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00:00:45.000There's a fence around it and everything.
00:00:46.000But that's less than a mile away from here.
00:00:48.000Yeah, the WIDA offices are out there and, you know...
00:00:51.000Weed was a big name in bodybuilding, the magazines and everything, so they flew me out here, did my first photo shoot at Gold's Gym, 1990, so yeah, 27 years ago.
00:01:02.000Man, I remember watching you in those magazines.
00:01:05.000You were the first guy, well, you know what I'm the first guy, but you were one of the first guys that I ever saw in a magazine that I was like, gee, how the fuck is that a person?
00:01:28.000And I came into the sport and I wanted to see what I could do.
00:01:32.000I wanted to, like, take it as far as I could take it, you know?
00:01:35.000Well, you represented to me as an outsider looking in this insane determination.
00:01:40.000I felt like all the best guys, whether it was Arnold or you or Lee Haney, all the top guys, they always represented not just the biggest and the most profoundly ridiculously muscular bodybuilders, but also this extreme dedication that was required to reach that level.
00:02:42.000That was there from an early age, I think.
00:02:45.000I was just very determined to do this thing that I felt I could be good at in order to change my life and change the projection of my life and the people around me.
00:02:56.000I grew up on a housing estate in the UK. I had no education.
00:03:00.000I was in a jail when I was 18. So I had all that.
00:03:04.000The people around me, I didn't want part of that future.
00:03:07.000I wanted to do something else and I got this thing that I was good at.
00:03:10.000I'm going to take it and run with it, you know?
00:03:12.000It's crazy how many people have similar stories like that, where they were in just a terrible environment and they realized that they had to toughen up, they had to smarten up, and they had to get out of there.
00:03:21.000And if not for those terrible situations, who knows if they would have ever reached the levels of greatness that they did.
00:03:26.000I can tell you from my point of view, I don't think I would have done.
00:08:04.000It's very simplistic, but it gets the point across.
00:08:07.000If you get a bit of sandpaper and you rub it across the palm of your hand and it's kind of bloody, if you leave it and let it heal up, what's going to happen?
00:08:14.000The skin's going to develop back a little bit stronger, a little bit thicker than before because it wants to protect against that stress.
00:08:38.000I'm going to do whatever it takes to get results.
00:08:40.000If it means training 30 minutes once a week or it means training 10 hours a day every day, whatever it takes, I was willing to do it and I would have done it.
00:08:47.000Training 10 hours a day is not going to build your muscle.
00:09:14.000Because every set, by the warm-up sets, you've got to warm up to be safe and everything.
00:09:20.000But the set, the real sets, I call them, we're going to go to absolute failure and even beyond with force reps, with assistance reps, maybe extra negative reps, which is something that most people neglect when they lift weights.
00:09:38.000But they're neglecting the lowering part of the weight, the negative.
00:09:41.000So I get people to really slow that down so you're taxing that part as well.
00:09:44.000And even at the end of the set, on some exercises with machines where it's practical, so you can't curl anymore physically on the positive, on the contraction.
00:09:53.000But your strength on the lowering is greater.
00:09:55.000So if you did curls and you failed, I could lift the weight to the top for you and you could lower it down for probably another three reps.
00:10:02.000So, if you had just gone to failure here, you wouldn't have exhausted the negative part of the rep.
00:10:06.000So, my thing is to exhaust everything.
00:10:20.000Trial and error and, you know, I didn't invent this system of training.
00:10:24.000As I said, people there before me, Arthur Jones, Mike Mensah, I just took what they did and refined it a little bit more for a competitive bodybuilder because...
00:10:32.000Arthur Jones was a competitive bodybuilder.
00:10:43.000So I probably did a little bit more than they did.
00:10:46.000So I adapted it to myself and my needs.
00:10:48.000Now, when you were at your height and when you're 265 pounds shredded and dehydrated and then 310 pounds in the offseason, you must be used to looking at yourself like that.
00:13:19.000And there's the thing with bodybuilding.
00:13:23.000Because bodybuilding, you're isolating the muscles, right?
00:13:25.000So you're isolating the bicep, you're isolating the tricep, you're isolating the deltoids, and putting stress on those muscles to maximize the muscle size of those individual muscles.
00:14:52.000It's like LA. Marbella is like, for me, it reminds me a lot of LA, but a mini LA. Without all the bullshit and the traffic and the crime and all that kind of stuff, you know?
00:16:00.000Unless you're going to tell me 100% that going through the inconvenience and pain of a surgery is going to give me what I need, then I'm not going to do it.
00:16:24.000So, yeah, sure, if I had a surgeon that says to me, listen, man, we're going to do this, and I guarantee you your shoulder's going to be stronger and more stable after it, because, you know, you've got to sit with your...
00:16:34.000In a sling for like six to eight weeks.
00:19:11.000They're shooting stem cells into the discs directly and regenerating disc tissue the same way they've been regenerating meniscus tissue and tendon tissue and things along those lines.
00:19:19.000I met a guy that trained out here many years ago in LA and he told me they were, and I've seen before and after x-rays of joints, That the joint's destroyed, he's got no cartilage, so you're looking at a replacement, and these guys have actually regenerated the tissue back.
00:19:35.000But it's quite a lengthy process of traction, like hanging upside down, hours of ultrasound, just to push a ton of blood into the area, blood supply, and then you can heal it up.
00:19:45.000You can actually regrow cartilage tissue, but it's not...
00:20:41.000Louie Simmons created this machine that when you lift your legs up, it strengthens the back and on the down, when it swings down, it's active decompression.
00:21:53.000One of the things about bodybuilding is that in isolation, when you're constantly isolating these things, Does that run the risk of, like, weakening certain areas?
00:22:03.000Like, you have to be, I would imagine, very cognizant about balancing everything out.
00:22:09.000I think, like, with bodybuilders, a shoulder injury is the most common because you've got the rotor cuff, which is small muscles and tendons, which gives you the mobility.
00:22:18.000That's why you can move it around rather than being a hinge.
00:22:21.000So what happens is, you know, your pecs are getting stronger, your delts, your lats, all these external muscles are getting bigger and stronger, but these guys inside are not.
00:22:29.000So eventually they get overloaded and you get some kind of issue there, some kind of tear.
00:22:34.000So when I'm training people now, I give them rotation exercises just to strengthen those areas so they can avoid that.
00:22:40.000But, hey man, I started training in the 80s.
00:23:39.000But I see people doing it now and with the bands and everything.
00:23:42.000So, yeah, people are doing more preventive stuff.
00:23:45.000It's fascinating because there's guys like Arnold, who were kind of the original pioneers, and then guys like you who came after him.
00:23:52.000But you were still, again, pre-internet, figuring things out on your own, learning from the guys that came before you, but taking it to another level.
00:25:51.000It's in all these little exercise books, you know, and like you can see the first one when I'm like 21 years old is a bit childish with the comments.
00:25:58.000It's like, you know, I felt shit today.
00:26:05.000So I got all this and I go back and look at it sometimes and it's weird because I can go back to 1988 and I can look in my book and I look at that workout and I was like...
00:26:17.000I was in this gym, and I was training with this guy, and I can't even remember what I was wearing.
00:26:23.000I can go back in time and remember that workout.
00:29:10.000If you want to get somewhere, I'll use that analogy.
00:29:12.000If you want to get somewhere, if you're a captain on a ship, you don't just get on a ship and say, hey, let's go sailing and we're going to get there.
00:30:40.000It's not the only factor, but it is a big factor.
00:30:42.000If you look at the Mr. Olympus, for instance, in the era of Frank Zane, And Frank Zane is a body that probably most people would look at and say, fucking hell, that's it, that's great, you know?
00:30:55.000They'd probably look at me and say, it's too extreme.
00:31:00.000But in the era of Frank Zane, who was Mr. Olympia?
00:32:58.000And I remember Tom Platt saying, you know, when I walk out on stage at a bodybuilding competition, I want to see those judges there with the pencil and the paper.
00:33:07.000And I just wanted to fucking drop that pencil and just say, what the fuck is that?
00:33:52.000Now, for me, the bodybuilding and the fitness industry, people are just really more concerned with the cosmetic, the look, and taking their pictures and putting them on Instagram and all this kind of stuff.
00:34:08.000It's almost a spiritual side of it, where you want to push yourself to that maximum and see how far your mind can go into the pain and all that kind of stuff.
00:34:44.000I think that's a reflection of the way things are, perhaps, in everything.
00:34:48.000But what's the difference in the way the bodybuilders approach it today?
00:34:51.000I mean, they're obviously doing something because they're still huge, and there's still, you know, these giant guys that are lifting weights.
00:35:38.000Yeah, so maybe they're relying more on the chemicals and they don't really...
00:35:42.000You know, I haven't really heard anything from any of the bodybuilding champions in the last 10 or 15 years.
00:35:48.000Anything interesting or new or revolutionary in their training methods.
00:35:54.000It just, you know, they don't really even talk about it that much now.
00:35:58.000Everyone just does the same stuff, you know.
00:35:59.000Well, it was at one point in time when no one talked about it at all, right?
00:36:02.000Like it was, you would get the magazines and they would tell you to take creatine and you could look like me, but everybody kind of knew, everybody who knew people, who knew people.
00:36:14.000You know, I remember I started in the 80s and I read the magazines and I saw a few things by Arnold and Mike Mansa where they kind of admitted they used something, but they very downplayed it.
00:36:25.000Oh, it's only for the last six weeks before a competition just to give us that last polish and stuff like that.
00:36:31.000And I asked a few guys in the gym, and when I first started, they were a bit cagey, like, no, no, no, no, I don't do that.
00:36:39.000You know, later on I found out they're all doing it, right?
00:38:11.000Well, not only that, for a guy that's not really that kind of an athlete to all of a sudden look like that, you've got to make some radical physiological changes.
00:39:00.000You don't want to get off because you took some stuff, you got bigger, you're getting more attention from the girls now, guys got more respect for you, your self-confidence is up.
00:40:07.000I didn't see it as being, it's almost removed.
00:40:10.000It's like a statue I'm working on, you know?
00:40:13.000So I wasn't tied up in, like, I was tied up in being Mr. Olympia because that's who I was and that, you know, somewhat a role you're playing.
00:40:21.000But the whole huge body, I didn't need that for everyday use.
00:40:26.000Well, that sort of fits with this whole Spartan image that people had of you.
00:40:31.000The image of you was like this guy that was just doing work that other people weren't willing to do in some sort of quiet isolation somewhere.
00:41:11.000I wasn't like building this body so I could get, you know, admiring from the girls or the guys going to respect.
00:41:18.000I was already like a fit, strong guy before I started, so I didn't come from that place of like, I need to do this to make myself feel better.
00:41:26.000I need to do this because I have some talent for it and I can change my life with this, maybe.
00:41:32.000I didn't know it was going to be Mr. Olympia, but I just knew that if I put my energy into this, something positive was going to come from it.
00:41:38.000And after a few years, I won the British Championship.
00:41:41.000And because of that, you know, I was British champion.
00:45:23.000When I was a kid, I was always like, why is Ali coming back, man?
00:45:26.000Like, just, you know, he's the greatest and now he's going to get beat by some guy because he's coming back.
00:45:31.000But you miss the fucking adrenaline or whatever it is of that, you know, of that all your focus, all your soul, everything is going into that one point and like...
00:45:42.000It's tough to replace, but you've got to know when it's time to step down, I think.
00:45:45.000Now, when you did decide, did you have a plan?
00:45:48.000Did you write out a plan like how to step down?
00:45:51.000Because you wrote out a plan for the rest of your life.
00:47:29.000Or even, I don't like to see athletes coming back.
00:47:33.000When they're not, as you remember them, at their best, and they're coming back and they're not so good, which I'm sorry, but inevitably at 50 years old is going to be the case.
00:47:42.000Is there any bodybuilders doing that now at 50?
00:47:44.000Yeah, Kevin Leverone, who came second to me, and Mr. Olympia, he made a comeback last year.
00:48:45.000Well, I've heard of muscle memory and I know that it's a thing, but has it been physically isolated?
00:48:51.000What causes that or how it is in your DNA? I'm not really sure if they have or if they're interested enough to do the studies that's necessary, but those of us, you know, that are in the sport, we know it happens.
00:49:02.000I mean, Arnold did it like 1974. I think Arnold was going to retire.
00:49:09.000But then he got this Pumpin' Iron movie that everyone's familiar with.
00:49:14.000So the 1975 Mr. Olympia, which the Pumpin' Iron runs around, he basically made a comeback for that just for the movie.
00:49:21.000And previous to that, he did a movie called Stay Hungry with Sally Field and Jeff Bridges.
00:49:27.000And I think he had to get down to like 200, 210 pounds because the director didn't want him to be too big for that.
00:49:33.000So he came off the back of that, and then he just put all the sides back on for the Mr. Olympia for pumping iron.
00:50:20.000So when a guy does get down to something like that, is it a matter of taking less steroids, working out less, like your body just naturally starts to shrink?
00:50:29.000Well, if you're taking steroids and you stop, then you're going to lose a lot of weight pretty quick.
00:51:53.000An anabolic steroid is a derivative of testosterone, which is a male hormone.
00:51:57.000So what they try to do is minimize the androgenic part of the testosterone, the male-like, and so you're left with more of the anabolic, the building part.
00:52:08.000But they can't completely minimize the androgenic part.
00:52:12.000So even though stuff like Winstroll and Anavar is less androgenic than testosterone, it's still derived from a male hormone.
00:52:18.000And if you take enough, you're still going to get the male side effects, which is pretty common in women's bodybuilding and fitness and so on.
00:52:26.000It's common in athletics across the board.
00:52:29.000We see it in MMA. We see it in women in MMA as well.
00:52:32.000Look, man, if you're a competitive sport, a competitive athlete, you're going to do whatever you can do to win.
00:52:40.000There was a study once done by a guy called Dr. Goldman, and it's called Goldman's Dilemma.
00:52:47.000And he asked a bunch of athletes, including, I think, Olympic-level athletes, So, if I could give you a pill that would guarantee you would win the gold medal or whatever the equivalent is in your sport, but you would die at like 40, 45,
00:55:08.000They've both been on here a couple times and very knowledgeable.
00:55:11.000Chris just did a great documentary called Prescription Thugs, too, about the prescription drug industry and getting people hooked on these pain pills.
00:55:21.000But in Bigger, Stronger, Faster, one of the things that was fascinating about it was...
00:55:26.000He was going over, like, we were told that this is going to kill you.
00:55:29.000We're told that all these negative health effects...
00:55:50.000There have been some deaths in bodybuilding.
00:55:55.000That may be attributed to steroids, and there's been a couple that are definitely attributed to diuretics, which is, you know, diuretics, you lose a lot of water, you can lose electrolytes, you can lose potassium and sodium, which regulate your heartbeat.
00:56:09.000So then you're playing Russian roulette a little bit, and a couple of people played that game and lost, so...
00:56:13.000Yeah, that's an interesting thing to point out because the diuretic aspect is critical.
00:56:17.000When you see someone on stage and you see them shredded, those guys are basically like almost dead, right?
00:56:24.000Well, you know, like probably the least healthiest fucking point you've been at all year is when you're looking like that on stage.
00:56:32.000Yeah, you look amazing, but I can tell you, you know, you feel weak as a kitten.
00:56:36.000You don't feel real good at that point, but...
00:56:38.000You know, you do whatever you've got to do that's required.
00:56:43.0001996, when I was competing, they had actually testing for diuretics because there was a couple of deaths and the people in charge started getting concerned, you know, this doesn't look good and that affects your revenue and all that stuff.
00:56:58.000They attempted steroid testing in 1990, but it affected the guy's look so much.
00:57:29.000Because the guy that's got more information and like the clearance times and all that stuff, they don't have to stop people from taking it.
00:57:35.000They're just going to take it and try to avoid, get around the test.
00:57:39.000And I don't care if it's fucking running, riding, Tour de France, whatever it is, it's going on to some degree.
00:57:46.000Well, what the UFC has done, and they've self-imposed this, is they've hired Jeff Nowitzki, the guy who went after Lance Armstrong, and he's the head of USADA. They just do random tests on people, and the punishments are terrible, like two-year suspension.
00:58:03.000If you get popped first time for steroids, I think it's a two-year suspension now for the UFC. Again, this is self-imposed.
00:58:10.000This is not even the Nevada State Athletic Commission or any other athletic commissions in positions, and they've radically cut back.
01:01:50.000How much is going to make a difference, I don't really know.
01:01:53.000But yeah, heavy exercise would raise your testosterone over a normal baseline.
01:01:57.000But once you get to a certain age, it starts declining in any case, you know.
01:02:01.000Now, when you started taking stuff and you started off with D-ball, what, like, at the height, what was the craziest amount of shit you were taking?
01:02:12.000The most stuff I took was in the off-season when I was training real heavy, trying to build size, because I had a regime that I used to get ready for contests, and I was always known for really coming in shape.
01:02:26.000So I didn't use so much stuff getting ready for a contest.
01:04:38.000I think the difference is in the training, that I train very heavy and primarily quite low reps compared to bodybuilders.
01:04:45.000I was working in 6 to 8, mostly 6 to 8, a little bit higher on the legs, 10 to 12. But everything I did was like 6 to 8 reps, where most of the guys are doing 10 to 12, and they're relying more on pumping, just getting a lot of blood volume into the muscle rather than overloading it.
01:05:01.000So I had a density and a powerful look to my physique that the other guys, when they stood next to me, they didn't have that.
01:05:08.000And that was just from really heavy training, I think.
01:05:11.000So you get the density of the muscle rather than just pumping it volume-wise.
01:05:14.000How did you figure out how to make that number, like six to eight?
01:05:24.000First of all, people in the gym, And also studies as well.
01:05:28.000Most studies would say for muscle growth, you need to keep the muscle under tension from probably 40 to 60 seconds, which in most cases would be 8 to 12 reps.
01:05:37.000So I went a bit lower, like 6 to 8. That worked really well for me, but not on legs.
01:07:10.000I mean, bodybuilders have got bigger muscles than powerlifters, but powerlifters can lift more weight, at least for one or two reps, you know?
01:08:04.000He looks out of shape, but he fucking hits like a baseball bat, man.
01:08:08.000Well, early in his career, he was bigger.
01:08:10.000And he stopped training weights and started training only sports specific, which is...
01:08:16.000It's a very controversial subject because if you talk to modern strength and conditioning coaches, they say it's absolutely the wrong approach.
01:08:22.000And if Fedor continued to do strength and conditioning along with his martial arts training, he probably would have been able to prolong his career.
01:08:30.000But who the fuck knows if that's true.
01:08:34.000It's very hard to say what would have happened, but the modern approach seems to be you have to consider strength and conditioning as a huge part of any regiment.
01:08:47.000In terms of, like, some of the elite athletes focus primarily on strength and conditioning in camp and not really on skill work because they feel like they already know how to fight.
01:08:58.000Well, the conditioning, it's all about, I mean, as far as the conditioning of their motions and their ability to react is already there.
01:09:06.000It's just a matter of building the ultimate gas tank and having the body that can perform and react as quickly and as fast and recover as fast as possible.
01:09:15.000But the guys that hit the hardest, they're not necessarily the most muscular, though.
01:09:21.000Like Tyron Woodley, who's the UFC welterweight champion, he's one rare guy that kind of violates the normal build of professional MMA athletes, because he's fucking jacked.
01:09:33.000But he's also very smart in his approach, whereas the consequences of engaging with him are extreme, because he has tremendous power.
01:09:48.000Then like maybe some guys can because if you get in a firefight with him like one shot from him puts the lights out on you so he's got this ability to and he's developed a very Very interesting way of fighting where he just paces his bursts,
01:10:04.000but his bursts are so terrifying like when he comes at you When he does sprint your way, he's so much faster than the average fighter and so much stronger that I guess in his mind, having all that muscle...
01:11:00.000It's a rare individual that can get up on the Mr. Olympus stage.
01:11:05.000There's probably hundreds of thousands of maybe millions of guys around the world that are in the gym training and maybe would like to compete.
01:11:14.000But you know, can everybody be a UFC champion?
01:11:20.000You need certain tools to start with, and then you've got to work on that and build that.
01:11:25.000But at least for athletes and fighters in particular, you see guys who don't have impressive physiques that have incredible records and wind up doing really well with their skill and their tactics and their mindset and their understanding of when to engage and when not to engage.
01:11:39.000With bodybuilding, though, it's very specific.
01:11:41.000If you were born with sloped shoulders and small hands, you're fucked, right?
01:11:58.000You need the limbs to be proportional for bodybuilding.
01:12:03.000Most of the successful guys, they tend to have a little bit longer legs compared to the torso because it just looks more aesthetic and makes the upper body look more like that.
01:12:20.000So you've got the length of the muscle belly, which is genetic.
01:12:23.000So if you've got a short bicep, you know, it used to tell you, I'll go to the gym and do preacher curls and that'll work, you know, you get long.
01:12:33.000So the longer your muscle bellies are, the more potential they have for volume.
01:12:38.000So somebody that's got uniformly long muscle bellies, With a good frame and a good metabolism that tends to have naturally low body fat, then you're looking at somebody with potential to be a good competitive bodybuilder.
01:12:52.000If they don't have all those things, Everyone can improve, but are you going to go win contests?
01:13:18.000So if somebody asks me, I'm just going to tell them, yeah, you can improve, man, but you're just going to waste your time if you dream about being Mr. Olympia because, I don't want to be rude, but you just don't have what it takes.
01:14:48.000You can get a guy who's the most dedicated, the most hungry, wants it the most, but when you're competing in basketball against Michael Jordan, you're kind of fucked because he wants it bad, too, and his genetics are just so superior.
01:16:47.000And the dad used to get him in the backyard there and just, like, knock the shit out of each other, you know, until they're, like, immune to getting hit.
01:17:15.000Well, your brain does not want to take that kind of punishment anymore.
01:17:19.000And what Chuck explained to me was that what it gets to is a point where your brain realizes that you're too tough and you're just going to absorb this punishment.
01:20:03.000I think what's going to come out in the future, and I've been doing this myself and getting great results, is very short interval training.
01:20:11.000They've done studies with five-minute cardio workout, and it's getting the same results as an hour.
01:20:45.000And that's just from doing a couple of times a week a 10-minute workout.
01:20:48.000And once a week I do a hard bike ride, but yeah, absolutely.
01:20:52.000Because you want to get the benefits from the cardio exercise, which is a more efficient cardiovascular system, but you don't want the negatives of all that free radical.
01:21:01.000So if you can get what you're looking for in a 10-minute workout, Why are you going to do an hour or two hours?
01:21:06.000I don't know if it would, you know, be useful for a fighter because you're going to be in a ring for all that long, so you've got to condition yourself for that.
01:21:13.000I'm just talking about for general health.
01:25:55.000Now, when you were in, say, like, out of contest, now, what your goals were to put on muscle that you would eventually, like, you would get bigger and bigger every year.
01:26:07.000I would try to, yeah, and then maybe there's certain areas where you want to, like, work on.
01:26:11.000At some point, that's a bit behind, so you put more focus on that and a bit less on something else to try and keep the balance.
01:26:18.000It might sound strange now, but when I first competed, my first contest, I lost to a guy called Mohammed Ben Aziza, and his back was just like freaky thick.
01:26:30.000It was like 3D coming out, and that just stuck in my mind.
01:27:22.000Why do you lose size more quickly that way?
01:27:25.000Because you get catabolic, you haven't got the energy, so your body can use the amino acid from muscle for energy, so there's a balance there.
01:27:32.000And also you lose the glycogen storage.
01:27:34.000Your muscle is 70% water, and the water holds carbohydrates in the muscle, glycogen, so you lose that as well, so you lose that.
01:28:01.000I think people now realize that fat's more important and there's probably more fat in the diet than there was back then, which I think is healthy.
01:28:11.000Fats have just got a bad rap and it's bullshit, you know?
01:28:15.000Well, we've talked about that several times in the podcast, but there was a New York Times article recently about how the sugar industry paid off scientists to fake results.
01:28:24.000And that was done in the, I guess, the 50s or the 60s.
01:28:27.000And that's haunted people to this day.
01:28:33.000I may be wrong with the organization, but I think it was World Health Organization.
01:28:37.000They basically submitted a study that showed how bad sugar was.
01:28:43.000And some department of the US government, which is getting a lot of money from the sugar lobby, basically said, I think you want to reconsider this.
01:28:55.000So that's where the whole fats are bad, low fat came from.
01:30:00.000Did you mix your portions up in like little Tupperware boxes or something like that so that you could know exactly what to eat?
01:30:06.000I used to weigh my food like pretty much all the time.
01:30:09.000I didn't eat in restaurants very rarely and yeah, I used to pack them up in boxes because You know, you've got to have it all the time, right?
01:31:24.000But when you're coaching these kids or talking to these kids about how to be successful in competitive bodybuilding as a multiple-time Mr. Olympia, one of the greatest of all time, if not the greatest...
01:31:36.000I mean, you can't have a holistic approach, can you?
01:31:43.000And I don't have the body now, necessarily, but I got all the information here that I can put across to people for the training, for the nutrition.
01:32:40.000So, yeah, I look on the other side of it.
01:32:42.000You know, young guys coming up, maybe they think, that's strange, like, and ask me, don't you do look at the pictures back and think, wow, I look like that?
01:32:49.000I'm like, no, I don't look at, I just look at that and I think, wow, that was fucking extreme and what I did and that's crazy and that's incredible, but...
01:32:59.000Does it weird you out to look at pictures of yourself?
01:36:22.000It's generally accepted in bodybuilding that the 90s was the peak of competitive physiques.
01:36:29.000As far as the standard and the depth of the standard, there were like six to eight guys on that stage that were like really, like if you were off, you know, those places could change.
01:36:39.000Now you've got one guy, Phil Heath, who's Mr. Olympia, and It's pretty, like, distance between him and the next few guys.
01:37:21.000So you got MMA, you got CrossFit, and you got all these other competitions now in the bodybuilding arena that's not bodybuilding.
01:37:30.000It's men's physique where they wear the board shorts and they're going to have the nice physique and abdominals, the kind of physique that most people aspire to have, I guess.
01:37:54.000This is a Mr. Olympia from 1996. It's myself, Sean Ray in the middle, and that's Ronnie Coleman on the end who became an eight-time Mr. Olympia.
01:38:17.000Well, it's also got to be hard for that tiny dude that's next to you, you know, because you're just so much bigger than him.
01:38:23.000The tiny dude has always been unhappy because he got beaten by me, but the thing is, he had a great physique, just like Frank Zane had a great physique.
01:39:23.000That's his weak point, but he's got huge, long muscle bellies on most of his body.
01:39:30.000His pecs are not great, but the rest, you know...
01:39:34.000The rest is, he doesn't really have any weak points, so that's why he's ahead of everybody else.
01:39:40.000And you just think there's just less people doing it now?
01:39:42.000There's less people going into competitive bodybuilding because there's a lot more avenues, and I think it's less popular now because it's almost like peaked out with myself and running and gone down a little bit.
01:39:54.000It's like, how do you surpass, it got to a peak, and guys are trying to do that.
01:40:01.000So, you know, they're trying to get big, and they're getting big, but they're getting big with a big waist and everything as well, so it's not the same look.
01:40:48.000And also I took growth hormone and that was the thing.
01:40:52.000A lot of people think growth hormone is going to increase the size of your internal organs and that's why guys are getting blow to waistline.
01:40:59.000So I went and had a real, I mean a battery of tests where they actually measure all your internal organs.
01:41:14.000So I... Perhaps it's fat that's building up around internal organs, or maybe it's just a lot of water in the intestines and it just bloats the waste out.
01:41:26.000The short answer is I don't really know.
01:42:57.000There's guys now, especially in the States, that, you know, they specialize in patients that are using steroids and all, you know, possible side effects and coming off and all that stuff.
01:43:10.000And after about two years, my normal testosterone was still not...
01:43:16.000Coming into the normal so then I went on the replacement therapy which is like twice a month Testosterone placement and yeah, then I felt normal again So the the come down like you you're taking this What were you taking like right before you stopped like what was the do you remember?
01:43:33.000Probably about a thousand milligrams a week total of testosterone a total of everything all kinds of stuff D ball everything a bit of testosterone a bit of Decker or something like that and then Then stop and then, you know...
01:43:47.000Was it a gradual effect where your body's freaking out or was it like almost instantaneous?
01:43:53.000It was probably after a few months I started like noticing I wasn't feeling too good.
01:44:01.000Sex drive didn't totally disappear, and actually my daughter was conceived while I was not on anything.
01:44:08.000I mean, they did trials with testosterone as a male contraceptive, and it was moderately effective, but not enough that they would market it.
01:44:16.000So, yeah, probably like six to nine months I was really not feeling good at all.
01:44:24.000And, you know, there's a lot of factors there.
01:44:26.000If I was still taking steroids, but those things happened in my life, would I have felt as bad?
01:44:32.000I don't know, probably not, but there's definitely a lot of traumatic stuff going on all at the same time.
01:44:36.000Now, was there any conventional wisdom in the bodybuilding community of how to slowly cycle off or what the factors would be and how you could mitigate them?
01:45:36.000He was there with his doctor and a couple of other doctors there, and one of the doctors told me that absolutely every guy that was in that 100 meters race tested positive.
01:47:24.000There was a car that got stopped in the border a few years ago in the Tour de France, going, you know, from France to somewhere, across the border anyway.
01:48:53.000So they wanted to take this, and they wanted this part, the anabolic, and minimize the androgenic, because that's what gives you side effects, prostate growth and all that stuff.
01:49:04.000So, they refined it so that those effects were minimized and more of the anabolic effect.
01:50:06.000And seeing that's all bullshit, right?
01:50:08.000So then, they don't want to listen to anything these medical guys have got to say, because you were lying to us then, so you're going to be lying to us all the time.
01:50:15.000Not necessarily so, yeah, because you do have chances of side effects, but...
01:50:20.000You could say it's been greatly exaggerated in certain areas.
01:50:23.000That's the problem with propaganda and deception, right?
01:50:26.000Yeah, just tell people the fucking truth, man, and let them deal with it.
01:50:32.000Because I saw all this stuff on the internet about what I'm supposedly doing, and I thought, young guys are going to read this, and maybe they're going to do it.
01:50:40.000I did an article in a magazine, Muscular Development, and I said, here, this is what I did.
01:50:44.000This is what I did for a contest, and these are my opinions.
01:50:50.000My honest opinion is I don't think it's worth it unless you're competing and so on, but ultimately it's up to you.
01:51:54.000I mean, when I got them in the UK, it was just from the gym.
01:51:58.000When I first started, I mean, people were bringing them in with trucks loads full from Europe, and there was not, you know, the authorities were not even aware of it or concerned about it or anything.
01:52:09.000Now, the policy, at least in the UK and It depends on every country in Europe, but in the UK, it's perfectly legal to have steroids for your own use.
01:52:20.000So you're going to be driving your car with a bunch of steroids on the fucking passenger seat and the police call you and they're like, what's this?
01:52:29.000For your own personal use, but selling, making money, and not paying your taxes, that's all they care about.
01:52:36.000Well, that's, I think, how it should be.
01:52:38.000You know, as long as there's education, as long as they're not lying.
01:52:40.000But the problem is, when you lie to people about the effects of things, then they think you're lying to them about pain pills, you're lying about all sorts of other stuff that is actually deadly.
01:52:48.000I think all fucking drugs should be legal.
01:52:52.000And she put money into education and treatment and that's what they did in Portugal.
01:53:00.000Glenn Greenwald actually posted something today about that showing how it's changed over time and gotten actually better since they've made, especially in particular, marijuana.
01:53:11.000Since they've made marijuana legal and started legalizing drugs in Portugal, they've had far less incidences of people having real issues.
01:53:21.000And the money, they're using it to re-educate people and get them out of that cycle and try and get them back into society, trying to get them a job and all that stuff.
01:53:30.000You're just going to punish people for doing it.
01:53:32.000How the fuck are they ever going to get better?
01:53:34.000Well, there's also a problem with telling people not to do something and they want to do it.
01:53:38.000Yeah, it seems more appealing, especially when you're young.
01:54:33.000But I think it would be probably fair to say that using steroids over a long term will probably increase your risk of heart disease, perhaps.
01:54:43.000I think it causes some inflammation in the line in the arteries.
01:54:46.000It can raise your blood pressure a little bit and so on.
01:54:50.000So, yeah, I compare it to smoking, you know?
01:55:35.000So people weren't really, not like now, people know what ayahuasca is, because there's so much information out there, yourself talking about it, I'm talking about it, it's a ton of stuff on the internet.
01:55:45.000It wasn't so much then, but I heard about it, and I heard about it, it's a life-changing experience and all that stuff.
01:55:51.000So we were out in Brazil, and we got this guide, and I asked him for ayahuasca, and he was like, Bring me these two bottles of brown stuff.
01:55:59.000I don't even know to this day if it was really ayahuasca.
01:56:01.000But I just got really sick and didn't see any great revelations apart from I got this thing in my head to stop poisoning yourself.
01:56:09.000But the night before I'd been out drinking, getting drunk and everything.
01:56:12.000So, you know, that was my experience with that.
01:56:15.000Then a friend of mine out here in California, actually, I knew about DMT. I used to live in Amsterdam and like I read the DMT spirit molecule and all that stuff.
01:56:24.000So I knew about it, but I had no idea To get this stuff, where you can get it from and everything.
01:56:29.000So a friend of mine got it, and that was my first experience of leaving the room, so to speak.
01:56:40.000And then since then I had some very positive ayahuasca experiences but with a shaman and doing properly and preparing like five days of restricted diet and no sex and all these kind of things you do to prepare and also afterwards.
01:56:57.000So DMT is like blow the fucking doors off your perception and realize that this world we're in is like, you know, it's nothing.
01:57:57.000And yeah, it's probably, I don't know, it's probably two or three years since I did DMT because I sat down one day and I said, right, actually I fasted for two days before.
01:59:32.000We had an experience, me and my friend a few months ago, that I've never seen before, because usually people take DMT, they're very calm and sit in the chair and you go off and you might start laughing, but you know, you don't move much, right?
01:59:45.000And this guy, he just like freaked out, like...
01:59:48.000It wasn't for 10 minutes, but for half an hour.
01:59:56.000He knew wrestling techniques, so he had to hold this guy on the floor to stop him from hurting himself because he was probably freaking out.
02:00:02.000So I could see the guy was going through something traumatic from the past.
02:01:21.000Yeah, I mean, especially like real traumatic ones, abuse, being beaten by his stepdad and a bunch of fucked up shit that was just haunting him.
02:01:32.000But it helps you to come to terms with that, especially the ayahuasca because it's longer.
02:01:36.000I felt like the first time I did ayahuasca properly with a shaman, I felt like I was a different person the next day.
02:01:42.000I felt like I'd done 20 years of fucking therapy or something.
02:01:45.000Just a lot of stuff I'd worked out in my mind.
02:01:55.000Especially a guy like you, who's so determined and goal-oriented and just cut out all the bullshit and get it done.
02:02:02.000Yeah, you can be a little insensitive to other people's Feelings around you because it's just like nothing keep out of my way.
02:02:10.000That's a male thing in particular anyway, right?
02:02:12.000And then add steroids on top of that and bodybuilding and intensity and competition and then being the best, arguably the best ever and just fucking grinding every day.
02:02:24.000My son said to me a couple of weeks ago, he's like, Dad, you don't see yourself as other people see you.
02:03:55.000So I get a whole bunch of other people that appreciate what I'm saying.
02:04:00.000About spirituality, about reality, and life, and they're like, fuck, man, what you said that really helped me.
02:04:05.000I got so many letters and emails and stuff, people, you know, like, they just took something away from what I was saying.
02:04:12.000So, I mean, that's really why I do these interviews, just trying to help The whole general vibe and, you know, put it out there and there's a whole consciousness awakening revolution going on now and I just want to push some dominoes,
02:04:28.000you know, and like create that effect.
02:04:30.000And then, you know, if you touch one person, They touch somebody else and it's like the butterfly wings flap here and the other side of the world is a tsunami or something.
02:04:39.000It does seem to be working in that regard, right?
02:05:06.000People are aware more of what it's all about.
02:05:09.000Well, with psychedelics, I mean, 20, 30 years ago, there was so much ignorance and so little understanding, and also so little understanding, especially when it comes to something as extreme as DMT. There's still a giant percentage of our population that doesn't even know what it is.
02:05:25.000Yeah, I mean, they should all take it, especially the fucking politicians.
02:05:29.000I like to get those politicians, man, and fucking get them in a room and force them to take DMT and then see how they're going to behave afterwards, how they're going to look at the world and treat people after they've had that experience.
02:05:42.000I don't think you can be so self-centered and unfeeling as most of them are after you've had that experience.
02:05:52.000I think that any breakthrough psychedelic experience, whether it's psilocybin or LSD or DMT, they're all pretty much, you know, different roads to the same place.
02:06:03.000Well, Terence McKenna used to say that DMT is the center of the mandala.
02:06:06.000The way I describe DMT is it's like mushrooms times a million plus aliens.
02:07:20.000Like, they had figured out a way with these sounds and songs to integrate these beats into DMT trips.
02:07:29.000And as you would take these trips, these shamans had figured out the right sounds and songs and how to...
02:07:35.000Make the trip more intense and sort of guided in a strange way.
02:07:39.000Well, that's what I had with the shaman, with the ayahuasca.
02:07:43.000He comes around and he sings these acaros and it's like, changes tone and then it goes deeper bass in his chest and it's like, it becomes part of it, you know?
02:08:31.000I recognized what was going on in my brain that these shapes and images were connected to negative thinking and I relaxed and the shapes kind of like settled down and then I started thinking positive like I heard all these like Expressions of love,
02:08:47.000but like you're hearing it, but you're not really hearing it.
02:08:49.000It's like the thoughts are getting into your head like someone's trying to say it without using words.
02:08:55.000And then I started thinking positive and from those dark images blossomed these like beautiful like geometric flowers and colors and impossibly Spectacularly beautiful images.
02:13:26.000That were spiritual masters like Buddha and the guy they called Jesus and all that apparently did things that were called miracles because they were outside the box, outside the physical reality we live in.
02:14:40.000Yeah, well, one of the things that I tried to explain to someone about DMT that I've kind of used over and over again since then is that I felt like I met with the divine force of the universe, or a divine force.
02:14:57.000Maybe my puny little brain could only comprehend this level of divinity and that maybe perhaps there was something even more profoundly more powerful and knowledgeable and wise past that but I wasn't ready to perceive it that maybe there's levels to that that it's fractal just like everything else and someone said like well you know how do you know that wasn't a hallucination I go well it could have been but here's the deal whether or not it was or wasn't the experience is the same like if you really go into some other dimension and meet
02:15:27.000God Or you take a drug in which you experience going to another dimension and meeting God.
02:19:39.000But my thoughts are that Isolation tanks and the isolation tank experience is something that it takes time to really fully relax and settle in.
02:19:49.000And there's layers to the onion and you got to go deeper and deeper and peel those layers away.
02:20:08.000And edibles, preferably, are the best way to really...
02:20:12.000I can have full-blown psychedelic experiences in the tank on edibles.
02:20:18.000Full-blown visuals, going into the jungle, experiencing the center of the universe, intense, intense stuff.
02:20:27.000Because the relaxation, the fact that the only information you're taking in Is like there's a mild feeling of the water on your body very mild that you have to think about to be aware of and Occasionally you'll touch the sides of the tank and you have to kind of write yourself There's no some water gets in the air or something but other than that don't rub your eyes get salt your eyes is a bad one but other than that you're experiencing no sound no No visual input.
02:20:55.000And in the absence of that visual input, I think all those other thoughts become more powerful.
02:21:00.000So whatever the effect of marijuana is on a regular body when you're just hanging out, sitting around, that effect is intensified in a big way when you're in the isolation tank.
02:21:11.000Well, I'd like to go back and try that next time.
02:21:13.000Well, when you're in town, I can hook it up if you want.
02:21:48.000I'll do it at night and I get home from a comedy show and I'll say, I need to process my thoughts and go over my material and I'll climb in that tank and just take off to the center of the universe.
02:21:59.000It also makes me reconsider how my thoughts are being...
02:22:02.000One of the things about comedy is you have an idea and you've got to try to figure out a way to get that idea into people's minds and sometimes it's the wrong way.
02:22:11.000Sometimes it's too abrupt or too corrosive or it's too...
02:22:24.000Seeing other people's perspectives, like that we were talking about earlier, that's huge with stand-up comedy.
02:22:30.000And one of the best ways to kind of get out of your own way, for me, is to explore things in the tank.
02:22:35.000Because in the absence of any physical input, you kind of stop thinking of your body and your brain and you as an individual, as like the captain of the ship.
02:22:47.000And all the other things start to become more and more...
02:22:54.000You and I are having this conversation, but one of the reasons why I like to do it in this room with no one else here but us is because there's no distractions, right?
02:23:01.000But if there was a guy in the other room with a jackhammer, it would fuck us up.
02:23:49.000Whereas before, I already acted on it before it was, you know, I recognized it.
02:23:53.000That's a huge problem is being a reactionary person and constantly dealing with input coming in and, like, instinctively batting it away or instinctively arguing.
02:24:03.000And if you're, like, stressed and anxious, you're always going to react like that.
02:24:06.000So you need to get rid of all that, you know?
02:25:42.000But I think maybe you go there with good intentions, but there's other people that pull the strings and, you know, the president's just a front guy.
02:25:49.000In that sense, one of the things about Trump being so bold and so egotistical, I think that's probably a positive, is that he's resisting the deep state.
02:25:59.000He's resisting all of these other outside influences, and he's so wealthy.
02:26:04.000That he has the financial power to insulate himself from these other people that are like him.
02:26:12.000Well, I got friends in the States and that was the feedback that I got.
02:26:16.000The guys that liked Trump, they liked him because they felt that he wasn't going to be controlled by the big money, the guys that own the Federal Reserve and pulling the strings on the military and all that stuff.
02:26:29.000I don't think you can beat those guys.
02:27:10.000A lot of people know this shit, right?
02:27:12.000So they're like, we've got this fucking psychopath.
02:27:14.000We've got this idiot guy, but maybe he's a better alternative than the psychopath, so let's go with the orange guy.
02:27:22.000Let's go with the orange guy, because he's not part of this cabal, and maybe he's going to change things for the better.
02:27:31.000That's why people went with him, I believe, because he was seen to be not controlled by the same forces, if you like.
02:27:39.000The Clintons, the Bushes, all these people, they're all in the same club, right?
02:27:44.000Well, it just seems that change, especially change over our culture, you know, over civilization, happens in these slow ticks to the right or ticks to the left, moving in a good direction or a bad direction.
02:28:00.000And so when something like this comes around that is perceived to be a negative thing and is perceived to be a negative thing moving in a terrible direction and quite rapidly, it scares the shit out of people.
02:28:13.000Well, that's feedback I get now of people over here.
02:28:48.000Then other times I think it's probably just too complicated for anybody to really orchestrate.
02:28:52.000And we're just reacting to these wants and needs and human instincts and a variety of factors that have been set in motion, like the momentum of these things.
02:29:02.000Things that have been set in motion forever and people trying to profit people trying to figure out how to control various factions of it But the idea of like one person or one group pulling the strings as I find it less and less plausible.
02:29:15.000Yeah, this is a There's one small group that controls that the debt.
02:30:41.000And he's whacking it with a fucking hammer.
02:30:44.000And hemp, people don't understand, if you've never experienced it, the hemp stalk, the actual stalk of the tree itself, it'll get very big and thick, and it's extremely hard, but extremely light.
02:31:33.000Isn't it something to do with the oil and steel industries as well?
02:31:37.000It has to do with a lot of things, but a big part of it was William Randolph Hearst, because they had a cover of Popular Science magazine that was like, Hemp, the new billion dollar crop.
02:31:47.000And they made that because there was a device that was invented called the decorticator.
02:31:53.000And what a decorticator was, it was a machine that allowed you to effectively process the hemp fiber without the use of slavery.
02:32:01.000See, for years and years, they had used slavery to process hemp.
02:32:05.000And hemp was what they used for cannabis.
02:32:07.000That's why the name cannabis comes from the word cannabis.
02:32:13.000They write the Declaration of Independence on hemp paper or something?
02:32:16.000So the first drafts, yeah, on hemp paper.
02:32:17.000It's a far superior paper than wood pulp paper.
02:32:20.000Well, when they had come out with this article in Popular Science magazine, Hemp the New Billion Dollar Crop, they were essentially saying that hemp, because of the decorticator, now hemp would replace wood for paper, for all these other things.
02:32:33.000So we don't need to destroy the forests anymore?
02:32:35.000William Rondolph Hearst not only owned these newspapers, but he also owned these paper mills, and he owned these forests.
02:32:44.000And he decided to combat this competing industry with propaganda.
02:32:49.000So they started printing these stories about how these black people and Mexicans were taking this wild drug called marijuana.
02:35:21.000Nevada declares marijuana state of emergency to avoid $100 million tax shortfall because they wanted the money from the marijuana because they were making so much money in taxes.
02:35:32.000I think Nevada has 39% as well, right?
02:35:54.000So many people out there have cured cancer as well by using the concentrated oil and stuff.
02:35:59.000I got a couple of friends that have cured their own cancer from changing the diet, going to a plant-based alkaline diet and taking the cannabis oil and the doctors are like baffled.
02:36:14.000If somebody cures their cancer, they're going to tell everybody.
02:36:16.000They're going to tell everybody they know, all their family, and it's just a matter of time.
02:36:20.000They just had something on a mainstream, which I was surprised, a mainstream news show in England where they had this case of this kid who was in hospital who was dying from, I can't remember what it was, but anyway, the point is his mother was sneaking in the cannabis oil.
02:36:40.000And then they did this whole thing on breakfast TV about how the, you know, the kid was, got rid of his cancer now.
02:36:47.000But I noticed they still, you know, they're obviously told to say this.
02:36:52.000You know, they're told this whole story about the kid is like, you know, his cancer's gone now because his mom was sneaking in the cannabis oil and, wow, we need to look into this.
02:37:00.000But we must state, everybody, people, we must tell you, we must, you know, it's not a cure, right?
02:37:27.000And there's the influence of the pharmaceutical drug companies that will come down.
02:37:31.000I mean, there's pharmaceutical drug companies that advertise on these networks, which becomes a huge problem.
02:37:36.000Because if they're advertising Abilify and fucking Wellbutrin and all this different shit that they're selling...
02:37:43.000They're not going to be interested in you telling positive stories about abandoning all pharmaceutical drugs and then taking natural remedies.
02:38:52.000Right, so if you have tomatoes in your backyard, everyone knows tomatoes have lots of vitamins, they're healthy for you, and no one would say, oh, you can't do that.
02:39:00.000What are the herbs that are good for you?
02:39:02.000Fucking Chinese have been using herbs for thousands of years.
02:40:30.000The shoulders, you know, not only the supraspinatus is gone, you know, when I go for a scan, they're like, oh, you know, your shoulder is, the arthritis is really bad.
02:41:29.000Better than all the other stuff, but I still take all the other stuff as well because I'm stacking all the odds in my favor.
02:41:35.000Yeah, I mean, I think it's really important, guys like you that are going against the grain, explaining your position, and also you as a respected professional athlete where people will listen to you and they go, oh, well, this guy is such a straight shooter about steroids and about training and about injuries and all these other things.
02:42:39.000It can fucking slow you down and you can sit and smoke fucking weed all day and sit on the couch and watch TV and eat pizzas if you want.
02:42:48.000But if you're smart, you use it when it's the time to use it.
02:42:54.000Sometimes I like to smoke a little bit before I do cardio because it opens my broncos and I get a better fucking workout.
02:42:59.000Or it's generally in the evening when I'm relaxing or if I want to do something creative like I'm writing or something, it helps me think a little bit.
02:43:09.000But there will be times when it's appropriate and times when it's not appropriate and that's it.
02:43:15.000I just think that it's a lot like what we were talking about earlier with fats and sugar, that there's this misinformation that continues forever.
02:43:23.000It's like once you get an idea in your head, oh, low fat is good, high fat is bad, and then somewhere along the line you realize that that's bullshit.
02:43:34.000You might go into the article and then look at the studies and go, wow, this is insane, and how did this happen?
02:43:39.000And go into the New York Times article about the sugar industry bribing the But once you get to a certain point in time, you realize, like, most people are not going to do all this.
02:44:14.000I think the people that smoke marijuana are generally nicer, kinder, more thoughtful people, and realize that in some way we're all connected.
02:45:09.000Yeah, but the properties of it don't have the same...
02:45:12.000The issue apparently with tobacco in particular, just regular tobacco, if you're smoking a regular rolled cigarette of hand-rolled tobacco, just pure tobacco, no other bullshit ingredients, is not as bad for you as a cigarette,
02:47:02.000Because the cannabis is dilating the bronchus all the time, if you keep dilating it, keep dilating it, keep dilating it, it's going to get more, you know, it's going to get more functional.
02:48:28.000A lot of people in America, they take a cigar, they take out the tobacco, they put the weed in, and they make a blunt out of it, but you're taking in tobacco and the pot too, and it gives you this weird high.
02:48:40.000Yeah, because you're getting that nicotine buzz, like head buzz.
02:48:45.000But you're also inhaling in a way that you don't do with cigars.
02:50:06.000I mean, I'm the only one that talks about it because all those guys are, like, scared, like, it's going to be viewed negatively or their sponsors are going to, like, you know, drop them or something like that.
02:51:21.000I'm independent, so I'm a bit more free to speak out.
02:51:24.000Well, the crazy thing to me was the NFL. The NFL saying that these guys can't smoke pot and they suspend them for smoking pot.
02:51:32.000Meanwhile, it's okay to run full speed at each other and smash into each other.
02:51:38.000And the massive amount of damage that's doing, that's not a problem.
02:51:44.000Well, maybe the cannabis would actually help them with the brain injuries because a lot of studies, you know, with Alzheimer's and stuff like that, it's very protective on the brain.
02:51:53.000So maybe it could have helped them, if anything.
02:52:03.000Yeah, I mean, we're living in an age where information is leaking out there and people understand things more today than they ever did before, but there's still a massive amount of ignorance that you have to combat.
02:52:13.000But it's, you know, it's ahead of 10 years ago, right?
02:52:17.000And I live in Europe, I live in Spain now, and in Spain it's not legal, but it's legal to grow in your house for your own use.
02:52:30.000It's legal to smoke in your house for your own use.
02:52:33.000So what's happened is these collectors have been created.
02:52:38.000So, alright, so I can smoke in my own private residence and I can grow whatever, let's say three plants for myself, arguably.
02:52:45.000So what if there's a hundred of us now in this collective, in this club?
02:54:43.000And coming back with, like, handmade stuff, there's a bunch of things like different industries and different, you know, small businesses are starting to emerge in Detroit that are kind of very promising.
02:54:56.000But yeah, that would be a huge factor.
02:54:58.000Yeah, there's a huge industry out there.
02:55:39.000But when you eat it, it's going to take 45 minutes to an hour to hit your system and you don't know what How strong that's going to be.
02:55:47.000And if it's too strong, which most of the time it is, if you're not experienced, then you're on that fucking ride and you can't get off for hours.
02:58:48.000I go sometimes with not smoking for a week or two just because I want to have the discipline to say I don't need to do this every day, but I fucking like to do it every day.
03:00:03.000We've got a competition called Super League, and this is for bodybuilders slash strength athletes, and it's somewhat functional because, you know, You get a bodybuilder on stage and the general public look at that and they say,
03:00:20.000This is like strange and maybe a product of just taking drugs and they don't appreciate the work that goes into that and how strong and athletic some of these guys can be.