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00:02:41.000You put them on, you feel like you're in a horror movie.
00:02:44.000Or you're in one of those scenes in one of those stupid Ghostbuster shows where they're down in the basement and they always have night vision on.
00:03:22.000The idea of being in a tight, one of those tight little caves you have to squeeze your body through in the pitch dark and then your headlamp goes out.
00:03:28.000I was just listening to a podcast about this family that owns a ranch in Texas and they had these small caves that these kids would explore in.
00:03:38.000And then they allowed some cavers, some local cave explorers, to go and check it out.
00:03:44.000And they crawled through this really small three-foot diameter hole, literally crawled through it, and found two football field-sized caves inside, and then found out that there's literally miles of cave systems inside.
00:04:26.000And I don't understand why other people don't freak out about that.
00:04:29.000Like, I'll wake up in a hotel room and I forgot to, or there's no light at all on for whatever reason, I'll freak out because I don't know where I am.
00:04:37.000See, look what I'm already admitting to millions of people.
00:06:14.000I think somewhere along the line, Portland became a place that pretentious people gravitated to because they wanted to identify, like, I'm white and I have dreadlocks.
00:06:42.000I keep waiting to come across the cage where they keep them in one corner of the city, because then it's amazing, especially in the core of Portland, the main part.
00:11:30.000But the main one was that they were attracted to him because during the campaign, at least, he was saying things that sounded like he was a non interventionist in foreign policy.
00:12:43.000Re-enlisted because he believes that the UFC, or the UFC, he believes that the military now has the backing and the support from the president and that this is going to be great and they can do their job now.
00:12:54.000Does Tim Kennedy want to serve in combat?
00:13:11.000Yes, he wants to kill ISIS. He's about ISIS. Oh, dude, he gives his address out to ISIS. Puts his address on the internet and says, fuck ISIS. Come get me.
00:13:49.000I'm interested in people's personal histories and how it's connected to their current ideas, right?
00:13:54.000The roots of their political ideas, where do they come from?
00:13:57.000So it requires people who are self-aware about themselves, and a lot of people aren't.
00:14:02.000But so far, my guests are people who really have a sense of the connections between what happened in their childhood and their early development.
00:14:11.000It's a really interesting thing if you can get people to do that, to connect those things, to weave them together.
00:14:16.000So, I mean, Tim Kennedy might know where his ideas about serving in the military come from, other than, you know, my dad did it or whatever it was.
00:14:25.000But that's what I'm interested in doing.
00:14:27.000And this form, like what you're doing here, the long form, I love it.
00:15:18.000I mean, so you go kind of, you're always going in and out of people's personal histories and their psychology and then into their ideas and into big abstract stuff and then history and philosophy and science, right?
00:15:26.000You're going in and always back and forth and in and out, connecting those things, weaving them together.
00:16:01.000And most people are not the same person who they were if you're pulling a quote from them from two years ago or five years ago or whatever.
00:17:43.000Like in the 1970s and 1980s, when you and I were growing up, there were three broadcast networks that all said the same thing on the news shows.
00:17:51.000There were three that all said the same thing because the FCC wouldn't allow any competitors to come into the market.
00:17:58.000And Rupert Murdoch broke that open, right?
00:18:01.000And then since then, it's just been flooded.
00:18:02.000So now we have how many channels, how many networks, and now podcasts.
00:18:06.000So when I was coming up as an academic in the 90s, if your book didn't get reviewed in the New York Times, or if you were an author of any kind, and your book didn't get reviewed in the New York Times, you were not going to make a living as a writer.
00:18:22.000You had to get reviewed in the New York Times, and it had to be a positive review.
00:18:25.000That was the only gatekeeper to success as an author.
00:18:28.000Now, the New York Times is one of, you know, a hundred different places or a thousand different places that matter when you're writing books.
00:18:36.000My book, Renegade History of the United States, was ignored entirely by the New York Times, and I know why, but it didn't really matter.
00:18:44.000Oh, because it says all the things you're not supposed to say if you're a good liberal, left liberal, bi-coastal elite person from university.
00:19:08.000He didn't even mention jazz until late into his career, and only once he thought black people should sing classical music, European classical music, or gospel.
00:19:19.000You know, very respectable, very Christian, very good citizen kind of stuff.
00:19:24.000And he hated the flamboyant black preachers who were Whooping and hollering in their churches and speaking in black dialect.
00:19:31.000He wanted all black people to speak correct American English.
00:19:37.000He was opposed to a lot of dancing that was going on.
00:19:41.000Just all the stuff that we love in black culture, Martin Luther King was opposed to.
00:19:46.000It wasn't because he was just an uptight puritanical prick.
00:19:49.000It was because of his strategy and his objective, which was to seek full citizenship, right?
00:19:56.000In a way, it wasn't his fault entirely.
00:19:58.000You have to prove yourself always in this country, historically, that you are just like white people to get all the good stuff, to get the vote, to get equal protection under the law.
00:20:16.000It sucks that that's even a thought, that the only way to achieve quote-unquote full citizenship is to ignore all the things that make black culture special, like comedy, like jazz, like rap, like just slang,
00:20:33.000just all the cool shit that black people have figured out, like the things to say that white people have ruined, like bro.
00:20:41.000Bro used to be like a cool thing that black people say to each other, and now it's like an insult for a dummy, like a frat dummy's a bro now.
00:20:49.000Well, just think about America now if black people had never been here.
00:21:40.000That's African-American history, actually, is ordinary black people Who aren't interested in being just like white people and doing their thing, you know, since slavery, just doing their thing and being called niggers by whites.
00:21:56.000And also, and this is what people don't know, civil rights leaders since slavery, like black political leaders who wanted citizenship, attacking them for their culture just as harshly as the Ku Klux Klan did.
00:22:09.000If you look at what Frederick Douglass said about slave culture If you look at what W.E.B. Du Bois sometimes said about slave culture and black culture, then Martin Luther King, A. Philip Randolph, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, all the way through, they are saying the harshest,
00:22:25.000nastiest things about black, working class, popular culture.
00:23:39.000Do black people still say stuff in their hip-hop songs that is not respectable, even more than ever?
00:23:47.000I don't think black people are thinking, when they're doing their hip-hop songs, they're not thinking that they're representing all black people.
00:23:54.000They're thinking they're representing their vision.
00:23:55.000They're representing what they see on the street, what they see in their neighborhoods.
00:24:04.000People who actually are from those neighborhoods, where there really aren't any white people, if they're from the projects or they're from...
00:24:11.000You know, these poor black neighborhoods that are famous, right?
00:24:14.000I mean, by and large, and we know this from what they say in their art, you know, don't give a shit about what white people think about them, right?
00:24:23.000They're not interested in citizenship.
00:24:24.000They're not interested in being good Americans.
00:24:27.000They're doing their thing, as you just said.
00:24:28.000I mean, they're interested in representing, seems to me, they're interested in representing their aspirations.
00:25:37.000Well, certainly young white suburban kids that grow up in these safe sheltered environments always adopt that sort of radical, badass, black rapper sort of listening to their music, wearing their pants low,
00:25:54.000like sagging, doing all that stuff, co-opting various aspects of black culture that seem to be dangerous.
00:26:56.000That was my first gym, and I walked in the first day, and I had never done anything like that.
00:27:01.000And I walked in, and there was Joe, and I was like, okay, if people like that are going to be doing this, I'm not having any part of this, because he was just terrifying.
00:28:33.000I was worried that we were going to fight about this, but I think we're on the same page here.
00:28:37.000He's on such another level with his footwork and movement.
00:28:41.000I just can't come up with a comparable...
00:28:43.000I mean, there's been some amazing boxers way back to Sugar Ray Robinson and Willie Pep and all those guys paved the way, but I feel like every Everything evolves, right?
00:28:54.000Every combat sport, even art and music evolves to the current state it's at now, which you get the best of the best right now and you go, wow, they've learned from Ali and Sugary Leonard and Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins.
00:29:07.000And Lomachenko is, in my eyes, is the best.
00:29:14.000Floyd Mayweather, who is arguably the best ever, you know, multiple-time world champion in multiple divisions, 49-0, only been like hit solid maybe seven, eight times his whole career.
00:29:27.000I saw him once when he got a little rocked by Shane Mosley.
00:29:38.000Much more defensive oriented, brilliantly defensive, very economical with his approach, but brittle hands, hurts his hands, breaks his hands a lot.
00:30:17.000So let me just say, so here's my history with Lomachenko.
00:30:19.000So, like, I forget, it was like four or five years ago, I thought Gary Russell Jr. was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and I still think he's just phenomenal.
00:31:28.000Here's why I think that he is the next Ali, which is that just in the last year, every boxing gym I've gone to, people have taught Lomachenko's moves, like as a standard part of classes.
00:32:51.000So if you deal with guys like Eddie Bravo or Hoyler Gracie or Barrett Yoshida, like the really little guys are the guys who have this stellar technique.
00:33:01.000Because they don't have the physical strength.
00:33:03.000With Lomachenko, you've seen the same thing.
00:34:52.000I think the first time I was on here a couple of years ago, I said at the end that I wanted to be a surfer deep down, you know, like I love what I do and being a historian and all this stuff.
00:34:59.000But deep down, I wanted to be a surfer.
00:35:05.000Well, a lot of people that are intellectuals, a lot of people that live almost like a sedentary lifestyle because you're constantly in front of books or computer screens, they long for this sense of adventure.
00:35:18.000Most academics, and maybe this is one of the reasons I had to leave that profession, or I'm trying to leave that profession, is that I've always been a physical person, too.
00:35:28.000I've always been just in touch with my body in various ways.
00:35:31.000I've always been into sports, playing them.
00:35:55.000Like this conversation right now we had about boxing, if you just took that clip that last 10 minutes and you put that in front of, and you sent that to every historian in the country, I mean, my reputation would be done.
00:37:05.000So when you teach jujitsu, what you're doing is, and this goes for anything if you're teaching how to fix a bike, you're taking all these complex ideas, and this is what you're a master at, You take all these really complex ideas and you package them.
00:37:18.000You break them down into little bite-sized components and then hand them over to the person.
00:37:23.000You give them so that they can consume it and understand it instead of just saying, oh, that's a Japanese necktie.
00:37:34.000But you're like, okay, no, the elbow goes here.
00:37:36.000I mean, a lot of jujitsu instructors do this too, of course, but like, you know, the elbow goes right here, an inch down there, and then the knees here, and then the right.
00:37:43.000And so it's, but it's just like what I do.
00:37:45.000I mean, you take these really complex, abstract concepts, you know, that, and you give them back to people who are completely new to them.
00:37:56.000Not dumb it down, but distill it, right?
00:37:59.000You have to like bring the essential components down and get rid of all the extraneous stuff and then just hand it over to them in this very clear, simple way.
00:38:07.000And then you can give them the next part and then you connect that and then you connect that and next thing you know, they have this new radical concept of Martin Luther King or they can do a Japanese necktie.
00:38:18.000That's what separates someone who's a really good teacher versus someone who has maybe some real skill at something but isn't good at communicating.
00:38:27.000Like breaking it down into a system, like a step-by-step progression system.
00:39:58.000Do you find that when you teach things that it helps you better understand them, too, because you go over them from a real fundamental perspective?
00:40:06.000So you don't – and that was the first thing I learned when I started teaching was that I thought I knew Plato really well, you know, until I started – until I knew that I had to teach him the next day.
00:41:07.000And I didn't realize how much it helped me until I started doing jujitsu and I watched other people who started teaching jujitsu just jump ahead by leaps and bounds from where they were.
00:41:41.000And like teaching full-time and then all of a sudden I would roll with him and I'd be in great danger.
00:41:47.000I'd be like Jesus and I had a conversation with him once after training with him like dude I don't know what the fuck you're doing but your game has jumped like four or five steps ahead.
00:41:57.000I feel like I'm the same as I was six, seven months ago, and he was like years ahead.
00:42:28.000And I came from this little dipshit college in Ohio, and I was a C student in high school, so I had extra insecurity, but...
00:42:35.000Once I started teaching it and forcing myself to, as you said, learn the thing all the way through it and master it, and then teaching it, that's when I felt, oh, yeah, I belong here.
00:43:03.000Everybody I know that sort of, like, started to make it, like, as they're, like, starting to headline and go on the road places and do television sets and things along those lines, you feel like a fraud.
00:45:09.000Yeah, okay, but here's the, so that stuff, that really sort of loony stuff, you know, that you hear coming out or protest, you know, people saying that they are gonna die because you said a word, that happens.
00:46:31.000If you are an adjunct like me with no job security, or if you're an assistant professor up for tenure, and if you don't get tenure, you have no career, I don't blame them.
00:46:42.000I've policed myself, because you have to to stay in the game.
00:46:45.000If you have tenure, lifetime appointment, you're a senior professor, you make the decisions there on curriculum, hiring, and firing, and tenure.
00:49:29.000I think there's a spectrum of humans in every single aspect of being a person.
00:49:33.000I should say I heard your conversation with him, and I could see, and this was interesting to me, it was exciting, because I could actually see you moving in a direction that I found to be much more interesting than his, which is closer to mine, which is, yeah, that it's fluid.
00:49:49.000In fact, here we go, merging all these topics together, one of the top Muay Thai fighters recently, I don't know if she's still fighting, is a ladyboy in Thailand, you know?
00:49:59.000Well, once she got the operation, her performance dropped off pretty radically.
00:50:03.000But that's just a lack of testosterone.
00:50:05.000And I know your thing about Fallon Fox.
00:51:01.000She doesn't look like she has, but that doesn't mean anything either.
00:51:04.000But she's so fucking badass and so technical and so tough that she's fought men, but she knew they were a man going in, she made a decision, just like I think you should be allowed to skydive, just like I think you should be allowed to ride bulls.
00:51:16.000I don't think it's smart, but you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do.
00:51:19.000I'm all for freedom of expression, of participation in any sort of dangerous activity.
00:51:25.000My issue, 100%, was that people are trying to pretend that there's no advantage whatsoever.
00:51:59.000And I think a lot of it is people worried about being called transphobic or homophobic or in any way prejudiced, where they're allowing certain people to compete.
00:52:10.000Like this woman in Australia, the trans woman in Australia that just broke all these world records in weightlifting because she was a fucking man her whole life.
00:52:40.000When I saw her in the Olympics, it just jumped out at me.
00:52:44.000Pull that up because I'm pretty sure that that woman actually has been tested, and then there was a real issue behind it, and she felt terrible about it because it was just the way she was born.
00:57:05.000It's like I would want rules established defining the physical characteristics of any of my potential opponents, right?
00:57:14.000So it could be whatever, bone density, muscle mass, you know, testosterone levels, you name it.
00:57:21.000You could probably speak to this better than I could, but I'm sure there's all sorts of ways you could actually define that pretty precisely.
00:57:27.000And you can test those things, and you can say, okay, you get to be in this.
00:57:32.000I mean, you're not allowed to fight someone who's 30 pounds lighter than you are.
00:57:38.000And so you could do that in any sport.
00:57:40.000You could say, right, if you're above a certain height or above a certain weight or have this much muscle or that much testosterone, you're not allowed in this category.
00:57:55.000The problem was that Fallon Fox had, as you said, more muscle, more testosterone, all these physical characteristics that were fundamentally different than all of the other women fighting in that category in that particular game.
00:58:34.000When you talk to board-certified endocrinologists, when they talk about trans people, One of the things that they talk about is the fact that when you take estrogen, it actually maintains bone density.
00:58:45.000It's the reason why they give estrogen to women who have osteoporosis.
00:58:48.000So this idea that your bone density decreases when you go from being a man to a woman, it's bullshit.
00:58:54.000You're taking testosterone, your bone density is going to stay the same or get thicker.
00:59:00.000But if you're taking estrogen, your bone density is also going to maintain.
00:59:06.000So when you remove the body's ability to produce testosterone There was a whole article in Bloody Elbow, MMA, by this board-certified endocrinologist, Dr. Ramona Krutzik, and what she did different than everything else,
00:59:22.000all these other articles, is she's not a gender reassignment surgeon, okay?
00:59:27.000All these other people that are commenting on this have a vested interest in it being completely neutral.
00:59:33.000There's all these people that are trans people that are commenting on it, and they're doing it from a very biased perspective.
00:59:39.000Because we're not talking about mountain biking, which there was a woman who used to be a man who dominated mountain biking, and it became a giant issue with people.
00:59:47.000They first supported her, and then she was winning by such enormous margins.
01:00:37.000The woman would have to take testosterone and balance it out, and then you'd have to find out how would you balance out 30 years of your body naturally producing testosterone, increasing your ligament strength, increasing your tendon strength.
01:00:47.000The mechanical advantages of male hips are very different when it comes to kicking, when it comes to certain types of movement.
01:00:55.000Women's hips go out and then their legs kind of come in at an angle, and it's not the best for kicking.
01:01:01.000It's not the best for a lot of different activities.
01:01:11.000That's their identity, and I respect that, however they want to identify.
01:01:15.000Because the category of woman, as you said, is so fluid.
01:01:20.000I'm not going to say there's any absolute about that either, that it can change, and it comes from her ideas, but still, I respect that, and I'll call you a woman, I'll treat you like a woman.
01:01:30.000But that means we have to change the sports, right?
01:01:33.000And we have to have just different categories.
01:01:34.000Instead of woman sports and man sports, we need to have, and woman and man categories in those sports, we need to have different categories that are about people's physical composition.
01:02:36.000Yeah, so that means I would just say there should be a category in the sport for people who are made up of that composition, and that could be people that the society identifies as men or who identify as women or whatever.
01:04:02.000It's saying a female with hypo-androgynism who is recognized as a female in law shall be eligible to compete in women's competition in athletics provided that she has androgen levels below the male range.
01:04:14.000Like, all you have to do is just be like a couple notches below the male range, which is...
01:04:50.000Because even so, you're still dealing with the mechanical advantages of the male frame, the wider shoulders, especially when it comes to hitting.
01:05:52.000And then he had a really good way of slipping the jab and moving constantly until he was inside on you and then he would crush you with his huge left hook.
01:06:01.000But once he's there, he doesn't have an advantage on you.
01:06:05.000But you don't think it's harder for a guy with long-ass spider arms to punch a guy who is in tight on you with short arms and is throwing shots to the body like Tyson would do?
01:06:15.000I think there's advantages, as long as you're physically competent, there's advantages in particular movements and positions to all sorts of different body styles.
01:06:56.000This is very common because most people are under six feet tall, right?
01:06:58.000So who could never play in the NBA, even though they're amazing basketball players, but they just don't have the arm length and they don't have the height and all that.
01:08:44.000If we don't solve this, This is a failure of a podcast.
01:08:47.000There's a big difference, I think, between team sports where you could have an advantage of having a Spud Webb or a Muggsy Bogues, a very mobile, agile kind of guy who can set plays up versus a guy like Shaq, big giant guy who can get in the way of things.
01:09:02.000I think there's all sorts of advantages and disadvantages of size.
01:09:05.000When you're talking about individuals against individuals, that's where things get weird.
01:09:10.000And then when you're talking about combat sports, that's where people have just...
01:09:14.000There's some people that just have these tremendous advantages.
01:10:01.000Oftentimes equate, especially when they learn striking sports at an early age, they learn how to develop that snap and fluidity to their strikes.
01:10:28.000I think we are literally one generation away from being able to use CRISPR and all these new genetic engineering tools to make people whatever style of person you want.
01:10:40.000I think you're gonna be able to develop six foot four super athletes that look like Anthony Joshua or Vitaly Klitschko or Vladimir Klitschko.
01:10:48.000You're gonna be able to make those now.
01:10:50.000What I would give for bionic knees, right?
01:11:06.000But I'm telling you what we were talking about before the podcast, what they're doing now with stem cells, with soft tissue injuries, it's tremendous.
01:11:57.000And hopefully, this is really promising, they're going to be able to do that with brain tissue.
01:12:02.000So people that have had brain injuries, people that have had CTE, they're hopefully going to be able to use some of these therapies to regenerate brain tissue.
01:12:18.000I'm just a complete idiot when it comes to math and science, but man, just go for it.
01:12:22.000And by the way, as far as universities, I am the harshest critics of universities generally, but mostly what I'm talking about is actually the humanities and social sciences when I do that.
01:12:32.000What goes on in the biology building, the chemistry building, the physics building?
01:12:35.000I don't know, but I know that what comes out of them is a better life for me and all of us.
01:12:40.000They're making the stuff that you're talking about, and so go for it.
01:12:45.000Renegade universities, we're not going to do no science.
01:12:47.000We're going to let Harvard and MIT keep going.
01:12:50.000Have at it, guys, because you're doing great stuff.
01:13:01.000What we were talking about initially was Jordan Peterson, what you disagree with him when it comes to gender and what you agree with him when it comes to the suppression of expression of professors and people worried about being called racist and sexist and anything else stifling free speech.
01:13:17.000So what he's facing is even worse than what goes on in the United States in a sense in that it's now legal persecution.
01:13:26.000He is actually, you know, it's against the law to not use these gender pronouns in your class, which is, that's suppression of speech, that's suppression of academic freedom.
01:13:37.000It's a complete violation of those things, in fact, and that's totalitarian.
01:13:51.000Council, and it's like this body of people who sit there and decide who should have a website or not.
01:13:56.000And my uncle, this actually happened to him about 10 years ago, he was accused of being a Holocaust denier.
01:14:01.000Because, and I don't even know exactly what he was saying on there, but he's a Ukrainian, and I think he was sort of just defending these Ukrainians who were accused of being Nazis during the World War II. I don't know.
01:14:46.000He could go to prison for not saying zur in his class.
01:14:51.000There was an article that Vice published that someone linked to me today about this that I did not read yet because I announced that Jordan is going to be returning to the podcast and someone was saying that his interpretation of these laws is greatly exaggerated.
01:17:03.000If you listen to the actual recording, she just wasn't following him to the, like, she wasn't treating him with respect that he felt he deserved.
01:19:21.000The other thing, though, about this, and this is something I've been working on lately, and I've been doing some work with some people at Freethink Media about this, but is, I think, and I've changed my mind about this.
01:19:35.000I've thought about race my whole life, basically, really, really hard, and this is I've changed my mind about this.
01:19:40.000When things like that happen, Sandra Bland, Mike Brown, Eric Garner, even Walter Scott, the guy who was shot in the back in South Carolina...
01:19:49.000Is that the guy where they planted the...
01:20:46.000What all those cops were doing in all those instances, and this is why they got off, they were following the law, and they were following police procedure, which actually obligated them to do those things.
01:20:59.000So Walter Scott, and believe me, I was convinced that was a racist cop, that that was clearly a bad killing.
01:21:09.000And it was a bad killing, but not for the reasons that people are talking about.
01:21:13.000I have no way to know whether that cop was racist, and that's why he did that.
01:21:16.000But we do know, and people have done work on this, that it is very reasonable to assume that he was doing in that moment what he was obligated to do by law, which is, if you look at the video carefully, He very well could have thought that Scott was still holding his taser because Scott grabbed the taser and then dropped it immediately.
01:21:37.000But if you look at where the cop is looking, he may not have seen that.
01:21:41.000We're talking about a different thing then because I'm talking about the cop that shot the guy and then dropped the taser near his body.
01:21:58.000Pulled the taser out of his holster and had it for a second and then started to run and as he's like turning to run he drops it immediately and he's running away and he gets you know a good whatever 10-20 yards away and the cop shoots him in the back.
01:22:11.000So according to South Carolina police procedure and according to Supreme Court decisions The cop not only had the right, but the obligation to use lethal force because he could have believed in that moment that Scott still held the taser in his hand.
01:22:27.000If a person takes a police officer's weapon, police are obligated to use lethal force to stop them.
01:22:36.000So if you look, there's a documentary about this.
01:23:34.000Because, I'm sure, we don't know for sure, but I know this was the argument made by the cop's lawyer, was that it is totally reasonable to assume that That he believed he had reason to shoot him legally.
01:23:47.000So that's one part of that story, which is that the law is the problem, not the cop.
01:23:56.000You'll never be able to prove that he did it because he's a racist.
01:23:59.000And even if we did, what's that going to get us?
01:24:01.000That's not going to save anybody the next time this happens, right?
01:24:04.000But what will save people is if we change those laws.
01:24:08.000Here's the worst law that really made the whole thing happen in the first place that no one's talking about.
01:24:13.000The whole thing started when Scott was driving through North Charleston, right?
01:24:17.000The cop, I think it was a suspended license plate or something, or a taillight, taillight, I think it was a taillight, something trivial, pulls him over.
01:24:24.000At that time, Scott was in arrears on child support payments.
01:26:16.000Well, listen, if you're supporting a woman never having to work again because she married a guy for a certain amount of time, like, relationships come and go.
01:26:25.000You shouldn't be financially obligated to take care of someone for the rest of their life just because you were married at one point in time.
01:27:34.000And she talked him into selling her pot and then she arrested him.
01:27:39.000That only works when you have a 17-year-old boy and a 25-year-old woman.
01:27:44.000If you had a 25-year-old man throwing dick at your 17-year-old daughter and then he gets her to sell him pot and then he arrests her, there would be people lining the fucking street with torches to kill that guy.
01:28:01.000And you know, as well as I know, when you're 17 years old, you are a baffled bag of hormones with a boner, just running through the world, trying to figure out what the fuck's going on, and you're 12 months away from being an adult.
01:29:09.000Appalling irony at the heart of contemporary feminism as practiced by self-defined feminists.
01:29:15.000Many, not all, guys, I'm not saying all feminists are like this, but I'd say certainly it's the dominant strain right now, which is that it is at its heart patriarchal.
01:29:26.000Which it treats women as vulnerable, weak, powerless, incapable of making their own way in this world.
01:29:35.000And it treats men as the, not just, forget about the men.
01:30:23.000That's what most feminists are calling for now.
01:30:26.000Well, I disagree when you're talking about child rearing, because I think that Child support should be absolutely mandatory, and it's very important.
01:30:37.000And if a woman is the only one raising the kids on her own, not only does she need the money for food and housing, but also probably for someone to babysit her kids.
01:31:25.000All the way through your PhD program, she was going to give you money so you didn't have to worry about anything but your education.
01:31:30.000And then once you got out, then you guys could share income.
01:31:33.000But somewhere along the way, she decided she was done with you, and then you're fucked, but you're in the middle of this program that you have to pay for.
01:31:39.000I don't think it's unreasonable to say that she should give you until you could figure your own system out.
01:31:45.000So you don't have to quit your PhD program and go get a job somewhere and get an apartment and a car.
01:31:55.000What's unreasonable is saying that because you guys were together for a certain amount of time, she has to pay you for the rest of your life.
01:33:09.000And they have been loud and clear about this for a long, long time, and I love them, and they're my heroes, and I've learned from them.
01:33:14.000I've learned these things from them, okay?
01:33:17.000But the ones who really are powerful and dominant in the media, the ones we hear from, the public intellectuals, the academics, government leaders, The people who end up in the White House, you know, Obama's staff in HHS, Health and Human Services,
01:33:33.000and the Department of Education, became very clear to me that all these sexual assault laws and rules that came out of there, they were coming right out of colleges.
01:34:10.000Now they're completely being decimated.
01:34:13.000There's hundreds or maybe even thousands of men who are suing in court, and many of them are winning right now for good reason, because there was no due process, because they weren't allowed to, you know, ask questions.
01:34:22.000Well, that poor boy, the mattress boy, where that girl put a fucking mattress on her back and dragged her on campus, and then...
01:34:30.000Took her graduation speech with a mattress.
01:34:58.000But that boy is suing that school, luckily.
01:35:00.000Yeah, they're all suing, and many of them are winning, and I don't know what happened in those cases.
01:35:05.000I don't even know what happened to Mattress Girl, for sure.
01:35:07.000I know that there's all kinds of evidence that sure looks like it didn't happen the way she said it did, but I don't know for sure, and I never will.
01:35:45.000Which is just, how did a company that's been in the journalism business, as long as they've been, how did they fuck that up?
01:35:54.000Yeah, that was the turning point, I think, when that came out that it was completely made up.
01:35:58.000I think since then, it's started to turn.
01:36:01.000Do you think that's good that things like that happen so that you realize why it's important to have checks and balances and that people, it reaffirms this idea of real journalism is important to have your facts in order, to have checks and double check things and make sure you know what the fuck you're printing.
01:36:21.000All the John Doe's out there, all those men who were accused and expelled and had their names ruined and their careers ruined, college careers destroyed and all that stuff, right?
01:36:31.000And also, even if you're exonerated, the emotional turmoil that you go through, there's no way they can reward you for that or compensate you for that, rather.
01:36:39.000But that whole thing, as I said before, is part of this sort of ironic feminist patriarchy ideology, right?
01:36:48.000Which is, you know, we need protection.
01:37:19.000Exactly, because the man's drunk too, but somehow or another it doesn't matter, even if they're both sending texts back and forth, do you have condoms, like the Occidental case.
01:37:56.000But he, as I said, I could be wrong about this, but it sounded to me, and I've listened to him on your show, and I've listened to him elsewhere, and a lot of people have pointed him to me and vice versa because they think we agree on these things and we don't, which is that he thinks, seems to me, that gender is biologically determined.
01:38:14.000That there are two genders, they're fixed in nature, and that's the end of that discussion.
01:40:03.000Which is that, so historically, the differences between them have changed.
01:40:08.000That we, people, human beings, have said different things, have created different categories, and filled those categories with different characteristics.
01:40:18.000Over the centuries, those have changed constantly, right?
01:40:22.000And my first time I was on here, we had a long discussion about what's in my book, Renegade History on Immigrants.
01:40:27.000The Irish and the Italians and the Jews, when they got here to the United States, here and in Europe, they were largely considered to be Negroes.
01:41:49.000But it's still a long time in terms of how we address it today.
01:41:53.000But if you address it today, if you're looking at someone from China, or you're looking at a dark black man from Kenya, there's something different about them.
01:42:45.000It is calling it out as a fiction, as a social construct, which is that these lines have been drawn all the time in all kinds of different ways over the centuries.
01:46:18.000Well, an ethnic Kenyan, someone who lives in Kenya, who was born and raised multiple generations deep, and their parents are Kenyan, their grandparents are Kenyan, there's a very big difference between them and someone who lives in Shanghai, who was born in Shanghai,
01:46:34.000their parents are born in Shanghai, they go all the way back, you know, many, many generations of being pure Chinese.
01:46:39.000Right, but there are infinite variations, even among people who have lived only in Shanghai.
01:46:43.000But what do you want to call those variations?
01:46:51.000I would say that, of course, there are genes that run in families, and I completely agree that genes determine, in large part, how we look fine.
01:47:01.000So you can certainly say, this person is likely, because of their genes, connected to that person last generation, to that generation, to this family lineage.
01:47:26.000Okay, so the thing is, what people have done historically is they've just picked certain characteristics among people and said, ah, that is what determines your race.
01:47:37.000Is maybe the issue, like, there are obvious physical characteristics, the difference between, like, someone who is a Mongol versus someone who is Brazilian versus someone who is...
01:47:49.000There's some pretty obvious physical characteristics for...
01:49:31.000But that's the problem, is that once you start there, people have used those differences for other reasons almost always, which are nefarious and injurious and have done terrible things to people.
01:49:45.000Your problem is recognizing those characteristics and those differences and calling it a race, and then attaching all sorts of other claims to this category.
01:50:22.000Meaning that IQ scores among people that we identify as African American have been lower than among the people we define as white American.
01:50:40.000Totally true and they are right that that is suppressed that we are not allowed to even talk about that data Which is there and it's I have no problem with that.
01:50:47.000I'm sure that's true Here's the thing though How do we define african-american and how do we define white first?
01:50:55.000That's the first problem those as you know Definitions have changed over time.
01:51:00.000So, Jews used to be in the African-American group, and Italians used to be in the African-American group.
01:51:05.000Well, no, no, they were never called African-American stuff.
01:51:11.000There was a book written, this is in my book, Renegade History.
01:51:14.000In 1911, there was a book written by a scholar, and this was one of many, the title of which, his name was Arthur Abernethy, the title of which was, The Jew is a Negro.
01:51:29.000This is all through the late 19th and early 20th centuries, from about the 1880s when the Jews started coming over in big numbers, from the 1880s into the 1940s.
01:51:38.000I'm saying this is what was taught in college classrooms, that Jews were of a different race, and there was some difference of opinion about whether they were black or whether they were just some other kind of inferior race, but they certainly weren't white.
01:51:54.000That was widely agreed upon until World War II, basically.
01:52:31.000So that was part of their claim, and that they were from, you know, part of Europe that was a bit closer to Africa.
01:52:36.000And this is what they said about Italians, in particular Sicilians, right?
01:52:40.000They were like, hey, look where it is.
01:52:41.000That's why these people, you know, are fucking all the time and having babies and are lazy and can't work and fight in bars and get drunk and...
01:53:05.000I think there is something called, this is a G factor, which it tests, it measures.
01:53:10.000G factor is this thing that was invented, this concept.
01:53:13.000It's a category, but it's a real category in the world we operate in, which is your ability to do rational thinking, reasoning, like math.
01:53:22.000Like writing scholarly essays, you know?
01:53:25.000I'm sure my G-factor is higher, sort of, than other people's, although I'm terrible at math, so that's yet another problematic wrinkle for these people.
01:53:36.000But yeah, I believe that IQ measures that stuff, that kind of thing.
01:53:42.000But is that what intelligence is and only is?
01:54:40.000There's this thing that goes on where certain people just need to keep finding racial differences that are innate, biological, fixed, that can't be changed.
01:54:50.000And it's like, first of all, you've never done this because it's so fluid and you're never really answering it.
01:54:55.000And then What if you did finally prove it?
01:54:58.000What are we going to do with that information?
01:55:01.000Well, we just recognize that there are variables, like when we're talking about Polynesian people.
01:55:06.000We're talking about people from Tonga, very stout, strong people.
01:55:10.000Samoans tend to be very stout, strong people.
01:55:13.000I mean, that's a characteristic, actually a positive characteristic, that's attributed to people from that area.
01:55:22.000I would say that people from Polynesia are more likely, men from Polynesia are more likely to be offensive linemen in the NFL. So your issue is calling it a race itself.
01:56:05.000That's what has justified all sorts of things, right?
01:56:08.000So that's the problem here, is that these attempts to define people by race and, by the way, by gender, have done nothing but terrible things.
01:56:48.000Well, it's a fascinating thing when you call people African Americans or call them Italian Americans, because Italy isn't actually a country, whereas Africa's a continent.
01:59:28.000That there is no natural essence to anything.
01:59:31.000That everything is a social construct.
01:59:34.000Which means that we now are free to choose our own destiny as individuals, right?
01:59:43.000Prior to that, prior to the 1960s and 70s, it was the dominant belief That if you were born a woman, you were going to be a wife and a mother.
01:59:55.000And if you weren't, you were doing something unnatural.
01:59:57.000That if you were black, you could never be the head of a business or the president.
02:00:22.000I just gave you the whole postmodern argument right there.
02:00:25.000We looked at history and we saw, first of all, that all these categories have changed over time, which tells us that they're just inventions.
02:00:31.000They're just inventions that get reinvented all the time.
02:00:36.000And second of all, they have served the purposes of ruling elites, because they get to put people in their boxes and control them more easily, right?
02:00:45.000Oh, those people over there, those are black, therefore they should be our slaves.
02:00:50.000So it's okay for us to have them as slaves.
02:00:52.000Those women over there, we don't want them, you know, working for NASA, so we will have a rule against women working for NASA, whatever it is, right?
02:01:00.000So postmodernists said, None of this is biological.
02:01:36.000So black people are allowed, mostly, into places they weren't before.
02:01:41.000Women are allowed, very much so, into places they weren't allowed before.
02:01:46.000The whole world has changed, and I think principally from that idea, So that doesn't mean...
02:01:54.000Now, the problem is that these social justice warriors, so-called, on campuses have used some of that language We're good to go.
02:02:31.000What much of the trans movement now is doing, which makes me so sad, is that they're saying that I am biologically, essentially, naturally, in my core, a woman.
02:03:07.000That are similar to Sam Harris's claims and to old racist claims and to old sexist claims that if you're born a particular way biologically, this is who you are.
02:07:13.000You and I would agree on all the things in the world that are dogs.
02:07:17.000I'm not going to walk around and be like, oh no, that's not a dog.
02:07:20.000So with humans, you're making a distinction that there are certain feelings and the way you interface with the world that may be more or less masculine or feminine.
02:07:29.000But it does apply to dogs, my point here, which is that we did draw a line, right?
02:08:40.000Because there are certain inventions, certain social constructs that do nothing but bad things, that do no good, and they're only social constructs, like race and gender.
02:08:54.000Let's look at gender definition and tell me how it's only bad.
02:08:58.000Why is it only bad to define men as men and women as women?
02:09:01.000Because, well, if you say it's about making the biological claim, the biological connection there.
02:09:07.000Well, making a definition, like saying a guy who is born a guy who gravitates towards male activities, likes females, all those things, by saying that that's a man, that this is a born man, and you're saying, no, no one is.
02:09:21.000So if you're saying if those characteristics are naturally determined, Then all of us guys who don't do those things are unnatural.
02:11:18.000Well, it's news in that even if they did do that, you're talking about individual sexual acts between people who are male or female, right?
02:13:02.000You're definitely not there with that.
02:13:03.000I think there's a giant spectrum of people, but to say that a guy isn't born a man, or a woman isn't born a woman, I think is disingenuous.
02:13:17.000Thailand, I think in India, and I think there's several Polynesian countries, there's several countries where there is a legal and cultural and social category that is neither man nor woman, nor male nor female.
02:13:32.000Like in Thailand, the ladyboys, right?
02:13:34.000And there's other countries too have this.
02:15:48.000If that's what you have to say about it, and you want to not get in the way of people doing those things and making those decisions for themselves and let them do what they want to do, I am totally with you.
02:16:35.000The variables are so extreme and the spectrum is so broad.
02:16:39.000So after I was on your show the first time, got a whole bunch of comments from people calling me a fag and a pussy and a sissy and a this and that.
02:17:01.000I just thought it was interesting, actually.
02:17:02.000So, in other words, and a lot of what they were really saying, and some of them elaborated on this, was that I was, you know, not really man enough.
02:17:11.000I was less of a man for whatever reason.
02:17:50.000I might have to defend myself against this person, because if someone is treating me that way, insulting me, looking me in the eye, we are so close to violence.
02:18:16.000But it is remarkable how many people do that, right?
02:18:19.000And it's not just that they have these thoughts about you, it's that they go out of their way to write it in public to do something to you.
02:18:49.000It's a weird way of interacting with people that didn't exist.
02:18:54.000I mean, there was never a time in our past where you could, with real time, instantaneously, send something to someone and then they read it right away and they could be rude and all they are is a Twitter egg with a bunch of numbers and letters and they call you a homo.
02:19:08.000It's the real downside of the internet, which otherwise is a miraculous boon to humanity.
02:19:15.000I feel like we are finding our way through this...
02:19:19.000Inescapable new technology, this connection that we're sharing, which is just...
02:19:24.000Well, it's one of the reasons why I think it's important to have one-on-one conversations with people.
02:19:29.000And one of the things that I've noticed from doing this podcast is how many interesting people there are out there in the world, like yourself, that I could talk to, but also how bad most people are in the world with just talking to each other.
02:19:45.000We don't ever have long conversations.
02:19:48.000Everybody's checking their fucking phone.
02:20:39.000I'm used to that because I'm around academics a lot.
02:20:42.000Because they're used to lecturing and they're the smartest person in the room.
02:20:45.000And so all their job is to do is to tell us what's true, right?
02:20:48.000So they're very comfortable with that.
02:20:49.000I was always amazed when I'd watch these really important, famous professors at Columbia, you know, give these lectures to a hall of 500 people.
02:20:56.000And it seemed to me they didn't even know that...
02:20:59.000There were other people in the room, the way they were talking.
02:21:01.000Like, it didn't matter what the reactions were, whether people were asleep, whether they were reading the newspaper.
02:21:29.000I mean, whatever it is, I care in a particular way.
02:21:31.000I mean, it's another form of narcissism, I suppose, but I do think that's what makes me a good teacher, because I have to have interaction.
02:22:00.000That's where real personal relationships are.
02:22:02.000Yeah, comics kind of do the same thing, too, because they're used to being the one who's talking on stage, or if they do a podcast, they're used to being the one who's talking all the time.
02:22:11.000But the ones who do crowd work, right?
02:22:23.000I mean, you're dealing with people drinking alcohol in a social environment, and it's dark out, and it's nighttime, and they're having fun, and they're laughing.
02:22:30.000And especially when you're talking about controversial opinions and subjects, people always chime in and stuff.
02:23:04.000I can't But do they interact with other professors and go over their work together?
02:23:08.000You know, I am stereotyping and generalizing.
02:23:09.000This is not everybody, but I did see this a lot, and I still do.
02:23:13.000Yeah, there's some interactions, but again, it's mostly through, you know, you write a paper, and then you send it out to the journal, and then some other professor reviews it anonymously often and sends it back.
02:23:22.000It's all very weird, passive-aggressive shit, too.
02:23:25.000Like, that's the other thing about academia I can't stand, is that they are allergic to direct conflict.
02:23:31.000Like the argument you and I just had, that's pretty much not allowed.
02:23:45.000See, when I went to college, I had this idea that it would be the really smart people, like professors, like more than one, would be in a room, and they would have, you know, one major issue, and they would debate it, that there would be argument, right?
02:24:01.000There would be a conflict of ideas about an idea.
02:24:36.000And one of the real tragedies with that is that, as I said, there's no real conflict of ideas, which is reinforced by the tenure system, the accreditation system.
02:24:45.000It's this monolith where there's one...
02:24:48.000And this is why you get these uniformity of ideas on campuses.
02:24:54.000It's all this monolith that actually has its head at the federal government.
02:24:58.000Do you know about the accreditation system?
02:25:05.000To get accredited as a college or university in this country, you have to be accredited by an agency that is authorized by the Department of Education in Washington, D.C. The Secretary of Education has to authorize your existence as a legitimate,
02:26:20.000So there's two different systems that the Department of Education controls.
02:26:23.000One is for the so-called elite prestigious schools.
02:26:27.000Those are regional accreditation agencies, again, all authorized by the Department of Education.
02:26:33.000And the for-profit colleges, there's a separate accreditation system called the National Accreditation System, and that's also controlled by the Department of Education.
02:26:41.000But everybody knows within it that if you get accredited by one of the national accreditation systems, you're a bullshit for-profit.
02:26:49.000So those credits, you can't transfer them to Harvard or Occidental or any of the elite, so-called elite schools.
02:27:49.000So you wonder why, when you walk into any college classroom in this country, you hear basically the same shit being said in sociology classes and history classes?
02:29:11.000And Betsy DeVos, for whatever her problems are, seems to be the first Secretary of Education maybe we've ever had who could be willing to challenge this.
02:29:46.000She could disaccredit all those agencies right now.
02:29:48.000So you think there's just this inherent bottleneck that it's existed for so long and that these people have been in charge of saying what is true and what's not true, what should be taught and not taught?
02:30:36.000So why couldn't you just reproduce that in an environment where you're being taught by someone who obviously has a mastery of that particular subject?
02:31:33.000They're not going to let the knaves in.
02:31:35.000Well, what's interesting is because of social media and because of coming on podcasts like mine and his YouTube presence, he's actually got a large movement of people that are interested in his ideas.
02:31:46.000He had a disastrous fucking conversation with Sam Harris.
02:32:33.000But again, I think there was a certain amount of heel digging on both sides.
02:32:37.000They dug their heels in, they stood their ground on this one really preposterous issue, which was like, you know, you're listening to this, like, Jesus fucking Christ, guys, you're just talking about truth for an hour and a half.
02:33:34.000It was about a civil war in this country that's been going on for a long time that finally came to a head in November.
02:33:40.000Which is a war between the people who went to college and the elite colleges in particular and who are of that culture that's created in those colleges and those who are not of that culture.
02:33:50.000That's what that that's what that election was about.
02:33:52.000I think there is this schism between those two groups in this country and that finally the people who are not of the elite college culture won something and it caused the elites to freak completely out.
02:34:06.000So if you look at like I was looking at the top podcast because, you know, I just started a podcast and it did get ranked and so I'm excited, but I'm looking at it a lot and like you can really see it clearly.
02:34:16.000Just look at the top 200 podcasts right now.
02:34:19.000It's like 60 to 70% are like NPR. Cookie cutter, same shit.
02:34:24.000Coastal, elite, liberal, bland, you know, you know what it is.
02:34:28.000Tone of voice, what they say, who their guests are, all the same.
02:36:17.000It's like a different language, different way of behaving, different ideas are questioned, different questions are asked.
02:36:24.000And there's this resentment, too, because the elites, the NPR types, I believe, have basically looked, not basically, they have looked down their noses at those who didn't go to college, who don't speak the way we speak, who don't talk about these ideas,
02:36:40.000who aren't aware of these ideas, right?
02:36:43.000Working class people, like people in Salem, I know, right?
02:36:45.000People who, oh, you know, Meryl Streep said it best, right, about MMA, right?
02:36:52.000They clearly see all those people outside this elite bi-coastal culture as doing bad stuff, inferior stuff, and they shouldn't be allowed to run things.
02:37:02.000Well, what she said was so inherently ridiculous and also ignorant because she was also claiming that if you take out the immigrants, you're left with MMA. MMA is 80% immigrants.
02:37:49.000It doesn't fit the narrow narrative they're trying to promote.
02:37:51.000What they want is the immigrant, who also very much exists, they want the undocumented mom with the kid who got stopped at the border and sent back, who breaks my heart too.
02:38:30.000It's barbaric in the way that, like, it used to be that you had a tribe and then you invaded another tribe, or they invaded you, and you had to put up a fence and guard your border.
02:38:38.000And then these things became like larger communities, these communities became cities, became countries, became And then, you know, go back a few thousand years, you're dealing with these countries invading other countries.
02:38:50.000And so you have these immigration policies, especially now, where we have border patrols and this idea that you have to have your paperwork, you have to have passports and numbers, and otherwise you were born in the wrong patch of dirt, sir.
02:39:03.000If you were just born 30 miles north, you could have been in Texas, but you're in Juarez, you fuck, so you stay over here.
02:41:53.000Well, I met a guy in Chicago who was a cop, and he explained it to me in great detail.
02:41:59.000And he said essentially what happened is they moved in and they arrested a lot of these drug lords, these local people that were in charge of whatever areas, and they were running whatever criminal organization.
02:42:10.000They arrest them, and they created a power vacuum.
02:42:27.000Yes, Trump- Because drugs are illegal.
02:42:28.000Trump is too goddamn dumb to make the full point, and he's also beholden to these asshole Republicans like Jeff Sessions, who thinks that marijuana is dangerous.
02:42:37.000He wants to bring back just saying no.
02:42:38.000So he's not saying, he has no idea, or at least he's not saying what the actual cause is, right?
02:42:43.000And liberals are sort of abetting him by ignoring it, by saying, oh no, there is no violence.
02:42:48.000It's like, no, fuckers, there is tremendous violence, and the cause is your laws against drugs.
02:42:59.000But because our government is just a fight between this moron, Trump, and these morons, the Democrats, who refuse to address this stuff, there's no discussion about it.
02:43:12.000But if you do legalize drugs, how do you do that?
02:43:14.000Like, say if the United States just decided we're going to decriminalize all drugs, and that's not good enough because someone's going to sell them, right?
02:43:38.000That's a side note, but a really important one.
02:43:40.000There is now a debate among academics who study this stuff.
02:43:44.000And a lot of academics who are actually more or less on the right side of this are arguing that the drug war and making drugs illegal is not the major cause of mass incarceration.
02:43:53.000Because the number, the percentage of people, it is big, but it's something like 10% who are nonviolent drug offenders who are prosecuted and convicted of just drug offenses.
02:45:08.000But I am sure, and this is what social scientists need to do right now, is start to make that, do that work and find out exactly how many people are in prison for some reason related to the fact that drugs are illegal.
02:46:59.000And what that meant was an inspector from the state came to your bar or your restaurant or whatever, And looked around and asked you questions and checked on who you were hiring, who worked there, who your customers were, what kinds of customers.
02:47:11.000And if you didn't fit all the rules of, you know, polite society, or, and this was true, great histories have been done about this, if you had the homosexuals coming into your bar.
02:48:23.000Well, the regulation comes in the banking.
02:48:26.000The banking's weird, because the federal government still has it classified as a Schedule I substance, and it's illegal, so there's a huge issue with people having to accept cash only, so they hired a bunch of seals and mercs and all these fucking guys that would've probably worked for mercenary organizations.
02:48:43.000Now they're fucking carrying around drug money from people selling pot, and then they have to take it to the bank and put it in safe deposit boxes and deposit it into these accounts.
02:50:26.000I've already sold out the VIPs, but there's more.
02:50:29.000The general admission is still on sale.
02:50:31.000And then I'm doing that with a great group, which I meant to mention, School Sucks Project, who is actually one of the very first pioneers of this whole movement I was talking about to just overthrow the whole educational system and replace it with actual thought and ideas and debate.