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00:00:45.000You know, when I was on here last time, I was at the end of a pretty big travel cycle, like doing military gigs and stuff like that, and I was pretty beat down.
00:00:54.000Two kids since I think I was on the podcast.
00:00:56.000And although that has beat me down, it's beat me down in a different way.
00:00:59.000So I've just been at home and I can train, don't travel as much.
00:01:03.000And so yeah, everything's been pretty good.
00:01:04.000I do this gymnastics bodies programming a couple of days a week, a little bit of squatting, a little bit of deadlifting, pretty on point with the food, and then just getting the dog piss beat out of me at JITS like two to four days a week.
00:01:31.000And, you know, like, I knew that Parker had some connections with, like, Bruce Lee and JKD, and I was always really interested in that.
00:01:38.000So I went down to Long Beach, California and ended up tracking down some folks at the Inesano Academy and went and sparred with a kid that had been doing Thai boxing for like six months.
00:01:47.000And he was 60 pounds lighter than I was, not particularly athletic, and he beat the crap out of me.
00:01:54.000I mean, it was just like a man fighting a boy, only I was bigger and stronger and faster and he just destroyed me.
00:02:01.000So I went back home, and I burned my brown belt, and I started studying some Thai boxing.
00:02:05.000And it wasn't long after this that I encountered Brazilian jiu-jitsu for the first time.
00:02:10.000And I had a little bit of a high school wrestling background, and I was a California state powerlifting champion, so I was a strong, athletic kid.
00:02:18.000And again, like, this guy, like, submitted me 50 times in, like, two minutes.
00:02:25.000But this was back in, like, 92. And unless you were in a major metropolitan area, you just couldn't find jiu-jitsu.
00:02:31.000So I did a couple of weeks of it then, you know, around, like, 92, 93. And I didn't have a second jiu-jitsu session until, like, 2003. And again, it was, like, a month or something because...
00:02:42.000At that point, the folks that were usually running these schools, like, they could barely keep them open.
00:02:47.000They were at, like, 9 o'clock in the back of a karate school or something.
00:02:50.000So it's only been the past couple of years that I've been able to be pretty consistent.
00:02:54.000So you just found a great gym out where you were at?
00:03:35.000Like you think Nevada, you think desert, you think barren landscape, not very pretty, or pretty in sort of like a, hey, better bring water sort of a way.
00:04:02.000It's a really weird mix because you have like Tesla and all these tech companies that have moved into town and it's really got this new vibe going on.
00:04:10.000Yeah, like the big Tesla mega plant is out there kind of east of town.
00:04:14.000So you've got this kind of technology scene.
00:04:17.000There's a whole startup row in downtown Reno.
00:04:19.000And then you have the casinos and that whole underbelly element to it.
00:04:23.000And so these two things are like literally, you know, you change corners downtown and you're in either the like...
00:04:30.000Super depressing, you know, like failed at the casino deal, or you go around the corner and there's a bunch of guys with a technology startup.
00:04:38.000Do you think the technology startups will overwhelm the shitty casinos?
00:04:43.000It's still, you know, like tech in general, and this is maybe getting off in the weeds, but there's so much stuff that's just been built on speculation and eyeballs and nothing real that I'm still curious if like tech in general is going to make it.
00:05:00.000You know, there was so much speculative money that went into that scene, and there's only a few entities like Facebook and Google and stuff that have really turned it into a money-making venture.
00:05:10.000And a lot of these technology startups, there was a lot of money going into them, but it was just kind of predicated on growth or eyeballs, but they never really had a strategy towards profitability.
00:05:20.000And so I'm just kind of curious how many of these things are really going to Yeah, I've always thought that was weird about Twitter.
00:05:38.000That Twitter has so many users and there's so much activity.
00:05:44.000There's something going on there, right?
00:05:46.000But then they have to figure out how do you generate money from that.
00:07:10.000So I've been following your Instagram feed, and you and your wife have been doing some crazy blood sugar tests after foods, post-carb meals, like beans and a bunch of other different high-carb foods.
00:07:24.000Are you on a keto diet, or what are you doing?
00:07:27.000I generally run really well keto or pretty close to it.
00:07:31.000Fueling jujitsu is a little rough with that, so I maybe do about 75 to 100 grams of carbs on harder training days, and then other days it's pretty low carb.
00:07:39.000My wife, though, is kind of like Wolverine.
00:07:43.000And this is some of the stuff that I've learned in the past couple of years, this personalized nutrition, where there's a huge variation from person to person in how they respond to carbohydrates, foods in general, but in particular carbohydrates.
00:07:55.000There was a study done at the Weizmann Institute in Israel a couple of years ago, and they basically put a continuous glucometer on folks.
00:08:03.000It's a little disc that you pop on the back of your arm.
00:08:05.000They did a full genetic screen on them, a gut microbiome test, and then they started feeding these folks different meals.
00:08:45.000So now, is there anything you can do to your gut biome to change the glucose profile?
00:08:54.000Yes, but exactly what to do is pretty complex.
00:08:57.000Like, you know, some people can have a condition called small intestinal bacterial overgrowth where the bacteria are basically growing too far north in the gut, essentially.
00:09:07.000And then whenever you eat something with carbs in it, it makes those bacteria grow in an inappropriate place and inappropriate way.
00:09:14.000And it's kind of difficult to basically starve the bacteria in the foregut and then feed the bacteria in the hindgut.
00:09:50.000We'll experience a lot of improvement from just kind of a low-carb diet, but it doesn't work for everybody.
00:09:56.000A lot of people may need some herbal interventions like garlic and different antimicrobial agents that help to knock that bacterial overgrowth back.
00:10:07.000And it's a pretty challenging process, particularly if the person is really sick.
00:10:14.000Just like reduced meal frequency seems to improve the gut microbiome and the overall gut health.
00:10:20.000So this is some of the stuff that I think is going on with intermittent fasting, where instead of eating like six or seven meals a day and just constantly kind of keeping the gut inflamed, instead doing maybe one or two meals a day, pretty broad spacing, seems to have some great benefits for folks.
00:10:36.000I've been doing that thing where you only eat for 10 hours a day.
00:11:16.000I would think that that would probably be okay.
00:11:19.000But I mean, the folks that really know a lot about it, like Rhonda Patrick, Walter Longo, they're really pretty adamant that in that fasting period, like you're doing nothing but water.
00:12:29.000Again, this is just a really individualistic thing.
00:12:33.000If somebody is a health coach or a doctor or healthcare provider and they see somebody that's struggling with something...
00:12:40.000And then they're like, okay, so how are you eating?
00:12:41.000They're like, oh, I'm kind of eating low carb.
00:12:43.000Okay, so are you doing any artificial sweeteners or, you know, what have you?
00:12:48.000And if they're doing something like this, then it could be something that is kind of kicking them out of the, you know, the insulin regulation that would work better for them.
00:12:58.000Now, what do you think about colonics?
00:13:09.000A lot of people were talking about cleaning out their intestinal tract and, you know, you just got to get water up there, flush everything out, and people would, like, literally watch the tube and go, oh, I know what you're eating, and I'm like, what?
00:13:38.000I don't know if she's on YouTube anymore, but she had this whole detailed story about a DMT trip that she did where she took DMT up her butt and Went on like some five-hour journey into the netherworld because it goes directly in your bloodstream from there,
00:13:54.000Yeah, it's that base and so you've got a non acidic deal like with your hand that base Kind of an asshole were we talking about you're making that hand signal, but I always wondered if it was good for you I'm like I just feel like you should leave that area like flood and water up there.
00:14:09.000It just doesn't seem like the smartest move.
00:14:11.000Yeah, I It seems like just skipping a meal here and there and just kind of letting it do its natural business seems like a pretty good thing.
00:14:18.000The people that I encountered that did colonics, they seemed to be on kind of a merry-go-round with it, and they also were into some other really squirrely stuff.
00:15:42.000Well, I know that people that have antibiotics, like people that are battling staph infection, have a horrendous time sort of reconstructing their gut biome.
00:15:52.000And Rhonda Patrick detailed that on one of the podcasts that we did.
00:15:55.000She had a tremendous staph infection, and it wouldn't go away.
00:16:00.000And she actually wound up, one of the things that really helped it was the topical application of garlic.
00:16:31.000If you think you've got something going on, it's probably smart to work with somebody that knows a little bit about what they're doing so that you've got a protocol, you can test it, see what the results are, and then we can make some decisions based off that.
00:16:44.000If you're already in a compromised state and then you throw something like that in, you can end up worse.
00:16:50.000Now, for people that are listening, who would someone go to?
00:16:53.000Like, say, if you really wanted to get your gut biome checked out.
00:17:03.000There's a Dr. Ruscio up in the Bay Area.
00:17:06.000Chris Kresser also has the Kresser Institute where he's certifying healthcare practitioners.
00:17:11.000These are the folks that you want to check out.
00:17:13.000Also, the Institute of Functional Medicine is a really good place.
00:17:16.000Most of the doctors and healthcare providers that go through that functional medicine training are really well versed in looking at the This whole gut microbiome story.
00:17:25.000But interestingly, they kind of pull it back and they've got this kind of evolutionary biology picture that they look at.
00:17:30.000So they're thinking about sleep and your food and stress levels, social connectivity, and they really put all that stuff together in a pretty good way.
00:17:38.000And they're not chasing symptoms or really trying to figure out root cause and then try to address that root cause and move forward.
00:17:44.000And they're pretty good at figuring out, like, you've got 18 things going on.
00:17:49.000Which is the one thing we need to address first?
00:17:52.000And then we'll knock that out and go to the next one and the next one.
00:17:55.000And now, when they start applying, say, probiotics, are all probiotics created equal in terms of foods?
00:18:02.000Not in terms of supplementation, because I know there's some really intense probiotic supplements that you can buy that you have to keep performing.
00:18:26.000And then you have other people that everything they have going on gets worse.
00:18:30.000And these are the folks that you start wondering if they have some small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
00:18:35.000Do they have some reactivity to these things called FODMAPs, which are fermentable carbohydrates that can, you know, make the gut microbiome kind of freak out.
00:18:43.000And there's another layer to this, which is called small intestinal fungal overgrowth.
00:18:48.000So there are people out there that have some sort of a persistent fungal infection, which doesn't get picked up on the general gut microbiome screening because they're looking at bacteria, not fungus.
00:18:58.000So this is a whole other layer to the story that people may have had a years-long, decades-long fungal infection in the gut that is then disordering everything, causing inflammation.
00:19:10.000And those are really, really difficult to deal with.
00:19:13.000What does one do when they have a fungal overgrowth?
00:19:15.000You can do some of the antifungals like Diflucan and again, some of the herbal preparations.
00:19:21.000But this is another layer, you know, kind of peeling the onion that there aren't that many practitioners that are even looking for that as an option.
00:19:30.000And then the treatment protocols are not super well vetted out.
00:19:33.000So there's a lot of experimentation that happens there.
00:19:36.000Do they know what is there a dietary cause?
00:19:39.000I mean, there's always an influence on the diet, but, you know, you could, you know, refined carbohydrates makes all this stuff grow better, and it disrupts the normal gut flora, it causes inflammation, but, you know, oftentimes people will go on a round of antibiotics,
00:19:56.000the bacterial population gets pushed down, and then the fungal population, which is always there, but usually it's in some sort of a symbiotic balance with the other microbes, then the The fungal infection or fungal population can increase.
00:20:10.000And this is where some people will go on a round of antibiotics and then they end up with some sort of a legitimate fungal infection, you know, like they can see it on their skin and the doctor will prescribe some antifungals for that.
00:20:22.000But you can also have this happening kind of a low-grade subacute level where it's not bad enough where they're getting rashes and hives, but it's bad enough that it's making them sick and not kind of optimized.
00:20:35.000Wow, it's just so hard to figure out what's going on with you.
00:20:38.000I mean, it seems like for the average person that has a full-time job and family and all that jazz, it's probably incredibly difficult to get to the bottom of what your health issue is.
00:20:59.000They're suffering for a long time, and it's not the easiest thing in the world to pin down because the symptoms are so variable from person to person.
00:21:07.000Now, if you go to a good doc, particularly someone, again, kind of functional medicine training, or they've got a little bit of this evolutionary biology perspective, they usually ask a set of questions and more questions so that they can kind of narrow down what's going on.
00:21:21.000But if you're Kind of doing the Doc in the Box deal and you've got five minutes with this person, like they're just trying to figure out what's the script I'm going to write so I can move this person out and get to the next person.
00:21:32.000And you're just not going to, unless you get lucky, you're not going to figure out what the issue is.
00:21:36.000Yeah, it would seem that the amount of time required to figure out what's wrong with a person would also be very expensive and likely not covered by a whole lot of health care plans.
00:22:41.000And then that will kind of inform where they go with the testing.
00:22:44.000And so the testing might be a little bit expensive, but you're not just casting around blindly.
00:22:48.000Like because of that really thorough intake and kind of understanding the early life history and trying to ferret out if there's ever been like a big event that could be linked back to this health crisis, then they can really dial in the testing.
00:23:03.000Then depending on what they get from that, they can make a treatment protocol, try the treatment protocol.
00:23:09.000If not, then we start modifying from there.
00:23:11.000When you say eating foods out of the country and catching some sort of a bacterial infection, that is one of the scariest things in the world to me.
00:23:20.000Because I've watched that stupid show too many times.
00:24:21.000I know you get Giardia from beaver poop.
00:24:23.000That is another place, yeah, and I don't know that there are beaver in the Yucatan, but there are some other carriers.
00:24:29.000We were in Prince of Wales Island once, about a year and a half ago, two years ago, and it's really high up, and it's above the line where beavers are, and so you could take a water bottle and dip it into a lake.
00:25:22.000My professor, Loren Cordain, the guy who kind of founded this paleo diet concept, he used to be a lifeguard at Lake Tahoe, you know, 30 years ago, 35 years ago.
00:25:32.000And they would jump off the pier, dive down where it was super deep, really cold, open up their water bottle, fill it up, swim back up, drink it.
00:25:40.000And you can't do it now because the lake has Giardia in it and a bunch of other weird things.
00:28:06.000You know, if you did something like a white potato and you're going to have a certain blood glucose response from it and you put a good whack of butter or olive oil or something in it, for one group of people, it would actually reduce and spread out the total glucose load.
00:28:20.000So your blood sugar wouldn't go as high.
00:28:22.000Your total insulin load would be lesser as a consequence.
00:28:26.000And then there are other groups of folks that they will see an increase in blood glucose response and a really pronounced increase in insulin response.
00:28:44.000The studies that have been done, they're quite uniform.
00:28:46.000Yeah, like they get in and do a pretty good job.
00:28:48.000So they're, you know, person eats X amount of carbohydrate, they add X amount of fat, they're kind of standardized for body weight so that you're diluting the glucose about the same amount from person to person.
00:28:59.000And so the The best understanding that I've seen out of this is just that there's a pretty good variability from person to person as to how they're going to respond to that.
00:29:08.000So it's not always a case where adding fat to a decently dense carbohydrate source is going to buy you anything.
00:29:16.000For some people it is an improvement and for other people it's actually more of a problem.
00:29:20.000So you'd almost have to do the kind of experiments that you're doing with your wife, where you take the blood levels.
00:30:05.000When we look at, again, some pre-agricultural people, they tend to have some really, really nice blood glucose responses.
00:30:12.000And again, from this Weitzman paper, what we saw from that is if people control their blood glucose effectively over time, their inflammation drops, their gut microbiome improves.
00:30:22.000And so you could have two people that have a very different response to, say, like rice or potatoes or something.
00:30:29.000And one person, like my wife, it's kind of crazy.
00:30:31.000She can just crush this stuff, and she does great.
00:30:34.000And interestingly, she can eat a ketogenic diet and do great.
00:30:37.000She can switch whatever fuel she wants to eat, and she does fine with that.
00:30:41.000But if we keep that gut microbiome or the blood glucose response I don't know exactly what is wrong with me, but I don't handle carbs that well.
00:30:58.000If I eat in a way that my blood glucose response looks like my wife, then my blood lipids look good.
00:31:06.000Everything else pulls into a good spot.
00:31:09.000So even if you're not You know, from that genetically talented side of things, if you can make your blood glucose response look like that genetically talented person, then you should get most of the metabolic benefits.
00:31:21.000You don't have as much latitude in your day-to-day eating, but I mean, you know, not everybody can flat-foot dunk a basketball or something, so you just have to take what you get, yeah.
00:31:54.000But when you get a little bit granular with that, whole unprocessed foods could be beans, it could be potatoes, it could be sweet potatoes.
00:32:21.000Even though that general recommendation of eat whole, unprocessed foods is generally spot on, there's still a lot of details and granularity in that.
00:32:30.000You could be following a whole food diet, and for you, because of your genetics or the epigenetics, like your gut or maybe taking antibiotics in the past, you still may need to be really careful about the amounts and types of carbohydrates that you eat.
00:32:45.000That's crazy, taking antibiotics in the past can affect you that far in the future.
00:32:50.000How much of an effect, like time-wise?
00:32:52.000Well, so there's two levels to this, in my opinion.
00:32:59.000Certain antibiotics, the way that they work, they interrupt the transcription and activity of the ribosomes in Bacteria.
00:33:07.000But our mitochondria are effectively a bacteria, like they have bacterial DNA and ribosomes.
00:33:15.000And even though in general, like mainstream medicine says that antibiotics don't affect mitochondrial function, there's some pretty good papers that suggest that antibiotics can disrupt and damage mitochondrial function.
00:33:29.000And when your mitochondria get sick, you die.
00:33:31.000Like this is so much of what Rhonda Patrick Talks about with, you know, the benefits of fasting and having really good micronutrient density and whatnot.
00:33:39.000And, you know, Tim Ferriss pinged me a question about why has Lyme disease gotten so much worse for people?
00:33:46.000You know, used to it was kind of like catching a cold.
00:33:49.000You know, he lived in upstate New York.
00:33:52.000It wasn't something that would cripple people over the long haul.
00:33:55.000And now you're seeing a lot of long-term problems, but my question was, is it really the Lyme disease or is it the damage to the mitochondria from being on antibiotics long-term?
00:34:05.000Because the Lyme disease requires a really long treatment protocol with antibiotics.
00:34:10.000That's fascinating, but isn't it even worse for people that go misdiagnosed?
00:34:14.000And so they don't get on the antibiotics for a long time and the Lyme disease gets deep, deep, deep into their system.
00:34:20.000Yeah, honestly, I don't know much on that side.
00:34:23.000I've been looking so much at this kind of mitochondrial dysfunction side, I can't really comment much on the long-term untreated Lyme disease.
00:34:31.000Lyme disease is a scary thing because there's so many ticks that have it now.
00:34:35.000I mean, I was talking to some people this weekend and they were like, yeah, my mom's got it, my dad's got it, I got it.
00:34:41.000How many goddamn people are getting lit up by these ticks?
00:34:45.000And catching this little freaky disease.
00:34:50.000NPR just had a piece on this, and it was some of the modern farming practices has killed off the predators that would normally knock the tick population down.
00:35:01.000I forget, you know, I literally just kind of scanned it, but somebody that commented on there like, oh yeah, this is why we have free-range chickens on our property to basically keep the tick population down.
00:35:10.000But part of what is suppressing that is that the free-range chickens are eating mice and stuff.
00:35:16.000So the mice are a vector that allows the ticks to grow and populate.
00:35:22.000You know, I just scanned this thing, but it was interesting, but it was suggesting that the kind of monocropping process of what we've done with modern agriculture has created this gap where we now have pests, like mammalian pests, like mice and moles,
00:35:37.000that are a vector for the ticks, and so they've just got more surface area, more real estate that they can live on, and so their population has grown.
00:35:46.000That's a really important factor for people that don't like coyotes.
00:35:50.000Like, there's a lot of people that are very angry that coyotes say, the coyote ate my dog.
00:35:54.000Like, I understand, and it is terrible.
00:35:56.000However, the coyote also eats every rat that you can find, and that's one of the reasons why rats aren't everywhere.
00:36:08.000I think I'd rather have a few coyotes every now and then, an occasional lost cat than fucking Black Plague running through your neighborhood in the suburbs.
00:36:14.000It's true, but they have eaten three of my cats in Reno, so I do smoke a coyote every once in a while.
00:37:19.000Well, it's also amazing how many Native American myths and stories evolved about the coyote.
00:37:27.000And about how the coyote was this sort of god that was kind of watching over everything and was responsible for creation and a lot of other things.
00:37:57.000There's quite a few of them, but one of the things that's important is that coyotes, when a coyote and a wolf breed, they're basically the same animal.
00:38:04.000So even though there's variations in the way they behave, particularly in that coyotes can hunt alone and they can hunt in packs, whereas wolves almost exclusively hunt in packs.
00:39:02.000I was going to figure out a way to kill her, but then I thought, well, if I kill her, Part of it, I don't want the babies to grow up and kill my chickens more, but then the other thing is I don't want to stop a mother from feeding their babies.
00:39:20.000There's a game being played, and the game is stay alive, and the chickens are playing a way easier version of stay alive than the coyote is.
00:39:28.000So I felt like I had to give her that point.
00:39:52.000He's about 105 pounds and like 2% body fat and I wouldn't want him getting mixed up in a pack of coyotes, but I think he could probably hold his own for a good bit if something went down.
00:40:04.000One of them will come out and they'll taunt him, and then they'll chase him, and then the other ones will ambush him.
00:40:10.000Or if the female coyote is fertile at that point, and they're pumping out the pheromones, it'll lure the dog away, and they're like, yeah, you didn't get any action, and we're going to eat you.
00:40:21.000There's a great story that this guy told me who worked at my pet food store.
00:40:25.000And he also works as a nurse in a veterinary office.
00:41:54.000So yeah, that would be a handful, especially if it's like 130 pounds and jacked.
00:41:58.000They say that the thing about the pit bull is that it's not worried about dying the way a coyote is.
00:42:04.000Like coyotes, because no one's feeding them, their whole thing is like stay alive, survive, you know, attack and kill something, but don't fight to the death.
00:42:23.000Is like that Michael Vick story where the ones that would quit or the ones that would turn, that wouldn't engage in the fight, they would kill them and torture them.
00:42:32.000It was horrible, horrible, horrible stuff.
00:42:33.000But because of that really nasty, cruel, vicious way of approaching the dog breeding, what they get is this bloodline of ferocious warriors that just have no fear of death.
00:42:45.000And when you get one that's 120 pounds like that, like, fuck, man.
00:43:40.000These guys have done that with pit bulls, where it's just like, it looks like they're breeding it with, like, something else, but it's really just taking the biggest one.
00:43:47.000Or maybe some anivar in the puppy chow or something like that.
00:45:36.000And that's sort of like dogs, that we, by preference and breeding and, you know, and I guess geography as well, that's a huge factor as well.
00:45:46.000But it is interesting, like, the wolf, coyotes, I guess, like, dingoes, like, there's a real uniformity there.
00:45:52.000Like, nature ended up pushing some things where they've got this kind of snoutiness and they've got good hearing and good smell, but not like a hound dog, which has better smell, you know, it's interesting.
00:46:39.000Whereas polar bears are some of the largest bears.
00:46:42.000Or Kodiak, Alaska bears, which is sort of a perfect example.
00:46:45.000Because in Kodiak Island, those brown bears have access to massive amounts of protein in salmon and beached whales and deer and fawns and things like that.
00:46:55.000Because they're just such a genetic...
00:46:58.000They're such a genetically powerful creature as is, a brown bear, but then you give them all this massive amounts of protein and incredible food, and then on top of that, it's freezing fucking cold.
00:47:08.000So they just become these enormous behemoths.
00:47:22.000Some scientist did a bunch of research.
00:47:24.000He did like three years of research on himself or on his own.
00:47:26.000He said he went into museums and was studying the bone fragments and he put all of his information into a computer program and after five minutes it spit out something that said that like All of the two major dinosaur family trees are different.
00:47:45.000This is something like telling you that neither cats nor dogs are what you thought they were, and some of the animals you call cats are actually dogs.
00:47:53.000This is what Discovery is sort of like.
00:48:15.000Yeah, that's one of the things it's saying.
00:48:17.000This is one guy, and this news hit the waves today.
00:48:20.000It's making big headlines all over about what does this information mean.
00:48:24.000I was just thinking, as you guys were saying that about wolves, what if they find out next week that all dogs didn't come from wolves and they came from cats or something?
00:48:39.000They had some real small ones that had different kinds of teeth that proved that they were omnivores and not necessarily like carnivores or herbivores or whatever.
00:48:49.000Lesson in like all science should have a sign hung on it that says good until further notice.
00:48:54.000And you don't like turn it into religious doctrine and assume that it's 100% factual.
00:48:59.000You know, we create models and hopefully those models help us kind of predict and model the world.
00:49:05.000But, you know, when you get better, newer information, you may have to scuttle that whole thing.
00:49:10.000Yeah, there was an article that I tweeted, and then a follow-up article earlier today, or last night rather, about scientific journals, about some scandals that are emerging from scientific journals, where scientific journals are essentially operating on a pay-to-play basis, and some of them,
00:49:25.000they're publishing these things without really vetting the information that's inside the papers.
00:49:30.000And it just seems like any time money gets involved in stuff, people become assholes.
00:49:46.000Like when Donald Trump says that you are fake news, like how are you allowed, like there should be like a list of things that would disqualify you from being the president.
00:49:54.000Like as soon as you say that, you're like, okay, did you say that?
00:50:25.000You're fucking with the entire information process.
00:50:29.000Because of your own power and the inconvenience of someone telling you challenging things, you're fucking with the entire process of getting information to people.
00:51:11.000Entrenched in their ideology and it's just it's virtually impossible to get somebody on the opposite side of a fence to have a discussion about anything in any meeting of the minds and it's interesting to me I really think social media is kind of facilitated this historically you had like print paper for you know maybe a couple of hundred years and people would have you know community gatherings they would talk about different topics Right.
00:51:58.000And so, like, the discourse is just crazy.
00:52:27.000Well, there are a lot of people that invest tremendous amount of time, a tremendous amount of time just engaging with people and fighting and arguing and insulting and attacking people online.
00:52:37.000And I have gone to a bunch of different Twitter pages where I go, how many hours is this guy on?
00:52:43.000And then I like check to see like, when does he start his tweets?
00:52:49.000And it's all mean, nasty, attack shit.
00:52:52.000Like some mentally ill person has a computer and nothing's preventing them from just going after people and trolling people and attacking people.
00:52:59.000What disturbs me is not just that, but also this natural human tendency that we seem to have where you have an idea in your head and then that idea is not just an idea, but it's your idea.
00:53:11.000And you have to defend that idea, even if it's a preposterous idea like the Earth is flat.
00:53:15.000And what you find out is that these people form groups, and other people who have also sort of adopted this preposterous idea and refuse to look at all at any evidence that points that that's a silly idea, and instead they dig their heels in and get confirmation bias from all these other people,
00:53:31.000and then they form these social media groups, Facebook groups, they go to websites, they get on web forums, and they start interacting with each other, and exclusively interacting with each other, and then Also, enforcing each other's beliefs.
00:54:10.000They love, like, this dinosaur thing is cool because it seems to be real.
00:54:13.000Did you see the gal that said that all the fossils were basically people doing, like, kind of Michelangelo deal and chiseling them out of rock?
00:54:22.000Because the fossils came out of Iraq, oh, you got...
00:54:39.000I mean, so she's basically like, okay, so these things come out of rocks.
00:54:43.000And so these anthropologists, because there's millions of dollars in anthropology or archaeology, they're just chiseling these bones out of rock.
00:55:04.000The composition and what they end up being when everything is said and done.
00:55:10.000So a fossil is not actually a piece of bone.
00:55:16.000A fossil is actually a bone that was once in the ground that has been then filled with Limestone, calcium, and other kind of stone-like deposits over the course of many,
00:56:03.000The problem is some fucking idiot like this gets to talk about a subject that she's not educated in and no one is over her shoulder going, eh, that's not true.
00:56:12.000And here's the thing to people that, you know, someone out there who buys into a lot of this stupid shit, you must be an expert in something.
00:56:21.000You know, think about what you do for a living.
00:56:24.000Like, if someone tried to tell me that...
00:56:28.000Like, a lot of these chi-touch martial arts guys are too deadly to fight in the UFC. And if they make a video, they make a video about this, and I'm not there while they're making this video, so I can't talk to them, like, and stop them and pause them and go, nope, that's not true.
00:56:43.000Nope, that's not, nope, that's not correct.
00:56:45.000Nope, no, here's actually what happens when you get knocked out.
00:56:47.000No, it is not a fucking chi-dispersion or dispersion technique.
00:56:52.000You're not really interrupting the chakras flow.
00:56:55.000No, it's a fucking concussion, stupid, and we can measure concussions.
00:56:58.000We know about all the different variables in the blood when you can prove.
00:57:01.000There's some new tests that I wanted to get into as well.
00:57:06.000There's an institute now that's checking concussions, and they're doing blood tests on people to find out about concussions that they've had in the past and how those concussions have healed.
00:57:19.000Obviously, I'm deviating from the path, but the point is, I know a lot about martial arts.
00:57:24.000So if someone wants to do a video about martial arts, well, I am an actual martial arts expert, and I can talk to you about what you're saying that's incorrect.
00:57:35.000I know about torque and leverage and all these different variables.
00:57:39.000But you could make a video without me being there, and you could ramble on, or not even me, any martial arts expert, and you could ramble on, and if someone doesn't know, they watch that, and they go, wow, that guy's dropping some truth bombs.
00:57:53.000You know, I don't know if you saw this, but Matt Thornton, he's the Straight Blast GM founder, really brilliant guy, and they put together this...
00:58:02.000I forget who it was, but it's kind of a philosophy department, and they put together this kind of white sheet on using Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in particular as a means of teaching critical thinking to students.
00:58:14.000Because there's this really testable, verifiable process.
00:58:21.000And you can define what working means versus this kind of like, you know, chi, dim, mock, death, touch type stuff.
00:58:27.000And so they've actually developed this curriculum around using this physical process of Brazilian jiu-jitsu and I think also mixed martial arts in general, but specifically jiu-jitsu as a means of teaching critical thinking skills.
00:59:12.000And so then you start laying the foundation of being able to create a good critical thinking process.
00:59:18.000One of the things that I really love about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in particular is that it seems to be a study in variable absolutes.
00:59:25.000Meaning that there's so many variables involved in like two people engaging with each other.
00:59:31.000Say if two people are blue belts and they engage with each other and one person dominates that person with superior technique and knowledge and gets the tap over and over again.
00:59:41.000You could take that same person who dominated that person and then put him in there with a guy like Jacare.
00:59:47.000And he would just get manhandled, and it would look like he knows virtually nothing about Jiu Jitsu.
00:59:53.000Because one person's, the variables, the understanding of all the complexities of the techniques, they have mastered them, and they have also built their body to a much stronger physical unit.
01:00:06.000So all these are variables, but the absolute is getting the arm bar, getting the choke, putting someone to sleep with the choke.
01:00:14.000Like when you tap out, If you're not just like a person who gets scared really quick and taps out for no reason, which does happen, but you're thinking about someone who has some experience.
01:00:24.000When you're tapping out, you're essentially saying, you've got me into this absolute position.
01:00:28.000I'm at the point of death or massive injury, knees tearing apart, arms breaking.
01:00:36.000In doing those you encounter these variable absolutes in a way that is really kind of uncommon in our world outside of fucking car accidents and someone hitting you over the head with a baseball bat.
01:00:47.000And you encounter the consequences of actions and movements in a way that sort of makes you really appreciate The overall variables of life and how important it is to take care of your health.
01:01:01.000How important it is to know what you're talking about.
01:01:04.000You know, if fighting, I always try to talk about fighting as if it's a language.
01:01:08.000And if one person has like one word they yell at you, and they're like really good at going, shut the fuck up!
01:02:05.000And I think the environment that it establishes, that it creates, and the way that effect that it has on your mind, where it's forcing you into these extreme problem situations and solving those problems, then understanding, where did that go wrong?
01:02:19.000What can I do to my body to maybe strengthen myself so that I can stop that from happening?
01:02:33.000What I need to do is be patient, use my hips, hip escape, do this, do that.
01:02:37.000And those variables and understanding those variables and having that database in your mind and recognizing that there's analogies that you could make in all sorts of avenues in life that where that would be greatly beneficial.
01:02:54.000Well, and again, just another hat tip to Matt Thornton.
01:02:58.000Like, he's just made this point that these alive arts, whether it's wrestling or boxing or Thai boxing, jujitsu, judo, there's kind of an authenticity with that.
01:04:14.000And I was guilty of that for quite a while until I just mounted up a series of injuries that I almost couldn't deny anymore.
01:04:20.000Particularly back injuries, but strengthening the body and sort of strengthening the overall structure in which you engage in these sort of things, meaning not just like strengthening the body by lifting weights and doing squats, but also by yoga, also by...
01:04:36.000Doing really unusual exercises like kettlebell windmills and stuff like that really puts a very bizarre load on the spine in weird ways and it really strengthens the core in a substantial manner that allows you to deal with the pressure of certain positions without succumbing to the attempt by your opponent.
01:05:41.000So, like, if you're flexible or you're explosive or what have you, how much of that do you rely on versus trying to develop this stuff where you've got a game that you could do whether you're 40 years old or 80 years old?
01:05:53.000Like, how do you play back and forth with that to, you know, optimize that process?
01:05:58.000That's a real good question, and I think a good study is Roy Jones Jr. And Roy Jones Jr., in his prime, was probably the most attribute-based fighter of all time, with substantial attributes.
01:06:10.000His speed and his style, the movement in which he used inside the ring, was really very difficult for people to handle.
01:06:18.000But as soon as that went away, his physical attributes sort of started to deteriorate.
01:06:27.000He went from being the best in the world to two years later people wanted him to retire.
01:06:31.000And there's a bunch of variables that could have happened in that effect.
01:06:37.000I think some manipulation of hormones.
01:06:40.000I'm just speculating, but I believe steroids are probably involved in him moving up from light heavyweight to heavyweight, where he beat John Ruiz for the heavyweight title and was jacked at 200 pounds, shredded.
01:06:52.000And then went down and fought Antonio Tarver and looked listless and soft and didn't look as fast.
01:06:59.000And I think a lot of that was his body responding to the fact that his hormone levels were off.
01:07:05.000And I don't know if he was checking that stuff and I bet he probably wasn't.
01:07:08.000I bet he just had lost too much weight and dehydrated himself too much getting down to that 175 pound limit again.
01:07:14.000So Tarver knocked him out and then Glenn Johnson knocked him out after the Tarver fight and it was bad.
01:07:19.000I think that when Roy was in his prime, though, he did some things that were so hard to handle, so unconventional because of his ridiculous speed.
01:07:29.000Like, very rarely did he throw the jab.
01:07:47.000So when he was young, he beat Bernard Hopkins, and he beat him pretty handily.
01:07:53.000When he was older, Bernard Hopkins beat him, and beat him pretty handily.
01:07:58.000And Bernard Hopkins was always older than him.
01:08:01.000So when he was young, Bernard Hopkins, who had that very defensive-based style, keeps his hands up very high, very technical, couldn't deal with the speed of Roy Jones Jr. He just was ridiculous.
01:08:12.000But as soon as Roy lost a step in his speed, then his style's not really the best style.
01:08:18.000The best style is the most technical style.
01:08:22.000And you can do that most technical style with extreme attributes.
01:08:27.000So I would agree with them that the best thing to learn is the proper way.
01:08:32.000Learning all the techniques, like learning good defensive posture, good hands up when you're throwing strikes, good movement and footwork, and not just relying on freak athleticism.
01:08:43.000I think it's probably the best way to attack it.
01:08:46.000What do you think about the really grip-dependent games, you know, like all the Spider Guard and all that stuff?
01:08:51.000Like, I see these guys doing really amazing stuff, but it seems like their hands are broken in a pretty young age.
01:08:58.000And, I mean, maybe that's something that you burn just because you've got a competitive career and then you've got to kind of shift games.
01:09:03.000But then you have someone like Kron who really...
01:09:07.000He has an interesting open guard game where it's a lot of collar control and stuff like that, and he's not getting in and doing spider guard and inversions and whatnot.
01:09:16.000And you could argue he's maybe not as successful as a lot of other people in that really competitive circuit, but he also seems to be motoring along pretty well, reasonably injury-free and still has a very powerful game.
01:09:28.000Well, he has an incredibly powerful game.
01:09:30.000You also have to think, well, his dad is the greatest jiu-jitsu player of all time that had to play a factor.
01:09:36.000Although he didn't really train much with his dad, which is kind of unusual.
01:10:41.000He just would pull guard and then you'd be fucked.
01:10:44.000He would just figure out a way to wrap your neck and arm around his legs, squeeze the shit out of you, and next thing you know you're tapping or you're blacked out.
01:11:17.000The best jujitsu is jujitsu that you can do with a gi or without a gi.
01:11:22.000And a lot of those guys, where they get into MMA, they don't have any handles to grab.
01:11:27.000And so no-gi jujitsu is much more like Greco-Roman wrestling, whereas Eddie Bravo and his Tenth Planet jujitsu system, what he's done is sort of incorporate much more no-gi, like Greco-Roman control.
01:12:02.000Like, I can't just yank out of arm bars and shit.
01:12:04.000Like, if you're in there with a good guy and he's got you in his guard and there's a gi, there's so much friction that you have to really be careful.
01:12:11.000But I think offensively, you have to be very careful to not use that gi.
01:12:16.000The good thing about learning how to use the gi is, like, say if you get in a fight with someone and they have a winter coat on, they're fucking dead.
01:12:23.000You know, some guy, some drunk wants to kick your ass, and you just get your hand inside his collar, and they're like, oh, look at you, you're a dead man.
01:12:31.000Like, if you get a guy who's, like, got a good Ezekiel choke or something like that, and he gets a hold of you, and he's on top of you, and he gets his own collar and wraps around, chokes you to death with his own arms, you know, it's...
01:14:26.000And it's looking at the total allostatic load or the stress load on an individual.
01:14:31.000So the heart, if you have 60 beats a minute, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's beating once a second.
01:14:38.000You may have three beats that go really fast, and then there may be a long pause, and then two beats, and so there's variability to it.
01:14:45.000It's basically chaos mathematics that describes this stuff, but if you are not under significant stress, if your parasympathetic nervous system, the rest and restore part, I've found that if I keep an eye on my heart rate variability in conjunction with my
01:15:15.000food and my sleep and all the rest of that stuff, then the hormones tend to stay pretty good in line.
01:15:20.000But if they start pushing anything, if I start compromising sleep, For me, if I go too low carb, too long, particularly with some really hard training, then I will kind of get adrenalized and I get all the signs and symptoms of testosterone kind of dropping down and whatnot,
01:15:36.000which is interesting because I know you've played around with that and seemed to have some pretty good success at keto-fueled rolling.
01:15:42.000Yeah, well, what fascinated me is I'm on testosterone replacement therapy, and when I took my diet away from a high-carbohydrate diet to a much more high-fat diet, ketogenic diet,
01:16:22.000But what it is apparently is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the precursors For testosterone are the saturated fats and cholesterol and your body produces testosterone from them.
01:16:35.000When you have an abundance of them and you're in a healthy balance, it's not like you're consuming unhealthy foods.
01:16:43.000When you get a healthy balance of those, your body produces more testosterone naturally.
01:16:50.000Well, and it's interesting, and this is where this stuff gets really complex, but usually when people are on a lower carb diet than this hormone called sex hormone binding protein or sex hormone binding globulin, that increases.
01:17:02.000And what that can do, it can reduce the level of free testosterone.
01:17:06.000So your total testosterone may look good.
01:17:10.000That's a not uncommon thing to happen on low carb diets.
01:17:13.000But then the interesting side to that is that the receptor sites, which are really what matters in this whole story, the receptor site density for testosterone increases.
01:17:25.000So you may not need as much to get the same effect that you would otherwise have.
01:17:30.000Or if you have a little bit more testosterone, then you're going to get an even greater effect.
01:17:41.000But when people are on a lower-carb diet, it does appear that anabolic hormones have a more pronounced effect than what they would have during a higher-carb period.
01:17:51.000And I don't really know the mechanism behind how that works.
01:17:55.000Definitely, if you have 100 units of testosterone or estrogen in one person and they have a certain number of receptor sites and then another person, same hormonal level but more receptor sites, then they are going to get a more potent anabolic response out of that.
01:18:15.000And then when you take into account what we've discussed already about genetic variables, different people respond differently to carbohydrates and fats and proteins, it is so difficult for people to find the thing that works best for them.
01:19:18.000What the compromises that your body has to make when you change it to a high carbohydrate, high sugar diet.
01:19:23.000And one of the things that is a new study that Dr. Rhonda Patrick sent me recently was the dangers of Saturated fats have been sort of overstated, and a lot of it because of that.
01:19:38.000I'm sure you're aware of that New York Times article about the sugar industry literally bribing scientists to lie in the 1950s and say that heart disease is being caused by saturated fats and taking the blame off of sugar.
01:19:51.000And they altered data and really fucked with generations of people's ideas to change the information that we receive and fucked with people's heads.
01:20:04.000Processed sugar mixed with saturated fat is actually not healthy at all.
01:20:16.000And it really makes sense because if we over consume carbohydrates in general, then we fill up the liver glycogen and then the liver starts converting this into palmitic acid, which is a saturated fat.
01:20:28.000And that palmitic acid tends to make us insulin resistant.
01:20:31.000And there's good mechanisms behind that.
01:20:34.000Like there's good kind of engineering there if we're eating a little bit more of an ancestral type diet.
01:20:40.000But when you throw a modern processed diet and sedentism and messed up circadian rhythm, you know, not going to bed on time, not getting enough daylight sun, then the whole mess ends up being really pro-inflammatory and very much moving you towards this insulin resistant profile.
01:20:57.000Now what is it about sugar where when you are not consuming it on a regular basis and then you take some time like I've gone like really strict ketogenic for four or five months and then I'll go off and have like a milkshake and fries and I can't fucking believe how bad I feel.
01:21:22.000During the state of ketosis, so, you know, and you say normal, it's like normally the brain runs off glucose, but what's really normal?
01:21:29.000Like for me, normal is trying to look at this from this ancestral template, you know, and so for eons, humans and every other organism on the planet didn't have consistent food.
01:21:40.000And because our brain is so big and it's so metabolically active, even though I think it's like 2% of our body weight, but 20% of the energy use, it's really important that we protect that.
01:21:51.000And so the process of ketosis is a workaround so that we don't have to break down protein to convert it into glucose to feed the brain.
01:22:01.000The body fat gets turned into ketone bodies, which are water soluble and can go through the blood brain barrier and it can fuel the brain in a really effective way.
01:22:09.000But when you do that, what you are trying to do is spare glucose just for the brain, just for the red blood cells, the few tissues that have to run on glucose, like they have no other workarounds.
01:22:52.000But what the body does is it creates what's called metabolic insulin resistance where the muscles become insulin resistant so that we don't use glucose in the muscles.
01:23:03.000We're using free fatty acids and we're using ketone bodies.
01:23:07.000So then you go and you've been ketotic for a while.
01:23:10.000You have physiological insulin resistance to support and maintain that ketotic state.
01:24:36.000I don't really know what the right answer is with any of that stuff, but it is interesting, and it does kind of call into question how useful is chronic ketosis relative to being able to cycle in and out of it.
01:24:50.000I don't have a good answer, but I definitely feel best when I'm ketotic.
01:24:54.000You feel best when you're ketotic, but you tend to do a little bit higher carbohydrates to fuel the jujitsu.
01:25:00.000And that doesn't knock you out of a state of ketosis as long as you've been fairly consistent?
01:25:24.000And so when I do that 75 to 120 grams of carbs to fuel the jujitsu, I can't do that as easy.
01:25:31.000Like, 10 hours in, 12 hours in of, you know, so I sleep through the night, so I've got a 12-hour fast, then I get up, and if I tried to go to 6 p.m.
01:25:42.000I wouldn't be totally broken down, dysfunctional, like I was when I was You know, insulin-resistant sugar burner, but it's not the same as being keto-adapted.
01:25:51.000Now, do you mess at all with exogenous ketones?
01:25:54.000I do a little bit, but the ketone salts give me the trots.
01:25:59.000I do a lot of the caveman coffee and then their MCT oil, and I'll actually mix that up with peanut butter and then either soy lecithin or sunflower lecithin because it kind of emulsifies all that stuff, so I'll mix it up.
01:26:31.000Well, and then in Paleo land, peanuts are legumes, and so there's a bunch of super hardcore Paleo folks that are freaking out and dying right now that I'm eating peanut butter.
01:27:39.000Grains and legumes may be something that you want to minimize because it is immunogenic for a lot of people.
01:27:45.000And this is the success that we've seen with this autoimmune paleo approach.
01:27:49.000So I think that the unfortunate thing is, on the one hand, there are a lot of people who dismiss the power of limiting these foods in people that it would benefit.
01:28:23.000You know, I've got to throw myself under the bus.
01:28:26.000I've probably been that person for a decade or longer, you know, but over the course of time, just life, it's that jujitsu thing again, you know, where it's like the truth will pound you and at some point you either get it or you just become this like calcified old turd and you can't learn or grow.
01:28:42.000And over the course of time, it just became obvious that if your gut's healthy, if all the cylinders are firing, doing some grains and legumes is probably not going to be a negative problem for you.
01:28:53.000But if you are a cop or a firefighter in the military and you've historically been able to eat these foods and then you go to a shift work schedule and you're under a massive amount of stress because of an altered sleep-wake cycle, those foods that may have been okay may no longer now be okay.
01:29:10.000And so that's another piece that people just need to remain open that something that's working for you today may not work for you tomorrow.
01:29:18.000And then, you know, something that worked for me may not work for this other person.
01:29:21.000It's kind of common sense, but people just desperately in this health, wellness, nutrition realm, they want black or white, yes or no, binary stuff.
01:30:41.000Yeah, there's a great expression about that.
01:30:43.000As the lake of knowledge increases, the shoreline of ignorance grows as well.
01:30:48.000I think Dennis McKenna had a take on it too, that as you increase the bonfire of knowledge, it exposes the greater level of ignorance, as the light does.
01:30:59.000But it's a natural human tendency for some strange reason to want to know everything or to want to pretend you know everything.
01:31:05.000It's like a defensive mechanism or something.
01:31:07.000It definitely is a defensive mechanism and it's just so appealing to basically put a fence around what your current knowledge state is and be like, there it is, we're good, you know?
01:31:18.000And it's a really tough deal to just kind of dangle in the breeze and to hang that sign, you know, good until further notice, yeah.
01:31:25.000And that's why today it's so weird, because you can find other people that agree with you on that, and they pump you up, and they give you that confirmation bias, and they support each other, and they get together and make fun of everybody who's not in the know, who's not hashtag woke.
01:31:42.000And, you know, I had a lot of that, like running a CrossFit-type gym.
01:31:46.000I would recommend this low-carb, paleo type of approach.
01:31:50.000And for people that were insulin resistant, overweight, it worked amazingly well.
01:31:54.000And then when I started working with more MMA-oriented folks and CrossFitters, It took a long time in breaking a lot of people to figure out, okay, these people need some more carbs.
01:32:08.000They may not need as much as what they've historically done, but this fully keto-fueled process is probably not going to work with them.
01:32:15.000And it broke some people, including myself.
01:32:18.000Well, it's very hard for people to wrap their head around the idea that eating fruit is not a good idea.
01:32:23.000Like, eating too much fruit could be bad for you.
01:33:13.000Yeah, it's tiny and it's all seeds and there's hardly any edible structure to it.
01:33:18.000And so if you look at most of the fruit that was available kind of pre-agriculture and that selective breeding of fruit, like it was much smaller, wasn't as sweet.
01:33:28.000And again, it's not to say that you shouldn't have any of that stuff, but it's just, there was an interesting piece that came out of the UK where it was looking at feeding kids fruit.
01:33:38.000They were like, let's recommend that these kids eat fruit.
01:33:41.000And the kids already had a hypercaloric diet.
01:35:08.000That GMO story, I'm in a spot where I usually piss everybody off about it because I am way less concerned about genetic modification of these things and more concerned about some of the business practices that happen.
01:35:23.000Like, we've been doing selective breeding for thousands of years, and that has modified the genetics.
01:35:27.000Back to the wolf-turning-into-dog story.
01:35:41.000Selective breeding, for the most part.
01:35:42.000Yeah, most of it's selective breeding.
01:35:44.000And the thing about GMO, too, is the apologist for it, like, when you look at the results that you get with the GMO, the genetic modification, it's really unimpressive.
01:36:45.000So my position on GMOs usually just makes everybody mad because I'm not really jumping into either one of these camps whole hog.
01:36:54.000Well, food production in general, when you look at these gigantic large-scale farms, that is one of the most unnatural things you're ever going to see in life.
01:37:14.000So you're spraying your genetically modified monocrops with some shit that kills off everything but your genetically modified monocrops, and who knows what that consequence is on the human body.
01:37:24.000Well, you know, so Roundup is now being suggested or has been suggested for a long time as a mitochondrial disruptor, similar to that antibiotic story.
01:37:35.000So this is where people, you know, the last questions about like, well, what about this gluten intolerance thing?
01:37:40.000Like people didn't have it 50 years ago.
01:37:43.000And we really don't know, but maybe it's antibiotics.
01:37:46.000Maybe it's changes in the gut microbiome.
01:37:48.000But a lot of this stuff seems to have a mitochondrial dysfunction piece to it.
01:37:52.000Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, type 2 diabetes, they all seem to have mitochondrial dysfunction elements to them.
01:37:58.000The mitochondria is not producing energy the way that it should.
01:38:02.000And back again to that point about being flexible with our fuel systems, people seem to be becoming inflexible in their fuel systems.
01:38:09.000And this ketotic state may be the default that we're able to go back to to be able to maintain some degree of health.
01:38:16.000And it also seems to press a reset button in the mitochondria where we get apoptosis and cell death.
01:38:22.000And abnormal cells, but the need for people to shift towards a lower-carb diet may be reflective of some changes in the environment where we're being made sick by things like glyphosate or maybe over-aggressive antibiotic use, and then the thing that we need to default back to to be able to be healthy is some sort of a low-carb or ketogenic diet.
01:38:43.000Now, when you're talking about foods and foods that people eat and breads and gluten deficiencies or gluten intolerances, what about sprouted breads?
01:38:54.000And what are the difference between something like an Ezekiel bread and say like a Wonder Bread?
01:38:59.000So with an Ezekiel bread, they soak these grains, pour off the water, let them sprout.
01:39:04.000And in that sprouting process, the enzymes that are released tend to break up the gluten and gliadin proteins.
01:39:10.000And for a lot of people who are gluten intolerant with like a piece of Wonder Bread or, you know, standard French bread, they could eat something like the Ezekiel bread.
01:39:33.000But if I get some sort of a wheat exposure, and it's to the degree that, like, if a steak is grilled on a grill and somebody grilled French toast on the grill the day before, I'm going to be sick from it.
01:39:44.000So I'm like the canary in the coal mine on it.
01:39:47.000That's fascinating, but does it have any effect on nutrient absorption?
01:39:52.000Because of celiacs, a big part of it is when you're exposed to that bread, it's not just that you go to get diarrhea, but the nutrients are not getting into your system.
01:40:00.000Right, because of the intestinal permeability.
01:40:03.000The way I got into all this stuff, I was really, really sick and had ulcerative colitis.
01:40:32.000And for me at that point, it was a high, it was a grain and legume based kind of vegan diet, which for me was just not working for that point in my life.
01:40:43.000Living in Seattle, not having any sun, that was a really, really bad move for me.
01:40:47.000But I will say this, this was also on the heels of getting and resolving, at least to some degree, Giardia.
01:40:54.000So I think that parasitic infection, low vitamin D levels, bad sleep, bad circadian rhythm, all that stuff fed into it.
01:41:37.000So like resveratrol, fasting, ketosis, those things all tend to flip some switches in the mitochondria that make them healthier and more robust.
01:41:48.000I've heard varying things on resveratrol being absorbable.
01:42:13.000And, you know, most of this data is Petri dish type data.
01:42:17.000So we really don't know if it's having great effect in...
01:42:21.000And then there's another layer to this.
01:42:23.000A ton of these polyphenolics don't really enter the body or they don't enter the body as the original chemical.
01:42:30.000They get modified by the gut bacteria and then either the gut bacteria manufacture a completely different chemical or some sort of downstream chemical is what enters the body or it may just interface with the gut lining and then the gut sends out different signaling molecules that then affects the rest of the body.
01:42:46.000Wow, so depend upon the healthiness of your gut bacteria.
01:43:01.000Like when you look at people going on a heart med or, you know, different things.
01:43:04.000Like, something that they're understanding is not only do we have genetic differences, but the differences in the gut microbiome may have a really profound influence in the way that people respond to supplements, pharmaceuticals.
01:43:48.000He ended up getting a really nasty gut bug traveling in, I think, the Philippines.
01:43:53.000And pictures of him before, he was, like, jacked.
01:43:57.000Super thick legs, like thick neck, Thai boxer.
01:44:00.000And now he's pretty weighty, and he's never really been able to put all the weight back on and kind of get back to as robust as what he was before that.
01:44:08.000But it was another situation where maybe some irritation to the gut because of the diet.
01:44:14.000And then definitely this infectious agent, whatever the bug was that he caught, just crushed him.
01:44:19.000There should be some sort of a place that you could go, like a string of places, you know, where you can open them up in major cities, in metropolitan areas, where someone can go and find out, like, what is the right stuff to do.
01:44:33.000I went to this one, they did some blood work on me, and the lady told me, avocados just don't agree with you.
01:45:00.000So if somebody has intestinal permeability...
01:45:03.000For whatever reason, then you can become reactive on like the IgG antibody testing.
01:45:10.000But the problem is not the food specifically.
01:45:14.000The problem is that you have gut permeability.
01:45:17.000So if you fix that gut permeability, then you're no longer really going to react to the food because the food doesn't get into your body then.
01:45:24.000Break it down into the amino acids and fatty acids and the constituent carbs.
01:45:31.000And so the immunogenic properties that it had before don't really matter because it's in your gut.
01:45:36.000And when the contents are inside the gut, it's outside the body.
01:45:39.000Is there any test that they can do with your blood that would show that in any way?
01:45:46.000And is there any way that avocados, one of the healthiest foods known to man, could possibly be something you should avoid?
01:46:29.000Now, what about sugar causes that inflammation?
01:46:31.000Because that is a big factor with people that have injuries.
01:46:36.000Even if it's not injuries, if they have...
01:46:39.000Joint pain, like knee pains, back pains.
01:46:41.000I've had this conversation with people and I got it from a chiropractor.
01:46:45.000She said, believe it or not, like gluten insensitivity, just reducing gluten and becoming gluten-free will change the way injuries hurt, like back injuries.
01:46:54.000And I thought, well, that sounds like some hippie bullshit.
01:46:57.000And so this was many years ago when I started getting into this idea of inflammatory foods affecting the way your body and your joints particularly feel.
01:47:05.000But she only took it to the point of gluten.
01:47:25.000So a couple of different mechanisms that can happen here.
01:47:27.000We definitely understand that the sugar can feed bacteria, both good and bad bacteria.
01:47:35.000Most of the bacterial mass, though, should be occurring in the colon, like pretty far south.
01:47:40.000And if we eat a diet that's really deficient in fiber, high in refined carbohydrates, All of carbohydrates get absorbed early, and so there's not actually any food for the bacteria that should be living in the colon.
01:47:52.000So these bacteria tend to move more upward in the GI tract, and this is where we get small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
01:48:00.000SIBO is a pro-inflammatory process, so that's one way that we can get inflammation out of that.
01:48:06.000Another way is just when we get really wild swings in blood sugar, That tends to be a pro-inflammatory process.
01:48:13.000So just the upregulation of insulin, particularly if it's over a chronic process, that can be a pro-inflammatory experience.
01:48:20.000And then the other piece is, you know, if you start getting cortisol released in response to blood sugar crashes because you get hypoglycemic and you're trying to ping the liver to release some more glucose, that can be a pro-inflammatory process.
01:48:36.000Like, what is happening when you say inflammation?
01:48:38.000So there's a bunch of different mediators there.
01:48:41.000So you've got different cytokines, these chemicals like interleukin-1, interleukin-6, that are turning on typically immune cells, and then other cells in the body are being affected as well.
01:48:52.000But it's usually some sort of immune cell response, which then they, in their process in doing what they do, they tend to release chemicals, cytokines and similar chemicals, It can turn into a feed-forward mechanism.
01:49:05.000So, you know, it's ultimately chemical messaging that can turn on other inflammatory processes in cells that are nearby and also the immune cells themselves.
01:49:17.000So that is causing these joints to be painful?
01:49:42.000So we get a little bit of this stress, ideally an appropriate dose, and the body senses this stress, and then it makes us stronger so that we can cope with a subsequent exposure to this.
01:49:53.000But if our system is already pro-inflamed from poor diet, inadequate sleep, gut permeability, what have you, Then these little, you know, tears and bumps and bruises and adhesions that we get from physical activity, they never really heal because our body is allocating resources to deal with the inflammation in the gut and our kind of over-hyped up inflammatory response,
01:50:16.000and it doesn't have the resources to deal with the inflammation in our joints and our muscle and whatnot.
01:51:03.000And what's fascinating was I did a podcast with Rhonda Patrick where she talked about the dangers of it and talked about how horrible it is for your gut bacteria.
01:51:47.000When a person does have some sort of an issue, like a headache or some sort of a swollen joint or some pain, is there anything that you can take that has anti-inflammatory properties that doesn't have the negative health consequences?
01:52:17.000So, the first workout was 75 glute ham sit-ups, which, you know, you're on like a glute ham developer and you're doing this super long range of movement sit-up.
01:53:46.000I mean, when I stay on my mobility maintenance cycle, I am good to go.
01:53:52.000But when I get super busy, when I'm traveling, you know, if I have to sleep in a weird bed or something, like, it tends to be a cumulative thing that adds up over like two weeks, and then I can get kind of a backfire.
01:54:02.000For people who, someone just asked about this on Twitter yesterday, the Reverse Hyper is a machine created by a guy named Louie Simmons, who is a really famous powerlifter and a completely insane person.
01:54:14.000If you want to listen to the podcast Jamie and I did with him at his place, West Side Barbell, he's a fucking nut.
01:54:21.000But genius in making this machine that allows active decompression of the spine.
01:54:28.000Do you do any sort of spinal decompression exercises?
01:54:31.000Yeah, so both, you know, kind of the inversion board and then also just hanging.
01:54:37.000I'll actually use some, you know, weightlifting straps and go out on a pull-up bar, hands together, and I'll hang for like three minutes at a shot.
01:54:45.000So I'm getting like thoracic decompression and then also...
01:57:01.000Well, in some of the gravity boots, they were finding that people were getting laxity in their knees, like the knees were giving way before you really decompress the back.
01:57:12.000But also some of that laxity in the knees probably relieves some knee pressure on some folks as well, sort of like how shoulder hangs releases a lot of shoulder pain in some people.
01:57:24.000But, you know, back to your question about the anti-inflammatories, like, if I get a really spicy backflour, I will do 800 milligrams of ibuprofen, but I'll hit it once, and then I'm good.
01:57:36.000And do you feel any adverse effects because you don't do it a lot?
01:57:40.000Do you feel it, like, do you take it and then feel any health consequences?
01:57:43.000I don't, but I mean, one of the primary health consequences is keeling over from a heart attack or stroke.
01:57:49.000So it's, you know, but it's one of those things where I've played with it.
01:57:52.000And once it gets in that, you know, I can ice it and I can do stem and all that stuff helps.
01:57:57.000But it's just like, man, if I can get one targeted bolus of ibuprofen, 800 milligrams, I hit it once.
01:58:07.000And then, you know, it changes the whole thing from being a two-day issue to like a 12-day issue.
01:58:13.000Because otherwise, it'll just kind of drag on.
01:58:15.000And I've just gotten to a point where if I really get myself into a bad spot with my mobility or just getting this thing pissed off, then it's like, okay, I've just got to do this.
01:58:24.000But beyond that, there's this product from a new chapter called Zyflamend.
01:58:29.000And it's really, really pretty slick as far as an anti-inflammatory.
01:58:35.000It pulls some ginger extracts, curcumin.
01:58:39.000They do a supercritical extract on it.
01:58:43.000And that can, for a lot of people, like I haven't found that it works as well on that.
01:58:49.000Pain and inflammation reduction when my back gets really spicy, but it's pretty darn good.
01:58:55.000And everything that's in it, you can make some arguments it would be pretty beneficial over the long haul, like it's these COX-2 pathways modifiers, but it does it in a different way than what the ibuprofen does.
02:00:11.000Aspirin has some benefit, but it's kind of an interesting mixed bag, too, to take enough of it to get a really potent effect like you would if somebody had a back spasm or something like that.
02:00:21.000You're looking at the potential of GI bleeding.
02:00:23.000You have a really potent blood thinning effect.
02:00:26.000So, I mean, aspirin's a little bit dodgy in that regard.
02:00:30.000If you have that really acute deal that you're...
02:00:34.000But it is a possibly interesting side note.
02:00:37.000Aspirin, like a baby aspirin a day, there's some studies that have suggested that women taking that baby aspirin a day, it could reduce breast cancer potentiality by like 70% because of the anti-angiogenic effects of the aspirin.
02:00:52.000Now, I've read some things about the ketogenic diet and cancer, and that is very fascinating to me, about having these high fat, low complex carbohydrates, low simple carbohydrate diets can have a great benefit on reducing the fuel that cancer needs to stay alive.
02:01:28.000Not all cancers fall into this category, though.
02:01:30.000Some cancers are super metabolically flexible and they can use just about anything as a fuel source.
02:01:36.000So there's a benefit for potentially breast, colon, prostate, glioblastoma, a couple of other endothelial-derived cancers that just directly that reduction in glucose level may be really beneficial.
02:01:51.000There's another layer to it, though, that that low glucose environment and that shift towards ketosis tends to set up this kind of stress response.
02:02:00.000So we actually have a little bit of oxidative stress occurring in the mitochondria I think?
02:02:27.000But that fasting state, while you're also in ketosis, it reduces your pool of this substance called glutathione, which is our normal antioxidant defense network.
02:02:37.000So interestingly, and maybe counterintuitively, they're trying to reduce your antioxidant pool.
02:02:53.000So it's a, it's an interesting thing because a lot of, uh...
02:02:58.000People in the kind of alternative cancer treatment scene, you know, they'll start dosing people on super high antioxidants with the thought that some of the etiology of cancer may be driven by free radicals, by oxidative damage.
02:03:10.000And there may be some truth to that, but it's kind of like the horse is out of the barn at this point.
02:03:16.000They're kind of tackling it in the wrong way.
02:03:19.000When they're using high dose vitamin C, they're using it intravenously, and even though vitamin C is touted as an antioxidant, it can be a pro-oxidant at high concentrations.
02:03:30.000So it may be a situation where you get the glutathione pool depleted, you hit these people with high dose vitamin C, and then they maybe do hyperbaric oxygen.
02:03:41.000Where they go into a pressurized canister and they do pure O2, and that increases the oxidative stress, and that may be another adjunctive treatment to this.
02:03:51.000But that's all of these different mechanisms that are kind of an outgrowth of the ketogenic diet going on in the background.
02:04:03.000I mean, I live on a little three-acre farm in Reno, and so it's cold frequently, and I have like a tub of water, and every once in a while when I stack up, I'll go out there and sit in it, but it's rough, man.
02:04:16.000It's not like you don't throw ice in there or anything.
02:04:18.000Well, I mean, there's usually, for much of the year, there's a little layer of ice on the top of it, and so I've got to like chisel that out.
02:04:27.000No, I mean, it's somewhere slightly above freezing because, you know, it's got an inch or two of ice on the top of it.
02:04:34.000But after you had Rhonda Patrick on here, I kind of opted more for the hot sauna kind of deal because I'm like, dude, that's a lot more fun.
02:04:42.000That's way easier, and it seems really positive, too.
02:05:22.000It's just like this hot as balls sauna, 140 degrees plus.
02:05:25.000And I would sit in there as long as I could, 15, 20 minutes.
02:05:28.000And man, when I finally break and I want out, it's like if there was an old person in front of me getting out of there, I would push them down.
02:05:36.000I mean, it's panic getting out of there.
02:07:03.000So they have the strength work as part of this whole thing, pressing and pulling and all kinds of trunk work and everything, but each strength movement has a mobility movement paired with it.
02:07:12.000So it's really interesting because as you get stronger doing this stuff, there's a tendency to get tighter.
02:07:18.000So they just kind of bake the mobility movement into the cake with that.
02:07:22.000But then they also have a three-day-a-week stretching sequence.
02:07:25.000One's the front splits, one's the side splits, and then the other one is thoracic mobility for like a backbend.
02:07:55.000A meditation app, like doing something like Brainwave, like the binaural beats.
02:08:00.000I'm so wound tight and kind of type A that if I can just like sit down, go outside, look at the trees, do five minutes on that thing, do some kind of cyclic breathing, that's amazing for me.
02:08:11.000Like that is a really, really good system reset for me.
02:08:14.000Have you done any isolation tank work?
02:09:30.000It's an interesting environment, because you have brothels around there, you have the gambling, but then there was this pretty draconian approach to really minor drug offenses, that they should be offenses at all.
02:09:46.000Now, have you messed around at all with CBD oil or CBDs, which is non-psychoactive but has tremendous beneficial properties for anti-inflammation?
02:09:54.000I have not, and it's one of those things that's like on the list to do.
02:09:59.000I would think that when I was asking you about anti-inflammation things, CBD apparently has profound effects.
02:10:07.000What's interesting about CBD is that everything that you would think is good about a paleo, ketogenic diet, sleeping well, exercising right, CBD does it effectively.
02:10:20.000Now, it doesn't work the same in every single person, and you need to kind of play around with that.
02:10:26.000But when you just look at the pharmacology, you look at the research on it, and you look at all this other cool stuff that's been done by dietary interventions elsewhere and lifestyle interventions, then the CBD oil hits all of those pieces.
02:11:05.000But I wonder how much of that anxiety is dependent or caused by inflammation.
02:11:11.000They just had some great studies that were looking at alterations in gut microbiome and inflammatory status and depression and anxiety.
02:11:21.000And it was basically if they shifted things such that the gut microbiome looked healthier, the depression and anxiety basically disappeared.
02:11:27.000And then, you know, it could shift the other way.
02:11:29.000And it's interesting, again, where if you add something...
02:11:32.000So not everybody's going to change their diet.
02:11:34.000And I advocate for that and push and shove, but the reality is our world is sent up and incentivized to not do that.
02:11:43.000The big junk food manufacturers, they study how to make this stuff addictive.
02:12:06.000Well, you could have something like CBD oil where you put it in a little bite of chocolate and the person has it one or two times a day or whatever the dosing regimen is.
02:12:14.000And maybe it puts their ulcerative colitis into remission.
02:12:27.000If you are going to stay up and work, put on some blue blockers so it doesn't mess with your sleep patterns as much.
02:12:32.000But it's a really accessible, inexpensive, no-risk proposition that could add some really huge benefits for people.
02:12:41.000Yeah, I think what you said, too, that this system is sort of set up to get people to eat these crappy foods and make them incredibly available and very difficult to pass up.
02:12:51.000And once you start eating them, you consume them on a daily basis, your body starts craving them, you get addicted to them.
02:12:57.000I was at the supermarket the other day, and I was under the influence, and I was always wandering through the aisles.
02:13:02.000It was one of those weird moments where I went, has this always been like this?
02:13:06.000I was just looking at these cans of food.
02:14:16.000Unless you're going to a really good natural food store, you're probably inundated with that stuff.
02:14:23.000If you go to the regular Vons and just walk down the aisle, man, you're going to get hit with so much of this shit.
02:14:30.000Right, and it's interesting because...
02:14:34.000The folks that make these foods, they study neurophysiology, they study evolutionary biology, they study how to make things addictive.
02:14:42.000So it's kind of funny on the one hand where the gatekeepers, the medical establishment, a lot of the media, if you talk about this ancestral health template or what have you, there's still a bunch of pissing match and contention around that.
02:14:55.000Whereas the people who are making these foods addictive, they fully get it, but they're using it in such a way that they're like, okay, here's our predilection to eat more and move less.
02:15:04.000Here's how we're going to make that happen.
02:15:05.000And we have these really interesting flavor combinations and different experiences.
02:15:55.000An ice cream sundae is pretty tasty, you know, and it's hyper palatable.
02:15:59.000Like, it would make you want to eat it.
02:16:00.000But what happens to him is he gets completely bogged down in this process and can't go on until he orders a plate of extra salty, extra crunchy french fries.
02:16:10.000So he's actually gagging on the ice cream.
02:16:16.000And the way that he gets out of this situation is by eating more food.
02:16:21.000He would not have finished the sundae were it not for eating the french fries.
02:16:26.000And so you have this situation where woven into our genetics is this process called palate fatigue, where even if we have a really tasty food in front of us, we will get bored of it and then we'll want something else.
02:16:39.000And if you have that other thing, that something else immediately available, and it's different enough from the thing that you just got bored with, You can eat more in total, and it's just so interesting.
02:16:50.000He would have failed eating this ice cream sundae were it just the sundae.
02:16:55.000But not only did he eat the sundae, he ate probably about 1,500 calories of extra salty, extra crunchy french fries.
02:19:36.000There should be no morality around it.
02:19:37.000Like, if we just understand this is your basic biological wiring.
02:19:41.000And if you understand that, and it's not your fault, but let's do something, then we can at least decouple ourselves from the emotionality and the drama and the guilt that we've had around this, and we can start making some changes.
02:19:52.000But so many times, the reason why I've heard from people that they peel out of some sort of a new way of eating or lifestyle is Is it they're motoring along, they seem to be doing well, and then they're like, they're just gone.
02:20:06.000And then you talk to them and they're like, oh, it was just hard.
02:20:21.000And when I started putting this kind of...
02:20:24.000Spin of this evolutionary biology and this neuroregulation of appetite into working with people, particularly people who had had difficulties with eating over the long haul and maybe like some, you know, weird relationships with food or what have you.
02:20:38.000There was like this light that went on.
02:20:39.000They're like, okay, so it's not my fault.
02:20:41.000I'm like, no, man, it's not your fault.
02:20:43.000And it's not necessarily going to be easy, but we can do this.
02:20:47.000And if you aren't beating yourself up about the fact that this thing is a difficult process, then we're going to be able to get a lot further down the road.
02:20:54.000Are there any foods that when you do go off the rails, like say if you have a cheat day and you have a, oh my god, I'm going to eat a whole pizza and a bowl of spaghetti and some fucking ice cream, is there any foods that can counterbalance the damaging effects or the addictive properties?
02:21:11.000Because the worst thing you want to do is have a cheat day and go, oh fuck it, I'm just going to be a slob.
02:22:00.000Let's just say 19 of those meals are pretty on point and two of them are kind of kick your heels up to whatever and do it whenever you want to do it.
02:22:07.000The caveat to that is, are there things that are going to flip you out and you're not going to come back from it, you know?
02:23:35.000But it's still a really good idea, though.
02:23:36.000They shouldn't have done it, and that's why they stopped doing that commercial, because people said, fuck Reese's, I'm just going to buy a chocolate bar and a big-ass tub of peanut butter and have a party.
02:24:07.000And it's, you know, for me, I'm not trying to moralize it or say this is right or that's wrong, but just being aware that, like, stacking those flavor combinations, like, in general, if you can make your meals enjoyable but not over the top to the To the point that you're overdoing it.
02:24:25.000And it's just different for everybody.
02:24:27.000That sounds like you're saying enjoy it, but don't enjoy it too much.
02:25:43.000It's a tiny hair-sized probe that goes through the skin.
02:25:47.000And then it samples the blood, the interstitial fluid once a minute for the duration that you have this thing on.
02:25:53.000Usually wear it two or three weeks and yeah.
02:25:56.000I was using one of those ketone monitors where you have to cut yourself, but it doesn't make me bleed, because I have too many calluses in my hand, so I'd stick it in the fingers, and my fingertip skin is too thick, so I'd have to go to the side of my hand, and it's fucking gross to jab myself in the side of my fingers.
02:28:25.000In part, it's just partially digested, so it's easier to digest and absorb.
02:28:32.000To the degree that there's some problems with like gliadin, wheat germ, gluten, and those proteins get broken down.
02:28:38.000So I would say that there's a lower likelihood of those foods being pro-inflammatory.
02:28:43.000So if somebody's like, dude, I want a sandwich, then doing the Ezekiel bread and doing it on that, to me, would be a pretty good wing compared to doing like Wonder Bread.
02:28:51.000Now, is there any nutritional properties or benefits to eating that bread?
02:28:55.000Is there anything like you could say, like, I'm eating something good?
02:28:58.000The fact that it's a whole grain and it hasn't been super denuded and processed, you're going to have more B vitamins, you could have more minerals.
02:29:06.000So in general, like if we were to weigh out, you know, say 100 grams of this, 100 grams of that, there's going to be more vitamins, minerals, antioxidants in the Ezekiel bread than in the white bread.
02:29:17.000Even though the white bread gets enriched, With iron and some B vitamins, I would say that the Ezekiel bread is still probably a win.
02:30:05.000But there's a good argument again, but, you know, it's like that shelf-stability thing.
02:30:09.000This is part of the hallmark of something that's maybe not a great option, other than chicharrones.
02:30:14.000Chicharrones could last a million years, and they're still amazing, but...
02:30:18.000There's an exception to everything, but there was economic and pallet incentives for why you would want to make this white flour, but also people started getting more nutrient deficiencies because the amount of B vitamins and whatnot that usually come in that whole grain were gone.
02:31:12.000Like, again, so if we did a nutrient density kind of story, and we looked at that Ezekiel Bragg compared to...
02:31:22.000Good types of fruit, vegetables, squash.
02:31:25.000I think that the Ezekiel bread would look pretty skinny.
02:31:28.000Like if you had 100 calories of this versus 100 calories of these.
02:31:32.000But again, we looked at the vitamins, minerals, antioxidants that both of them had.
02:31:37.000I don't think the Ezekiel bread would be a real rock star, but I bet it would be better than white rice.
02:31:43.000It would probably be as good or on par with something like lentils or something like that, again, as far as vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, all that stuff.
02:31:51.000So that's weird to me because I would think that lentils would be vitamin rich.
02:31:55.000Not huge, but they're not terrible either.
02:31:58.000I mean, it's just all this kind of relative thing.
02:32:01.000And, you know, Rhonda Patrick is really good about this stuff.
02:32:04.000She's really geeked out on what are the most nutrient-dense foods out there and trying to really make an emphasis of eating those.
02:32:11.000And so, like, sprouts tend to be at the top of the list.
02:32:14.000And then, interestingly, things like organ meats are super high up on the list, and it starts kind of stratifying out.
02:32:21.000Herbs and spices tend to be off the Richter high in nutrient density, but we tend to not eat a ton of them.
02:32:28.000But, you know, like ginger and basil and garlic and all those things are really, really nutrient-dense.
02:32:32.000And they also seem to have medicinal qualities and antimicrobial qualities.
02:32:36.000So there's some interesting stuff there.
02:32:39.000But, you know, at the end of the day, You know, you could.
02:33:16.000Now, getting back to what I asked you earlier, is there a food that you would recommend for a guy who did eat that one pound bag of potato chips?
02:33:24.000Is there anything, or is fasting maybe the best option?
02:34:11.000Like you could walk into a work environment or, you know, like post your photos on Instagram about eating, having a big gulp and donuts and all this other fucked up stuff.
02:34:20.000And most dieticians won't really bat an eye at that.
02:34:23.000They're like, yeah, you should eat better, but they're not going to say anything.
02:34:26.000But if you post some stuff about a low-carb, paleo kind of looking deal, then you're a disordered eater.
02:34:31.000Or if you eat gluten-free, then they call it disordered eating.
02:34:34.000Intermittent fasting is being called disordered eating.
02:35:02.000And there's some clear problems with that from an inflammation standpoint.
02:35:07.000They've done some studies where they had people eat a caloric-restricted diet, which should be anti-inflammatory, but the one group of calorie-restricted folks eat consistently throughout the day, Yeah.
02:35:37.000It's interesting on the one hand, just being really aggressively researched in the kind of cutting edge communities like Rhonda Patrick, Walter Longo, Dom talks about this stuff a lot.
02:35:49.000But then when you get into kind of this mainstream dietetics, Story.
02:35:54.000They're just freaked out by this stuff.
02:35:55.000Like they really can't wrap their heads around it.
02:35:57.000Those same people probably aren't even freaked out about those lap bands.
02:36:01.000Those disgusting bands that they put around people's stomachs.
02:37:14.000So the interesting thing is, almost immediately when people undergo these procedures, if they were a type 2 diabetic, they come out of it and they're no longer a type 2 diabetic.
02:37:31.000But then also the long-term, you know, two years, three years, four years, almost inevitably they get themselves back into the situation they were in.
02:37:39.000And part of what's interesting is because they have such a small stomach, they can't hardly eat anything.
02:37:45.000So there's a tendency towards eating more refined food because that's, you know, they just can't eat that much.
02:38:23.000If you have willpower, if you have a mind, if you have a support system, if you have people that can coach you, if you're willing to listen, if you're willing to understand and believe the consequences of your actions, you can change your diet and your behavior.
02:38:41.000It's interesting because insurance will reimburse for these, like, lap band and gastric bypass surgeries, and they're $30,000, $40,000 to pump people through it, but it's really difficult to get them to reimburse, like, a gym membership, a health coach, you know,
02:39:10.000It's just very, very frustrating for me when you tell people that they don't have any other options and that this is the best option to cut you open and cut your stomach and stitch it back to a smaller version of what it is.
02:39:24.000Well, and did you see that thing where they now have a stomach pump?
02:39:32.000You can eat the food and then pump the food out of the stomach.
02:39:35.000And this thing is awaiting FDA approval.
02:39:39.000So they used to, in Roman times, this is where, like, you know, the bread and circus just keeping everybody entertained and the whole thing collapses.
02:39:47.000But they used to have the vomitoriums where people would eat.
02:40:01.000This is something that I've gone into in great detail, and I went to the Colosseum in Rome, and they were explaining the vomitorium, and it's just a misnomer.
02:40:09.000Joe, you're crushing my whole- Yeah, you shouldn't be saying that.
02:40:11.000But- But this is crushing my whole, like, Rome fell, we're gonna fall, these guys used to throw up, and now we're doing it too.
02:41:23.000Like, go larger, please, so I can see that.
02:41:26.000A series of entrances or exit passages in ancient Roman amphitheater or theater, a place where which, according to popular misconception, the ancient Romans were supposed to have vomited during feasts to make room for more food.
02:43:12.000Even for a person like me who's never really struggled with their weight, I find that going without food is not only is it easy, but it's really inconsequential.
02:44:42.000Some people that seem to never really be able to get anything else to work, it's possible they may have some damage to the hypothalamus, the energy regulating centers of the brain.
02:44:52.000It's unclear what's going on, but we know that a ketogenic diet has some really great benefits for neurological conditions in general, like epilepsy, there's some Parkinson's, Alzheimer's research that's going on.
02:45:06.000But it's possible that these ketones may be altering the physiology of the hypothalamus in such a way that we get normal energy regulation of metabolism and appetite, more importantly.
02:47:34.000So blood glucose, free fatty acids, and ketone body levels during his fast.
02:47:40.000So his blood glucose, that second from the top line, the triangles, it dropped and then was just rock solid.
02:47:47.000Beta-hydroxybutyrate, which is the main ketone body that gets used as a fuel substrate.
02:47:55.000That goes up to a pretty high level, higher than what you would get under a nutritional ketosis typically, because this is a starvation deal.
02:48:02.000Free fatty acids elevate, acetoacetate elevates, acetoacetate kind of interconverts with the beta-hydroxybutyrate.
02:48:08.000But what's interesting to your point about the mental state If we were graphing someone's blood glucose over time for this period of 40 days and they were eating normal mixed meals, that thing would be seesawing all over the place.
02:48:23.000I don't understand how he has any glucose.
02:48:25.000Because of gluconeogenesis in the liver.
02:48:28.000So he's even eating absolutely no carbohydrate at all.
02:48:34.000There's a glycerol backbone of fat that can get converted into glucose.
02:48:39.000And then also certain amino acids, which are gluconeogenic, can get converted into glucose.
02:48:44.000And so the body will use those because we still need, like just making DNA, the pentose phosphate pathway, we need some glucose to be able to do that.
02:48:53.000So like cellular replication and whatnot, but you can do that with effectively no carbs.
02:48:58.000So without dietary glucose, the body converts fat to glucose.
02:49:02.000Some of the backbone of fat, the glycerol part, and then also proteins.
02:49:06.000But with this guy, it's not even proteins unless his body's eating his meat.
02:49:10.000Which they probably did to some degree, but this is part of the benefit of ketosis is that it really reduces the breakdown of lean body mass.
02:49:20.000But if you think about it, like there are people who end up with these huge...
02:49:59.000But you could potentially have a scenario where people who are losing a lot of weight, if they use these fasting protocols, aren't going to need that cosmetic surgery at the end to get rid of these sales of skin.
02:50:29.000Whereas, like, a lot of the people that you saw in, like, The Biggest Loser, like, they had that stuff, and they were using a higher carb, moderate protein kind of calorie-restricted deal.
02:50:41.000Sorry to interrupt, does your body have the ability to understand that the skin that's hanging loose is not necessary?
02:50:47.000Yeah, just kind of mechanoreceptors, this piezoelectric effect, the feedback of all that, yeah.
02:50:52.000What about people that have lost all the weight in another fashion, and now they've gotten themselves into this really thin body with all this extra skin, could they go on a fasting protocol then, and would the body absorb that skin tissue first before it started eating up the muscle tissue?
02:51:08.000I... Possibly, but the challenge with that is that because they've already decreased their fat mass, like are they now leading this into an unhealthy state?
02:51:18.000So what if they decided, let me fatten up again?
02:51:21.000Like maybe the move would be to fatten up again and get yourself obese again and then go on this...
02:51:28.000I mean, you're laughing, but honestly, wouldn't that be the move?
02:51:31.000To get yourself fat again and then going on a fasting...
02:51:35.000Like, this guy's medically monitored fasting.
02:51:38.000And then your body would absorb the fat again and the skin tissue.
02:52:07.000And then maybe four out of the five days, four out of seven days, you're low protein, and two or three of those days, you're super low calorie.
02:52:17.000What if you tried that and it didn't work?
02:53:09.000So I mean a bunch of the stuff like the ice cream deal, like I talk about that stuff in the book.
02:53:15.000It's, you know, it's steeped in this evolutionary medicine perspective, but I'm really, if I'm effective with this, I'm really trying to decouple people or like unpack all the emotionality that they've got around food.
02:53:27.000Like if they've found challenges around changing their diet and lifestyle, It shouldn't be a surprise, and it's not their fault.
02:53:34.000But at the same time, I don't want them to just roll over and give up.
02:53:37.000Like, we've got ways to move them through a process of discovering what works for them, what doesn't work for them, and we can motor forward.
02:53:45.000But I would say, like, 50-60% of the people that end up failing in this process, it's kind of emotional baggage type stuff.
02:54:03.000And similarly, doing diet and lifestyle changes frequently is pretty difficult.
02:54:08.000And so if you can just understand that and understand that that's normal and you're not beating yourself up about that process, then we really stand a much better chance of turning that corner and making these effective longstanding changes.
02:54:23.000Alright, so the book is out right now.