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00:00:18.000Do you know how fucking badass Nietzsche felt when he said that for the first time, where he was like, God is dead, when it meant something?
00:00:26.000Like, now you say it, and people are like, whatever.
00:00:53.000Well, I'm always like one day I'm gonna really get into his work.
00:00:56.000Oh man, he's a he's good cuz he gets into your fucking head man because he like Carl Jung will get in your head, but it's more subtle whereas like Nietzsche like you're reading you ever read any Philip K Dick?
00:01:07.000Yes So you know how like you're getting on top of 1882. Wow.
00:01:12.000With Philip K. Dick, he was kind of crazy, but he was a genius.
00:01:16.000So when you read his fiction, it's like you stop reading it and you feel a little crazy for a second because something about the way he's writing just isn't normal.
00:02:16.000He had some crazy fucking theories that he pitched that I've seen scientists, especially the doubling of the human brain size one, that was a really fascinating theory that he had.
00:02:29.000See, I'm not sure if he was right in terms of the climatological data, but his contention, for those of you who are aware of it, was that monkeys had come down from the trees and they experimented with new food sources, and they started flipping over cow patties to get to bugs,
00:02:45.000And along the line, they discovered psilocybin mushrooms.
00:02:48.000And he thinks that the grasslands, the rainforest becoming grasslands, The changing climate led to these chimps, these monkeys, whatever our ancestors were, led to them becoming more experimental.
00:03:03.000And that could be coincided with a bunch of different things that they know about mushrooms, or it could be sort of confirmed with a bunch of different things.
00:03:11.000One with that mushrooms increase visual acuity.
00:04:09.000Yeah, it's Visual acuity in the periphery, right?
00:04:15.000So it's like expanding your peripheral vision by a tiny, tiny little bit.
00:04:20.000Yeah, I don't even know if the test pertained to periphery only.
00:04:23.000It might have been peripherally as well because I do remember that one specific task, that one specific thing where they were trying to figure out How quickly you could recognize when an angle's changed and you could do it quicker when you were high.
00:04:45.000The creativity aspect of it, there's that, you know, like the tapping into alternative ways of thinking and that would lead to a lot of innovation and And it's also possible that...
00:04:58.000It's really possible that psilocybin, in some ways, is a nutrient.
00:06:11.000Well, yeah, I mean, I think it is pretty safe, a safe bet that monkeys, or what, I mean, monkey isn't the right word, proto-hominids, right, who are wandering the plains are gonna like, if we're omnivores, we're definitely gonna be eating whatever we can find that gives us nutrition,
00:06:30.000that has nutritional value, especially if you're out in the hunt, you're hungry, the thing you're hunting, shitting, food is growing out of its shit.
00:07:21.000It says psilocybin mushrooms stimulate the growth of brain cells.
00:07:25.000Psychedelic mushrooms have already had a reputation for helping people open their minds and broaden their perspectives in the world Some have shown the ability to combat mental disorders like depression anxiety and now research is showing that magic mushrooms can actually Help physically rebuild a damaged brain.
00:07:41.000Well if that's the case If it's a case that it can physically help rebuild a damaged brain maybe over long-term consumption It can actually make a brain grow I think, I'm almost positive that McKenna's idea was not that they were hunting these things, but they were flipping over cow patties looking for beetles and grubs and worms and stuff.
00:09:26.000It's the idea that they're developing their own weird culture, their own superstition or something.
00:09:31.000They just feel like they're doing something.
00:09:35.000I mean, we don't understand what it is, but it's a thing where you're throwing rocks at trees.
00:09:39.000And then there's all these rocks that are kind of laying around certain trees because chimps have decided to just start lobbing rocks at them.
00:09:47.000And they're saying, is this some emerging chimpanzee religion or culture?
00:10:12.000When they're talking about chimpanzees and they're looking at their growth and they're learning, they're thinking they're in a new place now.
00:10:20.000They're thinking they're starting to use tools, they're starting to use stones, and other great apes are using tools as well.
00:10:50.000To me what's really particularly interesting is that as our society and our species is moving into some new era, as we're moving into some God knows what the fuck it is, These guys are too.
00:11:30.000Now I don't know how long this has been going on, but it's like, it seems like this sort of trickle in of stories of monkeys suddenly doing things like this.
00:11:41.000It could be related to just more people researching and getting more data that's always been there.
00:15:30.000That line of ants, they can't comprehend what you are.
00:15:34.000Like, you walk by the line of ants, they have some instinct, maybe, to run away from you.
00:15:38.000A lot of times they don't even run away from you.
00:15:40.000You turn the sink on, kill like 30 of them in a second, but they don't, they can't, whatever way they used to think, they can't process it, right?
00:15:51.000It's going to be processing its extinction in some way that we can't even understand, right?
00:15:57.000So there's this idea, my friend was telling me that in the same way when a human dies, what we process is like, oh yeah, he got in a car accident, man.
00:16:08.000What really happened was some kind of like hyperdimensional event that we can only see one tiny piece of that looks like a car accident.
00:16:17.000The way our minds process the thing being wiped out Off the face of this dimension is by like, oh, car wreck, car wreck.
00:16:25.000But really, there's like all these other levels involved.
00:16:29.000So it's like maybe some hyper-dimensional entity just squashed your friend.
00:16:34.000And the way it manifested is like, oh, a car wreck.
00:17:25.000You know, there's this idea that we're going to sort of...
00:17:28.000God, I wish I could remember who explained this.
00:17:30.000It's like, okay, human existence up until the point of flight was completely based on, like, you would climb a mountain and then you could see the ground like you're from an airplane.
00:17:45.000You can see this whole new perspective on what things look like from a high place.
00:17:50.000But you certainly couldn't get the perspective of flying through the air and looking down at all this stuff that formerly in front of you is like looming over you.
00:17:59.000It's like when I... You know, I have two little dogs.
00:18:14.000So it transforms its reality a little bit.
00:18:16.000So flight transformed human reality in this intense way.
00:18:22.000And now the satellites floating around our planet have transformed it even more.
00:18:27.000Because we see, oh shit, yeah, we're on a planet.
00:18:29.000It's a ball that we're floating around, or a flat Earth, or whatever.
00:18:35.000So in the same way, the next sort of liftoff is to somehow rise above the time-space continuum, so that time itself becomes an object instead of a thing that we're stuck inside of.
00:18:50.000That's like the next big liftoff, and that there are already things that are See time as an object instead of as a river that we're currently being rolled around in and For them we look totally different.
00:19:04.000So that's like the next that's what like maybe McKenna was talking about the idea of the time machine or the singularity or whatever is that like once we figure that I know that There's never gonna be a fucking time.
00:19:15.000I know it's insane, but theoretically it's possible.
00:20:08.000If it's possible, and we exist in an infinite universe, then why wouldn't things have potentially figured out a way to get beyond the time-space continuum?
00:20:17.000So we're looking for aliens inside of time and space.
00:20:21.000But maybe there's the thing that we're looking for.
00:20:25.000We don't even have the technology to scan outside of past, present, and future, because that's what we're in right now.
00:20:31.000These things are way outside of our understanding of what Of what this even is.
00:21:07.000It's like watching a dog dry itself off.
00:21:09.000And then it did this cool little, I swear, it was like a little dance in front of me.
00:21:14.000This weird little, cool little bobbing dance thing and then flew away.
00:21:18.000I'm like, did that fucking bee just like...
00:21:21.000Thank me or like was that like some form of attempting to communicate with me?
00:21:25.000I mean bees certainly communicate with each other.
00:21:28.000There is communication among insects and I don't know if they're aware that we exist, but if they talk to each other, isn't it possible they might try to talk to us?
00:21:36.000Did I ever tell you about the time on Fear Factor where the bees communicated with local bees?
00:23:49.000I mean all the levels of communication happening around us at any given moment are it's astounding we can't deal with it like it's just too much to handle So we sort of get focused on our own little lives as human beings or whatever but fuck man There's a lot more going on.
00:24:05.000I mean just that yeah, you know that if that's happening with bees There's then it's probably happening with everything And so then we're in this, like, and we talk about this a lot, but that means we really are in a matrix of intelligence and we've just decided to focus on this one the way that we're doing it right now,
00:24:23.000you know, which is a pretty, uh, it's sad in a weird way because we do, you do cut out, you cut yourself out of a whole other, uh, community.
00:24:34.000That's one of the things I like about, like, the Native American mythology is that they, uh, You know, it seems like they had less of a distinction between humans and animals.
00:24:44.000It was like, these are our brothers, too.
00:24:46.000I'm confused with what you're saying by you're cutting yourself out of a community?
00:25:04.000So they have this exclusive relationship with the world where they allow into their periphery or in their circle of friends.
00:25:10.000I'm letting you into my circle of friends.
00:25:13.000So I have this, like, tight circle of friends.
00:25:15.000And then other people, based on whatever their particular metric is for determining who they want around them, you know, shit snobs are the ones who happen.
00:25:24.000You know those people who happen to...
00:25:26.000Only be friends with successful people it's like they're only friends with like like celebrities and they're only for like weird that a weird coincidence how did that happen holy shit I don't understand how that happened you know so there's that which is like for them they want to interact in this particular like part of the societal ecosystem Which means they're excluding,
00:25:48.000excluding, excluding, excluding all these other fucking people, right?
00:25:52.000And so the moment you stop, you start experimenting with not excluding people as much as you can, this doesn't mean you let annoying people around or people who don't have the good intentions with you around or whatever.
00:26:05.000You sound like you're giving advice to stuck-up Hollywood elites.
00:26:28.000So in the same way, there's a kind of economic Galapagos that happens with wealthy people, which is that they only get around each other, and so they start mating within their own circles, and And they start exchanging only information that wealthy people have.
00:26:42.000And so this creates a kind of hybrid, a weird new form of human being, which is the elite wealthy class.
00:26:51.000The kings and queens would only like fuck within bloodlines and stuff.
00:26:54.000It's an intentional form of like wealth eugenics or something.
00:27:00.000But anyway, what ends up happening when you're doing that is you end up cutting off all these other Forms of information that come in.
00:27:08.000And then also you start living according to a pretty ridiculous fucking idea, which is that all these other people, whatever they're doing, whoever they are, whatever it is, you know, that's just not really worth it.
00:27:21.000Like, what does that person really have to tell me that I need to hear?
00:27:26.000Or is it that they feel like they can get along with those other people because the other people are going to understand them?
00:27:31.000Because people do find like-minded groups of people and hang out together.
00:27:35.000And if you're like some super wealthy Rothschild guy and you become friends with some weirdo painter dude, I mean, how much do you guys have in common?
00:28:42.000So that exclusivity, even from a human perspective, cuts you off to a lot of data.
00:28:50.000Admittedly, some of that data is probably going to suck.
00:28:52.000But a lot of the data is gonna be really fucking good information that can make your life better.
00:28:58.000Stuff's gonna come to you that you would never expect when you reduce your exclusivity.
00:29:04.000So, in that same way, humans as a species are exclusive.
00:29:09.000We place ourselves as the top of the food chain, human beings, and underneath us is all this incredible biomass filled with all these other forms of life that we have managed, many people have managed to reduce to being some kind of meat machines.
00:30:14.000I might have concocted it out of thin air.
00:30:16.000But going back to what you were saying earlier about ants, And the system that ants live under and bees, how these bees can communicate with each other through pheromones and some other way.
00:30:26.000I mean, I don't know exactly how they're sorting out who's who and which clan belongs in what part of the woods or, you know, who the fuck knows.
00:30:54.000And we also know that all throughout nature are these animals that are blind, there's animals that can't see, there's worms, there's all sorts of things that have no idea you're there, no idea that you're watching television, and there's no idea that you're about to get in your car.
00:31:07.000They don't even know what the fuck a car is because they don't have the senses to detect it.
00:31:11.000Why would we assume that we hit the fucking bonanza with the senses and we've got it all down?
00:32:33.000Like, you're not even supposed to do it.
00:32:35.000But, like, again, because we live, this is, I mean, so much of what we live in is, like, very advanced, but so much of it is, like, ridiculously barbaric and primitive.
00:33:23.000And directly behind you is a window that opens up into a universe where everything's made of love, right?
00:33:31.000And you're standing in front of the window blocking that light, right?
00:33:36.000You're standing in front of the window.
00:33:38.000And so like the human condition, again, this is just a thought experiment and admittedly a very high thought experiment that I had, but I can't get it out of my head.
00:33:47.000And I've heard Ram Dass give different versions of this too.
00:33:50.000So the idea is like, here's this window opening up into this alternate I don't even want to call it an alternate universe.
00:34:10.000The more opaque your ego becomes, the more you allow yourself to become less and less of a thing stuck to anything at all, the more the light from that universe shines into this one, right?
00:34:21.000So when you're with someone who's like, I love you!
00:34:25.000They've gotten over their ego enough To let the light from that window, they've kind of managed to let that light shine through them for a second into this dimension, which is why it's so shocking.
00:34:36.000And maybe why babies are so entrancing, because there's no ego there.
00:34:43.000Blast of love or dogs in the same way or cats or like anything that loves you is so incredible because what they actually are are like Windows or portals into their reality of what our universe is which is love and so if you're blocking the window then that means that like You're mostly living in a world of shadows like a person who's like very egotistical Is like living in a shadowy world dude,
00:35:10.000you spent way too much time at Burning Man You fried your brain.
00:35:31.000I was just thinking when you were talking about dimensions, is that an egotistical point of view that we have, that there's a portal to another dimension?
00:35:41.000And is it really just that these dimensions are constantly around us, we just don't have the ability to access them?
00:37:06.000So, from the first tool to now, a couple hundred thousand years, I think, from now to a time machine, if we stay alive, if we don't blow ourselves up, we don't get hit by an asteroid, if we keep improving, they're gonna figure it out.
00:37:21.000And the day they figure it out, what becomes crazy is, then...
00:37:26.000All time travel from any point in the future to that moment is possible, and to any place else on the scale.
00:37:34.000See, the idea is that you can only travel where there's a road.
00:37:39.000So once the time machine is invented, Yeah.
00:37:42.000Time ceases to be linear and everything happens all at once.
00:37:47.000Like literally anyone can come back to any point in time and go back and forth.
00:37:52.000You could smack someone and then you go back in time before you smack them and kiss them and then go back in time and smack them and they'll go back in time and kiss them.
00:38:08.000And you'd be communicating with the same person once it happens.
00:38:10.000So once it does happen and people have access to it, which that access, like everything else, whether it's cell phones or automobiles or anything, the access starts in a limited way where very few people can afford it, and then it becomes worldwide.
00:38:23.000Did we talk about directed panspermia already as related to time travel?
00:38:37.000So the idea is like, okay, so I know this idea.
00:38:42.000We need the road to travel, so we need to build the road.
00:38:45.000So let's say I do invent the technology for a time machine, which basically means I have point A. Now I need a point B, right?
00:38:54.000So the point B, I've got to get the further out the point B is, I guess the more powerful the time machine would be, right?
00:39:05.000So this is the idea of direct to panspermia as a means of time travel is, assuming you are the super advanced species, then what you do is you create these genetic You create like DNA. You create a kind of packaged thing that when it lands in the right environment that you could live in has the tendency to evolve into a technological civilization that will build a time machine that is actually point B for your time
00:39:39.000Just infinite blasts of this DNA. And you know that when it lands on the road and the seed finds the right soil, it's going to grow into a technological tree that at the end of its growth is going to flower with...
00:39:55.000Your point B, the end of your time machine.
00:39:58.000So if you were this kind of interstellar traveler, then for you, you would send these seeds out into time, and then the moment a time that they got to the point where they built a time machine, for you it would seem like it happened instantly.
00:40:12.000There's your point B. You don't know what it's going to lead to, but you know it's going to be at least a habitable planet because you've developed these genetic machines to only take root in a planet that you could live on.
00:40:26.000So what we are are these genetic robots that are compelled to build technology because we're opening up the point B in some kind of interstellar time machine, and that's what the singularity is.
00:40:37.000It's when our creator masters come through the time portal that we've opened up on this planet and say, Oh, hi, you did it.
00:40:50.000It seems so science fiction-y, though, that if we really got to a point...
00:40:54.000Like, imagine if our civilization had gotten to a point where we could transcend space and time and travel through the universe and go to any place at any point in time and even drop the seeds of life on a planet and sort of...
00:41:04.000What is that term that they were going to use on Mars where they...
00:41:54.000But it hasn't happened anywhere near us, so let's pretend that the galaxy that we look at right now that we can see, let's pretend that's the universe.
00:42:03.000What if we find out that out of this galaxy of hundreds of millions of stars, we're the only intelligent life?
00:42:09.000Drastically narrows the possibility for intelligent life everywhere else in the universe, except for the fact that the universe is infinite, which means that not only is there intelligent life somewhere in the universe, there's a Duncan Trussell somewhere in the universe.
00:42:22.000Not only is there a Duncan Trussell, but there's a Duncan Trussell that said everything that you said in the exact same order.
00:42:28.000With every pause, every time you dribble piss on your toilet seat, and you go, I'll take care of that later, and you shut the lid, it did that to the exact T an infinite number of times throughout space.
00:42:39.000So, like, not only is there one of you, but there's an infinite number of yous and then an infinite number of possibilities left and right that you could have gone.
00:42:55.000But that doesn't mean that anything's ever gotten smarter than this.
00:42:59.000This is the only thing that we know that's gotten this smart.
00:43:01.000And it might be, this is the only thing that's got this smart.
00:43:04.000Because something had to be the first thing that got this smart.
00:43:07.000Unless it happened simultaneously, like we're saying, then it happened with a bunch of things.
00:43:12.000But let's call that thing the same thing in different places.
00:43:14.000It's not like there's a grey alien with big black eyes and a giant head and a little skinny neck that reads your mind and flies through magnetic fields.
00:44:03.000I mean, it's impossible to really, at this point, we can't prove that this isn't the default base reality that the entire universe is experiencing.
00:44:11.000But my guess would be that no way, man.
00:44:15.000I think it's more realistic that we're in a fucking...
00:44:20.000Like some kind of technological novelty farm?
00:44:22.000I mean, to use human terms, we're like...
00:44:27.000I mean, if you could simulate a universe and then create intelligent anything, sentient intelligent beings, or particularly sentient intelligent beings that matched you, your species, duplicate yourself even, and then run that duplication an infinite number of times in this server mechanism or whatever you have in your supercomputer,
00:44:46.000and then you just set time to loop as fast a rate as your computer would let you, so at night you just like...
00:44:57.000You let it run in the morning, you wake up, and it's like, oh, fuck, look, Hemingway, huh?
00:45:21.000You're fucking making universes and inside the universes, the universes are making planets and the planets are making technology and the technology is being, every single whatever your morning happens to be, whenever you wake up, you're like, oh cool, we've got, whoa, that's interesting.
00:46:14.000Oh, look, here's that moment where in that planet, World War III started because fucking Russia wanted to secure Syria and we didn't want it to happen.
00:46:26.000Well, we already have examples of this in a rudimentary form and all these new universes that are being created in these online games that people are playing.
00:46:48.000Well, they got angry about it because the...
00:46:52.000The summation of the anger is just because something is gigantic doesn't mean it's entertaining, right?
00:46:57.000And so you end up getting in this kind of feedback loop because if you're going to procedurally generate an infinite or a semi-infinite universe with all these different planets and stuff, then that means you need an AI that you can procedurally generate that's also going to procedurally generate what we consider to be a game.
00:47:16.000Interesting storylines, fun things to do.
00:47:38.000Like, I was playing the game and really enjoying it for, like...
00:47:42.000At least a week and a half, two weeks, and I would go on, like, Reddit, No Man's Sky, and read the comments, and I'd be like, God, you guys are fucking dicks!
00:48:10.000But really, it was like reading the critique of gourmet chefs far more familiar with where gaming is at.
00:48:17.000You know, these are people who play games all the time and know it and like have very high expectations.
00:48:21.000But anyway, the point is, yes, it procedurally generates this incredible universe, but it ends up getting kind of boring or something like that.
00:48:30.000But yeah, procedurally generate, like we are in a procedurally generated universe that is producing novelty events, which may be in the universe that We are being procedurally generated out of as a form of currency or a form of entertainment or a form of something we don't even understand yet.
00:48:49.000All I know is if there was a game called Universe Creator, run your computer and your universe will We're good to go.
00:49:20.000What's better than having a never-ending stream of inventions coming from your universe simulator that you could then market in this dimension?
00:49:27.000I think there's something weird that we do, too, where we look at things that we can generate with a computer versus things that sort of exist in the real world, and we look at them as coming from different sources.
00:49:39.000Something that man makes versus something that just happens.
00:49:43.000And because we look at it from different sources, I don't think we recognize that it's kind of the same thing.
00:49:49.000Like, there's a long process from a star exploding to a human being being born, but they're all connected.
00:50:00.000That star exploding is necessary for the development of the...
00:50:06.000It's a carbon-based life form on the earth.
00:51:12.000The whole thing is somehow or another getting more and more complex, more and more involved, more and more aware, faster information sharing between the things that make the things, and making more and crazier and better things, but all of these things made by a star explosion.
00:53:18.000Then at that moment, what you've done is you've taken your confusion And you've put it on an altar, and you've started worshiping it as though it were your God.
00:53:28.000Your ability to not articulate the thing is not an indication of the existence of a thing, but is more the indication of your laziness because you want to deify your confused, passionate emptiness.
00:54:01.000But so that being said, I think you should do experiments in reaching out to the transcendent as though it were possibly an embodied thing that was a lot smarter than you.
00:54:16.000And if the result of the experiment is nothing, if you just feel embarrassed or dumb or you're like, why the fuck am I praying?
00:54:26.000But if the result of the experiment is even as a placebo effect, you begin to experience a shift in your subjective reality, then I think it's worth continuing those experiments and seeing how it unfolds.
00:54:40.000Well, let's take away that definition, the placebo effect.
00:54:44.000Because if you have, in some way, decided to meditate towards...
00:54:51.000Towards the objective of communicating with the great love that runs the universe.
00:55:02.000Whether or not it's validated by the existence of that thing, doesn't matter.
00:55:07.000It's still a shift in your consciousness through what appears to be a decision, appears to be a decision that you've made to gravitate towards God.
00:55:18.000I've always had the problem, whenever people talk about intelligent design, or a thing, or a deity, and this is my own problem, I automatically think of, instead of the universe, like, say there's the universe, and then there's this thing over here,
00:55:35.000It's like, oh, I'm just gonna sit here and make the universe.
00:55:38.000It's the stupid way that I look at it.
00:55:40.000It's completely my own, like, You can grow up or you can just sort of form these ideas in your head about what a deity is and then those ideas can be little prisons.
00:57:50.000I'm sure all the people in the rainforest that are hunting with bows and arrows and looking out for jaguars, I'm sure they don't think of themselves as a system, but they're a life system.
00:58:01.000That's how life balances itself out, both in your gut and in the jungle and in the mountains of Montana and in the savannas of Africa.
00:58:42.000You're a part of an infinite soup of space.
00:58:45.000And you, just like a subatomic particle that blinks in and out of existence, that they can measure, it's moving and it's not moving, it's there and it's gone.
00:58:54.000This is how small the life form of a planet is in comparison to the mass of the universe itself, which might very well be just like every other fractal.
00:59:06.000The bigger you get, the more it represents the same patterns over and over again in larger scales.
01:00:04.000And I'm going to try to say that it's got a great name that I always say it wrong and I always get corrected, and so I'll say it wrong again.
01:00:41.000And as all things have been and arose from one by the mediation of one, so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation." So anyway, it's like...
01:00:50.000So it's all the shit that we were just talking about.
01:01:19.000It only makes sense that if we see these fractals all throughout nature, and we can observe them here, that our idea is that we can only observe subatomic particles, that that's the whole universe.
01:01:31.000Like, it's probably infinitely smaller than that.
01:01:33.000By the way, here's what's cool about that, is that is a translation by Isaac Newton.
01:01:46.000I don't know if he's asexual, but if he was, I think a lot of these guys, they were fucking around with mercury a lot, and it was like messing with their heads.
01:02:11.000A lot of those scientists and deep thinkers back then, they were checking on all sorts of different things.
01:02:18.000Well, I mean, checking on it is one way to put it.
01:02:21.000Another way to put it is, it may be that some of these people figured out ways to directly communicate with this intelligence that I certainly believe in.
01:04:03.000The idea that there is a kind of pattern that's like, oh yeah, that's the sane pattern right there.
01:04:12.000Well, I think these people, they do make contact.
01:04:16.000And I think, you know, we talk about like...
01:04:20.000One of my favorite, I think you told me this, Joe, one of my favorite UFO conspiracy theories is that Roswell was a real alien crash and that we can chart the evolution of technology from the Roswell alien crash,
01:04:35.000that technology is actually some kind of alien virus that came in through Roswell and is now spreading through history now.
01:04:44.000That's the most popular It's so fantastic.
01:05:10.000Dude, one of the many things I love about you, man, is you are like the Library of Congress for this stuff.
01:05:15.000Whereas in my mind, it's just like a murky swamp when I try to remember.
01:05:20.000You can, in detail, expound on these things.
01:05:32.000It's a really cool idea, but I think it's funny.
01:05:34.000Because for us, we're like, okay, the way we would get technology is by a metal craft shooting into the earth, and then we're going to take that and make technology.
01:05:43.000Whereas, I think the real alien encounters that happen throughout history, the UFO encounters, a UFO, for lack of a better word, a UFO, Flies through the consciousness of Isaac Newton.
01:05:57.000And Isaac Newton, Tesla, all of the great inventors have this spontaneous idea where they're like, wait, what, wait?
01:06:05.000And so the alien technology is actually not something that necessarily has to be matter, but starts as a thought form that then gets sort of produced through the spinneret of the particular inventor that, like, allows it to come through them,
01:06:47.000The ideas, creativity is responsible for everything, including this microphone, the internet connection, the building we're in, everything we're wearing.
01:06:55.000Everything the car you drove to get here all that comes from the imagination from ideas and from creativity and The initial burst of imagination comes from where we don't know it might be a life form It might be as much of a life form as a physical thing like like a person or it might be the okay,
01:07:13.000so like a plane or you know like a I don't know, you see in the, it's never actually happened to me, but like a plane flies too low, and like the fucking trees, or like when a helicopter's landing, the trees blow, people have to hold their hands to their ears, right?
01:07:27.000So maybe when these like transcendent objects enter into our time-space continuum, shit tons of people start having the very same idea, or different like brilliant ideas that are actually just the sort of Impact that this craft as it passes through our planet or passes near us or whatever that means from the dimension that they're in Maybe that's the impact that it has on our consciousness is the sudden origination of these incredible ideas that end up creating massive
01:07:58.000shifts in our society that that that's because if you look at like Tesla where he got his ideas and I don't know about Newton but a lot of Great inventors there.
01:08:08.000It's not like their ideas came As they were sitting at the whiteboard calculating and then they got a eureka moment.
01:08:46.000It was LSD. It was LSD, and I think he got to the point where he recognized that maybe his physical body was actually getting in the way of what he actually was, so he just sort of wanted to melt into nothingness, and it was sort of troubled by this thing.
01:10:06.000I'm saying if you get caught as a dolphin, it's not great, but if you are going to get caught by the monkeys and you end up in a place where they're giving you acid and jerking you off...
01:10:19.000That's the sound dolphin makes when you jerk them off.
01:10:25.000Can you imagine if that dolphin got in a conversation with a SeaWorld dolphin and they're like, wait, what?
01:14:03.000Some raven flies over to one cat, fucks with him a little bit, the cat tries to get away from him, the cat, like, turns around real quick, and the raven jumps away, and then the raven flies over to another cat who's on another rooftop.
01:16:21.000You know, it's the usual kind of fucking drivel that comes out of people.
01:16:24.000No, I don't mean to say drivel, but sometimes the old happy juice isn't coming out of the synaptic vesicles the way it should, and you translate that.
01:16:32.000It's like, instead of recognizing that your engine is running low on coolant, You think that all cars in the world must just run in some shitty way.
01:16:43.000To me, it's one of the most beautiful things to realize while simultaneously being one of the most depressing things to realize, which is that so much of what human happiness is is coming from these Synaptic vesicles,
01:17:00.000these little bubbles of serotonin that are getting dripped into our brains according to what activities we are partaking in.
01:17:08.000And so, some people, the drip isn't happening.
01:17:12.000And I would say that it's probably safe to say that for Edgar Allan Poe, His brain, if you could say the synaptic vesicles are the vagina of the human brain, then his were dry, arid, just fucking chafed synaptic vesicles.
01:17:32.000And I know what that's like, because anyone who's taken MDMA, if you've taken MDMA and have felt the MDMA-related depression, extrapolate from that thing.
01:17:44.000Three straight years of that unrelenting numbness that comes when you don't have enough of the happy juice up there.
01:17:53.000And then you're gonna start writing shit like, quote the raven, never more.
01:17:59.000Also, it doesn't help that his fucking wife...
01:18:03.000I think at one point she had, what was the name of that terrible disease?
01:19:24.000All this fucking shit coming out about Hillary Clinton, the thing that really bummed me out the most, man, was that fucking she's like anti-marijuana.
01:20:41.000But I do think that I just I mean can only talk about this nonsense so long but her her insistence on working towards marijuana and Making sure that marijuana stays a schedule one drug.
01:20:57.000Yeah It's it's not just disappointing.
01:21:20.000But I think it's not just not doing your job to serve and protect us and to lead us.
01:21:27.000Not only is it not doing your job, it's doing the opposite of your job.
01:21:31.000You're doing something for profit and you've made a connection and through influence you've decided to do something that you know for sure doesn't help anybody.
01:22:11.000We don't want to think of it as a huge business, but any time a huge business drops off, and it's gonna drop off, whoever you're, if you're in that business, get out now, because you're like, blockbuster video, you motherfuckers.
01:22:43.000You can't keep arresting people for something that everybody does.
01:22:46.000Just like they had to give it up with alcohol.
01:22:48.000But if she's saying, if the next president, she's definitely going to be the next president, is saying that she's going to continue this prohibition to the bankers that were paying her to give a presentation, And this is the person Obama's endorsing and Bernie Sanders is endorsing.
01:23:10.000The more I look into all this shit, the more confused I become.
01:23:15.000I tried to go a little deeper into it, like looking up the Clinton Foundation and then checking out the charity websites that talk about the Clinton Foundation or give it a rating or whatever.
01:23:26.000And it's like, well, there's a lot of misinformation coming from both sides.
01:23:31.000But the most the one I trust only because they're like a left-leaning super liberal website the Huffington Post called there's an article and they're saying the Hillary the Clinton Foundation's gross is the name of the article and basically it says the foundation itself If you look at the tax returns,
01:23:52.000since it's an operating foundation, all the bullshit about how they're only giving like 6% or 10% of the money to charities is wrong, because they are doing shit.
01:24:02.000The foundation goes into the world, it has worked with AIDS, so you can't villainize the entire foundation.
01:24:10.000But what's fucked up is the Clintons, when they go to give talks to people who then donate to the foundation, they get paid, and that money's separate from what goes to the foundation.
01:24:20.000So when Hillary Clinton goes and gives a speech, And then they donate to the foundation.
01:24:25.000The amount they pay her for the speech doesn't go to the foundation.
01:25:50.000I guess that's the one bitter comfort that we have, is that this person who's going to become president is very, very sophisticated when it comes to manipulating people.
01:27:56.000And I think if you look at a Hillary Clinton strategy meeting, she's like sitting in some kind of like geodesic dome surrounded by CIA agents who are like, we've done a thermal analysis of Donald and here are the moments that you should hold still.
01:28:12.000And at this moment, we recommend that you say this, and then this, and then this.
01:28:18.000They're like, he's definitely gonna bring up the WikiLeaks.
01:28:20.000Here, according to our psychological analysis, and also some of the DNA data we got from one of the cheeseburger crumbs that fell out of his fucking mouth at one of these rallies, is like, he's going to react to this.
01:28:32.000And, like, she just memorizes it in a kind of alien way, sits there, and just does it.
01:28:38.000I remember when you were like when I realized because I don't know at the time I didn't know anything about fighting but then you were explaining how like They have these insanely deep combos.
01:28:48.000If this person does this, they have all these moves, like, 19 moves deep.
01:30:40.000But I have a feeling, I mean, I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that if you wanted to find people who said, yeah, Trump grabbed my pussy, it wouldn't be that fucking hard.
01:30:49.000It's not like you're looking for Bigfoot.
01:30:56.000Pretty easy to hunt them down would be my guess.
01:31:07.000And so it's like when you realize like that, then you start feeling this weird compassion for him.
01:31:11.000You're like, My God, even with all his maliciousness and weird perviness and stuff, ultimately he's like a fucking bull that got put into a goddamn ring with a matador who's been doing this kind of bullfighting for like 30 fucking years,
01:32:52.000I want to be on the winning team You know to be a lot of that I think really though man like if people like what that the effect that that actually has is people who might have been terrified of Trump being president Oh, yeah If they're like, she's already ahead by 12%, I'm not gonna fucking drive out to the polls to vote.
01:33:07.000Like, it would serve her more if there was some collusion between her and the media, which, according to the Podesta emails, there certainly has been.
01:33:15.000There's like, you've got the, like, the editor of Politico, you saw that one where he's like, fuck it, I'm a hack.
01:33:23.000So, like, I don't know if it was the editor, I don't remember which guy it was, but the point is, I think it's a pretty safe bet That she's going to be the next president.
01:33:34.000And I don't think that that data that we're getting is necessarily some kind of collusion between...
01:33:42.000I'm saying it affects the event itself.
01:33:43.000I'm saying that even if you do legitimately, objectively poll a group of people and you get a result from that poll, it's not really representative of 100% of the people.
01:33:52.000But once you start thinking that it is, and once people start deciding that it is, it has a massive impact on how people vote.
01:33:59.000Well, I gotta tell you man, before the fucking buses go riding through Varying neighborhoods and scooping up illegal immigrants and before the fucking abortion cops start arresting fucking women for getting abortions and before all the Insanity that like apparently he's gonna do starts happening.
01:34:21.000That's he Trump that if he gets elected if he gets about arresting people for abortions Yeah, he said that women should be like punished for that's one of the main one of his many fuck-ups is he was like yeah women should be there should be some punitive Legal shit if women get a legal abortion.
01:36:36.000I'm legitimately asking at what point in time- Do you get to tell someone that they have to remain pregnant?
01:36:43.000But think of the irony that fucking pro-abortion Hillary Clinton is anti-marijuana.
01:36:48.000So she's like, I'm going to tell you, no, it's not our place to say what a woman could do with her body, but I'm going to fucking tell you what you can put into your body.
01:36:56.000I think it is the government's place to say that.
01:37:19.000I would expect a lot of bankers love weed, so it doesn't make sense.
01:37:23.000No, I guarantee you I know what it is.
01:37:24.000It has to do with banks having interest in pharmaceutical companies.
01:37:28.000The company that makes fentanyl, we've talked about this ad nauseum, they're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in Arizona to try to stop the Medical or not even medical.
01:38:18.000It's like, the dream is, like, man, can you imagine?
01:38:23.000If the fucking Republicans had come up with just a normal dude, like if they just somehow come up with one normal guy, like just a non-religious nut, and somebody who doesn't have a checkered past,
01:38:41.000just a kind of balanced guy who's like, well, we need to work on the economy.
01:38:45.000Like Mitt Romney without the Mormon shit.
01:39:53.000And it's like to see this fucking barely, at least in the debates that I've seen, you see barely anyone talking about the fucking...
01:40:01.000Like, no one's fucking talking about the fact that the VA is fucked or that, like, some of these people aren't getting any of the medical care that they need.
01:40:10.000They're up there fucking talking about Trump grabbing pussies or, like, Hillary Clinton's fucking stupid foundation.
01:40:16.000What about the fact that, like, people are blowing their goddamn brains out all over neighborhoods across our country because they made the decision to, like, go over and fight in fucking Iraq?
01:40:25.000And more people have killed themselves than have died serving.
01:42:11.000The fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan accounted for anywhere from one out of three deaths in the military from 2005 to 2010 to more than 46% of the deaths in 2007...
01:42:23.000According to the height of the Iraqi, during the height of the Iraqi surge.
01:42:26.000More than 6,800 troops have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 9-11, and more than 3,000 additional service members have taken their lives in the same time, according to Pentagon data.
01:42:36.000So keep going now so we can find out where...
01:43:31.000Jesus Christ veterans to explore Experts estimate that 17 of the 22 daily suicides involving vets Not enrolled in the VA's health care system.
01:43:44.000Jesus 27,258 of those we honor for their service on this Veterans Day have died by their own hand 27 fucking thousand people That's from how many wars?
01:44:12.000It's an empty existence to be having sent over there when you're 17 years old and you're fighting for a war that a lot of people don't believe in.
01:44:22.000You wind up killing people you don't even know.
01:44:24.000And you come back all fucked up and PTSD'd out and then you don't get any help.
01:44:29.000Yeah, you don't get any help because part of, I think maybe part of PTSD is you don't want to reach out for help.
01:44:35.000So that's like part of the disorder is you're all numb down.
01:44:38.000So like, yeah, man, not to mention you have, many of these people have brain trauma.
01:44:42.000Like they've got like, there's a lot of, anyway, I'm sure that if you're sitting in a, like if you're in a family, That's been impacted by that, and you're watching the debates.
01:44:54.000Because, you know, for me, I watch the debates as a form of entertainment.
01:44:58.000You know, to me, it's like there's something in it that's grim, yet hilarious, and it's interesting to see this kind of unraveling of our political system in this way.
01:45:12.000When you just spend a little bit of time thinking about how the whole machine is impacting families in the most fucked up way, man.
01:45:20.000A lot of kids, they don't know their dad has PTSD. They don't even know why their dad is drinking so much or is acting angry or unpredictable or seems fucked up.
01:45:36.000And then they develop They begin to imitate that behavior, you know?
01:45:40.000And then the next thing you know, you've got this echo of this terrible thing that war is echoing out into our communities and into everything, man.
01:45:52.000I imagine when you're watching the debates and you're realizing that these two people are spending I don't know what percentage of time talking about that.
01:46:02.000I don't know what the percentage is exactly that they've talked about veterans at all, but you probably start getting really, really, really depressed when you're like, well, I guess that was just a bunch of bullshit that we did out there for real, because these guys are barely talking about it.
01:46:18.000It's just a weird popularity contest for them to get into this position of power.
01:46:42.000Right now, the current event spark is grabbing pussies and email scandals.
01:46:46.000I went back and forth the other day during the debates, post-debate, from CNN to Fox News, CNN to Fox News, CNN to Fox News, just listening to the different sides and how they talk about stuff.
01:47:17.000The CNN people aren't even remotely considering the impact of her...
01:47:24.000The controversy with the Clinton Foundation, this WikiLeaks stuff that's come out about the bankers and her trying to keep marijuana an illegal drug and keep Americans imprisoned, therefore, because of it.
01:48:27.000Manipulated Ecuador into cutting off Assange's internet connection, you know, so it's like on top of that They just like shut him down.
01:48:35.000They're like so like our country was able to manipulate another country to shut the internet connection off of a guy It's like, you know, you hear about how like who's the new leader of Korea?
01:48:49.000So like Kim Jong-un The South Koreans, they put propaganda weather balloons into North Korea, and I guess the North Koreans see this shit and they're like, what the fuck?
01:49:00.000And then Kim Jong-un threatens to shoot nuclear missiles into South Korea for distributing information, like, hey, you guys Guys are in a fucking hell bubble over there.
01:49:10.000You know the world's not really like that?
01:50:09.000And it's like, you know, the reaction we should all be having should not be like, I don't know, anger at Russia.
01:50:17.000The reaction we should be having is anger at our political class.
01:50:22.000You know, it should be, and that was Assange's idea, right?
01:50:25.000That's his idea, is like, if we expose, he wrote this essay, I read an article about it, if we expose the inner workings of our political class, And we show that the level of deceitfulness that is involved in this game of chess, which now people are just saying,
01:50:42.000That's how it works in the modern world.
01:50:43.000You've got to be cutthroat and you've got to lie and you've got to trick and you've got to do all this shit.
01:50:48.000If we expose them, then what that hopefully is supposed to do is make them reform on their own or create what he called a The idea is you want it to be very expensive to lie.
01:51:00.000And also, he's created a situation where all of them are living in a terrible world of paranoia, which I think is kind of hilarious because, like, Assange has done to Hillary Clinton what the NSA has done to all of us, you know?
01:51:15.000Like, he has all this fucking data and she doesn't know which data he has.
01:51:23.000A lot of politicians have no idea what WikiLeaks has.
01:51:26.000That's the strategy behind, I think that's the strategy, behind the trickling release of this information, is because it's like the Japanese water torture, little drops, so that every day they have to sit and think, fuck man.
01:51:40.000Did they get those fucking pictures from the Bohemian Grove?
01:51:57.000Anonymous, WikiLeaks, Guy Fawkes himself, someone is going to drop some huge fucking information bomb that's going to make Hillary Clinton...
01:52:08.000The rumor, of course, amongst conspiracy theorists is going to disqualify for the election.
01:52:14.000I don't even know if that's possible at this point.
01:52:22.000I mean, I posted something on Twitter the other day about a soldier who took photographs with his camera on his phone of some inner workings of a submarine, and he's going to jail because of it.
01:52:49.000I mean, other than that, I mean, he works for the government, but his responsibility to adhere to the rules has way more consequence than hers.
01:52:56.000What she did with those emails, like, no one is denying that it was illegal.
01:58:55.000Well, the conspiracy argument is the best because you would think that everybody would have to be in on it.
01:58:59.000Everybody who's ever been a part of space travel, whether it's the Russians or the Chinese or the Americans, anyone who has ever been an astrophysicist has to be in on it.
01:59:10.000That's like one of the best fucking tweets that I ever got from somebody.
01:59:33.000I'd love to see that meeting where you and Sussman are sitting with these reptilians and they're like, listen Joe, you know the earth is flat, we know the earth is flat.
01:59:42.000They dangle the check in front of you and they go, the earth is?
02:00:04.000If you knew the earth was flat, like, I don't know how you knew, like, fucking Dana White, or the people who run the UFC, they're like, look, man, it actually...
02:04:02.000Huge changes in a person's life to suddenly no longer be afflicted with the humdrum normal day-to-day Materialistic consumeristic bullshit that we call everyday life to create a tiny little bubble where that doesn't exist and where you're like there are two rules I don't know if you can call them rules,
02:04:21.000but their rules are you don't do a cacophonist event for money and you don't do it to promote your religion.
02:04:27.000So you're doing this for no reason other than like subversions for subversion's sake.
02:04:33.000So the profit that you're getting from it is just the incredible moment that you find yourself in a salmon outfit running the opposite way.
02:04:44.000But what it does is it That temporarily disrupts the hypnotic trance that a lot of people are in.
02:04:53.000Like, when they're living, you know, you're just- And this is by design?
02:04:57.000That's what they're trying to do, or they're just having fun?
02:04:59.000It looks like they're just having fun running against the crowd of marathon runners, and they're in salmon outfits.
02:05:05.000Yeah, it is for fun, but then there's like theory behind it.
02:05:08.000So they've actually like, this is something that they've written out and contemplated and acted on.
02:05:12.000There's a great book called Tales of the Cacophony Society that I'm reading that's so fucking funny.
02:07:18.000Me, Brendan Walsh, and then a group of some other people from Burning Man who I know, and then just some people who responded to the tweet.
02:08:27.000But then what we did is Brendan Walsh, because we had him give this speech, you know, because I was like, everybody, I don't want this meeting, our final meeting, to be caught up in how Brendan Walsh ruined the Ukrainian branch of the L.A. Kikofmy Society,
02:08:46.000And then he gives a speech and he reads the entirety of Tiger Woods' cheating apology.
02:08:54.000Suddenly this dude in pajamas is reading Tiger Woods' cheating apology in front of a group of people in pajamas who, whenever Brendan would say one of Tiger's weird apologies, everyone would applaud and then shush ourselves at the same time.
02:09:08.000So it's like clapping like, shh, let him talk, let him talk.
02:09:11.000And then we sang fucking Do You Want to Build a Snowman from Frozen?
02:10:35.000And then I called him, and then we started talking about what the events were like.
02:10:39.000And he said, the main thing about it is inclusivity.
02:10:43.000He's like, this is what makes it so cool.
02:10:46.000If you really form a branch, this is more of an experiment, but if you really do it, then everybody who decides to participate, they come up with their own events.
02:11:21.000So when you're in Gelson's, wearing pajamas, singing, do you want to build a snowman, and you look out, and people are kind of like walking with their shoulders down to buy their evening groceries, and they're just kind of like, look over at you, they get the biggest smile on their face.
02:11:35.000They don't know what's fucking happening, we don't know what's happening, but at It feels so cool.
02:11:40.000It's like a really exciting moment of really minor rebellion that has no impact ultimately in the flow of society.
02:11:49.000But in that tiny moment, it's like, fuck, we're in zero gravity here, man.
02:11:56.000Yeah, I mean, a coordinated effort like that with a bunch of people in pajamas singing, Do You Want to Build a Snowman?
02:12:04.000Out of nowhere would make everybody smile.
02:12:07.000It's one of those, like, what in the fuck are these guys doing?
02:12:09.000Yeah, and dude, you'd look over, because it was right next to the deli, so people were sitting at the deli pretending to be eating their dinner, but they kept looking over at Brendan giving the Tiger Woods speech.
02:12:20.000But that's the other cool idea that they came up with, man, which was...
02:12:26.000It's like the way we do entertainment right now is so weird because it's like and I guess thank God for it because it's our jobs but like people pay a cover and they go in and there's the audience that sits and the audience and the comedian that talks or the entertainer that talks and there's this weird distance between the two and it's like so that relationship between entertainer and entertained their idea is like let's merge it together so that we're entertaining each other For no reason other than like,
02:12:56.000let's just fucking get together and like see what happens, you know?
02:15:05.000Because when you're standing in fucking pajamas in a goddamn Gelson's reading Tiger Woods' 10-minute cheat speech and you don't back down, it's cool.
02:15:14.000But anyway, yeah, Tales for the Cacophony Society.
02:15:16.000You guys look into it, man, because it's pretty cool.
02:16:12.000All LED lights shining on the fucking art that people are spending all year building for no other reason than to fucking bring it out there and give people just beautiful art.
02:16:30.000The crazy thing about Burning Man is you can't...
02:16:35.000Capture it in pictures like you've just got to go there because if you see the pictures it kind of seems ridiculous or dusty or whatever, but my god man.
02:17:52.000And so like, you go there to get lied to, but they know everyone knows that they're lying and they lull you in to thinking they're done with the lying part, right?
02:18:00.000So like, we're sitting there drinking, me and Cora are sitting there drinking, and like, you know, the guy's like made some pretty obvious lies and then we're drinking, he's like, hey...
02:18:09.000So it really feels like, oh yeah, okay, now we're just talking like friends.
02:18:12.000He's like, so hey, do you guys want to try...
02:19:24.000And that's one tiny little part of it.
02:19:28.000Imagine that spread out Over and over and over and over again with just different types of like bars or art.
02:19:37.000Imagine like, let's say, and you know I don't take psychedelics and if I talk about it on the podcast I do it as a joke because I want to seem cool.
02:19:45.000But imagine if you were in the middle of the fucking desert on psychedelics that had just started kicking in.
02:19:52.000On your bicycle, covered in LED lights, surrounded by other people and blinking LED lights on their bicycles, and you're sitting in front of what appears to be a massive brass, what is either a locust, a firefly, some kind of Grasshopper cricket sculpture on top of another cricket sculpture that has combustible gas exploding out of it.
02:20:16.000And it's like 10 feet, 15 feet high with combustible gas exploding out of it.
02:21:26.000So you could say that's maybe what Burning Man is.
02:21:29.000During the year, lots of people are getting together and planning what they're going to...
02:21:36.000I'm planning with my fucking Burning Man camp, the Enchanted Booty Forest.
02:21:41.000We're planning our art car for next year.
02:21:45.000And that's going to take all year to figure out what it's going to be and how to do it and how to put it together and how to get the money.
02:21:50.000I told you, you spent too much time with Burning Man.
02:21:55.000Every year is just downtime, downtime, downtime Burning Man.
02:21:59.000Well, I mean, I will say, I mean, I know it truly is the most embarrassing thing.
02:22:03.000I know I sound like that guy in that brilliant YouTube video that someone made parodying the ear beatings that Burning Man people give their friends.
02:25:12.000Well, this is growing at a staggering rate every year.
02:25:16.000What's to stop these people from claiming a city?
02:25:19.000Like, if everybody just decided, like, hey, let's all move to Portland.
02:25:23.000If all those people that are Burning Man type folks just decided to try to have the same sort of impact on a community, that's not outside the realm of possibility, right?
02:25:34.000Well, it's happening wherever there's people who've been influenced by that festival who come back into the world and try to not be such selfish shitheads when they're in the world, or maybe try not to waste so much stuff.
02:25:44.000It's also happening because you realize, oh fuck, this is not only a festival, this is preparing for the fucking...
02:25:51.000A possible economic collapse, because if we can all get together and survive in the desert, in this way, and work together, then there is a possibility.
02:25:59.000You know, actually, I went to see Alex and Alison Gray.
02:26:01.000They were painting at the Dr. Bronner's camp.
02:26:12.000They have a camp there called Re-fo-mation, right?
02:26:16.000They basically are just hosing down all these filthy Burning Man people out in the desert to clean them up, right?
02:26:23.000So after they hose them down, they've constructed a tent where there's a DJ playing music, and it's dripping water down, and everyone's naked, dancing.
02:26:37.000And Alex and Alison Gray are painting this beautiful mural in that tent.
02:26:43.000And so like, you know, Cora and I went to visit them and we walked up and like, you know, those guys are so fucking cool, man.
02:26:49.000But then Alex like starts talking to me and he's like, you know what this is, right?
02:26:53.000He's like, Dr. Bronner's family was in Auschwitz where they had the showers.
02:26:59.000And so this is the opposite of the showers at Auschwitz because it's like naked people In real showers, dancing to music in this fucking super loving environment.
02:27:13.000So their idea was to mirror the Holocaust.
02:27:16.000Not that you could do that, but to create a response to it that was like, here's what it could look like.
02:27:22.000Instead of gassing people, there could be a DJ dripping...
02:28:45.000They watch all the videos in high school.
02:28:47.000Those are the ones that I get the most upset about when someone posts a video about the flat earth or any kind of fucking stupid shit where you're gonna waste a lot of time paying attention to nonsense.
02:29:32.000I just watched, it's on Netflix now, it's Louis Theroux's Crazy Weekend, I think is what it's called, and you saw the one with Al Sharpton?
02:30:35.000I looked him up because I was really wanting to follow him on Twitter, but he died of an aneurysm.
02:30:40.000But, whoa, what a crazy, hardcore, charismatic guy who wants the United States to give back a swath of land to black people so that they can go live there.
02:30:51.000But, you know, Louis Theroux is such a likable guy.
02:30:54.000That you could see that they were both kind of liking each other when they weren't, you know what I mean?
02:30:58.000And it was really sweet to watch and really cool.
02:31:01.000But you could also see that he was being moved by recognizing how much a lot of these people have gone through and how fucked up it could be.
02:31:09.000And this is before any of this shit happened with the recent police shootings.
02:31:12.000This was another police shooting in 2001. And they were going to go march about...
02:31:18.000And Sharpton was going to get arrested.
02:31:29.000While these people are up there fighting like those fucking goddamn cats that the crow lured into a fight, while they're up there debating and fighting and our eyes are fixated on that, we can easily lose track of all the stuff that we have definite control over,
02:31:47.000which is we don't need to be so selfish.
02:31:51.000You don't need to be so selfish, and if you start experimenting with giving stuff away, because you guaranteed, man, there is stuff that you have that you don't need, you literally don't need, like in your garage, that you covet, kind of, like there's shit you covet that you don't need,
02:32:07.000you're not going to use, or you have like a hoarder mentality where you're like, well, I might sell it one day, or who knows, I'm going to definitely need this vibrating bed one day, or whatever the fucking thing is that you have.
02:32:45.000It like is a really great feeling to start offloading shit you don't need into the community of friends and family and people around you who are fucking...
02:34:35.000They were saying that they're going to expect it Every time a rich person goes there, they're going to expect larger tips, and it's really not proportionate to the service they've given you.
02:34:46.000You make someone happy, and you don't feel the difference.
02:34:49.000The difference between you leaving one number on a check for a tip, and they go, oh, that was a good tip, or another one, and they go, holy shit, now they feel really good, like they just got a gift.
02:35:05.000It's one of the rare things that we have in our culture where you could express gratitude in a numerical amount.
02:35:12.000I mean, I'm not saying that's the only way to express gratitude because, of course, there's a way to express it with your words and your love and all that good stuff, but you can express gratitude in a tip form where there's a number you can attach to it.
02:35:24.000If the bill is 50 bucks and you leave 50 bucks, people go, holy shit!
02:35:31.000To a lot of people, the difference between $100 in your bank and $50 in your bank, you're probably not going to feel that.
02:36:17.000So these tickets, we ended up accruing this massive pile of fucking tickets, right?
02:36:22.000And so we're standing there looking at this junk, and then I look down, and I'm sure other people out there have done this.
02:36:27.000There's a kid who's got a tiny little bit of tickets, and he's looking at the candy, the little bit of tickets, and I'm like, hey kid, take this!
02:36:36.000Gave him this huge fucking stack of tickets.
02:37:37.000Dude, there were people who would go around with spray bottles and just spray your sunglasses off for you, which out in the desert is really important because all the sand gets caught in there and you can't fucking see.
02:38:03.000There is definitely something you can do that you're not doing, and you're not doing it not because you're selfish, you're not doing it just because you haven't even realized you can do it.
02:38:13.000It's like having a superpower that you're not aware of, which is like, fuck, just give something away.
02:39:25.000And he said that he was talking about post, you know, after disasters.
02:39:32.000Everybody gives to each other and people are very kind.
02:39:35.000So if there was some kind of economic collapse, some calamity or something, then I think what people would suddenly realize is like what would happen is the pendulum that swings in front of the eyes of the sum total of all people in this country and convinces us of the importance of this small group of Secretive people.
02:39:55.000Maybe for a second that thing stops swinging and we like look away from it and look at each other and we realize like, oh shit, we've got each other.
02:41:04.000There's no hospitals in that Burning Man.
02:41:06.000There's just goggles and goggle cleaners.
02:41:08.000Actually, they do have a full hospital at Burning Man.
02:41:11.000I didn't go visit it, but they say they have an urgent care medical facility there that's really nice, and they fucking need it, too, because you think I'm a fucking super hippie, man.
02:41:21.000Do you think they have a checkbox, like, do you have an injury, or are you freaking out, man?
02:42:33.000And if they're not clinicians, they're people who have been through this program who just sit with you and let you freak out without judging you and just sit with you and let you relax until you're having an okay time again.
02:42:46.000So instead of losing your shit and getting arrested or losing your shit and being around your friends who are like, what the fuck's wrong with you, man?
02:42:54.000You get to be around really smart, trained people who know how to not just Help you relax, but help you use this event to like transform your life.
02:43:07.000Because a lot of times a bad trip is like a transformative moment for someone if they're around the right people.
02:43:28.000When you look at the, how much, he spent his entire life, like, you know, we sit here, And we fucking rail against the system and ah marijuana and like ah!
02:43:40.000But Doblin, man, he's like on the front lines.
02:43:43.000Like this guy is like deeply, deeply involved in this.
02:44:21.000Phase 3 of clinical trials, which never happens, like with a Schedule 1 substance, that theoretically could like...
02:44:32.000The results that they're getting are very good, but if...
02:44:36.000People who have PTSD, if they go to the doctor, the doctor will be like, well, I'll prescribe Xanax, and maybe they'll give you cognitive behavior therapy or something.
02:44:46.000But the idea that there might be a way to give someone...
02:44:50.000MDMA. MDMA mixed in with a specific type of therapy, and that that could actually...
02:45:50.000Revisiting the experience under the influence of MDMA causes it to somehow be refiled in the right part of your brain again, so it's not sticking out in the forefront of your experiences.
02:46:02.000So it's not like the thing isn't always there like a flashbulb light or something.
02:46:07.000Isn't it another thing that's infuriating?
02:46:09.000I mean, that's almost to me as infuriating as Teenagers getting hooked on flat earth videos.
02:46:15.000It's more infuriating even that this has always been there.
02:46:19.000This has always been there and they made it illegal and all these people that suffered could have could have gotten relief through this a long time ago.
02:46:30.000If they just recognized this early on and been super objective about it, look, we clearly have an issue with PTSD and soldiers and policemen and people that have gone through domestic abuse.
02:46:39.000There's a lot of people with PTSD. This can literally change the course of our nation.
02:46:45.000But to keep up the fucking DEA's corrupt system, to keep up this nasty business of arresting people for the wrong kind of drugs while they're selling drugs everywhere you look, to keep up that system, they literally stopped something that would have helped everybody.
02:50:59.000I mean, if they allowed 150,000 people in, like, that hospital now is fucked.
02:51:04.000Right, but they would just have to ramp it up based on how many people buy tickets.
02:51:08.000As long as you just keep having tickets, then you'll have more money to spend on more hospitals, and you would just sort of plan it accordingly.
02:51:15.000But maybe they're trying to slowly develop it, where they don't want it to get completely chaotic and out of control, which is what it definitely would do if they had no restrictions whatsoever.
02:51:26.000Duncan, while you were urinating, we were talking about the restrictions on the population at Burning Man, and I found that to be a little bit odd.
02:51:32.000Makes sense that they're selling tickets to it, because we found out how much it cost for the hospital.
02:52:28.000So if you want to do this festival, you are paying us.
02:52:32.000Well, would you say that it's a shakedown or they want to control the population because they didn't want it getting out of control?
02:52:38.000The Bureau of Land Management has a reasonable concern that it could get completely overrun with hippies, and it would be massive chaos.
02:52:49.000There's definitely a reasonable concern, and there's also some maybe, I don't know, perhaps there could be maybe some profiteering happening.
02:53:25.000Burning Man was once a scrappy little desert gathering.
02:53:29.000It's become a multifaceted professional operation.
02:53:31.000Today, the Burning Man Project produces the nation's largest permanent event on public land and supports an extensive global network of events, artists, and civic initiatives.
02:53:43.000Man, I can't believe he had so much money.
02:54:01.000So what they do after the festival, they will go from camp to camp looking for where the trash is, and if they find any trash, if someone's, let's say, broken a bottle or something, right?
02:54:14.000They will bring like a team of 11 people in to sift through the sand to get every single bit of glass out of the fucking sand so that it goes back to being just what it was before.
02:54:55.000When people give up the ideas that have sort of imprisoned each generation about keeping up with the Joneses and about belonging to the right country club and about all the things that people strive for.
02:55:10.000Moving up the corporate ladder, you know, all that stuff.
02:55:14.000And clinking glasses, like you're in a fucking Leonardo DiCaprio movie before it takes a turn for the worst.
02:55:37.000And we're learning a lot of stuff right now.
02:55:40.000And, like, you know, we're learning a lot of stuff.
02:55:43.000And part of, I think, hopefully what we're learning is that...
02:55:46.000Certain things cannot be commodified that there's no way to really put a price on certain things and You know a lot of people there it's not like they're against money or against people making money or anything like that ideas is like Make money spend the whole year making money,
02:56:05.000but then let's fucking ignite it in the form of your Amazing sculpture that you brought out into the desert.
02:56:11.000The other cool thing is dude when you're looking at these sculptures and You don't see, like, a plaque that's like, this was made by Tim French!
02:56:27.000So, like, you're out there and it's like, you're standing underneath some alchemical, like, spherical laser globe that's spinning in a way that the lights make it look like the ground you're standing on is, like, rotating and shifting.
02:56:50.000There's Tesla coils everywhere out there.
02:56:52.000Tesla coils sparking in the fucking middle of the desert.
02:56:56.000Someone got a Tesla coil out to burn it.
02:57:00.000When you consider getting a Tesla coil into the middle of the fucking desert and then setting it up so it works, I think they have videos of it if you look it up.
02:58:43.000Oh, dude, when these dust storms kick up, it's the most beautiful, insane thing.
02:58:47.000It's just all of a sudden out of the blue, everything goes from being completely clear to just being completely obscured with this very fine dust, which is why everyone's got LED lights on, because the lights glow through the dust so that you don't run into somebody.
02:59:19.000I think that originally the idea was the cacophonists had this idea of what's called the zone trip, which is that if you take a group of people and bring them out of their natural habitat, then something kind of magical happens.
02:59:33.000And so there's a story of how the first time they went out there, they drew like a line in the sand and they were like, everything After this line is the zone and like that's when that was the first Burning Man is it just was like they just picked a desolate place so they wouldn't get bothered by people because what was happening is I can't remember his name.
03:00:15.000Everybody wants to know, like, well, what was the reason behind it?
03:00:18.000So, like, they just went and burnt this effigy out there, and then they were doing it, like, I think a few years in a row, and it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and then somehow the Cacophony Society got involved, because it got so big one year, the cops wouldn't let them burn it,
03:00:34.000and so then they were, like, they ended up scheduling a cacophonist event, I've got the flyer on my phone.
03:00:42.000It's like the Burning of the Man in the Black Rock Desert.
03:00:45.000And so they redid that event and took the Burning Man out there.
03:02:22.000You gotta get out there in a fucking RV. We drove an RV out there, man.
03:02:27.000Not that that's hard or anything, but it's like, when you're driving an RV... Out of Burning Man.
03:02:33.000It's not easy because it's an eight-hour line to get out of Burning Man in the morning in your RV. You're sitting in a fucking RV for eight hours in this massive line of people who are being pulsed out of Burning Man because there's only one road out.
03:02:49.000Is this every time you want to leave through any day of Burning Man?
03:03:14.000I think that they're people who are subverting the experience a little bit by flying in on a private jet and then being brought to a place that's already been built for them, where they get to hang out.
03:03:27.000And then that place is like, theoretically, it's not so easy for people to get in there.
03:03:31.000Even though White Ocean, one of the things they said was like, well, we're giving food to people.
03:03:38.000There's an embarrassing post one of the guys from White Ocean put up, like, what you did to us?
03:03:44.000And it was like a guy who clearly didn't get the whole point of the thing, which is like...
03:03:48.000Seriously, though, why would they do that instead of just complaining or just talking to them?
03:04:38.000I mean, God, have you seen the gladiator ring they have there where they slam people together who fight or the fucking fisting tent or the...
03:05:26.000Eventually, after a bunch of people walking around naked for a week, you stop seeing naked people.
03:05:31.000And one of the people in my camp, it could be a lie, they say they have something called Acceptable Boner Tuesday, where guys will take fucking Cialis and just walk around with fucking boners.
03:07:01.000Yeah, there's a lot of, like, stuff like that that goes on, and everyone's super, like, I mean, I don't, you know, that's the fucking Gladiator Dome!
03:08:25.000I gotta tell you, man, most of the cops I saw, they seem to be having really funny conversations with people at Burning Man who are just talking to them.
03:08:33.000Some of them are, you know, there are arrests, but from what I saw, it's not like, I think for a cop, after being at Burning Man for three days, I think their perspective starts changing maybe a little bit because they're in this weirdness just like everybody else.
03:09:09.000But like one of the things they do is they'll go to like...
03:09:14.000With Monopoly money, with like fake money and fake plastic bags and do fake drug deals so that suddenly the undercover cops will come out and then they'll follow the undercover cops, you know, because it draws them out.