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00:01:13.000No, they do stuff like Game of Thrones jerseys and all this crazy stuff, and they're just like, hey, you do a lot of talks and you always wear a jersey, so we're just going to start sending you a jersey.
00:04:21.000Yeah, imagine if, like, everybody in the media was just getting a check to make sure that you keep perpetrating the lie that the earth is round.
00:05:11.000Well, and there was one person, God, what was his name?
00:05:16.000So he came into the bar that I bartend at now, and he was talking about it briefly, and he's like, yeah, you know, I heard you on the Joe Rogan program, and it was really cool, and you know, he's like, not really cool with conspiracy theorists and all that.
00:05:30.000And I'm like, no, he gives them, like, equal time.
00:05:33.000He's like, yeah, the whole flat earth thing.
00:06:00.000Well, a long time ago when we had guys like Richard Hoagland doing the Face on Mars and crazy shit like that, or like early creationists or flood geology or flatter things way in the back, you know, in the backwards time...
00:06:17.000Science would always like shove it off into a corner and go, hey, see the cranks over there?
00:06:42.000We didn't shut them down early enough and now they're loud enough That we have a problem.
00:06:49.000Well, Hoagland is out of his fucking mind.
00:06:53.000I watched a whole lecture where he was talking about all of the artificial structures on the moon, and this guy just, he just like arbitrarily measures the distance between this rock and the point of this pyramid, it's not a pyramid, but he would call it a pyramid, right?
00:07:07.000The distance between this rock is exactly the same distance as the pyramid in Giza, the connection to the left foot of the Sphinx, and like, how do you, why?
00:07:38.000It was more than an hour long, and I was watching all these ridiculous connections that this guy was making and trying to say that all these structures, that the odds of them being, you know, some sort of a natural...
00:07:48.000And I'm looking at it, I'm like, that looks like a fucking rock to me.
00:07:50.000And he was saying, there's, without a doubt, that is an artificially created structure, absolutely made by intelligent life...
00:07:56.000That was the thing with the whole face on Mars when the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter started doing the flyovers, and then he was getting louder.
00:08:04.000Why aren't you going to photograph the Cydonian planes?
00:08:22.000What's interesting to me, far more interesting than the face, because the face was cool in the first picture because of the shadows and it kind of almost looked like a face.
00:08:31.000And it was also a low-res picture from Viking.
00:08:33.000And then when they got high-res pictures, you go, oh, well, it's just a trick of the shadows and everything.
00:08:37.000What's kind of interesting is what does happen sometimes in nature, you get these bizarre shapes.
00:10:09.000The third one is solar radiation management to, you know, to either make global warming or to stop global warming and they fight with each other.
00:12:53.000It's a growing movement where people don't think dinosaurs were real.
00:12:56.000Well, so it was like last year or the year before, I think maybe right after I did the show last time, there was this bogus group that started a Facebook thing called Christians Against Dinosaurs.
00:13:10.000And they put, like, pictures of a protest and all of their, like, oh no, it's Big Paleo?
00:15:14.000Yeah, see if you can find that, Jamie, because it's pretty cool.
00:15:16.000But, you know, they go with all these wild, crazy colors of feathers.
00:15:20.000It's like, it's almost too bad we can't figure out what they really looked like, because we're just kind of piecing together their skin texture and just guessing on the colors.
00:15:29.000Every once in a while, we'll find something awesome.
00:15:31.000Like, there was the mummified hadrosaur Leonardo that actually had...
00:15:36.000Skin and organs that like soft tissue that mineralized and all this cool stuff or feather imprints from Archaeopteryx.
00:16:57.000But then you've got things that can fall into peat bogs, natural trap caves, tar pits like here in LA, and all sorts of other things that create fossils, which are really cool.
00:17:09.000So it's not just mineralization through water.
00:17:17.000Depending on the limestone, the amount of limestone in the dripping, like you can, there was somebody that like left a boot in a heavily limestone water cave and it calcified like in a matter of weeks.
00:20:30.000Because, I mean, it's a little different hitting a mammoth that was 30,000 years old, like I did in Siberia, and a 65.5 million year old, 20 foot long, like, walking death machine.
00:21:14.000However, there's a possibility we could find something like a mummified one, like maybe the skin had enough iron content in it and the soil to preserve the soft tissue of the skin and mineralize the skin instead of it desiccating.
00:21:30.000Maybe there was that one-in-a-billion chance that it fell in the right spot and got covered super quick before desiccating into bone.
00:21:41.000Now, when they go on an expedition, say if you're going to Montana, and you're looking at the Great Western Inland Sea and those areas, and you're trying to find some sort of a fossil, how do you pick where you start digging?
00:22:00.000So we know worldwide there's this tiny layer of iridium.
00:22:04.000It's the Alvarez layer, where the iridium was deposited on the planet when the Chicxulub impactor, that seven-mile asteroid, hit the Yucatan Peninsula, blew everything up, killed everything in conjunction with volcanism and all that.
00:23:13.000And we find a bone, and we're like, okay, it sticks to the tongue, it's a fossil.
00:23:17.000Then let's look upslope, and we find a bone scatterer, and then we kind of sweep away from some dirt, and like, oh, holy shit, there's a broken bone.
00:23:57.000During the dig season, which is generally late spring to very very early fall, You've got, let's see, the Royal Ontario Museum had a dig out in Alberta with the Cleveland Museum.
00:27:07.000It was because of agriculture, because they found things like wheat and barley and rye and simple grasses and all that they eat, and went, hey, if we take this with us, we can plant it.
00:27:19.000Yeah, or if we stay put, it seems to be growing here.
00:28:08.000Go out to the Sonora Desert and do your deal out there because if you're really going to do this diet, don't use a car, don't use a computer, don't use it.
00:30:11.000The study of the past, of trying to piece together all these bones and slowly but surely put together a puzzle of what life was like before people came around, it's really important, isn't it?
00:30:26.000I mean, isn't it kind of an overlooked and underappreciated aspect of science?
00:30:32.000Paleontology, the study of ancient life, that's our deal.
00:30:35.000We want to see how we got here, like pre-humans.
00:30:40.000We want to see what life was like going all the way back to the dawn of time, the beginning of the earth.
00:30:46.000Because it gives us an idea of how things change on this planet and how things evolve on it.
00:30:53.000The keys to the past are needed in order to open the doors of the future, I used to say.
00:30:59.000If we know how animals acted, the predator-prey relationships, different ways that these animals were evolving and living on the planet and how the planet changed because of that, because paleontology also deals with paleoclimate, paleobotany, so like old plants,
00:31:17.000We're looking into the past of this earth.
00:31:20.000When we're digging in the Ordovician period or the Cambrian, we're looking back, we're opening a time capsule 500 million, like half a billion years.
00:31:35.000It's hard to, like, if you don't do it, if you're not into, like, astrophysics, paleontology, geology, and stuff like that, it's hard to get a grasp on what timescale we're talking about.
00:31:46.000We as humans are an eye blink in the geological record of the planet.
00:31:54.000If you were to stretch that all out, the entire history of the Earth on an 88-foot measurement, we would be the thickness of a piece of paper at the very end.
00:32:04.000All of human history, 200,000 years of evolution, from walking upright and planting shit and domesticating animals, all the way to ISS, you know, in orbit.
00:32:16.000All of that, piece of paper at the end of an 88-foot-long ribbon.
00:32:21.000It's crazy to think about how much went on before us.
00:32:26.000That's what's so cool about paleontology.
00:32:28.000It seems like the scale is, for our dumb little brains, it's really difficult to reference it.
00:32:35.000It's really difficult to put it into perspective.
00:32:39.000To think of something 65 million years ago.
00:32:41.000You're like, oh, well, that was a long time ago.
00:32:43.000Well, it was so long ago that people used to be moles.
00:33:25.000There was one place where they were still alive.
00:33:27.000Around 4,000 BC. What killed them on that one island?
00:33:31.000Either overhunting or dramatic climate change, because glaciers were receding, and they could have out-competed themselves.
00:33:40.000And if they didn't have a stable enough population for genetics...
00:33:44.000You'll breed yourselves out of existence.
00:33:46.000Is there a possibility there's any species that we thought were extinct that are still kicking around like in the Congo or something like that?
00:34:21.000Rattlesnakes, horned lizards, birds that are still kicking around today.
00:34:26.000There are species that survived the Ice Age because...
00:34:30.000As the glaciers receded, and as the climate changed, and as the predator-prairie relationships changed, it's harder for a saber-toothed cat to go after a horse or a rabbit or anything like that.
00:34:45.000The smaller animals that were able to out-compete them It's lived on.
00:34:50.000It's natural selection in a heartbeat.
00:34:52.000You evolved, you know, the animals adapt to the surroundings that leads to evolutionary patterns, which leads to a species either dying if they're fit too much of a niche, or continuing if they're more broad or more focused on the environment that they're adapting to.
00:36:32.000Speaking of Cthulhu, did you ever see, you know, there's always been those rumors or stories of the Kraken, the legends of the Kraken, of gigantic octopus.
00:36:43.000Did you ever see those fossils that they found of enormous suction cups that they believed might have been a huge octopus type creature?
00:36:51.000I wanted to bring that up to you because this is something that's absolutely fascinated me because I know that they don't have any hard tissue other than their beaks.
00:37:00.000Their whole body is, you know, they're a mollusk.
00:38:04.000He specializes in trace fossils, like footprints, and what would it look like if a dinosaur threw up and leave that kind of pattern and all that.
00:38:50.000Human nature, all of us, especially, you know, you play the telephone game, like you tell a story and then somebody else tells that same, I heard it, blah, blah, blah.
00:38:59.000And then all of a sudden, you know, that was the bass you picked up and then that was the swordfish you got on the same trip.
00:39:07.000What if, what if like these, you know, ancient mariners were pulling up Humboldt squid or like six feet long and dangerous as hell and What if that suddenly got larger and larger?
00:39:22.000But maybe they also dredged up a colossal squid or a giant squid and things like that as well.
00:39:46.000Yeah, so the ears that would be on the sides, or the eye sockets on the sides, they thought were the ears, and the nasal opening for the trunk, they thought was the central eye.
00:39:59.000Because they have big, stubby hands, huge, recognizable things like femurs and ulnas and radii and fibulas and all that.
00:40:08.000Holy crap, it must be this giant, this 14-foot giant with a single eye.
00:41:42.000If I had that kind of money, it's like if I did Titanic and Avatar and all that, yeah, I would make my own little bathysphere and go down to the absolute bottom of the earth.
00:43:03.000There's a really fucking fascinating video of these guys.
00:43:07.000They are in some sort of a vessel, some sort of a submarine, and a whale comes up right next to it and checks it out real quick, and they start freaking out.
00:43:23.000To go that deep how the whole thing is those have to be small and very very thick in order to prevent You know explosion.
00:43:31.000Yeah It's like hey crush a beer can that's what happens and everything squirts out the amount of pressure 35,000 feet below the water that must be insane.
00:43:41.000Yeah It's what one atmosphere per Here it is check this out.
00:45:06.000I used to work at the Aquarium of the Pacific way back in the day.
00:45:09.000And even that, just like diving off of Blue Cavern in Catalina or, you know, walking out into the surf at Leo Carrillo or something like that or doing La Jolla or the golf.
00:45:24.000And, like, I don't know how many of the millions of people that listen to your show have actually, like, not swam in a pool, but, like, put on gear in order to survive in an alien environment.
00:46:44.000It was a sub-orderable satellite launch with a cargo ship to the ISS or putting a satellite in orbit and then lands vertically a reusable space frame.
00:47:10.000Did parachute aero-breaking, jettisoned everything, and then it was lowered on a fucking crane from a flying sky crane thing, and then touched down and then disconnected and flew off.
00:47:27.000A nuclear-powered rover was descended to another planet on a sky crane that was hovering with rockets.
00:49:04.000Well, he had so many different just groundbreaking discoveries and innovations and his initial idea to broadcast electricity wireless through the air like radio signals that we could all tune into.
00:49:37.000And funny enough, a lot of the flat-earth jackasses embrace him as, like...
00:49:42.000The whole thing, and he wanted free energy and all that.
00:49:44.000I'm like, yeah, by the way, all of his illustrations about, like, Wardenclyffe Tower and, you know, wireless energy and all that took place on a fucking globe.
00:54:02.000The reason why we didn't know about things beforehand, because we weren't doing shit like wholesale intellectual studies of science when people were building fucking pyramids and stuff like that.
00:54:16.000And throughout anthropological records, we have the broad age and iron age and all that, because we have to do things like figure out the land around us.
00:54:25.000And when we start finding really old bones, like, Hey, this looks like a really big chicken bone.
00:55:20.000Who's doing stupid things like all reptiles are mammals and all of these clades should be in this and just all this crap.
00:55:29.000He wholesale copied an article from a colleague of mine, posted it, Which is a violation of copyright because he's attempting to supersede that work by importing his own ideas to it.
00:55:43.000He will refuse any critical comments to be posted on his WordPress site.
00:57:06.000When the first animals were discovered in the La Brea tar pits before 1913, they thought it was livestock that got trapped in there and died.
00:57:15.000Then they realized, holy fuck, cows don't have nine inch long incisors that are perfectly evolved to slash open the throats of things.
00:57:54.000The problem with you, Eric, is you are starting from an improper position.
00:58:01.000You are starting on a confirmation bias.
00:58:04.000You are stating from the beginning that dinosaurs don't exist, and you are using pareidolia and apophenia, the ability for humans to find patterns, in order to fit your bullshit...
00:58:18.000And then only cherry pick what belongs.
00:58:22.000That's what he does with fucking Flat Earth.
00:58:24.000And the problem with this is, like I was saying earlier, because now the stupid minority has a voice...
00:58:32.000All, I don't know how many million people subscribe to his fucking channel.
00:58:36.000Every single flat earth dipshit is going to go 61,000 people.
01:05:01.000Turns out a lot of those dinosaurs were the same species that were previously discovered.
01:05:06.000So, oh, look, this sauropod femur looks a lot like that sauropod femur, but I found this slightly in a different place, so I'm going to name it a new species.
01:05:15.000Nope, turns out those are both brontosaurus or apatosaurus or triceratops or stegosaurs, anything like that.
01:05:22.000That is just an outright fucking lie that he just said.
01:05:27.000When things are discovered and it turns out that they're the same, it becomes taxonomically what's called a junior synonym.
01:05:35.000So, for example, Tyrannosaurus Rex had another name for a really long time.
01:05:42.000It's totally mega, mega, no, regardless.
01:05:46.000Whatever the first name for it was, was technically the first discovered name for it.
01:05:52.000But since Tyrannosaurus Rex became the more popular, the more documented, the more thing, That became a junior synonym, or that one actually became what we call nomum obscurum, or the obscure name, no longer talked about.
01:07:23.000So yeah, we will use 3D printing or casting of all that.
01:07:27.000Many, and yeah, I'm happily admitting this because everyone knows, or at least everyone should know, Many dinosaurs in museums are what we call conglomerates.
01:08:43.000It is wrapped in tissue paper, sometimes tinfoil.
01:08:46.000A shit ton of plaster and reinforcement is wrapped around it.
01:08:50.000Then it has to be very carefully slid down a mountain on a car hood in one time or airlifted out in another and put in the back of trucks and then taken all the way to its museum and then cracked open and then prepared.
01:09:03.000Everything has to get leafed off it very carefully, and we're adding more glue as we're going.
01:09:08.000Because if you sneeze wrong on some mineralized specimens, it goes away.
01:09:18.000So you have to work very carefully in a booth with an aerobrator, so you're shooting extremely fine particles, just to get the top millimeter of material off.
01:09:29.000This is hard, detailed work on things that are 65 plus million years old that if we're not careful, they fall apart.
01:09:38.000We are not going to wrap something like that in fucking steel and put it up on a mount, especially somewhere, I don't know, like Los Angeles, where things like earthquakes happen.
01:09:50.000Statements like that that he makes are just fucking irritating.
01:10:49.000There have been numerous dinosaurs, numerous prehistoric animals found on a guy's farm.
01:10:54.000By the way, there's an entire private area up in Bakersfield called Shark's Tooth Hill where they find Meg teeth, Megalodon teeth, all the fucking time.
01:12:56.000So it's perfectly fine to accidentally find ancient scrolls or silver denarii from the Roman period or a never-before-known pyramid in South America.
01:13:49.000He's trying to go, oh, well, you know, you can't find this stuff because it's super, super old, but you can find this stuff because it's younger, and it's humans, and, you know, people live there, so we'd expect stuff there.
01:16:25.000There are things called death traps and predator traps and sinkholes and natural trap caves and, I don't know, entire sand dunes falling on things while they're fighting the dueling dinosaurs.
01:16:37.000It's a protoceratops versus a velociraptor that was found in Mongolia because a fucking sand dune fell on them while they were tussling around because the V-Raptor wanted to eat the thing.
01:17:47.000He's using all this data that's actually factual about how many different people found how many different things, and he's decided this is proof...
01:17:56.000And all he does is put allegedly in front of it.
01:17:59.000It's like, no, sorry, over 6,000 specimens were found there.
01:19:14.000So, they say, they, not in the black man, you know, black helicopter they, but they as in the detractors, state...
01:19:24.000That paleontologists, like me, will create a fossil, whether it's like a cast, or will just make one up.
01:19:33.000And on these expeditions, we go out and we actually bury it and uncover it and make the news and all that.
01:19:42.000Well, if that was true, Eric, why is it that when we find something, say in, I don't know, 2008?
01:19:52.000It's not usually written about until, say, 2012. And that's just a single note in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I guarantee you've never read.
01:20:04.000Or it's done as a poster at the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I will absolutely guarantee you've never been to.
01:20:11.000And then, the fossil's still in prep at that point.
01:20:13.000We haven't done all the research on it.
01:20:18.000If we are going out and investing all of this money In order to make these fakes and bury them and pay all of these people to shut them up and huge excavations like that, we would kind of want to recoup that money as fast as possible and immediately dump it to the news and get paid for spokesmanships and all of that.
01:20:55.000If we were making all this money and making all this fame, why are there paleontologists out of a job?
01:21:02.000Why do I know a dozen monitors that don't have work right now?
01:21:06.000Why are there museums that have a problem actually getting a budget to get an excavation going?
01:21:13.000That they have to use private donors, that they have to use their board of directors, that they have to go from a county museum to a foundation non-profit.
01:21:24.000This is such a line of fucking bullshit that, I mean, that pisses me off because his simple statements are looping in thousands and tens of thousands of employees and museums and all of that worldwide.
01:21:38.000This would be one of the largest conspiracies ever, other than, I don't know, moon hoaxes and NASA. Flat Earth.
01:22:27.000If that's true, then why do dinosaurs become passe?
01:22:32.000Why does somebody like me, who has been on, I don't know, 13, 14 different television shows talking about paleontology, geology, and all that, I have pitched live dig stuff to BBC and all of that.
01:22:47.000I'm consulting on a couple projects right now.
01:25:00.000Because we follow each other, we DM each other, and all of a sudden, in my feed, it's like, I have you on note, because we're both verified.
01:25:15.000I mean, like, you know, the podcast and, like, fight commentary and UFC stuff and, like, with your, with, like, Triggered coming out and all that, that's one thing.
01:26:05.000I mean, I think you could gain a lot from sitting down with a guy like this and just sort of picking him apart, because you would realize what he was wrong about, and instead of him being able to just spout off on a YouTube video, he would be checked at every step of the way whenever he said something incorrect.
01:26:20.000Yes, but the problem is, the only reason why I would do that, he will never change his mind.
01:27:10.000We don't do it to try and convince the big mouthpieces for these movements.
01:27:16.000We're trying to go for the people that aren't quite sure.
01:27:19.000If we embarrass the living fuck out of these people, those people will go, wow, those guys are idiots.
01:27:25.000Why did I even consider that the world is flat or that dinosaurs didn't exist or creationism exists or chemtrails or Nibiru fucking rogue planets and shit like that?
01:28:48.000But if you do the math, so this rogue planet supposedly has like a orbital period of 3600 years and it goes out, I think it was like 50 AU or something like 50 distances from the Earth to the Sun.
01:29:00.000Yeah, the orbital velocity of that would be in excess of 42.1 kilometers a second, which is the escape velocity of the solar system.
01:29:07.000Any sort of gravitational protuberance that, or sorry, a problem that would have as it approached, I don't know, Pluto or the, uh, or the QPA belt or anything, the orc cloud or anything like that.
01:29:21.000The slightest bit of gravitation would launch it out of the solar system on a who the fuck knows where it's going trajectory.
01:29:28.000There's no way a planet the size of fucking Neptune is cruising in and right behind the sun on a counter orbit to us.
01:29:38.000So according to them, The Earth has stopped rotating.
01:31:04.000They also know that the way the Kuiper Belt responds and then the galactic shelf, the way it ends, it seems to indicate something of a large mass that's outside there.
01:33:59.000But it's along the same lines as you want to be just like scientists.
01:34:03.000We want to find something that's never been found before and name it after ourselves or a Ludvon or really cool scientists of the past and discover a new species or discover a new planet or send a fucking rocket to Mars.
01:35:01.000I think there's like a little bit of a hump to the Earth.
01:35:03.000I would like to make a very public challenge that any flat Earther advocate, if you show me a photo of Polaris with a timestamp and GPS coordinates of Australia...
01:35:59.000And if you go further out, it's a scoop.
01:36:02.000So why would it be like a cigar ashtray?
01:36:05.000This is what it is, like a cigar ashtray that's floating in the sky?
01:36:09.000That's based on biblical, because you have the quote-unquote four corners of the earth held aloft by angels, your flat motion is through space.
01:39:00.000A NASA shill for both moon hoaxing and Nibiru.
01:39:04.000Yeah, so I freaked a lot of people out because when I got the sticker pack and all that from the Team Chemtrail guys, I also got patches and a challenge coin.
01:39:50.000And the water, it was crazy because he was saying, you know, that this water shows proof that aluminum's in the water and they're spraying aluminum in the sky and then it lands in the water.
01:39:58.000What he tested, and that has been debunked, Mick West has ripped that shit apart on Metabunk.
01:40:53.000They find one tiny little fragment of something that fits in their...
01:41:00.000Fucked up worldview and wrap their entire paradigm around it and they make videos and they make videos and then they Monitor the comments and delete anyone who disagrees with them or they are enforcing an echo chamber of Bullshit self-awareness.
01:41:16.000I mean, yeah, you're not woke as fuck.
01:41:20.000Well, yeah, no because there's a way There is a way to be woke as fuck.
01:41:25.000Okay, please tell me how well Okay, look at you dude.
01:41:29.000You're fit as you're fit as fuck you um the entire point of your podcast is you're Interviewing people because you want to know things you constantly look for information that is noble and you make informed decisions you You use substances to get into states.
01:42:19.000I would be rooting for this lady with the chip in her head to be right.
01:42:22.000Right, but that's why I'm doing that History Channel show, Doomsday.
01:42:26.000We get questions like, hey, what would happen if an asteroid hits the planet that, like, the same size it killed the dinosaurs, if it hit right now?
01:42:35.000Last week was the Rogue Planet episode.
01:42:37.000What if a planet the size of Neptune rolls into the solar system on a collision course of Earth?
01:43:18.000Depending on the scale, if it was like superpowers, like old school war games, fucking Cold War, Khrushchev, Kennedy shit, yeah, we're all screwed.
01:45:09.000Read the ninth book of Plato's Republic.
01:45:12.000You are basically illustrated in it, and you are the most unfit person to ever run for president, and that includes dudes like Deez Nuts and all of that.
01:45:29.000There was some guy that named himself Deez Nuts and said, I'm running for president and all that.
01:45:34.000Or the time cube guy ran for president once.
01:45:37.000I'm hoping that what's going to go on with this election is that Trump is so ridiculous that a guy like him got so far with as much baggage as he has, as much skeletons in the closet, as much not paying taxes, fucking over small businesses,
01:46:47.000As much as I deplore anything that Donald Trump said in that video about pussy grabbing and all that crap, if I was on the bus with him, and it was just me and Donald, and we didn't think we were being recorded, and he started talking crazy like that,
01:47:10.000And when people are talking crazy, sometimes I want to hear.
01:47:12.000If someone wants to tell me that they've been abducted by aliens, they've traveled back through time, and their DNA is being propagated on other planets, and the reason why is because they're from a select group of humans that have existed since the beginning of time, and that their DNA,
01:47:27.000even though it looks like everybody else's, is different, I'll let that guy talk.
01:47:30.000Just like I'll let this pussy grab an asshole talk.
01:48:53.000She was wonderful because she was like the first example of this anti-intellectualism on display but other than Bush of course but running for president running to be the king of the world and like being one of us being one of us right we're all together the working-class folks the blue-collar Joe lunchbox Yeah,
01:49:13.000and all the cosplay-triots got right behind that.
01:49:16.000And all those, you know, Gears of War, Medal of Honor playing motherfuckers that have like AR-15s and like, yeah, we're going to go take over a wildlife reserve up in Oregon and all that.
01:49:30.000These are the people that are behind Trump right now.
01:49:32.000Yeah, that Oregon stuff was very confusing.
01:49:35.000I had to really pay attention to what's going on with that.
01:49:38.000You have to pay to use federal land to graze your cattle on.
01:49:47.000The entire United States people own that land.
01:49:51.000Yes, and the BLM is the recognized authority in order to monitor that land.
01:49:57.000And the BLM is one of the lowest paid So they need those licenses and fines and all that in order to function and in order to do things like build fencing and allow places like all the national parks and BLM land and all that in order for us to enjoy that.
01:51:19.000We think that a couple researchers have considered that the expanse of the antique bison, bison antiquus, and the longhorn bison, pison latifrons, When they came across the Bering Sea and got into North America with the recession of the glaciers,
01:51:37.000they out-competed mammoths, they out-competed a lot of natural grazing herbivores because they eat faster, they're larger, they breed quicker, they can basically terraform an area of, they can eat saplings from trees and grass.
01:52:25.000Yeah, it's amazing to me that they didn't embrace the bison as more of a domestic animal in that sense because it's so much more robust than a cow.
01:52:34.000I mean, obviously cows are great and everything like that, but you can't tell me that bison meat doesn't taste great.
01:53:52.000They're trying to buy up giant chunks of private land in the Montana, Wyoming area, and they're trying to build a park even larger than Yellowstone.
01:54:05.000And what they're trying to do is sort of have it this national park where there's a robust supply of bison, wolves...
01:54:18.000Coyotes, all these different things, and they're spending a lot of money, and they're also running block management on it, which means they're going to open it up to hunters as well.
01:54:28.000And they're trying to take these areas of private land, buy them up, and then slowly convert it into a gigantic public park.
01:54:38.000That they think, you know, as far as like with the animals that have survived, that will in some way mimic the original, what they call American Serengeti.
01:55:37.000I think what they're trying to do is they're looking at what happened in Africa.
01:55:41.000Like, in Africa, instead of large-scale agriculture the way we've embraced that in the United States, for most people, they think about food, you know, they go to the store, they go to the grocery store, they go to the vegetable aisle, they get their food.
01:56:03.000And we think of large-scale agriculture, large-scale ag-gag laws that refer to factory farming and things along those lines.
01:56:12.000We don't think of factory farming in terms of vegetables, but even that itself has had a devastating effect on On different parts of this country where it's just the soil has been completely depleted of minerals.
01:56:24.000It needs to be constantly replenished with exogenous minerals every day.
01:56:28.000But when you look at what they did in Africa, they sort of decided to take these parks and convert them into these enormous wildlife preserves.
01:56:37.000And so these animals exist more or less in a very similar state to the way they've done thousands of years ago.
01:56:43.000Like the Okavango Delta Reserve and all that.
01:56:47.000But are they importing animals into it?
01:56:49.000Yeah, see, I don't know what they're gonna do as far as bring in animals, but what they've done in terms of, you know, like what they've done in Yellowstone when they brought in wolves.
01:56:58.000I'll say, although this region was once known for its abundance of wildlife, current wildlife populations are greatly diminished.
01:58:09.000Yeah, so they are re-importing animals.
01:58:13.000So how are the 120-year absence bison over the last 11 years impacting the cougar, the swift fox, the pronghorn, the black-footed ferrets, the grassland birds, all that that's like...
01:58:26.000I want to know more before I would sign off on something like that.
01:58:37.000What is their current birth to death ratio?
01:58:40.000How are they impacting A place that they haven't been for 120 years.
01:58:46.000120 years for a lot of animal species is a very short amount of time.
01:58:49.000For others, it's just the right amount of time to start really adapting to an environment and establishing an entirely new predator-prey relationship with things there.
01:58:58.000All of a sudden, you put in this monstrous fucking three-ton cow beast That could screw a lot of things up.
01:59:07.000Yeah, I mean, they require a lot of food, a lot of resources.
01:59:11.000And we've seen what happens when they've done things like this, well, particularly with wolves in Yellowstone.
01:59:17.000It's been really fascinating to see what the impact it's had on animals and how the animals have sort of shifted where they live and behave.
01:59:25.000It's so cool, but it's also like, man, what a cautionary tale.
01:59:30.000We're kind of like playing creator in a lot of ways by introducing these things.
01:59:34.000We have a big debate going on that right now in paleontology.
01:59:58.000I have talked to, while I was in Siberia a couple years ago, I talked to some of the leading geneticists from South Korea, like In Sung Lang and all those guys, and they're saying maybe 50 years, because...
02:00:12.000The way the cloning has to happen, we have to find viable DNA, a complete individual genome, plant that into, for woolly mammoths specifically, plant that into the nearest living relative, which is the Asian elephant.
02:00:25.000That means we have to harvest an egg from a female Asian elephant, which is difficult to do.
02:00:30.000We would have to harvest many eggs because Dolly the sheep had like 870 some odd tries before 12 stuck and one was born.
02:01:37.000I think this technology would be better used, and not being a genetics expert or geneticist at all, I think it would be better used for actual human interactive deaths, dodos, MOA, Tasmanian tigers, passenger pigeons,
02:01:54.000things we have Specimens of now that would be easier to do, like they're working on passenger pigeons right now with the, I think it's the three-barred pigeon, maybe just the bard pigeon.
02:02:42.000The dinosaurs, the early placental mammals, Tiktaalik, all of that going way back in time, and things like the woolly mammoth or the saber-toothed cat, or the steppe mammoth, or the stegomacedon or macedons.
02:08:20.000And when the Isthmus of Panama, when Panama rose up and connected the two continents together, you had just this awesome transition of life, like llamas and birds and big cats and that back and forth.
02:08:36.000That's also why the pronghorn antelope is so fast.
02:08:39.000They're so much faster than anything that could catch it today because they lived and they evolved in a time where there was like cheetah-like cats.
02:08:47.000Yeah, morassinonyx, the American cheetah.
02:11:15.000But the biological definition of species does kind of break down because it depends whether it's an environmental species or if it's a genealogical species.
02:12:43.000The white and black ones that you see, they're either banded or striped.
02:12:47.000The banded ones, the ones with the horizontal across their bodies, they tend to stay curled up underneath bushes in the desert.
02:12:56.000So as they're white and black, yeah, there we go.
02:13:00.000So the banded ones like that, they stay curled under trees because as the sunlight is coming through, it's creating bands across the earth so they blend in.
02:13:12.000The striped ones move more so the shadows are longer.
02:16:44.000I never even got through the first one.
02:16:46.000I'm like, 45 minutes in the first one, my eyes are sweating, my head's shaking.
02:16:51.000I remember when those came out in bookstores, the actual book series, I was walking by, I'm probably buying a Neil Gaiman book or something like that, like comics or some cool sci-fi fantasy stuff, and I saw that, and I'm like, what?
02:21:04.000I think it's going to bypass all of our biological limitations.
02:21:07.000I think technological innovation is going to bypass the biological limitations, and we're going to live in some sort of an augmented reality, augmented by technology.
02:21:17.000I think we're going to accept that, and I think we're going to dive into that, and then once that happens, I think slowly but surely, just like the difference between what we know today versus what we knew or people knew 2,000 years ago is pretty goddamn radical, but when you think about 2,000 years in terms of the Earth,
02:21:46.000The time frame between the Wright brothers first powered flight and landing on the moon and then from landing on the moon to the space shuttle to the ISS. Now we have vertical landing rockets, nuke powered rovers with lasers doing science on a different planet and we have two probes Rapidly exiting the solar system,
02:24:01.000When they come in, and you just, like, set the perfect thing, and they come back with something stupid, and you just fucking grab them by the back of the neck and go, WHAM! And they're done!
02:25:18.000Magic words can't explain strange fossil.
02:25:21.000Once upon a time, only a single Italian fossil, a crushed specimen that paleontologists had to reconstruct, represented the extinct reptile...
02:25:37.000Now, a team of American scientists describe a new Drapanosaurus specimen from New Mexico.
02:25:42.000Instead of fingers, it had a massive claw in each hand, and its curling tail was claw-tipped.
02:25:48.000These features have evolutionists scratching their heads over where it came from and why it looks more like a particular living mammal than a reptile.
02:27:00.000I'm not talking about, like, actual, like, aromatherapy things or things that actually, like, single concentrations of arnica that actually can be used as an anti-inflammatory.
02:27:09.000I'm talking, like, the sugar pill belladonna things that you take because...
02:27:14.000Your chi is messed up, and you have a pain in your ankles, so you get, like, pig bladder and belladonna together, and you're just taking, like, 40 grams of soluble glucose in a sugar pill.
02:28:58.000I had a good friend of mine who I really respect telling me that astrology is real, that he conducts an astrologer before he does anything that's important, and he won't do things that the astrologer tells him that could be dangerous or could be problems coming in the future.
02:30:21.000If you work it enough and magicians have the type of mentality and patience and discipline to do this over and over and over again, shuffling cards a thousand times a day until it's just rote memorization, they can do that with cold reading.
02:32:05.000And, you know, bending spoons like that, yeah.
02:32:07.000So they just rub it and the gallium just sort of bends.
02:32:11.000Or there's a way to pinch it between your fingers and start rubbing it and you're actually working it back and forth just a little bit like bending a key.
02:34:48.000Yeah, there's a lot of those fuckheads out there, but again, just like the Flat Earth people and all this other nonsense, I think they're gonna exist less and less in the future.
02:34:58.000You know, I think that what we're seeing right now in terms of confirmation bias, I think that's all gonna be eradicated, because I think what we're dealing with now is very limited mediums of writing things down, typing things, making videos about things.
02:35:10.000All these things are incredibly limited.
02:35:23.000I've been trying to pay attention to what he predicts and what he's thinking is going to be coming down the pipe in 2045. You look at guys like him and all these futurists that are predicting all these emergent technologies are going to completely change and revamp the way we communicate.
02:35:43.000I think we're on the verge of a storm, an innovation storm that's going to render the landscape almost unrecognizable.
02:35:51.000I think we're just a decade or two away from just massive, massive shifts.
02:35:55.000It brings me back to, you know, I don't believe that the Mayans were correct, that December 21st, 2012 was the end of the world, but it is fascinating when you see the Kali Yugas and all the different...
02:36:08.000The different ancient civilizations that predicted cycles and cycles of humanity.
02:36:13.000And it kind of seems like there's something to that.
02:36:16.000Like maybe almost like you can kind of predict a sort of a time period where people accumulate a bunch of information, make life safer for each other, but then get soft, soft and sort of sloppy because life got safe and then you get lazy and then,
02:36:34.000you know, All sorts of weird behavior.
02:36:38.000Like, that's what we always thought about Rome, right?
02:37:40.000The Vatican is the dopest shit I've ever seen in my life.
02:37:43.000It's so insanely massive and spectacular, and the construction is just so mind-blowing.
02:37:50.000The fact that they did all this without power tools, they did all over the course of hundreds of years, they built these amazing, massive structures.
02:37:58.000I did the same thing in Israel a couple years ago, like going to Jerusalem and seeing, holy shit, this is like, Herod built this.
02:38:13.000And walking through the different quarters in Jerusalem and everything, and almost walking up the wrong stairs in the Muslim quarter to get to the Dome on the Rock, I didn't know where I was.
02:39:09.000The religious aspect and spiritual aspect to me is completely irrelevant.
02:39:15.000If there's, you cannot prove nor deny that there is any kind of, you know, outside force or, you know, 3-0 being and all of that, I don't, I honestly don't give a shit.
02:39:26.000If I die and all of a sudden it's like, oops, sorry, okay, you know, I admit, I was wrong, send me to hell, sorry.
02:41:39.000There used to be these skeptic societies, and then they got weird, and then they got all social justice warrior-y, and then they started accusing each other of raping each other because they were having sex while they were drunk, and it all got madness.
02:44:29.000That super intelligent dinosaur crushes that little thing that they're in, but they manage to slip out the bottom and the dinosaur doesn't see, and then they run off.
02:51:02.000I mean, I think it's a real thing, for sure, but I think really what we should concentrate on, instead of concentrating on getting white people to kowtow and to bow down to the fact they have privilege, to just eliminate racism from the world, which I think is entirely a possible thing in our lifetimes.
02:51:21.000It's totally possible, but the problem with that is we have to come to terms with being privileged.
02:51:58.000We have an issue with police officers, first of all, because I don't think, I think there's almost no one who is qualified to be a police officer.
02:52:05.000I think it's an insanely difficult job.
02:52:37.000It's an incredibly difficult psychological endeavor to try to take on the task of being the voice of the law or the arm of the law and to go out and to treat people with respect and dignity and to not be terrified at every fucking traffic stop.
02:52:58.000And then there's also the problem with the communities that we've allowed these terribly disenfranchised and impoverished communities to stay exactly the way they are, without pumping federal funds into them, without trying to clean them up, without trying to figure out a way to elevate people in these areas.
02:53:14.000We want them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
02:53:16.000And without doing it with gentrification, without going in there because, hey, that's where the rent is currently cheap.
02:53:22.000And taking over those areas and forcing out lower rent families that can't make enough money.
02:53:28.000Yeah, well that's like a sneaky thing that people do.
02:53:49.000And then those people that are on assisted funding or people that have limited access to funds because of jobs and all that, they get pushed out of those areas and they create concentrated areas of very low middle class to low class poverty,
02:55:33.000You do this fucking five times a week.
02:55:36.000But the numbers that this podcast will reach in comparison to the numbers that reached two years ago, dude, you're going to hit millions of people right now.
02:58:49.000Hashtag yes all women, hashtag not all hipsters.
02:58:53.000There are a select few that are the stereotypical hipster of like, you know, it's like, oh, you know, I liked them before they were cool and shit like that.