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00:00:45.000Well, I believe the end of the world is tomorrow, so you're the preview to the end of the world.
00:00:50.000So I feel like you're gonna offer some, well, hopefully, together, we're gonna offer some perspective, and we're gonna get a look at this thing.
00:00:57.000Yeah, well, I already pounded two of these bad boys, so I am ready to...
00:01:53.000I heard it described by Terrence McKenna as like molecularly, if you looked at it in scale, it's something the size of an ant that can break down the Empire State Building in 30 minutes.
00:02:04.000That's a bit much for me at this point.
00:04:07.000They will, but it's going to be more than ten bucks.
00:04:09.000I don't even mind putting it together.
00:04:10.000It was just time for me not to have to put together furniture.
00:04:14.000I put a desk together once, and it's, you know, I was like, I forget if it had an estimate of how much time it took, but it took me four fucking hours.
00:05:04.000I prefer sativa, but if someone's passed around an indica joint, I don't say no.
00:05:08.000See, all my comic friends like sativa.
00:05:11.000I like indica because for me at this point, and I guess this goes back to the doors and the mind thing, like, I don't want to think anymore if I'm smoking.
00:05:17.000I don't smoke pot to think or to write or anything.
00:05:19.000I smoke pot Because it's 11.30 at night, and I'm going to take one puff and watch a Seinfeld that I've seen 3,000 times already, or a Simpsons that I've seen 3,000 times, and that's it.
00:05:39.000Well, you know, people get real wary when you start talking about pot or acid or even alcohol because there's a lot of people that everyone knows that have kind of fucked their life up doing that.
00:05:50.000But 35,000 people die driving every year.
00:05:53.000It doesn't stop us from driving, you know?
00:05:55.000I mean, obviously, if you're doing acid, most likely you're not going to kill somebody else.
00:06:01.000So it's, you know, the responsibility of driving is even more intense.
00:06:03.000You could jump out a window like Helen Hunt.
00:06:06.000Did you ever see that infomer, that kids thing?
00:06:42.000I wake up and I go, man, I wish we had Carlin still, because we still, you know, obviously there's plenty of good comics out there and there's so much, there's such a breadth of stuff to talk about.
00:06:52.000Jamie, I don't need to see Helen Hunt.
00:06:55.000You know how many times that's been said before?
00:07:15.000Imagine what George Carlin would be going through if he lived right now in the politically correct age we live in.
00:07:21.000If you took any of his old stuff, he would be being attacked by all sides.
00:07:25.000But dare I say, he'd be attacked more by the left these days for the shit that he would be talking about saying about women or about minorities or anything, you know?
00:09:15.000But we need that idea of people just saying shit and letting it upset people and other people are going to laugh at it.
00:09:22.000We so desperately need it now because it has led, the inability to do that these days has led to everything that's happening in our country right now related to politics and media and everything.
00:10:27.000We're trying to, through words and trickery and now legal means, we're trying to dumb everyone down to the point that we can't even think for ourselves.
00:10:36.000If you look at somebody and you think they're a man and you say, dude...
00:11:45.000Because when you remove someone on Twitter for just a harmless joke that's very similar to the jokes that Leslie Jones makes about her own self, She's got a goddamn commercial where she pulls up.
00:12:11.000I mean, if you do that same joke with, you know, fill in the blank, what's that girl, Sofia Vergara or something like that, the joke doesn't work.
00:12:18.000She's hot as fuck, and then the guy would be like, oh yeah.
00:12:21.000But when Leslie Jones does it, the reason why that joke works is because they're implying that she's unattractive.
00:12:26.000So all Milo said is something about her being a man or looking like a man or something like that, and that was enough.
00:12:32.000Well, what's particularly interesting about what happened to him is that they claimed, I think, when Twitter finally said a little something about it, that it was because of targeted harassment.
00:12:40.000That Milo had unleashed his followers on her.
00:12:58.000There are instances, people had screen captured things, where she had gotten into fights with trolly type people, not public people, and said, guys, get them.
00:13:05.000So she had actually instigated mobs, but it's okay for all the politically correct reasons, it's okay when she does it.
00:13:11.000Well, not only had she done that, she had said things about white people specifically, like white people.
00:13:18.000Specifically mocking white people or saying things about white people.
00:13:22.000Whereas you can't do that the other way.
00:13:26.000There's also this very bizarre thing that people keep saying, is that black people can't be racist against white people, because racism only works when someone's in a position of power.
00:14:38.000I thought the movie started out really funny, but what he was saying was that it was a ridiculous feminist version of Ghostbusters, where all the men are complete buffoons and failures, and all the women save the day.
00:15:13.000But if he did do that, I could understand them saying, we don't want our platform used for that.
00:15:18.000Sure, so that's up to their terms of service.
00:15:20.000So there's obviously a difference between, of course, the First Amendment, which is the government stopping you from speaking, and what a private company can do.
00:15:26.000Ironically though, all these people on the left that were thrilled or had no problem with Milo being banned, they're the same people that wanted to force that baker in Indiana to bake the cake for the gay wedding.
00:17:42.000Yeah, and that's quite all right, but don't try to shut us down.
00:17:45.000Don't try to go to YouTube and strike us or whatever other thing there is, but that's what's...
00:17:49.000The left is doing this now, and that's why I talk about the left all the time, because I'm liberal, and I'm watching my guys ban speakers.
00:17:56.000I'm watching my guys de-platform people.
00:17:58.000I'm watching my guys try to close restaurants, and it's like, now you're moralizing the same way You've mocked the Christian right for all these years.
00:18:06.000Yeah, it gets to a point where you wonder if it's going to swing back the other way.
00:19:58.000You know, and I kind of appreciate that in a certain way, because it's like if you were watching a comedy show, and all of a sudden, during that comedy show, they started deeply discussing religion.
00:21:10.000These guys, if Barkley and all of them want to, if their TNT bosses are okay with it, and they go, well, you know, you can do that instead of talking about how many points Durant had, then so be it.
00:21:18.000But I'm just saying what I think most people want from sports is an escape.
00:21:38.000You know, it's the after show on TNT. I don't watch basketball.
00:21:41.000So it's Barkley, who's obviously completely outspoken and incredible, and Kenny Smith, who also is, and Shaq, and Ernie Johnson's the token white guy in the equation.
00:22:03.000I'd go to ESPN or TNT for sports, not for that.
00:22:08.000Right, and there's plenty to talk about in sports.
00:22:09.000There's all these players, all these plays, all these games, so much is riding on each event.
00:22:14.000Yeah, so I'm not begrudging them any of the legitimate things that you're talking about.
00:22:17.000Of course, the athletes can do whatever they want to express themselves in any way, but once that starts becoming more of what you're talking about than the sports, that's why people start tuning out.
00:22:27.000Well, again, the market's deciding, right?
00:22:29.000And if their ratings go down because of this, I guess maybe someone in the head office will go, hey guys, what the fuck?
00:23:39.000You know, I remember when that Sacco thing happened, and so basically she said that joke, she gets on a plane, she disappears for, what, eight, ten hours or something?
00:24:15.000So I really tried to make a conscious decision to just be like, you know, and I do that now and again with certain news things where I'm like, this one I'm gonna sit out because this gang mentality You didn't know who that was before.
00:24:28.000Nobody knew who this woman was before.
00:24:29.000But so one random person said something that I didn't like?
00:24:47.000Because there's some violent and aggressive invasion of privacy that's going on with companies that are trying to make a lot of money by doing that.
00:24:57.000And that's one of the things that a lot of people thought about Gawker.
00:25:56.000I have a big smile scar in the back of my head from...
00:25:59.000You let them chop out a piece of the back of your head and they tried to put it up front.
00:26:03.000Yeah, the way I describe it is like they take some people that are really healthy and they move them into a neighborhood where everyone's dying.
00:26:12.000Well, I was, you know, when I did it, I was in my late 20s and I was just on television and I was panicking because my hair was falling out.
00:26:20.000I was like, oh my god, my career is just getting started and I'm going to lose it all because I was thinking very probably correctly that a lot of my success was predicated on my appearance.
00:26:30.000And I was like, if this goes, if I go bald, I'm fucked.
00:26:34.000No one had shaved heads back then in the 90s either.
00:28:37.000But doesn't it seem doubly ridiculous then to someone like you, like, knowing that you shaved and you feel good and life goes on?
00:28:43.000But I get it from a psychological standpoint.
00:28:45.000I get it also as a person who likes to have control of their life.
00:28:49.000You feel like that's one thing that really freaks people out about their hair.
00:28:54.000Features and appearance is very bizarre, right?
00:28:58.000Because I know this woman who recently got a nose job, and she was beautiful, and she decided that she didn't like her nose, and she got a little bit trimmed off.
00:29:26.000But what I was going to get at is, it's really strange what we decide looks good.
00:29:33.000And that it's cultural in a lot of ways.
00:29:36.000How about those, I think it's Suri women who decide they put those giant plates in their lips.
00:29:43.000And the bigger the plate, the more cattle they're worth when they get married.
00:29:47.000There's like fucking really bizarre cultures.
00:29:50.000And it's an example of how human beings...
00:29:53.000When isolated, for whatever reason, I mean, there's scarification rituals that many cultures go through where they'll cut pieces out of their skin to look like crocodiles.
00:30:03.000Have you ever seen that, where they do their backs and men do it?
00:30:06.000Yeah, they cut these chunks out of their back, and then they develop these keloid scars that pop up.
00:30:47.000Well, you know, Joy Behar used to say a phrase on The View, dare I quote The View, but Joy Behar used to say something that I always thought was great and it was really simple.
00:30:57.000That everything really is just an inside job.
00:30:59.000So if you're walking around, your friend's walking around, and she thinks that this little, you know, beautiful woman, but she thinks this little millimeter, it bothers her for some reason.
00:33:14.000And you're trying to look like you're 20 because you're still in that race because you never found someone, whether it's a guy or a girl or whatever, that you can start maturing into some other thing with.
00:33:26.000And that's why marriage equality was important to me.
00:33:29.000Not whether someone actually gets married or not.
00:33:31.000Milo and I have great debates on this.
00:34:31.000At a minimum, if the sitcom's not going well, like, news radio wasn't really going well in terms of, like, we're trying to find its legs in the early days, and we would work 12, 14 hours a day, and it was really hard to do stand-up at night, and it was really hard to work out.
00:35:06.000I used to feel like a tasty little morsel in a big homo stew.
00:35:10.000I would walk in there, like a wounded antelope, trailing up to the waterhole, and there was all these dudes with like scrunchy socks, like from fucking Olivia Newton-John, Let's Get Physical, and they would have Timberlands on and cut off jeans.
00:35:30.000It was interesting, because it made me feel like what it must feel like to be a woman who's not interested in getting hit on, who goes to the gym.
00:35:38.000Yeah, well, when I first moved to West Hollywood, I first was intimidated by it because I was like, you know, I'm at this gym with all these, like, huge, muscly whatever.
00:35:46.000And then as time went on, I started enjoying it because I was like, this is actually ridiculous.
00:38:35.000Taking care of your biology, you know, respect your meat vehicle, take care of that thing, but try to enjoy this thing and live in the moment.
00:38:42.000And the more you don't live in the moment, the more you get caught up in bullshit, the more it gets away from you.
00:38:48.000And then anxiety and nonsense and all this stupidity.
00:38:51.000And that kind of goes back to Trump with his fucking wacky hair.
00:38:54.000Like you're not living in the moment if you're a 70 year old guy and you're spraying your hair down with a fucking gallon of Aquanet before you go out and everybody knows what you're doing.
00:39:34.000Well, I'm curious as to the backlash against Trump.
00:39:38.000Not the current backlash against Trump, but when it's going to come from other people.
00:39:42.000Because people, whenever someone is perceived to be a bully, whether he is or not, you can make your own choice, your own decision about that.
00:39:53.000And I think that's also probably one of the reasons why he's been so successful is because he's so ruthlessly competitive and he thinks of himself so highly.
00:39:59.000And those sort of traits, like narcissistic traits, are oftentimes very prevalent in people that are successful in business.
00:41:19.000Because I think he'd also agree that this is kind of important.
00:41:22.000Like, it just shows you, it's not whether or not Donald Trump's conservative approach and make America great again and not letting in terrorists and all that stuff.
00:41:32.000All the things you may or may not agree with.
00:41:33.000We're just talking about from a psychological standpoint, from looking at him as a human being.
00:41:59.000So on April 24th, 2013, at 11am, someone comes into my office and says, Donald Trump just tweeted, I promise you, I'm much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz.
00:42:15.000I mean Jon Stewart, who by the way, is totally overrated.
00:47:29.000That's all completely, utterly insane.
00:47:31.000Strange, like, anti-Semitic dog whistling, although it's as if Jon Stewart's hiding the fact that he's Jewish.
00:47:36.000He talks about being Jewish every day.
00:47:37.000There's so much bizarre lunacy in there in the comments, but...
00:47:40.000My best defense of him is not that he...
00:47:43.000Look, the guy's obviously a narcissist.
00:47:44.000He obviously has some sort of personality disorder and all kinds of other shit.
00:47:47.000And shady business practices and we don't know the taxes and all that stuff.
00:47:51.000The defense I can give of him is that he's using the system against itself.
00:47:55.000So all of this corrupt media bullshit, all of this political correctness, all of the outrage culture, all the stuff we've been talking about...
00:48:02.000He purposely does it just to keep his name out there.
00:48:06.000So these idiots, the lapdog media just keeps giving him free attention.
00:48:10.000And then by giving him free attention, he doesn't have to spend the money that all the other candidates do.
00:49:00.000I mean, that's what politics is all about.
00:49:01.000But what's important to know, first of all, I agree with you, and I think his use of really ridiculous statements and stuff is brilliant because he does force the media to report on some of the things he says.
00:49:10.000But that was 2013. He wasn't running for president then.
00:49:13.000No, so he has always used it for his own purposes, just to keep his own celebrity out there, right?
00:49:20.000So everything he's done from any point that I can remember him from in the 80s to forward has been to further his own brand, his own empire, his own money, all of that stuff.
00:50:32.000You know, NBC, they invited me to go on Celebrity Apprentice back when we did the second version of Fear Factor, which I guess was like 2011 or 12 or something like that.
00:52:13.000And it's very, very disturbing when you consider the fact that it doesn't disqualify you from running the government.
00:52:21.000If you're going to have someone who represents the people of, as Jon Stewart said, and I agree, the greatest country in the world, you should have someone who's honest.
00:52:30.000And look, even Barack Obama's turned out through these WikiLeaks.
00:52:35.000Releases that he lied about not knowing that Hillary Clinton had that email server.
00:52:39.000He had commented on it, and he had emailed her on it.
00:52:51.000I've had him on the podcast before, and I enjoyed him.
00:52:54.000I like talking to him, but how do you not know what Aleppo is?
00:52:58.000I didn't know where Aleppo is, by the way, but I knew what was going on in Syria, but I didn't know the name of the city that was getting bombed.
00:53:03.000Sure, and of course, look, the media is disingenuous when they find that Aleppo moment with Gary Johnson, and suddenly that's the lead story all over the place, or for 24 hours it's all over Twitter, because it's like, you guys ignored everything he says, so now he's screwed up once, and now that's the way you discredit him.
00:54:03.000I actually think, as much as I like him personally, he's done the Libertarians, and in a certain way the country, a major disservice by being so ill-prepared for this.
00:54:12.000So many people would have been excited to have heard an actual...
00:54:16.000Imagine if there was a Libertarian right now.
00:54:20.000A Ross Perot type, or just someone who had a certain command of the issues, because Gary, he's good, and all the reasons that we like him, but he's kind of goofy and silly, and, you know, he stammers a lot, and he speaks in a funny way, and his body language is kind of, you know, slippery, or I don't know.
00:54:38.000This was the year, if we're ever going to have a third party, a third choice, something like that, this was the year where it could have made a real dent the way Ross Perot did.
00:54:46.000And Gary could have, it should have been the libertarian candidate more than Jill Stein, I think.
00:54:52.000But Gary just, at every opportunity to show that he knows what he's doing, can speak clearly about the issues...
00:56:59.000She's a Democrat who CNN had on as a contributor, as if she could possibly give you any remotely honest answer on anything.
00:57:08.000She then becomes the head of the DNC. And then now it's, of course, come out on WikiLeaks in the last week that she was feeding Hillary questions for the debates.
00:57:19.000For all your fans out there that hate the Republicans, you still got to acknowledge that there is something deeply, deeply corrupt with the Democrats.
00:58:24.000So for the last couple years, where a lot of online people would be screaming about the government's corrupt, the media's in bed with them, you know, they're pitching softball interviews.
00:58:32.000Well, now we're seeing that it's actually true.
00:58:34.000Like there's actual evidence in email saying, yeah, give softball stories to easy reporters at the New York Times.
00:58:40.000Don't talk to this person, you know, blah, blah, blah.
00:58:45.000And then you throw Trump into it, and you throw trolling and internet culture, and you get all of that going and back to that popcorn that we started with.
00:58:52.000Now it's all bubbling at once, and it all comes down to tomorrow.
00:58:57.000And I also think there's waves of this stuff.
00:58:59.000There's waves of outrage, and then the people sort of get resigned to it all because they get their own life calls.
00:59:05.000If you really wanted to delve deep into the Clintons or delve deep into Trump, that would absorb every second of your day for decades.
01:00:35.000There's always been ridiculous people who are almost like vampire familiars, who stay close to the master.
01:00:43.000And so they want to, you know, in one way or another, feed off of whatever power that he has and capitalize on it, whether it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz, whether it's, you know, what is a woman's name that's the Attorney General that Clinton met on the tarmac in his jet?
01:01:28.000I think I think now he officially is but his whole point was it's not the policy Understand what he's doing the trolling understand the leading that he does and then comes in after all that He fully gets it.
01:01:42.000Yeah, I mean I feel like what Trump represents to a lot of people that are supporting him is They'll they're willing to look past all of his flaws and all the bullshit and the bullying and the craziness because he's something completely unique and Yeah.
01:01:57.000That has never run for president before.
01:01:59.000What he is, what he represents is a guy who has been inside but is also outside.
01:02:05.000He is independent in terms of financially.
01:02:09.000And he's also independent in terms of his connections and his obligations to them.
01:02:14.000One of the things about him being a narcissist and one of the things about him being a guy who probably doesn't have a whole lot of friends is that In establishing that and becoming this super successful guy who's really concerned only about himself, he's immune to all that cronyism bullshit.
01:03:08.000What's happening is people are, they're so frustrated.
01:03:11.000They're frustrated about language and all the bullshit and seeing all the nonsense between the media and the White House Correspondents Dinner where, you know, they call it nerd prom and all the, they're supposed to be guarding the politicians and instead they're having dinner with them.
01:03:24.000And we could go through the list of the amount of people that are on CNN that are married to public people or worked for I just mentioned the Don of Brazil thing.
01:03:32.000Paul Begala, for example, he runs a Hillary super PAC. He's on CNN as an analyst.
01:03:45.000Everyone wants to be close to power in a certain way, so if you had Barack Obama, you had the president in here, You probably, in your first interview with him, the first time you met him, might go a little easier, hoping that he might come back again, because you'd like to be around it a little bit.
01:04:31.000What I would do if I had a chance to sit down with Barack Obama, because he's not much older than me.
01:04:36.000He's only a couple years older than me.
01:04:37.000I essentially could hang out with that guy.
01:04:39.000I think in a lot of ways, let's forget about what he's done and the drones and the attacks on whistleblowers and the attacks on the freedom of the press.
01:04:48.000There's been a lot of horrible things that have occurred during this administration.
01:04:51.000It's been one of the worst administrations in terms of freedom of the press.
01:05:06.000What I would talk to him about is, what is it like being a human being under that immense amount of pressure, and is that job even manageable?
01:05:14.000Is it possible for one person to really be responsible for 300 and whatever million people there are here?
01:05:41.000All he is supposed to do is sign the law.
01:05:43.000Congress writes the law, the legislative branch.
01:05:45.000And then the judicial branch, the courts, actually make sure that they're legal and there's separation of powers and a balance so that they can, you know, checks and balances so they make sure no branch gets too powerful.
01:05:55.000But if you think about it, think about what the last two years have been like for this election.
01:08:49.000Is that the system is so corrupt that all it could choke out, all the two years of this bullshit could give us at the end was these two.
01:08:57.000Like, I kind of think they just, they perfectly deserve each other.
01:09:00.000But if you want to look and find out what went wrong, you got to look in the mirror because we all have to look at ourselves and say, how did we all allow this to happen?
01:09:42.000Maybe, so for all the things that we're talking about, it seems to me that Trump, the best sales job I could give for Trump would be that he has a lot.
01:09:53.000They have everything that most of us want, immaterial assets and all that stuff.
01:09:57.000And it's like, is he really people that are like, he's going to start World War III or, you know, we're going to fight North Korea or Well, isn't that a real concern, though, with his hubris and the way he treats opponents in business and the way he treats opponents socially, like Rosie O'Donnell, the way he does sort of conduct himself.
01:10:14.000That is not something that you can do if you want to talk to some foreign leader.
01:11:17.000Well, have you seen the thing, the difference between the FBI director giving the description of what Hillary did and then her saying what the FBI had said?
01:11:26.000I mean, it is so horrifically inaccurate and dishonest.
01:11:32.000It's just like, how does that not immediately disqualify you?
01:11:36.000If she was running against, let's put it this way, if she was running against Obama, and this was the Hillary Clinton that we had been exposed to, it's like our standards have dropped so low.
01:11:47.000But the media would have been all over her because they liked Obama.
01:11:50.000Trump has been the great unifier to take all of these people, progressives and liberals and all these people, and even the never-Trump conservatives, all these people, they're all unified in just their hatred of Trump.
01:12:00.000And then that gets them to ignore all the horrible shit about Hillary.
01:12:03.000So the stuff with the emails, when the guy basically, Comey came out and he was like, well, it wasn't negligent.
01:12:09.000He was like, she's basically an idiot.
01:12:10.000She didn't know what she was doing, but it wasn't negligent.
01:12:26.000Everything she did, if she was a sailor, you know the story about the naval officer who took photos, it wasn't even an officer, it was an enlisted guy, who took photos of the inside of a nuclear cockpit and he's facing 10 years in jail.
01:12:41.000Just took photos on his phone of top secret shit.
01:12:43.000Well, did you see this in the last two days that Hillary was having her cleaning lady print emails?
01:13:48.000You can get a decent job for the most part.
01:13:50.000We go to New York City and go on a subway and be with literally every single person from every part of the world, from every ethnicity and nationality and religion and race and sexuality, and we're all here and we're not killing each other.
01:14:02.000That doesn't mean that we could do a lot better.
01:15:01.000Then what the average person, if you're in Ohio or you're in Florida or Colorado or whatever, your votes, literally every single person's vote matters.
01:15:09.000Which also highlights how fucking goofy the system is.
01:16:59.000It's something unique that he had not experienced before.
01:17:03.000So think how depressing that is with everything going on here and for as much as you and I are in this thing, like in it in a public way, that we both maybe will begrudgingly the day before the election kind of be like, eh, we're gonna vote for the guy that definitely can't win.
01:17:16.000I mean, think about the shit that you've just said about Hillary.
01:17:23.000Now look, Sam Harris, who's one of my heroes, who I know you've had on a zillion times, and I've had him on, and he did the best sell job he could on Hillary.
01:17:47.000And look, I hold him as high as I can hold another person.
01:17:51.000But I think that maybe the best way this could go down is that if you're really afraid of what could happen with Trump, that the rules have just changed forever and that just doesn't sound right, that Trump would be President of the United States, this reality TV star.
01:18:07.000If you're really, really afraid of that, I think the best argument for Clinton then would be that get her in.
01:18:13.000The system basically keeps chugging along.
01:18:15.000And then good liberals and decent conservatives and libertarians and the people that really aren't on the fringes that are dragging everybody apart.
01:18:39.000Like that's really what I'm giving you right now because I got nothing left with one day to go in this fucking thing.
01:18:43.000But that's what I would say is that It's become obvious to me over the course of this, the average conservative who I may disagree with on taxes or abortion or whatever, they're not my enemy.
01:19:24.000Explain what you just said about the whole reason why we're in this...
01:19:28.000We're in this position because we've got...
01:19:30.000Because over the last however long, because of cable news, because of Twitter, because of all of that...
01:19:34.000Everyone caters their news to themselves and then demonizes everybody else.
01:19:39.000So everyone on the right will tell you that they're all libtard, leftist, socialist, Marxist, blah, blah, blah.
01:19:45.000And everyone on the left will tell you that they're all racist, white supremacist Nazis.
01:19:49.000And it's like neither one of those things are true.
01:19:52.000It's like when people argue about abortion and it's like everyone on the left will say that the People on the right, they're against abortion.
01:20:21.000Democrats and Republicans used to work together.
01:20:23.000Yeah, well, civility and just the common bond of being American and being so incredibly fortunate to be born on this awesome patch of dirt.
01:21:06.000I had Rita Panahian, who's a writer for the Herald Sun in Australia.
01:21:09.000She's born in Iran, moved to Australia.
01:21:12.000Now she's basically, she's on the right in that she's, you know, she would be considered a Republican here and she's actually fighting against immigration the way they're doing it there because she realized how good that country is.
01:21:23.000She says Australia is the most tolerant nation on earth and we're now unfurling that tolerance by allowing everybody in, even if Even if they don't believe the things we believe and even if they don't want to integrate and assimilate properly and all that stuff.
01:21:36.000Well, they're very hard on illegal immigrants.
01:21:38.000They take illegal immigrants, they put them on a boat and they ship them to a fucking island.
01:21:42.000Yeah, which is happening all over the place and they're sinking boats.
01:21:44.000I mean, there are videos of boats trying to get to Greece and they're just literally sinking, right?
01:21:52.000Yeah, there's some other places that are pretty good.
01:21:54.000But the fight against people who disagree and demonization, I completely agree with you on.
01:22:00.000I think that we have a real problem with teams.
01:22:03.000We have a really real tribal mentality.
01:22:05.000Whether it's a team of the right or a team of the left or even a team of the independents.
01:22:09.000I've been seeing so many people and I've been so disappointed with so many people ignoring all the things that Clinton has done.
01:22:16.000And using that hashtag, I'm with her, especially my friends that are women, that are really excited about having the first woman president.
01:22:26.000This is like, if you wanted to have the first woman president, wouldn't you want to have a woman who was like Obama when he ran for president?
01:22:36.000Was a perfect candidate in a lot of ways and a perfect response to George Bush.
01:22:41.000I mean take away all the things that he didn't do that he had offered in his whole hope and change campaign and there's so much that he went against especially really disturbing stuff like the whistleblower thing like he he was offering support for whistleblowers and saying that if people were doing illegal activity and they expose that they would be protected which has been absolutely not the case.
01:23:22.000She's a scary person in a lot of ways.
01:23:24.000All this shit that she's been saying about Russia being a part of the attack and the hacks on her email server and the DNC, that's all bullshit.
01:23:35.000She's offered up the fact that she would respond militarily, militarily against Russia for her writing a bunch of fucked up shit in emails and getting caught for it.
01:23:47.000So the way you know that it's actual bullshit, and you're not just, you know, given hyperbole there, is that if they were doing the things that now the Hillary campaign is claiming, and they do it very carefully, they're very careful with their words, where they never flat out condemn them for, you know, it's, but it has to be coming from the Russians and blah,
01:24:03.000And it's a magic trick to keep you off the topics of the emails, which is really the stuff we should be talking about.
01:24:10.000But the way you know it's really not real is that if it was real, let's say there was real evidence, the CIA or the FBI or NSA or whatever had real evidence that Russia was genuinely rigging our elections, either with Trump or without Trump or whatever.
01:25:26.000That you release enough so that she's damaged.
01:25:28.000Now she gets into the White House, and then either you start continually leaking more, because I suspect they've got plenty more, you continually leak more to hamper her, or you actually then have some shit over her.
01:26:35.000It came from just them looking into this other creep and finding out that he's sending his dick pics to some 15-year-old girl or whatever the fuck he was doing.
01:28:39.000I'm not defending any of those things.
01:28:41.000But when someone's actually pulling the curtain, showing you the wizard, And now the wizard's a little weirder than you like, and they go, ah, well, forget that.
01:28:49.000You know, like, let's pull the curtain back and get another curtain, and, you know, and that's what they're all afraid of.
01:28:53.000They're afraid of, this is their chance, and if they blow it, it'll never, that the machine will just swallow everybody up.
01:29:00.000I don't think the machine's swallowing shit.
01:29:02.000I think what we're seeing is the inevitable demise of a system that's wholly incompatible with the internet.
01:30:12.000So think about just what we've done here.
01:30:14.000Whether if we got one decent point in however long we've been sitting here.
01:30:17.000If we got one thing out 15 years ago, You could not do this.
01:30:21.000You could not have two people fully unfiltered for this amount of time doing what we're doing.
01:30:27.000So if we manage one cogent point in this whole thing, that's more than you could have got out 15 years ago.
01:30:33.000Well, it's definitely more than you're ever going to see on networks because networks have an obligation and they have an agenda.
01:30:40.000And I was going back and forth, and I tweeted about this, that I was going back and forth between Fox News and CNN one night.
01:30:46.000I just sat in front of the TV. My wife and kids were out.
01:30:49.000And so I was just sitting in front of the TV, stoned as fuck, flipping through the channels, going back and forth between CNN and Fox, and I was goddamn bewildered.
01:30:57.000I was like, I'm watching two different worlds.
01:30:59.000It's like there's two different parallel universes.
01:31:01.000In one parallel universe, Hillary Clinton is the savior of the world, and the other one, she's a monster, and Bill Clinton's a rapist and a sexual predator, and these women are a bunch of bimbos who just came out against Donald Trump, and they're all puppets, and Gloria Allred's in on it,
01:31:18.000I'm like, what would a person think if this is their first exposure to human beings?
01:31:25.000If an alien came here from another planet and their first exposure to human beings was looking at this process to decide who controls the button that has all the nuclear weapons of the world pointed at various countries...
01:32:07.000And right now, I think we're at a very early stage of this technological progression.
01:32:14.000And I think we're looking at it in terms of the internet and devices and phones and laptops and shit.
01:32:18.000But I think new technology is going to emerge that's going to...
01:32:23.000Look, no one would have ever thought that you would have people addicted to a phone just 20 years ago.
01:32:29.000No one would have ever even considered the idea of being addicted to a phone, that you would go to a restaurant and 80% of the people would just be on their phone.
01:32:36.000And no one likes it when you bring it up.
01:32:38.000If you say to them, hey man, want to get off your phone?
01:32:40.000Like, fuck dude, I got important emails coming through.
01:32:54.000This is step one of an ultimate complete invasiveness.
01:32:58.000There's going to be some new technology, whether it's a neural implant or whether there's some other device that we're going to wear, but there's going to be something that connects us far more intimately with each other than what we're experiencing now, which is pretty goddamn intimate.
01:33:26.000Look, it's not that this shit's happening tomorrow, but instead of talking about grabbing pussy and emails, we should be talking about some of these things.
01:33:35.000Some of these actual things that are going to shape our lives.
01:33:39.000And we don't talk about any of this stuff.
01:34:11.000Before virtual reality, you're going to have augmented reality.
01:34:14.000And I think that augmented human beings, human beings that are augmented with technology, that's really going to be what's going to separate us from what we are now, which is essentially the monkey holding the device.
01:34:25.000I think the device is going to be in the monkey.
01:34:27.000Yeah, well look, Zoltan's got the chip in him, and it can open his garage door.
01:34:31.000He was talking about a guy, you know, he knows a guy that wants to chop his arm off to get the bionic arm to be able, you know, and get Wi-Fi in your arm.
01:35:10.000Comedy, you know, there's been some really not very good looking people that have done a wonderful job of telling jokes and becoming famous.
01:35:19.000I mean, I haven't even been doing stand-up much in the last couple of years, but I think relatively speaking, we've got to be on the higher end of...
01:36:25.000It was created by people who rode horses to get around, and they needed a representative government because there was no fucking way you're going to be able to talk to someone in Missouri.
01:36:32.000It would take forever, and so they needed someone to talk to those people and then get the word back to Washington.
01:36:59.000I mean, just on the technology front and how we vote, it's like every state has two senators.
01:37:03.000And the reason they did it back then was because they wanted to make sure that the states like Montana that have nobody living there had some sort of representation.
01:37:23.000I certainly wouldn't be for changing the Constitution, but the fact that Montana has two senators and California has two senators, California has the 10th biggest economy in the world, something like that.
01:37:37.000Technology has changed, so it's not necessary anymore.
01:37:39.000The people in Montana can hear all the same shit that the people in California have.
01:37:43.000So there are things that are happening now that the system, because it's so ingrained, and because the people that control it and the money...
01:37:51.000I don't even think that's a conspiracy.
01:37:52.000I think that's just the way things work.
01:38:00.000You know, by the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act II, the NDAA, there's a lot of weird shit that's already in place that kind of takes away from the things that the Founding Fathers had set up to make sure that tyranny was never embraced.
01:39:18.000Governments should be transparent, but there is some shit, are you with me on this, that some shit has to go down that we can't know about.
01:40:53.000I think the next step is that you can't keep track of that anymore.
01:40:56.000The next step is it's going to be a resource-based economy.
01:41:00.000Meaning that people are just going to be sharing and trading in resources.
01:41:04.000And we're going to have to figure out some way to quantify those resources and quantify your value.
01:41:08.000And I don't think it's going to be the way it is now where you have these hedge fund managers and these Bernie Madoff twats that are fucking just essentially moving numbers around and making ungodly sums of money.
01:41:20.000I mean, if you look at the Hamptons, a lot of those fucking people that have these castles out there, and the castles in Connecticut, You have these people that have just figured out a way to move numbers around.
01:41:33.000They're playing tricks with the system, basically.
01:41:35.000Yes, they're extracting money from a broken system.
01:41:37.000Well, that's why I think that, you know, even when people come after Trump on the money stuff, you know, the whole thing with the $918 million and the write-off and all that.
01:41:50.000Because, again, it's just trolling the system.
01:41:53.000But did you remember when Howard Stern was running for governor and they were forcing him to reveal his taxes and he went, fuck you, I'm out.
01:41:59.000Oh, was that what happened to get him to drop, basically?
01:42:03.000Howard's a very wise guy, so I would imagine that he knew that was going to happen and didn't really want to be governor anyway.
01:42:09.000But when he was running for governor, that was the hurdle.
01:42:12.000They told him he had to expose his taxes.
01:42:14.000To Howard's credit, I love, love, love Howard.
01:42:18.000You know, did you see a couple weeks ago, people were asking him to release all the Trump interviews from all the years, from the 20 years?
01:42:25.000And he said, no, I'm not going to do it because...
01:42:27.000When people came and come to my studio, we're playing a game, sort of.
01:43:00.000Well, I mean, there's a time and a place for things, but there's also, you have to think that this guy was not running for president back when he was saying those things.
01:43:10.000He was just being a silly man on a silly show where it's all about humor and being a good sport and playing a role, as Howard put it.
01:43:19.000Maybe you're paraphrasing him, but I think that's pretty accurate.
01:43:24.000Look, he would have had an opportunity to get him in the mix again, more publicity for him, and he said, no, that's not what the purpose of what I've built here for the last 40 years is, and I'm not going to throw in on this garbage.
01:43:38.000Well, you know, I'm sure he probably realizes that if he ever decided to run for government in any form now, the same thing would be used against him.
01:43:46.000But what does that say about the state of free speech?
01:44:12.000You care about honesty and being forthright and all of that stuff, right?
01:44:16.000Think of all the things that you've said here about doing drugs or sex or blah, blah, blah.
01:44:20.000Someone like you would never want to run for president, ever.
01:44:24.000Could you even possibly fathom Well, I wouldn't want the job, but if I did run, I don't want to, but if I did, they would definitely use all that stuff against me.
01:44:34.000But that's why context is so incredibly important.
01:44:36.000And this is also an incredibly new thing with human beings, being able to extract little sound bites from things that you've said, and whether it's a tweet from Justine Sacco or whatever the fuck it is, and then say, this defines you.
01:44:48.000This moment, this one moment defines you.
01:44:51.000This one moment where someone cuts you off and you go, Fucking cunt!
01:45:30.000But anyone, anyone that doesn't like us or wanted to discredit us or anything, and, you know, not to bring it back to Sam again, but you know the types of things that people with really awful intentions have done with misquoting him and all that stuff.
01:45:45.000That outrage monster that will find one thing that you did or said once to then destroy every other piece of goodness that you've put out there must end.
01:45:55.000And that is a big piece of what's happening here, too.
01:45:57.000I also think discourse in particular, like discourse against Sam, is what a lot of people are doing.
01:46:02.000They're playing a game and Sam has a high profile and they're using their voice to attack that high profile to make a move on the castle.
01:46:10.000You know, it's like they're moving chess pieces around and they're using strategy and they're saying, well, he said this about Islam, you know, and do you understand how many billions of people are peaceful Muslims and how offensive this is to say that That's what they're doing.
01:46:35.000You want someone to respond back in a blog?
01:46:39.000You're requiring an incredible amount of their time to sit there and formulate another blog.
01:46:42.000But you know that, that it's a one-way dialogue.
01:46:45.000Someone writes an attack blog on Dave Rubin.
01:46:48.000That's a very cowardly thing, because what they're doing is they're sort of forcing you to respond by establishing a false narrative, or by portraying you in an unfavorable light, by taking things out of context and using them.
01:47:04.000And it's funny when you read it, like, wow, this is weird.
01:47:08.000Yeah, or that someone spent so much thought on extrapolating something that you said that you didn't either mean or it's like, wow, you really went deep on my psyche in a way that had nothing to do with it.
01:47:18.000So you know this guy Mike Cernovich by any chance?
01:48:18.000He must hate women or something to that effect.
01:48:20.000And it's like, what you guys are doing is just...
01:48:24.000You're picking, okay, so should I let you pick who I talk to?
01:48:27.000And that's like, you should have the guy on.
01:48:29.000You'll get a certain amount of hate for it, but you'll have a really interesting conversation with him.
01:48:33.000Haven't you had people that you've communicated with that you thought were one way, and as you got to know them better and better, you found out some stuff they had said, and you went, whoa, hold on.
01:48:43.000There's some things that people say that is just absolutely...
01:48:58.000So I can see the point of taking some things, and maybe they might be even out of context, and using that to sort of, like, say, at the very least, consider this.
01:49:07.000Sure, but as an interviewer, you or I are not held to...
01:49:13.000If we had to basically vet every person that we ever sat down with for every thought that they had three years ago on Twitter, we would have a pretty fucking lonely life.
01:49:23.000Well, I've had some pretty offensive people on, for sure.
01:49:25.000I've gotten a lot of shit for the Milo interviews.
01:49:27.000I've gotten a lot of shit for some other people that I've had on, too.
01:50:17.000At one point, this girl, In the audience, she just busts about halfway through, starts screaming.
01:50:22.000People didn't know she was a protester.
01:50:25.000She gets in, she starts screaming, I hate you, I hate you, blah, blah, blah.
01:50:28.000So I stopped and I said, I bet you, actually, we were going to do a Q&A at the end, but I bet you right now, if you ask Milo one question that you really are burning, or make one point, I bet you he'll respond to you.
01:50:38.000So I stopped the show, ready for this.
01:50:46.000But that's how stupid these people are.
01:50:48.000Are they stupid or are they just kids?
01:50:50.000Like, when you're talking about these kids that are protesting and stopping people from going into lectures or some of these crazy feminists that have...
01:50:58.000You know the scene from the University of Toronto, very famous thing, where they had this guy.
01:51:02.000They completely misrepresented his opinions on things.
01:51:05.000And they had painted this guy out to be anti-female and anti-woman as some sort of a men's rights thing.
01:51:22.000There's a thing going on where it's as much as trying to get back at the perceived winners of the world when you feel like you've been a loser of the world.
01:51:31.000That's where I think white privilege is coming from and a lot of this stuff.
01:51:34.000Not to deny that white people have it easier than black people in terms of dealing with racism.
01:51:40.000But it doesn't mean that those white people are racist.
01:51:43.000There's a lot of white people that are your allies.
01:51:45.000Like, the real problem is the racists themselves, not people who aren't victim of the racists.
01:51:50.000It's like saying that these people are lucky.
01:51:54.000But painting it in some sort of a way, like, where these privileged people, they're assholes for allowing this privilege to even take place.
01:52:24.000I mean, I think that's why we went from the 60s to the 70s and the 70s to the 80s.
01:52:28.000I mean, it also responds to the condemnation of psychedelic drugs.
01:52:34.000Sweeping Schedule One Act that passed in 1970, which was directly attributable to Richard Nixon realizing that a lot of what was going on, a lot of people that are coming after him, were part of the psychedelic movement.
01:52:43.000All these Republicans started realizing, like, we have to stop this.
01:52:46.000This psychedelic movement will destroy our culture.
01:52:49.000You go from this Goldwater Republican era to all of a sudden you're dealing with freaks and hippies and Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin, and they're like, stop the fucking fire!
01:52:59.000And they just threw as much water on as they could.
01:53:01.000They locked a bunch of people in jail and they created laws that made marijuana in particular and all these other drugs.
01:53:07.000They demonized them so that they could go after the civil rights movement.
01:53:11.000The people that were in charge of it, they got them for drugs.
01:53:13.000And so they would go after all these different anti-war protest movements.
01:53:17.000They would go after them for drugs too.
01:53:19.000And that Schedule I classification of these things that weren't dangerous or deadly or killing anyone was directly attributable to a strategy where they were going after people that opposed the Vietnam War.
01:53:31.000The going after people that imposed the administration clearly lying to them about all sorts of things.
01:53:37.000And that was before they even knew that the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag, the original thing that got us into Vietnam.
01:54:25.000And I think one of the things that's happening with this alt-right movement and these people that are really super conservative and like, build that fucking wall!
01:56:36.000Again, in that conversation that he had on that bus, I've heard way worse from some people that I love and cherish very deeply, and they're trying to be funny, and they're saying fucked up things that are totally ridiculously gross, and a lot of them are saying it because it's just you and me, and you and me, and we'll just talk some shit.
01:56:52.000Yeah, and by the way, words are not actions.
01:57:52.000The problem is that just relying completely on the burden of evidence being like physical proof, you're dealing with an act of people touching each other's bodies, and it's just there's not a whole lot of proof when it comes to that.
01:58:04.000So I agree with that, but then what do you do?
01:58:06.000Because we know that some people, when they give a rape allegation, we know that there's going to be a lot of people that are telling you the absolute truth as they remember it.
01:58:19.000There's also going to be crazy people that make things up.
01:58:22.000There's going to be some spectrum in between those two things.
01:58:25.000Where you're going to have people that exaggerate situations, and I'm sure you've had any conversations that you've had with people that maybe you've had a disagreement and they go to someone else, and they completely refame the disagreement like you're a piece of shit.
01:58:37.000We love to do it, and we love to do it for all kinds of things, and I've been guilty of it, and I'm sure you have, and everybody listening to this thing, I'm sure.
01:58:44.000As we are learning the very complicated game of communication with human beings and how much is involved in it, the ego and personality conflicts and where you are in your life and your own stresses and frustrations and whatever the fuck is going on, whatever is going on in this big struggle that we're all involved in,
01:59:13.000So, it's not that there's no evidence, because there's people that are talking.
01:59:17.000It's just, it's nothing you can put on a scale.
01:59:20.000And we don't know how to read minds yet.
01:59:22.000And the problem is, if you read minds, man, I've had some fucking memories of things, then I went back and looked at them, again, like a video of something, and I'm like, wow, I didn't even know I went to there.
02:00:09.000That's got to be absolutely horrific, and it's entirely possible that some people can go through an assault or a crime like that and remember everything.
02:00:16.000And then there's other people that cannot.
02:00:19.000There's people that even black out horrible things because the memory is so disturbing to them that they have to block them out, especially molestations.
02:00:28.000A lot of people go through that later in life when they realize what they were trying to suppress.
02:00:33.000Your brain is literally trying to save you.
02:00:56.000I just don't think that she's a good representative in terms of her need for financial compensation for speeches and the Goldman Sachs connection and the connection to the Saudis.
02:01:08.000I also don't have a fucking clue as to what it's like to deal with foreign policy and foreign leaders.
02:01:13.000And I don't know if that's even avoidable.
02:01:20.000The Saudis, whether we like it or not, who do horrific things and export all kinds of Wahhabism and real extremism and are bombing the shit out of Yemen and with our weapons and all kinds of stuff.
02:01:30.000Well, she also took a million dollars from Qatar.
02:01:32.000Qatar right now is using slave labor to build their World Cup stadium, which they may not even get the World Cup.
02:01:45.000You don't give a million dollars for no reason.
02:01:47.000But that, again, goes to, like, we're seeing how all this shit is made right now.
02:01:51.000And the simple fact is, if you're upset that she has a close relationship with the Saudis, then you gotta hate Obama for it, too.
02:01:57.000Where I think a lot of these people are letting that slide.
02:02:00.000I'm not even making a judgment call on it as much to say as...
02:02:03.000There are things that are going on at extremely high levels for governments and that we just have to try to decipher some truth to it because we're not going to get it other way.
02:02:20.000Well, how could they possibly be our ally if we're four women?
02:02:23.000If Barack Obama is four women, if Hillary Clinton is four women, how is Saudi Arabia one of our most stable allies that we give a ton of money to if that's what it is?
02:02:33.000The only thing that I would take into consideration is that If I was trying to figure this out as an outsider, I would see there's got to be some benefit to keeping people like that connected to you and obligated to communicate with you and your friend.
02:02:53.000Also, establishing a non-combative relationship with a very, very wealthy Middle East country.
02:03:00.000That there more could be done with honey than with vinegar.
02:03:03.000You know, that this idea of being connected with those people, there might be some sort of a benefit.
02:03:07.000Because they're so alien to us, and they're so dominant in their control over their environment.
02:03:12.000Like, you look at these dictators in these foreign countries that we supported for so many years, and you can make the argument that they're horrible, absolutely terrible people that we should have nothing to do with.
02:03:22.000You could also make the argument that that part of the world is so fucked up that you have to somehow or another maintain some sort of friendly connection to the people that are in power.
02:03:33.000And then that might be the best way to keep everybody safe while we figure out a fucking strategy, how to deal with religious fundamentalist crazy people that literally have trillions of dollars at their disposal to do anything they want.
02:04:14.000Well think about Egypt is the best example of what you're talking about because Egypt for 30 years had Mubarak This was a guy.
02:04:19.000He was a military guy backed by the United States horrible on human rights and all that other stuff But he kept control of the country basically kept their borders kept peace with Israel basically kept things under control I was in Egypt in 97 and it was pretty disgusting actually even going to the pyramids it was the pollution was terrible and It was the people weren't friendly like I would love to go back.
02:04:43.000I have a friend there now who I Who's a youtuber this guy Joe who probably will show his face.
02:04:50.000Whoa If I could ever get him to the United States, you should have me here the guys really he's great and he does that like freely and openly in Egypt Sometimes he disappears for months and then yes, I He doesn't really publicly say exactly what he's doing, but when I had him on the show, I said to him,
02:05:06.000you know, if you want to wear a Spider-Man mask, you don't have to show your face.
02:05:32.000The military then steps in and then has a coup, overthrows the democracy, and now they have a military leader again.
02:05:40.000The United States the entire time supported all of that.
02:05:42.000So it's like, this is the problem with democracy, and we know this from Iraq, too.
02:05:46.000It's like, you can give democracy, but if the institutions aren't there ready to support it, You could get a lot of bad people then, and then, you know, it's just, it's over.
02:07:07.000So Amber Lyons, because of her stories, she does this investigative piece on Bahrain, and CNN completely turns it into a vacation and tourism commercial.
02:07:19.000They cut out all the bad stuff, aired it, and...
02:07:38.000But the point is, she came on my podcast, she wrote a book, and she sort of explained what would really go on when you try to put together these pieces.
02:07:50.000In defense of CNN, I know they had a rebuttal to what she said, and they disagreed with her framing of it, her memory of it.
02:09:29.000He understands, like, when I talked before about, like, knowing what the role of government is and all that stuff that we should know more about in civics and all that.
02:09:38.000And whether you agree with his politics or not, he did do some stuff with the contract to America to, you know, move the country in a certain way.
02:09:46.000I'm actually surprised he hasn't run for president.
02:09:47.000Well, he ran four years ago, and they basically remember at that point when- Oh, that's right.
02:09:52.000That was the whole ding with his wife, and he left his wife when she was sick, and married another bra, and then- But, you know, in a weird way, he was the precursor to Trump, because do you remember that during those primaries, he would be, you know, he was really good with zingers and with some comedy, and he would get the audience to applaud and cheer and boo,
02:10:09.000talking about the media, ah, the media, and they'd boo and hiss, and then suddenly the moderators started saying every time, there'll be no booing or applauding or, And it's like, sit there like a fucking robot.
02:10:19.000It's 1984. You can't express your disdain.
02:12:19.000And then it's going to go deeper and deeper and deeper until the whole world is filled with people on a reality show while they're holding up a camera, like two mirrors facing themselves with infinite cameramen in each direction.
02:13:25.000All of us could do better with a little less interaction digitally.
02:13:31.000I think it's happening so fast that, you know, like we're talking about people at restaurants that are constantly on their phone, and when you check them on it, they get upset.
02:13:43.000It's a natural reaction I think we have.
02:13:45.000I think all of us are going to eventually, though, step into that great divide in the future Is going to be everybody all the time connected to everybody all the time, and it's going to be very weird.
02:14:07.000They've done studies where the internet already, when they look at internet addicts, that they find that the wiring in their brain actually has changed.
02:16:21.000Well, that's why I framed it like that, between Joe Rogan, the public person, and then actually the human that has to go ahead and live and do this operation and have kids and a wife and all those things.
02:16:30.000Those are two separate things, and yet you've got to bring them somehow into harmony so that they can exist together.
02:17:39.000He's just like a crazy fuck who was saying that all these women, you know, have lied because he's been accused of sexual assault and that people pay a million dollars for one drop of his sperm.
02:17:50.000He's like, one drop of my sperm, one million dollars they pay.
02:19:06.000But that goes to the worship thing that we were talking about and that's like we see these people worshipping Hillary or worshipping Trump and it's like they are not going to solve all your problems and not only are they not going to solve problems, they shouldn't.
02:19:17.000The president should keep the roads safe.
02:19:22.000The president should make sure nobody bombs us.
02:19:24.000The president should make sure the economy keeps chugging along.
02:19:26.000Just think about all those jobs that you just said.
02:19:28.000How does one person have those three important jobs?
02:20:12.000I think there's so many people like that that are complicated.
02:20:15.000We have this narrative that's been created by film and by books.
02:20:20.000We have this false narrative of this perfect human being, this John Wayne character who rides off in the sunset.
02:20:26.000This Clint Eastwood, where, you know, Sandra Locke is always waving goodbye to him as he rides off.
02:20:31.000You know, away from the Indians like this is all a false narrative and it's created in such a potent way that our brains are stained by that and we kind of expect that out of our leaders instead of I think that's not the case in other countries like in Europe in particular right in Europe like in France like Politicians,
02:22:23.000He was writing the very laws that ultimately freed the slaves.
02:22:27.000While at the same time, in effect, you could argue, and I'm sure people have argued this, that he was raping a slave because if it is about power, even if she was fully down with it, She was his slave.
02:22:38.000But at the same time, he was also writing the very laws to free them.
02:22:43.000That shows you how flawed all of us are.
02:22:46.000That you could hate him for owning slaves.
02:22:50.000You could hate him for having this relationship with this woman and all that.
02:22:54.000And at the same time, he was instrumental in writing the very laws that made us all equal.
02:22:59.000So that goes, and you could, that's why it's so dangerous when you look back on a different time and you try to apply our morality of today on other people.
02:23:30.000Like, Bill Cosby, I told you this last time I was here, like, that guy was my hero.
02:23:34.000I went into comedy because I was five years old and I saw Bill Cosby himself and he's talking about chocolate cake and, you know, Theo and Vanessa and the whole thing.
02:23:42.000And I thought it was the funniest fucking thing ever and it changed my life.
02:24:08.000But you could draw a line to say that if that show had not been on NBC primetime and had he not done that middle-class, upstanding family that was incredibly funny and all the great stuff about Cosby, that that led to eventually, 20-some-odd years later, Barack Obama being president.
02:24:23.000And at the same time, he was a horrific rapist.
02:24:28.000Like a lot of his morality, and this goes back to the sort of tide thing, the slingshot effect, that a lot of his sort of projected morality was to make up for the fact that he was drugging chicks and raping them.
02:24:42.000And he was also like the upstanding citizen for the black community to get upset if comedians would swear.
02:24:48.000Yeah, that whole thing with Eddie Murphy.
02:24:50.000Yeah, I mean, and not just him, or not just Eddie Murphy, but I believe the same with Dave Chappelle.
02:24:56.000I think he had a problem with Chris Rock.
02:24:58.000You know, what he stood for was like this really conservative, really friendly, you know, we don't talk about dicks and pussies and all that stuff.
02:25:08.000Like, he had a whole thing about, like, when he was really old, too, before he got caught.
02:25:13.000It was a whole thing about, well, we talk about it, but we don't.
02:27:42.000A, was the public person really just defending the horrible actions of the private person, but also he clearly was trying to do good work.
02:27:51.000Yeah, but here it says, but how he got his degree has been controversial ever since.
02:27:56.000According to Michael Eric Dyson, a sociology professor at Georgetown University and acclaimed author of his Bill Cosby Wright and numerous other books, Cosby dropped out of high school after he flunked his 10th grade three times.
02:28:07.000He enlisted in the Navy where he got his GED, then he enrolled in Temple, where he dropped out to pursue a show business career.
02:28:13.000His unfinished bachelor degree from Temple was eventually bestowed upon him because of his life experience.
02:28:17.000Cosby enrolled in a part-time doctoral student at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, which awarded him.
02:28:24.000So he dropped out of high school, came back, got his GED, enrolled in Temple, dropped out of that, and got a doctorate for writing about a cartoon.
02:28:33.000But even the bachelor's degree, they're saying he got an unfinished bachelor's degree because of life experience.
02:29:46.000We know it's a movie, but there's an impact that that data has on our mind that we have to, even though we have to separate it and move it around, that impact is there.
02:29:54.000We're designed to follow like the tribal leader, this old guy with scars who's fucking survived battles and he has wisdom and he knows the poems and we sit around the fire and we follow him because of actual real live accomplishments and real live things that we've seen.
02:30:18.000He knows how to stay alive and we might not make it and this is a very real concern because we know tribes that are gone, right?
02:30:24.000So this is like how human beings develop for fucking thousands of thousands of years, if you believe in evolution, when we went from being a monkey to being a guy who's addicted to his cell phone.
02:30:36.000And in those steps, we developed a lot of these human reward systems where you get used to and look forward to certain things, because those things, those rewards will keep you alive.
02:30:49.000Whether it's being attractive to females, you will spread your DNA that way.
02:31:27.000This is the whole reason why there's a difference in the way these two behave.
02:31:30.000This has all been well-established by sociologists and by people who have studied human behavior.
02:31:38.000I think that where we're at now, with movies and songs, you're getting this data in a way we don't know how to process.
02:31:45.000We obviously can rationalize and go, well, I know that's just a song, or I know that's just a movie, and I know that Indiana Jones isn't a real guy, and he wouldn't just survive every time the fucking bowling ball-sized boulder comes his way.
02:32:18.000But those narratives and this life version is all data that's entering into the human consciousness.
02:32:26.000And the more we expose ourselves to it, when kids are watching eight hours of fucking television, and people are constantly engrossed in their phones and all this two-dimensional data and video and all these different things on YouTube, the more that stuff gets into your mind, into your life, the less you're experiencing the actual life.
02:32:54.000You're talking about the matrix, that we're slowly morphing into this thing.
02:32:59.000And that's why people have to understand that what happens there isn't real yet.
02:33:04.000So sort of jumping all the way back to that Leslie Jones thing, when people say mean things to you, I'm sure if you looked at your Twitter right now, somebody's probably saying something.
02:33:40.000For real, my show was taken off when I was on here last time, and by you giving it a little bump here, and then you've been real good to me on social media, you've helped amplify what I do.
02:34:30.000Part of the price to pay for a little success here is that the part that used to be fun when I would play around with people more on there and spend more time interacting, it's become such a calvacate of craziness that I just don't have the time.
02:34:45.000I just don't have the mental bandwidth more than anything else.
02:34:47.000I have a lot going on, and it's like...
02:34:49.000So that's been a little bit of a sacrifice along the way.
02:34:52.000Yeah, but that just comes with the program.
02:34:55.000Especially when you're thinking about the numbers of people that you're reaching.
02:35:57.000And I think if you have anything to offer, and this is one of the things that I'm finding, it's kind of important to me, and I've tried to...
02:36:04.000I've tried to engineer this in my own life in a way is that I've got to have as much life experiences or more than I do work Because like just working like if I just did podcasts every day I would have things to say because there's always something going on in the world But I think I wouldn't be doing my own perspective a service I think to do my perspective a service to be honest about it.
02:36:28.000I need to experience things I need to live life.
02:37:40.000And yesterday, I'm trying to hook up some speakers in the house, and I have some old-ass stereo that I've had forever, and I'm trying to hook this shit up.
02:37:49.000It was driving me crazy, but halfway through, after like three hours of fucking pulling things out of the wall and, you know, the old wires, the little metal ones that you gotta turn and jamming them into speakers and negative A's.
02:38:48.000I think there's definitely something to that, but I went to the Vatican this summer, and I think it was more fun than you installing your stereo, and I think I learned more about people and looking at, you know, St. Peter's Basilica than I ever would have done, screwing together some fucking wires and sticking them into some box that makes noise.
02:39:03.000I bet I can beat you on that, because many years ago, I believe around 97, I think it might have been the same trip that I ended up in Egypt, I went to Amsterdam, I, like, basically shroomed for, like, eight days, and then we wanted, so my buddy and I, we wanted to take...
02:40:44.000I had just, you know, when you have just enough of the visuals, like just a little moving, you know, just a little something.
02:40:50.000I was stone cold sober inside St. Peter's Basilica and I freaked out.
02:40:55.000I was just thinking about the sheer effort involved in making something so insanely huge and how many hundreds of years it took to build it.
02:41:54.000So why wouldn't I apply that same logic to the biggest questions of the universe?
02:41:58.000But even not being a believer, you can acknowledge that the work that these people had to do, that maybe they felt some divine spirit, they felt something in themselves that I can't explain or whatever, That there's an incredible power to that.
02:42:46.000You know it's it's helped people and it's hurt a lot I mean religion has been responsible for some horrible atrocities and not just one religion like many many religions but like many many groups of power many groups that have influence and great influence over people a lot of times they look out for themselves they protect themselves ruthlessly especially when they have massive amounts of power that doesn't make any sense in the world like when you look at Any sort of a coup or any sort of a usurping of power,
02:43:16.000like it's someone who has massive amounts of power and someone else wants that massive amounts of power and they conquer them and take over them.
02:43:22.000And it's always like this spectacular chaotic event.
02:43:27.000And that's what human beings sort of...
02:43:48.000And that all these people are sort of walking...
02:43:50.000There's nice shops there, and everyone kind of looks good.
02:43:53.000So it's sort of where they go to the gym, they tan, they get...
02:43:57.000They're like they're all working on themselves all day doing their own thing and it's and you're right it's almost like they're just they're so blind to the fact that there is something else happening there is a real power play happening in the world where there are forces that want to change things either for what may be better for you or worse for you or whatever and most people just ignore it because it's a lot easier to get lost in Twitter or watch the Kardashians or country club kids of the world that's That's what we are.
02:44:24.000We're like the spoiled country club kids of the world that don't realize the consequences of flying drones into Yemen and bombing wedding parties.
02:44:32.000You know, there's like the consequence that's attached to those people.
02:44:36.000It would be so significant if it was happening on this patch of dirt.
02:44:40.000But since it's happening over there, we don't think of it as a big a deal.
02:44:43.000Could you imagine what would happen if someone from another country had flown a drone over the United States and accidentally bombed some sort of a wedding party in Phoenix?
02:45:22.000And once all these countries develop this new level of transparency where you can't hide shit, you can't lie, you're gonna do one of two things.
02:45:29.000Either you're gonna say, look, I'm Genghis Khan, I'm running this motherfucker, and you're gonna put in the whole thing.
02:45:33.000I mean, what Putin is doing right now is old-school dictator stuff.
02:47:12.000And, you know, here's the defense of Clinton, the major Clinton, Bill, because, you know, not a defense of whatever he may or may not have done physically to all those people that are accusing him of things, but about the speeches that he does and all the money that he's trying to acquire.
02:47:28.000People forget how ruthlessly prosecuted he was by Kenneth Starr while he was in office and how crazy all that situation was.
02:48:01.000I don't, you know, I don't know what that could have possibly been like for them, but I know that when Bill Clinton got out of office, apparently he was deeply in debt because of his legal fees.
02:48:12.000And the whole thing was just like off the chart.
02:48:14.000That was one of the things that Hillary talked about.
02:48:16.000Like she had said that when they left, when he left the office, they were dead broke.
02:48:29.000And fucking, not just dead broke, but beaten down by public scandal, and you're in debt to the tune of who knows how many dollars, and you've lost all your money to legal cases because you're fighting off impeachment by all these crazy people that want to prosecute you for doing shit that pretty much every president has done since the beginning of time,
02:48:50.000whipped his dick out, and people just start sucking it because they're the fucking king.
02:48:52.000Because it's crazy to be in that position in the first place.
02:49:29.000But the difference being that he didn't raise his hand and put his hand on the Bible and say, do you solemnly swear to tell the truth?
02:49:39.000I have to know you're really honest, like now.
02:49:44.000This is the time where you can't lie anymore.
02:49:47.000So we have this crazy rule that if you do lie during that time, it's so different than when you lie about what FBI Administrator Comey, or whatever the fuck his title is, Comey says about what you did versus what you think you did.
02:51:07.000I got a P50, Lenovo ThinkPad P50. So anyway, I get this ThinkPad, and it has Windows 7. Well, the newest Windows is Windows 10. So I try upgrading to Windows 10. Oh, jeez.
02:51:18.000Three and a half hours later, after two fucking live chats with people, they can't figure out how to get it to work.
02:51:26.000Two different people I'm talking to with tech support.
02:51:30.000They can't figure out how to get it to work.
02:52:18.000At least I think it might be like going...
02:52:23.000Going to a really shitty job for a while and then coming back to your regular job and going, God, this is so much better.
02:52:30.000Isn't it funny how sometimes, like, for as connected as you may be, sometimes some technology just kind of gets past you and then you realize you just, like, missed something.
02:52:38.000So for the last, like, five years, I've been using Firefox.
02:53:52.000Like if someone sends you a picture and it's attached to your text message, the picture like automatically goes into a folder and may not even exist on the text stream.
02:55:39.000But, you know, the more that we all do that, you actually incentivize them to not innovate.
02:55:45.000Because they know that if, because this phone really, the reality is this phone that we both have right now, it barely is different than the 6, right?
02:56:05.000Sometimes I want to have a headphone plugged in while I'm in my car so I can talk to someone with a thing dangling from my ear because it's way easier to hear them than it is through speakerphone.
02:56:15.000Or what if you want to charge your phone and use headphones.
02:56:28.000But the thing is, that goes to my point, if they know that you're going to buy this shit no matter what, and they knew the day they put this out, they're going to make X amount of hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more.
02:56:36.000So the more that we instinctively just go to them, the actual less they have, there's less incentive for them to give us good, innovative shit.
02:56:45.000Because why keep changing it if you just tweak a couple things and they don't put that much into it, and we all do it anyway.
02:56:51.000I also think that it's probably important to support competition.
02:58:18.000Like, when I was on the set of news radio, one of the guys, this is back when Mac sucked, one of the guys was like, you know, do you hear our sales are up?
02:59:18.000But, you know, Apple, for all the cries of everybody with Trump and the taxes, because everything these days is somehow linked back together, you know, Apple pays virtually no corporate taxes.
02:59:55.000It proves his point because it's like, all right, I'm doing what's legal.
02:59:58.000At the end of the year, when you go to pay your taxes, I'm pretty sure you tell your accountant the same thing that every sensible person does, which is do whatever is legal and I want to pay the least amount of taxes.
03:00:56.000Right, so that in itself may be legit, but the idea that, but if she releases your emails, I'll forget that whole thing with the audit and I'll go ahead and do it.
03:01:03.000Don't you think though that that would, if he did release his taxes while they were auditing him, it could possibly affect, for sure, because it would affect public opinion.
03:01:12.000We know for a fact that public opinion has had a big impact on things that may, you know, if people didn't get outraged about it, maybe the president or whoever's in charge wouldn't move in a certain direction.
03:01:25.000But that's the point, is that if you feel that this stuff is broken, that the tax system is broken, and all these guys that can hide money in offshore accounts, if you think all that's broken, don't be upset at the businessman who used it.
03:01:37.000Now, that doesn't mean what he was doing was ethical or whatever.
03:02:52.000And you can say he's immoral or took advantage in a way that a more or less unscrupulous business person may not have, and maybe that's the type of person you would want to work with and not a Donald Trump.
03:03:22.000If you're running for president and you're making your ties over there, you should stop.
03:03:26.000Because you're saying there's something wrong with a company taking their stuff and moving over there and profiting from it and taking jobs out of America.
03:03:53.000Unfortunately, we live in a reality that, you know...
03:03:56.000That's what a law someone should pass.
03:03:58.000That as human beings that live in the United States and the world, the United States of America, one of the most fortunate countries, if not the most fortunate in the world, we will respect our American privilege and, you know, not be willing to subjugate people that live in impoverished countries to,
03:04:19.000Like if you're living in a very poor third-world country and a Nike factory opens up or whatever You can't as a as a person who is aware that they have the best like Location roll the dice that's available today.
03:04:35.000You're born here The fact that you're going to make someone in some other country work essentially with slave labor.
03:04:42.000The phone you buy, this fucking iPhone that I have in my hand, is made in a factory where they have nets around the factory because so many people have tried to kill themselves that they made it where they catch you in a fucking net when you jump off the roof because they were cleaning up bodies off the ground.
03:04:58.000And when people defend it, they defend it in the most bizarre way.
03:05:02.000The defense is, yeah, but the percentage of people that commit suicide at those factories is very similar to the percentage of people that commit suicide in the culture.
03:06:07.000Fucking complete slave labor and child labor.
03:06:09.000I mean, it's scary, scary stuff when you get down to the nitty gritty of how things are manufactured and constructed in order for us to get them at a reasonable price.
03:06:18.000And it's just really spooky that we're willing to do that.
03:06:24.000Yeah, it's just that we just synced up there.
03:06:27.000Partly, it's just the unintended consequences of wanting things.
03:06:31.000It's also the unintended consequences of having this business model of unlimited growth.
03:06:36.000And what we're talking about, about Trump.
03:06:39.000Having a sort of responsibility to its shareholders just like Apple having a responsibility to their shareholders like this this thing of unlimited growth places morality at the end of the list of Motivations for what you're doing and there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility that takes place when you have a gigantic group of people They call themselves a corporation.
03:06:59.000You're just a little piece of that corporation It's not like Dave Rubin's out there making people work for 13 cents an hour and No, it's Microsoft or it's, you know, Hitachi or, you know, fill in the blank.
03:07:09.000I don't know if those companies do bad things, but whatever company it is.
03:07:39.000So then you take instead, think of all the executives and all the mid-level people that they've got up in Cupertino making absurds amount of money.
03:07:46.000I'm not just talking about the shareholders who cashed in.
03:07:48.000I'm talking about all those Silicon Valley guys making absurd amount of money.
03:07:51.000I don't begrudge any of them any of that money.
03:07:53.000But imagine if all of them who could live incredibly well on...
03:07:57.00010% of what they have and funneled some of that money to the same people making their shit.
03:08:02.000I'm not a socialist, so I'm not even saying this would be the right thing to do in any way.
03:08:05.000But like, those people all walk around with a pretty clean conscience.
03:08:09.000You know, while they have, you know, the fancy, you know, they probably all have Teslas and all that shit.
03:08:13.000And the people that are literally making the shit, not just the ones coming up with the ideas in Cupertino, because they always say we're in It is interesting how we really distinguish very clearly the difference between the person who has the idea and the person who puts the idea together with their fingers.
03:08:56.000The people who design the idea is most important.
03:08:59.000And I don't know if that's because of the nature of the thing, that it's set up that way because those are the people, the people at the very top are the ones that are going to expand this weird thing that we're doing, expand this technological sort of progression,
03:09:15.000this ongoing wave of improvement and innovation that we demand.
03:09:39.000If they were to gauge happiness of the average person who had the exact same physical attributes as you that grew up in the same town you grew up in in 1950...
03:09:49.000Versus right now, is there any quantifiable difference?
03:09:53.000And I would guess that basically it's no.
03:09:56.000That doesn't mean this thing hasn't done incredible things, because Tahrir Square, all the revolutions that haven't really worked out the way they're supposed to, but it connected people all over the world.
03:10:35.000Our thirst for technology is probably connected in some way to this thing wanting to emerge.
03:10:42.000And that as we become more and more materialistic and interested in the latest and greatest, we fuel this innovation.
03:10:50.000We're a part of it, whether we like it or know it or not.
03:10:53.000That's why, as a human being, it's very frustrating and confusing when you're addicted to technology, when you're caught up in it and locked away in it.
03:10:59.000And for me, I find that the only way I stay happy is by being involved in very physical things.
03:11:06.000Like, and I think that's one of the reasons why record numbers of people are depressed today.
03:11:10.000I think they're not fulfilling their human requirements, their biological human requirements.
03:11:18.000Meditation is also gigantic, which I also consider a very physical thing because it's a focused concentration internally.
03:11:25.000Versus on whatever bullshit is on my fucking Twitter feed or whatever Facebook feed or dealing with some nonsense about a job You don't really give a fuck about instead of that I'm focusing on things that are important to me like the management of the actual mind itself mm-hmm I think Putting yourself in competition scenarios,
03:11:43.000putting in things where you have to perform under pressure.
03:11:45.000That's one of the reasons why people get so addicted to jiu-jitsu.
03:11:48.000Because then it's like this high-level problem-solving thing that you're doing all the time, and it makes regular life seem so much more easy to manage.
03:11:54.000And regular dilemmas are nothing compared to a fucking 190-pound man who's built like a gorilla on your back trying to choke you to sleep.
03:12:01.000That reminds me of the gym in West Hollywood, actually.
03:12:21.000I'm not claiming that I ever possibly could or have the influence.
03:12:23.000But what I'm saying is, you as a human being have an obligation to yourself To extract that happy juice out of your body in a positive way.
03:12:34.000And I don't think we're designed to sit at desks.
03:12:37.000I don't think we're designed for fluorescent lights.
03:12:39.000I don't think we're designed for movies.
03:13:29.000And Sadness is like, whoa, everything's so sad.
03:13:31.000And everything sadness touches becomes sadness like everything turns blue It's kind of an interesting movie because it's funny.
03:13:38.000It's entertaining But it's also it's kind of there's a lesson to be learned for children that like you can you can Marinate in those fucking thoughts you can allow those thoughts to influence and touch all these different aspects of your life Or you can figure out how to stop them like understand what they are These are these are these thoughts or it's almost like a living thing like a life force and that living thing can grow if you feed it but But if you don't feed it,
03:14:01.000you push it aside, and you feed the positive thing, you can manage that little fucker.
03:14:05.000Might not ever go away, because you're not living in a movie.
03:14:08.000But you could definitely manage it way better than you're doing if you don't take conscious decisions of what kind of energy you let into your life.
03:14:42.000There are options to thought patterns.
03:14:45.000And if you just allow these deeply ingrained paths to exist in your mind, where you immediately fall into complaining, and the woe is me, it never works out for me...
03:14:55.000Someone sent me a text the other day comparing two people.
03:15:15.000I'm like, this is a perfect example of the difference between two different people in the exact same experience having two different patterns that they allow their brain to go down.
03:15:23.000Now, what if you find out that guy's on Zoloft?
03:15:30.000And again, this is not to disparage people who have legitimate mental imbalances where they need medication.
03:15:36.000I have a bunch of friends that have had that.
03:15:38.000But the question with that is, is that nature a nurture?
03:15:42.000What is causing these negative thoughts in your mind?
03:15:45.000Is it a biological issue that you have because part of you is not working correctly, which is entirely possible?
03:15:51.000Or is it you've embraced these negative thoughts and this negative program by your family or by people that you hang around with or bad influences, and you've embraced it to the point where you're unable to take these positive thought patterns?
03:16:36.000Like, don't go, woe is me, because some girl doesn't want to suck your dick anymore.
03:16:39.000Can you just fucking stop and relax for a moment?
03:16:42.000If you were a 90-year-old man living in Ecuador, you know, that his whole life he'd been forced to be a farmer working for pennies and eating fucking raw potatoes and shit, and someone gave you the opportunity to come here and be you now, how good?
03:17:12.000In an interesting way, you're almost making a case though for people to, that the key to happiness in the midst of this technological monstrosity that we're part of, that the key really is to disconnect yourself from it.
03:17:25.000And that comes with certain costs too.
03:17:31.000I think for me, at least, my best happiness comes from when I have discipline in avoiding the technology or limiting my access to the technology and consciously choosing to do other things.
03:17:49.000Get involved in, you know, like whether it's yoga or archery or, you know, go run marathons or go, you know, get involved in, you know, go enter a jiu-jitsu tournament, go climb a mountain.
03:18:00.000There's things that people do that are hard to do and you don't just do it to get to the top of the mountain, I think, or to, you know, finish that, cross that line that you decide you're going to run to.
03:18:12.000You do it because your body requires it.
03:18:45.000I guess once you see that, which seems fairly obvious to someone if you're awake enough, once you see it, you gotta just push and push and push.
03:18:53.000And you will fail, as I've said several times.
03:19:24.000There's a lot of times before yoga class where I'm like, I could just stay here and watch TV and fucking put my feet up and do nothing, man.
03:19:33.000Like your brain starts playing all these fucking mind games with you.
03:19:36.000But when you do go to yoga class and you take that class and 90 minutes later you've lost fucking eight pounds of sweat and you've been freaking out and almost blacking out, when you get out of there you feel better.
03:19:47.000And it gives you also, I think, momentum and motivation to continue with the rest of your life, to keep pushing forward.
03:19:55.000What do you think about the fact that you are your own boss also?
03:20:00.000Because you pretty much, I know you have outside gigs too, but for the most part, probably 90% of what you do, I would guess, is you are in charge of the ultimate decisions, if not 100%, maybe.
03:20:10.000Well, not the UFC. The UFC is my one job that I have.
03:20:14.000And it's a job, but it's the greatest job I've ever had.
03:20:20.000And it's also an honor, and there's a massive obligation to respect and represent the people that are competing in what I think is one of the most difficult physical endeavors in all of sports.
03:20:44.000I like not having a boss, man, even though my boss is amazing.
03:20:48.000That job is the greatest job of all time.
03:20:50.000I like doing things when I want to do them, too.
03:20:54.000But it's not like I'm lazy, so I push myself to do a lot of shit.
03:20:58.000And I, you know, I have goals and I accomplish them or attempt to and I have, you know, commitments as far as like writing and performing and producing things.
03:21:06.000But, yeah, being your own boss, man, if you could pull it off, is like the greatest thing ever.
03:21:18.000I mean, I went independent in June, so I'm not even six months out of that.
03:21:23.000And not only was it the smartest business decision I ever made, which partly was because I saw guys like you and Corolla and a couple other guys that I was like, wait a minute, they built great brands, they have their fans, and they're doing it.
03:21:37.000I was like, oh, there's actual template for this if I built my audience correctly.
03:21:42.000And I just took the risk and said, let's see what happens.
03:21:45.000And We launched this Patreon campaign, which is where fans can donate per month whatever they want.
03:21:50.000So you do like two bucks, you get a newsletter.
03:21:53.000We have people that donate 250, and I Skype with them every month, and a whole bunch of different things.
03:21:57.000I didn't know when I woke up the next morning after we launched it, it might have been over.
03:22:01.000My career literally might have been over, just like that, because I quit my job.
03:22:05.000I had no job, my producer had no job, my director had no job, no insurance, no nothing.
03:22:09.000And I woke up, and our fans showed up, and they took care of us.
03:22:14.000And because of that, now in the six months since then, now I bought this house, I'm building the studio, and we're figuring out all other ways to make deals and all that kind of stuff.
03:22:24.000But I still wake up sometimes, this is what my point was, I still wake up sometimes and I'm like, wait a minute, do I have to answer to somebody?
03:22:35.000Well, kind of a way like that hunger, that fear to take that chance and to do things, that's like one of the best things you could ever have in life.
03:23:02.000And that's one of the things that Scott Adams has said sort of about the election is that there's such chaos now, but whatever happens after, out of chaos, something new will happen.
03:23:12.000May not be good immediately, may not be bad immediately.
03:23:14.000We don't know what that will be, but the chaos, the chance, the risk will now allow for something else to happen.
03:23:20.000So all these people who, you know, all these pundits who got everything wrong for the last year and, oh, it's going to be Rubio, it's going to be Cruz, blah, blah, blah.
03:23:46.000I'd be in a very different position if it didn't work, you know?
03:23:48.000Yeah, you don't wanna be that guy who just wishes they took that chance, and you're still working for some company, and they still treat you like shit.
03:24:02.000And the person with the idea, especially if you're a smart guy like you are, you do yourself a disservice if you don't express yourself completely fully and without any reserve or any reservations.
03:24:16.000And when you work for someone, you always have a reservation.
03:25:30.000When you tell someone like Chelsea Manning that they can't let anybody know about this horrific shit that's going on that you know is illegal, you've set up this sort of a system where you're stopping data from going through, you're stopping people from communicating, and you're going to ultimately stop people from expressing their opinions on what was communicated,
03:25:58.000All of us are just fucking people, Dave Rubin.
03:26:01.000I think that's one of the things that's going to come out when the dust settles and we pick a new king or queen.
03:26:07.000What do you think is going to happen now that we've been talking this long?
03:26:10.000Clinton's going to win and everyone's going to hate her and it's going to be a record number of people that are intolerant and say crazy shit and we're going to have to all figure out a way to get along.
03:26:21.000Do you see any situation where we wake up or tomorrow night that Trump's president?
03:26:28.000I think most likely Hillary's gonna win, but I absolutely could see just some giant fuck up where the mass media has been lied to by polls and by public opinion.
03:26:42.000I don't think necessarily polls are very accurate anymore because I don't think people choose to take polls very often.
03:27:58.000He used all of his connections and money as vice president to get a network on the air, because it's incredibly hard to get into the cable system.
03:28:07.000So he used all his leverage to get there, created a failure, and he walked away, I think, with $500 million.