Comedian and actor Joe Rogan joins Jemele to discuss his new movie, Yoga Hosers, and how he got his start as a stand-up comic. He also talks about his new Netflix film, The Handmaid's Tale, and why he doesn't care what people think of him. Plus, he gives us the inside scoop on why he thinks Kevin Smith is the best actor in the world, and what it's like to work with him on his new film. Plus, we talk about why he's not a morning person, why he likes to drink milk, and the movie he's making with his daughter, Johnny Deppson, and his daughter's girlfriend. And, of course, he talks about how he's going to make a movie with his wife, Amy Poehler, that's right there in the title of the movie, "Yoga Hosers." And, he also gives us his thoughts on the new Netflix movie "Yogurt Hosers" and why it's a good movie to watch on your drive home from the movie theater. You won't want to miss this! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Artwork by Ian Dorsch. The theme song by Suneaters, courtesy of Lotuspool Records. We'll See You Soon, My Dear Universe. by Fuse. -- and our ad music is by Lizzie. Subscribe to our new music streaming service, . and we'll be giving you a shoutout on the best song of the week, Too Effin' Good Vibez. Thank you for listening to this episode of Gimlet? (featuring our new song "The Good, the Bad, the Good, The Bad, The Good, and The Bad and the Beautiful, the Great, The Great, the One and The Beautiful, and so on and so much more! -- Thank you so much for your support and support us, we really appreciate it. We'll see you next week for all your support. Thank you, bye. Love ya, bye, bye Bye Bye, bye bye bye, Bye Bye Bye. <3. -Eddie & Good Luck, bye! -Jemele x -P.B. -JOSH MILLER -KEVIN SCARLATA
00:00:18.000Before we go any farther, or far at all, or do anything, let me just throw out there.
00:00:24.000I was telling somebody, like, what are you doing today?
00:00:26.000I was like, I'm going to go talk to Joe Rogan.
00:00:28.000Then I launched into my, like, ten-minute Joe Rogan pitch.
00:00:32.000And at the end of it, the person I was talking to goes, oh, you've known him a long time?
00:00:38.000I said, I've talked to him like twice in person.
00:00:42.000And she was like, you just went on a passionate tirade about the man.
00:00:46.000I said, I don't know how to explain it, but I love the way he lives.
00:00:50.000I've loved the man since news radio, and then meeting the man and speaking with him on previous podcasts, both his and mine.
00:00:58.000But not just that, and I love your philosophy, I love the way you do life, you handle it like The way I would if I was you, like, that's the best compliment I could give, but I'm not you, so I'm gutless, and I live through your Instagram.
00:01:11.000Like, I look at how you live, I was like, this is how a man lives.
00:01:27.000Like, when you don't want them coming to your house, but you do want them on the podcast, I'm like, shit.
00:01:32.000When I went, it must have been a while ago, because Megan was still working for me, and she drove me, and she had to take a leak, and she pissed outside.
00:01:57.000I made this movie called Yoga Hosers that just finally came onto Netflix and I took it to Sundance in January and they bent me over and just, critically speaking, and were just hate-fucking it.
00:02:34.000If I could turn it around and turn it on you.
00:02:35.000What I like about what you do is you're very much an accepted inside guy who lives like some guy from Jersey who's trying to break into the business.
00:02:47.000This is useful because you never really understand how professionals see you.
00:02:52.000You know how the world sees you because they'll tell you at any given moment.
00:03:22.000There's not a whole lot of unique visions.
00:03:25.000There's a lot of ideas that get brought to producers and executives and a bunch of people pile in and it becomes more of an idea where it's trying to appeal to a broader audience and it switches up and then someone wants to bring in a love interest.
00:03:40.000There's all sorts of influences that happen that homogenize as you drink some milk.
00:04:18.000There's more of a like, oh yeah, that's cool.
00:04:20.000It's cinema of cool because you could just look at, even if you don't have an experiential connection to it, like, oh, I once went to a 50s cafe as per Pulp Fiction.
00:06:35.000It's still a smaller circle of people to kind of answer to.
00:06:38.000You always have to be willing to hear what they're saying.
00:06:40.000If somebody's willing to give you ungodly amounts of money to make pretend, mind you, this is not like, I'm going to give you funds and you're going to give me eggs and then I'm going to sell those eggs and I'm going to make more money selling those eggs.
00:06:50.000They're like, we're going to give you money and you're going to take this goofy fucking idea you have and try to make it real and turn it into a movie that may work or may not work.
00:08:20.000Like, when you think about it, if you were building something, you built all this massive infrastructure and spent three years putting it together and did it once, and then you're like, okay, everybody, goodbye forever.
00:08:30.000It's kind of a waste of everything you put together.
00:08:33.000That's why they immediately go for a sequel.
00:08:35.000A, they know they're going to make money, but B, they're going to make more money because they don't have to invest as much time and money as they did the first time.
00:08:41.000So that's what makes a studio go like, oh, that's easier.
00:09:42.000After a year of, like, just taking it over, a movie that nobody saw because it didn't really come out conventionally, we toured it and stuff like that, Yoga Horsers finally goes to Netflix.
00:09:50.000And I just want to go back and, like, here, let me just assure people.
00:09:55.000If there's something you want to do, do it.
00:09:58.000Like, as long as it doesn't hurt somebody.
00:10:00.000Especially if it's something like make something, like a movie or fucking comic book or art, whatever the fuck.
00:10:07.000There was a moment throughout this year where I was like, fuck, what was I? I was stoned, why did I make that movie?
00:10:14.000Like, oh my god, I'm a fucking idiot and stuff.
00:10:16.000And I forgot somewhere along the way that, like, when I made it, and this isn't a cop-out of, like, I didn't make it for everybody, but I did kind of target an audience for it.
00:10:24.000And I knew going in that it was going to have this weird life to get to where it is.
00:10:28.000I made it for tween girls specifically.
00:10:30.000I was like, maybe other people could enjoy it, but this is for a tween girl.
00:10:33.000The way, like, when I was a tween boy, I was clicking on cable and I found Strange Brew, starring Bob and Doug McKenzie.
00:11:05.000So I felt like, I want to make a movie.
00:11:06.000I have a daughter, and she's 17 now, but for years I was always trying to take her to flicks where it's not Iron Man, Spider-Man, Superman, Batman.
00:11:15.000It's like, hey, is there a fucking lady up in the mix here that's not just like, and Black Widow.
00:11:21.000Now they're making a Wonder Woman movie.
00:11:23.000So I said, you can sit around and curse the darkness, or you can light a candle.
00:11:27.000So I was like, all right, let's make this thing that I'm trying to take the kid to that I could never find and shit.
00:12:19.000The way like Dante and Randall hung out on my clerk's poster.
00:12:22.000And then, like, it would eventually wind up on Netflix or some streaming service that's, like, amidst hundreds, thousands of other movies.
00:12:30.000And some tween girl is clicking through one day, bored of shit, and just watched everything, and suddenly sees the picture of, like, two girls standing next to each other, hockey stick, and little sausage men.
00:12:41.000And like, it becomes their religion, their strange brew or something.
00:12:44.000You know, you can't always go for the world.
00:12:47.000It'd be nice if you're going to satisfy everybody, but you're trying to satisfy yourself, which sounds very masturbatory, but at the same time, it's like, I hope people go on the journey.
00:15:33.000You know, I can't say, like, I never think about that shit, because sooner or later, somebody's going to ask me a question that I have to, you know, where they're like, hey, man, we get it.
00:15:41.000You're making it for you, but you did take a few million bucks.
00:18:15.000And I was like, dude, it makes for an excellent story.
00:18:17.000You could be like, I told him his movie fucking blew to his face and I fucking took his money and walked out.
00:18:22.000And he went and sat down and crossed his arms and just stayed there for another half hour during the Q&A. So for him it was worth the $40 just to be like, I'm going to just sit here and fucking hate on this.
00:19:10.000The relationship that you have to the people that buy your stuff is very direct.
00:19:14.000You also have a podcast, so you talk about things in a pretty open and honest way like this, and you express vulnerability, which makes people super uncomfortable.
00:19:31.000But in the world in general, if you tell people like, oh, I fucked up and I'm stupid or I'm fat or my dick's small, they're like, hey, man, hey, that's too much.
00:20:51.000Yeah, they're both really creative kids, but they have been raised in a world much different than the world that most people are raised in.
00:21:00.000Nothing wrong with that, but it's produced very interesting results.
00:21:04.000Yeah, and I guess if you're that sheltered, like your dad is some super movie star type character, your transition to regular, ordinary adulthood is probably super confusing.
00:21:15.000I got one kid, and I'm not fucking Will Smith by any stretch of the imagination.
00:21:21.000I ain't even fucking Joe Rogan, which is not saying you ain't Will Smith, but I guess it kind of is.
00:23:39.000Like, I gotta accomplish a lot before my old man died at 67. Like, I don't know how long I'm gonna live, but I want to accomplish as much as I can and create and do shit and experience things.
00:23:54.000I want her to enjoy her time and my wife to enjoy her time and Scott to enjoy his time.
00:23:59.000But the sad fact of the matter is, In order for you to rise, usually someone in your life falls.
00:24:05.000And it's not a precipitous like, oh, I've fucking broken, but they can't be rising like you when they're helping you build your shit.
00:24:12.000That's something I had to learn to deal with way early on in my career.
00:24:15.000I used to take advantage of people and not in the way of like, oh, I'm trying to take advantage of you, but I was like, oh, we're just working on my thing because what else will we be working on?
00:24:23.000And hey, isn't this all great that we're working, period, and stuff.
00:24:26.000And you forget that not everybody started Wanting to do your thing.
00:24:29.000Like, Scott's whole thing was, you know, I didn't go to film school to become a producer of your movies.
00:24:34.000I went to film school to write and direct.
00:24:36.000And I've been having a great time doing your stuff.
00:24:38.000But that meant ten years of me not even trying to do the thing that I went to do.
00:25:14.000Hey, let me ask you this, because you probably wouldn't know the answer to this before we get back to the subject, because this subject's really important.
00:25:18.000Obviously, I'm using you like a therapist today.
00:25:20.000Whatever the fucking happened to that lawsuit?
00:25:22.000Remember there was a lady who wrote a book?
00:25:24.000She said that she had submitted that book to those brothers that made the matrix, and that is the exact same story.
00:27:28.000But if you're talking about, these motherfuckers are in big batteries that power a fucking machine that we're all in and plugs in our head, then it gets very, very close.
00:27:36.000But even that concept of one day we're going to live in some sort of a virtual reality, that's not a new concept.
00:28:08.000But you start sitting there going, everything we know about what we understand to be reality, accept to be reality, is a social contract in many ways.
00:28:17.000Like ideas and thoughts that we all agree on and stuff about what is real, what is important.
00:28:23.000That's why when you meet people who are like...
00:28:55.000The unique thing about it is that we have been living under this illusion that it either had to be one of these people, like a Democrat, or one of these people, or Republican, and that these people are politicians and these are the people that won presidencies.
00:29:52.000And we might see, and I'm not saying burn it all down and see what happens, but...
00:29:57.000We've had how many years of a two-party system, essentially, where it's like, yeah, there's lip service to a Green Party and lip service to another party, but we, for all intents and purposes, I mean, I know it was claimed by the Republican Party, but we saw...
00:30:10.000A huge upset of a third party candidate.
00:30:51.000Like, he's probably pretty good at getting people to like him as a certain person, who he really is.
00:30:58.000Like, I think you probably got to get to know him to find out who the fuck he really is.
00:31:01.000But also, I honestly feel like, to some degree, and I'm not taking anything away from him, but Anybody could have just popped up and been like...
00:32:03.000There was a lot of people that wanted to make history.
00:32:06.000They wanted to make history because, look, from a social standpoint, Barack Obama was very important because here was a super articulate guy who's really calm and he has a very even presence about him, always.
00:32:31.000That's probably the best way to describe him.
00:32:35.000That was important for the country because that represented like, wow, hey, here's this black guy who's super articulate and so calm and so, like, the way he expresses himself is so perfect for a president, so presidential.
00:32:51.000Like, what a perfect example for our country.
00:33:05.000Like, look, we look, we are a really articulate, incredibly well experienced woman who's been in business for a long time with the government.
00:33:16.000She's deep inside the public service since she was a teenager.
00:33:25.000But I think if that was a man and she had all those same problems, it was a man and tied to some foundation that was getting all these people that eventually got arms deals and they donated and they were all part of this weird sort of incestuous political world,
00:33:42.000a man would be skewered with that same record because Trump was running as an outsider.
00:33:48.000You know, what he had going against him is he's boorish.
00:37:34.000And I think as long as we can figure out how to make that system pure, where people can't hack into it, you can't log in from 15 different computers, if you have a fucking birth certificate and your birth certificate aligns with this number and that's this and this is you, as long as they can figure out how to make it so people don't hack into it,
00:37:50.000everybody who's an adult should be allowed to vote.
00:38:08.000You tell them you can't be a 20-year-old and do something stupid and rob somebody or something, and then I'm supposed to think of you a certain way for the rest of your life?
00:38:40.000All the other stuff, in terms of restrictions on your behavior, we have to just figure it out, cut it down the middle between hurts other people and hurts yourself.
00:41:46.000I think there's going to be states that resist it still.
00:41:48.000There's guys like that Jeff Sessions guy who's coming into office with Trump who could be an issue, but I don't think he will be because I think Trump is a- A business person.
00:43:40.000Like, all of a sudden, Donna Summer and Diana Ross came down the staircase, and it wasn't a real thing.
00:43:45.000But, boy, they fucking looked it and put on a huge show.
00:43:48.000And my father was still alive, and he just had a heart attack at that point, or a couple heart attacks, stroke as well.
00:43:54.000Two heart attacks and a couple strokes.
00:43:56.000So he walked to the cane, and one of his hands was like Bob Dole, like, just kind of hanging there and stuff like that.
00:44:03.000So him and my mom are at this gig at my brother's wedding.
00:44:07.000And there we are, like, on the dance floor watching the drag show.
00:44:13.000And, you know, the performers are lip syncing, like, famous songs.
00:44:17.000And my mom was, she had a lot of drinks in her.
00:44:21.000My mom is, like, fucking boogieing and shit.
00:44:23.000She's got, like, you know, extra fucking weight, like every Smith.
00:44:27.000And so, you know, she's jiggling here and there and stuff like that in her sleeveless dress.
00:44:31.000My old man was dressed in, like, a suit that didn't fucking match.
00:44:35.000She just put it together and shit like that.
00:44:37.000But he had his hand on my mom's back and with his weak hand was kind of leaning on the can but using her more for stability.
00:44:46.000So his hand's on her back while she's dancing and stuff.
00:44:49.000And I watched, you know, I'm standing right behind him.
00:44:52.000I watched through the course of the fucking song, my old man's hand slide down my mom's back, then spin in a pretty fluid motion for a guy who had a couple strokes, and go right for the ass cup.
00:45:05.000And not stop on cheek, son, but dive deep, spelunking for gold.
00:45:10.000Like, he went right inside and cupped it like this shit's mine.
00:47:39.000And she knows what you can say and what you can't say and how you can kind of distort things to make them seem like they were better than they were.
00:47:47.000We're still talking about her at this point?
00:48:41.000And even if you came over on a boat, you came over on a boat with all those other psychopaths that were willing to hop across the ocean with you.
00:50:05.000I read an article that said that seagulls are...
00:50:08.000Birds in general are attracted to the smell of plastic.
00:50:10.000Well, I've read something they're saying because a lot of plastic has food on it.
00:50:15.000Like even if it's like in a microscopic small amount.
00:50:17.000That would make more sense to me, yeah.
00:50:19.000Yeah, well a lot of our plastic comes in contact with food for sure.
00:50:22.000But I read another thing about a certain type of bird that lives on this one island where it's a real epidemic that these mama birds are bringing back plastic and feeding it to their babies.
00:52:20.000Or how about a grilled cheese sandwich with tuna where you butter the outside of the bread and you put some tomato on that bitch and you put some tuna and you put a bunch of slices of sharp cheddar and you cook that shit?
00:53:19.000He was like, I just don't know how much longer it's gonna last.
00:53:22.000So there could be an end to fish in our lifetime?
00:53:25.000Well, there's a lot of speculation that by 2050, we literally would have killed most of the fish in the sea.
00:53:32.000If we continue escalating the way we have from 1960 to 2016, population now 7 billion, let's just assume it's going to double by 2050. I don't know what the number is.
00:53:45.000What's the projected population by 2050?
00:54:33.000I have zero understanding of the process.
00:54:35.000But I know that they did it a long time ago and it was so expensive that they did it like one cheeseburger would have cost like a quarter million dollars.
00:55:43.000And so one of his legs is like a bone.
00:55:46.000Like a metal rod that goes down to his knee.
00:55:49.000Like they replaced his femur with a bone, with a metal bone.
00:55:55.000Like they can start doing that to the whole body, which means if you can make some sort of a nervous system, you're like halfway to a person.
00:56:05.000You can make meat, and you can make artificial bones.
00:56:08.000You make an artificial skeleton, you cover it with meat.
00:56:11.000You've got a Westworld thing going on here.
00:57:17.000I mean that was one of the most devastating injuries a person can get because it's a giant organ Like a big burn like that is devastating 90 minutes.
00:57:26.000That's insane permanent results within days As the stem cells regenerate the skin, leaving no scars.
00:59:49.000Like intravenous, like a drug, like heroin.
00:59:51.000They can somehow or another do that with stem cells, and you're like, I've known two people that have done it, Bas Rutten and Dan Bilzerian.
00:59:57.000They're both like, holy shit, this was amazing.
01:00:00.000Bas said it felt like he had energy coming off his fingers.
01:00:15.000Another method that another friend of mine did is they drilled into the bone in his hip and they pulled marrow out and used that marrow, used the stem cells from his hip marrow and then injected that into his knee and it had a pretty remarkable effect too.
01:00:30.000The opinion is divided over which stem cell therapy is the most effective.
01:00:37.000But one of them that seems to be very effective is one that I did, and that's with cesarean section.
01:00:42.000They take a woman who's given birth by cesarean section, and if they're young, I think they have to be within a certain age limit, then they take their placenta and they extract stem cells from the placenta.
01:00:53.000And then they have some sort of a process that I'll never understand, and then they inject the stem cells into the injury itself.
01:00:59.000And your body starts regenerating tissue.
01:01:02.000So that's the difference between this and any other sort of form of therapy, is that it actually allows your body to regenerate tissue.
01:01:11.000So things that are torn can actually heal and thicken and strengthen, like you're seeing with those burn victims.
01:01:17.000Again, don't listen to me because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
01:01:19.000I just know how it's been explained to me.
01:01:39.000Well, one of the things they're finding out is that with mice, they're taking the blood of young mice and they're injecting it in older mice.
01:01:49.000And these older mice start acting like young mice again.
01:01:52.000And they start literally going back in age.
01:03:26.0001610. Anyone that you ever loved that didn't make it to 54 and just realized that the bloodbather who butchered all those women made it to 54. How old was she when they locked her in the hole?
01:04:14.000Maybe we know somewhere, and maybe it's just we're ridiculous, and blood's a liquid, and you can contain it and measure it, and we just get our heads wrapped around this idea that that's what makes you younger.
01:04:25.000Or maybe like we inherently knew that's the source of aging is the blood.
01:04:30.000And then chased it away during civilization just because like, well, there's only one way around that, the blood of others.
01:04:38.000Maybe it's not something that we knew or didn't knew, but it's inherent knowledge.
01:04:42.000Like maybe your system, sort of like how your body knows when it's thirsty to drink water without anybody even telling you, like you just kind of know, right?
01:04:50.000There's like certain things that you know.
01:04:52.000You see a snake, even if you've never seen one, you're going to back up.
01:04:57.000It could be highly possible that we'd have some sort of subconscious understanding of some aspects of our body, some needs that our body has, that we've never been able to see it written anywhere because no one's written it down, but maybe you kind of know things.
01:07:19.000It's smart TV. They make you work for it.
01:07:21.000But essentially the idea is they take people who are dying and you can download your consciousness into this digital playground where you look the way you want.
01:07:34.000It looks like, you know, every spring break you've ever seen and stuff.
01:07:37.000And so these two people meet up and they're both young women.
01:07:40.000You find out one is an old woman and the other, they're both old women, but one's been a vegetable since she was like a teenager.
01:07:50.000They can run, romp, and be free and be whoever they want.
01:07:52.000But it's generally considered, like, you could choose to just die and pass on to whatever you think is out there, if there's a heaven or something like that.
01:08:04.000Or you could choose to go to the server, as they call it and stuff.
01:08:09.000And so the two women who fall for one another, one is like, stay here forever.
01:11:47.000And they just finished an amazing show and we go backstage and, you know, I don't know how you are after a show, but I now know how I am after a show.
01:11:54.000And generally speaking, the show was there and now I just like, I just want to grab some milk and drive home or something like that.
01:12:03.000And instead, you know, you're not like, hey!
01:12:06.000So I met them and they were all like, hey.
01:12:09.000You know, and they didn't fucking see Clerks.
01:13:18.000They didn't start writing until like 3 o'clock in the morning.
01:13:21.000They would hang out and play video games and fart in each other's faces.
01:13:24.000They literally didn't start writing until the middle of the night because Paul had a strategy of getting everybody really tired and silly and then they would write all night.
01:13:34.000And then a lot of times we would get like the first draft, the day of the table read, we would get the first draft, they would just be coming, like Josh Lee would come down barefoot, and these guys would be up all night, and Lou Morton and all these writers, and I was like, you guys are fucking crazy,
01:13:50.000like, you didn't even sleep like this?
01:13:51.000He goes like, no, we've been writing all night, this is how we do it.
01:13:54.000And they were just silly, because they were almost, without doing drugs, they were getting high.
01:15:38.000That show was a very weird show in a lot of ways.
01:15:43.000Like Paul was a he's such a unique guy that he would essentially let anybody come up with another line if like they were doing a table read or not a table read rather but a Run-through if you would get a hold of script Dave would come up with an alternative line,
01:16:01.000and right away, the show was in trouble, because the first year that we were filming, it wasn't really doing very well in the ratings, and they couldn't figure out how the show...
01:16:13.000The show, I bet you that number would be...
01:19:01.000And since nobody taught you, and there's nobody to teach you this shit, there's no book, you have your own process where you're like, well, I guess to be pure, it should all be my stuff.
01:19:11.000That way when I see it say, written by Kevin Smith, it's not a lie.
01:19:14.000Just like I was raised Catholic, so for the longest time, I thought I was a virgin until I was about 17, Really, I lost my virginity at 13. Like, I was inside a girl at age 13. She was also the same age,
01:20:35.000Especially with Catholicism, they had a built-in get-out-of-jail-free card.
01:20:39.000You can do what you need to, but you come into church, you tell the strange man your dirty little secrets in a booth with no lights, and you leave, and everything's going to be fine with Jesus.
01:20:48.000And it made sense all throughout my childhood.
01:20:57.000I know, but we were on a good thread, man.
01:20:59.000We were talking about It is what you think it is.
01:21:04.000Like, you build the rules for yourself.
01:21:05.000So I said to myself, if I include Chris Rock's amazing ad-lib in my movie, then I've taken from another writer and hence it can't say written by...
01:21:36.000The character was very loosely based on me.
01:21:39.000Feels like they saw your stand-up and said, fucking do that on the show.
01:21:43.000No, Paul was just like really good at picking out the goofy shit that you do and like exaggerating it.
01:21:49.000Because I was always into stupid UFO stories, so it would always be some conspiracy theory or some gadget, because I've always been a dork when it comes to technology.
01:21:59.000I'm fascinated by all sorts of gadgets and shit, but I don't actually know how to make anything.
01:22:05.000I'm good at it because I'm flashing on moments where you're like, you see this, and it's just a card, and you're like, it's from the elevator, but I don't know which one.
01:24:51.000It's like NBC got in touch with my management and they asked me if I wanted to do my own show or if I wanted to do this show that they have already, this show called NewsRadio.
01:25:04.000So I got to watch the pilot before I had no idea what it was like before anybody ever saw it.
01:25:09.000I got a VHS tape of the pilot before it ever aired on TV. And so I got to watch that and then I auditioned for it.
01:25:16.000So it was a big advantage in that I kind of understood Like the style.
01:28:52.000They get scripts this thick, thick as a dick.
01:28:55.000So they can't learn all that dialogue.
01:28:57.000And they shoot like 20, 30 pages a day.
01:29:00.000So they stick bugs in their ears, a little receiver, and essentially the director's in the control room, and they shoot it like a soap opera.
01:30:36.000In his day job, he's doing shit and then watching trauma on TV. Well, she was telling me that her brother had a real severe sunburn to the point where it had blisters, where it's like, whoa, you really fucked this up.
01:31:46.000But when you watch someone like that, where you know they're going to get hurt, and then when they get hurt and it's really bad, you know that feeling that you get like a sharpness?
01:31:56.000Like almost like a sharpness in your cells?
01:32:45.000Somebody posted a picture today from a playground in the 1920s.
01:32:52.000And I don't know if it's real, because I really probably shouldn't be talking about it, but if it is real, like, Jesus Christ, these bars were like 50 feet off the ground.
01:33:01.000These kids are just climbing ladders and shit, these metal ladders.
01:33:04.000I mean, the way the setup looked like, today there's not a chance in hell you would let your kids play on this thing.
01:35:47.000Like, I was a child, if I saw monkey bars that high, number one, I didn't even go near the fucking monkey bars, but if I saw them that high, I'd be like, this is ridiculous.
01:35:56.000Like, this is clearly, clearly we're being filmed or something.
01:36:26.000Well, then you have to agree that we live in a better time because nobody ran on that platform in the election of like, hey, man, only the strong survive.
01:36:35.000So, you know, if your kid goes to the playground, falls off the muggy bars, that's on you.
01:36:39.000Well, we certainly are more protective of our children today.
01:36:43.000We understand child rearing and understand mortality.
01:36:47.000We understand the bad things that you can do to your kid while you're developing them.
01:36:54.000It's a weird catch-22, and you'll probably agree with me as a parent.
01:38:03.000The only thing that's wrong with that is the idea that she's not going to have to start making a living on her own.
01:38:10.000She's going to be able to carry forth under her dad's momentum.
01:38:14.000But the only reason why that's a problem, even remotely, is because we have this absurd idea that it should be super important for you to take care of yourself.
01:38:23.000That it should be super important for you to financially carry yourself.
01:38:55.000And then the more I thought about it, the more I said, well, it seems like when you give people money, it kills their motivation for a lot of folks.
01:39:02.000But what if that's just like your needs are covered?
01:39:06.000Is that really true, that if you give people something and you give them security, that it takes away their creativity?
01:39:13.000Or is this just, I mean, we don't know, because everybody's always been in need, they overcame that need, and then they became successful, right?
01:39:20.000That's the story that we hear over and over again.
01:39:22.000But what if all your needs were taken care of, like food, shelter?
01:39:28.000You're not going to get rich, but you have enough to eat, and you always have a roof over your head.
01:39:33.000First of all, wouldn't we like each other more if that was the case?
01:39:36.000If we didn't have to worry, if nobody had to worry about how much money they had, nobody had to worry about not being able to eat, nobody worried about not having a place to sleep.
01:39:51.000If you look at the amount of money we have versus the amount of people we have versus how much money people make, it's like, ooh, it's kind of close.
01:39:59.000Like, we would have to restructure a lot of shit, but it seems like they might be able to give every person $12,000 a year.
01:40:08.000And I think if we could figure out some sort of a way To do things like that, I think we would have a giant alleviation of tension and struggle at its, like, base level.
01:40:53.000We've got to figure out a way to make it easier to figure out what the fuck you want to do with your life.
01:40:58.000You shouldn't have to just dive into some job and be desperate.
01:41:02.000I mean, we were talking today, Jamie, about people that we know, that you know, that maybe wanted to do something else, but they played it safe, and now they're kind of stuck in this weird place where they can't get out of playing it safe because they have bills, and they get trapped.
01:41:16.000I feel like if we had some sort of like universal basic income, it's totally possible that way less people would do that and then more people would try to make independent films or more people would try to become stand-up comics or more people would try to write books or more people would try to build cars or do whatever the fuck they're compelled to do.
01:41:36.000How did you do it without getting twelve thousand free dollars a year?
01:43:01.000I really feel like it's possible that we're doing it wrong.
01:43:07.000I just think, collectively, and I've said this before, so if you heard me say it before, anybody listening, I apologize, but I always say that if we looked at ourselves as an organism, if we looked at society as an organism, what would we want to fix as an organism?
01:43:21.000Would we want to make the muscles stronger, or would we want to kill the cancer?
01:43:25.000Would we want to figure out what's wrong with it?
01:43:29.000Well, the disease has got to be poverty.
01:43:32.000Like, it's the number one problem that we have is crime and poverty.
01:43:36.000Like, we've got to focus on that area of our world.
01:43:39.000And instead of thinking of it as, oh, they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps or, oh, they need to fucking, you know, realize there's opportunity out there.
01:43:48.000I think collectively as just a human species, we have to look at the world's problems, like the world's real deep poverty and social problems, and look at it almost like as if we're a living creature.
01:44:01.000If we're a living creature and there's parts of us that are starving to death, you've got to get that part food, right?
01:44:29.000100 years, if you're lucky, you know, and this thing that we're doing now where we have a president, you know, and you have to fucking go out there and earn your keep, boy.
01:44:40.000And, you know, you get a job and, well, looks like you're gonna have to get married now.
01:45:38.000Something that doesn't have to stop just because now you've entered the workplace, now you're married, and now you're falling into place with the model for society.
01:45:49.000A space in there for, well, and I think maybe this is where I'm coming around to your free $12,000 a year.
01:45:56.000It's not my idea by any stretch of the imagination.
01:45:58.000The idea of free $12,000 a year because maybe it does leave a little breathing space where suddenly in that space somebody's like, oh, I want to do this and this would make me happy.
01:46:07.000And when I'm happy at this, it'll trickle down at work.
01:46:10.000Like so many people are like, I go from one job to this job and, you know, and then I get the weekends maybe and my weekends are Tuesday and Thursday or something like that.
01:47:11.000But this would make us feel like we're looking out for each other a little bit.
01:47:15.000I mean, I'm not fully formed on this idea.
01:47:19.000It's just something I'm battering around in my head.
01:47:21.000But I'm battering it around in my head the same way I'm battering around this idea that there shouldn't really be a president.
01:47:27.000It's only there because we've been doing it this way for 300 years.
01:47:32.000But if it didn't exist, there's no way that's how you would run it.
01:47:36.000There's no way we would all agree, well, what we should do is we should get one person who knows the most people with the most money, who have been doing this the longest, and that person will have a giant advantage over everybody else, and get that person backed up by these huge corporations that would benefit by this person being Because you'd make laws and make environmental rules a little bit lax so we can get away with some shit and we can make more money.
01:47:56.000There's no way we would say, yeah, let's do it that way.
01:47:58.000There's no fucking way we would say, no, we want the geniuses of the world.
01:48:02.000We want the professors, the Elon Musks.
01:48:06.000We want the Bill Gates, the people that are very wise and very intelligent and very rational.
01:48:12.000You want to talk to giant groups of them.
01:48:14.000And we want to form our own opinions, and we should all be voting collectively as a group.
01:48:19.000There shouldn't be some representative government, some electoral college.
01:48:23.000What are you gonna fucking wear a powdered wig to, you cunt?
01:48:26.000You gonna ride around on a fucking horse with some homemade horseshoes with your powdered wig and your electoral college?
01:48:33.000Are you gonna read it on a scroll in the town square standing on an apple box?
01:49:34.000That's the way I would need to be handled.
01:49:36.000But then for a compound bow, you have two possibilities that you're using it for.
01:49:41.000One, which is target archery, which is what I do more than anything.
01:49:44.000I shoot targets just in my yard and with friends, and I'll go to some ranges, and there's a place in Vegas I go to that's really cool.
01:49:52.000And doing that is like you don't need that much power, because it's just about figuring out where the arrow's going to go and being accurate about it.
01:49:59.000But then when you get to, if you wanted to hunt an animal with it, then you have a certain obligation to make sure that your bow is at least a certain amount, has a certain amount of power to it.
01:50:10.000And most people agree that somewhere around 45 or 50 pounds.
01:50:16.000But in Texas, I know they're like, I think they fought back a law because they were trying to keep kids from bow hunting unless they could pull back, I think it was 35 pounds or 45 pounds.
01:52:10.000One of those things where, you know, you confront...
01:52:13.000As much as I love this shit, I love comic books and whatnot, that was the moment where I was like, this shit falls apart.
01:52:18.000Like, you always find yourself defending the notion of a Batman to people like, come on, dude, if you had all the money and you lost your parents, you had all the time to fucking commit to your body, turning it into a weapon, you could be Batman.
01:52:43.000So if that can't exist, then this probably can't exist.
01:52:47.000Although, like we were talking about on an episode of Smodcast the other day, could...
01:52:53.000Could you, like, I saw a video they did on Penn& Teller, Penn& Teller were doing it, where somebody shot a bullet at a samurai sword, and, you know, they had it calibrated so it was hitting directly into the middle of the blade, and it split the bullet in two.
01:53:09.000And then the idea was, like, could a butter knife do the same thing?
01:53:12.000And, of course, the butter knife did the same thing.
01:53:14.000So it didn't matter if it was hammered a thousand times, razor's edge samurai sword or a butter knife, that bullet hitting that target split in two.
01:53:23.000So we were talking about it on the podcast.
01:53:25.000I was like, well, that to me, I said, that to me is proof now that you could fight crime with a katana sword.
01:53:32.000I was like, you have to be super fucking fast, I said to Scott.
01:53:37.000And Scott's making fun of me because he's gone.
01:53:39.000Because I said, I'm not saying you have to be Batman.
01:53:42.000He's like, and then I am saying you do have to be Batman.
01:53:45.000But I'm saying, like, if you were the guy who held a sword and somebody fired a bullet and it split, would the kickback of the bullet throw the sword into you?
01:53:55.000This thing was, a concrete block was holding the samurai sword.
01:53:58.000So, you know, we talked about it on the podcast, and then, God bless the internet, somebody sent us a link of some other fucking show where they had a guy holding a sword, like a samurai swordsman, like modern-day swordsman.
01:54:18.000Now, the other thing I watched, it was like, you know, they had the gun calibrated on a hinge and a laser scope so that it would hit exactly what they were going for.
01:59:24.000It's just, I mean, unless we comb every inch of the earth and we give an audit on every single living creature that is in the densest of dense forests, we can't really say that.
01:59:39.000And the Pacific Northwest where these things, the reason why it works, it works geologically or geographically because that animal existed in Asia.
01:59:49.000We know that humans came from Asia, like literally American Indians, Native Americans, they're from Siberia.
01:59:55.000Like they have the same DNA as people who came from Asia.
02:00:01.000So we were all connected to Pangaea or something like that?
02:00:02.000The whole thing has been connected and separated for as long as humans have been human, right?
02:00:08.000If we came from that area, we know that a bunch of other animals came from that area too, and they think that it's entirely possible that that big-ass monkey thing came from that area too.
02:04:16.000Yeah, it's entirely possible that we cannibalized Neanderthals as well.
02:04:21.000Maybe that's where the grim fairy tales come from, like the troll that comes to steal your baby and shit like that.
02:04:26.000I had this guy, Dr. Jordan Peterson from the University of Toronto the other day on the podcast, and he was telling me a story about how when the fall of the Soviet Union or in Russia in the 1930s and during Marxism, that they had signs, they had made signs telling people not to eat their children.
02:05:47.000Like in Papua New Guinea, the cannibals of New Guinea, they developed, I think it's called Jacob Korksfeld, which is technically mad cow disease.
02:08:43.000I mean, the concept of an undead human has been around forever, but calling it a zombie, it comes out of the graveyard, it wants to eat your brains.
02:08:52.000I don't think they ever said brains in that movie.
02:09:46.000Oh, because it was made by John Russo parted ways and reached the agreement that Russo would retain the rights to the living dead suffix while Romero agreed to use of the dead in any subsequent How funny, man.
02:10:00.000Those are the two dudes who came up with Night of the Living Dead.
02:10:02.000So he's like, you take Living Dead and I'll take of the whatever.
02:10:36.000Is that those things might have preyed on people and that we might have preyed on them.
02:10:40.000And that might be also what we did to the Neanderthals.
02:10:44.000They found Neanderthals, apparently, that had some scouring marks inside their heads.
02:10:49.000Like we might have, like, someone in the past might have killed a Neanderthal and then ate him and broke his brain open and scooped the brains out and cooked it.
02:11:00.000Super, super, super hard to survive 500,000 years ago.
02:11:05.000Put it in perspective when you're sitting around going like, man, the person I wanted to win the presidency didn't win the presidency.
02:11:10.000And you're like, there was a time, dude, where you'd be eating Neanderthals brains and you'd be sitting there going, never thought I'd be here, but you'd be doing it.
02:11:17.000And by the way, you would be one of the lucky ones.
02:11:21.000Because most people, they'd be eating your brains.
02:12:27.000Because the way they handle it in Tibet, the Himalayas, they take the body out, they score it, they chop it up into chunks, and then the vultures come in.
02:12:37.000And they get it down to the bone, and then they smash the bones up, and then the vultures come in and they consume the bones.
02:16:03.000It's such a catch-22, but when they kill the elephant, it's very beneficial to the environment because they can pay for more of the park rangers to protect the elephants against poachers, and then the people all around the village get the meat.
02:16:16.000The thing is, some places, elephants are endangered, but some places, the people decide there's a surplus, those elephants, because they're trampling on people's crops or eating people's stuff.
02:16:27.000You know, automatically you say, like, hey, you should never kill elephants, for sure.
02:16:31.000But the real problem is with some of these extremely poor people where elephants invade their crops, you can't do a goddamn thing.
02:16:39.000And those are the people that want help, and then they hire someone to come and kill an elephant.
02:16:45.000Way more complex than my teenage daughter May painted.
02:16:49.000Well, I mean, we would all like to think that human beings and elephants live so far away from each other that it was a non-issue, and we just let the elephants survive out there in the wild and leave them the fuck alone.
02:17:01.000The problem with that is they do live with people, and they live with people that are super poor, and they live with people that have houses that are made out of fucking hay, and they're people too.
02:17:10.000And as we all know, elephants like hay.
02:17:18.000There's a lot of it as trophy hunting.
02:17:20.000There's a lot of it as poachers trying to steal ivory.
02:17:22.000There's a lot of real darkness to killing elephants, no doubt about it.
02:17:26.000And ideally, no one should ever have to kill an elephant.
02:17:29.000But if you don't want those people to kill the elephants...
02:17:32.000Someone's got to figure out a way to at least capture them and make it valuable to transport them to some other part of Africa where they're not going to kill this guy or trample and eat all of his crops.
02:17:44.000Unless you don't give a fuck about the guy, and you don't care, and you say, well, that guy's going to have to starve to death because the elephant is just as important as a living organism as the guy is, which is another argument.
02:17:57.000Something has to fall in order for you to rise.
02:18:59.000I grew up in New Jersey, and you would imagine that, according to every joke you've ever heard, that's where I would have encountered a rat.
02:19:06.000Never encountered a rat in my life until...
02:25:10.000Whether it's revenge or whether she just knew that if that thing was alive, it presented a threat to the other baby and she had to kill it.
02:25:17.000Because if she let it go, eventually she would have to leave to come back to get food and the baby would be gone.
02:26:19.000You see them in the kitchen, open doors and shit?
02:26:21.000Well, they're not that smart, but they're smart enough to like, if I have rocks around my house, if I pick up a rock, the chickens will go towards it because they know there's bugs under it.
02:28:18.000Like some sort of consensus on what actually is a dinosaur, like how much of this belongs to the same animal, especially because you're dealing with fossilized remains.
02:28:27.000And the problem with fossilized remains are it's not really the bone anymore.
02:28:30.000It's like the bone disappears, it's replaced by minerals, and it makes this rock.
02:28:34.000Right, so you can't really do DNA tests on it for the most part, so you gotta find enough of them laid out in the same way where you agree that this was this animal.
02:28:43.000You know, and they've changed that over the, you know, time from the beginning of the first discoveries of dinosaurs to today.
02:28:49.000But now they've been doing it for so long, they have a pretty good idea.
02:28:52.000And then every now and then they find a new one, and they go, well, we'll check out this motherfucker.
02:29:36.000But then there's other people that point to the idea that the atmosphere itself was very different back then, and it might have been much richer and thicker, and it actually might have been able to support an animal like that easier.
02:30:17.000And so the animals that consumed life, whether it's in the form of plants, like a brontosaurus, or in meat, like a T-Rex, they just got bigger and bigger and bigger because there was so much to consume.
02:30:27.000There was no need to hold back their size.
02:30:31.000Whereas if you're a chimp or if you're a human, there's only so much you can eat.
02:30:34.000The more you eat, we've shown, The more people eat and the more prosperous their nation, the larger the people start to get, right?
02:30:41.000And so I think that it's entirely possible that that's the case with the world back then, that the whole world was like, it just supported bigger things.
02:30:49.000It was just more life, more green life, more animals for T-Rex to eat, and it was just this big fucking thick oxygenated soup of life.
02:31:04.000Probably bird and lizard because today we have crocodiles, we have Komodo dragons, and we have chickens, and we have eagles.
02:31:12.000An eagle is fucking clearly a lot like a dinosaur, right?
02:31:16.000This crazy ass thing with swords on its fingers and death in its eyes and it swoops down and it's got the strength to catch a fucking fish in the water and pull it out.
02:36:54.000One of the main reasons is they think that there's an ancient instinct that we have to protect ourselves from flying raptors.
02:37:01.000Because they found, you know, old hominids, like not necessarily humans, but in the human tree that had predation marks from eagles on the inside of their skulls.
02:37:30.000No, I don't, but apparently it's an instinct.
02:37:32.000I mean, I'm not mostly in the woods, like looking around in the forest, but apparently when you go to the forest, there's an instinct to look up.
02:37:38.000Also, you can be connected to cats, too, potentially.
02:37:41.000But most of the time, big cats are not hiding in the trees when they come down and get you, but they can be.
02:38:08.000I know a guy who got Lyme disease, misdiagnosed.
02:38:11.000Steven Kotler, a guest in the podcast really recently, misdiagnosed for about a year, wound up spending three years in the hospital because of it.
02:38:21.000Three years in the hospital because of Lyme disease wrecked his immune system.
02:38:25.000Because the misdiagnosis of over a year and all these different doctors told him it wasn't that, that's not what it is, you might be going crazy.
02:38:33.000One doctor told him he had AIDS. Are you fucking shitting me?
02:38:36.000Yes, the doctor told me, you have AIDS. He's like, what?
02:38:38.000It was during the time where a lot of people had AIDS, and he was saying, no, I think it's Lyme disease.
02:38:45.000And the doctor was like, no, you have AIDS. I'm like, holy shit.
02:38:48.000Because your immune system is devastated when you have Lyme disease.
02:39:46.000They're carriers, and that disease is insidious, and it's a tricky one, too, because it's oftentimes misdiagnosed, or especially what he was talking about, Kotler was saying that the doctors in California weren't really hip to it, because it's not common, but AIDS was more common,
02:40:03.000so that's one of the reasons why this guy...
02:41:34.000It's just, they're very soap operatic.
02:41:36.000You know, it's like very episodic and they throw in an adventure each week, but it's more about the relationship between the characters and stuff.
02:41:43.000That's kind of what you keep coming back for.
02:41:44.000It's a good balance of heart, humor, and heroics.
02:41:47.000Like, you know, they got the family stuff or friendship stuff.
02:41:50.000Like, yeah, it's important to be friends.
02:41:52.000Then they got some laughs, and then the heroics is like, holy shit, look at them run fast.
02:42:37.000But I do know it's also connected to other neurological disorders like Morgellons.
02:42:42.000Morgellons is a weird one where people think they have strands of fibers growing out of their body and oftentimes they have these crazy delusions.
02:42:50.000And what Kotler was saying was that it has a neurological effect.
02:42:54.000He didn't have like Morgellons disease.
02:42:57.000But one of the doctors that I interviewed about Morgellons was telling me that he believes it's connected to Lyme disease because Lyme disease has some sort of neurotoxicity effect.
02:43:07.000It has some sort of an effect where it distorts reality.
02:43:24.000And this neurotoxicity effect, this whatever it was doing to pollute his brain's ability to function correctly, The more gelance people think, it's also what makes you claw at your skin and think there's fibers in there and you start seeing shit.
02:43:38.000And then they get fibers from their clothes stuck to their scabs and they think that's growing out of their body.
02:43:44.000But it's more likely just an offshoot of Lyme.
02:43:48.000Because apparently when you get Lyme, you're not getting one bacteria.
02:43:52.000It's one of the reasons why the results that people have when they get bitten vary so widely.
02:43:59.000It's like there's a gang of different ones.
02:44:48.000Well, most likely the young body could probably bounce back from it better than the old body, but for a lot of people, like my friend Cody has it, he's like 26, I think, and he says his fucking joints hurt all the time, and that it's from having Lyme.
02:45:03.000Like from that point on, like his joints are always achy.
02:45:06.000I've not been bit by a tick, and I don't have Lyme disease, but lately I've noticed I'm 46 now, so I have noticed aging in a way that I haven't before.
02:45:48.000Unless you're thinking about walking heel-toe, I don't know if you necessarily fall into a heel-toe type pattern.
02:45:55.000Well, the real issue is there's a big issue with shoes.
02:45:59.000Like, the way we have constructed shoes, we've created a gate that's an unnatural, like, heel, toe, forward gate.
02:46:05.000Like, people always used to walk on the ball of their foot because the ball of the foot acts like a shock absorber.
02:46:10.000It allows you to slowly lower your heel down to the ground, which is why a lot of, like, those barefoot runners, they do so well.
02:46:18.000Like, if you're running barefoot all the time, you're developing, like, these incredibly strong feet, and they're springing.
02:46:24.000And they don't need, like, these big, thick cushions, but we, and I guess it was, like, the 1970s when Nike came out with a running shoe.
02:46:30.000They developed that big, fat-ass heel, and then people started running on the heel.
02:46:35.000They started bouncing on the heel instead of using the natural shock-absorbing motion You tell me a fucking shoe changed the way we walk as human beings?
02:50:07.000So I guess maybe turn of the century or the beginning, like 1900 or something like that, there were these little girls in England that photographed themselves playing with fairies.
02:51:22.000Those are two-dimensional images of fairies and pretty traditional fairy imagery.
02:51:28.000Years later, they revealed that they traced the images out of a popular book and put their own spins on them and then cut them out and took pictures with them.
02:51:38.000But Arthur Conan Doyle, the guy that wrote fucking Sherlock Holmes, like, really defended this shit, going, no, there are fairies.
02:51:46.000There is another world, and it's trying to break through.
02:51:49.000And these little girls have been in contact with it.
02:51:53.000You know, and he was ridiculed by over half the population because...
02:51:58.000A lot of people looked at that picture and saw what we see, which is kids with little cutouts, pictures of fairies.
02:52:21.000But there was a time, because you had somebody like Arthur Conan Doyle going, no, this is real, and spiritualism is a real thing, and there are other races and other beings, and fairies are real.
02:52:30.000Out there in the world defending it and stuff.
02:52:32.000And then finally, late in their lives, when they were nearly past...
02:52:37.000They said, yeah, we cut them out of a book.
02:52:40.000They admitted to something that you knew right away just by looking at the photo.
02:53:23.000If we live to be a few thousand years from now, if society goes down and then they rebuild computers a thousand years from now and they look at these old images but they don't have the capability then, yeah, totally possible.
02:53:35.000They'll be like, there was somebody standing on top of one of the Twin Towers when a plane came at it on September 11th.
02:53:41.000I remember seeing that picture and being like, holy fucking shit, how'd they find that camera?
02:54:48.000Hero to the game community because he created like arguably the greatest 3d shooter of all time a series of them doom quake quake 1 quake 2 quake 3 he In his spare time made rockets in his spare time.
02:55:02.000He was a rocket scientist So he was he was coding the most complicated 3d graphics engines known to man for video games right then in his spare times He's making rockets.
02:55:15.000He's a fucking rocket scientist for fun.
02:55:18.000Then, he would take Ferraris and turbocharge them.
02:55:22.000So he'd get these Ferraris, because he's got ungodly sums of money for making all these fucking crazy video games that have sold kabillions of copies, right?
02:55:29.000He's buying Ferraris and re-engineering their fucking engines.
02:57:32.000There was an argument by an economist, like a really well-respected economist, for universal basic income.
02:57:39.000And I think the number they were going by was $12,000 a year.
02:57:43.000Surprisingly supports universal basic income just Google that and because there was some Pretty prominent economist who actually understands the system, except for you and I. They're like, oh, I got enough money.
02:59:12.000He's advanced in age at this point, but that mind is sharp as a tack.
02:59:18.000And it's one of those minds you can be like, there's going to be a loss to lose that mind.
02:59:22.000He's thinking about things that a lot of others aren't.
02:59:24.000And his thing that spooked me big deal was...
02:59:28.000He said right now the whole world should be focused on the Russian front, on Russia and the Russian front, because that's where your hot spot of activities like the United States and Russia have come into conflict recently in a way that they haven't since the Cold War.
02:59:45.000And he's going, and now you're talking about two superpowers with the ability to destroy the planet.
02:59:49.000Shit that we haven't really thought about since the fucking 80s.
02:59:52.000And all of a sudden you're like, oh, is that what they meant by make America great again?
02:59:55.000Like, let's be scared of the possible nuclear annihilation?
02:59:59.000Because I hadn't thought about that in years, I'll be honest with you.
03:00:01.000That was another thing that bummed me out about the Clinton campaign.
03:00:37.000The problem is, if you say they did it, you gotta know for sure they did it.
03:00:41.000Otherwise, I'm gonna listen to you every time you say you know something for sure, and I'm like, this bitch definitely doesn't know for sure.
03:00:47.000You can't know for sure, because you don't have the information.
03:00:50.000If you did, you'd tell us what it was.
03:01:08.000You know, you might fill in the blank on a bunch of other important stuff and pretend you know when you don't know, because that's what you're doing.
03:01:13.000And I think that's another thing as a civilization.
03:01:19.000Like in Donald Trump, when he keeps talking about these millions of voters that illegally voted and kept him from winning the popular vote, you can't say that.
03:01:40.000When you do this thing, when you put your hand on the ancient book and you raise your right hand.
03:01:44.000I'm with you, but we're in the epsidazium now.
03:01:46.000Like, it doesn't matter what used to be, and there is no more you can't because of things like that, where you're like, well, you couldn't, but he did, and everything worked out fine.
03:02:23.000If you really want to say that you're so noble or you're so powerful or wise, whatever you are, whatever your attributes are, you're so awesome that you should be the president?
03:02:32.000Man, you can't be lying about illegal voters.
03:02:35.000Unless you have some data, you can't say it.
03:02:37.000Until you have some data, you can't say it.
03:02:39.000And once you say it, you've got to have some data.
03:02:41.000But he said a lot of things with no data whatsoever.
03:02:50.000I've just not grown comfortable with, but I think I have to learn to accept the fact that What I used to consider a fact is no longer a fact.
03:03:00.000People talk about facts in this real loose way now where they're just like, well, what is a fact?
03:03:04.000A fact to you may not be a fact to me.
03:03:05.000And it's like, well, that's not the definition of fact at all.
03:03:43.000Whether they're little tiny lies or whether they're leaps of faith or leaps of judgment or whether they're just full fabrications, you can't do any of them.
03:03:54.000Like, if anybody catches you, like, if you're in big government and, you know, there's a video of the FBI saying one thing and then you saying another thing.
03:04:00.000When the FBI told me this and the FBI saying explicitly what they told you and those things don't match.
03:04:25.000He was some theorized, I've read, that he kind of jumped on to the birther movement because he was like, well, if I ingratiate myself with this crowd, that'll be helpful if I want to run for president in a couple of years.
03:04:38.000Or he might have watched a YouTube video and believed it, too.
03:05:38.000And I don't want to, you know, paint it cynically.
03:05:44.000Like, this country has been here for a while, probably be here for a lot longer than our petty issues with it in the moment, if we have issues with it.
03:06:42.000And so, you know, we went to Buchenwald?
03:06:46.000The one that says, albeit mocked Fry over it, work will make you free, like the worst fucking lie.
03:06:52.000And it's, you know, obviously fucking sobering and horrible.
03:06:56.000And, you know, you're seeing the dimensions and spaces where things happened and whatnot.
03:07:01.000And you can't help but turn to the guy who was our cab driver who drove us for Berlin, which was like 40 minutes out of Berlin, maybe an hour out of Berlin, and then drove us back.
03:07:10.000And, you know, he was waiting with us while we were there, so he went through the concentration camp.
03:07:14.000He was born and raised in Germany, so I'm sure he's had to do this a number of times with school or something like that.
03:08:14.000You know, obviously September 11th is a very big historical moment in our lifetime.
03:08:18.000But I really felt like, well, you know, until like World War III, we're probably done with history for a little bit, which is a ridiculous fucking statement.
03:08:27.000But now I feel like we are living in a chapter in a history book.
03:08:31.000Some kid in the future is going to be looking at this chapter and being like...
03:08:36.000And I'm not saying again, like, I expect horrible things from this guy or anything.
03:08:39.000I'm just saying the world is vastly changed in a way that it's going to be recognized now, and it'll be recognized when they write the book on this year, and when they write the book on this year for years to come.
03:08:52.000Suddenly we're kind of in that moment as well.
03:09:17.000Culturally, it felt like, because I was just having this discussion with somebody else, but in the 70s, 60s into the 70s, you had this kind of Progressive, growing America where suddenly, you know, maybe there wasn't as much segregation and, you know,
03:09:33.000people were kind of developing, evolving and becoming more like the world we recognize now.
03:09:41.000And it felt like, you know, like by showing you stuff like All in the Family and whatnot, You know, arts tries to push the edge of the envelope at all times.
03:09:51.000Try to put normalcy into something that, you know, a situation that you maybe don't find normal.
03:09:56.000But if you see it on TV enough, you're like, hey, I'm over it.
03:09:59.000And suddenly it's for real and stuff like that.
03:10:02.000It felt like, you know, the 80s and Reagan, and again, I'm not a political creature by any stretch of the imagination.
03:10:07.000I lived through it, but I was not active during it by any stretch of the imagination.
03:10:11.000But it feels like that time was a reaction to the culture.
03:10:16.000Like, hey, things have gotten too loosey-goosey around here.
03:10:19.000And then things got conservative for eight years or maybe.
03:10:24.000And then it feels like things loosen up.
03:10:26.000I mean, again, I'm no political analyst, but it just seems like if you look over your history...
03:10:47.000And if you do that enough over the course of a nation, there's growth and you'll see the balance.
03:10:51.000But you've got a bunch of people that don't believe in the same...
03:10:56.000Don't even see the world through the same prism.
03:10:58.000So it just feels like, I don't know, I mean, maybe the idea, and again, a couple stoners talk about how to do the presidency better.
03:11:06.000Maybe you just have an agreement where it's like eight years of this, eight years of that, and that's only if it's a two-party system.
03:11:12.000Like, what if you come up with a four-party system and you're like, okay, you only get four years, and then it goes to this party right after, then this party, this party.
03:11:19.000Well, there's a multiple-party system.
03:11:21.000You have multiple independent parties.
03:11:23.000If you look at the ballot, a lot of other people wanted to run for president, right?
03:11:27.000Like Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, and I'm sure there were a bunch of other ones that we don't know.
03:11:31.000Yeah, there was Zoltan Istvan, who's the...
03:11:34.000He's the transcendent or transhumanist party.
03:11:37.000There's like a lot of people ran, but that's...
03:12:22.000And we're concentrating on whether or not gay people should be able to marry or girls should be able to get abortions or whether or not Black Lives Matter.
03:12:31.000We're fucking hurling through infinity.
03:12:35.000This slow process of realization coincides with the innovation that you're seeing from all these different new technology companies that are coming up with better and better ways to communicate, whether it's cellular or fucking video or whether they're using Snapchat or virtual reality rooms where they can all meet in.
03:12:54.000And it's going to keep going and going and going and going and going and going until we're in some sort of a matrix-like world.
03:13:07.000And I think we might not even have a choice.
03:13:10.000I think it's entirely possible we're going to create a new form of life, some new artificial form of life, and that thing is going to be what goes on from now.
03:13:19.000We're going to merge with that somehow.
03:13:22.000We're going to find out that they can give you new eyes when your eyes go bad, and these eyes allow you to look at navigation screens and Google things, and you're going to be able to stare straight at the sun.
03:13:36.000It's inevitable that we're going to improve upon the human body.
03:13:39.000They're already replacing people's hips and shoulders and knees.
03:13:43.000They're growing fucking hearts in a laboratory with stem cells that actually beat.
03:13:47.000They created a woman's bladder out of stem cells.
03:14:17.000It's like, you're never separated from that phone.
03:14:20.000Like, I get up from the side of the bed, I pick it up and go to the bathroom because I'm like, well, I might want to play a game or I might want to look up some information.
03:14:27.000Like, there seems to be a human need for data at all times now.
03:14:31.000We've trained ourselves to have data at our fingertips.
03:14:34.000We no longer sit there and go, what is that person's name?
03:14:37.000Now you're just like, oh, I'll look it up.
03:14:39.000So a lot of our thinking has been pushed off to...
03:17:15.000And this idea, I mean, if you could get to the point where you're talking to your phone and you tell your phone to order you a pizza and pay for it in Bitcoin and it's doing everything digitally and it's Bitcoin or Bitcoin?
03:19:24.000But now, you can legitimately get a full college education online.
03:19:28.000Plus, you can read a million different papers on all sorts of different things, especially if you want to pay for them, on all sorts of different studies.
03:19:36.000You get smarter online than you could actually in a classroom.
03:19:39.000You could almost never run out of things to absorb, almost never run out of information.
03:19:44.000And I think that that's the one thing that technology seems to be embracing, is closing the gap between people and data, closing the gap between people and information.
03:19:54.000Well, eventually, that money is going to be the only bottleneck.
03:20:37.000We should all have access to all the information.
03:20:39.000And then it's going to be some weird merging of digital minds, some sort of a hive mind system created by something like Google or some company that figures out a way to allow people to communicate thought to thought, and it's going to have Money attached to it.
03:21:40.000There's not enough because everywhere else, like hacking has exponentially increased over the course of the last few years by double the amount that it was.
03:21:49.000And that's why you're seeing things like, they took down Sony.
03:23:41.000You don't just smoke and be like, damn it, life's good.
03:23:45.000You smoke and go deep on the big think, on stuff that, like...
03:23:49.000Like you pointed out, very few people do, it's usually stoners, that the big issues are, that we all think of the big issues, are nothing compared to like, you do recall, we're hurtling through space on a fucking rock.
03:24:39.000That's what I always like about you, man.
03:24:40.000You're not content to just be like, I think I know everything there is pretty much to know that I'm interested in the rest I'm really not interested in.
03:26:29.000I said, but now I'm of this mind that, like, you know what, we follow this Bible and it's supposed to be the Word of God, but, like, thousands of years ago, there were a bunch of people that followed a bunch of other books that said there were multiple gods, and now we read those books and go, isn't that fucking quaint?
03:26:45.000These fuckers thought there were twelve gods, one for each thing that ever happened in the day.
03:26:49.000I said, I'm afraid one day that they're going to turn around and say the same thing about our book.
03:26:54.000I just don't believe like I believed when I was a kid.
03:26:58.000And the priest said something really smart.
03:27:21.000He's like, periodically you gotta refill the glass.
03:27:23.000Now he was talking about faith and shit, but that goes for anything.
03:27:26.000Even goes for intellectual pursuits or just the person who's the seeker, who's not content to just be like, I see it all as it is and I think I understand it now.
03:27:39.000You always understand there's more to understand and you go looking for the, not just like, hey, that's kind of fucked up and interesting, but what's really ultimately important.
03:27:48.000If you scrape away all the stuff that we kind of concern ourselves with, the shit you think about, like, you know, and again, this is just from fucking listening to some podcast and mostly looking at your Instagram thread.
03:27:58.000Is shit that's, like, useful if it all went away.
03:28:02.000And it's not just like, you know, I know how to live off the land and stuff.
03:28:05.000You're thinking big think about where the mind goes.
03:28:09.000You know, like, most people look like you, strong and shit like that.
03:28:13.000Don't fucking think nearly as much as you think.
03:28:16.000I know that's a stereotype, but it's true.
03:28:17.000You can't develop one set of muscles and concentrate on another.
03:28:21.000Generally speaking, you either concentrate on building your brain, building your body.
03:28:24.000You found a perfect way to build both.
03:28:47.000He became obsessed with jiu-jitsu and now has a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under Marcelo Garcia, like one of the most respected Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioners of the last couple decades.
03:28:56.000So all I'm hearing is now good at two things, chess and jiu-jitsu.
03:30:16.000Marcello takes his back, and he holds onto the choke, and Shaolin tries to squirm out of it, but he locks in the choke, and now Shaolin's trying to fight gallantly, but he goes to sleep.
03:30:26.000He's out cold here, and the referee stops it.
03:30:29.000As soon as they realize, now he's out cold.
03:30:31.000So Marcello gets off of him and walks away, and Shaolin wakes up just a second later.
03:31:27.000It was over, but then he gets up again.
03:31:28.000Well, the thing about jiu-jitsu, though, is those moments happen a lot.
03:31:31.000So, like, if you go to a jiu-jitsu class, it's very likely you might get choked out three, four times by one person.
03:31:37.000Like, if you roll with some guy who's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt and you're, like, a blue belt, pretty likely he's going to get you at least a couple times while you roll with him, unless you're, like, really agile and really good at defending yourself.
03:33:33.000Especially if they're not resisting, like if they're hurt already and they're relaxed, you could just put them to sleep.
03:33:40.000If someone gets hit first and then they get choked and they don't defend it quickly enough, like if they're out of it and then they get choked, they just go to sleep.
03:34:56.000You certainly could do everything that I do.
03:34:59.000Admire and envy someone's freedom in life and still not want to do it yourself.
03:35:04.000Generally speaking, when you look at somebody and be like, I wish I was like that, you want to do the things they do or be the person they are.
03:35:10.000But instead, I can look at you and appreciate what you do and who you are and never once be like, yeah, that's what I'm going to do.
03:38:29.000You hear that music, it takes you not to the present, but right back to your childhood.
03:38:33.000So lately, even though I've never been a country person, I find more country leaking into my life and it has everything to do with my father or something like that.
03:38:40.000So I went to see this show and it was like, I might as well have taken my dad with me.
03:39:56.000I saw her at the Hollywood Bowl a month ago, and then I took Mom to see her in Tampa.
03:40:01.000And that was more like, hey, Dad would love this.
03:40:04.000But she had this weird moment where she met Dolly and you're talking about two 70-year-old women.
03:40:10.000And my mom went in for a fucking kiss.
03:40:13.000Not like, I want to French you, but just like the way you would kiss a friend.
03:40:16.000And then you could see Dolly, who's had to politically maneuver strangers for 50 years or so, figure out, do I say, hey, I don't kiss strangers, or do I just hug her?
03:41:10.000She comes out with a box of Like funeral mass cards.
03:41:13.000Like when somebody dies, you go to a funeral, there's a little trading card that has a picture of a saint and on the back has a person's name and when they were born and when they were dead.
03:41:21.000My mom has like a collection, the way you would collect baseball cards and shit.
03:41:24.000And we spread them all out on the table.
03:41:26.000There's 12 significant deaths in our family.
03:41:28.000She had lots more, but the ones that would matter to both me and her in our immediate zone of family.
03:41:35.000And between 12 deaths, I was able to quiz my mother, like, who died in 1980?
03:41:40.000And she was like, oh, that was Grandpa Smith.
03:41:42.000Like, she is, my mom's obsessed with death, but not in a, like, death is metal.
03:41:46.000When she was a child in Catholic school, they tried to explain hell to her, you know, like, as you do in Catholic school.
03:41:53.000And she was fucking far too young to get the idea, so death has been her obsession her whole life.
03:41:59.000Stopping it from like taking not just her her but her family you know she lost her husband to it we all death is just a natural part of the process you're freaking me out man my mom finds it like she's terrified by it now I as a creative person and I wonder if you feel the same way and I fancy myself a creative person some people like you're not very creative but I fancy myself a creative person no caveats death To me,
03:42:22.000it's not scary as much as a repugnant idea, where you're like, what?
03:42:32.000I've got so many more jokes to tell and shit like that.
03:42:35.000Death to people who make stuff like us, and that's why you might be the exception, because you deal with death on a regular basis with hunting and shit like that.
03:42:45.000It's just something that probably enters your purview far more than mine.
03:42:49.000But it is one of those things, man, where you're like, wow, I hadn't really thought about that too often.
03:43:45.000But I guess there could be a time in my life where, you know, everyone you know and love has passed and you just get to a place where you're like, you know what, I'm okay.
03:44:05.000Leonard Cohen did an interview before he passed, like five months, five weeks maybe before he passed, where he was like, yeah, I'm ready for death.
03:44:13.000He's going, I've pretty much done everything I've wanted to do, and I'm ready for it.
03:44:17.000And he went fairly shortly thereafter.
03:48:38.000If you're eating elk again, it's not a one-time experience where you're like, I've eaten elk when I was 14, and of course, that's when a man eats elk and never again.
03:48:48.000So they got to expect you might redo a meal.
03:48:50.000If I give you something, will you cook it?
03:53:00.000As a matter of fact, PETA developed a whole campaign to try to get people to stop eating chicken eggs by calling it a menstrual cycle and also showing a fucking frying pan with a bloody maxi pad sitting in the frying pan.
03:53:17.000I don't know if that's very effective.
03:54:06.000People put up a little meme, there's a picture of you talking on stage, and they put up a bit of your routine we talked about right before the show.
03:55:01.000What's not gross is a chicken living in a chicken house that occasionally lays an egg, and when they lay an egg, then they just wander off, and they just wander around the yard and peck at grass and do chicken stuff.
03:55:14.000If a chicken is living in a healthy environment, they're not even scared of you.
03:55:18.000Like, I go near my chickens all the time.
03:57:13.000And the stake, as long as they put it through the right spot, although you have massive internal bleeding, the stake kind of keeps it all in there.
03:58:32.000And he's sitting there eating while all these people are on steaks in front of him.
03:58:35.000And of course, you know, you have to sort of process like how much of that was myth, how much of that was folklore, how much of it was real.
03:58:57.000Whenever you're talking about people and you definitively describe who they were and what they were and you know how...
03:59:03.000History just gets so twisted and distorted, especially back when there was no videotapes and no, you know, they weren't even writing things down.
03:59:09.000We were literally looking at drawings going like, wow.
04:01:31.000We have these fun conversations, but I think we spend so much time complimenting each other because we like it because we don't have to be like, then we can get deep.
04:01:39.000We can go deep on other things, not each other.
04:01:41.000Yeah, because if we compliment each other like every time, people would be like, these guys are super gay for each other.
04:01:46.000Yeah, to be fair though, we've only done it like every four years.