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00:00:21.000I was for a while, and it was cool, but it's one way to get a lot of new followers, because if you go to Top Live, which I'm sure you are, so who's ever live, it'll have Top Live with the most people who are tuning in, and so that's where you are right now,
00:00:38.000and so people who don't follow you will see you on Top Live.
00:05:43.000He's got these little tiny nubs and he's trying to get this ground nesting bird He's going to go past that tree and then the guy filming it.
00:05:52.000See the bird hopping around the ground?
00:05:55.000So it's a bird that fell out of a nest.
00:07:53.000The Instagram story, so Cameron Haynes and our buddy Adam Greentree and a few other fellows were up there in the north country of Australia, and you guys took over the Under Armour hunt page, and It was epic, man.
00:08:06.000The Under Armour hunt page, like the little Instagram stories.
00:09:44.000No, so you were telling me about this one pond that was near you guys, where you saw eyes at night, and you didn't think there was any crocodiles?
00:11:41.000It was hard hunting up there right now because this is their wet season or the tail end of their wet season.
00:11:45.000And so the foliage was really grown up, really thick, so it was very hard to see the buffalo.
00:11:51.000Normally, later when we went, it's all burnt up because of summer, and so there's no foliage.
00:12:00.000You can see the buffalo from miles, basically, but with this grass, the grass is in some places eight feet tall.
00:12:07.000I mean, you'd have to be 50 yards away to see a buffalo, and they're, you know, 1,800 to 2,000 pounds.
00:12:14.000So it makes it hard to find them, and then it also makes it dangerous to trail them, you know, if you're blood trailing them, or even if you just surprise one.
00:12:23.000You know, you surprise an animal that close, a wild animal like that, and who knows how they're going to react.
00:12:31.000Yeah, and with that grass, it just, you know, as you know, Adam and I did a, and the camera guys, we did a podcast up there, and we were kind of talking about the challenges of the hunt, and that was a big part of it, is just not being able to see very much country,
00:12:47.000and so people never hunt buffalo this time of year.
00:12:51.000This is like, people say, why would you go?
00:12:53.000You're not gonna, you know, nobody goes this time, and we just...
00:13:03.000Yeah, it would be, you know, last time I went is December, which is just before the wet season starts.
00:13:09.000This is the tail end of the wet season right now.
00:13:11.000So we're thinking about when we want to take you up there would be around November, October, November, because you don't want to get stuck with the wet season hit because that's big rains.
00:16:21.000Because they shit and piss in the water.
00:16:24.000Well, Australia is so strange, and as is New Zealand, in that all these people imported animals there in the 1800s, and I guess even before.
00:16:35.000When did they establish Australia and New Zealand?
00:16:40.000See if you can find out when they established.
00:16:41.000We talked about this recently with Josh Zeps, didn't we?
00:16:44.000But they brought in all these animals with no game plan.
00:16:48.000They just let them loose, and then they're like, oh, Jesus.
00:16:51.000So, in New Zealand, they have these beautiful stags, these incredible animals, and in some places, they have to shoot them out of helicopters just to control the population.
00:17:02.000For people in America, it's unheard of.
00:17:26.000Okay, the first European explorer to sight New Zealand was Abel Janzoon, Tasman on the 13th of December in 1642, but that's obviously just a European.
00:17:41.000People have been there for a long fucking time.
00:18:11.000And so I think they told me that, it seems like it was in 1985, they were going to wipe out all the buffalo, and they had some money funded for it, and they were going to try to get rid of them.
00:18:23.000And they got halfway through and quit.
00:20:20.000Well, people that have researched it in America, just in North America, cats kill somewhere in the neighborhood of three billion birds a year.
00:28:03.000So the first week there, I tried it for deer, and it was just like, these deer were seemingly 10 yards away by the time the arrow got to them.
00:29:48.000Draw back, shoot, and he was facing his head to the left, and he was heading back to the right, probably a few feet away by the time the arrow got there.
00:31:57.000When you think about the size of Australia, the size of North America with the same amount of people as Los Angeles, but the area where you're at, it's like, that is as wild as it gets.
00:33:49.000And then he had heard this story from one of the other Aborigines that lived there that someone had brought food to all these people, all the Aborigines there, and just poisoned the food and just killed them all off.
00:34:43.000I'm sure there's probably a few people.
00:34:45.000But it seems like when you think about the actual numbers of how much land you're talking about, how few people live out there, and how many of those things are probably there.
00:34:53.000And also, one of the things that Adam was telling me that's crazy is you could have the way they refer to themselves, like Aborigines, they call themselves a mob.
00:35:03.000Like, you know, instead of a tribe, it's a mob.
00:35:05.000And they're like, there could be one mob.
00:35:35.000Well, it is like a tribal society, but it's also like you're...
00:35:39.000I mean, right now, there's culture and there's civilization that is linked to who knows how many hundreds, if not thousands of years ago, and it will go away because there won't be people that understand it.
00:35:53.000There's not someone who's studying it.
00:35:56.000And there's so many different versions of the way they communicate that it's just like you're literally watching history dissolve right in front of you.
00:36:26.000Yeah, but it was cool being under that rock and envisioning them being there too, you know, that long ago, doing the same thing we were doing.
00:36:41.000It's just so fascinating thinking about that particular continent of Australia that, you know, Europe used it as a prison colony and England brought a bunch of people over there and go, look, you people are assholes.
00:39:26.000So that when the engine's getting the air, apparently it mitigates a lot of the dust because a lot of the dust is headlight high when you're driving, and that gets you a little bit more clear air up there.
00:41:34.000Yeah, I want it to be like an hour-long documentary-style hunting film, giving back, you know, killing buffalo, taking the meat back to the community.
00:42:05.000Yeah, my My goal is to sort of use you because I want hunting to be shown in the light that I know it to be, which is hard work, respect for the country and the animals,
00:42:23.000So with you involved, more people care about it, right?
00:42:27.000And we want to have you involved because we like hanging out with you.
00:42:31.000Well, I was explaining this to Adam, too.
00:42:34.000When we did my podcast up there in the bush is like ever since I've hunted way back when Roy moved to Alaska and I was left hunting the wilderness on my own.
00:42:46.000I loved it so much, I kept wanting to find somebody who would love it as much as I could say, look how awesome this is.
00:43:01.000So it was like, but you want to share something that impacts you so much with other people who appreciate it.
00:43:09.000So that's why That's what I was saying when Adam and I were talking is that, you know, you love bow hunting.
00:43:17.000And so when you are so interested and invested in something and have such a passion for something, there's nothing better than when somebody else shares that passion.
00:43:41.000If you try to introduce bow hunting to people, first of all, Just shooting a bow, people think, oh, you pull the string back, you point at the spot, you let it go.
00:43:51.000It takes years to get competent with a bow.
00:43:54.000And I remember when you first started showing me how to shoot when we first shot in my backyard.
00:44:01.000And I immediately recognized, I think, like, after, first of all, you had a 90-pound bow, which I definitely shouldn't have been pulling back.
00:44:09.000My shoulder was fucking killing me after the first hour.
00:44:41.000Bow hunting and archery itself, to me it seemed like, okay, this is a discipline, it's a worthy pursuit, it's fascinating, and I'm very, very interested in it.
00:44:50.000But for a lot of people, I think it's very daunting.
00:44:56.000People think of hunting as Elmer Fudd.
00:44:58.000You go out there or they see some hunting scene in a movie where there's a bunch of rednecks and they're fat and they're sitting in a tree stand or something like that, and they think it's easy.
00:45:09.000They think it's a bunch of people that are just killing animals and they don't care and then When you actually go out and do it, especially if you go do it with a person like you, you understand what this thing really is.
00:45:20.000And what it really is, is this incredibly difficult pursuit that takes immense amounts of hard work and dedication, and you gotta be in fucking shape for it.
00:45:34.000And I think you're a big part of this.
00:45:36.000And over the last few years, and all the platforms that you've gone on to tell your story, is that people understand that Big game hunting in the West, in the Western-style hunting, elk and mule deer, the type of stuff that you love to do, is very,
00:45:53.000It is a combination of athletics, of extreme endurance, of hiking, outdoorsmanship, survival skills, and then the knowledge of hunting, and then you have to be a good shot on top of all that.
00:46:07.000Yeah, then you have to be able to keep, you know, when that adrenaline hits, when all of a sudden...
00:46:12.000And that's what's hard is people have invested so much into it and they've been thinking about the crunch time for so long that when it happens, it's too much.
00:46:25.000When you've been thinking about something for years, potentially, or at least all year, you know, that, oh, here's my chance, here's my chance, and then you get it and you're not ready.
00:48:22.000And we are reaching new people these days.
00:48:25.000Hunting, it's in the crosshairs in some...
00:48:32.000I mean, I went to an archery shop up there, Benson's Archery in Sydney, and we just had a few hours notice saying, hey, Adam and I are going to stop by, swing by, and quite a few people came.
00:48:48.000I mean, it was surprising how many people showed up, but a lot of them We're vegetarians, you know, six months ago, listened to your show.
00:48:57.000A lot of people told me, oh, I found out about you from Joe Rogan, or I didn't hunt, or I didn't even eat meat.
00:49:03.000And all these different stories, all these different from all these different areas.
00:49:09.000And I want to make sure our message The one of respect and reverence and appreciation for everything out there and for survival and for just, you know, life outside of the city.
00:49:22.000I want that shown in a way that I know we would.
00:49:26.000And so that's why I selfishly want this to be a big thing just because I'm sick of hunting, you know, the Elmer Fudd thing.
00:49:35.000You know, I was watching a movie the other day And they showed a hunter, and the girl was on there, and she was...
00:50:57.000You get the eggs, they're real dark yolk.
00:51:00.000The food is all grass-fed beef from a farm that they have a connection to, and they buy the meat from the farm.
00:51:05.000There's a lot of that, these farm-to-table places where these restaurants have a great relationship with the people that actually grow the food.
00:51:31.000So now people are becoming more aware because of the internet, because of information, and they're becoming more aware of where their food comes from.
00:51:39.000And you're also seeing a higher number of people that their response to this factory farming thing is, well, hey, I'll go vegetarian or, hey, I'll go vegan.
00:52:42.000And then when you actually find out that these animals, the money from hunting tags and even from buying hunting gear, there's a percentage of money that goes towards conservation, and this is all very carefully thought out by people like you and by these people that really respect and care for these animals.
00:53:03.000Yeah, and you get deeper and deeper into this and you understand what it really is and then you see this whole community of these people like yourself and Remy Warren and these hardcore hunters that are also like deeply connected to the land and Conservation and deeply appreciate these animals and this is how they get all their meat.
00:53:22.000Yeah, this is how they live and like that was Extremely appealing to me.
00:53:27.000Yeah, it's a I think Steve Rinella has done a great job Getting that message out in a perfect way, really.
00:53:43.000And I remember he had just something about him that I'm like, okay, this is different.
00:53:48.000I've been a hunter myself my whole life, but his...
00:53:53.000His portrayal was different than what we'd seen before.
00:53:57.000Maybe me and some of the other people you've mentioned and Adam have just carried that on and tried to do a good job of educating people who don't know any better.
00:54:11.000I wish everybody I mean that last day we were up in the mountains there after I had killed my deer and we had a back strap so we're picking up camp getting everything away but I had I had a awesome fallow deer back strap which is like the prime for people don't as a prime cut and I cut it all I cleaned it all off every piece of Anything
00:54:42.000that was on it, hair, if there's any tree bark, anything that was on there.
00:54:47.000It was just a perfect, clean piece of meat.
00:55:09.000It was probably some of the best meat I've ever eaten.
00:55:13.000Standing around the campfire, just pulling that off that stick that we had cooked it over the open flame.
00:55:19.000I wish everybody could know what that was like.
00:55:22.000To know that that deer, just previous to that, was alive in the woods.
00:55:28.000We harvested him, which is aka killed him, and then ate him.
00:55:32.000And that circle of life, or whatever you want to call it, or just that moment, I wish everybody could experience it because I just think they'd have a different take on On hunting and hunters and being self-sustaining.
00:56:25.000When you're eating an animal that you killed yourself and it's difficult to do, and you were hard hunting for many, many days before you got that deer.
00:56:34.000So there's this intense respect and connection that...
00:56:39.000I think we all, I mean, we harp on about it so many times that people listen to these podcasts, like, Jesus Christ, you guys stop talking about how awesome hunting is?
00:56:47.000It's because it's impacted both of us in a very, very positive way, in a very, there's a primal, genetic, sort of ancestral thing that's happening when you hunt.
00:57:38.000My thought process is what you're doing, what I'm doing, what all these people that do that hunt is you're entering into the wild and you're for a small window, a week or whatever it is, you're becoming a part of this crazy cycle of nature.
00:57:58.000That money, whether it's the money for the outfitters, the money for the tags, the money for the gear, all that stuff, percentage of that goes to make sure that the habitat is maintained, make sure that the animal population is maintained, make sure that Department of Fish and Game is well staffed with biologists,
00:58:15.000with people that are monitoring these animals.
00:58:18.000If that doesn't get done, these animals are not going to be there anymore.
00:58:23.000And North America has the best wildlife management program or management system of anywhere.
00:58:30.000And that's why almost all the species that we have here, there's more now than there almost ever has been, even with shrinking habitat, because we're encroaching on where they live.
00:58:41.000But the numbers still flourish, because hunters aren't just, oh, let's go wipe them all out.
00:58:57.000But at the end of the day, like there in Australia, we were getting up in the morning out of the sleeping bag, grabbing our bow and taking off.
00:59:08.000And that feels, man, it feels, like I said, I wish people could know what it feels like because I see people comment on my social media and they say, this isn't the 19th century anymore.
00:59:19.000You don't have to be a Neanderthal or whatever.
00:59:30.000This one chick, she posted something mean when I posted a picture of some elk that I was cooking, and I said, hey honey, I go, you got, I like to call girls honey because it makes them feel like I'm a sexist.
00:59:41.000You got a fucking BLT on your page, sweetie.
00:59:44.000And she's like, well, that was just from four months ago before I was enlightened.
01:00:18.000I found this place where the deer were coming into this field.
01:00:22.000And, like I said, this area had been hunting, but I... I had figured nobody had ever hunted out of a tree there, you know, not like a whitetail back here, you know, in the east or in the south that get trees down and hunted all the time.
01:00:35.000So I'm like, well, I think I can get up in this tree.
01:00:37.000These deer coming out in this area, I probably have a pretty good chance.
01:00:40.000So I was up there in the tree and these does and fawns were out in the field and they were running around chasing each other, playing.
01:00:48.000I mean, it was just like speeding all around in circles and bumping into each other.
01:01:54.000Stepped out and you know an old buck he was you could see his hip bones because he was so run down from the rut and he was getting older I could tell he was an older mature deer and that's that's what I want to take I want to take an animal past its prime that has done his job for spread his genes for the health of the herd and was that's the animals we want to take out and so he was he was just a run down old buck that's what I took Yeah,
01:02:24.000the problem is that people associate someone who wants to take an older, big, mature animal with trophy hunting.
01:03:32.000The fact that he died, I shot him, and he was dead within seconds is guaranteed, and people always talk shit about this, is the very best way he could go.
01:04:19.000So it's just, their life is, I mean, how many guys out here in the street, you know, fight and kill each other and get stuck It doesn't happen, you know, it's life in the wild is I mean unless you're out there and you witness things like that you just live in it's a it's not real I think the real problem is perspective,
01:04:39.000you know, I mean I think unless you're there unless you're experiencing the wilderness itself Like, I've talked about my experience on Prince of Wales Island that, you know, Brian Callan and Rinella and I, we were up there for,
01:04:54.000I guess, I think we camped there for six days.
01:04:57.000And your idea of what, like, life is...
01:05:03.000It's only based on what your perception is, like what you're seeing on a daily basis.
01:05:07.000Well, here, you're seeing Ventura Boulevard, and you're seeing billboards, and oh, new movies coming out, and keeping up with the Kardashians.
01:08:19.000Is that it takes days and days and days of 10, 12 hours, up and down mountains, up and down and up and down.
01:08:28.000And when I met you, the reason why I got in contact with you and the reason why I met you is because I was so confused as to why someone would need to run ultra marathons in order to get ready for hunting.
01:08:39.000I was like, what the fuck is this guy doing?
01:08:41.000Why is he lifting weights and doing all this shit for...
01:08:45.000I was just getting into it, and I was trying to figure out...
01:08:49.000I would start to watch things on television, and I was starting to read certain articles and read certain books, and I was like, well, what is this whole fitness connection to hunting?
01:09:03.000Well, I went with Rinella, and when I went with Rinella, one of the things I realized was, boy, I got pretty winded going up these fucking hills.
01:10:20.000Until you're out there, you got the bow in your hand, and you're trying to close in on that animal, and you're trying to do everything right from A to Z, and there's so many variables during that whole path, it's just like, it seems impossible sometimes.
01:10:37.000And there's a very strange connection that you get with nature, and forget about even the fact that you're pursuing these animals to hunt them and eat them, but there's a very strange connection that you get when you're out there in that total quiet, Woods where they live you're in their world and you lock eyes with them and you meet them and you see them and you're in this place with no cell phone reception with no people anywhere near you from miles and miles.
01:11:00.000Yeah, it's a totally different feeling life shows you Another aspect of itself that you didn't know existed.
01:11:38.000A giant percentage of our population lives in these urban environments that have a complete and total disconnect from the actual life on Earth.
01:11:47.000Life on Earth is not just urban environments.
01:11:51.000Life on Earth has this broad spectrum of different ways it manifests itself.
01:11:58.000And to experience all these different ones, to be in Alberta and see black bears in the wild, to be in Colorado and see mule deer and be in the woods and the mountains and to be around these different animals...
01:12:11.000It's a different it's a different understanding of the actual existence that living things have here on earth that living things that share the air you breathe and the water you drink and the earth itself that was that was the best part of that trip because we would split up Adam would go one way.
01:12:30.000I would go another way in the morning.
01:16:13.000Well, you know, it's like we were talking before this when we were on the way over here about a show that wanted me to come on and talk about guns.
01:16:21.000But there's going to be like a large audience and there's going to be a bunch of people on the panel and you talk for seven minutes and you go to commercial break and I'm like, I'm not interested.
01:16:29.000I'm not interested in doing that because I think that it's a long conversation that you have to have with someone and it takes a while for you to understand their point of view.
01:16:37.000It takes a while for them to understand your point of view.
01:16:40.000It takes a while to establish the fact that you're a very reasonable person and this is a very nuanced conversation.
01:16:47.000Much like when that guy in France ran over a bunch of people with his truck, I don't think the truck should be outlawed.
01:16:53.000I think the real issue is human beings that are capable of doing horrible shit.
01:18:25.000There's a lot of people that listen to these conversations, and they get a perspective that they would have never had.
01:18:31.000There's a lot of people right now that are listening, that are in their car, that are on the bus or whatever, and they've got their headphones on, and they're thinking about this in a way that they never thought about it before, because in their mind, because of the fact they live in these urban environments, and they've never been exposed to hunting,
01:18:48.000and they get all their meat from a store, or from a supermarket, or from a restaurant, they just never heard anybody talk about it.
01:19:54.000Well, what you're saying makes a whole lot of sense is that people do, they find these communities with like-minded people and it becomes an echo chamber.
01:20:04.000And that goes all the way back to like a million hours ago, it feels like, since we've been talking about why that Netflix thing is so appealing to me and having you involved.
01:20:13.000It's just because we've reached so many new people and hunting is so important to me and I think...
01:20:23.000People can understand what motivates us and why it's important.
01:20:28.000I just want that shown right and shared right.
01:21:42.000Well, they feel like they're doing a good thing, and they are in many ways.
01:21:46.000Look, if you're eschewing factory farming, you're avoiding factory farming and eating more salads and eating farm-to-table vegetables instead, you are definitely contributing to less death and suffering, 100%.
01:25:36.000Are more adaptable to different kinds of diets and some people just don't do well on an all plant-based diet and Maybe they're not as disciplined as some folks.
01:25:45.000Yeah, it's hard to say but everybody's everybody's different, but I don't think there's anything wrong With going out and killing animals and eating them.
01:25:55.000And I think that's where we differ from a lot of people that think that you should not be allowed to do that.
01:26:02.000You should not be allowed because it's barbaric.
01:26:26.000So it's pretty one-sided as far as they won't accept being a hunter and being self-sufficient while any hunter I know isn't going on vegan pages and talking shit.
01:26:51.000I know there's going to be people that say, they're going to say, oh, first of all, they're going to say, how many times am I going to be on here?
01:27:38.000But one of the things is about what we were talking about earlier, that we were saying that people sort of find their area and it becomes like an echo chamber.
01:27:48.000And I think that's one of the issues with, whether it's veganism or even hunting, is that I think that people, they need to be, have these dialogues with people that don't necessarily agree with them so they can find out how the other person thinks.
01:28:03.000And, you know, if you do, if you are talking to a person who's a hunter and you find out that they're actually just a cruel psychopath, like, fuck man, I wouldn't want to hang out with that guy.
01:28:11.000I mean, I haven't experienced that, but I know they must be out there.
01:28:20.000And you were having a conversation with someone like that, I mean, it would be disturbing.
01:28:25.000But I think that most people that are, especially people like yourself or a guy like Remy Warren, Or Steve Rinella, very well-spoken, who's also an advocate for conservation, loves wildlife.
01:28:38.000If they sat down and had a long-form conversation like this with someone who's a reasonable person, who's a vegan for all the right reasons, who's a vegan because they care about life and because they want to be cruelty-free and they want to live life with as little footprint as possible,
01:28:54.000I think they'd be surprised at how much common ground they find.
01:28:57.000Yeah, I mean, if anybody spent a day in the woods with Remy or Adam, they'd be shocked at how much, not hunting they know, just how much they know about...
01:29:10.000The environment, about where they're hunting, about different species, about the animals and tendencies and foliage.
01:29:39.000There was a trend about 10, maybe 15, 20 years ago, where, from what I've read at least, obviously I'm pretty new to it, I've only been hunting for five years, but they were considerably worried, they were really worried, there was a real thought that the next few generations,
01:29:55.000that hunting was going to dwindle down to such a low number that hunters would not have the same sort of impact In terms of politically, where they could affect the retaining of public lands.
01:30:10.000And which is a huge issue with Americans today.
01:30:13.000And you're seeing it with this Trump administration where you're seeing the erosion of the Environmental Protection Agency and the erosion of the status, the protected status that some national monuments have and perhaps public lands have.
01:30:33.000Chaffetz, who had a very controversial bill that he had out that was pulled back.
01:30:37.000It was a bill to sell off public land that was pulled back because of the activism of hunters and people who care.
01:30:45.000Yeah, it was what they were going to determine was disposable.
01:30:52.000Yeah, three million acres of disposable land.
01:30:54.000Well, that was H.R. 621, and then there's H.R. 622 also.
01:30:59.000So there's two of them kind of back-to-back different.
01:31:01.000622 just took away the law enforcement on public lands, and they wanted to take it from the federal government and give it to the state, which people think that's just a way...
01:31:16.000Where the states can say, well, we can't afford it, so we're going to have to sell this public land.
01:31:28.000So if the state has to balance its budget, and it's not penciling out, and they can sell X amount of acres, and that's going to help, they're going to do that.
01:34:12.000I haven't asked him, you know, what's going on or whatever, but yeah, I mean, I liked the fact that he at least took time out to talk about it, you know, instead of just, I'm not sure why he did, but I appreciated the fact that he did.
01:34:28.000Well, he's an interesting guy because he saves money for the people by sleeping in his office.
01:34:35.000He has a cot in his office that he sleeps in to save money on hotel rooms for the people.
01:34:40.000So it's not like he's a total piece of shit.
01:34:46.000But Ranella has a very bad opinion of him based on his record with defending public land.
01:34:54.000And Ranella thinks that he does not understand the significance of these decisions.
01:34:58.000These decisions are a step in the wrong direction that will snowball out of control and will eventually lead to privatizing of public lands and the loss of the access to them by the American people that was all set aside by Teddy Roosevelt and all those people that had such great insight and foresight back in the day.
01:35:16.000Yeah, and that's, you know, that was the worry with, he says, well, no, I'm just taking the law enforcement away from these lands, or not taking it away, but giving it to the state.
01:35:27.000And like I said, with the whole budget thing, so people were thinking that when they don't have enough money, not just for the law enforcement, but for...
01:35:37.000Enforcing illegal timber harvests and dumping trash.
01:35:41.000And so when all that happens, that lessens the value of the land.
01:35:45.000So when the value of the land is lessened, then it's just like, okay, whatever.
01:36:05.000Jason seemed like a very nice guy when you were interviewing him.
01:36:07.000I don't know enough about that particular issue.
01:36:10.000But when you talk to a guy like Ranella, who is deeply invested in it and very well read on it, He is of the opinion 100% that it's an incredibly negative idea.
01:36:20.000Both HR 621, which is gone, and 622, which he thinks is equally negative, and he thinks it's essentially like a Trojan horse.
01:37:10.000People think that peanut butter and jelly is racist.
01:37:12.000This is how deep it gets, because white people eat peanut butter and jelly, whereas black people don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly, so to have peanut butter and jelly as a food choice in school for kids is racist.
01:37:26.000Because other ethnic groups don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly.
01:38:21.000We were talking about kids and about putting your kids through difficult things so they understand accomplishing goals and they understand how things aren't easy.
01:38:30.000You have to struggle through stuff and how it's hard today because You know, you're doing well.
01:38:44.000So you have to figure out, like, okay, how do you get this kid to understand and appreciate the value of a difficult task, overcoming that difficult task, and feeling that good feeling that you have of building character and knowing, yeah, I can push through something like you had to do during that tough hunt.
01:39:05.000And then you have that good feeling, the good feeling of success and of accomplishment and of realizing that you will fight those demons in your mind and that you will stay the course and keep hammering, as it were, and get through on the other end with success.
01:39:20.000And even though you've been doing it for fucking decades, those questions still come to your mind.
01:39:26.000For me personally, that's why I work as hard as I do, just because You get wake-up calls like that and you're just like, okay, I gotta be on my A-game.
01:39:35.000Well, it's one of the reasons why I like doing really difficult things, which leads me to what you've got me into is running.
01:40:53.000Well, that's one thing that I noticed.
01:40:55.000I didn't kickbox for a couple of weeks because I'd been too busy doing other stuff, and I wanted to keep with the running because I was getting some progress out of it.
01:41:33.000That's awesome Yeah, I was like deep into like the third and fourth round and I was still slamming the bag and I was like this is weird Like I've got like an extra gear here did have you dropped any weight?
01:41:45.000I'm probably like somewhere between 194 and 196 where I was hovering around 200. But I've dropped down before just by my diet, which got shitty again.
01:41:56.000Got shitty again when I went to Mexico.
01:41:58.000I gained like eight pounds in a week in Mexico.
01:42:33.000I just I'm definitely going to keep doing it and keep getting in better shape and then if Something if I decide okay, I need something to strive for yeah, then here's my goal Okay, I'm gonna do the keep hammering 5k next year and fucking kick ass at it There you go instead of this year when I did it where I was like,
01:46:10.000Like, the Instagram story was nice, but I would have really loved it if you guys were streaming, if there was a way to stream, like, more often.
01:46:17.000Like, if you had, like, very specific moments where you're streaming.
01:46:47.000But what's going to be interesting is you can be in a place like where you were, and you could...
01:46:52.000You know, call people from your phone, you could film things, you could stream live, and all that stuff would be available, and you would have real internet access in the bush.
01:47:02.000And that's what people, people like that, I mean, they're already asking, when's the film coming out?
01:47:06.000You know, we filmed this, Mark Womack, his company, Sub-7, filmed it for Under Armour, and we're like, we gotta turn this thing around fast, and I saw Under Armour put up that's gonna come out in the fall, and I'm like, fall?
01:48:12.000I really do think that it's made a big impact and I think you and Rinella and Remy Warren and Adam and the people that I've had on and Jim Shockey and you know, real representatives of the noble pursuit.
01:48:28.000The real Hardcore enthusiasts that truly have a deep love of nature.
01:48:37.000And they're giving these people this platform and giving these people this way to communicate these ideas.
01:48:43.000I think the millions and millions of people that have listened to you guys, it's changed perception.
01:48:48.000And I think that perception, there's a ripple effect.
01:48:51.000And that perception is going to lead people to maybe read your book or read maybe Rinella's book, Meat Eater, or maybe listen to some of these books on tape or maybe look into Aldo Leopold or look into some of these people that have really been...
01:49:08.000These huge figures in conservation and the love of wildlife and hunting, and they'll get a different understanding of it than people have had because of movies like that split movie where the hunters are portrayed as a child molester.
01:49:21.000Well, it's like right now, you know, you said hunting was dying or, you know, that was the fear.
01:49:26.000And now, like, in my Instagram page, it's 20-year-old guys, you know, that are into it and are buying bows and the bow rack back home is packed and, you know...
01:49:38.000Eva Shockey and I will do appearances and we have a line that goes for hours, you know, young girls waiting for her because she's a hunter, you know, and her book coming out, Taking Aim, is about that lifestyle.
01:49:51.000So, I mean, I feel like we're sort of turning the corner maybe a little bit and so we just keep that momentum going.
01:49:57.000I think for sure it's turning the corner.
01:49:59.000I mean, as far as what I see and the communication that I get with people online, I mean, the bow rack, are they experiencing an up jump in sales?
01:50:07.000Yeah, I mean, Wayne, the other day, I can't even remember what day it was, but he sold something like 40 bows.
01:50:55.000You know, I would love it if Hoyt had a place...
01:50:58.000Where ideally they had more than one place, you know, where people could go and you would get fitted, they would find out what's your proper draw length, you know, what weight should you start at, what weight arrows should you start at, someone could teach you what the proper form is,
01:51:16.000how to release an arrow correctly, and really understand, I mean, even if someone never wants to hunt.
01:51:22.000Just understand the meditative and beautiful effect of just launching an arrow at a target and have it hit that X. The Witchery of Archery.
01:55:10.000Not that anybody knows, but I remember we had the radio on down there, and there was some rap on there that I had no idea what it was, so it has to be from there.
01:55:21.000Well, there's so many different rappers now, though.
01:55:24.000There's no way you could know all the stuff.
01:55:26.000It's like we've reached a weird saturation point with music where there is no God.
01:55:31.000I mean, every year they're coming out with new music.
01:55:33.000Yeah, I know, but you get used to certain sounds or certain styles, and this was something I've listened to a lot.
01:58:47.000But I feel like people give off energy.
01:58:49.000And I feel like cities, whether or not something's happening or not, the amount of humans in there, there's a certain amount of energy that you feel.
01:58:56.000And when you're in a smaller town, you're calmer.
02:03:45.000When you hear elk screaming, like if the people have never experienced that before, even if you have no desire to hunt, please go to a place where elk live during the rut just to hear it.