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00:00:35.000Osborne Jiu-Jitsu has an academy there.
00:00:37.000When you decide where you're going to live, when you decide where you're going to decide to spend all your time, Like, do you ever go, what the fuck am I doing in the middle of nowhere in Arizona?
00:00:48.000I'm maintaining peace of mind and I remind myself of that right away.
00:01:37.000First couple years of being in LA, I realized it was just such an energy sap I needed to actually literally go someplace where there were very few people.
00:02:03.000Yeah, small town drama, big town drama, it ends up being the same thing, but you actually, it's not a stranger yelling at you, it's your neighbor.
00:02:12.000Well, I think the small town drama is better if there's a college in town for some reason.
00:03:46.000And he was laughing and having a great time and Floyd seemed like, he seemed a little rattled by like how confident this guy is when they were going face to face and standing off with each other.
00:03:58.000Yeah, give me some volume when they get face to face.
00:08:48.000And then before that, the Pacquiao fight, you know, look, he's definitely not in his prime.
00:08:52.000So, yeah, I'm saying, you know, so that was my first look.
00:08:55.000That's what you look at and you go, age, reach, all that stuff, size, watching what happened to McGregor up against Diaz, having that, wasn't really ready for that larger dude to hit him.
00:09:22.000The thing about Floyd is I think you have an idea of what you can do to him until you get inside the ring with him, and then you realize how good he is.
00:09:32.000He's just in a completely different zone all by himself.
00:09:35.000His movement, the way he's able to figure out what you're going to do, the way he processes your movement, throws it into his boxing computer, and then before you know, and he's catching you before you even know what you're doing.
00:09:44.000He's just a wizard, man, when it comes to boxing.
00:09:47.000The thing is, Conor is a way bigger guy.
00:12:16.000Actually, my screen, the screen at my house is so awesome that it's actually, it's worth, like, I have to, I have to, literally, I have to pay a thousand dollars to watch it, so if you want to come over, it's a hundred bucks.
00:12:27.000You have to pay a thousand dollars to watch?
00:13:02.000When the RED camera first came out, we had some friends that were using that, then they were using the Canon for a while, just filming on, and I don't know what they're filming on, I just know that over the last...
00:13:35.000They have trail cams now that are in 4K. So like when they're looking for animals in the woods, they put these cameras up on trails and they capture, motion capture, and they take video.
00:15:08.000I want to see how those things last because I'm not going to invest all that money in roof tiles if all of a sudden they find in a year that they crack under Arizona sunshine.
00:16:53.000No, see, I think that off the grid, in terms of non-reliance, but connectivity in terms of being able to figure out what's going on in the world.
00:17:06.000But I think even being off the grid, I feel like you can get to a certain point in today's society where you can be unplugged from your power and your water.
00:17:20.000But somebody's going to come for your water.
00:17:22.000There's various places around the United States where they come after you for growing your own food on your land.
00:18:11.000I think just being prepared and understanding that eventually there'd be an interruption in the water that comes to you and the food that gets to you.
00:18:19.000Just understanding how to grow food is not being a prepper.
00:18:32.000I mean, it's got to feel good when you have a glass of the wine that you've grown and created and worked so hard on, and just established this perfect time of keeping it in the barrels.
00:18:44.000And, you know, I'm sure there's got to be, like, massive satisfaction to that.
00:18:50.000Because, you know, it spirals out into all these other areas of understanding, again, how to grow your own food.
00:18:58.000You start talking to and communicating with people that you wouldn't normally talk to.
00:19:03.000Like, a Republican guy is not talking to the liberal Democrat guy and the...
00:19:07.000And this religion is talking to that religion.
00:19:10.000And, you know, there's all these economic, religious, political lines that get blurred because in that moment talking about growing a thing and sustaining a local community, a lot of those things tend to go away.
00:19:24.000Just turn this thing off and get back to understanding what it's going to take to make these exchanges and do these activities.
00:19:36.000Feel connected with people rather than this weird divisive crap that goes on in the world today.
00:19:42.000Yeah, I think there's definitely like we need to figure out how to spend more time just having regular normal day-to-day conversations because it seems to me like people are worse at it than they ever been before.
00:20:22.000I don't use that thing for talking to somebody.
00:20:25.000I don't use this to talk to people because the technology to me still isn't where it should be because I'll be in the middle of making a point with somebody and the phone call will drop and we have to start over.
00:21:20.000They also did an article about how Travis Brown and Ronda Rousey are fading losers.
00:21:25.000Like, it was the most ruthless article.
00:21:29.000It's a great argument for not living in a condensed population.
00:21:33.000Some of the articles in New York tabloid papers, they're so fucking mean!
00:21:38.000There's something about being in an island like Manhattan where everybody's stuffed in there, where people just get super shitty with each other and they find it okay to do so.
00:22:24.000So it could be that those kind of newspapers are very similar to what we're seeing with Facebook as far as the immediate feedback, and then they adjust the article and adjust the headline to not only make money from clicks, but also to manipulate what...
00:23:43.000Yeah, I don't understand what they're saying.
00:23:45.000So does that mean like one day they'll have a Jamie Vernon on a space holodeck in Arizona and they'll zoom you up to space, but then you'll still be here?
00:24:28.000What if it's just Heath Ledger's the Joker who's actually putting this out and he's figured out a way to get all of those billionaire people to jump on the spaceship that goes nowhere.
00:24:48.000And it could be exactly this kind of thing, this algorithmic you going down a rabbit hole in this narcissistic feedback on what you want to see, and then it tells you what you want to hear, and then it gets you to buy what you want to buy, but the thing you want to buy...
00:25:03.000Might be this rabbit hole of leveling the playing field for everybody.
00:25:37.000Well, that's not necessarily mastership.
00:25:39.000That's not you going to a master who has spent all this time doing a thing or researching a thing and got his master's degree in a thing, and then you go to this class...
00:25:48.000You take the time, the effort it takes to get to that place, and every step along the way is a new level of a revelation or some kind of epiphany of understanding of, oh, that's why we did this, and then now I can understand that.
00:26:03.000So destroying an entire base of ignorance and knee-jerk reaction, clicking on links and being fed horseshit, It almost has to be like a conscious effort on each individual to step back and go, I hate that Trump supporter or I hate that Hillary or Bernie supporter because of the things I've been told and the things I believe have been fed back to me.
00:26:56.000So I don't know if there's any way out of it, because the solution I'm talking about requires a lot of introspection, self-evaluation, and a lot of...
00:27:09.000Being more open than most people are willing to be.
00:27:11.000Do you know why I think there's a way out of it?
00:27:13.000Because a lot of people like you saying that.
00:27:15.000I know a lot of people that are saying that now and it seems like a message that's being broadcast by a bunch of people that have gone sort of through the gauntlet of life and had a bunch of trials and tribulations and they reach this point where they kind of have an understanding of what it's taken them to get there and And a lot of people like you have this desire to relay this information and people are listening and there's a lot of other people that are saying the same thing that have also gone through their own separate trials.
00:27:42.000And I think it's a more prevalent message than I've ever heard in my life and I'm almost 50. I'll be 50 next month and I feel like in my life I've never...
00:28:17.000OMG! Yeah, I think more people are talking about, though, man.
00:28:21.000I think it's not going to be for everybody, but I think there's way more people that are trying to do better with their life, do better with their mind, do better with themselves.
00:28:31.000So much so there's a lot of criticisms about the various methods and people kind of losing sight.
00:28:37.000And then there's a bunch of bullshit artists that are capitalizing on this idea as well, and they're not really doing it, but they're pretending they're doing it, and they're talking about it, but they're not really in action.
00:29:24.000And I think part of it is literally working.
00:29:27.000I think getting your hands dirty in the soil, like finding as a start, just think of it as therapy.
00:29:34.000Whatever money you're spending on a therapist, take that time and go find a community garden and just weed.
00:29:42.000Just go in there and plant some carrots, do something to just kind of like unplug and touch dirt and do a thing and reconnect with That cycle.
00:29:52.000If you can reconnect with that cycle of life in some level, you start to really understand what's more important.
00:31:41.000And then I was on the road, which is like one of the worst ways to recover from anything.
00:31:46.000You're trying to recover from being there in the moment.
00:31:49.000But the thing I did, finally found my rhythm.
00:31:52.000Because I think last time we talked, I talked about how it's hard to train on the road because I've got this thing I've got to do that night.
00:32:00.000Finding those guys, finding the black belts that understand the low-impact flow role, putting threads together, just doing simple positional drills, all those things.
00:32:15.000Now I've been able to train with Dave and Dan Camarillo, Henry Akins, Rodrigo Havaggi comes down, Todd Fox comes down.
00:32:25.000I've been able to train with a lot of people on the road.
00:33:04.000But the real work is done in the drilling.
00:33:07.000If you can't do it slow, you can't do it fast, especially if you don't understand what it is you're supposed to be doing.
00:33:13.000And if you have a good training partner, a role player, To help you and he's giving you the exact position that you're that you're trying to train If you got one of those pricks, it's like, you know bluebell purple belt guy like no I'm just gonna check I'm gonna adjust this position No,
00:33:29.000that's not what you're that's not what you're here for, right?
00:33:32.000Yeah, live drills are important But yeah, like dead drills are important to where a person just you just roll just roll through the the technique with them, right?
00:33:40.000Yeah, I mean it's like I've always found it really interesting how many people find it sort of in their life and it becomes almost like a replacement for religion in a lot of ways.
00:33:51.000It becomes like this grounding thing for them.
00:33:55.000Yeah, I mean, it's just, it seems like the real difficult things, whether it's jujitsu or whatever you're into, you know, I have a buddy that's into ultra marathons, that's his thing, like, it's just like pushing his body to run these crazy distances becomes like this weird sort of like centering thread in his life because he knows it's so fucking difficult that all the other things get easier.
00:34:42.000So my leg was laying across my head while they're in there So it's a full-on scooping out the hip, sawing off the femur bone,
00:34:57.000putting a spike down the middle of your femur with the ball on top, and then putting it back in, and then waking you up about an hour later going, let's go for a walk!
00:35:05.000Oh my god, how many inches is the spike?
00:35:50.000I feel like right where that spike connects to the meat, I feel like...
00:35:54.000Someone who's got a real good leg kick which is going right through that.
00:35:58.000Yeah, but I think the bone density, what happens with the bone density is that's why the healing process is so slow because the bone is actually healing around that thing.
00:36:21.000The one thing they don't have you do is, if you were to bend my leg back, my knee back that way, like a lunge back, and I do some kind of thing, it would pop out forward.
00:36:33.000Now, even with no weight, No, it would have to be some kind of weight that would push forward.
00:36:39.000But it used to be the way if I put my knees up on my chest to do like butterfly, the way that they designed the hip before, it would actually pop out that way.
00:36:47.000But now they've fixed it where it has to be this other extreme angle to get it to pop out.
00:39:46.000Okay, so it's like, you know, it's something like that, and then I started researching going, whoa, you know, we just discovered hep C a couple years ago.
00:39:53.000Maybe I shouldn't be putting some kind of weird foreign shit in my shoulders.
00:39:57.000They just discovered hep C a couple years ago?
00:39:58.000Well, you know, just hepatitis in general, like, it's, you know, it's like...
00:43:50.000He's a poker player, and his fame is from being this internet guy with a ton of money that flies around in jets and has all these hot chicks with him.
00:44:00.000He's always shooting guns and driving dune buggies and shit.
00:44:03.000He goes down to Mexico all the time and gets it shot in his veins intravenously.
00:44:07.000And I'm like, what does it do for you?
00:44:08.000He's like, I don't know, I feel fucking great.
00:44:39.000It's like you're energetic, but you're also loving.
00:44:42.000I think there's something to what we're doing right now where I think within the next 20 or 30 years, we're going to have a real problem with people not dying.
00:44:57.000That motherfucker, he's so egomaniacal, don't you think he'll be shooting stem cells into himself and trying to keep himself alive forever?
00:45:02.000Yeah, but he's gonna send anybody else off to go fight for the materials that go into those shots.
00:45:08.000Imagine if Trump found out about it before anybody.
00:45:10.000He started reverse aging, like Benjamin Buttons.
00:45:32.000I think there's so many other things going on that we're not paying attention to.
00:45:36.000But it is a testament to just the level of frustrations, I think, that people have had just with government in general.
00:45:46.000And the internet and the social media has been able to polarize us all enough to where we don't talk to each other to really sort out some of the actual issues that are going on.
00:45:57.000So you have this spectacle going on right now that It's amazing.
00:46:08.000It is a spectacle, but I always wonder whether or not it's an orchestrated spectacle or whether we just try to find patterns when patterns don't even exist.
00:46:15.000And what it really is is just this is just a goofy dude who loves attention and we have a fucking popularity contest to see who runs the country.
00:46:24.000And again, like I said, you go back, you know, just back it up to see were people really frustrated with the Obama administration?
00:46:30.000Were they frustrated with the Bush administration?
00:46:35.000Are they just looking for something different?
00:46:38.000Because if you look historically at places that have had some success as a country, and then they have some problems, they start seeing some issues and they just, whatever the incumbent person is, the party, the group,
00:46:54.000All they want is something else something different.
00:46:56.000We want to get rid of that but something different in and historically when that happens Shit just go sideways that just because they just wanted anything else and they got exactly what they got something worse.
00:47:08.000Yeah Yeah, that's the problem is worrying about it the same way you worried about technology like one guy can one day create one thing and it fucking ruins everything and you almost feel like that with like a president like we can ask for Something different and then one day we get it and it fucking ruins everything.
00:47:26.000What I worry about most is a lot of what he's doing like with this battle against the intelligence agencies.
00:47:36.000It's like if they start hiding stuff from him because they're worried that he's gonna tell stuff to Russian guys and you know and talk about certain things like like he revealed top-secret information about Isis want to use laptops as bombs.
00:48:32.000Again, all we can do, I think, is to step back and fight the battle.
00:48:38.000So if you can think of the battlefield as being your old school, you know, there's the goals over there, capture the flag kind of battlefield.
00:49:43.000So my prepper, that prepper side of me, is that person who, you know, what if we don't have, what if we don't have electricity for a week because of whatever.
00:49:54.000Yeah, just, you know, just be, have an understanding of what that is so that when it's just a starter, a precursor, or just a dry run of what What happens when that rock does fall from the sky?
00:50:54.000Because if it's isolated, because we've had tsunamis in large cities, nobody does anything about it.
00:51:01.000It would have to be, we had Katrina, but that's down there with those people.
00:51:06.000It needs to be something that's nationwide, that hits all of us at the same time, where we stop with this bullshit, stop with this polarized bullshit and start talking to each other.
00:51:33.000But we saw the feed up until the asteroid impact.
00:51:36.000It's just one big bright spark of light.
00:51:39.000And then everybody starts tuning into CNN. There's a huge crater where Vegas used to be.
00:51:42.000The asteroid, though, has an EMP that hits every single feed that goes to every single camera and TV. And it wipes out every electronic device that's been watching the whole thing.
00:52:06.000It has to affect them on some level that actually kick-starts their compassion gene.
00:52:14.000You want a balance between your survival gene and your compassion gene.
00:52:18.000Because, you know, you've got to figure back a long time ago the thing that helped us...
00:52:29.000We weren't stronger, we weren't faster, we weren't larger than the things that were eating us.
00:52:37.000We had to be smarter, we had to be clever, we had to come up with ways to create something from nothing to be able to defend ourselves against the predators that were eating us.
00:52:47.000So that creative juice was there, and we were establishing food, shelter, and clothing as well as Keeping protected from predators.
00:52:59.000And it was that creative side of us, that artistic side of us, that actually was, you know, that's what you have to thank, that creative side of us to keep us ahead of these creatures.
00:53:14.000And as time has gone on, when you no longer are threatened by these things, there's plenty of clothes everywhere, pretty much plenty of food everywhere where we live.
00:53:54.000No disrespect to the people that get caught up in that broken nail.
00:53:59.000Syndrome, but like that is what it is.
00:54:01.000It's your it's tragedies are Not tragedies, right?
00:54:07.000So we need some kind of life-threatening something that's really global and it's it crosses religious economic Social racial it has to cross all those lines to where people are like What the fuck?
00:54:20.000Yeah, it has to expose microaggressions for the preposterous notion that they really are Like, if you get hit in the head with a meteor and someone gets mad at a microaggression, they're two very different things.
00:54:33.000Did you see that meteor almost hit him?
00:57:25.000Is it true about wheat that there are strains that are wild or rather unmodified that are much more easy for the body to digest?
00:57:36.000Yes, so Hayden Mills is one of the many down in Phoenix that are actually milling the local wheat.
00:57:41.000So they're basically cultivating around southern Arizona heirloom wheat and that's the idea.
00:57:47.000They're going back to The problem with it, of course, it's always got to give the give and take, is that those heirloom, pure heirloom wheats, they have far less complex glutens in them, and they don't produce as much wheat.
00:58:04.000So just your production on an acre of land is significantly lower for the stuff, but it's tastier, it has more nutrients.
00:58:12.000And then from there, the next step, of course, is people understanding thyme.
00:58:18.000So you're taking that wheat, you're milling it, and then when you go to make your bread, any kind of fermentation in that that you're getting, you're inoculating that to...
00:58:31.000Letting this dough sit overnight, you're letting it rise for a longer period of time because that whole process is breaking down those glutens.
00:58:42.000So my sourdough bread is apparently gluten-free?
00:58:49.000The fermentation, you know, the rising of that dough is almost instantaneous, and it goes right in the oven, and then people are not chewing their food, they're just cramming it in, and it's probably coming from places that are doing a lot of pesticides and all the extra stuff that's going on those crops.
00:59:08.000The heirloom wheat movement ends up tying hand in hand with understanding the slow food movement.
00:59:17.000Take your minute, chew your food, understand where your food comes from, try to get it organic and local.
00:59:26.000That goes all the way back to the wheat.
00:59:32.000What happened is they, over World War I, II, trying to make sure that people are going to be fed during those wars, they were manipulating the wheat so that it was much higher production wheat, but now the flavor's gone, the nutrition's not there.
00:59:46.000It being resistant to all these things, all the glutens are very complex, and so when you're actually making the bread out of these things, or making pastas out of them, it's just, there's all this extra crap, you know, if you created a Frankenstein's monster with this wheat.
01:00:02.000So your body, of course, is reacting to all those things that have nothing to do with actually having bread or having wheat.
01:00:09.000A lot of people try to claim that there's no difference between the weed of today and the weed of the past.
01:00:14.000And they also try to claim that the only people that have issues with gluten are people that have gluten sensitivity, celiac disease, things along those lines.
01:00:21.000And my gripe with that is that I always feel that the people that say that, they don't have a good sense of their body.
01:00:38.000What I think is we want to talk about total optimization.
01:00:41.000If you want to talk about your body like running as smoothly as possible, for me at least, I notice a difference between eating a lot of bread and gluten, which I used to do a lot.
01:01:51.000Over here I have wine, and I get hangovers, and I get sick, and I do those things.
01:01:56.000So it must be that the Italian wine is better, or has less sulfites, or something like that.
01:02:02.000Well, most likely what it was is over here, you're a fat pig, and you sat in your house, and you drank a bottle of wine with your buddies without taking a walk in a foreign country, because you're walking to your restaurant there.
01:02:15.000You're having food, and you're eating over the course of three hours with your friends, and you're eating food with your wine.
01:02:23.000Most likely it has a lower alcohol content because it's meant to go with food rather than being this Mountain Dew with alcohol in it that you get out of California, right?
01:02:32.000You know, it's it's they're all in California once that we did not I did not I did now for a California Arizona thing we're going on maybe it may You're fucked.
01:03:00.000But yes, going back to having just the initiation of like understanding the conversation of heirloom wheat and understanding that there's a difference, arguing that there's a difference.
01:03:11.000Even if there isn't, now you're looking at it, maybe you're having less of it.
01:03:23.000Yeah, I read something about the French, how the French are always eating bread, but they do have that older wheat bread, and they eat a lot of fats with their bread, like it's constantly with butter and oil, and they cook with a lot of butter and oil.
01:03:35.000And those carbs and that oil together, apparently it's just a better fit for your digestive system.
01:03:43.000I didn't stick to it, letter of the law, but I did a little bit of a ketogenic diet for a minute where I cut out sugars, carbs, all those things.
01:04:19.000I feel like I have my nutrition, which is like I try to eat really healthy food 80% of the time, and then 20% of the time, I like to go to a restaurant and get linguine with clams.
01:04:59.000It's about the art of creating this sensory experience.
01:05:03.000Because one could argue that your well-being is actually increasing your life experience here and your quality of life by having this experience with these people, with these wines, that you'll actually feel better tomorrow or next week because of that interaction,
01:05:21.000because of that show, even though that's straight butter and that's straight...
01:05:37.000Also, when you go to a really good restaurant, and especially if you get to meet the cook.
01:05:41.000You meet someone who cooks something for you, and you can say thank you, and you have this cool feedback with the person who made your food.
01:06:45.000I mean, there's one thing to listen to a song that you have on your phone, you can listen to it over and over again, but when you're going to see a live concert, you're experiencing the guy, like, on stage, sing that song, you're experiencing the sound coming out of the guitar right when the guy's touching the chords.
01:07:01.000That's why this stuff annoys me, the phones at the shows, because...
01:07:06.000I'm a firm believer in oral tradition.
01:07:08.000I feel like I'm not from believe I just I embrace the storytelling.
01:07:13.000I embrace that whole tradition of oral tradition and being able to describe to your friends that sitting around that, you know, fire after a good long day of hunting.
01:07:22.000Well, you tell the story of the hunt and you do all those things and those family stories and other, you know, your grandfathers and your great-grandfather stories are told in that setting.
01:07:33.000And you have to remember that you're not writing it down.
01:07:36.000It's a tradition of understanding the details and being able to explain and expand on the details from your recollection of what you saw.
01:07:46.000But if you have no skills of absorbing what you saw, if you rely on this thing, To capture those stories for you, first of all, nothing you're going to get at a show is going to represent what you just saw or what you were there for.
01:08:00.000I guess as a postcard, I suppose it works, but it's not...
01:08:12.000And, you know, also as courtesy because maybe the person behind you would like to be that person who's pulling this all in and now your shit's in their way.
01:08:30.000At concerts, you see, everybody's got their phone out.
01:08:33.000So that first barrier we talked about, the ignorance, just getting past, understanding how to just get past not just what you think you know, all those things, erasing everything you think you know, get past your own ignorance,
01:08:50.000But just then that situational awareness kind of goes hand-in-hand with that Who are you not only in your world, but who are you in other people's world?
01:09:00.000When I'm driving, my primary mission is to get out of your way.
01:10:59.000Like, when you take on something like a restaurant or, you know, opening this jiu-jitsu school or any of the numerous projects that you do, you already are so fucking busy.
01:12:29.000Yeah, so it really does come down to understanding.
01:12:32.000I'm really good at planning, you know, planning ahead and looking at things.
01:12:36.000So if I think, if somebody comes along and says, hey, we're going to do a, we're thinking about doing a film, you want to be in the film, I go, well, when is it?
01:12:52.000Yeah, because there's things that I know.
01:12:54.000For example, if you're going to put out vinyl as a band, generally speaking, unless you're somebody who can make some calls and cut some corners, if you're going to deliver a master to actually cut vinyl, and nowadays you want your vinyl to come out on the day that your record comes out.
01:13:11.000You don't want it to be a delayed thing and have it all be scattered.
01:13:30.000So if you finally get all your shit together, and you've got your masters, you're going to do a thing, then you have to go, okay, well then, once that's there...
01:13:43.000The release date can't be any sooner than this date.
01:13:47.000Well, if that date is January 1st, that's not good.
01:13:50.000Nobody releases a record on January 1st.
01:14:08.000So you're going to release a record in the spring.
01:14:10.000You're going to release a record in the fall.
01:14:12.000That's when you release it, generally speaking.
01:14:13.000People release all summer as well, but the optimum times are optimum times.
01:14:18.000So just knowing that, okay, well, if it takes that long to produce the record and get, you know, set up press and do interviews, you know, as for lead times in a magazine or online, you know, interviews are scheduled out.
01:14:45.000You're always kind of looking ahead to go, well, in order to deliver that master, that means we had to be mastering that piece by here and we had to be mixing and, you know, mixing and then looking at the mixes again and fixing anything.
01:14:58.000It's going to retract something, any kind of, you know, scrambling last minute before mixing.
01:15:03.000That's going to take this amount of time.
01:15:05.000Well, in order to mix, we have to track, right?
01:15:07.000So you have to have everything written before you can actually track it to mix it, generally speaking.
01:15:14.000So that means all the songs have to be written by this day if you're going to record all of them and mix all of them and master all of them and release them all on the same day, right?
01:15:35.000Well, then we can start recording them tomorrow or next week.
01:15:38.000Now, how do you know when a song is finished?
01:15:40.000Like, if you give yourself a deadline, like, say, if you say, you know, we have six months to complete this album or whatever it would be, and you have a song that, like, man, it's just something about the songs.
01:16:22.000Remember that feeling when you were a kid where you'd get an album and some of the songs were just fucking amazing and then you would hear one or two and you're like, what the fuck is this piece of shit?
01:16:31.000How did this kid own a Rolling Stones album?
01:16:33.000Well, most likely it's because they had a deadline.
01:16:35.000And their record company made them, they were locked into a contract that said that they had to deliver by a certain time.
01:16:42.000But if you're not locked into that kind of a contract, then you can kind of take forever, which is an equally awful thing.
01:17:34.000Is it like more of a benefit now that you're, I mean, especially, I don't know if now you're dealing with the resurgence of vinyl, but it's been pretty steady over the last few years, right?
01:17:44.000It's kind of like a mason jar type thing.
01:17:47.000People are into old, funky stuff, you know?
01:17:50.000Yeah, I think there's still that nostalgic feel of touching the vinyl and being able to have that thing and listen to it.
01:17:59.000There is a difference, but I feel like, going back to what you had mentioned earlier about people realizing, I think we need to start looking and talking to each other again and reconnecting, and I feel like vinyl is another tip of that iceberg,
01:18:14.000of that reconnection of like, It's not long.
01:18:22.000Yeah, so one EMP away from all that stuff being gone.
01:18:25.000All those experiences you wasted, you were recording the fireworks rather than actually looking at the fireworks, and then you dropped your phone in the toilet, and it's gone.
01:18:38.000Or an EMP wipes out all of the servers that are on your cloud, and so all those photos that you thought were safe somewhere are no longer safe.
01:20:19.000When I released the first Pussifer record in 2007, From the time we started recording that record to the time we released it, there was one number of stores when we started recording, and there was one-fifth the number of stores actually in existence by the time we actually released it.
01:20:52.000So now this is all, it's all rolled back to where the small independent stores that weren't greedy, that really had a relationship with their customers, that enjoyed vinyl, that had all those things, those are the ones that have survived and thrived, like Amoeba.
01:21:39.000Yeah, that whole area is really awesome.
01:21:41.000So, when you make a run of those things, you kind of have to decide, like, as they're selling, when to make more of them, too, right?
01:21:49.000Yeah, well, as a small project like Pustopher, you're, you know, we're writing the checks, so you don't want to overproduce these things, because then you're kind of sitting on them.
01:21:57.000And for us, at the level that we're operating...
01:22:00.000You always want to operate in that level where it's...
01:23:38.000Very analytical and I think you know at some point maybe because so much time has gone by with from the last album there has to be some a little bit of fear in there you know in your gut like how is this record going to be as good as the last one you know the anticipation now is now the pressure is huge so I'm sure there's some of that goes into play but as far as the way that Danny and Adam and Justin write It's a very tedious,
01:25:19.000Yeah, so like, you know, when you have a lot of very strong-willed, stubborn, opinionated people that have had success, myself included, like when you give somebody some success, they're pretty convinced they're right.
01:27:05.000You're sitting there, and you're on your fucking break, and you're smoking a cigarette, and you're farting, and you're sitting there, and you're like, fuck this song, fuck this outfit, fuck his head.
01:27:17.000Yeah, it's like, it doesn't ever make sense.
01:27:19.000So, you know, so in my brother's defense, even Billy from Perfect Circle, he's slow-moving as well.
01:27:28.000But he has a lot of, you know, now we're starting to work on stuff that it's taken many years for him to kind of build up the cache of things that we're, you know, we're digging into to look at things that have been in development for, you know, the last six, eight, ten years.
01:27:40.000Well, you seem to have found this interesting balance because you're such a, you have so many different things that require your focus.
01:27:49.000But you're one of those dudes that has to get shit done.
01:27:51.000I've met a lot of guys like you that are just like, I'm getting shit done.
01:27:55.000You're either in my way, or you're gonna help me, or you're gonna get the fuck out of my way, but I'm getting shit done.
01:28:00.000And so you're like, okay, I can't get shit done over here.
01:28:15.000Like, you found, like, this strange balance of activity and then also relative isolation in your small area.
01:28:23.000Well, it took me a while to, like, you know, my desire to move forward, go, go, go, and get things done, you know, I'm always butting heads with the guys in the band in Tool.
01:29:04.000But I've had instances where I've started to write stuff, and by the time I actually got it around and back and were actually listening and whatever, the song had gone in a completely different direction, so everything that was written melody-wise or lyric-wise was completely irrelevant.
01:29:25.000I mean, I can sit there in that room and be with them in that room, but their process is so tedious and so, like, Rain Man that I just can't.
01:29:36.000I just start fucking folding in on myself.
01:30:20.000You've got to get a little friction in there, so I have to come in and puff my chest out a little bit and be aggressive and let's move it, guys.
01:30:45.000We're definitely very strong, four very strong personalities.
01:30:50.000You know, with Billy, working with Billy with Perfect Circle, he gets a little forest for trees sometimes, and I'm like the guy going, what?
01:31:35.000Because if we're going to track tomorrow, I can tell you, great, then we're going to line this up.
01:31:40.000But if we're not going to track tomorrow, and it's going to take this much time, Well, then I'm going to do this other thing while we're telling me when that day is.
01:32:03.000I'll digest these things as quickly as I can and keep that moment, that freshness of what my impressions are of the finished tracks, and we'll start.
01:32:38.000When you write something, say if you have an idea, if you're just sitting around and you're like, I have a thought, do you just sit down and do you go, okay, this is a Tool song, this is a Perfect Circle song, this is a Pussifer song, does it just like...
01:32:49.000No, because what I'm writing to is the music that I'm hearing from those people.
01:32:56.000I write to the music, because that way it's a unique island situation.
01:33:01.000Whenever I've tried to write, I've had some poetry sitting over here that I want to write, and I try to force it onto a song for any of those projects.
01:33:44.000I think it was Adam or Justin who had the riff, and at some point they were actually counting the riff, and it ended up being in 789. I think it was like a...
01:33:58.000A measure of seven, a measure of nine.
01:34:01.000I'm not sure how you would actually write that out in notation, but I think 789 is a Fibonacci number.
01:34:14.000Just that, you know, the actual 789, I think.
01:34:19.000It might be 987. For people who don't know what the fuck we're talking about, the Fibonacci sequence is a very unique mathematical sequence that appears in nature.
01:34:31.000If you look at, like, the pattern of sunflower seeds, if you look at nautilus shells, and what it is, it's an expanding fractal sort of a mathematical equation.
01:34:41.000I don't know if I'm saying it correctly, but it's like...
01:34:43.000The first step is zero, and then there's one, and then there's one, one, two, three, five, eight.
01:34:48.000Two plus, yeah, and it just keeps going on.
01:34:50.000But that's the Fibonacci number, like the whole number, like actual number sequence.
01:34:56.000There's the phi ratio, 1.618, anything multiplied by the 1.618, or not multiplied, the relationship.
01:35:08.000The difference in the length from this finger to this finger as opposed to this finger to that finger, those knuckles and your digits, those are all in that relationship of 1.618, the phi relationship,
01:35:25.000As it's growing, that progression is that ratio.
01:35:31.000And then the number breakdown is, as you said, it's 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13. Yeah, so like 1 plus 1 is 2, 2 plus 1 is 3, 3 plus 2 is 5, 5 plus 3 is 8. And it's like everything you count, you add what came before it.
01:35:48.000You've got a spiral picture of Giza Plateau showing you the...
01:35:52.000Well, also facial structure, which is really fascinating.
01:35:55.000There's something about human facial structure that uses the Fibonacci sequence, and I read somewhere about why people recognize plastic surgery while it disturbs them.
01:37:17.000Like, when someone has a uniquely small nose and their face, you know, they might have a long, like, Ari Shaffir-type face, but then they have this, like, shrunken down nose.
01:37:34.000But, you know, in a way, a song like La Torella's with the Fibonacci thing, I feel like I kind of pulled a very pedestrian, sophomoric move by including those numbers in there,
01:37:56.000Everything that, all nature, all these things we're talking about, it's already here.
01:38:00.000By pointing it out, like, staring at it and pointing at it with those numbers present and the way that the numbers and the lyrics are, I feel like that, you know, it's good to let people know about it, but I almost feel like it was kind of a, it was kind of a dick joke,
01:39:55.000But one of the things that was always his thing on the mat, and I'm kind of paraphrasing, but basically you either win or you learn, especially in that high school or college setting.
01:40:08.000You're You're learning about yourself.
01:40:10.000If you went out there and you got your ass handed to you and you just got beat and didn't learn anything, well, yeah, you're a fucking loser.
01:40:18.000You take the moment, reflect on it, build on what you did wrong, and now you're actually, in a way, you've won.
01:40:50.000You know, you have great experiences because you're successful, or you have very beneficial experiences because you realized what went wrong.
01:41:00.000It's just one more wrinkle, one more piece of information, or one more experience that you can add to your database of knowledge, and it'll make you better at everything you do.
01:41:09.000So that, in a lot of ways, that's my biggest frustration in life, is when there is something that kind of goes wrong.
01:41:57.000I'm waking up in the middle of the night trying to figure out What the fuck went wrong?
01:42:01.000Yeah, that's the same with comedy cut.
01:42:03.000It's one flub joke or one one premise that you botched and just Yeah, you wake up.
01:42:10.000I'll wake up to pee and go fuck, you know, just I have to go downstairs and get in front of the computer And just start writing again, you know, just get angry.
01:42:20.000I gotta fix this fucking thing I gotta figure out what's wrong with it.
01:42:23.000I gotta make it bulletproof and Yeah, you're a unique guy in that you're all these different things that you're doing.
01:42:33.000I feel like they kind of like work synergistically.
01:42:46.000I'm a storyteller, so I'm involved in a lot of life.
01:42:49.000I'm doing things on many levels because in order to tell a full, more complete picture, a better story, having more information, a good actor is going to do his research on the character beyond the character.
01:43:01.000He's going to find out about the region the character is supposedly from and their family's history.
01:43:07.000They're going to add all these things in so that when they have their one line, all that history is behind their eyes.
01:43:14.000So I feel like that's, you know, for writing, for winemaking, they're all crossing over together.
01:43:21.000They're all feeding each other to make it a whole presentation.
01:43:25.000Yeah, when you're managing the You know a crop of grapes and putting together a wine and you got a restaurant going on you're working on your jujitsu and then you're writing songs You're living all these different experiences.
01:43:40.000You have so much feeding into your consciousness There's so many variables that you're attending to that it just keeps your mind sharp and fresh and and it creates I mean, not necessarily like conflict, but issues.
01:43:55.000There's live things that need to be figured out and solutions need to be created for problems.
01:44:03.000It's not like there's something that happens to certain people, they get too locked into one thing, I feel, that they just run out of juice, they run out of things to discuss, they run out of perspective.
01:44:17.000I mean, you know, during the 70s, 80s era of music coming out, first two records are probably, those people spent their whole lives writing those two records.
01:44:58.000With comics, it's usually you have one or two good specials and then there's a big drop-off.
01:45:04.000You know, I think it's guys run out of stuff to talk about and usually you work for like Ten years before you do anything before you release anything.
01:45:13.000They're the best guys It seems like they worked like ten ten years and then they put out an album Or a comedy special or whatever it is and then you just your your life is about performing your life is about doing that thing and you don't have enough Options outside of that like a lot of comics turn to airline jokes and you know and things like Hotels and you start talking about that like that's your experience.
01:45:37.000It's constantly being on what's what you're exposed to talk about what you know right what you know Yeah, and that's what you all you know now is a fucking delayed flight But I don't know anybody else who's doing it like your way, like rock-style way, also runs a vineyard,
01:47:16.000And he's just sharpening his chops on the theater stage because he's a true, that guy's a real deal.
01:47:23.000But he's on CSI to get PAID! Yeah, I guess initially, I think most likely when that whole new era of TV was coming out, it probably seemed like a good idea for him to kind of just, you know, he probably had some bills to pay and he wanted to get on there,
01:47:41.000thinking it was going to be a couple seasons and he's going to get out of there, but then you're under contract and they're going, we'll keep you around if you do this, but I want to do this theater thing.
01:47:50.000I want to go do, you know, Shakespeare in the park.
01:47:52.000And they'll punish you if you leave, too.
01:48:26.000Yeah, well, I think it makes people go crazy.
01:48:30.000I think that's what happened to Johnny Depp.
01:48:32.000You know, Johnny Depp, when he started doing those Pirates of the Caribbean movies, you know, it's interesting, like, Johnny Depp at one point in time, and I'm a Johnny Depp fan, I think he's a great actor, seems like a wild dude, and he's buddies with my friend Stan Hope, and Stan Hope loves him, so he's got to be a good guy.
01:49:06.000He did a lot of really cool weird projects and then he did the Pirates of the Caribbean and that fucking group of movies has been so wildly successful that he's just made ungodly amounts of money to the point where he was spending so much fucking money they had some breakdown because he's involved in some lawsuit with his former manager.
01:50:02.000Among his most extravagant expenses listed in the countersuit were $3 million spent to blast Hunter Thompson's ashes out of a cannon and $30,000 a month spent on wine, the New York Post gossip column Page Six reported.
01:50:15.000Yeah, well, they're the same cunts that said that Ronda Rousey and Travis Brown are washed-up losers.
01:50:53.000He started buying all that shit when he got that Pirates of the Caribbean money, because you don't really want to be Jack Sparrow every fucking day.
01:52:55.000What are you talking about with guns and avocados?
01:52:58.000Yeah, but like, you know, just that whole politically correct thing, but then the anti-intellectualism that comes from what I would consider the lower right.
01:53:08.000Yeah, there's a far right that it does go anti-intellectualism, and then there's a far left that even though they might be more well-read and maybe intellectual, they put up these blinders.
01:53:20.000I mean, there's not a lot of, like, across-the-board objectivity.
01:53:25.000There's a lot of people formulating these preformed patterns of opinions that, you know, conservative opinions and just clinging to it or liberal opinions and clinging to it.
01:53:42.000I think most people really share, like, ideas that are conservative and liberal.
01:53:47.000And I think what's really important, we should be able to discuss these ideas without digging our heels in and just, like, being fully committed to one team or the other team.
01:53:58.000Whether it's conservative or liberal, even libertarian, they go real tribal.
01:54:02.000And they just, like, lock onto those ideas, and this is right, and that is wrong, and, you know, and it just, people don't want, they don't want to give in.
01:54:10.000And so then they fight, and they dig their heels in, and they, you know, they fight their opinion.
01:57:59.000Yeah, Dr. Bentley's case and several hundred others like it have been labeled spontaneous human combustion, although he and other victims of the phenomenon burned almost completely.
01:58:09.000Their surroundings and even sometimes their clothes remained virtually untouched.
01:58:37.000If spontaneous human combustion isn't real, then what really occurred to the many pictures that exist of charred bodies, a possible explanation is the Wick Effect, which proposes that the body, when lit by a cigarette, smolding, ember, or other heat source, acts much like an inside-out candle.
01:59:24.000So they're so fat that we become like a big greasy candle.
01:59:28.000It says no one's ever conclusively proven or disproven.
01:59:32.000The truth of spontaneous human combustion.
01:59:34.000But most scientists say that there are more likely explanations for the charred remains.
01:59:39.000Like, your wife fucking hates you, she hit you in the head with a frying pan, lit your ass on fire, threw you in the tub, and say, I don't even know what happened!
01:59:47.000I think it's one of them Ripleys believe it or not things!
01:59:51.000And then, you know, she's seen in the embrace of the hardware store manager.
02:01:48.000It doesn't hurt you as much as if you...
02:01:51.000The impact of a group of people hating another group of people so much that they...
02:01:58.000Kill them in a mass, you know, in a mass event.
02:02:01.000It's kind of insidious, though, if you really look at it objectively.
02:02:04.000Like, it's okay as long as they peacefully suck the vitality out of your body with chemical-dipped plants wrapped in paper that they trick you into sucking on once you light them on fire, and your body becomes accustomed and addicted to it.
02:02:20.000And we're like, hey, it's a stress-relieving choice.
02:05:52.000He talked to the people that work in the science department there, whatever the fuck they do, running experiments, trying to keep the Russians from invading.
02:07:59.000You know, I think that's one of the unheralded factors in people's obesity is not just the diet, which is a huge factor for sure, but also the requirements that you're asking of your body.
02:08:12.000Bodies are not used to sitting around doing nothing.
02:08:23.000What's the Hollywood babble on over what happened with Nunez?
02:08:28.000Well, she got something called sinusitis.
02:08:32.000She has apparently like severe sinus infections that affect her balance and they get really bad.
02:08:39.000And she got one the day of the weigh-ins.
02:08:43.000She made it through the weigh-ins and then she was having like a serious episode.
02:08:47.000To the point where they checked her into the hospital, and the word was that she wanted to compete, but her coaches did not want her to compete.
02:08:55.000They're like, look, you're having a really hard time walking.
02:08:58.000Apparently when your sinuses get really inflamed, it fucks with your equilibrium.
02:10:56.000But if she was that fucked up, I just can't imagine she wasn't that fucked up.
02:11:02.000I mean, it's got to suck if you spent millions of dollars promoting a fight, and then here it is, and then people bought the pay-per-view, and then it falls apart, and you've got to give refunds, and I don't know what the fuck.
02:11:14.000Welcome to the music industry when it was at its big peak in the 90s and people were writing big checks for stuff and like, oh yeah, we're going to get Mariah Carey for millions of dollars.
02:12:20.000And, you know, with fighters, one little dumb thing, walking up the stairs to the octagon, you can pull, you know, your ACL fucking separates from your body.
02:12:31.000Kevin Randleman was backstage preparing for a fight once, and he stepped on a pipe and slipped and fell on his head and was concussed.
02:12:39.000Yeah, like right before the main event.
02:12:41.000Right before the main event, he was walking backstage, he stepped on something, slipped, his leg went up on him, he hit his fucking head, and he was concussed, and they canceled the fight.
02:13:01.000And then for a fighter, there's so much about who they are is dependent upon their confidence and their state of mind.
02:13:09.000And if she hears that the UFC has pissed at her, she had to pull out of the fight, and then they say that they'll never have her headlined at an event again, I mean, she goes from being this Superstar with two spectacular performances against the most popular women's fighters of all time.
02:13:23.000Those two, between Misha Tate and Ronda Rousey, I would say, arguably, they're the most popular women fighters of all time.
02:13:30.000Coincidentally, they're both the hottest.
02:19:07.000I got yelled at, like, what do you have against people that are, you know, like, transgender, like, you know, you're giving up your junk if you lose to Rhonda, like, that's a bad thing.
02:22:13.000You can't have balls in a jar and make it seem like it's a bad thing if someone identifies with the type of person that wants to have their balls in a jar.
02:22:21.000How do you feel about transracial people?
02:24:51.000Ooh, your other bag is too big, but that's my carry-on bag.
02:24:58.000Yeah, but now that you're bringing a dog on, that is your carry-on bag, and that bag you have doesn't fit under the seat in front of you, which is where my dog's gonna be.
02:25:30.000So the point is that if I had a personal item, that goes under the seat in front of me, and the rolling bag goes up in that upper space that you have paid for.
02:27:25.000Like, if you have the paperwork, you can go into places that you're not supposed to have it.
02:27:30.000There's a restaurant that I go to that one of those ladies used to be hot back in the Disney, and now she used to be on that Desperate Housewives show.
02:27:37.000Now she's kind of getting up there in the years and getting a little wackier and wackier, I'm sure, as time goes on.
02:27:43.000She brings in a full-grown golden lab.
02:28:00.000There's like something about a little dog sitting in someone's lap at a restaurant that's like...
02:28:04.000It seems stupid, but maybe not so bad.
02:28:07.000But a lab, a fucking 70-pound big-ass dog laying on the ground, and this crazy bitch is putting everybody else, imposing her situation on everybody else.
02:30:29.000But what he does is he'll eat something and he'll have his wife eat something and then they'll do these tests, you know, like blood tests to find out where their ketones are and whether or not they're in a ketogenic state.
02:30:42.000And his body is like way more fragile in terms of like it's getting knocked off of ketosis than his wife's body.
02:31:26.000I think some of the people that cry bullshit, though, they don't really have much of a science background, and they're also been shown a certain way.
02:33:34.000I try not to eat a lot of it, just because, again, anything that's too much of anything is too much, so...
02:33:39.000Yeah, I agree, but what I've found is that raw milk and raw cheese, in particular, both those things, I seem to digest them way easier than I do the pasteurized and homogenized versions.
02:33:49.000Yeah, I mean, but how are you getting it?
02:33:51.000Do they actually have that in the U.S.? Oh yeah, you can get raw cheese at Whole Foods.
02:35:30.000I think the trick when you get into that, you start getting into that gluttonous activity with your world.
02:35:38.000It's the moderation part because you get caught up in like more is better and cramming it in and just being able to slow down and actually enjoy those experiences without just...
02:37:20.000There's some things you're doing in the vineyard that are kind of organic practices that are acceptable.
02:37:27.000But one of the things, when the fruit actually gets to the winery, I'm inoculating it with a packaged yeast.
02:37:38.000So something that might be an isolated strain from Barolo or from Tuscany.
02:37:43.000But other than that, at the end of the process, we'll add KMS, an SO2 solution to stabilize the wine and keep it bottled so it's safe in the bottle.
02:38:15.000Yeah, it basically just kind of preserves it.
02:38:17.000And some places that are paranoid about where that wine is going and how long it's going to be sitting in a truck and maybe it's not going to be refrigerated, they're probably adding a little bit too much.
02:38:27.000And there are some places that are actually adding, you know, other weird stuff, you know, enzymes and stuff into their wines.
02:38:35.000But in my cellar, it's basically, it's the yeast holes, it's the yeast, and at the end it's SO2. We're not doing any other weird additives.
02:38:45.000So the idea that there's like all these chemicals and all these extra things we're jamming into our wines is ridiculous.
02:40:16.000When you bottle a wine, is there an ideal time after you bottle that wine where it should be consumed?
02:40:25.000I mean you can bottle it the minute you can open it the minute it's bottle if you want to if you want to open it up right away.
02:40:30.000But is there a where like does the like when we drank that wine from like 1924 or whatever the fuck it was is that good or is that different?
02:40:39.000I mean, it's like if you have a wine that comes out...
02:41:01.000The storage of it, the cork, how that went.
02:41:05.000There's so many, so many, so many variables.
02:41:07.000But when you're talking about the track record of a particular site and a producer, there are wines that you just expect.
02:41:17.000If I'm going to buy this Latour, I'm going to buy this fine Burgundy, you expect that that wine has been held to a standard for a long period of time, like throughout decades, millennia.
02:41:32.000So you expect that I should be able to lay this wine down for 50 years and it should be okay.
02:41:38.000It'll be different in 50 years, provided none of those other variables, like somebody didn't pull it out and leave it on the counter in the sun for a week and then put it back in the cellar and 50 years later you open it and it's crap.
02:42:31.000That's why some guys buy a case or two cases of a wine that they know they're going to like, and they're trying them over time, and they're figuring it out.
02:42:39.000And then they'll have that wine, and they'll go, hey, guys, I just had the tenth bottle of wine from those 24 bottles, and it's starting to go over the hill.
02:42:51.000So there's a little forum or somebody calling each other back and forth going, hey, I think this particular wine has seen its best day.
02:43:00.000And they'll get back online and somebody will go, no, mine's fine.
02:43:51.000So there's like a level of pretentiousness that's acceptable.
02:43:54.000Yeah, again, everybody wants to, everybody's trying to find their way in life and try to find what makes them better than or different than or separates them or elevates them.
02:44:29.000Still water, sit around, bacteria growth.
02:44:32.000Yeah, still water, but also, you know, if you have in a situation where you have, like New Orleans, complete devastation of the water table, there's like decomposing bodies everywhere, and you can't drink the groundwater,
02:44:47.000you can't trust what's coming out of your well.
02:44:55.000We drink because it's safe because it's gone through a fermentation process, a process of purification, just like vodka, the water of life.
02:45:01.000It's the water that doesn't freeze, so you can go through the tundra.
02:45:04.000If you try to eat snow, you're going to freeze to death.
02:45:07.000If you try to melt the snow you're building, if you do have a fire, but the actual water of vodka doesn't freeze, then you can actually survive.
02:45:15.000You have to have water while you're walking through this frozen tundra.
02:45:19.000And you get the benefit of being drunk all the time.
02:46:47.000And then people started drinking mead and then mead culture changed the way people, alcohol culture, which is like a regressive, you know, losing inhibitions, wild culture.
02:46:58.000Is there any movement to bring back those leather wine sacks?
02:47:02.000You know, what are those things called?
02:47:28.000I mean, does anybody serve wine out of a leather thing?
02:47:32.000I would feel like that's the next Mumford& Sons type thing to do.
02:47:36.000Well, they do growlers, so if you walk into a beer bar, I think they allow you to bring in, if it's measured out, what that volume is, and you can refill your growler with beer.
02:47:56.000So like, you know, the TTP gets all weird and the liquor department gets all weird because like, well, the bottle has all the labeling on it that I need to make sure that you're, are you pregnant?
02:49:26.000If you're going to drink it fairly right away, if you go to the store and you're going to get a bottle of wine, you want to cram it in the fridge for the day to open it up that night, that's fine.
02:49:34.000But if you store your wine in the fridge, that's a little too cold.
02:50:17.000Well, this producer uses a lot of natural fermentation and they, you know, they definitely do it, you know, with their feed and like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.