Joe Rogan Experience #990 - Jamie Foxx
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Summary
On this episode of the podcast, the brother and sister duo of the sit down and talk about how they met, how they first met, and how they became friends. They also talk about Chris Brown and how he changed the game in the entertainment industry, and why he's one of the most underrated artists of all time. They also get into some of the craziest things they've ever done, and what they would do if they were in the old days of comedy and stand-up comedy, and who they would have been if it wasn't for social media and the rise of the internet. It's a fun episode that you don't want to miss! Enjoy and tweet us if you have any thoughts or opinions on any of the topics covered in this episode! Timestamps: 3:00 - Who's the funniest person you've ever met? 4:30 - How we first met 6:20 - How Chris Brown changed the music industry 7:00 What Chris Brown's music is like 8:15 - Chris Brown can dance 9:20 Chris Brown is one of my favorite artists 11:00- How he s a great dancer 13:40 - Who s the most talented artist? 14:30 15:20- What do you think of Chris Brown? 16:15 17:30- What does Chris Brown do on stage? 18: How does he look good in a music video? 19:40 21: What does he have a good night out? 22:10 - How he can dance? ? 23: What s Chris Brown really look like? 26:30 What s your favorite part of the night? 27:30 Is Chris Brown s favorite song? 29:30 Do you think he s the next one? 32:30 Can he dance better than you can I dance better? 35:00 Is he a good dancer? 31:30 Does he have the right type of music? 36:30 Are you going to be a good singer? 33:40 Can he be a better than I m going to dance like this guy? or do you have a better dancer than I think I m gonna dance like that? 37:40 Do you like him better than me? 39:40 Is he good enough?
Transcript
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It's crazy how we looked at each other when we walked in.
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Who's asking you to go up one day and stand up?
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Okay, because I thought I was getting the eye out.
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You can talk about whatever the fuck you want to talk about.
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Because the terrain we were just talking about off mic about how we would have been in jail.
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Well, we were talking about everybody that came up in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s.
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And what this conversation came for, for all y'all just tuning in.
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And I said, listen, you're just too talented, for one.
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Cats like him and Justin Bieber, who've been blessed with extra.
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The first time I met Chris Brown, this is crazy.
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I'm throwing a party in Miami, and it's me and Colin Farrell, Eddie Murphy, who was still in it.
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The crowd's going crazy, but down, not in the VIP, it's some kids dancing.
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And so my DJ, DJ Irie, goes, yo, man, that's a new kid, Chris Brown.
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I said, yeah, but he think he can dance because, you know, I know how to dance.
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And I did like some kind of bullshit pop-locking move.
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But the way he did the backflip, and he's 6'2", he's standing in the middle of the crowd, he jumped over the crowd, did the backflip up here, and came straight down and said, what's up?
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I said, motherfucker, I'm gonna leave you the fuck alone.
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I don't know what the fuck that, that's some Avenger shit.
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And I just remember going, I said, that dude, when he gets on, but then social media catches on, and then it's just hard.
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When you're in social media, and I tell them all the time, social media sort of makes you color inside the lines.
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I was just catching on the MySpace and shit shifted.
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So, my daughter sends me a picture of Rihanna, right?
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And by the time I got the picture, whatever happened, the picture was Rihanna...
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But, you know, maybe that's, you know, she's giving a nod to Italy where maybe she got the dress from.
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She said, no, there's actually not a pizza in the dress.
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They made it look like it's pizza because it's trailing behind her.
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And so me, I'm thinking, well, what the fuck does it mean?
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I said, so this girl worked her whole fucking night.
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To get this dress to go to the Met Ball, which is you're supposed to be, you know, out the box, and somebody puts a pizza on it, and that's all you see is a pizza.
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And kids run up to you and say, you're the crybaby face.
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Well, memes are like the best thing on the internet.
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It's one of the best things about the internet, is people being able to make funny.
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Yeah, I mean, Michael Jordan, to somebody under the age of 18, he the crybaby face, man.
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Well, we were talking about Jon Jones and how Jon Jones is fighting this weekend.
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And that's why he's the greatest light heavyweight of all time.
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That's why when people say, like, why does Mike Tyson...
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And to hang out with him, you could understand, like, he was the biggest person on the planet.
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Because you see him in a club, and he sees some girls, and he'd be like, fine, how you doing?
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And crazy, he'd take the girls out and go get a BMW. I mean, he was that crazy.
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Come on, let's look at the BMW. And we'd open up the BMW dealership.
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But I say, just like how we were saying off here, you can't have that type of...
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But he's also going to give you something to anchor that.
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I believe in the yin and the yang of everything.
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Meaning like when there's absolute light, there has to be absolute darkness to balance it out.
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Like anything that happens to you in life, you have to pay for it.
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So it's all of these different things that you gotta pay for.
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Because, you know, like I said, talking to Justin Bieber, you know, with everything I said, some of this shit is supposed to happen to you.
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Otherwise, think of the success that kid's had at 20 years old.
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I was just reading some shit about him canceling his tour because he just had too much work.
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Like, Jesus Christ, he's fucking 20. And for us, we like shit.
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Because, you know, I ain't 20. I'm like, motherfucker, I'm going to take that 90 million.
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But we can't be in his mind and we can't see how it is.
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Like, I always tell kids who want to be in this business to please wait.
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Like, I was able to be grown and have some grown shit happen to me and just regular life shit happen so that when this happened...
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I still have a point of reference to get back to.
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Because you know, like I know, you've interviewed everybody.
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This business affects you in such a way where you'll see one person one day.
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I won't say the comedian's name, but I remember a comedian back in the day did like half of an HBO whatever.
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And then the next week I saw him, he had 12 bodyguards.
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And I won't say the names, but there's been a couple of guys.
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Why the fuck does he have this white suit on in these big shades?
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We get a chance to sit in a different seat because our jobs are observational.
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We still all have our own demons, but it's just different.
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It's gotta work, and if it doesn't work, shit, you gotta go back to the drawing board, you gotta assess.
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That's one of the reasons why they're kind of shaky.
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They don't get a lot of, like, that testing it live in front of people, that humility that comes with that.
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I was talking to an actor, another actor, and it's tough, because, see, I'm a comic who became an actor, so I'm cheating.
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I'm going to be in St. Louis tomorrow, you know, doing some jokes.
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Well, you've figured out a way to balance three careers.
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You're talking about Justin Bieber and Chris Brown.
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But I've been fortunate in the fact that now things have opened up.
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Like, you know, back in the day, you could only do one thing.
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I would never forget, Keenan Ivory Wayans told me, he said, Yo, what's with the singing shit?
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So I was doing, of course, the stand-up, doing the Wanda shit.
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And then it wasn't until, literally, I was throwing these parties in my crib.
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And I would always throw parties for musical guys.
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He got mad at me a little bit because I would follow him.
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I would actually follow him with a camera because at that time, Puff was the biggest guy in the world.
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So the way I would get in his parties, I'd show up with a camera.
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Like, yo, Puff, you need to document this shit.
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And it wasn't back in the day with the, you know, with the camera phone.
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I had the big fucking cannon that you put on your shoulder and the light and the shit.
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So at one point I told him we were actually in Philly and he was throwing a party and he said, yo, Playboy, this party's a million and a half dollars.
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He said, it costs a million and a half dollars to throw this party.
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I said, you come to my place in L.A., I'll throw your party for 400 bucks that will rival this party.
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And he got a little mad because, you know, he was like, yo, no, I'm known for this shit.
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I said, but L.A., I just know how to get around.
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So he gets to L.A. And he calls me early in the morning.
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And by 12 o'clock in my small house in Tarzana, and God bless my neighbors that live there, I'm no longer there.
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I know they wanted me to get out of there because I was too much.
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But the party's fevered pitch, and I invited the right people, you know, the right girls who were beautiful, but not too tight, not too, you know, just everything was great.
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The guys, wasn't no haters there, you know, because L.A., you know, man, fucking, fucking good.
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And when he shows up, he goes, that's the girl on that TV show.
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It's like, we all hang out here, so it's like, you know, it's all good.
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I got Kentucky Fried Chicken, but I put it in a nice plate.
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I said, we're at 280 bucks right now and counting.
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I won't go over 400. And he had the most incredible time, right?
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But at that party was all musical people, and I did it for a reason.
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At that party, Missy Elliott, of course, she had her room.
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I'm going to my garage, and there's two guys, a little guy like this and a tall guy.
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Yo, it's like this all the time, B? I said, yeah, who are you?
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So he's like, can I? I said, just go ahead and have a great time.
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There was another guy standing on the wall, green jacket, like a green little jumpsuit.
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And now, the way I got into the music, however, is that all these different parties was going on, and I would have, like, different musical people leave me music in my little studio that I built.
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I went and got this great studio built in the back of my house.
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And so one day, in comes this kid, backpack on, Jaws busted.
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Oh, his jaw is busted from like a car accident, right?
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They said, oh, that's a new motherfucker Kanye, man.
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I said, well, anybody come to my house, they got to perform.
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So I said, yo, man, they say, you know, you rappers.
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He rapped the most incredible, I don't know if it was freestyle.
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I don't think it was broken, but it was a little swollen because it wasn't too long after that accident that he had, right?
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And then he goes, I got a song that you'll be good on.
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He says, the song's gonna go, she say she wants some Marvin Gaye, some Luther Vandross.
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I come back about six weeks, eight weeks later.
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My boy goes like, you remember that song you said wasn't shit?
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So, long story longer, it's like, yeah, you can do all of the things, and there's a lot of actors and actresses that can.
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Just like in life, when your opportunity comes, if you prepare for it, Now you can jump into it and grab it.
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And what I was told was by my guy, Breon, who does all of my music.
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He says, you got to stop singing funny shit and sing a real record.
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And once you sing a real record and not say it's you singing it, now you got to better go.
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The people that grew up with me doing stand-up or watching...
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Just like how the guys are now going up to Michael Jones.
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You hope that you're blessed with opportunities and, you know, it's an old saying, but to sort of reinvent or reintroduce yourself to people who may not know who you are.
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Well, it's also guys like you have other interests.
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It's a lot, you know, but like we all are, like comedians, we got a lot of shit that we want to get out.
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And like I said, being a comedian, we used to have.
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As far as, you know, everything we say, you know, they want to come kill us.
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One seating that Jimmy Fallon and every organization wanted to get me.
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We were singing these funny songs about who let the dogs out.
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And so we took who let the dogs out and put it in like a vaudeville or a show tune.
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I was watching these dogs and they were coming towards me.
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And I was wondering, you know, who let them out?
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And, you know, you have to be careful because pit bulls can be cantankerous.
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It was like, Jamie Foxx says, Pitbull shamed us.
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And then there was another thing where Jimmy Fallon was doing some type of...
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He was saying what was going to be on the next show.
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And I was doing a bad version of signing, which I actually know how to sign.
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But as I was doing it, as a joke, I didn't know that the person that he was talking about happened to be deaf.
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And so then, you know, so it's just all these things.
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And I try to tell people, I say, hey, listen, we never mean anything bad.
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But you can't just, you know, you can't kill us because I got to keep doing what I do, you know.
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Well, it's just what we're talking about, about social media, about people commenting on things and you can't read the comments.
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And people are always looking for something to be recreationally outraged at.
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The comment will hit you right where you are sometimes.
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Well, it's good too though a little bit I mean they're right when they're actually right like someone can say something ridiculous about you and if you know It's ridiculous.
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It doesn't mean anything, but if it's got a hint of truth you like But when somebody says something about your teeth You kind of look in the mirror.
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I got fucked up I guess somebody hit me with the donkey the fucking donkey.
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I was like So, you know, but I tell people all the time, don't read the comments.
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Don't read the comments because it will make you start to change the way you do things.
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If I read all of the comments, I never tell another joke.
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If I read all the comments, I never try another, you know, I got a movie that we just shot for a little or nothing called All-Star Weekend, and the jokes are like all the way out there, you know, and it's, I got everybody in it, you know, and we're all taking, we all play different characters.
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Gerard Butler plays a Russian who loves gymnastics.
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Benicio Del Toro plays this crazy tattoo artist.
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So it's like if you read the comments, that'll make you tuck that in.
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And all they're trying to do is get to the All-Star game.
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And it's sort of like this whole journey of running into all these people.
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But it is some things where it's like, ooh, you know, you can see there's going to be some shit going on.
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Well, Robert Johnny Jr., just from Tropic Thunder, think about that.
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There are real people out there that really mean you harm.
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I mean, there's some real people who really don't fucking like you.
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Whether you're black, you're white, you're straight, you're gay, whatever it is.
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It's easy for you to jump on Robert Downey Jr. or Jamie Foxx or Joe because...
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You know, when it's real things, which, you know, whether it's politics or whatever, a lot of times we sort of, we're not ready for that fight.
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But then he texts back and said, I'm nervous to play the Mexican.
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And you kill that shit, we're just all, you know, we gotta be able to do character.
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What kind of blowback did he get from playing the black dude?
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We fucked with Robert Downey Jr. Like, that's our guy.
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And my first joke was, how dare you take all of these roles from black people?
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I'll show you when I... Or you got to take that room.
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It was like, you know, they were asking him about his jokes.
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And he's like, yo, man, look, you know, people have said worse shit.
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And I think he said something about Donald Trump saying grab him by the pussy or some shit, whatever.
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That you look at what happened with politics this year, people sort of stripped away a lot of things, regardless of what you believed in.
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Whatever person you voted for, there was a lot of things that were sort of addressed about, like, maybe we were playing things a little too close.
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Like, some of those politicians were afraid to say what Donald Trump was saying, and they ended up being left in the dust because people were a little like, well, he's got a point in the sense that we're playing things a little too close.
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So when you look at that as a comedian, it's like, wow, that was good for me in a certain way.
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Two, it does say, are we becoming too fragile when it comes to our race, like black folk?
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Like I say, yeah, some people are racist and some people are perceptionists.
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Okay, the perception in America was the white man, Donald Trump, can be president.
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Doesn't mean that if you vote for Donald Trump that you're racist.
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I don't think everybody's racist because that was a big thing.
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And I said, black people are very interesting people because we deal with racism and perceptionism.
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I said, because we're very nervous flyers, right?
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First thing we do when we get on the plane, we see who's flying this motherfucker.
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If we look and see a black guy, we will stop and go, hey, how long you been flying, bro?
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And then as you're sitting in that seat, anytime you hit a bump, my brother, we straight?
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You see that white guy with that salt and pepper hair.
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And those aviators and his forearm hair like this.
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So it's the perception that we have to talk about sometime.
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He said, he goes, not all Donald Trump supporters are racist, but all racists are Donald Trump supporters.
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But I will say this, like I said, the perception gets us all too.
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Because my daughter, it was interesting, my oldest daughter, when the election happened and when the results came in, Dad, I'm so mad, I can't take it.
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I said, well, you know, you got to get out there because their perception was she had it in the bag.
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So you got to get out there and be, you know, whatever that is.
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You know, because I think social media is allowing people to express themselves.
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You know, they're just like, you know, they're progressive or they're liberal or they're conservative.
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Social media allows you not to have discretion.
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You're able to go in and type whatever you want to say.
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We're sitting at the dinner table and, yo, I said something that you didn't like, but the discretion was, I'll address that later.
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So now that you don't have any discretion, anybody's voice can be heard.
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What I notice is that we will hook our wagons to the most extreme point.
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Like when my homies would hit me and say, man, you hear what they're saying, man, about so-and-so?
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I said, there's 8 million people in Philly alone.
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Why are you just listening to those 80,000 people?
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So you sort of have to put balance in the way you sort of sift through it.
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Well, the way I try to put it out to people, if you run into a room and there's 100 people in that room, what are the odds that one person is a fucking idiot?
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Almost every room of a random group of 100 people.
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So that means there's three million fucking idiots in this country.
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If you're going to get your opinion swayed by people who just want to see if they can affect you.
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So I tell all of my artists and all my friends, don't change.
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Because what happens is everybody starts coloring inside the lines and now nobody's dangerous anymore.
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Because you remember back in the day, Madonna, dangerous.
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You know, just dance into the Grammys like it's all good.
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So, what I hope, what I always say, just don't tuck your art in.
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Don't tuck your art in for the comments because we'll end up not having anything.
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Somebody did a song that was dope or a movie that was dope or got outside the box as opposed to what we love celebrating, which is the crazy shit.
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If you do a crazy movie, there's a lot of people involved.
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If you're on stage and you say something fucked up, it's just you.
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Well, I'm going back out, so it's about to happen.
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I'm going to be passing out a whole bunch of gift baskets.
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Because I'm going back out and I, you know, like...
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I've never actually taken off because I still do gigs.
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Like, I got a gig tomorrow, St. Louis, you know, private gig, whatever.
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Like, I just can't jump out there and just start talking or writing jokes.
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The one thing that's tough for a comedian is to become successful.
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Because we talk from a shit-is-fucked-up point of view, and I gotta have a little anger, and I gotta have a little poke fun.
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And if I become what I poke fun at, then I can't get it off.
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That's why at my house, people coming to my house, my daughter used to ask me this, Dad, why is this room not...
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There's a curtain right now that's torn open in my bedroom.
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The dysfunctional mansion where there's always somebody...
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Like the other night, there's Odell Beckham in my house.
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Just crazy shit happening at my house all the time so I could...
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So you create chaos on purpose in a little bit of a way.
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When you get behind the gates, when you reach a certain point and you're behind the gates, you can't really see.
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People at the gate, you know, trying to get in.
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And as I look through the party, there's Floyd Mayweather.
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And I see some of the homies, like the real guys, like, what's up, Fox?
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So it's all of these mixtures of people that I can still touch, hang out with.
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And she's on the dance floor dancing with Snoop.
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So I sort of keep it that way so I can stay loose.
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I got shit that I could talk about from the hood to the White House.
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For someone who's achieved as much success as you have, that is not an easy balancing act.
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Because you must get overwhelmed by requests and people just wanting your time and wanting to hitch themselves to you.
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Or you just get the TSA. Damn, Fox, what you doing, baby?
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I had to watch that shit on five stick, my nigga.
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So it's like you appreciate those, which keeps you regular, keeps you humble.
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And you just got to sort of look at other people and see how...
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People in our business, when they do get behind the gates, you know, you've seen comics that get that thousand mile stare and I don't want to be funny no more.
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Nah, I want to stay funny, keep the teeth goofy, keep my head looking goofy, hairline, whatever it is.
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Yeah, I think stand-up is kind of, in some ways, it's like a mind meld or a mass hypnosis.
00:35:37.000
Like you're connecting with the audience and if there's anything false about what you're thinking or what you're saying, some of them at least can feel it.
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Sometimes all of them, but some of them can feel it.
00:35:50.000
But if you're in the groove, you're really being yourself.
00:35:53.000
That's why when you see Dave on stage, one of the things about Chappelle is that he's always himself.
00:35:59.000
And so you relax as an audience member and slide right into his mind.
00:36:10.000
And that way, he was genius how he passed up all that money.
00:36:17.000
And just settled in and then came back and didn't do any scheduled gigs for years.
00:36:23.000
He would show up with a speaker and set up a speaker in a park in like Seattle and just gather a crowd around and start doing stand-up.
00:36:36.000
Well, I agree with that because, like I said, if you...
00:37:00.000
And this is sort of off subject, but I was just talking about how people view you.
00:37:05.000
I went to the gas station, and I put on these shades...
00:37:13.000
I needed some, just pick up some, you know, $14 shade, whatever.
00:37:42.000
I don't want them to think that I spent $2,000 on some shit, because we always lose our fucking shades anyway.
00:37:47.000
So, I actually hit my boy, Devo, and Dave Schottenstein.
00:37:59.000
I want to do an eyeglass that costs less than $30.
00:38:04.000
I said, but what we're going to do is we're going to go through each frame and make sure each frame is tight.
00:38:10.000
Because I told them the story about being at the gas station.
00:38:13.000
And they were like, wow, I think that's a good idea.
00:38:24.000
And everybody thought that it was something else.
00:38:33.000
And now even J-Lo, Bella Thorne, all these other people are wearing the shades because what we noticed when we did do that, people embraced it a little more.
00:38:42.000
Because we did a commercial that we almost made a mistake where we get clothes on and we tell people how much the clothes cost and People got turned off because the jeans were like $400.
00:38:59.000
And we're like, no, what we were trying to say was, although these clothes cost this, our glasses only cost $30.
00:39:05.000
So that story in itself, I take that and run with that and say, I'm not the guy buying the high-end stuff.
00:39:21.000
Yeah, I know a really rich dude who drives a pickup truck.
00:39:24.000
He's rich as fuck, and he just likes to drive around in a shitty old Toyota pickup truck.
00:39:34.000
He doesn't wash his hands sometimes, got dirt under his fingernails, pretends he's a farmer.
00:39:42.000
But we have to balance both because, you know, being urban, I got to step out there and shine sometimes, too.
00:39:49.000
My boy has, you know, we get out there and we show a little bit of the success, you know what I'm saying, just to let people know we're still doing our thing.
00:40:07.000
I tell people all the time, I'm an N-I-C-C-H nigga.
00:40:23.000
Yeah, it's fun too, but I gotta have that part.
00:40:26.000
I gotta always have that sort of like a can't leave where I came from because that's what they try to snatch from me.
00:40:35.000
Chris Spencer and Buddy Lewis wrote this incredible script called White Famous.
00:40:41.000
And White Famous was about a comedian who's, you know, trying to become mainstream without losing his, you know, his black audience, which is all these, all of us, we go through that.
00:40:51.000
You know, because the minute you start doing the, you know, the sort of soft movies and brothers be like, man, what's up, man?
00:41:04.000
I think the problem with shining is when it defines you.
00:41:06.000
The problem when you just, everything is flat, like Floyd Mayweather in a way.
00:41:17.000
Not just a genius boxing, he's the greatest defensive boxer, in my opinion, of all time.
00:41:21.000
But also a genius in that he figured out a way where he has this style that's not appealing to a lot of people.
00:41:28.000
But what is appealing is people want to see him get his ass kicked.
00:41:37.000
And I don't want to put everything out there that he does.
00:41:49.000
They want me to follow Jay Fox, but that's what keeps me competitive.
00:41:55.000
So he would sit at my crib and speak for like hours about...
00:42:11.000
He says, I know the reason that I fight Oscar de la Hoya on Cinco de Mayo.
00:42:19.000
He carved out a niche of being the charismatic villain.
00:42:28.000
In the beginning, he was pretty boy Floyd Mayweather.
00:42:36.000
I mean, he might have been like Sugar Shane Mosley or something.
00:42:39.000
But not really because Shane had lost to a few guys.
00:42:42.000
What Floyd did better than anybody is not get hit.
00:42:54.000
His defining fight was the Morales fight when he fought Morales, God bless.
00:43:00.000
And he also said that that hit that Sugar Shane hit him, he'll tell you, he said that hit, when Sugar Shane touched him, he said that really, he said that shook me.
00:43:15.000
In the end of the round, he did turn it, but he's...
00:43:18.000
That was one of the few moments where he really got caught clean by a world-class fighter.
00:43:23.000
So it'll be interesting in his next fight coming up.
00:43:32.000
Yeah, but someone was saying that he's got to...
00:43:37.000
Saying that he has to almost cheat within the rules...
00:43:44.000
He's got to figure out a way to tie him up and manipulate him and move his body around.
00:43:50.000
He's got to figure out a way to be good defensively too.
00:43:54.000
Those are all high risk, low yield possibilities.
00:44:02.000
The way I described it, how would you expect the greatest figure skater in the world to do playing hockey against Wayne Gretzky?
00:44:22.000
I'm waiting for that fight more than Canelo Alvarez versus Gennady Golovkin.
00:44:27.000
Even though that fight is the legitimate fight.
00:44:36.000
Conor's the only guy that Floyd's ever fought that can look at him and go, if this was a real fight, you'd be fucking dead.
00:44:48.000
You ever see that video with him and Robert Guerrero?
00:44:51.000
Right before they fought, they had this thing where they were doing photo shoots and they had them do a stare-off.
00:44:58.000
Robert the Ghost Guerrero is a fighter that Floyd fought maybe four or five fighters ago.
00:45:19.000
And you could see the dude was just like, oh no.
00:45:25.000
Well, when Conor looks at him and goes, if this was a real fight, I'd fucking kill you.
00:45:37.000
Floyd could say, we'll do some MMA. He said it a couple times.
00:45:43.000
But you know, Floyd, look, one thing Floyd is, he's smart.
00:45:52.000
So, it's almost like you start to, like, I know, but people start to go, like, is Floyd...
00:46:03.000
He's definitely allowing this guy to play through.
00:46:05.000
And that fight is becoming bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
00:46:13.000
And the one thing Floyd would always tell me, though, he said, Jay Fox, he said, the one thing they're not ready for is the lights.
00:46:20.000
When the lights are that bright and you look out and you see Denzel, you see all these, that's a different thing.
00:46:32.000
He said, that's the one thing I've been fighting, J5. I've been fighting under the lights since I was...
00:46:46.000
When he gets into that ring and he's got shoes on and he feels those big ass gloves on his hands and then he looks on the other side and he sees Floyd just moving around and getting ready.
00:47:02.000
Because you think about it, they both, I mean, they got us.
00:47:27.000
I gotta figure out a way to not see it until, not know what happened and then watch it.
00:47:36.000
I hope the audience will be nice and not tell me.
00:47:38.000
There's probably gonna be people watching it on their phone while the show's going on.
00:47:43.000
I guarantee you, if someone gets knocked out, I'm gonna hear, oh!
00:48:09.000
For a super successful guy, you seem completely balanced and happy.
00:48:13.000
There are things that you just cannot get away from that you hide right behind.
00:48:31.000
So me and my biological mom are crafting our relationship now in the latter stages of her life.
00:48:41.000
But I didn't want no bullshit outside of that, where someone is sitting somewhere watching me from a distance like...
00:49:04.000
He's still getting it in, you know, be over there, and then she'll float over to his side of the house and be like, mm, and see the girl.
00:49:16.000
I just want to get something out of the refrigerator.
00:49:25.000
Could you tell her not to come on my side of the house?
00:49:31.000
But it's certain things that I... You gotta figure out your happiness.
00:49:36.000
And the only way you figure out your happiness, you gotta try to see or foresee what's gonna be the problem.
00:49:44.000
So I get my family close to me, so whatever problem we gotta work out, we work that shit out right here.
00:49:49.000
Get my mom and my sisters and my daughters close to me so they see daddy going to work.
00:49:57.000
It's like, no, we're just not on the red carpet.
00:50:05.000
I got to do a whole lot of shit in order to keep this thing going.
00:50:08.000
So you try to, you know, in life, you try to see what, try to foresee what's going to happen.
00:50:14.000
It's always going to be something, just outlandish.
00:50:20.000
That's an interesting way to handle it, though, to bring everybody close to you, bring your whole family in your house.
00:50:25.000
You know, because, you know, it's like, you know, me growing up as an only child, I like having people around.
00:50:34.000
Like, people come to my house, I'd be like, why you gotta leave, man?
00:50:41.000
But now having my family around, you got to do it.
00:50:43.000
But like I said, not everybody can do it because it's interesting.
00:50:48.000
Like my father, who has a great story, my stepfather has a great story.
00:50:52.000
You know, he was on drugs or had a situation about with drug, about with crack, ended up going to jail.
00:51:04.000
Because I didn't like writing letters to people in jail.
00:51:06.000
I didn't like going and visiting people in jail.
00:51:10.000
And then my stepfather was incredible in my life because he taught me how to play tennis.
00:51:15.000
So back in the 70s, in the 80s, he was like playing tennis.
00:51:20.000
I was like, wow, I've never seen a black dude play tennis.
00:51:24.000
So people like Yannick Noah, Elie Nastassi, Bjorn Borg, Vetus Gerolitis, those were like heroes of mine.
00:51:32.000
So when he gets out, he gets out of jail and makes sure everything is cool.
00:51:37.000
And so there he is, me and my pops, watching Venus play.
00:51:48.000
And then a couple of days after that, it was 9-11.
00:51:56.000
Early on, I would just go by, check the drawers, make sure there's no paraphernalia, no wrong shit.
00:52:11.000
Well, sometimes people just being surrounded by loved ones is enough to keep them from doing anything stupid.
00:52:19.000
Won't go into it because he wrote a little book and talked about it.
00:52:22.000
It was bumpy at first because when he first got out, I did some shit for him, got him this, got him a car, whatever.
00:52:31.000
You know, so it was a couple little things that we had to work out.
00:52:34.000
But now, you know, to see him now, like, you know, you know, like, you know, we go to these different events or whatever like that.
00:52:43.000
He don't do the, you know, he got the actual photos.
00:52:52.000
See, and they put the film and he got a whole wall and everybody that he's met, you know, all of his heroes.
00:52:56.000
And so, like I said, you know, I try to try to look.
00:53:03.000
Try to be ahead of the curve when it comes to fucked up shit.
00:53:08.000
When you have so many people living with you, do you ever feel like boxed in?
00:53:12.000
No, that's, you know, like I know, the best way to create is to have people around.
00:53:16.000
Because I could try that joke out on them and they don't know I'm doing that joke.
00:53:21.000
I could try this idea, see how they respond, because your family gonna give you the real, gonna give them, man, that's terrible.
00:53:31.000
So you always gotta, to me, having people around that tell you the truth.
00:53:45.000
So it's like, you know, having that allows me to create.
00:53:48.000
And then I have my own little space where I go, okay, let me get this.
00:53:54.000
Now let me put this together over here in a little space.
00:53:57.000
Yeah, I got a little studio that I set up where I go in there and do all that shit, you know.
00:54:04.000
Well, listen, man, I know you gotta get the fuck out of here.
00:54:10.000
Dude, listen, you're an amazing person, and I'm very honored to have you on here because you're one of the very few people that I know that has this well-rounded life, but also is very balanced.
00:54:24.000
You've had amazing success in all these different things, but you're as normal and approachable as anybody I know.
00:54:43.000
But the one thing about your opinion is always going to be truthful.
00:54:47.000
So, you know, as us, coming from a different time, there's certain people that we want to have the real truth come from.
00:55:01.000
When we're doing our art or when we're doing whatever we do, yeah, it's always going to be those people that rock with you.
00:55:07.000
But you want to get the people who have a really artistic...
00:55:14.000
And if you hear them say, yo, I kind of fuck with that.
00:55:29.000
Because I know when I run into those guys like you, you want to have...
00:55:41.000
You got people in your mind right now that when you're doing your thing, that you know if everybody's yelling like, oh, we love you.
00:55:49.000
But if that person say, maybe this or maybe that, you go, okay.