The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #890

00:00:00.000 Young Jamie.

00:00:06.000 Yeah!

00:00:07.000 Merry Christmas, motherfuckers.

00:00:08.000 Oh, shit.

00:00:10.000 Brendan Shaw with the Gucci shoes on, how dare you.

00:00:13.000 The gold watch on, how dare you.

00:00:16.000 And he's got camo with polka dots.

00:00:19.000 I wore this just for you.

00:00:20.000 I thought that was boring.

00:00:22.000 I thought, dude, yeah.

00:00:23.000 What does that mean?

00:00:24.000 It says blind on one shoe and love on the other.

00:00:27.000 Oh, good lord.

00:00:28.000 How dare you even leave the house?

00:00:29.000 I wore it just for you, brother.

00:00:30.000 The shoes you did, motherfucker.

00:00:32.000 You like those shoes.

00:00:33.000 I love the shoes.

00:00:33.000 The camo shirt I wore just for you.

00:00:36.000 I thought, it's a little bit of Rogan.

00:00:37.000 It's a little bit of my style.

00:00:39.000 Camo with polka dots on it.

00:00:40.000 What's up, son?

00:00:41.000 I feel like the day George Michael died, it's like a good jacket to have on.

00:00:45.000 What did he die of?

00:00:46.000 He had a heart attack, apparently.

00:00:48.000 Parting?

00:00:48.000 Yo, that one was hard for me.

00:00:50.000 Really?

00:00:50.000 Fucking love that guy.

00:00:52.000 That song, Freedom?

00:00:53.000 Yeah.

00:00:54.000 That's a fucking jam.

00:00:56.000 That song has like four parts.

00:00:58.000 Yeah.

00:00:58.000 People don't understand that there's like, I think it's four, but every part is just amazing.

00:01:04.000 That's a great fucking song.

00:01:06.000 It's a great song.

00:01:07.000 I'm a little too young to realize how big the idea was.

00:01:10.000 I wish I could play it.

00:01:11.000 We'll definitely get kicked off YouTube if we play it and we put it on YouTube.

00:01:14.000 But there's that video that they made with all those supermodels.

00:01:18.000 So Christy Turlington and all those Naomi Campbell and all those different supermodels.

00:01:23.000 And they're all wandering around.

00:01:24.000 And they're singing the song.

00:01:26.000 They're like lip syncing it.

00:01:27.000 That's the video?

00:01:28.000 Yeah, it's fucking amazing.

00:01:29.000 Yeah.

00:01:30.000 I just know.

00:01:30.000 They'd wake me up before I eat cocoa.

00:01:32.000 That's in Zoolander.

00:01:33.000 He had some ridiculous songs, you know.

00:01:36.000 Oh yeah, that wham stuff.

00:01:38.000 I like freedom.

00:01:41.000 I think freedom is the only one I ever liked.

00:01:43.000 I didn't like, you know, like, wake me up before we go-go.

00:01:46.000 Come on, that's a terrible song.

00:01:47.000 There's the video for it.

00:01:48.000 Kind of, or it's awesome.

00:01:49.000 Did you like I Want Your Sex?

00:01:51.000 I'm not mad at it.

00:01:52.000 I'm not mad at it at all.

00:01:53.000 You gotta have faith.

00:01:55.000 Wasn't a fan of that.

00:01:57.000 What?

00:01:58.000 I respect the shit out of them.

00:02:00.000 The guy's awesome.

00:02:01.000 He's so good.

00:02:03.000 He's so good.

00:02:05.000 I love that he got caught.

00:02:09.000 On his knees with an undercover cop or something like that, and no one gave a shit.

00:02:13.000 Like, no one gave a shit.

00:02:14.000 Well, he was loud about it, too.

00:02:15.000 He's so good, you're like, who cares?

00:02:17.000 So, wait a minute.

00:02:18.000 Here's my problem with that.

00:02:19.000 What the fuck did the undercover cop say to get him on his knees to suck his dick?

00:02:24.000 Oh, you're gay, bro!

00:02:25.000 We knew it!

00:02:26.000 Arrest him!

00:02:26.000 No, no, no.

00:02:27.000 How did it start off?

00:02:28.000 It wasn't like the undercover cop was like, hey, how about those Lakers?

00:02:31.000 No, he was probably like, hey, you want your dick sucked?

00:02:33.000 Like, I'll suck your dick, you suck mine.

00:02:35.000 Like, he probably said something.

00:02:36.000 They probably don't say suck dick, they probably got code word.

00:02:39.000 Code word.

00:02:40.000 Code word, right?

00:02:41.000 You want some sausage, bro?

00:02:44.000 What do they say?

00:02:45.000 What are you looking for, bro?

00:02:46.000 Looking for some friendship?

00:02:49.000 I'm looking for some friendship, great.

00:02:52.000 I got some friendship for ya.

00:02:53.000 Do you remember when that senator or congressman or some shit?

00:02:58.000 That guy who was an anti-gay crusader, always my favorite dudes, got caught in a bathroom stall in Minneapolis, and he was doing that foot-tapping thing.

00:03:07.000 They have a code.

00:03:09.000 Morse code for gay.

00:03:10.000 You tap your feet four times and dudes will let you into the stall and you suck each other off.

00:03:15.000 That's what happens when dudes are into dudes, right?

00:03:20.000 When these kind of dudes are into dudes, when these kind of dudes are into dudes, yeah.

00:03:25.000 But I think if...

00:03:26.000 I think it generally...

00:03:28.000 It's so ridiculous.

00:03:29.000 I think generally...

00:03:32.000 Dude, you watch Modern Family?

00:03:34.000 You ever watch that?

00:03:35.000 No.

00:03:35.000 Do they have...

00:03:37.000 It's a few families, and they have a gay family.

00:03:40.000 They have two dudes, and they adopted a girl.

00:03:43.000 She's an Asian girl.

00:03:44.000 But those guys, there's been a couple episodes where this is on ABC, Modern Family, where the gay couple, some college boys move in next door, and then one of the guys is hanging out with them, and he feels like he's in college again,

00:03:59.000 and he's partying with them, and he kind of has a crush on On one of the guys, like the main guy, and his husband is like, you got a crush.

00:04:08.000 They're talking about her, and he's like, no, I don't have a crush, but it's obvious that he does, and it's okay.

00:04:14.000 That's fine.

00:04:15.000 I think that's fine.

00:04:16.000 No, I know, but if it was a heterosexual couple, there would never be a situation like that.

00:04:22.000 Oh, they've done that before on shows like that.

00:04:24.000 No!

00:04:24.000 Think about it, a couple- Where a guy had a crush on someone's wife?

00:04:28.000 For sure.

00:04:30.000 And a hot neighbor moves in.

00:04:32.000 Right, but it is like where the guy's like admitting that he has a crush on the neighbor's wife blatantly?

00:04:38.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:04:38.000 No, it's more like there's a heterosexual couple in the sitcom and a bunch of girls move in next door and then the guy's hanging out with the girls and he has a crush on one of the girls and it's okay with his wife.

00:04:55.000 He thinks it's kind of cute.

00:04:58.000 That's weird, right?

00:04:59.000 That would never happen.

00:05:00.000 I'm confused then.

00:05:02.000 I've never watched this show, so help me out.

00:05:04.000 Is the husband gay?

00:05:05.000 I don't know what you're saying.

00:05:06.000 Yeah, it's a gay couple.

00:05:07.000 It's a gay couple.

00:05:08.000 A gay couple.

00:05:09.000 And a young...

00:05:10.000 College kids moving next door.

00:05:12.000 And one of the gay couples...

00:05:15.000 He's crushing on the young kids.

00:05:17.000 He's crushing on one of the guys that moved in next door and it's kind of a cutesy crush.

00:05:23.000 Oh, wow.

00:05:23.000 And they're really blatant about it.

00:05:25.000 Like, he comes over and there's, like, these moments of, like, he's being flustered.

00:05:30.000 And I have nothing against that, but I'm just saying you would never see that in a heterosexual couple on ABC. No.

00:05:37.000 On ABC? That's some hardcore stuff right there.

00:05:40.000 I think even though a lot of times...

00:05:42.000 What is that about?

00:05:42.000 Well, a lot of times gay couples will take, like, traditional sort of almost...

00:05:46.000 Husband and wife type roles like that's really common for sure One of the one of the guys makes all the money and the other guy sort of stays at home And maybe they even adopt a kid and he like raises him like a mom like yeah like so but I think ultimately we still Accept that gay guys are guys and the guys are just gonna be different the same is like Two girls becoming lesbian.

00:06:11.000 People aren't asexual if they're gay.

00:06:14.000 So people becoming lesbians, they probably have a different attitude about monogamy than people becoming gay.

00:06:20.000 I would just imagine.

00:06:21.000 Yeah, it seems like overall lesbians are in love and they're monogamous.

00:06:28.000 It seems that way.

00:06:29.000 And it seems like gay dudes are open about not being monogamous and they're cool about it.

00:06:34.000 I don't know too much.

00:06:35.000 I don't know too many lesbians where I've gone deep into their life.

00:06:39.000 It seems like they're more monogamous.

00:06:41.000 It seems like generally lesbians are more girly and monogamous and ball in love with each other.

00:06:46.000 I feel like super weird about asking that kind of shit to a lesbian.

00:06:50.000 Like a gay dude?

00:06:51.000 I could ask a gay dude.

00:06:52.000 Like Justin Martindale?

00:06:53.000 I could ask that dude anything.

00:06:55.000 Yeah, they're generally wilder, right?

00:06:57.000 They're like guys.

00:06:58.000 Guys are like guys and girls are like girls.

00:07:00.000 Whether they're lesbians or gay dudes.

00:07:02.000 Even if a girl's like a super masculine male, a butchy gay girl, I still don't feel comfortable asking how it works.

00:07:13.000 They might get offended, right?

00:07:16.000 There's not lesbians meeting each other in bathrooms.

00:07:18.000 It's not girls doing that.

00:07:20.000 Right?

00:07:21.000 Generally, that doesn't happen.

00:07:22.000 It's usually guys.

00:07:24.000 In the movies, they push each other into a stall and they start making out.

00:07:27.000 In the heterosexual world, what percentage of strip clubs in the United States are for men?

00:07:34.000 Well, there's a lot more, for sure.

00:07:37.000 Isn't that weird?

00:07:38.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:07:40.000 There's like one Chippendales somewhere in the county.

00:07:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:45.000 You can find it.

00:07:47.000 You've got to do some research, and they're only open on, you know, you've got to make your reservations and shit.

00:07:53.000 And the fucking, like, it's a different experience.

00:07:56.000 Like, when girls go to see men strip, they scream.

00:08:00.000 They scream, and they throw money in the air, and they get crazy, and they'll rub their face on the dude's dicks.

00:08:07.000 Like, girls at bachelorette parties, they go fucking crazy, man.

00:08:10.000 They get wild.

00:08:10.000 They get loose.

00:08:11.000 Is it because they don't go as much, like, as often, you know what I'm saying?

00:08:14.000 It's just they made an agreement.

00:08:15.000 They could go off on bachelorette parties, and they're not going to say shit.

00:08:19.000 It's like, what happens if the bachelorette party stays there?

00:08:23.000 I had a friend of mine who I used to do Taekwondo with that was a male stripper.

00:08:28.000 Two friends of mine, actually.

00:08:29.000 One was this young Puerto Rican kid, and the other one was this older white dude.

00:08:33.000 And the older white dude was a really nice guy, a very smart guy, but he was like...

00:08:38.000 Over-the-top strange.

00:08:40.000 Big jacked.

00:08:41.000 Was he shredded, though?

00:08:42.000 Jacked.

00:08:42.000 Black belt.

00:08:43.000 Have to be.

00:08:44.000 Black belt martial artist.

00:08:46.000 He was a big jacked dude, you know, but he was telling me, he was like, these women, they go fucking crazy.

00:08:50.000 Like, it gets really weird.

00:08:51.000 Scratch and clumb and shit.

00:08:52.000 They just suck his dick.

00:08:53.000 They would just suck his dick in front of their friends.

00:08:56.000 Like, girls that were getting married would just suck his dick in front of their friends.

00:08:58.000 Hey, man!

00:08:59.000 Cut to the guy's strip club.

00:09:01.000 Dude's by himself in the corner all quiet as fuck, man.

00:09:04.000 Just getting fucking lap pants and shit.

00:09:07.000 Paying.

00:09:08.000 I was working in the strip clubs when it was dead as fuck.

00:09:12.000 I worked those Saturday day shifts.

00:09:15.000 Yeah, that shitty shift.

00:09:15.000 Where you open up at 11 and there's one girl and no dudes and you're just waiting.

00:09:21.000 You're just waiting.

00:09:23.000 You're looking at the security cameras to see.

00:09:25.000 Oh, we got it, dude!

00:09:26.000 And then one guy walks in, boom, and he's sitting there, and he's just, it's Saturday, 1.15.

00:09:32.000 Just a loser.

00:09:33.000 Terrible!

00:09:34.000 We have one girl, she's fucking ragged.

00:09:39.000 Everyone gets the shitty shit.

00:09:41.000 And I'm sitting there playing Depeche Mode and shit.

00:09:48.000 Dude, it was dark.

00:09:51.000 I had friends like, dude, you're so lucky you were in a strip club.

00:09:55.000 It's not what it seems.

00:09:58.000 It's not what it looks like.

00:10:00.000 They think of it as just orgies going on, and I'm DJing and eating pussy at the same time.

00:10:10.000 My friends are like, dude, give me a job there.

00:10:12.000 I'll just pick up Cokes and shit.

00:10:14.000 For free.

00:10:17.000 Larry said that.

00:10:18.000 Larry's like, man, you're so lucky.

00:10:21.000 I'm like, ah.

00:10:22.000 But then you end up moving up and getting good shifts.

00:10:25.000 You just wait.

00:10:26.000 For the night shift?

00:10:26.000 DJing, yeah.

00:10:27.000 When you first get in, you get the worst shifts.

00:10:29.000 Saturday day, Monday day.

00:10:32.000 Saturday day, Monday day.

00:10:33.000 You gotta get your foot in the door.

00:10:35.000 Darkness.

00:10:36.000 Just dead.

00:10:37.000 There's a UFC fighter who's a stripper for a while.

00:10:39.000 Crunshaw.

00:10:40.000 Remember him?

00:10:41.000 Detroit superstar?

00:10:42.000 Yeah, he's over in Japan now.

00:10:43.000 Yeah.

00:10:44.000 He's fighting for Ryzen.

00:10:45.000 Oh, that's right.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, he's over there now.

00:10:47.000 He was a male stripper.

00:10:48.000 He's a funny dude, man.

00:10:49.000 He's got a hilarious mustache now, too.

00:10:52.000 Follow his Instagram.

00:10:53.000 It's awesome.

00:10:53.000 Really?

00:10:54.000 It's just him shooting things.

00:10:55.000 He's a fucking savage.

00:10:56.000 Who's this?

00:10:56.000 Detroit superstar.

00:10:58.000 He used to fight in the UFC? Yeah.

00:10:59.000 Darren Crookshank probably runs through more rounds of ammunition than anyone in this entire town in a year.

00:11:05.000 Fuck yeah, he's crazy.

00:11:06.000 He's out there shooting shit constantly.

00:11:08.000 His Instagram is all just him gunning things down.

00:11:11.000 He's a wild motherfucker, dude.

00:11:13.000 He's fun to watch fight.

00:11:14.000 He's a good fighter.

00:11:15.000 You know, he was getting more and more comfortable with keeping fights standing.

00:11:19.000 Yes.

00:11:19.000 And when he became more and more comfortable keeping fights standing, then you get to see how good his kickboxing skill is.

00:11:24.000 He's a really good kickboxer, really good I know, I say kickboxing, I mean, his boxing is really...

00:11:29.000 He's a traditional martial artist, basically, right?

00:11:31.000 Like, what was his original background?

00:11:34.000 Karate or taekwondo, wasn't it?

00:11:35.000 Really, really good kicker, man.

00:11:37.000 Really good kicker.

00:11:38.000 And so, like, you know, when a guy like that makes that transition, he's fucking...

00:11:43.000 That's hilarious.

00:11:45.000 Jacked with a candy cane for his dick.

00:11:47.000 Look at that.

00:11:48.000 Go back to that, Jamie.

00:11:49.000 He's not messing around.

00:11:52.000 Look at the first one you see.

00:11:55.000 The first one you see is, if you click on that video, it's Darren Crookshack just fucking going crazy with a machine gun.

00:12:01.000 He's just fucking shooting things constantly, man.

00:12:04.000 Look at this dude.

00:12:06.000 Dude, he's ready for the apocalypse.

00:12:08.000 Oh, dude, if the fucking shit goes down, go to Darren Crookshank's house.

00:12:13.000 Ask if you can get in.

00:12:16.000 Look at this dude.

00:12:17.000 He's a character, man.

00:12:18.000 Look at another video.

00:12:19.000 He's got a picture of all these Japanese girls staring at his package.

00:12:24.000 Legit.

00:12:24.000 Like they're lasering in on his dick.

00:12:25.000 Legit, that is what they're doing.

00:12:27.000 That is what they're doing.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, it is.

00:12:28.000 Damn!

00:12:29.000 Legit.

00:12:29.000 He's killing it out there.

00:12:31.000 Whoa.

00:12:32.000 I mean, that's a hilarious picture, though.

00:12:33.000 He's a funny dude, man.

00:12:35.000 See, I don't think the UFC figured out how to recognize that.

00:12:41.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:12:42.000 How many dudes that you see fight are kind of almost like, on the outside, they're bland, like everyone's the same?

00:12:50.000 Because you don't get to know them.

00:12:51.000 You don't get to know all their weirdness.

00:12:53.000 So you don't care when they fight.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, it's different.

00:12:58.000 It's flat, right?

00:12:59.000 It's flat, so you need a story, but on a reason why to tune into the fight.

00:13:03.000 Crunshaw has a great story.

00:13:04.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 He's a great story, man.

00:13:06.000 Do you think some people wore certain shorts, and you recognize him by their shorts, like with Sakuraba, he had the orange shorts, you know what I mean?

00:13:17.000 Tito had the flames.

00:13:18.000 Yeah.

00:13:19.000 And now that everyone has to- Everybody's all Reeboked.

00:13:22.000 It takes away a little value if what you're saying is correct.

00:13:27.000 If adding personality adds value to the fighters, which adds value to the show.

00:13:34.000 Correct.

00:13:34.000 100%.

00:13:34.000 So actually letting them and encouraging them and letting them wear rash guards and shit.

00:13:38.000 You want to be the fighter that wears a rash guard?

00:13:40.000 Fuck.

00:13:41.000 It's not a problem in women's MMA. I don't see why it would be a problem in men's MMA. Show me the logic there.

00:13:47.000 They should encourage fighters to wear different shit.

00:13:52.000 Can you imagine spats?

00:13:54.000 I know.

00:13:55.000 Why can't you wear them?

00:13:56.000 For grip?

00:13:57.000 If girls can wear them.

00:13:58.000 I mean, girls are wearing rash guards.

00:14:00.000 I mean, rash guard will fucking help your grappling for sure.

00:14:05.000 Huge.

00:14:05.000 It's a big factor.

00:14:06.000 It's a big factor.

00:14:09.000 Why they don't allow...

00:14:10.000 I mean, they just haven't really thought about it.

00:14:12.000 No one's actually just sat them down.

00:14:14.000 You know how the best?

00:14:15.000 Melvin Manhoof, when he fought in K-1.

00:14:17.000 He wore them gladiator type...

00:14:18.000 Talking about the Spartan gladiator?

00:14:19.000 Yeah.

00:14:20.000 He started wearing those things.

00:14:22.000 You know who started that?

00:14:22.000 I want to see it.

00:14:23.000 You remember who started that?

00:14:25.000 McDonald.

00:14:26.000 McDonald?

00:14:27.000 I'll go you one better.

00:14:28.000 Alexis Arguello.

00:14:29.000 No, not Alexis Arguello.

00:14:31.000 Dennis Alexio.

00:14:32.000 Oh, that's right.

00:14:33.000 Dennis Alexio used to fight in a grass skirt.

00:14:35.000 Straight up, old school.

00:14:36.000 He fought in a straight up Hawaiian grass skirt.

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:39.000 McDonald had like straight Spartan.

00:14:41.000 How about Shinya Yoki when he was wearing them yellow tights and the rainbow?

00:14:44.000 He was known for his tights.

00:14:46.000 You couldn't wait to see what spots he's wearing.

00:14:47.000 And it was all colorful and it looked all badass.

00:14:50.000 He was all scary to watch.

00:14:51.000 They should allow all that.

00:14:53.000 They should encourage that.

00:14:55.000 They want more of a clean product.

00:14:56.000 When Liddell had those blue and white shorts, the Iceman shorts.

00:14:59.000 Remember Franklin had the pink ones?

00:15:01.000 That's right.

00:15:01.000 It takes away the personality if they wear uniforms.

00:15:04.000 They want to look more like every other league, though.

00:15:06.000 But I get what they're trying to do.

00:15:07.000 It's a man on man.

00:15:08.000 It's personality on personality.

00:15:10.000 It's one dude.

00:15:11.000 So his personality is just one dude.

00:15:13.000 Even if it's four dudes, all their personalities, once you get to know them, they become important.

00:15:18.000 So the more you understand everybody, in this case, just two fighters.

00:15:22.000 I also think that if you want to have a company that sponsors it, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

00:15:29.000 It's not like a company can't sponsor it and still have dope shorts that are different for each fighter.

00:15:35.000 Like, have someone design their own stuff.

00:15:37.000 You don't have to have, you know, the same, like, you have red and I have blue.

00:15:41.000 Like, why?

00:15:42.000 Correct.

00:15:42.000 It doesn't matter.

00:15:43.000 Everybody knows you're you.

00:15:44.000 Everybody knows you're you.

00:15:45.000 Like, are we confused?

00:15:47.000 Like, who's the red guy?

00:15:48.000 The red guy on top?

00:15:50.000 Who's winning?

00:15:51.000 Well, I just feel like it takes away from the sport when you make everyone look the same, like in the NFL or something like that.

00:15:57.000 Yeah, totally.

00:15:57.000 Because what people buy into in fighting, and it's true with boxing, it's true with MMA, they want to know why they should watch the fight.

00:16:04.000 Because you can put a fight on AXS TV, if you don't know the fight, if you know nothing about them, they get shit for you.

00:16:10.000 It's like everybody loves Cowboy.

00:16:13.000 His story's great.

00:16:14.000 His story we know.

00:16:15.000 We know Jon Jones' story now because he's been going through all this crazy shit.

00:16:20.000 We know Cyborg's story.

00:16:21.000 And to kick this thing off, whether you want to talk about it or not, and you let me know, but with Amanda Nunes, imagine, just put yourself in her Shoes right now.

00:16:31.000 Imagine having the biggest fighter of your life.

00:16:33.000 Ever.

00:16:34.000 And the fight everyone's looking for, especially if you're a female fighter, because you get so much notoriety.

00:16:39.000 You get all the cameras pointing at you.

00:16:41.000 You finally get to hear your story, and she has a great story.

00:16:45.000 And then you can't do interviews.

00:16:46.000 There's none of that.

00:16:47.000 There's no promotion.

00:16:48.000 We're not going to show your videos.

00:16:50.000 You can't do interviews.

00:16:51.000 There's going to be no open workouts.

00:16:52.000 Imagine being her right now.

00:16:54.000 Like, what the fuck?

00:16:56.000 Well, the good news is...

00:16:59.000 She can concentrate on the fight.

00:17:00.000 And just concentrate on the fight.

00:17:01.000 She would always do that.

00:17:02.000 I understand that.

00:17:03.000 And the good news for Ronda is that she can also just concentrate on the fight.

00:17:07.000 She doesn't have to do any of these interviews.

00:17:09.000 I like that.

00:17:10.000 But what I don't like is...

00:17:12.000 I feel like...

00:17:14.000 We have to respect what a champion is.

00:17:16.000 And it doesn't matter if you're the most famous person.

00:17:19.000 You're still the champion.

00:17:21.000 And we are the champion of a giant organization like the UFC. And how about she's the first openly gay women's MMA champion ever?

00:17:31.000 Or any champion.

00:17:32.000 Any MMA champion.

00:17:33.000 There's never been an openly gay MMA champion.

00:17:37.000 And she's fucking badass.

00:17:39.000 It's not like she doesn't have a highlight reel.

00:17:40.000 It's not like she's grabbing ahold of these girls and just sort of winning by staying on top and do nothing so there's no highlights you can pull.

00:17:48.000 She knocks girls out and chokes them unconscious.

00:17:51.000 She's very good.

00:17:52.000 So it's exciting.

00:17:53.000 It's an exciting technical matchup.

00:17:56.000 It's an exciting story with Ronda coming back after being out for over a year.

00:18:00.000 There's so much exciting shit.

00:18:02.000 But to concentrate only on one person to sell it, I understand that that person is huge.

00:18:07.000 I understand that person's the biggest person.

00:18:10.000 She's probably right up there with Conor.

00:18:12.000 I would go, they both go back and forth.

00:18:14.000 Stats would make the difference.

00:18:15.000 What do you think?

00:18:16.000 Conor's bigger.

00:18:16.000 Conor's bigger?

00:18:17.000 Yeah, that's not an argument.

00:18:18.000 I would agree with you.

00:18:19.000 I would lean towards that.

00:18:21.000 My point is, with one victory, she could get launched right into that place again.

00:18:27.000 I think it's a weird thing, man.

00:18:29.000 It's like you're a super talented person who's also this giant personality figure.

00:18:38.000 It's more than just a fighter, right?

00:18:41.000 It becomes his personality figure.

00:18:43.000 Especially for Conard.

00:18:44.000 His whole shit-talking and marketing and he sends out a tweet to sell the fight.

00:18:49.000 Part of being a fighter is selling the fight.

00:18:52.000 Say what you want about Floyd Mayweather.

00:18:53.000 There's not an interview or camera he didn't look towards to sell that Pacquiao fight.

00:18:58.000 Because in the end, it helps the company, it puts more money in your pocket, it helps sponsorship, everything.

00:19:03.000 You can't say anything about Floyd unless you were one of those girls.

00:19:06.000 True.

00:19:07.000 Then you're like, God damn it.

00:19:08.000 But other than that, who else?

00:19:10.000 But it's part of the gig.

00:19:11.000 You've got to sell the fight.

00:19:13.000 So for me...

00:19:14.000 And I think Ronda is the favorite in this matchup, but she has to create these scenarios where it's me against the world.

00:19:21.000 It's me against the world.

00:19:23.000 Well, hold on.

00:19:23.000 Are you sure she's creating this?

00:19:24.000 I mean, this is a big marketing push.

00:19:25.000 This is like, you know, this is the new owners of the UFC, and this is this...

00:19:29.000 And this is their plan, Joe?

00:19:31.000 But this is this really cinematic thing.

00:19:34.000 That we're missing the boat on.

00:19:36.000 Well, we're definitely missing the boat.

00:19:37.000 The numbers will prove it, I bet you.

00:19:39.000 We're definitely missing the boat on promoting Amanda.

00:19:42.000 That for a fact.

00:19:43.000 But you don't think it was like a pretty exciting promo piece?

00:19:46.000 I saw that promo piece.

00:19:47.000 That got me fired up.

00:19:48.000 I think the good thing is that it's like this really exciting, very well done, cool thing.

00:19:55.000 You think it's been as much promo?

00:19:57.000 You think this fight has as much promo as, say, UFC 205 in New York?

00:20:01.000 No.

00:20:01.000 No, I don't.

00:20:02.000 Or a Conor fight for that magnitude.

00:20:04.000 No, because no one's doing interviews.

00:20:06.000 Yeah.

00:20:06.000 No, I 100% completely agree with you to that point.

00:20:10.000 But part of me likes...

00:20:12.000 I want to see what happens when the pay-per-view numbers come out.

00:20:15.000 Because part of me likes that the fighters aren't going to be bothered.

00:20:18.000 I don't think you need to bother them as much as they get bothered.

00:20:20.000 I think when Conor was pissed off about it, when Aldo was pissed off about it, when all these different fighters who are doing these crazy tours are pissed off about this promotion thing, the idea about it is you're trying to get the word out to as many people as possible.

00:20:32.000 But I don't know if that...

00:20:36.000 The price that they pay and being distracted from their training.

00:20:40.000 I don't know if it's 100% worth it.

00:20:41.000 But with Conor, you're talking about a world tour where he's like, dude, come on.

00:20:44.000 I'm coming off the loss.

00:20:45.000 Nate Diaz is a tough fight for me at 170. I need everything I can do to get this fight and get my mind right.

00:20:50.000 Do you think that it helps?

00:20:51.000 Do you think that it helps?

00:20:53.000 These big promo tours?

00:20:56.000 Um...

00:20:57.000 Yes and no.

00:20:58.000 I don't know if you need to go all around the frickin' world and promote it, but there needs to be some sort of publicity done.

00:21:06.000 For Ronda especially, I think her as a role model for females, you can't get kicked in the face, take your ball and go home.

00:21:15.000 We want our champ to be like Connor or someone where they go, I want back in there, man.

00:21:19.000 Get me the fuck back in there.

00:21:21.000 I need this.

00:21:22.000 I think that it's cool that, obviously, Ronda doesn't want all that shit.

00:21:26.000 She's as famous as you can be.

00:21:28.000 She doesn't want that, and someone just said, okay.

00:21:32.000 They let her just have her peace and focus on the fight.

00:21:35.000 I personally...

00:21:37.000 Don't really watch interviews.

00:21:38.000 I don't watch that press, so I don't even know how important it is.

00:21:41.000 All I care about is that fight.

00:21:43.000 That's it.

00:21:44.000 Once the fight happens, give me a little promo.

00:21:46.000 Give me a little hour promo.

00:21:48.000 It doesn't have to be anything fancy.

00:21:50.000 We're balls deep in it, though.

00:21:52.000 For the casual fan, my dad's a casual fan.

00:21:54.000 He has no idea she was fighting this Friday.

00:21:58.000 So, for the casual fan, that's where I would think that it would make a big difference.

00:22:02.000 People watch ESPN and...

00:22:04.000 Well, that's who buys pay-per-views, Joe.

00:22:06.000 Because to get that $60, $70 and you're a casual fan, they need to be sold on it.

00:22:12.000 It sounds like you own a piece of the UFC right now.

00:22:15.000 No, he's making good points.

00:22:16.000 Making very good points already.

00:22:18.000 I'm just being funny.

00:22:18.000 No, I hear you.

00:22:19.000 But you are making very good points.

00:22:21.000 My issue is, and Rhonda can do her thing, but you can't, it's a conflict of interest.

00:22:28.000 Because of Conor McGregor, right?

00:22:29.000 Because Conor goes, dude, I'll fly to New York and do a press conference, but I'm not going to Vegas.

00:22:33.000 Cool, you're not fighting.

00:22:35.000 Rhonda goes, I'm not doing shit.

00:22:37.000 Dana goes, cool.

00:22:38.000 Different owners now.

00:22:42.000 Different owners, however...

00:22:44.000 Yeah, they have a different approach.

00:22:45.000 I mean, it's a different business.

00:22:46.000 I mean, a lot of things are changing.

00:22:48.000 They're changing, they're changing, Joe.

00:22:50.000 But also, WME, who owns the UFC, manages Ronda Rousey.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:54.000 They don't manage Conor McGregor.

00:22:55.000 Right.

00:22:55.000 So there's a conflict of interest there.

00:22:57.000 Well, it depends, because it's just a business decision.

00:23:01.000 The only people that should be upset are probably the other people.

00:23:04.000 Well, Cody Garbrandt and Dominick Cruz aren't restricted from doing any interviews, right?

00:23:08.000 They're doing everything.

00:23:09.000 Are they going to sell the fight, though?

00:23:10.000 That's a problem.

00:23:11.000 They're going to sell them for me.

00:23:12.000 That's for fuck's sake.

00:23:13.000 Again, we're balls deep in it.

00:23:14.000 For sure.

00:23:15.000 We're balls deep.

00:23:15.000 The casual fan's going, I'm not buying, I'm not spending $70 for those small guys.

00:23:20.000 Now, to me it's the number one fight.

00:23:21.000 How dare you?

00:23:22.000 No, to me it's the number one fight on the card.

00:23:23.000 I love Cody.

00:23:24.000 It's my number one fight.

00:23:26.000 Brendan wants his promos, shit.

00:23:28.000 No, he's right, he's right.

00:23:29.000 No, no, no, what I want is the UFC to keep growing and it comes with the territory.

00:23:35.000 You gotta sell yourself.

00:23:36.000 But it's cool for the fighters though, don't you think that they're respecting their wishes?

00:23:40.000 Like Ronda just wanted to be left alone.

00:23:41.000 For who?

00:23:41.000 That's fine.

00:23:42.000 Respect her wishes.

00:23:43.000 But that media is the exact reason why she's as famous as she is.

00:23:46.000 It's okay, though.

00:23:46.000 We're trying to help them only.

00:23:47.000 But you don't have to only do press while you're in camp.

00:23:52.000 That media exists after the fights, which is easy for everybody.

00:23:56.000 Just talk after the fights.

00:23:57.000 But during the training and preparation, it's a giant distraction.

00:24:00.000 It's going to take a lot of time.

00:24:02.000 A decision.

00:24:03.000 If someone's as rich and as famous as Ronda is, a decision to...

00:24:07.000 To favor performance over finances.

00:24:11.000 So, like, maybe she'll make less money, but she thinks that she'll be more focused and her performance will be better.

00:24:15.000 I love that.

00:24:16.000 I love that decision.

00:24:18.000 Then where's that start then, Joe?

00:24:20.000 When you're a really wealthy, successful athlete like her, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

00:24:25.000 That's what I think.

00:24:25.000 I think when you get to a point where you get to decide whether you're going to focus on making more money and possibly being less focused and distracted and maybe tired or even maybe get sick because you're doing a lot of traveling, Versus only dedicate yourself to training.

00:24:41.000 Do all the fucking videos you want, put all the promos you want.

00:24:44.000 I'm not doing shit for the next eight weeks.

00:24:46.000 So then where's that stop at?

00:24:47.000 Who's gonna sell the fight if everyone has that mentality?

00:24:50.000 So is that the rule now?

00:24:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:53.000 Listen, no.

00:24:53.000 I don't know what you're saying because the old way is not the only way.

00:24:56.000 You could do both ways.

00:24:57.000 You could do whatever way you want.

00:24:58.000 There's old footage.

00:24:59.000 They could decide that their little promo pieces they could put together without interviews are enough.

00:25:04.000 They could fly out.

00:25:05.000 They might be wrong.

00:25:05.000 You know what?

00:25:06.000 They could just fly to her for two days, interview her at her training camp.

00:25:09.000 That's what they did for Tony.

00:25:10.000 And then they take off.

00:25:12.000 Tony was in Big Bear.

00:25:12.000 He never left Big Bear.

00:25:14.000 They came to him.

00:25:15.000 Do one of those.

00:25:16.000 It was no big deal.

00:25:17.000 Look, she definitely could do that.

00:25:19.000 Or she could say, no.

00:25:20.000 I just want to completely focus and let's see how this works.

00:25:23.000 But her thing is, is that...

00:25:25.000 She thinks the media backstabbed her, and that's why she doesn't want to do an interview.

00:25:29.000 Like, they turned on her when she lost.

00:25:31.000 She's a very emotional person.

00:25:32.000 It's one of the reasons why she's so good.

00:25:35.000 I agree.

00:25:36.000 She's very emotional.

00:25:37.000 But to me...

00:25:38.000 It sounded like my voice was cracking up, but I swear to God, I was just about to cough.

00:25:41.000 I was like, damn, do you have to cry over this shit?

00:25:43.000 We're just having a conversation, Doug.

00:25:46.000 But to me, if you're a Ronda fan, like, when you break this fight down, there's a huge X factor.

00:25:53.000 What...

00:25:54.000 Frame of mind is Ronda N. If she won't even face interviewers...

00:25:58.000 Yeah, but okay, maybe.

00:25:59.000 Or maybe focused.

00:26:01.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:26:01.000 Maybe she's the most focused she's ever been, or maybe she just can't deal with the questions after her last fight.

00:26:07.000 We don't know.

00:26:08.000 Well, yeah.

00:26:10.000 She's the only one who knows.

00:26:12.000 You know, or the people that are close to her.

00:26:13.000 Rhonda's, like you said, famous as fuck, lives in a mansion.

00:26:16.000 What about Amanda?

00:26:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:18.000 What about her?

00:26:19.000 Well, for her, she should absolutely be able to do as many interviews as she wants.

00:26:22.000 But she might not want to either.

00:26:24.000 She might want to say, hey, good, I'm going to focus entirely on fighting Rhonda too.

00:26:28.000 Look, this might be better.

00:26:30.000 It might be better this way.

00:26:31.000 It's just like we were talking about weight cutting before.

00:26:33.000 It might be better if people didn't fucking cut weight.

00:26:35.000 Look how goddamn good Kelvin Gastelum looked against Tim Kennedy.

00:26:39.000 Look how goddamn good Donald Cerrone looks.

00:26:41.000 Donald's walking around like 176 pounds.

00:26:44.000 He's not cutting shit.

00:26:45.000 And he looks fucking amazing.

00:26:48.000 He's head kicking Matt Brown.

00:26:50.000 He looked amazing.

00:26:51.000 He's running through everybody.

00:26:52.000 Tony doesn't cut that much either.

00:26:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:54.000 By the time Connor at 55. Maybe five pounds will cut.

00:26:56.000 Those guys, man, they have an advantage.

00:26:59.000 That's a big ass advantage.

00:27:00.000 Weight cut, yes, I agree.

00:27:02.000 Huge advantage.

00:27:03.000 But I think the weight cut, I think there's benefits to it, ultimately.

00:27:07.000 Obviously, you're going to be bigger when you get inside the octagon.

00:27:09.000 But the performance hit that your body takes, it's super arguable at a certain level.

00:27:15.000 There's a point of diminishing returns that a lot of these guys pass through.

00:27:18.000 But then there's a few fucking examples, like Damian Maia.

00:27:22.000 Damian Maia cuts a lot of weight.

00:27:23.000 And he's just...

00:27:25.000 Smooshing people.

00:27:26.000 Anthony Johnson.

00:27:28.000 Smooshing people.

00:27:30.000 I don't think Johnson's cutting that much weight at 205, bro.

00:27:32.000 I think he might be cutting 10, 15 pounds.

00:27:34.000 No, sir.

00:27:36.000 He looks really good at 220, 225. I think he looks really heavy.

00:27:40.000 I think he's cutting 20 pounds.

00:27:40.000 Who's mine if that's much for a big guy like that, though?

00:27:43.000 I'm just saying, I mean, 20 pounds, 20 pounds.

00:27:44.000 But 20 pounds is different when you're a heavyweight, or a light heavyweight.

00:27:47.000 For sure.

00:27:48.000 But he's lean, too.

00:27:50.000 He's lean, too.

00:27:50.000 That's true.

00:27:51.000 He's jacked.

00:27:52.000 Who's Damien Maia fighting next?

00:27:54.000 Damien Maia.

00:27:55.000 I don't know, man.

00:27:56.000 I think they're waiting to see.

00:27:57.000 He's in the shadows like this.

00:27:58.000 What's going to happen?

00:27:59.000 If Woodley and Wonderboy have a rematch, Woodley's campaigning for a fight with Nick Diaz, which I would love to see.

00:28:05.000 I'd also love to see that.

00:28:06.000 I'd like to see Woodley get fucking paid, too.

00:28:08.000 I like what he's doing.

00:28:09.000 I like that he's trying to get paid.

00:28:11.000 He's trying to fight GSB, Diaz, just the big names to make money.

00:28:14.000 I want to see it happen.

00:28:15.000 I like his initiative.

00:28:17.000 I like it.

00:28:17.000 You know, people are like, oh, you're just trying to get paid, bro.

00:28:20.000 Yeah.

00:28:21.000 By the way, those are all fucking amazing fights.

00:28:24.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:28:25.000 You don't want to see him versus GSP? Yes, sir.

00:28:28.000 Tell people to lose your number.

00:28:29.000 Tell them, Brandon.

00:28:30.000 Tell them right now.

00:28:31.000 Lose your number!

00:28:34.000 If you don't want to see that fight, you wouldn't want to see that fight?

00:28:36.000 That's the sport, though.

00:28:37.000 You want the biggest name possible with the highest payday.

00:28:40.000 Because either way, you're probably getting punched in the face.

00:28:42.000 Hey, but also, I want to see the Wonderboy rematch.

00:28:44.000 I want to see that, too.

00:28:45.000 I do, but I'd rather see Diaz or GSP. Honestly, I'm even on it.

00:28:51.000 I'm even on Diaz, GSP, or the Wonderboy rematch.

00:28:54.000 I wouldn't be mad at him.

00:28:55.000 Wonderboy's a bad motherfucker, dude.

00:28:57.000 When he was in that guillotine and didn't tap, and it looked like his head was literally going to be removed from his body, I don't know, man.

00:29:05.000 Maybe his neck is so small.

00:29:06.000 That's what Tyron was saying, that his neck is so small, you've got to really squeeze it.

00:29:13.000 Someone else was saying that too.

00:29:14.000 Like his neck is so small.

00:29:16.000 Like a bobblehead.

00:29:17.000 Maybe he can like make more room because it's harder to get a really tight squeeze on it.

00:29:22.000 Because Woodley has some big ass arms so he figured I'd make up for it.

00:29:26.000 Woodley also said that he's got a little head so his head could pop out easier.

00:29:29.000 I hear that.

00:29:30.000 That makes sense, right?

00:29:31.000 Yeah.

00:29:31.000 I got a small head myself.

00:29:33.000 It's an advantage.

00:29:34.000 Not when you're getting punched in the face.

00:29:36.000 If you got some crazy Alex Caceres do, that has got to be an advantage to the guy hanging on.

00:29:41.000 For reals.

00:29:42.000 Right?

00:29:42.000 Yeah.

00:29:42.000 I mean, if you get Alex Caceres in a guillotine, there's a lot of shit he's got to go through.

00:29:47.000 A lot of shit.

00:29:48.000 It's not like my head was like, whoop!

00:29:50.000 Well, remember they had Homeboy and Canna shave his beard.

00:29:54.000 Oh, that's right, Emil.

00:29:56.000 Emil Mech.

00:29:57.000 He had a powerful beard, too.

00:29:58.000 Because he was calling himself Emil Mech forever, and then just the day before the fight, he told everybody it was Mech.

00:30:03.000 Like, alright, man.

00:30:04.000 I'm like, alright, dude.

00:30:05.000 Cool, whatever you want.

00:30:05.000 Why do you have two E's, then?

00:30:07.000 How about just make one E, motherfucker?

00:30:09.000 Jesus Christ.

00:30:09.000 Why does everybody have...

00:30:10.000 Why do we have to keep the dumb way of spelling shit that our ancestors who came over on rafts...

00:30:16.000 Well, because we all understand that.

00:30:18.000 You just can't make some shit up.

00:30:19.000 Yes, you can.

00:30:20.000 No, you can't.

00:30:21.000 Well, you definitely...

00:30:22.000 Two E's is E, alright?

00:30:24.000 It's not eh.

00:30:25.000 It's just not.

00:30:26.000 It's just not.

00:30:27.000 We got rules, motherfucker.

00:30:28.000 We got rules, man.

00:30:29.000 Okay, we got rules for sounds.

00:30:30.000 We got rules, man.

00:30:31.000 I remember Roy being so pissed when he was fighting Kimbo, he wanted him to cut his beard.

00:30:35.000 He's like, it's an advantage!

00:30:37.000 What if I get a hold of his neck?

00:30:39.000 The commissioner was like, it's Kimbo Slice, we're not cutting his fucking beard.

00:30:42.000 What do you want us to do, man?

00:30:44.000 So sad.

00:30:45.000 I know, right?

00:30:46.000 Yeah, the personality wars, you know?

00:30:49.000 Personality wars versus, I mean, look, it is Kimbo Slice.

00:30:52.000 Now, beard is huge, you know?

00:30:55.000 The idea originally was that somehow the beard protected you.

00:30:59.000 This is ridiculous.

00:31:00.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:31:01.000 Unless you have, like, some crazy Rastafarian fucking dreadlocked out beard.

00:31:07.000 Like, if you could have, like, a Thick, roped up, dreg-locked out beard.

00:31:11.000 Pirates of the Caribbean shit.

00:31:11.000 Yeah, I think then you can make the argument.

00:31:13.000 But what kind of a human is capable of growing the same kind of facial hair that you grow on your head?

00:31:19.000 Has anybody ever grown...

00:31:20.000 Jamie, look this up.

00:31:21.000 Tate Fletcher.

00:31:21.000 Has anybody ever grown like a legit...

00:31:23.000 Tate Fletcher a little bit, right?

00:31:24.000 Tate Fletcher.

00:31:25.000 But he needs to roll that shit up and braid it.

00:31:27.000 He does now.

00:31:28.000 Tate does.

00:31:29.000 Yeah, he braids it sometimes.

00:31:30.000 He's like...

00:31:32.000 That referee, too, has that really long ropey...

00:31:34.000 Oh, that's true.

00:31:35.000 He was just the referee the other night during a...

00:31:37.000 Mike Beltran.

00:31:38.000 Yeah, Mike.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:31:39.000 He's awesome.

00:31:40.000 Yeah, Mike has...

00:31:41.000 That's right.

00:31:41.000 Mike has, like, ponytails.

00:31:43.000 He has pigtails.

00:31:45.000 He has pigtails hanging off his chin.

00:31:46.000 Face pigtails.

00:31:49.000 Mike's a cool guy.

00:31:50.000 He's a great guy.

00:31:51.000 Very good referee too.

00:31:52.000 One of the coolest guys I know.

00:31:54.000 Me too.

00:31:54.000 Super good dude.

00:31:56.000 And he pulls that mustache off being that cool.

00:31:59.000 He's the only one.

00:32:00.000 He's the only one.

00:32:02.000 If everybody started growing that mustache off, we'd be like, slow the fuck down.

00:32:06.000 He's the only dude.

00:32:07.000 If you understood his background, it would make sense.

00:32:10.000 He's a good dude, man.

00:32:11.000 Look at that shit.

00:32:12.000 That's hilarious.

00:32:13.000 Now, if he fought in MMA, they'd obviously make him cut it because you could use that to choke him.

00:32:17.000 Yeah, I guess you could.

00:32:18.000 Yeah, or he could choke you with it.

00:32:20.000 You know, if he gets on top of you, get to Ezekiel with that.

00:32:23.000 Go ahead and quit.

00:32:24.000 He's a brown belt.

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:25.000 Yeah, so I wonder how he rolls.

00:32:27.000 Eddie, do you know?

00:32:28.000 Does he roll that up?

00:32:29.000 He's a brown belt, and he's huge.

00:32:31.000 Does he put it?

00:32:32.000 That helps.

00:32:32.000 That guy's big.

00:32:33.000 He's a big boy.

00:32:35.000 He's a big fucking dude.

00:32:36.000 He's like Yosemite Sam.

00:32:37.000 He's not 5'9".

00:32:38.000 No.

00:32:38.000 He's a giant dude.

00:32:39.000 And his son's even bigger.

00:32:40.000 Does he put in like a chin bun, like a man bun thing?

00:32:43.000 You'd have to ask him.

00:32:44.000 He'd have to put like a thing over it.

00:32:46.000 Yeah, maybe underneath the chin.

00:32:48.000 But then again, that would kind of get in the way.

00:32:49.000 I would imagine the braids could be avoided just like other kind of braids.

00:32:55.000 And there's Ronda biting his braids.

00:32:58.000 Well, that was actually, it looks like, okay, yeah.

00:33:00.000 So he just sort of ties at the bottom of it in like little rubber bands and shit.

00:33:04.000 He's a great referee.

00:33:05.000 That guy's on top of his shit.

00:33:06.000 There's a lot of good ones, man.

00:33:08.000 This is a good time for MMA. There's a lot of like super experienced guys that are just, that's so important when you're watching a fight.

00:33:15.000 When you think like a fight could be stopped and then, you know, and then a guy gets through it.

00:33:20.000 Fighters know it too.

00:33:21.000 When you're in the back locker room, they go, hey, I'm going to be your ref tonight.

00:33:24.000 There's certain guys who are like, shit.

00:33:26.000 Who refereed Wonderboy and Tyron?

00:33:30.000 Herb Dean, right?

00:33:31.000 What a great job.

00:33:32.000 Was it Herb Dean or McCarthy?

00:33:34.000 Pretty sure it's Herb, though.

00:33:35.000 Those guys don't give credit, you know?

00:33:38.000 They know the fighters, you know, and they know how tough these guys are and they can be in those spots.

00:33:44.000 Everyone's got their classic fuck-ups as a referee.

00:33:47.000 I don't remember any by Big John McCarthy.

00:33:49.000 You don't remember Murillo Bustamante tapping out Matt Lindland twice?

00:33:53.000 Oh, that's right.

00:33:55.000 Murillo Bustamante got Matt Lindland in an arm bar.

00:33:58.000 He tapped, he let go, and he said, I didn't tap.

00:34:01.000 And then Murillo got him again the next round with a guillotine.

00:34:04.000 That wasn't a fuck-up.

00:34:05.000 That was like the dude ghost tapped or something.

00:34:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:09.000 Nah, man.

00:34:09.000 He lied.

00:34:10.000 He tapped, and he said he didn't tap.

00:34:12.000 Yeah, but that's not that...

00:34:13.000 It's a big fight in the championship fight.

00:34:16.000 But looking back, thank God.

00:34:18.000 It was Dan Mergliata.

00:34:19.000 Dan Mergliata.

00:34:20.000 Great job in that fight.

00:34:21.000 Great job.

00:34:22.000 Great job in that fight.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, he's great, too.

00:34:25.000 Yeah, he's great.

00:34:25.000 He's great, too.

00:34:26.000 Dan's a really good guy, too.

00:34:28.000 And fucking giant!

00:34:29.000 He's a gorilla.

00:34:31.000 That guy gives me a hug.

00:34:32.000 I feel like he's my daddy.

00:34:33.000 Me, too.

00:34:34.000 Sit on his lap.

00:34:35.000 Thanks for the hug, daddy.

00:34:36.000 Sit on his fucking lap.

00:34:37.000 But another really good referee.

00:34:39.000 You know who's another really good referee?

00:34:41.000 Josh Rosenthal.

00:34:43.000 Very good referee.

00:34:44.000 Is he out of prison?

00:34:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:46.000 He's out.

00:34:47.000 He was awesome.

00:34:48.000 Very good referee.

00:34:49.000 He got caught up in some sort of pop thing.

00:34:52.000 Yeah, he had plants and shit in his house.

00:34:54.000 Not good.

00:34:54.000 Whatever.

00:34:55.000 But he's out now.

00:34:56.000 I guess he's refereeing again for other organizations.

00:34:58.000 But he was very good.

00:35:00.000 I don't remember him ever fucking up.

00:35:01.000 And really smart guy when he comes to MMA. Knows a lot of...

00:35:04.000 He's a jiu-jitsu brown belt.

00:35:05.000 I think under...

00:35:07.000 Who's he under?

00:35:08.000 Is he under Cesar Gracie?

00:35:09.000 I think so.

00:35:10.000 I think so.

00:35:11.000 But he's a legit brown belt.

00:35:12.000 It's important.

00:35:13.000 Or HALF. Is it HALF? It's really important they train.

00:35:15.000 Like, McCarthy's rolling all the time, so they know what positions to look for, transitions.

00:35:19.000 Isn't it funny how those Northern California guys are known as, like, real hard-style jiu-jitsu guys?

00:35:24.000 Like, Half and Caesar, and, you know, when you start talking about, like, those Northern California jiu-jitsu schools.

00:35:31.000 Half has always had a reputation of, like, if you go, like, of...

00:35:36.000 Frowning upon tapping.

00:35:38.000 Like if you tapped in front of Hauf, that was the story.

00:35:41.000 It could be totally blown out of proportion.

00:35:43.000 But us training down with Jean-Jacques, we heard the crazy stories about Hauf that he looked down on tapping.

00:35:53.000 Like, you gotta escape.

00:35:54.000 You gotta escape.

00:35:55.000 Don't tap.

00:35:55.000 How about Dave Terrell?

00:35:56.000 Here's another one.

00:35:57.000 Another bad motherfucker from the north of California.

00:36:01.000 There was like that heart.

00:36:01.000 He came from that same camp.

00:36:03.000 That hard style camp.

00:36:04.000 It could be a total myth, though.

00:36:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:06.000 That's what we thought, though.

00:36:07.000 We thought, man, those guys are so tough.

00:36:09.000 Better just break my arms.

00:36:11.000 Don't people have a feel to them, like you hear, like, oh, this guy's a half black belt.

00:36:15.000 You go, ooh.

00:36:16.000 That's one of those black belts where you go, this guy's probably a savage.

00:36:20.000 Better be on my shit.

00:36:21.000 Yeah.

00:36:22.000 It's just a half black belt.

00:36:23.000 There's a super aggressive style, right?

00:36:26.000 Wouldn't you automatically assume?

00:36:27.000 A lot of good guys came from Dave Camarillo, Dan Camarillo.

00:36:30.000 Like when you hear Hickson, you hear someone's a Hickson black belt, you go, ooh.

00:36:34.000 100%.

00:36:34.000 Whoa.

00:36:35.000 Okay.

00:36:36.000 This guy's legit as fuck.

00:36:38.000 100% legit.

00:36:40.000 There's no, like, eh, Hickson black belts.

00:36:43.000 Especially when they're Hickson black belts, they're really game, too.

00:36:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:47.000 Like at the Grace Academy, a lot of Hickson guys go up there.

00:36:50.000 I mean, they are game.

00:36:52.000 Super game.

00:36:53.000 Look at Krohn.

00:36:54.000 Krohn, Hickson, he's a...

00:36:57.000 A cut above the elite.

00:37:00.000 Everyone says when they rolled Hickson back in the day that they were just completely immobilized and dismantled.

00:37:07.000 Everyone has their Hickson story.

00:37:10.000 And you look at Krohn.

00:37:11.000 Very few jiu-jitsu players like Krohn.

00:37:14.000 Krohn's got a serious full guard, serious guillotine, and his full guard attacks, you don't see that.

00:37:21.000 That much in grappling anymore.

00:37:22.000 Someone with a full guard that's dangerous.

00:37:24.000 Crone's got that.

00:37:26.000 Crone's a little bit different than your average elite.

00:37:29.000 You should see his workouts.

00:37:30.000 When I was doing a grappling competition, Crone was on it too.

00:37:34.000 So I trained with him for like a week at his school in Culver City there.

00:37:37.000 Dude, they would do these two, two-and-a-half-hour workouts.

00:37:41.000 His cardio is insane.

00:37:42.000 What kind of shit was he doing?

00:37:43.000 He would do this crazy warm-up, crazy warm-up, and we'd go over position, position, position, and then it was like a King of the Hill where he'd match up, and however long it took until someone got submitted, then the two guys would be at the end.

00:37:58.000 Then the rest of the map would stare and watch those two guys at the end.

00:38:01.000 Jesus Christ.

00:38:02.000 Mm-hmm.

00:38:03.000 It was intense.

00:38:04.000 Super intense.

00:38:07.000 Wow.

00:38:07.000 He does a lot of, like, nutty gymnastic shit too, right?

00:38:10.000 He does that and he does the breathing thing like his dad.

00:38:12.000 And at the end, Krohn and I were going against each other, probably 15-20 minutes straight and they caught me in an arm bar.

00:38:20.000 Wow.

00:38:23.000 He's not.

00:38:23.000 And he's tiny.

00:38:25.000 He's tiny.

00:38:27.000 I was rolling with all monsters.

00:38:29.000 And then with my big ass, it was just douche.

00:38:31.000 And he's always training with Nick and Nate.

00:38:33.000 He's training with animals.

00:38:35.000 For a while now.

00:38:37.000 It's been a while.

00:38:38.000 And it's looking like his striking's coming together.

00:38:41.000 He's looking comfortable on the seat.

00:38:42.000 He's a special dude.

00:38:43.000 Very, very special dude.

00:38:45.000 Special jeans there, son.

00:38:46.000 Special jeans.

00:38:47.000 Handsome fella.

00:38:48.000 Handsome little fella.

00:38:49.000 Beautiful structure of the face.

00:38:50.000 But also, just like his papa, right?

00:38:52.000 Yeah.

00:38:52.000 But also, he's just a good dude to be around.

00:38:55.000 Like, you feel like you're around a samurai.

00:38:57.000 Yeah, very good dude.

00:38:58.000 Well, he's legit as fuck, man.

00:39:00.000 I mean, he's the rare exception to show me the son of a great man who's a great man.

00:39:06.000 He's the rare exception.

00:39:07.000 Yeah.

00:39:08.000 He has the mentality, because you look at guys like Julio Chavez Jr., you look at these guys who come from that kind of pedigree, it usually doesn't correlate.

00:39:16.000 They're usually kind of soft, or they're missing a few things.

00:39:20.000 Well, Chavez Jr., the discipline was just not there.

00:39:23.000 Just didn't quite have the same discipline as his dad, but he was still talented.

00:39:26.000 He liked to party, though.

00:39:27.000 Well, don't you?

00:39:30.000 Not like that.

00:39:31.000 I think our partying's different.

00:39:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:33.000 Yeah, for sure, man.

00:39:35.000 For sure.

00:39:35.000 He's on that Jon Jones party.

00:39:37.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:38.000 There's partying and then there's Jon Jones partying.

00:39:41.000 Well, you know, he's the son of, like, one of the greatest, if not the greatest, Mexican boxing champion of all time.

00:39:47.000 Julio Cesar Chavez is a legend.

00:39:49.000 When he fought Meldrick Taylor...

00:39:51.000 Remember that fight, man?

00:39:52.000 Meldrick Taylor was lightning Olympic gold medalist during the heyday, the Mark Breland heyday.

00:39:58.000 Remember those guys, that whole crew of Olympic gold medalists?

00:40:02.000 Pernell Whitaker?

00:40:03.000 And Meldrick Taylor was just lightning.

00:40:05.000 He just hit dudes with these ridiculous combinations.

00:40:09.000 Chavez just kept slugging away, bobbing and weaving and ripping to the body and slugging away.

00:40:15.000 Did you ever see his fights outdoor in Mexico?

00:40:17.000 Yeah, I've seen most of his fights.

00:40:18.000 I mean, they're just like, it's like a fucking Coliseum.

00:40:21.000 Greg Haugen.

00:40:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:22.000 We fought him in Mexico.

00:40:24.000 But, back to the Mildred Taylor fight.

00:40:26.000 This is what I remember.

00:40:28.000 This is what I remember.

00:40:30.000 Controversy in the first fight.

00:40:31.000 The end of the round, it looks like Mildred Taylor was winning, he was stealing the fight, and then at the end, Chavez last round was fucking him up, had him against the ropes, and the ref stopped it, but there was only like two seconds left.

00:40:45.000 Richard Steele.

00:40:46.000 Did it go down like that?

00:40:47.000 Yep, yep.

00:40:48.000 Two seconds left in the 12th round and he stopped the fight.

00:40:51.000 And he stopped the fight because Melchick went down hard.

00:40:54.000 And he got up and he was fucking out of it.

00:40:56.000 And Richard Steele looked in his eyes and he waved him off.

00:40:58.000 He said he would do it again too.

00:40:59.000 He said it doesn't matter if it's only two seconds left in the fight.

00:41:02.000 He goes, I know this guy's not fit to fight anymore.

00:41:05.000 He's like, he got stopped.

00:41:06.000 Damn.

00:41:07.000 He got him up, he looked in his eyes, and Meldrick Taylor was looking at him, and he asked him some questions, and Taylor wasn't answering him, and he's like, fuck this, it's over.

00:41:13.000 You don't get a lot of that in boxing.

00:41:13.000 And Meldrick was beating him the whole fight, right?

00:41:15.000 Yes, but in his credit, Richard Steele's credit, Meldrick Taylor was never the same again.

00:41:20.000 Never the same after that fight.

00:41:21.000 He was right.

00:41:22.000 He was done.

00:41:24.000 He just was right in front of him, touching him, looking him in the eye.

00:41:26.000 Let's see the end of that 12th round of that fight.

00:41:28.000 Let's see it.

00:41:29.000 Julio Cesar, Chavez, KOs, Melchick Taylor.

00:41:31.000 And this was a fight where Melchick Taylor's speed and footwork, he was ahead.

00:41:36.000 He was ahead on the scorecard.

00:41:37.000 He was getting the better of him in the beginning of the fight.

00:41:39.000 That ref stopped in that fight and you hear Freddie Roach talk about it.

00:41:41.000 He goes, I wish my corner would have tossed in the towel or the referee would have jumped in way sooner in a lot of my fights.

00:41:47.000 Yeah, well, Freddie took a lot of punishment.

00:41:50.000 But if you asked him back then if he wanted them to stop the fight, he might have said no.

00:41:54.000 Look how good Chavez was.

00:41:55.000 My God.

00:41:56.000 He was so good with his angles.

00:41:58.000 He was our hero, dude.

00:41:59.000 He was so good.

00:42:00.000 He was our hero.

00:42:01.000 That was the greatest Mexican boxer of all time.

00:42:03.000 For sure.

00:42:03.000 Right?

00:42:04.000 Who was better than him?

00:42:04.000 You could learn so much watching his technique, too.

00:42:06.000 That was the greatest.

00:42:08.000 Everything he throws is short and perfect.

00:42:12.000 That was our Chuck Norris.

00:42:14.000 He was a bad motherfucker, dude.

00:42:15.000 How dare you compare Chuck Norris.

00:42:16.000 He was a bad motherfucker.

00:42:18.000 I was a huge Chavez fan.

00:42:20.000 When he fought Greg Haugen, he was the guy that said, yeah, he's got a...

00:42:24.000 Because he was like...

00:42:25.000 A bunch of taxi cab drivers in Tijuana.

00:42:28.000 All his opponents were taxi cab drivers.

00:42:30.000 That's right.

00:42:31.000 His son has skills.

00:42:32.000 He just doesn't have that it factor.

00:42:34.000 He's just not this guy.

00:42:35.000 This guy's a different guy.

00:42:36.000 This guy's a legend.

00:42:37.000 First of all, his son is a winger.

00:42:38.000 His thing's bombs.

00:42:40.000 And he's a hard striker.

00:42:42.000 His son can fucking KO, dude.

00:42:43.000 His son's big.

00:42:43.000 No doubt.

00:42:44.000 He's a big boy.

00:42:45.000 Oh, round 12. Julio Cesar Chavez was a different kind of fighter.

00:42:48.000 He was much more of a volume fighter and would throw perfect technique punches and would never run out of fucking gas.

00:42:55.000 He would be on you for 12 rounds throwing bombs on you and just never letting up.

00:43:02.000 Talk about a guy not punchy either.

00:43:04.000 Have you seen his interviews?

00:43:05.000 No, he's fine.

00:43:05.000 Pretty legit.

00:43:07.000 Well, I don't speak Spanish.

00:43:08.000 There it is.

00:43:08.000 He hurts him.

00:43:09.000 He hurts him with that right.

00:43:10.000 Look at this.

00:43:10.000 Dig to the body.

00:43:11.000 Look at that left hook, man.

00:43:12.000 Come on.

00:43:12.000 Look at him turn.

00:43:13.000 And he turns him around and drops him with that right hand.

00:43:16.000 Perfect right hand.

00:43:17.000 God.

00:43:17.000 Now look, Magic Taylor's down and the referee's counting him.

00:43:21.000 He's eight, seven, six, five, four.

00:43:26.000 He's, are you okay?

00:43:26.000 Are you okay?

00:43:27.000 And he has no idea where he is.

00:43:28.000 He won't respond.

00:43:30.000 Mel Dutero doesn't know where he is, so Richard Steele stops the fight.

00:43:33.000 That is a correct call.

00:43:34.000 That's a great job.

00:43:34.000 Look how mad his corner man is.

00:43:36.000 They're crazy, because they thought he was going to win the fight.

00:43:38.000 That fight was over, man.

00:43:39.000 If they let him hit him again, he might have died.

00:43:42.000 Obviously not, mate.

00:43:43.000 Well, you never know.

00:43:44.000 I mean, I shouldn't have said that, probably.

00:43:45.000 But you know what I'm saying.

00:43:47.000 That's what that comes from.

00:43:49.000 That comes from when a guy's done.

00:43:51.000 There's a Batsu who just died.

00:43:52.000 Not just, but a few months ago in Australia, a professional boxer.

00:43:55.000 I like the fact that they're trying to, like, if you listen to HBO commentary, like, guys will be, like, hanging in there in the fight, and you'll hear Max Kellerman say they could very reasonably make a case for stopping this fight.

00:44:06.000 And I'm like, thank you.

00:44:08.000 I know, right?

00:44:08.000 Thank you.

00:44:09.000 Before, you never, ever heard that.

00:44:11.000 You never heard that.

00:44:12.000 You never heard that.

00:44:12.000 Even the NFL. There's the guy who got rocked it.

00:44:14.000 Man, I hope he doesn't come back.

00:44:15.000 Hope he's alright.

00:44:16.000 They're putting him in the concussion protocol.

00:44:18.000 Who was that dude that just quit on, uh, did he quit on Golovkin?

00:44:22.000 No, no, Lomachenko.

00:44:24.000 No, no, no, Lomachenko.

00:44:25.000 The guy against Sergei Lomachenko.

00:44:26.000 He wasn't even really getting rocked, though.

00:44:28.000 Like, he was just outclassed, and he was like, fuck this, I'm not winning, whatever.

00:44:31.000 Even though I'm undefeated, I'm just fucking done.

00:44:33.000 You're talking about homeboy Kel Brook.

00:44:36.000 Yes.

00:44:36.000 Kel Brook, they stopped the fight.

00:44:37.000 He was getting murked.

00:44:39.000 He was getting murked.

00:44:39.000 He couldn't see out of his eye, and his corner was like, no.

00:44:41.000 Well, he was fighting Golovkin.

00:44:42.000 Yes.

00:44:43.000 Yeah, but the Kell Brook fight was a little bit controversial.

00:44:48.000 The Lomachenko fight was much more controversial, right?

00:44:51.000 Where most people were like, this is ridiculous.

00:44:53.000 Yeah, because he really wasn't getting lit up.

00:44:55.000 He just quit.

00:44:56.000 And Nicholas Walters was undefeated before this, but he had taken some time off, apparently.

00:45:00.000 And that was supposed to be like a big test for Lomachenko.

00:45:03.000 And then even Max Kellerman, he goes in the ring and he goes...

00:45:06.000 You know, just as a boxing connoisseur, usually you go out on your shield.

00:45:11.000 Like, you really weren't getting hit.

00:45:13.000 And he goes, no, there's a left hand in there that wobbled me.

00:45:17.000 And he's like, well, we can't, like, can you give us the time around anything?

00:45:20.000 He's like, no, but I was hurt, man.

00:45:22.000 That's why I stopped.

00:45:23.000 And even, you know, Max Tillman, how many boxing matches?

00:45:26.000 It's like, he's the fucking Joe Rogan of boxing.

00:45:29.000 He was like, dude, like, this is going to hurt your career, man.

00:45:32.000 So they're saying all those years he put in to finally establish himself and get this fight, and then you quit?

00:45:39.000 And there's really no damage.

00:45:41.000 He just, it was like Mighty Mouse just all around.

00:45:44.000 He didn't know what to do.

00:45:45.000 He had no answer.

00:45:46.000 He was just like, I can't fucking, I'm just gonna get embarrassed.

00:45:48.000 I think he was getting hit a little bit more than that.

00:45:50.000 I agree with you, but I think Lomachenko was really laying it to him.

00:45:53.000 Was it, what round did they stop it in?

00:45:54.000 Seventh.

00:45:55.000 Seventh round?

00:45:56.000 The fight, the round before that.

00:45:57.000 So was it the end of the seventh?

00:45:59.000 How does that work?

00:45:59.000 Or is it the beginning of the seventh?

00:46:01.000 He doesn't come out to his corner, so it's the seventh round?

00:46:02.000 Yeah, doesn't answer the best.

00:46:04.000 So it was the sixth round, Lomachenko was just putting it to him, man, and was just really getting on him.

00:46:09.000 And I think he saw the end.

00:46:11.000 I was like, he's like, I can't even hit this guy.

00:46:14.000 I didn't have a problem with it.

00:46:15.000 I was like, yeah, you're definitely never beating him.

00:46:17.000 As a fighter, and most other fighters would go, fuck that guy.

00:46:21.000 He didn't have a fighter's heart.

00:46:22.000 He shouldn't be in there.

00:46:23.000 Yeah.

00:46:24.000 I think both arguments could be made.

00:46:27.000 I agree.

00:46:27.000 But I think I would lean more towards yours because you never know.

00:46:31.000 Look, Chavez was getting outclassed earlier in that fight with Meldrick Taylor, and he never gave up.

00:46:36.000 He kept chipping away.

00:46:37.000 And people will define you based on how quickly you're willing to give up.

00:46:42.000 But I think the skill level...

00:46:44.000 Do you know who Lomachenko is?

00:46:46.000 Mm-mm.

00:46:47.000 Dude.

00:46:47.000 He's from outer space.

00:46:48.000 He's an alien.

00:46:50.000 Boxer?

00:46:51.000 He's a bad motherfucker from Russia.

00:46:53.000 Triple H? Is he Triple H? He's a dude from Russia.

00:46:56.000 Oh, what's it?

00:46:57.000 Wait, Triple H? No, no, no.

00:46:58.000 You're thinking Triple G. Triple G? Oh, yeah.

00:47:00.000 Different guy.

00:47:01.000 Different guy.

00:47:02.000 Lomachenko's actually maybe more technical.

00:47:05.000 He's more skilled, for sure.

00:47:06.000 Pull up a Lomachenko highlights.

00:47:08.000 But Joe, to your point, to your point, the most skilled boxer in the world does no publicity.

00:47:14.000 Oh, this is the video.

00:47:15.000 Gets seven viewers.

00:47:16.000 Well, he's 125 pounds, like you were saying.

00:47:18.000 But look at this.

00:47:20.000 Look at the footwork on this dude.

00:47:22.000 His angles are filthy.

00:47:24.000 It's so hard for people to hit him clean.

00:47:26.000 He's just so technical.

00:47:29.000 Like, he just pushes dudes around.

00:47:31.000 Look, I mean, he's laying to this dude.

00:47:33.000 Oh, and you ready for this?

00:47:33.000 He has seven fights.

00:47:34.000 But Walters is hitting him, too, man.

00:47:35.000 He has seven fights.

00:47:36.000 Seven pro fights.

00:47:37.000 Yeah.

00:47:38.000 He just has so many amateur bouts.

00:47:39.000 And he's 6-1.

00:47:40.000 But look, Walters hit him a couple of times there.

00:47:42.000 See, that's where I could see your argument much more.

00:47:45.000 I mean, it's not like Walters didn't occasionally connect.

00:47:48.000 It's just for sure Lomachenko was connecting more than him.

00:47:51.000 So for him to make the decision to just opt out.

00:47:53.000 So look at that.

00:47:55.000 Come on, man.

00:47:56.000 You can't say he's not getting hit.

00:47:58.000 He's getting fucking hit.

00:47:59.000 Right there, he got hurt right there.

00:48:01.000 He's holding on to the glove.

00:48:03.000 Look, Lomachenko is all over him here, man.

00:48:06.000 I mean, it makes sense.

00:48:08.000 Gold medal winner.

00:48:09.000 He sees the end, man.

00:48:10.000 Gold medal winner twice.

00:48:11.000 Yes.

00:48:12.000 Two separate Olympics, right?

00:48:13.000 Yep.

00:48:14.000 He sees the end.

00:48:15.000 What do you mean?

00:48:15.000 He's getting fucked up.

00:48:17.000 That's why Walters quit.

00:48:18.000 Look at him in there in the corner, dude.

00:48:20.000 He's fucked up.

00:48:21.000 He's fucked up.

00:48:22.000 He's also broke mentally, too.

00:48:23.000 He's like, I can't compete with this guy.

00:48:25.000 Yeah, and I see everybody's point, but I see his point, too, at the end.

00:48:32.000 He looked like he was getting fucked up.

00:48:33.000 I wish you could have gotten into frickin' Bernard Hopkins before his last fight.

00:48:37.000 We haven't talked about that, right?

00:48:38.000 No.

00:48:41.000 Oh yeah, your Hall of Famer at 51?

00:48:43.000 Check this out.

00:48:45.000 Have you seen this?

00:48:46.000 Here's one thing I have to say about that.

00:48:48.000 Out of the ring.

00:48:49.000 Boxing needs to do something about that ring thing.

00:48:55.000 That should never be able to happen, where a guy can fall through the ropes.

00:48:59.000 And here you're talking about a guy who's been fighting for 23-something years.

00:49:03.000 How long has Hopkins been fighting?

00:49:04.000 And he can still fall through the ropes?

00:49:06.000 Like, you shouldn't have ropes.

00:49:07.000 You should have some sort of a mesh inside the ropes.

00:49:09.000 This is Joe Smith Jr. knocking out Bernard Hopkins, who falls through the ropes and lands on his fucking head.

00:49:18.000 And Smith is a bad motherfucker, dude.

00:49:20.000 This was a dangerous fight.

00:49:22.000 Smith also has arms that look like a Popeye bad guy arms.

00:49:27.000 Looks like a heavyweight.

00:49:28.000 They're like too long.

00:49:29.000 I know.

00:49:29.000 It's weird.

00:49:30.000 His arms are like too long for his body.

00:49:32.000 He's like that game.

00:49:33.000 Look at him here.

00:49:34.000 Dude, he fucked Bernard Hopkins up.

00:49:37.000 It was rough.

00:49:38.000 Look at him.

00:49:39.000 He falls on his head.

00:49:39.000 Hey, cameraman, do something.

00:49:41.000 And that was the end of the fight right there?

00:49:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:42.000 He fell on his fucking head, man.

00:49:43.000 This is the worst part.

00:49:44.000 Bernard kept going, he pushed me out of the ring.

00:49:46.000 And they showed the replay.

00:49:48.000 Then Max is in the locker room with him.

00:49:49.000 He goes, what do you think happened?

00:49:50.000 He goes, I got pushed, man.

00:49:51.000 It's bullshit.

00:49:52.000 He just landed on his fucking head.

00:49:54.000 That wasn't a real fight then, right?

00:49:56.000 No, it's a real fight.

00:49:58.000 Joe Smith was winning.

00:50:00.000 No, Joe Smith was winning the fight up until that moment.

00:50:02.000 And then he knocked him through the ropes.

00:50:04.000 With an upper count?

00:50:05.000 I don't know, man.

00:50:06.000 I think Hopkins is done.

00:50:08.000 But that's dangerous, the way he fell like that.

00:50:10.000 He fell and landed on his fucking head, man.

00:50:12.000 And no wonder why.

00:50:14.000 You can't hold him accountable for anything he's saying right now.

00:50:17.000 That guy clearly landed on his fucking head after taking some really solid shots.

00:50:22.000 You guys know the rule on that?

00:50:24.000 If you get knocked out of the ring?

00:50:25.000 No.

00:50:25.000 20 seconds.

00:50:26.000 20 seconds.

00:50:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:27.000 To jump back in.

00:50:28.000 Why do they have ropes?

00:50:30.000 Look, man.

00:50:31.000 Why don't have a mesh in between those ropes where that can't fucking happen?

00:50:34.000 Damn.

00:50:35.000 But this never happens.

00:50:36.000 But it does happen.

00:50:37.000 It's happened before.

00:50:38.000 It happened in a...

00:50:39.000 What's his name?

00:50:40.000 Ray Mercer fight?

00:50:42.000 Remember when Tommy Morrison got tangled up in the ropes?

00:50:45.000 His arms went through the ropes?

00:50:47.000 Yeah.

00:50:47.000 Guys have fallen out of the ropes before.

00:50:48.000 That's the exception, though.

00:50:49.000 He's fallen out of the ropes before.

00:50:51.000 Damn.

00:50:51.000 This isn't the first time- That's a huge fall.

00:50:53.000 Yeah.

00:50:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:54.000 The cameraman should be fired or beat when he went backstage.

00:50:57.000 I think people can fall through the ropes.

00:50:59.000 It just doesn't happen that often.

00:51:00.000 But when you get tagged like he did- And he stepped on his foot, too!

00:51:04.000 Yo, dude, he was getting lit up.

00:51:06.000 But go back- No, he threw about a seven punch combo before that.

00:51:09.000 Did you guys talk about that?

00:51:09.000 No, I didn't even see it.

00:51:10.000 Look, unless I'm retarded.

00:51:12.000 Look, look.

00:51:13.000 Look at this.

00:51:14.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:51:17.000 No, he didn't step on it.

00:51:18.000 I'm retarded.

00:51:18.000 I thought he stepped on it.

00:51:19.000 Well, it's hard to pay attention to everything in there, but that was a vicious fucking combination.

00:51:23.000 And the reason why he went through the ropes is because his legs were gone.

00:51:26.000 They gave out when his butt was down, and then he got clipped again, and his body just went limp.

00:51:32.000 He also went through the ropes because that left...

00:51:34.000 Freaking hook from Rhode Island landed square in his jaw.

00:51:38.000 That was not a push.

00:51:39.000 Not a way you want to go out.

00:51:40.000 That was assassination.

00:51:40.000 Not a way you want to go out.

00:51:41.000 I'm telling you, the worst part about that was him falling on his fucking head.

00:51:44.000 None of it's good, but yeah.

00:51:45.000 That's horrible.

00:51:47.000 How do they not have pads down there?

00:51:49.000 How do they not have some sort of a...

00:51:51.000 Like, you know that's possible.

00:51:53.000 If people fight on a platform, fucking anything can happen.

00:51:56.000 That's a better argument.

00:51:56.000 That's a better argument to have pads down.

00:51:57.000 Yeah.

00:51:57.000 That's what they should do.

00:51:58.000 They should absolutely have judo crash pads.

00:52:02.000 How hard would that be?

00:52:03.000 Have that shit as a buffer in between the tables.

00:52:06.000 Have everybody push back a little bit.

00:52:08.000 Fuck, the fact that that can happen to a guy like Hopkins, who's been fighting as long as he is?

00:52:14.000 Scary, right?

00:52:15.000 Yeah, he has to be done now, man, because that was the worst damage he's ever taken.

00:52:19.000 Yeah, he said he's done.

00:52:20.000 The thing about it, he's never been stopped.

00:52:21.000 That exchange was awful.

00:52:23.000 Not just for the punches, because he still takes a great fucking punch.

00:52:26.000 He might have went down from the punches and got up and even survived the round.

00:52:29.000 True.

00:52:29.000 But landing on your head like that is no bueno.

00:52:32.000 Oof, that's scary to watch, man.

00:52:34.000 He could have died there for sure.

00:52:35.000 Damn, that's twice I brought that up.

00:52:37.000 So extreme, but it's true.

00:52:39.000 He could have died.

00:52:39.000 He should probably stop being so extreme.

00:52:41.000 But it's not...

00:52:42.000 You guys care deeply, deeply about these fighters.

00:52:46.000 You love them.

00:52:47.000 Well, a 51-year-old falling out of the ring on concrete on his head, and he's on Mount Rushmore for boxing.

00:52:52.000 I think you gotta give him credit for taking that fight, because that guy is dangerous.

00:52:56.000 You know he picked that guy out.

00:52:57.000 He's crazy.

00:52:58.000 What the fuck?

00:52:59.000 He thought he saw something in him that he might be able to exploit, and he was wrong.

00:53:02.000 How much money did he get for that fight?

00:53:04.000 Seven dollars.

00:53:06.000 Like five million or something like that?

00:53:08.000 That's a good question.

00:53:09.000 I don't know.

00:53:09.000 Two million?

00:53:10.000 One million?

00:53:11.000 He has a deal with HBO. He's Golden Boy Productions too, right?

00:53:14.000 He's a part of Golden Boy.

00:53:16.000 So he's a promoter.

00:53:17.000 If he got one million, it's worth it.

00:53:19.000 That fall is worth it.

00:53:21.000 Not if you're a guy like Bernard.

00:53:23.000 A million to Bernard's a lot of money.

00:53:25.000 You'll be fine.

00:53:26.000 But he already has millions.

00:53:27.000 Bernard is a wealthy guy.

00:53:29.000 But still, even if it doesn't matter if he has 10 million, if he made a million for that fight, him falling on his head like that.

00:53:34.000 Not if he's never the same again, Eddie.

00:53:36.000 For brain trauma?

00:53:37.000 For a million dollars?

00:53:38.000 People would line up.

00:53:40.000 You've never had any brain trauma, huh?

00:53:44.000 That means no.

00:53:45.000 No, you haven't.

00:53:46.000 It leads to severe depression that sometimes people never get out of.

00:53:50.000 There's all sorts of real huge issues with your hormonal system.

00:53:53.000 Like you're essentially compromising the quality of your life forever.

00:53:57.000 I play peewee football.

00:53:58.000 Under certain circumstances.

00:53:59.000 Does that count?

00:54:00.000 100%.

00:54:00.000 Dude, I was nine years old.

00:54:02.000 With helmets.

00:54:03.000 But I know people that have been KO'd that were essentially never the same again.

00:54:07.000 $800,000 you made.

00:54:09.000 Definitely not worth it for him.

00:54:10.000 It was worth it.

00:54:11.000 It was worth it.

00:54:11.000 I wonder if that's the whole purse.

00:54:13.000 No big deal.

00:54:13.000 That might be just like when he got paid for the fight.

00:54:15.000 That's a lot of money, dude.

00:54:17.000 Come on.

00:54:17.000 He might have got a percentage of the promotion because he's the guy that's part of the promoter.

00:54:22.000 Even $2 million.

00:54:23.000 A guy like Bernard Hopkins is not worth it.

00:54:25.000 The problem is the way he landed.

00:54:27.000 It wasn't just the punches that he took, because he's so skilled.

00:54:29.000 He's good at moving with shots.

00:54:31.000 He was definitely going out, okay?

00:54:32.000 That left hook, his legs were going out.

00:54:34.000 He got clipped.

00:54:35.000 He got hit with hammers.

00:54:36.000 He was going out.

00:54:37.000 He was eating shots before that, too.

00:54:39.000 But if he went down in the middle of the ring, we might be thinking, you know, like, maybe he could survive the round, or maybe the referee's going to stop the fight.

00:54:46.000 He definitely wouldn't have taken that.

00:54:48.000 The real issue was his whole body was limp when he fell.

00:54:50.000 He just went right through.

00:54:52.000 It's tough to watch.

00:54:52.000 Oof.

00:54:53.000 That's awful, man.

00:54:55.000 Just put some netting in it, man.

00:54:56.000 Make it so that can happen, you know?

00:54:58.000 Remember how the old school Valley Tudo days used to have a net in the bottom rope?

00:55:02.000 Yeah, that's pretty cool.

00:55:03.000 It was pretty dope.

00:55:04.000 It doesn't have to be that ridiculous.

00:55:06.000 I like the mats.

00:55:08.000 They would let dudes fight outside the ring, like WWE. It seems like those ropes were a little loose too.

00:55:14.000 You could fall out.

00:55:15.000 Those ropes were definitely loose.

00:55:16.000 Yeah, that's not good.

00:55:17.000 That's a huge issue.

00:55:18.000 But that might have been something that Bernard liked, so he could move.

00:55:21.000 You know, Bernard is really good at moving away from shit, and if he's contained up against a hard rope, he doesn't have that ability to pull into stuff.

00:55:30.000 True.

00:55:31.000 And, you know, like, the best fighters who are really good at, like, utilizing the ropes will, like, lean back away from punches on the ropes.

00:55:39.000 And, again, it's Golden Boy promotion, so I'm sure he had some say in that.

00:55:43.000 That's a good point.

00:55:44.000 That kid was a killer.

00:55:46.000 Bad idea.

00:55:46.000 Well, he also fought, in his last fight, he fought Kovalev.

00:55:50.000 Like, he's taken on two killers in a row.

00:55:53.000 Kovalev?

00:55:53.000 Did you really think you were gonna beat that guy?

00:55:56.000 I mean, that's why we love Bernard Hopkins, but God, damn!

00:55:58.000 That just shows you where a champion that guy is, that he took those two fights, that he decided to take the crusher, and then this kid who is a relative unknown to most people, but super dangerous.

00:56:08.000 23-0?

00:56:09.000 Super.

00:56:09.000 He's got one loss.

00:56:10.000 One loss?

00:56:11.000 Yeah.

00:56:11.000 He's super fucking dangerous.

00:56:13.000 He's huge.

00:56:13.000 He's huge and he throws bombs.

00:56:15.000 I don't get it though because he does a great job at HBO doing commentating.

00:56:19.000 He's 51. What else do you need to do?

00:56:21.000 And Roy Jones is the same way.

00:56:23.000 Roy Jones will fly to Turkey, fight on some weird live stream and just get waxed in the next week.

00:56:29.000 I think Roy Jones owes a lot of money in taxes.

00:56:32.000 I think that's what's going on.

00:56:34.000 That's what I had read, that he owed millions of dollars in taxes.

00:56:37.000 From when he was a champ, maybe he got bad financial advice.

00:56:40.000 I don't know what the instances were.

00:56:43.000 That's why he does it?

00:56:44.000 Yeah.

00:56:44.000 That's a bummer.

00:56:45.000 I'm pretty sure that's what's going on.

00:56:47.000 That would make sense, because it's like, why are you fighting this random Russian?

00:56:51.000 Well, he's in Russia now, like, a lot.

00:56:53.000 Like, he's a Russian citizen.

00:56:55.000 What?

00:56:56.000 Yeah, Roy Jones Jr. is a Russian citizen.

00:56:58.000 He lives in Florida, too, though, yeah?

00:57:00.000 Might as well be Russia.

00:57:01.000 They can have it.

00:57:05.000 I'm kidding.

00:57:05.000 My sister lives there.

00:57:07.000 My sister, I'm sorry.

00:57:08.000 I'm sorry.

00:57:09.000 Her whole family's there.

00:57:10.000 It's just weird when these guys fight.

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:13.000 Kovalev is, he's a fucking district.

00:57:15.000 He's out of Florida, too.

00:57:16.000 He's been trained.

00:57:16.000 Actually, didn't he train up here for the last one?

00:57:18.000 I think he did.

00:57:19.000 I think he trained in Oxnard.

00:57:20.000 Roy Jones Jr. officially becomes Russian citizen with Moscow passport ceremony.

00:57:25.000 Wow.

00:57:26.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:57:29.000 You know what, man?

00:57:30.000 He's probably just enjoying his life over there, having a good time.

00:57:33.000 It's just hard to see.

00:57:35.000 You've got to accept who he is now and not think of who he is now versus who he used to be.

00:57:41.000 Impossible.

00:57:41.000 Yeah, that's what it really is.

00:57:43.000 Because one of the things that disturbed me, this is going to sound so fucked up, disturbed me about his last knockout loss was how his body looked.

00:57:51.000 I was looking at his body, and I was like, this is Roy Jones Jr.?

00:57:55.000 He looked like shit.

00:57:56.000 He looked like he was not fit.

00:57:58.000 And it's not an age thing, because Bernard looked really fit.

00:58:02.000 When he fought Joe Smith Jr., Bernard looked very fit.

00:58:05.000 He didn't look like he did when he was 30, but he looked very fit.

00:58:09.000 He looked in shape.

00:58:10.000 He looked in shape.

00:58:10.000 For a 51-year-old.

00:58:12.000 But when we were looking at Chavez, Chavez never looked like Melvin Manhoof.

00:58:16.000 Julio Cesar Chavez was fairly smooth.

00:58:19.000 He wasn't like this jacked dude.

00:58:21.000 Cain Velasquez, though.

00:58:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:22.000 But just would still murder guys.

00:58:24.000 So I feel like what we saw with Roy, though, was a different thing.

00:58:28.000 It's like, he can't be working out hard.

00:58:30.000 He's just showing up and hoping to murk these guys.

00:58:33.000 Well, he's so skilled and he's been doing it for so long.

00:58:36.000 He probably feels like he's got a certain amount of boxing in him.

00:58:39.000 Did you see that knockout?

00:58:40.000 It wasn't good.

00:58:41.000 And another guy he fought, he fought a fucking killer.

00:58:43.000 He fought a straight-up killer.

00:58:45.000 See, the UFC would never allow that.

00:58:47.000 Like, say...

00:58:48.000 Like, if Liddell wanted to come back.

00:58:50.000 No.

00:58:51.000 No, sir.

00:58:51.000 Well, that's one of the benefits of Dana being your friend.

00:58:55.000 You know, like, Dana just doesn't want to have...

00:58:57.000 He just does not want to be a part of that.

00:58:59.000 And he's like, I care about him.

00:59:01.000 I don't want him fighting again.

00:59:02.000 And he's right.

00:59:03.000 I don't think they'd let any of those old-timers come back in.

00:59:06.000 The problem is, you can't tell someone what they can and can't do, right?

00:59:10.000 They're a grown-ass man.

00:59:12.000 But you also have to realize, at a certain point in time, that ego that a fighter has.

00:59:19.000 But it's hard to say who's right and who's wrong.

00:59:22.000 Because they said that about Bernard Hopkins when he fought Kelly Pavlik.

00:59:26.000 When he fought Kelly Pavlik, they said he was done.

00:59:28.000 That's such the exception, Joe.

00:59:30.000 He's such the exception.

00:59:31.000 He's the alien.

00:59:32.000 But because he was that exception, we got to watch some crazy fights.

00:59:37.000 But think about the other exceptions that it never worked out.

00:59:41.000 Well, the difference is also Bernard had never been knocked out before.

00:59:43.000 True.

00:59:44.000 It was really skillful, technically, really difficult to hit.

00:59:47.000 But it also would diminish your product.

00:59:50.000 The UFC would never have Coleman come back or Don Frye.

00:59:54.000 I think if Joe Montana came back, he'd try to show him a pass right now.

00:59:57.000 What about that?

00:59:58.000 That was huge.

00:59:59.000 That was huge, though.

01:00:01.000 Yeah, that was huge.

01:00:02.000 But, you know, that fight was...

01:00:04.000 Oh, man.

01:00:05.000 It's like...

01:00:07.000 You don't want to see a certain amount of deterioration from your champs.

01:00:11.000 I don't want to see Jerry Rice catching passes right now with his fucking bad knees and balls hanging out.

01:00:15.000 I don't mind seeing old dudes fight.

01:00:17.000 Old dudes, why not?

01:00:17.000 Let them fight.

01:00:18.000 Oh, we're so worried about their old...

01:00:20.000 If they want to fight, let them fight.

01:00:22.000 You remember when Ray Mercer fought Larry Holmes?

01:00:24.000 Larry Holmes boxed his face off.

01:00:26.000 Like, god damn.

01:00:27.000 Larry Holmes was like 46 or some shit then.

01:00:29.000 We're not gonna let you fight.

01:00:30.000 Find out how old Larry Holmes was when he fought Ray Mercer.

01:00:33.000 And this is after Mike Tyson had murked him.

01:00:35.000 Mike Tyson murked him, and then Mike Tyson went to jail.

01:00:38.000 And then he's like, as long as that motherfucker's in jail, I'm boxing him.

01:00:42.000 He came back out!

01:00:43.000 He came back out!

01:00:44.000 He's out for fighting again.

01:00:45.000 He was honest as fuck.

01:00:46.000 What's that?

01:00:47.000 He was honest as fuck.

01:00:48.000 Yeah, he was honest as fuck.

01:00:49.000 He's like, dude, the king's in jail.

01:00:51.000 The cage's still lying.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, I'm coming out.

01:00:53.000 The fear everyone had when they fought Mike Tyson in those early days.

01:00:58.000 Damn, that fear.

01:00:59.000 Dude, I would have loved to have seen Larry Holmes in his prime fight Mike Tyson, though.

01:01:03.000 We got really fucked.

01:01:04.000 42. Oh, that's not that bad.

01:01:07.000 That's a different 42, though.

01:01:09.000 That's not like a 42 in 2016. That's a 1992-42.

01:01:13.000 That means zero Mexican supplements.

01:01:18.000 That's a totally different human.

01:01:20.000 That's a 1992, right?

01:01:20.000 Yeah, that's a totally different human.

01:01:22.000 Different set of 42-year-olds.

01:01:24.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:01:25.000 We don't even think about that.

01:01:26.000 Because Larry Holmes has got to be in his late 60s or some shit, right?

01:01:29.000 Well, I think he retired when he was like 51 or something like that.

01:01:32.000 I think he had a fight in his 50s.

01:01:35.000 But Larry Holmes in his prime, like the Larry Holmes that fucked up Muhammad Ali, he would give anyone a run for their money.

01:01:41.000 Those guys were scary how big they were.

01:01:44.000 That was the end of Muhammad Ali.

01:01:46.000 Oh, 100%.

01:01:47.000 You're definitely right.

01:01:49.000 But still, when you talk about like a vintage Mercer or you talk about fucking George Foreman, those guys are so big, man.

01:01:55.000 But you look at like Larry's body here, this is not the same body that he had like when he fought Ali.

01:02:00.000 He was doughier and he had like a little bit of...

01:02:04.000 Actually, it doesn't look bad right here, man.

01:02:05.000 Doesn't look bad right here.

01:02:06.000 This looks like the Larry Holmes that fought Mike Tyson, which was like...

01:02:10.000 Hands down.

01:02:11.000 Look at that.

01:02:11.000 Ooh, you look good, man.

01:02:12.000 One, two.

01:02:13.000 But a little slower than he was when he was young.

01:02:15.000 Ray Mercer was always a fucking murderer, though, man.

01:02:18.000 He was a scary dude, Ray Mercer.

01:02:21.000 Started late in his career.

01:02:22.000 Wasn't he a military guy?

01:02:23.000 Yeah.

01:02:24.000 He started in his 30s.

01:02:25.000 Olympic gold medalist.

01:02:27.000 In boxing.

01:02:28.000 And did it from the army.

01:02:30.000 He's a bad motherfucker, dude.

01:02:32.000 And he hit hard.

01:02:34.000 But Larry Holmes, once the fight wore on, got that jab working.

01:02:38.000 It's weird.

01:02:38.000 Whenever I think back to these fights, I always think those guys hit so much harder than guys now.

01:02:44.000 Well, they were knockout artists.

01:02:46.000 And a knockout artist like Ray Mercer, he could be a knockout artist in any generation.

01:02:49.000 But Larry Holmes, he would give fucking anybody today a run for their money.

01:02:55.000 Anybody.

01:02:56.000 Anthony Joshua, he would fuck up a lot of these guys, man.

01:02:59.000 Klitschko, Larry Holmes.

01:03:00.000 Like, go to Larry Holmes and beat Muhammad Ali.

01:03:02.000 Because here you're watching Larry Holmes that's like 42 years old in 1992, which is like 80 today.

01:03:09.000 85. No TRT and no vitamins and didn't know nothing about keto.

01:03:15.000 But watch.

01:03:16.000 Go full screen and then just go to like the middle of the fight, man.

01:03:20.000 Dude, I went off keto for the holidays.

01:03:23.000 Look how good Larry Holmes looked back here, man.

01:03:25.000 Oh, look at his movement.

01:03:27.000 Yeah, way leaner.

01:03:28.000 Way leaner, way faster.

01:03:29.000 And look at his head movement.

01:03:31.000 Nasty fucking jab.

01:03:32.000 That's a different Muhammad Ali, though.

01:03:33.000 Yeah, it is a different Muhammad Ali.

01:03:35.000 And it's a different Larry Holmes, too.

01:03:36.000 This is Larry Holmes, who was a punisher.

01:03:38.000 Like, look at him.

01:03:38.000 He's angry with that jab.

01:03:40.000 He's like, ah!

01:03:41.000 Ah!

01:03:42.000 He makes a mean face when he's popping him with it.

01:03:44.000 Larry Holmes was a bad motherfucker, dude, and he fought smart, too.

01:03:48.000 I mean, he respected Ali and just, like, systematically beat him down.

01:03:51.000 And it was hard to watch because Ali was way past his prime.

01:03:55.000 Way past his prime.

01:03:56.000 Such a bummer, man.

01:03:57.000 It was a huge bummer to watch because we were absolutely sure that Ali was getting fucked up.

01:04:03.000 Yep.

01:04:03.000 You knew what was going on.

01:04:04.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 There was no denying it towards, you know, the remaining rounds of the fight.

01:04:09.000 I forget how long it went.

01:04:10.000 You know the best body in boxing of all time?

01:04:12.000 You ready for this?

01:04:13.000 Evander Holyfield.

01:04:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:15.000 It's a good argument.

01:04:17.000 Jacked, son!

01:04:18.000 Yeah, he's about as jacked as you get.

01:04:20.000 What the fuck?

01:04:22.000 He was one of the first guys to legitimately put on muscle and move up to the heavyweight division, too.

01:04:27.000 Remember when he was a cruiserweight champion?

01:04:28.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 Remember when he fought Dwight Kawi?

01:04:31.000 Evander Holyfield at Cruiserweight fought Dwight Muhammad Kawi who was 5'7".

01:04:37.000 The Camden Buzzsaw.

01:04:38.000 5'7".

01:04:40.000 195 pounds.

01:04:42.000 Buzzsaw.

01:04:42.000 What a great name.

01:04:44.000 Yeah.

01:04:44.000 Dude, that dude was an animal.

01:04:45.000 He was built so weird.

01:04:47.000 And he went up to heavyweight after that.

01:04:49.000 And he fucked a lot of guys up.

01:04:51.000 At 5'7"?

01:04:52.000 Yes, Dwight Kawi.

01:04:53.000 I'm pretty sure he's 5'7".

01:04:54.000 I don't believe I'm exaggerating that.

01:04:57.000 I think he was literally an inch shorter than me, and he was fighting as a light motherfucking heavyweight and a heavyweight.

01:05:05.000 Cruiserweight is really where he started.

01:05:06.000 195. But he was a tank.

01:05:08.000 He was like this fucking jacked up looking, who's Samar Paul Harris looking dude.

01:05:12.000 Looked like Oddjob.

01:05:13.000 Yeah, but I don't know if it was supplements back then.

01:05:16.000 I think 5'6".

01:05:17.000 It was 5'6".

01:05:18.000 I was wrong.

01:05:19.000 That is a short...

01:05:20.000 190. But watch him fight, man.

01:05:23.000 It was just so weird because he was a dangerous, big, powerful guy.

01:05:27.000 Look at Evander Holyfield then.

01:05:28.000 Smooth Evander.

01:05:30.000 That's the lean Evander Holyfield coming out of the Olympics.

01:05:32.000 That's that Mike Tyson punch out of Evander.

01:05:34.000 Yeah.

01:05:35.000 It's a different Evander.

01:05:37.000 This was skinny young Evander.

01:05:38.000 But look at Kawi, man.

01:05:40.000 Just this tank of a dude.

01:05:42.000 Short and throws these looping overhand shots.

01:05:46.000 And you're always punching down on him.

01:05:47.000 Look at the size difference, man.

01:05:49.000 And just hard as nails.

01:05:51.000 A hard as nails dude.

01:05:52.000 Going bald.

01:05:53.000 I didn't give a fuck.

01:05:55.000 He's like, I'm not here to sling dick.

01:05:58.000 I'm here to sling some leather.

01:05:59.000 Look at his socks.

01:06:01.000 Leather.

01:06:01.000 Look at those socks.

01:06:03.000 Those are some 1990 sweat socks, son.

01:06:05.000 God damn.

01:06:07.000 They were killing it back then.

01:06:09.000 Kawi had a totally different approach because he was so short for that division.

01:06:12.000 When you watched him fight, it was confusing.

01:06:15.000 It's like, I've never seen this before.

01:06:17.000 Holyfield would be two feet taller than him at points because Kawi also fought crouched.

01:06:23.000 So he'd move in, tight guard, crouched.

01:06:27.000 Tyson style?

01:06:28.000 No, he had his own thing, man.

01:06:29.000 A lot of bobbing and weaving.

01:06:31.000 He didn't have the same sort of combination, ruthless, punching style that Tyson did.

01:06:35.000 Tyson could just fuck you up with one shot, and he knew it.

01:06:39.000 Kawi was like a mauler.

01:06:40.000 He would maul you, like that, right there.

01:06:42.000 But he's fighting guys way bigger than him.

01:06:45.000 You know, Tyson was probably like 5'11", right?

01:06:48.000 Wasn't he somewhere around there?

01:06:49.000 Still short.

01:06:50.000 Still short, maybe 5'10".

01:06:52.000 Still short, but a different...

01:06:54.000 Oh, Holyfield connected and drops him.

01:06:57.000 Holyfield.

01:06:57.000 Bad motherfucker.

01:06:58.000 Bad motherfucker.

01:07:00.000 Remember his fight with Burt Cooper?

01:07:02.000 Another one.

01:07:02.000 No, I don't.

01:07:03.000 Oh my goodness.

01:07:04.000 Chaos.

01:07:05.000 Burt Cooper, like, on the verge of superstardom.

01:07:08.000 And him and Holyfield go to Wizzar.

01:07:11.000 Wizzar, son.

01:07:12.000 Evander Holyfield.

01:07:13.000 I mean, just the best.

01:07:14.000 Oh, he was awesome.

01:07:15.000 Go to Holyfield versus Burt Cooper.

01:07:18.000 Dropping some boxing knowledge on you motherfuckers.

01:07:20.000 Yeah, you sure are.

01:07:21.000 Yeah, fuck it.

01:07:23.000 Eddie Bravo and I both, man.

01:07:24.000 We were huge boxing fans when we were kids.

01:07:27.000 Are you still?

01:07:27.000 I love it.

01:07:28.000 Me too.

01:07:28.000 I can't get enough of it.

01:07:29.000 Oh, he stopped him!

01:07:30.000 Look at that.

01:07:31.000 He stopped him.

01:07:32.000 Goddamn.

01:07:32.000 We've been talking about boxing for an hour.

01:07:34.000 Holy field.

01:07:35.000 Holy field, man.

01:07:37.000 In his prime.

01:07:39.000 I dropped Bob.

01:07:40.000 Oh, that was the second time they fought, Jamie.

01:07:43.000 That's the second time.

01:07:44.000 That was when Kawi was older.

01:07:45.000 See if you can find the first one.

01:07:47.000 That was the revenge fight because in the first fight they went to war and Kawi and Evander Holyfield went to war, but Kawi wound up losing the decision.

01:07:58.000 It was like a big fight for Evander.

01:08:00.000 So that was the second one.

01:08:02.000 What is this?

01:08:04.000 I thought I clicked too quick.

01:08:05.000 It's him fighting George Foreman.

01:08:07.000 George Foreman versus Kawi.

01:08:08.000 How ridiculous is that?

01:08:10.000 So George Foreman fought Kawi.

01:08:12.000 Kawi was 5'6".

01:08:13.000 George Foreman's fucking hands were a foot wide.

01:08:17.000 That's ridiculous.

01:08:18.000 He fought at 50, didn't he?

01:08:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:21.000 He won the title at 46. You know they say Foreman, hardest hitter of all time.

01:08:24.000 I believe it.

01:08:26.000 Remember that Michael Moore and George Foreman fight?

01:08:28.000 Yeah.

01:08:29.000 We dropped Michael Moore with one punch.

01:08:31.000 This was when Kawi was younger, and this was a really close fight.

01:08:35.000 This is a different fight.

01:08:36.000 The second fight, Evander was just on a totally different level, and Kawi was older.

01:08:41.000 But Kawi used to wear his waist, his pants, rather, his belt, way the fuck up high.

01:08:47.000 The straps of his shorts were like way above his belly button.

01:08:51.000 He looks like the green guy from Monsters, Inc.

01:08:54.000 There's not a lot to hit there.

01:08:57.000 No.

01:08:58.000 He's a little fire hydrant.

01:09:00.000 But this is like Holyfield's first big test.

01:09:03.000 But see if you can go to that other fight that we're talking about.

01:09:06.000 Look how lean Holyfield is, man, there.

01:09:08.000 He's so skinny.

01:09:09.000 What was the other fight?

01:09:10.000 Burt Cooper.

01:09:11.000 Go Holyfield-Burt Cooper.

01:09:13.000 Holyfield-Burt Cooper was a crazy war.

01:09:17.000 And this is like 1991, I think.

01:09:21.000 And Burt Cooper was a bad motherfucker, dude.

01:09:23.000 Smokin' Burt.

01:09:23.000 Yeah, go deep into the fight here, young Jamie.

01:09:27.000 What kind of...

01:09:27.000 Oh, okay, I'm getting a little more rocked up here, son.

01:09:30.000 Yeah, Burt Cooper was a savage, man.

01:09:31.000 He knocked motherfuckers out, too.

01:09:33.000 He's a vicious power puncher.

01:09:35.000 And this was like a sort of a make-or-break fight for him.

01:09:40.000 Because a lot of people thought that Burt Cooper could fucking crack.

01:09:44.000 And a lot of people thought that Burt Cooper had a shot at being one of the top guys.

01:09:48.000 And this was the fight that separated these two guys.

01:09:51.000 Just an awesome fight, man.

01:09:53.000 Awesome fight.

01:09:54.000 Do you ever see a Vander's crib in Atlanta?

01:09:56.000 It's not really a house.

01:09:57.000 It's more like a...

01:09:58.000 I would say like a campus.

01:10:00.000 Like a college almost.

01:10:01.000 Like a straight up fucking...

01:10:03.000 Giant university from the 1800s.

01:10:05.000 It's like USC or some shit in Atlanta.

01:10:07.000 Yeah, he had like a hundred room mansion.

01:10:09.000 What are you doing?

01:10:11.000 Balls out.

01:10:12.000 What are you doing?

01:10:13.000 He went balls out.

01:10:14.000 That's how Ron White described Larry the Cable Guy's place.

01:10:21.000 That's who it was.

01:10:21.000 He said, Larry the Cable Guy's house looks like a university.

01:10:24.000 Really?

01:10:24.000 And he was like, not Phoenix University either.

01:10:29.000 Larry the Cable Guy is a funny dude, man.

01:10:37.000 Is he?

01:10:38.000 Yeah, he's a nice guy too, man.

01:10:39.000 I used to hang with that guy in the Montreal Comedy Festival before anybody knew who he was.

01:10:44.000 And he was funny back then?

01:10:45.000 Yeah, he was a good dude, man.

01:10:46.000 He was doing that Larry the Cable Guy thing on a radio show in Florida.

01:10:50.000 It was like a character that he did.

01:10:52.000 Because he'd have his regular stand-up and that was just a bit that he'd do?

01:10:56.000 I'm not exactly sure the origins of it, but I think he started it out doing radio.

01:11:01.000 And then from radio, he started taking it to the stage.

01:11:04.000 There's videos of him as Dan Whitney doing stand-up.

01:11:07.000 Damn.

01:11:08.000 I didn't realize how big he was.

01:11:09.000 I wasn't making fun of him, but I was like, is that guy still alive?

01:11:12.000 I think we're on this show, and you're like, what?

01:11:14.000 Boom, Nebraska.

01:11:16.000 Sold out fucking arenas and shit.

01:11:19.000 Josh Wolfe took a picture of himself opening up for Larry the Cable Guy in a football arena that was sold out.

01:11:25.000 God, God.

01:11:26.000 In the South, dude?

01:11:27.000 Shut your mouth.

01:11:29.000 Shut your fucking mouth.

01:11:30.000 You gotta think, man.

01:11:32.000 NASCAR and fucking redneck jokes.

01:11:34.000 This is what you gotta think.

01:11:34.000 There are 300 and who knows how many millions in this country.

01:11:41.000 And you go down south, Larry the Cable Guy can get Millions of people to see him.

01:11:47.000 He might be able to do a million person show.

01:11:49.000 How the fuck not?

01:11:50.000 Sky's the limit.

01:11:51.000 If you had a million seat arena...

01:11:54.000 He's selling it out.

01:11:54.000 Larry the Cable Guy might sell out a fucking million seat arena.

01:11:58.000 That's not bullshit.

01:11:59.000 That's not bullshit.

01:11:59.000 What is that about?

01:12:00.000 Can you explain that?

01:12:01.000 He's a funny dude.

01:12:02.000 But he also represents them.

01:12:04.000 He's like a very good joke writer.

01:12:06.000 He's a funny guy.

01:12:07.000 Well, he also represents them.

01:12:09.000 Like, he's doing, like, redneck sort of humor.

01:12:11.000 That's their demographic.

01:12:12.000 Yeah, that's his character.

01:12:14.000 And it's really well written.

01:12:15.000 It's funny shit.

01:12:16.000 You know?

01:12:17.000 And he's a good dude.

01:12:18.000 He's a genuinely good dude.

01:12:19.000 And him and Jeff Fox were...

01:12:22.000 Jeff Foxworthy was like the captain of that ship.

01:12:25.000 Yeah.

01:12:25.000 And then those other guys.

01:12:26.000 And Ron White.

01:12:26.000 And he brought Ron White in, apparently.

01:12:29.000 And Ron White was doing well.

01:12:32.000 I mean, everybody knew who he was.

01:12:33.000 I knew who he was.

01:12:34.000 Everybody knew he was a well-respected headliner in clubs.

01:12:38.000 But people didn't really know how fucking funny he was until Jeff Foxworthy put him in front of everybody.

01:12:43.000 He's a great guy, too, man.

01:12:45.000 Is there a super dirty Southern guy?

01:12:48.000 Ron White's pretty dirty.

01:12:49.000 Oh, really?

01:12:50.000 Ron White has this whole bit about how when he was in the Navy, stationed in Hawaii, he was getting his dick sucked by hookers, and he didn't know they were girls.

01:13:00.000 They were boys.

01:13:01.000 He thought they were girls the whole time, until years later, he was watching some show about during the 1970s when he was there, all these transvestite hookers that were operating in this one block that he used to go, like, Every day to get my dick sucked.

01:13:16.000 He's like, I got my dick sucked by about 150 dudes.

01:13:23.000 He was talking about it last week on the podcast.

01:13:26.000 If you haven't heard the Ron White podcast, listen to that shit.

01:13:28.000 He's a genius.

01:13:29.000 He's a brilliant storyteller.

01:13:31.000 He's from stand-up.

01:13:32.000 He's such a good dude, too.

01:13:34.000 So he's the blue country guy.

01:13:37.000 Yeah, he's the dirty country guy, for sure.

01:13:39.000 But there's a bunch of those guys.

01:13:40.000 You know what, man?

01:13:40.000 It's just...

01:13:42.000 I think when it comes to what we think of as country, what we think of as the South, I think people who live in cities are very prejudiced of it.

01:13:50.000 I don't think it's the same thing today as it was 20 years ago.

01:13:54.000 I think with the internet, everybody knows things now, man.

01:13:58.000 Everybody understands things way better now than they ever did before.

01:14:01.000 If you lived in West Virginia in the 1970s, you probably, if you lived in a real rural coal mining community or something like that, man, Good luck getting any sort of access to any information other than what's right in front of you in your town.

01:14:16.000 But now, now you've got a phone.

01:14:19.000 And anybody tells you something, you can just check your phone and go, well, that's not really true.

01:14:22.000 You know, I just Googled it.

01:14:24.000 And Stephen Hawking says that this is...

01:14:26.000 And these kids, they can be way more informed today than they were back then.

01:14:31.000 So I think when people think of the rural South as being like, I think that was a problem with this last election.

01:14:37.000 I think a lot of people thought, like, That there's certain people that live in certain places that are just stupid.

01:14:44.000 You know, the red states.

01:14:46.000 And these people are ignorant.

01:14:48.000 And they proved it with the election.

01:14:50.000 The problem with even saying that is, people don't like when certain people Talk shit about them.

01:14:58.000 They don't like it, right?

01:14:59.000 It makes them feel bad.

01:15:00.000 If you make fun of people who live in West Virginia like I just did, people in West Virginia get pissed off, right?

01:15:05.000 They're not the same people anymore.

01:15:08.000 Our ideas of these spots of the country where they don't have information, we've got to let go of that idea.

01:15:16.000 They're definitely leaning more right in some places than left, and that makes sense, but...

01:15:21.000 There's still a ton of fucking people that get it in these places that didn't exist just 20 years ago.

01:15:28.000 Well, yeah, because, especially to your point, because of the smartphones.

01:15:32.000 Like, everyone thinks they're like, oh, heck yeah!

01:15:34.000 Like, what's going on out there?

01:15:35.000 But they're fucking, it's easy, like you said, to even bring up Google or whatever.

01:15:39.000 Any news.

01:15:40.000 Like, my dad and I, my dad's in town, we're in an argument, and he's arguing at some point, and I was like, oh, cool.

01:15:45.000 Just went on my phone.

01:15:46.000 I was like, nope, wrong.

01:15:47.000 There you go.

01:15:48.000 End of discussion.

01:15:49.000 So I don't know what you want to do.

01:15:50.000 Yeah.

01:15:52.000 Well, people just have these ideas in their head, and they've had them for a long time.

01:15:56.000 And, you know, if you live in a rural community and you don't have the internet, you could just stick with those ideas, and those ideas will be transferred onto your kids, and transferred onto their kids, and you're fucked.

01:16:07.000 You're fucked if you live in a tough spot like that.

01:16:10.000 If you live in a bad place, filled with dumb people, and there's no new stuff coming in, you gotta get the fuck out, and you don't even know how you're gonna get out.

01:16:17.000 Or if you just don't have access, like North Korea, they just have no fucking clue what's going on.

01:16:22.000 Did you see what they were making them do, North Korea, what Kim Jong-un was making them do on Christmas?

01:16:27.000 No.

01:16:28.000 He makes people worship the mother of the revolution.

01:16:31.000 His grandmother, who was the wife of the first dictator, Of North Korea.

01:16:37.000 She died of mysterious causes in like 1949. And so he is so anti-Christmas, this guy.

01:16:44.000 He literally is like a character in a Dr. Seuss movie.

01:16:48.000 He's so anti-Christmas.

01:16:50.000 He's like the Grinch.

01:16:51.000 So they have to celebrate his dead?

01:16:52.000 They have to celebrate his grandmother, like the mother of the revolution.

01:16:56.000 You know, the U.S. made 18 Korean cities disappear during that war.

01:17:03.000 Look at that.

01:17:04.000 And that's why he, I mean, 18 cities disappeared.

01:17:08.000 What do you mean?

01:17:09.000 In the war, in the Korean War.

01:17:11.000 We firebombed 18 cities.

01:17:13.000 In the North Korea?

01:17:14.000 Yes.

01:17:15.000 And then the whole, that's when the regime started.

01:17:18.000 Well, the Korean War, when did that end?

01:17:25.000 50s?

01:17:26.000 Sometime in the 50s.

01:17:27.000 It was a weird war, right?

01:17:29.000 People don't really talk about that one too much.

01:17:30.000 Yeah, they don't talk about it, but they did...

01:17:32.000 I was watching a documentary about how doctors, they're allowed to go into...

01:17:38.000 North Korea and fix people's eyes.

01:17:41.000 They give them like a month and these doctors from China, they come in and they do the cataract surgery and his assistant snuck in.

01:17:48.000 She was a journalist.

01:17:49.000 She posed as an assistant just to get in, just to get some footage on the inside.

01:17:54.000 So it was about, you know, it is fucking weird in North Korea.

01:17:57.000 It's weird as fuck and that guy is crazy as fuck.

01:17:59.000 But at the top of that documentary that was not pro-North Korea, it was It was anti-North Korea, but at the very top of it, when she's breaking down with the documentaries about it, she mentioned how 18 cities evaporated in the war.

01:18:15.000 That's war, son.

01:18:16.000 Exactly.

01:18:17.000 No wonder there's so much hate for the fucking U.S. Yeah, but that's not what their issue is.

01:18:23.000 Their issue is their dictator is ruthless and is dominating them with fear.

01:18:28.000 But he bases it on that.

01:18:29.000 But that doesn't make any sense.

01:18:31.000 He's doing it against his own people.

01:18:32.000 What he's doing is imprisoning his entire country.

01:18:35.000 Of course, he's crazy.

01:18:36.000 I agree with that.

01:18:37.000 I agree with that.

01:18:38.000 Firebombing 18 cities is fucking disgusting.

01:18:40.000 Yeah, think about that, though.

01:18:41.000 This is almost just as bad.

01:18:43.000 It's almost like you could understand.

01:18:44.000 He was an abused child, you know what I mean?

01:18:47.000 Can you imagine if there was a country out there that firebombed 18 of our major cities, how would we feel about that country?

01:18:57.000 You'd be fucking lynched if you said anything pro that country.

01:19:01.000 It would be that kind of country.

01:19:04.000 That's like Holocaust type shit.

01:19:06.000 You bring up that shit, you'd be fucking dead.

01:19:08.000 You'd keep that shit to yourself.

01:19:09.000 Well, that's what you ever talk to someone who's Armenian, who's spoken to an Armenian genocide denier?

01:19:16.000 There's a lot of, like, that Armenian genocide is a very rarely discussed Holocaust.

01:19:23.000 I mean, not the Holocaust, but, like, you know, in terms of the used word to describe an atrocity.

01:19:28.000 It was a terrible thing, and there's deniers of that.

01:19:31.000 And when you find an Armenian and you talk to him about people that deny the Armenian genocide...

01:19:36.000 Yeesh.

01:19:37.000 Remember Manny Gamburian?

01:19:39.000 He won a fight and I was interviewing him after the fight and he was dedicating the fight to the Armenian genocide, to the victims of the Armenian genocide.

01:19:48.000 Okay.

01:19:49.000 And I remember thinking, wow, when was the last time you even heard about that?

01:19:53.000 Nobody ever talks about that.

01:19:54.000 Never.

01:19:55.000 It never gets discussed.

01:19:56.000 I think over a million people died.

01:19:58.000 And I'm pretty sure LA has the biggest...

01:20:01.000 Armenian population?

01:20:03.000 Armenian population, right?

01:20:04.000 Pretty sure.

01:20:05.000 Hell yeah, you go to Glendale?

01:20:06.000 Fuck yeah.

01:20:07.000 Wow.

01:20:09.000 Okay, the United States dropped 635 tons of bombs in Korea, not counting 32,557 tons of napalm, compared to 503 tons in the entire Pacific theater in World War II. At least 50% of 18 out of the North's 22 major cities were obliterated.

01:20:31.000 Holy shit.

01:20:35.000 Holy shit.

01:20:36.000 Right?

01:20:36.000 Was I right?

01:20:37.000 Yeah, you're 100% right.

01:20:38.000 I mean, this is the internet.

01:20:39.000 Are we in the library?

01:20:40.000 Did you get that from library.com?

01:20:42.000 Listen, that is terrifying.

01:20:44.000 Look at the images up there.

01:20:46.000 Napalm bombs.

01:20:47.000 So you kind of...

01:20:47.000 Look at that, Eddie.

01:20:48.000 Kim Jong-Will, or whatever the fuck his name is, is crazy as fuck, for sure.

01:20:52.000 But you kind of understand when someone's really crazy and they've been abused and tortured as a child, you kind of have empathy for them.

01:21:00.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:21:01.000 But I guess the argument would be that if they didn't do it, what was the war over?

01:21:07.000 The war was over communism, right?

01:21:09.000 So what happened at the end of the war was that the two different countries, they became North and South Korea?

01:21:16.000 I don't know the details.

01:21:18.000 I know it's probably fucked up.

01:21:20.000 Find out when North Korea was founded.

01:21:24.000 Because this was like the takeover.

01:21:29.000 18 different cities destroyed out of...

01:21:32.000 How many did they say?

01:21:33.000 22?

01:21:34.000 When was South Korea and when was North Korea formed?

01:21:38.000 And when did it become North and South Korea?

01:21:41.000 50s.

01:21:42.000 In the 50s sometimes.

01:21:43.000 So before that it was just all Korea?

01:21:45.000 I'm not sure.

01:21:46.000 I don't know that much about the history.

01:21:47.000 Why do I not know this?

01:21:48.000 All I know is we firebombed 18 other cities, man.

01:21:52.000 That's some devastating shit.

01:21:54.000 And we talk about all these different...

01:21:58.000 Well, I think, again, back then, man, you never...

01:22:04.000 Okay, North Korea's history, 1945. The partition of Korea at the end of World War II. Interesting.

01:22:13.000 The creation of the communist-aligned Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

01:22:17.000 Okay.

01:22:18.000 Kim Il-sung in 1950, the Korean War broke out.

01:22:22.000 So they broke off in 1945 and wanted to be communist.

01:22:28.000 Five years later, we were going to war with them.

01:22:32.000 Man, I don't know the history of it.

01:22:34.000 I'd be talking shit if I said I had an opinion on it.

01:22:37.000 But it sounds awful.

01:22:39.000 I'm pretty sure, I'm guessing that we shouldn't have been up in their fucking mess.

01:22:44.000 Unless we were worried that he was going to become another Hitler.

01:22:47.000 And that it was going to become just a further extension of World War II. Again, the history of World War II, that is like, we don't really know the history of World War II. There's that mainstream history and then there's the real shit.

01:23:00.000 Well, you know, World War I too.

01:23:02.000 Both of them are just like...

01:23:03.000 World War I is very bizarre, man.

01:23:06.000 When you go back and listen to Dan Carlin talk about World War I, you realize how recent that was where most of these guys were walking everywhere.

01:23:14.000 Walking everywhere with guns.

01:23:15.000 You're like, what?

01:23:16.000 Like, yeah, that's what they did.

01:23:17.000 They walked.

01:23:18.000 They walked with guns.

01:23:19.000 They walked across countries.

01:23:21.000 It was like Braveheart with guns.

01:23:23.000 It is ridiculous when you realize, like, that was a hundred years ago.

01:23:26.000 You go, holy shit.

01:23:28.000 Like, what has happened?

01:23:29.000 And now instead of just, you know, 50 years after that, less.

01:23:34.000 Less than 50 years after that, they're napalming entire cities.

01:23:37.000 Wiping out whole cities.

01:23:38.000 Like, the ability, where it used to be, you had, like, cannons and shit that you had to move.

01:23:43.000 And push them closer and closer to people.

01:23:45.000 The difference between that and being able to drop shit out of planes on people's heads.

01:23:50.000 Well, drones now.

01:23:50.000 Like ISIS, they get out of the car and just...

01:23:52.000 Intercontinental ballistic missiles.

01:23:55.000 Missiles that are pointed at Russia.

01:23:57.000 And Russia's got them pointed at us.

01:23:59.000 And we just go, yeah, yeah.

01:24:00.000 We're like the fucking Hatfields and the McCoys.

01:24:02.000 Just staring at the barrel.

01:24:04.000 More than Sam.

01:24:05.000 More than Ralph.

01:24:06.000 More than Ralph.

01:24:07.000 Like that fucking sheepdog and the coyote.

01:24:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:11.000 Old school reference.

01:24:13.000 Mornin' Ralph.

01:24:14.000 Mornin' Ralph.

01:24:15.000 They would punch in.

01:24:16.000 The sheepdog would beat the fuck out of the coyote all day long.

01:24:19.000 At the end, they would punch out and leave.

01:24:21.000 Dude, that rooster on there.

01:24:22.000 What was he?

01:24:22.000 A rooster?

01:24:23.000 He was racist as fuck, if you remember him.

01:24:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:25.000 I said, I said, come here, boy.

01:24:27.000 Foghorn leg.

01:24:28.000 God, Foghorn was racist.

01:24:30.000 Was he racist?

01:24:30.000 Yeah, if you listen, I said, come here, boy!

01:24:33.000 And he kept doing that.

01:24:34.000 But he was talking to chickens.

01:24:35.000 No, he would say some racist shit.

01:24:37.000 He was talking to chickens, though, bro.

01:24:38.000 He wasn't even talking to people.

01:24:40.000 Racist.

01:24:41.000 Racist doesn't count with animals.

01:24:42.000 It doesn't?

01:24:43.000 We're all racist.

01:24:44.000 We prefer squirrels over rats.

01:24:47.000 You see a rat, you freak out.

01:24:48.000 No, I like a nice rat.

01:24:49.000 You see a squirrel, you don't mind your kid playing on the grass with a squirrel on a tree near it.

01:24:53.000 See, I like a rat.

01:24:54.000 Yeah, but if you saw a squirrel, alright, if your kid was in the grass, having a good time, playing around with a ball, and then like a hundred yards away, there was a tree with a squirrel on it.

01:25:04.000 What kind of squirrel are we talking about?

01:25:06.000 You wouldn't give a fuck.

01:25:06.000 Any kind of squirrel.

01:25:07.000 That big bushy tail?

01:25:08.000 Yeah, cute little fella.

01:25:09.000 Yeah, I like those too.

01:25:10.000 He's got a nut.

01:25:11.000 Yeah, there's no problems.

01:25:12.000 There's no problems.

01:25:13.000 Right.

01:25:13.000 If he was like 50 feet from your kid, would you freak out?

01:25:16.000 I wouldn't be comfortable.

01:25:17.000 No, I wouldn't do anything.

01:25:19.000 You wouldn't care.

01:25:20.000 Just a squirrel.

01:25:21.000 Squirrels don't do anything to babies.

01:25:23.000 But if that was a rat 50 feet from your kid, you'd freak the fuck out, right?

01:25:27.000 Yeah, well, because rats are so dirty.

01:25:29.000 Because you're racist.

01:25:30.000 What if that rat was clean?

01:25:32.000 What if that rat was trying to better the rat community?

01:25:34.000 What if that rat was a leader?

01:25:35.000 What if that rat was the one rat trying to elevate the other rats?

01:25:39.000 We don't need to be eating garbage and cannibalizing each other.

01:25:41.000 Let's be friends!

01:25:43.000 We need to build homes.

01:25:44.000 We need to establish communities.

01:25:45.000 We need to teach people about rat traps.

01:25:47.000 I like rats.

01:25:48.000 Yeah, what if we're supposed to survive on rats and roaches?

01:25:54.000 But if we did, that would fuck the economy up.

01:25:58.000 Well, you know all these assholes that want to kill coyotes, man.

01:26:00.000 If there wasn't for coyotes, we'd have roaches and rats at least everywhere.

01:26:04.000 Coyotes eat rats?

01:26:05.000 Fuck yeah, they do.

01:26:06.000 That's like the main diet.

01:26:07.000 Their main diet is like rats and rabbits and shit.

01:26:10.000 Release a bunch of coyotes to New York, man.

01:26:12.000 And go wild.

01:26:12.000 They're already there.

01:26:14.000 Coyotes are?

01:26:14.000 Coyotes are.

01:26:15.000 Not like the city, though.

01:26:16.000 We even like the sewers and shit.

01:26:17.000 They're in the city.

01:26:18.000 Dude, coyotes are in every city in the country.

01:26:21.000 I just got done reading this book on them, Coyote America.

01:26:24.000 Tim, you read a book on coyotes?

01:26:26.000 Crazy book, man.

01:26:27.000 By a guest that's coming on soon.

01:26:29.000 Coyote turned up in Middle Village, Queens on April 27th.

01:26:32.000 It was generally received as a freakish incident, but it wasn't even the first sighting of 2015. There's many coyotes that live in Central Park.

01:26:42.000 There's coyotes that live in Queens.

01:26:44.000 Yeah, they live all over Manhattan.

01:26:46.000 Well they're going where the food's at, right?

01:26:47.000 They go everywhere.

01:26:48.000 They're all over the country.

01:26:49.000 They're a small wolf that lives in every single city, every single state, all over the country.

01:26:56.000 We really don't kill them.

01:26:58.000 We can't have them in the city.

01:26:59.000 We tried to kill them.

01:27:00.000 The biggest mass effort to eradicate a species ever was on coyotes and wolves.

01:27:05.000 First wolves, which was successful, then coyotes.

01:27:08.000 Not only does it not work, it has the opposite effect.

01:27:11.000 When you hear coyotes screaming, they're doing will call.

01:27:15.000 They're just like, who's here?

01:27:16.000 Who's here?

01:27:18.000 They're trying to find out who's in attendance.

01:27:21.000 After the attendance calls over, if one's missing or two's missing, if they think someone's dead or gone, the female has more babies.

01:27:29.000 So the female will go from having four puppies to having 10 or 15. And then they also stretch their range out.

01:27:34.000 They're different than wolves in that wolves have to operate in packs.

01:27:37.000 Coyotes can operate as a singular or in packs.

01:27:41.000 Now, what was that?

01:27:42.000 Okay, roll call and then someone's missing.

01:27:44.000 It was really attendance.

01:27:45.000 And then what happens?

01:27:46.000 The mama starts making more babies.

01:27:47.000 If they're missing.

01:27:48.000 So if someone's missing, say if they have a pack, the pack is like eight coyotes, but one coyote gets jacked by a mountain lion.

01:27:54.000 They yell out, and when they find out that that coyote's missing, the females say, we need to make more babies.

01:28:00.000 And to keep their species alive, they produce more offspring.

01:28:04.000 So they'll go from having four pups.

01:28:06.000 No, no, no.

01:28:07.000 Their pups are larger groups.

01:28:08.000 So from four pups to having like 10 to 13. It's like the body produces more babies.

01:28:15.000 Damn.

01:28:16.000 So they're smarter than the wolves?

01:28:17.000 Oh, yeah!

01:28:18.000 Dude, they're just smaller.

01:28:20.000 They're fucking ridiculously smart.

01:28:22.000 They're sneaky.

01:28:24.000 And they're smart enough to know to not attack humans.

01:28:27.000 Yeah.

01:28:27.000 We leave them alone if we don't attack them.

01:28:30.000 You don't hear a lot of coyote attacks.

01:28:32.000 No.

01:28:32.000 On dogs and shit.

01:28:33.000 That's the only reason they're around.

01:28:34.000 It's because they don't attack.

01:28:35.000 They just happen to not be scared.

01:28:37.000 If they weren't scared of humans and attack, they'd be gone.

01:28:39.000 This professor that I've got coming on the podcast, Dan Flores, who wrote that book, Coyote America, what he said is that coyotes, a couple hundred years ago, they were only in the West Coast.

01:28:54.000 And as people pushed them away, they started establishing new territories.

01:28:59.000 Us making cities and going after them made them spread out across the whole country.

01:29:05.000 Jesus.

01:29:07.000 And there's people that don't understand this.

01:29:09.000 He got approached by this, because people know he's a coyote expert.

01:29:12.000 He got approached by these people that were doing this coyote rescue mission.

01:29:17.000 Like, we're here to save the coyotes.

01:29:18.000 The coyote's doing great.

01:29:21.000 You're here to save it.

01:29:22.000 Save it from what?

01:29:23.000 They're everywhere.

01:29:24.000 They literally have populated quietly and sneakily the entire country.

01:29:29.000 And all efforts to eradicate them failed.

01:29:33.000 When they have male wolves, they can cyanide like a horse.

01:29:37.000 They take a horse and they'll shoot a male wolf and then they take his balls and his dick and they rub his scent and his glands all over this animal so that the other wolves recognize that he's been there.

01:29:50.000 So they think it's safe to eat.

01:29:52.000 So they start eating this horse that's been cyanided.

01:29:54.000 And then they would all die.

01:29:56.000 And so they would attack these packs of wolves that way.

01:30:00.000 They would shoot the male.

01:30:02.000 They would take his scent, put it on his meat, take a horse, shoot the horse, inject him with cyanide immediately.

01:30:06.000 So it went through his entire nervous system or his entire circulation system.

01:30:11.000 And so all the meat would be poisoned.

01:30:13.000 And they did that.

01:30:13.000 And they eradicated wolves throughout the entire West Coast until they brought them back into Yellowstone in the 1990s.

01:30:18.000 They were like virtually gone.

01:30:20.000 Big ass animal too.

01:30:22.000 I was reading an article that they're thinking about building a bridge over the 405, and I didn't know this, there's fucking mountain lines.

01:30:29.000 Oh yeah.

01:30:29.000 Like in Topanga Canyon, but someone hit one in a car because they're trying to cross over.

01:30:34.000 They're trying to cross the 405 highway.

01:30:37.000 Well they have a problem.

01:30:38.000 And they want to build a little ramp.

01:30:40.000 They're in almost a land, they're in like a land island, like around the Malibu area.

01:30:45.000 Yeah, that's what they're trying to do.

01:30:46.000 Just to keep the big monsters alive.

01:30:49.000 Right?

01:30:50.000 Yeah, one of them killed 11 alpacas in a goat in Malibu just a couple of weeks ago.

01:30:55.000 They put a depredation order on it.

01:30:57.000 They were going to kill it.

01:30:58.000 But this lady who owned the farm got so much hate mail after they said they were going to kill the mountain lion that she changed her mind.

01:31:04.000 Why would you kill it?

01:31:05.000 Because mountain lion doing mountain lion shit?

01:31:07.000 Because she has a farm up there.

01:31:08.000 That's her living is making these alpacas and this thing...

01:31:11.000 Jacked 11 of them.

01:31:12.000 That's what you sign up for, lady.

01:31:14.000 In a way, right?

01:31:15.000 But if it's killing your food and killing your living, that's why you make a living is by selling alpacas or doing...

01:31:23.000 I don't know.

01:31:23.000 What the fuck is an alpaca?

01:31:24.000 Who the fuck's hustling alpacas?

01:31:26.000 Who's hustling llamas in Malibu?

01:31:28.000 What do you think you do with them?

01:31:30.000 Rent them to rich kids' birthday parties?

01:31:32.000 What the fuck do you do with a llama in Malibu?

01:31:35.000 Llamas just sweating their asses off?

01:31:37.000 There was a dude who owned a comedy connection that had llamas.

01:31:40.000 He had llamas living in his yard.

01:31:41.000 Alpaca.

01:31:42.000 It's a species...

01:31:42.000 Don't they spit too?

01:31:44.000 They spit like a motherfucker at you.

01:31:45.000 It's a species of South American camelid.

01:31:48.000 It's a camel.

01:31:49.000 It resembles a small llama in appearance.

01:31:51.000 There are two breeds of alpaca.

01:31:53.000 Wow.

01:31:54.000 So anyway, this lion in one day...

01:31:57.000 Jacked 11 of these things and just left them there.

01:31:59.000 Damn, they're big.

01:32:00.000 Oh, it didn't eat it.

01:32:01.000 Just killed them.

01:32:02.000 He just had a good old time killing them.

01:32:04.000 Yeah, you gotta get rid of that one.

01:32:05.000 Yeah.

01:32:06.000 Is there a problem with wolves and hunters?

01:32:08.000 Do they attack hunters, or do they flee?

01:32:10.000 They certainly would.

01:32:11.000 I had a friend who was cornered by wolves.

01:32:14.000 They tried to take his elk, and they wound up killing, I think, two or three wolves.

01:32:18.000 I think they killed three wolves.

01:32:20.000 I would have to listen to the story again.

01:32:22.000 He had one friend with a rifle and him with a bow.

01:32:24.000 He killed two of them with a bow, and the guy with him killed one of them with a rifle.

01:32:28.000 And they were surrounding them, and they were trying to get the elk away from them.

01:32:31.000 Makes sense.

01:32:32.000 They fucked up.

01:32:33.000 They didn't know that they were in the wolves' den.

01:32:35.000 It was like that fucking The Grey movie.

01:32:37.000 They shot this elk right near the wolves' den.

01:32:40.000 And the wolves were like, yeah, we'll take that, dude.

01:32:42.000 Yeah, it's some natural shit.

01:32:43.000 Yeah, and they surrounded these dudes and started rushing them.

01:32:47.000 Like, really, it's a crazy fucking story.

01:32:49.000 The other ones took off.

01:32:51.000 They were like, fuck this.

01:32:52.000 The gun, I think, probably scared them.

01:32:54.000 They're like, oh, these motherfuckers have guns.

01:32:55.000 And they did their call.

01:32:57.000 They did their attendance call.

01:32:59.000 And they were surrounding them.

01:33:01.000 But the wolves must have realized, oh, shit, they killed two of us.

01:33:05.000 There's two that are gone.

01:33:06.000 And then they killed a third.

01:33:07.000 And they're like, that's it.

01:33:09.000 And he said he had the alpha male in his sights, and he had his bow drawn back, and the wolf took off running.

01:33:15.000 And when the wolf took off running, the rest of the pack went too.

01:33:17.000 They were like, fuck this.

01:33:18.000 They're lucky they had a gun and not just those bow and arrows.

01:33:20.000 So lucky.

01:33:21.000 With a pack of them?

01:33:21.000 So lucky.

01:33:22.000 Not only that, lucky it's not just one dude with a bow and arrow.

01:33:25.000 Like, if you didn't have that guy having fun with him...

01:33:27.000 Would've been fucked.

01:33:28.000 You know what's strange is killer whales have no problem killing other dolphins and other whales.

01:33:33.000 They go after them and hunt them.

01:33:34.000 Yeah.

01:33:35.000 How come they don't go after humans like that?

01:33:37.000 Oh, they have.

01:33:38.000 Have they?

01:33:39.000 Yeah, there's videos of them.

01:33:39.000 But only in SeaWorld.

01:33:41.000 No, no, no.

01:33:42.000 Forget about SeaWorld.

01:33:43.000 No, there's been a regular one in the ocean.

01:33:45.000 What?

01:33:45.000 In the wild.

01:33:46.000 I've never heard of that.

01:33:46.000 Yeah, I grabbed a lady and said, See ya, zonk.

01:33:49.000 No, no, no, no.

01:33:50.000 I think you're thinking of a story that happened in SeaWorld.

01:33:52.000 No, I'm positive.

01:33:54.000 This is in the ocean.

01:33:55.000 He grabs the lady or the guy by the leg and just fucking takes off.

01:33:59.000 Kills him?

01:33:59.000 Takes off.

01:34:01.000 But how often, how many reports are there of killer whales attacking humans?

01:34:07.000 I mean, does it happen?

01:34:08.000 Almost none.

01:34:09.000 They go after dolphins and other whales like it ain't shit.

01:34:12.000 They have fun with it.

01:34:13.000 They kill great whites too.

01:34:13.000 Yeah, they have fun with it.

01:34:15.000 They go after other mammals.

01:34:17.000 So why wouldn't the, oh, no humans.

01:34:18.000 Are they that smart to know?

01:34:20.000 Dolphins too, man.

01:34:21.000 Are they like coyotes?

01:34:22.000 Are they like coyotes?

01:34:23.000 Like, you know what?

01:34:23.000 If we fuck with humans, they're going to come after us.

01:34:26.000 Are they smart enough to know not to fuck with us?

01:34:29.000 Or are they being...

01:34:29.000 Is it like a spiritual thing?

01:34:30.000 What is it?

01:34:31.000 There's a bogus story that I read online that I repeated on the podcast before I looked it up.

01:34:35.000 But the bogus story that I'm pretty sure Adam Carolla told me or some...

01:34:40.000 I don't remember where I got it from.

01:34:42.000 But the bogus story was that before...

01:34:45.000 I don't think Adam Carolla believes this, by the way.

01:34:47.000 Before World War II, they used to attack us.

01:34:50.000 But then once they used to do target practice with them from planes...

01:34:56.000 Killer Whale stopped attacking us.

01:34:57.000 Turned out to not be a true story at all, but- That's what a killer story.

01:35:00.000 What a great story it'd be if it was true.

01:35:02.000 Sounds like some- She used to fuck with us and they're like, oh, check this out.

01:35:09.000 And they're like, yeah, alright.

01:35:11.000 We'll help you guys.

01:35:12.000 If you fall in the water, we'll pull you out.

01:35:14.000 Just please stop.

01:35:14.000 Please.

01:35:15.000 Stop that.

01:35:16.000 Yeah.

01:35:16.000 We could work together.

01:35:18.000 Yeah.

01:35:18.000 Killer whales are gnarly, man.

01:35:19.000 Yeah, what's up with that?

01:35:20.000 The gnarliest.

01:35:21.000 Or maybe...

01:35:22.000 See if you found anything, Jamie?

01:35:24.000 Or maybe there's a big cover-up.

01:35:25.000 Maybe they kill humans all the time.

01:35:27.000 I think it's a guy in a pond.

01:35:29.000 No, it's the exception.

01:35:31.000 Like, obviously they don't hunt people, but grab this fucking lady by the ankle and was like, yoink!

01:35:35.000 I don't know about that, man.

01:35:37.000 I never heard that.

01:35:37.000 I'd like to see it.

01:35:38.000 Did you see that at the library?

01:35:41.000 Where do you get your animal news from?

01:35:43.000 Where do you get your news from, bro?

01:35:44.000 Hey, bro.

01:35:44.000 Callum sent me that.

01:35:45.000 Is there a YouTube video about it?

01:35:47.000 Yes or no?

01:35:50.000 I found one fake one.

01:35:52.000 I see one from SeaWorld.

01:35:55.000 There's one where a Japanese whaling crew was eaten alive by killer whales.

01:35:59.000 Is that fake?

01:36:00.000 It's not a video.

01:36:01.000 It just says it's a story.

01:36:03.000 What was the story?

01:36:05.000 Japanese crew was eaten alive by killer whales.

01:36:08.000 That's one of those fucking fake news stories.

01:36:11.000 You hear that fake news thing about Pakistan?

01:36:14.000 They literally were ready to go to war.

01:36:17.000 With, uh, what was the, I tweeted it earlier today.

01:36:20.000 Someone believed some fake news story.

01:36:22.000 I'm not believing this story.

01:36:23.000 There's other news things on there.

01:36:26.000 So it's a fake news story about fake news?

01:36:27.000 A guy lost 200 pounds by jacking off 14 times.

01:36:29.000 But no, no, no.

01:36:29.000 That was not CNN. It's from the same site.

01:36:31.000 No, this is not from CNN. But the one that I tweeted earlier today.

01:36:33.000 I saw that.

01:36:34.000 That was a fake news story.

01:36:35.000 I'll pull that up right now.

01:36:36.000 Right.

01:36:36.000 That was about, but it was on CNN, about a fake news story.

01:36:40.000 Right?

01:36:40.000 And then they bought into it and about to go to war?

01:36:42.000 Someone bought into it, but the story about the war, the potential for war wasn't fake, was it?

01:36:48.000 The Pakistan minister issues just popped up.

01:36:51.000 Put it up there.

01:36:52.000 A nuclear warning to Israel after being tricked by fake news.

01:36:54.000 Right.

01:36:55.000 But that's what I was talking about.

01:36:56.000 So that's real, right?

01:36:58.000 That's not fake news.

01:36:59.000 The ultimate trolling?

01:37:00.000 Dude, when they're talking about fake news sites, that's the fake shit.

01:37:04.000 This is the fake shit.

01:37:07.000 Either way, whoever wrote fake news.

01:37:10.000 Look at that quote.

01:37:11.000 First of all, shitty...

01:37:13.000 Being tricked by fake news sites, they keep putting that out there, because they're going to censor real shit, and it's going to be government, state-run.

01:37:20.000 They're going China-style.

01:37:21.000 They already do it in China.

01:37:22.000 You can't watch anything you want in China.

01:37:26.000 You go to China, anybody can go to China, but guess what?

01:37:28.000 You can't watch regular YouTube.

01:37:30.000 Why don't they have a space between Pakistan's and Defense Minister?

01:37:33.000 This is fucking CNN. How about you put a goddamn space in between your words, you shitty, lazy editors.

01:37:39.000 It's early, man.

01:37:40.000 What is it, Jamie?

01:37:41.000 This is the telegraph.co.uk.

01:37:44.000 Oh, okay.

01:37:45.000 This one is?

01:37:45.000 So what's the CNN one?

01:37:48.000 I don't know.

01:37:48.000 There was a CNN one that I tweeted.

01:37:50.000 This is not exactly what I tweeted.

01:37:51.000 But either way, the whole thing is very bizarre.

01:37:55.000 So Homeboy got trolled and was about to say, we'll take you to war, bitch.

01:37:59.000 Here it is, right here.

01:38:02.000 Yeah, there's a CNN article.

01:38:03.000 Duped by fake news story.

01:38:04.000 Pakistani minister threatens nuclear war with Israel.

01:38:08.000 What they're trying to do is put out, scare people with fake news sites so that they could go in there and have a reason to censor and everyone's going to go, yeah, fuck fake news sites.

01:38:20.000 Let's fucking censor.

01:38:21.000 Okay, don't get emotional.

01:38:22.000 Let's just communicate here.

01:38:24.000 Anytime you see something like that in quotes, they go, fake news sites, tricked by fake news sites.

01:38:29.000 People are going to go, yes, it's fake.

01:38:32.000 You don't see that shit?

01:38:33.000 It's honey dick in your face right there.

01:38:36.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:38:37.000 Who's making these fake news sites?

01:38:38.000 And wouldn't it be in the best interest of the government to make fake news sites of their own so that they could have a reason to not have fake news sites around?

01:38:48.000 But do you think they could literally stop people from putting stuff out on the internet?

01:38:54.000 I mean, if that's the ultimate goal.

01:38:56.000 No, what they're doing is they're going to censor the top alternative media news sites.

01:39:00.000 They're going after them.

01:39:01.000 That's the target.

01:39:02.000 This is a big trick that's going on.

01:39:03.000 You're saying like CNN? No, no.

01:39:05.000 He's saying like Breitbart or...

01:39:08.000 Yeah, like Drudge, Infowars.

01:39:10.000 They're putting out the real shit, but they got control of the media, so they're saying, oh, that's fake news.

01:39:16.000 So they're creating a fake news problem.

01:39:20.000 That isn't there so that they can go in and censor the real shit.

01:39:23.000 It's a fucking trick.

01:39:25.000 If you see it on CNN, I called it, every headline, being tricked by fake news.

01:39:29.000 They're getting everyone going, yeah, fake news sucks, fuck that.

01:39:33.000 Then they're going, yeah, it does, right?

01:39:34.000 Look, here's another fake news site.

01:39:35.000 And people are being tricked and doing all this crazy shit and walking into pizza places with fucking machine guns.

01:39:40.000 Yeah, let's talk fake news.

01:39:42.000 What do we gotta do?

01:39:42.000 Let's just sign it.

01:39:43.000 Boom.

01:39:44.000 They're going China style.

01:39:46.000 They're going to censor the internet.

01:39:48.000 It'll never work.

01:39:48.000 They're going to blacklist you.

01:39:50.000 If you're a news site that's credible and you're fucking with the agenda, boom, they're going to go, hey, that's fake news.

01:39:56.000 Dude, you're off.

01:39:57.000 We're in the middle of that right now.

01:39:59.000 We're being assaulted with people being tricked by fake news.

01:40:03.000 When have you been tricked by fucking fake news?

01:40:05.000 They're not tricking us.

01:40:06.000 The fake news is tricking you.

01:40:08.000 Settle down.

01:40:08.000 Anybody can be tricked by fake news.

01:40:10.000 For sure, they can be.

01:40:11.000 And the question is, who's actually doing it?

01:40:15.000 Is the government doing it so they can crack down on alternative news sites like WikiLeaks or anybody that's putting out stuff that doesn't agree with their agenda?

01:40:24.000 Or is there a real issue?

01:40:26.000 Is there a real issue and that?

01:40:27.000 That's what I say.

01:40:28.000 I say there's both.

01:40:29.000 I say the government for sure would benefit from there being less sources of news and more that they can control.

01:40:35.000 And being able to put the wraps on someone like Edward Snowden and not allow that to happen, for sure they would definitely benefit from that.

01:40:41.000 But there's also a bunch of people writing some fake articles.

01:40:44.000 And they do it for profit.

01:40:46.000 They do it for clicks.

01:40:47.000 There's one dude that's doing it for- There's a lot of fake shit out there.

01:40:49.000 They de-interviewed him and he was doing some- Don't wow, Eddie.

01:40:52.000 Please.

01:40:53.000 Just be rational when you're talking about stuff.

01:40:55.000 We're not disagreeing with you.

01:40:57.000 We disagree with you.

01:40:57.000 We're saying it's all the above.

01:40:59.000 When I'm saying that people get paid to write fake news, I'm saying they get money from ad clicks.

01:41:06.000 They can make $10,000, $13,000 a month.

01:41:08.000 They interviewed this dude who did it and he started getting out of control with it.

01:41:11.000 He did it to troll Republican people and then he realized how much ad sense he can make from doing that.

01:41:15.000 He's making a fucking sizable chunk of money.

01:41:19.000 Ballin'.

01:41:19.000 So there's those guys, but then there's also for sure there would be government agencies that would almost be – it would be their responsibility to control information.

01:41:28.000 Like if you wanted to control information, one of the best ways to do it would be put out disinformation, cloud the story.

01:41:34.000 That's subterfuge.

01:41:35.000 That's been going on in the CIA and the NSA. That's been going on in all of these – Secretive intelligence community groups, they do that forever.

01:41:45.000 If you pay attention to what we absolutely know about how they engage with the enemy, they use every tactic.

01:41:51.000 They don't not use deception.

01:41:53.000 They don't not use...

01:41:54.000 Propaganda.

01:41:55.000 The $450 million plus they spent on those fake terrorist videos.

01:42:00.000 Yeah.

01:42:01.000 But they also had, in their mind, a legitimate reason for doing that.

01:42:06.000 No, that's what they said.

01:42:07.000 You're right, you're right, but it could be both.

01:42:10.000 See, their legitimate reason is they have a real player.

01:42:13.000 This is how you watch those videos, or it's in a real player.

01:42:15.000 When you click into a real player, it checks your IP. It knows your IP so it can figure out where you're coming from.

01:42:21.000 So if they could target pockets of people in certain terrorist-rich parts of the world where they knew that there was a bunch of ISIS people or what have you, if they put out some recruitment video and they can find that there's a lot of people that are watching it in certain areas, they can Sort of,

01:42:37.000 in their mind, triangulate where these terrorists could be located.

01:42:41.000 I love an idea.

01:42:42.000 But it's both, Eddie.

01:42:44.000 It's both.

01:42:45.000 That's their cover story.

01:42:47.000 But it is both.

01:42:48.000 ISIS does exist.

01:42:49.000 There are bad people in the world.

01:42:51.000 There are terrorists in the world.

01:42:52.000 Kim Jong-un is a real guy.

01:42:54.000 He is a dictator over his entire country.

01:42:57.000 There's a bunch of people in ISIS that have fucking billions of dollars.

01:43:01.000 Where are they getting this money from is what I'm talking about.

01:43:03.000 Of course they exist.

01:43:05.000 Of course...

01:43:05.000 Royal families, there's a lot of sources.

01:43:07.000 They're being funded by a lot of motherfuckers.

01:43:09.000 And when you see who they're being funded by, you're like, you ain't gonna fall for that cover story.

01:43:14.000 That's all bullshit.

01:43:15.000 I don't think you're right.

01:43:16.000 I think it's both.

01:43:17.000 Okay.

01:43:18.000 That's what I think.

01:43:18.000 I think everybody's going after it.

01:43:20.000 I don't think they're trying to stop ISIS, man.

01:43:22.000 There's nobody trying to stop ISIS. They're encouraging it.

01:43:25.000 They love it.

01:43:26.000 They need it.

01:43:26.000 They need fear.

01:43:27.000 I don't know if that's the case.

01:43:28.000 What does it say?

01:43:29.000 In case you didn't know, the United States funds and arms terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS when it needs them to disrupt the country.

01:43:35.000 This is Dr. Jill Stein, who is running for president, and she said this the day of Christmas.

01:43:39.000 She doesn't give a fuck.

01:43:40.000 That bitch is ruthless.

01:43:42.000 She's ruthless.

01:43:43.000 Fuck you.

01:43:44.000 She's woke as fuck.

01:43:45.000 She's woke.

01:43:45.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:43:47.000 Dr. Jill is woke as fuck.

01:43:48.000 When you know this and it makes sense, you can follow the money, you're like, okay, it totally makes sense.

01:43:52.000 The criminals is, oh yeah, it makes sense.

01:43:54.000 Criminals do this kind of shit.

01:43:56.000 You should always, always be suspect of the people running the show.

01:43:59.000 They're criminals.

01:44:00.000 So you never go, oh, you know, if someone tells you, someone's obsessed with, like, let's say, You know, some famous killer, I don't know, like John Gotti or whatever, some criminal or whoever, and he's obsessed with them and he knows a lot of shit about this murder, that murder,

01:44:15.000 this racket, that racket, this criminal activity.

01:44:20.000 If he told you, yeah, you know what other murder he was involved in and you talk about it, no dude's going to say, Ah, now how do you know that's true?

01:44:29.000 How do you know that's true?

01:44:30.000 Where's the evidence of that?

01:44:31.000 You're probably going to go, you take his word for it, this guy's a criminal, he's fucked up all this other shit, and then he tells you about some new shit he fucked up.

01:44:40.000 You're probably, like a normal guy, I'd go, yeah, even if he's wrong, I mean, he's still a criminal, but probably, I haven't looked into it, But it's like that when you can follow the money so easily and you just see the racket and you're just like, oh man, anytime CNN is attacking fake news,

01:44:57.000 they're creating a fake news problem.

01:44:59.000 I didn't follow what you were saying there until you got to the fake news part.

01:45:06.000 No, you're talking about the government's reason for paying a UK publicity firm $500 million to make fake ISIS and Al-Qaeda videos.

01:45:17.000 Was it $500,000 or $500 million?

01:45:20.000 I thought it was $450 million.

01:45:21.000 To me...

01:45:22.000 I don't want to be wrong about that.

01:45:24.000 That's a big wrong.

01:45:25.000 If I say $500,000, I think it's $500 million.

01:45:27.000 I thought it was $450 million.

01:45:29.000 So when you see that, let's say you just saw that quote and you believed it.

01:45:32.000 Let's say she's right.

01:45:33.000 Just pretend she's right.

01:45:35.000 Who's she?

01:45:35.000 Whatever that chick.

01:45:37.000 Jill Woke Stein.

01:45:38.000 Oh, Jill Stein.

01:45:38.000 What she's talking about, Eddie, is also funding the Mujahideen, which we were pretty open about.

01:45:45.000 That's what became...

01:45:47.000 The Islamic terrorists of today.

01:45:49.000 The people that they funded against the Russians.

01:45:51.000 Let me finish real quick.

01:45:52.000 When you see a statement like that, and there's many people saying that, but there's a...

01:45:57.000 Man, there's one...

01:45:57.000 Just say, that's true what she just said.

01:45:59.000 And then you find out that the government paid $500 million to make fake ISIS videos.

01:46:05.000 They're funding them...

01:46:07.000 And then they're making fake ISIS videos.

01:46:10.000 Sounds like they want to blow that shit up, you know?

01:46:12.000 So when you see the cover story, when the government says, the criminal says, the criminal says, uh, what we were doing is we were making CDs and we were like dispersing them.

01:46:21.000 And then so that people would get them and then they would play them.

01:46:24.000 And we, you know, you know, we did, we did only a terrorist would play that CD. So then we could track their IP address.

01:46:30.000 To me, that's like some serious horse shit.

01:46:34.000 No, but we do it the same in the drug industry.

01:46:36.000 If they catch a drug dealer, they flip him or use him for something to get to the bigger play there, which is the drug kingpin, right?

01:46:43.000 So same thing with this.

01:46:44.000 They might fund those ridiculous videos.

01:46:47.000 It's like you sound like the attorney for the criminal.

01:46:50.000 But no, Eddie, the problem is you think there's only one way to this.

01:46:53.000 I think there's a lack of nuance in the idea of this.

01:46:59.000 I think it's both.

01:47:00.000 Mm-hmm.

01:47:01.000 I think, for sure, the government is going to make some fake shit.

01:47:03.000 I mean, they told us they were going to do it to fight the war on crime or to fight the war on terror.

01:47:07.000 They told us they were going to do that.

01:47:09.000 They told us they were going to do it.

01:47:10.000 They do it in plain sight.

01:47:11.000 They're not having shit because people just go along with it.

01:47:13.000 Of course.

01:47:13.000 For sure.

01:47:13.000 100%.

01:47:14.000 But also, there's also people that are in charge of making sure...

01:47:18.000 It's not like everybody who is in the CIA or the FBI or any of these organizations is a part of some gigantic...

01:47:24.000 No one said that.

01:47:25.000 When did I say that?

01:47:26.000 You didn't.

01:47:26.000 I never said that.

01:47:27.000 Only a couple people.

01:47:29.000 But the idea that all the rest of them would know that it's bullshit and they would go along with it, I don't think that's the case.

01:47:34.000 I think what they're trying to do is figure out ways where they could locate terrorists.

01:47:38.000 If they figured out a way they could locate a terrorist and it's through IP checking of people who watch terrorist recruitment videos, I don't think that's a bad idea.

01:47:45.000 It might not get everybody and it might not even work, but it's not a bad idea.

01:47:50.000 They're doing a decent job.

01:47:51.000 Have you seen, now just switch subjects a little bit, but have you seen- But hold on a second.

01:47:54.000 Don't you think that there's got to be some way, if there are legitimate terrorists in the world and you're trying to find them, there's got to be some way to find them.

01:48:01.000 That's a good way to find them.

01:48:03.000 My IP address is if they're clicking on those videos.

01:48:06.000 They're funding them.

01:48:06.000 Why would they try to find them?

01:48:08.000 But who is they, Eddie?

01:48:09.000 Is it the same people?

01:48:10.000 That's my point.

01:48:11.000 Is it the same people that are in charge of making these videos to try to find these people?

01:48:20.000 Are they the same people that are also completely aware that they're funding them?

01:48:24.000 Or is there a bunch of different factions all working together and each one of them doesn't completely be honest with the other?

01:48:32.000 Yeah, I could see that.

01:48:34.000 Definitely most of the CIA, most of the FBI, good, honest, hard-working people.

01:48:41.000 It's just people, key people in certain spots.

01:48:44.000 I mean, they're funding ISIS. That's just one quote.

01:48:47.000 There's many, many quotes.

01:48:49.000 But let's just say that was true, that quote, what that chick said, that's true.

01:48:52.000 Okay, we're funding them?

01:48:53.000 That chick.

01:48:54.000 Presidential candidate Jill Stein.

01:48:56.000 Yeah.

01:48:57.000 That chick.

01:48:58.000 She's not the first one to say that.

01:48:59.000 But anyways, let's just say that statement is true.

01:49:03.000 If it's true, if they're funding ISIS, yes, there's probably low-level people saying, hey, how are we going to stop ISIS? But the overall agenda is not to stop it.

01:49:17.000 If they're funding it, why are they going to stop it?

01:49:20.000 They want to blow it up.

01:49:21.000 They're funding it.

01:49:22.000 You'd put two and two together.

01:49:24.000 First of all, they're criminals at the top.

01:49:25.000 We know that.

01:49:26.000 Everybody knows.

01:49:27.000 Everybody knows that.

01:49:28.000 So we got to treat them like a detective would.

01:49:32.000 Like your average bullshit-ass detective would go, this criminal?

01:49:36.000 No detective would ever look at a criminal and go, ah!

01:49:39.000 There's no way he would do that.

01:49:41.000 He doesn't have the time to do it.

01:49:42.000 He's not that smart.

01:49:44.000 He doesn't have the smarts.

01:49:45.000 He's so unorganized.

01:49:47.000 No detective would say that.

01:49:50.000 He'd be like, you know what?

01:49:51.000 You're a fucking criminal.

01:49:52.000 Let's look.

01:49:53.000 Maybe you are innocent.

01:49:54.000 Maybe you are.

01:49:55.000 But goddamn, look at the money trail.

01:49:57.000 Look at all this circumstantial evidence.

01:50:00.000 It's just, damn.

01:50:01.000 You know, look at it.

01:50:02.000 And then the hardcore evidence, documents and shit.

01:50:04.000 But if you ask ISIS, they're not gonna tell you they're winning.

01:50:06.000 Like, they're getting fucked up, man.

01:50:08.000 Who knows what they're saying?

01:50:09.000 They're funding them, and they have control of the media.

01:50:12.000 Who fucking knows what the fuck is going on?

01:50:15.000 Who really knows?

01:50:16.000 Nobody knows what the fuck's going on.

01:50:18.000 You see how ISIS used to use Twitter and certain things, so they'd get followers to see stuff and organize plans?

01:50:24.000 Well, Twitter has someone who's just 24-7, mercs those accounts, where you can't have them anymore.

01:50:30.000 Now they use Telegraph.

01:50:31.000 You know what that is?

01:50:32.000 No.

01:50:32.000 Where you can organize a private chat room, so whatever, they have a code word, so all those ISIS followers go there.

01:50:40.000 And then they logged in, and somehow some guy got into it, because you have to prove everyone in these secret chat rooms.

01:50:47.000 I think?

01:51:04.000 You know, I create it so everyone can use it, man.

01:51:08.000 It's high-level security.

01:51:09.000 I create for that.

01:51:10.000 And this dude's just getting fucking reamed for it.

01:51:12.000 Does he not have the ability to step in?

01:51:15.000 He does have the ability to step in.

01:51:16.000 He's in Russia, but what happens is these accounts go up, and then after you're done there, they're erased forever.

01:51:22.000 That's why people use them.

01:51:24.000 Wow.

01:51:25.000 Interesting.

01:51:26.000 Israeli hackers have said this.

01:51:27.000 It's a crazy time, dude.

01:51:29.000 It's a crazy time.

01:51:30.000 And then his point, he goes, I didn't create a fucking telegram for ISIS, but just like anything, we create something good.

01:51:37.000 Bad people follow.

01:51:38.000 I can't control that.

01:51:39.000 Jamie, what was that guy that you kept telling me about?

01:51:40.000 Was it Gary Vaynerchuk?

01:51:42.000 Is that the guy?

01:51:42.000 Yeah.

01:51:42.000 I saw an interview with him, man, and he was talking about people using phones.

01:51:48.000 And this lady goes, isn't it terrible what we're doing to these young people using phones?

01:51:52.000 And he was like, look, you're looking at human evolution.

01:51:55.000 We're not doing anything to these people.

01:51:56.000 This is what people are doing.

01:51:58.000 And just step back and look at what's happening.

01:52:01.000 And he was saying that because we're just going to be looking in the future back at this time, like this is the good old days before virtual reality.

01:52:08.000 For sure.

01:52:08.000 It seems to me that all these things are competing together, that taking over various aspects of the world, controlling global resources like oil and things along those lines.

01:52:18.000 And they have windmills now that are the size of fucking 747s.

01:52:22.000 Have you seen these gigantic windmills that they're putting together?

01:52:24.000 Trying to figure out how to dominate the production of electricity and oil and gas and keep money flowing.

01:52:30.000 And all the while, we're getting drawn deeper and deeper into this electronic world.

01:52:35.000 We've got some weird shit going on in our future, folks.

01:52:38.000 Weird Matrix-style shit.

01:52:40.000 Did you see in Dubai, they're building it now, those tubes?

01:52:43.000 So you can get from Dubai to wherever in like 30 minutes.

01:52:46.000 Oh, those Hyperloops?

01:52:48.000 Elon Musk is the one who came up with it, but in Dubai, they're the first ones to actually fund it and raise the money, and they're building it now.

01:52:54.000 Ooh, that's scary.

01:52:55.000 That's a plane on the ground, son.

01:52:56.000 That's going on right now, son.

01:52:58.000 Jump in a tube and just...

01:53:01.000 Imagine the feeling of going 500 miles an hour.

01:53:04.000 Is this it?

01:53:05.000 Hyperloop.

01:53:06.000 500 mile an hour Hyperloop train.

01:53:08.000 That's not that fast.

01:53:10.000 It takes you from Abu Dhabi to Dubai in 12 minutes.

01:53:13.000 12 minutes, son.

01:53:14.000 That's amazing.

01:53:15.000 They're saying if they do it right in America, you're going to be able to live in L.A., work in New York every day.

01:53:20.000 Oh, my God.

01:53:21.000 Fuck all that.

01:53:22.000 Can you imagine that tube?

01:53:23.000 Who's jumping in that tube first?

01:53:25.000 You're going to be in that tube for, what, at least 500 miles an hour?

01:53:28.000 Five hours.

01:53:29.000 No, no, that's just starting.

01:53:31.000 Straight tube?

01:53:32.000 Fuck that.

01:53:32.000 Elon Musk was saying like 1,200 miles an hour is what they're playing.

01:53:36.000 500 miles an hour is, I think, like a plane flies.

01:53:40.000 I don't think it's any faster than a plane.

01:53:41.000 I ain't going no tube.

01:53:43.000 Underground?

01:53:44.000 That's true, yeah.

01:53:44.000 They shoot you in a tube?

01:53:46.000 So 500 miles an hour in a plane...

01:53:51.000 It takes you five hours to go across the country.

01:53:56.000 It's inevitable.

01:53:58.000 They're gonna do it.

01:54:00.000 If it's 1200 miles an hour, that's probably two and a half hours.

01:54:07.000 That's still a long time to be in a tube.

01:54:09.000 Unless it's a big, comfortable tube and you can walk around this tube.

01:54:13.000 How big is this tube?

01:54:16.000 Is it worse to smell people's farts in a tube going 500 miles an hour on the ground or in a tube going 500 miles an hour in the sky?

01:54:24.000 The sky, the plane, that shit.

01:54:25.000 How often do you just say, fuck it, I cannot hold these motherfuckers.

01:54:30.000 That's so fucking rude!

01:54:32.000 How often?

01:54:32.000 That shit is so rude.

01:54:33.000 Because most of the time you hold it in, right?

01:54:35.000 Most of the time and try to time it for the bathroom.

01:54:37.000 You gotta do your best.

01:54:37.000 You gotta be a goddamn good citizen to hold it, man.

01:54:40.000 Have you ever just said, fuck it, I'm just gonna go for it and whatever.

01:54:43.000 I'm just gonna keep my eyes closed.

01:54:44.000 Put your...

01:54:45.000 Eyeshades on and pretend you're asleep and just let them go.

01:54:48.000 Dudes do that to me all the time.

01:54:50.000 Every now and then I'm like, oh, this guy decided to just go for it.

01:54:54.000 I'm like, I don't know.

01:54:54.000 It could either be this guy or that guy.

01:54:56.000 And that recycled air just fucking your world up.

01:54:58.000 There's got to be like a suction thing in the seat.

01:55:02.000 So like a little button you press and it sucks.

01:55:04.000 Air filter.

01:55:04.000 Yeah, it sucks the air out.

01:55:06.000 It does help.

01:55:07.000 You keep that fan blowing on you.

01:55:09.000 That shit does help a lot.

01:55:11.000 It does help, but it's not good enough.

01:55:13.000 I bet that fan was probably for the farts.

01:55:16.000 It had to be for the farts.

01:55:18.000 Probably.

01:55:18.000 Why else would you have a fucking fan?

01:55:20.000 Wherever in a restaurant you have a fan blowing on you, just get some air.

01:55:23.000 That blows that hard.

01:55:24.000 Yeah, hard.

01:55:25.000 You push farts away.

01:55:27.000 They need to fix that problem in planes.

01:55:29.000 I bet they did.

01:55:30.000 I bet they invented that for the farts and they never talked about it.

01:55:33.000 Fart fans.

01:55:34.000 It's a fart fan.

01:55:35.000 It's got to be for farts.

01:55:37.000 100%.

01:55:38.000 Or, you know what?

01:55:39.000 Back when people used to smoke on planes.

01:55:41.000 That's when they had them.

01:55:42.000 Remember that?

01:55:43.000 Yeah.

01:55:43.000 They used to smoke on planes, and then it got to the point where you could only smoke in the back, so they had a smoking section.

01:55:48.000 Yo, I used to fly back then.

01:55:50.000 What?

01:55:50.000 It was crazy.

01:55:52.000 That's before my time.

01:55:53.000 I would be in those sections, man, because that's where you could buy tickets.

01:55:57.000 Like, they would say the only tickets that are available are the smoking section, and they would cost less.

01:56:01.000 You go into that fucking smoking section, just sit down, people around you are lighting up.

01:56:05.000 Oh my god!

01:56:07.000 In a tube?

01:56:07.000 I would throw up.

01:56:10.000 Come on, the whole plane is smoking section at that point.

01:56:13.000 Yeah, Dice Clay used to have a whole bit about it.

01:56:14.000 We're in a fucking tube!

01:56:17.000 You don't have to go back there!

01:56:19.000 Everybody's breathing the same fucking air!

01:56:22.000 Oh!

01:56:24.000 He had this whole bit about it, man.

01:56:25.000 It was fucking hilarious.

01:56:27.000 Yeah, it was a weird time.

01:56:28.000 People used to be able to smoke everywhere.

01:56:30.000 In restaurants, in bars, everywhere you went, people would smoke in movie theaters, man.

01:56:34.000 I love that you can't.

01:56:35.000 I love that you can't.

01:56:36.000 They would tell you not to smoke in movie theaters.

01:56:38.000 People would do it all the time.

01:56:39.000 People would get mad at them.

01:56:40.000 Hey, man, put it out.

01:56:42.000 Fuck you.

01:56:42.000 That was one of those laws.

01:56:44.000 I mean, the government worked.

01:56:47.000 Holy shit.

01:56:48.000 It worked.

01:56:49.000 Because that was a good law.

01:56:51.000 You know why?

01:56:51.000 Because people were filing lawsuits.

01:56:53.000 A lot of people that worked inside restaurants and bars, they were getting cancer.

01:56:57.000 They were getting lung cancer from secondhand smoke.

01:56:59.000 Imagine if your job was to be a waitress and you had to go to this fucking bar every day.

01:57:03.000 People go, oh, guess you shouldn't be there.

01:57:05.000 Well, it's a good job.

01:57:06.000 Why should you be subject to being poisoned at a good job?

01:57:10.000 It's not like drinking.

01:57:12.000 If you're drinking and I'm not drinking, I'm right next to you, I don't suffer anything.

01:57:15.000 But if you're smoking right next to me, and especially if you work in a place where everybody's smoking, Man, you're gonna die.

01:57:21.000 Strip club, baby.

01:57:22.000 I never got into cigarettes.

01:57:23.000 You guys ever fuck with cigarettes?

01:57:24.000 No, but I've had them before I go on stage before with Tony Hinchcliffe.

01:57:28.000 I've taken a few drags off of them.

01:57:30.000 He does.

01:57:31.000 Yeah, they fire you up, dude.

01:57:32.000 It's a stimulant.

01:57:34.000 It's very much like a nootropic.

01:57:36.000 Really?

01:57:37.000 Very, very bad for your body, for sure.

01:57:39.000 But stimulant in itself, like tobacco is a stimulant, for sure.

01:57:45.000 100%.

01:57:45.000 Like, if you could chew, I think it would probably be the better move.

01:57:49.000 Like, Donald gave me some of his chew when I was here, and I was like, whoa!

01:57:52.000 Like, this stuff fires you up.

01:57:54.000 Does it get you kind of, like, buzzed?

01:57:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:57:57.000 That's why people smoke cigars, bro.

01:57:59.000 Bro.

01:58:00.000 Bro.

01:58:01.000 I don't know where that came from.

01:58:01.000 I'm trying to slow that down.

01:58:03.000 I'm trying to cut way back on the bros, but occasionally they sneak through.

01:58:06.000 You just can't deny the broness, man.

01:58:08.000 It's like if they ruined bro by calling anybody who's an asshole a bro.

01:58:13.000 Come on, bro!

01:58:14.000 He's a bro.

01:58:15.000 But yeah, man, for sure.

01:58:18.000 There's a...

01:58:19.000 There's no doubt about it.

01:58:21.000 It's a definite stimulant.

01:58:22.000 If you smoke a cigar, you get a buzz.

01:58:24.000 You don't see a lot of smokers these days, though.

01:58:27.000 They're smart.

01:58:27.000 People are smartening up.

01:58:28.000 Well, you hang out with athletes.

01:58:30.000 I hang out with zero athletes, sir.

01:58:32.000 You hang out with comedians that don't smoke?

01:58:34.000 Yeah.

01:58:34.000 Comedians don't smoke these days?

01:58:36.000 Way less.

01:58:36.000 Really?

01:58:37.000 Way less.

01:58:38.000 It used to be almost everybody smoked.

01:58:39.000 Chris D'Elia doesn't even drink.

01:58:41.000 Yeah.

01:58:41.000 He doesn't drink.

01:58:42.000 Drink or smoke.

01:58:43.000 There's a lot of guys who don't drink.

01:58:45.000 But back in the day, man, most guys smoked.

01:58:48.000 Like, Ari used to smoke.

01:58:49.000 Duncan used to smoke.

01:58:49.000 Joe used to smoke.

01:58:50.000 And you never did.

01:58:51.000 No, no, I never smoked.

01:58:53.000 No.

01:58:53.000 Was the athlete in you?

01:58:54.000 Yeah, I was healthy.

01:58:55.000 I was still working out.

01:58:56.000 Yeah.

01:58:57.000 Like, all the time I was doing stand-up.

01:58:58.000 In the beginning I was kickboxing.

01:58:59.000 Then I got into jiu-jitsu.

01:59:00.000 I did jiu-jitsu straight through.

01:59:02.000 Like, I never didn't exercise.

01:59:03.000 Yeah, you can't smoke cigarettes and do jiu-jitsu.

01:59:06.000 I mean, on a regular...

01:59:07.000 You can, but you're going to get fucked.

01:59:08.000 It's tough.

01:59:09.000 You're going to miss a lot.

01:59:10.000 It's tough.

01:59:11.000 I mean, you're not just working out, you're playing a game of death, and if you tap out because you fucking gas out, you got tapped out, and that never feels that good.

01:59:19.000 That's why jiu-jitsu is so, people get obsessed with it so much.

01:59:23.000 That's why Joe Schilling is a crazy example.

01:59:25.000 He's crazy.

01:59:26.000 He smokes.

01:59:27.000 Joe Schilling is a world-class kickboxer, and he smokes.

01:59:30.000 Smoking's down?

01:59:31.000 All the time.

01:59:32.000 Whoa.

01:59:32.000 Pack a day.

01:59:33.000 Whoa!

01:59:34.000 That's amazing.

01:59:35.000 Did he say he smokes a pack a day?

01:59:37.000 Not in camp.

01:59:38.000 He said he's cutting back, but I think he was up to that, yeah.

01:59:40.000 Yeah, not in camp.

01:59:41.000 He quit for a little while, did it again.

01:59:42.000 He needs to get on one of them robot dicks.

01:59:44.000 Suck on one of them robot dicks.

01:59:46.000 Those vaporized things.

01:59:48.000 Start sucking dick.

01:59:49.000 Those strawberry clouts.

01:59:51.000 Yeah.

01:59:51.000 They do smell nice, too.

01:59:52.000 They smell good.

01:59:53.000 I don't mind if people do those.

01:59:54.000 I don't think it gives you the buzz that a cigarette does, though.

01:59:56.000 I think a cigarette gives you a very specific buzz.

01:59:59.000 All those chemicals and the thick smoke.

02:00:01.000 There's a fucking, if anyone's come back and talked more theories on conspiracies, which is always wonderful.

02:00:07.000 He gets so worked up.

02:00:08.000 He's so mad.

02:00:09.000 He gets so worked up.

02:00:10.000 We barely talked about the UFC. Everybody's so mad right now.

02:00:13.000 Zero.

02:00:13.000 Tough shit.

02:00:14.000 Zero.

02:00:15.000 Tough shit.

02:00:16.000 That's what we do.

02:00:17.000 That's what we do.

02:00:18.000 That's how it goes, folks.

02:00:19.000 We're all like, yeah, UFC campaign.

02:00:21.000 That'd be so much fun.

02:00:22.000 So much fun.

02:00:22.000 We still have time.

02:00:23.000 But they did...

02:00:25.000 The FDA approved like 500 plus chemicals to put them in a cigarette.

02:00:30.000 They're all designed to make you more and more addicted to it.

02:00:33.000 Yeah, but did you know cigarettes have never been...

02:00:35.000 Less popular in my generation, they think is going to be the final kind of straw to get rid of smoking.

02:00:41.000 Because now it's just, it's more of a healthier kind of vibe now with millennials and stuff like that.

02:00:46.000 So smoking is, you're fucked.

02:00:48.000 Like really no one's doing it.

02:00:49.000 I wonder if Chew will carry on.

02:00:51.000 They need more of those dudes to get their jaw removed.

02:00:54.000 You don't see a lot of Chewers either, do you?

02:00:56.000 Because we're up here.

02:00:58.000 We're in California.

02:00:59.000 If we're down south in Georgia or some shit like that, I bet they're chewing left and right.

02:01:03.000 That's your point.

02:01:03.000 What if you had like a hidden camera and you put it on the chew section of a store?

02:01:08.000 A lot of chewies.

02:01:09.000 I bet a lot of fucking sloppy looking...

02:01:12.000 You call them chewies?

02:01:13.000 People who chew?

02:01:14.000 Chewies.

02:01:14.000 I don't know.

02:01:15.000 You could do if you want to.

02:01:17.000 You a chewy?

02:01:18.000 Like have a club?

02:01:19.000 Yeah.

02:01:20.000 I don't think so.

02:01:21.000 You don't think they call chewies?

02:01:22.000 I don't think that's going to work.

02:01:24.000 No.

02:01:26.000 We're talking about the smoke business.

02:01:27.000 You can chew, and Donald has fantastic cardio, and he chews.

02:01:31.000 Or dips.

02:01:32.000 Was it a dip or a chip?

02:01:33.000 A dip.

02:01:33.000 Dip.

02:01:34.000 Dip.

02:01:34.000 Pretty much the same thing.

02:01:35.000 Pretty much the same thing, but the chew is like, remember those old school baseball players who look like squirrels?

02:01:39.000 Yes.

02:01:39.000 They have that shit, like a...

02:01:42.000 Lenny Deitstra.

02:01:43.000 Yeah.

02:01:43.000 You know what's really crazy, man?

02:01:45.000 That is probably very similar to what it feels like when you're chewing those coca leaves.

02:01:50.000 But the coca leaves are illegal.

02:01:52.000 Like when those guys in Peru, they take those coca leaves and they put them in the side of their mouth and they chew on them and they chew on them all the time.

02:01:58.000 And you also get actual vitamins from the flavonoids, I guess.

02:02:05.000 Goddamn, son.

02:02:05.000 Yeah, look at that guy.

02:02:06.000 Do you need that many?

02:02:07.000 Yeah.

02:02:08.000 That's cat, Jamie.

02:02:09.000 That's the wrong stuff.

02:02:10.000 You want coca leaves.

02:02:13.000 That's a stimulant, or a narcotic, rather.

02:02:17.000 That cat stuff is very much like, not a narcotic, it's like meth.

02:02:20.000 Damn!

02:02:21.000 Out of a plant?

02:02:22.000 Yeah, it makes them crazy.

02:02:23.000 They do a lot of crazy shit on it.

02:02:25.000 But this stuff is coca leaves.

02:02:26.000 They take it, and they pack their mouth with it, and they chew on it, and it has an effect, a stimulant effect that's similar to a cup of coffee.

02:02:35.000 I've never done it, but I have had a tea that was made out of it.

02:02:39.000 It's a mate de coca tea.

02:02:40.000 Were you crunked?

02:02:41.000 No, but I couldn't shut the fuck up, which is always a problem already.

02:02:44.000 Or awesome.

02:02:45.000 Yeah, depending on what your job is.

02:02:47.000 No, it wasn't coke, because I wasn't jacked.

02:02:49.000 I don't know.

02:02:50.000 I've never done coke.

02:02:51.000 That's where coke comes from, right?

02:02:52.000 Yes, exactly.

02:02:53.000 But it's chewing the leaves versus the processed soup.

02:02:57.000 It's like the difference between getting your sugar from eating an orange versus eating a couple of tablespoons of real processed sugar.

02:03:06.000 Your body's like, what the fuck is this?

02:03:08.000 Where the hell is this shit coming from?

02:03:09.000 Your body doesn't know what the fuck you do with a spoon of sugar.

02:03:12.000 It's like, why is this alone?

02:03:17.000 Where's all the fiber?

02:03:18.000 Where's the fucking vitamins?

02:03:20.000 What did you do, you crazy asshole?

02:03:22.000 And that's what cocaine is.

02:03:23.000 And that's why you can fuck with fruit, because the fiber, right?

02:03:26.000 Because it breaks down different.

02:03:27.000 And that's why I think these people that chew these coca leaves, they get a totally different experience than someone who does coke.

02:03:33.000 I need to try it, though.

02:03:34.000 I never chewed the leaves.

02:03:35.000 You would think that would be popular.

02:03:37.000 It should be legal, bro.

02:03:38.000 It should be 100% legal.

02:03:40.000 It's illegal?

02:03:40.000 Yeah, it's illegal.

02:03:41.000 You can't even have those leaves.

02:03:43.000 The problem is you can take those leaves, you can process it into cocaine.

02:03:45.000 Which, by the way, is an actual ingredient in Coca-Cola still.

02:03:50.000 Cocaine is still?

02:03:51.000 Yes.

02:03:52.000 No way.

02:03:52.000 Yes, it is.

02:03:53.000 I thought they got rid of it.

02:03:54.000 They take coca leaves, they process the coca leaves, and they make medical cocaine with it, and the same plant that does this, the same processing place that does this, ships the flavors of it to Coca-Cola.

02:04:06.000 So it's one of the main flavors they use.

02:04:08.000 Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola are two totally different tasting things.

02:04:11.000 Not even close.

02:04:12.000 And one of the reasons why they taste different is Coca-Cola used to have cocaine in it, and now it's flavored by coca leaves.

02:04:19.000 Google that.

02:04:19.000 Coke is so much better than Pepsi?

02:04:21.000 Google that.

02:04:21.000 For that reason, son.

02:04:22.000 Look at this.

02:04:23.000 To this day, dude, coca extraction.

02:04:26.000 It says it's got cocaine-free leaves that are sold to Coca-Cola.

02:04:29.000 Exactly.

02:04:29.000 So they take these coca leaves, the factory processes them, turns them into medical cocaine, and the rest of the shit that's processed without cocaine in it is shipped to Coca-Cola and they use it for flavor.

02:04:41.000 Dude, you're dropping some fucking knowledge.

02:04:43.000 Wait a minute.

02:04:44.000 Hey, the medical cocaine...

02:04:45.000 What is that about?

02:04:46.000 It's cocaine for medical reasons.

02:04:47.000 Lidocaine, which is one of the things that they use.

02:04:50.000 It's like the gay cousin of cocaine.

02:04:51.000 They use it for...

02:04:52.000 It doesn't get you high, but it numbs you up.

02:04:55.000 Damn.

02:04:56.000 Yeah, it's...

02:04:58.000 Where else is this going?

02:05:00.000 We drink a lot of Coca-Cola.

02:05:01.000 They must be making a lot of medical cocaine, man.

02:05:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:04.000 They must be making ridiculous amounts of it.

02:05:06.000 I wonder how much the actual flavor they get out of the leaves versus actual...

02:05:12.000 Cocaine.

02:05:12.000 It's probably taking a lot of leaves to get cocaine.

02:05:14.000 When's the last time you had like a nice ice-cold Coca-Cola?

02:05:17.000 I don't drink that shit anymore.

02:05:18.000 It's terrible for you.

02:05:18.000 It's terrible.

02:05:19.000 I had a Diet Coke last night, though.

02:05:20.000 Well, that's even worse.

02:05:22.000 Yeah, it's even worse.

02:05:22.000 That shit is toxic.

02:05:23.000 I very rarely do, but I said, fuck it, it's Christmas.

02:05:25.000 Dude, I did too, and I had a regular Coke.

02:05:27.000 Do they know?

02:05:30.000 I had a regular Coke.

02:05:31.000 That shit is delicious.

02:05:32.000 So good.

02:05:33.000 There's a reason why people are addicted to it.

02:05:35.000 With barbecue?

02:05:35.000 Come on.

02:05:36.000 I was addicted to it as a kid.

02:05:38.000 I'd wake up in the middle of the night and run down to the 24-hour liquor store and get a couple cans of Coke and just like down in one drink.

02:05:44.000 I had to drink whole cans in one drink.

02:05:46.000 I was obsessed with sodas, man.

02:05:48.000 Think about how much shit I love the burn in my throat.

02:05:53.000 I'm addicted to that burn.

02:05:54.000 I just want the constant burn.

02:05:56.000 When it's cold, too?

02:05:57.000 Ooh, that's nice.

02:05:58.000 That's nice.

02:05:59.000 It does not taste the same.

02:06:00.000 It does not taste the same out of those fucking fountains.

02:06:03.000 You better stop calling that Coca-Cola.

02:06:05.000 You know you're a goddamn liar.

02:06:07.000 That is not the same formula.

02:06:08.000 It's gotta be out of a can.

02:06:10.000 100%.

02:06:10.000 It's gotta be out of a can.

02:06:11.000 Or a bottle.

02:06:12.000 Or a bottle.

02:06:13.000 Or that Mexican bottle with the cane sugar.

02:06:15.000 You're talking about that green bottle.

02:06:16.000 No, the ones that you get at certain burrito stores.

02:06:18.000 Yeah, and they have a green Coca-Cola on it.

02:06:20.000 Is it green?

02:06:20.000 Yeah, because that's how you know it's the pure cane sugar.

02:06:22.000 Oh.

02:06:23.000 Green?

02:06:23.000 Green's a different kind.

02:06:24.000 Is it?

02:06:25.000 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

02:06:26.000 No, that's not my tea cola, son.

02:06:27.000 Yeah, fucking killer whales are attacking people, and so does green.

02:06:31.000 Hey, is there any reports?

02:06:32.000 Cal, let's rub it off on me!

02:06:33.000 I'll make it shut up!

02:06:37.000 Speaking of Paige Van Zandt, Michelle Waterson, not to be confused with Michelle Waterman.

02:06:45.000 Ron Waterman.

02:06:47.000 Coca-Cola Life.

02:06:48.000 Cane, Sugar, and Stevia.

02:06:49.000 Oh, that's that bullshit.

02:06:51.000 Is this a new one?

02:06:52.000 They're putting Stevia.

02:06:53.000 Oh, Stevia's a good move.

02:06:54.000 But Cane, Sugar, and Stevia.

02:06:55.000 They put like a little dab of Stevia and a bucket of sugar.

02:07:00.000 Get that poison on my fucking face.

02:07:02.000 Hey, I love stevia.

02:07:03.000 Zevia, have you ever tried that?

02:07:05.000 Oh, look at that.

02:07:05.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:07:06.000 We have some here.

02:07:06.000 You want some?

02:07:07.000 We have some.

02:07:07.000 Oh, I love that stuff.

02:07:08.000 Yeah, they sent me a bunch of it.

02:07:09.000 What is it?

02:07:10.000 Not even paying me to say it.

02:07:12.000 And we drank it on air, didn't we?

02:07:13.000 I don't know.

02:07:14.000 What is it?

02:07:15.000 It's soda flavored with stevia.

02:07:17.000 Oh, that's just delicious.

02:07:18.000 Yeah, it's good.

02:07:20.000 Stevia's good, man.

02:07:21.000 I like it.

02:07:21.000 It doesn't fuck with you.

02:07:22.000 I like to put it in coffee.

02:07:24.000 It doesn't fuck with your blood sugar levels.

02:07:26.000 It tastes better.

02:07:27.000 I agree.

02:07:27.000 It doesn't seem to have any negatives.

02:07:29.000 I mean, I don't know what it's like if you abuse it, but I think if you eat 100 oranges, your body's going to feel like shit.

02:07:34.000 Well, I'll let you know because I abuse the shit out of it.

02:07:35.000 Do you?

02:07:36.000 Yeah.

02:07:36.000 According to Dan Quinn, though, it's...

02:07:38.000 Yeah, that guy's on the ball.

02:07:40.000 So let's talk about Dominic Cruz and Cody Garbrandt, man.

02:07:44.000 Killer whales.

02:07:45.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 Two hours into the podcast, people are like, fuck you!

02:07:49.000 What in the fuck?

02:07:49.000 Is this a boxing podcast?

02:07:51.000 It's a Coca-Cola podcast.

02:07:52.000 This is what happens when you have a producer, or like, you know, engineer, or rather, executive.

02:07:58.000 You look at the money line, Cody's not that big of an underdog.

02:08:02.000 Well, Cody's fucking dangerous.

02:08:04.000 Super dangerous.

02:08:05.000 But here's the question, like, has he ever faced anybody that moves the way Dominic does?

02:08:09.000 And we've seen with so many guys that they have a really hard time hitting Dominic.

02:08:14.000 He's a really hard time to hit.

02:08:15.000 Okay, so Dominic is a two-to-one favorite.

02:08:17.000 Correct.

02:08:18.000 You know, which is, I'd say that's, well, Cody's $1.75, so the real spread is only $0.35 on a dollar, a dollar bet.

02:08:28.000 Not crazy, especially how good Dominic is.

02:08:31.000 What they're banking on, I think, you know, Cody hasn't, Mizugaki's his best win, which was his last fight, so that's what got him this title shot.

02:08:40.000 They're banking on him landing on Dominic.

02:08:42.000 Here's something people aren't talking about.

02:08:44.000 Lineker and TJ Dillashaw is on the same card.

02:08:46.000 That's a crazy fucking fight, man.

02:08:48.000 Lineker is scary.

02:08:49.000 Lineker is super scary.

02:08:51.000 He's terrifying.

02:08:52.000 Build on that little monkey.

02:08:54.000 He's built like a chimpanzee.

02:08:56.000 Like a pounder.

02:08:58.000 He was 125, right?

02:09:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I call myself a monkey.

02:09:02.000 135. Lineker?

02:09:04.000 Wasn't he 125?

02:09:05.000 Yes, he was 125, but he wouldn't make the weight.

02:09:07.000 He has a real talent, and he has real power.

02:09:13.000 He's a scary, scary guy.

02:09:15.000 Him or Cody's the hardest hitters?

02:09:17.000 That's a fun fight.

02:09:18.000 Lineker's a different kind of hitter though.

02:09:20.000 I think Cody's lightning fast and like beautiful combinations and beautiful footwork.

02:09:24.000 Better technique.

02:09:25.000 The angles that he cut when he knocked out Thomas Almeida.

02:09:32.000 Almeida was undefeated, very scary, and he cut some serious fucking angles and dropped some bombs on him.

02:09:38.000 It's like woo!

02:09:39.000 The speed of entry.

02:09:41.000 His uncle was an alternative Olympic boxer, his dad was a boxer, and they just put this little ball of hate into him.

02:09:48.000 He's a ridiculous wrestler, too.

02:09:50.000 His kind of knockout power is a different kind of knockout power than Lineker.

02:09:54.000 Lineker is almost like a guy that is 20 or 30 pounds bigger than him.

02:09:59.000 It's weird.

02:10:00.000 Like, he hits guys and you see them, like, off!

02:10:02.000 Like, he's hitting you on the arms with these bombs, and he takes a shot extremely well.

02:10:08.000 Like, when he fought Francisco...

02:10:11.000 When you watch the combination of those two guys unloaded in the first round, you're like, Jesus Christ, Francisco Rivera is a bad motherfucker.

02:10:19.000 Hell yeah.

02:10:19.000 He's a very good striker.

02:10:20.000 And he just decided to go to war with Lineker, and Lineker was just dropping bombs on him.

02:10:26.000 And you go, Jesus, he can do this even at 135. Maybe even better at 135. And I love to watch Lineker fight.

02:10:32.000 I don't think in...

02:10:34.000 For right now, I don't think he'll be champion with that style of fighting.

02:10:39.000 That pull forward and only boxing.

02:10:41.000 Watch what happens when TJ. Because it's easy to game plan for TJ and Dwayne Ludwig.

02:10:47.000 They're going to go, alright, this is what we do.

02:10:48.000 And you're going to see him angles, mixing it up.

02:10:51.000 Me too.

02:10:51.000 I'm excited about it.

02:10:52.000 I think TJ is spectacularly talented, no doubt.

02:10:55.000 And TJ has amazing footwork and all the Dwayne system.

02:11:00.000 But Lineker's got something special, man.

02:11:02.000 I've very rarely seen a guy at his weight class that hits people the way he does.

02:11:06.000 It's almost like he's doing a different thing.

02:11:09.000 Yeah, it's a different kind of monster.

02:11:10.000 Those fights are very similar where Cody Garbrandt just needs one to win the fight.

02:11:15.000 Lineker needs one to win the fight.

02:11:16.000 Don McCrew's footwork's ridiculous.

02:11:18.000 T.J. Dillshaw's footwork, ridiculous.

02:11:21.000 But you gotta think, you know, T.J. KO'd Hennenborough twice, dropped him in the first round with a straight right hand.

02:11:26.000 It's not like T.J. doesn't have power.

02:11:27.000 Not Lineker power.

02:11:29.000 He doesn't have the same kind of power, but he's got way more options as far as movement.

02:11:33.000 So it's going to be very interesting to see how that plays out.

02:11:35.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:11:35.000 It's kind of like you have this movement game.

02:11:37.000 And remember, that fight's only three rounds, which hurts, I think, TJ. I think that hurts TJ. Because he's got to survive the storm.

02:11:44.000 Yeah.

02:11:45.000 It hurts TJ because...

02:11:46.000 TJ moves so good, man.

02:11:47.000 In the Burrell fight, you saw it right away.

02:11:50.000 Burrell's got that linear style, presses forward.

02:11:53.000 Those were five rounds, though, right?

02:11:54.000 Because that footwork's gonna...

02:11:56.000 That's gonna be hard to follow if you're that straightforward pressure fighter.

02:11:59.000 Four championship rounds, you're like, Jesus Christ, and it starts wearing on you.

02:12:03.000 And then TJ takes over.

02:12:04.000 That's interesting.

02:12:05.000 That's a good point.

02:12:06.000 I think TJ is...

02:12:09.000 Definitely in a tricky situation because he wanted that rematch, wanted that title fight.

02:12:13.000 He was really close in the first fight with Dominick Cruz.

02:12:16.000 It was a real close decision.

02:12:17.000 He just told me, Bates were like, you won that fight.

02:12:19.000 I think Dana even agreed.

02:12:20.000 He was like, you won that fight, man.

02:12:21.000 It was a very close fight.

02:12:22.000 No doubt about it.

02:12:24.000 Whoever you believe won that fight.

02:12:25.000 And then Dominick goes on and beats Uriah and beats him handily.

02:12:28.000 And now Dominick is stepping in to fight him.

02:12:31.000 And he's fighting Cody.

02:12:34.000 And he's got a really tough fight on that same card.

02:12:38.000 In a really tough fight, where if he loses that fight, fuck, man.

02:12:41.000 Back in the line.

02:12:42.000 And this is a guy that has missed weight a couple of times.

02:12:45.000 And Lineker is kind of tricky in that situation, where he's missed weight at featherweight.

02:12:50.000 Or missed weight, rather, at flyweight.

02:12:52.000 Yeah.

02:12:52.000 A couple of times.

02:12:53.000 And hasn't he missed weight at bantamweight, too?

02:12:56.000 Yes.

02:12:56.000 Once.

02:12:56.000 Yeah.

02:12:57.000 So this is a guy that's going to come in big as fuck.

02:13:00.000 He's very dangerous.

02:13:01.000 Hits super hard.

02:13:02.000 Like, in a creepy way.

02:13:04.000 Creepy hard.

02:13:05.000 It's almost like a heavyweight fight for TJ because you make one mistake and Lineker lands, it's over.

02:13:11.000 If you're fighting Dom, you make some mistakes, you're gonna get lit up, he's not gonna end your night.

02:13:15.000 Pull up Lineker versus McDonald.

02:13:18.000 Mike McDonald is a fucking straight killer.

02:13:21.000 That kid's a bad motherfucker.

02:13:22.000 He's got vicious power.

02:13:23.000 He went away for a while, right?

02:13:24.000 Had some injuries.

02:13:25.000 Yeah, had some injuries.

02:13:26.000 Lost to Uriah.

02:13:26.000 Uriah mauled him, remember?

02:13:27.000 That was the big one when Uriah murked him because he finally came back and then Uriah murked him.

02:13:31.000 He went away.

02:13:32.000 It was one of Uriah's finest performances.

02:13:34.000 Uriah cracked him with a right hand, got a hold of that neck and just put the full Uriah on him as far as his guillotine, that mounted guillotine.

02:13:44.000 It's almost like the 135 tournament because you have Cody and Dom, then you have TJ Lineker.

02:13:50.000 The loser's gonna fight the loser, the winner's gonna fight the winner.

02:13:53.000 Let's watch, check out that, do you find that fight?

02:13:56.000 Lineker versus Michael McDonald, KO? I had it, but it pulled up a wrong fight for some reason.

02:14:00.000 Oh, these sons of bitches.

02:14:01.000 Here it is.

02:14:02.000 So, like, Michael McDonald, like, real classical style, real good punching power, not built like a scary guy, but a vicious knockout artist.

02:14:11.000 Like, one of those guys where the body really sort of is very deceptive.

02:14:16.000 And remember, he was, like, top, top prospect, too.

02:14:19.000 He was a big, big prospect to see Uriah.

02:14:22.000 Mm-hmm.

02:14:23.000 Or Hennon Burrell first.

02:14:24.000 He lost to Hennon Burrell, right?

02:14:25.000 And then he came back and fought Uriah.

02:14:27.000 Wasn't that the case?

02:14:28.000 How tall is Lineker?

02:14:29.000 He's short.

02:14:30.000 He's short.

02:14:30.000 But he's about the same height as Dwight Cahwee.

02:14:33.000 Yeah.

02:14:34.000 5'6".

02:14:35.000 5'6".

02:14:35.000 I don't know.

02:14:36.000 I don't think he is, honestly.

02:14:37.000 I think he's 5'4".

02:14:38.000 He's a small little dude.

02:14:40.000 He's a small guy.

02:14:41.000 But he hits like a fucking Mack truck.

02:14:44.000 Yeah, almost creepy in his power, man.

02:14:46.000 And so confident in it, too.

02:14:48.000 But, again, to the point where I don't think he's ever going to be a champ, you look at a guy like John Dotson who just outworked him, and I thought he lost that fight.

02:14:57.000 Granted, they gave it to Lineker.

02:14:59.000 Yeah, well, it was close enough.

02:15:00.000 I mean, oh, look, he heard him there.

02:15:02.000 Look, he heard him there.

02:15:03.000 You could see.

02:15:04.000 Mike McDowell steps back and is like, oh, Jesus.

02:15:07.000 There's a feeling that guys get when he connects on them where you see it in their eyes.

02:15:11.000 They're like, holy shit.

02:15:12.000 This is a different thing here.

02:15:15.000 That's not snowflake.

02:15:16.000 That's not snowflake move.

02:15:17.000 Yeah.

02:15:18.000 No, and he's also got a ridiculous chin.

02:15:21.000 When he stood in front of Rivera...

02:15:23.000 He's going like this?

02:15:24.000 Yeah.

02:15:24.000 Like, come on!

02:15:24.000 They were just banging it out.

02:15:26.000 He's fun.

02:15:27.000 And Rivera flattens people.

02:15:29.000 So as you watch Lineker walk him down here, you're looking at this kid who's just got unique power.

02:15:34.000 Like, really unique.

02:15:35.000 And even a guy like that.

02:15:36.000 Oh!

02:15:36.000 Look at that.

02:15:36.000 Boom!

02:15:37.000 Michael McDonald recognizes him.

02:15:38.000 He goes down there.

02:15:39.000 Look, he goes down again.

02:15:40.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom.

02:15:42.000 And Lineker just stands in front of him, bites on his mouthpiece, and fucking mauls him.

02:15:45.000 McDonald landed one, too.

02:15:47.000 Yeah, and Lineker ate it like a tic-tac, and he's moving forward.

02:15:50.000 Boom, boom.

02:15:51.000 Straight tic-tac.

02:15:51.000 And he rocks him again.

02:15:53.000 And he's just undeniably confident in his ability to walk you down and smash you.

02:16:00.000 What you can't do is let him back you up and get your back against the cage.

02:16:03.000 You've got to move, man.

02:16:04.000 Dillashaw moves 10 times more.

02:16:06.000 10 times more.

02:16:08.000 100%.

02:16:08.000 But the question is, is there going to be exchanges where Dillashaw is inside of his range?

02:16:13.000 And will one of these things land?

02:16:14.000 And once one of those things do land, will Dillashaw continue to engage the same way?

02:16:18.000 Boom!

02:16:19.000 Boom, boom, boom.

02:16:20.000 Or will it be over if it lands?

02:16:21.000 But TJ takes a good shot and has never been a guy to stand in front of you like this.

02:16:26.000 No.

02:16:26.000 Oh, look at that.

02:16:27.000 Boom.

02:16:27.000 You see his head get snapped.

02:16:29.000 At 135?

02:16:30.000 What are we talking about?

02:16:32.000 It's very rare that anybody has that kind of destroying power at that weight.

02:16:37.000 T.J. can wrestle, too.

02:16:38.000 So if they get in close, he'll take his ass down.

02:16:40.000 The difference between him and Dotson at 135, and I like Dotson at 35. I think he's better at 35 than 25. I just think he just kills himself too much to make that weight.

02:16:48.000 Like when he fought Gamberian, because Dotson can sneak in on you and then sneak out on you.

02:16:54.000 And when they fought, did they fight at 35 or 25?

02:16:58.000 Dotson and Lineker fought.

02:17:00.000 That was at 25. Is it?

02:17:03.000 100% does at 25. Yeah.

02:17:05.000 Is it?

02:17:06.000 You might be right.

02:17:06.000 I don't think that's the right weight class for Dodson.

02:17:09.000 For either of them.

02:17:10.000 Yeah, both guys.

02:17:11.000 I think both guys are way better off without destroying themselves.

02:17:14.000 Those are fun fights, man.

02:17:16.000 And then the FS1 prelims are stacked.

02:17:19.000 You got Neil Magny versus...

02:17:21.000 What's that?

02:17:21.000 It's a catchweight, 136 and a half.

02:17:23.000 Does he miss weight?

02:17:24.000 Or no?

02:17:25.000 I'm just looking at Wikipedia.

02:17:26.000 So it must have been like a last minute decision to have that fight.

02:17:29.000 So that's interesting that Dodson and him went to war.

02:17:32.000 And Lineker won the decision?

02:17:33.000 Yes.

02:17:34.000 At 35. Interesting.

02:17:35.000 But I thought...

02:17:36.000 You thought Dodson won?

02:17:37.000 Yeah.

02:17:38.000 But here's the other thing about TJ. You gotta think, how long has TJ really been with Dwayne Ludwig?

02:17:42.000 And he continues to get better with Dwayne Ludwig.

02:17:44.000 It's only been a few years.

02:17:45.000 So in the last couple of years, like, you know, what have we seen?

02:17:49.000 We've seen the two big fights with Hannan Burrell where he murked him, right?

02:17:52.000 Which are the all-time career highlight performances, right?

02:17:55.000 Joe Soto fight.

02:17:56.000 Especially the second one, the Joe Soto fight, which was an interesting fight because taking on a real tough guy on a real short notice.

02:18:01.000 Two day notice?

02:18:02.000 One day.

02:18:03.000 During the weigh-in, Burau, trying to make weight, falls asleep and bangs his head on the wall because he cut too much weight.

02:18:10.000 Joe Soto steps in, and so TJ makes that adjustment, wins that fight, comes back, beats the shit out of Burau in the rematch, like really dominated him in the rematch.

02:18:18.000 Those are like, you know, real highlight, real finishes.

02:18:21.000 All three of those fights.

02:18:22.000 So then he goes from that, a really close loss to Dominick Cruz, and then beats Asuncao.

02:18:28.000 Like, he took a chance with Asuncao.

02:18:30.000 Asuncao's number two at the time.

02:18:32.000 Yeah.

02:18:32.000 He beat Asuncao.

02:18:33.000 Looked better in the Asuncao fight than he did in the first time they fought.

02:18:36.000 So he's showing improvement just in that fight.

02:18:38.000 You just gotta wonder what this is gonna look like.

02:18:41.000 What Lineker versus him is gonna look like.

02:18:43.000 Very, very interesting fight.

02:18:44.000 Great matchups.

02:18:45.000 Fuck yeah.

02:18:46.000 That one particular.

02:18:47.000 What do you think about Cody and Dominic?

02:18:49.000 Do you think that Cody's going to be able to, like, when you look at Cody move and you see his success against guys like Mitsugaki, against guys like Thomas Almeida, and then you see what Dominic does to people.

02:19:00.000 He's in front of you.

02:19:01.000 He's not.

02:19:02.000 He's shuffling stances.

02:19:03.000 He's off to the side.

02:19:05.000 He's got his hands down.

02:19:06.000 He's moving in this really fucking weird way that's real tough to emulate.

02:19:10.000 I love Cody, but the X Factor here is we haven't really seen him face top competition.

02:19:16.000 Mizugaki's older.

02:19:17.000 He got murked before from Dominic.

02:19:20.000 Then he gets murked by Cody.

02:19:21.000 We saw promise in Almeida.

02:19:23.000 We saw him fight a really promising guy.

02:19:25.000 Again, young guy.

02:19:26.000 Not the level of Dominic Cruz, or we haven't seen him with the movement.

02:19:29.000 Right.

02:19:30.000 The thing I like about Cody, he's so damn game.

02:19:32.000 I was talking to Lance Palmer at Team Alpha Male, and they're like, we've never seen anything like it.

02:19:37.000 Like, Fight Week, if he sees someone, and he needs to work on this, but he's just young and hungry.

02:19:41.000 He goes, if he sees someone from another camp, he tries and fights him in the hallway.

02:19:44.000 He's just like this pit bull man.

02:19:46.000 He's just so goddamn competitive.

02:19:49.000 We have to have a coach with him at all times.

02:19:52.000 All times.

02:19:53.000 He won't leave the gym.

02:19:55.000 If he sees someone else from the camp, tries and fights him.

02:19:58.000 But don't you think that's a waste of energy?

02:20:00.000 100%.

02:20:00.000 He's young.

02:20:01.000 He's young.

02:20:02.000 It could be an exaggeration, though.

02:20:03.000 Could be.

02:20:04.000 For sure.

02:20:04.000 He may have had a problem with one dude once.

02:20:06.000 For sure.

02:20:07.000 For sure.

02:20:07.000 Eddie Bravo now all of a sudden talking reasonable.

02:20:09.000 Now talking fucking logic.

02:20:11.000 Hey, I'm just talking common sense.

02:20:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:20:14.000 I understand.

02:20:14.000 That sounds like fake news.

02:20:15.000 What else is that?

02:20:16.000 Let's go over the rest of the card.

02:20:17.000 Pull up the whole card, Jamie.

02:20:18.000 The big thing on this is, can Cody land, but can he keep up for, again, it's five rounds.

02:20:25.000 It's five fucking rounds, man.

02:20:27.000 That's a long time.

02:20:27.000 What is this about?

02:20:29.000 I don't know anything about these guys.

02:20:31.000 They're both real good, man.

02:20:32.000 They're both real good.

02:20:33.000 Good ground fighters, too.

02:20:34.000 Louis Smolka and Ray Borg.

02:20:36.000 That should be a very interesting fight.

02:20:37.000 It's a fun fight.

02:20:38.000 This card, it sucks, because how about Kane and Verdum?

02:20:41.000 Well, Ray Borg's the guy that pulled out on, he was supposed to be fighting Ian, and pulled out on real short notice.

02:20:48.000 Remember that?

02:20:49.000 Yeah, Smolka's fun to watch.

02:20:51.000 Yeah, they're both fun to watch.

02:20:52.000 Is Smolka an American-Russian, or actually from the Eastern Bloc?

02:20:58.000 No, he's American.

02:20:59.000 He's American.

02:21:00.000 Yeah, where's Louis Smolka from?

02:21:01.000 That's a fun fight.

02:21:03.000 I don't know where Lewis is from.

02:21:04.000 What sucks is Cain Verdumov.

02:21:06.000 That would be fun.

02:21:08.000 Hawaii.

02:21:08.000 Oh, he's Hawaiian.

02:21:09.000 That's right.

02:21:10.000 The Last Samurai.

02:21:11.000 That's why it's D8. That's right.

02:21:12.000 His dad's probably Russian, though.

02:21:14.000 How dare you?

02:21:15.000 Come on, Smolka.

02:21:16.000 Is that a Russian name?

02:21:17.000 Hell yes.

02:21:18.000 Jamie, go back to that.

02:21:19.000 Come on, man.

02:21:20.000 I don't know anything.

02:21:23.000 Smolka?

02:21:23.000 Smolka.

02:21:24.000 What is that?

02:21:25.000 When you say it like that, that sounds smart, doesn't it?

02:21:28.000 Smolka, bro.

02:21:30.000 What's his ethnicity?

02:21:33.000 It just might be Hawaiian, dude.

02:21:34.000 He might just be straight Hawaiian.

02:21:35.000 It could be his nickname, like, you know, Brazilians use nicknames.

02:21:37.000 Go to his Wikipedia.

02:21:38.000 Does he have a Wikipedia?

02:21:39.000 He might be a mad stoner.

02:21:40.000 Dude, he's Hawaiian as fuck.

02:21:42.000 Yeah, he looks pretty fucking Hawaiian.

02:21:43.000 Hawaiians are killing it, huh?

02:21:45.000 Holloway?

02:21:45.000 Oh, yeah, man.

02:21:46.000 Well, that's a crazy island.

02:21:47.000 You're stuck on an island with dudes and you got a problem with them?

02:21:50.000 You can't just fucking drive away.

02:21:52.000 Like, that's a completely different mindset.

02:21:54.000 You just can't drive away.

02:21:55.000 You gotta fight each other on an island.

02:21:57.000 You're hanging out together on a volcano.

02:22:00.000 Doesn't say anything about his ethnicity?

02:22:01.000 He's Hawaiian, bro.

02:22:02.000 He's Hawaiian as shit, man.

02:22:03.000 Let's go to the Amanda Nunes-Ronda Rousey fight.

02:22:06.000 If you had to put some money down, what do you think?

02:22:10.000 Man, who the fuck knows?

02:22:12.000 I love saying who the fuck knows.

02:22:14.000 Because we haven't seen Ronda fight in over a year.

02:22:18.000 We don't know where her head's at.

02:22:19.000 And you're looking at her body.

02:22:20.000 She's in insane shape.

02:22:22.000 There's some pictures of her online throwing punches, and you look at her back, and you're like, holy shit.

02:22:26.000 I haven't seen him.

02:22:27.000 Fuck yeah.

02:22:28.000 She's down to fight weight already, apparently.

02:22:32.000 You know, I think losing to someone like Holly Holm the way she did and to be tired and get beat up and the whole deal.

02:22:39.000 Like, look at her back there where she's punching the speed bag.

02:22:41.000 Jesus.

02:22:42.000 Look at that shit.

02:22:43.000 That's redonkulous.

02:22:44.000 God damn.

02:22:46.000 So, if you think about...

02:22:48.000 The way she lost that fight and how she looked physically, she didn't look nothing like this.

02:22:52.000 Like, not even close.

02:22:54.000 Like, she's got all these videos of her running uphill and all this different stuff.

02:22:57.000 She looks, like, way more fit.

02:22:59.000 She got tired in the fight with Holly, and that was a big factor.

02:23:03.000 Also, getting hit was a big factor.

02:23:04.000 There you go, Joe.

02:23:05.000 Getting stunned right away.

02:23:06.000 But really solid conditioning will allow you to recover better than not being in such good shape, especially when you get hit in the head.

02:23:13.000 That's a big factor with the guys that are super, super fit is how they bounce back.

02:23:18.000 You know, like, Neil Magny's a good example.

02:23:21.000 He can stun that guy in the first round, but he's so fit, he bounces back.

02:23:24.000 For her, too, that Holly fight, the one thing about Ronna, she always comes to fight, she's always in shape.

02:23:29.000 She takes that, you know, personal, takes it kind of upon herself to be in shape.

02:23:33.000 But she did not have the same sort of dedication towards that fight with Holly that she's got towards this fight.

02:23:39.000 Physically, it doesn't look like it.

02:23:40.000 I don't think we know.

02:23:40.000 Physically, you can say that, but we don't know, because she's been shooting movies, she won't do press conferences, you know what I'm saying?

02:23:45.000 So we don't know.

02:23:45.000 If she could take her down...

02:23:46.000 Use her judo and not try to strike with her.

02:23:49.000 Just clench up.

02:23:50.000 Do that judo trip.

02:23:52.000 Take her down.

02:23:54.000 Anybody's in danger of that armbar.

02:23:55.000 That's what she's going to do.

02:23:56.000 That's what she's going to do.

02:23:58.000 Amanda Nunes could easily get caught in that armbar.

02:24:00.000 It wouldn't shock you.

02:24:00.000 Here's a question for you, Joe.

02:24:01.000 She's got to drag her down.

02:24:02.000 Here's a question for you guys.

02:24:03.000 Do you think...

02:24:04.000 She has the coaching to make changes where she just doesn't pull forward on Amanda Nunes and get punched in the face.

02:24:11.000 Yeah, of course she's going to be calm.

02:24:12.000 Of course she's going to take her time.

02:24:13.000 Of course.

02:24:14.000 She's not going to go out there reckless.

02:24:16.000 She's going to take her time.

02:24:17.000 That's how she came around around it.

02:24:18.000 She should anyways.

02:24:19.000 And it seems like common sense.

02:24:20.000 Don't fucking get crazy.

02:24:21.000 Get in there.

02:24:22.000 Just fucking get the blood going.

02:24:23.000 That's not her.

02:24:24.000 That's not her, Eddie.

02:24:25.000 I don't know, man.

02:24:26.000 That's like asking Mike Tyson, can you sit on the outside and jab and do that?

02:24:29.000 She might try to overwhelm her, but she's not stupid.

02:24:31.000 She's going to learn from mistakes.

02:24:33.000 They just fight a cleaner fight, more movement, more head movement, also knee surgery.

02:24:38.000 She's had knee surgery since then.

02:24:39.000 She could take Amanda down, I think.

02:24:42.000 100%.

02:24:42.000 Yeah, she could take her down.

02:24:43.000 Kat Zingano had a real hard first round.

02:24:48.000 In the first round, Amanda Nunes was beating the shit out of her.

02:24:50.000 Kat Nunes, or Kat Nunes.

02:24:52.000 Kat...

02:24:53.000 Kat came back and stopped Nunez.

02:24:56.000 That's Nunez's thing.

02:24:57.000 Got her on the back and slowed her down.

02:24:59.000 Nunez isn't known for a cardio.

02:25:00.000 No.

02:25:02.000 It's tough because what makes Ronda great is there's this flurry, there's this exchange.

02:25:06.000 Next thing you know, she fucking hip tosses you and you're in an arm bar, right?

02:25:09.000 That's her thing.

02:25:09.000 She's not really going to sit on outside and be patient.

02:25:12.000 That's not her.

02:25:12.000 But if she can, like if it's a dogfight, I think Ronda ends up catching her in the fourth or fifth round.

02:25:17.000 Because Amanda, she starts off like a tidal wave, and we've seen her losses.

02:25:20.000 She kind of slows down.

02:25:22.000 She just does.

02:25:23.000 Yeah, well, it's going to be interesting to see if American Top Team's been able to do something to mitigate that.

02:25:28.000 Who knows what kind of strength and conditioning program she's under now.

02:25:30.000 The only problem I see on the ground is if Ronda takes her down and ends up on top.

02:25:36.000 She might have a hard time passing Amanda Nunez guard.

02:25:39.000 And we'll see.

02:25:40.000 Like, Ronda's not, she's not known for her guard passing.

02:25:44.000 So that could be a problem.

02:25:45.000 Maybe she takes her down.

02:25:46.000 Straight scrambles, Eddie.

02:25:47.000 Yes.

02:25:47.000 That's her thing.

02:25:48.000 She'll let her attempt to get up.

02:25:50.000 If she can get her on her back, how will she deal with passing the guard?

02:25:55.000 She really doesn't.

02:25:56.000 She goes to it, and then she's going to transition from there.

02:25:59.000 You got to deal with it.

02:26:00.000 With a black belt in jiu-jitsu, you're going to have to deal with the guard pass.

02:26:02.000 It's not going to be easy.

02:26:03.000 Amanda really doesn't submit anybody.

02:26:05.000 She's a black belt, right?

02:26:06.000 If Rhonda can get on top of her, she submitted Misha Tate.

02:26:09.000 She submitted Misha Tate.

02:26:10.000 She's a black belt in jiu-jitsu, correct?

02:26:11.000 And she submitted Sarah McMahon, too.

02:26:14.000 She battered both of them and submitted both of them.

02:26:16.000 She whooped both her asses.

02:26:17.000 Did she submit Sarah McMahon?

02:26:20.000 She submitted Kat.

02:26:21.000 She definitely submitted Misha.

02:26:23.000 No, no, no.

02:26:23.000 Kat beat her up.

02:26:24.000 No, not Kat.

02:26:25.000 I'm sorry.

02:26:25.000 She submitted Misha.

02:26:26.000 Yeah, she submitted Misha.

02:26:28.000 After that whole exchange.

02:26:28.000 I think she did the same thing to Sarah McMahon.

02:26:30.000 I think she cracked her and then put her away with a choke.

02:26:33.000 I'm pretty sure.

02:26:34.000 The one thing she has over Ronda in this fight is power.

02:26:36.000 She has vicious power.

02:26:38.000 Striking.

02:26:39.000 And I'd say that's it.

02:26:40.000 I'd say that's it.

02:26:40.000 And if Ronda does come at her full clip like that, it's a very risky proposition.

02:26:45.000 She can crack so fucking hard.

02:26:47.000 But if Ronda feels like she can get closer to that, here we go.

02:26:50.000 She's not dropping chicks with one punch, right?

02:26:54.000 She's not scary.

02:26:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:57.000 I'm talking about Amanda Nunes.

02:26:58.000 Amanda Nunes is.

02:26:59.000 No, she's merking girls.

02:27:01.000 One shot, she's dropping them.

02:27:02.000 Shayna Blazer.

02:27:03.000 Look at that.

02:27:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:27:05.000 No, she's merking girls.

02:27:08.000 Amanda Nunez can punch as hard as any fucking woman in that division.

02:27:12.000 She might be the hardest women puncher in the 135-time division.

02:27:15.000 She's the hardest woman puncher outside of Cyborg.

02:27:17.000 Well, Cyborg's not 135, for sure.

02:27:19.000 No, I'm just saying females in general, she's the hardest puncher.

02:27:22.000 Cyborg's a different player.

02:27:23.000 Really?

02:27:23.000 Okay.

02:27:24.000 Shit.

02:27:24.000 Okay.

02:27:24.000 You want to see her fight?

02:27:25.000 Watch this.

02:27:25.000 The game plan in my mind stays the same.

02:27:27.000 Did you see the fight with Misha?

02:27:29.000 I agree.

02:27:29.000 Did you see her fight with Misha?

02:27:30.000 Amanda Nunes, Misha?

02:27:32.000 Yes, but I forgot all about it.

02:27:34.000 It's vicious.

02:27:35.000 Pull up Amanda Nunes stopping Misha.

02:27:37.000 She beat her up standing up.

02:27:38.000 Oh, this was the last fight.

02:27:39.000 This was her last fight.

02:27:40.000 Yeah, where she won the belt.

02:27:40.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that.

02:27:41.000 Okay, what about the Sarah McMahon fight?

02:27:43.000 I don't remember.

02:27:44.000 Oh, this is UFC 200. Go before that, because before that is when she's beating her up on the feet.

02:27:51.000 Yeah, I was there.

02:27:51.000 She's got a nasty jab, too, man.

02:27:53.000 She steps in.

02:27:54.000 Good distance, too.

02:27:55.000 Boom, boom.

02:27:56.000 Good scramble.

02:27:57.000 The question is, there's a big difference between dealing with Ronda and dealing with Misha.

02:28:02.000 This is a mauling, man.

02:28:04.000 Jesus Christ.

02:28:04.000 She beat the brakes off of her.

02:28:06.000 Amanda's just putting it to Misha Tate.

02:28:08.000 She just has long-ass punches, too.

02:28:11.000 And then she gets her back...

02:28:13.000 This is how I see it going.

02:28:15.000 If Ronda's in the right frame of mind, I think she does rush in like she usually does.

02:28:19.000 Probably eats a shot, but then she gets inside, gets her underhook, takes her for a ride, and submits her in the first round.

02:28:24.000 God, I hope nobody tests positive for anything.

02:28:28.000 There's so many people getting popped lately.

02:28:29.000 How about Cyborg?

02:28:30.000 Yeah.

02:28:31.000 Game over.

02:28:32.000 No matter what it's for, game fucking over, man.

02:28:35.000 Now everyone goes, told ya!

02:28:37.000 Fucking told ya!

02:28:40.000 Spironolactone is what they're saying it is.

02:28:42.000 Spironolactone is a DHT inhibitor, which is a derivative of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone.

02:28:47.000 I used to rub that shit on my head.

02:28:48.000 Excuse me, man?

02:28:49.000 When I was trying to keep my hair from falling out because of testosterone?

02:28:52.000 Yeah.

02:28:52.000 Yeah, if you have the gene for it, dihydrotestosterone is what...

02:28:56.000 Both of you beautiful heads of hair don't have that as much.

02:28:58.000 Oh, come on, man.

02:28:59.000 Dude, come on.

02:29:00.000 My hair is falling out like it's...

02:29:01.000 I'm fine.

02:29:02.000 No.

02:29:02.000 You're almost 50. His hair is beautiful.

02:29:04.000 Thanks, man.

02:29:05.000 Thank you.

02:29:06.000 Thank you for...

02:29:06.000 Mine's dead.

02:29:07.000 Mine's a dead wasteland.

02:29:08.000 Done.

02:29:08.000 But when I was a kid...

02:29:09.000 Or when I was in my, I guess I was probably in my 20s, I would rub this Spironolactane on my fucking scalp because it's a DHT inhibitor.

02:29:18.000 It inhibits DHT, so when people take steroids, or a woman takes steroids, or a man who has that gene where the hair falls out, and if a man has that gene and he takes steroids, it's probably even worse.

02:29:30.000 But if you rub that spironolactone on, it has a DHT-inhibiting effect.

02:29:35.000 And I think if you take it orally, it also acts as a diuretic.

02:29:41.000 And there's also some uses as a masking agent.

02:29:45.000 There's a whole bunch of different uses of this.

02:29:47.000 Like as a diuretic, it also has benefits as a masking agent.

02:29:50.000 And it also mitigates the effects of taking steroids in females.

02:29:55.000 So there's a lot of stuff going on with that stuff.

02:29:58.000 But the one on her side that she says it is, is that it's used as a diuretic, which appears to be true.

02:30:04.000 You know what would be great?

02:30:04.000 If she goes to Ryzen and fights Gabby Garcia.

02:30:07.000 Think about that.

02:30:08.000 What she said, though, is that she had some issues.

02:30:11.000 I think they're friends.

02:30:12.000 I think they're friends.

02:30:12.000 Yeah.

02:30:13.000 Scratch that.

02:30:14.000 She had some issues with birth control pills, and then she was bloated because of birth control pills, so a doctor prescribed this to her off-season, which is to try to deal with...

02:30:23.000 Look, I don't know.

02:30:24.000 I ain't never cut that kind of weight before, but if you watch that Outside the Lines piece on her with the weight cutting, have you ever seen it?

02:30:29.000 I've seen it, and there was a commissioner who was like, I would never approve for her to fight.

02:30:34.000 It's horrific.

02:30:35.000 How she's fighting at 135 should be illegal.

02:30:37.000 Well, 140. She never got to 135. 140. Even 140. You've got to watch it, Eddie.

02:30:41.000 It's insane.

02:30:42.000 It's terrifying.

02:30:43.000 It's insane.

02:30:43.000 There's no way she should She's saying she turned down the fight, and that's why she's saying she turned down those two title fights, because I was giving her shit.

02:30:49.000 I'm like, who turns down title fights, even though they made the Division 4?

02:30:52.000 She's saying, I destroyed my body.

02:30:55.000 I'm having depression.

02:30:56.000 I'm having horrible issues.

02:30:58.000 My body's just not ready to fight.

02:30:59.000 Like, I need to march.

02:31:01.000 Well, when you talk to people that have cut ridiculous amounts of weight like that and then all of a sudden the body just goes...

02:31:07.000 Something goes wrong.

02:31:09.000 And your body doesn't want to lose any weight anymore.

02:31:11.000 Your kidneys start aching.

02:31:12.000 You get kidney stones.

02:31:13.000 It can be some serious side effects to cutting that kind of weight.

02:31:16.000 Your thyroid, too, goes...

02:31:19.000 It's so dangerous.

02:31:20.000 You're literally getting to the door of death 24 hours before you enter into a cage fight.

02:31:25.000 It's the craziest thing that we allow people to do in MMA. And it's essentially, in a lot of ways, it's sanctioned cheating.

02:31:31.000 True.

02:31:32.000 Sanctioned cheating.

02:31:33.000 You gotta have weight classes.

02:31:35.000 You gotta have a way to enforce them.

02:31:37.000 What's your idea?

02:31:39.000 I think there's got to be a way to get guys to fight people that are their size without having the same rigid weight structure where you have like 155 and 170 and 185. You don't have any solutions?

02:31:52.000 No, I don't.

02:31:53.000 I think there's got to be a way to check hydration levels in camp, and there's got to be a way.

02:31:58.000 You're going to have to blow the whole thing up, though.

02:32:01.000 Like, champions won't be the champions of the same weight class anymore.

02:32:03.000 But if you've got Chris Weidman to fight at his natural weight and another guy to fight at his...

02:32:07.000 But how do you determine that, though?

02:32:09.000 You would have to find out what a guy weighs when he's in shape and fit.

02:32:12.000 And you would have to do this whole transition over a period of time.

02:32:15.000 So when that weigh-in comes in, that's when they're gonna cut.

02:32:17.000 No, you don't allow them to.

02:32:19.000 You don't allow them to.

02:32:20.000 And there would also be like 20 belts, right?

02:32:21.000 Maybe just like, I'm in good shape.

02:32:23.000 No, you do the same thing that you do with USADA. You randomly test their hydration levels.

02:32:28.000 You randomly test their weight.

02:32:29.000 So if they're healthy and they're in camp, there's no way they're going to keep that weight off the entire camp.

02:32:32.000 It's impossible.

02:32:33.000 What if they're close?

02:32:33.000 You can't.

02:32:34.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:34.000 It's like, hey, I should be a lightweight.

02:32:35.000 As long as it's close, it's like when Cowboy cuts five pounds.

02:32:38.000 That's normal.

02:32:39.000 Like when you see Cowboy, you don't go, there's no way this dude is 170. You look at him, you go, yeah, he looks like he's 170. That's his real weight.

02:32:46.000 When you look at Damian Maia, you go, there's no fucking way he's 170. He's 200 pounds.

02:32:50.000 When you look at, like, Rick Story, he's giant.

02:32:53.000 Like, there's some guys that cut the weight and then put it back on in a big way.

02:32:57.000 Johnny Hendricks in his prime?

02:32:58.000 Johnny Hendricks in his prime would be jack-mified when he was Merkin John Fitch and Marvin Campman and those guys.

02:33:05.000 So random weigh-ins, random, so for sure they're not going to be cutting.

02:33:09.000 Exactly.

02:33:10.000 They wouldn't know.

02:33:10.000 So they couldn't.

02:33:11.000 And then whatever you weigh in at, they let you cut five pounds if you need to or something like that.

02:33:17.000 Something along those lines.

02:33:18.000 You give a person like a five-pound buffer.

02:33:20.000 It gets super messy.

02:33:22.000 It does get messy.

02:33:23.000 But you also, I think, you're causing part of the problem with weigh-ins by having these very specific weight classes, like 155, 170. So then the problem would be determining who is the champion.

02:33:34.000 And what do you call that champion?

02:33:35.000 You have a built-in area because, you know, you'd say welterweight or middleweight or light heavyweight.

02:33:41.000 What you're not saying is the 155-pound champ.

02:33:44.000 The names are kind of silly.

02:33:45.000 Like, why is welterweight 170 in MMA but 147 in boxing?

02:33:51.000 That's ridiculous.

02:33:51.000 Or light heavyweight.

02:33:52.000 Boxing's been around forever.

02:33:53.000 Why do we have different names or different weight classes for the same name?

02:33:58.000 But it doesn't matter.

02:33:59.000 Still, everybody knows what a light heavyweight is.

02:34:01.000 They're going based off that.

02:34:01.000 Yeah, it's still crazy.

02:34:03.000 My point is, instead, have lightweight, middleweight, have all these different names, but have people actually weigh that For a guy who's 170, have an actual 170-pound man.

02:34:15.000 Not some crazy dude who gets to 215 like Rumble Johnson used to do.

02:34:19.000 It's just too muddy.

02:34:20.000 How about this?

02:34:21.000 That would work, but how hard would it be in the random testing and all that shit and then the 5 pounds?

02:34:27.000 What if the guy is 6 pounds?

02:34:29.000 What you could do is the 48 hours before the weigh-in, you're under control.

02:34:37.000 You have to have like you're in a hotel.

02:34:38.000 They do that now?

02:34:39.000 Oh, really?

02:34:39.000 Yeah.

02:34:40.000 You can't do any extreme weight cutting, no weird baths, no nothing like that.

02:34:44.000 When you check in on Tuesday, I don't, again, Bert's gone to the commission, I don't know what the fuck they're doing now, but they used to do, as soon as you land, you don't check in anything, you go to the room and they weigh you.

02:34:56.000 And if you're like 40 pounds, 30 pounds over, they're on you, man.

02:35:00.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

02:35:02.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:35:03.000 Makes sense.

02:35:04.000 That's it.

02:35:04.000 Yeah, they'd have to weigh you all the time.

02:35:06.000 They fixed it already.

02:35:07.000 And then they're all over.

02:35:08.000 Yeah, they're all over.

02:35:09.000 And you're weighing in every day.

02:35:10.000 Oh, that's all they have to do.

02:35:11.000 If you're red flagged, then they'll tell Dana, hey...

02:35:16.000 Bad example.

02:35:17.000 Good example.

02:35:17.000 Guys miss weight.

02:35:18.000 But they don't.

02:35:19.000 They don't.

02:35:19.000 Because the guys still miss.

02:35:21.000 Because like, hey, Kelvin's 30 pounds overweight.

02:35:24.000 And like, all right, well, he's made it before.

02:35:26.000 And then he still doesn't make it.

02:35:27.000 You can't have that.

02:35:28.000 What you got to have is someone who doesn't allow anybody to fight 30 pounds over what they actually weigh in at.

02:35:34.000 It's not legal.

02:35:35.000 Like Weidman cut, I want to say, 37 pounds in three days.

02:35:39.000 For Liotta?

02:35:40.000 Yeah.

02:35:40.000 When he fought Liotta Machida?

02:35:42.000 Yeah.

02:35:42.000 So there's got to be an official weigh-in a few times.

02:35:47.000 They all got to be official.

02:35:48.000 Throughout camp.

02:35:50.000 They do that in Abu Dhabi because it's a two-day tournament, and you got to weigh, if you make it to Sunday, if you win a couple matches and you get it to the semifinals and finals, you got to weigh in again on Sunday.

02:36:00.000 Who did Weidman fight when he cut all that weight?

02:36:01.000 Was it Damian Maia?

02:36:03.000 No, it was in Abu Dhabi, and he was cutting weight on the plane, remember?

02:36:06.000 Oh, it was in Abu Dhabi.

02:36:08.000 So who did he fight?

02:36:09.000 Did he fight Lyoto?

02:36:11.000 No, it wasn't Liotto.

02:36:12.000 I thought it was on Fox.

02:36:13.000 No, it wasn't Liotto.

02:36:14.000 It was in Abu Dhabi, I remember.

02:36:16.000 It was Damian Maia.

02:36:18.000 It was Damian Maia.

02:36:19.000 It was Damian Maia.

02:36:20.000 That was on Fox, wasn't it?

02:36:22.000 I forget.

02:36:23.000 No, because Anderson, Munoz fought on that card.

02:36:27.000 So was that Abu Dhabi when BJ Penn fought Frankie Edgar?

02:36:31.000 It must have been, because the other Abu Dhabi card was when Anderson fought Damian Maia.

02:36:35.000 Right?

02:36:35.000 Those are the two that I went to.

02:36:37.000 I don't think it's a Fox card.

02:36:38.000 No?

02:36:39.000 I think you're right.

02:36:41.000 What do you think about the new rules that Big John McCarthy?

02:36:43.000 Did you see that video?

02:36:44.000 No, I didn't watch it.

02:36:47.000 You didn't watch it?

02:36:48.000 No, I didn't watch it.

02:36:48.000 What?

02:36:49.000 You're an MMA encyclopedia.

02:36:51.000 How could you not watch the new unified rules that Big John McCarthy posted?

02:36:55.000 You watched it, right?

02:36:56.000 Yeah, it was Damian Maia.

02:36:57.000 So he basically won a stand-up fight against Damian Maia, and it was on Fox.

02:37:02.000 It was the second card on Fox, and he cut a lot of weight in a short amount of time.

02:37:09.000 32 pounds in 10 days.

02:37:10.000 Insane.

02:37:11.000 Chris Wyman's a monster.

02:37:13.000 You get to death's door, and then he's so fucking tough.

02:37:15.000 You can't do that.

02:37:16.000 You know when fighters are against the cage and they put their hand on the mat so they don't get kneed in the face?

02:37:21.000 Can't do that no more.

02:37:22.000 That's awesome.

02:37:22.000 You've got to have all four Yeah, I've had both hands.

02:37:25.000 Oh, they've had that.

02:37:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:37:27.000 No, they haven't had that.

02:37:28.000 It just started in 2017. It starts in 2017, but they announced it.

02:37:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:37:33.000 That's a great rule.

02:37:34.000 Hell yeah.

02:37:35.000 It's a little, I mean...

02:37:37.000 Did they talk about eye pokes or anything like that?

02:37:40.000 I don't think so.

02:37:41.000 They did talk about clavicle grabs.

02:37:44.000 Yes.

02:37:44.000 Grabbing the collar.

02:37:45.000 That used to be illegal.

02:37:46.000 I used to really think that you could do that.

02:37:47.000 Yeah.

02:37:48.000 I remember hearing a guy say that he could do that.

02:37:49.000 Oh, just hit somebody in the collarbone.

02:37:50.000 Please do.

02:37:51.000 Try that.

02:37:52.000 Please do.

02:37:52.000 Please try to donkey punch.

02:37:53.000 Like kick him in the knee?

02:37:54.000 Like, oh, I'll just kick him in the knee.

02:37:55.000 The collarbone, though, is the dumbest.

02:37:57.000 Like, do you really think it's that easy?

02:37:59.000 Yeah.

02:38:00.000 Just gonna hit someone on their collarbones?

02:38:02.000 That thing collapses.

02:38:03.000 Kick them in the knees is more popular, right?

02:38:05.000 Yeah.

02:38:05.000 Dudes, they think they could just kick you in the knee and then they're gonna like immobilize you.

02:38:10.000 To your weight point, a guy who could really benefit from that is Chris Weidman.

02:38:14.000 Him at light heavyweight.

02:38:15.000 He should be a light heavyweight, I feel like.

02:38:17.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:38:18.000 Well, Jon Jones should be a heavyweight then.

02:38:20.000 You know, Jon Jones fought Dan Henderson in that grappling match.

02:38:22.000 He was 238 pounds.

02:38:24.000 I mean, he murked.

02:38:25.000 Jesus, Louisa.

02:38:26.000 What a beautiful takedown.

02:38:27.000 See his takedown?

02:38:28.000 Oh my god, I love it.

02:38:30.000 He shot in and Gary Tonin hit that very same takedown, but unsuccessfully on his opponent.

02:38:35.000 Kim Terra.

02:38:36.000 Yeah, in a grappling match right after that.

02:38:38.000 John's a gorilla.

02:38:38.000 I think Wyman is going to go to light heavyweight.

02:38:40.000 John is so big for light heavyweight, man.

02:38:42.000 He's so fucking physically talented, too.

02:38:44.000 What is it?

02:38:45.000 It's a fake single and then you kind of like duck under and get the clinch?

02:38:50.000 Yep.

02:38:50.000 Is that what that was?

02:38:51.000 And the way John did it was just, it was so glorious.

02:38:54.000 When you watch how quickly he covered ground, you realize how fucking talented he is, man.

02:38:59.000 Oh, you know what?

02:38:59.000 I don't even think it's up on the internet either.

02:39:01.000 It is.

02:39:01.000 You can watch it.

02:39:02.000 You can watch this.

02:39:02.000 Yeah, I watched it.

02:39:03.000 You could watch the takedown and you can watch the finish.

02:39:06.000 I don't think you can watch the whole fight.

02:39:07.000 And now I think, are they going to do John versus Chael now?

02:39:11.000 Because John got on the mic and was like, yeah, I want to fight you, Chael.

02:39:14.000 I think they are going to probably do something like that.

02:39:16.000 Chael will go in there and get smushed for a paycheck.

02:39:19.000 Just for the ratings.

02:39:20.000 John is just too big and too good.

02:39:22.000 He's so talented, man.

02:39:24.000 He's winning jiu-jitsu tournaments like as a goof.

02:39:26.000 He's stepping into them and grappling with people and strangling them as a goof.

02:39:29.000 I would love to see him go with like a Gary Tonin or with like a real jiu-jitsu guy.

02:39:33.000 Oh, 100%.

02:39:33.000 Or Felipe Peña.

02:39:35.000 Yeah.

02:39:37.000 Let me tell you something, man.

02:39:38.000 What John said when he was on my podcast, he goes, I fell in love with jiu-jitsu.

02:39:42.000 He goes, I'm obsessed with it.

02:39:43.000 He goes, I'm training it all the time.

02:39:44.000 He goes, now, I'm not going to be standing in front of people trading anymore.

02:39:46.000 He goes, fuck that.

02:39:47.000 He's like, I'm going to be taking people down and choking the shit out of them.

02:39:50.000 He said that?

02:39:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:39:51.000 It was hilarious.

02:39:53.000 He's so talented as a grappler.

02:39:55.000 You can do whatever he wants.

02:39:56.000 Like on some other planet.

02:39:57.000 Yeah.

02:39:58.000 It was a nice pass, too.

02:39:59.000 He took him down, and then it was a nice pass.

02:40:01.000 That arm triangle was textbook.

02:40:02.000 Jon Jones might be pulling guard on people and armbarring them in the future.

02:40:06.000 He already did.

02:40:06.000 He pulled guard in the USA. Daniel Cormier.

02:40:07.000 Daniel Cormier, after he was beating him.

02:40:09.000 Yeah, he was up.

02:40:10.000 But he might be pulling guard on people and armbarring them in the future.

02:40:13.000 He's also a guy who could do, even to a bigger level, be the light heavyweight champ and heavyweight champ.

02:40:19.000 And he could do that.

02:40:20.000 He could do it.

02:40:21.000 He could get so much more notoriety than Conor.

02:40:23.000 Could he take the Abu Dhabi absolute as well?

02:40:26.000 Maybe.

02:40:27.000 He might be.

02:40:27.000 Look, man, you occasionally get a guy that's just so incredibly talented.

02:40:32.000 It's really all about focus.

02:40:34.000 If you watch him, you've seen it, the Dan Henderson match.

02:40:39.000 Dan Henderson's totally undersized.

02:40:41.000 They're not nearly in the same weight class.

02:40:42.000 Dan Henderson's really not going all out either, is he?

02:40:45.000 But it's effortless.

02:40:46.000 I mean, you watch how he does it.

02:40:48.000 What do you mean?

02:40:48.000 You think Dan Henderson was going light?

02:40:51.000 I just think Dan was like...

02:40:52.000 It was a match.

02:40:53.000 It was a competition.

02:40:54.000 Yeah, but it's Dan Henderson.

02:40:56.000 Let's watch this here.

02:40:57.000 Here it goes.

02:40:57.000 Because this is suspended UFC fighter John Jones.

02:41:00.000 What does it say?

02:41:01.000 Fought Dan Henderson at underground event.

02:41:03.000 And John started off on his knees and just crawled forward.

02:41:07.000 And you see Dan putting his hand on his head.

02:41:10.000 At underground event.

02:41:11.000 That was a nice man.

02:41:12.000 He's like...

02:41:14.000 John is like...

02:41:17.000 He's unstoppable, the way he's closing in on him.

02:41:17.000 He's got that Gracie Baja flag on his shorts.

02:41:19.000 Dude, he's so strong, too.

02:41:22.000 What I'm saying is the way he's moving in on him, it's almost unavoidable.

02:41:25.000 It's like, this is going to be a mauling.

02:41:28.000 This is not going to be like what he did with Chael Sonnen, when he grabbed Chael and took him down and just slammed him on the ground.

02:41:34.000 Oh, he can't be undersized and compete with John.

02:41:35.000 Look at the guys that have given him issues, like Gustafson.

02:41:38.000 He's his same size.

02:41:40.000 Those are the only time he really has issues.

02:41:41.000 Vitor gave him some issues.

02:41:43.000 Well, Vitor caught him in that armbar and then got dealt with.

02:41:45.000 He submitted Vitor.

02:41:46.000 Yes, he did.

02:41:47.000 Yes, he did.

02:41:47.000 But when Vitor caught him in that armbar, that was really the first time we'd seen him ever in trouble.

02:41:52.000 He's human!

02:41:54.000 Get out of here.

02:41:55.000 This is mostly John just pushing him up against the cage.

02:41:58.000 Then he let him go, oh, he threw a jab at him.

02:42:00.000 What the fuck is that about?

02:42:01.000 He's joking around.

02:42:04.000 Well, he didn't really throw a jab.

02:42:05.000 Like, he pretended he was going to do a spinning elbow.

02:42:08.000 Oh, he's just clowning around on him.

02:42:09.000 I think Rockhold wants to do it, too.

02:42:11.000 John Jones with Rockhold would be fun.

02:42:12.000 That's right.

02:42:13.000 Rockhold did say that.

02:42:14.000 Let's see the take...

02:42:15.000 Well, how long did the match go?

02:42:17.000 I don't remember.

02:42:19.000 The takedown was the ridiculous thing.

02:42:21.000 Let's see if you can find that in there.

02:42:23.000 See, now this is worth it, Eddie, just to make money.

02:42:27.000 Because no head trauma.

02:42:28.000 If you lose, it's whatever.

02:42:30.000 Yeah.

02:42:30.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

02:42:31.000 This is a totally different thing.

02:42:32.000 I really wish that this pay...

02:42:34.000 There it is.

02:42:34.000 Woo!

02:42:35.000 Boom.

02:42:36.000 Gets him down and right into side control.

02:42:38.000 I really wish that this was a viable option in terms of financial success.

02:42:45.000 I really wish that there was a way...

02:42:47.000 Maybe one day.

02:42:47.000 I think your event has the best chance of doing it.

02:42:50.000 I really do.

02:42:51.000 I think if your event, people watch it and get behind it, it has a real possibility because it's fucking exciting as shit and people will pay money to see it.

02:42:59.000 Especially when the caliber of these guys are doing it.

02:43:01.000 I'm flying to Vegas tomorrow meeting with UFC Fight Pass.

02:43:05.000 They got great numbers.

02:43:07.000 EBI 10, they said the numbers were staggering, and they want to get behind it and go crazy.

02:43:11.000 It's the best thing on it.

02:43:12.000 That's what I'm talking about, Eddie.

02:43:14.000 Look at this.

02:43:14.000 This is totally possible.

02:43:15.000 You could be the Don King of chokes.

02:43:18.000 Look at this.

02:43:22.000 And Eddie, you were saying that you oftentimes will stay in the mount here.

02:43:25.000 Yeah, I stay in the three-quarter mount, butter mount.

02:43:28.000 That's the best spot.

02:43:29.000 Do you ever stay in full mount?

02:43:30.000 Full mount, too.

02:43:31.000 Only because the rise of leg lockers, deadly leg lockers that hit a leg lock transition when they're mounted.

02:43:39.000 So if you let them get their hips up, I always stay in three-quarter.

02:43:42.000 The only time I'm doing a full mount is if I'm in skydive.

02:43:45.000 If I got my hips down and my ankles crossed and then I'm hunting for an underhook, but I'll never just sit there in regular mount because everybody now has got that mount escape to leg locks.

02:43:56.000 It could just turn everything around.

02:43:57.000 It could be over.

02:43:58.000 So you push on the hips and get the legs up?

02:44:00.000 Also, those ridiculously flexible guys that get those legs in play, like Eddie's dexterity.

02:44:05.000 Your dexterity.

02:44:06.000 That's always been my main escape too, is using my flexibility.

02:44:09.000 When someone mounts me, and that takes me into leg locks.

02:44:13.000 That used to be the only heel hook I had in my game was off being mounted, and then I would use a Hail Mary escape, C-cups in the armpits, cross my feet in front of their stomach, overhook a leg, and then take them right to just good old-fashioned outside heel hook.

02:44:28.000 That was my number one escape.

02:44:29.000 And that's just too dangerous.

02:44:30.000 Now guys have taken that escape and added a thousand more leg lock transitions off it.

02:44:36.000 And at that, I actually had a guy come to my gym maybe four or five years ago, a purple belt from Henzo's.

02:44:43.000 And he was super flexible.

02:44:45.000 I walk onto the mat and he's sitting there walking to class.

02:44:47.000 He's got both legs behind his head.

02:44:50.000 I don't know who this guy is.

02:44:51.000 He's sitting on my mats.

02:44:52.000 He's sitting on my mats.

02:44:53.000 I'm like, how you doing?

02:44:54.000 He's just looking at me.

02:44:55.000 He wanted to show me how flexible he was.

02:44:57.000 He's way more flexible than I am.

02:44:58.000 Way more.

02:44:59.000 I can't cross my feet behind my head.

02:45:01.000 And we rolled, and I mounted him quite easily, but I didn't know it was a trick.

02:45:05.000 He let me mount him, and then his flexibility, and I was low.

02:45:08.000 I was super low, but he would grab his feet and just put it in the little crack, and inch by inch, he would stick his I'm laying flat on him, and then he would get through, boom, right into a leg lock, and he tapped me.

02:45:19.000 I'm like, holy shit.

02:45:21.000 So we went again, and I mounted him again.

02:45:23.000 I said, I shouldn't have mounted him.

02:45:25.000 You know, there's some guys like, you just don't fucking mount these guys.

02:45:27.000 You take them to the truck.

02:45:28.000 So I mounted him, and I was super Just clenching tight.

02:45:32.000 And he just grabbed his foot and just put it right there.

02:45:35.000 Just would hold it right in between our rib cages.

02:45:38.000 And he couldn't get in initially, but inch by inch he would just get...

02:45:42.000 He would just hold his foot.

02:45:43.000 It was like he was jailbreaking to that mount escape.

02:45:48.000 Wow.

02:45:49.000 So is that just crazy flexibility?

02:45:51.000 He tapped me again.

02:45:51.000 And I thought from that point on, I go, hmm.

02:45:53.000 I can't ever...

02:45:55.000 I always got to make sure that...

02:46:01.000 I roll with people and assume everyone can do that.

02:46:05.000 Doesn't Sean Bollinger have that kind of ridiculous flexibility and dexterity?

02:46:08.000 You gotta assume everyone's that good.

02:46:10.000 So at that point, it altered my mount a lot.

02:46:12.000 Like with the arm triangles, I just stay in the mount.

02:46:14.000 So you have to assume that everybody's at the death level.

02:46:18.000 Why not, right?

02:46:19.000 Because if it works on them, then it works on everybody.

02:46:21.000 Fucked me up with it.

02:46:22.000 What was crazy, when Eddie and I were doing that Ana imitational thing, they were telling us that there's like...

02:46:27.000 14-year-olds, 17-year-olds who are homeschooled just to be dedicated to jiu-jitsu.

02:46:32.000 Remember those nine-year-olds?

02:46:35.000 I was like, what the fuck is going on here?

02:46:37.000 Two nine-year-olds doing ankle locks, fucking all your shit.

02:46:42.000 You know what we were talking about earlier?

02:46:44.000 Before the podcast started, we were talking about physical freaks, like that big gorilla, Shane Carlin, and how when I watched Shane Carlin roll with people, I was like, what is the point of this?

02:46:53.000 This is preposterous.

02:46:54.000 It's so frustrating.

02:46:56.000 Shane Carlin walked into Amal Easton's jiu-jitsu gym, and I didn't know who he was for a second.

02:47:01.000 Obviously, I knew who he was.

02:47:01.000 I'd commentated his fights.

02:47:03.000 But for a second, I looked up from the mat, and I saw him walk in.

02:47:06.000 I'm like, that's not a person.

02:47:07.000 That's a gorilla.

02:47:08.000 That's some shaved-up gorilla.

02:47:09.000 That's Juggla from the X-Men.

02:47:10.000 Yeah.

02:47:10.000 It doesn't even look like a real human.

02:47:12.000 And he would roll with people, and it would be preposterous.

02:47:14.000 It was a waste of your time.

02:47:16.000 I remember I trained, because Shane had another job, and he'd have an injury, so he'd be gone for like four months.

02:47:21.000 I trained jiu-jitsu twice a day.

02:47:23.000 I'm like, I can't wait, because he was like a big brother.

02:47:25.000 I'm like, I can't wait until he gets in.

02:47:26.000 I'm going to roll this fool up.

02:47:27.000 He would come in off his nine-to-five, set his lunchbox down, put on his fucking weird basketball shorts, baggy t-shirt.

02:47:37.000 I'm like, you've been rolling?

02:47:38.000 I'm like, yeah, man, let's go.

02:47:39.000 And he'd just fucking destroy me.

02:47:42.000 I'm like, dude, why don't you do more jiu-jitsu?

02:47:44.000 He's like, Why?

02:47:46.000 I'm just fucking gorilla strong, man.

02:47:48.000 He is gorilla strong, but wouldn't you love to see a guy like him fall in love with it and then win the Mundials?

02:47:53.000 Like, how crazy would that be?

02:47:55.000 How crazy would it be to watch Shane Carwin win Abu Dhabi?

02:47:58.000 With his wrestling background, if he dedicated to it?

02:48:01.000 If he dedicated himself to submissions, like, just pure submissions.

02:48:05.000 Like, what a freak athlete.

02:48:07.000 His Munson choke, you know, because he's bigger than Munson, he would pop your head off if he got it.

02:48:11.000 You know what the problem is, though, man?

02:48:13.000 He's got just that preposterous punching power, and he's like, why would I not have my best thing?

02:48:19.000 Yeah.

02:48:19.000 Like, his punching power was just ridiculous.

02:48:21.000 See, it's too much work.

02:48:22.000 Why don't I just jab that guy in the face and win a gag point?

02:48:25.000 And it's fun.

02:48:26.000 I mean, it's got to feel way better to knock someone out, to drop someone, than to tap him out.

02:48:32.000 Yeah.

02:48:32.000 Go to Shane Carwin KO's Frank Mir, because that was one of the darkest ones.

02:48:37.000 Did you ever hear Frank Mir's corner?

02:48:39.000 They're going, they're going, uh, chill, Frank.

02:48:41.000 Round's almost over.

02:48:42.000 Just chill.

02:48:43.000 And it pissed Shane off.

02:48:44.000 He looks at the corner and...

02:48:46.000 And just fucking ends Frank Mir right there.

02:48:50.000 That's what he did.

02:48:50.000 His corner's going, you're good, Frank.

02:48:52.000 Just let him get the underhook.

02:48:54.000 Don't give him head control.

02:48:55.000 Just chill.

02:48:56.000 It's almost the end of the round.

02:48:57.000 And Shane's like, what are you talking about?

02:48:59.000 I can knock a dude out.

02:49:00.000 I need this much space.

02:49:01.000 He a douche!

02:49:02.000 Game over.

02:49:03.000 They were ridiculous.

02:49:04.000 Uppercuts.

02:49:05.000 Just horrific.

02:49:06.000 Vicious.

02:49:07.000 Yeah, he's an interesting example of...

02:49:09.000 Frank Mir wants to do EBI. I know he does.

02:49:11.000 Yeah.

02:49:11.000 It's a great idea.

02:49:12.000 Yeah.

02:49:13.000 Look, he's awesome.

02:49:15.000 Fabricio Verdum, as well, wants to do combat jiu-jitsu.

02:49:18.000 The combat jiu-jitsu version of EBI. He used to be slapping.

02:49:21.000 Which is going to be the next show.

02:49:22.000 EBI 11's going to have a regular 16-man, regular EBI rules, welterweights.

02:49:29.000 And within it, a four-man combat jiu-jitsu match.

02:49:31.000 When is that?

02:49:32.000 In March.

02:49:33.000 We nail down the date tomorrow at the meeting.

02:49:35.000 I'll go to that for sure.

02:49:36.000 Let me know when it comes up.

02:49:37.000 There's going to be jiu-jitsu with palm strikes.

02:49:39.000 Jiu-jitsu with palm strikes is coming.

02:49:41.000 I would go to it and watch it with you.

02:49:44.000 No, no, no.

02:49:46.000 But not the slap part, but have you ever thought about competing in the jiu-jitsu part?

02:49:53.000 Is he too busy with podcasting?

02:49:54.000 I'm too busy with podcasting and comedy, working on stand-ups hard enough.

02:50:00.000 It's so challenging, man.

02:50:01.000 I appreciate that, but when you did have that grappling match at Metamorris with Cyborg and everybody got mad at you, and you understand why everybody got mad at you.

02:50:08.000 100%.

02:50:08.000 You'd be even more mad if you know how much money I made.

02:50:10.000 You did engage him.

02:50:11.000 You did engage him, and you engaged him on the ground.

02:50:14.000 You gave Cyborg chances, and he couldn't do shit with you.

02:50:16.000 And I watched it, and I was like, wow.

02:50:18.000 I understand you being cautious because you have to fight in the UFC, and you didn't want to get your legs torn up because Cyborg's that tornado guard, and he's a ridiculously strong dude.

02:50:26.000 Ridiculous.

02:50:27.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

02:50:28.000 I mean, Cyborg is a killer.

02:50:30.000 But you did nullify his attacks.

02:50:33.000 I mean, I understand that you went pretty straight defense, but it did work.

02:50:36.000 You know, it's interesting, because he was engaging with you.

02:50:39.000 You were locked up with him in the guard, and he wasn't able to do anything with you.

02:50:42.000 I was like, hmm.

02:50:43.000 I wonder how you would do if you really dedicated yourself And competed in some sort of an event like that.

02:50:50.000 You want the truth?

02:50:51.000 I just don't care.

02:50:52.000 That's all you need to say.

02:50:53.000 I'm too busy with other things.

02:50:54.000 That's perfect.

02:50:55.000 That part of my life, I love watching Eddie's thing and I love commentating on it.

02:50:59.000 Because you really got to dedicate to keep it.

02:51:01.000 You know how it is.

02:51:02.000 You really got to dedicate and be all in.

02:51:03.000 All Cyborg's doing is shooting jiu-jitsu seminars and videos and rolling every day.

02:51:09.000 I just don't care, man.

02:51:10.000 When you put Mitrione to sleep, I remember thinking, this dude's got a fucking serious darse.

02:51:15.000 You have a serious darse.

02:51:16.000 When you clamped that thing on Mitriona, I was like, ooh, ooh.

02:51:20.000 Like, ooh, this is...

02:51:21.000 And then he was out.

02:51:22.000 And I was like, that's a serious fucking Darce choke.

02:51:25.000 Yeah, that was my shit, man.

02:51:26.000 I love jujitsu, but it's just...

02:51:28.000 Yeah, I'm not in that lane anymore.

02:51:31.000 It's not like there's not big money in submission only right now.

02:51:36.000 There should be.

02:51:37.000 It's fun.

02:51:37.000 Maybe.

02:51:38.000 You know, for the winner, the winner has pretty good money.

02:51:40.000 I mean, Gary Turner has made thousands and thousands of dollars in Eddie Cummings.

02:51:44.000 Yeah, they made more than $100,000 this year.

02:51:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:51:46.000 They're making money if you win.

02:51:48.000 But overall, you know, right now, there's no money for it.

02:51:54.000 But still...

02:51:56.000 Still, the guys that are in it, the guys at the top, they're training full motherfucking time.

02:52:02.000 All the time.

02:52:02.000 I feel like your event has a change.

02:52:04.000 All day.

02:52:05.000 Your event has the possibility to change that.

02:52:07.000 I really do.

02:52:08.000 You've got the event.

02:52:09.000 I really do.

02:52:10.000 Hopefully.

02:52:11.000 You know, EBI 10 was pretty fucking damn crazy.

02:52:13.000 They're so crazy to watch, man.

02:52:14.000 And you've got little girls competing, which is amazing.

02:52:17.000 To watch girls that are like, how old are the youngest girls you have there?

02:52:20.000 You know, the UFC didn't want to have any of that anymore.

02:52:23.000 Oh, really?

02:52:24.000 Yeah, no more minors.

02:52:24.000 No more...

02:52:26.000 No more underage fighters.

02:52:29.000 Oh, man.

02:52:30.000 Was that because of the girl that got heel hooked and her leg popped?

02:52:32.000 Probably.

02:52:32.000 The soul snatcher?

02:52:33.000 Probably.

02:52:34.000 Yeah.

02:52:34.000 She got her heel hooked.

02:52:35.000 You heard the snap.

02:52:36.000 Yeah.

02:52:37.000 Remember that?

02:52:38.000 Yeah.

02:52:39.000 She had her ACL blown out.

02:52:40.000 Yeah, I love watching children do jiu-jitsu.

02:52:43.000 That's the cutest shit.

02:52:45.000 It's mind-blowing.

02:52:46.000 I love it.

02:52:46.000 It shows you where the sport's at.

02:52:48.000 Grace Gundrum, come on.

02:52:49.000 I know.

02:52:49.000 Grace Gundrum, she is really amazing.

02:52:52.000 What's her name?

02:52:53.000 Cora?

02:52:53.000 Cora Sack.

02:52:54.000 Have you seen this Cora girl?

02:52:55.000 She had the big old check.

02:52:57.000 Isn't it possible to maybe have a youth version of the same thing and just call it something else and don't do it on Fight Pass?

02:53:05.000 That is possible.

02:53:06.000 It seems like there might be an option to do other stuff as well, unless you have some sort of exclusive thing.

02:53:11.000 No, because you want to grow it.

02:53:12.000 I agree, like that Pop 1 or League.

02:53:14.000 You want to give kids the chance to compete.

02:53:16.000 Yeah, people loved watching Grace.

02:53:19.000 People loved it.

02:53:20.000 It was my favorite thing to watch.

02:53:22.000 She got bigger roars than anybody.

02:53:24.000 Oh, yeah, man.

02:53:24.000 Tremendous roars.

02:53:25.000 People fucking love watching Grace.

02:53:27.000 But, you know, there's other shows.

02:53:29.000 She's going to do Show of the Art Finishers, which is a sub-only show, EBI Rules on the East Coast.

02:53:36.000 She's going to do that.

02:53:36.000 She's got a big fight.

02:53:37.000 It's like a super fight coming up.

02:53:38.000 Cora just fought in the Honored Invitational.

02:53:40.000 So there's these other submission-only tournaments out there using EBI Rules where they have a platform.

02:53:47.000 And the UFC, I didn't even want to fight them on it.

02:53:50.000 Yeah.

02:53:51.000 I'm like, okay, no minors, no minors, no big deal.

02:53:55.000 Eventually, we'll see the return of grace.

02:53:58.000 Eventually.

02:53:59.000 Can you imagine three or four years later when she's 18 and we bring her back?

02:54:04.000 It's nuts.

02:54:04.000 It's going to be crazy.

02:54:05.000 It's going to be like the Guns N' Roses reunion.

02:54:08.000 Yeah, yeah, really.

02:54:09.000 Of jiu-jitsu.

02:54:10.000 Interesting.

02:54:11.000 It's just interesting to see it because I think it's the safer alternative for the athletes, especially athletes that really just want to develop their jiu-jitsu skills and get immersed in jiu-jitsu.

02:54:20.000 They don't want to have to, in order to be a professional, have to compete as an MMA fighter.

02:54:25.000 When the competition is so high in jiu-jitsu right now.

02:54:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:54:29.000 And so far, every jiu-jitsu event has failed.

02:54:32.000 They've all failed.

02:54:32.000 All of them.

02:54:33.000 And EBI, you know, we're not out of the woods.

02:54:35.000 There's no big, giant pile of money.

02:54:37.000 No one's making money except for the winners.

02:54:39.000 You know, we're just...

02:54:40.000 It's a passion project, 100%.

02:54:42.000 And who knows?

02:54:44.000 Maybe we don't survive.

02:54:45.000 But apparently we got really good reviews at the UFC Fight Pass for EBI 10, which you can still watch right now.

02:54:51.000 You can watch the replay.

02:54:52.000 It was amazing.

02:54:53.000 Watching Gio Martinez and Eddie Cummings go out at that, that was...

02:54:57.000 One of the most epic jiu-jitsu matches of all time.

02:54:59.000 If you guys don't survive, everyone's fucked.

02:55:02.000 Yeah, everyone's fucked.

02:55:02.000 Hey, we're going to try.

02:55:03.000 We're doing our best.

02:55:05.000 I know you're being humble and everything like that.

02:55:07.000 You just never know.

02:55:09.000 No events have made it so far.

02:55:10.000 No events have made any money.

02:55:11.000 Because their rules sucked ass.

02:55:13.000 Go back to the UFC card.

02:55:15.000 Let's see.

02:55:16.000 Is there any fights that we missed on this UFC card?

02:55:18.000 I don't know.

02:55:19.000 There's all these different rule sets.

02:55:20.000 It's going to be great, Eddie.

02:55:21.000 Don't worry about it.

02:55:22.000 No, no, no.

02:55:22.000 You got the perfect rule set.

02:55:24.000 Let's go back to this just to see if there's anything else that we missed on this card.

02:55:27.000 Hendrix Magny's a fun one.

02:55:28.000 Oh, that's right.

02:55:28.000 That's right.

02:55:29.000 That's what I wanted to talk about.

02:55:30.000 Dude, you know, you got to wonder where Johnny Hendrix's head is at when you heard the way he trained for his last fight.

02:55:37.000 You know, he was saying that he was only training like a few days a week, and he wasn't really...

02:55:41.000 Yeah, that steakhouse.

02:55:41.000 Yeah, he wasn't really training every day, and that his wife really got him geared up to train for this fight.

02:55:48.000 But the problem with that is, like, Neil Magny's on a fucking roll, man.

02:55:52.000 I mean, he's had some tough fights, some good fights, and he beat Hector motherfucking Lombard by stoppage.

02:55:59.000 That's right.

02:56:00.000 He beat Lombard and he beat Kelvin.

02:56:01.000 And he beat Lombard when Lombard was putting it to him in the first round.

02:56:05.000 That's right.

02:56:05.000 It was one of those really close fights where it was like, man, this might get stopped.

02:56:08.000 Then Damian Maia ate his ass for lunch like Kobayashi.

02:56:12.000 Dude, the way Damian Maia put that smush down on him, I was like, whoa.

02:56:15.000 Just a bad matchup.

02:56:16.000 Just next level jiu-jitsu.

02:56:19.000 What do you think about Damian Maia?

02:56:21.000 There's levels to this thing.

02:56:22.000 Very interesting.

02:56:23.000 First of all, you gotta get a hold of Woodley.

02:56:26.000 Second of all, you gotta get him to the ground.

02:56:28.000 Good luck with both of those things.

02:56:30.000 Yeah.

02:56:30.000 Good luck with both of those things.

02:56:31.000 Without getting fucking hammered into another dimension.

02:56:34.000 It's a fun, fun fight.

02:56:36.000 And Woodley showed in that Wonderboy fight that he can hammer you into a dimension in the fourth round.

02:56:40.000 Correct.

02:56:40.000 He can still, deep into the fucking championship rounds, can still hammer you out of this fucking zone.

02:56:44.000 That's a scary fight for Maya.

02:56:45.000 For everybody.

02:56:47.000 At the same time, the threat of that jiu-jitsu might make Woodley a little cautious.

02:56:51.000 100%.

02:56:52.000 He's probably not going to throw any leg kicks or anything.

02:56:56.000 He's just trying to knock his ass out.

02:56:57.000 But don't you think that Woodley's wrestling and his physical size and strength, he's unbelievably strong.

02:57:03.000 Damian Maia at 170 has taken down wrestler after wrestler.

02:57:06.000 Did you see when Damian Maia took down Chael Sonnen?

02:57:10.000 People forget that.

02:57:11.000 And he's in with the inverted triangle, the mount?

02:57:14.000 That shit was insane.

02:57:15.000 He lateral dropped him.

02:57:16.000 Double overhook, lateral dropped him.

02:57:17.000 He didn't expect him.

02:57:17.000 Kaboom!

02:57:18.000 Yeah, it was glorious.

02:57:21.000 That's vintage Damien Maia.

02:57:21.000 Yeah, he got ahold of him.

02:57:23.000 And that was this Frank Muir vs.

02:57:25.000 Karwin.

02:57:25.000 This is horrific.

02:57:26.000 I couldn't find a good video of it.

02:57:28.000 No?

02:57:28.000 Oh, okay.

02:57:28.000 Don't worry about it.

02:57:29.000 Oh, UFC don't play that game.

02:57:30.000 Yeah, it's probably only on Fight Pass.

02:57:32.000 If you go to UFC Fight Pass.

02:57:33.000 Do we have an account?

02:57:35.000 Or is it just my account?

02:57:36.000 Oh, okay.

02:57:36.000 Is it on?

02:57:38.000 We don't have to see it.

02:57:39.000 But anyway, it was a murking.

02:57:41.000 Murking.

02:57:42.000 We were talking about the difference between a guy who's like a super tactical, really high-level guy, and then there's a point of diminishing returns where it doesn't work on somebody.

02:57:49.000 And that's the point of Shane Carwin.

02:57:53.000 Almost like there's a physical limit of almost all technique that you hit a wall when someone gets just so stupid strong that they can't, as long as he's skilled, and he is skilled on top of that.

02:58:04.000 He's aware of what's going on.

02:58:05.000 He's like a Rashad Evans black belt.

02:58:07.000 Rashad's not going to submit you off his back, but his knowledge and his defense is insane.

02:58:12.000 It's just different.

02:58:13.000 He doesn't have the attacks.

02:58:14.000 What's going on with Rashad?

02:58:15.000 What happened after that Tim Kennedy fight?

02:58:17.000 They pulled him out of the Tim Kennedy fight.

02:58:18.000 They pulled him out, and then he was supposed to fight again, right?

02:58:21.000 They pulled him out again.

02:58:22.000 I don't know.

02:58:22.000 They tried to fight Kennedy again, but this time in Toronto, and Toronto pulled him out too.

02:58:26.000 I know.

02:58:26.000 So New York City pulled him out, and then Toronto pulled him out.

02:58:29.000 And he says it's a pre-existing condition.

02:58:32.000 He said it's something he's always had.

02:58:34.000 But who knows, man?

02:58:35.000 I don't want to hear that.

02:58:36.000 What do you think about that Kevin Gastelum fight?

02:58:38.000 Good Lord!

02:58:39.000 Jesus, right?

02:58:40.000 Against Vitor?

02:58:41.000 No, no, no.

02:58:42.000 Against Tim Kennedy, first of all.

02:58:44.000 Oh, yeah.

02:58:44.000 That's another example of a guy who wasn't cutting any weight and looked fucking amazing.

02:58:48.000 But then he wants to go back.

02:58:49.000 Talk to your boy.

02:58:50.000 Why does he want to go back down to 70?

02:58:52.000 Because those guys have to cut weight.

02:58:53.000 Those guys are cutting weight and getting down to 185, and they're gigantic.

02:58:57.000 Guys like Hector Lombard, he doesn't want to have to fight one of those guys.

02:59:00.000 Okay, but you've got to make weight at 70, son.

02:59:02.000 I understand what you're saying, and I think there's a middle ground there.

02:59:05.000 I think 70 is too hard.

02:59:06.000 He's made 170 many times.

02:59:08.000 He's missed it, too.

02:59:09.000 But this last time, he says he was on this new dietician's regimen, and it didn't work out.

02:59:18.000 Did he have Dolce originally?

02:59:21.000 Yes, I think so.

02:59:22.000 Did he just not want to pay the money?

02:59:24.000 I don't know exactly what went down between them.

02:59:27.000 He's just got to be personally more disciplined.

02:59:29.000 If he's just personally more disciplined with his diet...

02:59:31.000 It's on him.

02:59:31.000 Yeah.

02:59:32.000 It doesn't matter if the dietician...

02:59:33.000 You know.

02:59:34.000 Especially him cutting weight.

02:59:35.000 He's been doing it for so long.

02:59:36.000 You know.

02:59:36.000 Come on.

02:59:37.000 Let me ask you this.

02:59:37.000 He's a fucking animal though, man.

02:59:39.000 He's an animal.

02:59:39.000 Oh, fuck shit.

02:59:40.000 Make no exception.

02:59:41.000 I wouldn't mind seeing him at 185. I think 185. That's what I'm saying.

02:59:44.000 I think he's fine there, but...

02:59:45.000 He's fighting Vitor Belfort next to 85. Yes, he's going to fight Vitor Belfort at 85. At 85. Yo, dude.

02:59:49.000 That's a rumble.

02:59:50.000 Yeah.

02:59:51.000 It's in Brazil.

02:59:52.000 Oh.

02:59:53.000 Yeah.

02:59:53.000 What does that mean exactly?

02:59:55.000 What are you trying to say?

02:59:56.000 You're a scout, you don't know.

02:59:57.000 What does that mean?

02:59:58.000 Vitor and Brazil is a different animal.

03:00:00.000 Is it?

03:00:00.000 For sure.

03:00:01.000 What are you trying to say?

03:00:01.000 Why isn't there no USADA there?

03:00:03.000 What are you trying to say?

03:00:05.000 What are you trying to say, Brendan?

03:00:06.000 I'm not saying anything.

03:00:08.000 I'm saying there's something in the acai down there.

03:00:10.000 This is a last chance for romance for Vitor, too.

03:00:13.000 It's the perfect fight for Kelvin.

03:00:14.000 The perfect fight.

03:00:15.000 Huge name.

03:00:16.000 Musashi put the mitts to him.

03:00:18.000 Musashi put the mitts to Vitor.

03:00:19.000 And I think Kelvin is a better mover than Musashi.

03:00:23.000 Musashi has more weapons.

03:00:24.000 Like, Musashi's a way better kicker.

03:00:26.000 But what Kelvin does, man, with his footwork and that, like, real light on his feet, moving in with that right hand jab.

03:00:33.000 Rafael Cordero has got, I mean, His striking looks super professional.

03:00:38.000 So good.

03:00:39.000 And ridiculous combinations and speed and fluidity.

03:00:42.000 And he keeps going forward.

03:00:44.000 He keeps going forward.

03:00:46.000 He's so game.

03:00:46.000 Gas tank.

03:00:47.000 Gas tank's retarded.

03:00:49.000 It's just so good.

03:00:50.000 He's so strong.

03:00:51.000 Zero fear.

03:00:51.000 Zero fear, great chin.

03:00:53.000 His demeanor's insane, yes.

03:00:54.000 And, you know, was real comfortable when Tim was mauling him.

03:00:57.000 Like, Tim got a hold of him early in that first round and really put out a lot of effort.

03:01:01.000 Put the seatbelt, got his back, really was mauling him with size and power, but Tim gassed himself out doing that.

03:01:08.000 Tim looked terrible in that fight.

03:01:09.000 I love Tim more than anyone in this world.

03:01:11.000 What about me?

03:01:12.000 You love him more than me?

03:01:13.000 It's a toss-up.

03:01:14.000 He fights for my freedom.

03:01:15.000 He fights for my freedom.

03:01:17.000 Interesting.

03:01:18.000 But Tim looked rough in that fight.

03:01:21.000 It was a terrible performance for him, but nobody fucking handled himself better after a loss than that guy.

03:01:27.000 What did he say?

03:01:28.000 Fucking owns up to it.

03:01:29.000 The guy kicked my ass.

03:01:30.000 He's a better fighter than me.

03:01:31.000 It was very embarrassing.

03:01:31.000 He post-pictured him going to the hospital.

03:01:33.000 Well, that sucked.

03:01:34.000 Yeah, his face totally jacked.

03:01:37.000 It's Tim Kennedy.

03:01:37.000 Took a picture of himself jacked in the hospital.

03:01:39.000 Yeah.

03:01:40.000 That guy's so insanely jacked.

03:01:41.000 That's a great outlook on losses.

03:01:44.000 Losses are, ooh, when you're in someone's corner and you're dealing with someone, man, it's hard to...

03:01:50.000 All you can say is like...

03:01:51.000 There's not much.

03:01:52.000 All you can say is...

03:01:53.000 You can't win them all, bro.

03:01:54.000 You got caught.

03:01:55.000 Anybody can get caught.

03:01:56.000 So there's a difference between what we're saying.

03:01:59.000 A guy like Tim Kennedy took that loss and how hard Ronda took her loss to Holly Holm.

03:02:04.000 There's a giant difference.

03:02:06.000 Complete opposite.

03:02:07.000 And that's the business of being a fighter.

03:02:09.000 This game's easy when you're murking everyone.

03:02:12.000 Every media outlet's telling you how good you are, like, yeah, this is fucking great.

03:02:15.000 Then you take one on the chin, you lose.

03:02:17.000 Most fighters come back and go, all right, I got murked, but watch this fight.

03:02:21.000 You'll see what's up.

03:02:22.000 I'm a real fighter.

03:02:23.000 That's why Tim or Kelvin's had his losses, everyone.

03:02:27.000 Matt Brown.

03:02:28.000 And even Connor.

03:02:29.000 He came back.

03:02:30.000 He was already talking shit after that fight.

03:02:32.000 He was like, fuck it, I fucked up, but I'll be back.

03:02:34.000 Took it like a man.

03:02:35.000 And didn't talk about a staph infection, by the way.

03:02:37.000 A lot of people only found out about a staph infection because of my fucking big mouth.

03:02:41.000 But he had a staph infection two weeks out of that first Nate Diaz fight.

03:02:44.000 He was taking antibiotics.

03:02:46.000 That's the word.

03:02:47.000 I don't think it's bullshit.

03:02:48.000 I haven't heard it directly from his mouth, but I heard it from very reliable sources.

03:02:51.000 Do you hear what his camp is doing?

03:02:52.000 What are they doing?

03:02:53.000 His coach is requiring every fighter on his team to have their brains scanned.

03:02:58.000 Fuck yeah, Jon Cavanaugh.

03:02:59.000 Fuck yeah.

03:03:00.000 Right?

03:03:00.000 Powerful move.

03:03:01.000 Smart guy, man.

03:03:02.000 He's on the ball.

03:03:02.000 Everyone else will follow that.

03:03:03.000 Fuck yeah.

03:03:04.000 This is a crazy sport.

03:03:06.000 No one wants to tell people when they can and can't do it, but someone should be watching out for them because that fucking same ego that makes you want to be a champion...

03:03:15.000 Can also get you real confused as to when you're physically compromised, which brings us to the fight that was pulled off this card, Cain Velasquez versus Fabrizio Verdum, the rematch, which everybody was looking forward to.

03:03:27.000 And Cain did that meeting with that, uh, whatever that...

03:03:32.000 MMA Association.

03:03:33.000 Yes, the Fighters Association, and said that he's going to have to have a surgery after this fight.

03:03:38.000 And they went, eh, what?

03:03:40.000 Why would you do that?

03:03:42.000 He fucked up.

03:03:43.000 You can't say you need a surgery before you have a major fight.

03:03:47.000 First of all, that's going to fuck with the betting lines.

03:03:50.000 There's a disaster there.

03:03:51.000 That's going to fuck with the insurance if something happens to you, and then afterwards they say, oh, you know, you told us that you were already hurt.

03:03:59.000 We're not paying for this.

03:04:00.000 Like, do you get paid for, like, when you're in training camp and you get to a fight and you have to pull out because of injury, you don't get nothing, right?

03:04:09.000 What do you get?

03:04:11.000 Nothing.

03:04:12.000 Nothing.

03:04:12.000 So he got nothing.

03:04:13.000 So if he chose to fight with that injury, he said he was going to be 100%, he was going to have a cortisone injection, and the doctors disagreed.

03:04:19.000 The Nevada State Athletic Commission disagreed.

03:04:21.000 That Bob Bennett guy, he doesn't fucking play any games, man.

03:04:24.000 He's like, you can't say something like that.

03:04:26.000 Kane's been in the business too long to do that.

03:04:28.000 He fucked up.

03:04:29.000 He fucked up.

03:04:30.000 I think he's just emotional.

03:04:31.000 When I called Lineker a little monkey earlier, I fucked up.

03:04:34.000 See?

03:04:34.000 Cain fucked up.

03:04:35.000 You just talk.

03:04:36.000 You say things.

03:04:36.000 You know?

03:04:37.000 I was going to say, well, that's kind of racist.

03:04:39.000 Well, I call myself a monkey, though.

03:04:41.000 It sounds worse than it really is.

03:04:43.000 It's not racist.

03:04:44.000 I'm the last person racist.

03:04:46.000 But the point is, when it comes to Cain, is that it was a giant error.

03:04:50.000 And that error pulled him off of this card.

03:04:51.000 And now he's going to have to fight.

03:04:54.000 He's going to have to get surgery.

03:04:55.000 And then he's going to have to fight whoever the fuck is left.

03:04:57.000 And you're talking about more months out and then even more examination next time.

03:05:01.000 And it's going to cost him a shitload of money.

03:05:03.000 A ton of money.

03:05:04.000 He went through the entire camp.

03:05:05.000 He was a week out.

03:05:06.000 And they pull him from it.

03:05:07.000 And then he was saying, I don't know what this is about.

03:05:09.000 I'm 100% good to go.

03:05:11.000 I've been told I've been cleared.

03:05:12.000 So he was tweeting that he had been told that he was cleared right before they pull him.

03:05:16.000 I thought...

03:05:18.000 I think you give the guy a physical examination in terms of his movement.

03:05:21.000 What can you do?

03:05:22.000 How do you tell a guy?

03:05:24.000 Business-wise, you can't.

03:05:25.000 Something in his back.

03:05:26.000 In his back or neck.

03:05:27.000 But business-wise, you can't.

03:05:28.000 Because the UFC goes, man, you have a bulging disc.

03:05:31.000 All right, you get a core zone shot.

03:05:32.000 And then if you get punched in the face by Verduma, he gets a guillotine and you're paralyzed.

03:05:36.000 You shoot the fuck out of us.

03:05:37.000 It's true.

03:05:38.000 Business, you just can't do that.

03:05:39.000 No denying.

03:05:40.000 I don't think it falls on...

03:05:42.000 Kane knows better...

03:05:44.000 The people around this association shouldn't have let him do that.

03:05:47.000 Well, first of all, they should have known about...

03:05:49.000 The Bjorn Rebny thing is very weird.

03:05:51.000 I was reading what John Fitch had written.

03:05:54.000 John Fitch, rather, in an interview, said that he was very disturbed by all this because there's a class-action lawsuit, and what they're saying is that if the class-action lawsuit is dropped...

03:06:05.000 They could form this union, and if they all agreed to abandon the class action lawsuit, it would help the strength and form the union.

03:06:16.000 And John Fitch was like, what?

03:06:17.000 So you're saying that the UFC would accept you as a union if you abandon the class action lawsuit that we've been chasing down for two years?

03:06:25.000 Now, without picking any sides...

03:06:27.000 If you're on the side of the fighters, not picking any sides, you just have to look at that and go, well, what benefit would it be for the people that are not in this to accept that the class action lawsuit is dropped?

03:06:37.000 This all sounds like someone's trying to get some money.

03:06:40.000 Correct.

03:06:40.000 No one's doing this for free.

03:06:42.000 That's what everybody has to realize when it comes to these agencies.

03:06:45.000 There's three different competing ones that are stepping in, right?

03:06:48.000 One suing the other.

03:06:49.000 The two big ones, there's the association and there's the union.

03:06:53.000 Yeah.

03:06:53.000 Well, ultimately, I think we all want the same thing.

03:06:56.000 We all want fighters to be compensated fairly, want them to make a lot of money because it's a short window of time and it's an awesome sport to watch, right?

03:07:03.000 Correct.

03:07:04.000 So you gotta wonder, does this help that?

03:07:07.000 Does this help them?

03:07:08.000 Do any of these organizations...

03:07:10.000 They haven't yet because if they can't even get together and organize and they're gonna fight, then no one's gonna take you serious.

03:07:17.000 There's three different leaders, three different ones.

03:07:19.000 And they all want different things, and then you gotta wonder whose agenda's over here, whose agenda's over here.

03:07:24.000 It can't come from a businessman.

03:07:27.000 It can't come from another promoter.

03:07:28.000 It has to come from the fighters.

03:07:30.000 The fighters, you know what I'm saying?

03:07:32.000 And I'm not saying current fighters, because they need to fight.

03:07:34.000 And they need to have someone speak for them who's been there.

03:07:38.000 But you can't have these business guys with other hidden agendas trying to get things done.

03:07:42.000 Or in Bjorn's case, he has this weird jealousy with Dana and wants to see him destroyed.

03:07:48.000 Well, we can't have that.

03:07:49.000 Why are you speaking for us?

03:07:51.000 What are you doing?

03:07:52.000 You don't have the respect of the fighters.

03:07:53.000 What the fuck are you doing?

03:07:54.000 And notice, he's taking a seat back.

03:07:56.000 Because when everyone saw him speaking, they're like, we're out, man.

03:07:59.000 Yeah, well, he was going old-school Bellator when he was running things over there, and King Mo was pissed off at him.

03:08:06.000 And King Mo, to this day, calls him a dick rider all the time.

03:08:10.000 It's not good when you've got a guy like King Mo, a very respected guy who has horrible things to say about you.

03:08:15.000 And I talked to the association, and I went, what are you guys doing?

03:08:18.000 Like, you have one way to make an impression, and you put your best foot forward with this guy?

03:08:24.000 I don't know the dude.

03:08:25.000 Do you know him?

03:08:26.000 I know of fighters who have dealt with him.

03:08:29.000 I never fought for Bellator.

03:08:31.000 So I know inside the fighter circle that people have dealt with him for managing stuff like that.

03:08:36.000 But I don't know him personally.

03:08:37.000 I was looking at all the tweets and all the negative stuff.

03:08:39.000 I think you can take a very positive angle about improving the life and the conditions of these fighters without attacking people.

03:08:47.000 Yeah, there's no reason to attack.

03:08:48.000 And it's also, say what you want about Dana White.

03:08:50.000 It's not his job to make sure you guys get your shit together and form an association.

03:08:54.000 He's like, I'm a businessman.

03:08:56.000 I put on fights.

03:08:57.000 If you guys want to do that, cool, get your shit together and then let's figure something out.

03:09:01.000 But if you guys are fighting with each other, we can't acknowledge it.

03:09:04.000 You know what else is interesting about this $4 billion that they had to pay to buy the UFC? A lot of debt.

03:09:11.000 I wonder, how do you...

03:09:13.000 I don't understand business.

03:09:14.000 I'm a dummy.

03:09:15.000 I don't have any business background.

03:09:17.000 But how much money do you have to make to pay off $4 billion?

03:09:21.000 If you buy a house and your house is like $3 million, damn, you're looking at some daunting 30-year payments.

03:09:28.000 Now imagine a thousand times that plus a billion.

03:09:35.000 Because that's what it is.

03:09:37.000 That's a thousand million.

03:09:40.000 That's what a billion is.

03:09:41.000 And that's why they're going and doing these budget cuts saying, how can we save money here and how can we grow it?

03:09:45.000 So then you see, all of a sudden you see the women's 140 pound division.

03:09:49.000 You're seeing these interim belts.

03:09:52.000 You're seeing ways to make up the money.

03:09:55.000 Well, that's a really sad thing about the Cyborg thing, because Cyborg is extremely marketable at 145 pounds.

03:10:01.000 And they made the division for her!

03:10:03.000 Yeah, they made the division for her, and not just marketable, but very controversial.

03:10:07.000 Very controversial.

03:10:08.000 I mean, she's scary.

03:10:10.000 She mercs women.

03:10:11.000 She goes after them and takes them down and destroys them.

03:10:13.000 How old is she?

03:10:14.000 She smashes people.

03:10:14.000 She's in her 30s.

03:10:15.000 I think she's 34, 35. Is she that old?

03:10:18.000 I think so.

03:10:19.000 Pull up.

03:10:20.000 31?

03:10:21.000 32?

03:10:22.000 31. 31. Okay, I'm wrong.

03:10:24.000 So 31 is in her prime, you know, it's in her prime.

03:10:28.000 And for her to be the champion at 145?

03:10:30.000 She could be back, but the problem is she's gonna be under even more scrutiny.

03:10:34.000 She's so fucked, man.

03:10:35.000 And there's never been someone who...

03:10:37.000 They need to pass the test so bad in their life than her because the number one knock on her was you've tested positive before.

03:10:43.000 That's the only reason why you're competing.

03:10:44.000 That's why you're knocking people out.

03:10:45.000 And even I fell off that train and was like, no, she's so skilled.

03:10:48.000 She deserves it.

03:10:49.000 Put marking dollars behind her.

03:10:50.000 They're like, fine, cool.

03:10:51.000 Here's your division.

03:10:52.000 Boom.

03:10:53.000 Test positive.

03:10:53.000 But put yourself in...

03:10:55.000 Is it possible that she really did deal with some crazy weight-cutting backlash where her body's just like fucked up and it's retaining water in some weird way and her hormones are all fucked up because she got on the birth control pill?

03:11:08.000 I believe that.

03:11:09.000 It's possible that a doctor did prescribe her this to try to mitigate that, and then the doctor told her that you could take this out of competition, you can't take it in competition.

03:11:16.000 Because it is a diuretic, right?

03:11:18.000 Yeah.

03:11:19.000 So a diuretic, if you are swollen, all those things do seem to make sense.

03:11:23.000 I mean, just trying to be, I don't want to see any skeptical hippo face.

03:11:28.000 I'm with you on this, Joe.

03:11:29.000 I actually believe her story.

03:11:32.000 Have you seen Skeptical Snake?

03:11:34.000 Yeah, I sent Skeptical.

03:11:36.000 I blew up Skeptical Snake.

03:11:38.000 Someone sent me that one.

03:11:39.000 I have to post this.

03:11:40.000 Where did you find it?

03:11:41.000 And the guy goes, just for you, Sean.

03:11:43.000 I blew up Skeptical Snake.

03:11:45.000 I see your Skeptical Hippo and I raise you a super Skeptical Snake.

03:11:49.000 This fucking snake is...

03:11:50.000 I might have seen it on your Instagram.

03:11:51.000 So skeptical.

03:11:53.000 Have you seen it, Eddie?

03:11:55.000 No.

03:11:56.000 This should be your mascot.

03:11:59.000 Whenever you watch CNN, this should pop up.

03:12:02.000 Fake news!

03:12:03.000 This is a new meme!

03:12:04.000 This is a new meme!

03:12:06.000 Look at this!

03:12:06.000 That motherfucker's so skeptical!

03:12:08.000 He's like...

03:12:08.000 Fake news, son.

03:12:11.000 I don't know.

03:12:12.000 Pizza game?

03:12:13.000 I don't think so.

03:12:13.000 There needs to be a fake MMA news site.

03:12:18.000 Look at this fucking...

03:12:20.000 Oh, look what you wrote.

03:12:21.000 Look what you wrote.

03:12:21.000 Pull it aside.

03:12:22.000 My face when I watch a UFC promo these days.

03:12:24.000 I see you're skeptical and raise you a super skeptical snake.

03:12:27.000 That's exactly where I heard about it from.

03:12:29.000 That's because they're not showing Amanda Nunes.

03:12:33.000 It is kind of fucked up.

03:12:34.000 But it's also, you know, like someone pointed out, like when you're watching these promos, they're movies now.

03:12:38.000 It's like this little film.

03:12:40.000 It's not like training footage, people talking about it, like this really slickly produced movie thing.

03:12:45.000 Her story's fucking great!

03:12:47.000 Oh, Amanda Nunes' story's great.

03:12:49.000 First openly gay world champion.

03:12:52.000 Freaking Brazilian.

03:12:53.000 I mean, knockout on us.

03:12:55.000 Highlight reel.

03:12:55.000 Highlight reels.

03:12:56.000 Yeah, smashes girls.

03:12:57.000 Not a fucking word.

03:12:58.000 Like she's the devil.

03:13:00.000 Weird.

03:13:00.000 And then they don't show any ironic KOs.

03:13:02.000 It's like men in black where they just want to use it and erase that from your memory.

03:13:07.000 They don't show any of that.

03:13:08.000 Plenty of that video going around on its own.

03:13:10.000 Everybody knows what happened.

03:13:11.000 It's not something you need to discuss.

03:13:13.000 I think they could have done it in that video and then shown the workout to the return, and it might be even more dramatic.

03:13:19.000 Showing her crying, showing her building back up, picking up the pieces again.

03:13:23.000 I mean, if you wanted to go deep, that's going to be in the movie, right?

03:13:27.000 If you have a Ronda Rousey life story movie, that's got to be in the movie.

03:13:30.000 Of course.

03:13:31.000 100%.

03:13:32.000 If she comes back and wins, that's exactly what you're going to see.

03:13:35.000 You're going to see all the pain.

03:13:37.000 Ronda Rousey today, right now, I mean...

03:13:40.000 She is who she is right now.

03:13:42.000 What's going on right now is because what happened with Holly Holm.

03:13:45.000 You know, this is her comeback.

03:13:46.000 This is it.

03:13:47.000 Can she pull off the comeback?

03:13:49.000 I mean...

03:13:49.000 But the only reason...

03:13:50.000 A comeback against who?

03:13:52.000 Like I said, the average fan's going, comeback against who?

03:13:54.000 She's been the favorite in every fight she's ever been in.

03:13:56.000 You mean they've had a complete blackout of Amanda Nunes?

03:13:59.000 Like, they haven't showed shit at all.

03:14:00.000 Just a complete blackout?

03:14:01.000 There's very little footage that they're showing in these promos.

03:14:04.000 Maybe you're just missing...

03:14:05.000 Maybe you're just missing...

03:14:06.000 Stop watching boxing and put it back on fucking...

03:14:08.000 Yeah, because I don't see enough UFC... FS1. You got it over there on Boxing Network.

03:14:13.000 Even Joe tweeted about it.

03:14:15.000 No, I tweeted it while I was watching it at home.

03:14:18.000 I was actually in the hotel room.

03:14:20.000 I was watching that UFC on Fox where Michelle Waterson beat Paige Van Zandt, and I was watching, and I'm like, this is so bizarre.

03:14:27.000 They're not showing the champion.

03:14:29.000 They're showing this giant promo, and it's all Ronda, which makes some sense because Ronda's huge.

03:14:34.000 That's what sells tickets.

03:14:35.000 You want to let everybody know that she's coming back, but don't you want to let everybody know that she's coming back against a killer?

03:14:40.000 Don't you want everybody to know that she's coming back to fight the champion?

03:14:43.000 But Joe, just from a business aspect, in some weird world in MMA, what if Amanda Nunes mercs her in the first round?

03:14:50.000 There she is, look.

03:14:50.000 No one knows her.

03:14:51.000 Yeah, this is one of them.

03:14:52.000 One of them you see in her face.

03:14:53.000 She's right there.

03:14:54.000 This is a great shot.

03:14:54.000 Yeah, you just see her face.

03:14:55.000 But like most of the piece is about Ronda.

03:14:57.000 But there's a few of these, right?

03:14:58.000 There's a few different ones.

03:14:59.000 Do you know what I'm saying, Joe?

03:15:01.000 What happens if she mercs Ronda?

03:15:02.000 Oh, look, see, they're showing her head kick.

03:15:03.000 They showed her head kick.

03:15:05.000 Oh, this is somebody else's trailer, bro.

03:15:07.000 This isn't UFC trailer stuff.

03:15:08.000 This is some fan-created shit.

03:15:10.000 I'll try to find the real one.

03:15:11.000 That's okay.

03:15:11.000 You don't have to.

03:15:12.000 It's a big deal.

03:15:12.000 Yeah, it's all good.

03:15:13.000 This is a lot longer than an actual promo, too.

03:15:15.000 Like, how long is that video right there?

03:15:17.000 That was two minutes.

03:15:18.000 Yeah.

03:15:18.000 Do you see what I'm saying, Joe?

03:15:19.000 What happens if some weird MMA world...

03:15:22.000 I mean, there's Merckxer.

03:15:23.000 I don't think that's weird at all.

03:15:24.000 And then we're going...

03:15:24.000 Do you think that's weird?

03:15:26.000 Not at all.

03:15:27.000 No, it's a real dangerous fight.

03:15:28.000 The UFC is acting like it.

03:15:29.000 They're putting all their chips in this basket where if Amanda Nunes does her thing and it happens, people are going, who the fuck just won?

03:15:36.000 But Ronda is a thousand times more popular than Amanda Nunes.

03:15:42.000 100%.

03:15:42.000 That's where the money's coming from.

03:15:44.000 Ronda, Ronda, Ronda.

03:15:44.000 Not if she loses again.

03:15:46.000 But hold on, you're already establishing that Ronda's fighting.

03:15:50.000 Would you want everybody to know she's fighting a killer?

03:15:52.000 Who's she fighting?

03:15:52.000 That's what we're tuning in for.

03:15:54.000 You want to see the matchup.

03:15:55.000 They're selling it as if the whole thing that you're seeing is her coming back.

03:16:00.000 Yeah.

03:16:01.000 But I'm saying in Business 101, what happens if that other person wins?

03:16:06.000 We don't know shit about her.

03:16:07.000 UFC Channel, this is it.

03:16:09.000 Yeah.

03:16:11.000 There's just not much of it.

03:16:14.000 If she wins, then they'll blow her up.

03:16:18.000 There's still time.

03:16:18.000 It's like, we have a deadline.

03:16:20.000 You only can fight Ronda Rousey once.

03:16:22.000 You get this one opportunity.

03:16:24.000 Maybe.

03:16:25.000 If Ronda gets more twice...

03:16:27.000 There's no room.

03:16:27.000 Who knows?

03:16:28.000 But at least, you know, that's the girl that beat a match.

03:16:30.000 She'll be just like Holly Holm, instantly huge on fucking Ellen and all that shit.

03:16:34.000 Holly's in an interesting place too, right?

03:16:36.000 Because she was instantly huge, and then she loses two in a row.

03:16:39.000 Two straight.

03:16:40.000 Yeah, and she loses two to like two completely different styles.

03:16:43.000 She gets choked out by Misha against a better grappler, and then she gets checked a lot by Valentina Shevchenko.

03:16:50.000 I would like to see that promo if it's possible, Jamie.

03:16:54.000 The UFC one on the UFC YouTube.

03:16:56.000 I know it's YouTube, but there's no library.

03:16:59.000 It's not real, bro.

03:16:59.000 It's not real.

03:17:00.000 There's no library.

03:17:00.000 It's on YouTube.

03:17:01.000 So here's her, like, in the top of her fame.

03:17:03.000 Where do you get your promos from?

03:17:04.000 Barn-barring people.

03:17:05.000 YouTube?

03:17:06.000 You get them from CNN. We all know that.

03:17:08.000 Smashing people.

03:17:10.000 So this is, uh, is this the same one?

03:17:12.000 That's a cartoon.

03:17:12.000 Or is this a different one?

03:17:13.000 This is the Holly fight.

03:17:14.000 Okay, here's Holly.

03:17:14.000 So this is gonna show it.

03:17:16.000 This one came out at the end of November.

03:17:17.000 What happened there?

03:17:18.000 They don't show it.

03:17:18.000 Oh, they don't show it.

03:17:20.000 They cut it.

03:17:21.000 Oh, they go black, and then you see Holly winning.

03:17:23.000 Wow.

03:17:23.000 You see what she- Look at my skeptical snake.

03:17:26.000 Wow, you gotta, like, go down more.

03:17:28.000 Your face has to be down more.

03:17:30.000 And he's all pointy.

03:17:31.000 Actually, like, you see he's up, right?

03:17:32.000 Oh, that's the progression of the belt.

03:17:33.000 Because you see the bottom of his mouth.

03:17:34.000 You see the progression of the belt.

03:17:35.000 You see the progression of the belt, but you don't see her getting head kicked.

03:17:38.000 That's crazy.

03:17:40.000 Why would you not show the highlight?

03:17:42.000 Wow.

03:17:42.000 Well, what you're doing is you're showing preferential treatment for one athlete without a doubt.

03:17:46.000 And the idea is that the ability and the fame that she's reached, you show preferential treatment because she's different.

03:17:54.000 She's special.

03:17:55.000 She's different.

03:17:55.000 I agree.

03:17:56.000 She's a massive star.

03:17:58.000 She is a massive star.

03:17:59.000 That's the girl that's going to put the asses in the seats right there.

03:18:02.000 Man, this is crazy.

03:18:03.000 She's not bigger than Connor, though.

03:18:05.000 I think you're right.

03:18:06.000 But as far as women go, she's the Conor of the women's division.

03:18:09.000 I'm talking about fighters.

03:18:10.000 Oh, yeah.

03:18:10.000 The women's division is not even close.

03:18:12.000 No, not even close.

03:18:13.000 There's no one like her.

03:18:14.000 But just because Conor sells more tickets doesn't mean she's...

03:18:17.000 They have multiple stars.

03:18:19.000 Multiple elite stars.

03:18:20.000 And here you see Amanda doing some workouts.

03:18:24.000 You know, just lifting some weights.

03:18:26.000 Her girlfriend's a straw weight in the UFC. Is she?

03:18:29.000 Yeah.

03:18:31.000 World Bantamweight Champion, Amanda Nunes.

03:18:32.000 Now you see some highlights.

03:18:34.000 So this one is showing more.

03:18:35.000 So this is a different one than the one where they roll up the garage door and you see her hitting the pads.

03:18:42.000 And that's it.

03:18:45.000 Looks good though.

03:18:46.000 Looks good doing that.

03:18:47.000 Very interesting, man.

03:18:48.000 Very interesting.

03:18:50.000 Who the fuck knows?

03:18:52.000 Who the fuck knows?

03:18:53.000 I just know you're going to be watching.

03:18:55.000 Everyone's going to be watching.

03:18:56.000 Yeah, it's going to be crazy, man.

03:18:58.000 It's going to be nuts.

03:18:59.000 It's going to be crazy.

03:19:02.000 I think you would be surprised by the ratings.

03:19:04.000 You don't think anybody's watching?

03:19:06.000 No, I'm not saying that.

03:19:07.000 Somebody's a hater.

03:19:08.000 No, no, no.

03:19:10.000 Look at that!

03:19:15.000 I'm not a hater.

03:19:16.000 I'm hating on the promotional game plan.

03:19:19.000 I understand what you're saying.

03:19:21.000 I don't think you're going to see the same numbers of a Conor fight or something.

03:19:24.000 Is there any other big fights that are coming up?

03:19:26.000 That we should be aware of?

03:19:27.000 Any other big fights?

03:19:28.000 What else is happening on the future?

03:19:31.000 What do you think about Tony Khabib?

03:19:32.000 Is that going to happen?

03:19:33.000 It's not happening.

03:19:33.000 It's not signed.

03:19:34.000 It's not happening.

03:19:34.000 They're talking about for the interim title.

03:19:36.000 I mean, that could easily happen.

03:19:36.000 That could easily happen.

03:19:38.000 But here's my question.

03:19:39.000 How the fuck do you have an interim champion that quick?

03:19:42.000 What's going on with that?

03:19:44.000 That's what gets people to tune in, is belts.

03:19:48.000 Okay.

03:19:48.000 And so, because of the fact that you're guaranteeing...

03:19:52.000 Well, also, if you have Habib fight Conor in Russia, and Habib has the belt, Jesus Christ.

03:20:01.000 We need a Russian destroyer in the mix.

03:20:03.000 Well, he is a Russian destroyer.

03:20:05.000 He's the only one.

03:20:06.000 He's the guy.

03:20:07.000 He is it.

03:20:08.000 He's undefeated.

03:20:08.000 He's a smasher.

03:20:09.000 But what a big opportunity for Tony.

03:20:12.000 If Tony Ferguson could steal that thunder.

03:20:13.000 And if you see when Michael Johnson clipped him and hurt him.

03:20:16.000 That was the first time we ever saw him hurt.

03:20:18.000 But Michael Johnson just does not have the same grappling ability that Tony Ferguson has.

03:20:22.000 No, not even close.

03:20:23.000 It's a different animal.

03:20:24.000 And also, Tony Ferguson is a different kind of striker, too.

03:20:27.000 He's much more awkward, and his movement is real hard to time.

03:20:33.000 Well, they're both real good.

03:20:34.000 Michael Johnson's a very good striker.

03:20:35.000 Remember when he knocked out Dustin Poirier?

03:20:37.000 They're both real good.

03:20:39.000 But the big difference is the amount of grappling ability.

03:20:42.000 Tony's grappling ability is way higher.

03:20:44.000 Did you see Tony's tweet?

03:20:45.000 What did he say?

03:20:46.000 He goes, I'm down to accept the fight.

03:20:48.000 He goes, obviously, Khabib, you...

03:20:49.000 Because Khabib called him out.

03:20:50.000 He goes, where's the fight?

03:20:52.000 And Tony said, dude, you made your deal and you're making bank.

03:20:55.000 I'm not scared of anyone.

03:20:56.000 I just want to get paid what I'm worth, man.

03:20:58.000 I'm down to take the fight, but I need to renegotiate my contract.

03:21:02.000 Interesting.

03:21:02.000 You know what Tony said in between round one and round two?

03:21:05.000 You know, he lost that first round.

03:21:07.000 Rafael dos Anjos, he landed some good shots.

03:21:10.000 And, you know, we ran into the cage.

03:21:13.000 And...

03:21:14.000 You don't know exactly what's going on through his head.

03:21:17.000 And his striking coach, Anthony, is telling him some shit.

03:21:20.000 And before I got to say anything, he looks at me and goes, Coach, I'm going to break his leg.

03:21:24.000 I'm going to kick the inside of it.

03:21:26.000 You know when he started kicking the inside of it?

03:21:28.000 I'm like, okay, perfect.

03:21:30.000 That's what I want to hear.

03:21:30.000 He's like, he's such a barbarian.

03:21:33.000 That's what he had to say, is I'm going to break his leg.

03:21:35.000 He's a monster.

03:21:36.000 Do you see Khabib looking at Dana, murking that dude, going, oh, Michael Johnson, going, Give me a title shot, man.

03:21:44.000 Just whooping his ass.

03:21:45.000 It's going to look different on the ground.

03:21:46.000 It'll look different on the ground.

03:21:49.000 Khabib, make no mistake about it, is a fucking bear on the ground.

03:21:53.000 Scary guy on the ground.

03:21:53.000 Excellent grappler.

03:21:54.000 But Michael Johnson was making a lot of key errors on the ground in arm positioning.

03:22:00.000 Not a good guy.

03:22:01.000 He was giving him that crucifix.

03:22:04.000 That crucifix he was giving it to.

03:22:05.000 He was hurt.

03:22:06.000 Did you see Khabib versus Dos Anjos, though?

03:22:09.000 Dos Anjos is a legit black belt.

03:22:10.000 He mauled him.

03:22:12.000 I gotta see that again.

03:22:14.000 Mawled him.

03:22:14.000 Mawled him on the ground.

03:22:15.000 Mawled him in a weird way, where you're watching him just smush a guy who's a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt like he's handling a blue belt or a purple belt.

03:22:23.000 I gotta see that one again.

03:22:24.000 Tossing around like fucking...

03:22:25.000 I think his grappling is as good as I've ever seen inside the Octagon.

03:22:28.000 He might not be the same submission stylist that a Damien Maia is, but his pure ability to control guys, take them down, grapple them, and maul them is unprecedented.

03:22:36.000 His MMA grappling, I agree.

03:22:38.000 Look at this.

03:22:38.000 When he gets a hold of you, it's so fucking undeniable.

03:22:42.000 Like, this kind of shit.

03:22:43.000 Like, he gets a hold of you, bear hugs you, and just like, bitch, you're going down.

03:22:47.000 You are going to the fucking ground.

03:22:49.000 And he holds you there, and he beats the fuck out of you when he has you there.

03:22:52.000 His pressure is insane.

03:22:54.000 Insane.

03:22:54.000 And his positioning is insane.

03:22:56.000 His positioning, his pressure, his strength, his technique.

03:22:58.000 He's like Damien Maia.

03:23:00.000 Very similar.

03:23:00.000 Without the submissions.

03:23:01.000 Without the submissions.

03:23:03.000 Ground and pound Damien Maia.

03:23:05.000 Great control.

03:23:05.000 But better takedowns.

03:23:06.000 Better takedowns.

03:23:07.000 Way better.

03:23:08.000 Damien Maia's taking everyone down at 170. He's very good.

03:23:11.000 Wrestlers and everything.

03:23:12.000 John Fitch, everybody.

03:23:13.000 No doubt about it.

03:23:13.000 But you've got to give the edge.

03:23:15.000 And the takedowns?

03:23:16.000 Yeah.

03:23:16.000 I think?

03:23:17.000 Yeah, I think so.

03:23:18.000 I give the extra Nurmagomedov over everybody.

03:23:20.000 Except Ben Askren.

03:23:22.000 Ben Askren is like the only guy that you just go, okay, what the fuck?

03:23:25.000 That's a fun fight.

03:23:26.000 Oh!

03:23:27.000 Dude, Ben Askren, I feel like...

03:23:29.000 Ben's bigger, but...

03:23:30.000 Yeah, Ben is 170, of course.

03:23:33.000 But he probably could make 155. Who the fuck knows?

03:23:35.000 They could be...

03:23:36.000 They do a catchweight 160 super fight.

03:23:39.000 And one thing that Dos Anjos didn't have that Tony's going to bring into this is college wrestling.

03:23:44.000 Tony's a really good wrestler.

03:23:46.000 Yep, yep.

03:23:46.000 It's going to be a lot harder to take Tony down than it is Dos Anjos.

03:23:50.000 That's for sure.

03:23:50.000 Tony's just a different, he's like a harder mindset.

03:23:53.000 He's a scary fucking dude.

03:23:55.000 And more athletic.

03:23:56.000 Whether he wins or whether he loses, Tony is a scary fucking guy to be in there with.

03:24:01.000 Yeah.

03:24:01.000 Very scary.

03:24:02.000 Not that Dos Anjos isn't, but I think that Tony is like one notch scarier.

03:24:06.000 Remember, this is Dos Anjos in his prime, too, when he got mollywopped.

03:24:11.000 Yes, before his prime, honestly.

03:24:13.000 This was before he started making his real serious run.

03:24:16.000 He got mollywopped here, and then Habib got injured, and then Dos Anjos came back, and he also started working with Nick Kurson.

03:24:21.000 That was a big factor in his improvement, because his strength and conditioning got way better after this fight, because he realized, like, holy shit, I can't keep this fucking vanilla...

03:24:32.000 This beast yeti thing off me.

03:24:34.000 His pressure.

03:24:35.000 He's a fucking Russian destroyer, man.

03:24:38.000 These Dagestan people, man.

03:24:40.000 That part of the world is tough.

03:24:42.000 And those dudes are on another level when it comes to tenacity and aggression.

03:24:47.000 He's also been doing it since he was a kid, and he's a world champion sambo.

03:24:51.000 That and Russians aren't regular white people.

03:24:53.000 We've established that.

03:24:54.000 We're not built the same.

03:24:56.000 American white, Russian white, different.

03:24:58.000 Their genetics are fucking, those are powerful people, man.

03:25:02.000 And it's, I mean, you think about all the guys who came out of Russia that have been, like, ridiculous world champion caliber fighters.

03:25:10.000 Like Fedor.

03:25:10.000 It's their boxing system, too.

03:25:11.000 Remember Eeyore Wojciechkin?

03:25:13.000 Yes.

03:25:14.000 Jesus Christ!

03:25:16.000 Jesus Christ!

03:25:17.000 You remember when he fought Francisco Bueno?

03:25:20.000 Do you remember that fight?

03:25:21.000 I don't, but everybody was a straight fucking...

03:25:24.000 Dos Anjos is hanging in there with him for a while, but look at that.

03:25:26.000 Boom!

03:25:26.000 Look at that takedown.

03:25:27.000 Come on, son.

03:25:28.000 He's a monster.

03:25:30.000 You know there's video of him wrestling an actual bear?

03:25:32.000 Yeah, when he's a little kid.

03:25:34.000 Like grappling a bear at him.

03:25:35.000 Pull up Igor Vovchanchin Francisco Bueno, KO. Vovchanchin used to throw those casting punches, you know what I'm talking about?

03:25:43.000 Where he'd throw hammers.

03:25:45.000 He would throw like, he would whip them.

03:25:48.000 Igor Vovchanchin.

03:25:50.000 Just give it a chance.

03:25:53.000 Vovchanchin.

03:25:54.000 Do you know how to spell it, Eddie?

03:25:56.000 How do you?

03:25:57.000 Vovchanchin.

03:25:58.000 Vovchanchin.

03:25:59.000 C-H-A-N. There it is.

03:26:02.000 Just go with one of those.

03:26:03.000 Vovchanchin.

03:26:04.000 And then write MMA. Okay, there he is.

03:26:11.000 Vovchanchan versus Francisco Bueno.

03:26:15.000 Francisco Bueno.

03:26:19.000 It's one of the most vicious KOs ever.

03:26:22.000 Watch this shit.

03:26:22.000 You've never seen this before?

03:26:24.000 Vovchanchan was another guy who was maybe 5'8", 5'9", at the most, and was fighting heavyweights.

03:26:29.000 He looked like a guy who had longer arms, but they sawed the ends off.

03:26:34.000 Do you remember Igor Volchanchin?

03:26:36.000 Is he before your time?

03:26:37.000 Is he before your time?

03:26:39.000 He's before I got really into it for sure.

03:26:42.000 Dude, look at that.

03:26:43.000 He was an early Russian destroyer.

03:26:45.000 Oh, I know.

03:26:46.000 Powerful Russian dad bod, though.

03:26:48.000 Look at the size of his fucking thighs, dude.

03:26:50.000 Those were ridiculous thighs.

03:26:52.000 Like, his whole body was just like this compact...

03:26:58.000 Just explosive machine.

03:27:00.000 What do you think of Ryzen?

03:27:01.000 You think...

03:27:02.000 I love it.

03:27:03.000 We need more.

03:27:04.000 It's just like Pride, right?

03:27:06.000 Yeah, we need...

03:27:06.000 It's like Pride, right?

03:27:07.000 We need all that.

03:27:09.000 It's getting there.

03:27:09.000 We need a bunch of organizations like that to emerge.

03:27:11.000 Did you see Heath Haring's back?

03:27:13.000 Yeah, it's good.

03:27:14.000 He's filling in for Shane Conway.

03:27:15.000 I'm so sad that Shane's out, but I'm happy to see that Heath is doing it again.

03:27:18.000 I saw pictures of him with Roy at...

03:27:20.000 How old is Heath Haring?

03:27:21.000 40?

03:27:22.000 Probably.

03:27:23.000 He hasn't fought since Lesnar.

03:27:24.000 Remember when Lesnar like steamrolled him?

03:27:27.000 Knocked him over and knocked him around.

03:27:28.000 Ten years ago.

03:27:29.000 Yeah, that was his last fight.

03:27:30.000 Eight or ten years ago.

03:27:31.000 Ten years ago.

03:27:32.000 Long ass time.

03:27:33.000 Yeah.

03:27:34.000 And then you got Mirko Krokop versus Mo Lawal.

03:27:36.000 Who is Krohn fighting?

03:27:37.000 He's fighting in Ryzen, right?

03:27:38.000 Krohn is fighting Kawajiri.

03:27:40.000 Ooh.

03:27:41.000 That's a real fight right there.

03:27:43.000 That's a real fight.

03:27:44.000 Dangerous on his feet.

03:27:45.000 Kawajiri is a little old.

03:27:46.000 But still, MMA-wise, that's a first test for Krohn, for sure.

03:27:51.000 Yeah, we'll see.

03:27:52.000 Yeah, a real test, right?

03:27:53.000 Yeah.

03:27:54.000 That's a good fight.

03:27:54.000 Damn, son.

03:27:55.000 If you get his back, it's over, though.

03:27:56.000 So you know they're doing it.

03:27:57.000 The champion will be crowned.

03:27:58.000 They're doing those fights over three days.

03:28:01.000 So you win, you fight the next night.

03:28:02.000 That's so crazy.

03:28:03.000 Who's doing that?

03:28:04.000 Ryzen.

03:28:05.000 That's so crazy.

03:28:06.000 That's so crazy.

03:28:07.000 Wait, wait.

03:28:08.000 Heavyweight.

03:28:09.000 Who's in the tournament?

03:28:09.000 That's so crazy.

03:28:10.000 Mo Lawal, King Mo, that crazy dude, that Amir Alakabari.

03:28:15.000 Have you seen that guy?

03:28:17.000 Yes.

03:28:18.000 He's terrifying.

03:28:19.000 And then Keith Haring.

03:28:21.000 Yeah.

03:28:21.000 He's fighting at A.K.A., right?

03:28:23.000 He's training out of A.K.A.? Yeah, Thailand with Mike Swick.

03:28:26.000 Oh, is he?

03:28:26.000 They tagged me in a picture of him.

03:28:28.000 Him and that Hulk guy.

03:28:30.000 Remember the Hulk in the UFC, Simone Hulk?

03:28:32.000 Mm-hmm.

03:28:32.000 Soa Pulele?

03:28:33.000 Yes.

03:28:34.000 Soa and Pulele and Mike Swick are holding him back, and he's like, ah, they're about to unleash the beast.

03:28:40.000 Oh, God.

03:28:41.000 Jesus Christ.

03:28:42.000 This dude is scary.

03:28:43.000 I think Ryzen's awesome.

03:28:44.000 I think it's important.

03:28:45.000 There it is.

03:28:47.000 Jesus.

03:28:47.000 It's a big boy.

03:28:48.000 He looks like Gabriel Gonzaga and Shane Carwin had a kid.

03:28:51.000 Yeah, and redonkulous wrestling.

03:28:53.000 Just a big-ass, giant...

03:28:54.000 This is that guy.

03:28:54.000 I remember that.

03:28:55.000 He's been training for a while, right?

03:28:56.000 Yeah.

03:28:56.000 He's doing Ryzen.

03:28:57.000 He's in this tournament.

03:28:58.000 What's his name?

03:29:00.000 Amir.

03:29:00.000 Amir...

03:29:01.000 Ali...

03:29:02.000 Ali...

03:29:03.000 Ali...

03:29:04.000 Ali...

03:29:05.000 Ali...

03:29:06.000 Ali...

03:29:07.000 Ali...

03:29:08.000 Ali...

03:29:09.000 Ali...

03:29:10.000 Ali...

03:29:11.000 Ali He's right there on that border.

03:29:13.000 No, sir, he's not Russian.

03:29:15.000 What is his nationality?

03:29:16.000 He's Iranian.

03:29:18.000 Is he?

03:29:19.000 He's Muslim as fuck.

03:29:20.000 Here we go here.

03:29:21.000 Yeah, Iranian.

03:29:23.000 Oh, shit.

03:29:24.000 A lot of strong wrestlers come out of Iran, you know?

03:29:26.000 Iron Sheik.

03:29:27.000 His thing's Greco, which doesn't always translate to MMA, but...

03:29:32.000 Who's more synonymous with wrestling and Iran than the Iron Sheik?

03:29:35.000 None.

03:29:35.000 Maybe nobody.

03:29:36.000 Zero ever.

03:29:37.000 Zero ever.

03:29:39.000 Did you ever see that I gave him a ride to the airport once and videotaped the whole thing and put it on YouTube?

03:29:45.000 Really?

03:29:45.000 Have you ever seen that?

03:29:46.000 No.

03:29:46.000 Iron Sheik, it's like seven parts.

03:29:48.000 Me, Iron Sheik, and Danny Loner were...

03:29:51.000 His manager would take...

03:29:54.000 You'd give him 200 bucks and you could hang out with the Iron Sheik in his hotel and just fucking shoot the shit with him.

03:29:59.000 Wow.

03:29:59.000 And so Danny says, dude, you want to go hang out with the Iron Sheik?

03:30:02.000 I said, fuck, yes!

03:30:04.000 So we went, and it turns out we were late, and he was going to the airport.

03:30:07.000 Relate?

03:30:07.000 He goes, you want to just take us to the airport?

03:30:10.000 And we're like, fuck, yeah, we got him trapped in the car.

03:30:13.000 Look at that motherfucker.

03:30:14.000 That's him there?

03:30:15.000 Oh, that's it.

03:30:15.000 How old is he there?

03:30:16.000 He's a pretty old guy.

03:30:18.000 Holy shit.

03:30:19.000 He looks like a wax figure.

03:30:21.000 Yeah, he came on stage with me at that pot party.

03:30:25.000 What?

03:30:26.000 Yeah, he came on stage.

03:30:28.000 He was in the audience and I brought him up on stage.

03:30:30.000 You're damn right you did.

03:30:31.000 Joe Rogan knows what is toughest sport in all of Olympics.

03:30:36.000 Freestyle wrestling.

03:30:38.000 Greco-Roman.

03:30:59.000 That was ridiculous.

03:31:04.000 It was ridiculous.

03:31:05.000 Does the crowd know who he is?

03:31:07.000 Oh, fuck yeah!

03:31:08.000 Everybody knows who the Iron Sheik is.

03:31:10.000 I showed him that I named a move after him.

03:31:12.000 I had my book with me, and I go, look!

03:31:13.000 I called the move the Iron Sheik.

03:31:15.000 Oh, that's amazing.

03:31:16.000 He's hurting, man.

03:31:17.000 His whole body is all fucked up from all those years of pro wrestling.

03:31:21.000 Like, everything...

03:31:22.000 That too, but I mean his knees are gone, his hips are gone, his back's gone.

03:31:25.000 Those wrestlers get fucked up, man.

03:31:27.000 Fuck yeah, they do, man.

03:31:29.000 I don't think people appreciate the beating those guys take on their bodies.

03:31:32.000 Their schedule.

03:31:33.000 They're on the road like 300 days a year.

03:31:34.000 You know, obviously rehearsed and all that stuff.

03:31:37.000 In reality, behind the scenes, he was the baddest dude.

03:31:40.000 He has an Olympic gold medal in wrestling.

03:31:44.000 So does Kurt Angle.

03:31:46.000 And backstage, he was the fucking man.

03:31:48.000 Everybody knew that.

03:31:49.000 He was running the fucking show.

03:31:51.000 Well, he was a definite, like, real wrestler.

03:31:54.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:31:55.000 There's a few of those guys that get into pro wrestling that are like Kurt Angle, that are real, legitimate gold medalists in the Olympics.

03:32:01.000 And if shit went down, they'd fuck you up for real.

03:32:04.000 Yeah.

03:32:05.000 Well, it's, you know, like, how about Brock?

03:32:07.000 Like, if the shit went down, who's beating Brock?

03:32:09.000 Good luck.

03:32:10.000 Yeah.

03:32:10.000 Good luck all you guys.

03:32:11.000 Cain Velasquez.

03:32:12.000 Yeah, Cain.

03:32:13.000 There's like three people on the planet.

03:32:16.000 Yeah, and also Cain at 240, you know, when Brock is at 265. When Brock is not under any sort of guidelines or restrictions, he tends to be larger.

03:32:28.000 Ask Mark Hunt about it.

03:32:29.000 Yeah.

03:32:29.000 Wow.

03:32:30.000 Look at that.

03:32:30.000 The Iron Sheik.

03:32:32.000 Damn, he was jacked.

03:32:33.000 Oh, he was super jacked back in the day.

03:32:35.000 Powerful mustache.

03:32:36.000 Yeah, he was a thick dude.

03:32:37.000 He also used to use those Iranian clubs.

03:32:40.000 Look at the fucking...

03:32:41.000 Go back to that picture.

03:32:42.000 Look at the fucking thighs on that dude.

03:32:44.000 Jesus Christ.

03:32:45.000 I mean, he's just like one thick motherfucker.

03:32:49.000 Look at his obliques.

03:32:50.000 Powerful obliques.

03:32:51.000 Yeah, thick-ass, powerful dude.

03:32:53.000 But watch, see if you can find Iron Sheik Indian Club Workout.

03:33:00.000 Have you seen the documentary on the Iron Sheik?

03:33:02.000 No.

03:33:02.000 There's a documentary on him that just got released like maybe a year or two ago.

03:33:07.000 They're always sad.

03:33:07.000 It's awesome.

03:33:08.000 They're always sad though.

03:33:09.000 Like the Jake the Snake one's a bummer.

03:33:11.000 See those clubs?

03:33:12.000 This is a great documentary.

03:33:14.000 Is it sad though?

03:33:15.000 It's his whole story.

03:33:16.000 It's his whole story.

03:33:17.000 You know, you're not gonna start crying.

03:33:20.000 So watch how he does this.

03:33:22.000 These clubs, check this shit out.

03:33:24.000 These clubs that he's using, these are like traditional Indian clubs that they used to use to work out.

03:33:29.000 They would do these things called shield casts.

03:33:30.000 That is fucking very hard to do.

03:33:33.000 Hell yeah.

03:33:34.000 And the way he's doing it, he's like throwing those things around like they're nothing.

03:33:38.000 Those are fucking difficult to swing around.

03:33:41.000 I do that workout with a 25-pound club.

03:33:44.000 It's that hard to do.

03:33:46.000 No, he's a legit badass.

03:33:47.000 Yeah.

03:33:48.000 25-pound seems like it's nothing.

03:33:50.000 It seems like, what the fuck is that?

03:33:53.000 He called them Persian clubs?

03:33:54.000 Persian clubs?

03:33:55.000 Well, they used them in Persia as well, in Iran.

03:33:58.000 But those were like an old-school strength and conditioning piece of equipment.

03:34:04.000 And you would get other people to try to do it, and they just couldn't do it.

03:34:08.000 Some of them, they would do them out of wood.

03:34:10.000 They would use these big, thick pieces of heavy wood with a handle on the bottom of them.

03:34:14.000 That was what they originally were made out of.

03:34:16.000 But now a lot of guys make them out of steel now.

03:34:19.000 Look at this jacked white boy taking the challenge.

03:34:22.000 Oh, he's doing it too.

03:34:23.000 Precious Paul.

03:34:24.000 Who is Precious Paul?

03:34:26.000 God damn it, Precious Paul.

03:34:27.000 Terrible, man.

03:34:27.000 But Precious Paul is going forward and back, which is legit, but the real way to do it is what's called a shield cast, where you take your right hand and you go towards your left shoulder, behind your back, and then you control.

03:34:39.000 You bring it down in front of you and control.

03:34:41.000 Do we have any of those here?

03:34:42.000 Uh, no.

03:34:43.000 We don't have any of those?

03:34:44.000 No.

03:34:44.000 We have the maces, but we don't have a club?

03:34:47.000 Oh.

03:34:48.000 It's a fucking awesome exercise for shoulder strength.

03:34:50.000 Your shoulders better be in good shape to do that.

03:34:53.000 You can't go with, like, really heavy weights right off the bat, but obviously Precious Paul...

03:34:58.000 Oh, he's getting jacked now.

03:35:00.000 Seconds later, he was like, you stupid fuck!

03:35:02.000 Precious Paul!

03:35:03.000 I wear you out!

03:35:04.000 Now I kick your chest...

03:35:06.000 Precious Paul.

03:35:07.000 He's awesome, man.

03:35:08.000 Just knowing that Iron Sheik knows I'm alive made me happy.

03:35:10.000 That's pretty dope.

03:35:11.000 Can you still pay him $200 to chill and stuff?

03:35:14.000 I think so.

03:35:15.000 $400 now.

03:35:15.000 Is it $400?

03:35:16.000 It's $500 now.

03:35:17.000 Fuck, that's a bummer, man.

03:35:19.000 If you keep talking, it's going to get more.

03:35:20.000 Yeah, we had him in the car for like an hour, just picking his brain, making him leave messages on people's phones.

03:35:27.000 He was down!

03:35:28.000 He wasn't annoying at all!

03:35:29.000 They were happy they got their money and a free ride to the airport.

03:35:33.000 Where's he live?

03:35:35.000 I think somewhere in Minnesota, maybe.

03:35:38.000 Cold out there as fuck if you got a bad hip.

03:35:40.000 There's some WWE guys killing it, like Jesse Ventura's killing it.

03:35:43.000 He's a big time WWE guy.

03:35:45.000 He's had some injuries too, man.

03:35:47.000 A lot of those guys are all busted up from that sport.

03:35:50.000 Dude, Jesse Ventura is like 100% weed activist now.

03:35:53.000 Oh yeah.

03:35:53.000 He just wrote a book on...

03:35:54.000 I had him on.

03:35:55.000 Oh shit.

03:35:56.000 How nuts is that?

03:35:57.000 He was great.

03:35:58.000 He's all about the weed movement.

03:36:00.000 And he lives off the grid in Mexico or some shit.

03:36:02.000 Yep, and he uses weed for, he's got a bunch of ailments, and his wife has some ailments too.

03:36:08.000 You know, and she's using weed for it.

03:36:10.000 You know, he sued the American Sniper guy and won.

03:36:13.000 American Sniper, yeah.

03:36:14.000 Chris Kyle.

03:36:14.000 Chris Kyle said he beat him up, kind of punked him in a bar.

03:36:17.000 And he was like, that fucking never happened.

03:36:20.000 And sued him, yeah.

03:36:21.000 He's actually said he was going to consider running for president if Donald Trump won.

03:36:25.000 That's what he said on the podcast.

03:36:26.000 I wonder if he's still going to do it.

03:36:28.000 Talking all that shit.

03:36:29.000 He's in his 70s now, isn't he?

03:36:30.000 Yep, he's in his 70s.

03:36:31.000 Yeah.

03:36:32.000 And that's a hard job.

03:36:34.000 So is Donald Trump.

03:36:35.000 Yeah.

03:36:35.000 That's true.

03:36:36.000 Yeah.

03:36:37.000 It's all very interesting, man.

03:36:39.000 Okay, any other fights we need to talk about?

03:36:41.000 Is that it?

03:36:41.000 Do we get them all?

03:36:42.000 Yeah, Brandon Thatch.

03:36:44.000 Ooh, who's he fighting?

03:36:46.000 He hasn't fought in a while.

03:36:47.000 He's fighting a price.

03:36:49.000 Who's Nico Price?

03:36:51.000 Nico?

03:36:51.000 Nico Price?

03:36:52.000 How's Thatch doing?

03:36:54.000 You're friends with him, right?

03:36:55.000 Yeah, friends with him.

03:36:56.000 I talked to Leister Bullen this morning about him.

03:36:58.000 He said it's the most...

03:36:59.000 Because Thatcher's thing has always been dedication.

03:37:01.000 He said it's the most dedicated he's ever been to a fight, so that's usually scary.

03:37:05.000 Well, he's a super, super talented guy.

03:37:06.000 Oh, and Tim Means is fighting Alex Oliveira.

03:37:09.000 Ooh, there's a sleeper.

03:37:10.000 Dude, how come nobody brought that fight up?

03:37:12.000 What about Stundun Versafedine?

03:37:13.000 But hold on, let's look at this fucking fight.

03:37:15.000 Tim Means is a bad motherfucker, and so is Oliveira.

03:37:18.000 Oliveira's big, though.

03:37:19.000 Didn't he have a hard time making 170 in his last fight?

03:37:21.000 Yeah, was his last fight when he got murked by Cowboy, the real Cowboy?

03:37:25.000 No.

03:37:26.000 Because he goes by cowboy, too.

03:37:27.000 No, I feel like he fought after that.

03:37:29.000 Oh, that's right, and he won.

03:37:30.000 Knocked the guy out.

03:37:30.000 But he was way overweight.

03:37:31.000 That's right.

03:37:32.000 He was huge.

03:37:33.000 Like, way overweight.

03:37:34.000 Like, for some reason, I mean, I want to say he was several pounds overweight, right?

03:37:38.000 That's a fun fight.

03:37:40.000 Yeah.

03:37:40.000 Alex Garcia versus Mike Pyle.

03:37:43.000 Mike Pyle's still hanging in there.

03:37:44.000 God, talk about...

03:37:45.000 He's the dirty bird.

03:37:48.000 He's a bad motherfucker, too.

03:37:49.000 Really skillful.

03:37:51.000 Very smart guy when it comes to MMA RQ. No, he's in his 40s, but he's in the Larry Holmes 40s.

03:37:56.000 You know, like a legit 40s with USADA. Legit 40s.

03:38:00.000 Tarek Safedine and Dong Young Kim, that's interesting, too.

03:38:02.000 Stun Gun's been out for a minute.

03:38:04.000 Yep, he has.

03:38:05.000 And him versus Tarek Safedine is very interesting.

03:38:08.000 When was the last time Stun Gun was in?

03:38:11.000 When was the last time Dong Young Kim was fighting?

03:38:13.000 What was his last fight, if you had to guess?

03:38:15.000 It wasn't the Woodley fight, was it?

03:38:17.000 Woodley stopped him.

03:38:18.000 Probably, because he's taking a long last time off.

03:38:20.000 Let's see what it says there.

03:38:21.000 Is it Woodley?

03:38:23.000 Nope.

03:38:24.000 Last fight he won.

03:38:26.000 Who did he fight there?

03:38:26.000 Dominic Waters.

03:38:27.000 Shit!

03:38:28.000 Oh, Berkman.

03:38:29.000 Dominic Waters and Josh Berkman.

03:38:30.000 Okay.

03:38:31.000 And then he lost to Woodley.

03:38:33.000 Woodley KO'd him two years ago.

03:38:34.000 So he hasn't fought since 2015. Yeah.

03:38:37.000 Hmm.

03:38:38.000 John Hathaway.

03:38:39.000 What happened to him?

03:38:40.000 He was dealing with some injuries, I think.

03:38:43.000 He had a lot of potential.

03:38:45.000 Yeah, a lot of potential.

03:38:46.000 A lot of potential.

03:38:46.000 And underappreciated grappling ability for a big guy from the UK. English fella, that's right.

03:38:54.000 Yeah.

03:38:54.000 But he had some injuries, I believe.

03:38:57.000 And didn't he have like some sort of an allergy or something too?

03:38:59.000 Like maybe a food allergy or something like that that he was dealing with?

03:39:02.000 I don't know, you don't see.

03:39:03.000 I think I remember like some kind of...

03:39:06.000 Medical issue?

03:39:07.000 Yeah.

03:39:08.000 That's a bummer.

03:39:09.000 Yeah, man.

03:39:10.000 Hard-ass sport.

03:39:12.000 Is that it?

03:39:12.000 Is that it for that card?

03:39:13.000 Anything else coming up that we need to talk about before we get the fuck up out this bitch?

03:39:20.000 How many articles do you think we wrote for the MMA media today?

03:39:23.000 A fake MMA news site.

03:39:25.000 They need to start.

03:39:26.000 They're all fake.

03:39:27.000 They have a lot of fake ones.

03:39:28.000 People make up shit.

03:39:29.000 I walk out and it's almost like a blur.

03:39:31.000 I don't remember what I said until I read some shit.

03:39:33.000 I'm like, whoops.

03:39:34.000 I was just talking to my friends.

03:39:36.000 Are you kidding me?

03:39:37.000 I never watch that shit.

03:39:39.000 Those videos pop up randomly.

03:39:41.000 I'm watching something else and that shit pops up and I'm like, I don't want to watch that bullshit.

03:39:45.000 You can't.

03:39:45.000 Well, on my show, I'll do fan questions and be like, remember when you said this shit to Rogan?

03:39:49.000 I'm like, I said that?

03:39:51.000 Listen, that's the problem with people getting upset at something that three people say.

03:39:57.000 We're all racing.

03:39:58.000 We're all just darting in with shit and talking shit, and we're all high, and we're being ridiculous.

03:40:03.000 When you do stuff like that, You're going to say some shit that you probably shouldn't have said, but you can't pretend that this is anything we thought out.

03:40:10.000 A lot of it is completely off the cuff.

03:40:13.000 And if you don't like that, that's fine.

03:40:16.000 But if you do like it, there's only one way to do it, folks.

03:40:18.000 You've got to do it off the cuff like that.

03:40:20.000 You're going to crack some eggs if you want to make an omelette.

03:40:22.000 It's true.

03:40:23.000 We'll make some omelettes.

03:40:26.000 They're fake omelets, though.

03:40:27.000 It's all fake.

03:40:28.000 By the way, Brian Callen, it's not that he's not here because we don't love him.

03:40:31.000 He's busy.

03:40:31.000 He's on vacation.

03:40:32.000 That's all.

03:40:33.000 Because people are like, oh, you guys are cutting Callen out?

03:40:35.000 No, not at all.

03:40:36.000 But if he was here, we would definitely have made fun of him, and we definitely would have got called bullies.

03:40:41.000 True.

03:40:41.000 And he would have made some facts up.

03:40:43.000 It's just what we do, and we love him.

03:40:46.000 He's a crazy boy.

03:40:47.000 He's crazy.

03:40:48.000 He's a fun fella.

03:40:49.000 So he's out there on vacation.

03:40:50.000 So yeah, he'll be back for the next one.

03:40:52.000 Of course.

03:40:52.000 So we'll try to do one soon.

03:40:54.000 There's some other ones coming up that I'm not doing.

03:40:57.000 You know, I know for sure.

03:40:59.000 We'll have to do that.

03:41:00.000 Ben Saunders is coming up against Court McGee.

03:41:04.000 When is that?

03:41:05.000 That's on January 15th.

03:41:06.000 Sunday, January 15th in Phoenix.

03:41:08.000 Oh, please.

03:41:09.000 So I'll be there cornering, so I wouldn't be able to do it.

03:41:11.000 Oh, that's the BJ Penn card?

03:41:12.000 Yeah.

03:41:13.000 What is it?

03:41:13.000 January what?

03:41:14.000 15th.

03:41:14.000 15th?

03:41:15.000 Oh, it's a Sunday night?

03:41:16.000 Yep.

03:41:16.000 Oh, interesting.

03:41:16.000 Ooh, that'd be fun.

03:41:17.000 Oh, I'm in, man.

03:41:18.000 I'm in.

03:41:19.000 I'm down for that.

03:41:20.000 No conspiracy theories that one.

03:41:21.000 That's our next one.

03:41:22.000 I'll try and hold him down.

03:41:24.000 Brian's saying, why doesn't BJ just punch him with the right hand?

03:41:26.000 I'll tell you what, BJ's fundamentals are just off.

03:41:28.000 Yeah, why doesn't he just hit him with the right hand?

03:41:31.000 Alright folks, that's it.

03:41:32.000 Fighter and the Kid, tfatk.com, Edgy Bra, Eddie Bravo on Twitter, Eddie Bravo 10 on Instagram, Brendan Schaub on Instagram, 10thPlanetJJ.com.

03:41:44.000 We're in Seattle, Portland, and Vancouver.

03:41:46.000 January.

03:41:46.000 Next EBI is on March.

03:41:49.000 We're aiming for March 5th.

03:41:51.000 Aiming for it.

03:41:52.000 But old ones, which you do want to watch, are all available on Fight Pass.

03:41:56.000 Go there and check out the last one with Gio Martinez.

03:42:00.000 Against Eddie Eddie Cummings catches him with an armbar.

03:42:03.000 Goddamn.

03:42:04.000 And just so many epic matches.

03:42:06.000 And if you're a fight fan in particular, it'll give you a real appreciation of high-level grappling and getting to see all these submissions.

03:42:13.000 And it's just an awesome format that Ed Gibra has invented.

03:42:18.000 All right, we'll be back tomorrow with Zach Leary.

03:42:22.000 Zach Leary.

03:42:23.000 Timothy Leary's son.

03:42:23.000 He's going to be here tomorrow.

03:42:24.000 Oh, shit.

03:42:25.000 All right, we'll see you.

03:42:26.000 Bye.

03:42:26.000 See ya.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 26, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #890 - Fight Breakdown

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