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00:00:48.000Yeah, well, you crushed him, and one of my other favorite ones was Chelsea Handler crushing him, where she was literally talking, like, you don't even talk to me in the break.
00:00:57.000In the break, you're checking your phone and checking Twitter.
00:01:00.000And you could tell he was like, oh no.
00:01:03.000He just, you know, he came from that weird British tabloid environment, and you found out that the company that he worked for did really creepy shit, like check people's voicemails.
00:01:11.000They hacked into people who were dead, and they gave the family false hope because they had checked the voicemail, and they found out that someone checked in.
00:01:19.000They thought, oh, maybe she's still alive.
00:01:21.000And then we made him a host on, like, The X Factor and brought him on CNN. It was awesome.
00:01:32.000If you have a British accent, we automatically add 20 points to your IQ. Yeah, they're great for selling mops late night and nonstick cookware.
00:01:55.000Too much, except when I'm watching My Fair Lady or something.
00:01:58.000Well, I could tell people from, like, Manchester and stuff like that, because they, you know, they have, like, this sort of, like, way of talking so fast that all the words kind of pile into each other.
00:02:07.000But, yeah, Oliver's, his recent one, Eddie Bravo got really mad at it, the recent one about Alex Jones is fucking hilarious.
00:03:36.000So Berkeley, after the publicity, they said they're going to try...
00:03:38.000Explain to people if they don't know the whole story, please.
00:03:40.000Yeah, so UC Berkeley, if you recall last year, I actually spoke there before any of this happened.
00:03:44.000I spoke at UC Berkeley in like April 2016, and then Milo was supposed to speak there, and he actually went there, and there was a riot where Antifa infiltrated the student community, and there are all these pictures of them bombing things and blowing up cars, or setting them in a fire at least, and throwing things at windows.
00:04:46.000Yeah, just yesterday Jordan Peterson was banned from YouTube.
00:04:49.000And YouTube has a new policy that it's very weirdly worded, but apparently they're allowed to block and restrict any kind of videos that are about religion or that could be deemed offensive,
00:06:07.000And this is one of the reasons why I'm very meticulous in my terminology about people who are on the other side of the aisle.
00:06:12.000I actually separate people who are liberal from people who are leftist.
00:06:15.000So when there are people who try to ban speech, I call them leftist, and if they are not interested in banning speech, then they're liberal, meaning they want bigger government, they disagree with me on politics, but they're still willing to have a conversation, they want an open forum.
00:06:26.000People who are on the hard left think that it's actually an insult to their identity to disagree with them, and this is what I experience sometimes on campuses, you know, Cal State LA, where there's a near riot when I speak.
00:06:35.000University of Wisconsin, where people storm the stage and stand in front of it and won't leave.
00:06:39.000Or Penn State, where we have, again, another near-violent incident over at Penn State.
00:06:43.000Or DePaul, where they actually banned me outright.
00:06:44.000So sometimes you get this routine from people who think that they conflate their viewpoint with their identity.
00:06:50.000And then if you have a different viewpoint, you're denying them their humanity.
00:06:54.000And it's like, no, I'm not denying you.
00:06:56.000I just think what you're saying is dumb.
00:06:59.000That's a very good point, is that they have their identity completely connected with their ideology.
00:07:05.000And when you oppose these people, when you have these debates with these people, What's really fascinating is the level of hysteria that gets reached while you're staying calm.
00:07:57.000Remember, they had a big blow-up at University of Missouri with Black Lives Matter taking over campus offices and suggesting that there was some sort of big racism problem at Mizzou, which is just ridiculous.
00:08:16.000We get to the campus, and they had already tried to cancel my speech because of security.
00:08:19.000And I said, I'm coming anyway, so tough.
00:08:22.000I had to be escorted in by 20 armed police officers.
00:08:25.000I had to be escorted off campus by motorcycle cops flashing their lights.
00:08:29.000There were 300 students who had blocked all of the entrances, were physically assaulting people trying to get into the theater.
00:08:34.000The police had to sneak the students in two by two into the theater.
00:08:37.000They told them that until I left the campus, they couldn't actually let the kids out of the theater because they were afraid that if they let the kids out of the theater, they'd be attacked as they were released.
00:09:07.000And we get all those people together to attack the system because the system is keeping them down.
00:09:12.000And there's a hierarchy among these victim groups.
00:09:15.000And if you are a straight white male, you're at the very, very bottom of the hierarchy in terms of viewpoints that should be acknowledged because you're the creators of this vast white supremacist system that keeps down everybody else.
00:09:24.000If you're a black woman, you're near the top, right?
00:09:28.000If you're a white guy and you challenge the viewpoint of a black woman, your viewpoint is an attack on her identity.
00:09:34.000And therefore, she has the right to shut you down.
00:09:37.000And so the idea is that your words are violence to her identity and therefore she has the right to react.
00:09:44.000This is the term you hear on campus a lot is microaggressions.
00:09:46.000This idea that my opinion microaggresses you.
00:09:49.000Now, even that terminology I think is really stupid because normally in regular life we would say that's insulting and you said something I don't like.
00:09:57.000The terminology microaggression suggests aggression, like I'm actually doing something aggressive to you.
00:10:02.000And the rational response to someone aggressing you is to use physical force in response.
00:10:06.000And so you start to see a more violent response.
00:10:09.000I think it's been growing in our politics.
00:10:10.000I think there's a reactionary side on the right that's growing.
00:10:13.000If there's an identity politics on the left that says, you know, black identity politics, gay identity politics, female identity politics, I think you're starting to see in some areas of white identity politics that's almost formed in response.
00:10:23.000Like, okay, well, if everybody else gets to have their identity politics, why can't we defend ourselves on those same grounds?
00:10:30.000I hate that shit too, and I would like to find the person who invented the term microaggression.
00:10:35.000Because that fucker, whoever it was, they created quite a mess.
00:10:40.000I'm sure you saw what happened at Evergreen with Brett Weinstein, where literally the left is eating itself, and that's where it gets crazy.
00:10:46.000It's like you're not progressive enough, unless you're literally submitting to leaving your class because you're white.
00:10:54.000Like, you can't be there because you're white.
00:10:56.000They want a day of absence, meaning the professors, the white people.
00:11:00.000And then when you don't do it, you're somehow another racist and a Nazi.
00:11:04.000I mean, the whole thing was very bizarre to watch, but...
00:11:53.000This weird thing where half of it is identity politics, but it's also wrapped up in this need to control people and control people's behavior, control their vernacular, control the way they communicate and how much you give in to groupthink.
00:12:13.000And Jonathan Haidt, who's a social psychologist over at NYU, he did a really good piece for The Atlantic in 2015 about this phenomenon, this kind of safe space trigger warning phenomenon, this idea that you must never be forced into a position where someone has an idea that opposes yours.
00:12:26.000And what he said is it basically makes people crazy.
00:12:28.000You know, it actually makes you crazy.
00:12:30.000The idea in psychology is that if you have a chain of thoughts, Leading to a bad outcome.
00:12:35.000If you're depressive, then you have a chain of thoughts leading to a bad outcome.
00:12:38.000The way that psychologists deal with that is with cognitive behavioral therapy.
00:12:41.000They say, okay, where in this chain of thoughts are you going wrong?
00:12:43.000Are you attributing to somebody a motive they don't have?
00:12:45.000Is your wife really being nasty or is it you just attributing nasty to her and that's why you're getting depressed, you're spinning off, right?
00:12:52.000Try to control your own chain of thoughts.
00:12:53.000What the microaggression trigger warning culture does is it actually grants value.
00:12:57.000The more you are offended, the more value you are granted.
00:13:00.000And therefore, you have actually an interest in being offended.
00:13:02.000We give you awards if you're offended.
00:13:25.000You know, then we would finally have the person who we could go to to answer all of our questions because their identity would be unquestionable.
00:14:11.000And I just thought to myself, well, the KKK agrees.
00:14:13.000Like, if you want to do safe spaces for separate races, I can find some Jim Crow racists who are totally up for that from, like, 1962. Right?
00:14:20.000Well there's the really bizarre statement that I've heard over and over again that black people cannot be racist against white people because they don't have any power over white people.
00:14:35.000This idea that you have to have power in the superstructure in order for you even to be racist.
00:14:40.000I can understand the argument if they said, look, you being racist is not connected to racist action.
00:14:45.000If you don't have the capacity for action that affects people, then your personal racism is not as important as the racism of people in power.
00:15:46.000This trend and look at what's going on in popular culture and look at what's going on with identity politics and this war between the left and the right and wonder where it's going.
00:15:56.000I mean, it feels like the people on the left are completely emboldened by the fact that you have this guy in office who has said things like grab him by the pussy and he lies all the time and makes fun of people's plastic surgery.
00:16:11.000You think that having this guy in this position I guess in some way emboldens them and makes them even more convinced the fact they're right, you know, fight, put up the resistance and hashtag resistance, hashtag resist.
00:16:31.000I think what's happening, and it's one of the things that I personally am not a fan of, and this goes all the way back to the Piers Morgan debate that you mentioned.
00:16:37.000I mean, I started off that debate with Piers Morgan.
00:16:39.000Saying to him, you don't get to attribute intent to me that I don't have, right?
00:16:43.000You're standing on the graves of the Kids of Sandy Hook in order to promote your political agenda, implying I don't care enough about dead kids because I don't agree with you.
00:16:50.000That is the sweet spot where a lot of people like to live, which is, if we disagree on politics, it's because you're an asshole.
00:16:56.000It's not because we disagree on the best method to get to the goal or we have different goals.
00:17:02.000And I think that what you're seeing is with Trump, there's an attempt to cast all of his voters as people who love all of the things that are bad that he does and says.
00:17:11.000It's not that they voted for him because they thought Hillary Clinton was the worst presidential candidate in the history of America, which is true.
00:17:16.000They voted for him because they liked the grab him by the P word stuff.
00:17:19.000They voted for him because they like that he's vulgar and he lies a lot.
00:17:22.000They voted for him because they are bad people, right?
00:17:25.000This is why people misread, I think, Hillary Clinton's deplorable speech.
00:17:28.000The implication was, okay, everybody who voted for Trump is a bad human being.
00:17:52.000So there was a story, I think it was in the Boston Globe, about how back in 1982, he went on a family vacation, and when they were traveling, he put the dog in a cage and put the dog on the top of his car.
00:18:02.000And this was like a big campaign issue, right?
00:18:10.000He's mean, he hates the poor, he hates women.
00:18:11.000The binders full of women thing was particularly stupid because the entire point he was making is that I was trying to recruit women to my administration so they would bring binders full of female resumes to me so I could staff more women.
00:18:21.000And they turned it into binders full of women.
00:18:25.000So this attempt to castigate the other side is really bad.
00:18:28.000And I think that you see some of that on the right, but I think it's more reactionary.
00:18:32.000I think that the unearned moral superiority that the left likes to kind of wallow in, I think that's more on the left than on the right, although I think that there is an attempt by some on the right now in response to do some of that.
00:18:42.000Well, it becomes these sticking points that you use to win, you know, and it becomes something that people repeat over and over again, you know, like the deplorable thing.
00:18:52.000I was walking down New York City, down the street, right after Trump won when they were protesting, and there was this guy right next to me fucking screaming.
00:19:01.000He wasn't even in the actual parade itself.
00:19:03.000He was on the sidewalk, but he was screaming, Donald Trump, KKK, racist, sexist, anti-gay.
00:19:12.000He had just boiled it down to this thing, but the best part about it was he saw a black guy coming towards him, and he just started screaming, Black Lives Matter!
00:19:42.000It's almost like the laziness in having the ability to communicate is one thing, but having the ability to express a complete thought that covers something as nuanced and as complex as American politics in 2017, That's too hard.
00:19:58.000So let's just yell out, Donald Trump, KKK! And this ability to boil down what's the difference between the left and the right to a little statement, or a bucket of deplorable, a basket of deplorables, whatever it is, binders of women.
00:20:13.000It's so tempting, because it's so powerful that it works.
00:20:17.000You can put it on the back of a bumper sticker.
00:20:19.000I think we've also been shaped a little bit by...
00:21:26.000I mean, the truth is we watch it for fun.
00:21:28.000I mean, right now, the last week particularly, with Scaramucci, you know, it's impossible.
00:21:32.000It's impossible not to watch it for fun, but it's actually kind of serious business.
00:21:37.000Like, there are other world leaders who are actually looking at this like, this impacts my nation.
00:21:40.000For us, we look at it and we go, well, I wonder what's on TV on tonight's episode of Trump the series.
00:21:45.000Well, when you say reduce the power of the president, I think there's a lot of people that would think that would be a great idea, because having one person has the authority over 300-plus million people, it is kind of ridiculous at this point in time.
00:21:55.000But how would you go about doing that?
00:21:57.000Like, what would be the best way to implement something like that?
00:21:59.000I mean, it really isn't just the presidency.
00:22:01.000You'd have to reduce the power of Congress as well.
00:22:03.000I mean, you'd have to go back to a federalist-based system where localities and states have more power over local issues and the federal government just isn't that powerful.
00:22:12.000Because what's happened basically in the constitutional structure, the federal government was never supposed to be anywhere near this big.
00:22:18.000There are very certain delegated powers in the Constitution of the United States that Congress has, and they are very small.
00:22:23.000I mean, it's things like building post offices and interstate roads and regulating interstate commerce.
00:22:28.000But the idea that they could regulate, you know, your toilet flushing is just, that's silly.
00:22:32.000I mean, the founders would have thought that was ridiculous.
00:22:34.000Yet you have a federal government that's that big.
00:22:38.000But if you're in Congress, the last thing you want is to be answerable for that.
00:22:42.000So what you do instead is you drop vague statutes, right?
00:22:44.000You say things like, We hope that we're passing a law that says that we should fix the environment.
00:22:48.000And then you kick it over to the executive branch.
00:22:50.000And the executive branch, you know, run by President Trump or President Obama, has a bunch of executive branch agencies like the EPA. And the EPA puts together all these regulations that you've never seen, never heard of, you never elected these people.
00:23:01.000They put together all the regulations.
00:23:03.000And then those are the ones that actually govern your lives.
00:23:05.000So if you're in Congress and things go bad, you say, well, that's not what I meant to do.
00:23:11.000And the bureaucrats who are not elected don't have to care.
00:23:13.000So basically you have everyone kicking the can to the other person for purposes of responsibility.
00:23:18.000The only way this is going to happen is if the American people just decide they're sick of the federal government running all this stuff, and they start actively working to elect people who want to minimize their own power, which is difficult.
00:23:29.000I mean, most people in power don't want to minimize their own power.
00:23:33.000It seems like no one who's worked so hard to get to the top of the game is going to try to...
00:23:39.000The other way to do it is to elect people on the state level who are pretty zealous about their own authority.
00:23:44.000You've seen this from Greg Abbott in Texas, that every so often he'll say to the federal government, listen, you're telling me to do something?
00:26:04.000Everybody's worried about getting kidnapped over there.
00:26:06.000I find Mexican people to be some of the nicest people and real friendly and easy to get along with, but they don't give a fuck about traffic lights.
00:26:14.000When we were stuck in traffic, like there's bumper to bumper and it's a green light going this way.
00:26:19.000Cars just go in front of you and they just sort of make their way through and people hit the brakes and they make their way through the intersection.
00:26:26.000It's a straight up red light and they just go.
00:26:55.000But it is why, in America, because we have a baseline, and this is what I think is breaking down, actually, so not to get too deep on a point about Mexican city traffic, but I think that, you know, the country was based on this idea.
00:27:08.000We all have respect for each other enough that we're going to follow the basic rules of the game.
00:27:11.000And that's true as far as traffic lights.
00:27:13.000It's true as far as financial dealings with one another.
00:27:16.000And when you lose that, when you lose the basic respect for the guy who lives next to you, you know, you need to get through the red light.
00:28:08.000It's almost like you get that sort of diffusion of responsibility thing where there's just too many people to care about and you lose this feeling of value that you have for fellow people.
00:28:19.000I lived in Boulder for a little while.
00:28:21.000And when I lived there, the People's Republic of Boulder, you want to talk about lefties.
00:29:32.000But I do think that there is something to the idea that if you have too many people in too small a space, we're all up in each other's business so much that it's very hard to say to people, okay, liberty, stay away from one another, leave each other alone.
00:29:44.000It's like, yeah, but he lives next door and he's a jackass.
00:31:20.000You know, he's talking about like, you know, they throw him in the back of the paddy wagon and we do all the, and you don't put your head on the, fine, they bump their head, they just killed someone.
00:31:28.000And so the entire media went, now how dare he?
00:31:30.000He's talking about how cops should rough people up.
00:31:32.000Listen, is it appropriate for the President of the United States to talk like that about treatment of suspects?
00:32:22.000And that's one of the things that I've read about him, that he's getting better at getting away from the comments and not reading comments on Twitter.
00:32:34.000Well, there's a group of people suing them, and now they're actually starting to rule against public officials, people who are in the public light, being able to block citizens and having their own opinion about what this person is doing or not doing.
00:32:47.000So then you have to say, well, are you allowed to be vulgar?
00:33:33.000I wrote a piece in National Review about this.
00:33:36.000You say that the level of hatred directed toward Trump is warping Trump.
00:33:39.000I think that it's also warping some people on my side of the aisle who are so interested in the fight that they're less interested in advancing the policies that I'd like to see achieved.
00:33:48.000I think there's a whole group of people where, let's say that Trump would just resign tomorrow.
00:34:33.000Two days ago, yesterday, there was a report that Trump said that he thinks the White House is shabby.
00:34:38.000Now, I can say, as somebody on the conservative right my entire life, if Obama said that, we would not let him forget that for 1,000 years.
00:35:11.000Guys, ticking off the left is not a substitute for defeating the left if you actually care about defeating the left.
00:35:16.000This is one of the things that drives me nuts, because my life goal has been to promulgate particular ideas, not just to piss off the left, but I think that in the fight, there are a lot of people who have fallen into the trap of thinking these two things are identical, right?
00:35:28.000You piss off the left, that means you're winning.
00:35:30.000It's like, no, pissing off the left may be part of it, but that's not how you win.
00:35:35.000You win by saying things that are true, and if they get pissed, they get pissed.
00:35:37.000Well, my good friend Bill Burr did this piece about Obama back when Obama was mocking Trump and saying, the one thing that I am that you'll never be is the President of the United States.
00:35:50.000And Obama was saying this on stage, and you see Trump in the audience boiling with his big frog, double chin, just sitting there eating it all, and that fucking stuck in his craw.
00:36:03.000There's a whole story that came out from BuzzFeed about his interaction with a guy named McKay Coppins, a reporter for BuzzFeed, in which McKay was basically saying to Trump, like, you're a joke.
00:36:53.000But it doesn't matter, just the idea that he would think, I mean, he must be emboldened by the fact that Trump has said so many outrageous things.
00:37:00.000Well, I mean, there were reports from the New York Post that he actually, that Trump liked it.
00:37:03.000That all that happened is that there was so much blowback that he had to replace Kelly, and he puts Kelly in there, and Kelly's like, you can't do this.
00:37:30.000And at the same time, remember, this is the same week that Trump himself is tweeting out that Attorney General Sessions, who is his most loyal supporter for a year and a half, that that guy is like a traitor.
00:39:45.000If I didn't think that nuclear war was a possibility, I'd probably enjoy it more.
00:39:48.000But if I see a fucking Korean missile headed our way, I'm going to be pissed.
00:39:52.000When Comey was handling the email thing, what specifically did you not like about it?
00:39:57.000What I thought was crazy was when he restarted or reopened the case because of Huma having used her Computer, with Anthony Wieners, all that stuff.
00:40:24.000Well, Comey, so he screwed it up and then he re-screwed it up.
00:40:27.000So when he originally said publicly, we're not going to prosecute Hillary Clinton, he was doing something he didn't have the authority to do.
00:40:33.000The FBI does not decide whether to prosecute people.
00:40:36.000They refer the information to the DOJ and then the DOJ decides whether to prosecute people.
00:40:40.000It was Attorney General Loretta Lynch's decision whether to prosecute or not.
00:40:43.000The statute itself, I mean, I'm a lawyer, the statute itself did not say, do you have intent to commit espionage?
00:40:49.000Do you have intent to make classified secrets public or expose them to the possibility of being made public?
00:40:55.000Intent is not an element of the crime, right?
00:40:59.000So my wife, she's a doctor, and that means that she is under HIPAA requirements.
00:41:03.000There's no element under HIPAA that says that if she reveals somebody's, you know, proprietary medical information by accident, well, there's no intent, so she's okay.
00:41:12.000If she brings somebody's medical records out to her car and somebody steals the medical records, you know, if she's working at the VA or something, that's a crime.
00:41:19.000It doesn't matter if she intended to do it and just left it in her purse.
00:41:21.000So Comey read the element of intent into the crime to get Hillary off, and then he said, okay, we're not going to prosecute this.
00:41:52.000Because he's afraid that if he doesn't reveal that information, Hillary goes on to win, and then it comes out there's something criminal, then people are going to blame him for Hillary winning and putting a criminal in the White House.
00:42:02.000So instead he says, oh, well, I'll be fully transparent.
00:42:07.000Of course, then Hillary loses, and now he screwed up twice.
00:42:11.000And then he gets into the White House and now he's supposed to be investigating the Trump-Russia stuff at the same time.
00:42:17.000So now he's investigating basically both candidates in the 2016 election.
00:42:20.000He handled this the wrong way every step of the way because he was so focused on what will uphold the integrity of the FBI and the integrity of the investigations and the integrity of the DOJ. He was less worried about, okay, what do I actually have to do under the law?
00:42:46.000But the problem, remember, was not the firing of Comey.
00:42:49.000It was that two days after he fired Comey, he went to Lester Holt on NBC, and he said, the reason I fired Comey was not all the excuses I gave about the Hillary stuff.
00:43:16.000So obstruction, looking at the statutes, obstruction is a little bit more than that.
00:43:19.000So you have to actually obstruct an ongoing investigation into criminal activity.
00:43:23.000There's a counterintelligence investigation going on, but not necessarily a criminal one.
00:43:27.000So not to get too specific about it, but...
00:43:28.000Well, that is specific, but you should get specific about it.
00:43:31.000Yeah, I mean, the obstruction laws, I mean, I've looked into kind of the statutes that they've used to suggest obstruction, and it's not clear that there's any statute that specifically governs something like this.
00:43:39.000Plus, it is true that Trump does have the power, as the chief executive, to fire, as the commander-in-chief, to fire the FBI director for any reason he chooses.
00:43:47.000Now, all that said, he can be impeached for any reason, criminal or non-criminal, right?
00:44:01.000There's the House, and they have to vote to impeach you.
00:44:04.000And then there's the Senate, and they have to vote by a two-thirds majority, or a 60, yeah, I think it's a two-thirds majority, to actually convict you of a set of crimes that they come up with.
00:44:12.000But these are all political definitions, right?
00:44:14.000When it says high crimes and misdemeanors, it doesn't mean they actually have to prosecute you like they would in a criminal court, and you'd have to go to jail or any of that kind of stuff.
00:44:21.000Like, they could impeach anybody at any time.
00:44:23.000Clinton didn't even have to commit perjury.
00:44:24.000If they wanted to impeach him, they could.
00:44:27.000They could have impeached every president you can impeach.
00:44:31.000So all the talk about what's criminal and what's not criminal, the problem for Trump, there are two ways of reading Trump's behavior in the whole Russia thing, right?
00:44:37.000Way one is he's got something to hide.
00:44:45.000We don't really know why he got rid of Comey and then brags to the Russians that it took pressure off him on the Russia stuff.
00:44:50.000So way one is he's hiding something and now he's firing everybody who gets in the way.
00:44:55.000The chain of evidence doesn't not fit that.
00:44:57.000The people he's angry at in order are Attorney General Sessions, the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, the former head of the FBI James Comey, the acting head of the FBI McCabe, and the special prosecutor Robert Mueller.
00:45:10.000So those are all people involved with Russia.
00:45:12.000Those are the only people he's really angry at.
00:45:14.000So there's something to be said for the idea that maybe he's trying to hide something.
00:45:17.000On the other hand, We haven't actually seen any hard evidence of collusion itself.
00:45:22.000So we saw an attempt to collude by Donald Trump Jr. But we haven't actually seen any evidence that the Russians were providing special information to the Trump administration, which was then being weaponized for use in the campaign.
00:45:49.000I mean, this is totally plausible, right?
00:45:51.000Comey comes to him and has said privately that you are not under investigation.
00:45:56.000And Trump says to him,''Well, why didn't you say that?'' And Comey says,''Well, I can't say that, because if I say that, I'm going to have to update Congress if you do fall under investigation.'' And Trump doesn't like that.
00:46:05.000He wants the public to know he's free and clear.
00:47:01.000The way politics works now is your smartest move, if there's dirt about you, is to be the first person out the gate with it and you put a spin on it, right?
00:47:09.000So like Barack Obama, imagine if Obama hadn't said anything in 2008 and then we found out a week before the election that he did coke in high school.
00:47:58.000It's not quite as much as people on the left want to say it is, meaning that there's no evidence yet that any information was actually exchanged with the Russians or that anything came of the meeting.
00:48:07.000Most of the people in the meeting who have said something have said nothing came of it.
00:48:10.000You know, but we don't know whether Trump knew about the meeting.
00:48:12.000I find it kind of hard to believe he didn't, you know, considering every major campaign figure was there.
00:48:16.000But, you know, and then they just keep lying.
00:48:20.000And this is the part that's a problem.
00:48:23.000Are they lying because they just think they can get away with it and they're stupid?
00:48:26.000Or are they lying because they're actually being meticulous about their lies?
00:48:30.000I tend to think the former, because this isn't a professional administration.
00:48:33.000I think these, I think Trump, you know, fibs a lot.
00:48:36.000He says things that are, I mean, like, on stupid things.
00:48:38.000He says things like, the leader of the Boy Scouts called me and told me that he loved my speeches.
00:49:09.000And this is something that, again, I think that we're shaped by Hollywood a little bit.
00:49:13.000Politics is dirty, but some of this stuff is not usual.
00:49:16.000It's actually not particularly usual to meet with a government that is really not friendly to the United States to receive information about your political opponents.
00:49:24.000But if you've watched House of Cards, you think, well, I mean, that's like two steps down from throwing somebody under a subway, so what's the big deal?
00:51:09.000I'm sure it's happened at some point, but again, if I don't know who and when, I'm hesitant to, like, I think that we, and I think that we tend to think things are regular when they are, I mean, that'd be really irregular.
00:52:08.000I mean, would you believe it if I said, like, leaders in France had people regularly whacked?
00:52:13.000I'd find it a little bit hard to believe.
00:52:14.000I don't think we're significantly worse than France in the whacking people in politics business.
00:52:18.000I don't think regularly, but I think every now and then, the move is...
00:52:22.000I'm open to the possibility, but I'd have to see the evidence, the lawyer in me.
00:52:25.000Well, I don't think we're a house of cards.
00:52:27.000I don't think it gets that ridiculous, but...
00:52:28.000The point I'm making is, if you think that's a regular thing...
00:52:30.000If you think that it's not a rare thing, and maybe once in a while, once every 20 years somebody gets whacked quietly for a political reason, if you think that's a regular thing, then fibbing is way inside the line.
00:53:13.000For people to know the story, this guy was having an affair, the girl turned up dead, and then 9-11 happened right away afterwards, so people kind of forgot about it.
00:53:23.000But they found her body in the park, and everybody was like, Jesus Christ.
00:53:27.000Like this is a woman that was about to testify that she was having an affair with this guy and That one was a good one.
00:53:35.000Not a good one, obviously, a terrible one.
00:54:46.000Like, you climb out the window of the car, swim out to the river, bank, go to somebody's house, come back, like, a day later, and you're like, oh, shit, there was a girl in the backseat.
00:54:56.000I've never had it happen, but I have had what I would call slideshow nights.
00:55:02.000You know, where I get hammered, and then, like, I wake up in the morning with a pounding headache, and I just...
00:55:08.000I just have these flashes in my head, like, who was that person?
00:56:31.000I mean, it's his only defense, so you'd imagine.
00:56:33.000Well, that was one of the things that they said that they would have used as a defense, again, with OJ. That OJ, with the CTE, that he might not have even known what he was doing, that he might have flown into some...
00:56:48.000Everyone who has CTE now gets to run around chopping up their ex-wife and randos who end up at their house.
00:56:53.000That's a hell of a defense, sort of like the Twinkie defense, right?
00:56:56.000Yeah, well, the Twinkie defense was hilarious.
00:56:58.000But there are people that think that you're going to see more and more things like that out of former NFL players with massive brain trauma issues.
00:57:08.000It's actually a serious legal question.
00:57:44.000I mean, they've had cases where people are, like, sleepwalking and...
00:57:47.000They think that, and they're dreaming at the same time, so they think that their wife is actually like, this defense has been used, where they think their wife is some sort of monster in the room, so they club her to death, and then they wake up and they're like, oh, that was my wife?
00:57:59.000It's a really creative defense, or it's true.
00:58:02.000Well, if we know that people can go crazy and we know that brain trauma is a real issue, the two of them together, I mean, there's something about getting knocked around in the head where it's so completely unpredictable and then you add in this impulsive nature of their behavior that happens.
00:58:19.000There's something really weird about brain trauma.
00:58:22.000It causes a lot of very strange, impulsive behavior in people.
00:58:26.000They really can't understand even why they're behaving the way they're behaving.
00:58:44.000There was 111 players and 110 of them had CTE. I mean, you tell me.
00:58:50.000I mean, you have more experience with this.
00:58:51.000I mean, I didn't find that shocking at all.
00:58:53.000I mean, they've been calling people punch drunk since 1910. Well, see, the thing is, when you get to that, when you get to the slurring your words part, you're so gone.
00:59:04.000There's a lot of people that have CTE that speak really well, and they're very articulate, and they're very reasonable, and you wouldn't even understand that they're dealing with all this host of neurological issues.
00:59:16.000By the time your voice, obviously I'm not a neurologist, but by the time, as it's been explained to me, your voice is slurring and you're dealing with, like, real heavy-duty symptoms, like, you're fucked.
01:00:02.000But then there's also, look, the Colin Kaepernick thing, I think that probably cost a lot of ratings for the NFL. Yeah, there was that poll that came out that said, I think, of the 12% of people who said that they were not watching NFL games last year, 28% of that 12% said that the Kaepernick national anthem thing was the reason.
01:00:21.000Yeah, I mean, some people, it probably emboldened them.
01:00:24.000They probably liked it, and they wanted to watch it more.
01:00:26.000This is fascinating about the cultural breakdown of the country.
01:00:28.000Basically, white people hated it, and black people loved it.
01:01:00.000Caitlyn Jenner hasn't even been athletically relevant since before I was born.
01:01:03.000I was born in 1984. Well, the Caitlyn Jenner piece, when they did it for ESPN, and I don't know if this is true or not, but the word was that her getting Athlete of the Year, or whatever the award was that she got.
01:01:15.000Yeah, it was like the Hero of the Year award, yeah.
01:03:09.000The number one retweeted tweet I have ever had had a hundred and I tweeted I think a day ago and it has a hundred and twenty thousand likes and it's it was there was a headline from CNN that said transgender man gives birth to trans what was it was transgender man assigned the female sex at birth Gives birth to healthy baby boy.
01:03:28.000And so I tweeted, woman gives birth to boy.
01:04:20.000So I think that there's a couple of things that are going on.
01:04:22.000One is that it's very dark, but I think that there is an element of, like, this is different, and we get to revel in the weirdness of it, but we're gonna pretend that it's all about the civil rights of it.
01:04:33.000We're gonna feel, like, special because we're on their side.
01:04:37.000We're not watching Caitlyn Jenner because it's a curiosity and because it's weird and entertaining.
01:04:41.000We're doing it because we're on Caitlyn Jenner's side.
01:04:44.000But there have been trans people forever.
01:05:45.000I mean, again, I don't care if you transition, do what you want to do.
01:05:48.000But the idea that we as an entire society have to redefine what sex is, and we have to blind ourselves to what biology is, this is something I'm not willing to do.
01:05:55.000I think that it's actually damaging to kids, particularly.
01:06:59.000This is not me being unsympathetic to people who suffer from a condition that is really tragic and obviously harms people, you know, in terms of, again, the rates of suicide and depression are astounding.
01:07:09.000My grandfather was a bipolar schizophrenic.
01:07:13.000And it would have not been good for him or my family if people had said to him, Nate, you're right, the radio is talking to you.
01:07:22.000They put him in a mental hospital, they gave him lithium, and then he was better, and he could actually live a normal, relatively happy life.
01:07:28.000There's no good treatment for gender identity disorder, gender dysphoria, whatever you want to call it, but to suggest that it is a condition that doesn't require treatment, that really it's just that you're actually brain female, again, this is ascientific.
01:07:39.000There's no scientific evidence to back this whatsoever.
01:07:42.000Even these studies that have been done talking about there's a female brain and a male brain, first of all, if you say this to a feminist, you're a sexist.
01:07:49.000If you say to a feminist, there's a female brain and a male brain, and the male brain works differently than the female brain, the feminist will look at you like, how dare you?
01:07:56.000Well, it's also one of the rare times where you're allowed to celebrate classic definitions of female beauty when a man embraces him when he becomes a woman.
01:08:04.000Lipstick, high heels, short skirt, this is like not sexist.
01:08:08.000Caitlyn Jenner was only a woman when Caitlyn Jenner was on the cover of Vanity Fair and a Bustier.
01:09:09.000How about there was only one real civil rights fight, and it was about black people who had been historically oppressed in the United States for 200 years.
01:09:43.000If I'm a business owner, and I hire you, and you're a man, and you come in the next day, and you're dressed in a woman's clothing saying you're a woman, but you still have a full beard, I don't see why I, as a business owner, am expected to eat the cost of that.
01:10:02.000I was completely open and liberal about it until there was a case where a man who had been a man for 30 years became a woman for a little less than two years and then started MMA fighting women.
01:10:17.000And beating the fuck out of these women and not proclaiming that he or she used to be a man because, in quotes, it was a medical condition that I did not need to disclose.
01:10:30.000Like, that's not a fucking medical condition.
01:10:43.000But again, it's so funny how the transgender movement destroys the feminist movement by living off of the sort of lies that the feminist movement promulgated.
01:10:51.000So the feminist movement said stupid things like, women and men, equally athletic proficient.
01:10:56.000Well, that's something that has been repeated very recently, that there's no biological difference in the genders, and it's all social.
01:12:15.000But what's funny about this is that the left kept saying, even when I met my wife, right, who's a conservative, and I made her more conservative when we got married because that's what men tend to do to their wives.
01:12:27.000But she, you know, I remember early on we had a conversation about this, and I said, women don't throw like men.
01:14:28.000It turns out that men are better even at being women than women.
01:14:31.000No wonder feminists are pissed, and they should be.
01:14:33.000And this whole glossing over the difference between feminists who have been claiming that women are distinct from men and important and different and better in certain ways.
01:14:42.000Like, I don't understand how you hold these two simultaneous thoughts.
01:14:44.000Hillary Clinton needs to be president because we need a female president.
01:14:47.000But also, Donald Trump, if he said he was a woman tomorrow, would be a woman.
01:14:51.000How do you hold those two simultaneous thoughts?
01:14:52.000I always thought that in the last week of the election, if Trump thought he was going to lose, he should have just declared himself a woman, and then he too could have run as the first female president.
01:14:59.000That would have been amazing if he did it.
01:14:59.000That would have been incredible trolling.
01:15:00.000If he just showed up with a dress and lipstick.
01:15:03.000Oh man, and the entire left could have been- I identify as a woman.
01:15:06.000I've been voted as the best looking woman of all time.
01:15:09.000One of the great arguments that I got in online, it wasn't even arguments, but so many people were calling me a bigot because of this Fallon Fox thing.
01:15:17.000It was stunning because it was so confusing to me.
01:15:20.000I'm like, I'm talking about defending a biological woman.
01:15:24.000Like, these biological women, at least two of them, got the fuck beaten out of them by Fallon Fox before they found out that she used to be a man.
01:15:32.000I'm like, that's not an issue to these people?
01:15:34.000And so this one woman said, she's always been a woman.
01:16:09.000There's a crazy thing is that they always rely on these gender reassignment doctors to define the terms.
01:16:16.000And it's really interesting because I got deep, deep, deep into the rabbit hole with this because I was really shocked at how many people were angry at me.
01:16:22.000And there is one doctor who is a board-certified endocrinologist who sort of broke it down.
01:16:28.000She's like, not only is the science behind this crazy, but when you have gender reassignment surgery, One of the big issues with men transitioning into women is bone density.
01:16:38.000She's like, when you have gender reassignment surgery, you're taking estrogen, which actually preserves bone density.
01:16:44.000Not only do they have less bone density once they become a woman, they might have more.
01:16:57.000I mean, I know too much about doctoring from having spent 1,000 years with my wife's medical education to believe that doctors have the capacity to magically change a man into a woman.
01:17:06.000Maybe it's going to happen one day with like CRISPR or something like that when they start using, you know, genetic, literally genetic editing.
01:17:47.000Well, they say that 80% of kids who experience any sort of gender dysphoria as children grow out of it.
01:17:53.000So when you have a society that reinforces it, and then in Canada, they're passing laws now that say that if a kid says, you know, you have a girl, and the girl says, I'm a boy, and she's three, that the government can come into your house and take the kid.
01:18:05.000Because obviously, if you don't want to humor the kid and get the kid treatment or surgery or hormone blockers, then you're obviously doing something wrong to the kid.
01:18:15.000First of all, if anyone tried to do that with my kid, I would meet them at the door with a gun.
01:18:18.000I mean, this is the kind of stuff where you're talking legit civil war.
01:18:22.000Like, when you say that the government can take people's kids from them because the government knows better than you how to parent your kids on basic things like, are you a boy or a girl?
01:18:31.000That's going to get violent pretty quickly.
01:18:32.000If you send someone to my door with a gun saying, I'm taking your daughter from you because your daughter says she's a boy at school and you're not going to take her to a psychiatrist to start her transitioning process...
01:18:57.000But how did we get so crazy that that becomes an option that people aren't They're not paying attention to the massive variables that a child encounters.
01:19:09.000Psychological variables, stress variables, what's going on in the home, what's happening hormonally, what's happening psychologically, what is happening to you, and how can you decide, like, this is it.
01:19:20.000You're going to allow this kid to make a lockdown decision to begin gender transition surgery at, like, 9 or 10 years old.
01:19:29.000Yeah, you can put hormone blockers in there to an 8-year-old.
01:19:30.000Yeah, and then they'll show you this girl who's like 13, who used to be a boy, and you see her act and talk, and they go, how could you imagine that this isn't a girl?
01:19:49.000I'm gonna go with the fact that there's a Y chromosome in every cell of that person's body, except, ironically, for some of his sperm cells to tell me that that's probably a boy.
01:19:56.000And yes, you can block the manifestation of some physical characteristics.
01:20:37.000I mean, telling kids that we are going to force you into, like, you express when you're five that you think you're the opposite sex, and now at eight we're going to transition you into this, and your suicide rate is exactly the same as somebody who didn't do that?
01:20:48.000Or it's very similar to somebody who didn't do that?
01:20:51.000And, like, this is somehow supposed to benefit the person?
01:21:00.000And as someone who doesn't experience gender dysphoria, I like to, I mean, when someone's got some sort of an issue, whatever it is, whether you call it an issue or a condition or whatever the fuck it is, and I don't have it, I try to be as...
01:21:21.000This is a weird one because it's become some sort of a fad, and any criticism of it whatsoever, even discussion of it, you are labeled as a transphobic piece of shit.
01:21:31.000Yeah, I think it's only weird, honestly, because it's run into the weird sexual politics that dominates in the country.
01:21:36.000Because if we were to talk about anorexia, which is a form of body dysphoria, or if we were to talk about, I mean, there actually is something body identity integrity disorder, right?
01:22:20.000Your feelings about who you are is subjective.
01:22:23.000You can have those feelings, but once you are trying to translate those feelings into the objective standard we all must hold by, now you're encroaching on my territory.
01:22:31.000It's not just you doing what you want to do anymore.
01:22:33.000You're telling me what I have to do, and that's a different thing.
01:22:35.000Now, when people say that there's this 40% suicide rate amongst transgender people, one of the arguments that I've heard is it's because they're not accepted.
01:22:45.000And that if they were accepted, and then they felt themselves, and they felt loved for their true self, then it would be just like everybody else.
01:22:53.000And I've seen no evidence to suggest that.
01:22:56.000If there is a decrease based on treatment, then it's marginal at best.
01:23:03.000I would like to know, is gender dysphoria, is it in a similar percentile as anorexia, or what bodybuilders get, or what strippers get when they get triple F tits?
01:23:16.000I'd have to look up the anorexic suicide rate.
01:23:19.000Body dysphoria is a weird thing, you know?
01:23:31.000And listen, I'm not saying that we should mistreat people, but if, again, you're talking about an entire society being forced to redefine basic biological terminology, then, like...
01:24:00.000Would you take it into consideration, though?
01:24:02.000I mean, when you're looking at the—what if someone was really good at their job and someone else was equally good at their job but not transgender?
01:24:09.000Would you lean towards the not transgender person?
01:24:11.000Because you say, well, the transgender person, they're dealing with a host of psychological issues, obviously.
01:24:16.000Well, I mean, I think that you would have to think about, you know— Typical aspects of reliability just the same way you would with any other mental disorder if you knew somebody was was manic depressive Which is super common and you have somebody who's equally qualified who's not manic depressive You might think well that might have an effect on how they do their job.
01:24:32.000Yeah, so maybe I mean, I You know, I haven't had enough personal experience with Transgender people to know whether it would impact a secretarial job or something probably not Yeah, probably not but it's it but again to pretend that like transgenders in the military This seems to me like a decision that should be made my military people Who actually have to determine how much does this impact the job?
01:24:51.000And if you already have a group of people with a 40% suicide rate who have higher levels of instability as a group, not individually, as a group, and you're choosing which groups to pick from to be on the front lines in small units living under severe pressure for months at a time,
01:25:10.000Or is that something where you'd have to overcome certain presumptions in order to get there?
01:25:15.000Yeah, I tweeted something that Kristen Beck wrote the other day about when the military ban, when Trump, apparently there was not a real ban.
01:25:30.000Two minutes later, he was back to tweeting about Sessions.
01:25:32.000This was the part about that I didn't like.
01:25:33.000Like, I actually agree that there is a question as to whether the military should be recruiting transgender people because I think that the military has certain, like, it creates a bunch of questions.
01:25:43.000Not just questions about who showers with whom, but also questions like, okay, you have a transgender man.
01:25:47.000Does he have to fill the female standards of fitness or the male standards of fitness?
01:26:14.000But that said, that's why they commissioned a study from General Mattis at Department of Defense.
01:26:19.000He was going to look into all of this and then give a report in six months.
01:26:22.000And Trump just sort of tweeted it out there.
01:26:23.000I agree that I think that Trump's general, you know, his general attitude on it is probably correct in terms of what the military is there doing, what it's not there to do.
01:26:32.000But what I don't agree with is how he did it at all.
01:26:34.000Because it's disrespectful to the people in the military who are transgender.
01:26:37.000I mean, like, I wouldn't want to find out in a tweet.
01:26:39.000I want a better rationale than two tweets, and then we're back to, you know, like, look, they're doing more than I. I mean, they're serving the military.
01:27:18.000I mean, he wanted to shift the conversation.
01:27:19.000And the funniest thing about that is that he did it in two tweets.
01:27:22.000And the first half of the tweet was, in consultation with my generals and my military experts, we have decided that we will no longer accept...
01:27:32.000So there was a story at BuzzFeed that was kind of funny.
01:27:36.000They went and interviewed a bunch of people in the Pentagon, and a bunch of the people in the Pentagon were like, during that 10-minute gap, I didn't know whether we were going to nuclear war or what, right?
01:27:43.000Because that first tweet was like, we will no longer accept it.
01:27:46.000Could have been North Korea's missile test program.
01:27:51.000Yeah, but this, again, is evidence, you know, I think it's an example of, even if I think the policy is good, good policy done the wrong way is actually counterproductive for the policies that I want to see done.
01:28:03.000I want it laid out by Defense Department.
01:28:05.000I want all the reasons laid out so we can have a good discussion over it.
01:28:07.000I don't really want just, like, thought vomit on Twitter.
01:28:11.000That's just not, I don't think it's effective.
01:28:12.000Well, it also seems that this issue is such a hot issue, and it's also an issue that you're not really allowed to have an opinion on, other than the standard opinion that this has always been a woman trapped in a man's body, and this is the way it is, and it's totally healthy.
01:28:27.000By the way, this Descartesian notion that it's like the soul in the machine, and there's a woman deep down for 40 years who had three children with a man's penis, and now is escaping.
01:28:54.000So there's that clip of me that's gone around the internet a fair bit where I'm talking to a college girl about this and she's saying, like, men can be women and women can be men.
01:29:13.000I think this is what's kind of frightening about the age we live in is that we can't even come up with common definitions of basic things.
01:29:19.000How are we supposed to have conversations with each other if you can't decide what a man is or what a woman is or whether a scientific fact ought to be relevant or not?
01:29:28.000At least we could decide what was a scientific fact or not before, and now it's like the subjective has just eaten everything.
01:29:34.000If I don't think it's a scientific fact, it's no longer a scientific fact, and therefore I no longer accept it.
01:29:37.000Well, we've changed the parameters of the argument.
01:29:50.000It is no longer about your freedom to be your authentic self when you're talking about either legislation that impacts how I run my business or how I raise my child, or you are suggesting that it is my duty to humor your authentic self.
01:30:00.000Like, I think there are a lot of people who do stupid crap their entire lives.
01:30:02.000It's not my job to humor their authentic self.
01:30:04.000I mean, I'm pro-drug legalization, but I've never done drugs, and I think that drugs are stupid.
01:30:10.000You know, don't tell me that I have to, like, cheer when somebody smokes a joint.
01:30:46.000And the one I thought was amazing was the NCAA saying they were going to remove the Final Four from North Carolina because they passed the bathroom bill in North Carolina.
01:30:55.000And I asked online, okay, so when are you going to abolish the separate male and female divisions of the NCAA? I mean, you've said that we can't have separate male and female bathrooms where biological males play and, you know, where biological males go to one bathroom and biological females go to another.
01:31:09.000So why do you have separate divisions?
01:31:11.000Why do you have an NCAA women's division and an NCAA men's division?
01:32:14.000There's been this weird push in parts of the trans community to suggest that a male who doesn't want to have sex with a biological male who says he's a female is now a sexist against women.
01:32:43.000It's definitely weird, but I have seen the arguments in the blog posts and the tweets about men who discriminate against trans women, who do not want to date trans women.
01:32:53.000And people keep saying, well, it's culturally defined.
01:32:55.000It's like, no, that's called evolution.
01:34:45.000What I've heard of the argument about bodybuilding is that they suffer from it as well, is that in order to get that big, you almost have to have some sort of a body dysmorphia.
01:34:55.000You have to not understand how insanely huge you are.
01:35:46.000And it also came from TV. Like TV, it was going to be, men are going to be hairless now.
01:35:50.000This is the new trend, men are going to be hairless.
01:35:52.000You don't even get the Burt Reynolds-like, you know, bear chest anymore.
01:35:56.000So if people are susceptible to even that with regard to fashion, like people have, for five years, people convinced themselves that skinny jeans were a thing.
01:36:04.000People are open to virtually any sort of suggestion.
01:36:22.000Yeah, the idea of fashion and culture also being...
01:36:29.000Like the same sort of mechanism that allows people to be variable when it comes to their gender.
01:36:34.000I mean, you actually said there's a study, I thought this was fascinating, there's a study in Britain, or a poll in Britain, about sexual orientation.
01:36:41.000And what it found was 95% of people over the age of 60 identified as exclusively heterosexual.
01:36:46.000Of people who are under the age of 30, only 42% identified as exclusively heterosexual.
01:36:50.000And it's like, okay, well, in two generations, it's not that half the population became bisexual, right?
01:37:02.000So assuming that culture has no impact, and this goes against the whole born this way aspect of even the homosexual rights movement, the gay rights movement, that says, oh, you were born this way.
01:37:11.000I agree that there's a genetic component to sexual behavior, but the idea that that's why 50% of the UK population has shifted toward, you know, I'm open to anything.
01:37:54.000Like, young, drunk girls, they get crazy.
01:37:56.000But I think also it's like they're trying to impress people.
01:37:58.000You know, there's an Adam Carolla thing, right, where Adam has a whole shtick about, like, in the future, there's going to be a point where guys are considered gay if they won't kiss another dude.
01:38:15.000There's also this thing that I think happens when you have two very clear sides, you know, where you have teams, and you sort of have a line in the sand that you're not supposed to cross, and there's the right side, and there's the left side.
01:39:42.000I think that, especially in this last election, I think that was true.
01:39:45.000I think that people felt so alienated by the other side.
01:39:47.000Like, to understand a lot of people who voted Trump, you have to understand that there are a lot of people in the country who felt insulted by the left.
01:39:53.000They were just sick of being called racist, sexist, bigot, homophobes every time someone wanted to advance a policy on the left.
01:40:03.000And then there are a bunch of people on the left who now feel insulted by Trump's even presence, and they think all the people who voted for Trump are those people, and so they're fighting racism, sexism, bigotry, and homophobia by voting against Trump.
01:40:14.000Again, we go back to this, and there's a hardening of, there's not one bubble in the country, there's two.
01:40:19.000You know, the right likes to accuse the left of being in a bubble in the coast.
01:40:23.000There's a bubble on the right, too, which is the idea that everybody on the, every piece of the media is lying to you.
01:40:28.000The New York Times is always fake news.
01:42:16.000But I think that once you label somebody completely evil, You have a responsibility not to debate with them.
01:42:23.000You have a responsibility not to talk with them.
01:42:25.000Even the conversation legitimizes them.
01:42:28.000Listen, I'm sure you're going to get a bunch of shit from people for even having me on because the idea is going to be, well, how could you have on somebody like Shapiro?
01:42:35.000You're legitimizing his point of view by having him on.
01:42:37.000I know a lot of people who I politically disagree with who have had that experience will have me on their show and it's like, how dare you have Shapiro on because you're just granting him cover.
01:42:47.000Or we can just have a conversation and maybe we'll disagree and maybe we'll agree.
01:42:49.000Yeah, I really don't give a fuck about those people.
01:42:54.000I feel like you should talk to everybody.
01:42:56.000And if you disagree or agree, I have friends on that.
01:42:59.000My friend yesterday on Eddie Bravo, he believes in everything's a fucking conspiracy.
01:43:03.000I disagree with him wildly and I love him like a brother.
01:43:06.000I don't think you have to agree with people and I don't think you have to...
01:43:10.000The idea that you can't just have a conversation with someone about something and see if you can find middle ground or see if you could clearly define their point of view or find their perspective, that's missing today in a weird way.
01:43:21.000And one of the weirdest things about the election was the ping pong match between the left and the right as played out on national television by the media.
01:43:29.000I would watch, especially cable news, I would watch Fox News and then go to CNN and go back and forth and flip channels.
01:43:36.000You know you have that previous channel button on the DirecTV?
01:43:38.000I would just put it on both of them and go, what?
01:43:42.000My mom said this in 2012 with Romney and Obama.
01:43:45.000If you read the right-wing media, there was no way Romney was going to lose.
01:43:48.000And if you read the left-wing media, there was no way Romney was going to win.
01:43:51.000And she said, which one of these do I believe?
01:43:53.000And I said, it's probably somewhere in the middle.
01:43:54.000Like, I have a basic rule, which is that if you have a New York Times report, and then you have a report from my site, The Daily Wire, and they share the facts, you can probably assume the facts are true.
01:44:02.000But the opinions that are, you know, embedded with the facts...
01:44:42.000And this is where I think the right is correct about CNN and the New York Times and some of the other networks.
01:44:47.000Like, if you ask the right, what pisses you off more, CNN or MSNBC? Most people on the right will say CNN, not MSNBC. Because MSNBC is honest enough to say we're on the left, and CNN pretends we have no bias.
01:45:02.000And then they run the most egregiously biased headlines.
01:45:04.000And we go, well, if they're lying about that, they're lying about everything.
01:45:07.000You know, one of my most fascinating characters of this whole play was Scott Adams.
01:45:13.000And particularly because Scott Adams, when I had him on my podcast, he was saying he doesn't even vote.
01:45:18.000And he's like, what I am paying attention to, he goes, I am a trained hypnotist, and I'm paying attention to the powers of persuasion, and I'm looking at trends, and I'm making some predictions that turned out to be accurate.
01:45:30.000And he's like, he's looking at Trump, and he's not talking about Trump in these glowing terms.
01:45:34.000He's talking about him as being an effective persuader.
01:45:38.000And he lost millions of dollars because of that opinion.
01:45:42.000Talking about a guy that he's not even going to vote for.
01:45:45.000I mean, this is all leading up to the election where people were fucking furious at him.
01:45:50.000And even more furious at him after Trump won, because he would do those coffee with Scott things that he does on Periscope, where he wakes up and he just starts asking questions.
01:46:03.000He had a podcast recently with Sam Harris where I think he was just like...
01:46:08.000A little too far over the edge of apologizing for some of Trump's behavior and sort of attributing some of Trump's behavior to that you could say was incompetence and attributed to some sort of a master plan.
01:46:21.000This is my only quarrel with Scott, I think, is that he tends to believe that everything Trump does is 987 degree underwater, upside down, hungry, hungry hippos.
01:46:28.000Like, everything is just, it's all just acts of genius and it's three steps down the road.
01:46:33.000Instead of, like, stumbling his way to victory.
01:46:36.000Okay, I knew everyone involved in the campaign.
01:46:39.000Like, every single person who was involved in the campaign I knew.
01:46:42.000This was a stumble their way to victory.
01:47:05.000It's just that Hillary was an awful candidate and no one liked her.
01:47:12.000Even the idea that there was a broad national movement for Trump that wasn't there for other candidates, he won fewer votes in Wisconsin than Mitt Romney did and he won the state.
01:47:21.000And that's because no one liked Hillary.
01:47:23.000I mean, the untold story of the election is this was not a referendum on Donald Trump.
01:47:26.000This was a referendum on Hillary Clinton, particularly in the heartland, and people hated her guts.
01:49:17.000So I have this weird idea that we should actually reinstitute a monarchy, and it should just be ceremonial, and they can be a celebrity, right?
01:49:23.000We'll just make a celebrity monarch, and that person will just be there to look pretty and be popular.
01:51:08.000And some people are happy with that because that's how Trump is being, like, sidelined at every time he tries to make something really important.
01:51:14.000I think we all should be happy with that because the only way things were supposed to get passed was with wide public support, right?
01:51:26.000My big problem is that the gridlock now protects a huge system that I don't like that's been built up over 100 years in the case of growth of government.
01:51:41.000I mean, like, you can promise it, but now you're not gonna do it because you were full of crap when you said it, and now you're not gonna do it.
01:51:47.000And the gridlock is there, and it's hard to change things.
01:51:50.000You know, it takes a tremendous effort of will and electoral power to actually change things in a big way.
01:51:55.000So this idea, we'll elect Trump, and Trump would say, it's all gonna be so easy.
01:52:16.000And that is the idea that, you know, in regular life, when you have kids, I have kids, when your kid is angry, the first thing you have to teach your kid is maybe you're wrong to be angry sometimes.
01:52:39.000Okay, well, I'm angry too about things, but are they angry about the right things?
01:52:43.000And Trump would say, you're right to be angry because you've lost your job in Podunk, Ohio, because it's being stolen by the Chinese or by the Mexicans or something.
01:52:51.000And it's like, well, is that factually true or are you just...
01:53:15.000No one in the United States cares about you, wants to stop you, wants to throw obstacles up in your own way.
01:53:21.000I'm not sure you can win an election on the basis of go live your own life, even though everyone keeps claiming they want to live their own life.
01:53:28.000I think most people don't want to live their own life.
01:53:29.000They want a politician to tell them that all of their complaints about life being unfair are justified, and the politician's going to solve all that.
01:53:35.000We don't want people who stay out of our way.
01:53:43.000Well, there's certainly a lot of that when you're talking to adults because you're dealing with people that have the momentum of all their failures in their life and all the different things that are not going right.
01:53:51.000And then here they are at this moment today, right now.
01:53:55.000And they want to figure out why and why they're not on track and how to get on track.
01:54:01.000And the easiest way is to point the finger or blame someone else.
01:54:14.000But the reality is there's a tremendous amount of psychological factors that go into why someone does or does not succeed and to placate them or to play on those psychological factors as not being their own fault.
01:54:32.000It's very tempting because it works with people.
01:54:52.000Maybe some of that's true, but you have to show me why it's true.
01:54:55.000Did you lose your job because of China, or did you lose your job because you're in an industry that is being crowded out because of technological change and because your union struck and created wages too high to be globally competitive?
01:55:09.000Let's look at the actual logic here, and then how can we change it?
01:55:13.000Is it something we have to do, or is it a matter of you need to broaden your skill set?
01:55:17.000You see a lot of people now who are stuck in the mindset of 30 years ago that you're going to work a job and stay there for 20 years, and then you're going to leave with a gold watch.
01:55:25.000That's not the way the job market works anymore.
01:55:27.000If you're entering the job market right now as a college student, you can expect that in the next 10 years you'll probably work four jobs.
01:55:33.000The turnover is too great, and you have to be constantly increasing your skill set.
01:55:36.000Also, with every new innovation, there's businesses that branch out and become new, and then there's also businesses that die, and there's no bringing them back.
01:55:47.000You're not going to bring back the printing press.
01:56:09.000Because there's a tremendous amount of people that that's what they do for a living.
01:56:13.000But it's going to be a lot more efficient when it's not people.
01:56:16.000And, you know, this is the great fallacy that people have been trying to fight since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, is this idea, okay, well, the new technology is going to kill jobs, and then no one will ever work again.
01:56:26.000So we've had the same unemployment rate in this country for the last hundred years, and the technology is a little bit better.
01:56:31.000Teamsters convince Congress to block driverless trucks.
01:56:46.000You're artificially raising the prices of all the goods that now have to be brought in by the Teamsters, and now it's more expensive, so it's more money out of your pocket and my pocket.
01:57:04.000So that's one of the issues, is that with a lot of the...
01:57:07.000So the automated trucks, basically, in order for them to work, you need dedicated lanes.
01:57:11.000Because otherwise, human error is such that if there's a Google car on the road, and you're a bad driver, the Google car is probably going to get in a crash, or might be more likely to get in a crash than if it were human driving.
01:57:22.000Have you ever seen people freak out those Tesla cars?
01:57:25.000Have you ever seen what they could do to them?
01:57:49.000It's sort of like how there's a lot of fuel-efficient lighter cars on the road, but they're a lot more dangerous than the heavier cars, because the heavier cars, the clunkers, are still around from 1970, and they're tanks.
01:58:00.000How do you feel about universal basic income?
01:58:03.000Because that's a subject that comes up a lot lately.
01:58:05.000When Elon Musk is talking about these driverless cars, one of the things he's saying is that one thing that we're going to need is universal basic income.
01:58:14.000He said we're going to have to figure out some way to feed all these people that are going to get taken out of the job market because their jobs have become irrelevant.
01:58:22.000So I think that universal basic income is for when the technology gets so good that there legitimately are no jobs.
01:58:28.000So if you have a machine that can make everything basically for free, and then there's a bunch of people who you don't need anymore to do work, then you can talk about a universal basic income because there's no scarcity.
01:58:37.000Scarcity is what creates a need for labor.
01:58:39.000So if there's scarcity in any industry, then there's going to be a need for labor.
01:58:43.000There's going to be a need for new labor.
01:58:44.000People are going to still have to work on these trucks and deal with technology.
01:58:48.000And the computer industry didn't destroy jobs all over the United States when typewriters went out.
01:59:08.000But for jobs that are single-task jobs, a lot more of those are going to be technologically driven.
01:59:14.000And so people are going to have to, you know, work the right side of their brain a little bit.
01:59:16.000We're going to have to train people in a different way.
01:59:18.000But my perspective on universal basic income is when you have a 4% unemployment rate, it's very difficult to say you need a universal basic income.
01:59:25.000It's, again, 96% of people in the labor market who can work are working.
01:59:41.000Like the fastest growing government program in America is the disability program, where people declare themselves disabled so that they can get government pensions, basically.
01:59:49.000Once you have a universal basic income, is there an incentive to work?
01:59:52.000And also, I'm not sure that you've solved a lot of people's problems.
01:59:55.000Like people still need something to do with their day.
01:59:58.000How many 60-year-olds do you see who retire and they're dead within three years?
02:00:01.000The utopian idea is that somehow or another you're going to open up these people's inherent creativity and they'll find something they actually enjoy.
02:00:20.000Again, I hope I never retire because I just know too many people who retire and they're, oh, I'm going to retire and I'm going to golf and I'm going to paint.
02:00:31.000Well, people enjoy doing things and feeling like they're valuable.
02:00:35.000And I don't know if that necessarily has to be a job, but it's a very clear, definitive test of whether or not you're valuable.
02:00:42.000If somebody gives you money, and you get that money, and you're like, look, I'm valuable, I'm doing something, I'm contributing, I've got a check for my week's worth.
02:01:26.000I mean, I like what I'm doing in the sense that I get to work on what people believe, which I think is sort of the root of politics.
02:01:33.000I'm not sure implementing is the same thing.
02:01:35.000As I said, I'm not sure that the president can get...
02:01:38.000Like, I'm more focused on getting people to think in the terms that I'd like them to think, you know, about limited government and you taking control of your own life.
02:01:46.000And I might be able to do more good We're promulgating that message using a growing medium.
02:02:01.000As that crowd continues to grow, it's actually harder for me to say I want to jump into politics, not easier, I think.
02:02:06.000The limited government thing to me has always been a fascinating subject because the people that don't want limited government, that is the utopian ideal in my mind, that somehow or another the government's going to be effective if you give them more money.
02:02:19.000I had an argument with a friend where he wanted...
02:02:22.000People to be taxed more because he felt like that money could be distributed to people and you would get more funding for the arts was one of his arguments.
02:02:33.000But my thought was like, first of all, the arts, when people like them, they pay for them.
02:02:40.000And funding for the arts means you're going to have fucking LACMA. You go to the LA County Museum of Art and you have a fucking box on the ground that someone's calling a piece of art.
02:02:48.000Did you see that guy, I think he went to, it was either in San Francisco or LACMA where he went there and he took off his glasses and he just put them on the floor and then he stood next to them going, you know, kind of standing there and kind of stroking his chin.
02:02:58.000Seeing there were 30 people all around him staring at the glasses on the floor.
02:03:16.000And it's also stoking those fires of pretension and making something that's not legitimately creative, making it celebrated because you don't really have the ability to create something that's legitimately creative.
02:03:28.000Yeah, I was pointing this out today with regard to...
02:03:30.000It's funny how a lot of people who want bigger government, they embrace states that start to grow the government, and then when things go to shit, they're like nowhere to be found.
02:03:37.000So Venezuela is the most obvious example, right?
02:03:39.000Venezuela has turned from what was the richest country in South America and had the best oil reserves of anywhere in the Western Hemisphere, basically.
02:03:47.000They've turned it into just a garbage heap.
02:03:49.000I have a friend named Nami Horwitz who went down there, did some documentary stuff down there.
02:03:53.000And he was, I think his cameraman got shot.
02:03:55.000He was watching people like literally shooting dogs in the streets for food.
02:03:59.000And this is, I mean, Caracas is the most violent city in the Western Hemisphere now.
02:04:03.000And all of this is because Hugo Chavez was a piece of garbage who centralized all power to himself, redistributed the wealth to all of his friends and cronies, and then supposedly uplifted the poor, except that now everyone is poor.
02:04:21.000So on my show today, I played like Sean Penn and Jesse Jackson and that freak Jeremy Corbyn, who's the head of the Labor Party in Great Britain, and they're all just praising Chavez, right?
02:05:50.000Normal socialism is the state owns the whole thing, but democratic socialism is there's private industry, but only to a certain point, and then we tell people no, no more.
02:05:57.000But then you find out about Bernie and his wife, and his wife's idea was to buy up a bunch of land and expand the college, and then the fucking college went under, and now they're being sued and investigated.
02:07:11.000Like, what would you propose for the United States?
02:07:13.000Like, the United States, obviously, what Trump wants to do is reinvigorate manufacturing, make things in America again, bring back the labor force, take away the jobs that are going overseas and other countries in South America.
02:07:28.000So I think that that's a bunch of slogans from him, and I don't think it means anything.
02:07:31.000So, number one, I don't think a manufacturing job is more important than a tech job.
02:07:36.000A job is a job, and in industries that are thriving, you actually need more jobs.
02:07:40.000And in industries that are not doing as well, if the jobs disappear, that's just the wages of a global economy.
02:07:46.000And I know it sounds harsh to people who are in those industries, but it's not a referendum on you or your value.
02:07:50.000It's just saying that certain industries over time always are outsourced.
02:07:53.000Like, we used to make T-shirts in the United States.
02:08:09.000But since I don't care, right, since I'm not a politician, my view is that if you want a thriving economy, you relieve as much regulation as possible, you lower the taxes for everyone, personal and corporate, you attract as much foreign investment as possible, and you allow people to build businesses with as little risk as possible, And then you allow them to compete,
02:08:25.000and if they succeed, they succeed, and if they fail, they fail.
02:08:27.000And you get rid of tariffs as well, because I want cheap inputs for my products, and I want cheap products on the shelves at the store so I don't have to pay a bajillion dollars for a pair of shoes.
02:08:35.000So my view of this is that economics is an element of freedom.
02:08:58.000But the idea that, like today, Trump rolled out this new plan on immigration, and he says, I want to cut down on legal immigration, but the reason is because I want to raise wages of people in the United States.
02:09:09.000And I think, well, that's not productive, because what you're actually doing is you're restricting the supply of labor, artificially increasing the wages, which artificially increases prices, which means it's not competitive on a global scale, which means the companies outsource.
02:09:23.000It's the exact same thing as minimum wage.
02:09:26.000You create a minimum wage, you're artificially increasing wages, that increases prices, that makes it non-competitive, people outsource.
02:09:31.000So it actually achieves the opposite of what you're trying to achieve.
02:09:34.000All government intervention in the economy, save for interventions that are designed to prevent externalities, you know, things that I do that hurt you, all of those are unjustified in my view.
02:09:53.000Yeah, that's one of the most disturbing things about this administration is the cutting the funding for the Environmental Protection Agency and the changing of their standards, removing some of the funding for things like satellites that they're using to track the climate change and things along those lines.
02:11:34.000But in any case, as far as the satellites and global warming, listen, I think that...
02:11:41.000It's pretty clear that the climate is warming.
02:11:44.000I mean, the greenhouse gas effect is a thing.
02:11:46.000The question to me is less whether it's happening and more what are you going to do about it?
02:11:52.000Because even the left seems to have no real solutions as to what to do except for massively cutting economic growth.
02:11:59.000And it seems to me that if we're talking about an increase according to the IPCC of something like 7 degrees Fahrenheit over the course of the next century, then on average, right, not universally on average, then it seems to me that it's easier to just say that the climate changes over time and maybe cities that are on the coast are going to have to pull back a little bit over time.
02:13:07.000Tucker Carlson kept saying, okay, but you're talking about science, so tell me how much of an effect do human beings have on climate change, and what's the science?
02:13:27.000It doesn't even have to be an exact number, but give me a range, and then tell me, okay, what do we have to do, in your opinion, in order to stop the climate change where it stands, or if we can't do that in order to minimize it, what's the actual risk also?
02:13:39.000People keep giving these catastrophic scenarios where it looks like the day after tomorrow, and Dennis Quaid running into subways and shit.
02:13:45.000But one of the weirder ones, he said, was that we were supposed to have an ice age, now that's not going to happen.
02:13:52.000You know, Randall Carlson, who's been on my podcast a few times, and he's an expert in collisions, in asteroidal collisions, and one of the things he said is, like, he goes, global warming is not great.
02:14:02.000He goes, but it's way better than global cooling.
02:14:08.000The Little Ice Age was not a good thing for the world.
02:14:11.000I mean, the global warm period was actually a pretty good thing for the world.
02:14:14.000So, I mean, this is the other thing, is that there are costs and benefits to the climate changing, which it has throughout time.
02:14:20.000What are we willing to sacrifice in order to make that seven degrees into six degrees?
02:14:24.000Right, and just losing some coastline is not the real issue.
02:14:28.000Pollution is far more devastating than losing coastline.
02:14:32.000So I think that if you're going to worry about the emissions problem, worry about the sea absorption of emissions, like the toxification of the oceans.
02:14:40.000That seems to me to be a bigger problem than the climate changing over time.
02:15:12.000So if you really think that the climate is that bad, first of all, I'd like to ask Barbara Streisand, if she's that deeply concerned about global warming, why she doesn't sell her coastline estate.
02:15:20.000But it's like, am I going to lose a lot of sleep if a bunch of Hollywood stars lose, you know, five feet off their coastline because we didn't kill the industry of the United States and lose $4 trillion a year?
02:16:36.000That when Tucker Carlson was challenging him on it, he didn't have any data to support this argument.
02:16:42.000He just wanted to sort of, like, play word games and have this, you know, saying, well, you know, you guys on CNN, there was one time when they had some guy on who was saying exactly what we were saying, that the models, they have not been proven to be accurate,
02:16:58.000and that Al Gore's movie predicted that we'd be underwater in 2014. Like, didn't it?
02:17:04.000Yeah, I mean his predictions in that movie are not correct, yeah.
02:17:14.000Like, he's made a shitload of money off of giving these speeches and...
02:17:20.000The whole thing is very strange because it becomes this untouchable subject like what we're talking about before with transgender people or with many other subjects become you can't discuss them They're not even open to debate or scrutiny they they become locked down and when Tucker Carlson was pressing Bill Nye,
02:19:17.000We see some people that are just really good at, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, and you get them in the podcast, and after, like, Peter Schiff's a great example of that.
02:19:25.000After, like, 20 minutes, I'm like, you want a drink?
02:19:28.000We had a couple of glasses of clink, cheers, and we settled down, and then he settled into, like, a normal way of talking, but he's just so used to, like, force-feeding you facts and opinions and...
02:19:38.000It's such an ineffective way to communicate with those three heads and the one person who's the host, Megyn Kelly throwing a question, and then this person's talking over that person.
02:19:50.000It's such an ineffective way to communicate.
02:19:52.000Yeah, I mean, it's one of the things that I do like about long-form podcasts like this one or like mine.
02:19:57.000I like the ability to actually expand on a point.
02:20:00.000On TV, it's like, okay, you have 30 seconds of a point?
02:20:05.000It's the only place left that you can do this, unless you're making YouTube videos, and you know, Jordan Peterson is obviously finding out that that's a problem, but unless you're doing something along those lines where no one's there but you, and you get to expand and express yourself,
02:20:20.000there's no other form of conversation like podcasts where you're not getting interrupted by a commercial, you're just talking, and you know, as well as I know, that conversations sort of evolve and move and They, you know, when I get to know you better, I see how you're thinking better, and I kind of have more questions to ask,
02:20:37.000and you expand more, and you get to know a person for real, and that's just, those television shows are so, it's so divisive in that way.
02:20:46.000I mean, honestly, it's hard for me to watch cable television because of that.
02:20:48.000I don't feel like I'm getting tons of information that way.
02:20:50.000Well, CNN had nine fucking people on the other day.
02:20:53.000The panel on CNN, it's Hollywood Squares now.
02:20:56.000Yeah, Anderson Cooper's sitting there in the middle, and there's people, and then there's people that are just- It's like, ooh, I made a diagonal, cool.
02:21:02.000And they're interrupting each other and said, excuse me while I talk, you mind not interrupting me for a moment?
02:21:06.000Like, they're grandstanding and trying to have this point they think is going to be a zinger because they wrote it last night, and it's just like, ugh.
02:21:14.000The best you can hope for is that you have 30 seconds where you say something that goes viral.
02:21:25.000But it's like we were talking about before, that a lot of the people that have debated you, they're really fucking lazy.
02:21:33.000Like, they have this supposed passion for something, but when it comes to preparing for this sort of interaction, they're not really doing that.
02:21:42.000And I think that, you know, part of that is, there are people who are experts on particular topics who could, I'm sure, know more about their specialty than I do on a lot of topics.
02:21:52.000Like, if I were to discuss climate change with a person who was, like, an expert on climate change, I would not know as much as that person.
02:22:18.000I think there's a giant issue with plastic in the ocean.
02:22:21.000There's a giant issue with pollutants in our water system, in our air.
02:22:26.000And there's a lot of issues with the side effects of being a person in an industrialized civilization.
02:22:32.000We burn things, we create poisons, and we've got to figure out a way to be sustainable.
02:22:38.000I don't think there's any denying that by anybody.
02:22:40.000I think it's also worth noting the market makes these things better in many cases.
02:22:43.000I mean, the fact is that if you look at the areas where, for example, everyone is down on carbon-based fuels, okay, fair enough, but if you go to places that don't have carbon-based fuels, they're burning animal dung and wood.
02:22:53.000There's nothing worse for particulate than animal dung and wood.
02:22:57.000And if we did even better than this, we would get to nuclear power, which, unfortunately, a lot of people have banned because of unbased fears.
02:23:05.000Most of France's electricity is provided by nuclear power, and that's about as clean as it gets.
02:23:14.000Even in worst case scenario at Fukushima, I mean, if you're talking about global warming and environmental damage, the amount of environmental damage supposedly done by carbon emissions is a lot larger than Fukushima.
02:23:26.000Right, but the local damage is devastating.
02:23:29.000That's the disturbing thing that they don't have a way to stop that.
02:23:34.000They've figured out a way to put a wall of ice around the containment area and that didn't work.
02:23:39.000It seems so fucking science fiction-y.
02:24:15.000Well, you know, it was all during the 60s, 50s or the 60s, when they were involved in the rocket program.
02:24:23.000But the Rocketdyne stuff, my friend's dad is a scientist, and he was explaining to me the half-life of whatever was released in the atmosphere.
02:25:12.000But the thing is, like, I mean, how much more cancer are these people?
02:25:16.000This is from 2003. Yeah, sometimes the statistics on cancer are hard to correlate, because you'll have groupings that are sort of weird, and that's just because random statistical grouping happens.
02:25:27.000So how much of it is due to X factor or Y factor?
02:25:30.000If we knew that, then presumably the cancer rates would be going down a lot, and they haven't really in most cases.
02:25:35.000It's pretty rare you have like a lung cancer situation where smoking obviously causes lung cancer.
02:25:40.000Most cancers, like breast cancer, we have no idea why it happens.
02:25:43.000Also the valley itself, like anything that happens in the valley, like when you drive from like Thousand Oaks over the hill and you look down at the valley and you're like, Jesus, that can't be good.
02:26:23.000Again, I wonder how much of the car emission standards...
02:26:26.000There's actually a pretty thriving debate in the libertarian community, particularly, about whether CAFE standards are what drove greater fuel efficiency or whether it was the price of gas that drove greater fuel efficiency.
02:26:36.000And as the price of gas has risen and fallen, you see people change their buying habits.
02:26:40.000In the 90s, everybody bought an SUV, and then the prices went up and everybody bought a Prius.
02:26:45.000Well, the Prius thing is interesting too, particularly the Tesla thing, because then you look at the environmental disasters of creating these batteries.
02:26:56.000Like, there's some weird gray area too.
02:26:58.000It's pretty complex, and I think that...
02:27:01.000The one thing we know is that there are millions of people all over the world for all of human history who've been living in absolute penury and misery.
02:27:06.000And we now support 7 billion people on the planet.
02:27:09.000And the rate of global poverty has dropped by 50% in the last 30 years.
02:27:13.000A lot of that is technological change.
02:27:23.000Again, a little frustrating is that sometimes you see people on the environmental left who will say, well, this has to be done, or it's the end of the world.
02:27:29.000And it's like, well, how about those people in developing countries?
02:27:31.000How many of those people are you going to say have to live in poverty in order for this to happen?
02:27:34.000And then on the right, you'll see people say, well, no environmental regulations at all, just let it all hash out.
02:27:40.000And, you know, sometimes the market hashes it out, and sometimes the market doesn't hash it out.
02:27:45.000And so, you know, I think a little caution is warranted.
02:27:47.000I think that's a very reasonable point of view.
02:27:49.000And that's one of the things that I really like about your commentary.
02:27:52.000I know you're a right-leaning guy, but you're very reasonable.
02:27:56.000You make arguments that are sound and easy to trace.
02:28:20.000Yeah, well, you know, if they cancel it, we'll still go.
02:28:22.000Are you going to go on a bulletproof Popemobile?
02:28:24.000Yeah, hey, he wears a funny hat and so do I, so I think we can both...
02:28:30.000Yours is a little low profile, though.
02:28:32.000Yeah, we keep it on the DL around here.
02:28:34.000When you do show up at these places and you see the Antifa people and they're screaming and yelling and cheering, that's got to be a surreal thing.
02:28:43.000That it's just you and your thoughts and your opinion.
02:28:52.000You know, I'm not arrogant quite enough to think that a lot of those people know who I am.
02:28:56.000I think that what happens is that there's sort of a call that goes out from a select few saying, this KKK member's coming to campus, go stop him.
02:29:04.000And that's what happened to Cal State LA. Like, when I spoke there, there were actually a couple professors were telling their students that I was a closeted member of the KKK. Meanwhile, you show up wearing a yarmulke.
02:29:11.000I'm their favorite person, the KKK. I'm like a charter member.
02:29:20.000So David Duke accused me of being a far leftist.
02:29:24.000Black Lives Matter accused me of being a member of the KKK. And I was the number one recipient of anti-Semitism from the, according to the Anti-Defamation League, I was the number one recipient of Twitter anti-Semitism in the United States for journalists last year.
02:31:24.000Once Trump was elected, then it was like, okay, if he does good stuff, I'll praise him, and if he does bad stuff, I'll hit him, as I would any other president.
02:31:30.000So, I've been sort of, you know, calling balls and strikes with him, and some of the stuff like Gorsuch I love, and some of the stuff like Mikko Brzezinski's bloody face I'm not so hot on.
02:31:37.000But, yeah, so I think what led off was, it was a combination of three things.
02:32:42.000Bottom line is that there were a bunch of different excuses that Breitbart went through on that one.
02:32:47.000One was that she was never grabbed at all.
02:32:49.000The second was that it was a Secret Service guy.
02:32:51.000And then the third was that Trump thought she was a security threat and Corey Lewandowski had to protect Trump from this 90-pound soaking wet girl.
02:32:58.000And so once Breitbart did that, then the real question for me was not what a horrible thing had happened to her.
02:33:04.000It was much more about, as a journalistic entity, do you stand by your reporters or do you stand by the candidate who you support?
02:33:11.000And once Breitbart made clear to me that, like, I already knew they supported Trump.
02:33:16.000But I was kind of their token non-Trump guy.
02:33:19.000And once it became clear that they were willing to sort of sacrifice journalistic credibility on the altar of getting close to Trump, then I was out.
02:33:26.000And then it's no longer a journalistic outlet.
02:33:38.000So I won't say that Breitbart directed it at me, because I don't think they did, but I think that there are a lot of people who follow Breitbart and Milo Yiannopoulos, and they were pissed at me, and they'd seen me as an ally, and now they saw me as an enemy, and this kind of thing.
02:33:52.000Comes a fun little war for them, right?
02:33:55.000Oh yeah, I mean, people enjoyed it, obviously.
02:33:57.000That's a weird thing about the online hate is how much people enjoy it.
02:34:05.000I mean, I've said this to a bunch of college students about, you know, the alt-right.
02:34:09.000First of all, I think it's important to mention, a lot of people who say they're alt-right aren't actually alt-right.
02:34:13.000Just because you like a meme doesn't make you alt-right.
02:34:15.000But, like, there's a group of people who actually like Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor and the race-based identity politics of white supremacy.
02:34:22.000And those people are actually alt-right.
02:34:24.000When the alt-right is coming after you, then it's not a lot of fun.
02:34:29.000But there are a lot of young students who will retweet things from, like, things that are obviously nasty and are going to hurt them in their future career.
02:35:11.000That everybody was willing to take Donald Sterling's team away from him because he said something shitty to his girlfriend about Magic Johnson when there's no evidence that there's actual discrimination among clients at the Clippers.
02:35:22.000Again, if there are actual evidence of discrimination, then sure, boycott his team and do what the NBA has to do.
02:36:09.000The moment where he says, because there's a moment where he turns to Anderson Cooper and says, Anderson, have you ever fallen in love with a woman?
02:36:15.000And Anderson Cooper, who is, you know, super gay.
02:36:18.000Yeah, Anderson Cooper goes, he starts laughing, he goes, no, I've never had that experience.
02:36:22.000Well, Anderson, when you do fall in love with a woman, and he's so unaware, and it's like, I'm sorry, like, I can't consider this guy, like, he's a KKK threatening figure.
02:36:31.000Like, the guy can't even, like, find the toilet in the mornings.
02:36:34.000He's, like, stumbling over his ottoman, like, Dick Van Dyke.
02:36:36.000I had a bit I did about him defending him, where I was like, because if you look at what he actually said, everybody's like, he's a racist, he's a terrible person.
02:37:02.000She should just, like, leave well enough alone.
02:37:04.000You're getting a Ferrari out of the deal.
02:37:06.000No, I think that was, that whole thing was just like, it was our capacity to get ourselves outraged so we could show everybody how outraged we were.
02:37:13.000Well, the president of the NBA, whatever the fuck his name is.
02:37:51.000Instead, he was like self-righteous and Well, I mean, a lot of that, again, is I think that if you look at the NBA statistics and who watches the NBA, the outsized number of people who watch the NBA are black, and they spend an outsized amount of time watching it.
02:38:03.000And so, you know, Donald Sterling pissed off a lot of black folks with that, understandably.
02:38:07.000And so a lot of people were like, I think the NBA was like, we're not going to lose our fan base over it.
02:38:10.000It was a money decision, in other words.
02:38:12.000I don't think it was a values decision as much as money was.
02:38:14.000I agree with you 100%, but I don't think they had to make that decision that way.
02:38:17.000I think they could have suspended him.
02:38:18.000They could have divested him and put his kids or his wife in charge of the team.
02:38:22.000This idea that you're going to force him to sell his team.