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00:06:00.000My guest today is an interesting individual.
00:06:04.000He's a very wise man, very smart guy, also very aggressive, very aggressive with his ideas.
00:06:09.000He has a very popular YouTube channel.
00:06:12.000And man, when I tell you that I got bombarded by people that wanted me to have him on the podcast, I mean fucking bombarded.
00:06:20.000And he did my friend Dave Rubin's podcast, who's also been a guest on this podcast many times.
00:12:05.000I'm like an English liberal, as in I want universal rights, laissez-faire capitalism.
00:12:10.000I don't mind, I mean, socialized healthcare and a welfare state I'm happy with as long as it's universal, as long as it doesn't just apply to some, as long as anyone could access it if they needed to.
00:13:05.000They just didn't like this old man right that was there before.
00:13:10.000I think they call themselves the alt-light.
00:13:13.000I don't know whether that's a term of disparagement or not, or the new right or something like that.
00:13:18.000But the thing is, I don't run in these circles, so I actually don't really know very much about those guys, like the Paul Joseph Watsons and Senoviches.
00:13:24.000I don't find them particularly offensive.
00:13:26.000I just find them to be like a modern form of conservatism.
00:13:29.000I think Paul Joseph Watson is a very reasonable guy.
00:14:04.000You know, everyone's entitled to create their own sort of, and I'm going to use the word propaganda, but again, I'm not using it in a derogatory sense.
00:17:48.000Why don't we talk about something real?
00:17:49.000Did you see that woman, the Delaware professor, who was talking about that kid that got killed in North Korea, the kid who stole the propaganda poster?
00:18:08.000But what she had said is essentially he had it coming and that she's tired of rich, clueless, rich, clueless white people who come to her class.
00:18:18.000And then she just goes on this series of straw men who do coke and have no problem raping a girl at a frat party.
00:18:46.000And that's one of the wonderful things about the social justice warrior movement is that they've made it so it's impossible to be racist towards white people.
00:19:06.000Do you know what's really funny about it?
00:19:08.000Is they, by saying it's a power plus prejudice, they make it, they say, right, it's institutional.
00:19:13.000I say, okay, but that means you're taking away the word for interpersonal racism so if like an Asian guy goes up to a black guy and says hey N-word that can't be racism because he doesn't have institutional power and there is no word for racism between individuals now you've redefined it to be institutional so what is the word for interpersonal yeah it's like that old chris rock bit about for every black dude thinks he's tough.
00:19:36.000There's a Native American waiting to kick his ass.
00:19:42.000It's just, it is one of those things where it's like people are seeking problems, and they're also seeking to clearly identify themselves as being from a more compromised group.
00:20:07.000There was a big hoo-ha in academia recently because someone published a paper, I can't remember the name of the person, published a paper saying, well, look, what's the argument against this?
00:20:14.000If you can identify as another gender, why can't you identify as another race?
00:20:17.000Same logic, just apply to a different not necessarily because the argument of you identifying with another gender could be based on some sort of hormonal issue or some neurotransmitter misfire.
00:20:32.000There could be something that could be physically.
00:20:34.000There could be, if any of their arguments were hinging on the idea that that mattered, but it's not.
00:20:40.000They say, well, you can identify as anything you want because it's all a social construct.
00:20:42.000So you can do whatever you want with it.
00:20:44.000Yeah, that's where it gets slippery, right?
00:20:45.000Where it gets really slippery is that sex and gender are social constructs.
00:20:49.000It's like, well, clearly that's not true.
00:20:57.000Biological sex is based on your chromosomes.
00:20:59.000But your gender is a group of constructed behaviors around that.
00:21:04.000But it's constructed for a good reason.
00:21:06.000Men have got, you know, clearly got a superior natural advantage in things like strength and speed over women.
00:21:11.000And women need protection when they are, say, pregnant.
00:21:14.000You know, when they're looking after kids.
00:21:15.000They need society to look after them because they have something that needs protecting.
00:21:20.000And so we've got a whole, and each society, the reason you can tell that these are actually social constructs is because every society is different.
00:21:25.000I mean, in Saudi Arabia, the men walk in front, the women walk behind, and they keep their heads down and get, shut the fuck up.
00:23:52.000If I ask my mom who know, but people are familiar with the female feminist frequency.
00:23:56.000Yeah, yeah, of course your mum won't know.
00:23:58.000Okay, Niss Sarkeesian is an internet feminist who decided after making a bunch of videos on her YouTube channel in like 2009 through to like 2010 or something, 12, she ended up getting a sort of, you know, favourable reception with the progressive intelligentsia, who are very feminist, very pro-social justice.
00:24:22.000And they liked her patter because it's pretty stock, pretty stock in trade.
00:24:28.000And she came across as being very respectable.
00:25:59.000But yeah, so basically, Anit Sarkeesian comes from a school of sex-negative feminism and she decided that she would take advantage of all this.
00:26:06.000Now in 2010 there was a video, I think it was 2010, that the video was recorded in black and white of her in a university giving a speech where she says, I'm not a gamer.
00:26:14.000I had to learn a lot about gaming to get into all this.
00:26:17.000And then come 2012, I mean, but that video wasn't released until after she did her tropes versus women in gaming Kickstarter.
00:26:24.0002012, May 2012, she starts this Kickstarter and within the first few days, she starts posting updates on that.
00:26:57.000So what you're saying is masculinity and men checking out chicks is just bad and you hate it and the men are all bad for doing this and they're oppressing the women when they're doing this.
00:27:06.000Well, that's why I said it seems like she's a bit of an opportunist.
00:27:08.000She's got an angle and she realizes that there's a lot of attention that goes towards that angle and she runs with it.
00:27:15.000I mean, if I turned around and said all women are a bunch of manipulative slags who will take your money and run, they'd be like, you're a fucking mistaken.
00:27:22.000All right, but I got to stop you there because I don't think she's ever said all men.
00:29:19.000But what's interesting about it is if someone puts something out there, you're going to expect that someone is going to come along, especially a guy like you, that is very opinionated.
00:29:32.000And if someone has very different opinions than yours, you're going to have a contrary point.
00:30:40.000They basically had run around into the university's compute system, logged into a fake Twitter account or something, sent themselves a bomb threat, and the police tracked it down and they were like, we have the video camera footage of you doing this video.
00:30:51.000Yeah, yeah, it was actually really funny.
00:30:53.000But yeah, people are so funny with their need to be a victim.
00:32:07.000And it's just, and for her to go, the internet's being mean to me.
00:32:10.000Well, maybe if you weren't being a bigger online, they wouldn't be.
00:32:13.000Maybe if you actually did some solid work and didn't say video games are making everyone sexist, which they're obviously not, this wouldn't be happening to you.
00:32:19.000But the thing that pisses me off most about the accusations towards me of harassment, apart from the fact that I've never harassed her, and if there was any evidence I'd harassed her, it'd be all over the internet right now.
00:32:29.000You know, I mean, it would be nothing but Twitter.
00:32:31.000Of course, you know, because they're trying to paint me as a harasser when I'm actually just a critic of hers.
00:32:36.000And I've always been completely against it.
00:32:38.000But what really annoys me is that her Kickstarter, if you look at it now, if you go to it, you can pull it up now and you can see tropes versus women and like, you know, she's got a spiel and then, oh, the terrible messages, the harassment, the harassment.
00:35:29.000Instead of concentrating on her as a person.
00:35:31.000They've been debunked a million times all over the internet by everyone and their mother at this point.
00:35:38.000Well, what I want to get to, what's interesting to me, is like what causes them?
00:35:41.000What causes these people to group up into these weird sort of echo chambers and start reiterating things that don't really work or make sense?
00:35:50.000Like, there's no biological difference between men and women, especially when it comes to strength.
00:35:55.000And then the tropes about video games.
00:35:58.000And also, like, here's the other thing.
00:35:59.000Like, when that Gamergate thing happened, it was really fascinating to me that everybody wanted to absolutely lump people in one or two categories.
00:36:09.000And the two categories are people that are appalled to it, appalled by it, and that think that sexism is abhorrent and all this stuff is terrible.
00:36:17.000And then the other people who supposedly, if you wanted some sexy images in video games, you had to be a piece of shit.
00:36:26.000He's sex negative feminists, I was talking about.
00:36:29.000But it got into this weird category where people are like, hey, we don't want you meddling with art.
00:36:35.000And whether it's a Frank Visetta painting.
00:36:37.000Yeah, I mean, like, if you look at some of Frisetta's stuff with the girls with the bikinis and I'm not familiar, but famous fantasy artist.
00:36:46.000Oh, well, are we talking about like the 80s artists where they're beautifully painted?
00:37:22.000In fact, it seems you're kind of lionizing them.
00:37:24.000Look, this is the perfect depiction of what the artist wanted to see like a man look like in a huge rippling hero carrying the maiden or whatever.
00:37:32.000Right, but it becomes this weird thing when it's a man, people don't have a problem with it.
00:37:36.000Like no one says that it demonizes the male figure and that you have set these unnatural standards, so you've fucked with the self-esteem of all these young men.
00:37:46.000But you absolutely have in the same way you do it with women, like body shaming or, you know, having ridiculous standards for bodies for females.
00:37:57.000But they don't care because feminists dichotomize the world as women being oppressed and men the oppressors, and it's okay to hate your oppressor.
00:38:05.000That's the root of all feminist thoughts.
00:38:07.000But that's why I want to talk about this in terms of the ideas because I think it's kind of the same thing as the right versus the left.
00:38:13.000And I think it's all like a symptom of human psychology.
00:38:16.000Right, the right versus the left is tribalism.
00:38:18.000It is tribalism, but so is female versus male.
00:38:23.000When you look at this blind allegiance towards anyone with a vagina, it's very similar to someone who has blind allegiance to anyone who's in a red state.
00:38:44.000I mean, that was the big narrative forever.
00:38:46.000Yeah, but is that them saying he's holding them down?
00:38:49.000Well, there was always a thing that he was holding them down with the economy or that he was holding them down with Obamacare and he was ruining so many different factors.
00:39:00.000It doesn't sound exactly the same to me because the feminists are essentially what is called neo-Marxists.
00:39:07.000And they take the sort of Marxist dichotomy of the economy with the bourgeoisie oppressing the proletariat through their mere existence and their wealth and apply it to men being the bourgeoisie and women being the proletariat.
00:39:17.000Which is highly ironic given the evidently privileged status in society women hold.
00:39:21.000Well, that's when it got weird when everybody kept repeating that fucking wage gap thing.
00:39:26.000That was one of the most frustrating talking points.
00:39:36.000Because I just, I feel like human beings are inclined very naturally to form a group, to stay tribal.
00:39:44.000And then I think it works with, I think that is a part of what's happening, whether it's neo-Marxism that's connected to it or what, there's something that's happening with feminism versus masculine people.
00:40:25.000Thank the baby Jesus they got caught because like look man, there's nothing wrong with being male and just because you're a human with a dick doesn't mean you're a bad person.
00:40:33.000Yeah, but they think there's something wrong with being male.
00:42:29.000You're like, I know what you're doing, you fucking weasel.
00:42:33.000You know, you're putting women above all else.
00:42:34.000One guy I read his Twitter profile and he was talking about, he goes, oh, in his Twitter post, rather, he said, I'm going to stop calling myself a feminist until feminists decide that I'm doing feminism right.
00:43:44.000And hoping that the person you're selling yourself out to will treat you leniently.
00:43:48.000See, so instead of talking about individuals, what I'm really fascinated about is the psychology behind what's going on now in this culture of free expression.
00:43:58.000The fact that a guy like you can, not there's anything wrong with you, but I mean, a guy who's just a gentleman from England who doesn't have a connection to the media can, just by virtue of your ability to communicate and put out some YouTube videos and have some really good points, you can have this massive, massive following.
00:44:18.000And these ideas that people are spreading back and forth, even the weird ones like the Kakistan, the frog, and all that shit.
00:44:31.000What I feel like is Fox News and CNN and even major networks, especially all the ones that are trying to portray narratives, all the ones that are talking about the way life is.
00:44:44.000They seem to me to be like these huddled up executives at the top of like a giant pile of crocodiles snapping at them.
00:44:55.000It's like they have completely lost control over what people talk about and discuss.
00:45:01.000It's a spire of rock and the ocean's slowly eroding its way.
00:45:06.000Well, just 20 years ago, there was nothing there.
00:45:35.000And I think the only companies that truly understand that are internet-based companies that are trying to manage it, like whether it's YouTube or Google or even Netflix.
00:45:59.000The more range you give someone, the better.
00:46:02.000But up and down, it's just fucking silly.
00:46:04.000I mean, if I were going to review things, I would do it recommended, not recommended.
00:46:08.000And it would be quite subjective to my personal taste.
00:46:10.000It would be obviously, look, if you've been following me for a while, you know what I like.
00:46:13.000And I'd give my reasons and I'd try and explain it as accurately and concisely and as objectively as I could so that the largest sweep of people watching the video could understand why I felt the way I did.
00:46:24.000And so at the end of it, I'd just go, would I recommend it?
00:47:40.000When you get past the sort of, maybe the beginning of it is more shaking than the rest of it, but when you get past the initial sort of, this is weird to look at, it's fast-paced, it's action-packed, and it definitely taps into that sort of lizard brainware.
00:49:45.000They've all said good things about her.
00:49:47.000have all defended her and if it turns out that she is in fact an abuser which she did according to the vidcon code of conduct which would Oh, I can't remember it verbatim, but I read it on a video.
00:50:02.000It was just a quick message to Hank and John Green.
00:50:05.000And I know that thousands of people emailed them saying, hey, look, she did violate your code of conduct from a position of institutional privilege at VidCon.
00:50:32.000And then afterwards, all I got from her fans, and I mean like, you know, hundreds and hundreds of messages, and I've just retweeted them all night with exactly the same language she uses when she's displaying, oh, look at the nasty messages I'm getting of people calling me a garbage human, which is what she called me.
00:50:49.000And so she has done absolutely nothing different.
00:50:52.000And so I said, right, Hank and John, she's violated your code of conduct.
00:50:55.000Her fans, she's incited a cyber mob of harassers exactly as she claims I do, but she has actually done this.
00:51:02.000Then on the Saturday, she was due to be on a panel about cyber harassment.
00:51:10.000See, but it can't be harassment when she's a woman and you're a man because you are the oppressor.
00:52:29.000So, yeah, basically, you know, a liberal, there's no real argument against gay rights from a liberal perspective, because liberals want universal rights.
00:53:49.000I have a friend who was a big Whig at a big internet company, and they had to deal with that shit all the time, where they would have men who were far more qualified, who they were getting pressured to push out to make room for, like, they were specifically looking for a qualified black woman.
00:54:07.000They were going out of their way because they wanted to give out the appearance of diversity.
00:54:29.000I mean, they've talked to people who've famously come to organizations and said, I'm going to give you diversity courses, and you're going to pay me a certain amount of money, or we're going to protect you.
00:54:44.000Well, people don't like being criticized, and they don't want it to hurt their business.
00:54:48.000And especially if you're dealing with an internet business, internet-based businesses, you know, like Google, for example, Apple, classically liberal.
00:55:14.000It's taken me a long time to really be able to hammer out the ins and outs ideologically of it.
00:55:19.000And so I can explain it quite efficiently now because it's difficult.
00:55:22.000Well, what's really dark about something like progressive thinking, well, not progressive thinking, but rather affirmative action is that you're going to create a certain amount of racism by putting someone who's unqualified in a position just because of their color.
00:56:06.000But if people that are born in these crime-ridden communities and they get no assistance whatsoever from the very government that's sending billions of dollars overseas to assist these other countries.
00:57:23.000You've got to help these people, but you have to begin from a position where they say, you know what, look, I want help.
00:57:28.000Because if they're sat there going, I don't want to change, well, then they're not going to change.
00:57:33.000Well, I understand that, but I mean, a lot of them don't even understand how they would go about changing, and they're constantly surrounded and reinforced by all these people around them that are in jail or committing crimes.
00:57:44.000I speak to black YouTubers occasionally, and a lot of them are like, you know what?
00:57:48.000They do blame a lot of stuff on the white man.
00:57:49.000They say the white man wants to keep you down and stuff like that.
00:59:33.000There was some recent thing that Redband sent me about some Playboy Playmate who died because the doctor, the chiropractor adjusted her neck and she fucking died.
01:02:25.000The article was actually synchronicity because it was a conversation that I was having with Steve Ranella, who's a friend of mine, a couple of weeks ago, when he was talking about his brother's got some issue with atrophy and of his arm.
01:04:07.000I wish I could remember this guy's name.
01:04:08.000It was like a couple of years ago that I watched this guy doing this speaking tour.
01:04:11.000And he was a black doctor, but he's like a PhD in, I don't know, business studies or something like that.
01:04:17.000It wasn't like, you know, he was not a chiropractor.
01:04:20.000But I was absolutely loving his speech to like a bunch of kids in school because he was just saying, look, if you drop out, you won't get to where you want to go.
01:04:29.000I mean, you've got to look at it, just look at it sensibly.
01:04:31.000Just look at it through an Aristotelian lens.
01:04:48.000If you want to do something that's involved in school.
01:04:50.000If you want to get to a scientist, so you plot it and go, right, okay, so I've got to get to college, I've got to get to university, get PhD, then I've got to make sure that I've done all the right courses to get to the right field.
01:05:55.000Let's just take that as a premise, right?
01:05:57.000Okay, but does he actually, you know, he's not going to, I mean, they do actually have affirmative action for your university and stuff.
01:06:02.000So even if we still assume that this is somehow him being a racist and hating black people, you can still go, well, I can still take advantage of that.
01:06:09.000If what I need is these grades and these subjects, go and get those grades and those subjects.
01:06:14.000In fact, you might think, well, Christ, I might actually go for the grade up just in case the white man tries to screw me even harder.
01:06:19.000You know, I'm going to work even harder.
01:06:21.000And you think, well, Christ, that means you've got to work hard.
01:08:12.000Like the victim mentality that you were talking about when we're talking about like hardcore feminists that are constantly blaming men for things.
01:08:18.000But the problem is like, what is it like being a chick?
01:11:17.000I spent thousands of pounds to come here to tell you what an MRA is.
01:11:21.000No, but the thing is, this is the thing, right?
01:11:22.000This is, this is, and I say this with the greatest respect, from the more venerable generations than mine who are more used to the television.
01:11:30.000People don't watch TV anymore, and they won't go back to it.
01:12:52.000There's a narrative going around the progressive journalists that has already been debunked by an actual journalist called Tim Poole and the video evidence of the event that I personally took that I stormed the stage and started screaming abuse at her.
01:13:12.000Tell me an actual article that said that.
01:13:14.000There probably aren't any yet, but I bet you tomorrow or going on, there are articles about me and some of them will say something like, I abused her or she is some victim.
01:14:52.000I mean, you've got journalists like Ian Miles Chung, who said, right, so the prevailing narrative among journalists at the moment is that Sargon stormed the stage and abused Anita Sarkeesian, when video evidence says the exact same thing.
01:15:08.000They're going to be No, no, well, it's brewing.
01:15:11.000I mean, this is how these rumors start, and then someone starts reporting it, and then suddenly you get a narrative going on.
01:15:17.000I mean, and I'm not the victim of this because I've got a large enough reach to be able to say, let's switch videos now.
01:15:21.000Because I think people listening to this who have no idea who the fuck are Neil Sarkeesian is and don't even know who you are, there's a lot of people listening to this.
01:15:27.000I would like to get to more interesting things.
01:16:01.000Intellectual integrity is the most important thing.
01:16:03.000And the great thing about this, and the great thing about the way the internet works, is that, I mean, look at the people who are at the top.
01:18:10.000So if tens of millions of people have seen something, and then if I'm a Wall Street journalist and I come along and I find something that tens of millions of people have seen, can I rightly call that a scoop?
01:18:22.000Well, you can definitely call it a news story.
01:18:24.000And you can definitely say that people in the...
01:19:08.000But in their mind, like a scoop is them, the legitimate media.
01:19:14.000So pointing out something in the illegitimate, this new weird video blogosphere.
01:19:22.000So basically, PewDiePie, he's a comedian and he makes jokes.
01:19:25.000But he's a, like I said, he's a man of good character.
01:19:27.000And parents should be thanking PewDiePie for being the person he is because he's talking to their kids and their kids are going to grow up being decent people because of his influence.
01:19:36.000But the Wall Street Journal, Ben Fritz and Rolf Winkler, and there was another one, I can't remember his name at the moment, they decided what they were going to do is, and I don't know who put them up to this, obviously, but they were going to watch about six months of his video, go through and find any anti-Semitic jokes that he had made.
01:19:50.000Well, I mean, by definition, it's a joke, so there's not.
01:19:56.000He does a video every day, and they got about, I don't know, like two minutes of footage or something with him making jokes at the expense of the Nazis, effectively.
01:20:03.000And they were like, wow, this guy's promoting anti-Semitism.
01:20:05.000I would like to see those jokes because I've heard about them, but I don't know the actual jokes that he said that they were saying.
01:21:25.000So these videos, one of them was the funniest thing because they were taking like, and the jokes were like, you know, like, 20 seconds of joke taken out of like a 10-minute video, you know, where he's just, it's just like a cutaway to a parrot, you know, a skit.
01:21:39.000You know, like, you know, one of them was a joke about how the media takes his jokes out of context to try and frame him as something native.
01:21:56.000It's amazing that they had the balls to do that.
01:21:58.000And they were not only proud of what they did, they called it a scoop.
01:22:02.000And then they went to advertisers and said, look at this hate speech.
01:22:06.000But how did they get away with doing that?
01:22:08.000How did they get away with them to do that?
01:22:10.000How come no one from the Wall Street Journal sat them down and said, well, listen, this is definitely not him saying that you're going to take something out of context and then doing it, is it?
01:22:20.000Because if it is, and then you took it out of context and did exactly what he's saying you shouldn't do, that's kind of crazy.
01:22:29.000But they feel like they can get away with it because they're in the hallowed halls of actual media and they're putting this stuff out there.
01:23:52.000Following a request for comment from the Wall Street Journal, Disney said the videos are inappropriate and cut ties to Pootie Pie, who ran his business.
01:24:00.000Disney subsidiary Maker Studios cost Pootie Pie millions.
01:24:04.000In a January 11th video, Mr. Blah blah blah featured two men holding a sign reading death to all Jews after hiring them from a freelance website.
01:26:52.000It's like he doesn't take a lot to turn them.
01:26:57.000The really bad thing about this, though, is the fact that they didn't put this article out until they had taken these clips and dapped him into Disney.
01:28:15.000Well, that's a big mistake to a guy with a platform like that in 10 years time when they're voters and they're reading and consuming news, the Wall Street Journal will continue to be, they'll continue to go down.
01:31:33.000Kekestan is a parody of identity politics, and every identity politician hates it.
01:31:39.000Everyone who gets into bed with identity politics and say, yeah, what am I my blackness or Latina or my whiteness or my Jewishness, whatever it is?
01:33:26.000If they can go after PewDiePie, the biggest YouTuber in the world, then they can go after anyone.
01:33:32.000Yeah, but it's really dangerous to frame things that way because it's dishonest.
01:33:37.000And as soon as you do something like that and you make a dishonest representation of this guy, of PewDiePie, immediately every other thing that you print, I'm going to go, well, you guys already made that thing about Poodie Pie, and that was bullshit.
01:33:50.000Like you had to do a lot of work to make that.
01:36:48.000Well, the woman, one of the women who was responsible for it, called his wife a racist and was saying that white, she called for on a Facebook post, she called for white women to take this racist white, take her racist white ass out or something like that.
01:39:11.000There's these subjects that you can sort of intersect or inject your race into or your gender or the fact that you're trans or the fact that you're marginalized.
01:40:41.000They act like an enemy faction, an army within these things.
01:40:45.000And this is the reason that I'm so good at identifying this, because I'm really well read in power politics.
01:40:50.000If you want to know what's going on, what you need to do is read The Prince, read Alinsky, and read Robert Greene.
01:40:54.000That'll teach you how to understand these people.
01:40:56.000And these people are, I mean, everything they're doing is about power and control.
01:41:00.000It's about influence over what's going on.
01:41:03.000And at any point, you can break this influence by just simply understanding how they're gaining it.
01:41:08.000I think Jordan Peterson's got some pretty unique insight into it because he's been dealing with it for several years and in a very high-profile way.
01:41:14.000But one of the things that he said, he believes it's about revenge.
01:41:18.000He says he thinks that a lot of these people that are so active on campus and they're in this fever pitch, he goes, a lot of them were bullied and pushed around when they were younger and they were socially awkward and not in the good, cool groups.
01:41:52.000It's like that woman who thought it was okay to say that that guy who got killed, like that they would do Coke and rape girls at a frat party.
01:42:55.000And they were literally like, oh, proof that your white male privilege isn't universal.
01:42:59.000It's like, you know, if you're going to say that, I mean, you'd have to be a fucking moron to say that because everything about the ideology itself is contextual.
01:43:10.000There must be more white people around for it to work.
01:43:12.000And therefore, if we go to Zimbabwe, white people are hideously oppressed by their definition in Zimbabwe, when the white farmers are getting the farms appropriated by black African pan-Marxists or whatever they are, then of course they're being oppressed.
01:43:45.000But I think it's also what you were talking about where they want to make it all about them.
01:43:48.000Like here, this woman has taken this situation, which is horribly tragic, and now she's talking about students that she has to deal with that are white men that are doing Coke and raping girls at frat parties, just like this guy.
01:44:21.000And she's turning it on herself and she's a victim because she has to deal with these students and these clueless white rich male students.
01:45:02.000MLK was saying, I mean, that's the right way to do things.
01:45:04.000That's the most disturbing thing about this, is that a fucking professor who's teaching young people is generalizing this horrendous way.
01:45:13.000And she thinks it's okay because this kid stole a poster.
01:45:16.000And what did he think was going to happen?
01:45:17.000What did he think was going to happen?
01:45:19.000Jesus Christ, when you're 20 years old, you're not thinking.
01:45:23.000I mean, how the fuck does this dummy not know that?
01:45:25.000How does she not understand just the science of the development of the human brain, which has been clearly established over the past 20, 30 years?
01:48:24.000But it's how they define these things.
01:48:26.000If they have a different definition, if they say, we're structural, it's, you know, like, you know, institutional, we'll talk about racism.
01:48:34.000And you say, well, you know, I think racism, I don't think the structures are actually racist.
01:48:38.000I think that the individuals, certain individuals within the structures are racist.
01:48:41.000Then what you're doing is undermining their entire philosophy.
01:48:44.000And if you're undermining their entire philosophy by effectively individualizing it rather than collectivizing it, then they have to consider you an enemy.
01:48:53.000Because what you're, if everyone, if you go, yeah, and then someone else goes, you know what, that's a good way of looking at it.
01:52:49.000Wealthy billionaires who happen to be, obviously wealthy, happen to be watching this and think, you know what, we could get one over on these bitches.
01:52:55.000And we don't have to just let them win.
01:54:18.000Well, what I was saying is that the New York Times feels very challenged by Donald Trump's dismissal of them as fake news and all these different attacks.
01:54:26.000And because of that, they've sort of doubled down on the ethics of journalism.
01:54:29.000They've tried really hard to be better at what they do.
01:58:16.000But that doesn't mean that she's bad or anything like this.
01:58:19.000That just means she talks about herself a lot.
01:58:22.000But she's actually got this really great streak in her that's really fair.
01:58:26.000And so when, I mean, these people run like lemmings off cliff.
01:58:29.000When they get an idea in their head, they're like, oh my God, yes, we should all, you know, jump on, you know, like Lacey Green when she abandons their community or something.
01:59:51.000Oh, like, just, you know, I mean, like, one thing that annoys me is that, like, you know, six months ago, everyone was like, yeah, we love Lisa Green.
02:01:07.000It's not like a conscious choice to say, you know what, one day, I mean, I'm an atheist, so one day I'm going to be like, actually, yeah, I'm going to choose to believe in God.
02:01:13.000Do you either believe or you don't believe in it?
02:01:15.000Well, I can see what you're saying, but I think that when you're going over the possibilities of any subject in your mind, you're influenced by a host of factors.
02:01:29.000First of all, how you physically feel, where you are in your life, what kind of relationship you have with your family, like where your job is right now.
02:01:38.000I know a lot of people that hit the fucking bottom and then all of a sudden they became religious.
02:02:45.000Well, that term flip-flopper is so fucking hilarious.
02:02:48.000It's so stupid because it's a moronic political term and really only existed because politicians did not have a forum to defend the evolution of their ideas before.
02:03:32.000You know, it might not be what happened.
02:03:34.000He might used to be tough on crime, but then he was given evidence of systematic racism.
02:03:39.000Then he realized how corrupt the police department is.
02:03:41.000And then he realized that they have mandated quotas where they have to arrest a certain amount of people, and this is probably the best place to do it because those people don't have the money for legal representation.
02:03:57.000The internet's changed everything and for the better by a long term.
02:04:01.000And by the way, this is not discrediting real flip-flopping, right?
02:04:03.000Well, no, obviously, if someone doesn't really hold a position and they're just doing it because it's a popular thing to do, like Hillary Clinton, for example.
02:07:22.000They acquired a bunch of new land and they were going to expand the university and they got a lot of loans and they started construction, all this jazz, and apparently it just wasn't sustainable.
02:07:32.000And so now I think there's allegations, which of course, whenever something fails like that, there's allegations that someone mishandled something.
02:07:40.000So they've been forced to return to the state.
02:10:29.000Well, I also think that once Watergate broke, once you realize that, hey, it's pretty obvious this president is a fucking liar and a crook, and we need, if we have any responsibility, we need to expose this.
02:10:41.000Well, once you expose that, man, you open up that door, woo!
02:10:44.000People find out the genie's out of the bottle, and then they want to know everything.
02:10:57.000But if we all agree that we're all making a small difference and we think, okay, I'm going to act in a way that I find personally responsible.
02:11:02.000If we all say, right, well, we're all going to act in ways that we find personally responsible, we'll just end up with a better world without having to change anything.
02:12:04.000Especially if you trade in the stock market and then all of a sudden it causes a cascade of panic and people just start dumping their stock and you're fucked.
02:13:06.000I mean, like, they'll probably have to educate kids in school.
02:13:09.000When you see something going on on social media, you're going to have to fact check it.
02:13:12.000I think there's going to be much more sophisticated ways of understanding whether or not someone's being honest.
02:13:18.000And I think what we're looking at now is just like when people started reading books that were written, they never imagined that someone was going to have a printing press.
02:13:27.000And when people had a printing press, no one was ever going to imagine that you were going to put that on the internet.
02:13:31.000So I think there's probably something around the bend right now for us that's going to radically change the factual interpretation of information.
02:13:41.000Like you're going to know what's real and what's not.
02:13:44.000And it's probably going to be something that you're not even going to understand what it's about now.
02:13:49.000Like that as technology evolves in this bizarre and exponential way, they're going to reach some new critical way of distributing information.
02:13:57.000And then things are going to get very strange.
02:13:59.000Just the way they're strange now, where we have this radical new ability to put out content like you do or I do.
02:14:06.000I think in the future there's going to be another change that's just as monumental and just as huge.
02:14:11.000And it's probably going to deal with how we interface with that data.
02:14:14.000Like some sort of a wearable thing or a mind thing where you can recognize patterns as being true or untrue.
02:14:23.000Recognize humans as being honest or dishonest.
02:14:29.000We're going to get to, you know, people are really worried about the lack of privacy now.
02:14:35.000I feel like that is just step one to this ultimate, very bizarre, symbiotic relationship we're going to have with each other and technology where we're going to be inside each other's heads in a very new way.
02:14:48.000It comes back to kind of what I was saying about racism.
02:14:50.000Like the SAWs and like the Evergreen College students going, hey, if you do this, you're a racist.
02:14:55.000Eventually they just go, yeah, okay, I'm a racist.
02:15:37.000Well, even if it doesn't get you off and you watch it, you know, like, what if you're just like, what in the fuck?
02:15:42.000Like, if you look through my YouTube lists or you looked at my history online, you'd go, is that something you like?
02:15:49.000No, I wanted to see what the fuck it was.
02:15:51.000I just wanted to see what it was, yeah.
02:15:52.000I don't like car accidents, but I watched that motorcycle kick that car and the car spins out and hits the barrier and then flips that other car.
02:16:34.000But the thing is, this is the point: if we're going to a future where literally everyone's going to know everything about everyone, then nothing's really going to matter about any person.
02:16:40.000I mean, there's gonna be like, well, yeah, everyone does this, you know, you know, you know, exactly who does this, so it's not gonna be shameful, nothing will be shameful, nothing will be shocking.
02:16:47.000Everyone will just know everyone about everything about everyone all the time.
02:19:45.000Dude, not only did it not work, hundreds of thousands of people who took these tests were exposed to potential health threats because they thought, well, this is I know where my blood is now.
02:19:55.000So you could have gone more cautious or less cautious based on this or got treatment that you didn't need based on this or didn't get treatment that you probably did need based on this.
02:20:08.000Can you imagine the kind of person who does that, though?
02:20:10.000She's standing there bullshitting and lives at risk.
02:20:12.000Sociopath in some sort of a way, or unless she was lied to, too.
02:20:18.000I mean, who knows exactly what the actual story is.
02:20:22.000But the whistleblower saying, no, she's absolutely aware of it.
02:20:25.000And so now she went from being like the number one self-made female entrepreneur ever, where she was worth like $34 billion or something crazy, to massive debt.
02:23:17.000I speak to, again, my friend Kraut, who tells me about these things.
02:23:20.000she's famous for her, and I don't want to say flip-flopping, but I would actually be a lot more charitable and say her navigation of the political winds.
02:23:46.000Well, no, I think it means you lack credibility.
02:23:49.000It makes you look like you don't stand for anything.
02:23:51.000Well, look, as much as Trump lies, and he lied 600-plus times in the 100-plus times that he was in office, they did a count of all the times he said things that weren't true publicly, right?
02:24:04.000As much as he does that, everybody knows that's what he does.
02:27:39.000We literally make the cross sign, the thing that killed him.
02:27:44.000Bill Hecks had a great joke about that.
02:27:46.000He goes, it's like going up to Jackie on the asses with a rifle pendant on.
02:27:49.000He goes, just thinking of John, Jackie.
02:27:52.000Imagine if you're like a pagan or something, back in like the 7th century or whatever, and you're Northern European Lithuanian or something.
02:27:58.000And then these Germans come along and go, hey, we've got this religion about a dead guy.
02:28:50.000You know, it's really interesting because there have been religions in the past that thought that that was an evil god that created the earth.
02:28:57.000And everything in the earth is created by an evil god.
02:28:59.000And there is a loving god beyond it, but you can't pray to it.
02:29:17.000Well, money's not worth anything in the afterlife, sir.
02:29:20.000Okay, okay, well, whatever you want on it right and in the afterlife that's like saying if it's true in the afterlife i'll blow you in the afterlife but you're you're like an ethereal being you're like some fake i know man you don't know about you dude, I do know.
02:30:02.000Tomorrow, you know, if you go to a betting agency, it's like, well, actually, scientists have discovered that God is real, and it turns out that there are 72 virgins waiting in heaven.
02:30:11.000So maybe you should convert to Islam now.
02:31:04.000But they busted him and he sat down and gave interviews and said that he's being persecuted and said all the true facts will come to light.
02:33:14.000Well, also when you hear like the similarities between the Sumerian text stories, like the epic of Gilgamesh is really similar to Noah's Ark.
02:33:34.000Well, they obviously replace gods with God.
02:33:36.000And the thing is, we can even pinpoint the sort of time that it's likely to have been adopted into the religion.
02:33:41.000During the Babylonian exile, when the Assyrians conquered the nation of Israel and left Judah, they undoubtedly, they took them back to, well the Assyrians, the Babylonians, under Nebuchadnezzar, took them back to Babylon.
02:33:55.000And then there the smart Jews were, the elites, the educated people.
02:33:59.000And unsurprisingly, suddenly their mythos includes loads of Mesopotamium ideas.
02:34:12.000And there's no benefit into really trying to include the older stuff that they find either and try to like figure out whether or not these are connected.
02:34:57.000Well, it's all a myth, and it's fascinating.
02:34:59.000And what's interesting to me is the historical idea that these people were living by these stories like thousands of years ago.
02:35:07.000And like what, like, you try to put it in context, imagine what it would be like living thousands of years ago with no science, with no education, limited understanding of the world around you.
02:35:18.000And then there you are abiding by these ancient stories.
02:36:51.000I mean, yeah, but I don't really care.
02:36:52.000You know, tell me about the things that are external to you that actually are affecting things in you rather than things that are in you that are coming out.
02:37:01.000I just find it fascinating that there's like a certain level of like when you go back in time, there's a certain level of history where you just ignore those ideas.
02:37:11.000Like when you get past 4,000 years old, like the epic of Gilgamesh, there's no one who's trying to live by the Sumerian text.
02:37:19.000There's no one who's treating that as a religion, right?
02:37:21.000The ancient Mesopotamian stories are basically thought of as purely myths.
02:38:39.000Yeah, but they did tell me before they left that I could have nine wives.
02:38:44.000So I think when these bitches want to get one.
02:38:46.000Do you know one of my favorite things about the Quran and the Hadiths is that Muhammad basically used to pull these fucking dictates from God out of his ass.
02:38:54.000And at one point, his child bride turned around to him and said, you know, paraphrasing, but you know, these are coming at surprisingly convenient times for you, Muhammad.
02:39:48.000Imagine if they had in every city like SJW police who went around saying, right, blacks over there, whites over there, men over here, women over here.
02:39:56.000And if you were even caught in, you know, fraternizing with the opposite race or sex, that's it.
02:40:33.000Moral busybodies who've got no real morals at all.
02:40:35.000And people who lack a certain amount of objectivity, which is why that certain lady you kept talking about earlier feels like she can say those terrible things about you.
02:40:58.000But yeah, the Islamic world, the Wahhabis, it was really interesting.
02:41:01.000I read Force and Fanaticism by Simon Ross Valentine, an English professor who went and lived down in Saudi Arabia for three years to learn about their ideology.
02:41:13.000One of the most fascinating things is how much other Muslims don't like the Wahhabis.
02:41:17.000And I'm using the term Wahhabi, but what it's a school of Islamic thought called Salafism, and it can best be described as autistic screeching.
02:41:27.000It's like taking a really hardline interpretation, ignoring other arguments against this hardline interpretation, and going, you know what, just no, not even listening.
02:41:36.000And then just carrying on and seeing where that train of logic gets to you.
02:41:39.000And suddenly it gets to religious police, suddenly it gets to throwing gays off buildings and stuff that regular Muslims don't need to do because Muhammad, you know, they'll be like, well, not pro-gay.
02:41:48.000I mean, and this is another thing I'll get into.
02:43:35.000Even if we were just peaceful, peace-loving people who did nothing, they would still be like, well, Allah has told me to cut your head off.
02:43:41.000I mean, but again, this is a small minority who are widely despised by other Muslims.
02:43:47.000I mean, like, for example, if you went to a Christian school and everyone would probably fairly chill, you know, you still go to like, you know, a Catholic school or something.
02:43:55.000And most people you talk to, they'd be fairly chill.
02:43:57.000But in every group of people, you'd have a couple of people who'd be the sort of people watching you.
02:44:02.000And if you started doing something, they'd go and get the nuns.
02:44:04.000You know, they'd go, whack, you know, how dare you?
02:44:09.000It's just for Islam, they end up going and killing things.
02:44:13.000Because in Islam, you're told, right, if you die, and this is another thing that drives me crazy, they're like, oh, the 9-11 hijackers were drinking and carousing and doing drugs.
02:44:48.000And, well, you know, in the logic of the theology that they live under, they think they're going to die and that they're going to get it all rescinded, remission of sins.
02:44:58.000Isn't that the most fascinating part of it?
02:45:00.000It's just the things that people are willing to believe.
02:45:02.000Yeah, but they've been reasoned into it by, if you take, like, say, right, I believe that the Quran is the word of God, and I believe that Hadiths and the Sunnah are the actual sayings and doings of Muhammad, and you believe these things are true, then you're building from a certain base, and you need to, and basically it's how you construct arguments.
02:45:18.000And if you start leaving out parts of what otherwise is like a regular Muslim sort of theological argument, then you end up building like a weird tower over here that starts going off, you know, and the arguments start constructing themselves off to the left rather than staying reasonably central.
02:45:33.000I mean, like, most Muslims are never going to become terrorists because they don't autistically believe that a bunch of things just aren't true just because they don't want them to be true.
02:45:40.000You know, they're not cherry-picking from the Quran as much as the, well, you know, to the extent that the Wahhabists or Salafists are.
02:45:47.000And they all believe, do you want to know what they hate?
02:46:25.000Like, for example, the King of Saud had a hell of a time.
02:46:29.000Right, okay, so Saudi Arabia was founded by the Ibn Saud family in conjunction with Abdul Wahhab.
02:46:37.000He was a known, in like the late 18th century, he was a known theologian, and he was a brilliant man, but he was, I can't think of a better way of putting it than autistic, because he was really focused, hyper-focused on a single sort of strand of thought.
02:46:54.000And everything that he thought was either black or white.
02:49:13.000And the British, seeing him as a useful client, decided to help him out with a few maxim guns and a few, like, you know, biplanes or something.
02:49:20.000So they revolted against him because he wanted a car?
02:51:28.000You need more than one female witness.
02:51:30.000Yeah, you need another female witness to testify.
02:51:32.000And even then, the worst part about it, but a half a woman.
02:51:37.000It's entirely possible that the judge will punish her for tempting me.
02:51:41.000Yeah, because if she has a half an opinion and then the other chick has a half an opinion, that's still only like one person's human story.
02:52:25.000And it's just like, okay, well, I mean, any progressive whoever advocates for anything positive about Islam is an idiot and doesn't understand Islam.
02:52:36.000They've got, I mean, I've seen them going, Islam is the most feminist religion.
02:52:39.000Yeah, if you want to be made a second-class citizen, it is absolutely.
02:52:42.000If that's what you want feminism to be, the installation of a systemic oppression against women, sure, that can be feminism if you like.
02:52:50.000And that really is revealing about feminism, isn't it?
02:52:53.000What is going on lately with this weird sort of acceptance of, how do you say, hijab?
02:53:19.000And one thing that I've never really thought of myself as the sort of person who gets offended, but when I see an American flag hijab, I find that offensive.
02:53:56.000So is she wearing that to show that she's very American?
02:53:59.000That when Trump is saying that he wants to shut down mosques.
02:54:03.000Did you see that whole Megan Kelly thing with Alex Jones?
02:54:07.000I saw that he scooped her, but to be fair, I mean, Alex probably did say a lot of crazy shit, and he probably did a lie about a lot of crazy shit, didn't he?
02:54:15.000Well, in the past, he definitely said crazy shit about Sandy Hook.
02:54:27.000It's just that he's just always looking for conspiracies.
02:54:32.000Like, when you think you know for sure that something's, for sure, that something's a conspiracy, when you don't really know for sure, you're just saying it.
02:54:50.000Yeah, but he hasn't abandoned it and apologized for saying it.
02:54:54.000He's like, what he's done is like made this sort of like, he's sort of like made some video where he was talking to the parents directly and saying that he couldn't imagine and he feels their pain and I'm terrible for, I feel very sorry for your loss.
02:55:14.000But it doesn't go saying, I'm sorry I supported a hoax that's not true that says you were liars and your children were never killed.
02:55:22.000You know, there was a really crazy story that I read about a guy who was a conspiracy theorist and then his own son was murdered.
02:55:28.000And then he realized, holy shit, in Sandy Hook.
02:55:32.000He realized like, oh my God, this is how insane these conspiracy theories are.
02:55:36.000There's people that are, there's a whole movement right now where they think that polio was a massive hoax and that what polio was, was them injecting people with the polio vaccine because there was no polio and then injecting them with this vaccine, they hurt all these people.
02:55:54.000As someone who has been fooled before, I can tell you the only solution is education.
02:55:58.000You can't just tell these people they're idiots and never talk to them because they'll just think, well, you don't have anything to rebut me with.
02:58:33.000Because if you come out and say, I'm sorry, I'm so stupid.
02:58:36.000I really did believe these fucking idiots on YouTube instead of believing actual astrophysicists, actual people who are involved in the fields of cartography, airline travel, shipping routes.
03:02:01.000They think, well, they're trying to poison people or they don't understand that that's what happens when a jet engine goes through condensation in the air.
03:02:38.000And one of the things that scientists have speculated is that suspending some sort of reflective particles in our atmosphere, like satellites, that that would somehow or another protect us from solar radiation.
03:04:22.000They're pro-you know, corporate influence around the world because they run a giant corporation.
03:04:27.000The chemicals they're putting in the water technically were actually, he wasn't even going far enough.
03:04:31.000These chemicals were making the frogs trans.
03:04:34.000Like, it would, for 90% of the frogs, and it was only a certain chemical, a certain pesticide, and it was affecting a certain kind of frog.
03:06:00.000Like, these soldiers were about to start like, well, okay, I'm not feeling very horny, but now I've decided I like men.
03:06:06.000They would blow this stuff in the air, blow it up, and it would land down on them, and it would transfer them into gay people, and they'd be so ashamed that they would stop fighting and lose morale.
03:06:34.000Scientists at Wright Laboratory in Dayton, Ohio, working to make America's military even mightier, made the discovery in 1994, according to the detailed papers unearthed through a freedom of information request.
03:06:46.000And last night, they were finally rewarded with an IG or LG?
03:06:58.000Due to be announced next week, Mark Abrahams, editor of the Annals of the Improbable Research and the man behind the Ignoble Awards, explained, we don't know if this document was the start and end of it or whatever.
03:07:10.000In fact, this project continued and perhaps continues to this day.
03:07:16.000So to this day, they might be working on a gay bomb.
03:07:18.000Do you think Trump puts a stop to that?
03:08:12.000The ticks are found in the dense undergrowth and wooded areas as well as around animal resting areas.
03:08:18.000You know, I've been thinking about this, man, because I run in the hills where this ticks.
03:08:22.000I saw a tick, like Ari and I did a podcast the other day that we will release on July 18th, which is the day that Ari's Netflix special comes out.
03:08:29.000But we did a Podcast where we went on a hike and I put on a weighted vest and we went through the woods and did the whole thing that I do when I run.
03:08:35.000And a tick landed on Ari and we knocked it off and then we started talking about it and like going, is there a way to stop ticks from coming on you?
03:08:44.000Is there like an effective do they have a spray?
03:08:47.000Like ticks are not like mosquitoes, right?
03:10:04.000Well, I did this show that I used to do on the sci-fi channel that made me, this made a lot of people mad at me, and it also made me realize what conspiracy theories really were all about.
03:10:15.000The show was called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.
03:10:18.000So I would go and I would embed myself with these people and hang out with them.
03:10:21.000And I embedded myself with these Bigfoot people.
03:10:23.000And what I said at the end of it was, here's one thing that you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot.
03:11:30.000Oh, I've heard loads where they're like, you know, I was like, you know, five feet away from this Houston, and it didn't have like, you know, it didn't have a bear's face, it had a man's face.
03:11:38.000And they'll be like, you know, and it was, you know, looking at me and stuff like this.
03:13:48.000Well, I think it's some of these tropical jungle climates where there might have been, as recently as 100 years ago or whatever, there might have been a few of those fuckers remaining.
03:14:36.000It's like a sort of like one of those Blair Witch Project type movies about a couple that go up looking for Bigfoot, you know, and it's just a film where the original Patterson footage was taking place.
03:15:13.000I just wanted to know what the conversation was.
03:15:14.000It's like, look, if we get a male suit, I mean, it's going to look like a person in a suit, but if we get a female suit, they're going to be like, why would they put tits on it?
03:15:59.000They have information that Wikileaks knows, and they're going to spill the beans.
03:16:04.000I'll tell you, when it comes out tomorrow, it really is true, and then there's like an alien ambassador on the White House lawn or something.
03:16:09.000You're going to be like, oh, okay, I was, you know, you look like a prat on yourself.
03:16:37.000In a 12-and-a-half-minute video published in an unofficial YouTube channel on Tuesday, the video centers around recent findings by the American Space Organization, including the discovery of 219 new planet candidates, 10 of which present similar conditions to Earth, by NASA's Kepler Space Telescope team in June, as well as comments made by a senior NASA official.
03:18:25.000Yeah, so if they probably miss the president, they'll be like, okay, well, we have to think that if something is alien, that it could be so alien that all of our concepts of culture are so bizarre that there's no context for it to relate.
03:19:54.000But I mean, we can't recreate their sounds.
03:19:56.000Like, we don't know what their sounds mean.
03:19:58.000Like, if we said a bunch of shit to a dolphin, like, of course not.
03:20:02.000I'm not saying we can talk to dolphins or anything, but like with a dog, you know, dogs have got certain kinds of very, very primitive methods of communication.
03:20:10.000But like a dog whimpers, you know it's in pain.
03:20:39.000Well, if not superior, technologically far more advanced in that they've been alive longer.
03:20:44.000But when you consider the possibility of all sorts of different weather conditions, different life conditions, maybe different solar systems where they have zero concern about being hit by an asteroid.
03:21:08.000But that was my point, is that I think that aliens could potentially be so alien that they can't even relate to the concept of our ability to communicate with noises.
03:21:18.000Like they might be communicating with smells.
03:21:52.000That stuff really fits more into the Graham Hancock Randall Carlson mode of there being an ancient, very advanced civilization that probably was wiped out.
03:22:02.000Just like we know there have been civilizations that were wiped out, it's much more likely that someone, like say in Machu Picchu, someone was able to construct things that were like really confusing to us today.
03:22:51.000I bailed on it, but there's a whole slew of things you need as a civilization for humans to develop to high sort of standards.
03:23:02.000Population density and all this sort of thing.
03:23:04.000But it's not just population density, it's lots of other places that have high population densities.
03:23:09.000So in Africa, for example, you've got very few areas that have high population density.
03:23:15.000And so you don't have great civilizations like in sort of sub-Saharan Africa because they just aren't great cities, dense cities to trade with.
03:23:23.000And then you go, okay, well, what they had, it's difficult to trade because in Africa, and this is something that Thomas Sowell goes into, is that, look, the rivers aren't very navigable.
03:23:31.000You know, there are lots of rapids, lots of rocks.
03:25:36.000Okay, I don't think that's true, and I don't think they know that for a fact.
03:25:39.000And this is one of the speculations that Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson have presented, is that the evidence of this nuclear glass, which only exists on impact sites, before you go to your phone, listen to me so you can understand what I'm saying.
03:25:52.000Impact sites where meteors hit or where they've done nuclear tests.
03:25:58.000So they've found this stuff and micro-diamonds, evidence of massive impacts.
03:26:02.000When they do core samples, they found it at 10,000 and 12,000 years, which is essentially the same time period as the end of the ice age.
03:26:09.000I did a huge podcast on it with geologists.
03:26:21.000So with the Sphinx, or excuse me, with the Great Pyramids.
03:26:24.000The Great Pyramid of Giza, they've done some tests on some of the sediment and some of the stuff in between the stones, and they brought it to about 2,500 BC.
03:26:33.000They found like a pretty specifically.
03:26:34.000Yeah, they found a bunch of stuff that shows with a very high degree of possibility or probability that it's around 2500 BC.
03:26:44.000What they've done with this evidence of massive impacts- Yeah.
03:26:52.000But there's with rather the Great Pyrrhan.
03:26:54.000But there's plenty of evidence that there was some sort of a massive event around 10,000 and 12,000 years ago.
03:27:03.000And what their belief is that this is where all the stories of Atlantis come from.
03:27:07.000This is where all these stories of these great civilizations that were wiped out come from, is that most likely we experienced a big die-off.
03:27:15.000And a lot of people were affected by these disasters and catastrophes that coincided with asteroidal impacts.
03:27:22.000Maybe, but I mean, we know where the stories of Atlantis come from.
03:27:59.000Robert Schock, who's a geologist out of Boston University, has done a lot of investigation on the temple that the Sphinx was carved out of, like where the Sphinx is, the walls of the temple.
03:28:12.000And he believes it's from water erosion.
03:28:14.000There's these fissures, these deep erosion marks that they believe indicate that the temple of Sphinx, the area that's carved out of, is far older than the same, like they know that the Great Pyramid of Giza is 2,500 BC, but they always attribute the Sphinx to being the same timeline.
03:28:34.000Dr. Robert Chock from Boston University says that's not the case.
03:28:37.000He said, what you're looking at is thousands of years of rainfall, and they have hundreds of geologists that have signed off on this.
03:28:43.000This is not like, and there's, he goes over the physical evidence of these fissures and how they're made.
03:28:49.000He's like, as a geologist, I can tell you, you are looking at thousands of years of rainfall.
03:28:53.000The last time there was serious rainfall in the Nile Valley was about 7,000 BC.
03:28:58.000So what he's saying is it's entirely possible that there have been many different civilizations that lived in this area, and that Egypt is a civilization that might have gone back many, many thousands of years longer than just the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza.
03:29:14.000I wasn't talking about the Great Pyramid of Giza, really.
03:30:36.000I can easily believe that nomadic hunter-gatherers, they could have crafted that because you're just basically sanding and chipping a stone.
03:32:00.000I just can't remember off the top of my head exactly.
03:32:01.000That's the problem, but you're so convinced in your argument, but you're not really, you know, you haven't really spent a whole lot of time thinking about it.
03:32:10.000They're carving stern with three-dimensional objects in the stone, meaning like lizards that are on the outside of it, 19-foot tall, stone columns in concentric circles.
03:32:50.000For example, I'm sure if they went and did some sort of super high resolution scans on it or something like that, they'd be like, right, okay, this has been carved with other stone tools, or they can tell that it's been carved with copper tools or whatever.
03:33:02.000That won't have been carved by copper tools.
03:33:05.000Well, you know, they don't even know that when it comes to the Great Pyramid.
03:33:07.000In fact, there's a lot of people who speculate they figured out a way to make some sort of a diamond-tipped drill in order to make the king's chamber and some of the sarcophaguses.
03:33:23.000There's a simple vase in Egypt that they don't understand because it's carved completely out of one piece of stone.
03:33:29.000But it's so intricate and so hard that they've made this incredibly thin lip on this vase and they've gone deep inside of it and the whole thing is entirely smooth.
03:33:38.000They really don't know how the fuck they did it.
03:34:43.000If that didn't exist anywhere and then all of a sudden 10,000 years ago.
03:34:47.000Yeah, but if 10,000 years ago, something like the Parthenon and the Acropolis, if we could prove that 10,000 years before anybody had done anything else, that existed, you'd be blown away by that, right?
03:36:41.000That they don't know because stone you can't carbon date.
03:36:44.000Like the way they did it with the Egyptian pyramids, they got the material in between each stone.
03:36:48.000I can completely believe that, you know, like 30,000 years ago, 20,000 years ago, I could believe in a certain area of the world that a bunch of tribesmen who hunter-gathering, maybe seasonally nomadic, you know, for 100 years, you know, maybe it was a religious duty they considered it to be.
03:37:15.000You know, so I mean, we don't know how long this would have taken, but to have a bunch of carved stones upright, even if they're big, that just requires more people.
03:37:23.000That's not a great technological feat.
03:39:26.000I mean, yeah, I mean, if you want to speculate, there might have been a civilization like pre-Ice Age or during the Ice Age that had writing and metallurgy and, you know, great cities and international trade, agriculture, all the sort of stuff that we would...
03:39:47.000But when I say advanced, we mean not as advanced as we are now.
03:40:08.000I'm sure that for the time, like when a random tribe came over the hill and they saw Gabukli Tepe and it was incredible, they were just like, oh, the gods have built this.
03:40:16.000You know, that's what they would have thought, I'm sure.
03:40:18.000You know, to them, it would have relatively been incredible.
03:40:22.000And I don't want to take away the achievement for the people who made it because it's unbelievably good, especially for the time.
03:41:44.000But they think that these people had some sort of, you know, for the time again, what is an advanced civilization that probably needs to be defined.
03:46:49.000You know, they're like one century AD or something.
03:46:53.000Yeah, I mean, in terms of like ancient civilization, very recent.
03:46:57.000It's it's so crazy when they show you the history of it how they used to that whole thing was like Nero's backyard I mean that's really well and then they decided to once they aren't so bad.
03:47:09.000Yeah And this thing has gone through all these different various stages.
03:47:19.000And when they show you all the different things they used to do there, like have these boat fights where they would fill it up with water and they would raise these lions and all these animals through the bottom of the cage and they would fight against them.
03:50:19.000It took, you know, hundreds and years and gallons of blood.
03:50:22.000But eventually Spain became Christian again.
03:50:24.000And the Muslims and the Islamophiles who will sit there and go, oh, well, you know, Al-Andalus, yeah, it was stolen from someone else and these people took it back.
03:50:33.000I've got no fucking sympathy for these people who got kicked out who came in originally and weren't even supposed to be there.
03:50:38.000And I tell you what, the Muslims are fucking lucky that Columbus discovered the New World because the Spanish were basically just going to roll up all of North Africa.
03:50:45.000They were planning to take it all fucking back because this was all Christian.
03:50:49.000It really annoys me that people are like, oh, no, that's Muslim.
03:51:10.000But like, you know, when we're looking back at history through the lens of having a moral judgment about it, and they go, oh, oh, the Spanish kicked the Muslims out of Spain.
03:53:37.000I mean, like, the Crusades were distinctly un-Christian.
03:53:40.000I spoke to a historian Tom Holland about this.
03:53:42.000And I was like, look, how did they come to the conclusion that they should have a crusade?
03:53:47.000And he was like, well, they didn't get it from Christianity.
03:53:49.000And the Orthodox patriarch in Constantinople was just completely against the idea because there's nothing in the Bible that justifies it, you know, in the New Testament.
03:54:45.000Whichever the Pope was, he turned around and said, hey, I could create a spiritual kingdom or an empire, an empire of faith on earth.
03:54:53.000And he's like, why don't you all, rather than fighting each other in Europe, I mean, Europeans were not very advanced, but they were very, very warlike.
03:55:02.000And why don't you just go to the Middle East?
03:55:19.000And it's just like, look, no, someone needs to do a film about the First Crusade because the First Crusade is one of the most thrilling things you can ever read about.
03:55:25.000It's just the most, it's insane what these men did.
03:55:29.000I mean, they marched like a thousand miles from northern Europe and just they marched through and just did so much stuff.
03:55:35.000Like, the Pope first calls a crusade and it goes kind of wrong for him because everyone's, like, the emperor in Constantinople, the Byzantine Emperor in Constantinople, he says to the Pope, look, do me a favor, I'm getting thrashed by the Turks.
03:55:49.000I need about 4,000 knights, professional soldiers, good fighters, so I can beat them back.