pass through the air with the moisture in the air, the problem with them freaking out about that kind of stuff is the government does do shady shit sometimes.
00:16:14.000But you've got to be able to differentiate between when it's actually doing shady shit and when it's just a chemical reaction or just a natural reaction of the superheated jet engine hits the cool air and it creates this cloud.
00:16:50.000So it no longer becomes really about the search for...
00:16:53.000See, if you're scientifically minded, right?
00:16:55.000If you're somebody who says, like Michael Shermer, who says, I believe in the scientific method, what that really means is you start with doubt.
00:17:02.000Doubt is always present because you're always trying to prove your assumptions.
00:17:07.000And your assumptions are usually assumed to be wrong until they are proven otherwise through...
00:17:13.000Trial and error, independent lines of inquiry that come to the same conclusion, all things being equal.
00:17:23.000That goes into the medicine, the computer that you use, and everything else.
00:17:27.000There is a way to get to a result that actually has tangible, mathematical, measurable reality.
00:17:35.000And I think that conspiracy theorists are as attached to being a conspiracy theorist Regardless of what that means, as they are, as someone who would be, I don't know, it's an identity, as opposed to a search for truth.
00:18:48.000When you pretend that those are clouds and that these clouds that are coming out of the back of these jets are some sort of a chemical spray that the government is launching indiscriminately down on civilization for mind control or some nefarious purpose.
00:19:26.000Well, what I think is really awesome about the internet and about all this is that I think all you hear lately, and I agree, is that the mainstream media is not really a reliable source of truth anymore.
00:19:39.000I don't like Trump, but I will admit that the New York liberal media, who I rarely agree with anyway, has given him a fucking...
00:19:48.000I mean, he's his own worst enemy, of course.
00:19:51.000But there's no question that a lot of it's either bought off or influenced by its owners and influenced by the fact that it has to be entertaining to compete for ratings.
00:20:46.000I know that Fox News and CNN give a lot of news to a lot of people, but I think as they continue to discredit themselves with certain behaviors, people are going to be looking for more advice.
00:21:00.000Well, they can't fall back on that anymore.
00:21:03.000Because they're the purveyors of truth.
00:21:06.000You're the only world purveyors of truth.
00:21:08.000CNN, Fox News, NBC, ABC, CBS, the big ones, everybody that's putting out these gigantic shows that are being viewed by millions of people, there's a small handful of you.
00:21:19.000And if you're full of shit, it's a giant problem.
00:21:21.000So if you're full of shit, it doesn't matter all the good stuff that you do.
00:21:24.000It doesn't really matter, because you're fucking us.
00:21:26.000And I watched Fox News and I watched CNN the other day, and I'm going back and forth between the two of them, and I would just watch one for an hour and then watch the other for an hour.
00:21:34.000One of them just wants to talk about nothing but sexual assault, and they were talking about how important it is that we don't use certain language in the workplace, and Don Lemon was telling people, I've had to check people.
00:21:46.000I've had to check people in my personal life.
00:22:02.000But it's also important that you look at all the fucking corruption that's been shown about the Democratic Party, about what they did to keep Bernie Sanders out, the way they conspired.
00:22:14.000Well, Hillary Clinton and that Clinton Foundation, I mean, there's the list of...
00:22:19.000Grievances and corruption has been well documented as a mile long It's almost like if I was Hillary Clinton and I knew that I had like there's a lot of dirt on me like goddamn I did some shady shit now the internet starting to Expose my financial dealings and these two hundred and fifty thousand dollar Speeches that she did you know what I'd like to run against someone who is so fucking terrible Someone's a horrible person Maybe I can get Donald to do me a solid.
00:22:48.000And Donald's like, oh, I'll play it up.
00:23:13.000He has an ideology and a philosophy in terms of what he can see and what he has experienced and felt.
00:23:20.000But if you think Donald Trump actually has...
00:23:24.000A philosophy and an ideology that was based on him sort of really thinking and reading and stepping outside himself, reaching beyond himself, you're out of your mind.
00:24:07.000If you take the various constants that appear in Maxwell's equations and put them together in the right way, you get the velocity of waves moving down an axis.
00:25:36.000His brain is organized to be impulsive, to be reactive.
00:25:40.000If you had to draw a picture of his brain, like a side view of his brain, what percentage of it would just say grab the pussy inside of it?
00:26:01.000Yeah, he was a Democrat from 2001 to 2008. In 2008, he endorsed John McCain for president.
00:26:08.000He gave to Hillary Clinton's campaign.
00:26:10.000But he was also, as a real estate developer, he gave to whatever political party was going to get him the tax breaks he needed or give him the favors he needed.
00:27:08.000I think there are a lot of Trump voters that might be ignorant or not interested in, you know, but I think it's unfair.
00:27:14.000I think it's unfair to categorize somebody who wants to vote for Trump or not vote for Hillary.
00:27:19.000I think it's very unfair and condescending to consider them to be dumb or rednecks.
00:27:24.000I think the problem with that is this.
00:27:26.000Hillary Clinton is talking in very much the same way and along the same parallels that Obama did eight years ago.
00:27:34.000If you are a working class dude, if you are somebody who has been left behind through globalization and through, I guess, just how the country has moving technology, so if you're a coal miner, if you're,
00:27:49.000I don't know, there are a lot of industries, You are listening to this woman speak exactly the way Obama did eight years ago and your life has gotten worse.
00:28:02.000Why in the world would, out of desperation...
00:28:04.000Would you not try this very entertaining, giant white guy who's got confidence, who wants to break Washington apart, and who's saying, I'm going to make America great again.
00:28:33.000Either way, I'd be pretty desperate for a change and I wouldn't be voting for Hillary.
00:28:37.000But don't you think there's a giant issue in deciding that you're going to vote for someone who says they're going to go after someone and lock them in jail?
00:29:05.000The president doesn't have the power to do that, right?
00:29:08.000Does he have the power to start some special investigation on her?
00:29:11.000The short answer is yes, the president can appoint an attorney general from the Justice Department, his own attorney general, I believe, to investigate a special case.
00:32:01.000He was a fugitive who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution and was residing in Switzerland.
00:32:06.000He owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 cases, accounts of tax fraud, was pardoned for tax evasion.
00:32:13.000He was required to pay a $1 million fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case.
00:32:23.000Critics complained that Denise Eisenberg, Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to the Clinton Library and Mrs. Clinton's Senate campaign.
00:33:21.000That Canadian businessman gave $31 million to the Clinton Foundation with a pledge for $100 million more, and he gave Clinton a $500,000 Check for speaking, for a speech.
00:33:39.000Then when it came time for the Kazakh oil fields to be sold to a Russian company, a Russian company that the State Department and everybody else in our intelligence community said, guys, the Soviets are going to have a lot of access to uranium,
00:33:54.000some of the biggest reserves in the world, and this Canadian businessman is going to sell it to a Russian company.
00:34:00.000Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State at the time, and she okayed that deal.
00:34:04.000She was one of the people that had to give her okay.
00:34:07.000So now the Russians own a lot of that, a lot of those oil fields.
00:34:12.000Oh, and by the way, look up the U.S.-Russian Technology Initiative, where one of the movements is to have...
00:34:21.000Russian citizens and American citizens share technology and technological sort of ideas and stuff.
00:34:29.000The problem with that is that that requires American investors.
00:35:44.000First of all, be careful of those accreditation.
00:35:46.000Foundations have always been notoriously corrupted in every aspect, including getting high ratings.
00:35:53.000But there is no doubt that the Clinton Foundation does a lot of good for children with AIDS overseas for, I think, things like malaria, malaria nets.
00:36:04.000I think they even work maybe with the Gates Foundation.
00:36:25.000I can give you a definition, but for the most part, a slush fund typically would be A place to put money that under certain auspices is said for this, but it's actually used for other things.
00:36:39.000A reserve of money used for illicit purposes, especially political bribery.
00:36:44.000Yes, but what you say is, oh, this money is for curing this disease, but it's used for other things.
00:36:54.000I think that might be unfair to say that the Clinton Foundation is less fun.
00:36:57.000That's what journalists, especially conservative newspapers like Wall Street Journal will say.
00:37:04.000I mean, what I was going to say earlier about tuning back and forth between CNN and Fox News, it was one of the best examples I've ever seen of the fact that these guys are playing a game and this is just the propaganda news network now.
00:37:17.000This is a propaganda news network for the left.
00:37:19.000This is a propaganda news network for the right.
00:37:24.000No one's having this conversation that we're having where we're saying, look, maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to get someone in there who's some crazy rich guy who's this gigantic figure that'll stir things up.
00:37:36.000Maybe having a guy like him would be a doorway to having someone who has some next level view of running government and including people in the process and moving it away from this The system's too restrictive,
00:37:53.000and it's too restrictive based on the times in which it was creative.
00:37:56.000The representative government model that they needed in 1776, it's a very different world today.
00:39:05.000Establishing sort of where you stand and rather than say these people over here are wrong and these people over here are right or these people are left or right, what you're doing is categorizing people and we know that people are all over the place.
00:40:03.000We have a disenfranchised group over here.
00:40:05.000Let's call them transsexuals, or let's call them black people, or let's call them women.
00:40:11.000I can't believe you lumped all those three people together.
00:40:14.000Well, we do this, let's just take the fact that women are victims of sexual assault.
00:40:21.000We've established that sexual assault is, first let's define what it is, but we know that for the most part it's a problem and it's a terrible thing when it happens, right?
00:40:51.000So what we're going to do is make it better because the way we're going to make it better is we're going to take the power away from those men.
00:41:01.000And we're going to give it somewhere else.
00:41:08.000Powerful authority to actually be able to enforce that.
00:41:12.000You need laws and you need regulations and you need restrictions.
00:41:16.000So the idea that you will make someone else who's not powerful more powerful by putting down people that are already powerful, by taking that power away from them financially or with laws, as if that is going to make the people who have been oppressed It's going to make their lives better.
00:41:37.000I think that's a faulty way of thinking.
00:42:29.000I think the distinction between the two groups is bogus, and I think we're so used to having teams compete against teams that we slide right into it.
00:42:37.000I think what we really should be worried about is, there should be a set of things that we're all worried about.
00:42:57.000Okay, well first we've got to find them.
00:42:59.000It might be the people that are driving the narrative.
00:43:01.000This should be the entire focus of a culture.
00:43:04.000Okay, second of all, Where are the weak links in our chains?
00:43:07.000How are these poor people supposed to get by?
00:43:10.000They're born into poverty, they're born into shitty parents.
00:43:13.000How do we fucking nip that in the bud so we have less people that are just suffering through the emotional baggage of being raised by fuckheads?
00:43:20.000But there are different schools of thought on that, right?
00:43:30.000Why would anybody do any of these things?
00:43:32.000At what point in time is it going to be ridiculous for the idea of giant groups of people to go over and try to fuck up other giant groups of people that are all in on it together for the profits of some person who probably doesn't give a fuck about you and is super happy to let you go to war for them so they can get more oil?
00:44:38.000And once it becomes a goal, you're going to get the super competitive people that are trying to achieve that goal.
00:44:42.000And then along the way they start realizing that they can sell influence and speeches and that Bill Clinton got paid half a million bucks to talk to these people for an hour and Hillary Clinton got 250,000 to talk to some bankers for an hour.
00:44:56.000It's like there's so much money in it that they start realizing like that position carries with it an incredible fiscal windfall.
00:45:52.000500 years of continual warfare in Italy gave rise to the Renaissance, and 500 years of relative peace in Switzerland gave rise to the cuckoo clock.
00:46:06.000They're beautiful clocks and the chicks are hot.
00:46:08.000Why build things when you can just fuck all the girls that live there?
00:47:42.000He's always been this figure and this, like, this sort of symbol of wealth and extravagance.
00:47:49.000It revitalized a lot of political discussion, because I was forced to explain and articulate and think about why he's dangerous.
00:47:59.000I was forced to look up words like demagogue.
00:48:01.000I didn't have to look that up, ladies and gentlemen, but you know what I mean.
00:48:03.000But I was forced to do all these things, and that in a way is good.
00:48:08.000I mean, that in a way, you've got to have somebody, you go, wait a minute, wait a minute, I can't afford to not be politically committed right now.
00:48:14.000And here's another reason I don't like Hillary, the uranium one deal.
00:48:17.000And here's another reason I don't like Trump.
00:48:20.000At least it got me thinking and talking.
00:48:35.000Well, Eddie's done a lot of investigative journalism.
00:48:38.000The big fear in the conservative conspiracy theory world is, this has been explained to me, that they think that they're going to start a war with Russia to distract us from the WikiLeaks.
00:49:52.000They love certain looks as far as clothing goes.
00:49:55.000It's whatever the fuck you think it is.
00:49:57.000If it's beautiful to you, it's ridiculous anyway.
00:50:00.000Physical beauty in a human being, the difference between a person whose cheeks are this wide, like, you know, like five inches wide or seven inches wide, that extra two inches can make you look like a fucking weirdo.
00:50:19.000Not that it throws you off because you're looking at the Fibonacci sequence of a person.
00:50:23.000That's what happens when someone gets a nose job.
00:50:25.000If they have a naturally huge nose and they get that bitch chopped down, something will look weird about their face to you because your brain is used to looking at things in a very distinct sequence.
00:50:36.000The Fibonacci sequence, which exists on nautilus shells and sunflower seeds and all these different versions of it in nature.
00:50:42.000But also, you can use that sequence, you can use those measurements to show roughly what a person's facial features would be like.
00:50:51.000And so when you surgically mess with that...
00:50:54.000Yeah, you fuck with the whole outline of your face.
00:50:57.000That's like when you see someone and their lips are way too big and their mouth is stretched too wide, so you know they've got fillers and some sort of a neck job where their face is pulled back.
00:51:10.000You're immediately, like, your math is off on them.
00:51:14.000Like, you're looking at them, you're like, my math's off.
00:51:44.000We're talking about Fibonacci, but we got to something before that.
00:51:48.000Harmony and how beauty is contextual, right?
00:51:51.000But it's weird how like there's certain things that people just decide are beautiful and there's certain things that are beautiful to certain people that just don't resonate with others at all, you know?
00:52:02.000And certain people are into certain looks, you know?
00:52:04.000There's guys that are legitimately into morbidly obese women.
00:52:10.000Gadsad on your podcast would disagree.
00:52:11.000I listened to that podcast and Gadsad was talking about how even congenitally, he went through a whole litany of reasons why hip-to-waist ratio and breast size and all that stuff and symmetry and proportion are biological triggers for men and the idea that there isn't a standard of beauty that turns on men in general.
00:53:02.000Well, I knew about him because our neighbors, when I was a kid, you know, my parents were hippies.
00:53:07.000We lived in San Francisco from age 7 to 11. I lived in San Francisco.
00:53:11.000And we had these crazy neighbors, these gay guys.
00:53:14.000My aunt used to smoke pot and go next door, and they would go get naked and play bongos together.
00:53:19.000This guy was black as the sky on a moonless night.
00:53:24.000And he would get high as fuck and take all his clothes off and he was gay and his boyfriend, they would live together and they would all just get naked and play bongos together.
00:53:33.000My aunt would go down there and get baked with him.
00:53:35.000But anyway, they had these comic books.
00:54:06.000That was what he was into for some weird reason.
00:54:09.000I wonder if, though, those kinds of examples are...
00:54:13.000First of all, I think everybody, though, regardless of what your aberration, your perversion, your fetish is, whatever you want to call a word, I think, though, that that still doesn't mean that they don't and can't recognize what would be considered harmonious.
00:56:50.000I mean, that has been in the past, but that's less what's interesting.
00:56:54.000I think when I see a CrossFit woman, like a woman who's just got a blowout ass and powerful legs and all that, and a back on her, maybe I want to breed with her, so maybe primordially I want to breed with her so my kids are studs, but I just find it physically very attractive when a girl's got a Well,
00:57:17.000Because then there's the other side of me that likes a super feminine, petite, curvy woman, and that might be who I'd rather cuddle with And date, whereas the other one I just want to have animal sex with.
00:57:32.000And so there's this, I'm kind of pulled.
00:57:34.000Yeah, welcome to being a man, motherfucker.
00:57:35.000Why are you making this sound like it's a big, complicated issue?
00:57:49.000What I'm saying is I'm attracted to everybody.
00:57:51.000Well, that's part of the problem with being a man, is that genetically you're designed to spread them genes around as much as possible to ensure the survival of the race.
00:58:01.000However, that's not really necessary anymore.
00:58:03.000Like, we used to die real young, we were eaten by things left and right, so we have this fucking insatiable instinct to fuck all the time and get rid of loads and make people.
00:59:10.000We're still in the same fucking caveman genes.
00:59:12.000The genetics have to be like constantly managed by the psyche, constantly managed by discipline, constantly managed by thinking, you know, whether it's yelling at somebody in traffic or whether it's all the other ridiculous male instincts that people have to,
00:59:28.000whether it's to start wars or to kick their ass because they're rooting for the wrong team and all that stuff, it's based on like these ancient reward systems that we've got stuck in our bodies.
01:00:22.000But if you had a fight for your life, if you were in a hotel ballroom, you got locked in there with her, and she's coming full clip, and you realize this is for real.
01:00:28.000If she had no training, maybe I could tire her out, but I'd have...
01:02:08.000Again, all those genetic aberrations happen in nature.
01:02:11.000Yeah, I was talking to this woman from South Africa recently at this party.
01:02:16.000I told you the story about all the kids that, well, she grew up in, she lived in South Africa for a while, and it's really funny because she was talking about mountain lions and how hilarious it is that people are worried about mountain lions.
01:02:30.000We would have to worry about the real lions.
01:02:39.000But she was talking about kids in Silicon Valley that are having problems dealing with their hyper-successful parents and the lack of time and attention that's being paid to them.
01:03:20.000You know, like, that somehow or another the money that these kids have, you know, when they're 16, they have a fucking fresh BMW. The money provides connection and love and that you mean something to your parents.
01:03:32.000Well, because it's so unattainable for so many folks, money and being rich like one of these kids seems like, well, they hit the lottery.
01:03:49.000You'd be way better off with happy, healthy parents that were around and went to your sports events and hung out with you and did things with you and were there all the time and gave you a feeling of comfort while you're growing up.
01:04:03.000So you can grow up with a sense of security.
01:04:05.000There's a lot of these kids that are growing up and they are all fucked up because their parents are never around.
01:04:37.000They're trying to make them more difficult to get, but there's still a ton of money that's being pumped into the system from the manufacturers of these.
01:04:44.000As you were talking about before, about the use of influence in politics, the company that makes fentanyl, is that how you say it?
01:06:03.000Well, this is what people are dropping dead off.
01:06:06.000And the company that makes that shit is trying to put out ads or pay for the campaign against marijuana being recreationally legal, which is just fucking crazy.
01:06:22.000You know, I know that they think that they're gonna lose profit from marijuana being legal, so I know that they're acting out of a business purpose.
01:06:29.000But you just expect them on something that's so fucking important culturally and such an important precedent.
01:06:36.000Like, that any company that's against marijuana becoming legal, that it is such a damaging position to take.
01:06:44.000And if you get away with it today, By the time people examine this, and by the time it's looked back on five, ten years from now, whatever it is, you're gonna look preposterous that you spent any money to try to make marijuana illegal.
01:06:58.000There's no reason why anyone Should step in and try to make it illegal.
01:07:05.000It's the will of the people, and there's no medical evidence whatsoever that shows that it's even remotely as dangerous as a million different things that are already legal.
01:07:14.000But see, that's sort of another example of what I was talking about before, which is that you can try to legislate and pass laws and enforce sort of your view of reality of what you think is good for people.
01:07:28.000But it seems to me a better way to go is to win the idea.
01:07:32.000The idea that marijuana is not as destructive, for example, in many ways, I'm not an expert, but in many ways to say alcohol, which is legal.
01:07:42.000You don't even have to say I'm not an expert.
01:07:44.000That's an absolutely scientifically proven fact.
01:07:48.000But that took time to not only be sort of...
01:07:53.000Enough experiment, just in real life, in real time, started to prove that to be true.
01:07:59.000But then that idea and that experiment had to dissipate into the national or international collective conscience, right?
01:08:06.000Well, a big part of that was because of Richard Nixon.
01:08:08.000You know, Richard Nixon funded studies.
01:08:09.000They put studies together to try to find out what are the bad things about marijuana.
01:08:18.000The shit that Nixon did, Nixon passed the sweeping psychedelic act of 1970. That made everything Schedule I. There was DMT and mushrooms and all that shit.
01:08:52.000And even along this marijuana thing, there's a bunch of people that are scrambling to try to keep it illegal as long as possible so that it continues their profits with painkillers.
01:09:03.000That if marijuana becomes legal, if marijuana, especially edible marijuana, which is incredibly potent but doesn't have any of the fucking downsides, doesn't have any of the negative effects, no one's dying from it, which is the biggest one.
01:09:16.000And it's been shown to help so many people with seizures, so many different diseases, people that have AIDS, people that are on chemotherapy.
01:09:23.000There's hundreds and hundreds of different things that it's been shown to help with, people with What is it a glaucoma?
01:09:32.000What is that for the ocular pressure intraocular pressure relieves that it's amazing for inflammation for people that have back problems and all sorts of other issues Regarding pain and inflammatory issues that people have but these The things that would profit from keeping it illegal Are the same things that are killing people.
01:09:55.000And the idea that they're allowed to do that and that no one steps in and no politicians talk about it being a huge evil and a real problem, it's one of the things that's left completely off the debate.
01:10:05.000It's not to diminish sexual assault, because obviously that's really important.
01:10:09.000Obviously that's really important and all this pay-to-play stuff and all these accusations of corruption on both sides.
01:10:15.000It's all very important, but man, so's that.
01:10:18.000Well, that is, and also learning how to distinguish.
01:10:22.000And learning how to distinguish what you should label, for example, a psychedelic.
01:10:29.000Well, not just that, but sometimes I wonder if...
01:10:33.000If, when you call for the legalization of marijuana, which I would do of course, and I've always said that ultimately it's all about letting people make their own choices, but I wonder if it's important to distinguish between drugs, like do you think It certainly is.
01:10:50.000That heroin and cocaine should also be legal?
01:10:53.000I think, as an adult, as you, Brian Callen, the idea that me, as me, Joe Rogan, could tell you you can't do heroin is preposterous.
01:11:03.000Who the fuck am I? Who am I to tell you?
01:11:06.000Well, you can do it under a doctor's supervision, or you could do morphine.
01:11:57.000The problem is they're not discussing this other thing.
01:11:59.000They're not discussing how many fucking people are hooked on painkillers.
01:12:02.000It's a giant, massive epidemic and the idea that the same people that are selling those painkillers are actively working to make sure that marijuana stays illegal.
01:12:11.000It lets you know that you're in a crazy system when the protectors and the politicians don't bring that up at all.
01:12:42.000They have theoretical knowledge, and I think there's a place for academics, and I think there's an obvious place for strong intellectual energy.
01:12:51.000But, my God, there's no group more intolerant to new ideas in many ways.
01:13:19.000I actually resent the fact that, first of all, Obviously, I've never been a fan of this, guys, but I resent the fact that people seem to be equating, equating, groping, and even kissing somebody or talking about it as Rape,
01:13:43.000Well, to an unwanted woman, hold on a second, to a woman who doesn't want it, if he comes up and grabs you on the pussy, that is sexual assault.
01:14:29.000No, but I think these are really important distinctions because otherwise people that are a woman who's held down, let's just take a terrible example.
01:14:37.000A woman, a stranger breaks into her house, holds her down and rapes her.
01:15:01.000And you work for the guy, and you're scared to lose your job, and he grabs you, and he puts his fingers in your mouth, and he goes, come on, baby, give me a kiss.
01:15:09.000And because you're so afraid and so overwhelmed, you don't know what to do, and he starts kissing you, and you're like, oh, Jesus, let this be over with.
01:15:15.000I'm sure that's happened one million times in life with women.
01:15:18.000This is why women, when they see that shit, they go, I've met a guy like that.
01:15:28.000However, as citizens, and in this discussion in the law, you have to make a distinction, even the media, because if you start calling that rape, Or if you start calling that sexual assault versus, I don't know, sexual misconduct, or I don't know what the words are.
01:16:05.000You're violating their humanity because you're choosing to enforce your wants and needs over what they want.
01:16:10.000Would you equate that with- Here's the problem.
01:16:13.000Fucking you know and I know that there have been times in people's lives when someone has grabbed a woman and kissed her and she loved it and they wound up getting married and having kids.
01:16:58.000Yes, but my point is, you shouldn't compare worst versions of rape.
01:17:03.000And say that this version of what you would call sexual assault is not that big of a deal.
01:17:08.000But you're kind of saying that by saying that you're diminishing the horribleness of the other people's experiences by actually getting physically raped and with a knife to their neck and getting fucked by a group of guys.
01:17:22.000I'm saying there has to be a difference, right?
01:20:15.000Look, any goddamn person who has ever been 18, or however old these people were, and been away from your parents for the first time and been drunk, And hooked up with a girl, like, you don't know, there's nothing evil going on there.
01:20:30.000This is like two people that want to be together, that get together.
01:20:33.000Like, to call that rape in any way, shape, or form, that's crazy.
01:21:12.000But I'm saying that there is a movement to, again, the enemy is there's a movement to lump all behavior under the same sort of dark umbrella.
01:23:33.000And I think one thing as men that it's easy to think of is it's easy to forget that When you're a chick, there's a whole other element when you're dealing with men.
01:23:45.000And that element is size, strength, and even though violence is highly unlikely in any workplace scenario, you still feel like your body knows that if the shit went down, Donald Trump could choke you to death.
01:25:29.000How do you stop campus sexual assault?
01:25:31.000Now that we know that there's a lot of it where they're trying to stop or getting people in trouble for shit, that's not really sexual assault.
01:25:38.000But we also know that there's a lot of guys that are fucking douchebags and guaranteed someone's going to get drunk.
01:25:53.000It's not like accusing more people because then you're going to get people that are even more frustrated with the opposite If you find out that guys are getting locked up in jail for doing the exact same thing their girlfriend was, both being drunk and both having sex, and the guy all of a sudden is a sexual predator because he's drunk...
01:26:57.000This is a good question for you because somebody wrote this the other day about how when what we call ISIS, when we first started having conflicts in the Middle East after the Iraq War, it's a Sunni and a Shia in Iraq, and then there's all these other groups and factions.
01:27:14.000There's the Taliban, there's Al-Qaeda, and there's Boko Haram, there's all these different factions.
01:27:20.000We sort of kind of lumped them all together and decided they were one big enemy.
01:27:59.000I think these are names that were given to themselves.
01:28:02.000And then Boko Haram, Haram in Arabic means bad.
01:28:07.000Like you say, like in Arabic, a lot of times when something happens that's bad, you always say, Ya Haram, you know, like that's fucked up, you know, almost.
01:28:14.000So Boko Haram is sort of a slang, I believe, loosely translated idea that everything Western is bad.
01:28:51.000That is, if there's any glue to those groups, it is that they essentially adhere to a very strident puritanical form of Islam with no room for interpretation.
01:29:07.000They are willing to resort to what they would consider to be jihad, the root of which means struggle, but what they consider to be, you know, violence is the only option, and Islam must sail in on a sea of blood, because that's the only way it happens.
01:29:23.000So, there's all this sort of idea that, you know, we'll use this word.
01:29:39.000Not only that, when the casualties are so one-sided in terms of like all of it is taking place in one part of the world versus in our part of the world where we're engaging in a completely different spot in the country.
01:29:51.000It makes a lot of people get excited about joining the cause.
01:29:55.000They see the imbalance and the conflict.
01:29:57.000They also see, though, that when they go through Istanbul Airport and they get into Syria and they die really quickly, they're starting to realize very quickly that it's also a death sentence.
01:30:08.000You don't want to fuck with the Peshmerga.
01:30:10.000You don't want to fuck with the American special forces.
01:30:13.000I mean, these guys are just getting...
01:30:20.000I have a real issue with ISIS and ISIL. They keep changing their name back and forth.
01:31:01.000I think that the problem with Islamic fundamentalism is not as much a worry because they're not offering anything.
01:31:07.000Communism had something that lasted, that ideology lasted 70 years.
01:31:12.000But I think it lasted so long because communism was something that you could kind of, there was a compassionate Element to it, you know, don't believe in God, believe in reason, and let's live on communism and all share and be nice to each other.
01:31:25.000That idea is pretty potent, especially the young people who are trying to figure the world out and who love each other.
01:33:09.000But that's the number one issue with someone like the Clintons.
01:33:13.000And then the thing is that everybody thinks that that's the only way to do it.
01:33:17.000People that support the left, the people that are really into being Democrats, they have this thing that they've sort of resigned themselves to.
01:33:51.000Sometimes I think that Things start to happen by default.
01:33:55.000So if you started, let's just say we could kind of scramble everything up and go back to set point zero.
01:34:02.000I feel like in 30 years, we'd be right back to where we started.
01:34:07.000Somebody was talking about factory farming.
01:34:09.000I was talking to a guy who has been in the food business forever, and I was talking about, there's a book called The Dorito Effect.
01:34:15.000About how food flavoring, when scientists figured out how to make a corn chip taste like a taco, it kind of changed everything because we were able to isolate flavors.
01:34:24.000There was a machine that allowed us to...
01:34:26.000Because we didn't know why a strawberry tasted like a strawberry or an orange tasted like an orange.
01:34:30.000And I had this guy on my podcast on the Brian Callen show.
01:34:33.000And the guy writes this book about how food flavoring changed everything.
01:34:40.000The way we eat, and it allowed us to take very non-nutritious food and make it nutritious.
01:34:48.000I'm trying to figure out how you're going to bring this back to factory farming if we end it now, we'll be back around there in 30 years.
01:34:52.000And he was talking about how we need to get back to sort of, you know, family farming and heirloom farming and stuff.
01:34:57.000But I talked to this guy who was in the food business, and he said, you know, the problem with that is that family farms are a great idea, and we do probably need more family farms, but what would happen is, probably in 20 years, we'd be back to factory farming.
01:35:30.000And I can do this even better because there's a better way to do it.
01:35:32.000And not only that, keep the prices stable because we're going to have a lot of eggs.
01:35:37.000So when IHOP, IHOP doesn't have to say, well, today, since we only get our eggs from a local source, today the eggs are...
01:35:44.000Five dollars, whereas yesterday were $3.99.
01:35:47.000That's kind of what would happen because it would depend on production, yield, and distribution.
01:35:52.000And so he was kind of saying, you know, it's nice to think that we need family farming, but chances are, with such a huge population that we have to feed the way we do as quickly as we do, we'd probably be back to, hey, we're running out of chickens.
01:36:05.000Who can make a chicken that can mature in six weeks?
01:36:16.000They do their best to try to figure out how to pollute the least and consume the least and leave the smallest carbon footprint.
01:36:24.000Some people are very conscious about it, but there's a lot of things that people overlook.
01:36:28.000And one of them is all the vegetables that you get from the grocery store.
01:36:31.000No matter what, if you think you are somehow another karma-free because you're only eating vegetables, man, I hate to tell you, but that whole thing of growing vegetables in mass is only slightly less controversial than growing animals in mass.
01:36:48.000There's a lot of displacement of wildlife, there's a lot of pollution of the environment due to pesticides, the runoff from the salt and sea that I was telling you about.
01:36:56.000That's all directly attributed to farming and most of it is, you know, agriculture.
01:37:09.000It's not natural to keep growing things in one spot.
01:37:11.000That is just not how the world is supposed to be designed.
01:37:13.000It's supposed to be a gigantic cycle of animals dying and their bodies rotting and their bodies fueling the plants that they actually eat and then animals eat them and they die and their bodies rot and fuel the plants that grow around them.
01:37:29.000We've circumvented that thing with these giant things we call cities.
01:37:32.000We figured out a way to stack all these people on top of each other and then we had to figure out a way to get them all food because the fucking buildings kept growing and the people kept needing more and more and more and they're running out of room.
01:39:10.000You can go to jail for letting people know about animal torture that's being taken place where they're hitting a fucking cow in the head with a wrench.
01:39:18.000I saw this crazy video where this guy crowbars a cow in the head.
01:39:21.000The first time I ever learned about factory farming was there was a pamphlet in my college and they were talking about how smart pigs are and how they showed a picture of a pig chewing the bars in the pen it was in.
01:39:34.000And how pigs go crazy because they want to roam, but they're too smart to just sit in that pen.
01:39:39.000And I got so claustrophobic that I didn't eat bacon for a year out of compassion.
01:39:55.000Well, vegetarian is way more healthy than just going straight vegan.
01:39:59.000When I say way more healthy, meaning that it's easier to be way more healthy.
01:40:03.000You can pull off the vegan thing if you're super on the ball with your essential fats, and you make sure you take, what is it, DHEA? What is the omega-3s and 6s that you can get from, what the fuck is that stuff called?
01:41:02.000They're weird little things, and apparently they're super, super primitive.
01:41:07.000We decide that they are an animal that should not be eaten, whereas a plant is something that should be eaten, based on whether or not they move.
01:41:43.000I mean, there's a thing called the Lobster Liberation Organization that break into restaurants and they take lobsters and they throw them back in the ocean.
01:42:22.000That's why if you eat cricket flour, like that was a thing in protein bars, sometimes if you have an allergy to shellfish, you can break out into hives.
01:42:32.000That's so true, and I can validate that by fear factor.
01:42:35.000Fear factor, we gave people roaches, and one of the dudes that we gave roaches was allergic to shellfish.
01:45:08.000Even admitting that, even saying that, for me personally, it's the better option, I enjoy that option, I think it's the best option, it's still everybody can't do it, so we're fucked no matter what.
01:45:19.000But we've come a long way with just feeding people half the world was starving in the 70s.
01:45:22.000Of course, but we just went back to what we're saying.
01:45:24.000You know, factory farming, that's how they did it.
01:45:26.000I mean, they figured out how to do it with large-scale agriculture, indiscriminate combines that chew up the amount of animals that die when they chew up the fucking grain and corn and all the different things.
01:48:03.000But there's a bunch of different kinds of machines they use for that same kind of purpose, meaning for whether it's they're just going to replant them or whether it's they're harvesting them.
01:48:12.000There's got machines running over that ground all the time.
01:48:16.000Like, see if you could find the big combines.
01:48:18.000They spread out like a T. It's like, so there's a truck, and then to the right and the left, they spread out on either side with these just...
01:48:26.000There's gears that chop down the plants and then get them ready for harvest.
01:48:31.000And they also do it when they're making hay.
01:48:49.000And animals, especially fawns, it's one of the weird things about deer fawns, when they're really young, they just stay put.
01:48:56.000So if they hear things, you could literally walk up to a baby deer fawn, and if the mom's not around, you could touch it.
01:49:03.000Because their instincts, until they get old enough to run away from stuff, their instincts are to stay put, just to ensure survival.
01:49:10.000So a lot of them get chewed up in this.
01:49:13.000And there was some estimation that I read when they were talking about the problems with this, Ways they were trying to figure out how to mitigate wildlife loss from use of indiscriminate combines like this.
01:49:24.000And they were talking about each pound of grain, how many animals has to die.
01:50:49.000I mean, this is, again, this is not defending factory farming, which is obviously disgusting and horrible and it's, uh...
01:50:55.000It's one of the darker aspects of human civilization, the fact that's standard in the United States.
01:51:02.000That shit is really, really, really common.
01:51:04.000And that's how we can afford meat so cheap.
01:51:07.000But even vegetables, even vegetables, it's not like growing your own shit.
01:51:12.000Ideally, what we're supposed to do is we're all supposed to grow our own shit.
01:51:16.000We're all supposed to have a piece of land, and you're supposed to have vegetables on it, and you're supposed to have a few animals that you raise, whether it's for milk, Or for cheese or for meat or for whatever.
01:51:26.000That would be the way you could do it.
01:51:47.000But if you stop and think about the requirements, like the food requirements of all these people, it's so easy for someone, you and me included, to say, I don't have time to fucking gather and hunt.
01:52:10.000And it seems like the only way you can get that kind of access to supermarkets and to fast food restaurants, the only way is this system that we've got now.
01:52:19.000Like where you've just got massive amounts of animals that are getting slaughtered.
01:52:42.000Historian William McNeil said, well, they were able to export timber, olive oil, and wine, and so they made money, their economy, you could actually have some leisure time.
01:52:51.000You could buy leisure time, because they would trade for those goods that were wanted everywhere.
01:52:57.000So what happened was, you had, you know, there were people that made a lot of money and they could sit around and think because somebody was there to feed them.
01:53:05.000And they didn't have to worry about things.
01:53:08.000So you didn't have to really worry about the winter as much.
01:53:11.000I mean, it gets cold, but not that cold.
01:53:12.000That's so fascinating because that mirrors what John Anthony West said about Egypt.
01:53:16.000He was talking about the early days of ancient Egypt and the Nile River being such a fertile area and the food just blew up out of nowhere.
01:53:36.000You could cultivate the natural grasses that just grew anyway were, I think, also wheat.
01:53:42.000Those were there, so you didn't have to import them from other places.
01:53:48.000Yeah, so it's like we need these kind of situations, like these city-type situations where we have massive amounts of resources, but we're doing it on a scale that no one else has ever done it before.
01:53:58.000We're doing it on this really bizarre scale, and we have to recognize that this is all incredibly recent in terms of human history, to jam millions and millions of people in cities.
01:54:08.000I mean, there had been a few cities in China that had done it.
01:54:11.000There's a few places around the world that had done it, but they were essentially primitive You're talking about what they've done in terms of developing a city where it had a million people in the year 1200 versus what has to be done in the year 2016. First of all,
01:55:10.000Because when agricultural communities would go to war with nomadic tribes, or with the exception of the Mongols, but with nomadic tribes and Native Americans, for example, is that when you come from a tradition of agriculture and cities like that, where you have contact with animals,
01:55:30.000And then you build an immunity to it, but guess who doesn't?
01:55:34.000The people you come into contact with.
01:55:36.000So many of the people, like the Native Americans, they were killed by bullets, but they were mainly killed by things like influenza and the European diseases that they had zero contact with.
01:55:46.000Well, that's interesting because Dan Flores wrote a paper, I think it was called Bison Diplomacy, Bison Ecology.
01:55:55.000I'm reading his book right now about coyotes and he wrote this book about the buffalo and he said that the mass numbers that people had seen of the buffalo...
01:56:35.000But he said that the Native Americans with the firearm and with horses were already on their way to extirpating the buffalo from a lot of its range before they got hit with these crazy diseases.
01:56:55.000A lack of a competent predator, one that they used to have in the Native Americans that would follow them around.
01:57:01.000The Native Americans that were introduced to firearms, I believe he was talking about firearms, and maybe even spears and bows and arrows as well.
01:57:30.000They would just run up on them and kill a ton of them, and then they would all feast, and they would follow the buffalo herd around and just keep jacking them.
01:57:39.000Most likely, this guy Dan Flores is saying, they were on their way to diminishing the populations greatly.
01:57:48.000And he points to the early European travelers who came through.
01:59:00.000There are always stories about sort of cowboys with their shoulders that were black and blue because they were shooting buffalo all day long.
02:02:42.000There's a great video from a guard booth in Alaska, where these guys are inside one of those park ranger guard booths, and they're watching this bear walkthrough that's the size of a bus.
02:06:20.000Rinella was telling a story about a friend of his.
02:06:22.000I'm going to fuck the story up, I'm sure.
02:06:24.000But I think the gist of the story was they took this guy out for his first time hunting ever.
02:06:29.000He got attacked by a 500-pound predatory black bear in his tent while he's sleeping.
02:06:34.000The bear comes in the tent, mauls him.
02:06:36.000Somebody wakes up, shoots the bear, hits him in the wrist, breaks his wrist, and then the bear gets out of that tent, runs into another tent, and they shoot it.
02:07:55.000They would find out where they were sleeping, and they would come in there and stab the shit out of them while they were sleeping.
02:08:01.000And then they would take that bone because it was extra hard, and they would put it at the end of their spear, and that's how they would kill seals.
02:08:08.000Did you ever wonder how Inuits who lived in that icy region got water?
02:09:37.000And when you were an aristocrat in Britain, you had a duty.
02:09:40.000You had a duty to essentially use your free time to make the world a better place.
02:09:45.000And so he is famously stiff upper lip, grew up on a life of discipline, never showing ever your emotions, probably carted away to boarding school at six years old, as they always were.
02:10:11.000As he knew he was going to die, his foot apparently was very gangrene, and he looked at his men and he said, I'm going for a walk, and there may be some time.
02:10:20.000And he just, rather than inconvenience him with his death, because that would be very un-British, he walked off.
02:10:31.000Because keeping up, and if you read some of the letters as they were dying and starving to death, their letters are incredibly formal, and still poised, and always taking into account that they had to keep up appearances, and that they had to...
02:10:46.000Always remind themselves that they were there for a bigger cause and that their personal discomfort was just not something you inconvenience anybody with.
02:10:53.000Well, that was the highest level of civilization they were capable of expressing before emojis.
02:10:59.000See, now you could send someone like a text message and say, I don't think this DIS shit is gonna work out.
02:11:10.000And then you'd have like emoji with a peace sign and then like you and then a gun.
02:11:15.000Dude, if you want to see the antithesis to the emoji in the American culture as it is now, YouTube, a debate between James Baldwin, the great African American author, and William F. Buckley at Cambridge University in 1965. Everybody who's listening,
02:11:33.000What does that have to do with emojis?
02:11:35.000Well, just because that was debate and language and formality in high relief.
02:11:40.000And Cambridge, of course, they were all there talking about the question was, is the American dream at the expense of the American Negro or is it not?
02:12:43.000Do you think that the reason why that formality was so appreciated and accepted and it was so highly regarded was because that was the highest level of civilization that they had before technology?
02:13:09.000If you wanted to get across the country, you had to get on a train.
02:13:11.000If you wanted to write something, you had to use a quill, and you had to have a little thing of ink, and you had to dip it in there, and that's how you wrote.
02:13:29.000There was less distraction and the level of ability that you could, where you could express civilization at its highest level.
02:13:38.000It was basically like code, a few machines that people had built, a few combustion machines, the trains, things along those lines, and then the rest of it was just like houses and rules.
02:13:55.000I think that's part of it, and I think that's a valid kind of description of maybe part of what was going on, but I think something else was going on with those debates.
02:14:34.000It feels like political commitment and winning these arguments between right and left, as they were known, had actual ramifications because it feels like politics and whatever happens in an election today means less to people and has less of an effect,
02:14:53.000at least an immediate effect, Because back in those days, 65, the wars that were going on with ideology and wars, I mean, fascism and communism and capitalism, people were actually dying and having real wars.
02:15:08.000There were national wars that were set to defend not only resources, but those ideologies, an entire movement.
02:15:14.000And I think that there was this sense that if this side wins...
02:15:19.000Then that side over there is going to come over and take us over.
02:15:22.000There was this real ideology between this.
02:15:24.000And so I think that those debates people took very personally because they probably knew somebody who died defending the world against fascism.
02:15:33.000They were afraid of the Red Scare or they were committed communists and they were being persecuted for it because they couldn't get a job in Hollywood.
02:15:41.000I mean, there's a real culture war that had Actual tangible ramifications that you could see every day.
02:16:43.000I bet you could name, like, isn't Yale from the 17...
02:16:48.000I think Yale was founded in, I don't know, late 17, or I think Harvard as well, or at least, I think, didn't Thomas Jefferson go to Harvard?
02:16:57.000Cambridge and Oxford go, I mean, Oxford, didn't, I think Isaac Newton went to Oxford.
02:17:03.000Yale was 1701. 1701 incredible incredible Wow so like back then amazing and that was the so you think of so let's just go to 1701 in 1701 the intellectuals were the highest expression of Civilization because it really wasn't that much Technological expression there really wasn't that much that had been done.
02:17:22.000There's where there was guns there was some machines I don't even know did they even have a printing press?
02:17:27.000I don't believe they did in 1701 when was the printing press?
02:17:30.000The printing press was invented in the 1400s.
02:18:05.000This is something that I've been talking about on stage is How recent all that was it seems it seems so far away for us But this is the way I describe it like people live to be a hundred and That's 300 years ago.
02:18:42.000In the 19th century before it was mass produced with the industrial age when you could make a lot of them for cheap enough for the populist to buy, I would imagine.
02:18:49.000Isn't it crazy, too, that we still use the QWERTY, the way the keyboards are assembled?
02:19:06.000See, find the most efficient typing configuration.
02:19:10.000There's a second type of configuration that's more efficient, and a friend of mine tried it.
02:19:15.000He tried to learn it, and he said it was, but it took him too long, and he would have to, like, reprogram computers when he got them, and he'd have to buy this certain keyboard, and if you had a laptop, you were fucked.
02:21:51.000While we're plugging things, because Brennan Schaub will beat me up if I don't mention that Fighter and Kid live will be in West Palm Beach November 11th and 12th.
02:22:01.000And in New York, Ramsey Hall, I think we're almost sold out, November 3rd.
02:23:31.000You know, it's hard to gauge when you have a little kid, see what they like and what they don't like and what agrees with them, but goat milk went down like that, like nothing.
02:23:45.000But whatever reason, we stopped buying it and now we buy just regular cow's milk.
02:23:49.000They did a really interesting experiment with goats and kind of proving that when you eat a food that's super delicious, like say you eat a peach and you love peaches.
02:24:00.000Then you eat another peach and you love peaches.
02:24:02.000But there's somewhere along the line where with foods that are also giving you nutrition, you stop.
02:24:17.000So this guy did this experiment where this professor at this university took these goats and he starved them of phosphorus.
02:24:23.000He didn't give them any phosphorus in their diet.
02:24:25.000And they started doing weird things like drinking their own urine and drinking each other's urine and pawing at the dirt and weird shit because they need phosphorus.
02:24:31.000So then he would feed them two different stables of food, but the coconut...
02:24:37.000The coconut flavored and there was maple flavored food.
02:24:40.000And so the coconut flavored food, when he'd feed them the coconut flavored food, then he would put a tube down their throat and fill their stomachs with the phosphorus.
02:24:49.000And all of a sudden, the goats were...
02:24:53.000Instinctively going for the coconut-flavored food.
02:24:55.000Now, the thing you'd say is, wait a minute, maybe they just like coconut-flavored food.
02:24:58.000But then he took the maple-flavored food and the coconut-flavored food in another control group.
02:25:02.000And when those goats would eat the maple food, he'd stick the tube down their throat and fill their stomachs with phosphorus.
02:25:09.000Now, the goats didn't know that they were getting...
02:25:12.000And so that control group would always go for the maple food.
02:25:17.000Because even though they didn't know they were getting phosphorus, they just somehow equated the fact that they were going to get the phosphorus from that.
02:25:27.000So they think that human beings have this strange mechanism in their brain and body where once you are eating a food that has nutritional value, so if it's sweet like dates, It's got nutritional value as well or whatever it might be.
02:25:43.000Somewhere along the line we get satiated no matter how delicious we find it.
02:26:22.000Chickens, because we grow them so fast, so usually, like after World War II, the fastest chicken they could grow, they had a contest to get it to the point where you could eat it, was 14 weeks.
02:26:31.000And now we've got it down to six weeks.
02:27:27.000I used to do this joke about when we did our live podcast, Brennan and I, about how I called it Rogan's Gift when you bought me that bow and arrow.
02:27:34.000And first I talked about when we hunted turkey and I was like, we killed this turkey.
02:27:48.000And then I go through this whole fucking thing.
02:27:50.000Remember when you gave me the bow and arrow?
02:27:52.000And I was like, I looked at it, I was like, I didn't know what to say, because I don't know anything about boys, but I think I saw the Hoyt thing, and I went, you got me a fucking Hoyt?
02:28:58.000Teaches you and you guys could all make a video we can make a video of you guys shooting bows for the first time when but he's like it has to like he's like I can't do that and work with you because work with me I'm Many years advanced not not saying that I'm really good.
02:29:10.000Yeah, I'm not nobody I'm so far advanced from you guys like he would have to work with you so specifically on every little thing There's so many different things you have to think of when it takes a long fucking time like me So give me an example because I would imagine how you stand,
02:30:22.000But do you think that when you master something like archery...
02:30:28.000Like, do you think that's almost enough to learn about life, or do you think that that's a little bit romantic?
02:30:34.000I think there are elements from anything you get really good at that apply to life.
02:30:39.000The idea that learning something, getting really good at it, you learn about life, has been disproved over and over again by extreme winners who are gigantic fuck-ups in their regular life.
02:30:48.000I think when you get obsessed with something to the point of excellence, to the point where you're the best at it, or one of the best at it, or you're in the running to be one of the best at it, your fucking brain does not have much room for a lot of the normal shit that everybody else has stuffed in their head.
02:31:02.000You're not going to be online, on forums, gossiping about celebrity bullshit, or talking shit about the latest movie, or talking shit about the latest song.
02:32:06.000But to me, I don't think it's indicative of learning about life.
02:32:09.000It's learning how to get really awesome at one thing, and that might translate, if you can step away from the madness and the momentum of whatever the fuck it is you're obsessed with, that ability to really completely focus in on one thing might aid you if you can completely focus in on life.
02:32:24.000But the idea that an athlete or an archer or anybody else who's doing anything obsessively is actually focusing on life...
02:32:46.000You know, great authors or great artists or whoever, and they were so obsessed with their expression that they also lived depressive lives.
02:32:53.000Now, whether or not, though, depressives tend to obsess might be another question.
02:33:08.000He was, like, one of my all-time favorite musical artists.
02:33:11.000So, you know, when I found out that Prince had all these, like, issues with his health and he's taking pain pills and he was addicted to pain pills, I was almost, like, in denial about it.
02:33:20.000I was like, no, that guy's too smart for that.
02:33:22.000Like, that guy's, like, he's smarter than the system.
02:33:24.000He figured out how to make a symbol to get out of a contract because they had to use his name.
02:33:28.000So he was the artist formerly known as Prince and became a symbol.
02:33:31.000I mean, that was what that was all about.
02:33:32.000They were like, you can't use the name Prince.
02:33:40.000But then, when you hear Prince, like, interviewed, which you rarely do, like, you see his art, which is amazing, you know, I'd still, to this day, think that Purple Rain, you know, like, it's one of the greatest songs, one of the greatest, it was a great movie.
02:34:44.000He was trying to equate all of these different things that were going on in the world with people not following God's way and sticking their dick in any place they want.
02:34:52.000And people were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
02:35:36.000But there's also a problem that when he said that, he was probably 50, and when he got famous, he was probably 20. So 30 years of being completely insulated and isolated, people kissing your ass, and you saying a bunch of poetic shit while you're alone in Minneapolis.
02:35:53.000And being myopic about what he did, right?
02:35:55.000Myopic enough to never read probably a newspaper or anything.
02:37:23.000And he walked by me twice and then he was standing in a group.
02:37:27.000And I was there, invisible, because everybody else was way too famous, and I just kept looking at him, and I was like, don't stare at Prince.
02:37:34.000Stop staring at Prince and act normally, you fucking asshole.
02:37:36.000He was just a little bit above a dwarf.
02:38:27.000I got a lot of attention for that, and then nothing.
02:38:31.000Christy Alley was in her peak back then.
02:38:34.000I had famous Broadway directors calling me, telling me I was great on the show, and they wanted to put me in their play, and I was so excited.
02:38:39.000Were they trying to fuck you, or were they being honest?
02:40:21.000And it's called, he blew, he ran, he got out.
02:40:24.000Do you get in trouble when you do that?
02:40:26.000No, but there's David Miscavige, the secretive sort of leader, has never been painted in a very favorable light, especially if you read that book.
02:41:07.000Apparently there's a great new documentary that I've been hearing about called Holy Hell about some guy who got involved in some really nutty cult in 1985 and was in the cult for like 20 years and documented a bunch of crazy shit and is going to put a documentary out about it.
02:43:52.000He wrote, he was such a fucking influencer.
02:43:54.000Springsteen was just doing a BBC interview and he said, it was the first time I'd ever heard anybody describe America the way it really was.
02:44:56.000Who's that rock historian who said that rock and roll was the greatest when they were doing psychedelics and they were smoking weed?
02:45:04.000When cocaine and heroin came in, it was when the music died.
02:45:07.000That's when Lou Reed and that's when all those guys, the Mamas and Papas and all those guys, after Haight-Ashbury, I think 1968, when heroin and cocaine came in, the music basically died.
02:47:35.000And meanwhile, an effective dose, it's 5-MAO-DMT is in more potent psychedelic ounce per ounce, gram per gram, than NN-DMT. It's the most potent.
02:47:49.000It doesn't give you the visuals, but as far as like effective dose, it's the most potent.
02:47:54.000So a small amount can get you fucked up.
02:47:56.000And you used to be able to buy that stuff.
02:47:58.000Where pot was illegal, you used to be able to buy 5-MeO-DMT online.
02:48:03.000And if you smoked it, you just got shot through a cannon to the center of the universe where you ceased to exist.
02:48:08.000It was a terrifying trip because you absolutely thought you were dead.
02:48:12.000Like you absolutely cease to exist and you became one with everything and it's a very weird non-visual experience.
02:48:19.000Whereas DMT is filled with all these patterns and this beautiful feeling that you get.
02:48:24.000The 5-MeO DMT is like this powerful white geometry.
02:48:28.000It's all just pale white and all these weird sort of microscopic fractal geometric patterns that are sort of dancing around you but all almost invisible.
02:48:41.000What do you think Is typically the benefit of a psychedelic?
02:48:45.000I think there's a lot of benefits to any experience and extreme experiences give you more benefits You you take in more data knowing that that psychedelic experience is possible Just knowing that that experience that you can hit You can hit that note that you can get into that that dimension and whatever the fuck it is in a psychedelic experience It makes you look at the reality that is unchanging around you without drugs and it makes you go.
02:49:14.000Like, there's another thing that you can get to really easily.
02:49:16.000You can get to this other thing really easily.
02:49:18.000And although it's not regular every day, drive-through Starbucks, stuck in traffic, waiting for your phone call, you know, alarm goes off in the morning, you don't want to get up.
02:49:29.000It's not that world, but it's still an accessible world that's right there that's mind-blowing.
02:49:42.000To me, the most important element for change in a person's consciousness.
02:49:48.000When you are shown that there is a higher bar, or you're shown that there are other possibilities, more illuminating possibilities, because a lot of times you can live in a world where your vision of reality that's given to you,
02:50:04.000and that you're privy to on a daily basis, is so limited.
02:50:39.000I think you learn from that just like you learn from education and I don't think it's I don't think they're mutually exclusive and I think that they combine together for a balanced person a person who tries to do and tries to accomplish difficult things along with becoming educated the problem is that this whole competitive thing that arises amongst people where you want to be the best at something like we were talking about which sort of defines you in this way that requires a lot of tunnel vision and And it requires you to not be
02:51:11.000You know, one of the things I had a problem with when I was teaching, when I teach martial arts, I noticed that smart people were way more nervous before fights.
02:51:20.000And I was like, oh, I see what's going on.
02:51:25.000Like, whereas these dumb people that you would teach or the people that weren't as smart or weren't as curious, they didn't have nearly as much of a problem with competing.
02:52:14.000You've got to be able to shut that down.
02:52:16.000That's why when they ask great athletes to describe what was going on in their mind when they got that ball over the end zone, it's invariably kind of disappointing because they never really know how to explain it.
02:52:27.000What they say is, I just knew I had to get the football across the line and we just executed and my team was there.
02:54:31.000But there's a lot of free solo climb dudes that see the stuff that he does, and even old-school climbers, they go, it's not a matter of if.
02:56:02.000I just want to know what his body type is.
02:56:08.000I think he's real light and long and thin and strong for that kind of stuff because he does it all the time and he just knows how to climb and he knows what he's doing and he stays super calm while he does it.
02:56:18.000That's one of the things that he emphasized.
02:56:40.000But I mean, he's made this name by being this guy who does the dangerous, scary climbing stuff that nobody wants to do.
02:56:46.000When I read that book, The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Masashi, like I got the same sense that that was the experiential, like his life, the margin for error in a sword fight, and also he said how you practice has to be almost life and death,
02:57:02.000like until you're no longer doing it, like the extreme notion of living always on the edge.
02:57:12.000And that feels like the exact same path, mindset, and probably result.
02:57:20.000I don't know if God forbid he dies, but it would be interesting to see sort of when that becomes necessity or that becomes, I guess, How you, or what you crave, this sort of intimate relationship between life and death.
02:57:38.000Yeah, I think what he craves is doing it.
02:57:43.000Knowing that there's a massive risk behind it, but still being able to execute flawlessly.
02:57:47.000Like, that's what he craves, you know?
02:57:49.000And instead of it being a sword coming at him that he has to check, instead of that, it's him figuring out how to climb a 45-degree face that's hanging 2,000 feet above the ground, or whatever the fuck that is.
02:58:00.000How many feet do you think that is, above the ground?
02:58:01.000When you look down, you see those trees in the background?