The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #893

00:00:00.000 Four.

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00:00:07.000 Live, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:08.000 Eddie Bravo, Joey Motherfucker Diaz, and Brandon Schaub.

00:00:14.000 I love you guys.

00:00:15.000 Love you guys, too.

00:00:16.000 Happy New Year.

00:00:17.000 Happy New Year, motherfuckers.

00:00:18.000 Happy New Year.

00:00:19.000 Everybody who came to the show last night, thanks for coming out.

00:00:21.000 Sorry we couldn't stick around.

00:00:23.000 I've had a stomach bug since Thursday.

00:00:25.000 I was severely worried that I was going to shit myself during the show.

00:00:29.000 I was worried I was going to shit myself during the UFC. During the UFC, I didn't eat all day, and then right before it, I'm like, God damn it, I gotta eat something.

00:00:36.000 Yeah, my stomach's been fucked.

00:00:38.000 My kids had some sort of a bug, some sort of a flu.

00:00:40.000 The whole house had it.

00:00:41.000 My wife had it, my daughters had it, and I didn't get it until I got to Vegas.

00:00:45.000 And on Vegas, I worked out with Della Grate Thursday, and I was burping and farting.

00:00:50.000 I was like, what is going on?

00:00:52.000 And then the middle of the night, I woke up, I was like, oh, this ain't good.

00:00:54.000 This is not good.

00:00:55.000 And then the next day, I couldn't eat anything.

00:00:57.000 Couldn't hold anything down.

00:00:58.000 And right before the UFC, I said, oh, I gotta eat something.

00:01:00.000 So I had some quesadillas.

00:01:02.000 I just took a chance.

00:01:03.000 And I was like, I might very well have to sprint to the shitter.

00:01:06.000 So I got through that.

00:01:07.000 Yeah.

00:01:08.000 That was during the UFC? Yeah, I was severely worried I was gonna have to shit myself.

00:01:11.000 But I pulled it out and then wrecked a bathroom afterwards.

00:01:17.000 Destroy!

00:01:20.000 That kind where you smell it coming out of your body and you're like, what in the fuck is in there?

00:01:25.000 And then the same thing yesterday.

00:01:26.000 I couldn't eat all day before the show.

00:01:28.000 Couldn't eat a goddamn thing.

00:01:29.000 And then right before we were in the dressing room, I go, I gotta eat something.

00:01:32.000 I'm tired.

00:01:32.000 I feel kind of weak.

00:01:33.000 So I had some cheese and some meat.

00:01:35.000 So that's why I didn't stick around after the show, ladies and gentlemen.

00:01:38.000 But if you came, we had a good goddamn time.

00:01:41.000 I figured you got sick because you made like a bear meat fucking omelet or some shit.

00:01:45.000 Fed it to your family.

00:01:46.000 If I got sick from that, no, everybody got sick from school.

00:01:51.000 Little kids, man, they just get sick.

00:01:53.000 There's a bunch of them together, and they just somehow or another...

00:01:56.000 You ever think about that?

00:01:57.000 Like, who's the first person who got VD? There had to be one dirty motherfucker that was number...

00:02:02.000 There has to be a patient zero.

00:02:04.000 Snotty-nosed kid.

00:02:05.000 There's one person, like VD, right?

00:02:07.000 Like, that had to come from an individual first, right?

00:02:11.000 I mean, every cold has to come from somewhere.

00:02:15.000 Apparently a lot of the colds we get come from agriculture.

00:02:18.000 That's why it's all like swine flu and shit like that.

00:02:20.000 I thought the white man brought it here to the Indians.

00:02:22.000 We're like, hey, how you doing?

00:02:23.000 And then they're just sick as fuck and die.

00:02:26.000 Dude, we went over that the other day in a podcast.

00:02:28.000 90% of all Native Americans were wiped out by diseases that they didn't have an immune system for when the Europeans came in the 1500s.

00:02:36.000 Fucking white people.

00:02:37.000 Wait.

00:02:38.000 Did more of them get actually killed in battles?

00:02:41.000 No.

00:02:43.000 More of them died by disease, believe it or not.

00:02:45.000 Fucking 90% of the population.

00:02:47.000 It's really crazy.

00:02:49.000 Where'd you get that from?

00:02:50.000 The library?

00:02:52.000 We're not doing that today, Eddie Bravo.

00:02:54.000 We're not doing that.

00:02:55.000 We're not doing that today.

00:02:56.000 One figure.

00:03:00.000 Library.com, yo!

00:03:02.000 So, UFC 207. That was one of the craziest events of all time.

00:03:10.000 And watching that main event, it was like...

00:03:14.000 It was surreal.

00:03:15.000 First of all, it was surreal because my body was all weirded out because I was a little out of it.

00:03:20.000 About to pass out.

00:03:21.000 About to shit all over my chair.

00:03:23.000 But it was also just bizarre.

00:03:26.000 That was the least competitive...

00:03:29.000 Like, main event, other than Aldo and McGregor, but that was one dynamic shot to the chin that knocked him out.

00:03:36.000 Like, everything about that was off.

00:03:38.000 Can you think about another main event championship level where it was that kind of big of a discrepancy?

00:03:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:03:46.000 Like, it wasn't even a fight.

00:03:48.000 And I think leading up to it, there was some...

00:03:51.000 Kind of red flags that you saw leading up to it, if you think back now.

00:03:55.000 She was in great shape, though, everybody said, right?

00:03:57.000 Physically.

00:03:58.000 Physically, though.

00:03:59.000 Physically.

00:03:59.000 She looked great.

00:04:01.000 But, like, what kind of sparring was she doing?

00:04:04.000 You know, one of the things I was thinking when she was hitting pads, she was standing there hitting pads with Edmund, I was like, they're standing right in front of each other.

00:04:10.000 Like, she's not moving.

00:04:11.000 Like, she's just hitting pads.

00:04:13.000 Pads are tough to tell, though, right?

00:04:14.000 Because sometimes they're doing it for the camera.

00:04:16.000 If the countdown crew is there, you don't want to show your new shit.

00:04:18.000 But also, what did people think was going to happen?

00:04:21.000 Like, did you think this whole time when she was shooting these movies, doing something, had me and her come up with a plan for her to stick on the outside, jab and move?

00:04:29.000 That's not in her DNA. That's not even good enough, anyway.

00:04:32.000 She had to close the distance and clinch.

00:04:34.000 That should have been the only plan.

00:04:36.000 The idea of standing with Amanda Nunes is just ridiculous.

00:04:39.000 The difference in punching power is like literally double.

00:04:41.000 But we've seen her fight big punchers before.

00:04:44.000 Who?

00:04:45.000 Betch could hit pretty hard.

00:04:47.000 I'm not saying similar, but I'm saying what Betch did, she was a beast.

00:04:50.000 Betch has decent power and she's very aggressive.

00:04:53.000 She throws volume strikes, but she throws their arms.

00:04:56.000 She doesn't hit nearly as hard as Amanda.

00:04:59.000 Amanda torques her whole body in this shit.

00:05:01.000 I agree, Joe.

00:05:02.000 And Betch's arms are this long.

00:05:06.000 Amanda's got some goddamn telephone poles.

00:05:09.000 And that's all fine, but don't you think the game plan should have been get her to the ground.

00:05:13.000 And she tried that.

00:05:15.000 A little bit.

00:05:16.000 She was already lit up.

00:05:17.000 She wasn't there though mentally.

00:05:19.000 That's why I'm saying there's things leading up to it.

00:05:21.000 And I think the biggest red flag for me, and you know Dana better than anyone.

00:05:26.000 He's a promoter through and through.

00:05:28.000 If not the best of all time.

00:05:29.000 I can't think of another one.

00:05:30.000 Don King, I guess.

00:05:31.000 But still.

00:05:31.000 For him to say, yeah, you can skip all the media shit and just focus on the fight.

00:05:36.000 I was like, God, that just doesn't seem right, man.

00:05:38.000 You know why?

00:05:40.000 She's managed by or she's handled by William Morris in her endeavor, WME. WME owns UFC now.

00:05:46.000 I'm aware of that.

00:05:46.000 I'm sure that's what...

00:05:47.000 Dana said it was his decision.

00:05:49.000 It was his decision.

00:05:50.000 Yeah, he goes, I'm the one who let...

00:05:51.000 We agreed to this.

00:05:53.000 It was in her contract.

00:05:54.000 It's a one-time thing I'm never doing again.

00:05:55.000 I thought, God damn, that is sketchy.

00:05:56.000 So she must have put it in the contract.

00:05:58.000 She must have said, this is what I want to do.

00:06:00.000 I don't want to talk to any media.

00:06:01.000 I just want to go out and train.

00:06:01.000 Maybe.

00:06:02.000 That's not a red flag to you?

00:06:03.000 Not if Conor did it.

00:06:06.000 I mean, Conor doesn't have the choice.

00:06:07.000 But if Conor did it, if Conor said, fuck all this fucking media.

00:06:12.000 I'm going to Dublin.

00:06:13.000 I'm going to train.

00:06:15.000 He would never do that.

00:06:16.000 If he did, I'd have zero problem with it.

00:06:17.000 Is that not a red flag, though, to anyone involved at all?

00:06:20.000 No.

00:06:20.000 For Dana to say, all good, don't do any so.

00:06:23.000 But here's the thing.

00:06:24.000 She goes out, she goes out, grabs a hold of Man Nunes, flips her on her head, semi-unconscious, catches her in an armbar.

00:06:30.000 She's the new champ in 35 seconds.

00:06:32.000 You're not saying this.

00:06:33.000 I disagree.

00:06:34.000 No!

00:06:35.000 You wouldn't say there's a red flag if she went out and dominated and got an armbar in the first round.

00:06:38.000 You would definitely not say that skipping the media is a red flag.

00:06:41.000 You're only saying it because this is like armchair quarterbacking.

00:06:44.000 It's not, though, because I said there's a red flag before this.

00:06:48.000 So if she did interviews afterwards, let's say she went out there, dominated her in a minute, submitted her, and then she did interviews afterwards, that's a little different.

00:06:57.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:06:58.000 Because she's just saying, I'm not doing any media at all.

00:07:00.000 Even post, you're saying?

00:07:01.000 Even post.

00:07:02.000 Yeah.

00:07:02.000 Well, she doesn't want to talk after that.

00:07:04.000 I mean, why would you want to talk to that?

00:07:05.000 The whole sell on this was, she's serious now.

00:07:09.000 Oh my God.

00:07:10.000 She's focused, knowing her, she's serious now.

00:07:12.000 To what extent?

00:07:14.000 The whole thing was like this big, obvious marketing perspective, like a promotional Hollywood perspective.

00:07:21.000 Like they had the movie, which is a really good, like, yeah, you pumped up.

00:07:25.000 Like that whole thing about her coming back and they lift up the garage door and you see her working out really hard.

00:07:30.000 What they did is they created a great hype piece, you know?

00:07:33.000 If you're in the Ronda Rousey business.

00:07:36.000 Exactly.

00:07:36.000 Amanda Nunez going, what the- Exactly.

00:07:38.000 The best was their picture promoting this UFC, and there's a picture of Ronda in her fight gear, and Ronda in her street clothes goes, she's back, 207. It's like, fuck, man, what about Amanda?

00:07:50.000 When I say, in this crazy world of MMA- I saw that picture.

00:07:52.000 Who did that picture?

00:07:53.000 Was that an official UFC picture?

00:07:55.000 That was an official UFC kind of social media post.

00:07:58.000 Wow.

00:07:58.000 It's crazy, man.

00:07:59.000 Because now what do you do?

00:08:00.000 It's also crazy because it's crazy for a marketing perspective.

00:08:04.000 I mean, a lot of people thought that Ronda was going to win.

00:08:06.000 A lot of people.

00:08:07.000 I was 100% who the fuck knows.

00:08:10.000 Me too.

00:08:11.000 That's exactly how I felt.

00:08:12.000 When I was watching that fight play out, I was like, who the fuck knows?

00:08:15.000 No idea.

00:08:16.000 I mean, you could see, look, Ronda looked like she was in amazing shape.

00:08:19.000 You think about the things that Ronda's been able to do in the past, like Sarah McMahon, you would think, well, maybe she ties her up in a clinch, blasts her with a knee to the body, flips her on her back, and armbars her.

00:08:29.000 Who the fuck knows?

00:08:30.000 If she gets you on the ground, her armbar technique is outstanding.

00:08:34.000 It's just some of the best, if not the best, I've ever seen inside the icon.

00:08:37.000 Probably the best, probably the best.

00:08:38.000 That could have happened.

00:08:39.000 But it was so who the fuck knows.

00:08:40.000 But the moment she got hit, she's not moving her head at all.

00:08:44.000 She's standing straight up in the air.

00:08:46.000 And then I see her legs get close together.

00:08:48.000 And that's when you know someone's really hurt.

00:08:50.000 When someone gets lit up and then they start moving, but their legs are too close together, it's just not working right.

00:08:56.000 It's not like they kind of know what to do, but it's just not, they're not, they're The balance isn't good.

00:09:02.000 There's no head movement.

00:09:04.000 She was probably hurt with like the second or third punch that Amanda hit her with.

00:09:08.000 She was probably on Queer Street.

00:09:09.000 That's what woke her up.

00:09:11.000 She didn't know where she was until she got hit, Joe.

00:09:13.000 Look at that one.

00:09:14.000 She got hit when you go, ooh, ooh, she's hurt.

00:09:16.000 She's hurt.

00:09:17.000 Look at her face.

00:09:19.000 Her hands.

00:09:19.000 You even said it yourself.

00:09:20.000 She threw up a kick.

00:09:22.000 She threw some kicks to try to keep Amanda off.

00:09:24.000 I think she didn't realize.

00:09:25.000 I think when Amanda hits girls, they just go, holy shit.

00:09:29.000 But what else would you expect in that?

00:09:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:09:32.000 You don't realize until you get hit, but you hear all the criticism now of Edmund, who's obviously a terrible coach.

00:09:39.000 But take that out of it.

00:09:40.000 If you bring a horse to water and they can't drink, there's nothing else you can do.

00:09:44.000 So if mentally she doesn't want to be in there, it doesn't matter.

00:09:46.000 You think she didn't want to be in there?

00:09:49.000 Why'd you say that?

00:09:50.000 It didn't look like the same tenacity that we're used to seeing.

00:09:53.000 She looked super tenacious until she got cracked.

00:09:56.000 Joe was 44 seconds.

00:09:57.000 Yeah, but you don't need more than that.

00:09:59.000 When she ate that first jab.

00:10:00.000 She got hurt with a right hand, maybe 10-50.

00:10:02.000 We can watch the whole fight.

00:10:04.000 So watch the whole fight.

00:10:05.000 It's 48 seconds.

00:10:07.000 It's on YouTube already.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, it's everywhere.

00:10:09.000 It doesn't matter.

00:10:10.000 You don't think she's faced tough fighters before?

00:10:12.000 Like, what do you think it is?

00:10:13.000 I don't understand why you're even saying this.

00:10:15.000 You see that she got hit.

00:10:17.000 And you see she got hurt.

00:10:18.000 And you've been hit and hurt before.

00:10:19.000 You know what happens.

00:10:20.000 You just don't know what the fuck's going on.

00:10:22.000 Correct.

00:10:24.000 However, I don't think that jab put her lights out.

00:10:27.000 Well, it wasn't just a jab, dude.

00:10:28.000 She hit her with a right hand.

00:10:29.000 It was the first jab that landed.

00:10:30.000 When she went into close distance.

00:10:32.000 Okay, but the first jab landed, but then she got hit with many punches.

00:10:35.000 I don't understand why you're confused as to the result.

00:10:38.000 I mean, she got hit by the biggest power puncher in the 135-pound division by far.

00:10:43.000 There's not a single girl in that division that punches like Amanda does.

00:10:46.000 I agree with that, but it wasn't a right hand right away.

00:10:49.000 Yes, it was.

00:10:49.000 It was a jab right away, but a right hand right after that.

00:10:53.000 Once Rhonda tried to close distance.

00:10:55.000 It was 40 seconds of Amanda punching Rhonda in the face until Rhonda went out.

00:10:59.000 The idea that something's confusing, that she didn't look like she wanted to be there, she was hurt multiple times in those exchanges.

00:11:07.000 I think we're doing a lot of armchair quarterbacking, right?

00:11:10.000 Who the fuck knows what was going on in her head?

00:11:12.000 What you're speculating whether or not she wanted to be there after she got hit.

00:11:16.000 The problem is she might have been just rocked.

00:11:19.000 And there's also the reality that she was knocked out fucking cold a year ago.

00:11:24.000 And it was a bad beating and then a vicious head kick.

00:11:27.000 And there is something about those goddamn neck kicks, man.

00:11:31.000 There's something about when someone shins you in the neck like she got shinned and your whole body just goes limp, you're doing so much damage in there.

00:11:40.000 But she had 411 days off.

00:11:42.000 That's nice.

00:11:43.000 I think it was just bad strategy.

00:11:44.000 Just really simple.

00:11:46.000 The strategy was not good.

00:11:47.000 What happens if Amanda's just better?

00:11:49.000 That's possible, too.

00:11:50.000 Look, I was the one who said, like, way early on, I think Amanda's her most dangerous challenge.

00:11:54.000 Because Amanda hit so fucking hard.

00:11:56.000 After she starched Sarah McMahon, and when she was beating up Misha, I was like, Jesus Christ!

00:12:02.000 She punches harder than anybody in that division.

00:12:04.000 She's got dangerous weapons with her hands.

00:12:07.000 But I really think there's a lot of people that get KO'd like that and they are never the same again.

00:12:12.000 I agree.

00:12:12.000 They can't absorb a shot anymore.

00:12:14.000 And then also in your brain, according to Chuck Liddell, he was telling me about it, because Chuck was so tough that he would just fucking use his chin, sort of like Lineker does.

00:12:24.000 It's part of his defense, knowing that he can absorb shots.

00:12:28.000 And after a while, his brain was like, hey man, fuck you.

00:12:32.000 Like, his brain was just like, we're not going to do this.

00:12:34.000 And shuts off.

00:12:35.000 Yeah, just shuts off early to protect you.

00:12:37.000 I also think there's a certain level where they're that great, and you look at like a Tiger Woods or Mike Tyson, when that foundation gets a little shaky, they're just never the same.

00:12:46.000 Yeah, that's true too.

00:12:47.000 It's just never, they're like, I'm not God's gift to the UFC. Exactly.

00:12:50.000 No, the MMA gods don't give a shit.

00:12:52.000 Exactly.

00:12:52.000 And then, like we said, even if she was undefeated and she fought Nunes, Nunes is going to give her problems.

00:12:57.000 Because if you watch the Misha Tate fight, Misha Tate, even though she beat Misha Tate twice, Misha Tate gave her a hard time.

00:13:04.000 There's some good scrambles.

00:13:05.000 Misha Tate hit her with some punches.

00:13:07.000 If Amanda hits you with punches like that, you're fucked.

00:13:10.000 You can't make mistakes.

00:13:11.000 You're in trouble.

00:13:12.000 In a lot of ways, she's like a female Rumble.

00:13:15.000 She might not be able to close the show with one shot like Rumble can, but if you make mistakes, you get stung so bad.

00:13:24.000 Sarah McMahon fights a perfect example.

00:13:26.000 She cracks Sarah with her right hand.

00:13:28.000 Her whole face is like, what?

00:13:31.000 Nobody hits them like that.

00:13:32.000 Nobody.

00:13:33.000 And she's long.

00:13:35.000 Amanda catches you on the end of those punches, too.

00:13:38.000 She's great at distance.

00:13:39.000 I also think that the game's evolving so fast where Amanda, all she cares about is being champ.

00:13:46.000 All she does is train.

00:13:47.000 That's the only thing she gives a fuck about.

00:13:49.000 I think we saw the same thing in the Dominick Cruz Cody Garbrandt fight.

00:13:53.000 All Cody wants to do is be champ.

00:13:55.000 Dominick's doing analyst work.

00:13:57.000 He is.

00:13:57.000 So I think there's this kind of change of hands right now where you're seeing these guys who are all in.

00:14:04.000 And that's what you have to do to be in this game in this day and age.

00:14:06.000 Guys are too good.

00:14:07.000 They're too good now.

00:14:08.000 I think you're dead right.

00:14:09.000 I think you're dead right about that.

00:14:11.000 Here we go.

00:14:11.000 We'll watch the whole thing live now.

00:14:13.000 Give us a volume, Young Jamie.

00:14:16.000 So here it is.

00:14:17.000 So that jab landed with 5 seconds.

00:14:18.000 Look at this.

00:14:19.000 Jab right there.

00:14:20.000 Watch this.

00:14:22.000 She stung her right there.

00:14:23.000 1-2-2 there.

00:14:24.000 1-2-2.

00:14:25.000 Yeah, see?

00:14:25.000 So she stung 10 seconds in.

00:14:27.000 We're at 4.43.

00:14:28.000 We're 15 seconds in.

00:14:29.000 And she's already right there.

00:14:30.000 She's fucked.

00:14:31.000 Right there, she's fucked.

00:14:32.000 That was a super hard right hand.

00:14:34.000 Super fucked.

00:14:35.000 And this is bad.

00:14:36.000 This is real bad.

00:14:36.000 It's hard to watch.

00:14:37.000 It's real hard to watch.

00:14:38.000 Hard to watch.

00:14:39.000 Boom to the body, too.

00:14:40.000 She ripped that shot to the body.

00:14:41.000 So, like, the idea that she didn't want to be there, ten seconds into the fight, she didn't know what the fuck was going on.

00:14:47.000 Oh, that left hook in the right hand, and then that right hand behind it.

00:14:50.000 This is horrific, man.

00:14:52.000 It's tough to watch.

00:14:53.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:14:55.000 God damn.

00:14:57.000 Good stoppage by Herb.

00:14:59.000 Great stoppage, but goddamn Amanda Nunes is good.

00:15:01.000 She put a finger up to her mouth, walked right up to Edmund, looked at him and went...

00:15:06.000 So gangster.

00:15:08.000 So gangster.

00:15:09.000 Rhonda's still standing.

00:15:12.000 She's in another dimension.

00:15:14.000 There's no doubt about she's got heart.

00:15:16.000 There's no doubt about she's tough.

00:15:17.000 And also she's got that thick old neck.

00:15:19.000 That helps.

00:15:19.000 Look how long Amanda's arms are.

00:15:21.000 She's great at keeping distance and not crowding herself.

00:15:24.000 Well, Amanda has wide shoulders, and that helps too, and then long arms as well.

00:15:29.000 And she's got awesome distance, man.

00:15:31.000 Her ability to catch you at the very end of the punches where all the power is.

00:15:36.000 Because if you're punching someone and you want to hit them here, but they just move forward a foot, you lose like 90% of your power.

00:15:44.000 Do you think Amanda can fight guys at 135?

00:15:48.000 Well, bad guys.

00:15:49.000 Not good guys?

00:15:50.000 No, not like the super high-level guys.

00:15:53.000 She's not going to beat TJ Dillashaw.

00:15:55.000 What about top 10?

00:15:56.000 No, it's changed now, man.

00:15:58.000 I think if you asked me that same question three or four years ago, I'd have a different answer.

00:16:02.000 But that division is so stacked now.

00:16:05.000 It's like when 135 first opened up, In the UFC, there wasn't as many guys that were that elite.

00:16:14.000 Even to watch the guys who were really good improve.

00:16:17.000 You saw the Cody fight where he was fucking fantastic against Dominic, but how goddamn good did TJ look against Lineker?

00:16:24.000 Completely nullified Lineker.

00:16:26.000 Nullified him.

00:16:27.000 Lineker, he's like one of the best examples of a guy with absolutely freakish physical attributes.

00:16:34.000 A fucking iron jaw.

00:16:36.000 Iron jaw.

00:16:37.000 I've never even seen the guy get hurt.

00:16:38.000 He gets hit by everybody.

00:16:39.000 He gets head kicked.

00:16:40.000 He gets punched.

00:16:41.000 Rob Font said he hit him with the hardest punch he ever hit anybody with in his life.

00:16:44.000 And he goes, he didn't even acknowledge that he hit him.

00:16:46.000 He just walked right forward.

00:16:47.000 He said he hit him with a body shot.

00:16:48.000 Felt like he got hit by a car.

00:16:50.000 He didn't look like that.

00:16:51.000 Lineker, I don't think that same Lineker showed up on Friday night.

00:16:55.000 TJ nullified him.

00:16:56.000 He didn't have a chance.

00:16:56.000 He did, but Lineker was very hesitant.

00:16:58.000 And I think it was because of TJ's, the way he was fighting him with the feints, the takedowns, the kicks, and throwing that head kick to the body kick.

00:17:05.000 But he was very tentative.

00:17:07.000 Super tentative.

00:17:07.000 He got out beat.

00:17:09.000 He threw him in the truck, almost had him in a cap slicer.

00:17:11.000 I thought he was going to go for the twister.

00:17:13.000 I was like, oh my god, if he goes to the twister, but he went for the calf slicer, but I'm like, I looked at him like, he's not going to tap to that.

00:17:19.000 It's just pain.

00:17:20.000 He needed to stomp down.

00:17:22.000 TJ looked amazing.

00:17:24.000 Amazing.

00:17:24.000 Yeah, and the timing and those takedowns, like lightning bolts.

00:17:28.000 Like, it looks like he's throwing a punch and he's underneath you.

00:17:31.000 It was so nasty.

00:17:32.000 He's so fast, man.

00:17:34.000 But god...

00:17:35.000 Damn, Cody Garbrandt.

00:17:37.000 What the fuck?

00:17:38.000 Goddamn.

00:17:38.000 And I'll admit, I said, I think Cody's going to be champ, just not yet.

00:17:42.000 He's going to be your champ, but he's not ready for Dom yet.

00:17:45.000 Then I opened him around, I was like, what the fuck?

00:17:47.000 He's mimicking him.

00:17:49.000 He's doing breakdancing.

00:17:50.000 He's doing pushups and shit.

00:17:52.000 He fucked with Dominic's head.

00:17:53.000 And that was one of the things that I was thinking of.

00:17:55.000 This kid's been in a lot of street fights.

00:17:56.000 I don't know if this trash talk is going to work on him the way it works on other guys.

00:18:01.000 He said he was fine in there.

00:18:03.000 I asked him about it.

00:18:04.000 He's like, I like that.

00:18:05.000 He goes, I feel calm.

00:18:06.000 He goes, I know I can stay calm when that's going on.

00:18:08.000 And I think he's just like this young, hungry dude who, he took it personal.

00:18:15.000 And a lot of guys get real emotional, and I was worried that Cody would come out super emotional and just get murked, like taken down.

00:18:21.000 You know how the real emotional, like Aldo did against McGregor, who just forgets about his technique and rushes and gets murked?

00:18:27.000 But dude, he just took all that and the best performance.

00:18:31.000 I mean, can you name another performance like that where a guy...

00:18:34.000 Remember, he was even number one contender.

00:18:36.000 He was five or six in the world.

00:18:37.000 I think he was eight.

00:18:38.000 Was he eight?

00:18:38.000 I thought he moved to six.

00:18:39.000 Maybe.

00:18:40.000 That might have been some shenanigans.

00:18:42.000 Yeah, right?

00:18:42.000 Who knows with the Cheeto finger rankings.

00:18:44.000 But still, motherfucker went from five, six, rank number one.

00:18:48.000 And you're like, God, that's a big stretch.

00:18:50.000 And beat him handily.

00:18:51.000 It wasn't a close decision.

00:18:51.000 Dom won one round.

00:18:52.000 Yeah.

00:18:53.000 And I love Domi when one around.

00:18:54.000 And Cody dropped him, hurt him.

00:18:56.000 We still don't exactly know where the cut came from.

00:18:59.000 Some people are saying it came from a punch.

00:19:00.000 I heard people online say it came from a kick.

00:19:02.000 Definitely not a headbutt.

00:19:04.000 The guys in the truck said it was a headbutt.

00:19:05.000 Your truck boys were off.

00:19:06.000 Because I heard when they said that, I'm like, what the fuck are they watching?

00:19:09.000 Yeah, they pulled it up for me.

00:19:11.000 But it's hard.

00:19:12.000 See, while the fight's going on, they'll do that and they'll tell me it's a headbutt.

00:19:16.000 And see, I have two monitors in front of me.

00:19:18.000 I have one right here and then I have one over the side.

00:19:20.000 And they'll say, like, look on monitor B. And then they'll show it to me.

00:19:23.000 But I can't really...

00:19:24.000 It's hard for me to do that while I'm watching the actual fight.

00:19:27.000 You know, so they'll show it to me.

00:19:28.000 And usually I just take their word for it.

00:19:30.000 But occasionally it gets...

00:19:31.000 That's fair.

00:19:32.000 But I think in the replay that they showed, maybe they saw it different and didn't show the correct one.

00:19:36.000 The replay that they showed, it definitely wasn't a headbutt.

00:19:38.000 Well, they definitely did collide heads.

00:19:40.000 For sure.

00:19:41.000 And so who knows?

00:19:42.000 It was hard to tell.

00:19:43.000 But who gives a fuck?

00:19:44.000 Either way.

00:19:45.000 It was a big-ass cut.

00:19:45.000 Big-ass cut on Dom's eyebrow.

00:19:47.000 And he got drunk.

00:19:49.000 How good is Dominic Cruz took a punch, too, by the way?

00:19:51.000 His chin?

00:19:52.000 He gets cracked.

00:19:53.000 His legs go stiff.

00:19:54.000 He goes down.

00:19:55.000 And a couple times, Cody acted almost like he wasn't going to follow him to the ground and beat on him on the ground and almost acted like he was done.

00:20:03.000 He's like calling him up or like a Mark Hunt kind of walk-off KO. You better get on him, son.

00:20:08.000 What are you doing?

00:20:09.000 Didn't even make an attempt to get on him.

00:20:10.000 That's weird, right?

00:20:11.000 Well, maybe he doesn't want to have anything to do with the ground.

00:20:13.000 Maybe he feels like that's where Dominic might have a chance.

00:20:15.000 Goddamn, it's not Bouchesha down there.

00:20:17.000 Relax, son.

00:20:18.000 I don't know what Dominic Cruz's ground game is like.

00:20:19.000 I thought he just wanted to punish him, too, maybe.

00:20:21.000 Does Dominic Cruz have any submissions?

00:20:23.000 Oh, no.

00:20:23.000 Dominic Cruz is really good on the ground.

00:20:25.000 Yeah.

00:20:25.000 Oh, hell yeah.

00:20:26.000 But I mean, on his record, does he have any submissions?

00:20:28.000 Yeah, he has submissions, usually from guillotines, though.

00:20:30.000 Back in the day, WC. His jiu-jitsu's really good, trust me.

00:20:33.000 No, no.

00:20:33.000 You trained with him?

00:20:34.000 He's a black belt for sure.

00:20:36.000 I've seen him compete.

00:20:38.000 In jiu-jitsu tournaments?

00:20:39.000 Yeah.

00:20:40.000 And he wrestled as well.

00:20:43.000 He's a wrestler.

00:20:44.000 But for a guy not to go down in his guard, that's some shit.

00:20:47.000 That's like some Conor McGregor-Dia shit where you're like, I can lose too easily down there.

00:20:52.000 Well, I mean, it might not have been that at all.

00:20:53.000 It might have been even more simple.

00:20:55.000 That's a lost, Jamie.

00:20:56.000 Oh.

00:20:58.000 Rear naked.

00:20:59.000 Yeah, so he's got a rear naked there.

00:21:01.000 He's got one rear naked.

00:21:04.000 He's not known for his guard, though, Joe.

00:21:05.000 You're right.

00:21:06.000 Well, who knows?

00:21:07.000 You still don't know what he could do, but the bottom line was Cody wanted to keep the fight standing.

00:21:11.000 I think he just wanted to punish him.

00:21:13.000 He might have thought it was over.

00:21:15.000 He might have thought the fight was over.

00:21:17.000 He seemed to, the answer for Dominic, I mean at least it worked for Cody, was it or was it not, I'm no striker, that he made Dominic come to him, and it's different when...

00:21:27.000 Correct.

00:21:28.000 Is that what it was?

00:21:29.000 Well, sort of, but it's also you've got to give credit to his team.

00:21:32.000 See, Justin Buchholz and those guys have been imitating, they've fought Dom so many times.

00:21:36.000 Six times?

00:21:36.000 They can imitate his movements.

00:21:37.000 So they can mimic his shit.

00:21:39.000 So when they're sparring, they do that fake, that false start.

00:21:43.000 Because Dom does this thing where he false starts, and then he starts.

00:21:47.000 And you never know which one's going to be a kick.

00:21:49.000 It's a lot of patterns that Dom throws up.

00:21:52.000 So they figured out how to do that, and they mimicked it.

00:21:55.000 And they watched him so many times that they can get it down to a tee.

00:21:59.000 And Cody didn't buy into the feints.

00:22:01.000 He was like, come on, come in within this range.

00:22:04.000 And he kept baiting them and baiting them and they'd make it count.

00:22:06.000 Yeah, the bottom line is if his brain's not confused and he just knows that in these exchanges Dom's going to be there and he's going to do some, you know, he's got some really unpredictable movement, Dom does, but he does like a bunch of things a lot.

00:22:18.000 And then commits.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, and so he timed those things and caught them with some fucking vicious punches, man.

00:22:24.000 Yeah, Dom fights a lot of guys and they're like, what the fuck?

00:22:29.000 It's like that Chris Tucker movie where you get in the face like, alright, which one of y'all kicked me?

00:22:32.000 And you don't know where it's coming from, but Garbrandt just never bought it.

00:22:37.000 He was like, I'm just going to wait for you to commit.

00:22:39.000 You can do all that jazz and I'm just going to wait right here.

00:22:41.000 It's also a guy's been boxing when he was real young.

00:22:44.000 That's what we were talking about last night.

00:22:45.000 He was 32-2 amateur record.

00:22:48.000 You look at that, you're like, ah.

00:22:50.000 But in the UFC, compared to other fighters, that boxing comes in handy.

00:22:56.000 Huge.

00:22:56.000 He was catching...

00:22:57.000 Cody was catching Dominic Cruz on the way out.

00:23:01.000 Mm-hmm.

00:23:02.000 Mm-hmm.

00:23:02.000 Which that's...

00:23:03.000 A lot of people don't catch him on the way out.

00:23:05.000 Never see it.

00:23:06.000 No.

00:23:06.000 He was catching him on the way out.

00:23:07.000 Bop!

00:23:08.000 And the speed and precision of those punches.

00:23:10.000 And the power.

00:23:11.000 Glorious.

00:23:12.000 For five rounds.

00:23:13.000 And then people forget Cody in high school.

00:23:15.000 I think he was first team All-State out of Ohio, which is a big deal out there.

00:23:19.000 He had scholarships compete in Division I wrestling.

00:23:23.000 He was like, nah, I'm just going to fight professionally full-time.

00:23:26.000 That's what kind of stud you're dealing with.

00:23:28.000 And his uncle was an alternate for the Olympic boxing team.

00:23:31.000 So, I mean, he comes from a long line of just savages, too.

00:23:35.000 Pretty crazy.

00:23:35.000 Yeah, his countdown piece was pretty amazing.

00:23:38.000 I didn't see it.

00:23:39.000 I wish that fighters appreciate the science of boxing more.

00:23:45.000 When GSP, one of those fights he trained with Freddie Roach, and he came back with that fucking jab, it made waves, but a lot of people didn't copy that.

00:23:54.000 Arlovsky did first and was like, nah, let's just go boosh!

00:23:57.000 You know, he's like, holy shit.

00:23:59.000 Amanda Nunes did.

00:23:59.000 Amanda Nunes, boxing trainer, is Howard Davis' son in American Top Team, so she's...

00:24:04.000 I don't know why people don't incorporate that that much more.

00:24:08.000 Like, that's just so much to learn.

00:24:09.000 You said there's three levels of striking, pretty much.

00:24:12.000 In the UFC, you know, we had a discussion last night when the jiu-jitsu guy, 170, came in.

00:24:19.000 You know, he came in.

00:24:20.000 He was a great jiu-jitsu guy.

00:24:21.000 He won a, what's his name?

00:24:23.000 The guy that triangled Chael from the top?

00:24:25.000 Damien Maia.

00:24:26.000 Damien Maia.

00:24:27.000 That guy came in.

00:24:28.000 He won the first couple matches jiu-jitsu.

00:24:31.000 Then somebody told him he was a boxer.

00:24:33.000 And he started getting lit up.

00:24:34.000 And now he's fucking back to just, hit me once, I'm gonna grab your leg and it's over.

00:24:40.000 That could be Rhonda.

00:24:41.000 That could be Rhonda.

00:24:43.000 If Rhonda just said, okay, I'm gonna take a gear off, I'm gonna go to the Olympic wrestling facility, Wherever.

00:24:51.000 Just focus on wrestling.

00:24:53.000 Still work on your striking goal with Dwayne Ludwig.

00:24:55.000 That would be awesome.

00:24:56.000 Or Rafael Cordero.

00:24:57.000 Mix it up.

00:24:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:58.000 You've got to change shit up now, obviously.

00:25:01.000 But wrestling should be the focus.

00:25:03.000 When you see a Ronda Rousey promo, you shouldn't see her hitting mitts.

00:25:07.000 You should see her shooting, getting the clinch, double leg takedowns, singles.

00:25:12.000 It should be wrestling every day, twice a day.

00:25:16.000 But think about her camp.

00:25:17.000 Her whole camp, it's just a boxing gym.

00:25:20.000 Her head coach is a boxing coach, so they want her to be this boxer.

00:25:24.000 People sold her as the next Mike Tyson.

00:25:26.000 So you have all that coming.

00:25:27.000 And she was Merkin Girls, remember?

00:25:29.000 I was on board too.

00:25:30.000 I'm like, damn, we're striking.

00:25:31.000 She's knocking bitches out.

00:25:32.000 It's the level.

00:25:33.000 It's like, what's the level she's knocking them out at?

00:25:36.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 But I think the media and a lot of people are like, dang, she's a knockout artist.

00:25:41.000 So you hear those.

00:25:42.000 And her camp's going, you're a knockout artist.

00:25:44.000 She can strike with anyone.

00:25:45.000 Right.

00:25:45.000 And her coach, like, look, that was always the case.

00:25:47.000 You remember when Gerald fought in the UFC? It was always the case when Gerald was a...

00:25:52.000 Was he a black belt back then or a brown belt?

00:25:54.000 No, he was a brown belt.

00:25:55.000 Really good jiu-jitsu guy, though.

00:25:56.000 But his fucking striking coach had him convinced that he was a Thai boxer.

00:26:01.000 He's like, you're going to go out there and get a kick.

00:26:03.000 And I remember Eddie and I would watch him hit the bag and hit the mitts and stuff.

00:26:07.000 And I was like, man, there are some scary guys in the UFC. And he got a real scary one in Josh Thompson.

00:26:13.000 Josh Thompson was like, yep, none of that.

00:26:16.000 Crack!

00:26:17.000 No, no, it didn't go down like that.

00:26:20.000 What ended up happening is Gerald's jiu-jitsu is Gerald Streben, as we're talking about.

00:26:25.000 He was my first student.

00:26:27.000 Before 10th Planet, I was teaching jiu-jitsu to a guy named Gerald Streben.

00:26:33.000 He was a blue belt at the time.

00:26:34.000 And I brought him up, showed him up.

00:26:36.000 He got really good at the Twister, really good at rubber guard.

00:26:39.000 First meat hook rubber guard triangle in MMA history in a Gladiator Challenge show.

00:26:44.000 He was kicking ass and then he fought Jean Silva in England, in London, and it was a spectacular match.

00:26:52.000 Joe showed that fight to Dana White.

00:26:56.000 Dana White gave a shot, gave Josh Thompson, boom, right off the bat.

00:26:59.000 He started working Muay Thai with this Muay Thai coach, and it was six months.

00:27:04.000 He was training six months with them, right?

00:27:06.000 And he wrestled in high school as well, so he'd been grappling total at that point.

00:27:12.000 Is that Joey?

00:27:13.000 What are you breathing into the mic?

00:27:14.000 I'm hearing some...

00:27:27.000 And it's an interesting point.

00:27:29.000 I was just thinking about this.

00:27:30.000 It's the exact same thing.

00:27:32.000 It's when I'm when a striking like let's say I got A striker.

00:27:38.000 Muay Thai came in.

00:27:39.000 He'd been doing Muay Thai for 10 years and he wanted to learn the ground.

00:27:42.000 And he was doing MMA. He's already fighting MMA. Comes up a lot.

00:27:45.000 I'm gonna show him Jiu Jitsu.

00:27:46.000 I'm gonna be in his corner.

00:27:48.000 I'm not gonna be telling him to take his ass down and work your fucking Jiu Jitsu.

00:27:52.000 Pull a guard!

00:27:54.000 It's been six months, let's relax.

00:27:57.000 What I want to see is that dude win with his Muay Thai and it gives me another fight to get his jiu-jitsu again.

00:28:05.000 The longer we avoid the jiu-jitsu, in my eyes, the better.

00:28:09.000 We got away with another one.

00:28:10.000 Now we have another four or five months to work on the jiu-jitsu.

00:28:13.000 That's a good way of looking at it.

00:28:15.000 But there's a lot of striking coaches out there that'll take some grappler in, teach him striking for six months, and then corner him in an MMA fight and instruct him to stand with this motherfucker.

00:28:29.000 Do you remember what he said?

00:28:30.000 And I gotta pull the guy to the side and say, dude, don't listen to this guy.

00:28:33.000 You're not standing with this motherfucker.

00:28:34.000 Do you remember what he said?

00:28:35.000 You know how many times I had to say that to my guys?

00:28:37.000 I go, don't listen to this motherfucker.

00:28:39.000 Always.

00:28:39.000 You're taking this I remember what he said.

00:28:44.000 Do you remember what he said to him?

00:28:45.000 He's Bangkok ready.

00:28:46.000 Yes.

00:28:47.000 In six months, he said it was Bangkok ready.

00:28:48.000 He's going to go out there.

00:28:49.000 What?

00:28:51.000 This is what ends up happening.

00:28:52.000 But you know what?

00:28:54.000 It was a good thing.

00:28:56.000 It's a good thing because this is what happened.

00:28:58.000 He had him so believing that he was Bangkok ready after six months of Muay Thai that when he did the walkout on the UFC, he came out...

00:29:06.000 Dude, with the Muay Thai thing?

00:29:08.000 Yes!

00:29:08.000 Dude, with the Muay Thai headband.

00:29:10.000 I love it.

00:29:11.000 A bicep bracelet or whatever the fuck they are.

00:29:15.000 Oh yeah, traditional shit.

00:29:15.000 Dude, full Muay Thai garb dancing and doing the Muay Thai thing.

00:29:18.000 He was in the octagon and did, you know, he went around the octagon and blessed like each.

00:29:23.000 Doing this?

00:29:23.000 Yes, doing that.

00:29:24.000 Doing this?

00:29:24.000 And Josh Thompson's sitting there, and I talked to Josh Thompson since then.

00:29:29.000 Josh Thompson wrestled in high school, and he's a really good striker.

00:29:32.000 He was fucking up people off his back.

00:29:33.000 He was triangling people.

00:29:34.000 We knew all about Josh Thompson.

00:29:36.000 Gerald was not, you know, he was not in the best frame of mind for that fight.

00:29:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:41.000 Because Josh Thompson was a fucking killer back then.

00:29:44.000 He was a killer.

00:29:44.000 Well, he was in his prime back then.

00:29:46.000 That was Josh when he was one of the top...

00:29:49.000 Like five or six guys in the division before the UFC. Before the UFC got rid of the 155-pound division, it was him and Eve Edwards.

00:29:57.000 And Eve Edwards knocked him out.

00:29:58.000 That was like Eve Edwards became the uncrowned king.

00:30:01.000 So this is what happened.

00:30:02.000 So luckily, and this is according to Josh Thompson.

00:30:06.000 Josh goes, dude, I was so worried about his standup.

00:30:10.000 Based on that Muay Thai ritual stuff, that when we saw the fight, my whole thing was how are we possibly...

00:30:17.000 No, no.

00:30:17.000 The whole thing was for sure Josh Thompson's not gonna want to go to the ground with Gerald.

00:30:22.000 That's where all his good shit is.

00:30:23.000 He's fucking people up in MMA. All his fights up until the UFC was fucking people up with his jiu-jitsu.

00:30:28.000 So how are we gonna get the fight to the ground?

00:30:30.000 We were thinking about pulling an elaborate, unorthodox guard pull.

00:30:34.000 How are we gonna do it?

00:30:35.000 That's what I was thinking.

00:30:36.000 I go, because six months, I go, I know he thinks he's Bangkok ready.

00:30:39.000 That's six months, man.

00:30:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:41.000 It's a great t-shirt.

00:30:42.000 So Josh takes him down, and I'm sitting there thinking, what the fuck?

00:30:49.000 Thank you.

00:30:50.000 He takes Gerald down because he's so worried about his Muay Thai.

00:30:54.000 And Gerald...

00:30:55.000 Dude, right away throws up a hellfire with his guard.

00:31:00.000 He threw a lot of heat.

00:31:01.000 It was pretty badass to see.

00:31:03.000 But at the end of the day, first, he almost had him in an armbar.

00:31:06.000 Josh pulls out.

00:31:07.000 And then there's like a scramble on the ground.

00:31:10.000 Gerald goes for a leg lock because he finally pulls out of his guard.

00:31:13.000 And then Gerald was really good at leg locks.

00:31:15.000 And he went for a leg lock.

00:31:16.000 And then Josh Thompson hit him like in the back of the head and knocked him out.

00:31:19.000 Josh is a killer.

00:31:21.000 Yeah, that was one of those going for leg locks is risky.

00:31:25.000 What started this all off?

00:31:28.000 Those coaches that get these fucking people convinced that they're a killer in one particular area.

00:31:34.000 You see it in every camp, though, because in every camp, especially if you have a superstar camp, This is coming from my own personal experience.

00:31:41.000 You have a superstar wrestling coach, boxing coach, jiu-jitsu coach.

00:31:45.000 You're spending your time with them.

00:31:47.000 They want to see you win with their shit.

00:31:50.000 With their shit.

00:31:51.000 And it's nice.

00:31:53.000 You see the way...

00:31:55.000 Tossed them off.

00:31:56.000 The W should be number fucking one.

00:31:58.000 It's nice when they win with some shit, of course.

00:32:00.000 Like, fuck that.

00:32:01.000 Like, you showed me that shit.

00:32:02.000 That's always good.

00:32:03.000 But it's all about the goddamn W. That's number fucking one.

00:32:06.000 That's why you gotta have, like, a head coach.

00:32:09.000 You gotta have a head coach that's not a striking coach, not a jiu-jitsu.

00:32:12.000 Like a head coach.

00:32:12.000 Like a Matt Hume.

00:32:13.000 That's a head coach.

00:32:15.000 You know, like when he works with DJ, they do everything.

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 You know, they work on submissions together, spar together.

00:32:20.000 They work on all these different techniques.

00:32:22.000 And it's total technique and tactics oriented conversations and training sessions.

00:32:28.000 How many Matt Humes are there though in the world?

00:32:29.000 There's like five.

00:32:30.000 If that.

00:32:30.000 But only one.

00:32:31.000 If that.

00:32:32.000 Honestly, it's like in my mind, it's like he, if he's not number one, it's him and Faraz Ahabi.

00:32:37.000 I count two that can do it all.

00:32:38.000 Yeah.

00:32:39.000 That really know the game in and out, can do a game plan from standing to wrestling to grappling.

00:32:44.000 Yeah, I mean, I think one guy might be better for you, one guy might be better for the other, but those are the top dogs.

00:32:50.000 There's two.

00:32:51.000 Because there's such wizards on the ground, and they can physically do it too.

00:32:55.000 That's like a big part of it.

00:32:57.000 And plus they know the transition.

00:32:58.000 Sometimes if you go to a pure jiu-jitsu guy, you're like, dude, this isn't going to work.

00:33:02.000 If I commit both hands to this, I'm going to get blasts in the face.

00:33:05.000 Do you remember when George Grigel, he was a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu back when there was very few black belts, but then he wanted to stand and bang with everybody.

00:33:13.000 And that was his thing.

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 Became his thing.

00:33:15.000 Standing and banging.

00:33:15.000 And that happens so often.

00:33:18.000 It's so crazy.

00:33:20.000 And it's so rare that a guy comes back and figures it out like Damien Maia house.

00:33:24.000 Damien Maia tried it that way for a while.

00:33:25.000 Yep.

00:33:26.000 Got sucked into it.

00:33:27.000 And then he figured it out.

00:33:28.000 And that's exactly what Rhonda should do.

00:33:30.000 What's that expression?

00:33:31.000 You go to the dance, what took you to there?

00:33:33.000 What's that expression?

00:33:34.000 I don't fucking know.

00:33:35.000 Yeah.

00:33:36.000 I know what you're trying to say.

00:33:37.000 And what happens is, a lot of early, I saw a lot of high-level jiu-jitsu guys come into the UFC that their hands are men's amends.

00:33:46.000 It's like a three striking, and they never evolved to that.

00:33:51.000 Now, the fucking striking is evolving quick.

00:33:54.000 Look at Jacare.

00:33:54.000 Quick, Jacare.

00:33:57.000 It used to be that the only black belts that got to the UFC were guys that only dedicated their lives to Jiu Jitsu.

00:34:07.000 They just started learning striking.

00:34:09.000 You could tell.

00:34:11.000 Holy shit.

00:34:12.000 They're just trying to fucking get some kind of clinch.

00:34:14.000 It's obvious.

00:34:15.000 But now, there's so many goddamn black belts in Brazil now that it's all about, you know, here's 100 black belts in the camp.

00:34:23.000 We're only going to take the best strikers, like the fierce ones.

00:34:27.000 You know, the days of pure jiu-jitsu guys coming out and looking like this, they're long gone now.

00:34:33.000 You can't get through the minor leagues with striking like that.

00:34:37.000 Well, in a way, your attitude is like, I got this.

00:34:41.000 My first three years in comedy, I didn't write shit.

00:34:44.000 I would just go up on stage and do that New York shit.

00:34:47.000 What do you do for a living?

00:34:48.000 Yeah, it was 50-50.

00:34:50.000 What do you do for a living?

00:34:52.000 You do this.

00:34:53.000 I got really good at it, but I couldn't make a living doing that.

00:34:57.000 If I'm bombing, I could fall back to that shit and rock the house.

00:35:01.000 I don't work that muscle anymore.

00:35:03.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:35:04.000 When I first started comedy, I had to go on stage every Tuesday in front of the same fucking people.

00:35:10.000 So you had to write a new five minutes.

00:35:12.000 For two years, I did that.

00:35:15.000 There was some weeks I couldn't do it.

00:35:17.000 So I just decided just to improvise.

00:35:19.000 I got so good at improvising.

00:35:20.000 By the time I got to Seattle and started featuring, I was a really good improviser.

00:35:25.000 So what are you saying about how does this equate to fighting?

00:35:27.000 I don't improvise no more because I got it!

00:35:30.000 When you first met me at the store 15 years ago, I would go on stage and do seven minutes of material, and the rest was improvising.

00:35:38.000 I thought it was cool.

00:35:39.000 It was chic, and when it works, it works.

00:35:42.000 But when it doesn't work, it's a nightmare.

00:35:45.000 But I'm pretty good at it.

00:35:46.000 I can really improvise pretty good.

00:35:48.000 Do I still do it today?

00:35:49.000 No.

00:35:50.000 Because you have to evolve.

00:35:51.000 I can fall back on it, dog.

00:35:52.000 I can fall back on my wrestling.

00:35:54.000 That's my wrestling.

00:35:55.000 That's my pedigree.

00:35:56.000 When I call you and I make you laugh on the phone, it's like that.

00:36:00.000 I didn't call you with a script.

00:36:02.000 When I call you, me and you are talking about something.

00:36:04.000 That's not a script.

00:36:05.000 That's me and you driving, getting excited.

00:36:07.000 I got that pedigree.

00:36:09.000 I could rock that pedigree, but that pedigree isn't going to take me to the next level.

00:36:12.000 You have to sit, and you have to write, and you have to evolve different things.

00:36:16.000 So I think that when I'm a wrestler, okay, I'm a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

00:36:20.000 I've been doing this since I was 18. I'm fucking 31 now.

00:36:23.000 I've won Abu Dhabi, Dubu Dhabi, Nogi Pan-Americans.

00:36:27.000 I got this.

00:36:28.000 I got this, Joe!

00:36:30.000 Yeah, I think there's two different styles of winners.

00:36:33.000 There's the all-around guy like DJ, and then there's a guy like Anderson Silva that really...

00:36:39.000 I mean, he might submit people, but it's so rare.

00:36:41.000 And when he submitted Chael Sonnen, it's almost like Chael Sonnen gave it to him.

00:36:44.000 I mean, that fucking armbar triangle combination wasn't even locked in.

00:36:49.000 It wasn't even locked in.

00:36:50.000 I mean, it was kind of over the calf a little.

00:36:52.000 It wasn't clamped down.

00:36:53.000 I mean, maybe Chael was so exhausted that he had a tap, but...

00:36:57.000 Honestly, if you ask him, he was pretty honest about having mental breakdowns in fights.

00:37:02.000 He did it with Paulo Filho.

00:37:04.000 Remember the same thing?

00:37:05.000 Chael said in the Anderson Silva fight, though, he said going in, he goes, I know I'm going to get submitted.

00:37:09.000 I'm going to get submitted.

00:37:10.000 So when he was taken down, he's in his guard for like three minutes.

00:37:12.000 He's going, it's just a matter of time.

00:37:14.000 He's going to catch me.

00:37:15.000 He's going to catch me.

00:37:15.000 Against two?

00:37:16.000 Against Anderson Silva.

00:37:18.000 Well, he had been submitted a few times in fights that he was winning.

00:37:21.000 The whole thing is weird.

00:37:24.000 But my point is, Anderson's never been a great jiu-jitsu guy.

00:37:27.000 He's a good black belt.

00:37:28.000 He tapped out Dan Henderson.

00:37:30.000 Remember that?

00:37:31.000 He beat the fuck out of him before he tapped him.

00:37:34.000 But he rocked him.

00:37:36.000 It was a beautiful technique.

00:37:37.000 That is true.

00:37:38.000 He did get his back and choke him out.

00:37:39.000 And you know what?

00:37:39.000 I disagree with you on that triangle.

00:37:40.000 That triangle was legit as hell.

00:37:42.000 Let's look at it.

00:37:43.000 Chael Sonnen versus Anderson Silva Triangle.

00:37:46.000 If I remember it correctly, it wasn't fully locked in.

00:37:49.000 There was a little bit of space.

00:37:50.000 It doesn't have to be fully locked in.

00:37:52.000 It all depends on how much you're squeezing and leg curling.

00:37:55.000 It's true.

00:37:56.000 And he has long legs, so dudes with long legs leave openings.

00:37:59.000 To Joe's point, though, he was exhausted.

00:38:01.000 But my point is, Anderson Silva's a goddamn specialist.

00:38:04.000 His specialty is Muay Thai.

00:38:06.000 His specialty is striking.

00:38:07.000 When you look at Anderson Silva's highlight reels, it's that front kick to the face on Vitor.

00:38:11.000 It's that fucking knee to the body on Stefan Bonner.

00:38:14.000 That's his gift.

00:38:15.000 So here it is.

00:38:17.000 Jale's beating the brakes off him at this point.

00:38:19.000 Yeah, this is...

00:38:20.000 Jale had a beautiful double, didn't he?

00:38:22.000 Yeah, he really did.

00:38:23.000 Jesus Christ.

00:38:24.000 He drove in so hard on that double.

00:38:26.000 He takes him down.

00:38:27.000 Shit, he fights in a couple weeks.

00:38:28.000 This is the fourth round.

00:38:30.000 Let's go to the end of the fight.

00:38:33.000 Okay, let's see this.

00:38:35.000 This is where Chael stands up and sits back.

00:38:36.000 That's tight as fuck, dude.

00:38:38.000 Let me see.

00:38:38.000 That's tight as fuck.

00:38:41.000 Oh, that's tight as fuck.

00:38:42.000 That's a lot tighter than I thought.

00:38:43.000 Well, when he finally got the arm bar, he opened up the leg.

00:38:46.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

00:38:47.000 It looked like he was about to swing the leg over the head.

00:38:49.000 I haven't seen that in a while.

00:38:50.000 Go back to that again.

00:38:51.000 But right there, it's tight as fuck.

00:38:51.000 That's pretty goddamn tight.

00:38:52.000 Look, right there.

00:38:52.000 That's tight.

00:38:53.000 I take it back, Chael.

00:38:54.000 Right when he gets the arm, that's when he opens it up.

00:38:57.000 Now it's a different thing.

00:38:58.000 Now it's an arm bar.

00:38:59.000 Yeah, there he opens it up.

00:39:00.000 Yep, that's right.

00:39:03.000 So, my point being, like, the best guys at one particular thing are pretty rare.

00:39:09.000 Like, the guys like an Anderson that is just so elite at striking that nobody wants to strike with him.

00:39:14.000 Or a guy like Damian Maia, so elite at jiu-jitsu that he makes guys like Carlos Condit look like they have no idea what they're doing.

00:39:19.000 He gets you on the ground and he makes you look like a white belt.

00:39:23.000 So there's that kind of guy that can do that.

00:39:25.000 Or there's a guy like Mighty Mouse that...

00:39:26.000 Mighty Mouse...

00:39:28.000 Although he's got really good submissions, you're not going to see that style.

00:39:32.000 He's not going to be able to submit the best jiu-jitsu guys in the world at 125 pounds, most likely, in a jiu-jitsu match.

00:39:39.000 Damian Maia probably could.

00:39:40.000 Damian Maia has the potential to beat pretty much anybody he rolls with on the mat in an actual straight-up jiu-jitsu match.

00:39:47.000 So you have two different styles.

00:39:49.000 You have that style of winner, which he's never won the title, and there's only a few guys like Anderson that have.

00:39:55.000 And Anderson...

00:39:56.000 In all due fairness, he won it, like what, in 2005?

00:40:00.000 Was that when Anderson became the champ?

00:40:03.000 Somewhere around there in the UFC? That might as well be 30 years ago.

00:40:07.000 It's a totally different class of fighter.

00:40:10.000 The evolution of the game is so fast now.

00:40:14.000 Four years ago, we were in leather helmets.

00:40:15.000 Like I would love to watch Tyron Woodley versus Damian Maia.

00:40:19.000 Love it.

00:40:20.000 I would love to watch it.

00:40:21.000 That to me is maybe one of the most interesting fights on the horizon for me.

00:40:26.000 So far Damian Maia has been able to take down wrestlers at 170. He's been able to take them all down.

00:40:31.000 Yeah.

00:40:32.000 Like easy and just with beautiful technique.

00:40:35.000 But can he do that to Woodley?

00:40:37.000 I don't know.

00:40:39.000 You got to go through the storm.

00:40:40.000 Yeah.

00:40:41.000 The storm of fucking meteors coming your way that Woodley drops on you.

00:40:45.000 Yeah.

00:40:46.000 Because he's the most dangerous in that first round when you're trying to take him down, you're closing the distance on him, and you haven't figured out how fast he is yet.

00:40:55.000 He doesn't just hit hard.

00:40:56.000 He's fucking fast.

00:40:58.000 I saw some rumor, I'm sure, but Bisping was talking about it.

00:41:03.000 Him and Woodley agreeing to a super fight at 180. Really?

00:41:07.000 Bisping and Woodley.

00:41:08.000 Really?

00:41:10.000 When did they agree to this?

00:41:12.000 I was talking to my brother this morning.

00:41:13.000 He was like, you see Woodley and Bisping?

00:41:15.000 Want to do that catchweight at 180?

00:41:17.000 I'm like, what?

00:41:17.000 That's an interesting fight.

00:41:18.000 First of all, can Bisping make that healthy?

00:41:21.000 That's what I was thinking, because I feel like 85 is a tough cut for him.

00:41:24.000 Remember when he used to fight 205?

00:41:25.000 Oh yeah.

00:41:25.000 He won the Ultimate Fighter at 205. Wow, that's an interesting fight.

00:41:29.000 Well, I think what Woodley wants is that big payday.

00:41:32.000 How could you not?

00:41:33.000 Yeah, I mean, he's campaigning for it.

00:41:35.000 Look at this.

00:41:35.000 Mike Bisbee and Tylan Woodley agree to catch a weight bout.

00:41:38.000 This is legit?

00:41:40.000 So this just happened today?

00:41:41.000 That's on the internet.

00:41:43.000 What is the name of the lowkickmma.com?

00:41:47.000 Interesting.

00:41:48.000 That's Bisbee's Instagram?

00:41:51.000 Very interesting.

00:41:52.000 Very interesting.

00:41:54.000 Gangster weight, as Chael Sonnen calls it.

00:41:56.000 Yeah, I like it.

00:41:57.000 I like it.

00:41:58.000 But to your point, Woodley just wants a big fight for a lucrative payday.

00:42:02.000 He wants the biggest name possible to get paid.

00:42:05.000 Yeah, smart.

00:42:05.000 That's the name of the game.

00:42:07.000 Yeah, and Anderson has still been calling for a rematch with Bisping too, because his fight with Bisping was so fucking close in England, he feels like he beat him.

00:42:16.000 That was one of the craziest situations ever.

00:42:18.000 That was so weird.

00:42:19.000 He hits him with that flying knee, KOs him.

00:42:21.000 I mean, Bisping was out.

00:42:23.000 He went out.

00:42:23.000 He dropped.

00:42:24.000 And Anderson does a walk-off KO, and they go, eh, not so quick.

00:42:28.000 It was so weird.

00:42:29.000 It was so weird.

00:42:31.000 Watch that.

00:42:32.000 Get a video of that.

00:42:33.000 Because remember, Bisping takes a break because his mouthpiece falls out, and he's talking to the ref, and Anderson goes, yeah!

00:42:39.000 Oh, that's right.

00:42:40.000 Remember?

00:42:41.000 He was trying to get the referee's attention, and Anderson flying-kneed him in the face.

00:42:45.000 And wasn't the ref, like, coming in to stop it?

00:42:47.000 Then Anderson did that flying-kneed?

00:42:49.000 That's why the ref was like, hold up.

00:42:50.000 No, that doesn't count.

00:42:51.000 Yeah, let's look at that.

00:42:52.000 I'm trying to remember.

00:42:53.000 It was a very weird scenario.

00:42:54.000 Bisping boxed his fucking face off, though.

00:42:55.000 Yeah, like he's saying something.

00:42:58.000 It's Herb Dean.

00:42:59.000 Look, he's like, right there, right there.

00:43:00.000 Boom!

00:43:01.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:43:03.000 That was also the end of the round, too, right?

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:05.000 Oh, my God.

00:43:06.000 Jesus.

00:43:06.000 Look at this again.

00:43:07.000 He's like, hey, let me get my mouthpiece.

00:43:10.000 Oh, boy.

00:43:12.000 Shit.

00:43:12.000 Oh, boy.

00:43:13.000 Damn.

00:43:14.000 Look at this.

00:43:15.000 Boom!

00:43:16.000 That is such a crazy drop, too, the way he get hit.

00:43:18.000 You know what?

00:43:19.000 I think he would have thrown the knee regardless, whether he looked to the side or not.

00:43:23.000 I think he would have thrown it regardless.

00:43:25.000 And it wasn't like Bisping put his hands down.

00:43:27.000 He looked over, but he was still covered up.

00:43:29.000 Here's the crazy thing.

00:43:30.000 I don't know about that.

00:43:30.000 I think he was a little distracted there, for sure.

00:43:32.000 Here's the crazy thing.

00:43:33.000 Bisping comes back and wins that fucking fight and boxes his face off.

00:43:38.000 How's he win that next round?

00:43:39.000 I think that was the third round, right?

00:43:40.000 He comes out that fourth round and boxes his face off.

00:43:43.000 Crazy.

00:43:44.000 Like a fucking kangaroo.

00:43:46.000 Crazy recovery.

00:43:47.000 Crazy.

00:43:48.000 His cardio is insane.

00:43:50.000 Yeah, because most people get hit like that, that's it, man.

00:43:52.000 That's game over!

00:43:53.000 Yeah, it's game over.

00:43:54.000 I mean, his body shut off and he dropped like gravity.

00:43:57.000 Give us a second.

00:43:59.000 And we're back, Box.

00:44:00.000 Is he partially blind in one eye or completely?

00:44:03.000 Partially, yeah.

00:44:04.000 But he can still sort of see.

00:44:05.000 He's crooked as fuck.

00:44:06.000 He can see enough where they let him fight.

00:44:08.000 Hmm.

00:44:09.000 I mean, he does those eye tests.

00:44:11.000 They have to do eye tests.

00:44:12.000 Apparently what they did is they put some kind of oil in his eye, and that oil protects his retina somehow or another, and that's why it looks so crazy.

00:44:20.000 And once he's done fighting, then they'll fix it.

00:44:22.000 But the problem is, if he gets it fixed now, and then he goes and fights again and tears it even worse.

00:44:27.000 And then the other thing is, the more time he waits, the more advanced all this stem cell shit is getting.

00:44:34.000 They brought someone's vision back with stem cells.

00:44:37.000 A blind guy, right?

00:44:38.000 Yeah, someone was blind and they injected stem cells in this guy's eye and brought his vision back.

00:44:43.000 And that's today, 2017. What's it going to be like five, six, seven years down the line?

00:44:48.000 I mean, he's going to be retired by then, though.

00:44:50.000 I would hope he'd be retired in three or four.

00:44:52.000 I mean, I think he's 39 now, right?

00:44:54.000 How old is Michael?

00:44:56.000 Yeah.

00:44:57.000 He might not be that old.

00:44:58.000 I might be upping him up a bit.

00:45:00.000 Would you say 36?

00:45:01.000 He might be 36. He might be 36, 37. 37. I don't think he has three years left.

00:45:07.000 Well, he might.

00:45:08.000 Look, the guy's so fucking game.

00:45:10.000 You know, Michael Bisping does not have any extraordinary physical attributes.

00:45:14.000 Not that he's not a great athlete.

00:45:15.000 He certainly is.

00:45:16.000 Not that he's not a very good fighter.

00:45:17.000 He certainly is.

00:45:17.000 Cardio.

00:45:18.000 If you look at a guy like Rumble, extraordinary physical attributes.

00:45:22.000 John Lineker, extraordinary physical attributes.

00:45:24.000 What Michael Bisping has is just toughness.

00:45:27.000 Just game as fuck, toughness.

00:45:30.000 Knock him out, he comes back, and he just keeps coming back.

00:45:33.000 He has no quit.

00:45:34.000 He has no quit.

00:45:35.000 And he has great cardio.

00:45:36.000 He has no quit.

00:45:37.000 Amazing cardio.

00:45:38.000 Ryan Parson says in the gym, he said he's never seen a guy that hates getting tapped and hates losing, exchanges more than Michael Pittsburgh.

00:45:45.000 I've never seen anything like it.

00:45:46.000 Even just, you know how you do your normal warm-up, like if you're doing underhooks, he's going 100% nonstop.

00:45:53.000 Like how the fuck?

00:45:53.000 Slow down, son.

00:45:54.000 I want him the title, man.

00:45:55.000 I want him the fucking title.

00:45:57.000 And he gets better and better.

00:45:59.000 You watch him improve fight.

00:46:02.000 Look at his boxing.

00:46:03.000 His boxing's ridiculous, man.

00:46:05.000 He outboxed Anderson Silva.

00:46:08.000 Knocked out Luke Rockhold.

00:46:09.000 Luke Rockhold looked disdainful in that fight.

00:46:12.000 Like, come on, man.

00:46:13.000 He was pissed.

00:46:15.000 He had to show up for that fight.

00:46:16.000 Yeah, he was like disdainful that that was his challenge.

00:46:19.000 And he got murked.

00:46:20.000 And he got murked.

00:46:22.000 And Bisping was shooting XXX19 in Toronto.

00:46:26.000 I was like, huh?

00:46:26.000 Y'all be down there in four days.

00:46:28.000 Deuce, world champ!

00:46:29.000 What a great fucking story!

00:46:31.000 It's the best story.

00:46:32.000 And you've been fighting for ten years!

00:46:33.000 The best story.

00:46:34.000 I fucking love Bisping.

00:46:35.000 And then beats Dan Henderson in a close decision for this fucking fight.

00:46:39.000 That was a fucking fight.

00:46:40.000 You forget about that fight when we talk about fights of the year.

00:46:42.000 Oh yeah.

00:46:42.000 That fight was so good.

00:46:44.000 So good.

00:46:45.000 And again, his cardio.

00:46:46.000 Yeah.

00:46:47.000 He landed the H-bomb twice.

00:46:49.000 Yeah, landed it.

00:46:50.000 That English zombie popped back up and just starts fucking boxing.

00:46:54.000 He's fucking crazy.

00:46:56.000 He's got nothing but heart, that dude.

00:46:57.000 So much heart.

00:46:59.000 I'm going to tell you something.

00:46:59.000 I had a funny feeling about Luke Rockhold.

00:47:02.000 How dare you?

00:47:02.000 I didn't think Luke was taking it seriously.

00:47:05.000 How could you?

00:47:06.000 Bisping on four days?

00:47:07.000 I didn't think he was.

00:47:07.000 And I'm like, this guy's been fighting for fucking years.

00:47:12.000 All he needs is one shot.

00:47:14.000 But Bisbee's not even a knockout artist.

00:47:16.000 The betting odds for him to knock Luke Rockle down the first round, I have no idea.

00:47:20.000 Let me tell you something.

00:47:20.000 If my daughter catches you with one of those swinging overhand punches and clips the tip of your chin, you got a problem.

00:47:27.000 Hey, Brian told me he went to this new boxing gym, and the guy's like, hey, mind if this girl, he's going to kill me for telling the story, you mind if this girl jumps in there and spars some rounds?

00:47:36.000 And Brian's like, sure.

00:47:37.000 Sure.

00:47:38.000 He starts to move around.

00:47:39.000 This bitch is dead serious.

00:47:40.000 He hits him with the right hand.

00:47:43.000 Brian was like, oh, shit.

00:47:45.000 He said he's like a little wobbled.

00:47:46.000 I'm like, bro, if anyone catches you flush, man, you're going to be in for a long night.

00:47:51.000 Especially the point of the chin, the way Rockhold caught.

00:47:53.000 And Bisping swung it over the shoulder.

00:47:56.000 It was a beautiful left hook.

00:47:58.000 He stepped in with it and just whipped it over the top.

00:48:00.000 And it was something that him and Perillo had seen in Rockhold's game.

00:48:04.000 Perillo's coach of the year.

00:48:05.000 Very good coach.

00:48:05.000 Hands down coach of the year.

00:48:06.000 That used to be Tito But he's his coach.

00:48:08.000 He still is.

00:48:09.000 He worked with BJ. He's worked with a lot of guys.

00:48:13.000 BJ, Tito, Chris Cyborg, and Michael Bisbee.

00:48:16.000 Yeah, he's a quiet guy in terms of, like, he's not out there trying to get a lot of publicity.

00:48:20.000 He's not a tension whore.

00:48:22.000 He's just an excellent boxing coach.

00:48:24.000 Really knows his shit.

00:48:25.000 I'm impressed with that guy.

00:48:27.000 As far as boxing, probably the best in the game.

00:48:27.000 Yeah, one of the best in the game.

00:48:28.000 And good at adapting it for MMA, too.

00:48:31.000 You know, he understands MMA. And it's like, you know, it's like there's those camps that do it.

00:48:37.000 You know when I hear something fucking crazy that Woodley told me the other day?

00:48:40.000 Would love to.

00:48:41.000 I went to dinner with Woodley and Mighty Mouse and some dude and his wife who won the, they won some VIP thing, the UFC thing, and we met them, Del Grate and I had dinner with them.

00:48:52.000 Woodley didn't have a fucking head coach.

00:48:54.000 He coached himself up until the Calvin Gaslam fight.

00:48:57.000 The Calvin Gaslam fight was the first fight that he worked with Duke Rufus.

00:49:01.000 And he was trying to figure out if he was going to go to ATT or if he was going to work with Duke Rufus.

00:49:04.000 I thought he was at ATT before all that.

00:49:06.000 His son.

00:49:07.000 No, he never had a head coach who'd go down there and do a camp.

00:49:09.000 What the fuck was he thinking?

00:49:10.000 Just talented.

00:49:12.000 Talented and just figuring it out on his own.

00:49:14.000 His son told him to go to Chicago.

00:49:17.000 How old's his son?

00:49:18.000 Milwaukee, rather.

00:49:19.000 How old's his son?

00:49:19.000 He was a little kid.

00:49:21.000 This little kid told him he had the idea that his dad, he should go.

00:49:24.000 He goes, and I got it.

00:49:25.000 He goes, it was like 15 below zero.

00:49:26.000 Got in my fucking car and drove to Milwaukee.

00:49:29.000 And then he won, he beat Calvin, and then he's won every fight since then and won the title.

00:49:34.000 This day and age, you have to have that head coach.

00:49:36.000 You have to have all bases covered, man.

00:49:39.000 You can't be distracted with this.

00:49:40.000 You can't be doing this over here.

00:49:42.000 You can't live here and then fly in just for your camp.

00:49:44.000 You can't decide to get serious six weeks before.

00:49:47.000 People are too good.

00:49:48.000 Imagine the NFL did that.

00:49:50.000 Imagine if Tom Brady was like, I'm going to do this even though I'm in C's, and then right before training camp starts, I'm going to get serious.

00:49:56.000 They can't.

00:49:57.000 You just can't, man.

00:49:58.000 Yeah, and Duke's another guy that doesn't get enough credit because he's another guy that's pretty quiet.

00:50:02.000 Like, Duke Rufus is not out there trying to make a lot of noise and get a lot of people to pay attention to him.

00:50:07.000 He's just an awesome striking coach.

00:50:09.000 Amazing striking coach.

00:50:10.000 I think the reason why maybe he doesn't get enough credit with Woodley is because of what's going on with Pettis.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:16.000 That's the only reason.

00:50:17.000 Pettis is in a weird state, huh, man?

00:50:19.000 I mean, he can't fight at 145. He's just too weak.

00:50:21.000 It's not for him.

00:50:22.000 He just can't take it.

00:50:23.000 You know, you watch that fight and it's like, God, Max Holloway just beat the fuck out of him.

00:50:27.000 But look, I don't get why he went to 45. Look at his losses at 55. It's like, it's not that bad.

00:50:32.000 You're talking about split decisions and decisions.

00:50:34.000 It's really not that bad.

00:50:35.000 You obviously can compete in the top five there.

00:50:38.000 He definitely competed and could actually go the full distance while getting beat up.

00:50:42.000 Whereas at 45, his body was breaking down.

00:50:45.000 And he even said, he goes, I did everything in my power to make weight, I just, my body shut down.

00:50:49.000 I don't know what to tell you guys.

00:50:50.000 Maybe he should just go fucking heavy.

00:50:53.000 Just start strength and conditioning work.

00:50:55.000 Start fucking, you know, doing deadlifts and shit.

00:50:57.000 Beef his body up.

00:50:58.000 Because if you look at Dos Anjos, there's Dos Anjos before, um, like, Habib Nurmagomedov, and then there's Dos Anjos afterwards.

00:51:06.000 You mean, you mean the USADA? I don't know what you're saying.

00:51:08.000 You're talking about the USADA? I don't know who you are.

00:51:11.000 Johnny Hendricks.

00:51:11.000 I don't know who you are.

00:51:12.000 I don't know who you are.

00:51:13.000 But there is absolutely a difference when a guy gets on a serious strength and conditioning routine, regardless of Mexican supplements.

00:51:21.000 He went with Nick Curzon.

00:51:23.000 And Nick Curzon, you ever see the videos of Rafael Dos Anjos and Curzon working out?

00:51:26.000 Yeah, doing work.

00:51:27.000 Curzon is a beast.

00:51:28.000 He has guys doing crazy shit.

00:51:31.000 He's got you doing all that Marv Marinovich shit where you got all this footwork stuff and he believes in like foot strength above all, all plyometrics, all these explosive box jumps and shit, all this crazy fucking burpees and all the nutty explosive sprinting back and forth type stuff.

00:51:47.000 That's the shit you need.

00:51:48.000 I love that meathead chick.

00:51:50.000 For a while, remember Carlos Kondo was climbing on trees and shit and fucking Connor was doing all this weird stuff and then all of a sudden just the meathead movement is bad.

00:52:00.000 The meathead movement?

00:52:01.000 How's that?

00:52:02.000 Like, in what way?

00:52:02.000 That training.

00:52:03.000 Kershaw's not a meathead.

00:52:04.000 I wouldn't say that's a meathead movement at all.

00:52:06.000 I think that's the opposite.

00:52:08.000 No, no, no.

00:52:08.000 What I'm saying is that raw power, that strength condition, you can't make up for that by climbing on trees and doing this weird yoga movement and all that shit.

00:52:15.000 There's room for that.

00:52:17.000 That's all good, but you gotta be able to move.

00:52:19.000 It can't be your focus.

00:52:19.000 It can't be your fucking focus.

00:52:21.000 But Conor, what Conor's been able to do is develop, like, extremely agile, back-and-forth movement.

00:52:30.000 And I think a lot of that is that Edore Portal guy.

00:52:33.000 I've got to admit that as weird as his stuff looks when he's flipping around, doing all these jumps, if you can move your body like that, that's going to directly translate into your footwork and your movement.

00:52:44.000 I'd give more credit to his head coach.

00:52:45.000 100%.

00:52:46.000 I mean, Jon Cavanaugh is a wizard.

00:52:48.000 As far as his movement.

00:52:48.000 Speaking of UFC 207, you know who the biggest winner is?

00:52:51.000 Who?

00:52:52.000 Conor McGregor.

00:52:53.000 How so?

00:52:53.000 He's the only star.

00:52:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:55.000 He's the only megastar and goes...

00:52:56.000 He gets all the stock.

00:52:57.000 You fellas, you want to talk now or what do you want to do?

00:53:00.000 Because I'm the only guy left.

00:53:01.000 Well, how about this?

00:53:02.000 It's that and then the next pay-per-view is Holly Holm versus Jermaine Derandamay, which is...

00:53:10.000 It's a tough sell, right?

00:53:12.000 And it's a very good fight.

00:53:13.000 I would buy it as a hardcore fan.

00:53:15.000 I'll buy it for sure.

00:53:16.000 For sure.

00:53:17.000 But the bottom line is...

00:53:18.000 You and me and 100,000 people, Will.

00:53:22.000 Yeah.

00:53:23.000 Yeah.

00:53:23.000 It ain't gonna be Conor McGregor numbers, right?

00:53:26.000 Bottom line.

00:53:27.000 Conor, when she lost, and I'm sure he likes Ronda by a bit, business-wise, he's like, excellent.

00:53:34.000 Excellent.

00:53:34.000 Well, it's a tricky situation now with the marketing campaign, the WMME put together for this that was so Ronda heavy, and then Ronda gets smashed, and now what are you going to do for it?

00:53:48.000 You're going to, like, the girl who smashed Ronda?

00:53:50.000 Is that what Amanda gets for her next title fight?

00:53:52.000 You do a press tour, a world press tour with her, like, let's introduce you to the girl who beat the shit out of Ronda now.

00:53:57.000 She's not fighting, let's do So they try to piggyback on Ronda again and show the beating.

00:54:04.000 Well, you know, she sort of retired two legends in the sport.

00:54:09.000 That's why she's my fighter of the year.

00:54:10.000 She retired Misha, and then she retired Ronda.

00:54:12.000 If Ronda retires, that's huge.

00:54:15.000 She retired both of them.

00:54:16.000 All of a sudden, Amanda is Nate Diaz.

00:54:19.000 Did you see Kat Zingano posted on Instagram that Amanda blocked her?

00:54:23.000 Because Kat Zingano stopped Amanda.

00:54:25.000 And Amanda was hurting Kat Zingano bad in the first round.

00:54:30.000 Real bad.

00:54:31.000 Kat was in big fucking trouble.

00:54:32.000 But she survived and went on to stop Amanda.

00:54:35.000 And I love Kat, but all fucking Amanda could do is be like, you lost to the chick I just beat in 17 seconds.

00:54:41.000 Yeah, but she got caught in an arm bar.

00:54:43.000 How did Amanda lose that fight?

00:54:45.000 I don't remember that one.

00:54:45.000 She beat her down.

00:54:46.000 She beat her down the third round.

00:54:47.000 Kat got on top and started blasting her.

00:54:49.000 Did she kind of gasp?

00:54:50.000 No.

00:54:51.000 Well, she kind of gasped, but Kat is ferocious.

00:54:53.000 Kat beat Amanda.

00:54:55.000 You know that fucking scream?

00:54:57.000 There's a recording of Kat Zingano screaming after she won that fight.

00:55:03.000 And it's so primal, dude.

00:55:06.000 It's like an animal scream.

00:55:07.000 I think you played it before on the podcast.

00:55:09.000 Yeah, because it was like when she did it, I was like, whew, there's some shit you hear.

00:55:15.000 That's it.

00:55:16.000 That's her.

00:55:16.000 Come on, man.

00:55:18.000 You can't fake that.

00:55:20.000 That's in your bones, man.

00:55:22.000 That's in your soul.

00:55:23.000 Remember that's after all that darkness she dealt with with her husband committing suicide and just all this darkness.

00:55:28.000 How long ago was that?

00:55:29.000 That was after that.

00:55:31.000 That was the fight.

00:55:32.000 Play that again, Jamie.

00:55:34.000 Play that again.

00:55:35.000 Listen to this shit.

00:55:42.000 That shit makes me nervous.

00:55:48.000 She's fucking ferocious.

00:55:50.000 But Brendan, to answer your question from before, not to interrupt you, they're sitting on a fucking gold mine, William Morris now, with this fucking Amanda Nunes.

00:56:00.000 I told you last night, she's part of the LBGT community, Jack.

00:56:04.000 Great story.

00:56:04.000 That's deep fucking pockets, okay?

00:56:07.000 That's deep pockets.

00:56:09.000 It's LBGTQA now.

00:56:11.000 What is that?

00:56:12.000 God damn.

00:56:13.000 What is that?

00:56:13.000 Gotta keep up.

00:56:14.000 Lesbians.

00:56:15.000 Gays.

00:56:17.000 Transsexuals.

00:56:17.000 I don't know how transsexuals get lumped in there.

00:56:19.000 They just hit the fucking lottery ticket.

00:56:20.000 They just hit the fucking lottery ticket.

00:56:22.000 Asexuals are in there, too.

00:56:22.000 Because they had Liz Karmouche before that.

00:56:24.000 But Liz Karmouche didn't beat up fucking Ronda Rousey.

00:56:26.000 She was still lesbian.

00:56:27.000 It helps, but Liz Karmouche wasn't the champion.

00:56:30.000 Once you're the champion, it's everything.

00:56:33.000 And when Liz Karmouche fought Ronda, she fought her at the first fight when no one knew who Ronda was.

00:56:38.000 So Ronda has all this hype behind her.

00:56:40.000 She wins that fight and then goes on.

00:56:42.000 And Liz has done well in the UFC, but having that...

00:56:46.000 It's not the same.

00:56:47.000 You know who Tanya Evinger is?

00:56:49.000 She fights for Invicta.

00:56:50.000 She's awesome.

00:56:51.000 Have you ever seen her fight, Tanya Evinger?

00:56:53.000 Very tough.

00:56:53.000 I don't think so.

00:56:54.000 She is badass.

00:56:55.000 She's an Invicta.

00:56:56.000 She's super tough.

00:56:57.000 She's really good.

00:56:58.000 And she's openly gay, too.

00:57:01.000 And what weight is she?

00:57:02.000 She's hilarious, man.

00:57:03.000 I love that chick.

00:57:04.000 She's like 135. 135, 145. She's good, man.

00:57:08.000 There's going to be more...

00:57:10.000 It's the same thing we were talking about.

00:57:11.000 Like, when Anderson was in his prime, when he was just lighting people on fire, the vision was like...

00:57:16.000 There wasn't...

00:57:17.000 You know, you had, like, Patrick Cote.

00:57:18.000 He had a couple of fights for the title.

00:57:20.000 Talos Latis, where, like, there's no one...

00:57:22.000 Rich Franklin.

00:57:23.000 There's no...

00:57:23.000 Well, Rich Franklin was the champ, but there's no...

00:57:27.000 Overwhelming need to see that fight.

00:57:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:30.000 Like you want to see the fight because I'm interested to see.

00:57:32.000 Patrick's got a great chin.

00:57:33.000 He's got power.

00:57:34.000 Let's see what happens.

00:57:35.000 But it's not like, oh, here's the next one.

00:57:38.000 It's like Cody Garbrandt fighting Dominick Cruz.

00:57:40.000 You were like, oh, let's see what happens here.

00:57:42.000 There was no one like that for Anderson for a long ass time.

00:57:46.000 And I think in the women's bantamweight division, you got a kind of similar situation now.

00:57:51.000 It's like, now you have Amanda Nunes who beats the shit out of Misha.

00:57:55.000 Misha's gonna step back.

00:57:56.000 She's gone now.

00:57:57.000 She beats the shit out of Ronda.

00:57:59.000 Ronda steps back.

00:58:01.000 Holly goes up to 145. Holly's gonna fight Jermaine Duran to make.

00:58:04.000 They gotta change that shit.

00:58:05.000 Why not have Amanda fight for both belts?

00:58:08.000 How about Amanda going home to save that card?

00:58:10.000 Fuck yeah.

00:58:11.000 I mean, make some moves.

00:58:13.000 Have you seen the card?

00:58:14.000 Well, no.

00:58:15.000 Holly's the headliner.

00:58:18.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:58:18.000 Holly's fighting Jermaine Duran to me for the $145.

00:58:20.000 I think they should give Jermaine Demand-Jermaine $500,000 to chill out.

00:58:26.000 Nuna's already beat her, by the way.

00:58:28.000 Nunez beat who?

00:58:29.000 I thought Nunez already beat Jermaine Durand.

00:58:33.000 Yeah, she beat her in the UFC. Yeah, Jermaine is a wicked kickboxer.

00:58:38.000 She's a world-class, multiple-time world champion kickboxer.

00:58:42.000 I think she won the world Muay Thai title on several occasions.

00:58:47.000 She's really elite as a Muay Thai fighter.

00:58:49.000 It's a fun fight.

00:58:50.000 Big gloves.

00:58:52.000 Stand up.

00:58:52.000 Always stand up.

00:58:53.000 There's no ground.

00:58:55.000 And as soon as she got in the UFC, you could see that transition between learning the striking with takedowns versus just fighting in a kickboxing bout.

00:59:05.000 It's a big transition.

00:59:06.000 It takes time, too.

00:59:07.000 But you're also going against people who aren't going to give you the time.

00:59:09.000 Exactly.

00:59:10.000 They're just fucking shooting it on her and beating her up and taking her down.

00:59:13.000 It's just a different sport.

00:59:14.000 Who's on that card?

00:59:15.000 I thought the card was pretty good.

00:59:16.000 It's in Brooklyn, yes?

00:59:17.000 Travis Brown is fighting Derek Lewis.

00:59:19.000 That's an interesting fight.

00:59:20.000 But what's, you know, I mean, where's Travis's head at right now?

00:59:24.000 He's staying in the same camp, isn't he?

00:59:26.000 Yes.

00:59:26.000 God damn it, Travis.

00:59:28.000 Yeah.

00:59:28.000 Holly Holm versus Amanda Nunes.

00:59:30.000 That's the fight right there.

00:59:31.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:59:32.000 I think at 135, that's a fucking wow fight.

00:59:34.000 They should do that for this card.

00:59:36.000 No, make Amanda the two-belt champion.

00:59:38.000 But then you have to remember that Valentina Shevchenko just beat Holly and beat her up stand-up.

00:59:43.000 Holly's come off two losses.

00:59:44.000 Yeah, and Valentina beat her up stand-up with that check-right hook.

00:59:48.000 That's the fight we should see.

00:59:50.000 Yeah, they put those two together.

00:59:52.000 They need help with this card.

00:59:54.000 The problem is most people, even though Valentina won, they don't know who she is yet.

00:59:57.000 Even though she won.

00:59:59.000 I mean, she needs a few more victories inside the UFC in order to get people excited about it.

01:00:02.000 Is this pay-per-view?

01:00:03.000 This is pay-per-view.

01:00:04.000 Brooklyn.

01:00:04.000 The only reason people know Holly, too, is they don't know her past losses, really.

01:00:09.000 Granted, her fight was on Fox, but all they know is she's the girl that knocked out Ronda.

01:00:12.000 That's what's selling this.

01:00:13.000 Eddie, bro, are you trying to say that this isn't going to get your last 60 bucks?

01:00:16.000 I'm just saying that...

01:00:17.000 I will illegally stream it like I did the last one.

01:00:19.000 Amanda Nunes just fought for 45 seconds.

01:00:22.000 She's fresh.

01:00:23.000 Have her headline that card.

01:00:25.000 Hey man, let's build her up.

01:00:26.000 Where's the fire?

01:00:27.000 What are you talking about?

01:00:28.000 Where's the fire?

01:00:29.000 Is that the Super Bowl card?

01:00:31.000 Yeah.

01:00:32.000 Damn.

01:00:32.000 I agree with Eddie.

01:00:34.000 I'm not saying nothing.

01:00:36.000 I'm not saying nothing.

01:00:37.000 I'm just saying...

01:00:38.000 No, no.

01:00:38.000 Super Bowl weekend is in Houston.

01:00:39.000 It's a different card.

01:00:41.000 Oh, it is?

01:00:41.000 Yeah.

01:00:42.000 Oh, they changed it.

01:00:43.000 I don't think they have that card locked up either, by the way.

01:00:45.000 I think they're still moving fights around for that Brooklyn card because I think they recognize that they need a little bit more juice on that card.

01:00:51.000 So there's no Super Bowl card in Vegas this year?

01:00:55.000 No, it's not in Vegas.

01:00:56.000 It's in Houston this year.

01:00:57.000 And the Super Bowl's in Houston.

01:00:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:59.000 Is it Super Bowl in Houston or Dallas?

01:01:01.000 I thought it was Dallas.

01:01:02.000 Is it Houston?

01:01:03.000 I know it's Texas.

01:01:04.000 Texas.

01:01:05.000 So they'll have a big card for the UFC there.

01:01:09.000 Hey, man.

01:01:10.000 That's a great fight.

01:01:11.000 If you want my money.

01:01:11.000 All they have right now is Bermudez and Chan Sung Jung.

01:01:14.000 That's a good fight, but what day is that?

01:01:16.000 That would sell seven pay-per-views right now.

01:01:18.000 February 5th?

01:01:19.000 4th?

01:01:20.000 Super Bowl's on the 5th.

01:01:20.000 The 4th.

01:01:22.000 They need to throw Amanda on one of those cards.

01:01:24.000 I'm not there for that.

01:01:25.000 You need to slow down, sir.

01:01:27.000 Jesus Christ, what are we doing over here?

01:01:28.000 That's a Super Bowl card and it's a fight night?

01:01:31.000 What's the Super Bowl weekend?

01:01:34.000 Super Bowl weekend?

01:01:35.000 The 29th?

01:01:37.000 The game is on the 5th.

01:01:38.000 Yeah, that's the night before.

01:01:39.000 It's a free fight night.

01:01:42.000 Super Bowl weekend has always been a pay-per-view UFC. It's usually been in Vegas.

01:01:47.000 I wonder what they're doing, man.

01:01:49.000 Well, you know what, man?

01:01:50.000 Who's gonna headline cards right now?

01:01:51.000 Who would sell a pay-per-view?

01:01:52.000 It's a good fucking question.

01:01:53.000 There's a lot of stars out there.

01:01:56.000 No heavyweights other than Stipe Miocic that can sell a big card right now.

01:02:00.000 And he has to sell it in Cleveland, too.

01:02:02.000 There's a lot of stars out there.

01:02:03.000 There's a lot of stars out there.

01:02:05.000 That would sell a pay-per-view, Eddie.

01:02:07.000 Which ones?

01:02:09.000 Serious.

01:02:10.000 And just like, give me three.

01:02:12.000 And go.

01:02:13.000 Well, Amanda Nunez really didn't...

01:02:15.000 I mean, she put in 45 seconds.

01:02:17.000 Robbie Wall was ready.

01:02:18.000 They should take advantage.

01:02:19.000 I mean, you want...

01:02:20.000 I'm talking about legit pay-per-view sellers.

01:02:22.000 Honestly, there's Conor McGregor and then there's everybody else, right?

01:02:25.000 Correct.

01:02:25.000 There was a thing that they showed the other day that Conor, in three fights, drew more pay-per-view than the entire UFC roster in 2014. Yeah.

01:02:34.000 His three worst gates and papers of all time beat Ronda's best and Brock Lesnar's best.

01:02:40.000 Yeah, he's the best.

01:02:41.000 He's the biggest, for sure.

01:02:42.000 Are you guys arguing?

01:02:44.000 No, no, you're not arguing.

01:02:45.000 But some people are.

01:02:46.000 No, I'm just looking at you like this.

01:02:47.000 Dana's argued it, right?

01:02:49.000 Yeah, he goes, Ronda's the biggest star, and Conor's like, No.

01:02:52.000 What Rhonda is, is like, here's what's different.

01:02:54.000 When Rhonda's face came on the screen the first time in Vegas this weekend, I heard young girls scream.

01:03:01.000 That's all I heard.

01:03:02.000 I heard young girls.

01:03:03.000 It was like Justin Bieber pulled his dick out.

01:03:06.000 It was like...

01:03:07.000 How about that motherfucker's talking shit?

01:03:09.000 How about Bieber's talking shit?

01:03:11.000 I know.

01:03:11.000 He made a tweet that said, you just got knocked the fuck out.

01:03:14.000 Hey Bieber, sing your fucking songs and beat it, nerd.

01:03:17.000 What?

01:03:18.000 That dude's so silly.

01:03:19.000 You don't even write your own music.

01:03:20.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

01:03:21.000 That dude's so silly.

01:03:22.000 That's what I can't stand.

01:03:23.000 When people aren't involved in the game, they say stuff like that.

01:03:26.000 It's like, what have you ever done to risk your...

01:03:28.000 What are you talking about?

01:03:30.000 Yeah.

01:03:31.000 Damn.

01:03:32.000 It got 239,000 likes.

01:03:35.000 And it's because Ronda, she was at some concert or something and her little sister wanted to meet Bieber and he didn't have time.

01:03:41.000 So then she got mad.

01:03:42.000 Remember that?

01:03:43.000 She was like, fuck Bieber.

01:03:44.000 So that's where it stems from.

01:03:45.000 Oh, wow.

01:03:45.000 Oh, okay.

01:03:46.000 So he's like waiting.

01:03:47.000 Well, you remember when fucking Ronda got KO'd by Holly?

01:03:50.000 Trump said, I'm glad she got knocked out.

01:03:53.000 Not a good person.

01:03:54.000 Trump talked shit again, didn't he?

01:03:55.000 Trump did another tweet about Ronda.

01:03:57.000 About Ronda?

01:03:57.000 And he's the president of the United States!

01:03:59.000 No!

01:04:00.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:04:00.000 Did he really?

01:04:01.000 Yeah.

01:04:01.000 He is so crazy.

01:04:02.000 Check out his tweet.

01:04:03.000 He is so crazy.

01:04:04.000 Why is he mad at Ron, though?

01:04:05.000 Who fucking knows?

01:04:06.000 She might have talked shit about him.

01:04:07.000 Because she said, she goes, I would never vote for Trump.

01:04:10.000 Yeah, she said she was going to vote for Bernie Sanders.

01:04:13.000 You're the president of the United States, motherfucker.

01:04:14.000 What do you care?

01:04:16.000 I know, right?

01:04:16.000 Hey, man, don't you have bigger fires to put out instead of tweeting bullshit?

01:04:20.000 Well, not only that, man.

01:04:21.000 He's not a politician, man.

01:04:23.000 That's not what he is.

01:04:24.000 I know, right?

01:04:25.000 He's not.

01:04:26.000 He's not trying to.

01:04:26.000 He don't even want to stay at the White House.

01:04:28.000 Because I got a fucking hotel.

01:04:29.000 I wouldn't either.

01:04:30.000 He's like, look at this little place.

01:04:32.000 I got a bidet.

01:04:35.000 I got Chinese butlers and shit.

01:04:38.000 Get the fuck out of here to the White House and shit.

01:04:41.000 It's probably run down.

01:04:43.000 It's probably like the Playboy Mansion.

01:04:47.000 What?

01:04:48.000 It's nasty.

01:04:49.000 Mildew on the windows and shit.

01:04:52.000 You've been in the mansion, right?

01:04:53.000 Didn't you come with me to that marijuana policy project thing?

01:04:56.000 When I first got invited to the mansion, I thought, oh my god, it's going to be just like those videos, you see?

01:05:03.000 They used to be the commercials.

01:05:05.000 Girls Gone Wild.

01:05:07.000 Like Playboy Mansion.

01:05:08.000 And you'd see on E! the Playboy Mansion.

01:05:11.000 You're like, oh shit.

01:05:12.000 We get invited to an event there, and then you figure it out really quick that, okay, not every night goes off because there's like no girls there.

01:05:23.000 They had giant screens everywhere in the backyard playing loops of people partying on the good nights.

01:05:32.000 So you're at the Playboy Mansion seeing people party at the Playboy Mansion.

01:05:38.000 And then I looked into it and it turns out they rent out the place all the goddamn time.

01:05:43.000 They rent it out all the time.

01:05:45.000 It's not like what you see on TV. There's only two times per year where it's that, what you imagine, where they're just 80% girls and they're all in their underwear.

01:05:53.000 That does happen, but it's only their Halloween party and their 4th of July or a midnight summer's eve.

01:06:00.000 And that shit blasts off.

01:06:01.000 It's impossible to get into those.

01:06:03.000 Eddie, you remember when we went to see fights there?

01:06:05.000 Yeah, we saw Strikeforce there.

01:06:07.000 Yes, that's right.

01:06:07.000 Brandon Thatch.

01:06:08.000 No one thought on that.

01:06:09.000 Yeah, dude, Thatch, man.

01:06:11.000 That was a tough loss.

01:06:12.000 Yeah, it's probably over, isn't it?

01:06:13.000 Yeah, he just did not.

01:06:15.000 He looked terrible on the ground, man.

01:06:16.000 He was making big rookie mistakes.

01:06:18.000 Super amateur.

01:06:19.000 Yeah, he was leaving himself open.

01:06:22.000 He wasn't patient.

01:06:23.000 It's heartbreaking.

01:06:23.000 He wasn't doing it the right way.

01:06:24.000 I'm telling you, if you saw him in the gym, you're like, I've seen him against the best in the world.

01:06:28.000 You're like, this motherfucker's going to do it, man.

01:06:30.000 So what is it?

01:06:32.000 Commitment to the grappling.

01:06:34.000 Commitment to grappling.

01:06:35.000 Commitment to jiu-jitsu.

01:06:36.000 Yeah, man.

01:06:37.000 He's just so good at stand-up.

01:06:38.000 You know, his dad's this legend in Denver as far as striking, and he was a taekwondo guy, and he trained him since he was little.

01:06:44.000 And Thatch was always the it factor in the gym, where you're like, dude, if you're standing with him, good luck.

01:06:49.000 He could do it all.

01:06:50.000 Both ways, whatever you wanted.

01:06:51.000 He could mimic anything.

01:06:53.000 He looked good standing up, too, man.

01:06:55.000 He looked real good.

01:06:55.000 And he made the mistake of initiating the grappling.

01:06:59.000 I was like, Jesus Christ.

01:07:01.000 And what hurts him even more, I don't know if you guys saw this, with all the chaos going on with UFC 207, their head coach, Lister Bowling, who's my head coach, and I think one of the best in the game, is retiring.

01:07:11.000 He's leaving Muscle Farm.

01:07:12.000 Why is he doing that?

01:07:13.000 Because his kids, his kids in wrestling, and he lives far away, and he's like, dude, I'm spending too much time with the guys traveling stuff.

01:07:19.000 It was in the summer, I had three weekends with my kids.

01:07:21.000 He's like, I just can't do it.

01:07:23.000 And his son, little Lister, is really getting competitive in wrestling, and Lister's his wrestling coach.

01:07:28.000 How far away does he live from the gym?

01:07:30.000 Wow.

01:07:30.000 Like an hour.

01:07:32.000 That sucks.

01:07:32.000 He should move closer.

01:07:33.000 What the fuck?

01:07:34.000 But again, he's like, because he owns his own business.

01:07:36.000 He makes crazy money.

01:07:38.000 So he's just doing it, and it kind of got out of hand.

01:07:40.000 He's like, dude, I'm spending too much time with the team and not enough time with my family.

01:07:43.000 He's a good dude, too.

01:07:44.000 One of the best.

01:07:45.000 Really good guy.

01:07:46.000 One of the best.

01:07:46.000 Very smart, too.

01:07:48.000 I'll tell you what I'd like to see.

01:07:49.000 I have no idea.

01:07:50.000 I don't know if they've talked about us.

01:07:51.000 I have no idea.

01:07:51.000 But I'd like to see Matt Brown take kind of a leadership role with that team.

01:07:54.000 Really?

01:07:55.000 And move that into the next phase of his career?

01:07:58.000 I don't even know if he's into it, but I've seen him with the guys and with his mentality and experience.

01:08:02.000 You're talking about a coach who kind of knows it all, like we were talking about with Matt Hume who's been there.

01:08:06.000 It'd be a good idea.

01:08:07.000 I have no idea if he's even into it.

01:08:09.000 Yeah, it was interesting because Dwayne was working with Matt Brown for this fight.

01:08:13.000 He worked with him for a few weeks, but I thought maybe we'd see more footwork and movement from Matt that's similar to Dwayne's style.

01:08:20.000 Dwayne's style doesn't work that way.

01:08:22.000 Dwayne, you have to be in and you have to spend a ton of time with him.

01:08:26.000 And I really think he's the perfect coach for TJ. But unless you're one of those small guys with that crazy footwork, he's not a guy you can go to for six weeks and pick shit up.

01:08:34.000 But you know what, man?

01:08:35.000 I agree with you.

01:08:36.000 But do you remember when Travis Brown was first on the scene?

01:08:40.000 Like when he fought Skyscraper?

01:08:42.000 And he moved like Dominic Cruz?

01:08:44.000 Yes, that's what I'm saying.

01:08:45.000 Because he's training at an alliance?

01:08:46.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:08:47.000 The entire division was like, what the fuck are we going to do?

01:08:50.000 Yeah, well, what happened to him?

01:08:52.000 Edmund.

01:08:54.000 100%.

01:08:54.000 Is that what it is?

01:08:55.000 100%.

01:08:55.000 Think about all his fights since he left there.

01:08:57.000 He was a barbarian, man.

01:08:59.000 I always said that he was the dark horse in the division.

01:09:02.000 I was like, let me tell you something.

01:09:03.000 If this guy puts it all together, he can do some shit that you rarely see from a heavyweight.

01:09:08.000 He went from Alliance to Winklejohn for a while?

01:09:11.000 Yes.

01:09:11.000 He was always at Alliance.

01:09:12.000 He went to Alliance, then he went to Jackson's and was good there.

01:09:16.000 He married Overeem and those guys.

01:09:18.000 Then Overeem stayed there, then he left.

01:09:19.000 Then he ended up going to...

01:09:22.000 Edmund with Ronda.

01:09:25.000 But same thing.

01:09:26.000 I forget what UFC it was.

01:09:29.000 I fought Ben Rothwell.

01:09:32.000 He was on the card fighting some scrub.

01:09:34.000 And I looked at my coach and I was like, do you know about that guy?

01:09:38.000 And he goes, a little bit.

01:09:39.000 And I went, he's probably your next heavyweight champ.

01:09:41.000 Have you seen the way he moves?

01:09:42.000 I went, we don't want to fight him down the road.

01:09:44.000 We want to fight him soon.

01:09:45.000 Because that guy has so much talent.

01:09:47.000 He's probably the next champ.

01:09:48.000 They're like, really?

01:09:49.000 Then we saw his fight and everyone was like, Jesus Christ.

01:09:51.000 I'm like, he has footwork like Dominic Cruz and he's a C6-7.

01:09:55.000 Yeah, you know, I talked to Brian Stan about him, and Brian was pretty adamant about it, like, after the last fight.

01:10:00.000 He's like, where's all his footwork?

01:10:02.000 He's like, I remember this guy having incredible footwork and movement when he was at Jackson's camp, and now he's just kind of lost all of it, and he's become this...

01:10:11.000 Stagnant, like...

01:10:13.000 It also doesn't look like he has the same desire anymore, like when he knocked out Gonzaga or Josh Brown.

01:10:19.000 Bingo.

01:10:19.000 Yeah.

01:10:20.000 Josh Barnett.

01:10:21.000 Josh Barnett, rather.

01:10:22.000 Who just got flagged.

01:10:23.000 Yeah, he got flagged, huh?

01:10:24.000 What do you know it for?

01:10:27.000 Steroids.

01:10:28.000 Really?

01:10:29.000 Hey man, that guy, he's been flagged before, for God's sakes.

01:10:33.000 And I love Josh, shit happens.

01:10:35.000 He's got caught a few times.

01:10:36.000 You know, the whole Edmund, somebody put a video out, pretty funny about everybody getting knocked out.

01:10:41.000 Edmund Camp.

01:10:42.000 With a little flute, like, from fucking Titanic and shit, you know?

01:10:46.000 And it's fucking sad, you know?

01:10:49.000 Right before the Ronda fight, I had to pee.

01:10:52.000 And while I was peeing, I said to myself, you know what, I can't call this fight, but what do I want to happen?

01:10:57.000 Let this poor girl fucking win.

01:11:00.000 Let her retire.

01:11:01.000 Let Amanda Nunes.

01:11:02.000 She would never retire if she won.

01:11:04.000 You know, whatever.

01:11:05.000 I was hoping.

01:11:06.000 I didn't want to see what I just saw again.

01:11:09.000 Yeah.

01:11:09.000 But why do we feel that way?

01:11:11.000 See, but you didn't see what you just saw again.

01:11:12.000 What you saw was way worse.

01:11:14.000 The Holly fight, it was her trying to get Holly, but Holly was fighting wisely.

01:11:19.000 She was sliding away, cracking her with shots.

01:11:22.000 It was Ronda being Ronda.

01:11:24.000 She got hunted.

01:11:25.000 Yes.

01:11:26.000 Rhonda got hunted down and destroyed by an assassin.

01:11:30.000 Totally different kind of a fight.

01:11:32.000 If I hunt him down right now, if I get up and go and say, I have two seconds before his head adjusts and he realizes where he is.

01:11:40.000 Even Eddie, if I get on top of him in side control, as big and fat as I am, Eddie will go, fuck, I can't breathe.

01:11:46.000 But after a while, you get it together.

01:11:49.000 She didn't even get it together.

01:11:52.000 The big difference is getting hit in the head.

01:11:55.000 She probably had no idea what the fuck was going on.

01:11:58.000 But it was like, but yo!

01:12:00.000 She just came from a training camp.

01:12:03.000 Was her media scrum stuff like her training camp?

01:12:08.000 Usually she's got a little guy she's throwing around in training camp.

01:12:11.000 This time I didn't see her throwing nobody around in training camp.

01:12:13.000 She definitely had judo work.

01:12:15.000 She's definitely doing a lot of work.

01:12:16.000 There was some footage that was up of her hitting takedowns and stuff.

01:12:19.000 Did she tell Edmund, I don't want to see nobody, I don't want to talk to nobody?

01:12:24.000 Was her training reflective of her attitude towards the media and everything like this?

01:12:28.000 Yeah.

01:12:29.000 Something is not fucking right here.

01:12:31.000 That's what I'm saying, Joey.

01:12:33.000 Joe, I love you.

01:12:34.000 I appreciate the headshot.

01:12:35.000 But something wasn't there.

01:12:37.000 I get shot in the head.

01:12:38.000 I put my hands up.

01:12:38.000 I think that's fair to say, Joe.

01:12:40.000 Something was not there.

01:12:41.000 Something was not there.

01:12:42.000 That's why I feel, and the public, I mean, guys are brilliant.

01:12:46.000 You feel broken hearted in a way.

01:12:47.000 Isn't that weird?

01:12:48.000 Why do we feel broken?

01:12:49.000 I feel broken hearted.

01:12:50.000 I do too.

01:12:51.000 I called you up the next morning and told you.

01:12:52.000 You are driving back from the airport.

01:12:54.000 I'm like, I'm broken hearted.

01:12:55.000 Yeah, you were devastated.

01:12:57.000 Me, me, everybody gets fired after Holly Holm.

01:12:59.000 Everybody.

01:13:00.000 I go back to the Japanese Cultural Center with Misaki down there for $7 every time.

01:13:05.000 That's not what made Ronda Ronda though.

01:13:07.000 She's so loyal.

01:13:08.000 I understand.

01:13:08.000 But something...

01:13:09.000 But if she was so loyal, she wouldn't have left the guy that got her into the UFC, though.

01:13:13.000 What guy?

01:13:14.000 Who?

01:13:14.000 You're talking about the manager?

01:13:15.000 Yeah.

01:13:16.000 My manager's different.

01:13:16.000 Managers are scumbags.

01:13:18.000 But if she was so loyal, she wouldn't have left him.

01:13:20.000 But she said, well, who knows what that deal is?

01:13:22.000 Yeah, you're talking about money.

01:13:23.000 That's different.

01:13:24.000 Money's different, though, right?

01:13:25.000 But there's two different versions of that story.

01:13:28.000 I don't know who's right.

01:13:29.000 Right.

01:13:29.000 And I feel the same way.

01:13:32.000 Something was not right there.

01:13:33.000 I agree 100%.

01:13:34.000 The head punch is great, but something wasn't there, Joe.

01:13:38.000 Something wasn't there.

01:13:40.000 When she went to grab her, Nunes went like this.

01:13:43.000 It wasn't the same Ronda that came out for Holly and that tenacity.

01:13:51.000 Joe, you remember that time you told me you mugged that gay guy and he beat the shit out of you?

01:13:54.000 Yeah.

01:13:58.000 But he wasn't a gay guy.

01:14:00.000 I'll get in trouble now.

01:14:02.000 What happened was, guys that were thinking they wanted to be gay, like guys that had families and shit, that wanted to get their dick sucked, would have a few drinks in them, and they'd go to Hudson County Park to see if there was somebody there to get their dick sucked.

01:14:15.000 Like, before I went into your show last night, I parked.

01:14:18.000 Sean just said, park in this lot.

01:14:20.000 I didn't park in that lot.

01:14:21.000 I parked in a lot that was empty, and when I was walking over there, Some dude kept making weird eye contact with me.

01:14:27.000 He wanted to suck dick.

01:14:30.000 I know when somebody looks at me because they see me from the podcast.

01:14:44.000 Joey's got like a guy in his head.

01:14:47.000 What does that look mean?

01:14:48.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:14:48.000 I know exactly.

01:14:50.000 I know.

01:14:51.000 It's either he had two looks to him.

01:14:52.000 Either he wanted to sell me drugs, Oh, he wanted to suck my dick.

01:14:56.000 Okay.

01:14:56.000 How'd you decide that it was dick?

01:14:58.000 How creepy it was.

01:14:59.000 Oh, okay.

01:15:00.000 Just his appearance.

01:15:01.000 I don't want to say he looked gay.

01:15:02.000 Right.

01:15:02.000 But just his appearance.

01:15:03.000 But he looked gay.

01:15:04.000 He was a male prostitute.

01:15:05.000 Oh, okay.

01:15:05.000 Let's pretend he was a male prostitute.

01:15:06.000 His mouth was watering.

01:15:07.000 Okay.

01:15:07.000 Okay, so.

01:15:08.000 Anyway.

01:15:09.000 So these guys.

01:15:10.000 These guys would come down and they'd be half drunk.

01:15:12.000 Like in hindsight, I think about it, and there are all these type of dudes that may not just be gay.

01:15:18.000 They just have a family, but they like the gay.

01:15:20.000 You know, it's 1980. That'd be gay though, wouldn't it?

01:15:22.000 In 1980, it wasn't easy to go, I'm coming out of the closet.

01:15:26.000 There was a lot of guys in the...

01:15:27.000 Let me talk to you about something.

01:15:30.000 You ever been around the guy, tell me the truth, as a man, you ever been around the guy that when you get in your car and go home, you're like, you know what?

01:15:37.000 For sure.

01:15:38.000 I could definitely talk that dude into sucking my dick.

01:15:40.000 He's dying to suck a dick.

01:15:41.000 Even though he's got a hot girlfriend, and a kid, and they got a dog, and he goes to fucking, uh, what, CrossFit?

01:15:48.000 You could tell, maybe he could mingle on the other side.

01:15:52.000 A kid and a dog.

01:15:52.000 You could talk him into switching governments.

01:15:54.000 He's got a kid and a dog.

01:15:56.000 A lot of dudes like that, that you look at and you go, every guy out there with a kid who's walking his dog is like, fuck, am I gay?

01:16:05.000 No, no, no.

01:16:07.000 Maybe you have evil fantasies like Rob Halford in Hell Bent for Leather.

01:16:11.000 You know that's all?

01:16:12.000 Rob Halford is evil.

01:16:15.000 But he was gay as fuck.

01:16:16.000 No, I'm not saying that.

01:16:18.000 I love Bob Halford.

01:16:19.000 I love Bob Halford.

01:16:19.000 I do too.

01:16:20.000 But I'm just saying that.

01:16:22.000 There's a lot of fucking guys, dog, that you see, that you know.

01:16:27.000 Maybe their dad's still alive and he was a Marine.

01:16:30.000 What the fuck does that mean?

01:16:31.000 You can't go home and tell your dad, who was a general, I want to suck dick for a time.

01:16:35.000 I see what you're saying.

01:16:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:16:36.000 I thought you were saying, like, those guys, if your dad was alive, he's a Marine, you want to blow guys.

01:16:40.000 Joe Rogan, you were an intelligence.

01:16:41.000 How many guys do you think are out there right now?

01:16:43.000 We've had this discussion that are married, whatever, but every once in a while, they put a feather suit on, and they go dance like in anything.

01:16:52.000 It's probably more than 10. And that's what we used to.

01:16:55.000 You know, we used to go down there.

01:16:56.000 We were dumb kids.

01:16:57.000 We figured out we could rob these dudes that were drunk.

01:17:00.000 They come down and get their dick sucked.

01:17:02.000 So we bait him.

01:17:03.000 We got the captain of police's son, so we weren't gonna go to jail.

01:17:06.000 He was better looking than you.

01:17:08.000 We weren't gonna go to jail.

01:17:09.000 We put him out there.

01:17:10.000 We put like a guinea t-shirt, you know, those wife beaters with a little gold chain with a cross on it and shit.

01:17:17.000 And we put him out there on Boulevard East and then we hide in the trees.

01:17:23.000 And then he'd go, I'll suck your dick, and the guy would park, and then he'd walk him back, and right before I went to get that one knee, I'd come up with that straight right kick, John Jones to the fucking nutsack.

01:17:34.000 You go down, we're in the trees.

01:17:37.000 We're hiding in the trees.

01:17:38.000 We fucking fly down from the trees.

01:17:42.000 And we just bam, bam, bam.

01:17:43.000 We take your money.

01:17:44.000 We were 16 guys.

01:17:46.000 You know nobody fucking knows what you're writing.

01:17:47.000 Not that.

01:17:48.000 My mother.

01:17:49.000 No.

01:17:49.000 Perfect guy to rob.

01:17:50.000 The guy's not going to the cops.

01:17:52.000 He's not going to the cops.

01:17:53.000 And you got to remember, my crew was the third crew out.

01:17:56.000 There was a crew from 64th Street.

01:17:58.000 They were not only robbing you, they were taking you to your house.

01:18:02.000 I had friends that were in high school that actually were setting you up.

01:18:06.000 Yeah, let's suck your dick.

01:18:07.000 And then they'd put you back in your car and go to your house and rob you.

01:18:10.000 We were the light crew.

01:18:12.000 We were just going down there, peppering you with a few shots and running away with you.

01:18:15.000 Nobody getting their dicks on.

01:18:16.000 My point about the story was there was one time where you...

01:18:18.000 Well, I got beat up.

01:18:19.000 I went down there by myself.

01:18:20.000 Yeah, you went down there.

01:18:21.000 I went down there by myself.

01:18:22.000 I had to mix minus the eight and a half.

01:18:24.000 And I only won by eight.

01:18:25.000 So I got caught by the hook.

01:18:27.000 And I called my buddy.

01:18:29.000 And I go, dog, we lost.

01:18:30.000 And he goes, I'm with my girlfriend.

01:18:33.000 But at the time, I was, yeah, you want it up?

01:18:35.000 I'm hanging out with my buddies.

01:18:37.000 We're hitting the back.

01:18:38.000 I'll go down there.

01:18:41.000 I'll go down there, bro.

01:18:43.000 I'm from Jersey.

01:18:44.000 They ain't got to do nothing to me.

01:18:45.000 This dude lit me up.

01:18:47.000 It could have been Nunes' uncle.

01:18:52.000 It could have been Amanda Nunes' uncle.

01:18:55.000 He punched me with so many shots.

01:18:57.000 But again...

01:18:57.000 He lit your ass up?

01:18:59.000 Lit me up.

01:18:59.000 And had a Broncard boner?

01:19:00.000 But here's the funny thing that...

01:19:03.000 In hindsight now, I know what Joe's saying.

01:19:05.000 Levels are striking.

01:19:06.000 I never saw striking.

01:19:08.000 It was nighttime, so I didn't even see his hands.

01:19:10.000 I just kept seeing lights.

01:19:11.000 You ever see lights?

01:19:13.000 I just kept seeing lights.

01:19:16.000 When you see lights at night, that's...

01:19:19.000 The motherfucker had some training.

01:19:21.000 There's a funny thing about striking, too, and this relates to what Amanda can do.

01:19:26.000 There's power, and then there's like, whoa power.

01:19:29.000 There's like crazy power.

01:19:30.000 God-gifted power, yeah.

01:19:31.000 Some people just have it, and you see it with Lineker.

01:19:33.000 Lineker for sure has it.

01:19:35.000 Rumble for sure has it.

01:19:36.000 There's people that have this weird power.

01:19:38.000 They have an ability to hit people, and you see people that normally can take a shot, and you see the look in their eye where they're in big trouble, like right away.

01:19:46.000 And when you get hit like that, man, You don't know where the fuck you are.

01:19:49.000 Let me ask you this.

01:19:51.000 In jujitsu, every black belt knows how to do a rear naked choke, but very few people can do a rear naked choke like Marcelo Garcia.

01:19:59.000 Right.

01:20:00.000 Very few people.

01:20:01.000 Why?

01:20:03.000 It's because...

01:20:04.000 Would you say it was natural, like Lineker, or was it because he spent a lot of time perfecting the back?

01:20:11.000 And I know for a fact that he did.

01:20:12.000 He used to...

01:20:13.000 He used to ride on people's backs with the over-under and not even try to tap him.

01:20:17.000 He would just spend a lot of time just riding and perfecting the control.

01:20:20.000 Then he just mastered the fight.

01:20:21.000 Then he realized how important that squeeze was so that he would ride and squeeze and he knew that it was all about the power of the squeeze.

01:20:28.000 So he spent a lot of time With the rear naked choke.

01:20:32.000 And, you know, there's quite a few guys out there now that are, you know, his students and other guys that have developed back attacks is almost as good as Marcelo, but probably not as good.

01:20:47.000 Now, when you're talking about power, you know, certain guys have the power, whether they're born with it or not.

01:20:53.000 What if the guys with the power are actually in their training, working harder...

01:21:00.000 And more consistently at developing power.

01:21:03.000 Like, what would you need?

01:21:05.000 Like, you gotta...

01:21:06.000 It's different.

01:21:07.000 There is a possibility, but it's also a physics issue.

01:21:10.000 It's also an anatomy issue.

01:21:11.000 What if it's both, though?

01:21:12.000 It might be both, but there's...

01:21:14.000 It has to be, right?

01:21:15.000 It is.

01:21:15.000 Like, okay, here's a problem.

01:21:16.000 Cody Garbrandt does not have big hands.

01:21:18.000 He's not built like a George Foreman type character.

01:21:21.000 Like, George Foreman has freakish physical attributes.

01:21:24.000 He's got hands that are like the size of, like, canned hams.

01:21:27.000 They're fucking gigantic.

01:21:29.000 And he would just thump!

01:21:31.000 Just thump guys with a jab, and you would see them get stunned and hurt.

01:21:35.000 Obviously, trained like a motherfucker.

01:21:37.000 Obviously, had very good technique, too.

01:21:39.000 Obviously, worked on all those things, too.

01:21:41.000 But you can't overcome the physical attributes if a guy does all those other things as well.

01:21:47.000 That's where the freaks come in.

01:21:49.000 That's where the people just have this ridiculous one-shot power.

01:21:54.000 But there's technique.

01:21:55.000 Look at Conor.

01:21:56.000 Conor's not a big guy.

01:21:57.000 He's a wide-shoulder guy, but he has that one-hit quitter.

01:22:00.000 Right.

01:22:01.000 Yeah, no question.

01:22:02.000 When you think about your turning sidekick, right?

01:22:06.000 Like your personal turning sidekick.

01:22:08.000 Everybody knows now that it's extremely powerful.

01:22:13.000 Scary powerful.

01:22:14.000 Very few people.

01:22:15.000 I've never seen anybody throw a turning sidekick as hard as you.

01:22:18.000 I've worked with a lot of martial artists.

01:22:20.000 In my time, still to this day, holy shit.

01:22:23.000 Michael Jai White, excuse me, he's right up there too, but he's like 6'4", 240. Anyways, but you have said many times that the The secret behind your power was the reps.

01:22:37.000 You knew that it was all about just hitting that heavy bag as many goddamn times as possible.

01:22:42.000 Every day, just standing in front.

01:22:44.000 And you said that most people don't develop that power because most people just don't spend the time standing in front of a bag and just working.

01:22:53.000 It's also the way he's built, though.

01:22:55.000 Well, that too.

01:22:56.000 Listen, man, there was a lot of guys that I trained with that had good turning sidekicks.

01:23:00.000 I always knew that I had a cheat.

01:23:03.000 I had a physical advantage.

01:23:05.000 Like, the size of my hands.

01:23:07.000 For someone my size.

01:23:08.000 I mean, you have to realize I had hands this big when I was fighting at 154. It was ridiculous.

01:23:13.000 They were just- Certain physical attributes you have.

01:23:16.000 The width of the shoulders is big.

01:23:18.000 But that has nothing to do with your turning side kick.

01:23:20.000 It does.

01:23:20.000 It's in the hips, too.

01:23:21.000 It's the same thing with my hips, my knees, my ass.

01:23:26.000 Explosive.

01:23:26.000 It's also the fast twitch fiber, whether you have it or not.

01:23:30.000 Is it a coincidence?

01:23:31.000 Is it a coincidence?

01:23:31.000 That's when you get greatness.

01:23:33.000 Powers, a lot of it is fast twitch.

01:23:34.000 And you either have fast twitch or you don't.

01:23:36.000 I mean, Nick Diaz is a hard puncher, but he's never going to be a puncher like Woodley.

01:23:41.000 No matter what he does, who he trains with it will never be there.

01:23:44.000 Your average MMA fighter, how much time do you think they spend working on the power of their turning sidekick?

01:23:53.000 Very little.

01:23:55.000 Well, no one really throws a sidekick in the UFC. Very few then, right?

01:23:58.000 Well, there's a few guys.

01:23:59.000 There's a few guys that do it.

01:24:00.000 They have allotted a certain amount of time a week, like for 20 minutes on Mondays.

01:24:04.000 Yeah, but to your point, power, how many guys focus on throwing a right hand or left hand if they're dominant left-handed or southpaws?

01:24:10.000 Everyone does.

01:24:11.000 There's very few who can do it in one punch and knock guys out.

01:24:14.000 You know fighters that specifically train every day just to develop specific punching?

01:24:20.000 Like today, I'm going to spend...

01:24:21.000 Power punches.

01:24:21.000 Power punches, right?

01:24:22.000 In between camps.

01:24:24.000 In between camps, guys do that, for sure.

01:24:26.000 Guys will just, like, go...

01:24:27.000 Like George was famous for doing that.

01:24:28.000 He would go down to Henzo's and just only train jiu-jitsu for, like, months on end.

01:24:33.000 You know, just to really tighten everything up.

01:24:34.000 He went to Brazil a couple times just to train jiu-jitsu.

01:24:36.000 Or Lofsky would do it in boxing.

01:24:38.000 You know, I would do it in boxing...

01:24:39.000 So what's the best thing you can do?

01:24:43.000 You're a professional fighter, you're fighting in the UFC, you're ranked 13th, and you want to take your power, your hand, you want to be able to knock someone, you want to have that Conor McGregor strength.

01:24:53.000 What do I got to do to get...

01:24:54.000 Lift weight.

01:24:55.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

01:24:57.000 I don't think so.

01:24:57.000 I think it's genetics.

01:24:59.000 Yeah, it's genetics.

01:25:00.000 I think genetics has a lot to do with it, but I think if you go see somebody, they could clean up the efficiency.

01:25:06.000 Yes, for sure.

01:25:07.000 You know, because it's your shoulders turning your shoulders.

01:25:09.000 Yes, there's a lot of technique in it.

01:25:11.000 There's a lot of stuff that goes into that punch.

01:25:13.000 You know, if a wrestler, a world champion wrestler came in, and I came in, and I was a world champion wrestler, but my punches weren't that hard.

01:25:20.000 I think in time...

01:25:21.000 All these are true, but let me tell you something.

01:25:24.000 You talk to someone who's a real boxing trainer, and they will tell you that there are guys that just come in, and for whatever reason, they might not have ever boxed before, but you have them throw a jab, and they're like, and you're like, oh, Jesus.

01:25:36.000 I can't teach that.

01:25:37.000 For sure there's those people.

01:25:39.000 And then the technique makes it better.

01:25:42.000 If you look at a guy like Sergey Kovalev, who's a vicious knockout artist, vicious puncher, he's got both.

01:25:50.000 He's got the beautiful technique, but he also has that freakish God-given strength.

01:25:56.000 Those are the guys that oftentimes wind up being champions.

01:25:59.000 Now, to that point, look at Andre Ward, who just fought, who probably trains more than Sergei.

01:26:04.000 He was an Olympic medalist, gold medalist, has been training, fighting since he was 10, I think.

01:26:09.000 And he works on power punches, but he's not a knockout artist.

01:26:12.000 So you're saying you're a head coach of a team.

01:26:14.000 You would tell all your fighters, you're either born with power or you're not, don't worry about working on your power.

01:26:21.000 Just work on your power.

01:26:22.000 You can always improve everything, but you're never going to get it to that rumble level.

01:26:27.000 I'm not saying that.

01:26:28.000 I'm never going to tell Rebel, hey, let's pick our shots here.

01:26:31.000 More volume.

01:26:32.000 No, I don't think we're even arguing.

01:26:33.000 We're not arguing.

01:26:34.000 What can you do specifically?

01:26:36.000 15 minutes a week, 30 minutes a week.

01:26:39.000 We're focusing on developing power.

01:26:41.000 You're not known for a right hand.

01:26:43.000 Every coach does it already.

01:26:44.000 After two years, we're going to do...

01:26:45.000 What is it, though, specifically?

01:26:46.000 Going to the pool with dumbbells like Muhammad and just throw punches.

01:26:51.000 Is that the best way?

01:26:52.000 You could most certainly do some strength and conditioning work that would help.

01:26:56.000 Just hitting a bag.

01:26:57.000 Hitting a bag would help a lot.

01:26:58.000 Hitting a bag, maybe.

01:27:01.000 All the above would help.

01:27:02.000 Like, Evander Holyfield started working out with Mackie Shillstone when he went up from cruiserweight to heavyweight.

01:27:06.000 So he did a lot of weightlifting.

01:27:08.000 And his power came up with him.

01:27:09.000 Put a lot of weight on them.

01:27:10.000 Put a lot of weight on them.

01:27:10.000 And maybe Mexican supplements.

01:27:12.000 Yes, and he's also explosive.

01:27:13.000 And maybe definitely Mexican supplements.

01:27:15.000 And maybe 100%.

01:27:16.000 100% anyways.

01:27:17.000 And he could win the Olympia at the same time.

01:27:19.000 Yeah.

01:27:19.000 But the guys who are like...

01:27:21.000 There's a good video of Joseph Valtellini on his...

01:27:24.000 Go to Bazooka Joe Valtellini on his Instagram page.

01:27:28.000 Valtellini, who was glory champion, had to step back because of concussions.

01:27:32.000 And I think he's going to stay retired.

01:27:33.000 He hasn't decided yet, but...

01:27:35.000 He went down on the top.

01:27:37.000 I mean, he's one of the best kickboxers in the world.

01:27:39.000 But there's a video of him hitting the pads and just digging.

01:27:42.000 Just digging into pads and talking about the importance of sometimes just going all out with power.

01:27:49.000 Just all out power shots on the pads.

01:27:51.000 Like, watch.

01:27:52.000 You can see this guy.

01:27:53.000 He's a...

01:27:54.000 And when he's doing it, when he's hitting these pads, the good thing about it is hands never drop from his chin.

01:28:02.000 Always good position.

01:28:04.000 But...

01:28:05.000 To really dig in and work only solely on your power, you don't want to do that all the time.

01:28:11.000 This is just something that you're going to do occasionally, and only every athlete has to decide.

01:28:17.000 It really depends on the person, depends on what else you're working on.

01:28:20.000 Five minutes a day?

01:28:21.000 See, but this combination, these are so simple combinations.

01:28:24.000 Like right hand, left hook, right kick.

01:28:26.000 To develop power, isn't it better on a heavy bag than as opposed to these?

01:28:30.000 Not necessarily.

01:28:31.000 That's just as good.

01:28:32.000 That's just as good that style, but that's not as good for straight kicks.

01:28:35.000 Because you can't kick a person to the body that way.

01:28:38.000 Like if I put a body pad on a dude and I spinning back kick him, he's going to get really hurt.

01:28:42.000 Like I'll break your ribs.

01:28:44.000 Even with one of those big body shields on it, if you let someone spinning back kick you in the body, it's going to break your ribs.

01:28:49.000 There's some punchers too, if they do a liver shot on a coach with a body pad, they'll drop them.

01:28:53.000 Yeah, they'll drop them.

01:28:54.000 Internal bleeding.

01:28:55.000 You got a fuck up mix, dawg.

01:28:58.000 The dude who lost, who was the first boxer that got choked out in the UFC? James Toney?

01:29:03.000 I heard that dude.

01:29:04.000 Oh, he can fuck some mitts up.

01:29:05.000 Oh, people say it's the most talented of all time.

01:29:09.000 James Toney is a fucking artist.

01:29:11.000 He said, dog, you got to put extra.

01:29:13.000 He will fuck your shit up.

01:29:15.000 He was an artist.

01:29:16.000 When he was at his best, he was an artist.

01:29:17.000 If you talk to anyone from that national team, they'll say, who's the best boxer, most talented of all time?

01:29:22.000 Every single person unanimously says James Toney.

01:29:25.000 Even Floyd Mayweather is the best we've ever seen.

01:29:27.000 Talent-wise, James Toney.

01:29:28.000 He was a bad motherfucker, but he liked to eat.

01:29:30.000 Freak.

01:29:31.000 He loved him some fucking Big Macs.

01:29:33.000 That's a problem.

01:29:34.000 He got thick.

01:29:35.000 He went all the way up to heavyweight.

01:29:36.000 Remember that?

01:29:37.000 You know, James Toney started out his career at 160, 168. Freak.

01:29:41.000 Super freak.

01:29:42.000 To that point, though, and we can end on that and I'll get rid of it.

01:29:45.000 But look at baseball.

01:29:46.000 Like, Mark McGuire, he's never going to be a single-base guy.

01:29:49.000 He's a fucking guy.

01:29:51.000 Also, but here's a good example.

01:29:53.000 Full of Mexican supplements when he's at his best.

01:29:55.000 True.

01:29:56.000 If you get that guy on the natch and had him hit a baseball, I mean, how much distance is the difference between him?

01:30:02.000 So he might hit 30 home runs instead of 70, but still, it was in his genetics.

01:30:06.000 Big forearms, powerful hips, follow-through.

01:30:09.000 He was never going to be the guy who would bunt the ball and lead off.

01:30:12.000 Right.

01:30:13.000 Sosa, same thing.

01:30:14.000 Same thing, Barry Bonds, jacked to the gills.

01:30:17.000 But that might not necessarily translate into punching power, which is really interesting.

01:30:20.000 It's like they might just be really good at that, you know?

01:30:23.000 Punching power is a weird one, man.

01:30:25.000 It's a real weird one.

01:30:26.000 Kicking power is just as weird.

01:30:27.000 You think Elway could hit hard?

01:30:29.000 Because that motherfucker could throw hard.

01:30:31.000 Again, that movement from the hips, all that same movement.

01:30:35.000 They said that when you, they had a documentary on him, the 83 draft, 30 for 30. Hells yeah.

01:30:41.000 And how they fucking slammed him, how they had to scam him up.

01:30:45.000 Like they had to pull, Steinbrenner had to draft him because he didn't want to go to Baltimore.

01:30:51.000 Yeah, he didn't want to go to the Colts.

01:30:52.000 Tremendous shit, kinky shit.

01:30:53.000 But bro, this dude could stand on the warning sign.

01:30:57.000 That's a true story.

01:30:58.000 He could stand on the warning track, John Elway, take one step.

01:31:02.000 And put the ball right there in your glove at home plate.

01:31:05.000 Really?

01:31:07.000 That's deadly shit.

01:31:08.000 Really?

01:31:10.000 Oh, you have no idea.

01:31:11.000 There's a receiver.

01:31:12.000 How far is that?

01:31:13.000 Let's say 305, 305 feet.

01:31:15.000 305 feet, and is he going up in the air, or is it a straight line?

01:31:21.000 Just a bullet.

01:31:22.000 You have to throw so fast for that ball not to drive.

01:31:25.000 You have to watch some of the 30s.

01:31:27.000 He's a freak.

01:31:28.000 Or like that, it's very interesting how he didn't want to play for Baltimore.

01:31:33.000 So somebody went to Steinbrenner's office and they said, we'd like for you to draft John Elway.

01:31:38.000 Steinbrenner goes...

01:31:39.000 And he opened up the schedule for the fucking, the lineup for two, like three years later.

01:31:43.000 He had Elway starting in the right field already.

01:31:46.000 Here's why that's crazy.

01:31:47.000 Here's why being able to throw from the morning track into home plate is crazy.

01:31:50.000 If you took a baseball and you threw it and you shot a bullet...

01:31:56.000 They would both drop at the same rate.

01:31:58.000 So the bullet's only going to be in the air for a few seconds.

01:32:01.000 That's why you could be 200 yards away, put your crosshairs on someone, pull the trigger, and then boom, they die immediately.

01:32:07.000 It's because the bullet's traveling so fast.

01:32:10.000 But the drop is the same amount of time.

01:32:11.000 So it depends on how long it takes to get there, it's how far it's going to drop.

01:32:16.000 So, like, if you're shooting something from really far away, like, there's a lot of people that get into long-range shooting.

01:32:21.000 Like, they go on those ranges, they'll hit these plates, these steel plates that are, like, five, eight hundred, a thousand yards away, and you hear, bang!

01:32:30.000 Clink!

01:32:31.000 Like, there's a delay, a noticeable delay.

01:32:34.000 And in that delay, they have to calculate the drop.

01:32:36.000 So, like, if they're shooting at that plate, their reticle, where they aim, it has to adjust for the fact that this bullet is going to drop in the amount of time that it takes to get 800 yards.

01:32:47.000 So they aim higher.

01:32:48.000 Yeah, so it's going to take a second or so, or half a second, whatever it is.

01:32:51.000 So they have to aim higher, so the scope adjusts for that.

01:32:55.000 If you're throwing a baseball, imagine how much slower that is than a bullet.

01:32:59.000 So you have to throw so fucking fast.

01:33:02.000 If you're throwing straight, if you're just going to throw straight and get into home plate, that motherfucker must be throwing a bullet.

01:33:10.000 It must be crazy.

01:33:12.000 You know his receivers in Denver?

01:33:14.000 Yeah, the first three years.

01:33:15.000 Couldn't catch the ball.

01:33:15.000 They couldn't catch the ball.

01:33:16.000 They would catch with their pads and it would be so hard.

01:33:19.000 It would leave imprints underneath their pads on their chest.

01:33:21.000 People are crazy.

01:33:23.000 And that's a known skill that some people just never develop, the ability to throw a fastball.

01:33:29.000 That's another one.

01:33:30.000 It's like punching power.

01:33:30.000 We discussed it last time, the dynamics of it.

01:33:34.000 I'll tell you who I think it translates from if he threw a punch, a guy who was explosive as fuck and could throw and do it all, Bo Jackson.

01:33:41.000 Oh yeah, Bo Jackson could punch.

01:33:43.000 Have you taught Bo Jackson how to punch?

01:33:45.000 But, you know, here's another example.

01:33:47.000 Herschel Walker.

01:33:48.000 Herschel Walker could punch like a motherfucker.

01:33:50.000 And he was a karate black belt.

01:33:51.000 I mean, he fought a bunch of MMA fights deep into his 40s.

01:33:54.000 Remember?

01:33:56.000 And jacked!

01:33:58.000 Jacked at like 48. Shredded.

01:34:00.000 Giant six-pack.

01:34:02.000 Not an ounce of fat.

01:34:03.000 Looks like a superhero.

01:34:04.000 Looked like Yo Romero, but aged as fuck.

01:34:06.000 And didn't look old.

01:34:07.000 It was weird.

01:34:08.000 Weird.

01:34:09.000 Real weird.

01:34:10.000 He still looks good.

01:34:11.000 He's in his 50s now.

01:34:12.000 Talking about having one more fight before he stops.

01:34:14.000 Yeah, let's not.

01:34:15.000 But yeah, I hear you.

01:34:15.000 But why not?

01:34:17.000 Go to some small league.

01:34:20.000 How about fucking Risen?

01:34:21.000 Did you see Gabby Garcia beat up that grandma?

01:34:24.000 I was gonna post it.

01:34:25.000 I was gonna post it.

01:34:25.000 I got the video.

01:34:26.000 I was just gonna post, what the fuck Japan.

01:34:29.000 Have you guys seen it?

01:34:30.000 And then I thought about it.

01:34:31.000 I go, I can't do this.

01:34:32.000 She was running.

01:34:33.000 The chick was running.

01:34:33.000 The fuck was that?

01:34:34.000 Can we see that?

01:34:35.000 Yeah.

01:34:36.000 Do you know where it is, Jamie?

01:34:37.000 I gotta pee real quick.

01:34:38.000 Go ahead.

01:34:38.000 I gotta pee myself.

01:34:40.000 I'm gonna put it up on Instagram, Jamie.

01:34:42.000 And when I put it up on Instagram, you could just...

01:34:44.000 I'm just gonna put it up.

01:34:45.000 Have you seen this, Joey?

01:34:45.000 And I'm gonna write...

01:34:46.000 You know who Gabby Garcia is?

01:34:49.000 It's fucking...

01:34:49.000 It's huge!

01:34:51.000 Here, I'll put it up right now.

01:34:52.000 She fights a straight-up grandma.

01:34:53.000 She comes out and is doing, like, the WWE off-the-rope stuff as she's coming out like it's a game.

01:34:58.000 You know my girl Jessica tapped fucking Gabby Garcia.

01:35:01.000 Jessica who?

01:35:01.000 Flowers.

01:35:02.000 Oh, really?

01:35:03.000 She did?

01:35:04.000 How?

01:35:05.000 In competition?

01:35:06.000 Oh, at Worlds?

01:35:07.000 Okay, I just posted it, so if you go to my Instagram, Joe Rogan, you'll see, it just says, WTF Japan, WTF Japan, and you see this one woman...

01:35:21.000 Powering jack to the tits.

01:35:23.000 Looks like Jose Canseco in 1984. Oh my god.

01:35:28.000 Look at that old lady.

01:35:29.000 And she fought a 50-year-old woman who looked like she hasn't worked out in a year.

01:35:32.000 And she looks so scared.

01:35:33.000 Can we get a GoFundMe so she doesn't have to do this shit?

01:35:36.000 Well, that woman looks so scared, too.

01:35:37.000 Hell, I'd be scared.

01:35:39.000 Can you refresh that?

01:35:41.000 God!

01:35:41.000 Oh look, she knees her in the body, oh my god, and punches her in the face.

01:35:44.000 I mean, and mercifully, Gabby Garcia is not the most vicious striker in the world.

01:35:49.000 Not the friendliest.

01:35:50.000 Oh, well, she had to do what she had to do.

01:35:52.000 Why would you take that fight?

01:35:54.000 Gabby?

01:35:55.000 Yes.

01:35:55.000 For easy cash.

01:35:56.000 I understand easy cash, but god damn.

01:35:58.000 And look at this poor lady.

01:35:59.000 Well, that must have been some...

01:36:00.000 If she had moved to North Hollywood and given massages, or fight Gabby Garcia.

01:36:05.000 Look at this poor lady.

01:36:06.000 They told her, you're going to fight her?

01:36:08.000 I'll go to North Hollywood and suck dick.

01:36:10.000 I don't even think they give her the option.

01:36:12.000 I think they just delay the trip to North Hollywood.

01:36:17.000 Watch this.

01:36:18.000 Look how scared she is.

01:36:19.000 Look at her big deep breaths while she's looking at Gabby's body.

01:36:22.000 Gabby's like 6'4".

01:36:23.000 She's legit 6'4", probably 240. All natural.

01:36:26.000 Oh, totally natural.

01:36:27.000 Because all steroids are natural.

01:36:29.000 They all come from Earth.

01:36:32.000 What the fuck is going on, Japan?

01:36:34.000 So crazy.

01:36:35.000 What are you doing?

01:36:36.000 So crazy.

01:36:37.000 Why is that grandma even in there?

01:36:39.000 It's so rude.

01:36:40.000 And if I'm Gabby Garcia, I'm like, I just can't, man.

01:36:41.000 I'm gonna win no fans if I do this.

01:36:43.000 Well, I don't think most people have seen this.

01:36:46.000 I bet she's got the Sakuraba knee braces on and shit.

01:36:49.000 Yeah, what is the reason why she did it?

01:36:51.000 This lady.

01:36:52.000 You gotta wonder.

01:36:53.000 Look how scared.

01:36:54.000 She's scared right now.

01:36:55.000 She shook her hand after it's over.

01:36:57.000 Maybe she was a pro wrestler or something.

01:36:59.000 Yeah, I think she was a pro wrestler.

01:37:00.000 They probably gave her a big-ass payday to lose a few years of her life.

01:37:06.000 What the fuck?

01:37:07.000 Yeah, what the fuck indeed.

01:37:09.000 I will say this, that's the worst Japanese freak show I've ever seen.

01:37:12.000 Because that was a woman who did not belong in there at all.

01:37:14.000 I'll say this, that's the worst fight I've ever seen.

01:37:17.000 That's the worst I've ever seen, ever.

01:37:20.000 The most brutal mismatch ever.

01:37:22.000 Yeah.

01:37:24.000 It's horrible, man.

01:37:25.000 Horrible.

01:37:25.000 But Gabby's a jiu-jitsu black belt.

01:37:28.000 Why didn't Gabby just grab ahold of her and choke her?

01:37:30.000 I mean, she could have easily and not even hurt the old lady.

01:37:33.000 People will pay to watch anything on New Year's Eve.

01:37:36.000 I know, but I mean, if you're Gabby, if you're Gabby and you're looking at that...

01:37:39.000 If I call you up and say, listen, I know a guy that wants to fuck his dog.

01:37:43.000 You want to come over for five hours?

01:37:44.000 New Year's Eve?

01:37:44.000 New Year's Eve.

01:37:46.000 As long as I make it to where I gotta go by midnight, I'm solid.

01:37:49.000 Did you ever see one of those videos when you were a kid?

01:37:51.000 Did you know anybody that had a VHS of Barnyard Betty?

01:37:55.000 No.

01:37:55.000 What the fuck's Barnyard Betty?

01:37:58.000 My friend Billy, when I was like 20, I guess, got a VHS tape of this chick.

01:38:05.000 That got fucked by animals, and we went to his basement.

01:38:09.000 He had to hide it, so he had to like go get it, and then we had to meet down the base, and then one of us had to watch the door.

01:38:15.000 It's a process.

01:38:16.000 So that no one would, you know, one of the parents like, so one of us was like on the stairs like looking down, you know like railings in the basement?

01:38:24.000 There's like the fucking gap between the stairs and the railings.

01:38:26.000 So I don't remember who it was, but he was like on the stairs like watching the TV through the gap because he had to be the guy with his arm up and In case the door opened.

01:38:34.000 Because we're watching this chick blow a fucking dog and blow a horse and get fucked by a donkey and all this different crazy shit.

01:38:41.000 Same lady or multiple women?

01:38:43.000 I don't know.

01:38:43.000 It was so grainy and so hard to tell, but it was real.

01:38:47.000 I mean, she really was like letting a dog fuck her.

01:38:50.000 She was like letting a pig fuck her.

01:38:52.000 It was horrible.

01:38:53.000 It was horrible.

01:38:55.000 I remember faces of death.

01:38:56.000 I couldn't even finish it.

01:38:58.000 I was so scared.

01:38:58.000 I've seen them all.

01:39:00.000 You've seen them all?

01:39:01.000 Remember the one when they tied the dude between two trucks and pulled him apart?

01:39:05.000 I don't remember that one.

01:39:06.000 Yeah, it was in the Middle East.

01:39:07.000 Yeah, I didn't get that one either.

01:39:08.000 You had that X-rated shit.

01:39:10.000 I took it off.

01:39:10.000 I remember the one with the guy that the newscaster that was walking backwards and the alligator got him.

01:39:16.000 One minute he was like, we're here at the...

01:39:21.000 You know, Clearwater, Florida, to see the raining of the ducks.

01:39:26.000 And the guy's going deeper and deeper and deeper.

01:39:29.000 All the children are here and often just see the guy go, stop it, stop it!

01:39:35.000 And somebody comes and throws a blanket like a leg pops up.

01:39:37.000 Oh my God.

01:39:38.000 I remember the guy hang gliding and he had like the camera and he's hang gliding and just goes into that fucking swamp and then just crocodiles.

01:39:45.000 Oh Jesus Christ.

01:39:47.000 The one with the guy hanging the power.

01:39:50.000 You ever see when you're driving and those guys are hanging the terminals and they show the guy doing something and a bolt.

01:39:57.000 Just blowing him up and him just like his hair going on fire and him just dropping.

01:40:02.000 Like they showed a monkey in China where you go to a restaurant and you hit a monkey in the head.

01:40:07.000 I don't like that shit.

01:40:08.000 Remember that one?

01:40:09.000 You hit him in the head.

01:40:11.000 Yeah, that's awful.

01:40:12.000 How about that one satanic ritual where they supposedly ate?

01:40:15.000 That's fake, though.

01:40:15.000 That was fake?

01:40:16.000 Yeah, that one's fake.

01:40:17.000 There was a few of those that they did where they staged stuff, where they were pulling out the guts.

01:40:22.000 Yeah, and then they started eating it.

01:40:23.000 It looked fake and cheesy, but that poor monkey was really screaming, man.

01:40:26.000 They were hitting him in the fucking head.

01:40:28.000 God damn.

01:40:29.000 That's a hard thing.

01:40:30.000 By the way, that's all before they knew that eating primate brains is like super bad for you.

01:40:36.000 Is it?

01:40:36.000 Fuck yeah.

01:40:37.000 Primates have prions in their brains.

01:40:40.000 That's where you get mad cow disease.

01:40:41.000 Like mad cow disease or Jacob Cruxfeld, however you say it, that disease comes from eating the same tissue as the species that you are.

01:40:51.000 So that's why cows get it.

01:40:52.000 Cows get it from eating brain tissue of other cows.

01:40:56.000 Like you feed cows.

01:40:58.000 That's one of the horrible things about industrialized farming is they would actually take whatever the fuck is left of the cow they're not using and they grind it up and feed it to fucking cows.

01:41:06.000 Cows that are straight vegetarian that are only supposed to be eating grass.

01:41:10.000 They're not even supposed to eat corn.

01:41:12.000 When we eat corn it fucks them up and they're feeding them cow brains.

01:41:16.000 They're feeding them their own bodies.

01:41:18.000 It was hard, and that's how they got mad cow disease.

01:41:22.000 What about your cat brains?

01:41:23.000 That's okay.

01:41:24.000 That's okay.

01:41:25.000 Your cat brains are good.

01:41:26.000 My mother used to slice them thin, bread them with Italian progresso and deep fry them.

01:41:32.000 God damn, a little bit of fucking lemon.

01:41:35.000 My uncle Vinny used to cook them on the grill.

01:41:37.000 Cook what?

01:41:38.000 Hold up!

01:41:39.000 Lamb brains, calf brains, calf.

01:41:41.000 What the fuck are we talking about?

01:41:43.000 Brains of a cow.

01:41:45.000 Oh, I thought you said cats.

01:41:46.000 Calf.

01:41:47.000 Calf.

01:41:47.000 Oh, shit.

01:41:48.000 I'm sorry.

01:41:49.000 Oh, Joe!

01:41:49.000 The fuck is going on here?

01:41:51.000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

01:41:52.000 That's such a small scoop of cat brains.

01:41:54.000 I know, I was like, what?

01:41:54.000 I thought you were a cat guy.

01:41:55.000 What the fuck?

01:41:56.000 No, no.

01:41:57.000 You could, you could.

01:41:58.000 Oh my God, my mom used to slice those cat brains.

01:42:02.000 Calf.

01:42:02.000 I heard cat.

01:42:03.000 Cow.

01:42:03.000 I'm sorry, dog.

01:42:04.000 Yeah, what the?

01:42:05.000 And you squeeze lemon on them, and if I give them to you and go, go ahead, eat that chicken cutlet.

01:42:10.000 You'll go, Joey, these are the best chicken cutlets I ever fucking had.

01:42:13.000 And I'll go, they're not chicken cutlets.

01:42:14.000 They're cow's brains.

01:42:16.000 Yeah, cow brains.

01:42:17.000 It's delicious.

01:42:18.000 It's good, man.

01:42:19.000 It's really good.

01:42:24.000 Don't feed it to another cow.

01:42:26.000 There's a thing called prions, and those are what the problem is.

01:42:29.000 And these prions, here's what's really crazy.

01:42:31.000 It's almost like nature has a foolproof way that has cow's brains.

01:42:35.000 Nature has a foolproof way of making sure it fucks you up with these prions.

01:42:39.000 Because these prions can exist at a thousand plus degrees for a long time.

01:42:46.000 So you can't cook them out.

01:42:49.000 They exist at a temperature way above anything you're ever going to expose your food to.

01:42:53.000 And they can, I think, find out how long prions can exist at over a thousand years.

01:42:59.000 It's something stunning, like hours, hours at a thousand degrees.

01:43:04.000 So you're not going to kill them.

01:43:05.000 So if you got them in your food, if you're eating, and where they found this also, not just in mad cow disease, but in New Guinea, in cannibals.

01:43:14.000 When they find cannibals, they exhibit the same sort of neurological issues where their whole body starts shaking.

01:43:19.000 Like with Jacob's Kruxfeld, it's a lot like Parkinson's.

01:43:23.000 They start fucking shaking.

01:43:24.000 It's a neurological disease.

01:43:27.000 Those prions from eating brain matter from human beings, it actually gets into your system and just fucks you up.

01:43:34.000 Apparently you can eat meat, though.

01:43:36.000 You can eat human meat.

01:43:37.000 It doesn't do anything.

01:43:37.000 And you're fine?

01:43:38.000 Yeah, it's human brains that's the real issue.

01:43:40.000 It's just...

01:43:41.000 Who the fuck is eating human brains?

01:43:43.000 A lot of people, man.

01:43:45.000 I mean, there was one of the best pieces of evidence that human beings and homo sapiens preyed on Neanderthals was finding Neanderthal skulls with their brains scooped out.

01:43:57.000 They had scratch marks on the inside where people were scooping out the brains.

01:44:02.000 They had spoons?

01:44:03.000 They had rocks.

01:44:04.000 They had whatever the fuck they could use to scoop stuff up.

01:44:07.000 But they're scraping.

01:44:08.000 You know, when you're getting a brain, there's that connective tissue is the shit that all goes wrong when you get knocked out too many times.

01:44:14.000 And that connective tissue is this fibrous matrix that holds the brain in place.

01:44:19.000 And they're scraping that shit away with a rock or something.

01:44:21.000 Is that like a gel that covers your brain?

01:44:22.000 The fluid, yeah?

01:44:23.000 There's fluid, but there's also like tissue.

01:44:25.000 There's like fiber.

01:44:26.000 Well, maybe it was raccoon scratch and shit, you know?

01:44:28.000 No, no.

01:44:28.000 It's tools.

01:44:29.000 It's like deep bone scratches.

01:44:31.000 Some gnarly-ass raccoons.

01:44:33.000 Well, they've figured out...

01:44:34.000 They know the difference between what the characteristics of predatory stuff, like an animal that's gnawing on bones, and real obvious slices that came from a tool, like when human beings made those flint tools and shit like that.

01:44:50.000 So they've done enough of those tests where these archaeologists can examine these flint marks on bones and with a very high degree of certainty tell whether or not someone's using a What's one of the more interesting things about Egypt,

01:45:07.000 in fact, is because there's some artifacts in Egypt that are so perplexing.

01:45:12.000 When I had John Anthony West on the podcast, he and I had some conversations about it.

01:45:16.000 It was really interesting because they don't know how the fuck they carve these things out.

01:45:20.000 There's some vases, vase, vase.

01:45:24.000 That they made out of stone that Exhibit like looks like someone cut them with a diamond like some diamond headed drill like they don't they literally don't know how they did it because it's missing all the characteristics of that you would normally get from someone making something like this like the the hole at the front is too small and it goes inside and it's all smooth inside It's like how the fuck did they did this they did it all out of stone They carved it all out of one piece of stone so they can see stuff like They found some other things,

01:45:53.000 different holes in things that they're pretty sure.

01:45:55.000 They used some sort of, if not a diamond drill, some kind of a drill with an incredibly hard tip.

01:46:02.000 But, so they know.

01:46:03.000 They know that people were eating Neanderthal brains.

01:46:07.000 Which is fucked up.

01:46:09.000 It's fucked up.

01:46:10.000 But it makes sense.

01:46:11.000 You know, I mean, we know the Donner Party, they fucking ate each other, and they knew each other, and they ate each other.

01:46:15.000 How about that movie, Alive?

01:46:17.000 Yeah.

01:46:18.000 Remember that plane that went down in Argentina?

01:46:19.000 Yeah.

01:46:20.000 Dude, you get hungry, you do whatever the fuck you gotta do to stay alive.

01:46:24.000 That movie was not...

01:46:24.000 Bro, imagine if we didn't go down to the plane and everybody started looking at me and shit like, dog.

01:46:31.000 Joey got some good ribs.

01:46:36.000 I wonder how long it takes.

01:46:38.000 How many days of no food does it take before you start looking at other dudes and you're like, damn.

01:46:45.000 Like his shoulder starts looking good.

01:46:48.000 Well, it's also like if you were with your friend and you were like trapped somewhere, you would have to think like, okay, if I eat this dude, I have to live with that for the rest of my life.

01:46:59.000 Like even if you guys drew straws, like you said, okay, one of us is going to live, one of us is going to die.

01:47:03.000 If I come up short, I'm jumping off this fucking cliff.

01:47:06.000 You climb down the bottom and eat me.

01:47:08.000 You make an agreement with someone who's so gangster, they actually fall through that.

01:47:13.000 Some Matt Brown type character.

01:47:17.000 So if you did do that, you probably were going to die anyway, eventually.

01:47:22.000 But on your way, you'd be so ridden with guilt.

01:47:26.000 And even if you made it, even if you made it home, you'd still be thinking you'd be fucked for the rest of your life.

01:47:32.000 What kind of a life do you even have now that you ate your buddy?

01:47:35.000 That'd be a good time to know jujitsu, right?

01:47:37.000 In a plane crash and you're trying to survive up in the mountains if there's 20 people.

01:47:42.000 After a while, you just put a little...

01:47:43.000 Nah, you'd be weak.

01:47:44.000 You can't do no fucking jujitsu if you ain't eating.

01:47:46.000 Don't they say after 21 days without foods when you start getting fucked up?

01:47:50.000 That's that naked afraid shit.

01:47:51.000 Three days with water, 21 without food, right?

01:47:54.000 Yeah, well, you're fucked up pretty much right away, but your body goes into a state of ketosis and it eats off as much fat as you have.

01:48:00.000 The more fat you have, the better.

01:48:01.000 You know, we don't think about that with our carbohydrate-rich diets.

01:48:05.000 Look at this.

01:48:05.000 What are you showing me, Jamie?

01:48:06.000 Survival is a last resort in the case of one group, adrift in a lifeboat, 116 passengers, 116 days passed without food before the party turned to eating human flesh.

01:48:15.000 In most cases, anything even remotely resembling food was...

01:48:20.000 First eaten, dogs, candles, leather, shoes, and blankets are all consumed first before cannibalism becomes the only recourse for survival.

01:48:29.000 Leather?

01:48:29.000 Shoes?

01:48:30.000 They eat shoes and blankets?

01:48:31.000 Yeah, blankets.

01:48:32.000 They fucking eat it?

01:48:33.000 Oh, shit.

01:48:34.000 Jesus.

01:48:35.000 That's dark.

01:48:37.000 What you do is you rear-naked choke one dude and just say, hey, look, you fucking had a heart attack.

01:48:41.000 And then you always have another body and you're in charge of that body and you keep telling people...

01:48:46.000 Yeah, but if you choke him out, if you choke him out, his body goes into fucking...

01:48:50.000 then the meat's gonna be tough.

01:48:52.000 Whatever.

01:48:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:48:53.000 It's like when you shoot a deer the wrong way.

01:48:55.000 So you gotta let him die of natural causes, then the meat's tender.

01:48:59.000 Then you cut a little slice off, a leg, and you fucking tenderize it.

01:49:03.000 You gotta wait.

01:49:03.000 It's always like, I'm aging him.

01:49:04.000 You gotta age me?

01:49:06.000 I thought you were gonna kill this guy.

01:49:08.000 No, no, no, I'm killing him with kindness.

01:49:10.000 Yeah, you gotta kill him with kindness, because if you stab him, then the meat is gamey.

01:49:13.000 Gamey.

01:49:14.000 Now, bro, my buddy called me.

01:49:16.000 Did some guy go see you in Colorado?

01:49:17.000 He invented a bullet.

01:49:20.000 That as soon as it hits the duck, it has marinated in it?

01:49:23.000 What?

01:49:23.000 Have you heard about this shit?

01:49:25.000 Or a bow and arrow?

01:49:26.000 I swear to God.

01:49:27.000 It has a marinade?

01:49:28.000 Something for duck that when you shoot the duck, as soon as you hit it, the marination goes in it.

01:49:34.000 I swear to God.

01:49:36.000 That's so silly.

01:49:37.000 That's so ridiculous.

01:49:38.000 Yeah, something crazy.

01:49:39.000 I don't think that would work.

01:49:40.000 And he hit me up and I go, he's in Denver this weekend.

01:49:42.000 Go see him.

01:49:43.000 That guy might be nuts.

01:49:43.000 What if the marination goes bad?

01:49:45.000 The thing about marinade is...

01:49:47.000 Yeah, that's a good point too.

01:49:47.000 I don't know what the fuck it was.

01:49:49.000 It was marinated or salt and pepper.

01:49:50.000 You gotta keep the bullets in the freezer.

01:49:51.000 Salt and pepper's here and we're in a fix.

01:49:54.000 You gotta keep the bullets in the freezer, I think.

01:49:57.000 God, Doug, sounds like a bad business plan, though, Joey, huh?

01:50:00.000 It sounds like a dude who's high on meth and comes up with a wacky idea that's not gonna sell.

01:50:04.000 Come on, Rogan, I got these teriyaki bullets, bro.

01:50:08.000 That's what you have to do.

01:50:09.000 If you're gonna try cannibalism, shoot him with a teriyaki bullet.

01:50:15.000 But marinade is like, if you marinate a steak, you need like a pan, you fill it up with marinade, and you lay it in there, and the idea is it slowly works its way into the muscle, soaks in over like a day or two.

01:50:26.000 Let's say you shoot the duck, he's up in the air, he falls, by the time you get to him, it's two days later.

01:50:33.000 Two days later!

01:50:34.000 Let me get that sprayed, though.

01:50:35.000 Let's get the party started.

01:50:36.000 Let's get the party started.

01:50:38.000 Hey, did you guys see that Krohn fight?

01:50:40.000 Yeah, man.

01:50:40.000 It was amazing.

01:50:41.000 Man, Kawajiri's no joke.

01:50:42.000 That was the first big test, or first real test for Krohn.

01:50:46.000 Yeah, why don't you see if you can find that online?

01:50:47.000 Because I've only seen the finish.

01:50:49.000 I love the way he trapped the leg and caught him with Kawajiri.

01:50:52.000 He's trying to drop stomps on him and stuff, and he's off his back.

01:50:55.000 The whole rising card was sick.

01:50:57.000 It was a great card.

01:50:58.000 He pulled guard three times.

01:51:00.000 Yeah.

01:51:00.000 Why not?

01:51:01.000 He's a freak.

01:51:02.000 People frown upon it.

01:51:03.000 Well, he's another one, but he's another one, like we're talking about, that's like an elite specialist in this one area, you know?

01:51:11.000 I mean, he's not fighting anywhere in UFC type...

01:51:14.000 Was that at 45?

01:51:16.000 I think he's 45. That was at 45, right?

01:51:18.000 Isn't he fighting at 45?

01:51:20.000 I don't know.

01:51:21.000 I'm pretty sure that was at 45. No way.

01:51:22.000 No way is Kawajira 45. That's like 55 or 70. That's Japan, so he might have weighed 45. Kawajira might have weighed 180. Did a grandma fight Gabby, for God's sake?

01:51:32.000 No, he's not that light.

01:51:32.000 I think he's 55 or 65. Krohn probably walks at...

01:51:37.000 180. No!

01:51:38.000 Yes, of course.

01:51:39.000 No way.

01:51:40.000 Of course, he doesn't.

01:51:41.000 Abu Dhabi, 170. What do you think he walks around at?

01:51:44.000 I think he walks at 170. He's, dude, he has size.

01:51:48.000 God, he's not 180. But when we had him on the podcast, he didn't seem that big.

01:51:51.000 He didn't seem 180, but he did seem 170. But I could be wrong.

01:51:54.000 Yeah, you know what?

01:51:55.000 He could be 170, 175. What did they weigh in at, Jamie?

01:51:58.000 What weight he fought at?

01:51:59.000 Jamie will find out for us.

01:52:01.000 Look at him.

01:52:01.000 He's got a figure and a kid t-shirt on.

01:52:02.000 Look at that.

01:52:03.000 I'm not mad at that shirt.

01:52:04.000 Wow.

01:52:04.000 A Fighter and the Kid t-shirt by The Kid.

01:52:06.000 Whoa.

01:52:07.000 Jamie, young, powerful Jamie.

01:52:10.000 It's good that they had that card, but didn't they have that card over three days?

01:52:13.000 Is that what happened?

01:52:14.000 They had the heavyweight tournament over three days, right?

01:52:16.000 That's kind of cool, right?

01:52:18.000 No, that's terrible for your brain.

01:52:19.000 Not for Crow Cop.

01:52:20.000 No, but for the audience.

01:52:22.000 It's like a new festival.

01:52:23.000 It's like a weekend thing.

01:52:25.000 It's like a festival.

01:52:25.000 It's awesome.

01:52:26.000 It's really from that movie Warriors, the only time that existed in real life up until this.

01:52:29.000 Yeah, this ain't the movies.

01:52:30.000 Guys are getting fucked up.

01:52:31.000 Except for Crow Cop.

01:52:33.000 Crow Cop.

01:52:34.000 42. Who did he beat?

01:52:36.000 King Mo.

01:52:37.000 Time.

01:52:38.000 He beat Father Time.

01:52:40.000 King Mo, Father Time, that Iranian monster.

01:52:42.000 Big ass Iranian from AKA. How did he knock him out?

01:52:45.000 Caught him with the left hand.

01:52:46.000 Oh, shit.

01:52:47.000 He fucked King Mo up with the left hand, too.

01:52:48.000 He'd fuck King Mo up with some kicks to the body.

01:52:51.000 Ooh!

01:52:51.000 Nasty.

01:52:52.000 Threw some heat.

01:52:53.000 Look, in Ryzen, Krokop can go back to his old ways.

01:52:57.000 Yeah.

01:52:58.000 You know, there's no USADA in Japan.

01:53:00.000 As a matter of fact, they encourage it.

01:53:02.000 They're like, hop on, buddy.

01:53:03.000 They're like, what are you doing?

01:53:04.000 They both weighed in at 144.4.

01:53:07.000 Kawajiri weighed 144.4, so basically 145. In Japan, you get suspended for not doing steroids.

01:53:13.000 That's crazy.

01:53:15.000 So Krohn is fighting at 145. Yeah, he's a small dude.

01:53:18.000 Listen, how crazy would it be?

01:53:20.000 He got the fight to the ground so easily by just pulling guard.

01:53:24.000 There's no way he was going to take him down.

01:53:26.000 Kawajiri's got some serious wrestling.

01:53:28.000 He's a tough motherfucker.

01:53:29.000 Dude, how crazy would it be to see Krohn in the fucking UFC? That'd be sick.

01:53:34.000 He's 4-0 now, 5-0.

01:53:35.000 But here's the thing.

01:53:37.000 Ooh, trapped that leg really nice.

01:53:39.000 Look at that, look at that.

01:53:39.000 Beautiful job.

01:53:40.000 Smart.

01:53:41.000 Tracked him down, dude.

01:53:42.000 He trains with the right camp to do it, too.

01:53:44.000 Yep.

01:53:44.000 Who's he training with?

01:53:45.000 He's training with the Diaz brothers.

01:53:46.000 Melendez, Jake Shields, the Diaz brothers.

01:53:49.000 Jake Shields got, he lost to John Fitch yesterday.

01:53:51.000 Look at that right there.

01:53:52.000 Pulled guard right there, no problem.

01:53:54.000 Big decision, though.

01:53:56.000 46-49.

01:53:56.000 When he's here, he likes getting in this side guard.

01:54:00.000 I call it the cliff, but it's like a side thing.

01:54:04.000 It's a good position to get good at.

01:54:06.000 Ooh, good dexterity of that right leg.

01:54:08.000 Look at how he sneaks that right leg in and gets that butterfly under the armpit.

01:54:12.000 But if you go back, back up a little, Jamie, watch how he does that.

01:54:14.000 He's such a savage.

01:54:16.000 Ooh, look how slick he is.

01:54:17.000 He has him right there.

01:54:18.000 He's such a savage.

01:54:19.000 Jamie, let's get rid of that TV this week.

01:54:21.000 We have this TV that's not designed for this.

01:54:23.000 You know how classic these images are right here, dude?

01:54:26.000 Yeah.

01:54:26.000 Against the ropes.

01:54:28.000 Ooh, look at that.

01:54:30.000 Look at that.

01:54:30.000 This is like forever shit right here, dude.

01:54:32.000 Look at it, he's thinking.

01:54:33.000 Should I die?

01:54:34.000 This is where we saw Krohn rise, right here.

01:54:36.000 Kyle Jerry's no punk either.

01:54:38.000 Yeah.

01:54:38.000 This is his test.

01:54:39.000 Look at him trying to flip over.

01:54:40.000 And you know what?

01:54:41.000 He didn't even try to take him down.

01:54:42.000 He just kept pulling guard on him.

01:54:44.000 Because he's doing like, I'm to the dance.

01:54:46.000 Kyle Jerry tried to kick him in the face from there, and then he went, how did he get his back here?

01:54:51.000 It's a compilation?

01:54:53.000 Yeah.

01:54:53.000 Oh, okay.

01:54:54.000 That's interesting.

01:54:55.000 Yeah, Krohn's jiu-jitsu is just so next level compared to these guys.

01:54:59.000 Oh, there's no one even close.

01:55:00.000 Yeah, when you're fighting MMA guys, these guys, they're just not going to have the same kind of technique that he has.

01:55:07.000 You know, and he's gonna have to get there, though.

01:55:09.000 I mean, you see...

01:55:10.000 Look at that.

01:55:11.000 Boom.

01:55:11.000 Look at that.

01:55:12.000 Easy takedown.

01:55:13.000 No problem.

01:55:14.000 I'll fight you off my back.

01:55:15.000 Yeah, the UFC right now would be a little tough for him, but...

01:55:17.000 Fuck yeah, it would be.

01:55:18.000 He's obviously on the right path.

01:55:19.000 But the cool thing about pulling guard and having a guard good enough to make it a good idea is you could do it at any time to anybody.

01:55:26.000 Trapped it again.

01:55:26.000 Look, he...

01:55:27.000 Trapped it again that same way.

01:55:28.000 Look at that.

01:55:28.000 He catches that leg when the guy tries to kick him.

01:55:31.000 And Kawajiri's a tough guy.

01:55:32.000 Can you rewind that again?

01:55:33.000 Let me see how he caught that leg.

01:55:36.000 Let's see.

01:55:36.000 A little bit before that.

01:55:37.000 Before that.

01:55:38.000 Right there.

01:55:39.000 Right there.

01:55:40.000 Catches it, wraps it up with his legs, and then uses it to sweep him.

01:55:43.000 Beautiful.

01:55:44.000 Was his dad in his corner?

01:55:45.000 Oh yeah.

01:55:46.000 The legend was in the corner.

01:55:47.000 Look at this.

01:55:48.000 This is classic ass shit right here, man.

01:55:50.000 I'm not mad at the army green gloves, Ryzen.

01:55:53.000 Yeah, that's kind of cool.

01:55:54.000 Yeah.

01:55:55.000 I just think that I just hope they don't continue with that three-man, three-day fight shit.

01:55:59.000 The thing that's weird though, is look at his right arm.

01:56:01.000 Look at Kawajira's right arm, what it does right here.

01:56:03.000 It's not doing anything to defend.

01:56:05.000 Look, it's not really doing anything right there.

01:56:07.000 You're in trouble.

01:56:07.000 It's not doing anything.

01:56:08.000 It's like just hanging out.

01:56:09.000 His right arm, he kind of just...

01:56:12.000 Look at that shot.

01:56:13.000 What are you doing?

01:56:14.000 Look at that shot.

01:56:15.000 Oh, you gotta put your hands to work.

01:56:16.000 There's his dad.

01:56:17.000 There's his dad.

01:56:18.000 Remember that?

01:56:19.000 The Fujita?

01:56:20.000 Yes.

01:56:20.000 I mean, not Fujita.

01:56:22.000 Funaki.

01:56:22.000 Funaki, yeah.

01:56:23.000 Funaki, yeah.

01:56:24.000 Kyle Jury is legit, man.

01:56:26.000 This is a big statement for Crone.

01:56:28.000 Look at him!

01:56:31.000 Yeah, crazy man.

01:56:33.000 What's really interesting is if he keeps going, you know, a couple more fights and continues with his stand-up training, you could easily see him fighting in the UFC in the next few years.

01:56:44.000 Easily.

01:56:45.000 Or maybe he stays at Ryzen and they sign him to an exclusive.

01:56:50.000 The Gracie's in Asia have such a big name.

01:56:53.000 Yeah, he's making bank.

01:56:54.000 He's probably making more money.

01:56:54.000 I bet they'd sign him.

01:57:12.000 No, not right away with no fights?

01:57:16.000 Krohn?

01:57:16.000 Are we talking about the same thing?

01:57:19.000 Why do you think they would do that?

01:57:21.000 I'm saying Krohn right now.

01:57:23.000 What are you guys talking about?

01:57:25.000 Beginning of his career.

01:57:26.000 Before he started.

01:57:28.000 What Eddie's saying is that he went this way.

01:57:30.000 It's a smart way to go.

01:57:31.000 He fought in 1FC, I think.

01:57:35.000 He fought in 1FC, yeah.

01:57:36.000 Look, we would all be better off, everybody would be better off if Ryzen continued to blow up.

01:57:42.000 If they continued to blow up, it'd be just like Pride in the UFC back in the day.

01:57:46.000 It'd be great for everybody.

01:57:47.000 If they develop some sort of Fedor-type character, you know, if someone comes along that is like a legit consideration.

01:57:54.000 Fedor, in my opinion, is the only consideration for not only best pound for pound, but like best heavyweight ever that didn't fight in the UFC. Oh, yeah.

01:58:02.000 He's the only one.

01:58:03.000 I can't think of another one.

01:58:04.000 I think Ryzen and Bellator.

01:58:07.000 If you have those three, if you have those three big dogs where even if American fighters want to stay in America and fight and not be in the UFC, you need Bellator to develop.

01:58:14.000 Yeah, you got to pay attention to one FC, too.

01:58:16.000 I mean, that has nothing to do with Japan, Southeast Asia.

01:58:20.000 It's a whole different...

01:58:21.000 Rich Franklin runs that bitch, doesn't he?

01:58:23.000 He's got some job over there.

01:58:24.000 Wait, Rich Franklin?

01:58:25.000 No, Shotri.

01:58:25.000 No, no.

01:58:26.000 No, no.

01:58:26.000 Rich Franklin got some big executive job there.

01:58:29.000 Oh, he did?

01:58:29.000 Yeah.

01:58:29.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:58:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:31.000 Let me ask you guys something.

01:58:32.000 Now, what's the situation with Cyborg, I think?

01:58:34.000 At this point to check.

01:58:35.000 She's pissed hot again.

01:58:36.000 They're waiting to see what the commission does.

01:58:39.000 What kind of suspension.

01:58:40.000 She's getting at least a year.

01:58:42.000 At least.

01:58:42.000 What she pissed hot for is also an anti-androgen.

01:58:46.000 It's a DHT inhibitor.

01:58:50.000 I used to rub that shit in my head to prevent hair loss.

01:58:53.000 They might give her three years.

01:58:55.000 It inhibits DHT. And it's also used by people who take steroids to diminish the effects of when females take steroids.

01:59:03.000 Diminish the effect.

01:59:04.000 It's also a masking agent.

01:59:07.000 So if you take steroids, some people take that stuff as a masking agent.

01:59:10.000 She's 31?

01:59:11.000 It's also a diuretic.

01:59:12.000 So it's a very weird drug.

01:59:14.000 It's called spironolactane.

01:59:16.000 Lactane?

01:59:17.000 Lactone?

01:59:17.000 But it has many different uses.

01:59:20.000 If she gets three years, that's no bueno.

01:59:22.000 What's her argument?

01:59:24.000 It's not a good argument.

01:59:25.000 All the arguments that she gave are not good arguments.

01:59:27.000 That she took something out of competition, that she was told by her doctor that it would be okay when it's clearly on the USADA banned list.

01:59:35.000 It's 100% banned.

01:59:37.000 It's not like...

01:59:38.000 There's certain things you could take out of contest.

01:59:40.000 Like, the big one's pot.

01:59:42.000 Like, say if they catch you tomorrow and you're supposed to fight in six months and you're smoking weed like crazy, and they test you and they go, look, we've got to test you.

01:59:49.000 You go, look, I just want to let you know I've been smoking a lot of weed.

01:59:51.000 They're like, okay, as long as it's not steroids.

01:59:53.000 That's why Jon Jones didn't get in trouble when he pissed hot for cocaine three weeks out of the fight with Daniel Cormier, because that's not in competition and it's not a performance-enhancing drug.

02:00:03.000 He's just partying, right?

02:00:04.000 So what this is, though, is a performance-enhancing drug.

02:00:07.000 Not just a performance-enhancing drug, but problematic in that it inhibits.

02:00:13.000 It's performance-enhancing in that it works as a diuretic.

02:00:16.000 You're not allowed to use diuretics.

02:00:17.000 Right.

02:00:17.000 But it also inhibits their ability to detect steroids in you.

02:00:23.000 She's in trouble.

02:00:24.000 She's in trouble.

02:00:25.000 USADA is going to eat her ass up.

02:00:26.000 And if she gets three years...

02:00:28.000 Well, here's the thing.

02:00:29.000 How old is she?

02:00:30.000 She's in her mid-30s.

02:00:32.000 Mid-30s.

02:00:32.000 It's time to get going.

02:00:33.000 They tested her because she passed on three world title fights.

02:00:38.000 They had three world title fights lined up for her.

02:00:41.000 At 145, which is the weight class that she asked for, she said she couldn't make it in eight weeks, and so then they gave her more weeks.

02:00:48.000 Skeptical hippolys.

02:00:49.000 Yeah, they gave her a third test, and they were like, something's up.

02:00:52.000 And whether or not they were going to test her anyway, who knows, but that's when they tested her, and that's when she pissed hot.

02:00:57.000 It makes sense.

02:00:58.000 And she did not reveal before that that she was taking that.

02:01:03.000 She's in trouble, man.

02:01:05.000 There it is.

02:01:06.000 Have you seen the skeptical baby?

02:01:07.000 That's huge, dude.

02:01:08.000 This is a skeptical baby now.

02:01:10.000 I see that everywhere.

02:01:13.000 Skeptical baby.

02:01:13.000 Look at that.

02:01:15.000 Look at this baby.

02:01:16.000 That's so funny.

02:01:17.000 This baby's like, bitch!

02:01:19.000 Like, what the fuck?

02:01:20.000 That's skeptical snake, so skeptical.

02:01:23.000 With Cyborg, super skeptical.

02:01:25.000 Skeptical fox.

02:01:27.000 Have you seen the skeptical house?

02:01:29.000 That motherfucker's so skeptical.

02:01:30.000 A skeptical house?

02:01:31.000 And there's a skeptical Cadillac.

02:01:33.000 It's so ridiculous.

02:01:34.000 A skeptical Cadillac?

02:01:34.000 Look at the skeptical house!

02:01:35.000 What the fuck is that?

02:01:36.000 Look at the skeptical house!

02:01:37.000 That's hilarious!

02:01:38.000 How funny is that?

02:01:39.000 Is that a real house?

02:01:41.000 Yes!

02:01:41.000 Those are windows!

02:01:42.000 What the fuck kind of window is that?

02:01:44.000 Skeptical windows.

02:01:45.000 Do you think they did that on purpose?

02:01:46.000 Hell no!

02:01:48.000 What's wrong with people?

02:01:49.000 It almost seems like that was an accident.

02:01:52.000 It's so funny.

02:01:53.000 That is funny.

02:01:54.000 But with Cyborg, she gets three years, she's in trouble.

02:01:56.000 I find the incident too when Rhonda lost again and she's throwing shade at Rhonda.

02:02:00.000 I'm like, bitch, you just got busted for steroids.

02:02:03.000 How do you throw shade at someone?

02:02:05.000 Well, she didn't get busted for steroids.

02:02:05.000 She got busted for a dihydrotestosterone.

02:02:08.000 No, no, no.

02:02:09.000 It's not a precursor.

02:02:09.000 It's a dihydrotestosterone inhibitor.

02:02:13.000 That's what it is.

02:02:13.000 Inhibitor.

02:02:14.000 Yeah.

02:02:14.000 And to me, my brain goes, you're in trouble.

02:02:17.000 Yeah.

02:02:17.000 We know you're in trouble.

02:02:18.000 She certainly could be in trouble.

02:02:19.000 It's one thing if she got...

02:02:20.000 She said that she's got a bunch of issues because she really did wreck her body getting down to 140, which definitely does happen.

02:02:28.000 Yeah, which I'm sure.

02:02:29.000 That seems fair to say.

02:02:31.000 The problem is when you wreck your body, like I think she's saying that she takes in too much water now and her body's like trying to hold on to water and that they gave her a drug to diminish the amount of water.

02:02:41.000 I talked to a couple of doctors about this.

02:02:44.000 I asked some questions, and they all gave me that snake face.

02:02:47.000 They're all like, fuck.

02:02:50.000 With her background, too, it's like, fuck, man.

02:02:53.000 You don't fuck with anything that's illegal, and you definitely don't fuck with anything that people use because they're women that take steroids.

02:03:00.000 Even if it's just a coincidence that you happen to be, you should look at every fucking label extremely carefully.

02:03:06.000 Is that the worst cut of all time?

02:03:09.000 Yeah, it's one of them.

02:03:10.000 What do you mean cut?

02:03:11.000 But here's the thing, man.

02:03:12.000 Here's the thing cut of all time.

02:03:14.000 Fucking Diego Sanchez.

02:03:14.000 Diego Sanchez made 145. He fought him 185 in Ultimate Fighter 1. Kenny Floyd.

02:03:20.000 Here's the problem.

02:03:21.000 She fucking deadlifts 305 pounds a couple weeks after passing on fights.

02:03:27.000 She passes on the fight and then puts up Instagrams of her deadlifting.

02:03:31.000 Massive weight!

02:03:33.000 You know, there was whoever the fuck...

02:03:36.000 Handles her Twitter account because I wrote that up because me and Brett Akimoto were having a discussion about it on Twitter.

02:03:42.000 I love that guy.

02:03:42.000 Very good dude.

02:03:43.000 We were having a little back and forth on Twitter about it.

02:03:46.000 And, you know, he said, isn't it weird that she's not fighting for the title?

02:03:49.000 And I'm like, what's weird is that she passed on the title fight and then post Instagram photos of her deadlifting.

02:03:56.000 And then she responded that it's just like what football players do when they're not in camp.

02:04:00.000 Excuse me?

02:04:00.000 And I'm like, what?

02:04:02.000 You saw that Golden Snitch was like, what would you say?

02:04:05.000 Meanwhile, she's not writing that.

02:04:07.000 I'm looking at the English is perfect.

02:04:08.000 I'm like, this is not...

02:04:09.000 This is whoever works with her or her boyfriend or whoever the fuck handles the Instagram account.

02:04:14.000 I'm like, that's no excuse.

02:04:15.000 There's a lot of maintenance that you do that's not deadlifting 305 fucking pounds.

02:04:20.000 You do that to put on mass.

02:04:22.000 That is why you deadlift.

02:04:23.000 You deadlift to put on fucking mass.

02:04:26.000 She's got muto mass.

02:04:28.000 She's got...

02:04:28.000 She's got plenty of mass.

02:04:30.000 She has no problem with mass.

02:04:33.000 That's not what she needs.

02:04:34.000 If she really wants to fight at 145 pounds and she needs more than eight weeks to make the weight, what she should be doing is long-term cardio and no weight lifting.

02:04:41.000 I guess that's what she's doing too, though, Joe.

02:04:42.000 She goes, I do that, and then I run every morning.

02:04:45.000 Look at this, though, dude.

02:04:45.000 Come the fuck on.

02:04:47.000 Those aren't as heavy as they look.

02:04:49.000 Trying to develop that power, son.

02:04:51.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

02:04:52.000 No, they're made out of light rubber.

02:04:53.000 No, no, that's 300-something pounds, son.

02:04:54.000 That's 305 pounds, bro.

02:04:57.000 That's what she's doing.

02:04:58.000 This is YouTube, though.

02:04:59.000 Why did she tag Gabby Garcia?

02:05:02.000 That's worse.

02:05:03.000 Gabby Garcia helped her.

02:05:05.000 Gabby just started curling that shit.

02:05:07.000 They have the same doctor.

02:05:10.000 Fuck's sake.

02:05:10.000 The whole thing is awful.

02:05:12.000 It's awful.

02:05:13.000 It's awful.

02:05:13.000 Whoever the fuck is in her corner that let her post that video, I'd be like, hey, hey, hey, what are you doing with your phone?

02:05:18.000 What are you doing with your phone?

02:05:19.000 You're going to put that online?

02:05:20.000 Get the fuck out of here.

02:05:21.000 Give me your phone.

02:05:21.000 Because the golden snitch is literally just waiting in the dark.

02:05:24.000 Yeah, if he's looking at that, he's looking at a woman deadlifting 305 for reps.

02:05:29.000 We're going there 6 a.m.

02:05:30.000 tomorrow morning.

02:05:31.000 Yeah.

02:05:31.000 Boom.

02:05:32.000 I mean, look, it is possible that you could get that big and that jacked without anything, but it takes a long fucking time, and that's what you're doing.

02:05:40.000 That's what you're doing all the time.

02:05:42.000 If you look at some of those CrossFit gals, some of those are on steroids, 100%, but some of them are not.

02:05:47.000 And you can get big if you have the right genetics and you do that kind of lifting.

02:05:51.000 But that kind of lifting is for people that want to put on power.

02:05:54.000 She's got ridiculous power.

02:05:55.000 Cyborg has some of the nastiest power you're ever going to see in women's MMA. Probably the most.

02:06:01.000 She has the full range.

02:06:04.000 She'll kick you and knee you and punch you and elbow you, whereas Nunes will kick you hard, but it's her punches that are fucking ferocious and scary.

02:06:11.000 She doesn't hit hard in Cyborg.

02:06:12.000 No way.

02:06:13.000 Cyborg hits you like Mike Tyson with braids.

02:06:16.000 Yeah, she hits girls and you see the cognitive shutoff.

02:06:22.000 She makes world-class girls look like that grandma in Ryzen.

02:06:25.000 She's a beast.

02:06:26.000 It's just unfortunate that there's so much controversy.

02:06:29.000 Like, I would love if there was someone like Cyborg with no shade attached to it, no weirdness attached to it.

02:06:34.000 But now she's got these two strikes against her.

02:06:36.000 Well, Amanda knew this.

02:06:38.000 She has no shade.

02:06:39.000 She knocks girls out.

02:06:40.000 She just murked Misha Tate.

02:06:42.000 You know, you're probably the number two most famous girl of all time in women's MMA. And she just murked the number one.

02:06:47.000 Here's your star with no shade.

02:06:49.000 Great person.

02:06:50.000 That's the other thing that's happening with the youth now.

02:06:53.000 That they're already coming up without that pride.

02:06:56.000 We were getting a lot of guys from pride in the beginning.

02:06:59.000 The juice was okay.

02:07:00.000 These new guys, Cody's and these Amanda Nunez's, they're going to come up straight up.

02:07:06.000 Right, right, right.

02:07:07.000 They're going to come up the right way, which is even scarier.

02:07:10.000 They're not going to flag.

02:07:11.000 There's not going to be no drama.

02:07:13.000 Maybe, I hope not, but that's what I'm saying.

02:07:15.000 You're going to see shorter careers for sure.

02:07:17.000 That this new young generation, you know, I think in MMA you're seeing short careers anyways.

02:07:23.000 To me, I feel the same way as you guys do with it's sad the way Ronda lost, but it's not that sad because she had such a great run.

02:07:30.000 She was a pioneer.

02:07:31.000 She was on the Mount Rushmore of MMA in general.

02:07:34.000 She was on Mount Rushmore.

02:07:35.000 It's really not that sad.

02:07:37.000 God damn, what an iconic run, man.

02:07:40.000 Sad is like a guy like Mark Coleman or a guy like if Mark Hunt were to retire.

02:07:44.000 That's sad.

02:07:45.000 People don't have money and fame.

02:07:46.000 She's sad, man.

02:07:47.000 It's not that sad.

02:07:49.000 She did some great shit, man.

02:07:50.000 She did great things, man.

02:07:51.000 You know what's interesting here that's going on?

02:07:53.000 It's like the Ronda fans, they're not MMA fans, a lot of them.

02:07:58.000 They're Ronda fans.

02:07:59.000 And so you see how they respond to stuff on Twitter, and you see the reaction and the things that they're saying, like...

02:08:05.000 It's very emotional.

02:08:06.000 It's very emotional.

02:08:08.000 It's also almost like they don't understand.

02:08:10.000 They don't understand the sport, you know?

02:08:12.000 Get back on the horse, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, fuck the horse.

02:08:15.000 No, listen to your mom.

02:08:16.000 Your mom's saying stop.

02:08:18.000 Her mom's brilliant.

02:08:19.000 Yeah, and her mom's brutal.

02:08:21.000 She's so brutal.

02:08:21.000 She says, she goes, go let stupid people get punched in the face.

02:08:25.000 Sorry, stupid people.

02:08:26.000 Her mom's brilliant.

02:08:27.000 And she's a doctor.

02:08:28.000 And the good thing for Rhonda, too, out of all this is she's going to find out who's in her corner.

02:08:33.000 There's been so many yes, men.

02:08:34.000 You know how it is in Hollywood.

02:08:36.000 When you're on set, you know how bullshit it is.

02:08:38.000 Your agents, these other people you're working with, these other celebrities telling you how good you are.

02:08:42.000 Well, now when you lose, that phone stops ringing and the texts stop coming.

02:08:47.000 Everyone asks you to dinner, you're going to find out who's in your corner.

02:08:50.000 That's probably what they might be good for her.

02:08:52.000 Now let me ask, what movies did she do the last two years?

02:08:54.000 Because I heard they cut her one thing down and the other one disappeared.

02:08:58.000 Who knows?

02:08:59.000 Who knows what kind of deal she has, but things definitely dried up substantially after the Holly knockout because she's not the same person anymore.

02:09:05.000 The thing about all those deals is when you're a winner in Hollywood and they start throwing all these movies at you and you're some athlete that's coming over...

02:09:14.000 It's all predicated on you being that person that they're selling, right?

02:09:17.000 What are they selling?

02:09:17.000 They're selling this undefeated women's ass kicker.

02:09:20.000 The likes you've never seen before, right?

02:09:22.000 Throwing people in their head, getting them in arm bars.

02:09:24.000 That's what they're selling.

02:09:25.000 Well, that's not you anymore.

02:09:26.000 Now you just got smashed by Holly and then smashed again by Amanda.

02:09:30.000 Yeah, they can't sell your acting abilities.

02:09:33.000 You're not going to be in Shawshank 2. You need acting 2. Did she do Roadhouse?

02:09:38.000 Did she redo Roadhouse?

02:09:39.000 I don't know about any of that stuff.

02:09:42.000 I just know, to his point, where it's almost a good thing for her.

02:09:47.000 It really is, man.

02:09:48.000 It's not a sad story.

02:09:49.000 I don't find it as a sad story.

02:09:51.000 I really don't.

02:09:52.000 Well, it's definitely sad.

02:09:53.000 Well, she was an angel.

02:09:53.000 But it's not the saddest.

02:09:54.000 She did what she had to do and she disappeared, bro.

02:09:56.000 It's not the saddest story.

02:09:57.000 She leaves her all that money.

02:09:59.000 It's no different.

02:09:59.000 Do we feel sorry for Tiger Woods?

02:10:01.000 Like I said, when that foundation rocks, like, what do you think is different with Tiger?

02:10:04.000 His swing?

02:10:05.000 No.

02:10:05.000 His body?

02:10:05.000 No.

02:10:05.000 The difference is Tiger Woods didn't get the fuck beat out of him in 48 seconds.

02:10:09.000 No, no.

02:10:09.000 I know.

02:10:09.000 And that's fighting.

02:10:10.000 But what I'm saying is their mentality changes.

02:10:13.000 Right.

02:10:13.000 Where Tiger was unstoppable.

02:10:15.000 And then something happens.

02:10:16.000 He's had that.

02:10:17.000 He had the scandal.

02:10:18.000 Yes.

02:10:19.000 But then he also had some significant back injuries.

02:10:21.000 Correct.

02:10:21.000 Or, okay, for a better example to your fight example, Mike Tyson.

02:10:25.000 Yeah, that's also wear and tear, too, man.

02:10:27.000 Ah, yeah, you can say that.

02:10:29.000 For Ronda, too.

02:10:30.000 For Ronda, too, it's wear and tear.

02:10:31.000 I'll tell you why I can say that.

02:10:32.000 One of the reasons why is because the driver that I had this weekend in Vegas that took me to the airport was Mike Tyson's driver for 17 years.

02:10:39.000 He and I had a long conversation.

02:10:41.000 Cool dude.

02:10:42.000 I wish I could remember his fucking name.

02:10:44.000 Because I only met him for that brief ride to the airport.

02:10:46.000 But he was telling me how fucked up Tyson was after the Lennox Lewis fight.

02:10:50.000 He's like, dude, Lennox Lewis hit Mike, and Mike was fucked up for a long time for that.

02:10:55.000 And you don't think that.

02:10:56.000 You watch a guy get knocked out, you watch a guy get stopped, and Mike was talking after the fight, and he was like, hey, I'm done, it's over, and he stepped back.

02:11:05.000 But when he goes home, and he's alone, and the cameras are off, and he's got vertigo, and he's got equilibrium problems, and his ears won't stop ringing, and his head won't stop throbbing, you don't see that.

02:11:18.000 He's doing interviews, his head's throbbing, his ears are ringing.

02:11:21.000 There was no internet back then.

02:11:22.000 It's harder to hide nowadays, you know what I mean?

02:11:25.000 Way harder.

02:11:26.000 When you've got your daily thing that you do, and everybody, you've got your followers, and they all know your daily thing, and you guys are doing the daily things, and all of a sudden you disappear.

02:11:33.000 You disappear.

02:11:33.000 Everybody knows you disappear.

02:11:35.000 Back then, no one really knew.

02:11:36.000 You lost a fight.

02:11:37.000 You never really see him again.

02:11:38.000 But it's also, like, when you're suffering alone, the only way people find out is if you talk about it.

02:11:43.000 Like, we don't know what happens to a lot of these guys after they get beat the fuck up.

02:11:47.000 You know, here's one.

02:11:49.000 Terry Edom.

02:11:50.000 When Terry Edom got knocked out by Edson Barboza.

02:11:54.000 The wheel kick from another dimension.

02:11:57.000 It was the first wheel kick KO in the UFC and the worst wheel kick KO. It was fucking horrible.

02:12:03.000 And he has never been the same again.

02:12:05.000 Does he still fight?

02:12:06.000 Yes.

02:12:07.000 He's fought a few times.

02:12:08.000 I feel bad saying that.

02:12:08.000 But before that, Terry Edom was a bad motherfucker.

02:12:11.000 He was really good.

02:12:13.000 And Terry Edom was one of those kids that was coming up like a lot of other guys in the division.

02:12:17.000 He's looking like he might be a contender someday.

02:12:19.000 He's slick.

02:12:20.000 He's got a good kickboxing style.

02:12:23.000 He's got good submissions.

02:12:25.000 He works hard.

02:12:26.000 He's a smart fighter.

02:12:27.000 He's a good guy.

02:12:28.000 You meet him.

02:12:29.000 He's a gentleman.

02:12:30.000 You're like, this kid might have real potential.

02:12:32.000 Yeah!

02:12:34.000 You get hit with those goddamn kicks.

02:12:36.000 And it's life changing.

02:12:37.000 And that's why, to Dana's point, you make as much as you can when you're there, man.

02:12:42.000 That's why your boy Tony Ferguson holding out and being like, I need more money.

02:12:45.000 He could get wheel kicked.

02:12:47.000 The chance of it happening, not good.

02:12:48.000 But he could get wheel kicked.

02:12:50.000 So that's why he was like, dude, I need as much money as possible.

02:12:52.000 Well, he's not going to get wheel kicked against Nurmagomedov, but he could against Barboza.

02:12:57.000 He fought Barboza.

02:12:59.000 He beat him.

02:13:00.000 That Barboza fight was amazing.

02:13:02.000 That was a good fight.

02:13:03.000 Oh, Turney's so fun.

02:13:04.000 Tony Ferguson is one of my favorite guys to watch, for sure.

02:13:07.000 Oh, hell yeah.

02:13:07.000 He's so fun.

02:13:09.000 He's, like you said, he's a straight Barbarian.

02:13:11.000 I hope they figure it out.

02:13:12.000 What's going on with that?

02:13:12.000 Because I saw he posted Instagram that he's in Big Bear.

02:13:16.000 He's in Big Bear with his family, enjoying the snow.

02:13:19.000 Oh, just chilling?

02:13:20.000 He's not training?

02:13:21.000 I thought he was going up there to train.

02:13:23.000 I thought it was on.

02:13:26.000 Not that I know of.

02:13:29.000 You know what they're trying to do?

02:13:30.000 They're trying to do Aldo and Nurmagomedov for a fucking interim 155. And I'm like, how do you have a 155 interim when Conor just won the 155 a week ago?

02:13:40.000 What about Max, though?

02:13:41.000 What about Max Holloway?

02:13:42.000 Poor Max Holloway.

02:13:43.000 Well, he's got the interim 145. Such a shit show.

02:13:47.000 And Holloway is the interim.

02:13:49.000 I don't give a fuck, because Aldo vs.

02:13:50.000 Negomurdov is sick.

02:13:51.000 Yeah, it's a great fight.

02:13:54.000 Well, especially when you see what happened with Michael Johnson.

02:13:58.000 Michael Johnson's stunned.

02:13:59.000 Habib.

02:14:00.000 You know, he stung him.

02:14:01.000 He hit him and stung him.

02:14:02.000 And Michael Johnson, with all due respect, is nowhere near the striker that Jose Aldo is.

02:14:07.000 Jose Aldo's on a totally different level.

02:14:09.000 You think Jose's as powerful as Johnson?

02:14:10.000 Explosive?

02:14:11.000 That's a very good question, because he's not as big.

02:14:12.000 He's been fighting at 145 his whole career, and he's going to be fighting a fucking gorilla.

02:14:20.000 There's a difference between Johnson's bottom game and Aldo's bottom game.

02:14:25.000 100%.

02:14:25.000 Aldo's will be way better.

02:14:28.000 Also, Aldo's kicks, they're a giant factor.

02:14:32.000 Because if Aldo, who has amazing takedown defense, fucking amazing, Aldo has some of the best takedown defense.

02:14:39.000 So he's also got fucking nasty leg kicks.

02:14:43.000 So if Nurmagomedov moves at him, What is this?

02:14:46.000 Who is this?

02:14:47.000 What are you showing me here?

02:14:48.000 Habib Nurmagomedov slams UFC for lying to the fans about Jose Aldo.

02:14:51.000 Demands relevant fight against...

02:14:53.000 Why is he saying he's lying to the fans?

02:14:55.000 Let's see.

02:14:55.000 Let's see what he says here.

02:14:56.000 Oh, shit.

02:14:57.000 No, it'll come back on.

02:14:58.000 This goddamn screen, dude.

02:15:00.000 It's clear to everyone that you hiding Connor from me...

02:15:04.000 But stop lying to your fans like I don't want fight with Aldo.

02:15:08.000 I'm ready to fight with anyone in my division.

02:15:10.000 Give me relevant fight so you won't...

02:15:12.000 First of all, take your phone away from your sister.

02:15:14.000 Somebody got this phone and making...

02:15:16.000 No, he's definitely doing it.

02:15:18.000 The broken English is so rough, but I love it.

02:15:21.000 It makes it more gangster.

02:15:22.000 Okay, you've never matched up.

02:15:23.000 What is it?

02:15:24.000 I can't see that, Jamie.

02:15:25.000 This thing's in front of me.

02:15:25.000 Oh, you've never matched up two guys with a 9-8 win streak in UFC. Never in UFC history.

02:15:31.000 Okay, that doesn't mean anything.

02:15:32.000 See, here's the problem.

02:15:34.000 Sorry, Tony Ferguson is too expensive.

02:15:36.000 I see what he's saying, but let me explain why he's wrong.

02:15:39.000 They need big, relevant fights to sell pay-per-views right now.

02:15:43.000 That's all they care about.

02:15:44.000 And here's the deal.

02:15:45.000 The UFC was purchased for $4 billion.

02:15:51.000 Billion.

02:15:51.000 Imagine if you bought a...

02:15:53.000 I mean, you own a place, right?

02:15:55.000 Correct.

02:15:55.000 You own your house?

02:15:56.000 Yeah.

02:15:56.000 You know what a mortgage is.

02:15:57.000 Sure do.

02:15:57.000 Mortgages are pretty cunty.

02:15:58.000 You look at them every month and go, Jesus.

02:16:01.000 Now, if you have a mortgage for a nice house and you spend a million bucks, That's a fucking nut you got to make every month, man.

02:16:07.000 You got to think about it.

02:16:08.000 You got to go, okay, we got the mortgages covered.

02:16:10.000 All right.

02:16:11.000 And then you move on with all the other bills, right?

02:16:12.000 Tell me about it, son.

02:16:14.000 Imagine a $4 billion house.

02:16:16.000 What kind of fucking mortgage?

02:16:19.000 And how do we pay the bills?

02:16:20.000 By doing huge fights.

02:16:23.000 Huge fights.

02:16:23.000 So we got to figure some shit out.

02:16:24.000 Huge fights.

02:16:25.000 Interim, interim, interim.

02:16:26.000 Everybody got a belt.

02:16:27.000 And the reality is, Jon Jones is suspended, and Jon Jones isn't even the champ right now.

02:16:31.000 So when he comes back, he's not even fighting for a world title, unless he fights for the world title.

02:16:36.000 So you gotta have...

02:16:37.000 DC has gotta be healthy, or you gotta have Jon fight for an interim.

02:16:41.000 Because they're just throwing interims out like they're fucking flyers that they put on your car when dudes are trying to sell car washes and shit.

02:16:48.000 It's a good time to be in the UFC. And my brother...

02:16:50.000 If they don't start getting these fucking cards selling, there's going to be another season of Fear Factor's going to be added on pretty soon.

02:16:57.000 No, there's not.

02:16:58.000 You're going to see CM Punk versus some Brad Pitt shit just to sell pay-per-views or some shit.

02:17:02.000 They'll do something, dawg.

02:17:03.000 I don't know what they're going to do.

02:17:05.000 You know, who knows if I'll be there for it.

02:17:07.000 But when you look at the title picture, that card that they have in Brooklyn, I mean, that's a pay-per-view card, and it looks like an FS1 card right now.

02:17:20.000 I'm sure they're going to juice it up.

02:17:21.000 They'll get more.

02:17:22.000 You better be a die-hard fan to pay $60 for that shit.

02:17:26.000 It's hard.

02:17:26.000 It's hard to make those cards.

02:17:28.000 So I think we kind of nailed it when we were talking about it earlier.

02:17:31.000 Like, what guys sell pay-per-views?

02:17:33.000 I think Woodley is a bigger star now than he beat Wonderboy, but he still wants that big...

02:17:39.000 And Dana and I were having this conversation.

02:17:40.000 He's like, you can't have Nick Diaz.

02:17:42.000 He goes, Nick Diaz hasn't won a fight since 2011. You can't have him step in and just go right up to the title and fight.

02:17:47.000 It sells, though, though.

02:17:48.000 That's what I said.

02:17:48.000 I said, but I want to see it.

02:17:50.000 And he goes, I want to see it, too.

02:17:51.000 But you can't just do that.

02:17:52.000 You can't sell it.

02:17:52.000 Well, no one's going to take the sport serious.

02:17:54.000 If you give a guy who hasn't won since 2011 or 12, give him a title shot.

02:17:58.000 Fans are going to be like, come on, bro.

02:17:59.000 You say that, but I think they missed the boat if they wanted to make the fucking big money.

02:18:05.000 It's Nick Diaz versus Conor McGregor.

02:18:07.000 No, he's too big, brother.

02:18:08.000 Whatever, they fight at 170. Oh, come on!

02:18:11.000 Connor fought at 170. His brother was too big for him.

02:18:14.000 Do you think he's too big?

02:18:15.000 Way too big.

02:18:16.000 I think that talk is nonsense, because Connor's a 155-pound champ.

02:18:20.000 Nate fought at 155 most of his career.

02:18:22.000 He fought at 170 a couple of times, and he's undersized.

02:18:25.000 Dong Yong Kim beat him at 170. He's a good...

02:18:28.000 He's a legit 170-er, though.

02:18:30.000 Especially now.

02:18:31.000 He's older now, too.

02:18:33.000 Maybe, but he fights 155 easy.

02:18:35.000 He looked great against Michael McDonald at 55. Tyron Woodley can't make 55. He looked great against Michael Johnson.

02:18:39.000 If his fucking life depends on it, Tyron Woodley's not going to make it 55. I know, and he's entertaining that fun.

02:18:43.000 The champ can't make 155 at 170. Nate can't.

02:18:47.000 So Nate is not a real 170. Now here's to your point, and Dana's point, he hasn't won a fight since 2011, and you're going to have Conor, your cash cow, fight this monster who hasn't won forever?

02:18:58.000 It's a great story.

02:19:00.000 It really is.

02:19:00.000 I love a great story.

02:19:02.000 Big Brother steps in?

02:19:03.000 Come on, son.

02:19:04.000 I would watch it.

02:19:04.000 I would watch it, man.

02:19:06.000 But to your point, they have to figure something out to get these stars.

02:19:09.000 Because you can't do it overnight.

02:19:11.000 To me, it doesn't matter.

02:19:12.000 You put Nick Diaz for what he's done out of respect, who's going to complain?

02:19:15.000 Well, apparently they offered Nick Diaz Robbie Lawler.

02:19:18.000 And Nick passed on it.

02:19:20.000 That's the word.

02:19:21.000 That's the word behind the scenes.

02:19:22.000 Interesting.

02:19:23.000 Maybe I'm not supposed to say that.

02:19:24.000 But I wanted to see that fight.

02:19:26.000 I would love to see that rematch.

02:19:27.000 But I think Nick wants a fucking title fight.

02:19:30.000 I think Nick is like, look, I want a big, big name or a title fight.

02:19:33.000 I love how they make these demands now.

02:19:35.000 He's got money.

02:19:35.000 Nick made some money.

02:19:36.000 He's not ridiculous.

02:19:37.000 He doesn't spend it all.

02:19:39.000 Well, how about Nate?

02:19:39.000 I'm not answering the call unless it's $20 million.

02:19:42.000 Yeah, we talked about that.

02:19:43.000 Get him, son!

02:19:44.000 We talked about that recently in the podcast.

02:19:46.000 I was like, well, let's break this down.

02:19:47.000 Because, like, let's say they do a million pay-per-view buys, which is, like, top end, right?

02:19:51.000 There's only a few people that have ever sold a million.

02:19:53.000 It's like Brock, Rhonda, Connor.

02:19:56.000 That's it, okay?

02:19:56.000 A million is top of the food chain.

02:19:58.000 So a million pay-per-view buys at $60, you're taking one-third right off the bat for Nate.

02:20:04.000 It's really hard to justify giving someone $20 million for a fight.

02:20:09.000 It's going to be real hard.

02:20:10.000 Connor could demand that.

02:20:11.000 Conor's like one of the only guys that can get that kind of money.

02:20:15.000 He's the only guy.

02:20:16.000 You think eventually guys will just start doing, like they get so big, like Conor.

02:20:20.000 He just does his own show and he gets his own people to produce.

02:20:23.000 No, the UFC lawyers are too good to let you get out of your contract to do that.

02:20:25.000 They realize that.

02:20:27.000 If Nate had a legit fight with someone other than Conor that was exciting, the problem is there's no one else in the division that's got that kind of marquee value.

02:20:37.000 At 55?

02:20:37.000 Yeah, there's no one in the division that has the kind of marquee value that if you had a...

02:20:40.000 Look, I think Nate is a fucking huge star.

02:20:44.000 Especially now.

02:20:45.000 I mean, after he beat Conor, he's one of the biggest stars outside of that upper echelon pay-per-view level.

02:20:51.000 I give him top ten.

02:20:52.000 But he's not a world title holder right now.

02:20:54.000 No.

02:20:54.000 So, if you wanted to really have a big fight for Nate, you would have to have him, that would work.

02:21:00.000 Have him fight Aldo.

02:21:01.000 That would work.

02:21:02.000 That would work.

02:21:03.000 And the winner of that fight's color.

02:21:05.000 Is GSP ever coming back?

02:21:06.000 GSP, apparently, they couldn't work out the deal with the Reebok deal.

02:21:09.000 Like, he's got a deal with Under Armour.

02:21:11.000 He's got a big deal with Under Armour.

02:21:13.000 He makes a lot of money through Under Armour.

02:21:15.000 Monthly shit.

02:21:15.000 Yeah, and so he couldn't work out a deal that was worth it to him.

02:21:21.000 There was an offer on the table.

02:21:22.000 He didn't like it.

02:21:24.000 They're still talking.

02:21:25.000 He still says he wants a fight.

02:21:27.000 But if the UFC, now that they've lost Ronda, most likely lost Ronda.

02:21:32.000 We don't know what happens.

02:21:34.000 She's not the same draw anymore.

02:21:36.000 She's definitely not the same draw anymore.

02:21:37.000 It's a tough sell.

02:21:37.000 Definitely a tough sell.

02:21:39.000 But, I mean, who fucking knows, a year and a half down the line, she's still only, what is she, 29?

02:21:44.000 She's 30. I think Rhonda can still get pay-per-views if she comes back in a year.

02:21:48.000 For sure, but it's not the same.

02:21:50.000 It's not the same.

02:21:51.000 That babysitting money flows like water.

02:21:53.000 For sure.

02:21:53.000 People will not want to watch it even more.

02:21:55.000 But she's not fighting anytime soon, so you can't bank on her as part of your stable.

02:22:00.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:22:00.000 So you got to move on from it.

02:22:01.000 If she comes, great.

02:22:02.000 Let's keep going.

02:22:03.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:22:04.000 Yeah.

02:22:04.000 It's interesting, man.

02:22:06.000 It's a crazy sport.

02:22:07.000 It goes up, it goes down, it moves all over the place.

02:22:09.000 Every sport's like this, though.

02:22:11.000 Here's the other thing.

02:22:12.000 When is Brock Lesnar back?

02:22:13.000 I mean, if Brock Lesnar's suspended...

02:22:15.000 The first of never.

02:22:16.000 That's not true.

02:22:18.000 God damn it, son.

02:22:20.000 Listen, he only got suspended for clomiphene.

02:22:23.000 Clomiphene, even though it enhances steroids, your recovery from steroids, because it reduces estrogen.

02:22:31.000 It's post-psychotherapy for steroids.

02:22:32.000 It's definitely not good.

02:22:34.000 But it also exists in a bunch of different supplements, like over-the-counter stuff.

02:22:37.000 Hey, man, a jargon he wasn't taking?

02:22:39.000 No.

02:22:40.000 No, I'm not.

02:22:41.000 What I'm saying is, how much time do you think they're going to give him off?

02:22:43.000 Like, how much time are they going to...

02:22:44.000 How many times are we going to let him not do the USADA test and go in there and beat up a guy?

02:22:48.000 But no, no, no.

02:22:49.000 He'll have to do the USADA test again.

02:22:50.000 He didn't last time.

02:22:51.000 Because the last time he did it, they had a couple exemptions where they can get in on the four-month thing that they built in in case they wanted to make a big fight where they could sign somebody.

02:22:59.000 So that one obviously blows up in their face.

02:23:02.000 And...

02:23:03.000 He's gonna get suspended, but how long?

02:23:05.000 For how long?

02:23:06.000 I thought they gave him a year and $225,000 fine.

02:23:08.000 Is that what it is?

02:23:09.000 Pretty sure.

02:23:09.000 Okay, so that's from what?

02:23:11.000 July?

02:23:12.000 Yeah, it's all...

02:23:13.000 That's retroactive.

02:23:14.000 Yeah, retroactive.

02:23:15.000 So that ain't that long from now.

02:23:17.000 We're in January, February, March, April, May, June, six months.

02:23:20.000 Then the heavyweight division needs him.

02:23:22.000 Fuck yeah!

02:23:24.000 John Jones, first heavyweight fight, Brock Lesnar.

02:23:28.000 You're welcome.

02:23:31.000 Can you imagine that fight?

02:23:33.000 John would murk him.

02:23:34.000 Do you think so?

02:23:35.000 Yes.

02:23:36.000 He'd murk him in the grappling?

02:23:37.000 I think you're just completely down there.

02:23:39.000 I think fucking Steopik would fucking wreck him.

02:23:42.000 You piss that motherfucker off in Cleveland and he'll fuck Brock Lesnar.

02:23:48.000 Because he'll say it.

02:23:49.000 You better do the fucking steroids.

02:23:51.000 Steopik is crazy.

02:23:52.000 I love that motherfucker.

02:23:53.000 I love him.

02:23:54.000 He's got that immigrant mentality.

02:23:56.000 Bring him on.

02:23:57.000 He's born in America.

02:23:58.000 Give him more fucking steroids.

02:24:00.000 What's that?

02:24:00.000 He's born in America.

02:24:01.000 Yeah, whatever the fuck he is, but his name is Miocic.

02:24:03.000 Definitely born and raised in Cleveland, Ohio, but whatever.

02:24:05.000 He's got that fucking crazy blood in him.

02:24:08.000 And he don't give a fuck.

02:24:09.000 He proved it.

02:24:09.000 Listen, he proved it with fucking Overeem.

02:24:12.000 He don't give a fuck.

02:24:13.000 Put him in there with Brock Lesnar.

02:24:15.000 Go ahead, I dare you.

02:24:16.000 The Brock that fought Mark Hunt.

02:24:18.000 Yeah.

02:24:19.000 That juice to the gill, fucking Brock Lennon, who just ragdolled poor Mark Hunt, fucking guy.

02:24:25.000 Yeah, but Mark Hunt's never been the kind of grappler that Stipe is.

02:24:28.000 Stipe's way better at defending takedowns.

02:24:30.000 Oh, no, I think Stipe beats him.

02:24:31.000 And you know what?

02:24:32.000 If he punches Stipe in the face, it's going to get more steam out of his fucking ears.

02:24:35.000 And you saw what Stipe did to Mark Hunt.

02:24:37.000 He won't land a hit on Stipe.

02:24:38.000 Brock Lesnar ain't coming back.

02:24:39.000 Brock Lesnar ain't never coming back.

02:24:40.000 Well, he's not going to come back and fight for a world title right away.

02:24:43.000 You don't think so?

02:24:44.000 No.

02:24:44.000 That was the biggest embarrassment of the fucking year.

02:24:48.000 That was the biggest fucking embarrassment of the year.

02:24:50.000 Why would that be?

02:24:51.000 Embarrassment, bro.

02:24:52.000 What was embarrassing?

02:24:53.000 Just embarrassing him against Mark Hunt.

02:24:55.000 They knew he was on the juice.

02:24:56.000 He went in there loaded to the gills.

02:24:58.000 It was just an embarrassing fucking thing.

02:25:00.000 It was an embarrassing thing for everybody.

02:25:02.000 And Mark Hunt had every fucking right to be mad.

02:25:05.000 They put him in there with a guy that's coming off rocket fucking fuel.

02:25:08.000 That dude just don't eat D-ball.

02:25:10.000 Look at the size of his fucking head.

02:25:12.000 He's taking shit that makes your fucking That's what they give the fucking pitbulls.

02:25:17.000 I hope they put them against Mayo chicks.

02:25:19.000 I will fly to fucking Cleveland.

02:25:21.000 That gum is climbing out of your mouth.

02:25:24.000 I found this knot in my nose that was bigger than this gum.

02:25:26.000 They had to take the gum out to eat it.

02:25:28.000 Anyway.

02:25:30.000 You ate a booger?

02:25:31.000 Oh, it was so long.

02:25:32.000 It was like a coke booger.

02:25:33.000 I got a flashback from the 80s.

02:25:35.000 I inhaled that motherfucker anyway.

02:25:36.000 Why did you eat a booger?

02:25:38.000 Because I love him.

02:25:39.000 I love them.

02:25:40.000 From time to time, I have a little pimple.

02:25:42.000 What the fuck is wrong with you?

02:25:43.000 And I squeeze it, and it just comes out like a stream.

02:25:45.000 And it's got like a little clam.

02:25:47.000 I was on board with you with all the Stephen A talking shit.

02:25:50.000 Do you really eat boogers?

02:25:51.000 Listen, from time to time, when you do coke for 30 years, it's a habit.

02:25:55.000 You wake up in the morning, pick one out.

02:25:57.000 It's like a fucking candy cane with coke on it.

02:26:00.000 You inhale that motherfucker.

02:26:01.000 It's like going to the dentist for free.

02:26:03.000 I will throw up on this fucking table.

02:26:05.000 Do you ever do this?

02:26:06.000 I feel lightheaded.

02:26:07.000 While you're eating boogers.

02:26:09.000 Let's be honest with ourselves.

02:26:11.000 We're all friends here.

02:26:11.000 That was the most embarrassing fucking thing I ever seen.

02:26:14.000 I agree.

02:26:14.000 They knew he was on it, and they put that fucking animal in there, okay?

02:26:18.000 And you know what, man?

02:26:19.000 Go ahead.

02:26:20.000 Keep doing those steroids.

02:26:21.000 Put him in there against Spielberg.

02:26:23.000 Whatever.

02:26:24.000 I love that Cleveland motherfucker dude.

02:26:26.000 Stipe.

02:26:26.000 Just call him Stipe.

02:26:27.000 He'll kill him.

02:26:27.000 He'll fucking kill him in general.

02:26:29.000 I don't think they would ever be able to have him come off a suspension and fight for the title.

02:26:35.000 That's not how it goes.

02:26:36.000 They've done it before.

02:26:37.000 Four billion dollars.

02:26:39.000 They'll eat a scab off an Iranian's head right now.

02:26:41.000 Four billion dollars.

02:26:44.000 Right now, they're fucking sitting there going, we lost Ronda.

02:26:46.000 Take the gum out of your mouth.

02:26:47.000 You're driving me crazy.

02:26:48.000 Give me a tissue.

02:26:50.000 We lost Ronda, and the only other thing we got is fucking Conor.

02:26:54.000 He's having a baby.

02:26:55.000 He don't want to fucking come back.

02:26:56.000 No.

02:26:57.000 He's talking about he might come back right after the first of the year.

02:27:00.000 Yeah, but they don't want to give him who he's supposed to fight.

02:27:02.000 Who's he supposed to fight?

02:27:03.000 He's supposed to fight that fucking Khal Habib.

02:27:04.000 End of story.

02:27:06.000 End of story.

02:27:07.000 No more fucking around.

02:27:08.000 But they would give him that.

02:27:09.000 No more fucking around.

02:27:10.000 Well, then let's do it.

02:27:11.000 Let's set it up.

02:27:12.000 No, that's not a money fight.

02:27:14.000 Yeah, I'm with Joey.

02:27:14.000 Let's fucking do it.

02:27:15.000 Let's fuck that shit.

02:27:16.000 You don't need to fight Aldo.

02:27:18.000 You don't need to fight nobody.

02:27:19.000 He's number one, right?

02:27:20.000 Or is your boy number one?

02:27:22.000 Tony?

02:27:23.000 Khabib's number one.

02:27:23.000 Okay, then that's the fight.

02:27:25.000 Enough.

02:27:26.000 But wait a minute, Tony was number one, and then Khabib became number one.

02:27:30.000 Why did Khabib leapfrog Tony?

02:27:32.000 I don't know.

02:27:33.000 Who knows the rankings?

02:27:34.000 Those two should really fight.

02:27:36.000 But he's only fought a couple times in the past X amount of years.

02:27:39.000 Khabib's number one.

02:27:40.000 Well, that's the thing he did.

02:27:42.000 Listen, he's fighting now.

02:27:43.000 He's available today.

02:27:44.000 He's available today.

02:27:45.000 He's available for Brooklyn.

02:27:47.000 He said it when he fought against Michael Johnson.

02:27:49.000 He's available for fucking Brooklyn.

02:27:51.000 Okay?

02:27:52.000 He's available for Brooklyn.

02:27:53.000 Interesting.

02:27:54.000 Let's get Eddie against Raphael.

02:27:55.000 That's a good fight.

02:27:57.000 Let's get Edson back in there.

02:27:58.000 People like watching him.

02:27:59.000 Eddie and Raphael just fought.

02:27:59.000 Let's get Bonio DeRius in there.

02:28:02.000 We got some fucking people here, okay?

02:28:04.000 Yeah, a lot of good guys here.

02:28:05.000 We got a lot of everywhere.

02:28:06.000 Where the fuck are they?

02:28:07.000 Why aren't they fighting?

02:28:08.000 This guy here, this kid here, he sells pay-per-views.

02:28:10.000 Donald Cerrone.

02:28:11.000 Not 300,000.

02:28:13.000 But he's always good.

02:28:15.000 But he's fighting at 170. Robbie Lawler, that guy there is good.

02:28:19.000 They got it.

02:28:20.000 Joey needs to be the matchmaker.

02:28:21.000 They fucking got it, okay?

02:28:23.000 Well, no.

02:28:24.000 Yeah, man, it's an interesting situation, isn't it?

02:28:26.000 They got plenty of good fucking fighters.

02:28:27.000 They got a whole shitload of them.

02:28:28.000 They just don't want to give us the fights we want to see.

02:28:31.000 No, they don't.

02:28:32.000 That's the fucking problem.

02:28:33.000 What fight don't they want to give you?

02:28:34.000 I want to see Khal Habib.

02:28:35.000 That's the fight.

02:28:36.000 Habib.

02:28:37.000 That's it.

02:28:37.000 End the story.

02:28:38.000 There's no Aldo.

02:28:39.000 There's no Tony Ferguson.

02:28:41.000 There's no babies.

02:28:42.000 There's no nothing.

02:28:43.000 But he has a baby.

02:28:44.000 Brooklyn.

02:28:44.000 But he's got a baby.

02:28:45.000 But it's also not a big draw for him.

02:28:47.000 It's not a big draw for him, Joey.

02:28:49.000 You got three babies.

02:28:51.000 I throw 20 million on you.

02:28:52.000 The babies wait six weeks.

02:28:53.000 But Conor's already got 20 million.

02:28:55.000 That's the difference.

02:28:56.000 He wants to take time.

02:28:58.000 His life is more important than what the UFC wants.

02:29:01.000 He's running the show.

02:29:03.000 I agree with you.

02:29:03.000 He's running the show.

02:29:04.000 Then May 5th, Memorial Day weekend.

02:29:07.000 Let's call Habib and him.

02:29:08.000 Habib.

02:29:09.000 Habib.

02:29:10.000 Say it.

02:29:11.000 Habib.

02:29:12.000 Habib.

02:29:12.000 Habib Nurmagomedov.

02:29:12.000 Give Ferguson Saron.

02:29:13.000 Let's have some fun.

02:29:14.000 Give Ferguson Saron.

02:29:15.000 Let's have some fucking fun.

02:29:16.000 That's a fight.

02:29:17.000 No, no, no.

02:29:18.000 Saron is not fighting 55 again.

02:29:20.000 I didn't say that, but we're all mixing.

02:29:22.000 We're all mixing weights right now.

02:29:24.000 Did we not say that before?

02:29:25.000 They want to put Aldo against Khabib.

02:29:27.000 But no, Aldo's thinking about moving up anyway.

02:29:29.000 Moving up anyway, so who gives a fuck?

02:29:30.000 It seems like he's kind of chasing like a chess move.

02:29:33.000 Yeah, he's chasing.

02:29:33.000 He's chasing.

02:29:34.000 He wants that fight.

02:29:35.000 He wants that fight.

02:29:36.000 That's what everybody wants to see again, whatever the fucking order is.

02:29:39.000 But the order that they're trying to put together is the order that I don't want to see.

02:29:44.000 Well, because they have to sell pay-per-views, Joey.

02:29:46.000 They're going to do this, okay?

02:29:47.000 This is the route, you fucks.

02:29:49.000 The rap they want to do is they're going to bring him back against fucking the black dude at 170. That's the fight.

02:29:57.000 Tyron Woodley?

02:29:58.000 That's already been made at the thing.

02:30:00.000 That's going to come together.

02:30:01.000 Slow the fuck down.

02:30:02.000 Watch it.

02:30:03.000 Watch it.

02:30:03.000 Well, we just said that Woodley's going to fight Bisping in a catchweight fight.

02:30:06.000 I know.

02:30:07.000 I know.

02:30:07.000 That's all great.

02:30:08.000 They're going to fight.

02:30:08.000 Watch.

02:30:09.000 You think that Tyron Woodley is going to fight...

02:30:11.000 Tyron Woodley.

02:30:12.000 That was already established in New York.

02:30:13.000 Tyron Woodley.

02:30:14.000 Tyron.

02:30:15.000 Tyron Woodley is already going to fucking fight him, okay?

02:30:18.000 That's the first fight.

02:30:19.000 Then they're gonna try to...

02:30:20.000 That's the fight they're gonna put there at 170 maybe in May.

02:30:23.000 What happened to Khabib?

02:30:24.000 Then they're gonna...

02:30:25.000 This is what...

02:30:26.000 So you think he's gonna go to 170 and fight for the title?

02:30:28.000 This isn't my fucking decision.

02:30:29.000 This isn't my decision.

02:30:30.000 This is beyond you.

02:30:31.000 This is beyond me.

02:30:31.000 How do you know this?

02:30:32.000 Because I haven't really seen the setup at the fucking New York where you fucking blind because you didn't see what I see.

02:30:37.000 But I talked to them.

02:30:38.000 I know you talked to them, but they don't tell you dick.

02:30:40.000 But I'm talking to the people behind the scenes.

02:30:41.000 You didn't know they were getting sold.

02:30:42.000 You didn't know until they fucking sold it.

02:30:43.000 I did at the end.

02:30:45.000 I understand.

02:30:46.000 But the problem is here that the seed was already planted in New York.

02:30:51.000 It was already planted.

02:30:52.000 None of you motherfuckers saw it.

02:30:53.000 What are you guys watching?

02:30:54.000 What seed?

02:30:54.000 The seed of him talking back and forth with Tyron Woodley, okay?

02:30:59.000 That's the fucking seed!

02:31:00.000 Jesus Christ.

02:31:01.000 That's the fucking seed!

02:31:02.000 It smells like a zoo in your mouth.

02:31:05.000 He's gonna look at Kalabeeb already at the press conference.

02:31:10.000 Kalabeeb again?

02:31:10.000 Already Khabib.

02:31:11.000 He said he doesn't fight enough.

02:31:14.000 Okay, what's going on here?

02:31:15.000 That's kind of Wayne's talking shit tone.

02:31:17.000 That's the scene, you dumb fucks!

02:31:19.000 That's the scene!

02:31:20.000 What's happening here?

02:31:20.000 What is he saying?

02:31:21.000 He's just talking shit to him.

02:31:22.000 Can we hear what he said?

02:31:24.000 I don't think so.

02:31:25.000 It went on.

02:31:25.000 It's just Conor talking shit.

02:31:27.000 And then Tyron said some shit.

02:31:28.000 What did he say?

02:31:29.000 Did it come out?

02:31:31.000 He said something like, you're lucky I don't come to 70 or something.

02:31:34.000 We can do it.

02:31:36.000 Look at him.

02:31:36.000 Try to be cute with him.

02:31:38.000 See?

02:31:39.000 Hey, bro.

02:31:42.000 It got set up right there.

02:31:45.000 Okay?

02:31:45.000 So that's the next fucking fight, guys.

02:31:47.000 It's Connor saying we can do it at 70. We can do it at 70. Damn!

02:31:50.000 Joey, what is that shit?

02:31:51.000 You people don't see dick because you see what you want to fucking see.

02:31:54.000 That's the next fight.

02:31:56.000 He already planted the fucking seed.

02:31:58.000 He's not going to fight Tyron.

02:31:59.000 He's going to fight Tyron.

02:32:01.000 And killed more time for Colin Bean like they threw Dennis Seaver on him when Frankie Edgar was fucking lurking.

02:32:07.000 When Frankie Edgar was running, they threw Dennis Seaver out of him.

02:32:10.000 Oh, poor Dennis Seaver.

02:32:12.000 Dennis Seaver's available.

02:32:14.000 Look at the color of his skin.

02:32:16.000 Look how red he gets.

02:32:18.000 Hey, he's talking some truth here.

02:32:20.000 It's in between fucking.

02:32:21.000 He doesn't want to fight Ferguson.

02:32:24.000 He's not gonna fight Tony Ferguson!

02:32:25.000 Why not?

02:32:26.000 It's not just, bro!

02:32:27.000 It's too much hype, and Tony Ferguson don't give a fuck.

02:32:30.000 He's a barbarian.

02:32:31.000 He is backstage again.

02:32:32.000 Who fucking farted?

02:32:33.000 That is a horrible fart.

02:32:34.000 That was me.

02:32:35.000 It's a tremendous fart.

02:32:37.000 Sounds like a zoo up in this bitch.

02:32:39.000 Oh, look at this.

02:32:40.000 They are going out.

02:32:40.000 Don't fucking tell me, guys.

02:32:42.000 Let's get some volume on that.

02:32:43.000 Can we get volume on that?

02:32:44.000 Back there?

02:32:45.000 Let me hear this.

02:32:46.000 Go all the way back.

02:32:47.000 Way back.

02:32:48.000 Here we go.

02:32:49.000 Crank it up.

02:32:50.000 He's setting it up.

02:32:51.000 He's setting up the 170 belt.

02:33:00.000 See?

02:33:01.000 There's eight guys there, guys.

02:33:03.000 You're like a woman with that phone.

02:33:05.000 Whoa.

02:33:06.000 You know what's crazy?

02:33:08.000 Look how drained Tyron looks.

02:33:11.000 Let's hear it.

02:33:12.000 Rewind it again.

02:33:13.000 Rewind that.

02:33:14.000 Rewind that.

02:33:14.000 Shh.

02:33:15.000 Shh.

02:33:18.000 What's up?

02:33:19.000 Not much.

02:33:20.000 We need your assistance.

02:33:23.000 You hear that lady terrified?

02:33:24.000 He just said, what's up?

02:33:25.000 And he stared at him down.

02:33:25.000 Conor said, what's up?

02:33:26.000 He said, not much.

02:33:27.000 But meanwhile, you look at Tyron.

02:33:28.000 Tyron looks so drained there when he made that weight.

02:33:31.000 It's like right after he made the weight.

02:33:33.000 I'll tell you what's crazy.

02:33:34.000 I like Conor's chances in that fight.

02:33:36.000 He's going to go for three fucking bouts, guys.

02:33:38.000 How crazy is that?

02:33:38.000 I can't believe nobody ever saw this shit.

02:33:40.000 He's not going to fight Ferguson because it's a fucking...

02:33:43.000 Aerosmith?

02:33:45.000 Guns N' Roses was Aerosmith on steroids.

02:33:48.000 And Tony Ferguson is little Diaz...

02:33:52.000 With fucking...

02:33:54.000 Elk blood in him.

02:33:55.000 You understand me?

02:33:56.000 He don't want that kid.

02:33:57.000 He don't want Tony Ferguson.

02:34:00.000 He don't want Tony Ferguson.

02:34:02.000 And Dana, Uncle Dana, Uncle John, Uncle Bobby Dana is not going to let his nephew fight Khal Abib, okay?

02:34:10.000 Are you kidding?

02:34:10.000 Conor versus Tony is not a draw?

02:34:12.000 It's not a draw for Conor.

02:34:14.000 I know he's your guy, Eddie.

02:34:15.000 That's a big fucking fight.

02:34:17.000 Tony versus Conor?

02:34:19.000 That's a big fucking fight, though.

02:34:20.000 Even Tony versus Khabib.

02:34:21.000 That's a huge fight.

02:34:22.000 Why don't you think they're making it, Eddie?

02:34:26.000 You tell me.

02:34:26.000 Why do you think they're making it?

02:34:27.000 It's not going to sell.

02:34:29.000 And I love these guys.

02:34:30.000 I'm not clowning your guy.

02:34:32.000 But as far as the average consumer buying a pay-per-view, that's not a sell.

02:34:36.000 It's just not.

02:34:37.000 Hell yeah it is.

02:34:38.000 I disagree.

02:34:38.000 Conner fighting anybody is a sale.

02:34:40.000 Conner fighting anybody is a sale.

02:34:42.000 Conner fighting a top challenger is always a sale.

02:34:45.000 But Tony Ferguson is most certainly a top challenger.

02:34:48.000 When Nate Diaz fought Conor for the first time, it was a giant fight because Nate Diaz had a name, and he's a bigger name than Tony, arguably, for sure.

02:34:57.000 Not even close.

02:34:58.000 Much bigger now, after he beat him.

02:35:00.000 The Diaz brothers and Tony?

02:35:02.000 It wasn't the same as it is now.

02:35:04.000 It's a different thing now.

02:35:05.000 It's a different thing now.

02:35:06.000 But he had it because of Nick, and Nick had all the Strikeforce success, Elite XC success, you know, there's a lot of TV time there.

02:35:16.000 Nick was the ultimate fighter winner.

02:35:18.000 Nate.

02:35:19.000 And then on top of that, Nick had just got done beating Anderson, or fighting Anderson, rather.

02:35:24.000 And, you know, Nick is like a pretty well-known figure, right?

02:35:28.000 His brother.

02:35:29.000 The Diaz brothers are like...

02:35:30.000 So that's a different level.

02:35:32.000 But having him take that fight on short notice, too.

02:35:35.000 But Conor was the main draw, is my point.

02:35:37.000 Conor's the main draw.

02:35:38.000 And I agree.

02:35:38.000 But this is why Conor's not taking it.

02:35:40.000 Because I agree.

02:35:41.000 He's the main draw.

02:35:43.000 If you're Conor and you're his manager, you're going, let's fight Tony, who's a tough fucking matchup, but he's not as big as the name as a guy like Nate Diaz at 55, who we're going to make more money, maybe not as tough as a fight, bigger name.

02:35:56.000 So they're doing it from a business point.

02:35:58.000 That's why he's not fighting Tony.

02:36:00.000 That's why he's not fighting Khabib.

02:36:01.000 Tony's a tough fight.

02:36:02.000 It's a horrible fight for him.

02:36:03.000 They're going to do a Russia card.

02:36:05.000 And when they do a Russia card, they want to do a Russia card with Conor.

02:36:08.000 Or with Habib, rather.

02:36:09.000 So when they do a Russia card with Habib, it's most likely going to be for a title.

02:36:13.000 I would imagine.

02:36:14.000 It's for a title.

02:36:15.000 It all depends if Conor accepts it.

02:36:17.000 Remember, Conor has all the power.

02:36:18.000 It might be Tony, and it might be for an interim.

02:36:20.000 And apparently they offered it to Tony, and Tony said that he wanted to make the same amount of money that Habib makes.

02:36:25.000 Which is perfectly fine.

02:36:26.000 Perfectly fine.

02:36:27.000 But, you know, they said, nope.

02:36:28.000 You got a contract, you got to honor your contract.

02:36:30.000 That's at least how it's been explained.

02:36:33.000 Yes, that's how it's being explained.

02:36:35.000 They go, well, you sign these contracts, you've got to honor the contract.

02:36:38.000 But that only works one way.

02:36:40.000 That only works for the UFC, because they don't honor all the contracts, do they?

02:36:44.000 What do you mean?

02:36:44.000 If it works for them.

02:36:45.000 They can cut them.

02:36:46.000 You have a six-fight contract, you've lost two, and it's born, you're cut.

02:36:50.000 It's in the contract that you can get cut.

02:36:51.000 If it wasn't in the contract, there's guys who have fought and they've fought out their entire contract.

02:36:55.000 For sure.

02:36:56.000 But I'm just saying, it's very one-sided.

02:36:58.000 Remember the early days?

02:36:59.000 Pedro Hizo had this giant contract because they thought that Pedro was going to be the heavyweight champ.

02:37:03.000 And so they were giving him undercard fights.

02:37:05.000 He was making a quarter of a million dollars.

02:37:07.000 Yeah.

02:37:08.000 It's tricky, man, because I get the idea that they would want to protect Conor, you know, and really set up the big money fights, especially now, because he's the biggest guy.

02:37:17.000 But then you've got Conor, who's kind of fucking crazy.

02:37:20.000 And he's like, the way he was jawing down Tyron Woodley.

02:37:23.000 I don't think it's Conor doing it.

02:37:25.000 I think from a business standpoint, they're going, wow.

02:37:27.000 What's the biggest fight?

02:37:28.000 Let's say you have three fights left.

02:37:30.000 Who are the three biggest names we can fight to make this happen so you stay undefeated and make the most money?

02:37:35.000 He might not be undefeated.

02:37:36.000 I mean, he's definitely not undefeated now, right?

02:37:38.000 But the biggest thing is the Woodley fight because that's a 170 pound belt.

02:37:42.000 That's 170. That's a third belt, guys.

02:37:43.000 That's a fight.

02:37:44.000 If you didn't see it, shame on you.

02:37:46.000 Shame on you motherfuckers if you didn't see it.

02:37:48.000 Number two, listen.

02:37:50.000 I'm not saying that Khabib is going to beat Conor, especially after I see him take the punch from Michael Conor.

02:37:55.000 I'm not saying he's John Conor.

02:37:57.000 Michael Johnson.

02:37:57.000 But the fight is Khabib.

02:37:59.000 And then the next fight has to be Ferguson if he beats him.

02:38:02.000 That's the way it is where I come from.

02:38:03.000 But Ferguson and Khabib can't wait.

02:38:06.000 Ferguson needs a fight in the next four or five months.

02:38:09.000 Khabib needs a fight in the next fucking two, three months.

02:38:11.000 Khabib said he'll fight in Brooklyn.

02:38:13.000 And Tony Ferguson will fight in Brooklyn.

02:38:14.000 That's a month from now.

02:38:16.000 When you interviewed him, and he put the hat on your fucking head, he said he'll fight in Brooklyn.

02:38:22.000 He put the hat on my head every time I've been in Brooklyn.

02:38:24.000 I know, it's great.

02:38:24.000 I fucking love it.

02:38:25.000 And you don't say dick to him.

02:38:26.000 No, he looks at me.

02:38:27.000 He looks at me, he shows me the hat, and I give him the nod.

02:38:29.000 I'm like, yeah, I'll put that on.

02:38:31.000 I love it.

02:38:32.000 I like that hat.

02:38:33.000 Now, Eddie, me as a fan, the number one fight I want to see is Tony vs.

02:38:38.000 Khabib.

02:38:39.000 That's the fight.

02:38:40.000 There's not a better matchup that can be made in the UFC. I don't know about that.

02:38:43.000 I like Tony vs.

02:38:45.000 Conor.

02:38:45.000 I even like Khabib vs.

02:38:46.000 Conor.

02:38:47.000 I like Conor vs.

02:38:50.000 Woodley.

02:38:50.000 I like that fight, too.

02:38:52.000 That's the fight, guys.

02:38:53.000 That's the next money fight.

02:38:54.000 But he's going to eventually...

02:38:56.000 I don't think the UFC gives him enough power to do that.

02:38:58.000 They're not going to let him get that much control.

02:39:00.000 You just said Conor has all the power.

02:39:02.000 Yeah, he's got all the power.

02:39:03.000 Well, here's the thing about Woodley.

02:39:05.000 Woodley loses to Bisping.

02:39:07.000 If he loses this catchweight fight, he still keeps that 170 pound strap.

02:39:10.000 That's if that catchweight fight happens.

02:39:13.000 The UFC might be like, what?

02:39:14.000 No, you can't hold up two divisions.

02:39:16.000 It's Tyron against my boy, Conor McGregor.

02:39:18.000 I gotta go with Joey on this one.

02:39:20.000 He was going after Tyron.

02:39:23.000 They planted the seed right there.

02:39:24.000 He can't tie up two divisions.

02:39:26.000 I've been backstage at UFC's all the goddamn time.

02:39:28.000 That shit don't happen.

02:39:30.000 And they're going to push him away from the Russian and Ferguson for as long as they can.

02:39:35.000 And then they'll do what they did.

02:39:37.000 We can't talk over each other.

02:39:38.000 No, they'll do the NASA thing.

02:39:40.000 When they go to interview him, they die in car accidents and shit.

02:39:42.000 But that's the fight, guys.

02:39:44.000 That's the fight right there that everybody wants to see.

02:39:46.000 Right off the bat.

02:39:47.000 I'd love to see Conor and Khabib.

02:39:49.000 I'd love to see Ferguson and Khabib.

02:39:51.000 But they're not going to do that right off the bat.

02:39:53.000 They're going to hope that they fall off a cliff or a plane goes down.

02:39:56.000 Let's give them the money for it, which is 170. Can he get the third belt?

02:39:59.000 Here's the thing.

02:40:00.000 If he does lose, if he goes up to 10 and beats Tyron, nothing happens.

02:40:05.000 Nothing happens.

02:40:06.000 It's risk-free.

02:40:07.000 It's risk-free!

02:40:08.000 Same thing with that first Nate Diaz fight.

02:40:09.000 Okay.

02:40:10.000 Remember who runs this show?

02:40:12.000 What do you do with Tony and Khabib?

02:40:15.000 They go to Bellator.

02:40:16.000 They're going to get pissed off.

02:40:18.000 They're going to say, fuck you, UFC. We can't take this no more because you're hiding this kid from us.

02:40:22.000 Here's another thing.

02:40:23.000 At Bellator, there's still one guy left that I don't know where his contract's at, but Michael Chandler is a motherfucker.

02:40:30.000 He is a motherfucker.

02:40:31.000 Remember, he beat Eddie Alvarez, who's the champ at 155. And did you see what he did to that pitbull guy and starched him with one punch?

02:40:37.000 Starched him.

02:40:37.000 Dude, Michael Chandler is legit as fuck.

02:40:40.000 How many fights does he have left, though?

02:40:41.000 I don't know.

02:40:42.000 It's interesting.

02:40:43.000 He was just at the UFC the other day.

02:40:44.000 That's why I'm saying it.

02:40:45.000 He was in the front row.

02:40:46.000 I was talking to him.

02:40:47.000 I didn't talk to him about the fight.

02:40:49.000 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker.

02:40:50.000 I'll tell you another guy, Lance Palmer from Team Alpha Man, who's World Series of whatever.

02:40:54.000 He has one fight left, and after that he's going straight to the UFC. Good luck beating that motherfucker.

02:40:58.000 What weight is he?

02:40:59.000 45. Can wrestle his paws off.

02:41:03.000 Interesting.

02:41:04.000 Yeah, there's a lot of talent coming up, man.

02:41:06.000 A lot of talent coming up.

02:41:07.000 Then you have some guys going to Bellator like that.

02:41:09.000 Lorenz Larkin, who's a monster.

02:41:11.000 Is he going to go to Bellator?

02:41:12.000 They're talking to him.

02:41:13.000 He's a free agent.

02:41:14.000 I hope he stays in the UFC. I really do.

02:41:16.000 Is Bellator paying pretty good?

02:41:18.000 Yes.

02:41:19.000 They have to.

02:41:20.000 They have to.

02:41:21.000 It's the only way people are going to get over there.

02:41:23.000 Roy McDonald, Lorenz Larkin.

02:41:24.000 I don't know if Lorenz is on there yet, but Lorenz, the way he put away Neil Magny, I was like, don't Go anywhere, man.

02:41:32.000 Stick around.

02:41:35.000 Lorenz beat Robbie Lawler.

02:41:37.000 Lorenz is legit as fuck.

02:41:39.000 He's a nightmare.

02:41:40.000 He's a dangerous striker.

02:41:41.000 He's one of the best strikers in that 170-pound division and fought a good chunk of his career at 185. 170, he's a big fella.

02:41:48.000 And he's got ridiculous kicks.

02:41:51.000 He throws that goddamn oblique kick to the body better than anybody I've ever seen.

02:41:55.000 Pull up the fight, Lorenz Larkin versus Neil Magny.

02:41:59.000 Neil Magny, who is a tough fucking dude, didn't even have a chance in that fight.

02:42:04.000 He got starch.

02:42:05.000 He beat Johnny Hendricks.

02:42:07.000 The judges helped, but he beat Johnny Hendricks.

02:42:09.000 I had Neil winning 1-3.

02:42:10.000 I think he could have been conceivably won because of having him in that triangle in the third, but the first round was so loose.

02:42:19.000 It just didn't look dangerous to me.

02:42:20.000 That was like a legit loose triangle.

02:42:22.000 But he still did more than Johnny.

02:42:24.000 I disagree with that.

02:42:25.000 I'm also biased as fuck.

02:42:26.000 You might be right.

02:42:27.000 I have to look at it again, but I saw some space.

02:42:29.000 I saw some space, and I think the arm was tucked in enough where I don't think Johnny was in real trouble, but he was definitely stuck.

02:42:36.000 Think about those judges, though.

02:42:37.000 They don't know shit.

02:42:38.000 They don't know shit.

02:42:39.000 So they see him in danger, they're giving him around.

02:42:41.000 He was definitely in some serious motherfucking danger.

02:42:44.000 Anytime you're caught with one arm in, one arm out, and the shit is singed, you're in trouble.

02:42:51.000 It's almost like his legs are so long that he gives you a little extra space.

02:42:55.000 Because his legs are so long.

02:42:57.000 No, the problem was...

02:42:58.000 The problem was he started throwing elbows, and when that does, his head's right there.

02:43:03.000 It pushes him out.

02:43:05.000 That's what happens.

02:43:06.000 So the more you hit him...

02:43:07.000 So it's like you gotta land a couple elbows and then grab the wrists and pull them back in.

02:43:14.000 You gotta constantly pull them back in, throw a couple...

02:43:16.000 Because they're like this and...

02:43:17.000 When you're throwing elbows, you're pushing them out of your shit.

02:43:20.000 Remember when Anderson stopped Travis Luter?

02:43:22.000 That's how he got him.

02:43:23.000 Sure, didn't Travis Luter miss weight?

02:43:25.000 Yeah.

02:43:26.000 Could there have been a more frustrating weight cut?

02:43:27.000 He didn't just miss weight, dude.

02:43:29.000 He was the closest I've ever seen where it looked like the guy was dead.

02:43:32.000 Watch this fight.

02:43:33.000 Here's Lorenz.

02:43:34.000 Lorenz is a slick striker, but watch this oblique kick to the body.

02:43:38.000 A lot of guys are throwing this to the leg, but Lorenz throws it to the body, and he switches stances a lot, but the way he lands it, he launches you through the air with it.

02:43:47.000 So he hits him with that low kick, low kick on the bottom of the calf, like real low.

02:43:54.000 Is it going to happen right now?

02:43:55.000 It's going to happen.

02:43:55.000 I mean, this is just the fight itself.

02:43:57.000 But the way he throws it is really unusual, man, because he'll be like, from here, like right there.

02:44:02.000 That's it.

02:44:02.000 Yeah.

02:44:03.000 See that?

02:44:04.000 Is that the one?

02:44:06.000 Yeah, that's exactly it.

02:44:07.000 That was a rear push kick.

02:44:08.000 No, no, no.

02:44:08.000 Watch.

02:44:09.000 Watch.

02:44:09.000 It's an oblique kick.

02:44:10.000 That's not Verdun vs Edmund kick.

02:44:11.000 See that?

02:44:12.000 This is what it's like.

02:44:13.000 No, no, no.

02:44:13.000 No, it's not.

02:44:13.000 It's like this.

02:44:14.000 He's doing this.

02:44:15.000 Watch it again.

02:44:16.000 Do it again?

02:44:17.000 Watch it again.

02:44:17.000 Back it up again.

02:44:18.000 Slow motion?

02:44:18.000 Watch this.

02:44:20.000 Just watch it.

02:44:21.000 Just watch it.

02:44:21.000 Trust me.

02:44:21.000 I know what the kick is.

02:44:23.000 Watch how he does it.

02:44:24.000 Watch where his heel is.

02:44:25.000 His toes are pointing.

02:44:26.000 See?

02:44:27.000 His toes are kind of pointing outside.

02:44:29.000 That fucks Neil up, too.

02:44:30.000 Oh, dude.

02:44:31.000 I'll show you on a bag.

02:44:32.000 It's a devastating check.

02:44:33.000 Did you hear Neil talk about that fight?

02:44:34.000 He goes, I literally just overlooked the guy.

02:44:36.000 He doesn't get a lot of hype, but he definitely should.

02:44:39.000 What?

02:44:39.000 You overlooked him?

02:44:40.000 Yeah, he goes, I don't know.

02:44:42.000 He doesn't get a lot of hype.

02:44:44.000 He thought it was going to be an easier fight than it was.

02:44:46.000 Well, he just got off a beat in Hector Lombard.

02:44:48.000 He might have been feeling his oats.

02:44:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:44:50.000 But Larkin is a totally different animal.

02:44:52.000 He's one of the most...

02:44:53.000 Oh my god, he's tough.

02:44:53.000 One of the most technical and capable guys in the division when it comes to striking.

02:44:58.000 His jiu-jitsu is good, too.

02:44:59.000 See it again?

02:45:00.000 Watch it again.

02:45:00.000 His wrestling is ridiculous, too.

02:45:02.000 See, his foot is not...

02:45:03.000 He's hitting with the heel.

02:45:04.000 Like this?

02:45:05.000 It's like this.

02:45:06.000 This is what he's doing.

02:45:07.000 See how he does that there?

02:45:08.000 Dude, come on, son.

02:45:10.000 Who kicks like that?

02:45:11.000 Back that up again.

02:45:14.000 Look at the extension he gets.

02:45:16.000 Watch this.

02:45:17.000 Watch how he throws this kick.

02:45:19.000 This is a beautiful kick, man.

02:45:22.000 Sets it up with that and then steps in.

02:45:24.000 Damn!

02:45:26.000 Spartan style, son.

02:45:27.000 Dude, it's a weird kick because a lot of guys don't do it the way he does it.

02:45:31.000 He's stomping.

02:45:32.000 And Jon does it all the time.

02:45:34.000 Yep, but Jon does it to the legs.

02:45:36.000 Yeah, Jon doesn't do it as powerful.

02:45:38.000 And Holly did it a lot to Rhonda.

02:45:38.000 Holly did it to Rhonda.

02:45:39.000 He stomped him but turning his heel in instead of out, right?

02:45:42.000 Exactly.

02:45:43.000 It's like you step forward and you do this.

02:45:45.000 Yes.

02:45:46.000 And it's got a lot of power.

02:45:48.000 All the Jackson boys do it.

02:45:49.000 Next time you're in front of a bat, I'll show you.

02:45:50.000 A new kick is born in the UFC. It's not a new...

02:45:52.000 He didn't invent it, but I'm just saying it.

02:45:54.000 Winkle John, they've been doing it forever, Jackson boys.

02:45:56.000 People have been doing it forever, but they've been doing it to the leg.

02:45:58.000 Not to this degree, though.

02:45:59.000 He fucking Sparta kicks his ass.

02:46:00.000 Look at that.

02:46:01.000 Lorenz is on another level.

02:46:02.000 He just is.

02:46:03.000 And the only loss that he has inside the octagon at 170 is against Tumanoff, and that was a super close fight.

02:46:08.000 So he's not the only guy that ever throw it exactly like that?

02:46:12.000 Well, he's one of the only guys I've ever seen throw it to the body.

02:46:15.000 And knock someone down.

02:46:16.000 And the way he throws it to the body is just massive power.

02:46:19.000 And speed.

02:46:20.000 The way he chambers his legs and then gets that kick to launch in a straight line.

02:46:25.000 Nobody practices that, right?

02:46:26.000 Guys are doing it now, I guarantee you.

02:46:28.000 Especially with his success.

02:46:29.000 Copycat league.

02:46:30.000 You have to see it a thousand times before people make it part of their daily routine.

02:46:34.000 But he's fucking up that lower leg, too.

02:46:36.000 There's so many strikes you gotta work on.

02:46:36.000 But again, Lorenz flies under the radar.

02:46:38.000 He wants more publicity.

02:46:41.000 Look at that.

02:46:41.000 He did it again.

02:46:42.000 He does it from here to the body, which is so crazy.

02:46:45.000 He's nasty.

02:46:46.000 Can you imagine him versus Roy McDonald in Bellator?

02:46:48.000 I could.

02:46:48.000 Oh, nice.

02:46:49.000 But I can imagine him fighting for the title against Woodley, too.

02:46:52.000 I want to see him at 170 in the UFC. I'm selfish.

02:46:56.000 What's his record of the last three fights?

02:46:58.000 Only lost to Tumanoff, and it was a razor close decision.

02:47:01.000 Was that recent?

02:47:02.000 That was like two or three fights ago, and he's won all the other ones.

02:47:05.000 He's a monster.

02:47:06.000 So he's on a win streak.

02:47:06.000 Yeah, but this is the big win, because Magny's a top contender, and he beat the fuck out of Magny.

02:47:11.000 I mean, Magny was never in this fight.

02:47:13.000 This fight was like, he worked him, man.

02:47:16.000 Yeah, Magny's really only been outclassed in this Larkin fight, and then he got outclassed when he fought Damian Maia.

02:47:21.000 Larkin throws a lot of weird shit too, man.

02:47:23.000 He'll throw like wheel kicks to the thigh.

02:47:25.000 Dude, he came into rain and everyone was like, we don't know what the fuck to do.

02:47:28.000 Really?

02:47:29.000 Me and Pat couldn't get him down.

02:47:30.000 His takedown offense was ridiculous.

02:47:32.000 His striking was unconventional.

02:47:34.000 He was a nightmare.

02:47:35.000 Yeah, he's got, I think, a kung fu background.

02:47:37.000 I think that's where he started his career.

02:47:40.000 But you see like that low leg kick, man?

02:47:42.000 He attacks like below the knee.

02:47:44.000 Look at him just eating Neil.

02:47:46.000 The problem is you could go to Bellator and you could chew away years of your career and no one will know who you are.

02:48:11.000 You know?

02:48:11.000 Look at Diego Lima.

02:48:13.000 Who?

02:48:13.000 Or Douglas Lima.

02:48:15.000 I know, I'm just kidding.

02:48:16.000 Exactly.

02:48:17.000 Lima's a world-class fighter.

02:48:18.000 Well, look at Michael Chandler.

02:48:19.000 Yeah.

02:48:20.000 Michael Chandler, I mean, he's better than Eddie Alvarez.

02:48:23.000 Beat Eddie Alvarez.

02:48:24.000 Yeah.

02:48:24.000 But Eddie beat him, too.

02:48:25.000 Yeah, but still, I mean, you talk about a guy of that caliber.

02:48:30.000 Yeah.

02:48:30.000 He walks down the street, goes into 7-Eleven, people are like, what are you, CrossFit?

02:48:35.000 They don't know who he is.

02:48:36.000 Yeah, what happened to him, bro?

02:48:36.000 Where if he was in the UFC... Everyone knows who he is.

02:48:39.000 Yeah, no, you're right.

02:48:40.000 It's not there yet.

02:48:41.000 I wish it was.

02:48:42.000 They can get there, though.

02:48:43.000 I don't know, man.

02:48:44.000 They don't have pay-per-view.

02:48:45.000 They don't have those...

02:48:46.000 Why do you need pay-per-view?

02:48:48.000 They're on Spike TV. It's not the same.

02:48:51.000 Viacom?

02:48:52.000 I agree, but they've tried one pay-per-view.

02:48:55.000 It was a terrible disaster.

02:48:56.000 What was the pay-per-view they tried?

02:48:57.000 Rampage.

02:48:58.000 Remember?

02:48:59.000 I do remember.

02:49:00.000 Yeah, I mean, it didn't work.

02:49:01.000 Nobody bought it.

02:49:02.000 It's just, there's a difference.

02:49:04.000 But their ratings on regular cable are good.

02:49:07.000 Just as good as the UFC. What's weird is their ratings on regular cable still don't translate into stardom.

02:49:13.000 It's very strange.

02:49:14.000 Well, it's because I think what they've been doing is they've been giving the older guys from the UFC where people are like, oh, yeah, he's kind of over the hill.

02:49:22.000 Where now they have a guy like Rory McDonald.

02:49:25.000 Right.

02:49:25.000 Who's young and he can be that kind of world-class athlete.

02:49:29.000 Right.

02:49:29.000 But the UFC shows a replay of Wonderboy fucking up Rory.

02:49:33.000 That's what they show over and over and over again.

02:49:34.000 And then they show Robbie Lawler knocking out Rory.

02:49:37.000 And they'll just show it over and over again in their highlights.

02:49:39.000 True.

02:49:40.000 Until everybody knows Rory left and went over there.

02:49:42.000 Look, I wish Rory nothing but the best.

02:49:45.000 Until Bellator gets a Michael Venom Page.

02:49:48.000 If they get one superstar like a Jon Jones who starred with them, then you're going to start seeing some changes.

02:49:54.000 But Page got kind of exposed in his last fight.

02:49:55.000 What happened?

02:49:56.000 Went to distance.

02:49:57.000 Didn't knock the guy out.

02:49:58.000 Didn't really look that good.

02:49:59.000 I'm not saying he's the answer.

02:50:00.000 I'm saying they need a type of guy.

02:50:03.000 I forget who he fought.

02:50:04.000 Because the Chael Sonnen versus Tito Ortiz, it'll do record-breaking.

02:50:07.000 It's going to kill number-wise because we know who those guys are.

02:50:10.000 You think so?

02:50:10.000 But they're both older.

02:50:11.000 Oh, it's going to sell for sure.

02:50:12.000 Well, it's not selling.

02:50:14.000 It's going to be on regular TV, right?

02:50:15.000 It's not pay-per-view.

02:50:16.000 No, I'm going to say it's going to sell ticket-wise at the form.

02:50:18.000 Because remember, that Brooklyn card was supposed to be at the same time.

02:50:23.000 As that Bellator card.

02:50:26.000 UFC left.

02:50:27.000 Because they didn't have a headliner for that, so they left Anaheim.

02:50:30.000 Remember that?

02:50:31.000 Same night?

02:50:32.000 Is that where it was?

02:50:34.000 Oh, well, that's the Brooklyn card?

02:50:35.000 They moved that card to Brooklyn?

02:50:36.000 Yep.

02:50:37.000 That's what happened?

02:50:37.000 Yep.

02:50:38.000 Oh, that's interesting.

02:50:39.000 The Brooklyn card does look like they're still working on it, though.

02:50:42.000 I'm hoping they could pull that together.

02:50:44.000 It's a smart move, because Tito, Chael, and we got fucking Hawley this.

02:50:48.000 So that's the same weekend?

02:50:49.000 Yep.

02:50:50.000 So Tito fights the same weekend as Jermaine Durandame?

02:50:53.000 No, I think they switched it, but it was the same as Bellator.

02:50:56.000 Bellator is January 21st on Spike.

02:50:58.000 Oh, okay.

02:50:59.000 So February...

02:51:00.000 Yeah, they switched it to that February then.

02:51:02.000 Now, when is Verdum Dos Santos?

02:51:04.000 Did we schedule that?

02:51:05.000 No.

02:51:06.000 Well, Verdum was supposed to fight Kane, but Kane got pulled off the card because he fucked up, man.

02:51:11.000 He did an interview and said that he needed surgery after the fight.

02:51:13.000 And they're like, what?

02:51:15.000 So, you know, Bob Baker from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, who does a fucking awesome job, he is not going to let you fight if you go around telling people you need surgery.

02:51:23.000 Too much of a liability.

02:51:24.000 Yeah, it's a liability.

02:51:26.000 It's just business 101, Kane.

02:51:27.000 And you just can't do it.

02:51:28.000 He fucked up.

02:51:29.000 He probably didn't think about it.

02:51:30.000 He just thought, look, I'm just going to show everybody how tough I am and go through it anyway, which you can do.

02:51:35.000 See, the thing is, his back is structurally sound.

02:51:37.000 The doctors cleared him.

02:51:38.000 So if he did, like he thought in his mind, even though he does need to get the pathways cleared out, he's got some sort of stenosis where the pathways, the nerves, it's irritating his nerves, but he can get a cortisone shot.

02:51:50.000 Now, if he gets a cortisone shot, then he won't feel it.

02:51:53.000 He can go through the fight.

02:51:54.000 Structurally, he's fine.

02:51:55.000 It's not like he's compromised.

02:51:56.000 He's got a weak joint.

02:51:57.000 So it's just a little bit of pain.

02:51:59.000 He goes through it.

02:52:00.000 Then after the fight, he can get the surgery.

02:52:02.000 That's what his doctor said, so that's what he was saying.

02:52:04.000 He just didn't take into consideration that whenever you say...

02:52:06.000 Two things happen.

02:52:07.000 First of all, the betting line changes.

02:52:09.000 You go and tell everybody he needs surgery after the fight.

02:52:11.000 Everybody's like...

02:52:12.000 So that gets squirrely, especially with Nevada.

02:52:14.000 They have to figure out how do they put this line up.

02:52:17.000 And second of all, there's that liability thing.

02:52:19.000 Huge liability.

02:52:20.000 And then did you see they did offer the fight of Junior Dos Santos.

02:52:23.000 Right.

02:52:24.000 And then Verdum came out and started calling Junior Dos Santos gay.

02:52:26.000 Yeah, what's that about?

02:52:27.000 He was like, just come out of the closet.

02:52:28.000 He said, nothing that's homosexuals, but everyone knows you're gay.

02:52:31.000 Damn, son!

02:52:32.000 Did he say that?

02:52:33.000 Yeah, I went hard in the pain at JDS. Wow, that's rough.

02:52:37.000 That's super rough.

02:52:40.000 And D.C. Johnson, that's not on the horizon anytime soon?

02:52:43.000 D.C.'s just getting back to training on Monday.

02:52:45.000 D.C. had a torn muscle and he decided to opt for surgery, right?

02:52:49.000 Yeah.

02:52:50.000 Right next to that.

02:52:53.000 So he went for surgery on that, right?

02:52:55.000 He had surgery.

02:52:55.000 He's just getting back to training, but who knows how long he's out.

02:52:58.000 Then you got Jon Jones.

02:52:59.000 His suspension's up in July.

02:53:01.000 And then Rumble said, the only thing I'm doing is fighting for a title.

02:53:04.000 I'll wait a year if I have to.

02:53:06.000 But the UFC's like, nah, son, you're going to fight Jon Jones for an interim title.

02:53:10.000 That's what I think is going to happen if DC's not ready.

02:53:13.000 So Jon Jones comes back in July.

02:53:15.000 I think his suspension is up right when that July 4th weekend card comes up.

02:53:22.000 Boom, boom, boom.

02:53:23.000 So he'll be probably the headliner for that.

02:53:25.000 That's a tough go, because he had some ring rust when he fought OSP. Let's not get it twisted.

02:53:30.000 Anthony Rumble Johnson, you don't get any mistakes with that gentleman.

02:53:34.000 And also, he had ring rust before the OSP fight, and now it's another year off.

02:53:38.000 That's a long time off.

02:53:40.000 To your point, Ronda had 411 days off.

02:53:43.000 Ring rust is real, man.

02:53:44.000 I don't give a fuck what people say.

02:53:46.000 And not only is it real, but you're not getting warm-up fights.

02:53:49.000 She's not fighting Liz Karmouche.

02:53:51.000 You're fighting fucking this killer who just fought at UFC 200. Yep.

02:53:56.000 Who's ready to go.

02:53:57.000 No warm-ups.

02:53:58.000 What do you think about B.J. Yair?

02:54:01.000 That's going to be crazy.

02:54:02.000 Yair's the future.

02:54:03.000 Scary.

02:54:04.000 Yair Rodriguez, he's so dynamic, man.

02:54:07.000 It's fun to watch.

02:54:08.000 B.J.'s at Jackson's, right?

02:54:10.000 Mm-hmm.

02:54:10.000 Man.

02:54:12.000 That's what everyone was saying.

02:54:14.000 Like, oh, BJ needs a real camp.

02:54:15.000 If BJ went to Jackson's or if BJ went here, AKA or whatever, and he actually listened and he did it.

02:54:22.000 A little too late, but yeah.

02:54:24.000 It's weird that it's never too late.

02:54:25.000 If he's in the right camp and that's BJ Penn, it's never too late.

02:54:28.000 How did he lose all that weight?

02:54:29.000 Yair's a bad motherfucker.

02:54:31.000 But BJ, you know, with the right camp, just like everybody said, if he had the right camp, he's got the right camp now.

02:54:38.000 Yeah, but what happened to his body where he's going to 45?

02:54:41.000 Why is he going to 45?

02:54:43.000 Especially as you get older.

02:54:44.000 That's his real weight.

02:54:45.000 That was always his real weight.

02:54:46.000 He was doing jiu-jitsu at 147. That was always his weight.

02:54:50.000 Right, but wasn't he like 12?

02:54:52.000 Yeah, he was young as fuck.

02:54:53.000 He won the Black Belt Worlds at 147. He fought Machida, for God's sakes.

02:55:01.000 He's a legend.

02:55:02.000 He's crazy.

02:55:03.000 I never root against BJ. It's just goddamn...

02:55:08.000 Unfortunately, Yair is fucked.

02:55:09.000 That's a nightmare opponent for BJ. Yair's the future, man.

02:55:12.000 But this is the best BJ we're going to see.

02:55:14.000 This is the best one.

02:55:15.000 That's a strong statement at his age, sir.

02:55:18.000 No, no, what I meant, the best possible we can see.

02:55:20.000 For today.

02:55:21.000 Yeah.

02:55:21.000 That's what you're saying.

02:55:23.000 He has a great camp.

02:55:24.000 He's probably in shape.

02:55:25.000 He's sticking to everything.

02:55:25.000 Jackson's not fucking around with BJ. Are you kidding?

02:55:28.000 You can't.

02:55:29.000 You get ate up.

02:55:29.000 Yeah.

02:55:30.000 He's 38 years old, though.

02:55:32.000 And that's 38 MMA years.

02:55:34.000 And 38 years old after a war.

02:55:37.000 How good is Yair's jiu-jitsu?

02:55:38.000 It's pretty goddamn good.

02:55:39.000 It's dynamic and it's different.

02:55:41.000 He's a mad scrambler.

02:55:43.000 He'll fly to knee bars.

02:55:46.000 Is he black belt level?

02:55:47.000 I don't think so.

02:55:48.000 I don't think he's black belt.

02:55:48.000 Is he brown belt level?

02:55:49.000 Yair Rodriguez BJJ rank.

02:55:53.000 Okay.

02:55:53.000 I don't know.

02:55:54.000 Yeah, find it, Jamie.

02:55:55.000 But here's the thing about Yair, the distance.

02:55:58.000 He keeps that kicking distance.

02:56:00.000 He's fucking so lethal.

02:56:01.000 He's quick.

02:56:02.000 That's going to be the problem for BJ is the quickness and the youthfulness.

02:56:05.000 If BJ stands with him, yeah, the odds are not in his favor.

02:56:09.000 But if BJ just decides to get in that clinch and take him down...

02:56:13.000 Squeeze him out.

02:56:14.000 ...and jump on his neck, I think that's the best route.

02:56:17.000 100%.

02:56:18.000 Vintage BJ, for sure.

02:56:19.000 He's got to take...

02:56:21.000 Rodriguez.

02:56:22.000 I didn't like BJ versus Lamas.

02:56:24.000 What the fuck?

02:56:25.000 It's a legend, man.

02:56:26.000 Don't give him Ricardo Lamas.

02:56:27.000 Ricardo Lamas is a bad motherfucker.

02:56:29.000 I know.

02:56:29.000 So is Yair, but Ricardo Lamas is going to hurt you.

02:56:32.000 I didn't like that.

02:56:33.000 You don't think Yair is going to hurt you?

02:56:34.000 Not the same way Ricardo is.

02:56:36.000 Jesus, dude.

02:56:36.000 Did you see the touchy-feely fight when he launched that fucking flying roundhouse kick to his jaw and flattened him?

02:56:41.000 Those are good points.

02:56:43.000 Yeah.

02:56:43.000 I didn't like the Lamas fight for him.

02:56:46.000 I think they're both equally scary.

02:56:49.000 The thing about Lamas is Lamas has more experience against world-class competition.

02:56:53.000 Went five rounds with Aldo and was beating Aldo in the fifth round.

02:56:56.000 He's on top of him, ground and pounding him.

02:56:59.000 He's got a nasty guillotine, too, where he guillotined Bermudez, cracked him with a punch, and then snuck in that tight arm-in guillotine.

02:57:06.000 He's very good.

02:57:07.000 Lamas is one of the best guys, but he's also, you know, 34, 35. It doesn't do anything for BJ in that fight.

02:57:12.000 And Lamas is such a badass and he's so skilled.

02:57:15.000 That doesn't do much for BJ. At least Yair, if he wins, he's young, that's a huge feather in his cap.

02:57:21.000 That makes more sense.

02:57:23.000 I guess, but if BJ beat...

02:57:24.000 I think if BJ beat Lamas, it was a big feather in his cap.

02:57:27.000 It's like, Jesus, he beat a top 10 contender.

02:57:30.000 He's back.

02:57:30.000 He hasn't fought forever.

02:57:31.000 To us.

02:57:32.000 To us.

02:57:32.000 Well, what do you mean to anybody else?

02:57:34.000 Like, well, the only thing about Yair is that Yair won the Ultimate Fighter.

02:57:37.000 He won the Latin America Ultimate Fighter.

02:57:39.000 True.

02:57:40.000 Yair's a motherfucker, dude.

02:57:41.000 He's a motherfucker.

02:57:42.000 He really is.

02:57:43.000 People hate when we say that, by the way.

02:57:45.000 Stop calling people motherfuckers.

02:57:47.000 That's what you guys say.

02:57:48.000 That's our lingo for God's sake.

02:57:49.000 He's a beast.

02:57:50.000 He's a motherfucker.

02:57:51.000 He's a beast.

02:57:52.000 Bad motherfucker.

02:57:53.000 You guys need more adjectives.

02:57:56.000 You need more adverbs, too.

02:57:57.000 Talk like me and my friends.

02:57:59.000 Sure.

02:58:01.000 There's a lot of goddamn good fights on the horizon.

02:58:04.000 There's a lot of potential fights.

02:58:05.000 If you're Wonderboy, wouldn't you be pissed at all this Woodley talk about Woodley fighting anybody else other than Wonderboy?

02:58:10.000 No one's even talking about Wonderboy.

02:58:13.000 Wonderboy needs to start talking shit to Connor.

02:58:18.000 I'll tell you what, I'd watch Wonderboy vs.

02:58:20.000 your boy Tony Ferguson.

02:58:21.000 Yeah, but they're different weight classes.

02:58:23.000 Well, I'm on Joey Diaz's train now.

02:58:25.000 Fuck weight classes.

02:58:26.000 Listen, Cowboy has fought at 155 and at 170. The fight between him and Tony Henderson, you guys were talking before, I was seeing it.

02:58:35.000 Explosions are going off in my head.

02:58:37.000 Tony Henderson or Ben Henderson?

02:58:39.000 Well, your guy.

02:58:40.000 Tony Henderson.

02:58:42.000 I always get confused.

02:58:43.000 I did about 19 sprays.

02:58:45.000 Did you do?

02:58:46.000 Did you really?

02:58:46.000 He's been taking them nonstop.

02:58:47.000 How many sprays did you take?

02:58:49.000 You know me, dog.

02:58:50.000 Probably 12?

02:58:50.000 It's the Lord's Day.

02:58:51.000 We got nowhere to be and nothing to do.

02:58:53.000 What the fuck?

02:58:54.000 Wow, that spray scares me.

02:58:55.000 Oh, it's tremendous.

02:58:56.000 I wrote them an email.

02:58:57.000 They wrote me back.

02:58:58.000 They're nice people.

02:58:58.000 I got to go up to the stop and get some more from them.

02:59:01.000 Some strong shit, huh?

02:59:05.000 Listen, man, you guys are talking about we need $4 billion, we need fights.

02:59:08.000 This is it.

02:59:09.000 These are all the fights you're going to have to do now.

02:59:12.000 So you think they say fuck weight class and just make it the biggest fights?

02:59:15.000 Not fuck weight classes.

02:59:15.000 Everybody has to respect the weight classes, but go up if you want to go up.

02:59:20.000 If you think you can run with it, run with it.

02:59:21.000 You've got to convince Dana.

02:59:23.000 The same way Kana convinced Dan.

02:59:26.000 Have some of them jambos.

02:59:28.000 Have some of those if you're brave.

02:59:29.000 What are these?

02:59:31.000 Exactly.

02:59:32.000 I can't see without my glasses.

02:59:34.000 Read them to me.

02:59:35.000 Jambos.

02:59:36.000 That's a fucking super powerful edible.

02:59:38.000 It's a two cookie dough truffles.

02:59:40.000 Yeah.

02:59:41.000 Hey, gluten-free, Joey.

02:59:43.000 It's gluten-free.

02:59:43.000 Get in there.

02:59:44.000 I'm excited.

02:59:44.000 Take care.

02:59:46.000 I could go hang out with my faggy friends.

02:59:48.000 Hey, easy.

02:59:50.000 And hang out.

02:59:51.000 Go find that guy who's gonna suck your dick, don't you?

02:59:53.000 Take a smile on that.

02:59:55.000 Organic.

02:59:56.000 He makes them with honey.

02:59:58.000 They're so good.

02:59:59.000 It tastes good.

03:00:00.000 What's the strength?

03:00:01.000 Death.

03:00:02.000 All of the above.

03:00:03.000 Read the strength of me, Bob.

03:00:04.000 Straight to the end of the earth.

03:00:06.000 Pretty sure it doesn't stay on there.

03:00:07.000 It tastes like dick.

03:00:08.000 Tastes like dick?

03:00:11.000 Why does it taste like dick?

03:00:12.000 Too organic for you?

03:00:13.000 Joey's used to that processed sugar.

03:00:15.000 It doesn't say how much is in here.

03:00:16.000 Exactly.

03:00:17.000 He meant it as a compliment.

03:00:18.000 They don't even want you to know.

03:00:19.000 It says eat a truffle when you need a boost of energy.

03:00:22.000 What kind of energy you got?

03:00:23.000 I don't know about that.

03:00:24.000 What does it say about milligrams of THC? It doesn't say it.

03:00:27.000 Interesting.

03:00:28.000 I feel like that's something you need to know.

03:00:32.000 Right?

03:00:32.000 I feel like that's important on here.

03:00:34.000 This one says 25 milligrams.

03:00:36.000 Maybe I gave you the wrong one.

03:00:38.000 This is pretty light.

03:00:39.000 25 is not that bad for a guy like you.

03:00:41.000 That's nothing.

03:00:41.000 25 milligrams?

03:00:42.000 That's a waste of your time.

03:00:44.000 I ate 1,200 last week.

03:00:45.000 God damn!

03:00:46.000 This one's 100, but I think there's two of them in there.

03:00:49.000 There's this new edible called Moon.

03:00:50.000 So this is 200 if you eat the two of them.

03:00:52.000 Listen, there's a thing called Moon.

03:00:54.000 Okay?

03:00:55.000 It's a chocolate bar.

03:00:56.000 It's ten fucking dollars.

03:00:59.000 Ten dollars.

03:01:00.000 It's called Moon.

03:01:01.000 I've eaten them twice.

03:01:02.000 How long do you know me?

03:01:04.000 A long time.

03:01:05.000 Both times the next day I could not go to jujitsu.

03:01:07.000 I didn't do much.

03:01:08.000 I didn't do much the next day.

03:01:09.000 They're that strong?

03:01:10.000 What'd you do?

03:01:11.000 I ate the whole bar.

03:01:13.000 And then what happened?

03:01:14.000 Dog, you gotta see pictures of me.

03:01:16.000 How many milligrams is it?

03:01:18.000 250, but they're lying to you.

03:01:21.000 They're definitely lying to me, which I like.

03:01:23.000 I like being lied to you.

03:01:24.000 I don't want to know what I'm eating.

03:01:27.000 But I saw pictures of me, it's like I got hit by Nunez.

03:01:30.000 Both eyes were fucked up.

03:01:33.000 That pocket fudge, that rocket fudge, that shit will fucking kill you.

03:01:37.000 Here's the beauty, that you go into these places, and they have all these $40 edibles, and they have all these ten, you know, this is ten fucking dollars.

03:01:47.000 You eat a half of that thing, and you'll be drooling.

03:01:50.000 And I got a better one for you.

03:01:52.000 I don't want to drool.

03:01:53.000 Listen to me.

03:01:53.000 There's one called Cushy.

03:01:57.000 They have 50 milligram, 100, and then they have Knockout.

03:02:01.000 In the back, listen to me.

03:02:03.000 It says it will activate in 60 minutes, guaranteed.

03:02:07.000 Okay?

03:02:08.000 Here's the thing about this.

03:02:09.000 Give it to Jamie.

03:02:10.000 Jamie, it comes in a...

03:02:11.000 Look at that.

03:02:12.000 Pushy punch.

03:02:13.000 That's super potent.

03:02:14.000 The fucking...

03:02:15.000 Where is it?

03:02:16.000 Not the recovery one, but they've got one that is so fucking strong, and I call it transmission fluid.

03:02:24.000 Because when you open it up, it comes like, you know, you ever go eat breakfast, the butter packages?

03:02:28.000 Yeah.

03:02:28.000 You have to rip them open and stick a knife in there.

03:02:30.000 Comes in one of those.

03:02:31.000 And they chop it in fours for you.

03:02:33.000 Okay?

03:02:34.000 Me, I'm a Gavone, I ate the whole, but when you peel the top off, and you smell it, it's like you're walking into a transmission shop.

03:02:43.000 Like, that's exactly, where is it?

03:02:45.000 Not the hybrid, not the end.

03:02:46.000 That's all for pussies.

03:02:47.000 TKO. TKO, bitch!

03:02:49.000 That's all for pussies.

03:02:50.000 Transmission fluid.

03:02:52.000 Oh my god.

03:02:54.000 Super potent gummy formula.

03:02:57.000 Best for high-tolerance users.

03:02:59.000 That's high-tolerance users.

03:03:00.000 You will die.

03:03:02.000 Oh man, it's a weird time because it's all legal now.

03:03:05.000 Now that it's legal, you're gonna see what these dudes can do.

03:03:08.000 You know, because they're gonna have to be held back though, because I think there's regulations on the potency of edibles now.

03:03:15.000 Is there?

03:03:15.000 I think so.

03:03:16.000 I think you just have to let people know what's in them.

03:03:18.000 I think it's 10. Ten.

03:03:20.000 Yeah, so each one will be ten.

03:03:22.000 Like in Denver, they were selling these containers of ten.

03:03:26.000 It was 100 milligrams, and there were these gumdrops, and each one of them was ten.

03:03:30.000 They're pretty consistent, but not totally consistent.

03:03:34.000 Like I ate one, I was like, yeah, that feels like ten, and then I ate another one that felt like 40 or 50. I was like, ooh, this one.

03:03:41.000 They don't have the real numbers.

03:03:43.000 I'll bring that cushy to you, and I'll make you eat the whole thing, and you'll go, Joey, that's not 200 milligrams.

03:03:48.000 They lie to us.

03:03:50.000 That's the case often, though.

03:03:51.000 I mean, like, it's hard to get real accurate testing.

03:03:55.000 And then also, like, who's doing the actual making and blending?

03:03:58.000 Yeah, we're making it and exact measurements.

03:04:00.000 Well, like, tomorrow I pick up my shipment of Anarchy Edibles.

03:04:03.000 Those are my home runs.

03:04:04.000 My shipment?

03:04:05.000 Oh, every Monday.

03:04:06.000 Like a fucking pallet?

03:04:07.000 Yeah, I meet him every Monday before jujitsu, about 1045. He gives me 100, 200 milligrams, 100 red ones, and a couple brownies.

03:04:16.000 I give the brownies away to my friends.

03:04:18.000 And I keep those for the podcast and when I fly and shit like that.

03:04:21.000 But then you get used to the same strain.

03:04:24.000 It's like marijuana.

03:04:25.000 If you smoke the same joint for three days, it's not going to get you as high as the first day because your tolerance builds to that strain.

03:04:31.000 So I mix and match, bitch.

03:04:33.000 And the only ones that are allowed in Uncle Joey's neighborhood are Cushy, the TKO, brilliant.

03:04:40.000 Fucking brilliant.

03:04:42.000 But that new rocket pocket, that rocket chocolate, that shit, dog, twice I've eaten them already.

03:04:48.000 And I'm telling you, the next day, I get up, I take the baby to school, I write a little bit, and by 10.30, there ain't nothing going on.

03:04:55.000 I gotta go right back to bed for four or five hours, dog.

03:04:58.000 Fucked up the next day.

03:05:00.000 There's gonna be a time in our lifetimes where they start passing medical psilocybin.

03:05:05.000 It's gonna happen.

03:05:06.000 And when they have medical psilocybin, eventually they're gonna go with recreational psilocybin.

03:05:11.000 And when they go with recreational psilocybin, we're gonna see a different world.

03:05:15.000 It's going to be a different fucking world.

03:05:17.000 But the same benefits that you're seeing with marijuana, the difference being that marijuana, at least when you're smoking it, it's easier to regulate.

03:05:23.000 The experience isn't so world-changing and dissolving.

03:05:26.000 But we're going to have freedom.

03:05:29.000 It's not here yet, but it's here now for pot in a way that's never been before.

03:05:33.000 Do you think once...

03:05:35.000 A big pharma goes 100% in on cannabis.

03:05:41.000 What kind of things do you think they'll do to squeeze out the small guys?

03:05:45.000 You know what I mean?

03:05:46.000 They've already done it.

03:05:47.000 They tried to do it in Ohio.

03:05:48.000 They can make it...

03:05:49.000 Okay, now it's legal, but we're the only ones that can sell it.

03:05:52.000 Well, that's what they did, Jamie.

03:05:53.000 You know what I mean?

03:05:53.000 You can't sell it if you're on your own.

03:05:55.000 What was that deal in Ohio, Jamie?

03:05:56.000 That seems like what's going to happen eventually.

03:05:59.000 The big businesses get involved.

03:06:01.000 They're going to squeeze everybody out.

03:06:02.000 They're going to pass regulations.

03:06:03.000 Jamie?

03:06:04.000 Yeah, they were trying to like lock down.

03:06:06.000 There's like, I think it was like four companies that would have been able to grow and no one else would be able to grow or sell.

03:06:11.000 I think it was in perpetuity, like forever.

03:06:13.000 It just seems like that's what we're going to deal with.

03:06:16.000 Cuts.

03:06:17.000 People like a regular person.

03:06:18.000 There's money involved.

03:06:19.000 Like regular people, can they make like, can they start their own cigarette companies?

03:06:23.000 Exactly.

03:06:23.000 Can they do that?

03:06:24.000 Right.

03:06:24.000 It's a good question.

03:06:25.000 You can't get into the cigarette company.

03:06:27.000 No.

03:06:27.000 I think they...

03:06:27.000 I don't know.

03:06:29.000 I don't know anything about it, but I don't hear about people making their own cigarettes.

03:06:33.000 You make your own wine, though.

03:06:34.000 You can make your own cigarettes if you buy your own tobacco and you can roll your own.

03:06:37.000 But as far as going into large-scale production, yeah, you're probably right.

03:06:40.000 The thing about the marijuana thing is you already know how easy it is to grow, you fucks.

03:06:46.000 The fact that they try to lock it down and make it so only a few companies can grow it, make it legal, but only a few people can profit off it.

03:06:53.000 That's crazy.

03:06:54.000 And then they make it so goddamn cheap that growing it yourself and trying to sell it yourself just doesn't become an option anymore.

03:07:02.000 People just say, fuck it.

03:07:03.000 They're just going to get cheap-ass weed at the liquor store, at the gas station.

03:07:08.000 They're just...

03:07:09.000 After a generation or two, people forget it.

03:07:11.000 It'll be like a connoisseur thing.

03:07:13.000 You know that in the fucking 70s, 60 Minutes did a show one time, and they showed that already in the 70s, the cigarette companies already had farms set up.

03:07:23.000 They were already working on the packaging.

03:07:26.000 Oh, yeah.

03:07:26.000 In the 70s, they were already trying to legalize it, and the cigarette companies were already in on it.

03:07:31.000 Right now, we don't think all these fucking cigarette companies are setting up that Kentucky.

03:07:35.000 What is that weed from Kentucky that's really good?

03:07:37.000 Kentucky, they have a weed in Kentucky.

03:07:40.000 Like, Alaska has, like, Matt Neuther, Thunderfuck.

03:07:44.000 Kentucky has like that blue grass.

03:07:46.000 I went up there when somebody brought me that weed.

03:07:49.000 They're going to package all those.

03:07:50.000 The same way they package Acapulco Gold.

03:07:53.000 Remember that?

03:07:54.000 You think there'll be a Marlboro cannabis cigarette?

03:07:57.000 Yeah, they're already getting involved.

03:07:58.000 I got a friend.

03:07:59.000 We have a mutual friend.

03:08:00.000 I won't say his name, but he's in the marijuana business.

03:08:03.000 Brian Callen?

03:08:03.000 No, I wish.

03:08:05.000 Be awesome.

03:08:05.000 But he was saying that's the issue is that those big cigarette companies are buying up so much shit they're making it hard for other people to get involved in.

03:08:14.000 Yeah, that's just the way it goes.

03:08:16.000 They already have their hands in it.

03:08:17.000 Anytime there's something that's selling, like hotcakes, eventually the small man gets cut out.

03:08:27.000 Right?

03:08:27.000 That's the way it works.

03:08:28.000 Yeah, it happens a lot.

03:08:29.000 It certainly happens a lot.

03:08:30.000 Whenever there's regulations where they can profit and they can use their influence and fuck over people that also could profit.

03:08:38.000 The problem with pot is it's so goddamn easy to grow that if they don't do that, anybody could step in.

03:08:44.000 But what they were trying to do in Ohio, lock it down for perpetuity forever, that these one companies could be the only ones.

03:08:50.000 They're setting up monarchies.

03:08:53.000 Yeah.

03:08:53.000 That's scary.

03:08:54.000 That's coming, though.

03:08:55.000 We haven't heard the end of that shit.

03:08:56.000 No, no, no.

03:08:57.000 That's coming.

03:08:58.000 Well, it's going to be interesting when Trump's the president now.

03:09:00.000 See where they go with all this.

03:09:01.000 Because that Jeff Sessions guy that he's bringing in, that guy hates Biden.

03:09:04.000 They're not going to let these hippies make millions of dollars.

03:09:07.000 That's only going to last.

03:09:08.000 These are going to be considered the good old days.

03:09:10.000 They're going to wish it was never legal.

03:09:13.000 Who knows?

03:09:13.000 We're going to find out.

03:09:15.000 It's going to be interesting.

03:09:16.000 Trump has said that he's going to leave it up to the states, but presidents always say shit that they don't do.

03:09:21.000 I mean, Obama was going to close down Guantanamo Bay.

03:09:23.000 That motherfucker's still open eight years later.

03:09:26.000 He never even made an attempt at it.

03:09:27.000 I think sometimes they say that stuff, they don't realize how much work goes into it, right?

03:09:31.000 Well, I think they say that, and then they get into office, and then they get handed some dossiers and some fucking briefings, and they understand, like, what...

03:09:39.000 People are like, this is why we haven't done this before.

03:09:41.000 Look, I know you were saying you're going to close down Guantanamo Bay because it helped your campaign, but we're going to get you in here and show you what the fuck...

03:09:47.000 I think all those guys, they didn't sit them down.

03:09:49.000 They knew that shit...

03:09:50.000 Maybe.

03:09:50.000 Way before.

03:09:51.000 They knew what they were getting into.

03:09:52.000 Maybe.

03:09:53.000 It's the only reason they were allowed to rise so high.

03:09:56.000 I think they say a bunch of shit to get into office.

03:09:58.000 They say whatever the fuck they have.

03:09:59.000 No, no, for sure.

03:10:00.000 They lie their ass off.

03:10:01.000 Everything that comes out of Hillary's mouth.

03:10:03.000 Do you watch House of Cards?

03:10:04.000 It's so clear.

03:10:05.000 It's like George W. Bush.

03:10:07.000 Everything that George W. Bush says when he talks.

03:10:09.000 God damn it, we got into conspiracies.

03:10:10.000 If your bullshit meter doesn't go off, right?

03:10:13.000 Yeah.

03:10:13.000 Bro, he didn't even get to the part, tell him about Edmund, the CIA. No, no, no, no.

03:10:18.000 Edmund is the CIA, dog.

03:10:19.000 No, no, no, no.

03:10:22.000 Maybe that's the key.

03:10:24.000 So, let's end it.

03:10:25.000 It's 8-10.

03:10:27.000 This is a good fucking podcast.

03:10:28.000 Love you, man.

03:10:28.000 Happy New Year, everybody.

03:10:29.000 Thank you, brother.

03:10:29.000 Good to see you, man.

03:10:30.000 I've seen you in a while.

03:10:31.000 Love you, brother.

03:10:32.000 Thank you.

03:10:33.000 Good times, ladies and gentlemen.

03:10:34.000 We'll be back tomorrow with Hashtag WhoIsFatWeek.

03:10:37.000 Tom Segura and Burt Kreischer weigh in tomorrow at 11 a.m.

03:10:41.000 They've been losing...

03:10:43.000 Wait for months now.

03:10:45.000 And Tom is writing hashtag Bert is fat.

03:10:48.000 Bert is writing hashtag Tom is fat.

03:10:50.000 Tom and Bert both started out at about 267 in that range.

03:10:54.000 And now they're fucking light.

03:10:57.000 I can't wait to see.

03:10:58.000 Tom looks fantastic.

03:10:59.000 Tom's only been drinking water.

03:11:01.000 That's it.

03:11:02.000 He doesn't even drink soda.

03:11:03.000 Doesn't drink diet soda.

03:11:04.000 Doesn't drink coffee anymore.

03:11:06.000 He's just drinking water.

03:11:07.000 Two of my favorite people.

03:11:08.000 Super disciplined.

03:11:09.000 He looks fucking great.

03:11:10.000 Did you see the videos of his face?

03:11:13.000 Can we see that real quick before we go?

03:11:15.000 Go to Tom Segura's Instagram before we leave, because he's got a real funny video.

03:11:19.000 We'll leave it on this, and then we'll show one at Bert's to balance it out.

03:11:24.000 But Tom Segura's Instagram, there's a video of him talking to the cameras, because Bert put this video of he ran for five and a half hours and lost like 3,000 fucking calories, because Bert's a savage.

03:11:36.000 I mean, he's a psychopath.

03:11:37.000 Psycho.

03:11:38.000 He's not the disciplined guy that Tom is.

03:11:40.000 Tom's more slow and steady.

03:11:41.000 He wins the race.

03:11:42.000 And Bert is like, I will run till I die.

03:11:44.000 You know who he is right now?

03:11:45.000 I went to his house for Christmas.

03:11:47.000 See you on Christmas Day with the kids.

03:11:49.000 He's Bert Rudiger.

03:11:51.000 Remember when he was outside the sauna?

03:11:54.000 Yeah.

03:11:54.000 And they were like, get in there.

03:11:56.000 And he's like, I can't.

03:11:56.000 Is that what he looks like now?

03:11:58.000 No, no, Tom.

03:11:59.000 Go to Tom Segura.

03:12:01.000 Bert Kreischer is going on like a fucking...

03:12:03.000 He's starving himself right now.

03:12:05.000 Goddamn, look at that.

03:12:06.000 Look how good Tom looks.

03:12:07.000 Wow.

03:12:08.000 Play that.

03:12:09.000 Hey, what's up?

03:12:10.000 I saw old fat-ass Bert's Instagram and all you fucking suckers believing it.

03:12:17.000 That's called playing catch-up.

03:12:19.000 Catch-up!

03:12:20.000 I've covered so many more miles than you.

03:12:22.000 I'm not losing this beautiful, perfect fucking beard.

03:12:25.000 Loser has to shave the beard.

03:12:27.000 Keep running, man.

03:12:27.000 You should run all night.

03:12:29.000 I don't want to see Tom on the beard.

03:12:30.000 Run tomorrow.

03:12:30.000 Run every day.

03:12:32.000 I don't even have to fucking run anymore.

03:12:33.000 I already had your ass beat.

03:12:38.000 He looks great, man.

03:12:39.000 I'm lost already.

03:12:40.000 I'm ahead in the game.

03:12:41.000 And I am watching a fucking bowl game.

03:12:43.000 Because I know I weigh less than you, you fat motherfucker.

03:12:48.000 Look how good he looks, man.

03:12:50.000 God, he looks great.

03:12:51.000 Let's go to Bird here.

03:12:52.000 I talked to Tom Skr the other day, and I told him I'm turning on the nitrous oxide to this weight loss challenge.

03:12:57.000 You want to see what the nitrous oxide is?

03:13:00.000 20...

03:13:03.000 God, done.

03:13:04.000 5 hours and 23 minutes.

03:13:06.000 How many calories?

03:13:07.000 3,266 at an average of 4.1?

03:13:12.000 This is that Mickey Mantle gene I always talk about.

03:13:15.000 That long strand DNA. That part of your brain that won't let you quit.

03:13:19.000 It forces you to go that extra 22 miles to make sure you don't lose your beard.

03:13:24.000 We'll be weighing in live on YouTube on Joe Rogan's podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience, January 2nd and January 3rd.

03:13:30.000 Tune in to find out who loses their beard.

03:13:32.000 I can tell you one thing.

03:13:33.000 It won't be the guy killing it.

03:13:35.000 It'll be the guy laying in bed watching a bowl game right now.

03:13:39.000 Oh, Big Tommy Buns.

03:13:40.000 I hope you got a sponsorship from Dollar Shave Club, because I'm coming, and I'm coming for your beard.

03:13:47.000 I love those guys!

03:13:50.000 It's hilarious, but honestly, it's going to be real interesting to see whether Bert's craziness can balance out Tom's discipline, because Tom's been disciplined for a long time, man.

03:14:02.000 I've been watching him.

03:14:04.000 He does an hour of fucking cardio every day.

03:14:07.000 Every day.

03:14:08.000 He's not taking any days off.

03:14:10.000 He's not drinking at all.

03:14:11.000 He's not cheating at all.

03:14:12.000 Burt's been drinking this whole time.

03:14:14.000 Burt's still drinking.

03:14:15.000 You don't think he drank last night?

03:14:17.000 It was New Year's Eve!

03:14:18.000 You know he, ah, a couple of cocktails!

03:14:20.000 A couple of vodka sodas!

03:14:21.000 And he just figures, I'll just find out what a vodka soda is, and I'll burn that off on the treadmill.

03:14:26.000 Yeah, look at that.

03:14:27.000 Yeah.

03:14:28.000 Is that supposed to be water?

03:14:31.000 Skinny bitch.

03:14:31.000 Yeah, that ain't water.

03:14:34.000 It's really interesting.

03:14:35.000 Is that what they call them?

03:14:35.000 Vodka tonic?

03:14:36.000 Or vodka soda water?

03:14:39.000 They call it a skinny bitch?

03:14:40.000 Yeah.

03:14:41.000 Yeah, man.

03:14:42.000 Really interesting.

03:14:43.000 He always does his sets with his shirt off.

03:14:45.000 Yeah, right?

03:14:46.000 He takes his shirt off seconds into being on stage.

03:14:50.000 But it's funny because he's skinny.

03:14:52.000 Or because he's fat.

03:14:53.000 If he gets skinny, he can't just take your shirt off and be jacked.

03:14:58.000 Yeah, because he's a big fella.

03:15:00.000 He put something.

03:15:00.000 He put a picture on there.

03:15:01.000 Some guy wrote a comment on that.

03:15:03.000 I remember you had a bit about that.

03:15:04.000 Don't hang that on the mic.

03:15:05.000 It makes noise.

03:15:06.000 Oh, I remember that.

03:15:06.000 You had a bit about that, these comments that people write.

03:15:10.000 Where the fuck do they get off?

03:15:13.000 There was just one on there that he's just making a statement.

03:15:16.000 The guy's like, you can't find a shirt that fits you.

03:15:19.000 Where the fuck do these people get off?

03:15:20.000 They're retarded.

03:15:20.000 Don't they have a fucking life, these people?

03:15:22.000 They don't.

03:15:23.000 That's why they're on the internet.

03:15:24.000 What a sad, sad fucking world to live in.

03:15:27.000 I remember one day Duncan sent me a thing that he did with a Reddit shit and a bunch of people, and they were talking about fat comics that they shouldn't...

03:15:39.000 When have you ever seen a successful fat comic?

03:15:42.000 It's been a fucking shitload of them.

03:15:44.000 And I was reading this going, what planet are you fucking from?

03:15:47.000 They're just dark people.

03:15:48.000 How about Sam Kinison?

03:15:49.000 He's fat in his whole career.

03:15:50.000 John Candy.

03:15:51.000 Belushi.

03:15:51.000 What the fuck?

03:15:53.000 Anyway, let's end this motherfucker.

03:15:55.000 Well, you know what, man?

03:15:56.000 Remember when you were 16 and you were mugging gay dudes?

03:16:00.000 If you had an Instagram account, you'd probably be talking shit to Tom Segura.

03:16:03.000 It's the same thing.

03:16:04.000 It's the same thing.

03:16:05.000 Dude, I had a guy, and it's very rare I ever get back to him.

03:16:08.000 This guy said something just ruthless, and I was like, God damn it.

03:16:11.000 I clicked on his profile, and it's a picture of him holding his daughter.

03:16:15.000 So I said, dude, you got a fucking kid, man.

03:16:19.000 I get it, you might hate me.

03:16:20.000 Don't be that loser that comments on another man's fucking Instagram page.

03:16:24.000 You got a fucking kid, for God's sakes.

03:16:27.000 And now I got to block you for being a moron.

03:16:29.000 People can't help it.

03:16:30.000 Everybody likes to cum.

03:16:31.000 Even morons.

03:16:32.000 Morons like to cum and they can make a kid.

03:16:35.000 It's just a bummer.

03:16:37.000 That's the end, ladies and gentlemen.

03:16:39.000 Don't be a moron.

03:16:40.000 Don't be a moron.

03:16:41.000 But you know what, man?

03:16:42.000 This whole being a moron thing, even that, it's temporary.

03:16:46.000 That's life.

03:16:47.000 We're coming to a head.

03:16:48.000 It's not far away, folks.

03:16:50.000 There will be integration.

03:16:51.000 All of us will be connected in some strange hive mind.

03:16:54.000 And we're about five, maybe ten years away from it.

03:16:57.000 It won't be as simple as like...

03:16:58.000 Send a fucking tweet or anything.

03:17:00.000 It's going to go right to your brain and everyone's going to be aware that you did it and they're all going to be able to go back at you and we're going to share information in a way that's just as weird to us today as the internet was 30 years ago.

03:17:12.000 Nobody ever thought you'd have to deal with this shit.

03:17:14.000 Imagine back when Rick James was a fucking on top of the world.

03:17:18.000 Do you think you would have had a look at his Instagram page like, what the fuck are they saying to Rick James?

03:17:23.000 It's a weird time when everybody can just talk to you.

03:17:26.000 It's going to be more than that.

03:17:27.000 The next levels go right into your brain.

03:17:30.000 I don't like that.

03:17:31.000 I don't like it either, but it's happening.

03:17:32.000 Deal with it, bitch!

03:17:34.000 Deal with it!

03:17:35.000 Tomorrow, hashtag whoisfat starts at 11 a.m.

03:17:38.000 Pacific Time.

03:17:40.000 Eddie Bravo, Matt Flavor, Brendan Schaub.

03:17:44.000 That's it.

03:17:45.000 Big Brown Breakdown tomorrow.

03:17:46.000 Big Brown Breakdown tomorrow, you fucks.

03:17:49.000 See ya, love ya, bye!

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 01, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #893 - Fight Recap

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