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00:00:38.000We were talking comedy one time, and I forget what he was talking about with Richard Pryor on the phone, but he was a little like, oh, you don't know Richard.
00:00:49.000Yeah, he was trying to pretend that you didn't know Richard Pryor, and you're like, maybe one of the biggest Richard Pryor fans of all time.
00:01:15.000Colin has a brilliant joke about how people, if you learn something from a movie, people are embarrassed to go, I learned that from TV or I learned it from a movie, so they try to act like they read it.
00:03:03.000It's a book called American Serengeti.
00:03:07.000It's about what the wildlife used to be on the American plains, like, before, in the Pleistocene era, I guess, you know, before the Ice Age.
00:03:19.000I understood none of those words, except for, like, the American, you said the first part I got, and the rest of it I've never heard of.
00:03:24.000Well, there's this guy that I'm having on the pod, he was supposed to be here last month, we had to reschedule it to next month, but he's a wildlife historian, or a biological historian, I guess he would be.
00:03:33.000I'm not sure which one he would be, but his name is Dan Flores, and he wrote this amazing book about coyotes, about the history of the coyote, and he wrote another book about the history of extinct wildlife in the American Southwest, or the American West.
00:03:48.000And at one point in time, we had all sorts of crazy shit.
00:05:06.000They're not just really smart, but they can remember individual elephants from decades ago.
00:05:12.000They could be separated from their family and not see their family for 20 years, and then they reintroduce them, and when you see the two of them get together again, it's fucking heartbreaking.
00:05:20.000Because you think about the elephants that are in zoos and the elephants that are in the circus.
00:05:25.000You're like, whoa, what are these things?
00:06:13.000They headbutt each other and they occasionally catch one slipping and they broadside them and go right through the fucking lungs.
00:06:18.000But a lot of times they'll just kind of back off, like, alright, he's got bigger antlers, and he's smashing me a little bit, and I'll fucking...
00:06:24.000It's fun to watch one male animal back off another animal.
00:07:37.000Connection to these ancient animals that needed to do that in order to make sure that the women were attracted to the strong genes to stay alive, even though it's not nearly as important anymore.
00:07:47.000It's weird in the gym, too, because I dress like shit.
00:07:49.000Obviously, I can't wear a tank top, and I'd look silly.
00:07:52.000So I wear sweatpants and an old rotten hoodie.
00:07:55.000I really look like a bum in the gym, because I know that I can't compete, so I'm almost going totally the opposite way.
00:08:00.000People wonder what kind of shape I might be in.
00:08:03.000But I know I can't compete on a level of looking good in a gym.
00:08:53.000I wrote a bit about her in one of my, in back on Please Be Offended, I did a bit about following a girl up the steps and looking at her vag in the back of her pants because it was so nice.
00:12:13.000Well, the only way I could do it is if it was just, like, I guess it would have to be one of those things like you were talking about with your friend, where you were friends with him for a long time.
00:12:22.000You were friends with her for a year, and then you were both looking for somebody, and you're like, hey, you know, we'll fucking This actually kind of works.
00:13:11.000Thinking about putting that pillow over your face.
00:13:13.000I've had a couple where I just, I literally, I'm not kidding, I couldn't sleep, because it was just like, I didn't know the person well enough, and I didn't want to have sex, because that just takes it to another level.
00:16:50.000But I've had that where I think that...
00:16:52.000Sometimes like you know how guys will lie to fuck women will say like yeah, I love you when we don't They'll lie and they'll go.
00:16:57.000I just want sex, but they really want love after it And if I sense that someone is doing that I still feel like I'm a liar if I pretend I don't know what she's doing So I won't do it.
00:17:49.000That's also, like, as you get older, you realize, like, any kind of confrontation, any kind of negative feeling, that stuff ruins your day, clings to you for however long you choose to hang on to it, and any sort of negative interaction that you have with another person.
00:18:27.000The insulting thing, and the mean thing, and the negative feelings thing, and any kind of weird confrontation that you have with human beings, where one person walks away from it feeling terrible.
00:18:45.000My problem is I have ego like everybody else, so when someone says something shitty, like as comedians, you just respond because you're used to doing it in a live room.
00:18:53.000But after a while, I'm like, what is the satisfaction?
00:18:55.000Like you said, even if you win, who gives a fuck?
00:19:25.000And when you get in any sort of a negative situation with someone, just as simple as a girl pretending she just wants sex, but she really wants love, and then when she's leaving, she feels bummed out, and then you feel bummed out, and then you get a text from her, like, was that all that it was to you?
00:19:42.000Oh fucking Christ, you know that all those negative things man as you get older you realize You've sort of date a chunk you sort of add up all the ones that you've had in your life you go up I know what this is.
00:19:55.000Let's just be friends I don't want a lot of times if someone comes over like I might fuck around with them a little bit But I don't want to put my dick in someone until I've hung with them at least once or twice So they this way if we fool around a little bit and they walk away and they don't feel good like well We didn't fuck like I don't worry buddy.
00:20:10.000I just don't want to be somebody's mistake.
00:22:15.000If she meets me not knowing anything and Googles and then reads what she can read and goes, oh, wow, this guy's even better than I thought, she's phenomenal.
00:22:22.000But that's very, very rare that that happens.
00:22:38.000It's a very narrowed corridor of people, but the ones who do really show up with their gear packed.
00:22:49.000Well, when you say, like, a narrow corridor of people, though, I mean, I kind of feel like that's the same way with everybody, really, like, when it comes down to, like, who's attracted to you and likes you, generally it is kind of a narrow corridor of people, but most of the time you don't find that corridor,
00:23:09.000You know, like, some regular guy, like, what are the odds that she's gonna know his sexual proclivities and all the weird shit he's into, and, you know, how open he's been about his relationships on the radio?
00:26:37.000And is it that they're so sensitive, or is it that they're super ready to jump down other people's throats because they sense that this is a very hostile environment, and when you tell jokes, people are what...
00:27:10.000We got a real problem today, that people are jumping down people's throats for jokes, and they're doing it because they sense that there's soft targets, that there's gonna be a pile-on, and they sense the pile-on, they go, oh, this guy made a joke about women.
00:31:33.000He did that on purpose because he knew it was gonna be clickbait, it was gonna get people to go to that article, and it was gonna get people more excited about it without even reading it.
00:32:08.000People fight so they don't feel ashamed and have to back off.
00:32:11.000Shame is a fucking amazingly powerful thing.
00:32:14.000The reason guys shoot or go on a shooting spree at work is because they've been shamed because they've been fired or because their wife is asleep with somebody else and there's shame in it.
00:32:24.000Well, shame is a new thing that people are going after.
00:32:28.000You know, like fat shaming and slut shaming.
00:32:32.000These are like completely new ideas in American culture.
00:32:36.000There was no slut shaming when we were kids.
00:32:38.000You never even fucking heard of it as a concept.
00:32:41.000Yeah, you call a girl a slut and that was it.
00:32:43.000They're saying like, well, girls should be able to be sluts too and they shouldn't be shamed or fat people.
00:32:47.000Hey look, I don't care if you're fucking fat, but if you're sitting next to me and you're taking up more space than you should on a plane, I do have a problem with it because you're making a decision that's fucking me up.
00:34:33.000I never heard about it until last night.
00:34:34.000Somebody tweeted to me that thing, and then he tweeted that at me, that, did you know that it was racist to, you know, to make a joke about women?
00:36:13.000It was like, okay, but I'm like, I could do this better, but I'm not just saying something cheesy and, you know, cheesy and fucking, you know, donk over the head.
00:36:22.000Sometimes when I'm doing a bit, like, about something that's real current events like that, like, I am on stage literally searching for the words as I'm saying them.
00:36:58.000Like, there are some remember ones that you could pull out.
00:37:01.000But, you know, it all, like, I feel like every bit or every idea, not even necessarily just with jokes, but any subject they could talk about, like, these subjects have energy to them.
00:37:14.000And when a subject doesn't have the energy to it, it just doesn't.
00:37:17.000And you could try to juice it up and jazz it up.
00:37:34.000Like last night, yesterday we were doing a podcast, and we got to the subject of Brexit and leaving Britain, and I could feel the energy in the podcast drain, because I didn't really give a fuck about the subject anymore, and it's kind of a tired subject, and it's just been beaten down so many times.
00:37:49.000It just seemed like there was no energy in it.
00:37:59.000Ideas have, but we were talking about artificial intelligence, the potential of artificial intelligence taking over the human race, and that one charges me up, and that one gives me like, oh, this subject has energy to it.
00:39:16.000I didn't know you liked that B.M. No, I am.
00:39:17.000And I was talking to this woman who was explaining to me how women watching porn gives him a fucked up self-image because a lot of those women have labia surgery.
00:43:35.000I couldn't see far away, but now it's the reading.
00:43:38.000It's just farther and farther away, so I just got the reading glasses.
00:43:42.000I have a friend who's an ophthalmologist, and he said that's just one of the things that happens as you get older.
00:43:46.000Your eyes just don't focus the same way as they used to.
00:43:49.000I had a doctor tell me you're supposed to live, my ENT, the guy who did my sinus surgery, he goes, yeah, the human body is designed to live 40-something years, and everything else is just science and medicine, so we break down, and that's what happens.
00:43:59.000That's why your eyes go, that's why cancers happen.
00:44:01.000He was just saying that these are all part of just natural, when you're born, you're not designed to live.
00:45:00.000And when I fall into feeling bad, I know it's just because I'm addicted to feeling bad and it's bullshit.
00:45:04.000Well, we have such a fucking great job.
00:45:06.000When you talk to a person who has a regular job, and they, you know, complain about their job, and then you think about, like, the complaints that you have with being a comic, it's like, goddammit, so minimal.
00:46:17.000You can't, if you're an accountant, you can't walk in as an accountant and go, oh my God, I massaged last night and she stuck her feet in my face and they were clean but stinky.
00:46:28.000There's going to be 12 people that go, what?
00:47:59.000And I'll talk to our producer, who really is a great dude, and he's very organized and a great prep guy.
00:48:05.000But if there's something that I think, like, hey, I would like to have this better, or I would rather we should have this guest on, they're in New York, then I'll maybe ask the UFC booker, or I'll ask Craig or somebody like that if they can help.
00:48:17.000And when someone comes up, when you have an idea of a guest, you can bring it up to them and they can book it?
00:49:29.000I'll interview someone after a fight, and then someone who actually speaks the language will say that interpreter fucked up everything, like they got it all wrong.
00:50:21.000I don't know if it's because he did time in jail, but there's just something about it that just those guys are like, ugh, I've seen such a worse part of life.
00:50:50.000In the beginning of his career, he was kind of a brawler.
00:50:54.000And then somewhere around the time when he fought Roy Nelson, I noticed he's putting these combinations together and he's got crazy endurance.
00:51:00.000And then I saw an interview with him where he was talking about the strength and conditioning workouts he's doing now, and he realized, look, I've got to have a gas tank.
00:51:07.000Like, he could put it on these dudes and hit him and hurt him, then he'd run out of gas, and he realized, yes, I have a gas tank.
00:51:12.000And now that he has that gas tank, you're seeing these incredible performances.
00:51:16.000Yeah, because most guys can keep you going through a round if they know that you might run out of energy.
00:51:20.000They can at least, they can keep you away for enough time to fucking capitalize on that.
00:51:24.000Travis Brown, I was surprised that he lost that fight, because he was doing really well.
00:52:04.000Drago hurt him to the body, and he moved in for the kill, and Scott knocked him out with one punch.
00:52:10.000He came rushing in because Scott grabbed his body, and then as Drago was moving in, Scott knocked him out with one punch, and then literally fell to the ground himself in agony, holding his side.
00:52:21.000It's like one of those Rich Franklin Liddell things.
00:52:24.000Literally, if the round just ended, I think he broke his arm and he would have won the fight.
00:52:27.000You've got to look back on that and go, why didn't I just avoid that fucking...
00:52:39.000So fun to watch, but man, you would never teach a fighter that.
00:52:42.000You would never teach a guy to fight like that.
00:52:45.000You would teach a guy to fight Mighty Mouse style.
00:52:46.000You would never say, hey, fight like Chuck Liddell.
00:52:49.000I'd rather watch Chuck fight, even though, you know, you watch Mighty Mouse, like, the guy is just perfect, you know, but I just, you know, I just like watching somebody throw giant fists and fucking knock people out, because that's what I want to be.
00:52:59.000Like, if I could be a guy, in life, it's probably better off to be Mighty Mouse.
00:53:03.000He's probably a more responsible fellow.
00:55:00.000You're on a certain level in the beginning and everybody's level is different.
00:55:04.000If you came in, you were like a world-class gymnast and you were really good at wrestling in high school, you'd be at a higher level when you started.
00:55:11.000But everybody starts somewhere, you know, and you just keep getting better.
00:55:15.000I mean, Bourdain started at 58. I actually, you know, it's funny.
00:55:18.000I asked him, because I know he started, like, late.
00:55:41.000Because that crazy, impulsive thing, it also doubles up as passion.
00:55:46.000You know, like the way the guy loves food, the way the guy loves culture, the way the guy loves music, the way the guy loves anything.
00:55:53.000Man, when he and I, we did this episode of his show, A few months ago when we went pheasant hunting and we talked jiu-jitsu, like he fucking loves it so much.
00:56:02.000We were down in the dirt, like on the ground in Montana, and we're going over positions.
00:56:08.000Like I was explaining certain parts of this, like a lot of times when guys are going for the darts, you get stalled up here, but here's another option.
00:56:14.000We were going over stuff and like he was fucking soaking it in, man.
00:56:18.000You know, there's guys that like kind of like jiu-jitsu and then there's guys that I start talking to and I'm like, oh, this guy's balls deep.
00:57:10.000I mean, he was super respected as a jiu-jitsu competitor before he ever got into the UFC. And, you know, the problem, Matt, in some ways, is kind of cursed.
00:57:21.000With the fact that he has heavy hands.
00:59:07.000It's so fun that you have a different way of looking at your body.
00:59:10.000You start thinking of your body as a utensil or a tool instead of just as your body.
00:59:16.000I mean, you think of it as your body as well, but if I break something or hurt something, I go, ah, fuck, I've got to fix this thing.
00:59:22.000I don't think of it as like, oh my god, I can't do this again, because if I get more tendonitis on this elbow, then my elbow will always be in pain.
00:59:47.000He's actually part of this team that has started injecting stem cells into discs, which is this radical new procedure where they've been using stem cells to regenerate tissue for a long time.
00:59:59.000And stem cells work amazing, by the way, on tendonitis.
01:00:16.000Well, it certainly will help take away some of the pain, but it's dangerous because it masks that pain, and a lot of times guys, like, they injure themselves badly because they don't feel that pain.
01:00:31.000He just pushed through it like an animal.
01:00:33.000You know, but my point is like what they're able to do now is they can shoot these stem cells They take fetal stem cells they get from a woman's placenta after she gives birth She they take like a woman who gives birth by cesarean section.
01:00:47.000They take out the placenta They extract stem cells from this placenta and then inject them directly into injuries.
01:00:53.000You fucking heal It's it regenerates tissue regenerates meniscus regenerates all these different types of tissue can basically form anything that's injured Soft tissue, muscle, any tendons, anything that's injured, it can regenerate.
01:01:08.000Which is crazy because when you have disc degeneration, what happens is your body through poor posture, exercise, abuse, trauma, whatever, your discs get compressed.
01:01:18.000They wind up pushing on your nerves and they usually do what's called a disectomy.
01:01:23.000They come in, they cut a piece of the disc away.
01:01:25.000Usually it gets worse, and some people either have to get that disc removed, and then they either get it replaced with an artificial one, like Eddie Bravo got it replaced with an artificial one, or they will actually fuse the bone together, which is very problematic.
01:01:38.000It puts stress on the upper and the lower portion of the disc.
01:01:42.000Now what they're going to do is start injecting stem cells directly into the disc, and the disc will regenerate and pump up.
01:02:20.000But weight lifting, it seems counterintuitive, but one of the things that a lot of people have found is that even Olympic lifting, like Heavy power lifting, cleans and squats and deadlifts and things along those lines, actually helps joint pain because it strengthens up all that tissue and strengthens up all the stabilizing muscles,
01:02:40.000strengthens up all the ligaments and tendons.
01:02:42.000Yeah, I do lift, and it's not a lot, but I can't do much.
01:05:07.000No, it was like the 1700s, the first time they came up with one of those big tubes with the needle on it, and that was where the sound came from, was that giant tuba-looking thing.
01:05:19.000Yes, now people in Brooklyn are buying them because they think it makes them look really cool.
01:05:39.000When you think about human history, that people recorded music, they could only write things down until a little bit more than 150 years ago, or 150 years ago, whatever it was.
01:05:50.000It is weird when you're listening to an iPhone and you want to hear something, and you just download it while you're walking to a club.
01:08:38.000I've seen that happen with people, and you're like, ooh, man, you've got to not do that to each other.
01:08:43.000It makes me not want to get married because I've talked to so many guys who don't get their dick sucked anymore, or they don't get this or that.
01:08:49.000I'm like, not that it's got to be a fuckfest.
01:09:16.000They change based on the song they hear.
01:09:19.000They change based on the conversation they have with their girlfriend.
01:09:22.000They change based on a book they read.
01:09:24.000People fucking change, and you're in this constant stage of growing and developing.
01:09:29.000And when you commit to someone, like you say, like, this is my girlfriend, this is my husband, this is my wife, this is my companion.
01:09:35.000When you do that, There's one thing to do it and to really be all in and really enjoy that person's company and want to be with them a lot.
01:09:43.000It's another thing to involve the government.
01:10:02.000Because now there's a human life that depends on you, and all my phobias about government interaction and laws and legal paperwork, and this is coming from a guy who has several close friends whose lives have been fucking ruined by divorce.
01:10:24.000I've seen a bunch of guys like that who've been devastated by divorce.
01:10:27.000And then devastated by the fucking wife hiring the most evil, vicious lawyers to attack them and go after them and try to squeeze as much money out as possible and drag it into the dirt.
01:10:39.000Especially when a man and woman are married and the man makes all the money, the man has to pay for the woman's lawyer.
01:10:45.000And that's where things get fucking spectacularly ridiculous.
01:10:49.000Yeah, because there's no cost to her to do anything.
01:10:51.000She can file a motion after motion knowing this dummy is paying for it.
01:10:54.000Not only that, she's draining the money.
01:11:17.000And then she would hang up the phone, and then the lawyer would contact, these are the new stipulations, and he would get ready to agree to those, and then she would drag that out for a couple months, and then ramp it up again.
01:11:25.000And she was being completely unreasonable.
01:11:27.000And in a way, she's still in a relationship, too.
01:11:43.000I was getting too ramped up about divorce talk.
01:11:47.000He's crazy to think he's going to get married.
01:11:49.000When you talk to someone who's a, and I say this with all due respect, a hardcore pervert like Jim Norton, the idea is he's going to settle down.
01:12:44.000I mean, but to someone who looks at life, like if I was miserable and I looked at his life, I'd be like, God damn, that's what I want to do.
01:13:39.000But my apnea's so bad, I wake up and have to piss a lot.
01:13:41.000But I think that someone told me that's your body waking you up so you don't suffocate.
01:13:44.000Like when you're not breathing, your body's going, breathe, breathe, and you don't, and your body will send a signal, piss, and that gets you up and you go to the bathroom.
01:16:36.000I don't believe in isolation exercises.
01:16:38.000There's very little times in life where you're standing there doing this, just lifting things up with one arm.
01:16:43.000Well, there's a lot of time in life I'm doing that.
01:16:46.000A lot of times that leads to imbalances.
01:16:49.000I feel like, and as I got older, I really believe this more and more, and the more really good trainers that I talk to, the more they sort of harp on this exact same thing is that you should treat the body like a unit, like it's one large unit.
01:17:02.000And so if you're going to do something, it should involve, for the most part, with a few exceptions, it's not terrible to do some isolation exercises, But I think for the most part, it should involve most of your body or large muscle groups like a squat or a deadlift is one of the best because a deadlift involves your arms,
01:17:19.000your back, your shoulders, your legs, your calves.
01:17:22.000I mean, there's so much involved in a deadlift.
01:17:24.000It's one of the reasons why it's such a great exercise.
01:17:29.000And I think for arms, like chin-ups and rows and things along those lines, when you're doing that, like you're involving so much of your body, like one-armed rows, it's your back, it's your core, it's your arms, it's your shoulders.
01:17:42.000There's a lot going on there, whereas a curl is kind of just your bicep and your forearm.
01:17:46.000You know, it's like really mostly what's going on there.
01:20:52.000And being connected to social media and having...
01:20:56.000It's usually one of my friends, dude, have you seen this?
01:20:58.000And they'll send me a text message and I'll click on the link and I'm like, oh, fucking Christ, it's some crazy story or some dude who got killed by a bear or something nutty.
01:23:45.000They're like, oh, someday you're going to pick up that phone in the kitchen and you're going to be able to see the person you're talking to.
01:24:17.000It goes back to, I remember when I was a kid, I had fucked up.
01:24:20.000I don't know what I did, but I remember my friends, these two black kids, I think they were twins, Pierre and Randall, and they wanted me to go to the store with them, and my mother wouldn't let me go.
01:24:29.000And I remember screaming and crying and being so fucking angry, and it was like I was going to miss something.
01:24:36.000The idea, like, oh, these guys I like are going to the store, fucking shit's going to happen, and I'm stuck with this bitch.
01:27:05.000If you go out ten nights trying to find the girl of your dreams, It's the odds of you finding her in one of those ten or finding a hot girl or finding a girl you're attracted to.
01:30:46.000I took something that I was gonna torture myself with, and I'm like, fuck it.
01:30:49.000It was almost like you throw your hands up and you go with it.
01:30:52.000Instead of being ashamed and feeling bad about myself because of her past, take a woman's past and just make it a dirty part of her that you like.
01:31:00.000So then I never gave a fuck again about her boyfriend.
01:31:03.000I don't care who you dated before me now.
01:31:22.000That's a rare girl that'll show you a video of another guy fucking her.
01:31:26.000Yeah, but I bugged her for it, but I kind of knew at that moment I knew at that moment that it was a make-or-break because I had done this my whole life with girls I had set up these scenarios where I was gonna lose and they were gonna be fucking I was gonna purposely put a wedge in between that wasn't necessary and I didn't want to do it with this girl because she was super sexy and funny and I just knew it was dumb so I made myself sit through it and see how I felt about it and I was able to turn it into a pornography and it was okay And when you said that you knew that you were doing
01:31:57.000it while you were doing it, like you knew you were sabotaging it while you were doing it?
01:32:00.000At times, yeah, but not until after because I got addicted to that feeling, that burning feeling in the pit of your stomach when you're feeling like you've been cheated on or you've been wrong.
01:32:09.000It was just a stupid, it was like a drug.
01:32:11.000It was like a fucking familiar feeling.
01:32:14.000So you were actually addicted to feeling disrespected and wrong.
01:32:18.000And shitty, and yeah, but not in a sexy, fun way.
01:32:20.000Like now, oh, a good dose of humiliation makes me crazy, but it turns me on.
01:33:31.000There was a girl I was dating, and she was one of the girls I met who didn't know my past or my history or the things I've joked about or talked about or said that were true.
01:33:37.000I made sure they were jokes for a while, but of course they're true.
01:33:41.000And I had to tell her a couple of things.
01:34:11.000And she said something to me like, you know, that stuff you told me about the stuff you've done with...
01:34:16.000Tran girls whatever like I had to say it because again I'm not gonna be with you for four four or five months and all of a sudden you pop it up and go I got a question Yeah, I'm not dealing with that on the way to a wedding or a fucking party Look at your dumb face cuz you don't get it.
01:34:31.000So I said fuck it I would tell her and she's like you can never Tell me stuff like that again because I have an idea of what being masculine is and I'm like okay cool and as she was talking and I felt every bit of attraction to her drain.
01:35:05.000When someone judges you or scolds you sexually, it drives me crazy.
01:35:09.000Yeah, so it wasn't just that she was saying, hey, I know that that's your past, and I know that this is something that you're into, but I'm not into that, so this is going to be a problem.
01:36:50.000It was never dehumanizing like I never Treated the girls bad.
01:36:53.000I was never you know, I mean I always made them I think it was I just felt like free like I know she's not Worried about how I do right so I could be comfortable.
01:39:03.000Well, it's also a lot of women that ride them.
01:39:05.000They're like these boxy, sort of almost androgynous flannel shirt-wearing women.
01:39:13.000They lose their feminine shape and they get thick and they just ride that horse.
01:39:21.000And I always feel like they're getting some sort of a vaginal stimulation by just the constant...
01:39:26.000There's something about the movement of the horse and their saddle rubbing up against their pussy and they're just wearing their pussy out on their Wrangler jeans.
01:39:37.000Wow, yeah, that's a good way to look at it.
01:40:33.000Well, she probably liked you for some parts of you.
01:40:36.000I mean, that's often the case with people, right?
01:40:37.000Like, you like certain aspects, but it doesn't all line up.
01:40:42.000But you like a few things, like he's got a great sense of humor, he's fearless, he's hilarious, he says funny shit all the time, he keeps me entertained, but he's fucked a few dudes in dresses.
01:40:54.000No, I would never fuck a dude in a dress.
01:42:21.000And when it comes to transgender people, and here's another thing, like, people will tell you, if you're not trans, you shouldn't be talking about trans issues.
01:45:38.000Now, when you do a show like this and you get real open about this kind of stuff, do you get a bunch of freaky chicks just start...
01:45:44.000I think because again with with with with on the radio show in the morning there's enough people who know me or It's not surprising to anybody.
01:45:52.000I don't fucking I was talking this girl on Instagram and she was uh she was trans and I was following her and she wrote me this this Private message and she's like I didn't even know who you are I had to look you up Which is weird like alright fine.
01:46:06.000I didn't say hey hey look it's me kiddo.
01:46:08.000Were they trying to shoot you down a little bit?
01:46:10.000For no reason I didn't do anything to her.
01:46:12.000Well, it's natural And then she's like, that bit you did on strap-on is very disrespectful.
01:46:17.000I'm like, first of all, it's a true story.
01:46:20.000You think I'm proud of the fact that a fucking...
01:46:23.000There's two different strap-on stories I have, and I've told them both in specials.
01:48:11.000He owns one of them and he had made some sort of distinction that the woman, I forget the specifics, but she had done something inappropriate or what he deemed inappropriate and she was getting her crown removed or something like that.
01:48:25.000So Rosie O'Donnell was mocking him and she's mocking his hair and the way he behaves and the whole deal and she went on this long rant about him on The View.
01:48:34.000And then he went on Letterman and shit all over her, and then they went back and forth and back and forth, and then I saw she made a poem because he had mocked her during the debates.
01:48:46.000One of the things that drove me crazy, because When Hillary Clinton was debating him, she said, you have said this about women, you know, that women, this woman's a pig or this woman.
01:49:40.000People get in front of the Trump Towers and fucking scream.
01:49:43.000I know, and our studio's not far from there, so when the fucking Uber driver decides to go up First Avenue, I know I'm gonna hit traffic crossing town.
01:49:49.000It's like, hey, dummy, go up the other way.
01:51:58.000Trans rights to be able to use the restroom that they identify with You know that that was a hot-button subject and there was actual government support for people to use the bathroom that they identify with and Boy,
01:52:54.000But that puts that up to law enforcement, and then you have to have more resources to make sure that these guys aren't doing that, creeping around in female bathrooms and pretending to be transgender.
01:53:48.000Like, if women are in the locker room and someone is legitimately trans, is it odd for them to see somebody walking around with a cop?
01:53:54.000Like, I could get where that would be weird and without being transphobic.
01:53:57.000It's just not something you expect to see in a ladies room.
01:53:59.000Majority of states permit the name and sex to be changed on a birth certificate, either through amending existing birth certificate or by issuing a new one.
01:54:06.000Many states, however, require medical proof of sterilization by sex reassignment surgery.
01:55:31.000When you're labeling everyone who's not 100% on board transphobic, you lose so many people who would be on your side.
01:55:36.000Well, I think like many things with human beings, people are messy.
01:55:40.000There's messy realities to all of us and I think that's that's what's going on with the whole transgender issue, too You know, I mean that's people are messy, you know It's just the whole thing is we we're weird man.
01:55:53.000We're everything about us is weird from education to marriage to Gender relations to the the roles that we choose right like there's some fucking tweet that I saw today Oh, Smashing Social Justice.
01:57:05.000I've seen a few really annoying things in the last month or so, and they're not mentioning me and I'm not following them, so I don't address it.
01:58:15.000Do you ever see the clip of, and this is where Trump was not media savvy enough, where Chris Matthews I think was painted him into a corner about abortion, so should they be punished for having, like he just did, he's a smart dude, he just did a real media savvy guy thing.
01:58:29.000That Trump, as a non-politician, didn't give a very good answer to, which was about abortion being illegal, and he logically walked him into a corner.
01:58:36.000And then Trump had to go, like, the only answer was, yeah, they put him in jail.
01:58:39.000So that's what I would do to them, but just to get them to say bad shit.
01:58:43.000Did you see that one reporter that backed him into a corner when it came to the amount of electoral votes, like how big his electoral victory was?
01:59:48.000The point was, if you want to point at all these media outlets and say they're fake news and they're giving bad information, how can we listen to you when, in fact, you're giving bad information?
02:05:17.000I mean, those guys are in agony afterwards, though, for sure.
02:05:19.000They're walking out of there in deep, deep, deep pain.
02:05:22.000But to have felt any remote, even if it's a 10%, to have felt that at all and then know that when he's doing that because he wants to fucking put you out, he's doing 100%.
02:05:33.000You should do it for your show, where you, like, decide to...
02:05:37.000Like, if you filmed it, if you filmed, like, your first day at Henzo's, and, like, do it on that, like, for a YouTube channel, and go out there and...
02:05:49.000I do more on the radio shows one now, just because we put our episodes up.
02:05:52.000This would be a good opportunity to do it, though.
02:05:55.000Have someone come and film you taking your first class and have someone, you know, put it together, make a 10-minute little video out of it and you talking about what it's like to take your first jiu-jitsu class and then commit to it and do it three times a week.
02:06:05.000Yeah, I would like to do that because a couple days I could do it right after the gym.
02:08:08.000Well, New York City seems like there would be a place where you could do jiu-jitsu in the 1 o'clock in the afternoon, or 1 o'clock in the morning, rather.
02:13:13.000I'm not good at going back and grabbing shit.
02:13:16.000Maybe that's the radio training where you're just alive or we're talking.
02:13:19.000But I had to do it in the moment and just write it.
02:13:21.000I'm good at writing then, but I'm not good at going back and going, wow, two years ago when this happened and people asked about the O.B. Anthony show, I'm like, I'm not good at going back and writing all that shit because the emotion for it has passed.
02:13:29.000Do you ever try those transcription software programs where you talk and it just records what you're saying?
02:14:09.000But there were certain things that people in the sex industry who had been victims of trafficking and stuff.
02:14:14.000I should have probably addressed that better.
02:14:16.000There is a big difference between trafficking and a woman who just decides to...
02:14:21.000Have sex with guys for money and there are a lot of those women and feminists don't want to admit those women exist Because they so for them they'll push up the trafficking numbers because it's a stronger argument against prostitution It's like right I get it the trafficker should be executed and save the people who are being trafficked But if someone makes a decision and they just want to do it Well,
02:14:41.000there's one friend of mine who's an artist and she's a feminist and she's actually pretty successful and she's actually talked pretty openly about when she was younger she would do stuff like that.
02:14:49.000Where she would fuck older rich guys for money.
02:15:17.000And it's the same group of people that are saying, you shouldn't be ashamed of sex and keep your laws off my body are the same ones that are saying, if you're getting paid for it, you should be ashamed of it and I should be able to legislate.
02:16:13.000And I know that there are certain women that do it because I've had a couple of women I dated, legitimately dated, that wound up doing stuff like that for money after that they told me about.
02:17:59.000It's a real rich, older guy who got some hot piece of ass who was younger than him by at least 30 years.
02:18:06.000And they're both getting what they want.
02:18:08.000She wants a guy who maybe talks to her nicely and isn't some young guy that's fucking, you know, acting like an asshole who can take care of her.
02:20:09.000I mean, you think of how cunty a lot of athletes are, and especially back then, with really very few repercussions for being a piece of shit.
02:20:40.000It's a funny thing, too, when you think about athletes and how competitive they have to be and how ruthless you have to be, you know, and then that sort of bleeds out into the rest of their life, you know, and it bleeds out into the way they deal with the fellow players, the way they deal with women, the way they deal with managers or anybody.
02:20:57.000I mean, athletics is a ruthless, ruthless pursuit.
02:21:45.000There was a recent article in Sports Illustrated where he was talking about doing that one-man show and how excited he gets to do it and how fun it is.
02:23:52.000We'll wrap this thing up when you come back.
02:23:56.000Find out how old George Foreman was when he won the heavyweight title.
02:24:01.000And here's the thing, I don't think they had human growth, or if they did have human growth hormone, it wasn't really being used by boxers, I don't think.
02:24:07.000They used to get human growth hormone from the pituitary glands of dead people.
02:25:16.000Why would they give him a shot at the title right away after two losses?
02:25:19.000The Morrison fight was for the vacant WBO heavyweight title, and then he won the WBA, IBF, and lineal heavyweight titles when he beat Michael Moore a year later.
02:25:28.000Oh, okay, so Morrison beat him for the WBO title.
02:26:51.000He was completely in control of that fight, and he won a clear-cut, unanimous decision.
02:26:55.000Hurt Davis a bunch of times, and it was super dangerous.
02:26:57.000Also, I feel like Rumble Johnson today is scarier than the Rumble Johnson that fought Phil Davis.
02:27:02.000But Rumble, when he fought DC the first time, when he fought Cormier the first time, he was preparing for Jon Jones, so he's preparing for a different fight.
02:27:10.000The fight was a last-minute replacement with Cormier.
02:28:55.000And this guy's going to do that again?
02:28:57.000He's going to lose that weight again after that?
02:29:00.000And apparently he said that he had the same problem in the Michael Johnson fight.
02:29:03.000In the Michael Johnson fight, he wound up getting down to 155, but he was having the same issue, where he wasn't getting blood to his liver.
02:29:35.000That's all it is, because he's not getting heavier.
02:29:37.000He's always heavy, but he would be the same weight and then dehydrate himself down to 170 and then go back up to like 190, somewhere around then, which is probably what Johnny Hendricks was instead this time.
02:29:48.000Just lost a couple of pounds, made 185 easy, and then looked fucking great against Hector Lombard.
02:29:55.000I would like to see more guys do that, because I think that's so much healthier, and the performances are better.
02:32:35.000I think it's insane to dehydrate your brain, your body, get to death's door, then 24 hours later have a cage fight.
02:32:42.000GSP said that recently, I didn't know they did that in boxing, and he was saying about in boxing a month out, you can't lose like 20% of your, whatever the percentage your body has.
02:32:49.000I never considered that, but that would probably be a good way to do it.
02:32:53.000The guy who runs the California State Athletic Commission, his name is Andy Foster, and he's probably, in my opinion, one of the very best commissioners in MMA today, in athletic commission commissioners, because he's just really proactive.
02:33:05.000I believe he's had some MMA fights himself, and he's an accomplished martial artist, and he really understands the sport.
02:33:10.000And they're taking some really proactive approaches to cutting weight cutting and making sure that people don't dehydrate themselves as much.
02:33:18.000And he was really proactive for performance enhancing drugs, catching people doing drugs before the USADA thing with the UFC came along too.
02:33:27.000So just need better regulations, more people on top of things.
02:33:31.000This is how bad I want to lose my gut.
02:33:32.000I do exercise, but I actually, I think I asked, it was either Wonderboy or his father, what the paste was that they put on, and a part of me actually considered putting the paste on and just sitting in the fucking...
02:34:14.000Oh, my fucking manager and I, what a couple of queens we look like prancing on Santa Monica Boulevard to the yogurt stop fucking three times a week.
02:34:40.000I rarely do it, but when I do it, I go hard.
02:34:42.000I'll go to Cold Stone Creamery and get a fucking giant sub with peanut butter and hot fudge and Reese's Pieces and chocolate ice cream and whipped cream on it.
02:37:18.000I think you're self-critical, which is usually what a lot of artists are.
02:37:22.000A lot of artists hate everything they do, and they're constantly trying to do the best, and it's just never good enough, and they get pissed.
02:41:10.000Like, I posed for a bunch of Netflix pictures, and I was like, ew.
02:41:14.000Well, there's one they took of me where my hand is over my mouth, but it's a screen grab from a set.
02:41:18.000I'm doing a joke where I cover my mouth, but I'm like, I don't want to use that, A, because you can't see my face, and B, Because I know it's mouthful of shame, but it seems like I'm going, oh, I said something naughty, which is not what the joke is.
02:41:29.000But it looks like I called it mouthful of shame and then went, oh, look out, folks!
02:42:16.000I go, I just didn't want to do it during that set.
02:42:18.000I didn't want any of the sets to be longer than an hour, and some of them are going to have material that's not in the other one, so I'll decide which way to do it.
02:42:39.000Like, it just gets released everywhere, so I'll go out and do gigs.
02:42:42.000Hopefully, in the next couple of months, start, you know, booking a bunch of shit.
02:42:45.000And someone can listen to this podcast right now, hang it up, close the podcast, and then go right to their TV and instantaneously watch it.
02:44:27.000And especially when you're doing so much stand-up, if you're doing stand-up six, seven nights a week, and then you're constantly doing a radio show, there's constantly new themes running through your head, you want to get that out there.
02:44:36.000And it's always there, and it's like, maybe I should do shorter videos or something.
02:45:07.000Yeah, but I'll watch you, and I see you, you got a company, you got this, you're doing this, and I'm like, motherfucker, I'm sitting on a block of ice doing nothing, or Louie's doing this.
02:45:18.000You see all your friends- You can't compare yourself.
02:45:20.000No, I know, but you feel lazy when you see your friends doing these great things.
02:45:25.000The things that I'm doing, though, I really enjoy doing those things.
02:45:46.000Well, if I was only doing stuff I want, believe me, I wish, if somehow watching Chatterbait would advance me in this business, you'd be fucking, you'd be seeing my fucking heels.
02:45:55.000I probably would if you did like live commentary on Twitch for Chatterbait.
02:45:58.000Like you had Chatterbait windows in the background and you're just sitting there like going, oh Jesus.
02:46:03.000You're not allowed to, but what I do want to do is I want to get a beautiful girl in Chatterbait and then I want to just come on as fucking Chip and sit next to her and wreck it.
02:46:13.000All these guys jerking off in fucking England and Portugal.