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00:00:14.000They say on rainy days that people are a little bit more devious.
00:00:18.000So if you have an honor jar where you got to put like tips, you know, if you take a bagel at the office and you're supposed to put like a dollar in there, on rainy days, some people tend to not do it.
00:00:29.000They're like, I'm not going to give it.
00:00:56.000I can tell you that when I take girls, when I would take women shopping back in the day, it even happens with my wife now, I get a little horny because I'm the man.
00:01:08.000With my wife, before we got married, she wanted these shoes and they were fucking high-heeled sneakers, right?
00:01:14.000I'm like, some asshole named Ted calls himself Christian Louboutin, and now I gotta pay $800 for a high-heeled sandal.
00:01:20.000I mean, the amount of leather that goes into a sandal...
00:01:24.000But the two women are saleswomen, and I'm the man.
00:01:27.000And I'm the man, and I think I was in a linen shirt, and I had a blazer on, a linen blazer I spent too much money on, and I'm taking my girl on a little weekend in Santa Barbara.
00:02:03.000And she goes, and she, this bitch, God bless her, my wife, she hides behind her own hand and she goes, you're going to ruin me for other men.
00:02:25.000Well, basically what you're doing, Brian, is just perpetuating these gender stereotypes that have been essentially boxing people into these behavior patterns for years.
00:02:51.000Do you want to shatter the patriarchy?
00:02:52.000I want to just break all the glass ceilings, Brian.
00:02:56.000Rose McGowan, who I think is sexy as all get out, was on the cover of some terrible magazine, and she's in a leather jacket, dressed like a man, of course.
00:03:04.000It's interesting how when you want to shatter the patriarchy, you're dressed, you know, she's in pants, and I think she had gloves with the fingers cut out.
00:03:11.000Maybe she didn't, but in my mind she did.
00:03:13.000And she She's hanging on to something.
00:05:11.000Hey, sometimes we're so flummoxed by your beauty and power that we want to say, we'll just say anything.
00:05:18.000Most of the time, you can't even look at her, and when you want to get to her, you just want to say anything just so she looks at you, and it's clumsy!
00:05:25.000Yeah, but maybe that's you, but there's a lot of dickwads out there that go up to women And they go, hey, why don't you smile?
00:05:48.000When a guy's pursuing a woman and he's saying things like that and he's kind of gross and clumsy, we think of it as like a dude being gross and clumsy to us.
00:05:57.000But a guy being gross and clumsy to you, you don't feel like you might get raped.
00:06:56.000People get into things and they might get into activism and they might get into the response they get from other people because they embrace activism.
00:07:04.000That's as much of an addiction as anything else.
00:07:06.000And sometimes those addictions lead to really great work because people do get addicted to the adulation that they get from doing good things so they continue to do good things and it becomes their thing and letting everyone know about how much good things they're doing.
00:07:20.000That's why it's so amazing when you find out about someone who does things quietly.
00:07:24.000Like someone who donates money quietly or helps people quietly and is not trying to get any attention whatsoever for it.
00:07:33.000Truman said something like, I read a quote, he said, you'd be amazed at how much you can get accomplished if you're not worried about who gets the credit for it.
00:07:43.000I think that's how charity should be given.
00:07:46.000I mean, if you put your name on the charity or on the building, you know...
00:07:50.000Yeah, there's, well, I mean, I guess it's as long as good charity gets done.
00:07:54.000Charity to me has always been a very strange thing because it is super important, you know, that people help people out.
00:08:01.000But when you find out how much of these organizations actually spend the money on the charity itself and how much of it goes to the structure of the organization.
00:08:19.000Well, the Clinton Foundation is a good example.
00:08:21.000They had something—they don't know yet, but it was pretty astonishing at how much went to running the corporation and how much was—it's going to be really interesting to see how much the Clinton Foundation can raise now that both of them have no political influence anymore.
00:08:37.000Well, they still have influence, right?
00:11:21.000I don't go to schools and, you know, draw lines on that.
00:11:25.000There are a lot of things that are hard to figure out, right?
00:11:27.000There are a lot of things where you're like, you can draw these broad-based conclusions.
00:11:31.000Like I read one article in the New York Times about how doctors are in the pockets of pharmaceutical companies and the reps are cheerleaders.
00:11:38.000And I got a fucking email from this guy who was a former Green Beret friend of Tim Kennedy's and he goes, hey dude, just so you know, I sell drugs to doctors.
00:11:48.000I'm just telling you the reality on the ground versus what you're reading from the New York Times is so diametrically opposed, it's ridiculous.
00:11:56.000Well, in his circumstance, but he's one guy working for one pharmaceutical company.
00:12:02.000It's huge, and its practices vary widely, especially depending upon what drugs you're selling.
00:12:07.000My wife's mom is a nurse, and she used to work with pharmaceutical companies.
00:12:12.000They would take them out to steak dinner, and they would woo them, and they would literally do everything they could to get you to be super high on that company.
00:12:20.000And it's what they do to gain influence without actually paying you to say shit to the patients.
00:12:26.000Say if there's a company that you like.
00:12:28.000Like this hat I'm wearing, Vortex, Optics, nice people.
00:12:58.000Now I think that there are a lot of strident laws or stringent laws, whatever, against sort of influence peddling and giving gifts even in the form of any kind of a trip, any kind of a dinner.
00:13:10.000A lot of that stuff is there's a wall now being sort of around.
00:13:12.000Well, it's a super good idea, but people are so open to suggestion that it should be absolutely illegal to advertise drugs.
00:13:20.000Well, how about the fact that pharmaceutical companies are bankrolling, you know, scientists, food companies bankroll scientists to do research on, you know, on simple sugars and how your diet can be made of 25% simple sugars, you know, according to our scientists that happen to also be on the Coca-Cola Nestle Kraft payroll.
00:13:38.000Were you talking about the 1950s studies?
00:13:42.000I'm talking about the fact that the food and board nutrition, the food and nutrition board or whatever, the bodies of government that set the nutritional standards for what mothers with dependent children eat, what the military eats, what our school programs are.
00:13:58.000Take a look at what their nutritional guidelines are and take a look at the corporations, the people that are actually providing the food.
00:14:28.000I think that's what they call it, food and nutrition board.
00:14:30.000But he, I can't remember, don't quote me exactly, but he does a very good job of tracing the genealogy here.
00:14:37.000He's a vegan, so I don't really agree with him, but he does an amazing job of kind of showing you just exactly how the big food companies are very influential.
00:14:46.000In getting their products into the mouths and bellies of people who are relying on the government to feed them.
00:14:52.000Do you know how much that infuriates vegans?
00:14:53.000You say, well, he's a vegan, so I don't really agree with him.
00:15:22.000Well, it was a lot of parts of a lot of the ways people were managing their nutrition.
00:15:28.000He never talked about things like insulin.
00:15:32.000It's not that scientific because insulin is a big thing to talk about, like how food reacts, the kind of hormonal response food has in your body, what dietary cholesterol really does, all those things.
00:15:44.000The real combination, the real correct combination should be all healthy things.
00:16:06.000Campbell recommends a vegan diet, no animal-based food at all.
00:16:10.000He claims that population studies demonstrate that vegan populations do not suffer from the high incidence of cardiovascular disease and cancer that we in the West do with our diets heavy on animal protein.
00:16:22.000He also draws a correlation between, if I remember correctly, milk and juvenile diabetes.
00:16:28.000I mean, he draws all these correlations to even chronic illnesses that manifest themselves in children with meat and dairy.
00:16:37.000This is Chris Masterjohn's take on it.
00:16:41.000He says, when I first started analyzing the original China study data, I had no intention of writing up an actual critique of Campbell's much-lauded book.
00:16:56.000I mainly wanted to see for myself how closely Campbell's claims aligned with the datas he drew from, if only to satisfy my own curiosity.
00:17:05.000But after spending a solid month and a half of reading, graphing, sticky, noting, and passing out at 3 a.m.
00:17:10.000from studious exhaustion upon my copy of the raw China study data, I've decided that it's time to voice all my criticisms, and there are many.
00:17:24.000Campbell conveniently fails to mention the county of Tuoli in China.
00:17:29.000The folks in Tuoli ate 45% of their diet is fat, 134 grams of animal protein each day, twice as much as the average American, and rarely ate vegetables or other plant foods.
00:17:42.000Yet, according to the China study data, they were extremely healthy with low rates of cancer and heart disease.
00:18:03.000I really honestly believe that the two The real problem is the ideology, because the vegans are absolutely not able to get over the idea that you should ever eat or kill an animal.
00:18:25.000When they do that, if they can get factory made meat and factory made fat, and if it turns out in any way to actually be like the same thing, like you can eat it and it's healthy, vegans should eat it.
00:19:25.000I've never seen anybody on a vegetable-based diet actually be able to compete in strength, explosion, those kinds of things, to the level that other people do.
00:19:33.000There's a vegan powerlifter in the Olympics, so that doesn't make any sense.
00:19:36.000And then there's other vegan strongmen.
00:19:42.000I'm just saying that, you know, according to Pollacklin, for the most part, his athletes, he thinks, have to eat meat because it creates a more, you know, better for recovery, better for strength, better for all that stuff.
00:19:52.000I'm sure that that is dependent entirely on the athlete.
00:19:56.000Because I think there's some vegans that will tell you that they do a vegan diet and they feel better.
00:19:59.000I know John Fitch did a vegan diet for a while, but then he felt weak.
00:20:04.000We just got to a point where, you see, this is one of the things that Chris Kresser talked about on the podcast as well, that there's some initial positive benefits from changing your diet to a nutrient-rich, nutrient-dense diet, like a vegan diet, as opposed to a standard American diet.
00:20:27.000Now, a smart vegan would tell you, well, that could be mitigated by better planning of your meals and making sure that you get all these healthy things.
00:23:02.000But the problem is that you walk and it looks exactly like a rock.
00:23:05.000And if you're walking around in like a, you know, kind of down there in the ocean or, you know, you walk on that, you can get one of those in your foot.
00:23:41.000What the fuck information is being passed from animal to animal and from nature to animal that allows these simple animals like a fish to just change its body shape Over time.
00:24:53.000Like when I was in Tahiti, I was in this—because survival's a motherfucker, right?
00:24:58.000I was in Tahiti, and they had this incredible—it's where all the sea turtles would lay their eggs, and we would watch them hatch, and all these adorable little babies would run down to the ocean.
00:26:45.000But then if you take yourself out of that context of familiarity and you just get a look at what that life form is, that thing is a shield on its back.
00:27:08.000When we were done scuba diving, we saw this pod of beautiful little dolphins, not bottlenose porpoises, but the kind of dolphins, the little gray ones you see that you swim with.
00:27:18.000And it was a group of them, and they swim with the boat.
00:27:21.000They know you're there, and they'll swim with you, and they swim with the boat, and they jump out of the air, and they flip, and they're literally showing off for you.
00:30:08.000I read that a guy got bit by a crocodile, not a big one, and he reached behind the crocodile, stuck his hand up the thing's ass, and pulled whatever he could out, and the crocodile let go of him.
00:32:12.000It's because people and things and turtles like to fuck, and if they like to fuck, they make too many of them, so we have to have around crocodiles and alligators and lions and everything else that eats shit.
00:32:48.000You know, a lot of times, even at our own expense, that famous, whether it's true or not, the legend of Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel and going blind because the paint was in his eyes, inspired by something bigger than himself.
00:33:28.000I'd rather believe that we have something inherent in us that is, I don't know what it is, maybe an inherent inspiration, a nostalgia to create something that's much bigger than ourselves, that moves people to tears,
00:33:44.000brings them to their knees, drops their jaw in awe.
00:33:52.000Back then it was the only way to leave that mark, too.
00:33:55.000You have to understand the context of the time.
00:33:58.000If you think about today, you could write a book, you could make a movie, you could fucking do a comedy show, you could do this, you could do that.
00:36:09.000If you are a person that is breeding those things in captivity, keeping them in swimming pools, it's crazy that it's legal.
00:36:17.000What's funny is I didn't know anything.
00:36:18.000I never thought about that, didn't know that, didn't think that.
00:36:22.000Would have told you they were probably very happy until Blackfish came out, which I didn't even see because I didn't want to see it.
00:36:28.000I've had this kid Phil Demers on my podcast a couple times now and he's from Marineland.
00:36:32.000He got fired from Marineland and he has gone like way out of his way to expose, it's in Canada, to expose all of these violations of animal welfare and animal safety and all of the fucking horrible practices that this place,
00:36:50.000now they're being brought up on charges.
00:36:52.000They were just recently brought up on more charges.
00:36:55.000Like, he tweeted something about it just a couple of days ago.
00:36:58.000Marineland's brought up on more charges.
00:37:03.000And he developed this, like, really close bond with this walrus that he was training in.
00:37:06.000But he was like, this place is fucked.
00:37:08.000Like, they don't give a shit about these things.
00:37:10.000They don't give a shit about these animals.
00:37:11.000And he's like, and they were getting their dolphins and their orcas, they're getting them from these, uh, Russian ships that would get them from China.
00:39:12.000Well, this is an animal that is used to jump through hoops, literally, for fish, and to do twirls and stuff, and to pull you along as you ride them, right, or water ski on them.
00:40:11.000Well, people hear about it on the internet.
00:40:13.000They start exchanging information, start reading about things that they're doing there, start reading about how long the animals live in the wild versus how long they live in captivity.
00:40:22.000You see the dorsal fin that flops over because they never have to deal with waves, so it atrophies.
00:41:21.000And as much as those things do jump up on that platform and do get that fish and do the flips and make everybody happy, it's fucked up.
00:41:29.000And also, I feel like if they really wanted to have a relationship with these orcas, the correct way to do it Would be to have some sort of a meeting ground where they meet these orcas and they get them to do things for fish.
00:43:49.000If it's 50 years from now or 80 years from now, whatever it is, the real problem is going to be when are we just going to be like a spinal cord hooked up to all this stuff?
00:45:12.000And he said, there's this weird situation where we call it the, I think it was the revulsion factor or the repulsive factor.
00:45:21.000So human beings, you can get something really close and people will fuck it.
00:45:26.000Like you can have like just a pocket pussy, right?
00:45:28.000A guy will carry around just like a fleshlight or a gel pussy and bang it in the bathroom in his office break, right?
00:45:36.000While he watches porn on his phone, whatever it might be.
00:45:39.000But there's something about a robot, when you try to get it really human, apparently, from their research, and I'm not saying this guy comes up, he's working on sexual robots, but like he said, there's something about creating a robot that's so human-like,
00:45:57.000but there's just something missing, like the expression in the eyes or whatever.
00:46:02.000And it gets to a point when you get it as real as possible, like as real as real as possible.
00:46:08.000People will fuck, fuck, fuck, and then when it gets surreal, they'll go, ah!
00:47:19.000Call 1-800-HOT-SLUT. I just like that you immediately, before we got back to the fact that it was a girl, she liked strawberries, and what was the other thing?
00:47:46.000Well, they have, you know, it's one of the fun things, I guess, about being gay is they have these female diva, like idols that they worship, you know, like shares a giant one, right?
00:47:59.000So in A Billion Wicked Thoughts, they- What is that?
00:48:02.000It's a really great book written by two neuroscientists.
00:48:34.000And there are, according to the research that I've done in my backyard and from this book, which is a great book, and I got it from, I think it was Gad Saad maybe who was recommending or talking about it, but no, it was Jordan Peterson, so I read it.
00:48:50.000You know, there are fundamental differences with the way a man who's gay's brain reacts to certain things in relation to how the average straight brain reacts to certain things.
00:49:04.000This is kind of a dicey situation and territory because we don't know all the facts.
00:49:08.000But according to the other research, why is the gay penis a half inch longer?
00:49:14.000Apparently it may have to do with the androgens, the presence of more androgens, I guess, or more testosterone, whatever it is, in the uterus at a certain point in time, which may be why some people are born.
00:49:37.000Do you think, though, that it is possible to be born straight, but somewhere along the lines of your life, become attracted to the same sex, and be gay?
00:50:53.000I really believe that's true, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it, necessarily, because why is that any better than being, or worse, rather, than being indoctrinated at a certain school of music?
00:51:03.000Like, oh, we only listen to this kind of rock.
00:52:57.000Well, it's just a bizarre compromise because one of the sexiest things about kissing is the feeling of someone's lips moving with your lips and their tongue moving with your tongue.
00:53:07.000And then all of a sudden, you have this...
00:54:05.000And so depending on what you're driven by, there's a book written about this, and I can't remember the book, but in a very small portion, people are driven by auditory stimulus.
00:54:17.000So your voice might be enough to get a girl going.
00:54:20.000You could look like, you know, whatever.
00:54:22.000Something's not attractive, but your voice is what gets her going.
00:54:25.000So it all depends on what triggers people, what their overwhelming...
00:54:32.000Sort of what the connection is to their senses.
00:54:34.000You know, probably the biggest one, the biggest difference between men and women is the desire for a successful companion.
00:54:42.000Like, men don't give a fuck if a woman's successful.
00:56:27.000I think that's part of the mechanism that makes this weird world work.
00:56:32.000Human beings, the way I view them, are a gigantic super organism working towards some sort of an unknown technological goal.
00:56:39.000I feel like if I had to do a one sentence overview of the human race, that's what I would say.
00:56:44.000And I think that somewhere along the line, our individual personalities and our individual hobbies and obsessions and desires, all of those, although they appear to be coming from us uniquely and us as an individual, and even though we relate to tribes who are also into,
00:57:00.000you know, whatever, jujitsu or kettlebells or ballet or whatever the fuck it is, ultimately, all these pieces fit into place as these Portions of the super organism that make things flow in a forward direction and whether you're obsessed with Architecture or whether you're obsessed with achieving peak fitness or running a thousand miles in an hour Whatever the fuck it is All of those things are working together collectively
00:57:31.000in the entire superorganism of the human race, and they're working towards some sort of a technological goal.
00:57:37.000Because the technological world and the world of technological innovation is slowly but surely integrating itself into our lives.
00:57:45.000If we looked at it objectively, we'd be like, whoa, this is like a life form that's asking to be born from the husks of human civilization.
00:57:53.000Like, it's going to go inside of us And it's going to give birth like some sort of aquatic worm that comes out of a fucking grasshopper and talks into jumping into a pond.
00:58:03.000Well, I just think it's interesting that human beings are spending enough time creating virtual experiences so that eventually, if you look at the trajectory of this and the technology at play, You're going to be able to have experiences of what it's like to be someone else.
00:59:14.000So now you can experience what it's like to be someone else who's been through a hard time and realize in many ways that they're very human.
00:59:22.000Well, I have all these emotional triggers around Arabs and stuff because I grew up in the Arab world and they are very much people to me, right?
00:59:28.000The Middle East, this strange place with all those fanatics.
00:59:33.000When you grow up there the way I did, you lived there for eight years of your life, you have a very different point of view on the Middle East and Arabs.
00:59:39.000What I think of when I think of Arabs is I see a smiling face and a welcoming mat.
00:59:44.000I see somebody who's making me tea and bringing me into their house and giving me food.
00:59:49.000I see a group of them who are laughing their ass off and having a blast, and I see people hugging and holding hands.
01:00:04.000So I think that's because I had that virtual experience.
01:00:07.000And I love this idea because as we are able to experience what it's like to be someone else and realize how similar they are to us, despite all the cultural differences, hopefully it'll make for at least a more You know what the problem with all this is?
01:00:21.000Yeah, it'll make for a more understanding world, until I gotta compete for fucking water, and my daughter's thirsty.
01:00:29.000Well, it seems like there's plenty of water.
01:00:31.000I think the biggest problem that we've got right now is that we've been going through a war with the Middle East for 13 years.
01:00:38.000And when you go through a war for 13 years, say if you do something, like if you're on heroin for six years, how long does it take for the effects of your body to bounce back from being on heroin for six years?
01:00:54.000Because it's not going to be a week, right?
01:00:55.000Is it going to be a year, a couple of years?
01:01:10.000It's like a scar that has to heal over and it has to be worked on.
01:01:15.000I mean, you have many generations that are going to remember Grandpa getting blown up when he was in a wedding party because they thought that he was with Talk to the Jews about the genocide, about the Holocaust.
01:01:26.000Talk to the Armenians about the genocide in 1914 or 18, whenever it was.
01:01:35.000Dan Carlin talks about how there's such fresh memories.
01:01:42.000Even if you say to a Chinese person that you have a point of view on sort of the benefits of Mongol expansion, even though that was 1260 or whatever it was, You'll get a lot of Chinese ire.
01:02:03.000I mean, if you've ever been to Japan, one of the things that people always talk about is how the older Japanese people do not like Americans.
01:03:00.000But I love Americans because Americans always go out of their way.
01:03:02.000All Americans go out of their way to be like, I don't care.
01:03:05.000There's this idea that all the Trump supporters are these fanatics and they're anti this and that.
01:03:10.000I guarantee, I guarantee that the majority of people in all the states, the red states, Would give any Syrian or Arabic guys, Americans, I guarantee the credo would be, hey, they're human beings.
01:03:32.000Well, there's definitely a lot of people like that.
01:03:34.000There are a lot of people like that, but on an individual basis, I guarantee most people are intelligent enough to go, I'll take them as it comes.
01:04:15.000For example, I think most of them, if somebody was Arabic and they had an opportunity to alleviate their suffering by bringing them into their house and giving them a meal.
01:04:23.000I think you watched too many Bruce Willis movies in the 90s.
01:04:50.000Well, and to an extent, that's not misplaced.
01:04:55.000So when I hear of a bomb going off or a guy driving a truck and running over 80 people in France, my first guess, and I'm always right, is that he's probably a young Muslim male.
01:05:25.000You're getting the news from the events that happened to seven billion people.
01:05:28.000And that's just way too many for us to make rational Discussions about it because, rationally, you shouldn't know about what the fuck is happening in France.
01:05:37.000You shouldn't know that some Muslim guy drove a truck over all these people.
01:06:53.000What I'm saying is that for that guy, he may just be clumsily trying to say hi to some of the most beautiful creature he's ever seen in his life.
01:07:07.000To him, it could be this one thing, but to her, look, if you're really into raping girls, and it makes you feel awesome, and you don't want them to feel like it's rape, but it is.
01:07:16.000No, no, no, 100% that they're always there.
01:07:18.000I'm not equating those two, but I'm just saying that...
01:07:39.000A lot of men, it's going to sound crazy, a lot of men own guns, like me, because it's the most effective way to protect my family in case somebody comes in my house in the middle of the night.
01:07:49.000That's actually something I think about.
01:11:52.000Yeah, because Mixed Mental Arts is better, and we've been having these great conversations, and Hunter was like, let's stop being so myopic.
01:11:58.000Let's just get all the ideas under one umbrella.
01:13:00.000There's also this thing that we all do, and that you and I have worked very hard to stop doing over the last decade or so, which is to try to win conversations.
01:13:08.000Because it's a fucking horrible impediment to learning anything.
01:13:14.000The best way to have a conversation is, I mean, challenge ideas for sure, but...
01:13:42.000And if you start to break down those walls, they're afraid you're going to take away that feeling of security or whatever that feeling is, right?
01:13:49.000And the confidence in being consistently right.
01:13:53.000So when someone's not right about something, like I have a good friend who's an animal rights activist guy, a vegan guy, and we were talking about the precursors for hormone development and whether or not Saturated fat and cholesterol are the essential precursors to hormone development.
01:14:14.000Well, it's pretty much established fact, like scientific fact.
01:14:18.000And he didn't think it was, because he was reading a lot of this ideological dogma on it, you know, plant-based dogma.
01:14:26.000So I started sending him all the stuff.
01:14:43.000This is the actual problem with the China study.
01:14:46.000This is the actual problem with not getting enough B12. This is the actual problem with not getting enough of this vitamin, that data.
01:14:52.000Saturated fat, cholesterol, all these fucking things that we were told as kids are bad for you, which is a huge problem because most people don't learn anything I mean, that's pretty much it.
01:15:05.000Well, one of the biggest things for me is just having been around Hunter as much as I have, and we always talk about how, and I've had to confront so much of this in my own ways, I have a fast-thinking brain.
01:15:16.000That fast-thinking brain that jumps at, that triggers at things.
01:15:19.000If you start talking about liberalism, if you start talking about big government, if you start talking about communism, Marxism, I'll get ready to defend my free market.
01:16:01.000And so I've had to, and we always talk about this, like Hunter will send me articles that'll get me enraged.
01:16:07.000And I'll freak out and I'll write this thing and he'll get me and he'll go, feel better, Brian?
01:16:12.000Now do you want to tranquilize that big, fast-thinking elephant that you've been riding?
01:16:16.000And let's get some slow thinking involved and take a look at how your feelings are driving your thinking.
01:16:22.000It's a very fun exercise because as you get older, what happens is you're able to sit back and somebody says something and you're able to go, instead of me loading my guns, let me listen a little bit hard.
01:16:33.000Let me see if I can get, take something from that.
01:16:39.000I don't have to be a Marxist, but maybe there is some value to regulation.
01:16:45.000Maybe there is some value to the FDA or whatever it might be.
01:16:51.000So you have free market sort of prejudices in that regard, where you lean towards deregulation, lean towards a freer market because more money gets made.
01:17:35.000Well, there was actually market farming.
01:17:36.000Market farming is what did in most of the animals in this country.
01:17:39.000After the war, one of the things that happened was there was a lot of soldiers after the Civil War that needed jobs, and one of the jobs that was available was market farming.
01:17:51.000It means they didn't have refrigerators back then, buddy.
01:17:53.000So if you wanted meat, you had to go out and get it.
01:17:56.000And so one of the things they would do is they would hire these young men to take their rifles and go out and shoot every fucking buffalo that moved.
01:18:04.000They would shoot buffaloes just for their tongues.
01:18:07.000They would cut out the tongues of the buffaloes.
01:18:09.000They would shoot other ones just for their pelts.
01:18:11.000They'd shot down everything in sight down to antelope.
01:18:15.000It was harder to shoot antelope and kill them off because they're designed to have things like cheetahs chasing them.
01:18:23.000Yeah, smaller, they keep a long distance.
01:18:25.000Well, they're way faster than anything that can catch them because they evolved during a time where cheetahs lived in North America.
01:18:33.000Big cats lived in North America that were bigger than lions and African lions.
01:18:37.000So when you're thinking about these times and these people that wiped out all the animals in this country, there was a host of factors, a bunch of different pressures on these animals.
01:20:53.000We've got to figure out a spot where we can go, where we have a reasonable chance of success because you always want the possibility rather of failing.
01:21:08.000And when he does it is the best way, honestly.
01:21:10.000I've hunted a bunch of different ways.
01:21:12.000The most satisfying way and the way that feels the best to me is public land.
01:21:16.000Because you get a tag, you get an over-the-counter tag, you go on public land, you hunt an animal, you kill it, you eat it, everybody sits down over the fire.
01:21:29.000You know, he really has a lot of the aspects of life worked out as far as being a sportsman in the 21st century and being a spokesperson for it.
01:23:48.000Okay, so I will shoot like if I need meat and I'm running low on meat I'll hunt an animal with a rifle.
01:23:54.000Okay, but what I'm really into man is archery I love archery even if I never bow hunted again and even if I just hunted with a rifle because it was too hard to bow hunt which it's not and I will bow hunt again for sure and Right.
01:24:06.000But archery is, to me, it's like a meditation.
01:24:10.000Archery is a martial art in a lot of ways, but it's a stillness martial art.
01:24:15.000It's a martial art where you're perfecting one move, this one move of having your arm out in front of you, your hand is like in a halt position.
01:24:25.000And then the bow doesn't pass over the lifeline.
01:24:29.000You want it on this side of the lifeline.
01:24:31.000So it never goes deep in your grip, so you're not torquing your wrist.
01:24:34.000So it's basically just balanced up against your hand.
01:24:37.000And then you're pulling back, and you're locking in your anchor point, and you're looking through your peep sight, and all you're concentrating on is pulling back your scapula and releasing that arrow without moving at all.
01:25:28.000Well then you gotta learn from Dudley.
01:25:30.000Because John Dudley, he's got a podcast that if you want to super geek out about archery, it's a podcast called Knock On.
01:25:37.000And the Knock On podcast is John's podcast where he discusses like Intricate details about cam timing and arrow weights and front of center, like how much kinetic energy each arrow has based on what percentage of weight is in the front of the arrow.
01:26:24.000What archery really is is a rabbit hole.
01:26:28.000Some people go down that rabbit hole and they go, fuck this rabbit hole, and they get an old school recurve bow and just learn instinctive shooting.
01:26:34.000And they just get into just releasing the arrow on their own and knowing.
01:26:40.000If you throw a rock, you know what your arm feels like.
01:26:42.000You kind of know where that rock's going to go.
01:26:43.000And then you get pretty accurate about throwing rocks.
01:26:45.000But if you want to get really accurate, you've got to throw rocks every day.
01:26:48.000And that's the same thing with recurve bows.
01:26:50.000If you have the exact same weight arrow, so if you have a stack of these arrows and you shoot, you know that if you bend it this way and you pull it back to here, it goes that far.
01:27:19.000Whereas, like, if you watch, like, John Dudley puts out some videos of some of the hunts he's on, they're all getting shot through the heart.
01:27:25.000I'm like, 99% of the animals, like, they don't even know what happened and then they're dead.
01:27:29.000It's interesting, though, like, I was thinking about this because I've been obsessing over boxing, you know, lately, and I like, the reason I like to spar is I don't get, you know, I'm not knocking my head off and stuff.
01:27:38.000And like, Brendan's always like, don't spar and stuff.
01:27:40.000But for me, what I really love is the same thing I loved about Taekwondo, which is that with boxing, it seems so impossible when you first started and then like two years, two and a half years later, if you're actually sparring and moving around with people, you'll start developing patterns if you have a good teacher.
01:27:55.000And you'll start to learn how to get somebody to think one thing, right?
01:27:58.000So you jab, and you jab low, then you fake Joe, and maybe fly into a hook or whatever, and you learn how to protect yourself.
01:28:04.000And you can start developing your own sort of similar patterns that aren't...
01:28:09.000It's a different discipline than archery because archery seems so kinetic and detailed, right?
01:28:46.000I think what I really get off on sometimes is the discovery.
01:28:50.000Is the learning maybe how to control something that seems so out of control and sort of the discovery, the continual discovery of new things and maybe what it does to my brain.
01:29:05.000The mindset it puts me in, and the understanding it gives me, and maybe even the fact that it takes away some of the mystery I was living under, which I felt was a little- Right, right.
01:29:26.000And now I'm not as intimidated by anything.
01:29:29.000If I meet somebody who's quote unquote really smart and good at one thing, Whether it's a surgeon or a brain surgeon or a scientist or a really good fighter.
01:29:37.000Well, a really good fighter, I've talked to Joe Schilling about this and to Donald Cerrone about this.
01:29:41.000You know, I was talking about patterns.
01:31:25.000And I prefer to be around, not always, not always, because I got some real moron friends that are so much fun, but I typically tend to find more intimacy in In conversation with people that have at least continued to endeavor down the road to mastery.
01:31:41.000Well, there's very few people that can talk to them.
01:31:44.000If you're going to talk to a real master about something, pull someone aside and talk to them about their craft, about achieving an incredibly high level at a very difficult discipline, like a master chess player, for instance.
01:31:54.000How many people do they have to talk to?
01:31:56.000Say if Gary Kasparov is at a restaurant and somebody wants to have a conversation with him about food stamps or fucking...
01:36:38.000I think in this time, though, he was 54. I think he went up to 54. That was because Roberto Duran had beaten Davey Moore, and I think that was at 54. Was it at 60?
01:36:48.000Because Roberto followed all the way up to Hagler.
01:38:42.000So the question is, like, whether or not he'll ever be able to get one of those bombs off.
01:38:46.000Well, if you watched him with Amir Khan, he'd fake low, he'd jab low, jab low, and come over to the right, jab low, and it didn't work, like, eight times.
01:38:55.000And then finally, jab low, boom, and just came to the top and just knocked him out.
01:39:00.000I think that's one of his main go-to I don't know.
01:43:32.000Look, if I'm doing 90-pound clean-press squats where I'm holding 90 pounds over my head, I could probably do 10 of those, but I only do four, maybe five.
01:44:03.000I think, and this is what Pavel says, and this is what a lot of people like, there's a company called Strong First, what they recommend.
01:44:12.000There's a few people at the front of the line when it comes to what you would call functional fitness and functional strength.
01:44:20.000And they think that, what Pavel calls greasing the groove, which means do it more often But do it not to failure.
01:44:30.000So instead of having one workout every three days where you blow your body out, have one workout every day, and you don't blow your body out, and you'll get stronger quicker.
01:47:09.000And I'm such a bitch that those two little taps got me so on edge that I threw my, instead of sprawling naturally, I threw my body backwards.
01:47:19.000Like the way you would do, like when a girl sees a rock star, she goes, like the stereotypical, like in the movies in the 50s.
01:47:26.000I throw my body back and I hit my forearm so hard on the fucking door jam.
01:47:31.000And I gave myself a deep, Deep forearm bruise that I had to perform through.
01:48:08.000If it got ugly, if Rose McGowan tried to kick your ass, if you were on a beach and you were competing for coconuts and she was deciding that you didn't deserve a coconut.
01:52:07.000No, and I've always wanted to a little bit, and then I always come back to my set point, which is, you gotta be a man of substance and all that.
01:54:51.000This is another toy, along with my car and my boat.
01:54:54.000But it's all self-affirmation, and it's all, at the end of the day, a manifestation of probably some shit you haven't worked out, which is still a feeling of insecurity, still a hole you can't fill.
01:55:07.000Or you're a fat savage with a martini in your hand, a giant hard dick, and you've paid 30 Russian hookers to hang out with you for a month, because your doctor found a blemish on your tumor.
01:57:05.000And you fuck their mouths where they're lying on their stomach so that the shoes are up in the air so they can see the bottom of their shoes while you're nutting their mouth.
01:57:51.000I want to leave behind a very, a shredded corpse.
01:57:54.000I want people to go, that's a good-looking 90-year-old right there.
01:57:58.000What if there's so much Viagra in the body, the shark gets a boner, and the shark is just running through the ocean with a raging hard-on, flying through the air.
01:58:07.000You know how sharks fly through the air?
01:58:56.000Because the Loch Ness at one point in history was connected to the ocean and they think that that might have been the animal that was in there?
01:59:01.000That's interesting because it would live 500 years, although they live in very cold water.
01:59:06.000Whoa, look at the size of that fucking thing.
01:59:08.000Yeah, now that'll live 500 years apparently.
01:59:11.000400-year-old Greenland shark is the oldest vertebrate animal alive.
01:59:54.000That's the only tribe I know, so I say Yanomamo.
01:59:57.000Isn't that the tribe that Rinello went hunting with in Bolivia?
02:00:01.000I know that they're the tribe that when they came back, the anthropologists in the 70s, and found that the ones that killed the most men in battle were the ones that sired the most children.
02:00:11.000And when they came back in the 70s and told the academic world that, that aggression was inherent and that it was rewarded by females, ooh, you should have seen the politically correct, you should have seen what happened in the 70s.
02:00:24.000And that is rearing its head again today, the idea of aggression.
02:00:29.000So they rejected it in primitive people?
02:00:32.000Not only that, they attacked, there's a Steven Pinker's book, The Blank Slate, they attacked the scientists, the anthropologists that came back, they attacked them personally over it, tried to ruin their reputations.
02:01:08.000Go back up to where I was reading what it was saying there.
02:01:11.000The tribe has moved a number of times since that sighting.
02:01:15.000Scout expert in the region's indigenous groups, Morels, was on last Sunday's flight as well as previous missions in 2008 and 2010 that also yielded extraordinary images.
02:01:27.000These groups change location every four years or so.
02:01:31.000They move around, but it's the same group.
02:02:25.000So that looks like a modern knife to me now that I'm looking at it deeper, because if you look below where he's holding onto it, there's a wooden handle lower than that.
02:04:02.000The real way to study them would be have a drone that they didn't know was a drone, fly it in there, and perch it on a tree, and watch, and get as much data as you can.
02:05:02.000But even if you can get food there, like they said, they planted bananas, they planted all this corn, they knew where the food was, there's plenty.
02:05:09.000I'm sure there's a ton of living shit out there that you can eat, right?
02:05:12.000So even if you can hunt and gather all the food you need every single day of the week.
02:05:17.000Would you be happy with never performing stand-up again?
02:05:20.000Would you be happy never watching Netflix again?
02:05:22.000Would you be happy with no cell phone?
02:05:24.000Would you be happy with no air flights?
02:06:50.000That's human beings in the raw who haven't come into contact with other ideas and other cultures and other people, and so they stayed that way.
02:07:22.000The only thing that's different is shelter.
02:07:23.000They've developed shelter, which is totally unnecessary for a dolphin or a killer whale.
02:07:27.000So other than that, you know, with all the things, all the metrics that we use to describe civilization, I mean, they have some tools, so what?
02:07:42.000But to us looking at that, I mean, you're looking at an incredibly primitive form of human life in terms of, like, what we think of as important.
02:07:50.000Like, how much of a difference is that than orcas or killer whales?
02:07:54.000Yeah, you mean you're talking about that example.
02:07:56.000Yeah, that hasn't come into contact, hasn't had the benefit of sort of sharing ideas, ideas having sex, as Hunter says.
02:09:10.000You'd be like, wait a minute, those fucking guys are really strong and they never sucked anything.
02:09:13.000They must ingest the semen of their elders daily from the age of seven until they turn 17 to achieve adult male status and to properly mature and grow strong.
02:09:23.000I read that it was a little older than seven, actually.
02:10:49.000Homicide is, I think, the leading cause of death among hunter-gatherer tribes in Papua New Guinea because they just get in these fights with each other and they kill each other.
02:10:56.000And because you want to get back at that dude that made you suck his dick when you were seven.
02:11:39.000Whenever you consider Socrates, one of the things you have to consider is that Socrates was a pedophile.
02:11:44.000He apparently was married and didn't partake, but certainly Aristotle and Plato and his students and his contemporaries would talk about how we have nice boys.
02:13:13.000The Greek government said, you know, listen, hey, we're condemning you to death, i.e., we're looking the other way, get the fuck out of town.
02:13:21.000And Socrates said, no, sorry, because that would be admitting fault.
02:13:26.000If you guys want to sin against philosophy, kill me.
02:13:29.000But I'm not going to renounce what I said, and I'm not going to say sorry, and I'm not going to leave because I've lived under these rules and these laws forever.
02:13:38.000And if that's the law of the land, then I will take my punishment.
02:13:41.000But you guys are wrong, but just know this is on you, not on me.
02:14:02.000I've been living under Greek love for a long time.
02:14:04.000Have you ever contemplated, like, what it would be like, I mean, I assume that this is gonna be available in some sort of a simulated form in virtual reality within, you know, our lives, to be able to go and experience what it would be like to be inside of Yeah.
02:14:42.000It would be so fucking enlightening if we could just for a brief moment even, even if we're just for a few minutes, try to experience what life was like back then and then try to put it into context.
02:14:55.000Well, I think the big factor would be that there was so much we didn't know.
02:15:03.000When I'm talking about the way people look at the world, if you listen to Lenny Bruce today, it's hard to listen to Lenny Bruce today, because you already know a lot of the things he's saying, and it's not really so groundbreaking anymore.
02:15:15.000But if you listen to him in a 1959 nightclub, you'd be like, holy shit, this is blowing my mind.
02:16:00.000So you died of disease that would roll through and a plague would come and then there would be a war and all this stuff would happen.
02:16:06.000So I think you'd have a more intimate relationship with death.
02:16:09.000But I think actually that when you say we do have access to more information, we know more, as in we know more about the methodology of how certain things work.
02:16:20.000We know that there's a shark that lives 500 years.
02:16:23.000I don't know if thinking people back then...
02:16:28.000Knew less in terms of what it was to be essentially human and the responsibility of a human being.
02:16:36.000So, in other words, if you really get down to brass tacks at the end of the day, you're left with yourself, you're left with the things you can conquer You're left with the things you can put into context about yourself.
02:16:48.000You're left with how much self-knowledge at the end of the day.
02:16:51.000When you die, how well did you get to know yourself?
02:16:53.000One of the big values of putting yourself in risky situations or putting yourself into situations where you need to learn something that takes a lot out of you is you learn about yourself.
02:17:03.000And I think the Greeks knew that and wrote about that as well as anybody ever.
02:17:08.000And I think that they understood, like you read Seneca, you read Socrates, and though they didn't have the technological advantages we did, they didn't have the ability to get as close to the rest of the world as we did, they had deep, deep concepts and wrestled with The big ideas and questions that have never left us,
02:17:39.000Am I really just my appetites or am I more than that?
02:17:43.000And if my dignity and my morality and ethics are compromised, Would I have the courage to stand there and say, I'm going to stay in Greece and not leave?
02:17:54.000Those big human questions are as relevant today as they were then.
02:17:58.000And if you really get down to what it means to be a human being, and if you get down to knowledge, maybe we don't know more than they do.
02:18:07.000Well, first of all, there's a huge problem with the word we.
02:18:53.000There's a lot of putting the pieces together and You know, that's one of the things that history professors will do when they're teaching a class.
02:19:00.000They'll paint a picture of what they believe it was like back then based on the facts that they can definitely cling to.
02:19:08.000But as far as experiencing it, what was it actually like?
02:19:23.000I want you guys—it was the fall of Constantinople, a city that stood for a thousand years, and walls that stood for a thousand years.
02:19:30.000And when the Turks came in with this hundred-foot gun and started blasting the walls— Jesus Christ.
02:19:38.000And then they sold most, they killed, they sacked the city, raped and killed most of the men, and then sold about 150,000 into slavery, which means they chained them up and marched them back to one of their colonies and sold them on an open market.
02:19:52.000And he said, and he said, remember, this is a city that stood for 100 years.
02:19:56.000It was when Constantinople then became Istanbul, became the center of the Ottoman Empire.
02:20:02.000He said, I want you to think for a second about what it sounded like to be inside that city or on that wall when it was coming down.
02:20:11.000When you knew that walls that had stood for a thousand years were finally giving way to this new technology, which was a giant cannon.
02:20:19.000That it took them a mile a day to drag, you know, and they did it for a hundred miles or something crazy.
02:20:24.000He said, I want you to think these Ottomans are outside.
02:20:27.000These dudes are going to take no mercy and they are going to do what they want and when.
02:20:33.000And I want you to think, what did it smell like?
02:20:39.000And what was really going on is you were waiting in your house and they came through the walls.
02:20:44.000And for the first time in a thousand years, your city and everything you knew was going to be burned, raped, killed, sold into slavery and changed.
02:21:00.000That's a fascinating way to teach history because it brings it down to a visceral level where you go, these motherfuckers lived through that.
02:21:07.000So I think that, the existential possibility that you and everybody you know, like Amos Oz, the Israeli writer, his mother killed herself.
02:21:16.000And he said, my mother killed herself because in Ukraine, when she was from Kiev, I think, In one day, 25,000 Jews were killed by the Nazis in one day.
02:21:26.000He said, in her town, everybody she knew and everybody that knew those people and everything she came from for generations, seven generations, wiped away, all killed.
02:21:38.000And now she's in sun-baked We're good to go.
02:22:12.000What does that say about not only your very existence, but the gods you've been sacrificing?
02:22:17.000You're covering a lot of territory here, Brian Callan.
02:22:19.000You just went through three entire different cultures.
02:22:22.000You asked me what it's like to be an ancient person.
02:22:25.000The fact that you could lose everything.
02:22:27.000I was gonna get to something, but my point was, imagine that there's gonna be a civilization one day that looks back on the primitive nature of us today.
02:22:35.000With the same sort of like bizarre reflection that we look back at Socrates or we look back on the people that were on the Mayflower.
02:22:44.000It's just hard to imagine as we're all trying to expand our consciousness and grow as a civilization and we would hope that with every new president we have like a better way of doing things and our government tightens up and our laws get better.
02:22:58.000That's one of the things that people are so terrified about with this new administration that everyone feels like it's slipping backwards.
02:23:05.000But one day, you know, the give and take, the flow, the ebb and flow of information 500 years from now, when they look back the way we look at, you know, the attack of the Mongols on Jin China.
02:23:20.000You look back at the destruction that took place just a few hundred years ago and the kind of civilization that existed back then, and what would it be like to be in the felt tents of the Mongols as they were camped outside of the gates of this city that they were going to hurl flaming bodies with catapults at.
02:23:36.000They would set their roofs on fire with flaming human beings.
02:23:42.000So they would light people on fire, douse them in kerosene, light them on fire, and then launch them through the fucking air, and they would land on buildings and light them on fire from the outside.
02:25:29.000Knowing why things make you feel a certain way, why they could feel totally different in a different day.
02:25:36.000Are you going into things neutral or are you going into things loaded up already with emotions and with negativity and then you immediately react from this loaded up position instead of from a neutral position where you can analyze it and decide that nothing truly has any meaning other than the meaning that you give it?
02:25:53.000That's the book Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman.
02:26:06.000Getting to know how your body, how your fast-thinking brain reacts and learning that sort of getting a handle on your mechanisms and how even the way you hold your body.
02:26:17.000So if you're smiling, you're going to think something's actually funnier than if you're frowning.
02:26:22.000They had people hold a pencil in their teeth sideways like that.
02:26:25.000And when they saw a joke, they thought it was funnier than if they were holding a pencil like this with a point out and they were in a frown.
02:26:33.000Or when they were told to take a test and come up with sentences out of the words gray and wrinkled and sunshine and bald, they moved to the next test slower because those words made them think of old people.
02:26:48.000So the language you use, how you hold your body, all those things affect how you are going to interact with data and stimulus that you're presented with.
02:27:00.000So the state that you are in is going to influence how you react to something.
02:27:06.000I think we all are aware of that though, right?
02:28:05.000If you want to look at the experiences of seven billion people, you can find a lot of horrific shit.
02:28:10.000But if you want to look at the experience of one person, you, Brian Callen, your interactions are almost entirely positive.
02:28:16.000Your day is almost entirely filled with laughter and friendship and fun and joking around and getting on stage and performing and doing podcasts and being with your family and having a wonderful time.
02:28:29.000So you can have a distorted view of the world by being too aware of the whole world.
02:28:35.000And then people will tell you, well, hey, man, you can't live your life in a fucking bubble, man.
02:29:16.000To be good at anything, you have to create a bubble, I would argue.
02:29:19.000Because if I want to write stand-up and I'm walking down and I start thinking about the drug cartels in Mexico and how they kill innocent people or whatever it might be, I'm going to get ramped up and I'm going to go, what would I do in that situation?
02:29:42.000And that's one of the reasons why I refuse to go down all these goddamn conspiracy holes that everybody wants you to go down and read this and read that.
02:30:27.000Do you want to find out all the different potential gender roles that people play and gender identities that people cling to and all the different types of sexuality that exists and perversion and how many people jerk off on feet?
02:31:47.000I think if we find someone who's truly, absolutely, 100% ethical and objective, and also someone who's not just going to go after fantastic stories because they make big ratings, but someone who goes after stories that are actually important because they're significant events and issues,