Actor Joe Pesci tells the story of how he accidentally ruined a scene on a news radio show, and how he handled the aftermath. Joe also talks about what it's like to be in front of a live audience, and what it s like being an actor in the old school world of sitcoms. Joe also discusses how he almost killed his co-star on the show, Scott Adams, and the moment he realized he should have said his line differently. And how he dealt with the aftermath of that embarrassing moment in the early days of his career. Plus, he talks about how he got to where he is today, and why he doesn t care about what other people think of him. Joe is a standup comic and radio host, and he's one of the funniest people I've ever met. He's also one of my favorite comedians, and I think he's a great friend and a very funny human being. Thank you for listening to this episode of Thick & Thin, and Good Morning America. Please remember to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and tell us what you think of the show on iTunes! if you like it, we'd really appreciate it and we'd love to hear your thoughts on it in the comments section below! Thanks again for listening and your support! -Jon Sorrentino - Tom Bell Timestamps: 5:00 - How do you feel about this episode? 6:30 - What do you think about it? 7:40 - What's your favorite part of an old school sitcoms? 8: What's the worst thing you've ever heard someone do in fronting a sitcom? 9:00 11: How do they do it better? 14:00- What's something you can do better than someone else's job? 16:30- How to do it the hardest thing? 17:10 - What are you looking forward to doing it the most? 18:40- What do they think you're going to do the hardest? 19:15 - How does it feel like? 21:30 22:10- How does he feel about it's not that bad? 23:00 | How to be an actor? 26:40 27:10 28:15 29:30 | What's a good person? 30:40 | What is your biggest challenge?
00:00:20.000So for those of you who weren't with us on that set, I had a small line, just one line, on news radio because it was an episode that mentioned Dilbert.
00:01:54.000But I have to admit I was impressed because then all the actors went back to square one and did the entire scene through again perfectly.
00:02:05.000It was very impressive if you're not an actor to watch how many lines a bunch of professionals can do without screwing up any of them.
00:02:12.000It was an awesome kind of an afternoon.
00:02:15.000Well, NewsRadio was a very unusual show in that there was a lot of changing stuff on the fly.
00:02:22.000Like, the writers would come in and then rewrite a line, like, on the fly.
00:02:26.000Like, they would do one line, they would do one take, and then Paul Sims, Josh Lieb, and all these guys would get together, and they'd go, okay, that's...
00:03:11.000Well, if you think about how many, just think about language itself, how many words you can access just instantaneously, just pull them up from your memory.
00:03:36.000It's like, well, it happens to be the one thing I can do well, you know, and I can't do most things well, but one little thing I can do well.
00:03:44.000Well, one thing that people have a hard time with the sitcom world, especially the old school sitcom world, is the audience.
00:03:50.000Like performing in front of the audience is a weird element, you know?
00:05:32.000It's like cleaning out your garage, you know?
00:05:34.000So there's nothing scarier than getting together with your siblings after you haven't seen them for years and you start talking about your childhood.
00:05:40.000And one of you will be telling a story like, do you remember the time I, you know, it doesn't matter what it is, I jumped on a zebra and I ran it across the zoo and they yelled at me.
00:05:48.000And the other sibling will say, that wasn't you.
00:07:22.000What has life been like for Scott Adams during this election?
00:07:26.000You came into the—well, you're obviously always well-known for being the creator of Dilbert, but along this election cycle, all of a sudden, I had people that I was in contact with that were saying,
00:07:44.000you know, Scott Adams is a Trump supporter.
00:08:59.000The hypnotist's view of the world is opposite.
00:09:01.000The hypnotist says that 90% of the time we're completely irrational, and we're just making rationalizations for why we did things after the fact.
00:09:09.00010% of the time we're rational, but that's only when there's no emotional content to the decision.
00:09:15.000You know, you're balancing a checkbook or something, trying to pick up the best route to someplace.
00:09:22.000And so when I look at either the Trump supporters or the Clinton supporters, to me, from the hypnotist perspective, and someone who's studied persuasion for decades, I use it in my writing, I see both sides as completely ridiculous.
00:09:38.000Both of them are grounded in complete absurdities.
00:09:45.000The real reasons that people make decisions are fear, identity, you know, they have some aspiration, they've got something they're trying to solve.
00:09:55.000There's something they're trying to work out.
00:09:56.000But the reasons we give are usually completely false.
00:09:59.000And the grounding for this is that if you think about evolution, I assume you believe we evolved?
00:10:27.000Yeah, he's like a Buddha or something.
00:10:30.000He actually got it bestowed upon him by some Tibetan character.
00:10:35.000All right, so let's use Steven Seagal.
00:10:37.000So Steven Seagal can be standing in a grocery store next to, let's say, a Muslim who believes that his prophet literally flew to heaven on a winged horse.
00:10:46.000Those two people don't live the same reality.
00:10:49.000But they both buy groceries, they both go, they cook it, they live, they survive.
00:10:54.000So it turns out that understanding your reality at an actual, you know, I really know what is objectively happening and I get it and I've got a mental model that's quite accurate.
00:11:18.000But we're probably all even interpreting that experience differently.
00:11:22.000So there's no reason to think that the way I think of it is the way you think of it.
00:11:25.000So I see the world as this big irrational ball, and I use the hypnotist persuader skills to back up and try to deduce, you know, what's really driving things.
00:11:36.000And when people said I was a Trump supporter, what they meant was, they may have only seen part of what I was talking about, I was writing about his skill as a persuader.
00:11:48.000And what I mean is that I noticed in him the skills that I've developed over decades for persuasion.
00:11:56.000But at a higher level than I've ever seen, meaning that he's the most persuasive living human I've ever experienced.
00:12:05.000And I mean that in terms of actual technique.
00:12:08.000You know, he's full of technique and it's all the time.
00:12:14.000First time I noticed it was the very first debate when Megyn Kelly was asking him the question about the insults he had allegedly said to women.
00:12:59.000And the audience erupted in laughter, completely unexpected and a place inappropriate, provocative.
00:13:06.000And what I noticed was that Rosie O'Donnell is a visual image that everybody shares, right?
00:13:13.000You've got a picture of her since I say the name.
00:13:15.000And for his base that he was catering to, it was an unpopular image and one that would just suck all the energy away from the question, which was toxic.
00:13:24.000And really, you know, you can't touch the question.
00:13:27.000You just have to suck all the energy into another part of the room and wait for the time to run out.
00:14:18.000Because we know that the visual part of our brain is the dominant part.
00:14:22.000And if you can get its attention and get it on your message, it talks the rest of your brain into anything you want it to.
00:14:29.000When he talks about ISIS, he goes visual also.
00:14:32.000He doesn't say, they are bad people whose religions, you know, has been distorted, you know, to the type of thing you might hear from Hillary Clinton.
00:14:40.000He says, they put you in cages and they drown you in the cage.
00:15:31.000It's engineered for confirmation bias, meaning that you want the future to make this look like a better nickname every day, and you want it to match his physicality.
00:15:41.000So before I ever heard low energy Jeb, I had a good impression of Jeb Bush.
00:15:47.000I thought, when you looked at Jeb Bush, didn't you say to yourself, this guy looks like a cool character?
00:15:54.000No, but he looked like he was an in-control, calm, reasonable, exactly the person you'd want if the nuclear question came up, if there was some big decision.
00:16:06.000Jeb Bush isn't going to get excited about it.
00:16:08.000He seemed like a competent CEO. Competent CEO, exactly.
00:16:13.000And as soon as Trump said, low energy, could you see him any other way?
00:16:17.000He was low energy, and he will always be low energy.
00:16:23.000Lion Ted, because you knew that because he's a politician, sometime in the next several months, he's going to say stuff that you can say is a lie, whether it is or not.
00:18:44.000You know, like guys in the hood In the inner cities, this started out as a black term, but it's essentially like a version of your mama contest.
00:18:56.000Like, some guys are way better at your mama jokes.
00:18:59.000They're way better at playing the dozens.
00:19:01.000They're way better at shitting on other people around them, and it's for the entertainment of each other.
00:19:07.000We shit on each other constantly, left and right, but it's generally encouraged, and we all enjoy it, you know?
00:19:13.000But when a guy has decades and decades and decades of this, like Donald Trump at a very high level, Because he's known to be a billionaire investor who puts his name on everything.
00:19:23.000In which I talk about developing systems for succeeding.
00:19:27.000And one of the systems is to, and you do this too, stack together what I would call ordinary skills until your stack is different than anybody else's.
00:19:37.000So in my case, I'm not a great artist.
00:19:40.000You know, I didn't take any writing courses.
00:19:44.000But I'm pretty good at drawing and I'm pretty good at writing and I'm a little bit funny, so I put them together and I can do a comic strip.
00:19:49.000Because it's rare that you get somebody who's, let's say, in the top 10% of three different things.
00:19:54.000But it's not hard to be in the top 10% of things if you're going after them.
00:19:58.000So if you look at Trump, he wrote a book on negotiating.
00:21:26.000When he said that he called the president of Mexico up, and they had the conversation about the wall, and he said the wall just got 10 foot higher.
00:23:10.000The Donald Trump thing will tell you about his past successes and use them to tell you how he's going to be successful in the future.
00:23:16.000The Donald Trump thing, when confronted with certain things, like the thing about him saying something about Hillary lacking stamina, and then he goes off about having a winning temperament.
00:23:26.000There's not a lot of people who could do that in that sort of a political form.
00:23:30.000Like, if, say, Mitt Romney was running for president and he started saying, I have a winning temperament, they'd be like, oh, Mitt's gone fucking crazy, right?
00:23:39.000I mean, you remember how Howard Dean got knocked out of the race just for screaming?
00:23:43.000He just screamed at a rally and it was over.
00:24:08.000Well, the problem was, it was contrary to what he was selling.
00:24:12.000You know, he was selling this buttoned-up, packaged deal, and in the middle of that package deal is a fucking pro wrestling fan screaming from a suplex, you know?
00:24:21.000You know, like Hulk Hogan suplexes the Iron Sheik and...
00:24:26.000I mean, that's not the guy where you want to have the button.
00:24:28.000So if you heard of these studies, and I think this has been replicated and fairly reliable, that if you want to addict somebody to something, let's say this, you know, your show, if you gave them a really good product every time, it actually wouldn't be as addictive as if once in a while it wasn't good and they had to sort of like wait and anticipate,
00:24:50.000So unpredictable rewards are far more addicting than predictable.
00:24:55.000So Hillary Clinton, who rewards you every time, but is just about the same, is not going to be nearly as addicting as Donald Trump, who disappoints the fuck out of you.
00:25:05.000You're like, God, I was just starting to like you.
00:25:19.000Once all that grab-the-pussy stuff got out of the way, he was doing a lot of speeches in the rundown the last few days.
00:25:25.000And I watched a few of them on television because I almost felt like, even though I knew I was going to vote, I almost felt like some sort of a spectator.
00:25:33.000Like, this cannot possibly be real, to speak to your software simulation idea in the beginning, that a lot of people share, by the way.
00:25:40.000It's not just Crazy Scott Adams and me, but there's a lot of folks out there that think that we're living in a simulation, right?
00:25:46.000But as he would give these speeches, and there were some of the speeches he gave where there was these moments, and you're like, if someone could tell that guy to keep it at seven, like where he's at right there, and talk like that always, and avoid all the crazy shit, But man,
00:26:44.000It just came down to which one you hated the more.
00:26:48.000Well, there was one issue, though, that was real, and that was amongst feminists.
00:26:52.000There was amongst women who were willing to exonerate Hillary on all the weird shit that she had ever done involving women, all the stuff that she had done involving deleted emails.
00:27:02.000And I had heard people even say that people were giving her a hard time because she's a woman on her health.
00:27:10.000And I was like, you are out of your fucking mind if you believe that.
00:27:14.000She's falling asleep when she's standing up.
00:27:29.000She fell down once in 2012, got a serious concussion, and was fucked up for six months.
00:27:35.000Me as a person who's terrified of brain trauma, that freaks me the fuck out because I know the repercussions I know the impulsiveness that it bestows upon people.
00:27:44.000It's a horrible curse that's happened to a lot of people I know.
00:27:48.000So I knew there was this weird delusional thing where people didn't want to address the fact that her health is poor.
00:27:54.000And then it was revealed in one of the WikiLeaks emails that she had suffered from some sort of a, not a stroke, but a seizure in 2015. Like, that's a fucking year ago!
00:28:41.000How weird is it that we went through that entire election cycle and so many people, like you and like me, were saying, I'm not sure she looks healthy enough.
00:28:52.000Now, she, of course, met all the standards of past presidents, but what person ever interviewed her and said, look, there are a lot of questions about your health, and asked the question this way, can you look the American public in the eye and tell us there's no major health problems that you haven't disclosed?
00:29:09.000I would never ask her a question like that, because I don't think she'd ever give you a real answer.
00:29:13.000The same way with the FBI... But you could tell by the way she evaded it whether she was lying.
00:29:55.000I promise you nothing's going to come out later when I'm president.
00:29:58.000You will not be disappointed in any way.
00:30:00.000Because nobody can say that if they think they're going to get bitten in the ass in a year and a half when they collapse on the White House lawn.
00:30:07.000My point was in saying that is that if you just if you anyway described her health issues that you would somehow be a sexist and That the idea of her gender and being the first female president which obviously would be very historic right huge issue huge huge honor That that that was a part of what they were voting for It became a part her gender became a part of what they were voting for and so that was an issue let me give you the The positive spin on the same topic.
00:30:38.000CNN published 24 pundit explanations of why Trump won unexpectedly.
00:30:45.00024 different theories about why we didn't see it coming.
00:30:48.000In the top 24, none of them were, she's a woman, so couldn't get...
00:30:55.000Not in the top 24. So if we may pause for a moment from piling on Ms. Clinton, I gotta say that the whole breaking the glass ceiling thing, she fucking did that.
00:31:45.000There's a whole spectrum of variables.
00:31:47.000And if someone's thinking about, if they're hovering over, you know, if they're looking at Gary Johnson and Hillary Clinton, maybe they're like, never Trump.
00:33:43.000But, you know, they always converge toward the end.
00:33:46.000You know, they start out wildly ridiculous.
00:33:48.000And then when it's clear that it's going to be one way or the other, all the polls start coming toward the end because they want to say, well, at the end, I was only 2% off.
00:33:55.000Jamie and I were watching this video clip of the Young Turks calling down the election yesterday, and at the beginning of it, they were 100% convinced that Hillary could not lose.
00:34:04.000You know, there was one guy who was saying, you know, Hillary can't lose.
00:34:55.000So back then when I predicted it, you can imagine the heat I took because it was such an unlikely pick and how many people just wanted to dance on my grave for being wrong.
00:35:21.000When I find out that I haven't wasted my whole year, because it would have been a terrible year to be so wrong for a year, and then there's like no payoff whatsoever.
00:35:30.000It was like the worst gamble ever, bad risk management.
00:35:35.000But then to have it come through just the way I predicted it was this amazing, amazing moment.
00:35:41.000You only get a few of those in your life.
00:35:43.000Well, he did really win by a landslide.
00:36:02.000Here's the thing that I think is important to make a distinction, and this is what I recognized on you when I watched some of your periscopes.
00:36:09.000You just weren't making a moral judgment of him as a person, and that's what people expected.
00:36:15.000People expected a line in the sand to be drawn morally.
00:36:18.000What you were doing was talking about all of his traits.
00:36:22.000You were compounding all of his positive traits and what he does well.
00:36:28.000And then people got mad at you for bringing, like you're analyzing it, like say if you're a scientist and you take a plant that you find in the Amazon, you're like, well what does this plant consist of?
00:36:46.000I'm like, this doesn't seem like a guy who's like...
00:36:48.000There's a few guys out there that are like rabid, rah-rah Trump supporters, and some of them where it's super transparent.
00:36:54.000There's a few guys out there that I'm watching them and I know what they're doing.
00:36:57.000What they're doing is they're latching onto the Trump train.
00:37:00.000They're latching on, like, really shamelessly, where they tweet about Trump all the time now, where they never give a fuck about him a while ago.
00:37:08.000Like, over the last six months, they've jumped on this because they recognize there's a tremendous amount of loyalty and momentum behind being a Trump supporter and a fan, because it's a tough stance to take.
00:37:17.000So guys that are already marginalized, they're already kind of, like, fringe, and people think they're kind of maybe creepy, they're like, fuck this, I'm going full creep.
00:37:25.000And they jump right in, and it's, God, it's real transparent.
00:37:40.000You might have some hobos on your fucking wagons.
00:37:43.000You know, I think what's different about this election and about Trump in particular is that it used to be we were electing a leader, right?
00:37:51.000Someone who would be a role model and all that.
00:37:53.000I think he threw that all out the door.
00:37:55.000And social media throws even more out the door.
00:37:57.000And what I mean is, I think the public is the leader now.
00:38:01.000I mean, I think no laws get passed unless the majority of the public wants it to get passed.
00:38:06.000Anything that gets a little out of line, social media just throws it back in line.
00:38:11.000And more than ever, I think we hired an employee rather than a leader.
00:38:15.000I feel like I hired a plumber, you know, someone who's just really good at a specific set of skills, negotiating, you know, maybe doing something with the budget, whatever needs to be done, secure the borders.
00:38:26.000But it's sort of like picking a lawyer.
00:38:29.000I don't care what he's doing in his personal life.
00:38:33.000And by the way, which of our kids are looking to 70-year-old men as their role models anyway?
00:38:39.000I mean, I don't know if that happens a lot anyway.
00:38:41.000But I think he really is going to be the first sort of people's president.
00:38:46.000You see his policies changing in real time.
00:38:50.000The example we talked about earlier when he misspoke and he said women should be It turns out that the law and both Republicans and Democrats think that's crazy because it would discourage, you know, encourage the wrong behavior and so only the doctor is punished.
00:39:09.000But you saw him change his opinion in 24 hours just by being a little more informed and hearing that the public was all on the same side.
00:39:33.000In the business realm, it's more like A-B testing.
00:39:36.000Which is you're rapidly testing things, you see what the response is, and you adjust if you don't get the right response.
00:39:41.000But that's also like one of the criticisms of him is that he talks off the cuff without really having researched or thought deeply about these subjects.
00:39:47.000And when you're talking about a guy who's supposed to be the leader of the greatest country the world's ever known, like that guy should probably not do that.
00:39:55.000I'm going to put a different filter on that.
00:39:58.000From the persuasion filter, Since facts and logic and policies and stuff don't matter as much as you want, when you see him ignoring things that you just think, man, a reasonable person would not say that, a reasonable person would not ignore that, he ignores things because they don't matter.
00:40:15.000You think he's ignoring something very important and he would perform better if he did what you imagine is the right way to act.
00:41:44.000If you're a little bit worried about immigration, he's worried about, you know, ISIS coming over here and putting people in cages and cutting off heads and, my God, there's a hordes coming over the border.
00:41:56.000That when he changes toward the middle, and you knew he had to, because you have to do that when you get in the general election, that his side was not feeling betrayed because they're saying, well, if he's changing the specifics of his policy, it must be because he looked into it, and that's what's practical.
00:43:22.000So every year there's going to be this conversation anytime the vote is close.
00:43:27.000But what you see is that Trump doesn't care about, let's say, the consistency or what somebody would say is being a hypocrite.
00:43:37.000I've tweeted this recently that the least persuasive thing you could ever say in politics if you're trying to change somebody's mind is, that person's a hypocrite.
00:43:47.000In all of history, that's never changed anybody's mind.
00:44:10.000It just doesn't seem like anybody could really do it.
00:44:13.000It's both impossible and the easiest job in the sense that the office of the president and all the advisors and all the public opinion is going to force you down to just a few possible options.
00:44:24.000And those two options, you will not have enough information to know which one's better.
00:44:28.000So anybody guessing among the last two options that they've narrowed it down to...
00:44:35.000There's a little bit of luck involved, I've got to say.
00:44:39.000Well, you have to match the personality and the time, right?
00:44:42.000So you could have a president who was just terrific in wartime.
00:44:48.000But weren't much good in anything else.
00:44:49.000So they'd be, next thing you know, they're on Mount Rushmore.
00:44:53.000But you have Obama, whose primary job was winding down two wars and basically cleaning up another mess and keeping us from a larger problem, the economy melting down.
00:45:06.000So Obama is really the presidency of things he prevented that could have been worse.
00:45:12.000Well, I would put him in the top 20% of presidents.
00:45:41.000Everybody's saying, Obama, total failure without Obamacare, because we're going to keep the good parts, keywords, keep the good parts, exactly as he fucking planned and said so publicly.
00:46:23.000Well, there's this weird thing that we've done now with Trump that I've never seen before where we've narrowed him down to chants and slogans.
00:46:33.000I talked in this podcast about I was in New York City at the time of the protests because I was there for the UFC and we were walking from the gym to the hotel and we just got caught in this wave of people screaming with really fucking crazy signs,
00:47:07.000Yeah, there's pictures of them online.
00:47:09.000So the big question is, since I have one foot in the, you know, the alt-right world, because I sample everything over there, but I'm also watching CNN and regular media, and these folks live in completely different realities because they have...
00:47:24.000Different information because they're looking at different sources.
00:47:27.000So within the conservative side of things, it is universally understood that the protesters are professional and they're paid by Soros.
00:47:39.000On the other side, people think it's a true grassroots movement.
00:47:43.000And so the view is completely two different worlds.
00:47:47.000Well there may very well be some people that have been paid to protest, but there is absolutely a bunch of people that are protesting because they're upset.
00:47:56.000I mean, they might be fluffed up a little bit.
00:48:27.000Like, Donald Trump, KKK. Like, they want to, like, yell out things that they associate with him, which I've never seen before about a president.
00:49:53.000She had all these people activated who would have been instantly deactivated if Trump had lost.
00:50:00.000But there's no deactivation on the bomb now.
00:50:02.000She created this societal bomb that is these protests and the way people feel.
00:50:08.000These people literally believe that Hitler was just elected.
00:50:13.000You know, a version of Hitler who will...
00:50:16.000And I actually saw today a journalist talking about, you know, concentration camps and that sort of thing.
00:50:23.000I believe nothing even remotely like that's going to happen or, you know, I would obviously be on the side of the protesters.
00:50:32.000So it's not their view of the world is that the Trump supporters know he's a racist and they installed him because they want him to go do racist things.
00:50:42.000Trump supporters know that even within their ranks, it's like, I don't know, 2% of people are actual racists.
00:50:48.000And I've never met one, like the hardcore kind.
00:51:01.000He said, not all Trump supporters are racists, but all racists are Trump supporters.
00:51:05.000So what we have here is a situation where the racists are living in their own little world and they think they actually, you know, got their guy.
00:51:28.000So what's happened is that Clinton has, somewhat accidentally, because she thought she was going to win, at which point this whole problem goes away, somewhat accidentally created this gigantic societal bomb that there's no way to defuse.
00:51:42.000But a number of people, including me, are trying to figure out how to literally dehypnotize people who are in this illusion that World War III just started.
00:51:56.000One of the big ones was when she was confronted about the DNC hack and her emails and all that stuff, the hacked emails from her server, where she diverted attention by saying that it was Russia that did this and that there would be repercussions,
00:52:13.000and then she said, even possibly militarily, Like, that's the worst diffusion of responsibility ever.
00:52:21.000Like, we're talking about you deleting emails after a subpoena, and your argument is that the Russians got those emails and we should bomb them.
00:52:31.000I mean, that's literally what she's saying.
00:52:33.000That was crazy when she said there would be repercussions militarily.
00:54:40.000The way it was set up, if somebody pitched that around the joke writer's table, it was Tony Hinchcliffe and Jeff Rosser, they'd be like, no, no, no, that one's not going to make it.
00:54:55.000And she didn't know how to deliver it either, and it was just a clunky, Extra attempt to connect Putin and Trump because people are scared of Russia.
00:55:05.000But it was so shitty and ham-handed that it just didn't work.
00:55:09.000And everybody knows there's no fucking evidence.
00:55:11.000I mean, there's no evidence that Russia's doing anything.
00:55:14.000I think the Russia thing took her from, you know, serious states person, you know, the most experienced person who ever ran for president, to a little bit ridiculous.
00:55:40.000That was the most unfortunate thing about it.
00:55:42.000When you do see all this stuff on TV, one thing that you can't deny, it might not affect you, and it might not affect me, but there are certain people that follow the tone of the leaders of this country.
00:55:52.000And when you have a guy who's the president who, you know...
00:55:57.000Is gonna say insulting shit, call Jon Stewart a pussy in a tweet at 1.30 in the morning.
00:56:02.000Like, that sets the tone for the country.
00:56:05.000And it's gonna make some people very happy.
00:56:07.000There's some people that love to talk shit, they love to insult people, and they're like, fuck yeah, open season.
00:56:12.000The way I described it, I said political correctness took a missile to the dick.
00:56:17.000This is the guy at the top of the totem pole, and we can relax our standards now on all the things that have been annoying you about people nitpicking about behaviors and insults and safe words and safe spaces.
00:57:39.000We're accepting madness as being okay!
00:57:42.000And I think because of that, we're so accepting and so sensitive that anything involving gender gets a fucking free pass on all of its ludicrous aspects.
00:57:53.000Like, she's a ludicrous person, but we gave her a free pass because she used to be a man and then she became a woman.
00:57:58.000She fucking doesn't believe in gay marriage!
00:58:23.000And I think there's this reaction when things go way too far left, when there's, you know, 78 different gender pronouns that you have to learn, when, you know, political correctness takes some crazy path where you're removing the General Lee's Confederate flag from the roof and pulling it off a TV land.
00:59:09.000People don't ask a lot from other people.
00:59:13.000So you have this Confederate flag, a bunch of people like it because it's like, oh, it's the past, it's the South.
00:59:18.000So, you know, you want to respect that people like what they like.
00:59:22.000But another big part of the public is just really, really offended by it.
00:59:27.000Like, not in a normal offensive way, like, you know, oh, you said a bad word, but like, you know, the deepest, you know, pain the country has ever experienced, you know, the slavery.
00:59:38.000So if you can't allow your fellow citizen that little bit of respect, it's like, yeah, this is really inconvenient.
00:59:45.000I wish I could keep my Confederate flag, whatever.
01:01:53.000It is interesting, though, that there's some people that would argue for the Confederate flag, but almost no one would argue for the Nazi flag.
01:02:01.000Well, probably somebody does, but yeah, I know what you're saying.
01:05:29.000See, that's a big part of the problem.
01:05:30.000I've been mad at Caitlin since she was Bruce, because I happened to be on a flight one time across country, and Bruce at the time was in the seat in front of me and leaned his seat all the way back, and I couldn't use my laptop for five hours.
01:08:49.000He's not the worst human in the world.
01:08:51.000It's just like, when this gets paraded out as being this very important point...
01:08:56.000Well, as soon as it gets paraded out and you make a big deal and you want to go on all these talk shows, you want to talk about yourself, well, they have to examine you as an actual person and not just stop at gender.
01:11:28.000But it makes sense when you're looking at, say, your ethnicity, because probably biologically we're primed to prefer whatever looks like us, right?
01:11:37.000You're just naturally primed for that.
01:12:08.000You live a wonderful life Scott Adams.
01:12:10.000You're a wealthy successful man and For some people there's not a whole lot to look forward to and this is not obviously I'm not using a broad blanket to paint all sports fans But I think that there's a lot of people out there that look to the success of their team and they get happiness or sadness from that and if you're in a team like if you're in Cleveland and And they kick ass and win the world title.
01:12:34.000I mean, they have the world heavyweight champion.
01:13:43.000Vegas seems like a good fit, though, doesn't it?
01:13:45.000Yeah, but it was all created because I mean all sports teams in this country essentially were a response to war being over and people thinking with real good reason that men at least Need war.
01:14:02.000They need some form of war to develop character and to build strong, definitive nations.
01:14:11.000Almost need to unite and bond with war.
01:14:14.000And the concept was, well, if we can't do that, let's figure out some sort of a game that they can play.
01:14:27.000Like, it's been discussed, and there's been a lot of historians that have concentrated on leaders that have talked about the importance of conflict, the importance of war, and the bringing the country together, and the support of nationalism,
01:14:42.000the support of loyalty and honor and pride.
01:14:45.000Like, all that, a lot of it has to be connected with consequence and loss.
01:15:31.000It was made in the Carlisle Indian School, formed in 1879 to assimilate children and the grandchildren of Native Americans who fought in the Plains Wars.
01:17:16.000It might be the worst thing you could do to some people.
01:17:19.000Just tuck them away on this little patch of land, isolate them from everybody else, and they're watching the rest of the world change around them in some sort of a strange way.
01:17:28.000And they're Americans, but they're not.
01:17:30.000They're in some sort of a weird territory that they have ultimate control over and they start having gambling there and doing whatever the fuck they want.
01:17:50.000You really stop and think about the genocide of the Native Americans in this country and how rarely that comes up.
01:17:55.000And there's no flag, which is really interesting when you, you know, obviously there are some flags for some nations, but I mean, there's no one thing that represents our war with them.
01:18:03.000That's no offensive symbol other than like a few sports teams, right?
01:18:44.000They're going to be able to read minds?
01:18:45.000Well, it depends also upon what a person becomes, because I have a feeling they're going to come up with legs that are artificial that work way better than your real legs.
01:18:53.000Like, I have a bunch of friends that have, like, fake hips or fake knees or, you know, they've had surgery and they've had a bunch of stuff fixed.
01:19:01.000I know a lot of people that have had hip replacements, like maybe a dozen.
01:19:05.000So I've figured out that if I create enough public information about me, you know, there are enough times I'm recorded, like I'm being right now, Enough of my writing is in the public.
01:19:18.000There's no video of me that after I die I could be recreated in software almost in full because you would have my Everything from my personality my sense of humor my choice of words So some future program could just go to the internet Google my name and take all those sources and bring together an actual physical hologram that walks and talks like me 100 years after I'm dead and Well,
01:19:44.000Jamie, you were just telling me about some software that they've developed that you can take someone's...
01:19:49.000Someone can say, like, I could make a statement.
01:19:53.000Scott Adams is a really cool guy, and I always love hanging out with him.
01:19:55.000And they can move the words all over the place, where it's a jumbled sentence and it doesn't make any sense, and then change the inflection, and it sounds perfect.
01:20:26.000Yeah, it's like a five minute video where they should think he's called like Photoshop for for audio.
01:20:30.000Oh, it's like it's manipulating audio in a way that people aren't used to or have even seen up until they've just shown this kind of demonstration.
01:20:38.000So the point being, if you could automate this, if you could put this inside some sort of an artificial intelligence structure that knew when to inflect, when to have a question, when to...
01:20:49.000Or maybe you would be a tech guy and you're talking upspeak.
01:20:53.000I love upspeak because it's so fucking...
01:20:55.000It's this weird thing that these tech dorks do, where they sort of talk in this really weird and predictable way, and they all do it, and basically it makes you seem like you're sensitive and intelligent and on the ball, and it's a weird fucking little sneaky thing that some of these tech guys do,
01:21:12.000where it takes you a while to go, oh, you're not smart at all.
01:21:15.000You're fucking crazy, but you talk in upspeak.
01:21:18.000You know, they've decided to take on the persona of a tech person.
01:21:38.000I think it's more prevalent in Northern California than it is in Southern California.
01:21:43.000It's almost like they're halfway like an NPR sort of radio personality, halfway that, and halfway a strip club DJ. It's like they have this thing going on where it's a fake voice and they're talking about technology.
01:22:33.000You know like there's a almost a woman up speak that you'll see occasionally on daytime talk shows Where like a bunch of women will sit around and they'll be on a show and the woman or it's all audience the women's The audience is all women and there's all women on the panel and then they're cooking or they're talking about clothes and what the women's up speak is Sentences don't end.
01:22:57.000They just sort of stop talking Do you ever know somebody who didn't have any way to end a story?
01:27:28.000What people were saying was they were shadow banning that Hillary for prison hashtag.
01:27:33.000Meaning if you put hashtag Hillary for prison, someone could search it and find it, but if you put it, it wouldn't show up in other people's feeds.
01:27:43.000I'm having a real tough time with what's proven because lots of people are sending me my own stuff and saying, here's proof that you have been shadow banned because look at this page compared to this page.
01:27:54.000And I always look at them and I go, I'm not really a lawyer.
01:28:58.000Do you like being shadowbanned, or do you like the idea of you being shadowbanned without definitive proof that you're shadowbanned?
01:29:03.000I like the thought that I might be so dangerous to the minds of America that there's a major corporation who's actually making a conscious decision, saying, whew, America has had a little bit too much of this guy.
01:29:43.000Well, certainly not compared to everything else that's on Twitter.
01:29:47.000Not even compared to things that Leslie Jones wrote.
01:29:50.000I mean, the person that he was supposedly attacking and what he was doing was he was targeting a piece of art and he critiqued it very harshly.
01:30:18.000And so when that whole thing went down with the Leslie Jones thing, I absolutely didn't agree with all the people that were being mean and insulting to Leslie, but that's kind of what happens if you put yourself out there with a piece of art, right, that people don't like.
01:30:32.000And all he did was say that they were all ugly.
01:30:35.000You know, he was saying that it's a bad feminist film because all the men are buffoons and all the women are saving the world.
01:30:58.000He's like, they've decidedly picked people that were unattractive to make this sort of feminist point, that these overweight women can save the world.
01:31:06.000That they're the ones who are going to, like, they're targeting, and that's why all the men are buffoons.
01:31:13.000Like, the idea being, if you wanted to look at it broadly, the idea being that these are the type of women that the guy like the Thor dude, what's his name?
01:31:50.000And then becomes the villain at the end.
01:31:52.000So he represents this unattainable goal of having this gigantic, beautiful man be attracted to you.
01:31:59.000So they've turned him into this complete retard.
01:32:02.000Like if this was a woman in a movie It would be one of the most offensive portrayals of a woman ever and I'm sure it's been done I'm sure it's been done right especially like in the old days like I mean there was how many fucking dopey secretary roles were there in the world, right?
01:32:15.000So he was that the male caricature of that But there's not a single other male in the movie that wasn't a complete buffoon Every male is a failure and ultimately gets killed and dies Every woman saves the day and this was Milo's point So in most forms of entertainment,
01:32:32.000you need the dumb one and the smart one.
01:32:34.000There's always going to be that contrast.
01:32:36.000And in earlier times, there were other people you could poke fun at, and society would say, oh yeah, we make fun of that.
01:32:43.000And the wife was the dumb one in the 50s.
01:32:48.000And now some of it is just what target can you get away with?
01:32:57.000And men are the, you know, the current target.
01:33:00.000If you look at commercials, almost all the commercials are the woman is the smart one and the man did something stupid that she had to fix.
01:33:29.000I mean, any couple's sort of comedy, the man is a buffoon.
01:33:33.000Married with children, Peg's always wanting sex, Al's just all fucked up, he's trying to get away from her, he hates his life, everything falls apart on him, his daughter's acting like a little hussy, right?
01:35:35.000Is it because she represents what you think is, like, liberal, progressive mindset?
01:35:41.000And then he represents this alt-right that people are terrified of and hate.
01:35:45.000He represents the Gamergate, which gave birth to the alt-right.
01:35:49.000Like, Gamergate allowed people to realize, like, hey, there's actually some intelligent people that are tired of all this bullshit that these feminists are trying to push down our throats.
01:35:57.000And intelligent people that are coming together and go, no, Laura Croft is not the fucking bane of civilization.
01:36:02.000It's fun to watch her run around with her tits jiggling, shoot guns at things.
01:36:09.000You know, and women were playing that game, too, and saying the same thing.
01:36:12.000And this portrayal of these people as being these ugly, misogynist monsters, the backlash of that is what gave birth to Gamergate.
01:36:21.000And a lot of Gamergate was harassment, targeted harassment of women, horrible stuff, right?
01:36:25.000But I think, as you were saying, when you're talking about Trump supporters, there's a certain percentage of these Trump supporters that probably are racist.
01:36:41.000But there's also some other people in there, that has to be, that are reasonable.
01:36:45.000Because if you look at the number of people that voted for Obama, and you look at the number of people that voted for Trump, a lot of those people are the same people.
01:36:52.000Well, actually, if you look at Romney's vote compared to Trump, I think Romney, Trump did better in most ethnic groups.
01:37:35.000Mitt Romney comes from a faction of the Mormons that were so hardcore that when the United States banned polygamy, they went, well, fuck this.
01:39:32.000The people in the Mormon church, like the friends that I know that are Mormons, they go to church on a regular basis, and it's almost like this community gathering of super polite people that agree to be super polite.
01:39:42.000I've said the same thing, and I don't know if it's because they don't drink and don't have coffee or something, but...
01:39:48.000I don't think I've ever met a Mormon I didn't really like.
01:40:11.000Well, they're a little hypocritical, right?
01:40:12.000Like, you're not allowed to drink coffee, so this dude drinks energy drinks.
01:40:16.000Monsters, those fucking giant ones, he pounds those things.
01:40:19.000And, you know, you're not supposed to do drugs, but you can get away with it if the doctor prescribes you Xanax, you're allowed to take that.
01:40:27.000Because it's not in any of their books.
01:40:50.000Well, like I said, I've never talked to one who actually believes the stuff that's really out there.
01:40:57.000Yeah, I mean, it can easily just be they enjoy the community aspect of it and the bonding of it, and they believe in God, and maybe they just let all that other stuff slide.
01:42:07.000Because the planet thing sounds pretty appealing.
01:42:10.000Well, imagine if we go back to your original idea that this is some sort of a software simulation and that's why your memories are so wacky and nothing sticks and Imagine if you literally are choosing, by virtue of your decision to join a certain religion,
01:42:28.000Like, if you're in a video game and there's like a bunch of different doors, you have to figure out which one's the right door to go through, and you go through that door, it's a totally different adventure.
01:42:36.000What if we really are a software simulation, and just like you say, the software allows you to pick an afterlife, and you do actually experience it?
01:42:46.000Because if we're software, that would be totally practical.
01:42:49.000If we're software, that would be totally practical.
01:42:52.000And that simulation theory thing is a mindfuck.
01:42:56.000Because if you don't know what we're talking about, here's the rub.
01:42:59.000The rub is, one day, without a doubt, if we continue, if we don't get hit by an asteroid, if we don't get swallowed up in a supervolcano or a tsunami or an earthquake or something crazy...
01:43:10.000Human beings will reach a point where if you look at the exponential growth of technology, we are going to be able to create an artificial reality that is indistinguishable from regular reality.
01:43:22.000If that's the case, how will we know if we're in it?
01:44:20.000Well, there's also the very slippery aspect of consciousness where we shut it off every night and then turn it back on in the morning.
01:44:26.000And we assume that our memories when we wake up in the morning are all accurate.
01:44:30.000We assume that we really did, you know, wake up November 17th, 2016 in our bed, put our clothes on with this database of life experiences leading up to that point.
01:44:42.000But how the fuck do you know it didn't just start?
01:44:44.000You just woke up and you might have been installed with this goofy life memory that you might have started this life this morning.
01:44:51.000Yeah, if you look into physics, we know, and when I say we, I mean people much smarter who are physicists, know that things don't really exist until you observe them.
01:46:06.000The way it's been explained to me by a friend of mine who's actually a physicist, he said it's often there's a lot of woo-woo that's tacked onto this.
01:46:14.000But when you're talking about these measurements that people say like that in the act of measuring something and looking at something, you change the result.
01:46:21.000He's like, that is much better interpreted by the measurement itself.
01:46:26.000The actual act of seeing something or recording something or interfacing with it in some way to get a reading changes the result.
01:46:34.000He's like, that's much more likely what's going on.
01:46:36.000There's no real evidence that looking at something changes it because if you weren't looking at it before, how do you know if it was different?
01:46:47.000That's not the way I understood it, but I'm also not a physicist, nor do I have a friend who's a physicist who can explain it to me like that.
01:46:54.000I get confused at these things because they're often repeated, and they're repeated by people who haven't looked into it, and it gets me worried.
01:47:00.000It's one of those things like the wage gap thing.
01:47:03.000Do you know the wage gap argument versus reality?
01:47:08.000Because really smart people will tell you women make 79 cents for every dollar a man makes.
01:47:14.000And that gives you the impression that they're working side by side in the same factory and the woman's making 79 cents and the man's making a dollar.
01:47:21.000What it means is, overall, men make a dollar to 79 cents that women make because of career choices, because of jobs, the different jobs that they choose.
01:47:30.000If you're going to make the argument that it's more difficult for women to get those jobs, that's a different argument.
01:48:10.000But so when they start talking about this gender gap, which everybody throws around all willy-nilly with no research whatsoever, they really believe that you're talking about two lawyers working in the same firm side by side.
01:48:24.000How many times have you been in a conversation with somebody who believed in the 79-cent figure, and then you explained it to them, and they said, oh, no, I don't think that's the case.
01:49:51.000As soon as you start pretending that women get paid less for the same job across the board, you ruin the whole argument because now we're not dealing in reality.
01:50:01.000Now we're doing the same thing where we're not looking at Caitlyn Jenner as a human.
01:50:05.000We're looking at it as a gender identity hero.
01:50:54.000But, you know, there's a broad spectrum of people in the world, right?
01:50:58.000When you're talking about people that you respect, your peers, colleagues, fellow cartoonists, I mean, are you talking about them or are you talking about...
01:51:33.000Because I think it, like we were talking about with the Hillary Clinton thing about lying about Russia, as soon as you lie about that, as soon as you lie about something, well, I'm going, what the fuck?
01:51:41.000You know, when you see, I'm sure you've seen it, the director Comey video where it compares what Comey said versus what Hillary is saying he said.
01:51:54.000Like, this is a crazy moment where you're seeing this because it didn't exist until recently where you had this YouTube phenomenon where you can watch and get millions of hits on these videos where it shows the reality versus what you're saying.
01:52:07.000And as soon as you throw a non-reality into it, I know that you're dealing with it from a team perspective.
01:53:09.000It's like, so, and then Trump will get elected, and then he'll just make everything good, and then there will be just unicorns, right?
01:53:16.000Yeah, that's a weird argument that people love to put words in your mouth and then force you to defend them.
01:53:22.000I talk about the word so as a tell for that whatever is going to come next is a hallucination.
01:53:30.000So if you say to me, it doesn't matter what you said, you know, I went to the store yesterday, I would say, so you abandoned your children.
01:54:02.000I think there was one movie that's well known in the history that this one movie, I don't know what it was, showed somebody using a watch to hypnotize and then it just became a thing.
01:54:13.000But it was never a thing within the hypnotist world.
01:54:16.000Was there ever a moment during this whole campaign where, you know, it was getting really crazy and people were angry about so many different things?
01:54:25.000Like, how about when all those women came out en masse, right?
01:54:30.000There was that one time where all these women were coming out saying, Donald Trump tried to grab my tits and Donald Trump, and some of them were, like, pretty innocuous.
01:54:38.000But it was all together, like a coordinated effort.
01:54:40.000Was there ever a moment where you're like, what the fuck did I do?
01:54:44.000Why did I come out in support of this guy?
01:55:04.000It was tongue-in-cheek, but I was also getting out of the blast zone.
01:55:07.000Because remember, I was never supporting him based on policies.
01:55:10.000I was just talking about his persuasion.
01:55:12.000But was there ever a time where you thought, I should probably make a moral distinction because I'm getting caught up You get caught up in this wave of angry alt-white people and their misogyny and racism and all the- I mean, the worst aspects, right?
01:55:39.000Not in those words, but I'm fortunately in a situation where I have what I call fuck you money, and I can kind of take some risks that you wouldn't take earlier in your career.
01:55:52.000And one of them is the risk to say whatever I think is useful and necessary and I want to say.
01:55:58.000And so that is a huge risk to be associated with anybody unpleasant.
01:56:04.000But at the same time, I self-identify with being ultra-liberal.
01:56:09.000Like, liberal people seem a little too conservative for me.
01:57:24.000Like, you could always write in a presidential candidate if you want to do that, but, like, voting on things like legalizing marijuana, things that are really important, I mean, that's...
01:58:08.000It won by a landslide, but I thought it was important.
01:58:10.000I felt like if I was going to vote, I mean, the voting for freedom, wherever it is, wherever it's possible, especially freedom, you're not hurting anybody, and you're removing the possibility of being locked up for something that's not hurting anybody.
01:58:22.000Across the board, whether it's pot or whether it's wearing dresses, I'm for that.
01:58:26.000I would be just as enthusiastic about a transgender law.
01:58:29.000If someone made it a law where a man couldn't become a woman, and we were fighting against that, I would be as enthusiastic as I am about almost.
02:00:03.000Because that means in the 49 other states, you leave open the possibility that people are going to be locked up in jail for non-violent crimes that don't hurt anyone.
02:00:29.000So to me, it becomes primarily a freedom issue, the same way it would be if men wanted to wear dresses, or if women wanted to wear combat boots, and all of a sudden we said, we can't have that anymore.
02:00:38.000Well, you're giving two examples that I consider easy, you know, the weed and the gender thing.
02:01:11.000And it was like the future, not a long time, five or ten years.
02:01:15.000And it can do everything from tell you when you should take a sip of water because you're dehydrated and knows what kind of food you should eat and when.
02:01:21.000It knows when you should sleep and it tells you how.
02:01:25.000In the beginning, you're going to say, oh, good suggestion.
02:02:03.000I think also people like when things become...
02:02:07.000When you have less stuff to talk about or think about, you know, and as soon as you get in your car and your car drives itself, well, now I don't have to think about that anymore, you know?
02:02:15.000I was going to invest in alcohol companies, you know, companies that produced and manufactured alcohol.
02:02:21.000Because you could be drunk in your car now?
02:04:39.000Probably a few people in the government who know what we know about citizens.
02:04:42.000But the idea that there's anybody coming into the country, and we don't have a really good idea of where they are at any time.
02:04:48.000I mean, if they have back doors into everything from the credit card processing companies to all the other big cell phone companies, they have a working profile on everybody if they want to.
02:05:01.000In other words, they have to push the button to run the program.
02:05:04.000But if they wanted to know your religion, they wouldn't need to have you fill it out on a form because they could check your credit card and say, hey, he buys gas next to the synagogue or the mosque or whatever, and his friends are these because they do the same things at the same time.
02:06:07.000He was crazy, PTSD'd out, out of his fucking mind, veteran, ran across the lawn.
02:06:12.000The guy who was in charge of monitoring the grassy area where this guy ran across took his earpiece out and was on the phone with his girlfriend.
02:06:23.000So this guy was like having a conversation with his girlfriend while this guy's running across the lawn.
02:06:41.000Well, the guy turns out was arrested just a couple of months before this with 800 fucking rounds of ammunition.
02:06:50.000Four rifles, two handguns, a machete, an axe, armed to the tits, with a fucking map of Washington, D.C. with an X where the White House is!
02:07:07.000We are dealing with way more incompetence than we would like to believe or that we would care to admit.
02:07:15.000So that was a case of a criminal investigation that the law enforcement people didn't coordinate, right?
02:07:21.000Well, it was both that and complete arrogance and not having an alarm system on, not having more than one person guarding the lawn, not having more than one person at the door, having a woman at the door by herself with this fucking...
02:07:36.000Giant soldier comes running through and knocks her to the ground and runs around the White House.
02:07:50.000So you're never really ready for the thing that hasn't happened.
02:07:52.000I always think about if nuclear war broke out, like, let's say, Russia and the United States decide, all right, it's on, and we're going to launch.
02:08:06.000Like, we've only tested the bomb and we've tested the missile, but we haven't tested the missile on the bomb and the chain of command and who puts the codes in.
02:08:17.000Imagine it was all a fucking Fugazi scheme and there was nothing even in those things.
02:08:22.000Just taking that tax dollars and using it for satanic rituals and flying on private jets everywhere.
02:08:28.000Did you read all that stuff, the Podesta stuff that came out in the WikiLeaks emails about all the weird rituals they were going to?
02:08:37.000The spirit cooking involved sperm and blood and what in the fuck are they doing?
02:08:44.000Like, I don't like to believe when Alex Jones goes on to his fucking crazy, they're all Satanists, every one of them, they're all worshiping Satan!
02:08:52.000You know, you go, well, Alex Jones is crazy.
02:09:14.000So the explanation was the woman who I guess was the hostess says, oh yeah, it does mean those other things, but we've sort of, you know, cutely just generalized it to whatever we're doing.
02:09:25.000So the spirit cooking didn't mean any of that.
02:09:57.000I didn't look into the explanation, because to me, it's one of those things that I don't want to know any further, because it's too fun to think these wacky fucks are out there jizzing in a bucket of blood and drinking it and throwing it on themselves.
02:10:14.000I think the best moment of the whole year was related to that.
02:10:18.000It was Mike Cernovich was, you know, tweeting about it the most.
02:10:21.000And I realized that, you know, I think it was the Washington Post ran out like a piece by piece sort of explaining why it wasn't what it was.
02:10:29.000And I thought, where have we come to the point where Mike Cernovich makes the Washington Post defend how much sperm Podesta ate?
02:11:19.000Allegedly banged a bunch of chicks that work there and you know sexually harassed him allegedly allegedly allegedly keep saying that um But he was they were saying he was like why would I do that when women will pay one dollar for one drop of my sperm?
02:11:35.000He was saying he was saying they pay yeah He was saying there's thousands of women signing up to fuck him and that four of them committed suicide because he wouldn't fuck them and that people are willing to pay a million dollars for a drop of his sperm Well,
02:12:39.000This yoga guy, this guy that you think of as being like peace and satnam and namaste and we're all going to flow together and realize we're all one.
02:14:26.000But I really could see that by that time, it would be way more difficult to just...
02:14:31.000First of all, we're going to have to acknowledge that you can't just edit little pieces of someone's life and make some sort of an absolute definitive statement on who they are based on out-of-context statements and things.
02:14:44.000And also this idea that something you did in 2001 is somehow...
02:14:49.000It defines you in 2016, that you're the same person.
02:15:01.000He's, you know, trying to do things good for the country.
02:15:04.000Isn't that like the arc we're all supposed to be on, where you used to be kind of a, you know, not a good person, but you're getting better?
02:15:10.000Well, we would hope that you used to be a really good person, and now you're a god.
02:15:49.000If you look at him on paper, as far as policy, take out the Monica Lewinsky scandal and just look at, like, what he's done, what the economy was like during his time, and make your arguments plus or minus that he, you know, how much of it was because of him, how much of it was he was in a lucky spot as far as being a president, right?
02:16:38.000So the best persuader of 25 years ago was an amateur compared to the best persuader in 2016. I wonder about that because I think that JFK was a fucking magnificent persuader.
02:16:51.000Have you ever seen JFK's speech about secret societies?
02:16:55.000No, but I would agree he was great for television because he was great on television.
02:16:59.000Well, he had an incredible speech about secret societies and the importance of not having secret societies in government.
02:17:07.000And it was really like, to this day, it's one of those ones that conspiracy theorists love to bring out and go, this is why they killed him, bro.
02:17:16.000Because, I mean, it may very well be that.
02:17:19.000But, you know, he was talking about the importance of transparency amongst the government and amongst the people and how dangerous it is to hide secrets and have secret societies.
02:17:30.000And it's incredibly brilliant and it's amazing because you couldn't imagine a president saying that today.
02:17:39.000It's like, do you remember, I believe it was Eisenhower that had the speech about the military industrial complex before he left office?
02:20:12.000But they have this sort of weird hidden power where they could kind of change the, like, if California voted for Clinton, but they said, fuck that, Trump!
02:20:21.000Like, if someone actually did decide to do that, some crazy delegate.
02:20:24.000Yeah, so apparently that power is intentionally built in just to prevent a monster from being, you know, elected.
02:21:52.000They think that this is proven in lots of different ways.
02:21:55.000Well, when I was in New York, maybe there was thousands and thousands of Oscar-winning actors wandering through the streets.
02:22:02.000But honestly, to me, it didn't seem like anybody was acting.
02:22:06.000It didn't seem like anybody was a paid performer.
02:22:09.000Well, most of them could be naturals, but you'd need a core that gets everybody excited.
02:22:15.000There's got to be a core that shows up, and then other people can...
02:22:18.000Or is it that the people that are willing to take that $35 an hour, they hated Trump anyway, and this gives them an excuse to make some cash while they're hating Trump?
02:23:52.000He has some stuff that I tweeted the other day that Rachel Maddow was highlighting that he was saying that instead of giving money to AIDS research, you should give money to educate gay people about the risks of their behavior.
02:24:05.000So here's what I think is going to happen, if you want to put this in the positive perspective.
02:24:11.000The vice president will adopt the president's policies, at least in public.
02:24:17.000By the time Mike Pence, you know, might run for president or something, my guess is that it will be hard-coded.
02:24:23.000In other words, this gives him an opportunity to evolve to where the country would find him more acceptable anyway, should he want to do that.
02:24:31.000And it's sort of what I call the fake because.
02:24:33.000It gives him an excuse to do it without being a hypocrite because people say, yeah, you had to do that because he's your president.
02:26:33.000I think we would get used to each other so quickly.
02:26:37.000I think it would also force people to evolve.
02:26:39.000I mean, we all know our best friend stuff, you know, and we know the failures that we all have together collectively and we still love each other.
02:26:47.000But it's just like letting those other people in on it, letting those strangers in on the time that you did that bad thing.
02:26:53.000But the reason you care is that they'll think poorly of you and that that will affect your life.
02:26:58.000But if you have mutually assured destruction, which is that everybody's bad because you know everything about everybody.
02:27:04.000You know, everybody's got something they're not proud of.
02:27:07.000Everybody just thinks, well, I don't think I'll throw a stone because it's gonna come right back at my house.
02:27:11.000Well, I think it's step one in this complete and total assimilation.
02:27:15.000I think losing privacy, I agree with you 100%.
02:27:20.000Whether it's 30 years from now or 50 years from now, I think essentially everything you do from then on is going to...
02:27:25.000I think there's going to come some form of technology that is a leap very much like the Internet is this crazy leap, right?
02:27:32.000The Internet provides us with this instantaneous access to all the answers to all the questions you've ever had, which is just unprecedented in history.
02:27:40.000There's never been a time where you say, Well, what did happen on the Native American Trail of Tears?
02:27:56.000I think in that leap, which I think we're in the middle of, so it seems like it's not as big of a deal as it really is, there's going to be another leap that's even more spectacular than that.
02:28:06.000And that leap is going to integrate all of our minds together.
02:29:05.000Yeah, and of the thousands of people who are live at that moment, and it's the live part that's interesting, because, you know, the Internet is kind of like one person's alive and the other's, you know, looking, it's just data on the other side.
02:29:16.000But when it's live people who are contributing to a thought and you're watching a forum in real time on Periscope, it is like a new intelligence has been created by this technology that's temporal.
02:29:28.000You know, as soon as I turn it off, it turns off.
02:29:31.000But it is a large frickin' mind that multiplies whatever I have going on by the power of all the people watching.
02:31:23.000At least if Trump is a transparent sort of public president, like I think he will be, I think there's going to be a lot of policies that get created in this sort of collective brain that is Trump leading the discussion and the entire public weighing in through social media and,
02:31:40.000you know, mainstream media and every other way.
02:31:43.000I think he can do that and probably will.
02:31:45.000And it's going to be like this thrilling experience of watching good thoughts turn into better thoughts.
02:31:52.000Boy, that is the rose-colored glasses view of the Trump presidency if I've ever heard one.
02:32:19.000They're worried about the fact that he's in control of the NSA and he can hire some Edward Snowden type character to fuck up your life if you write an article about him for the Wall Street Journal or something.
02:34:26.000To fuck with him in the past, you would be tempted.
02:34:28.000You're like, well, sometimes people get away with this.
02:34:30.000Well, there's a different thing, though, once you're the president versus once you're just some billionaire, you know, Real estate tycoon because there was there was one guy that was writing about it where he had been sued by Trump and When because he wrote an article and when they started examining the actual data it got like pretty ugly pretty quick and then they abandoned the lawsuit and This guy Trump wound up getting him a seat for the fights Like,
02:34:59.000he got him a ticket, and I think he flew him out to Atlantic City and maybe someone with him as well for the fights, and that became like an issue.
02:35:12.000Well, just, you know, that he's just a master manipulator.
02:35:15.000Like, in the middle of this, he has this lawsuit thing with this guy, you know, and the guy calls him a shithead or whatever he called him and writes this article about him.
02:35:25.000Trump gets him tickets to some fight, sues him, Loses in court, you know, or loses the, you know, when they're going through all the data.
02:38:41.000And then Obama, and he's laughing, throwing his head back laughing, and Obama's looking at him with his eyebrows raised, and it says, you know she kills people, right?
02:38:58.000That kid that got shot outside of his apartment at 4 o'clock in the morning, where they didn't take his cell phone, they didn't take his wallet, they didn't take his money, and he, according to WikiLeaks, is the one that leaked all those documents about the DNC and the DNC favoring Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders.
02:39:16.000Who knows what else that guy knew, if that was the guy, if that is the case.
02:39:23.000But it doesn't seem more likely that even if they were murders because of some Hillary Clinton connection, that she wouldn't know about it.
02:39:38.000This is also the woman who was attributed in an email, whether or not it's correct, she said about Julian Assange, can't we just drone that guy?
02:39:48.000This guy's thumbing his nose at America.
02:39:59.000But from the context of a government looking at this situation, if government secrets have been stolen and it's your job to make sure this doesn't happen and to get justice, that's actually kind of a fair question.
02:40:15.000Because you're saying, what are all our options?
02:40:17.000Well, it could be off-the-cuff, flippant statement that she didn't really take serious, like, can't we just drone him?
02:40:44.000Very irrational to think that way and very impulsive to say that out loud because you're dealing with the dissolving of a nation.
02:40:53.000Libya is in complete total turmoil and has become a breeding ground for ISIS. And a lot of that can be attributed to it being completely destabilized by the United States Helping out all the people that wound up killing Gaddafi it doesn't mean Gaddafi wasn't a huge piece of shit and the world isn't better because he's dead Probably is but Libya is not better right now like Libya became completely unstable after that so that He came we came we saw he died ha ha ha ha ha That's
02:41:23.000like laughing in the face of these poor unfortunate people who just got a shit roll of the dice and grew up in Libya and now they're stuck there and they're And you're right.
02:41:33.000Is that a character from how skilled a politician she is to say something that's so clearly the wrong thing to say at the wrong time?
02:42:25.000The average person doesn't think that's a thing.
02:42:29.000But I've seen it, you know, I have as well I've seen it many many many times because I'm in the head trauma business in a lot of ways because of my experience with the UFC But I know people that have been hit in the head outside of the UFC and have never been the same That is one of the the things that I've always said about Sam Kinison Sam Kinison had a great book written about him by his brother.
02:42:51.000It's called my brother Sam Or Brother Sam.
02:42:56.000But he basically says, Sam was one person, and then he got hit by a truck when he was a little kid and became a completely different person.
02:43:04.000Became reckless and wild, and it came out of a head injury.
02:43:34.000Yeah, especially if you're saying that this same day is maybe that's amazing why she's giddy, but if that is the case Well, why don't you?
02:43:42.000Find out because this is just one this is 1 million 542,000 CBS News interview with Hillary Clinton There it goes laughed about killing Gaddafi go to that that's for 2016 and let's see when it says it says flashback Maybe it was like right after and she was so giddy,
02:44:01.000but if that's the case This is a link to that video I just pulled up.
02:44:45.000She's definitely not eating the best foods.
02:44:47.000You know, I was saying that no matter how much she drinks, if she is a social drinker, and you know people who are just social drinkers who've had two drinks, let's say, you don't want them driving.
02:44:59.000So why isn't that disqualifying for somebody who's going to be in control of the nuclear arsenal, who admits, yes, I'm a social drinker?
02:45:06.000Now, in the past, you never had to ask that question, because it was two social drinkers running against each other, so you were going to get a social drinker no matter who got elected.
02:45:14.000But Trump's the first time you had a non-drinker.
02:46:26.000And if you say, look, the Raiders are going to slaughter the Dolphins, it doesn't mean you hate the Dolphins.
02:46:30.000It means you're looking at the actual line, the defensive line, the offense, the quarterback, you're going, I see where this game's going to go.
02:46:37.000I thought when this whole thing started developing, the Trump candidacy, that it would open a crack in the universe where I could talk about this persuasion stuff and be believed.
02:46:47.000And in order to be believed, my technique for that was last year I predicted so that when the day came when I was right, I would have enough credibility to say, okay, so the other things I said, maybe you should pay attention to them too.
02:47:01.000So it was sort of a long game I was playing for credibility, and I thought that persuasion would be the most important variable.
02:47:09.000It's certainly a huge variable in this world, as is what we discussed earlier, the ability to speak publicly with confidence.
02:47:17.000Not just persuasion, but just to not look rattled.
02:47:20.000You know, even if you're not persuaded, like, he's not getting defeated, even when he's losing.
02:47:27.000And I would see, like, these debates, and I would say, well, she made some salient points, she seemed more articulate, she seemed smoother with her words, she seemed more stately, but he never felt like he lost.
02:47:48.000People walk in the room and they're downers, and your energy goes down as soon as they enter.
02:47:52.000Well, watching someone super uncomfortable or unsuccessful is hard to do.
02:47:58.000Like watching someone bomb on stage, very hard to do.
02:48:02.000One of my great moments when I started to understand the world better is the first time I smoked pot in college, and for most of my college experience, I found this weird pattern that people were nicer to me if I had just gotten high.
02:48:21.000And it was years before I realized that I was causing them to be nice.
02:48:30.000And I realized that I can control how they act simply by my emotional state.
02:48:35.000Well, definitely we control how people react to us based on what kind of...
02:48:39.000And I've given off the wrong energy before and you see it in people and you're like, ah, fuck.
02:48:43.000Maybe you're too caught up in what you're doing, you don't want to be bothered, or whatever it is.
02:48:48.000We've all been there before, and then we've all been on the opposite, where maybe someone's like, this guy's a dick, and you're like, really?
02:48:53.000I just had a wonderful, pleasant conversation with him.
02:48:56.000Because you interfaced with him in the perfect way, at the right time, with respect, and the guy lowered his guard and gave a little back to you, and you gave more to him, and then everybody's good.
02:49:07.000I think we've all experienced both of those things.
02:49:10.000And I think that's one of the problems with one-person accounts of any bad thing that went on.
02:49:16.000And I've looked at some of this Trump stuff, and I'm like, man, what really did happen?
02:49:20.000What really did happen with the Clinton accusations?
02:49:22.000What was really going down between these two people?
02:49:25.000Because one of them is talking about it, and the other one isn't, and we don't know what the fuck the answer is.
02:49:28.000And I think that that's often the case.
02:49:31.000It's like the actual reaction that people have, they want to think that the other person was being a dick, but maybe you were being something negative, too, and they reacted to that, and then it compounded.
02:49:43.000But maybe if Scott Adams was talking to the guy and used the exact same words, none of the disagreement would have taken place in the first place.
02:49:50.000The messenger is always, you know, the message.
02:49:53.000Well, we are more than one thing, and when human beings are interacting with each other, it's almost like we're putting on a combined effort, and we're piecing together a conversation,
02:50:08.000and this conversation is a joint effort.
02:50:10.000It's like we're both contributing to it, and it might come out terrible, but it might not be your fault.
02:50:16.000It might be 100% my fault, or it might be 100% your fault.
02:50:19.000But the way it comes out is because the two of us together didn't sync up.
02:50:24.000And oftentimes you say, I met Scott Adams.
02:50:32.000But it might be the way this person talked to you.
02:50:35.000They might have started out right off the bat trying to joke around and said something rude or said something they thought was funny and you didn't or caught you at a bad time or...
02:50:46.000Yeah, I just try to be aware that I'm causing people to be the way they are more often than, you know, you imagine.
02:50:54.000Well, I also got to think that being the president has got to be...
02:50:57.000I mean, you want to look at yourself the way the world looks at you, the harshness of the view of the people on the outside looking in.
02:51:06.000There's no better way than to be the president.
02:51:08.000I mean, he's got people walking down Wilshire, blocking traffic, screaming they fucking hate him.
02:51:15.000If anything's going to cause you a narcissist, clearly, obviously, the guy has a great love for himself, which is part of his success, part of why he puts his name on the buildings.
02:51:27.000That takes a hit when you see thousands of Americans, hundreds of thousands, in fact, wandering down the street with signs saying they hate you.
02:52:06.000And I'm thinking, I'm not having a bad day.
02:52:09.000I'm the president of the United States.
02:52:11.000So I think it gets lost in the noise after you get elected.
02:52:16.000I mean, if civilization breaks down, that's another story.
02:52:18.000But you're talking about a guy that if someone tweets something negative about it, he's got to tweet back.
02:52:22.000You're talking about a guy, if somebody writes an article about him in the Wall Street Journal, he'll go on his Twitter page and call that magazine or that newspaper a piece of shit.
02:52:29.000The failed New York Times still won't stop lying about me.
02:52:32.000This is not a guy who's immune to the impact of criticism against him.
02:52:35.000So if that criticism is coming in the form of hundreds of thousands of people protesting, the idea that he's going to suddenly become enlightened enough to ignore that totally...
02:52:49.000So he goes after people who are in the cage.
02:52:52.000If you're not in the cage, you're cool.
02:52:55.000So those people on the street that are just screaming and...
02:52:58.000What has he said about the protesters?
02:53:01.000I think what he said is kind of interesting because I think what he did say is that it's great that they have these rights to protest and he likes the fact that they're all getting together and voice their opinion, but we're all going to work this out together.
02:53:12.000And he likes their energy or something like that?
02:53:32.000You make a very convincing argument for this all being a positive event.
02:53:37.000And I think one of the best arguments for it being a positive event is this is the first time ever we've had someone who has no political background or aspirations, and they're already famous and successful, and they become the president.
02:55:09.000Let's say I'll just play lawyer for a second and I'm going to defend Donald Trump's climate change position, which disagrees with all of science.
02:55:19.000So you're starting from a deep hole, right?
02:55:21.000So you acknowledge that I've got a tough task here to defend this.
02:55:46.000I believe, and again, I'm going to speculate a little bit here, so I don't want to put too many words into the president's mouth, but I think that he's separating the data collection part of the science, which is you've measured things, and sure enough, temperatures seem to be changing in historically significant ways,
02:56:01.000and sure enough, humans seem to be behind some part of that change.
02:56:08.000The second part of it is not the data collection.
02:56:11.000It's the complicated models that predict what happens with all this data.
02:56:16.000I think that Trump thinks that those models are unreliable and not credible and probably bullshit, just like he thought the polls were inaccurate.
02:56:27.000Remember, you just watched him defy every expert in the world.
02:56:31.000100% of pollsters said, no, Donald Trump, look at our numbers.
02:56:49.000Right, but there's a big difference between poles and scientific measurements of our carbon footprint.
02:56:54.000No, I'm not saying they're the same thing, so I'm not going to leap and say case closed based on that.
02:56:59.000I'm just going to say that through our history, if you're trying to find the context, how many times have we built a complicated model on that scale?
02:57:22.000Yeah, but the economy is largely based on confidence.
02:57:26.000There's a bunch of factors involved in the economy.
02:57:28.000How much is involved in the atmosphere?
02:57:30.000I mean, can the models figure out that there's a volcano over here, something happened in the ocean that you didn't expect, some seaweed died?
02:57:43.000You don't think they've accounted for that when they're talking about the models of the Earth being warmer every year?
02:57:48.000For the past decade and scientists being incredibly concerned that have been studying this their whole lives, seeing unprecedented levels of change.
02:57:58.000I think that here's where the analogy to the polling is similar.
02:58:02.000We all thought the polling was reliable because it's sort of math and the science seems to work.
02:58:09.000What you realize later is that there was a whole bunch of judgment that went into which variable to include and, you know, assumptions about who's going to show up on polling day.
02:58:18.000And nobody could have any good idea what was going to happen.
02:58:21.000So the most important part of the models was literally just people sitting in the room saying, I don't know, I think it'll be like last time.
02:58:28.000You think that's the case with science, though, and with climate change?
02:58:33.000I think that it seems likely, and again, this would be subject to smarter people correcting me, and I could easily be corrected on this.
02:58:41.000I think that when you have big, complicated models and lots of people working on it, there are probably places in which people are using judgment.
02:58:48.000For example, and this would just be a, you know, just to make the point, there may be two sets of data And you could say, well, this one seems more reliable than that one because of whatever.
02:58:59.000So I would think that probably different scientists could get wildly different projections, and all of them tapping the same source of data, just like the pollsters got the wrong answers, but they're all looking at the same data.
02:59:12.000I see what you're saying, kind of, but I really don't see the connection between that and the polls, because everybody knows the polls is based on a very small group of people, whereas the vast majority of the population is largely uncounted.
02:59:26.000Like, we really weren't, we were guessing and gauging their opinion.
02:59:31.000But that wasn't the problem, because polling is scientific enough that it can capture...
02:59:38.000I mean, you have to admit that There's a certain percentage that we absolutely know we're not measuring those people.
02:59:43.000When you're talking about the temperature of the earth, you're absolutely measuring.
02:59:48.000I mean, you're measuring the climate all over the globe.
02:59:51.000You're actually measuring the sheer hard numbers.
02:59:54.000There's no opinion based on, there's no fluctuation of opinion.
02:59:57.000I'm agreeing with you that the data collection is probably pretty solid because there isn't enough So the interpretation of the data is what you're disagreeing with?
03:00:06.000By the time you put it into an economic model, there's almost certainly a judgment call that somebody doesn't think is a judgment call.
03:00:15.000That's almost guaranteed to be part of the model-building procedure.
03:00:19.000Now, I would love for somebody to educate me on this, because I've never talked to somebody whose job it is to build a climate model.
03:00:26.000Like, I'd love to sit in a room and say, is there any part of this Where two people who are both experts could have picked a different variable.
03:00:34.000And I'm almost certain that's the case because it's a lot of variables and it's complicated and it's always going to be the case.
03:00:40.000Right, but when you have a mass consensus when it comes to scientists, you're not talking about politicians, you're not talking about CNN versus Fox News, you're talking about scientists, right?
03:00:49.000We have a vast consensus that believe that we have a real issue with our carbon footprint and that we really need to slow down the amount of pollutants and the particulates that we put into the air.
03:01:06.000The thing that people worry about a lot of is not just the carbon in the air, but also the fucking dirt, the dust, the actual pollution being...
03:01:34.000I put solar panels on my house when I built it nine years ago.
03:01:40.000Those solar panels have saved me enough electricity and I can predict forward that I'll definitely get my money back from putting on solar panels.
03:01:47.000Question, was it a good economic idea to put those solar panels on, knowing what you know, that the cost will more than be made up in my savings?
03:02:12.000Because I knew, and this is what happened, the cost of solar cells dropped so quickly that if I had simply waited three years and bought it then, I would have only lost three years of savings.
03:02:24.000What I would have gotten at such a lower price that I would pay it back much faster, and then it'd be gravy from there on.
03:02:32.000If you only wanted to look at it that way, if you didn't take into consideration the variable of you affecting the carbon footprint of the Earth by gathering up your electricity for three years due to conventional means.
03:03:19.000Yeah, they're already on the drawing board ideas for putting a giant hose into the upper atmosphere and somehow sucking bad things out into the space.
03:03:30.000We're going to suck all the clouds out, too.
03:03:39.000But chances are, if you waited five or ten years and then got serious about it, you'd probably be in a better position because we'd have better technology.
03:03:48.000And starting from that point, we'd just be in a better place.
03:03:52.000Now, I'm not saying we should do that.
03:03:54.000I'm just saying that you can't know that starting now is the smart thing.
03:03:58.000Because like my solar panels, the technology is changing so fast that waiting a little bit until you really can get some purchase with some good technology and just go balls to the wall and say, all right, fucking $500 billion we're going to spend now because we got the solution.
03:04:14.000Maybe this is a convenient way that you're interfacing with the software simulation that we're all trapped in.
03:04:20.000You're choosing to take this path of success based on technological progression rather than based on taking care of Mother Earth.
03:04:30.000Well, doesn't every model assume that everything stays the same and there's just more of it, right?
03:04:38.000So here's one thing I can guarantee your climate change model does not include.
03:05:14.000I've seen some amazing things in headlines recently, but I never trust any of them.
03:05:19.000It totally makes sense that if we can clean air in your house, like, you know, we have that right behind you right there for when people smoke cigarettes.
03:05:50.000So the point is, if you started now and spent $500 billion, you might get a billion dollars worth of benefit because you don't have the right technology.
03:06:28.000Well, I think Trump is trying to have it both ways.
03:06:32.000You know, he's got people he needs to satisfy on the right, but he doesn't want to be a crazy man on the left.
03:06:36.000So he has to find some story that both people can find some comfort in, because this is, you know, such a big issue.
03:06:43.000And I think that middle ground is where he's trying, he's sort of A-B testing it now by saying, let's clean the air, you know, clean the water.
03:07:07.000Because you still want your electric car either way.
03:07:10.000It's just a different way to get there.
03:07:12.000You also got to think that whatever byproducts there are in the atmosphere and in the water, all that stuff could probably be used for something.
03:07:21.000I think there's already, at least in the lab, they've made it useful.
03:07:26.000That would be really fascinating if we figured out a way someday to get to a zero-emission state, you know, where everything we use gets recycled, we keep the air pure, and we just figured out a way to be completely efficient.
03:07:40.000And how we burn things, or how we make things, or how we recycle things, and that we all...
03:07:47.000I think what you're saying economically.
03:07:49.000If it becomes economically feasible, it becomes like this big financial boom in taking whatever the particulates and the carbon or whatever it is out of the atmosphere, and you make mass amounts of money from doing that.
03:08:04.000People figure out a way to get really rich doing it.
03:08:07.000Yeah, somebody's got to figure out a way to get rich.