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00:01:33.000Dude, it's really, the whole thing is really bizarre because it just shows you how, like, people have these attachments to a certain species for no reason.
00:01:44.000Like, uh, Steve Rinello talks about it with bears.
00:02:10.000My daughters rescued the bird and then they go to the pet store and buy little pinkies which are these little tiny mice and And they feed them to the hawk.
00:03:08.000And people have loved bears since way, way back before, like, teddy bears and stuff.
00:03:14.000You know, before there was the internet and these different things.
00:03:17.000There's just certain animals that you have this kinship towards and certain, like, sacred animals when you're down in the jungle and different places that always seem to inspire something within mankind.
00:03:27.000Yeah, and I don't know why it is, but I think I just sort of accept it now.
00:03:32.000Like, I don't feel the same way about bears as I do about deer.
00:03:35.000Like, I think deer are wild and they're cool and I love that they exist, but I have a much more predatory feeling around them than I do around bears.
00:05:02.000At the end of the day, if you see how they behave, especially about grizzly bears that I got out of that Grizzly Man movie, is they're so almost robotic in their predatory drive, in their drive to survive, their survival drive.
00:05:17.000They're just moving around looking for stuff to eat all the time.
00:05:22.000You have to eat so much when you're that big.
00:05:26.000But the advantage is instead of hiding all of the food that you need for the winter like a squirrel, you eat and eat and eat and nobody's going to take your food from you because it's your fat.
00:05:47.000It's so fascinating when you see all the different methods that nature's figured out to sort of overcome the obstacles that the environment can throw at you.
00:07:25.000Because somebody who's posted a video, some guy posted a video, like an animated gif file of the flat, he was a flat earth guy, and it was just the earth, like a flat plane.
00:07:34.000It wasn't even high resolution, it was like low resolution, it was flat, and he was like, show me again the curvature.
00:07:48.000Well, I think that whole, people just want to get a leg up, you know, in everything you're doing, you're just trying to edge someone out.
00:07:55.000So if you can believe in flat earth and it actually is flat earth, you got a little bit of leg up on everybody else who thinks this shit's a globe, right?
00:08:04.000So they're willing to take that gambit.
00:08:06.000They're willing to place that bet like, fuck it, man, I'm going in on flat earth because if I'm right, then I can say fuck you to everybody else just a little bit.
00:08:58.000So they would find them on these videos.
00:09:01.000Like, oh my god, we didn't even notice this at the time.
00:09:04.000And they decided that there was these gigantic things that could be, you know, who knows how many feet long, and they're like jellyfish, and they fly through the air at like fucking light speed.
00:11:03.000Wouldn't it be amazing if you could find balls of light around you, little organisms or life forms, and if you were more loving, they surrounded you, and you just had to take a picture of people and tell whether or not, oh my god, it's This dude's awesome.
00:11:55.000I mean, it's kind of like once you've done enough ayahuasca and done enough DMT, though, then you open yourself up to the possibility that there are things potentially outside of our ability to perceive them.
00:12:53.000That's the weird thing about real, right?
00:12:56.000It's like when you go see something with such a vivid imagination, especially in the psychedelic space, you see something and then there's that debate.
00:13:07.000And then if enough people have seen it or enough people believe in it, like dragons, for example, are they real or not?
00:13:15.000Well, they're clearly not in the 3D space, but everybody knows and has emotional reactions to this one being and they come to you in vision.
00:13:26.000You know, like, is it the collection of an idea in your brain, all of the lights gathering around that you can share and reproduce, and then that thing comes through like an archetype into your brain?
00:14:58.000Who knows how many things existed that we just haven't found yet.
00:15:02.000It's entirely possible that some weird fucking lizard existed at some part of the world and people could see it.
00:15:09.000You know, some weird snake thing that walked.
00:15:12.000And then the legend spread of that, and then people saw a bunch of different giant lizards.
00:15:17.000Like, if you saw a Komodo dragon, if you were just wandering through the jungle and you saw a full-size Komodo dragon and it had its mouth open, you would for sure think you were in the presence of a demon.
00:15:26.000If you ran away from that, right, no cameras, right?
00:16:51.000Our soft bodies, you know, all of this brain activity that we have, so much of it you have to credit towards avoiding that exact fucking monster.
00:17:58.000Yeah, the depressing part of that whole cataclysm particularly is we got all these fucking nuclear reactors everywhere.
00:18:06.000So like one goes off and then those things get all disrupted and then the nuclear radiation is the big issue that you have to worry about, right?
00:18:13.000Do you see what they did to Chernobyl?
00:18:15.000They created a dome that's two football fields long.
00:18:55.000Yeah, I think, I mean, the key is we got to elevate consciousness to a point where we're actually looking at these situations and being able, and I think that's the point that Graham and Randall make, and I couldn't agree more.
00:19:05.000Like, people have to be at a level where we can actually do something about that instead of fighting with each other.
00:22:02.000I was just at that age, you know, where you have all the testosterone brewing, but the frustration because you're little and you couldn't beat anybody up.
00:24:44.000And I think one of the most brilliant parts of Jordan Peterson's podcast yesterday was that he identified in his mind, and I tend to agree with him, that one of the reasons why things are getting so squirrely is we've removed the metaphysical underpinnings behind our understandings of everything.
00:24:58.000And so, like all of this social justice and all these pronouns, I think a lot of that is that we've removed the metaphysical understanding of self.
00:25:08.000And so if you really don't understand who your self is, then you really can't have self-love, self-worth, self-confidence, because it's all built on something else.
00:25:17.000And that surrogate for self that they create is identity.
00:25:21.000Who you are, what pronoun you are, what tribe you identify with, what you do, what your race is, and then all of these parts of identity, which really have absolutely nothing to do with self in the metaphysical sense.
00:25:58.000The stuff that he was saying about religion About the need for this understanding of good and evil and how it plays out and to stay on that balance of good and evil and to live, you know, what he was talking about, a true life.
00:26:14.000Really fascinating because it was one of those things where he's thinking at an extremely high level.
00:26:20.000And so when you're following him, you have to be sure, am I following him?
00:26:24.000Am I really getting what he's saying here?
00:26:26.000You know, because he's talking about Being someone who hates ideologies, but he's a very religious man.
00:26:34.000I think really the most confusing part of what he was saying was the use of the word religion.
00:26:39.000Because a little bit like Daniele in his book, Create Your Own Religion, he's clearly created his variation of religion that allows him to use that word.
00:26:48.000But for most people, the colloquial understanding of religion is much, much different.
00:27:12.000And that they've been a part of our life for so long that this recent jettison That our society has taken away from it.
00:27:20.000You know, we've sort of launched ourselves away and become more and more cynical about our roots and our understanding of who we are in this world and like what is important and what is bullshit.
00:27:40.000One of the things that I think people really do really well with is structure.
00:27:44.000And when people don't have a structure, like a reason to behave in an ethical and kind way, or a better to strive for, they struggle without a structure.
00:28:14.000Well, when you look deeper and deeper, it's nothing but the embodied consciousness, the consciousness within us.
00:28:22.000And then when you understand that you're consciousness, then you can ditch all of these other things that you're trying to pile on top of and make it so important, like all of these identity things.
00:28:31.000But you have to get to, at least where my metaphysical understanding is, that The self is consciousness embodied in this awesome meat vehicle we get to play around with and experience life and interact with each other and taste things and fight things and fuck things.
00:29:21.000And I've kind of gone mostly through that experience route with the different plant medicines and things.
00:29:26.000And you arrive at these different truths and that idea that you reconcile the darkness within you, that thing inside yourself that is inherently has all the capacity for evil.
00:29:37.000That was brought to me in a psychedelic experience where I was going in and I realized that I myself It was all the darkness and all the light.
00:29:47.000I was good and bad, arrayed on a spectrum, and was capable of doing every good thing and every bad thing.
00:29:54.000And it was the most horrifying experience I've ever had.
00:29:57.000Like, recognizing that I was all of those things, but the only thing that decided who I was was choice.
00:30:06.000But you had to first reconcile the capability of being everything before you can layer on that element of Alright, I am everything, but I choose to be this.
00:31:11.000And we're on this boat, and this guy, Steve, who's on the boat with me, who's one of the guys working on the boat, told me that they had a run-in with these false killer whales where they were pulling in these 50-pound tunas and this fucking gigantic 20-foot-long thing.
00:33:31.000I mean, they figured out that if your line is taut, the fish ain't moving anywhere, it's fighting, it's trying to go this way, the drag, the reel, that's, like, easy one to get.
00:33:39.000Yeah, and you never hook those animals, too.
00:34:11.000But the guy said that they had to pull one in.
00:34:14.000I forget what the circumstances were, but it got foul hooked, and they had to pull it in and release the hook and be really careful with it.
00:34:23.000Going back to what you were saying, though, about the self being this collection of cells, I think that's really kind of interesting because the self is so many different cells that are kind of sending competing signals to the brain, all of them trying to...
00:34:37.000Almost vie for their own survival and then the brain puts out like a prime directive of what the things that are best for that but now that we're understanding so much of our gut biome and how much that contributes to the self it contributes you know neurotransmitter production immune cell production but every time we shit we drop a bunch of that gut biome into the toilet I mean it's it's going to feed on the on the feces and then we drop it in there so it's like our self is changing You know,
00:35:05.000every time we take a dump, like that collection of things that we call self, which are some pathogenic organisms, some helpful organisms, some skin cells, all of it's contributing to self, all of it's contributing messages to the brain, and it's changing it all the time.
00:35:20.000And I think that's why people, when they go looking for the self, it's so squirrely, because...
00:35:27.000You're a different self when you're angry or happy or mad or in love as when you're inspired or after a workout, you're a different self than when you start.
00:35:34.000We're just this amalgamation, but it's almost an ideology of self to call it one thing and to call it, oh, this is me.
00:37:13.000And then it lifted like a fog, just like when the clouds move and the sun pierces through.
00:37:17.000And I was like, what the hell was that?
00:37:19.000So that self is a slightly different self than the self that came after it, the self that's here now, the self on a cup of coffee versus that.
00:37:31.000We try to oversimplify that when really we're so much more than what we are.
00:37:40.000I think it really doesn't make a lot of sense.
00:37:42.000There's got to be some techniques to making yourself more positive all the time.
00:37:48.000I think that's one of the things about the Wim Hof breathing that I really like is that when you're doing any kind of breathing exercise, I think any, like even the beginning of Bikram yoga, when you do that crazy breathing, when you breathe, and then your neck goes back.
00:38:02.000I think what that really makes you do is concentrate on the moment and it releases excess tension to the point where you have a better ability to be yourself.
00:38:15.000I think there's a lot of burdens that we don't recognize that cling to us, and we're carrying them around, and we don't realize it until we get them free, and then we go, oh, I needed to go run.
00:38:26.000Sometimes you just go, oh, I just needed a lift.
00:38:31.000The same world exists, but 45 minutes of rigorous exercise, and you don't give a fuck about it anymore.
00:38:37.000And this thing that was this overwhelming moment in your life, like, it's all a matter of perspective.
00:38:45.000And the best perspective that I find is when I can tap into that consciousness element, what you can call it, people call it your higher self, whatever, there's a billion names for it, but it's the best version of yourself.
00:38:58.000Like, who you are at your very, very best when you're filled with the most love and the most peace and the most, like, inner just contentment and satisfaction.
00:39:14.000Breathing, flotation, you know, nature, flow state, all of these ways are ways to tap into that best self, which is usually, you know, anchored in the present moment and is you at your very best.
00:39:25.000And from that vantage point, you see the obstacles laid out in front of you and maybe they don't go away, but maybe you can look at them, you know, as you should, like an advantage, an opportunity to grow stronger, you know?
00:40:26.000If you looked at the number of victims versus the number of people that benefited from it, him, you'd go, wow, what a complex situation this is.
00:40:34.000You have this monster who also is doing amazing work.
00:40:51.000Upstanding PhD guy I think in a lot of ways that's the same way about Religion like if it wasn't for religion and I'm not an advocate of religion Currently like to use it currently in the same form that everybody's using it But I'm just saying if you looked at like humankind as a whole if it wasn't for Believing that we had these crazy rules then we had to do good Otherwise the deity would come and strike us down if it wasn't like the fear literal literal fear of God That kept people from just raping and
00:41:21.000pillaging and doing whatever the fuck they wanted to.
00:41:23.000Who knows how much longer it would have taken us to get to the place where you can fight over gender pronouns.
00:41:35.000We weren't around the people 3,000 years ago.
00:41:38.000We don't know what they would have done without the threat and that fear of God because there was no DNA evidence.
00:41:44.000There was no inspectors and detectives.
00:41:47.000So maybe it was necessary, but clearly now the dogma that's surrounding it is an impediment to our happiness, an impediment to the better truths that are going to hopefully make this world a more positive place for everybody.
00:42:00.000Well, I think you nailed it when you said like a program.
00:42:04.000Because I think that's really what it is.
00:42:05.000It's almost like a program that human beings Sort of manifested to travel to the next stage of development.
00:42:15.000Like, look, we're just not going to get here tooth, fang, and claw.
00:44:41.000Imagine if there was a heaven and we were just talking shit.
00:44:43.000Imagine if like one day the space shuttle takes the wrong turn and it's on its way up into orbit and it just pops through this little hole and like, oh shit.
00:45:00.000You know, I think it's just people have made that wrong turn, like Jordan Peterson was saying, of taking these things as literal when they should be metaphysical.
00:45:08.000Like, we all have the ability to create heaven and hell in our own life, which is a point he eloquently made.
00:45:13.000And then, you know, when we are pure consciousness, what I've experienced, at least, from all these psychedelic experiences, when the body disappears and becomes less prominent in your thinking, you are...
00:45:26.000What's seemingly just pure consciousness.
00:45:28.000You know, there's also that opportunity there for heaven to embrace all of the love.
00:45:32.000And then there's also the opportunity to look back on your life like, what the fuck?
00:45:36.000You know, I made these choices that hurt these people.
00:45:42.000Hell, you know, so hell and heaven is again, you know, as above, so below.
00:45:46.000It's just a mental state, you know, and that could be the same, very same mental state that we go across.
00:45:52.000But instead, we tried to make it concrete.
00:45:54.000We tried to, you know, Salvador Bosch, you know, tried to create all of these horrible things of things biting you and burning you and viscerating your genitals and prying you apart.
00:46:04.000When all of that is really a metaphor for what's happening in your mind, you know, not an actual place.
00:46:13.000How does Dick Cheney go to sleep without pills?
00:46:16.000What kind of dreams does that guy have?
00:46:20.000And what happens when he's liberated from all of the rationalizations?
00:46:26.000You know, like, when all of those things disappear, like, you know, you get in the float tank, and you see all these things that have allowed you to think a certain way, and then you go floating, and then all of those structures go apart, and you look at that thing you did and go, huh, was that cool?
00:46:42.000You know, like, because, but he's never had that moment.
00:46:45.000He's never stopped the hamster wheel long enough to get still to be able to look at his life from his higher self and be like, whoa, what am I doing?
00:46:53.000Look at all the software viruses that my open source consciousness has picked up along the way.
00:46:59.000These different fears, these different greeds, these lusts for power, these different things that have created this thing that's never stopped and the momentum's never gotten quiet enough for them to really analyze it.
00:47:09.000Dude, they kept that guy alive with somebody else's heart.
00:47:13.000They cut him open and put another dude's heart inside of him.
00:47:26.000They can replace your lungs with someone else's lungs.
00:47:29.000I think that's all helpful to thinking about it because the more we lose that attachment to this body as being like anything but the machine, the machine that's going to allow us to experience consciousness in the physical form, I think when we really look at that,
00:47:45.000then that's going to be a helpful kind of metaphysical underpinning.
00:47:48.000So we're not so caught up in these elements that are causing us so much discomfort and suffering.
00:48:45.000You upgrade the hardware and then we just got to make sure that we're upgrading the software and eliminating the viruses, running those system checks to get all of these bad programs out of our head, get the better metaphysical truth programs like the Platinum Rule.
00:49:01.000Everybody is you living a different life.
00:49:48.000And I'm like, if I was a pilgrim, if you went back in a time machine, you grabbed a pilgrim, and you dragged them to 2016, and you said, what are you seeing?
00:50:44.000If you saw that and you had no idea what the fuck a television was or a phone, you were just a person from another time period, and you said, what do you think's going on?
00:50:52.000Like, well, these fucking people are under a spell.
00:50:55.000Like, it's giving them something, yeah, but that's what a spell is.
00:50:59.000I mean, when the fucking, when the hypnotic dancer dances in front of you, and then all of a sudden you don't even know where you are anymore, it's because you're looking at something cool.
00:51:06.000You're at the strip club when that happens, by the way.
00:51:16.000You're seeing something amazing, and that amazing thing is making you want more of it, so you're spending more money to get a better computer, to make better explosions on the bigger screen that has the better sound, and it keeps going deeper and deeper,
00:51:32.000and every fucking new phone has some new way to get you excited, and you're staring at the newest and best screen, and you're just locked into this sort of hypnotic trance, Of technology.
00:51:45.000Oh, it allows you to Bluetooth with your navigation system.
00:52:00.000I think what's interesting to me is I think we're in this intermediary stage where we're watching this rapid advancement and things are getting more and more interesting.
00:52:11.000But I think there's going to be a tipping point where technology is so ubiquitous that we'll actually...
00:52:18.000It'll kind of settle into our lives in a better way.
00:52:21.000And maybe some people will get completely lost.
00:52:22.000But I think a lot of us are already reaching that point where it's almost too much.
00:52:26.000And it's forcing us to make our own boundaries.
00:53:32.000I mean, I was in this, like, Thunderdome.
00:53:35.000They rebuilt the Thunderdome, basically, and they had people on bungee cords, and two topless chicks were smashing into each other on bungee cords, beating each other with foam sabers as, like, house music played behind, and a fucking fire-breathing dragon car, like, rode by breathing fire.
00:53:55.000But after you've been there for a while, you realize the times that you enjoy the most are getting high with your homies in the RV. That's the absolute best time you have at Burning Man, and those just laughing and hanging, drinking a beer in the RV. Don't you think that's enhanced,
00:54:12.000though, by the chaotic environment and the fact that you have this crazy feeling like, wow, we're here.
00:54:33.000The most special shit is the simple shit.
00:54:35.000So you can take all this technology, it does all this awesome stuff, but it's never going to beat that hike or that time you're hanging and playing with your kids or that time you went fishing or that time.
00:55:00.000To truly appreciate the wonders of the natural world is to be engaged in it separate of the electronic world.
00:55:08.000If you're on some crazy hike, but you're also staring at your phone the entire time you're walking, you're just not going to get the whole feeling.
00:55:16.000If you're hiking in Yosemite and some of those incredible views and vistas and you're traveling around this amazing nature, you're not going to really take that in if you're looking at your phone all the time.
00:55:28.000Or thinking about what picture you're going to take.
00:56:15.000I mean, even before there was these phones and selfies, there was paintings, and then there was just your appearance in general, so people would get seduced by their reflection in the mirror and looking pretty.
00:56:28.000All the way back, maybe even before there was mirrors, there was that time in the brook, and that's where you get the myth of Narcissus, who just couldn't stop looking at his reflection in the waters of the stream.
00:56:41.000And that was like the original point of, you start looking at yourself not as self, separating yourself from self, you'll never be in the present moment.
00:56:49.000You'll always be looking at yourself, judging yourself, and that's a game you can never fucking win.
00:59:56.000It's just weird to think that they were struggling between, I guess, a big dick represented virility, which represented conquest, which represented war, which represented strife, like all those big dick dudes just coming over the mountains,
01:00:12.000fucking big shaggy beards, swinging swords and shit.
01:00:59.000Bright white like toothpaste just catches the moonlight and glows boom shoots out looks like bones like liquid bones coming out of his dick you could You can't have that guy around with his big dick.
01:01:20.000You need little dudes with six-packs that look like they could go gay at any moment in time.
01:02:24.000There was the momentum of fucking kids.
01:02:26.000If you're a kid and you get fucked by a dude, I think there's got to be a correlation there between having the desire to do the same thing.
01:02:35.000If your dad beats you, then you want to beat when you're a dad.
01:02:39.000It's the same kind of ingrained thing, and I think they just got this momentum of kid fucking, and then that probably contributed, along with just the open-mindedness and not being homophobic.
01:02:50.000Actually, they sometimes were homophobic against the people who would receive the dick, but the people who were supplying the dick, it was like prison rules.
01:03:06.000Yeah, you just try to get rid of loads.
01:03:08.000You know, and that was like one thing that if you look at some of the graffiti when Caesar was taking over power, like some of the graffiti was calling him like the catcher.
01:05:11.000We're here to soak in as much pleasure, laughter, feel all the things that you can fucking feel to your body, hit all of the pleasure buttons.
01:05:20.000Why would you have a pleasure button and not push it?
01:05:27.000Let's go through and finish this existence in the material form saying like, man, you don't want to have that button.
01:05:34.000You're like, man, I heard that button was awesome, but I just never pushed it because I was afraid and religion said this thing and blah, blah, blah.
01:05:40.000Like, fucking push the pleasure buttons.
01:05:53.000We still have the echoes of the Puritans that landed here and sort of tried to reestablish what's really similar to a lot of other crazy religious ideologies views on sex, like really rigid, restrictive sex practices.
01:07:04.000There's just so much, there's so much to the restriction on sex that I think also has to do with our worrying about people not being able to handle hard times if they come again.
01:07:14.000Like there's a lot of people I think in this world, whether they're preppers, whether they're people that are just concerned about the future of the world, they're really worried that people are losing, and ironically, it's funny because the people that would be more restrictive when it comes to sex are usually the right-wingers, but the right-wingers are least concerned about environmental damage.
01:07:31.000They're more concerned about Fiscal profits like currently and then the left wing Would be much more concerned with environmental but much less restrictive when it comes to sexuality Like the the idea that you could just run around having sex with whoever you want and just Experiencing pleasure and not committing to people and having a good time and smoking a little pot and drinking and dancing and just enjoying life That's not good for commerce,
01:08:01.000That's not good and so If you want people to embrace the same sort of level of materialism that you're gonna need to make your bottom line go up every year, you gotta stop these fucking hippies and their goddamn fucking dance out in the desert.
01:09:28.000If you're some fucking wild person, you could just, if you're a girl especially, god damn, you could travel from place to place and give it away and just get dick anywhere you want, right?
01:10:54.000The stomach feels funny, and you want to puke, and you want to fight him, and you want to stab him in the throat for touching your girl's vagina.
01:11:03.000And you just think how wet she probably was.
01:11:05.000She couldn't believe how naughty this was.
01:11:07.000She was probably leaking down the side of her legs.
01:11:49.000They came close to that in the 60s for a while.
01:11:52.000You know, I mean, you think about the difference between the 50s and the 60s.
01:11:54.000Think about, like, the people in the 50s were, like, locked down, watching Hawaii Five-0 and shit.
01:11:59.000Well, actually, that was probably the 60s.
01:12:01.000Dragnet, that's what I was trying to think of.
01:12:02.000Did you ever see the Dragnet thing, where Dragnet guy, Joe Friday, was talking to some fucking hippie, some goddamn hippie, and he's explaining to the hippie, How easy they have it and how lucky they should feel living in America today with all the people that have sacrificed so much to allow them to dress like silly people.
01:12:22.000And it's so hilarious because it sounds like a person to...
01:12:59.000First of all, Joe Friday's in a perfect, uh, I'm a fucking strictly business suit.
01:13:03.000And the dudes who he's talking down to look like they're the dudes in the back of the Jimi Hendrix band that nobody can tell you their name.
01:13:13.000I mean, there's like Jimi Hendrix and the dudes he was with.
01:13:15.000And I'm sure if you're a fucking heavy-duty music head, you're mad at me right now.
01:14:01.000I think the lines are being blurred, though, between really hardcore, no-nonsense people, like a Joe Friday-type character.
01:14:14.000The hippies those lines are getting like there's a lot of people that like go in weird Slots like how that guy get in that.
01:14:20.000Oh, he's in a weird spot like he's kind of both of those things There's a lot of those people now that you can't really lock them down You can't say this is a right-wing person or a left-wing person.
01:14:28.000There's a no-nonsense Discipline get-to-work person and this is a pothead and this is a guy likes to do mushrooms And this is a guy who gets up in the morning and runs.
01:14:37.000They might be the same dude now There's a lot of crossover between people who are very disciplined, hard workers, but also experience pleasure and also understand that we are a temporary life form hurling through infinity.
01:14:52.000Wake the fuck up and just have fun and enjoy this, because this is madness.
01:14:56.000And it could very well be over at the blink of an eye.
01:15:00.000A fucking giant rock the size of Pittsburgh can come flying out of the north and no one catches it until it's too late and it slams into the fucking polar ice cap and we're diggity diggity done.
01:15:20.000The only thing that's keeping us from engaging in all of these other forms we want to is this clinging to identity in these fear programs.
01:15:30.000We ditch all that, then you just get wide open for everything else.
01:15:33.000And it's not a new idea, like the idea of the warrior poet, the idea back then of someone who could go to battle, and like Musashi, who could...
01:15:41.000Be the best swordsman and also be the best calligrapher and also a writer and also meditate and also, you know, have affairs and also do whatever, like passionate love affair, all of the things.
01:15:51.000Like, at a certain point, people realize like, oh yeah, all the things is best.
01:15:55.000And then at a certain point now in our culture, or at least getting to here, it was like you have to identify with this one thing.
01:16:10.000When I was I think I was In my teens when I read the book of five rings the first time What I realized is he was explaining this concept that was totally alien to me at the time as like an insecure teenager He was explaining this concept of To be balanced at anything,
01:16:29.000to be at your best at anything, you have to have no loose ends.
01:16:33.000You have to be loving, you have to be kind, you have to be an artist, you have to be creative, but you also have to be ruthless with your sword technique, and you have to be ruthless with your psychology and how you engage with your enemy.
01:16:47.000I mean, he was a fascinating, fascinating guy.
01:16:50.000He got bored fighting people with swords, so he started using ores.
01:17:54.000He was the guy that figured it out in a very strange time in Japanese history where he was a ronin just traveling around fucking killing people.
01:18:05.000I think some of these times, when you look back, some of the philosophies that developed are even more advanced than ours because when you have a strong external pressure, like the likelihood of a sword battle to the death, that forms this point of resistance where you've got to cut out a lot of the bullshit.
01:19:07.000You're, like, lifting weights on the moon, and no matter what you try to do, you can't get a fucking squat right, because there's no gravity.
01:19:44.000I think we're just experiencing like the safest time ever, you know, and we're sort of trying to find demons that don't exist instead of concentrating on the ones that do.
01:19:54.000And that's to me, I think, you know, I mentioned a couple times that do, you know, if you're interested and want to tell that story, but about the time I did ayahuasca, because these plant medicines are that form of resistance.
01:20:29.000I wonder with California, With this latest recreational marijuana law passed, I wonder how long it'll be before someone tries to do some sort of a psychedelic clinic, whether it's for addiction to opiates,
01:20:45.000like an iboga, ibogaine clinic, or this kratom stuff, you know this shit?
01:21:22.000Clearly, I don't think there's any reason for it to be illegal.
01:21:25.000I haven't found personally a ton of value from it.
01:21:28.000I find value in some other things, but...
01:21:30.000The only thing I found disturbing is that I was getting a bunch of text messages from people, or tweets rather, from people that were telling me that they had some addictive experiences with it.
01:21:58.000But if you're buying it from a dealer, which is essentially what a lot of people had to do for a long time, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting.
01:22:06.000Yeah, it's coming from Indonesia or wherever it's from.
01:22:09.000I would like to see some real tests done.
01:22:18.000Once you open the doors to that scientific method with these plants...
01:22:23.000You find amazing results, and I think that's what we're seeing in this revolution of understanding of psychedelics.
01:22:28.000Like, I just read and tweeted about a study on both psilocybin and MDMA for, like, social angst and social anxiety, you know, which are one of the things, like, you think of the classic school shooter syndrome, you know, it's this feeling of being excluded from your tribe, excluded from the social situation and the angst and anxiety and all of the medications that are prescribed for these different feelings of feeling like you're not part of the group.
01:23:24.000And so they tapped into some, and they would test that at baseline as placebo, right?
01:23:28.000The angst and the kind of concern of like, man, what's wrong with me?
01:23:31.000Why do these people not want to give you the ball?
01:23:33.000And then they tested a baseline for placebo, gave them whatever placebo they were using.
01:23:37.000And then they tested it with psilocybin.
01:23:39.000And what they found with psilocybin was that it dramatically reduced their amount of anxiety, their angst, their stress about not giving the ball.
01:23:48.000They were just looking at them like, man, look at these people.
01:23:50.000They just don't want to pass me the ball.
01:24:28.000I just found the only trip that I did, I was like, this is really, you can learn something from this.
01:24:33.000Well, it's also, you know, like mescaline, which comes in both Wachuma, the San Pedro cactus, and peyote, is also a serotonergic kind of psychedelic.
01:24:45.000Yeah, I mean, MDMA is, you know, like a more pharmaceutical approach to elevating serotonin and that feeling that is associated with serotonin in your body, whereas, you know, the mescaline-derived psychedelics I think that's great for a situation like MAPS is testing with PTSD and certain other kinds of situations because it's very reproducible.
01:25:14.000It's very like clinical reaction of what's going to happen in the brain.
01:25:18.000Whereas something like Wachuma It gives you this overwhelming experience, but it's woven in with all kinds of other different things.
01:25:26.000I think the problem really wholly resides in the fact that these drugs are illegal.
01:25:29.000Because if they weren't illegal, we would look at them as like, wow, this might be solutions for people suffering from PTSD, from this, from that.
01:25:39.000And also, it kind of gives your brain a chance to almost detach, like a lens that detaches from the camera, get a look at the inner workings of the thing, and then before you put it back on, you kind of get a better understanding of it.
01:25:52.000There's a detachment that MDMA has from some of the nonsense you've carried around with you, like clothes, that you've just worn it your whole life.
01:26:02.000You don't realize it's bullshit until you take something that makes you go, like, this is all so ridiculous.
01:26:08.000Well, what I think, you know, talking to the psychologists and psychiatrists of why it's so beneficial is we all carry a lot of trauma.
01:26:14.000We all carry these things from our past that are these stories.
01:26:19.000I keep talking about the Jordan Peterson podcast, but he talked about that self-authoring program, which is rewriting these stories.
01:26:24.000Well, he was talking about actually writing it.
01:26:26.000But what MDMA is doing for people with PTSD and with anybody is it's going back and looking at all of these traumatic things in our history, in our past, which is also one of the things that in the studies that they're showing, they have a psychologist, psychiatrist, who's guiding people back to these potential traumatic events.
01:26:44.000But when you're flooded with serotonin, you see things in a totally different perspective.
01:26:48.000You see things from the vantage point of love and it's all good.
01:26:52.000So no matter what, you know, situation came about, you'll see that kind of higher perspective rather than that fear response, that kind of cringing that creates more fear and more trauma.
01:27:02.000You look at it and you're able to relax, see it and say, man, that was pretty horrible.
01:27:10.000And you re-pattern that traumatic experience.
01:27:14.000So when you go to draw that back up from your past, you're drawing up a different recategorized experience.
01:27:20.000You're rewriting the software that's always rewritable, like those rewritable floppy disks.
01:27:26.000You take that thing out, you rewrite it with a whole different hue of your neurochemicals and the feelings that are surrounding it.
01:27:33.000And then when you access it again, or when it's just carrying around in your We're good to go.
01:27:56.000Well, hey, that's actually what made you so ambitious and so strong.
01:27:59.000And this traumatic thing that you thought was so horrible, it actually brought out all these other benefits.
01:28:04.000And it was actually, you know, if you really see from the person who, the perpetrator's perspective, you know, look at all the sadness that created that.
01:28:12.000So you re-pattern that traumatic event, and then it's not carrying that same dramatic, terrible weight, that lifeless body that you're trying to carry around.
01:28:40.000I mean it might be a Microscopic shift of the dial like if you had a safe and you were click click click click It might be like one click click like after a psychedelic experience and then you might have another psychedelic experience You might get a double click click click, you know, but it's very small movements, right?
01:28:55.000But ultimately you're a different person.
01:28:57.000So if it's a small movement that New experience has given you a chance to sort of mock the things that were threatening you just momentarily.
01:29:41.000As soon as they open the doors to clinical research, it's an undeniable force.
01:29:46.000You cannot deny the evidence that's coming back from the MAPS phase 2 clinical trials.
01:29:51.000You cannot deny the evidence coming out of Johns Hopkins and these other research institutes about psilocybin.
01:29:57.000They are helping people with conditions and you just follow the scientific method all the way through and all the plants are going to arrive.
01:30:32.000And as long as we can be aware, and as long as we verbalize that, we say it all the time, this is a unique and special time.
01:30:41.000Let's capitalize on this unique and special time.
01:30:43.000Let's use this unique and special time to establish a new understanding for this generation and to set things up way better for the next generation.
01:30:53.000Dude, my parents, I'm older than you, my parents were essentially raised by barbarians.
01:31:25.000They're just crazy people scratching and clawing.
01:31:28.000Their understanding of life during the Ed Sullivan Show, their understanding of what the world was really all about, is so far removed from the average 20-year-old with an internet account who can go on YouTube.
01:31:40.000As long as he stays away from those Flat Earth videos, he's gonna have a real good understanding of how this motherfucker works, and a way better understanding than any grown adult with children did in the 1950s, when my parents were kids.
01:31:55.000So I think that we have this unique opportunity to set up the future of society where all of this silliness that we still have to deal with, like the WikiLeaks email that came out about Hillary Clinton that said that she opposes marijuana, quote, in every sense of the word.
01:32:44.000Look how many people were burned for their sexual practices at the stake, literally.
01:32:48.000Like, you can ban absolutely everything.
01:32:51.000There's laws on the books that are throwing people in jail for homosexuality that'll flare up still now.
01:32:56.000Like, in different places of the world where they'll kill people for sex.
01:33:00.000So, it's not that that hasn't even been tried.
01:33:03.000The ability, the monstrous nature of humans to be able to impose those restrictions on people, the sovereignty of their own consciousness and their own body.
01:33:44.000There was a story that was out just a couple days ago about some woman in Indonesia that received 100 lashes for being around a man, being too close to a man.
01:33:52.000There was a bunch of people that were publicly flogged for sex crimes, but there were sex crimes as innocuous as a woman was too close to a man.
01:34:01.000Like, they gave her like 90 lashes or some crazy shit.
01:34:04.000And all the little boners underneath the fucking robes from the people who were lashing the woman.
01:34:10.000Student gets a hundred lashes for sex outside marriage in Indonesia.
01:34:13.000So he got a hundred lashes and there was another one about a woman.
01:34:15.000That dude looks just like It's like the male dudes in that fucking sex BDSM dungeon porn from San Francisco where they took that old prison out and they all fucking dressed like that and locking people up.
01:35:00.000The 32-year-old male who was with her was also flagged seven times.
01:35:04.000It's not the man and the woman were both flagged seven times each.
01:35:08.000It's like the woman, har upon har, this beautiful young woman was flogged because she had sex with a man, or because she was close to a man.
01:35:15.000The dude was flogged too, but fuck him.
01:35:56.000Jamie doesn't know how to do the internet.
01:35:59.000Okay, a man found guilty of sex outside the marriage was also flogged at least 22 times by the person delivering the punishment who was dressed in long robes and a hood.
01:36:10.000His partner, who is two months pregnant, is still waiting for her fate to be decided.
01:36:15.000Wow, she's pregnant and they're going to decide her fate.
01:37:29.000Like the absolute antithesis of the Jesus message when you really look at it mystically, like from the metaphysical truths of what he's espousing.
01:37:39.000And then somehow they go from that to that.
01:37:41.000And I think it's again, it's like that incremental creep.
01:37:45.000Towards a little bit harsher punishments, a little bit more sadistic.
01:37:49.000And you get more and more and more, and you start feeding that urge for sadism, that urge to not only punish somebody, but to do it in the most horrifying way.
01:38:10.000They had these students, and these college students at Stanford, they put them through this experiment where some of them were guards and some of them were prisoners, and the guards almost immediately started abusing the prisoners.
01:38:29.000Yeah, and I think, you know, the problem is that we all try to bury these thoughts, these darker thoughts that we have.
01:38:37.000You know, like all of us inside of us, you look at times of war and, you know, whole armies that would go, part of why they would go on these contrasts was for rape.
01:38:49.000Like, man, I would never be capable of doing anything, hurting anybody else.
01:38:53.000But inside our genetics, inside the things that was passed along our lineage, were warrior cultures that probably produced our fucking ancestors through rape.
01:39:01.000That's part of every individual, these dark thoughts.
01:39:05.000It feels somehow good to hurt somebody else.
01:39:08.000And the fact that we deny those entirely, they become monsters.
01:39:12.000Whereas if you just acknowledge and like...
01:39:14.000Look at them and say, man, I'm all the bad stuff.
01:39:20.000You know, what do I want to put out in the world?
01:39:23.000And I think that's a really important, important facet to recognize that, you know, we're all we're all fucked up, you know, but it's our choice that decides, you know, who we really are and what we want to bring into the world.
01:39:34.000Are we going to make this amazing video game a better place, a better game?
01:39:38.000Are we going to make it miserable for everybody we encounter?
01:39:52.000I wonder if that's some sort of a survival mechanism where you're able to do horrific shit as long as everybody around you is doing horrific shit.
01:39:59.000All of a sudden, the collective mindset shifts.
01:40:04.000Like if people are coming over the fence and y'all have axes and you're coming at them, you're doing things you would never do on a daily basis.
01:40:10.000You're hacking off arms and attacking people.
01:40:49.000You could probably look at like Steve, someone like Steven Kotler can probably tell you more about the, you know, the adrenaline and neurochemical response that's creating this version of yourself that's like supercharged on these certain things.
01:41:01.000So your empathy, you know, your empathy ratings go way down.
01:41:05.000It's like you're looking at the Westworld control board, right?
01:41:07.000And it's like empathy ratings way down, aggression way up, like all of these different neurochemicals that are changing, like literally changing yourself.
01:41:16.000Into something that is much more favorable for those actions, right?
01:41:21.000You know, yeah, but it creates a collective mindset It's like the individual because like what's one of the things you hear all the time about war is the really noble heroic warriors who sacrifice themselves to save others like it's one of the main Themes that we love hearing about like the guy who dives on the grenade to save his people to save the guys who are around him like that is something that happens in that crazy That crazy environment of that intensity of life.
01:41:49.000It's one of the weirder things about it, man, is how many people who go through that say it was the best time of their life and they'd love to go back.
01:42:37.000That's probably why he actually started having to fight with oars, because at a certain point with the sword, he probably wasn't even getting the same feeling anymore.
01:42:44.000It probably didn't even feel like a sword battle.
01:42:46.000It was like a sparring match when you know you're going 20% and you're all relaxed and shit, rather than when you're just knowing, like, all right, these people are coming for me.
01:42:55.000It's a different kind of mental state that you get in.
01:42:58.000And maybe, you know, the or thing was like, all right, I'm just not feeling it.
01:51:25.000Imagine going back to a primitive, more tribal culture and explaining how much value you could get for something silly like that.
01:51:35.000There was this watch and I could buy houses and control vast lands and get unlimited food and make people of all varieties do all the things I wanted just from this one little token.
01:53:46.000Doesn't let you get to feel better about yourself.
01:53:49.000So that, you know, I think when you really don't know...
01:53:51.000Again, going back, you don't know the self.
01:53:53.000You want to feel better about yourself by making yourself better than somebody else.
01:53:58.000Because you have no other reference point of what it is.
01:54:00.000So, alright, if I'm better than these other people...
01:54:03.000Whether it's something you have or something you are inherently or the melanin in your skin or whatever the fuck you want to say, if that makes you better than someone else, then you can feel better about yourself.
01:54:20.000But it's all this fucking bullshit game that we try to tell ourselves that comes from the fundamental lack of knowing who we are and knowing that whoever we are is enough and it's all good and we're all the same.
01:54:32.000You say that, but Boris, the guy with that fucking transformer on his wrist who's getting his dick sucked right now while drinking vodka flying in his private jet over the Atlantic, he disagrees with you.
01:54:42.000That girl knows that that's a $250 million watch or whatever the fuck he's wearing.
01:54:48.000She knows he's balling out of control on his private jet.
01:56:39.000He didn't get, like, he got staggered in the sixth round.
01:56:43.000Or in the seventh round, he got staggered.
01:56:45.000But it wasn't to the point where you thought they would end the fight, because he ended the round on his feet, went back to his corner, walked, sat down, was like, fuck this.
01:58:26.000Vanderlei came out and blasted him with the right hand, had him hurt, but he fell into the trap because Lieben punches so fucking hard and he always had an iron chin and he just uncorked one on Vanderlei and Vanderlei went, uh-oh.
01:58:39.000A similar thing happened this weekend, right?
01:59:34.000Dropped one on Brunson and then had Brunson crazy hurt and then moved in on him.
01:59:38.000It was an awesome exhibition for Whitaker to show that Whitaker can overcome the storm of a super confident, really dangerous guy who hits fucking hard, who's had a lot of confidence because of his most recent success doing that.
02:00:25.000I mean, it's almost a microcosm of life.
02:00:28.000It's crazy struggle and it, you know, it doesn't always end your way.
02:00:35.000What competition is in mixed martial arts is the most extreme version of problem-solving we have outside of war.
02:00:42.000It's the most extreme with dire physical consequences.
02:00:45.000You get brained like we saw Pat Berry get KO'd there.
02:00:48.000You know, I mean, that's the consequences of this game.
02:00:50.000But the The reality, or the take is, nobody gets out anyway alive.
02:00:58.000If you choose to experience this, this extremely high level for a very short burst, understand how much resources you're burning off, understand what you're doing, and proceed wisely.
02:01:10.000When I talk to fighters who, you know, sometimes question like, man, what am I doing to myself?
02:01:15.000I'm just beating people up and that's what I do.
02:01:17.000You know, to remind them that what really is happening is two people are coming to an agreement to provide a form of resistance for each other.
02:01:26.000Like at the highest level of what this is, like you're going to come face to face with someone who's also training and also striving to do everything that you're trying to do, which is what's going to push you up against that form of resistance and give you an opportunity Not only to overcome physically, but overcome emotionally,
02:01:45.000You'll have to bring everything to bear against that form of resistance, whether it's the weight cut or the opponent or the training or everything.
02:01:52.000And there's something to be said for that.
02:01:54.000Obviously, the only issue for a lot of people is that you end up paying that price not only then, but later, if you get the brain damage.
02:02:03.000And that's the only bummer of it and something that To be considered, but if it wasn't for that man, what a fucking beautiful way to do it like to get everything Everything all together unified in one and provide that ultimate form of resistance is like unbeatable It's definitely the most difficult physical challenge that we know because you're competing Especially at the highest level you're competing with someone who's the same size as you Has a commensurate level of expertise as you and is
02:02:33.000as motivated as you are to win And you're in this crazy competition together where you're literally playing a game of press the button.
02:02:43.000Who can shut off whose central nervous system quicker?
02:03:29.000And I think the more rules that you put in front of that kind of primal conflict, the little bit more it kind of separates and makes it a sport.
02:03:40.000When you see boxers kind of grabbing each other and doing nothing about it, that's when that moment of, oh yeah, this is a sport.
02:03:55.000The only moments where you go, it's a sport, it's like you can't grab the fence or you can't punch the balls or, oh, you poked it high, timeout.
02:04:29.000As long as someone's not kicking your legs.
02:04:31.000But if you're fighting the same fight, but you're fighting someone like Joe Schilling, he's gonna be fucking kicking the shit out of your legs.
02:04:40.000And he's a long dude, so he's gonna be standing way on the outside.
02:04:43.000And if you don't know how to deal with that, you're only gonna be able to absorb a few of those before you're useless.
02:04:48.000Or you think of like Badr Hari's like leaping overhand right where he commits everything, all of his childhood pain into that right hand, right?
02:04:57.000You can't do that all the time in MMA because someone will just go duck underneath it and double leg you.
02:05:02.000But he's never had to worry about that.
02:05:04.000So, you know, still he's one of the most exciting motherfuckers ever.
02:06:17.000Have you seen the most recent photos of Botter?
02:06:19.000Pull up the recent photos of Botter Hari, because he put some photos on Instagram of him training, and he took pictures of him with his shirt off, and you're like, what?
02:06:27.000Jesus Christ, he looks like he's about 250 now, something like that, and he's a big giant dude.
02:06:31.000He's always been a big giant dude, but he's like super, super muscled out now.
02:10:24.000There's so many good Muay Thai fighters out there.
02:10:26.000They just, for whatever reason, We haven't caught on yet.
02:10:30.000That's why I think when I think about this time, I think it's the best time ever because we get to see all of these incredible contests still extremely physical.
02:10:38.000Like we're still at the rising peak of our physical prowess, but we're also at the peak of our technological prowess and the peak of our ability to access all of the best foods and access the best ideas and all of the different things that can shape us.
02:10:52.000Like as pessimistic as people get, it is for sure the best of times.
02:10:57.000Right now, you know, for the majority of people.
02:10:59.000Now, obviously, there are hells on the planet still.
02:11:01.000There's hells that we can put ourselves in.
02:11:22.000Like maybe we've just seen too many gray aliens, you know, where the body kind of becomes less and less important and everything is focused on the consciousness.
02:11:29.000I feel like you get to that level and you fucking miss this certain...
02:11:34.000You know, evolution and epoch for the pleasure monkey where we had all of that physical access to strive and train and feel all of the physical things as well as, you know, reach incredible heights in consciousness and meditation and, you know,
02:11:52.000I think, you know, I think really no matter what stage before or after, I think we'll look back at this one like this was a special fucking time.
02:12:00.000It's definitely a special time, but I think every time is a special time.
02:12:03.000Because every time, no matter where you are on the time scale, if you're in that moment, you're in the most present time.
02:13:06.000They needed to get on that right away.
02:13:08.000If they had the Japanese engineering that you see today in Lexus, if they had applied that to guns back in the day, that same know-how and discipline.
02:13:40.000If you've watched those shows from Alaska where the people grow their own vegetables and shit and they catch fish in the river, there's something romantic about it, right?
02:14:45.000Some of them farm, and they raise cattle, and they have to move their cattle across this area to take them to where they graze, and they drop them off, and they have to move them back at the end of the year.
02:15:32.000It's crazy watching this guy, because although it is reality TV, and you do not know how much of this show is bullshit, because clearly some of it's bullshit.
02:15:45.000They had a filleted salmon, and the bear was supposedly getting fish from the river, and it was coming too close to them while they were fishing, but you never saw the two of them in the same frame.
02:15:54.000And then you see the bear, and the bear has a salmon that's filleted.
02:15:57.000Meaning, like, someone cut that salmon, threw it in the water, and gave it to the fucking bear.
02:16:04.000You know, so you guys are the only people here, but yet the bear, you haven't caught a fish yet, but the bear is a fish that has fillets removed off of it.
02:17:09.000But what they do is they leave one man behind in the village, and it's his job to sexually satisfy all the women while all the men are gone.
02:18:41.000Or I think we played that country song where it's like I flash my headlights at her window and you can get all fucking crazy in your head about it and just be like, oh, the pleasure monkey's getting pleasure.
02:19:44.000You've got to accept that, and you're going to have to enjoy another aspect of life other than having sex with this one person who's now having sex with The Rock.
02:21:40.000I've come to look at ourselves like a software operating system that can constantly get rewritten a little bit, even by the people that you're around.
02:21:47.000You want to look from the point of mirror neurons.
02:21:51.000Actually experiencing the same emotional state that the person you're around and or if it's just ideas or thoughts or whatever you want to, however you want to look at it.
02:21:59.000It's like adding a little bit of code to our code base and sometimes it's helpful and sometimes it's a virus.
02:22:05.000But the more you surround yourself with people with that kind of positive vibe, it's like building on the software in a positive way around these, you know, more negative people.
02:22:13.000They're implanting different little, you know, bugs and viruses that you're going to have to scan and remove later.
02:22:28.000Put yourself in situations where you're adding to that positive code base, the books you're reading, the things you're listening to.
02:22:34.000And be careful of the things on TV, too, that are adding to creating more of the viruses, supporting these negative thought patterns, these limiting beliefs, these things that are not helpful for the code base.
02:22:47.000And don't be so committed to these things that you have in your idea, in your mind.
02:25:52.000I'm testing my intellect against your intellect, and we're going to do so through a very established series of movements that these things are allowed to participate in.
02:26:37.000It's not mutually exclusive to the self-love aspect.
02:26:41.000You can still find your mountain without thinking you're a piece of shit when you stumble because everybody fucking stumbles.
02:26:47.000It doesn't mean you're It doesn't mean that you should hate yourself.
02:26:50.000It doesn't mean that you should isolate yourself from the love of the world because you feel you're not worthy of it and just create these negative patterns.
02:26:56.000Like, yes, go out, fucking find your mountain.
02:26:59.000But when you stumble, like everybody fucking does, understand that that's just life.
02:28:27.000Blown their kneecap up to the side of their hip and their fucking legs broken seven places and their necks never moving to the left ever again.
02:30:08.000They don't know how to control themselves very good, and they're kind of out of control, and so you have to adjust quickly to get away from them.
02:31:18.000Because he's so conditioned to being punched, he's so used to it that he can keep his eyes open as the punches are coming in and then counter perfectly.
02:31:25.000You're not going to have that kind of resolve with a deer.
02:32:31.000Like, police officers and military, they train yourself past the freeze.
02:32:34.000But it's funny, like, I was in Australia, and this dude was drinking Bundaberg overproof rum, and he was used to doing this trick with regular Bundaberg rum, which is Bundaberg rum, where he lights it on fire and pours it in his mouth, and it goes out when it hits his mouth.
02:32:49.000But he was doing it instead with overproof rum, right, which he'd never done before.
02:32:54.000Well, the thing with Overproof Home is that motherfucker doesn't go out ever, period.
02:32:58.000Like, the wind is not gonna get it out.
02:32:59.000So he's pouring this flaming shot and it doesn't go out.
02:35:15.000So they were coming out of a club, and it was actually a club that we used to go to a lot.
02:35:19.000I just happened to be out of town that weekend.
02:35:21.000But we're coming out of the club, and this girl, like, he gets, the guy gets in, like, a fight with one of, like, her boyfriends or whatever, and then she's, like...
02:35:29.000Well, show the whole thing, because he punches the girl in the head.
02:35:31.000Show the whole thing from the beginning.
02:37:04.000I know that the police knew, obviously, that Roger hit him and they just basically shook his hand and were like, hey, alright, we understand.
02:37:12.000But I don't think anything ever happened to that dude.
02:37:34.000And I think sometimes people that have overcome brutality when they're younger, they develop this ability to understand, like, oh, I've been here before.
02:37:48.000Whereas someone who's coddled, who grows up in a cushioned room, everything's dull, there's no sharp edges, that person, when confronted with some horrific situation, like some giant steroided-up football player, punches a girl in the back of the head, and you've got to act, and that guy's 100 pounds bigger than you,
02:38:15.000I really wish that he didn't have that falling out with the UFC. People forget that Roger Huerta was the first guy to ever be on the cover of Sports Illustrated for MMA. He was on the fucking cover of Sports Illustrated.
02:38:26.000He was being groomed as one of the top guys.
02:38:29.000But there was some sort of dispute between him and the UFC. Who knows which side is correct?
02:40:26.000So for Lima to beat him, and to beat Benson Henderson, who's relatively undersized for the division, and then to knock out Koreshkov like that, I mean, that was stunning shit.
02:41:41.000It's one of my most perplexing puzzles in MMA. But when he fought in Bellator, when Jay Heron went over there, Jay Heron gave him a hell of a fight.
02:41:56.000And Jay Heron, who was a very good fighter, who didn't do so good in the UFC, but was really talented, And then went over and had this fight with Askren and Bellator.
02:42:07.000I mean, Jay Haran was, you know, a good wrestler with a little bit better crisper striking than Askren and managed to keep it on the feet a lot.
02:42:15.000And Askren had a real problem with that.
02:42:16.000So that was one of those things where I was like, man, I want to see him against world-class fighters who know how to stuff that takedown.
02:42:22.000Against a real good wrestler who knows how to stuff the takedown.
02:42:32.000But it's still one of those things where nobody watches it.
02:42:34.000It's like, you look at the ratings, it's like, they're lucky they get a few hundred thousand.
02:42:37.000Well, it's the human drama that people love.
02:42:40.000And the bigger that personality, the more it's a celebrity, the more interested you are in the fight.
02:42:46.000You get to understand this character that Conor McGregor is, and it's part of the compelling nature of watching the fight.
02:42:53.000The personality, people want to identify with it.
02:42:55.000I think it's the difference between a good epic movie and a shitty epic movie.
02:43:00.000A good epic movie, you fall in love with the characters before the fucked up stuff happens that propels them on their hero's journey.
02:43:07.000You can't just go straight out of the gate and show that whole backstory happened and then he's all of a sudden kicking ass.
02:43:13.000You want to be emotionally invested and then every time they're swinging a You know, swinging a sword or every time you're watching them punch and take down, you're way more invested.
02:43:22.000And I think boxing did that with 24-7.
02:43:25.000The UFC's done that with all their embedded.
02:43:27.000And I think that's just something that they do better than anybody else.
02:43:31.000They get you emotionally invested into the fighter.
02:43:34.000And then when you're there, you know, that's when you really want to watch.
02:43:38.000There's also those epic personalities, those mega personalities that come around every few generations, or once a generation, or a couple times a generation, I should probably say.
02:43:47.000Like the Tysons, or the Sugar Ray Leonards, or the people that people are just so compelled to watch.
02:44:09.000Because Conor has those little gloves on and, you know, he's fighting MMA. He's landing these one shots that just stun guys and have them rocked.
02:44:19.000And he's putting them away like he's got lead in his hands.
02:44:22.000Like you see his fight with Jose Aldo.
02:44:24.000You very rarely see that happen 13 seconds in a world championship boxing match where someone connects with one shot and flatlines somebody.
02:44:32.000That's in the realm of MMA almost exclusively in early fights like that.
02:44:37.000It's so rare that in a championship fight someone knocks someone dead in 13 seconds.
02:44:42.000But in the UFC it can happen all the time.
02:44:56.000There's so much going on with big gloves versus small gloves.
02:45:00.000You see guys that have devoted their whole life to big glove defense and then they come in and the small gloves just don't offer the same sort of protection.
02:45:06.000Even look at Nicky Holskine's main defense.
02:45:09.000He gets in that kind of turtle pose where he pretty much is covering everything that's super important in his head with his gloves and forearms.
02:45:16.000You can't do that with the little gloves.
02:47:03.000A number, like a venue that is anything even remotely like the venues that used to exist just like 10 years ago as far as like putting a fight on Showtime or putting a fight on HBO or putting a fight on NBC. Seems like 10, 20 years ago you could have put Muay Thai on NBC at 9 o'clock at night at some crazy Muay Thai night and people would have got hooked like,
02:48:20.000I think before that ever happens, before there's a place where you can go and interact with robots, you're going to be one.
02:48:26.000I think it's going to be way more likely that you're going to take people that have been injured, like soldiers that have lost a limb in a war, they're going to replace them with better limbs.
02:48:34.000Then the first person's going to offer to get their limbs cut off.
02:48:37.000It's probably going to be someone with a disease where their limbs don't work so well.
02:48:40.000They get them cut off and then they win the Olympics.
02:48:42.000They start jumping over buildings and shit.
02:48:44.000Next thing you know, everybody's like, why not have these regular legs?
02:48:47.000And then one day it's going to get to a point where you can take your whole brain, take that brain, stick it in a fucking other body.
02:48:53.000I think it's not necessarily the brain.
02:48:55.000I think it's whatever that thing that we call consciousness.
02:49:01.000But the transfer of consciousness, that's one of those archetypal stories, like a religious story, the shapeshifter.
02:49:07.000Like you find in so many cultures, someone who can transfer their consciousness to another vehicle.
02:49:12.000I think that's definitely going to happen.
02:49:15.000We're going to be able to transfer our consciousness into other things that can hold that level of complexity.
02:49:21.000As long as it can hold that level of complexity, I think trying to transfer our consciousness into a stink bug would be really challenging.
02:49:28.000Obviously, the brain and how that works.
02:49:30.000It's putting something that's too big into something too little.
02:49:33.000But if something is of similar complexity, I think we could transfer our consciousness into there.
02:49:38.000We just got to figure out what consciousness is, how we measure it, somewhere in between the spaces of quantum physics.
02:50:36.000I believe that the intention, like pure intention, we're gonna be able to broadcast that through some form of third-party software, hardware solution, whatever it is.
02:50:46.000Like they'll be able to figure out what the actual intention of a thought is and transmit that.
02:50:52.000And so instead of a sentence, it'll be a series of thoughts That you can transfer the intention where you know it without language.
02:50:59.000You don't have to have a comprehension of German to be able to communicate with a person from Germany because you'll be able to see whatever they're thinking in pure intent or feel it or know it or whatever the fuck it is.
02:51:12.000And that's so much closer to truth than language, which is always just an approximation.
02:51:47.000And the only way you really have a reference is if you've experienced it as well.
02:51:51.000You're saying this, and I'm listening to you say this, and I agree with you, and then I'm like, man, how would I describe it any differently to somebody?
02:51:59.000And I'm like, well, let's see what we got here for tools.
02:52:21.000You know, I'm assuming you're explaining to me what went down when you had it, and I'm like, well, that sounds a lot like how I would clumsily try to explain my experience.
02:52:34.000And that's why you should go out and look for yourself, you know, feel these things, see these things, experience these things.
02:52:40.000When you see Burning Man, when you go to a place like Burning Man, you see what's possible.
02:52:44.000I mean, obviously I haven't been, but you've been a few times.
02:52:46.000When you see what's possible, when these fucking freaks all get together and rewrite the rules and go crazy, it gives you a lot of hope.
02:52:53.000It really does, because it makes you realize, like, these are a lot of people with normal people around us, and yet they're choosing in this one moment to behave in this...
02:53:03.000Stark contrast to everyday culture in society, but there's no litter.
02:54:08.000I mean, isn't that one of the more genuine problems with any sort of egalitarian or more altruistic vision is that people are not going to reciprocate.
02:54:19.000Like, you know, like if you could find a like-minded group of people where instead of the mob mentality of going fucking crazy and grabbing swords and chopping each other up, there's the mob mentality of peace and love.
02:54:30.000We're all just sort of, everybody around you sort of adopted this thing in a really radical way.
02:54:35.000They're wearing fucking goggles and riding bikes everywhere and everything's lit up with solar power and you're like, whoa, these people are going deep with this.
02:54:42.000Like, everybody's embraced this so, they're so all in.
02:54:45.000Every fucking chip is on the table when you're out there.
02:54:48.000That it reinforces this different and very peculiar sort of mob mentality that's psychedelic-driven and happy.
02:55:11.000It's like there's another sort of mob consciousness that can erupt when it's considered carefully, applied ethically, morally, sensitively, with an open heart.
02:55:37.000Whereas you get in these systems of fear and control, you know, you're going to adapt to that.
02:55:42.000And I think anybody that we encounter, we have that choice of what we're going to give back to them and turn that tide.
02:55:47.000And maybe it won't be reciprocated, but it can also stop that trend.
02:55:52.000So if someone really, you know, if they do something fucked up, you know, and you can't prevent it and you have to accept it and move on, accept that with love.
02:55:59.000Show that person love and not this desire for justice and revenge.
02:56:03.000And you'll start to switch the pattern.
02:56:06.000That's the only thing that ends the cycle.
02:56:08.000The only thing that ends the cycle ultimately is love.
02:56:11.000Like violence, you know, you get something violent to you, then you do something violent to them, then you do something violent to you.
02:56:16.000And it continues to go until one person just holds like, man, I see your pain.
02:56:32.000And I think that's what we got to do in society.
02:56:35.000That's what we got to do, the right and the left.
02:56:36.000Instead of continually shooting these barbs at each other, at some point the conscious people have to say, like, you know, whatever you say, I hear you.
02:57:06.000You know, the fake tan that he uses is from, he takes Native American graves, and he takes the soil, and that's what they use for the fake tan.
02:57:17.000It's the only way to get it, that perfect hue, but you can't get it too close to your eyes, hence the raccoon look.
02:57:50.000Hmm strange times strange times, but beautiful times They're the best times they are and the more we realize they're the best times The more we're gonna be okay like right now.
02:57:59.000Yeah, it is entirely possible We might get hit by an asteroid the side of China.
02:58:05.000They're out there There's giant chunks of run we the in the world rather was at one point time hit with another planet that's established That's what they believe.
02:58:14.000They believe the moon was created when the Earth literally collided with another fucking planet.
02:59:32.000It's the going for the goal that's the best part.
02:59:34.000It's not the actual achievement of that goal makes you feel suddenly different.
02:59:38.000It's that you're striving for it, making progress, and then you hit it, and there's that, of course, that satisfaction, but then you set another goal.
03:01:56.000He's like Gandalf the White Wizard, so we're setting that up.
03:01:59.000But I knew this one was going to get interesting because a month, like about a month before, sometime in August, I wake up in the middle of the night.
03:03:03.000But, and you know, I maybe I might have known that date in my head.
03:03:07.000So I'm not trying to think this is supernatural.
03:03:09.000It's all kind of metaphor, but it was very specific.
03:03:11.000So by the time we get out there, I knew that I had this feeling like, man, some shit's gonna come up here because that was like, something's in my psyche that's incredibly specific about this.
03:03:22.000So we're going into ceremony, and one thing I like to do to prepare for ceremony, and I do this for the whole group, is I do a meditation where it anchors them to their consciousness, and I put that consciousness in their heart, right?
03:03:33.000Because the head can get really squirrely, and you can get lost in belief and different ideas and thoughts.
03:03:38.000And if you identify yourself as consciousness, which I tell them to symbolize as a brilliant piece of white light in your heart, And you symbolize that and you imagine that there.
03:03:52.000And then, you know, I talk to them how when you imagine that there, then you can imagine it actually showing up atomically, like in the rules of quantum physics, the observer effect.
03:04:01.000It's connected to yourself, all your cells, connected to all things in space, connected to the one source of consciousness, the collective consciousness, that thing.
03:04:11.000And it just kind of anchors you and keeps you in this feeling of safe.
03:04:14.000So whatever squirrely thing is happening in your mind, you do that.
03:04:17.000But this is important for the story that I'm setting up.
03:04:21.000So I do that meditation, and that's where I go into these psychedelic experiences, anchored to my heart, connected to the cosmos, connected to the infinite through that.
03:04:30.000And it's a very kind of comforting meditation.
03:04:49.000And it was like, we're just going to fix a few things.
03:04:52.000So I felt like what feels like all these little doctors of light, the doctorcitos, you know, these little light beings going through my body and start fixing little different areas, fixing little parts in my head and they're fixing little parts here.
03:05:05.000And meanwhile, my mind is being distracted with flowers and butterflies and it's super chill.
03:05:09.000The only memorable vision I had was I go to this shrine in this jungle and I see this giant monkey-human hybrid that's super happy.
03:05:19.000And it's like, there's just butterflies and everything going around.
03:05:22.000And then, inscripted in stone, it says, we are the pleasure monkeys.
03:05:26.000And that's what I've been using that word today.
03:07:07.000Because I've learned in a lot of these practices, the more you resist these things, the more aggressive they become and the harder you just get in this dance.
03:07:15.000So the more you surrender, generally, the better off you are.
03:07:18.000So it's like, oh, you want to eat that thing?
03:08:56.000Because he's giving it to the demon of all demons.
03:09:00.000And this is very archetypal and I'm not religious, but these archetypes are coming through in this kind of, you know, demon type of sense.
03:09:08.000But anyways, this demon that he gives it to, I can only call the world crusher.
03:09:12.000Because literally he's of the size where I'm seeing him hold planets and crushing them into dust in his hands.
03:09:20.000And he's just moving the cosmos, these giant horns made of this deep, dark black and red smoke and just laughing in the ecstasy of destruction as he takes galaxies and he rips them apart.
03:09:33.000Like the ultimate black hole of destruction and evil.
03:10:18.000But understanding that, again, that consciousness and the cosmos needs dark and light, I understand the value of the polarity of something that dark.
03:11:22.000Ikaros seemed to be following my trip, died down.
03:11:25.000I'm going through about all the relations in my life and the different, you know, kind of doing the general work you do on ayahuasca.
03:11:31.000And I get to a member of my family who's really, you know, suffering from some mental illness that is really dark, like a dark mental illness.
03:11:39.000And I think that now maybe the world crusher is my friend.
03:11:42.000So I get the feeling the world crusher has, you know, that element of darkness is in him.
03:11:47.000So I think in my imagination and kind of call back on that being.
03:11:53.000And immediately it comes up, but in a different shape, like a giant fucking sea serpent.
03:11:59.000And it's wrapping these tentacles around my body like a Leviathan from the deep.
03:12:58.000Like, and since the archetype was demons, I was like, can I get a Jesus in here or something?
03:13:03.000Like some kind of light and nothing light would come.
03:13:06.000Although I did get a cool vision of like Jesus meeting the world crusher.
03:13:10.000And I was like, ooh, this is going to be square, like showdown, UFC, ultimate, Jesus versus the world crusher.
03:13:16.000And immediately they turned super gay and they started making out with each other and having sex.
03:13:21.000Jesus and the world crusher started like having sex with each other.
03:13:25.000And it was the wildest vision because it was this, like the ultimate love affair, like the two polarities of the cosmos, like all of the love and forgiveness and all of the power and destruction.
03:14:11.000It was like a moment of, like, relief from this really fucking heavy trip.
03:14:16.000But I still wasn't getting any personal interaction from anything on the light side, you know?
03:14:20.000And so I'm still, like, kind of a little shaken up, especially after, you know, the world crusher called me a coward and I couldn't help, you know, this person in my family.
03:15:04.000I put it in my chest and then instantly I could feel myself getting this like hunger for power and feeling like the world crusher, like I wanted to destroy and manipulate.
03:15:15.000And I was like, oh shit, that's not the thing.
03:16:23.000But I'm really getting shaken here because I keep getting fucking tricked and I keep not knowing what my mind is telling me that's helpful or whether it's coming from something else.
03:16:32.000So eventually I move it out of my body and I'm looking at it and I was like...
03:17:00.000And the redstone dissolves and then all of creation holds that darkness and that power.
03:17:05.000And I'm sitting there and I just at this point just fucking surrender.
03:17:09.000Like I've just been totally getting my ass kicked, you know, for the majority of this trip.
03:17:13.000And especially just having been tricked and I'm just kind of like in a state of surrender.
03:17:18.000And at that point I feel like kind of like Iron Man style.
03:17:24.000I feel this breastplate come slap onto my chest, and it has this really beautiful fire opal stone, and this helmet come onto my head, bink!
03:17:32.000And this helmet comes, and it has this other brilliant white light, and I feel wings shoot out from my back, right?
03:17:42.000And I'm flying in the air and there's a bunch of like eagles and other birds and it's all like peaceful and all good.
03:17:50.000And it was like all of the allies, like all of the good guys, all the good team Kind of came through and they were flying over this world that was dark and fires and pollution and chaos and they were just bringing this like fresh air of like white light and I was just cruising and so for the last 30 minutes of the trip I was just literally like flapping my wings in the vision just kind of cruising over the world with all my eagle homies and it was fucking one of the gnarliest obviously experiences
03:18:50.000And again, I think the lesson, it's really just about that was the type of resistance That could summon the very best out of me.
03:18:58.000The move to show the world crusher love.
03:19:03.000All of the moves that I had to make, I was only able to learn about myself from the extreme pressure of that vision.
03:19:09.000That's one of the beautiful parts of the ayahuasca vision.
03:19:12.000It tends to give you just enough that if you show up with your best and you choose love and you choose the things that are going to bring out the best outcome, You'll make it through.
03:19:24.000But it brings you to that very fucking brink where it feels like, man, you know, the stakes are really, really high.
03:19:31.000It's interesting because I think stories like that and experiences like yours, although you've got to go somewhere to experience them legally, those stories are what people are going to rely on.
03:19:45.000Of the potential experiences that people are gonna come back with and go, dude, look what he's saying about this.
03:20:01.000One day, all this stuff is going to be legal, and one day, all sorts of psychedelic experiences, whether it's mescaline or fucking mushrooms, whatever, they're all going to be really commonplace.
03:20:12.000They're going to be as commonplace as going to get a massage or as commonplace as taking a yoga class.
03:20:19.000Just, right now we're in a weird place where someone like you telling that story seems like a crazy person.
03:20:53.000Because people have had similar experiences of reference.
03:20:55.000I mean, I think the way that a lot of people experience this is in archetypes that you learn about and there's a different character in the story, you know, which is something you can learn from.
03:21:04.000Like the Harry Potter movies, like Jordan was talking about.
03:21:07.000You know, you can learn from those archetypes, but it's different when, you know, you get a chance to play as the main character.
03:21:44.000Archetypal themes, but I can watch as many Faust plays as I want.
03:21:48.000I'm never going to feel what that feels like until I have the devil mocking me for being a coward, for not being willing to make that deal.
03:21:56.000And then you understand these certain things in a much, much deeper way.
03:22:03.000It just puts you up in this situation where you have stake in the game, and you have choices to make, and that's where you get the real value.
03:22:11.000I think Roger Huerta would have put that world crusher in a tie clench and slammed some knees right into his fucking stupid face.
03:22:18.000You know, some of the shamans, that's their move, right?
03:22:20.000They're constantly trying to get mastery and dominion over all of these things.
03:22:25.000I just find that the more you try and fight with them, the more they just love it.
03:22:28.000Like, whatever thing you're trying to fight, whatever darkness you're trying to fight, the more you fight with them, they're just like, fuck yeah, bring it on.
03:23:22.000It's all common, you know, whether it's religious or whether it's medical or whether it's, I think the plants are going to show up when humans need the help the most.
03:23:30.000And I think that's, that's the spot we're in.
03:23:32.000And You know, ayahuasca, it's not for everybody.
03:23:34.000Like, don't everybody rush out and do it.
03:23:36.000Like, do it if that's what's really calling for you.
03:23:38.000If you want to learn more, I just released that documentary.