The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion

00:00:00.000 We are about to watch, we're watching UFC Fight Pass.

00:00:04.000 We're watching it on my computer, so I can't pull up who is fighting, but this is a lady fighter.

00:00:12.000 A lady.

00:00:14.000 There's so many fighters in the UFC now, even the employees of the UFC don't know who the fuck is who.

00:00:21.000 It's tough.

00:00:22.000 It's getting crazy.

00:00:23.000 There's 500 signed fighters.

00:00:25.000 That far surpasses the Dunbar's number of 150. That's tough.

00:00:30.000 Especially when it's international like this.

00:00:31.000 In Poland, it's tough, man.

00:00:33.000 Remember back in the day when someone would try to get away with saying that they're a UFC fighter, and you'd say, fuck you!

00:00:42.000 Now, shit, you'd have to do some research.

00:00:44.000 Yeah, you can't just say, fuck you.

00:00:45.000 You gotta go, oh, okay.

00:00:46.000 You might be like, yeah, he might be.

00:00:48.000 He might be.

00:00:50.000 And then you find out, oh, this dude, yeah, he fought.

00:00:52.000 This dude's 6-0.

00:00:54.000 This dude's 6-0.

00:00:54.000 Even really good fighters.

00:00:56.000 How many people didn't know about Brendan Thatch until he fought Benson?

00:00:59.000 Like, Thatch is fucking legit!

00:01:03.000 His name sounded familiar.

00:01:05.000 I was like, Thatch, okay.

00:01:06.000 Dude, that guy's legit.

00:01:08.000 He's big in Denver.

00:01:09.000 He's big.

00:01:10.000 He's fucking good.

00:01:11.000 Oh, that's your boy.

00:01:12.000 Calderwood and Morose.

00:01:15.000 Is that her name?

00:01:16.000 Morose?

00:01:16.000 I don't know how to say it.

00:01:17.000 There's a lot of fighters from other countries now, too, man.

00:01:21.000 It's one of the cool things that we're seeing.

00:01:23.000 Jamie, give us a little volume so we can hear this, too.

00:01:25.000 So we can hear the fights.

00:01:26.000 No one's told us to not do that, so let's just keep doing that.

00:01:29.000 And I gotta take this fucking goofy lava lamp down.

00:01:32.000 I can't see shit.

00:01:33.000 It's a big-ass lava lamp.

00:01:39.000 I got it.

00:01:52.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:01:53.000 We're back.

00:01:54.000 Is Hardy doing the commentating on this?

00:01:56.000 It doesn't sound like Hardy.

00:01:58.000 Well, that's a play-by-play guy.

00:01:59.000 But I didn't hear him earlier.

00:02:01.000 Did you hear him?

00:02:01.000 I haven't heard him.

00:02:02.000 Jamie, we lost it.

00:02:03.000 What happened?

00:02:05.000 What the fuck happened?

00:02:06.000 Come on, Fight Path.

00:02:08.000 Oh, no.

00:02:11.000 We're fucked.

00:02:13.000 Hmm.

00:02:16.000 Let me try this again.

00:02:17.000 Well...

00:02:22.000 Take this off, because otherwise...

00:02:25.000 Take this off my desktop.

00:02:28.000 What are people seeing right now?

00:02:29.000 Just us?

00:02:31.000 Okay.

00:02:31.000 Damn, look at that picture.

00:02:33.000 Sucked if you're Anderson Silva.

00:02:34.000 I know.

00:02:35.000 That was one of the greatest knockouts of all time.

00:02:37.000 He could say no, no, that's when he missed.

00:02:39.000 Yeah, not because it was perfectly set up.

00:02:42.000 It was just crazy.

00:02:43.000 Like, as far as the result of a knockout, like...

00:02:47.000 The jolt it sends through your body?

00:02:49.000 Yeah.

00:02:49.000 When Weidman connected on Anderson, it was like one of the greatest moments.

00:02:52.000 Like, not great, like, I'm happy Anderson got knocked out, or none of that.

00:02:57.000 Just like, the burst of, what the fuck?

00:03:00.000 It's more like when Buster Douglas knocked out Tyson.

00:03:02.000 But crazier, because he came out of nowhere.

00:03:05.000 Like, Buster Douglas was whooping that ass.

00:03:07.000 Buster Douglas was hitting him with that long jab hook.

00:03:11.000 He was hitting him with that Larry Holmes-style jab and the hook behind it.

00:03:16.000 That was Buster Douglas' finest moment.

00:03:18.000 I just saw that fight again within the last six months, and goddamn, even though Buster Douglas looked...

00:03:26.000 Amazing.

00:03:26.000 He looked flawless.

00:03:28.000 He was on fire.

00:03:29.000 And Tyson didn't train for it or whatever.

00:03:32.000 But if you look at Tyson, even though he didn't train, he looked good.

00:03:35.000 He looked good in that fight.

00:03:38.000 His head movement was there.

00:03:39.000 He was throwing big shots.

00:03:40.000 He was really trying to knock out Buster Douglas with everything he had.

00:03:44.000 He was throwing great shit.

00:03:45.000 And he did drop him in the eighth round.

00:03:47.000 Yes, he did.

00:03:48.000 He finally dropped them.

00:03:49.000 Did you hear Tyson speaking before that?

00:03:51.000 He was saying how he was just doing work on those...

00:03:55.000 Where was it?

00:03:56.000 Is that right?

00:03:56.000 Tokyo?

00:03:57.000 Yeah.

00:03:57.000 He was just doing work on some Asian ladies.

00:04:00.000 He talked about that?

00:04:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:01.000 Doing work.

00:04:02.000 Really?

00:04:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:03.000 Like, what's work?

00:04:04.000 10?

00:04:05.000 More than 10?

00:04:06.000 You're Mike Tyson.

00:04:07.000 He probably never took time off.

00:04:09.000 All right, here we go.

00:04:09.000 Perfect timing.

00:04:10.000 We're back.

00:04:11.000 Fight Pass.

00:04:12.000 How dare you kick me off like that?

00:04:14.000 It looks like an Atari game.

00:04:15.000 I work for you fucking guys.

00:04:17.000 How dare you?

00:04:18.000 How dare you?

00:04:19.000 I wonder how many half Mike Tyson kids there are in Japan.

00:04:22.000 Probably 70. Okay, we got Joanne Calderwood and Myrna Moroz.

00:04:28.000 Here we go.

00:04:28.000 We're gonna hear it.

00:04:32.000 Damn, that bitch looks mean.

00:04:35.000 And I mean that with all due respect.

00:04:38.000 Five foot tall?

00:04:40.000 Oh no, that's five and O. Five and O, my man.

00:04:43.000 I'm like, shit!

00:04:47.000 And I say bitch with all due respect.

00:04:55.000 Damn, Scotland does not play games.

00:04:57.000 I bet this chick is tough as fuck.

00:04:59.000 Yeah.

00:05:00.000 She is good.

00:05:01.000 Joanne's about to whoop that ass.

00:05:02.000 She does look like she's paralyzed right there.

00:05:05.000 She looks terrified.

00:05:06.000 No, no, she looks terrified.

00:05:07.000 That's the Carla Esparza effect, right?

00:05:09.000 It's not real?

00:05:10.000 Because Carla just does this.

00:05:10.000 I don't know.

00:05:12.000 And then she goes out there and whoops ass.

00:05:14.000 Not that last fight, but yeah.

00:05:15.000 Not that last fight.

00:05:16.000 That last fight, the striking was so outmatched.

00:05:20.000 I think that chick is going to make, what was her name, Joanna?

00:05:26.000 There she is.

00:05:27.000 She's the Ronda Rousey at 115. With better striking.

00:05:31.000 She's going to make everybody look like Carla.

00:05:33.000 I bet they all look like Carla.

00:05:35.000 They're going to look lost.

00:05:35.000 I agree 100%.

00:05:37.000 They're not going to be able to take her down.

00:05:38.000 She gives the shit out of me.

00:05:39.000 They're not going to be able to take her down.

00:05:40.000 If Carla can't take her down, most fighters in that division are not going to be able to take her down.

00:05:44.000 Well, did you see her fight with Amanda Nunes?

00:05:47.000 It was a very close fight, and a lot of people actually thought that Nunes won the fight.

00:05:52.000 I think it was Nunes, right?

00:05:53.000 Was it Nunes?

00:05:55.000 I'm wrong, man.

00:05:56.000 She's a beast, though, man.

00:05:57.000 Oh, dude, she is wicked, man.

00:05:59.000 You see her weighing pick?

00:06:01.000 She's wicked.

00:06:01.000 She's looking like that raptor.

00:06:02.000 She is intense, man.

00:06:03.000 I would Google her, but I don't know how to say her name on Google.

00:06:06.000 I don't either.

00:06:07.000 I couldn't even spell it if you gave me a million dollars right now.

00:06:09.000 I'm gonna try.

00:06:10.000 You want her?

00:06:10.000 Man, Joanne got good striking.

00:06:13.000 She throws it some power.

00:06:14.000 I just tried J-Y-Z. You want a J-Y-Z? And let's see if they figure it out.

00:06:20.000 Dude, isn't it weird?

00:06:21.000 I can't do this while I'm not on my computer.

00:06:24.000 Girls fight like dudes?

00:06:26.000 I'm still not used to it.

00:06:28.000 How long did we think that girls couldn't throw punches?

00:06:30.000 We believe that as a society.

00:06:34.000 Girls can't throw punches.

00:06:36.000 But then you look at Kathy Long.

00:06:38.000 Holy shit.

00:06:39.000 Have you seen her highlight reel?

00:06:41.000 No.

00:06:42.000 She's the best American female kickboxer in the 80s and 90s.

00:06:46.000 Holy shit.

00:06:47.000 Old school.

00:06:48.000 Went old school with it.

00:06:49.000 YouTube search Kathy Long highlight reel.

00:06:52.000 Have you seen Holly Holm?

00:06:52.000 You've seen Holly Holm's highlights though?

00:06:54.000 You know what?

00:06:55.000 All that can stand down for a moment.

00:06:58.000 Have you guys seen Anne motherfucking Wolf?

00:07:01.000 No.

00:07:02.000 Okay, we should stop watching this fight immediately and watch how Ann Wolfe used to knock chicks out.

00:07:02.000 What's that?

00:07:07.000 Look at that arm bar.

00:07:08.000 Nice, beautiful arm bar.

00:07:09.000 Wow.

00:07:10.000 Beautiful arm bar.

00:07:11.000 What?

00:07:12.000 Damn, that was beautiful.

00:07:14.000 Little Ukrainian.

00:07:16.000 She's a huge underdog, man.

00:07:16.000 Ukrainian in the house.

00:07:18.000 That was beautiful.

00:07:19.000 Huge underdog.

00:07:22.000 I gotta see how that was all set up.

00:07:24.000 We were talking about Mike Tyson.

00:07:25.000 They'll show the replay for sure.

00:07:27.000 We were talking about just girls whooping ass.

00:07:29.000 Kathy Long, we were talking about.

00:07:30.000 No, we were just talking about Ann Wolfe.

00:07:36.000 Let's see this.

00:07:38.000 She pulled guard.

00:07:39.000 Damn, pulled guard.

00:07:40.000 Wow, that's beautiful.

00:07:41.000 I'm not mad at Joian's haircut.

00:07:43.000 Look at this.

00:07:44.000 Nice control.

00:07:45.000 She pulled guard right into an armbar.

00:07:47.000 Look at that.

00:07:48.000 She just can't get out of that.

00:07:49.000 That's crazy.

00:07:50.000 Control with her legs.

00:07:51.000 Yeah, great control.

00:07:52.000 Leg curls.

00:07:52.000 Look at those leg curls.

00:07:53.000 Damn.

00:07:54.000 That is legit.

00:07:58.000 You know, Eddie, there's still people that say that you shouldn't cross your feet, and I don't agree with that.

00:08:03.000 Crossing your feet with the arm bar thing, that's like, people are pretending, some people pretend it's just like crossing the feet when you have someone's back.

00:08:09.000 Well, it all depends.

00:08:10.000 If the guy's on their back and you're in spiderweb, if they're on their back, yeah, you cross your feet all the time, but if they're on top of you, it all depends on What's going on?

00:08:22.000 I mean, what's going on with the arm exactly?

00:08:24.000 And what's going on with the locking of the shoulder?

00:08:27.000 What angle?

00:08:28.000 Where is she putting all her weight?

00:08:32.000 This is Ann Wolfe.

00:08:32.000 Watch this.

00:08:34.000 She's the American?

00:08:36.000 She's the black chick.

00:08:37.000 Check this.

00:08:38.000 Just wait for some trauma.

00:08:42.000 Wait for some shit that's going to change your feeling about what would happen if a chick punched you.

00:08:47.000 You just gotta see this fucking KO. I think you'd be surprised.

00:08:50.000 Hold up, look at this.

00:08:52.000 Boom!

00:08:53.000 Oh, shit!

00:08:55.000 Dude, are you fucking shitting me?

00:08:58.000 Are you fucking shitting me?

00:09:00.000 She's like a little Mike Tyson.

00:09:00.000 Did she hit hard?

00:09:01.000 Dude, she lifted her in the air.

00:09:03.000 That was ridiculous.

00:09:04.000 Wow.

00:09:04.000 That girl went flying.

00:09:06.000 That girl, like, literally went flying.

00:09:06.000 God, Doug.

00:09:09.000 Ann Wolfkin.

00:09:10.000 Bang!

00:09:11.000 And she trains James Kirkland.

00:09:14.000 Who's a high-level guy.

00:09:15.000 I've seen her corner, yeah.

00:09:17.000 She's intense corner.

00:09:18.000 Let's see what she says, hold on.

00:09:22.000 I bet she does.

00:09:31.000 Great speech.

00:09:34.000 Powerful Dan Hardy.

00:09:36.000 Oh, I like Dan Hardy, man.

00:09:37.000 Love that dude.

00:09:38.000 He's the best.

00:09:38.000 Great guy.

00:09:41.000 He's good on the mic, too.

00:09:43.000 He's very good, very comfortable.

00:09:44.000 He's very smart.

00:09:47.000 Damn, her walkout gear just says, Fight Night.

00:09:50.000 Just fuck it, Fight Night.

00:09:51.000 Is that Reebok?

00:09:53.000 I don't know what that is.

00:09:54.000 There has to be a better campaign.

00:09:55.000 It says Reebok.

00:09:57.000 There has to be something better.

00:09:57.000 Fight Night?

00:09:58.000 Is that what they're calling it?

00:09:59.000 I hope not.

00:10:00.000 That better not be what they want people to buy.

00:10:02.000 I'm not wearing that.

00:10:04.000 I'm gonna fucking throw on a big brown on the back.

00:10:07.000 Maybe it's, oh, you know what it probably is?

00:10:10.000 It's probably what they're wearing on fight night.

00:10:13.000 Like, that's why, does that make sense?

00:10:15.000 I should probably ask somebody since I work for them.

00:10:16.000 Hold on.

00:10:17.000 Wow, that's beautiful.

00:10:18.000 Look at the control she has with her hands.

00:10:20.000 Boom.

00:10:22.000 No capitalization, a small gap before the closure.

00:10:26.000 She didn't capitalize on that.

00:10:28.000 For sure don't stand up and extend it.

00:10:30.000 For sure don't stand up and extend it.

00:10:32.000 She hung out in there.

00:10:33.000 She should have squashed her.

00:10:35.000 She hung out in there when there was this one brief moment where she could have pulled her arm out.

00:10:40.000 Damn, look at her.

00:10:41.000 She's talking shit.

00:10:42.000 Damn.

00:10:43.000 How do you say Joanna's last name?

00:10:44.000 Jura Dixon?

00:10:45.000 They're laughing at each other.

00:10:47.000 They can't talk shit.

00:10:48.000 Look, they're laughing.

00:10:50.000 Well, they know that that's where the money's at now.

00:10:52.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:10:53.000 Fuck you, bitch.

00:10:58.000 Damn powerful collared white shirt.

00:11:05.000 I think when you become champ, they should have a stylist for you right away.

00:11:05.000 Beautiful.

00:11:08.000 You can't dress like an asshole anymore.

00:11:10.000 Well, what about Roy Nelson?

00:11:12.000 If Roy Nelson became champ and decided to wear...

00:11:14.000 Give him a stylist!

00:11:15.000 See ya!

00:11:15.000 Oh, that mullet?

00:11:16.000 No way!

00:11:17.000 No way!

00:11:17.000 See ya!

00:11:18.000 You can't do that!

00:11:19.000 GQ Roy Nelson would be sick!

00:11:21.000 Oh, you're so wrong.

00:11:22.000 I think for women's MMA, they should be allowed to pull hair.

00:11:24.000 And that'd be part of the game.

00:11:26.000 Oh my god, that's so dark, Eddie.

00:11:28.000 That's so dark!

00:11:29.000 How cool would that be?

00:11:30.000 Come on, how cool would that be?

00:11:32.000 That's too much, bro.

00:11:32.000 That's too much, man.

00:11:33.000 Not cool at all.

00:11:33.000 Not cool.

00:11:34.000 Why?

00:11:34.000 Can you imagine the technique?

00:11:37.000 Horrible.

00:11:38.000 Dude, there would be all these different chokes you could do with the hair.

00:11:41.000 Dude, I hear you, man, but this bugs me.

00:11:41.000 That's a good point.

00:11:43.000 Here's Jinjecek taking out Esparza.

00:11:46.000 Dude, she's so lethal on the feet.

00:11:47.000 That's some real, legit, six-time world Muay Thai champion right now.

00:11:51.000 Great technique.

00:11:51.000 Look at that beautiful elbow.

00:11:52.000 This is a goddamn firing gallery.

00:11:55.000 It's like she was just having sparring practice with pads that don't hit back.

00:12:01.000 This is what it's like.

00:12:02.000 She was hitting the mitts with some light defense work.

00:12:05.000 Right.

00:12:06.000 Goddamn she's good.

00:12:08.000 Dude, the technique that you see there, that is as clean as it gets when it comes to striking in MMA. That's a scary girlfriend to have right there.

00:12:17.000 She could fuck you up.

00:12:18.000 If you're not on your shit, if you slip and you're kind of drunk, she'll fuck you up.

00:12:23.000 I'll tell you what, though.

00:12:24.000 No girlfriend of mine is walking out of the house with that business polo on.

00:12:29.000 Brendan, if you guys were in a real fight, you'd win if she was your girlfriend.

00:12:35.000 Brendan.

00:12:35.000 I would snap her down to her.

00:12:37.000 You would fuck her up.

00:12:37.000 No, no, you would.

00:12:38.000 But if you're kind of drunk, you're in your underwear, one, the lights dim, she'll rattle off a combination, she'll fuck you up.

00:12:47.000 That's the thing, though.

00:12:48.000 I think a girl like that needs a boyfriend like him.

00:12:52.000 She needs a giant gorilla that she can't just kick in the head.

00:12:57.000 A savage.

00:12:59.000 Multi-billionaire dude who's like a little old man that she beats up and he loves it.

00:13:05.000 She only rides him.

00:13:07.000 You fucking little man.

00:13:09.000 I keep your life alive.

00:13:12.000 He pays to have her beat her up.

00:13:13.000 Beat him up.

00:13:14.000 Dude, a woman like that, that takes a lot of man.

00:13:19.000 You need an alpha male.

00:13:20.000 You need a Cro Cop.

00:13:20.000 Or you need a complete opposite.

00:13:21.000 Cro Cop, right?

00:13:22.000 Yeah, Cro Cop would work.

00:13:23.000 She's not hot enough for Cro Cop, let's be honest.

00:13:25.000 Well, how dare you?

00:13:27.000 How dare you?

00:13:27.000 I think she's beautiful.

00:13:28.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:13:29.000 I think she's beautiful.

00:13:30.000 She's beautiful.

00:13:31.000 For Cro Cop, though, this motherfucker runs Croatia.

00:13:35.000 Can you imagine the damage he's doing?

00:13:39.000 Jesus Christ.

00:13:40.000 Listen, he's married.

00:13:41.000 He's got a family.

00:13:42.000 Before that, though.

00:13:44.000 When he was single.

00:13:45.000 I'm trying to Google this woman's name.

00:13:46.000 I've never had a harder time Googling a woman's name.

00:13:49.000 I basically know how to say it, but to spell it, I really need to learn how to spell it.

00:13:56.000 It's preposterous that they require that of you, though, I think.

00:14:00.000 Yeah, I know, man.

00:14:02.000 I'm trying to figure out.

00:14:03.000 Click on it and see.

00:14:04.000 What was her last fight?

00:14:05.000 Go to her Wikipedia.

00:14:07.000 Besides Esparza?

00:14:08.000 Before Carla Esparza.

00:14:09.000 I want to say it was Nunez, but I'm doing this totally off of memory.

00:14:12.000 And I might...

00:14:15.000 Oh, that's who it was.

00:14:16.000 Split decision.

00:14:17.000 That's who it was.

00:14:18.000 It was Claudia Gedalia.

00:14:20.000 Okay, my apologies to Amanda Nunes.

00:14:21.000 Boy, those women names are tough.

00:14:23.000 Because Amanda Nunes, I think, is a 135. Yeah, she is.

00:14:27.000 She is.

00:14:28.000 Can we see the Kathy Long highlight reel on that?

00:14:32.000 Is that possible?

00:14:33.000 That Claudia Gedalia fight, that was a really fucking close fight.

00:14:38.000 A really close fight.

00:14:39.000 Sometimes it's matchups, man.

00:14:40.000 Styles.

00:14:41.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:14:42.000 She's going to be champ for a while.

00:14:43.000 Well, Klaja is very good, dude.

00:14:45.000 She's very good.

00:14:47.000 I mean, that was a really good fight between those two.

00:14:50.000 I think there's a lot of action in this division.

00:14:53.000 I really think that Johanna is above and beyond the rest of them when it comes to striking.

00:15:00.000 But there's some really good grapplers in that division.

00:15:02.000 And if they get a hold of her, who the fuck knows what happens?

00:15:05.000 But if Carla can't take her down, that means every fighter is going to have a hard time.

00:15:10.000 No one's going to take her down easily.

00:15:12.000 But a striker with really good wrestling might be able to pull it off.

00:15:17.000 The problem with Carla was that the gap in the striking was so goddamn enormous.

00:15:21.000 And the length, the reach was trouble.

00:15:23.000 It's just an enormous gap in the striking.

00:15:25.000 But she still did get inside, and she got deep, and that's beyond the striking, and she couldn't finish it.

00:15:32.000 It's true.

00:15:33.000 She could have gotten tagged before that, though.

00:15:35.000 She definitely did.

00:15:36.000 She could have been diminished by that.

00:15:38.000 There's a lot of possibilities there.

00:15:39.000 If you saw the two of them, I would have to go back and watch it again.

00:15:43.000 But if you watch, anytime you see someone get tagged, there's a possibility that they're functioning in a diminished capacity, right?

00:15:51.000 Hell yeah.

00:15:52.000 Hell yeah.

00:15:52.000 We might try a brown fight.

00:15:54.000 I went from a legit jiu-jitsu guy to fucking two-stripe white belt.

00:15:59.000 I think he went back, mount, and I had no idea what was going on.

00:16:03.000 I thought I was fine, which is weird.

00:16:05.000 When you think about how good Joanna's hands are, she could have easily clipped Carla coming in, right?

00:16:10.000 For sure.

00:16:11.000 And then your memory, your mortar skills are slow.

00:16:15.000 You think you're moving at a good pace.

00:16:17.000 You're really not.

00:16:19.000 It's just a haze.

00:16:20.000 There's a haze.

00:16:21.000 The distance, you seem like you're alright.

00:16:23.000 You're really not.

00:16:25.000 Everything's slow.

00:16:26.000 It's trouble, man.

00:16:27.000 Goddamn, dude.

00:16:28.000 You just have some killer focus, not dazed.

00:16:31.000 Wanna be a fighter, huh?

00:16:33.000 Goddamn, dude.

00:16:36.000 Did you see the Jamie Varner shit?

00:16:38.000 The interviews Jamie Varner's been doing lately?

00:16:41.000 What's he talking about?

00:16:41.000 No.

00:16:42.000 Very interesting.

00:16:43.000 He's talking about how he thinks fighters should spar way less than they do.

00:16:46.000 He's like, what you need to be doing is working on drills, hitting pads, working out on strength and conditioning, you know, do your wrestling, your jiu-jitsu.

00:16:53.000 But he's like, hardcore sparring should be done once a week at most, and only when you're preparing for a fight.

00:16:59.000 I agree 100%.

00:17:00.000 He said maybe you could even stretch it out to even more than once a week.

00:17:03.000 Like once every two weeks.

00:17:04.000 He's like, what's really important is that you take care of your brain and you make sure you don't spar with bigger guys.

00:17:10.000 He was saying that he made mistakes by sparring with...

00:17:14.000 He's sparring with...

00:17:17.000 Who was it?

00:17:18.000 He's with Bader and those guys?

00:17:20.000 I know he sparred with Bader.

00:17:20.000 He's with Bader.

00:17:21.000 I think he sparred with Buzinski, who's a little bit larger than him, too.

00:17:24.000 Yeah, all those guys are big.

00:17:25.000 CB Dalloway, who's larger than him, too.

00:17:28.000 And Bader's big, dude.

00:17:29.000 He's a big boy.

00:17:30.000 Bader's a thick dude.

00:17:31.000 Big, thick motherfucker who throws haymakers.

00:17:33.000 Power.

00:17:33.000 He's a hard puncher.

00:17:35.000 I agree 100% with Jamie.

00:17:36.000 Jamie Varner's a 155er, and he's fighting a guy that literally fights in a division 50 pounds heavier than him.

00:17:42.000 And he's sparring with that guy.

00:17:43.000 I mean, that's pretty crazy.

00:17:45.000 Bader's a 205. You know, that's bananas.

00:17:48.000 You think we'll ever see Bader striking like Conor McGregor?

00:17:52.000 Well, you know what I mean?

00:17:53.000 What I mean by that is by...

00:17:57.000 Just utilizing every possible strike.

00:18:00.000 He would have to change a lot about the way he moves.

00:18:03.000 You know, I think Bader has gotten a lot better in his striking.

00:18:06.000 Like, no doubt.

00:18:07.000 Like, the Feijão fight is a perfect example of that.

00:18:09.000 Like, Feijão is a legit striker.

00:18:11.000 If you watch his fight with King Mo in Strikeforce, you see what kind of striking Feijão has when he's on point.

00:18:16.000 Even Bader Glover's, he showed good striking.

00:18:19.000 He clipped him with the right hand.

00:18:20.000 Yes, he did.

00:18:21.000 He did.

00:18:22.000 Glover's a monster.

00:18:23.000 Yeah, he heard him before he got caught when he was trying to close the deal.

00:18:26.000 That's totally true.

00:18:28.000 He's a really good...

00:18:29.000 He's getting much better, too.

00:18:30.000 He works hard.

00:18:31.000 You can totally tell.

00:18:32.000 You see that...

00:18:32.000 There's a video going around, like a highlight of Capoeira MMA. Have we seen this?

00:18:38.000 No.

00:18:38.000 No, they're doing spinning kicks and shit.

00:18:40.000 Yeah, dude.

00:18:41.000 It's...

00:18:41.000 I don't know if it's fake.

00:18:42.000 It looks real.

00:18:43.000 It looks real.

00:18:44.000 Well, capoeira is just like wheel kicks.

00:18:47.000 Yeah, super athletic.

00:18:48.000 It's capoeira guys against capoeira guys, and that's what they're throwing.

00:18:50.000 They're just throwing massive double spinning wheel kicks.

00:18:54.000 They're doing all that shit.

00:18:55.000 And jiu-jitsu.

00:18:56.000 They go on the ground and choke each other out.

00:18:58.000 What I was going to say about Ryan Bader and that, like when you're saying, do you think you'll ever have a full arsenal, is the way he moves.

00:19:04.000 There's something wrong with the way.

00:19:06.000 You think wrong.

00:19:07.000 See, I don't think wrong is the right word.

00:19:08.000 Not wrong.

00:19:09.000 I don't think it's in his wheelhouse.

00:19:10.000 I mean, for kicking.

00:19:11.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:19:12.000 Like, I'm not even wrong with the way he moves, because obviously the way he moves is effective, but it's almost like his legs, like he keeps them close together.

00:19:21.000 If you watch like a Machida, or you watch like a Brandon Thatch, like that real strong, traditional karate type background, which is the one that allows you to get away with everything.

00:19:30.000 Thatch is a karate type guy?

00:19:31.000 Yeah.

00:19:32.000 He throws a lot of wheel kicks.

00:19:33.000 He can throw everything.

00:19:34.000 Throw everything.

00:19:35.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:19:35.000 He's like Anthony Pettis at 170. You would have to have a wider stance.

00:19:38.000 So it's not something wrong with it.

00:19:40.000 It's something wrong if you wanted to throw all those kicks and all that other crazy shit.

00:19:43.000 You look at Anderson, there's a wider stance going on.

00:19:46.000 If you look at Taekwondo guys, there's a wide stance going on.

00:19:48.000 I think that's the only way you get to throw those kicks.

00:19:50.000 Like with Muay Thai, you can stand way closer.

00:19:52.000 Because with Muay Thai, you're throwing round kicks mostly and occasionally teeps.

00:19:56.000 But when you want to go off that back leg with anything where you're spinning, you want to have a little bit more space.

00:20:00.000 And I think if he wanted to have like Conor McGregor style, he would probably have to stand like McGregor.

00:20:05.000 Super wide.

00:20:07.000 Super wide.

00:20:28.000 Only the super high-level guys have been able to get past that.

00:20:32.000 The guys like Nicky Holtzkin, he's the guy who gets past it.

00:20:36.000 Think about Wonderboy.

00:20:38.000 He's tough to hit, man, in the UFC. He's a phenomenal point scorer.

00:20:42.000 Joseph Vattellini.

00:20:43.000 He's a perfect example of a guy who gets past Raymond Daniels.

00:20:45.000 And he's the champ because he just kicked his legs out from under him.

00:20:48.000 He just used traditional, solid Muay Thai, hands up, kickboxing style, blocked, threw a lot of fucking leg kicks, took him out and then took him out with a head kick.

00:20:57.000 But everybody else, when Daniels fights a guy who can't deal with that kind of hopping in and out shit, it's lethal.

00:21:02.000 It's lethal.

00:21:03.000 So to have a guy like a Conor McGregor style, or a guy like Lyoto or Thatch, a guy who throws those wild kicks, if Bader wanted to do that, he would definitely have to widen his stance.

00:21:14.000 I don't think Bader's ever going to do that.

00:21:15.000 I also think the style you're describing is in those guys, Thatch, Connor, Machida, they're phenomenal athletes.

00:21:23.000 Phenomenal.

00:21:24.000 And that might not be in Bader's wheelhouse.

00:21:26.000 You don't think Bader is?

00:21:26.000 You don't think Bader's a phenomenal athlete?

00:21:28.000 Compared to Machida?

00:21:30.000 I don't think he's as skilled in karate or in stand-up as Machida is.

00:21:35.000 I mean, Machida's a sly, professional, high-level fighter.

00:21:39.000 Explosive, quick, endurance.

00:21:41.000 Machida caught him.

00:21:41.000 Yeah, well, Machida's pretty special.

00:21:43.000 He's pretty special.

00:21:44.000 Fuck yeah, he's special.

00:21:45.000 All those guys are that we talked about.

00:21:47.000 Sometimes I think certain styles aren't in guys' wheels.

00:21:49.000 Does that make sense?

00:21:50.000 Like, Bob Sapp isn't gonna fucking adapt to the Taekwondo.

00:21:53.000 It's true.

00:21:53.000 Ever.

00:21:54.000 Ever.

00:21:55.000 There's just certain guys are made for it.

00:21:56.000 Too much mass there, right?

00:21:58.000 Well, Bader's a massive dude, and big.

00:22:01.000 But he could do it, because Feijal can do those kind of kicks.

00:22:03.000 Feijal can throw wheel kicks.

00:22:04.000 He's a thick fucking dude, too.

00:22:07.000 Melvin Manhoof.

00:22:07.000 Who's thicker than that fucking guy?

00:22:09.000 He's explosive and athletic.

00:22:11.000 But you know what?

00:22:12.000 Melvin, you don't see throw wheel kicks either.

00:22:13.000 You see them mostly with straight Muay Thai.

00:22:15.000 All straight Muay Thai.

00:22:16.000 Leg kicks like a motherfucker.

00:22:17.000 Who the fuck is?

00:22:18.000 Some guys just don't like throwing them.

00:22:18.000 It's different, man.

00:22:20.000 I agree, some guys don't.

00:22:20.000 That's true too.

00:22:22.000 Because they're no good at them because they don't practice them.

00:22:26.000 100% I'm a victim of that.

00:22:27.000 I'm just saying certain guys, like a guy like Bader who comes from a wrestling background, the chances of him adapting, that's not good.

00:22:34.000 And you have to have the athletic ability to pick it up.

00:22:36.000 Well, I don't think Conor came from that background entirely.

00:22:39.000 You know, I think he's kind of picked that kicking style up more.

00:22:42.000 I think he started more as a boxer.

00:22:45.000 Boxer, yeah.

00:22:46.000 But also taekwondo, karate.

00:22:48.000 Right.

00:22:49.000 He spends a lot of time with a homie in Iceland.

00:22:53.000 Gunnar Nelson.

00:22:53.000 You know Machida?

00:22:54.000 Wicked.

00:22:55.000 Wicked.

00:22:56.000 You know Machida single-handedly?

00:22:56.000 Wicked.

00:22:57.000 Everything great.

00:22:58.000 Brought back karate.

00:22:59.000 I mean, Machida, you can't say shit about karate.

00:23:02.000 Look at Machida.

00:23:03.000 You can't say shit about karate.

00:23:04.000 You can't say shit.

00:23:05.000 You know what, man?

00:23:06.000 But eventually we're going to have a capoeira guy in there.

00:23:06.000 This is what I believe.

00:23:08.000 Machida's the exception.

00:23:09.000 Machida's the exception.

00:23:10.000 There's going to be a guy in the UFC who comes out and is throwing all them crazy capoeira kicks.

00:23:15.000 How come that hasn't happened already?

00:23:16.000 It has, though.

00:23:17.000 Cesar Mutante is a capoeira guy.

00:23:19.000 That's his background.

00:23:21.000 He really did start off with that.

00:23:23.000 He's a beast.

00:23:24.000 Super good athlete.

00:23:26.000 There's a lot of guys who've trained in capoeira, who've done the UFC, I'm sure, but who actually go out there and stand like those capoeira guys and move like that.

00:23:34.000 That would throw a guy off.

00:23:36.000 What do you guys think about Daniel Cormier and Bader?

00:23:42.000 I would have to go with Cormier.

00:23:44.000 That's gonna be a great fight, man.

00:23:46.000 That's gonna be a great fight, man.

00:23:48.000 I love Beta.

00:23:49.000 I love DC. DC helps me out a lot.

00:23:51.000 They're both really good dudes.

00:23:53.000 They're good for the sport, man.

00:23:56.000 That's a good way of describing it.

00:23:57.000 Yeah, they're great for the sport.

00:23:58.000 DC's from New Orleans.

00:24:00.000 It's in his hometown.

00:24:01.000 Dude, you look at DC's track record, there's not too many dudes beating him.

00:24:05.000 There's one guy on this earth who can beat him, it's Jon Jones.

00:24:08.000 I don't think he will ever beat Jon Jones.

00:24:10.000 Yo, how good is Jon Jones?

00:24:12.000 What the fuck?

00:24:13.000 It's frustrating.

00:24:15.000 We're watching greatness, man.

00:24:17.000 I don't think we'll ever get someone as good as Jon Jones.

00:24:19.000 I just don't.

00:24:20.000 You might be right, man.

00:24:21.000 That motherfucker is bad.

00:24:22.000 He's something special.

00:24:23.000 Oh, and guess what?

00:24:24.000 Now he's training full-time, moved to Albuquerque.

00:24:27.000 Have you seen his Instagram?

00:24:28.000 Yes.

00:24:28.000 His Instagram where it's just this balling house in Albuquerque?

00:24:31.000 That means there's no distractions.

00:24:31.000 Yeah.

00:24:33.000 He's training full-time.

00:24:34.000 Oh, you thought he was good before?

00:24:35.000 Good.

00:24:36.000 Enjoy that.

00:24:36.000 Beautiful.

00:24:38.000 Beautiful.

00:24:39.000 You can say the same thing about Anthony Johnson.

00:24:41.000 Yeah, you can.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, you can.

00:24:43.000 You know what?

00:24:44.000 We've seen Anthony lose, though.

00:24:45.000 We have seen Anthony lose.

00:24:46.000 We've seen issues in Anthony's game.

00:24:48.000 We have.

00:24:49.000 We've never seen an issue in John Jones' game, ever.

00:24:51.000 That's true.

00:24:52.000 Well, you know what?

00:24:52.000 We have that one aspect of Anthony Johnson's game that you can't neglect when you talk about him.

00:24:58.000 That's the fucking extreme weight cut that he used to make.

00:25:00.000 He made the most extreme way cut in the sport ever.

00:25:03.000 We used to all see him walking around in hotels in between fights and he would be e-fucking-normous.

00:25:10.000 He would be like 220, 230. Even 240. I saw him at 240. Oh my god!

00:25:17.000 And then he would fight at 170. What?

00:25:20.000 Why the fuck didn't someone sit him down like, bro?

00:25:23.000 You're cutting 80 pounds.

00:25:25.000 Why don't we relax?

00:25:26.000 Homie, relax.

00:25:27.000 Why don't you fight somewhere else?

00:25:28.000 What are you doing, dude?

00:25:29.000 Yeah, what's the thought process then?

00:25:31.000 He likes being a bully.

00:25:32.000 Is that what it is, man?

00:25:33.000 I think.

00:25:34.000 Why the fuck else?

00:25:35.000 What are you doing?

00:25:37.000 Well, you know, there's also...

00:25:38.000 Some guys think that they're not doing all they can do to be a champion unless they cut as much weight as they can to get to a lower weight as they can, and they think it's a part of the discipline.

00:25:38.000 How about this?

00:25:48.000 How ridiculous is that?

00:25:50.000 They think it's a part of the discipline of being a fighter that you have to make that weight, and they look at it as a badge of courage.

00:25:55.000 They have to cut that weight.

00:25:57.000 He's missed weight so many times, someone should have just been like, yo, my man.

00:25:59.000 Okay, well, how about Weidman then?

00:26:00.000 What do you think about Weidman?

00:26:01.000 Weidman has a hard cut to 185. He makes it.

00:26:03.000 He makes it pretty...

00:26:05.000 Well, he's obviously the most professional because he's the champion, right?

00:26:09.000 He always gets on weight, even in the fucking...

00:26:11.000 He's never missed it, though.

00:26:12.000 That's the difference.

00:26:13.000 He almost missed it.

00:26:13.000 He didn't almost miss it, but he had a really hard time with it in the fight with...

00:26:18.000 What the fuck's his name?

00:26:19.000 Italian boxer?

00:26:21.000 Oh, uh, Philippou?

00:26:22.000 No, no, no, no.

00:26:23.000 Sakuraba.

00:26:24.000 Or, uh, uh...

00:26:25.000 Alessio Sakara.

00:26:26.000 Damn it.

00:26:27.000 Jesus Christ.

00:26:27.000 How could I not remember that?

00:26:28.000 Legionarius.

00:26:29.000 Alessio Sakara.

00:26:30.000 He took that fight, I think that was on, like, a real short notice.

00:26:34.000 He took that fight and the Maya fight on super short notice.

00:26:37.000 It was the Damien Maia fight.

00:26:37.000 That's what it was.

00:26:39.000 It was on TV, right?

00:26:40.000 That was eight days, bro.

00:26:40.000 That was eight days.

00:26:41.000 Yeah.

00:26:41.000 That's different.

00:26:42.000 That was it.

00:26:43.000 The Legionnaires fight, he crushed him, right?

00:26:43.000 That's different.

00:26:45.000 Yeah, crushed him.

00:26:46.000 Maia went to decision, short notice.

00:26:48.000 And it was a stand-up fight most of the time.

00:26:50.000 That was when Ray Longo was yelling at his corner, I saw what you got through at the fucking weigh-ins.

00:26:56.000 If you can lose that kind of weight, kid, you can get through this.

00:26:58.000 Like, you can get in the pep talk.

00:27:00.000 Yeah, during the fight, yeah.

00:27:02.000 How great is Ray Longo?

00:27:03.000 The thing with Weidman, though, is, again, there's no holes in his game.

00:27:10.000 It's not like Anthony Johnson.

00:27:11.000 We've seen him cut weight and there's holes in his game.

00:27:13.000 Weidman, we haven't seen him, man.

00:27:14.000 That dude is a bad motherfucker.

00:27:17.000 He's an animal.

00:27:18.000 He's a special type of Long Island animal that you never want to have a fight with at a bar.

00:27:22.000 How about his boy, Iaquinta?

00:27:25.000 He's crazy.

00:27:25.000 I love it.

00:27:26.000 I love that.

00:27:26.000 I wish I was there to interview him, man, when he did that.

00:27:29.000 When he was like, boo me?

00:27:29.000 I love that.

00:27:30.000 No, fuck you.

00:27:31.000 Boo me?

00:27:31.000 Fuck you.

00:27:32.000 I loved it.

00:27:33.000 He didn't get in trouble for that, right?

00:27:34.000 I don't know.

00:27:35.000 I hope not.

00:27:35.000 They should give him a bonus.

00:27:36.000 I agree.

00:27:37.000 $100,000.

00:27:38.000 I wanted to get, if I was there, I wanted to climb through the fucking screen and interview him.

00:27:42.000 I wanted to.

00:27:43.000 He was the best, man.

00:27:44.000 I wanted to, like, when he was saying, fuck you, I wanted to, like, first of all, it wasn't his fault.

00:27:51.000 You don't boo the fighter.

00:27:52.000 He's not the judge.

00:27:53.000 He went out and gave it his all.

00:27:55.000 But John Anik was like, okay, looks like we've got some curse words here.

00:27:59.000 See ya!

00:28:00.000 Yeah, just shut up.

00:28:01.000 He was like, alright Al, take care.

00:28:05.000 You didn't even ask him to stay.

00:28:06.000 I would have congratulated him on a really tough fight.

00:28:09.000 How did you score the fight?

00:28:09.000 It was a great fight.

00:28:10.000 I thought Masvidal probably edged him.

00:28:12.000 Oh, I disagree.

00:28:13.000 Really?

00:28:14.000 No, I had Al winning two and three.

00:28:16.000 I think I thought the first round was pretty dominant for Masvidal.

00:28:21.000 I agree.

00:28:22.000 And I think the other two rounds, I thought Masvidal did just enough.

00:28:26.000 Ooh, I disagree.

00:28:27.000 You know, I didn't think it was nearly as dominant as the first round.

00:28:30.000 I would like to go over again and watch it with you.

00:28:32.000 Let's do that.

00:28:33.000 Let's go over again.

00:28:34.000 We'll watch it after the fight.

00:28:35.000 That'll be cool to do.

00:28:36.000 Would you say Meslodal is a 10-8 first round?

00:28:39.000 I could see it being a draw if you want to go that route.

00:28:41.000 I could see a draw if you give it 10-8 that first round.

00:28:43.000 Well, I think there definitely should be a wider disparity in scoring.

00:28:46.000 If that is a 10-9, but then the last two rounds were also 10-9, well, that's obviously right there.

00:28:52.000 That fight demonstrates it, right?

00:28:54.000 That fight demonstrates the difference between the first round, the domination that Masvidal showed in that first round, and then the really debatable second and third rounds.

00:29:02.000 Masvidal kind of coasted though, especially the third round and the second round.

00:29:06.000 I thought he was losing it, man.

00:29:07.000 Kind of did.

00:29:07.000 And he hasn't...

00:29:08.000 Well, you know, who knows?

00:29:09.000 This is the thing, dude.

00:29:10.000 You know it as much as I knew it.

00:29:11.000 You never know what the fuck's going on with these guys when they get in there.

00:29:14.000 He could have been clipped.

00:29:15.000 He could have been clipped in the second round.

00:29:16.000 We don't know.

00:29:17.000 And he was coasting because he just wasn't there.

00:29:19.000 Well, it could have been that he was hurt in training.

00:29:21.000 Oh, big knee, dude.

00:29:23.000 Huge knee.

00:29:23.000 Oh, shit.

00:29:25.000 Knee central.

00:29:25.000 We haven't mentioned this fight once.

00:29:27.000 Not once.

00:29:28.000 How rude.

00:29:29.000 Let me find out what fight this is.

00:29:29.000 How rude.

00:29:33.000 We're the worst commentators ever.

00:29:35.000 The main event and co-main event is the bomb.

00:29:38.000 Yeah.

00:29:39.000 Especially the co-main event.

00:29:40.000 That's the best fight on the card.

00:29:41.000 Which one's that?

00:29:42.000 That's Minnawa versus the Polish cat.

00:29:45.000 The Polish cat has beaten a lot of UFC guys that a lot of people don't know.

00:29:49.000 Yes.

00:29:50.000 He beat Houston Alexander.

00:29:52.000 Jamie, can you put up the card, like the full card, so we can see what the whole main card is?

00:29:56.000 This is, we're right now, we're watching Paolo, Pawlok, and Sheldon Westcott.

00:30:01.000 Looks like a good fucking fight so far.

00:30:04.000 But we're talking about all kinds of other shit.

00:30:06.000 First of all, I gotta go back to this Roy Nelson thing and strongly disagree that he gets a fucking haircut.

00:30:11.000 Bro, get a stylist, dress these guys proper, so they don't look like assholes.

00:30:16.000 No, he looks like Roy goddamn Nelson.

00:30:18.000 He's a fabulous human being.

00:30:20.000 Not everybody has to be Metro.

00:30:22.000 Not everybody has to be a beautiful, handsome cop.

00:30:23.000 The UFC can hire me as a stylist.

00:30:25.000 The first thing I All I want to do is go to Joanna, the 115-pound champ.

00:30:28.000 I'm like, yeah, that business button-up you're wearing, let's get rid of that.

00:30:32.000 Let's ditch that.

00:30:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:30:36.000 That's hilarious.

00:30:38.000 Roy, no more t-shirts, bellies, and jean shorts.

00:30:43.000 I love Roy.

00:30:44.000 I love Roy too, man.

00:30:45.000 He's a great guy.

00:30:46.000 What's next for him?

00:30:48.000 That's a good question.

00:30:49.000 Because he lost over him.

00:30:50.000 The more unique characters we have, the better.

00:30:53.000 That's fine.

00:30:53.000 He can dress nice and be a character.

00:30:55.000 You don't have to look like fucking...

00:30:56.000 I feel like they just booked a fight for him.

00:31:01.000 You see that documentary of the Sheik yet?

00:31:01.000 Goddammit.

00:31:04.000 The Sheik?

00:31:05.000 Yeah, the Iron Sheik documentary?

00:31:06.000 No, this documentary?

00:31:08.000 I love me some docs.

00:31:08.000 Fucking good!

00:31:08.000 Is it?

00:31:09.000 You know, when you think, you know, I was into the WWF. I was into the WWF. I just watched Culture High, by the way.

00:31:15.000 It's pretty good, right?

00:31:16.000 Fucking dope.

00:31:17.000 Yeah.

00:31:18.000 If I could, I would do it, but I would, I mean, I was like, damn, I'm...

00:31:21.000 I'm pro weed now.

00:31:22.000 The Iron Sheik story, dude, the Iron Sheik story is fucking amazing.

00:31:27.000 You know, he was an Iranian national champion wrestler who ended up being a bodyguard for the Shah.

00:31:36.000 The Shah loved the wrestlers and the top Iranian wrestlers.

00:31:40.000 And his main bodyguard dude, forget his name, but he was the best Iranian wrestler ever.

00:31:46.000 And he was his main bodyguard, the Shah.

00:31:48.000 That dude ended up committing suicide.

00:31:51.000 So everyone thought, oh shit, he got killed.

00:31:54.000 So the Iron Sheik, he was one of the bodyguards, he decided to bolt.

00:32:00.000 He bolted to Minnesota, dude.

00:32:03.000 He has beautiful skin.

00:32:04.000 But he was the second best wrestler in Iran.

00:32:08.000 And he started teaching the Olympic wrestling team.

00:32:11.000 Number one.

00:32:12.000 World champion.

00:32:14.000 World champion.

00:32:16.000 And you know what's crazy?

00:32:17.000 You know why?

00:32:18.000 He wasn't even like...

00:32:21.000 You know how his character is the Iron Sheik with that...

00:32:24.000 What do they call those head pieces?

00:32:27.000 Turbans?

00:32:28.000 But it wasn't a turban.

00:32:30.000 Iran was totally westernized.

00:32:34.000 He had nothing to do with any of that.

00:32:35.000 None of those guys are like that.

00:32:36.000 He was a wrestler.

00:32:38.000 He was an athlete.

00:32:38.000 He was a regular dude.

00:32:40.000 He wasn't like that.

00:32:42.000 But once he slowly started getting into pro wrestling in Minnesota, he would coach the college team there.

00:32:48.000 They were national champions five years in a row.

00:32:51.000 He was an amazing wrestler.

00:32:52.000 At University of Minnesota?

00:32:53.000 Yes, somewhere in Minnesota and for the Olympic team.

00:32:57.000 He was the man in wrestling.

00:32:59.000 And he started getting into pro wrestling, not as the Iron Sheet, just as an American Olympic coach type.

00:33:06.000 He was an American, but he was really Iranian.

00:33:09.000 So someone told him, his wife told him, he goes, you should...

00:33:12.000 His wife suggested that he uses that because...

00:33:17.000 Because she likes money?

00:33:18.000 Well, we were in that Iran...

00:33:20.000 Exactly.

00:33:20.000 Right?

00:33:21.000 Like, wrestling's great, why don't we make some fucking money and you get a personality.

00:33:25.000 At that time, at that time, yeah.

00:33:28.000 Right?

00:33:29.000 Wrestlers are dead broke.

00:33:31.000 That's when we were at, we were about to go to war with Iran back then, and everybody, you know, the whole terror hostages, the whole Iran hostages thing.

00:33:38.000 So, they took advantage of that.

00:33:40.000 They jumped on that.

00:33:41.000 How crazy is that to do?

00:33:43.000 Smart, man.

00:33:43.000 For him, though.

00:33:44.000 Yes.

00:33:44.000 In America...

00:33:46.000 He loved it.

00:33:47.000 He loved being the heel.

00:33:49.000 Really?

00:33:49.000 He started blowing up in Minnesota.

00:33:51.000 Then Vince McMahon heard about this.

00:33:52.000 The reason why he ended up being...

00:33:55.000 Listen, the reason why he ended up being...

00:33:57.000 He ended up getting the championship belt.

00:33:58.000 He beat Bob Backlund.

00:33:59.000 But the way that shit's decided, they talk about this openly about how Bob Backlund was the American WWF champion.

00:34:08.000 What the hell?

00:34:09.000 Again?

00:34:11.000 Dude, what is going on?

00:34:13.000 They wanted to bring in Hulk Hogan.

00:34:17.000 How are we going to make him a champion?

00:34:18.000 Vince McMahon goes, well, he can't beat the American champion.

00:34:22.000 We need a villain to come in to beat Bob Backlund so then Hulk Hogan saves the day.

00:34:28.000 We have a villain champion for like a year or two.

00:34:30.000 Makes sense.

00:34:31.000 And then it blows up.

00:34:32.000 So they needed the perfect villain.

00:34:33.000 They fucking found it.

00:34:34.000 They found Iron Sheik.

00:34:36.000 Perfect timing.

00:34:37.000 The crazy thing about Iron Sheik is he wouldn't lose.

00:34:41.000 Because in reality, he knew he could beat everybody here.

00:34:44.000 Because he's a real wrestler.

00:34:45.000 Yes, exactly.

00:34:46.000 Kind of like Brock.

00:34:47.000 Even Hulk Hogan.

00:34:49.000 They all talk about this in the documentary.

00:34:51.000 Yeah, Hulk wasn't a real wrestler.

00:34:52.000 The reason why the Iron Sheik was...

00:34:56.000 The only one that would beat him was Hulk Hogan.

00:34:58.000 Because he was the best wrestler.

00:35:01.000 He could fucking hole up.

00:35:02.000 And they all know it.

00:35:03.000 They all knew it.

00:35:04.000 So he took...

00:35:05.000 And Hulk Hogan says this, you know, says Iron Sheet could have beat...

00:35:08.000 He could beat anybody in any room.

00:35:10.000 For real.

00:35:11.000 So for him to lay down for me and let me and pass the torch to me, that created Hulkamania.

00:35:16.000 Him passing the torch.

00:35:18.000 You ever seen Hulk Hogan's sex tape?

00:35:20.000 If they actually had a wrestling.

00:35:20.000 Yeah.

00:35:22.000 You ever seen Hulk Hogan's sex tape?

00:35:24.000 Yeah.

00:35:25.000 Oh, don't laugh and point me talking about the gentleman's sex tape.

00:35:28.000 You've never seen it?

00:35:29.000 Have you seen it's sex tape?

00:35:30.000 It's the best.

00:35:32.000 There's so much sadness in that sex tape.

00:35:33.000 That would have been no Hulkamania.

00:35:34.000 Oh, I think it's glorious, man.

00:35:35.000 That's hilarious.

00:35:36.000 Still looks good in shape.

00:35:38.000 I didn't watch it.

00:35:39.000 I watched a few seconds of it.

00:35:40.000 He still yoked.

00:35:41.000 He still yoked.

00:35:44.000 Dude, Hulk Hogan's arms are huge still.

00:35:46.000 He fucking yoked.

00:35:49.000 Yote!

00:35:49.000 Brown skin?

00:35:51.000 How old is he?

00:35:52.000 That's a weird love triangle.

00:35:53.000 Someone got betrayed in that weird love triangle.

00:35:57.000 It was like his best friend's girl or something like that.

00:36:00.000 They have some weird thing.

00:36:01.000 In the middle, he's like, hold on, Nick's calling while he's getting his dick sucked.

00:36:05.000 Checks his phone.

00:36:06.000 It's the Hulkster, man.

00:36:07.000 I'm not mad at him at all.

00:36:09.000 That is hilarious.

00:36:10.000 No one gave a shit, right?

00:36:11.000 About a sex tape.

00:36:12.000 I think real WWE fans were sad.

00:36:16.000 How dare you, Hulk?

00:36:19.000 What if you found out that Hulk did that on purpose?

00:36:22.000 I'd be a bigger fan.

00:36:24.000 Oh, and they talk about Iron Sheik being a massive coke head.

00:36:28.000 Like, he got busted with Hacksaw Duggan in a car.

00:36:30.000 They got pulled over, and they had a bunch of coke and weed on them.

00:36:33.000 Think about the nights those two had.

00:36:34.000 He partied hard.

00:36:35.000 Iron Sheik is a mad partier.

00:36:37.000 Did you see that ad for Stipe Miocic?

00:36:39.000 That's a good fight.

00:36:40.000 Good googly moogly Brendan Shaw.

00:36:42.000 That's a good fight.

00:36:43.000 That's a fucking fight.

00:36:44.000 Big, big fan of Stipe, man.

00:36:46.000 After that fight with Junior Dos Santos...

00:36:49.000 I was like, this guy, he's still getting better.

00:36:52.000 He's still getting better.

00:36:53.000 He's fucking really good and still getting better.

00:36:56.000 You're smiling, you heavyweight son of a bitch.

00:36:59.000 Competitive motherfucker.

00:37:00.000 I think, don't get me wrong, Stipe's a fucking monster.

00:37:05.000 He's a monster.

00:37:06.000 I think that fight was more of Dos Santos, the Cain Velasquez fights took its toll on him.

00:37:12.000 A lot of people believe that.

00:37:13.000 That's a little bit of speculation.

00:37:15.000 He has like a surgery every other week.

00:37:16.000 Yeah, he's definitely beat up.

00:37:18.000 I've heard that.

00:37:20.000 I've heard that speculation.

00:37:21.000 Your boy Noguero's fighting again.

00:37:23.000 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 Struve.

00:37:24.000 Wow.

00:37:25.000 Why your boy?

00:37:26.000 Why do you say that?

00:37:27.000 I don't know.

00:37:28.000 Well, we both love him.

00:37:29.000 Yeah, love him.

00:37:30.000 All of us love him.

00:37:31.000 Fuck yeah.

00:37:32.000 Yeah.

00:37:33.000 You have to love him.

00:37:34.000 Yeah, it's hard to watch the real legends like that.

00:37:39.000 Breaks your heart.

00:37:40.000 Keep going out.

00:37:40.000 Like, the Roy Nelson fight was hard for me to watch.

00:37:43.000 That was the worst fight I've ever seen.

00:37:45.000 That was the worst fight where I was like, oh my god.

00:37:47.000 It was like a shotgun going off.

00:37:48.000 Yeah, when he got KO'd, you know, it was tough to watch.

00:37:54.000 I told you, man, when Little Nog fought Anthony Johnson, I was in the back, warming Pat Cummings up, because I was calling Pat for that fight, and he was just so beat up, and his body was so beat up, he couldn't even hit mitts.

00:38:05.000 He was just sitting down, like we are now.

00:38:07.000 Wow.

00:38:08.000 Burt comes by.

00:38:09.000 You know how Burt goes.

00:38:10.000 Fire in the hole!

00:38:11.000 You're up!

00:38:12.000 No sweats.

00:38:13.000 Walks up.

00:38:13.000 Fucking prison stare.

00:38:15.000 Walks up, goes out there, gets fucking annihilated.

00:38:18.000 Do you think that he's just had too many fights?

00:38:21.000 Yeah.

00:38:21.000 Too much training time.

00:38:22.000 Too much.

00:38:23.000 Too many wars in the gym.

00:38:24.000 Too many wars in the octagon.

00:38:25.000 You're talking about one of the best ever, man.

00:38:27.000 Yeah, so back to that Jamie Varner thing.

00:38:29.000 Jamie Varner was saying that he believes he's had about 30 concussions.

00:38:35.000 30?

00:38:35.000 Yeah, or maybe more.

00:38:36.000 That's what his doctor had estimated.

00:38:39.000 I don't know how his doctor estimated that.

00:38:41.000 They did it through an MRI, a brain scan.

00:38:43.000 I don't know what they did.

00:38:45.000 But whatever it was, his doctor urged him to retire.

00:38:48.000 And, you know, then he started talking about cognitive issues, memory issues, things along those lines.

00:38:54.000 Then he sees a cognitive therapist once a week to deal with them.

00:38:59.000 This guy's got good jiu-jitsu, man.

00:39:01.000 He's very good.

00:39:02.000 I can't name too many fighters who have retired where I'm like, God damn, that guy's sharp.

00:39:07.000 You're doing really well, my man.

00:39:09.000 I can't name too many of my...

00:39:11.000 Randy seems fine, man.

00:39:12.000 When you talk to Randy, Randy Couture is very lucid.

00:39:16.000 He's fine.

00:39:17.000 And he had his last fight really late in life.

00:39:19.000 I think he was 48, his last fight.

00:39:22.000 That's true.

00:39:23.000 And what, he started competing at, what, 42?

00:39:27.000 36, I believe.

00:39:29.000 It was his first UFC fight.

00:39:31.000 I was there.

00:39:32.000 That was in...

00:39:33.000 That comb-over?

00:39:34.000 That was in...

00:39:35.000 My hair was luscious.

00:39:37.000 Fucking dope.

00:39:37.000 Dude, he got a rear naked choke in his first UFC. Randy Couture.

00:39:42.000 Randy Couture, Tony Halma.

00:39:45.000 Yeah.

00:39:46.000 Yeah, he choked out Tony Halma.

00:39:47.000 And he fought this other dude, too, that night that had real promise.

00:39:51.000 I forget the gentleman's name.

00:39:52.000 Did he get his back?

00:39:52.000 He got his back as well, right?

00:39:54.000 I don't remember what he did to him.

00:39:56.000 He might have mounted him and ground and pounded him.

00:39:59.000 But the Tony Halma one was big right hand, ducked under it, took him down, had his will with him.

00:40:04.000 Couture's a legend.

00:40:05.000 Woo!

00:40:06.000 What?

00:40:06.000 Stud.

00:40:07.000 How about when Lyoto kicked his tooth out and he's like, you know what?

00:40:10.000 I'm done with this bullshit.

00:40:11.000 Yep.

00:40:12.000 He's like, enough.

00:40:13.000 Front kick to the face.

00:40:15.000 Goddamn movies.

00:40:17.000 About to do some Expendables series.

00:40:19.000 Expendables 67. Yeah.

00:40:21.000 He's an animal.

00:40:23.000 I feel real bad that he and the UFC had that falling out.

00:40:26.000 Well, it's because of his son too, right?

00:40:28.000 Like he cornered his son or some shit like that, right?

00:40:30.000 Well, I don't know if you can quantify what started it out, but I think the thing that kicked it into overdrive, I think there was a few issues over the years, but the thing that kicked it into overdrive was him doing that Bellator show.

00:40:45.000 Yeah, that'll do it.

00:40:46.000 Yeah, after they put him in the UFC Hall of Fame, he signed up to do that Bellator show.

00:40:51.000 The show was terrible.

00:40:54.000 You know what, man?

00:40:56.000 We all have different opinions about these things.

00:40:58.000 You thought the show was good?

00:40:59.000 No.

00:41:00.000 You tuned in every week like, I can't wait.

00:41:01.000 I didn't watch it, honestly.

00:41:03.000 I mean, different opinions about whether or not he should have been able to go into some rival organization and pump up the organization.

00:41:09.000 Probably not.

00:41:10.000 It's, you know, debatable.

00:41:12.000 It's tough, man.

00:41:13.000 He's a champion of one organization.

00:41:15.000 But you gotta do what you gotta do, man.

00:41:17.000 If people offer you some money, you know, and you have an opportunity like that.

00:41:20.000 The UFC's not giving him a stipend after he's retired.

00:41:20.000 I agree.

00:41:23.000 I got weird feelings on competitiveness in MMA right now.

00:41:30.000 Competition amongst organizations in MMA. And my weird feeling is, I don't think it's necessary.

00:41:37.000 And I think it'll be a lot less of this now that Scott Coker is over at Bellator.

00:41:41.000 You think a lot less?

00:41:42.000 I think it goes up.

00:41:42.000 Yeah.

00:41:43.000 I don't think so, man.

00:41:44.000 Oh, you're crazy.

00:41:45.000 I think the hostility is not going to go up.

00:41:47.000 Ooh, I disagree.

00:41:47.000 Because Bellator's going to get bigger.

00:41:49.000 Yeah, it's going to get bigger.

00:41:50.000 Because Scott Coker's legit.

00:41:51.000 He is legit.

00:41:52.000 But I think the UFC likes him.

00:41:55.000 They worked with him when he was the owner of Strikeforce, and it is possible.

00:41:59.000 That was then.

00:42:00.000 Yeah, it is possible.

00:42:02.000 It's all fun and games until Bellator's a legit threat.

00:42:05.000 Have you watched Bellator lately?

00:42:07.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 I watched it last night.

00:42:08.000 I don't miss one.

00:42:09.000 I don't miss the UFC. Don't even matter how I'm UFC to the day I die, but I don't miss one.

00:42:12.000 Dude, I enjoyed it.

00:42:15.000 Marcin Held has got some fucking nasty jujitsu.

00:42:18.000 Hell yeah.

00:42:18.000 Jesus Christ.

00:42:19.000 How about your boy Joe Schilling?

00:42:20.000 How about Joe Schilling?

00:42:21.000 It was a good fight.

00:42:22.000 He thought he won the fight after it was over.

00:42:25.000 But Edgebrook...

00:42:26.000 Gotta do like this.

00:42:27.000 Gotta do like this.

00:42:28.000 You're gonna eat.

00:42:28.000 We gotta remember.

00:42:30.000 Brooks.

00:42:31.000 He thought he won the fight, but it was a very close fight.

00:42:34.000 Super close.

00:42:35.000 Takedowns are tough.

00:42:36.000 Yeah, Schilling did more damage, but the dude did get dominant position on him a bunch of times, which shouldn't mean as much, but oftentimes the way they score it, it does.

00:42:43.000 When the guy's on top of you and side control for a prolonged period of time, for whatever reason, that's worth a lot, even if he doesn't hurt you.

00:42:50.000 It is, but it probably shouldn't be.

00:42:52.000 I agree.

00:42:52.000 We should probably figure out what is one thing where you're controlling a guy, but if you're controlling a guy and you're not getting any damage done, what difference does that make?

00:43:02.000 Is it 50% of controlling a guy and doing damage?

00:43:05.000 Is it less than that?

00:43:06.000 You've got to quantify it.

00:43:07.000 The one positive thing I saw in Bellator is when homeboy Emmanuel fought.

00:43:14.000 He just lost to the Henzo Gracie guy.

00:43:17.000 Emmanuel Newton?

00:43:18.000 Emmanuel Newton.

00:43:18.000 Yeah, I didn't see that fight.

00:43:21.000 I missed that fight.

00:43:22.000 If you watch that fight, Emmanuel took the guy down a ton and the guy was so active off his back, triangle, armbar, so active, and they gave him the win.

00:43:29.000 Because he was just threatening non-stop.

00:43:31.000 You know who does that?

00:43:32.000 Charles Oliveira.

00:43:33.000 Yes.

00:43:34.000 You get that kid on his back and he's scrambling on his back.

00:43:39.000 You know what?

00:43:39.000 Cowboy's similar.

00:43:40.000 We don't see it a lot.

00:43:41.000 Very similar.

00:43:42.000 Cowboy's guard game is nasty.

00:43:44.000 That's what I'm interested in seeing in this fight.

00:43:46.000 Can you imagine if Cowboy could submit Habib?

00:43:49.000 Be sick.

00:43:49.000 Good googly moogly.

00:43:51.000 I hope he does.

00:43:51.000 Good googly moogly.

00:43:53.000 That is a tough fucking fight.

00:43:55.000 Tough fucking fight.

00:43:56.000 That's a tough fucking fight for both guys.

00:43:58.000 Speaking of tough fights, I saw a fucking Machida yesterday spar five rounds like it was nothing.

00:44:04.000 Not shit.

00:44:05.000 He could go 10. Really?

00:44:07.000 That fight's in two weeks, too, man.

00:44:09.000 Goddamn!

00:44:09.000 How's he look?

00:44:11.000 Best I've ever seen him.

00:44:12.000 Do you want to talk about a professional?

00:44:14.000 What?

00:44:15.000 The fuck?

00:44:16.000 Well, he has to be.

00:44:17.000 He doesn't have much time left, man.

00:44:19.000 You know?

00:44:19.000 I mean, you think he's 36, 37 years old?

00:44:22.000 His athletic prime is probably, you know, right now is about maintaining the super high level he's at right now.

00:44:29.000 But, like, biologically...

00:44:31.000 In this day and age, without taking anything, you're going to start to experience that pretty significant diminishment.

00:44:39.000 I'm telling you, man, though, there's no one more professional than him.

00:44:42.000 He's awesome.

00:44:42.000 They need a documentary on Liotto just called The Professional.

00:44:45.000 That motherfucker's just...

00:44:46.000 He's a legit martial artist, 365 days a year.

00:44:50.000 Yeah, he's a super nice guy, too.

00:44:52.000 Does he still drink urine?

00:44:54.000 Hey, how dare you?

00:44:54.000 I don't think so.

00:44:55.000 How dare you bring that up?

00:44:56.000 No, I think someone schooled him on that.

00:44:58.000 They're like, yo, you can't be drinking piss again.

00:45:00.000 Hey, I'm not talking shit.

00:45:01.000 I drank urine.

00:45:01.000 I drank my piss a couple times.

00:45:03.000 I tried it for like a month.

00:45:05.000 Did you really?

00:45:06.000 Did you try it too, Joe?

00:45:07.000 Yeah, I tried it a few times.

00:45:08.000 I tried it too.

00:45:09.000 After I saw Machido do it, I was like, shit, I'm just going to heat this shit up.

00:45:12.000 Really, it's not that big a deal.

00:45:13.000 You know, everybody makes it out that it's a big deal.

00:45:15.000 It's your own piss.

00:45:16.000 It's really...

00:45:17.000 I did it with a DJ on the radio and he almost threw up.

00:45:19.000 It was hilarious.

00:45:20.000 Really?

00:45:21.000 This dude no name in San Francisco.

00:45:23.000 I don't think he thought I was going to do it.

00:45:25.000 He was like, Joe, will you drink this piss?

00:45:27.000 Well, it's really stupid to do.

00:45:28.000 Don't do it, folks.

00:45:29.000 But there is some thought that certain vitamins or antioxidants...

00:45:35.000 I forget the rap.

00:45:36.000 I would never do it if I read about it today, but when I did it back in the day, I was a little bit more susceptible to...

00:45:41.000 The internet has schooled me on the reality of drinking your piss.

00:45:44.000 I was in the UFC, I saw the cheetah do it, and I started drinking piss, man.

00:45:48.000 This is the way I look at it.

00:45:48.000 That's how it goes.

00:45:50.000 I don't know shit about why I'm...

00:45:54.000 We can't just piss out of our asses.

00:45:56.000 Why do we need our dicks to get rid of liquid waste?

00:45:59.000 I mean, that's science.

00:46:00.000 Where is this coming from?

00:46:02.000 It's science, bro.

00:46:04.000 What I'm thinking is your piss is designed to clean that important urethra out multiple times a day cleaning bacteria so that your piss can't be filled with bacteria.

00:46:18.000 It's cleaner.

00:46:19.000 It's cleaning your dick out.

00:46:20.000 Your body made cleaner for your dick to keep it clean.

00:46:24.000 So when you shoot out sperm, it's healthy and clean.

00:46:26.000 Dude, you should be a scientist.

00:46:28.000 Straight up.

00:46:28.000 Right?

00:46:29.000 That's my guess.

00:46:30.000 That's my guess.

00:46:30.000 Straight up scientist.

00:46:31.000 That's my guess.

00:46:32.000 I don't know.

00:46:32.000 I tuned out about ten seconds into that.

00:46:34.000 Okay.

00:46:35.000 You don't think that makes sense?

00:46:35.000 Yeah.

00:46:36.000 It does a little, I guess.

00:46:37.000 It does!

00:46:40.000 There has to be a special reason for piss, or otherwise we just piss out of our asses.

00:46:44.000 Every animal does it that way, too.

00:46:45.000 But women don't ejaculate, and they pee out of their vaginas, too.

00:46:49.000 So, that throws a little monkey wrench into it.

00:46:52.000 No, no, no, because everyone's born a woman.

00:46:54.000 Everyone's not born a woman.

00:46:56.000 Everyone's hatched a woman.

00:46:58.000 When you're an embryo, everyone's a woman.

00:46:58.000 That's hard.

00:47:01.000 I did not know that.

00:47:02.000 That's why we have nipples.

00:47:03.000 I did not know that.

00:47:03.000 Really?

00:47:04.000 That's why we have nipples?

00:47:05.000 Yeah, whatever the difference in the chromosomes are.

00:47:07.000 Obviously, I'm doing a shitty job of the biology here, but we're XY. That's what men are.

00:47:12.000 I've always had a set of tits, man.

00:47:14.000 That Y gets established.

00:47:16.000 Testosterone kicks into gear.

00:47:17.000 And you become a boy.

00:47:20.000 But everything in the beginning, every embryo, whatever it is, every embryo starts out as a female.

00:47:26.000 And then we're raised to be obsessed with as men.

00:47:30.000 Dick size.

00:47:30.000 No, when it comes to women, to less than nothing.

00:47:34.000 Yeah.

00:47:35.000 There's a void.

00:47:37.000 There's nothing there.

00:47:39.000 It's a hole.

00:47:39.000 It's nothing.

00:47:40.000 It goes in and there's a void.

00:47:42.000 Have you heard of that Lady Valor?

00:47:44.000 The Navy Seal?

00:47:45.000 What do you mean?

00:47:45.000 Hold on.

00:47:46.000 I'm just trying to take a different route.

00:47:48.000 No, no, no.

00:47:48.000 I'm just trying to take a different route.

00:47:50.000 I'm just trying to figure out what you're saying.

00:47:52.000 You know, when a girl likes a guy's private parts, there's actually six, seven, eight inches of a thing that they have to...

00:48:01.000 For some reason, they like the way it looks.

00:48:04.000 I don't like the way it looks.

00:48:05.000 But when it comes to...

00:48:07.000 When it comes to female genitalia, we are obsessed with a void.

00:48:12.000 There's nothing.

00:48:13.000 Not only is there no eight inches, but it goes eight inches deep of nothingness.

00:48:18.000 So there's just a void that we have to...

00:48:20.000 I don't know.

00:48:21.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:48:21.000 We're obsessed with.

00:48:22.000 Exactly.

00:48:23.000 It makes zero sense.

00:48:24.000 It's not a void.

00:48:25.000 It is.

00:48:26.000 It grabs your finger, dude.

00:48:26.000 There's nothing there.

00:48:28.000 That's the outer edges of the void.

00:48:29.000 No, the inside grabs your finger.

00:48:31.000 It squeezes.

00:48:33.000 That's like saying your mouth is a void.

00:48:35.000 It's a hole.

00:48:35.000 It is.

00:48:36.000 What?

00:48:40.000 The vacuum, bro.

00:48:41.000 The greatest stone biology rant of all time.

00:48:44.000 Hold up.

00:48:45.000 Why the fuck does that say Jacare versus Chris Camozzi?

00:48:47.000 Where's my boy fucking...

00:48:49.000 Oh, that's right.

00:48:50.000 You didn't hear?

00:48:51.000 Yeah, he got hurt.

00:48:53.000 No fucking way.

00:48:54.000 When?

00:48:55.000 Yeah, he got hurt.

00:48:55.000 He got hurt a couple days ago.

00:48:57.000 Jacare and Camozzi already fought.

00:48:58.000 Jacare cemented him in like three seconds.

00:49:01.000 Camozzi gets a rematch on fucking Fox.

00:49:05.000 Good for him.

00:49:06.000 Yeah, I like him, but he's a Denver boy.

00:49:08.000 He's a great dude.

00:49:09.000 I like that dude.

00:49:10.000 Great opportunity.

00:49:11.000 One day.

00:49:11.000 He brings it.

00:49:12.000 Boom.

00:49:13.000 Big brown up in there.

00:49:15.000 205. One day.

00:49:16.000 Look at that.

00:49:20.000 That look.

00:49:21.000 Joe's on.

00:49:22.000 I'm trying to figure out the rankings here.

00:49:27.000 Did you hear Big Brown mention 205?

00:49:30.000 Yeah.

00:49:30.000 What do you weigh right now?

00:49:32.000 I'm about 247. I've lost six pounds in a week.

00:49:35.000 How does it feel to lose six pounds?

00:49:37.000 Glorious.

00:49:38.000 Does it feel good?

00:49:39.000 Yeah, I feel great, man.

00:49:40.000 You feel physically good?

00:49:41.000 What did you do?

00:49:41.000 Great.

00:49:42.000 Would you change?

00:49:43.000 Just calories or the type of food?

00:49:44.000 Calories.

00:49:45.000 I was doing it myself, you know, for like two or three months, and you just can't do that, man.

00:49:49.000 So I hired a nutritionist.

00:49:51.000 And do they prepare the meals for you and everything?

00:49:53.000 Yeah, drop them off every Sunday.

00:49:54.000 Meals, water, plan, everything.

00:49:57.000 I check in with them all the time.

00:49:59.000 It's way easier that way, right?

00:50:00.000 Way easier.

00:50:01.000 So do you get one of those body fat tests and a body composition test?

00:50:06.000 Do they do that stuff too?

00:50:07.000 No.

00:50:07.000 No?

00:50:07.000 He can.

00:50:08.000 I just don't want to drive out there and do all that shit.

00:50:10.000 The good thing with those is those are numbers.

00:50:12.000 You know, you get it down on paper.

00:50:14.000 You got to make sure that you're hydrated because those things, the equipment that they use, unless they're dunking you, It can be a little fuckery.

00:50:23.000 There's always like a plus or minus 3% on those things, right?

00:50:26.000 Yeah.

00:50:26.000 Unless you go on those bod pods.

00:50:28.000 I think they say the calipers, the little pinchy things, are like the least effective.

00:50:32.000 The most effective is the flotation.

00:50:34.000 This is a bad motherfucker, Jimmy Manoa.

00:50:36.000 He is a bad motherfucker.

00:50:37.000 His only loss is to Augusta.

00:50:38.000 Dude, he's only been doing MMA for like six years.

00:50:41.000 He's like a super athlete.

00:50:43.000 Straight off the street, right?

00:50:44.000 Yes, super athlete.

00:50:46.000 Good athlete, for sure.

00:50:48.000 He's a nasty striker, dude.

00:50:50.000 Serious fucking power.

00:50:51.000 This Jan dude's no punk, man.

00:50:53.000 He's beat tougher guys than Jimmy.

00:50:55.000 Jimmy hasn't really beat anyone.

00:50:56.000 I think you have to call him Jan.

00:50:57.000 Is his name Jan?

00:50:57.000 Is it Jan?

00:50:58.000 How do they say it?

00:50:59.000 Because in Denver, Colorado, we call him fucking Jan, alright?

00:51:03.000 Where's he from?

00:51:04.000 He's from Poland.

00:51:05.000 This is his hometown.

00:51:06.000 Denver, Colorado.

00:51:06.000 In Denver, Colorado, we call him Jan.

00:51:09.000 But it's probably Jan for sure.

00:51:10.000 Yeah, he said Jan.

00:51:11.000 Yeah, so Jan's beat Houston Alexander.

00:51:14.000 He's beat Sokuju.

00:51:15.000 Yep.

00:51:15.000 You remember that, what's his fucking name?

00:51:18.000 Relic?

00:51:19.000 You remember that dude, Goran Relic?

00:51:20.000 Yeah, Goran Relic.

00:51:21.000 That badass Croatian?

00:51:22.000 Yeah.

00:51:22.000 Beat him.

00:51:23.000 What happened to that dude?

00:51:24.000 That dude had mad potential.

00:51:26.000 He had skills.

00:51:26.000 I don't know, right?

00:51:27.000 I think he got injured.

00:51:28.000 I was just thinking about him today.

00:51:29.000 I think he got injured.

00:51:30.000 His stand-up was nasty.

00:51:32.000 He was a mean dude.

00:51:33.000 Yeah, he was really good.

00:51:35.000 I think Manawa's the favorite.

00:51:37.000 I'm taking my boy Yan, or as we call him in Denver.

00:51:40.000 Strong words.

00:51:41.000 Strong words for...

00:51:42.000 I know, right?

00:51:43.000 Colorado kid.

00:51:45.000 What?

00:51:49.000 I guess this guy's just a hero out there in Poland.

00:51:52.000 My feelings about this whole Bellator UFC thing is, there doesn't have to be some crazy fucking hatred between the organizations.

00:51:59.000 Everybody would benefit if everybody benefits.

00:52:02.000 I really believe that the sport of MMA still has room to grow.

00:52:06.000 And I think that a big organization that is alongside the UFC is not a bad thing.

00:52:12.000 And it's a very good thing for the athletes.

00:52:14.000 It's great for the athletes.

00:52:16.000 It's better for the athletes than it is the UFC. It's very good for the athletes.

00:52:19.000 I think the UFC is obviously above and beyond in terms of the talent.

00:52:26.000 It's not even close.

00:52:27.000 It's not even close.

00:52:28.000 But it's not a bad thing to have Bellator around.

00:52:31.000 I think they do a great job.

00:52:32.000 I enjoy the shit out of the fights.

00:52:33.000 Yeah, I like them, man.

00:52:34.000 I don't miss them.

00:52:35.000 I enjoyed the shit out of Joe Schilling's fight.

00:52:37.000 That was a great fight.

00:52:38.000 I like how Joe Schilling does glory and Bellator.

00:52:40.000 He's a fucking beast.

00:52:42.000 That dude is a straight-up savage.

00:52:45.000 He's a straight killer.

00:52:47.000 Super talented.

00:52:48.000 And a real good dude, too.

00:52:50.000 Real good dude.

00:52:51.000 How many of those Bellator guys do you think would come over to the UFC? They're champs and do well?

00:52:55.000 Not many.

00:52:56.000 You know what, man?

00:52:58.000 You really don't know until they get in there.

00:53:00.000 You don't know.

00:53:01.000 Look at Eddie Alvarez.

00:53:04.000 Well, he fought Donald, and Donald was on point.

00:53:06.000 Just saying.

00:53:07.000 Donald was on point.

00:53:08.000 But then he lost again.

00:53:09.000 Yeah, he did.

00:53:11.000 Who'd he lose again to?

00:53:15.000 Didn't he lose to Henderson?

00:53:17.000 Look at all the fighters that came from Strikeforce and...

00:53:19.000 Hold on a second.

00:53:20.000 Strikeforce is different!

00:53:21.000 Why do I feel like that fight got cancelled?

00:53:23.000 Maybe you're right.

00:53:25.000 Did Eddie get hurt in that?

00:53:26.000 Because that's a hell of a fight.

00:53:27.000 Jesus Christ, why can I not remember that?

00:53:28.000 I can't remember either.

00:53:31.000 Headshots!

00:53:34.000 Alright, let's see, Ben Sutton.

00:53:38.000 This is your best fight on the card right here.

00:53:40.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:53:41.000 Well, you know what?

00:53:41.000 I'm very curious to see what happens in the main event.

00:53:43.000 I am too.

00:53:44.000 It feels 2003. We're already at the co-main event?

00:53:52.000 Yeah.

00:53:53.000 There's not that many fights.

00:53:55.000 Is this a two hour show?

00:53:57.000 No.

00:53:59.000 I don't think so.

00:54:02.000 Man, we've been here one hour and we're already at the co-main event.

00:54:06.000 That's weird.

00:54:07.000 It's also Fight Pass.

00:54:09.000 Yeah.

00:54:10.000 Eddie Alvarez lost to Cowboy and they lost one more.

00:54:13.000 Okay, the last fights for Benson were Brandon Thatch, and then the Donald Cowboy Cerrone fight, and then Rafael Dos Anjos.

00:54:22.000 Rafael Dos Anjos before that.

00:54:23.000 I'm making fights up, everybody.

00:54:25.000 Yeah.

00:54:26.000 I think that was a fight that was scheduled.

00:54:28.000 It was supposed to happen, right?

00:54:29.000 It didn't take place.

00:54:29.000 Who was Eddie's last fight?

00:54:30.000 Because he's lost two, I thought.

00:54:32.000 I didn't know that he lost two.

00:54:34.000 Why do I not remember that?

00:54:39.000 I love Google.

00:54:41.000 God, it's awesome.

00:54:48.000 Oh, Cerrone beat him, and then who beat him after Cerrone, though?

00:54:52.000 He beat Michael Chandler?

00:54:56.000 Chandler was in Bellator.

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 Who are you looking up, Jamie?

00:55:01.000 Eddie Alvarez?

00:55:03.000 Yeah, he beat Michael Chandler to leave Bellator.

00:55:06.000 Yeah.

00:55:07.000 I think he's only fought once, dude.

00:55:09.000 And then he got hurt.

00:55:10.000 He's supposed to fight Ben, right?

00:55:11.000 Yeah, I don't think he's...

00:55:13.000 Fight Pass went down again?

00:55:15.000 Listen, Fight Pass.

00:55:16.000 Fight Pass.

00:55:17.000 It keeps kicking me off and I have to re-log in.

00:55:22.000 This is really dumb.

00:55:24.000 I'm gonna sign in with Facebook.

00:55:28.000 See if it makes a difference.

00:55:33.000 Powerful Jimmy Manoa.

00:55:34.000 I love listening to the European commentators.

00:55:37.000 I love the way they talk.

00:55:39.000 His only one fight was Donald.

00:55:41.000 You're trying to give him more losses because he's so handsome.

00:55:43.000 Dude, his eyebrows are on point.

00:55:45.000 He's beautiful.

00:55:46.000 He for sure gets those wags.

00:55:47.000 I'm really excited to see him adjust to the higher level of competition because I think he will.

00:55:52.000 You do?

00:55:53.000 Yeah, I think he will.

00:55:54.000 I think you'd be surprised.

00:55:57.000 He needs some work with his leg kick checking, obviously.

00:56:00.000 I just don't think he ever fought a guy who is as slick as Donald on his feet.

00:56:04.000 When you say higher level guys, who are you talking about?

00:56:07.000 I don't know, man.

00:56:08.000 I don't know.

00:56:08.000 I see potential in him.

00:56:09.000 He's not young.

00:56:11.000 That's what I was just gonna say.

00:56:12.000 It all depends on how much damage he got through those Chandler fights.

00:56:16.000 He's fighting in Japan forever?

00:56:17.000 He's had some hard fights.

00:56:18.000 Some really crazy, crazy wars.

00:56:20.000 He's a wild motherfucker.

00:56:21.000 I love watching him fight.

00:56:23.000 Me too.

00:56:23.000 I love it, man.

00:56:25.000 Yeah, he's wild.

00:56:26.000 He's great.

00:56:26.000 But you know as well as I know, when you have a wild style like that, there's only so much fucking area on the board.

00:56:34.000 Yeah, the Michael Chandler phrase.

00:56:35.000 You get to a higher level where the pros go, okay, you're wild, check this out.

00:56:40.000 Yeah, well, just open yourself up, you know, and it makes it super exciting.

00:56:45.000 I mean, we all know those guys who just go to war at the beginning of every fucking round, and they're super exciting to watch.

00:56:52.000 They're a fan favorite.

00:56:53.000 Yep.

00:56:54.000 And then next thing you know, two years down the road, you're fucking three and six sitting at home watching these guys who were winning by wrestling and being smart.

00:57:01.000 And you can win that way.

00:57:03.000 That's what's kind of crazy.

00:57:04.000 Like, sometimes you can win that way.

00:57:06.000 And when you win that way, it's wild to watch.

00:57:08.000 Mm-hmm.

00:57:09.000 So it's like no one, if you win that way, you did the right thing.

00:57:12.000 But if you want to look at it as a long-term proposition.

00:57:16.000 Can't fight that way.

00:57:17.000 You can't fight that way.

00:57:18.000 The long-term proposition is, yes, Leonard Garcia is a good example.

00:57:18.000 There's no way.

00:57:22.000 Plus you gotta remember the amount it takes on your brain.

00:57:25.000 Yeah, Leonard was just a wild motherfucker.

00:57:27.000 Fun to watch.

00:57:28.000 So down.

00:57:28.000 This one's gonna be wild.

00:57:29.000 Fuck yeah it is.

00:57:31.000 How do you say Buckwaltz, how do you say his name?

00:57:35.000 Let's just call him Jan.

00:57:36.000 Let's do this, Jan!

00:57:37.000 Jan, let's talk like we're in English.

00:57:39.000 Jan went to the barber and said, can I just get that Chuck Liddell?

00:57:42.000 Is there any way you can just give me the Chuck Liddell?

00:57:45.000 Jan Blakovic.

00:57:47.000 Damn.

00:57:49.000 Jan's beat some good guys, man.

00:57:50.000 You gotta remember, he beat that Latifi.

00:57:52.000 You remember Latifi?

00:57:53.000 Has Manawa fought since he fought Gustafson?

00:57:56.000 Nope.

00:57:57.000 This is his first fight.

00:57:58.000 He said he's been working a lot of stuff.

00:58:00.000 Eating that jab.

00:58:00.000 Hard jab by Jan.

00:58:02.000 Hard jab.

00:58:04.000 Need a few more of those.

00:58:05.000 Jan too, hometown.

00:58:06.000 He's fought here before.

00:58:08.000 I don't know, man.

00:58:09.000 I like his chances, although he's the underdog.

00:58:11.000 A good fucking jab is one of the most underrated weapons, man.

00:58:14.000 And the UFC, I think it's still the most underutilized tool.

00:58:19.000 Even more than kicks?

00:58:20.000 Yeah, I think kicks are definitely underutilized as well, but man, there's something about a jab.

00:58:24.000 It's so quick and effective.

00:58:26.000 Look at Musashi.

00:58:27.000 Look at GSP. Yeah, if you've got a real good jab, you can really disrupt a guy striking.

00:58:33.000 Now, would you say Yen's stiff?

00:58:36.000 No, I like the way he's throwing that jab, man.

00:58:36.000 Do that.

00:58:39.000 I love the jab.

00:58:40.000 I feel like Jimmy's a little more loose.

00:58:40.000 I like the jab.

00:58:42.000 Oh, look at that left hook.

00:58:43.000 Look at that Manoa left hook.

00:58:44.000 That was pretty.

00:58:46.000 That left hook to the liver was nice.

00:58:50.000 Ooh.

00:58:52.000 That's the thing about Manoa, man.

00:58:54.000 The amount of impact he puts on shit.

00:58:57.000 Yeah, super explosive.

00:58:58.000 Very exciting to watch.

00:59:00.000 Motherfucker can pop.

00:59:03.000 Like I said, though, you get to those higher levels, man.

00:59:05.000 Look at that knee to the body.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, I mean, look, Gustafson got him.

00:59:09.000 That was a good fight.

00:59:10.000 Gustafson showed what he's made of in that fight.

00:59:12.000 This is like Gustafson and Anthony Rumble Johnson stuff going back and forth on Twitter.

00:59:17.000 The headbutt?

00:59:18.000 Well, no, it wasn't even that.

00:59:20.000 A lot of people have brought that up, though.

00:59:22.000 You absolutely positive that it was a headbutt?

00:59:24.000 When you watch the tape, yes.

00:59:26.000 Yeah.

00:59:27.000 I want to watch it again.

00:59:28.000 I'd like them to fight again, though.

00:59:30.000 It seemed to me like it was definitely a headbutt.

00:59:32.000 That's what it seemed like.

00:59:33.000 But still, I would like to watch it again.

00:59:35.000 Before I would say, you know, oh, it was a headbutt.

00:59:38.000 It was one of those ones where he was throwing the right hand at the same time.

00:59:41.000 Yeah.

00:59:42.000 So I don't know what landed first.

00:59:44.000 Man, when you watch the tape in slow motion, it looks like the head does land first.

00:59:47.000 But either way, he beat him.

00:59:49.000 I don't give a shit, headbutt or not.

00:59:50.000 Yeah, and the right hand did land behind the headbutt.

00:59:53.000 It did land.

00:59:54.000 Yeah, so who knows?

00:59:55.000 It's a question of which one fucked him up first.

00:59:58.000 The headbutt definitely, if he did crack into him, which I believe he probably did, it looks like from the angle, it's not one of those definite ones.

01:00:05.000 You know, where you could see absolutely side-on.

01:00:08.000 Have you seen it?

01:00:08.000 You could see the heads collide.

01:00:09.000 Have you seen it?

01:00:10.000 Yeah, it's pretty good.

01:00:11.000 It's definitely a headbutt.

01:00:12.000 We'll watch it again.

01:00:13.000 Did you hear Alexander said he wanted to retire after that fight?

01:00:16.000 Hey man, it's a tough loss.

01:00:16.000 Yeah.

01:00:18.000 In front of your hometown, home country like that.

01:00:20.000 Tough loss.

01:00:21.000 I can't wait to see him and Glover fight next.

01:00:23.000 That's a good fight.

01:00:24.000 It's a good fight and both guys need it.

01:00:24.000 Great fight.

01:00:26.000 And Glover is, you know, I usually walk around like 230, 240?

01:00:30.000 220. That's good, yeah.

01:00:30.000 Mm-hmm.

01:00:32.000 It's 220 right now.

01:00:33.000 Well, he realized in that last fight that he just didn't have the gas tank to deal with Phil Davis.

01:00:39.000 And he also trained in, like, Connecticut in a garage.

01:00:42.000 Mm-hmm.

01:00:43.000 Yeah.

01:00:44.000 I think that's all he had available.

01:00:47.000 Is it?

01:00:48.000 Yeah, he had to stay.

01:00:50.000 He had to stay in town.

01:00:51.000 Really?

01:00:51.000 This one for some reason.

01:00:52.000 I think it might have had something to do with family or something like that.

01:00:54.000 Makes sense.

01:00:55.000 Yeah, I think that was the story behind it.

01:00:56.000 So he put together his own crew down there of good guys, but you know what, man?

01:01:01.000 I mean, how many dudes, I don't have to tell you, how many dudes don't have someone managing their training?

01:01:05.000 How many dudes don't have someone who's like a Mark Henry type dude?

01:01:09.000 96% of the UFC. Yeah, 96%.

01:01:12.000 I think that's the right number.

01:01:13.000 The main event in this, Gabriel Gonzaga, a guy who just has trained out of Team Link.

01:01:20.000 He's the fucking Link.

01:01:21.000 He's the biggest dog in the gym.

01:01:23.000 Who knows the potential he could have had if he went to Greg Jackson's or American Top Team.

01:01:28.000 I agree.

01:01:29.000 But he stays in Boston.

01:01:30.000 Well, he's got a family.

01:01:32.000 I get all that.

01:01:34.000 Convenience.

01:01:35.000 I know what you're saying.

01:01:36.000 But you know what, man?

01:01:37.000 When Randy Couture beat him, he beat him when he was in his total prime.

01:01:42.000 That was when Gonzaga was in his prime.

01:01:45.000 And Randy just took it to him.

01:01:49.000 Even Gonzaga out of his prime is a fucking beast, man.

01:01:52.000 He's been knocking a lot of dudes out.

01:01:54.000 That was the scaredest I've ever been for a fight, hands down.

01:01:57.000 I was so scared.

01:01:58.000 Really?

01:01:59.000 Terrified.

01:02:00.000 Wow.

01:02:01.000 Just because of the power?

01:02:02.000 The power.

01:02:03.000 World champion jiu-jitsu.

01:02:05.000 You know, he's knocked out some fucking monster.

01:02:08.000 Crow Cop.

01:02:08.000 He's been in there against the best.

01:02:10.000 That Crow Cop knockout was terrifying.

01:02:12.000 That was the scaredest I've ever been.

01:02:14.000 Wow.

01:02:15.000 I wish I could find that again.

01:02:17.000 Gotta be honest.

01:02:18.000 For reals.

01:02:19.000 I'm not scared anymore.

01:02:21.000 Do you think that's just because you've had so many experiences?

01:02:23.000 Yes.

01:02:24.000 And in the training room, I go against scary dudes all the time.

01:02:27.000 So when I fight, I'm not as scared.

01:02:29.000 It's not good, man.

01:02:30.000 There's nothing like that fear of God in you to make you...

01:02:32.000 Wow.

01:02:33.000 So, yeah, I see what you're saying.

01:02:35.000 It becomes almost too confident or too comfortable.

01:02:38.000 Yeah, I've been too comfortable.

01:02:39.000 There you go.

01:02:40.000 Jimmy Mano was throwing some nasty kicks, dude.

01:02:42.000 Yeah, he is.

01:02:42.000 A lot of good power behind those kicks.

01:02:44.000 That was a good round.

01:02:45.000 Give it to Jimmy.

01:02:48.000 Yeah, I hear what you're saying about Gonzaga.

01:02:51.000 Goddamn talented, huh?

01:02:53.000 Fuck!

01:02:54.000 What?

01:02:54.000 And he's really worked on his boxing his last few fights, and I think that could be a really interesting aspect in this fight.

01:02:59.000 No, Gonzaga, you're a world champ.

01:03:01.000 Take him down, submit him, my man.

01:03:05.000 Gonzaga on top of you is some of the best jiu-jitsu in the UFC, man.

01:03:08.000 Why do you think he abandoned that and just decided to bang?

01:03:12.000 You think it was because of wrestlers?

01:03:15.000 No, he took Shane Carwin down.

01:03:16.000 If you remember that, he was kind of whooping Shane's ass.

01:03:19.000 Yeah, it was 40 seconds, but he took Shane down, rocked him, took him down, and Shane got up and said, oh, cool story.

01:03:24.000 Boom, jab, knocked you out.

01:03:26.000 Well, he got a little careless.

01:03:27.000 He had Shane hurt, and he got careless, and he ran into a short punch that just kicked the fucking generator down the street.

01:03:36.000 I was like, oh my god.

01:03:37.000 Bang!

01:03:37.000 It was a generator tumbling down the street with a cord following behind it.

01:03:44.000 That's what happened to his brain with that right hand connected.

01:03:47.000 I also think Gonzaga has a mental issue with cardio.

01:03:50.000 So when you want to grapple a wrestler guy, especially in the UFC at this point, it's going to take a lot of energy.

01:03:56.000 A lot of energy, man.

01:03:57.000 I think he's worried about that.

01:03:58.000 Dude, Shane Carwin is probably the last guy you want to get hit with a short punch from.

01:04:04.000 Ever.

01:04:05.000 Ever in the history of fighting.

01:04:07.000 You guys fucking...

01:04:08.000 They don't make him like Shane, man.

01:04:10.000 There's still build on that fucker.

01:04:12.000 He's just so ridiculous.

01:04:14.000 So much power.

01:04:15.000 And pretty loose with his fucking hands.

01:04:18.000 Fuck, yeah.

01:04:18.000 Shane was an athlete, man.

01:04:19.000 Like that Frank Mir KO? Jesus fucking Louisus.

01:04:22.000 I'll never forget that.

01:04:23.000 Frank Mir's corn's going...

01:04:24.000 He's not doing shit here, just rest.

01:04:26.000 I'm like, rest?

01:04:27.000 Shane has an underhook.

01:04:28.000 He has an underhook and he's smashing uppercuts through with fucking ferocious intention.

01:04:35.000 That was some of the best striking from the clinch in the heavyweight division I've ever seen.

01:04:40.000 That one fight.

01:04:41.000 I don't think there's...

01:04:43.000 No, I don't think there's any other heavyweight who can hit like Shane from an underhook with that much power.

01:04:49.000 Name someone who's knocking dudes out like that.

01:04:50.000 No, he hits you so fucking hard, and he's fast and loose even for a big giant dude.

01:04:55.000 And his leverage.

01:04:56.000 Yeah, and he throws perfect punches.

01:04:58.000 I mean, those are perfect power punches.

01:04:59.000 All Shane did is box.

01:05:00.000 That's it.

01:05:01.000 I think his deal, Shane's deal, unfortunately, in the UFC will always have been the injuries that he sustained before he got to the UFC. 100%.

01:05:09.000 It's too bad because he was a real goddamn freak.

01:05:11.000 A real freak.

01:05:13.000 Best I've ever seen.

01:05:14.000 I've seen a lot of guys.

01:05:15.000 Shane in his prime when he's getting ready for Gonzaga is the best fighter I've ever seen.

01:05:19.000 I've seen a lot of dudes, man.

01:05:21.000 That's strong words.

01:05:23.000 Goddamn, dude.

01:05:24.000 That's strong words.

01:05:25.000 Oh, and he's a fucking engineer.

01:05:27.000 He's like a superhero.

01:05:28.000 Yeah, he's smart as shit.

01:05:30.000 He's like a fucking thick Professor X, man.

01:05:32.000 When I hear about a dude like that, that's, you know, the back issues just ultimately ended it, and you think about all the hits that he probably took in football, and you could erase those and see a guy like that compete without coming in already fucked up to a certain extent.

01:05:46.000 And wrestling, though, too.

01:05:47.000 Wrestling, he said.

01:05:48.000 That took a lot out of him, too.

01:05:50.000 Yeah, man.

01:05:50.000 Gotta imagine.

01:05:51.000 He's wrestling these big, giant motherfuckers.

01:05:53.000 What do you think of Todd Duffy, Frank Mayer?

01:05:56.000 Todd Duffy's a beast, man.

01:05:58.000 Todd Duffy throws some fucking heat, too.

01:06:01.000 Todd Duffy's a beast.

01:06:02.000 Todd Duffy and I were training partners for a while.

01:06:04.000 I like Todd.

01:06:05.000 Todd's biggest problem has always been himself.

01:06:08.000 His mind.

01:06:09.000 If he's tentative against Frank, he's gonna get destroyed.

01:06:12.000 If Todd Duffy performs like he does in the training room, Todd Duffy's probably gonna be fighting for a title next year.

01:06:18.000 Wow.

01:06:19.000 Strong words.

01:06:20.000 I also exaggerate everybody.

01:06:22.000 No, for reals though, anyone who's ever trained with Todd, ask DC, ask Kane, he's been at AKA, ask everyone down in Florida at ATT. He's been in Denver, he's been to fucking every gym in America.

01:06:34.000 But if Todd performs like he does in the training room, he's a fucking nightmare.

01:06:38.000 But when you see him in the octagon, it's just not there yet.

01:06:41.000 I hear you, man.

01:06:42.000 That makes sense.

01:06:43.000 You know, if you look at some of his finest moments, the Anthony Hamilton fight, goddamn, he throws some fucking fast power punches still.

01:06:51.000 Anthony Hamilton's not gonna fucking, you know?

01:06:51.000 For sure.

01:06:54.000 Yeah, Anthony Hamilton's a big boy, too.

01:06:57.000 Those were crisp punches.

01:06:58.000 Yeah, they were.

01:06:59.000 Straight down the pipe.

01:07:00.000 Yeah.

01:07:00.000 Anthony just ate them.

01:07:02.000 Mm-hmm.

01:07:02.000 Which you can't do at heavyweight.

01:07:03.000 Well, Frank Mir, how about that fucking jab, left hook?

01:07:06.000 He landed on Bigfoot.

01:07:08.000 Frank Mir looked fucking nasty.

01:07:09.000 It looked loose.

01:07:10.000 There's never been a fight that Frank's fought besides Shane Carwin where I don't root for Frank Mir.

01:07:14.000 What he's done for the sport, I root for him every single time.

01:07:16.000 And he switched his stance.

01:07:18.000 Now he's fighting...

01:07:19.000 Traditional.

01:07:20.000 He used to be southpaw, traditional.

01:07:21.000 He threw that faint jab, left hook, knocked Bigfoot out.

01:07:25.000 Yeah.

01:07:25.000 Bigfoot's a fucking nightmare, man.

01:07:27.000 Do you wonder though?

01:07:28.000 I mean, Bigfoot went down pretty quick against Orlovsky, and he went down pretty quick against Frank Mir, and we know for a fact that Bigfoot, if anybody needs testosterone replacement therapy, it's Bigfoot.

01:07:39.000 I agree.

01:07:39.000 Bigfoot has a legit tumor on his pituitary gland.

01:07:43.000 Apparently, according to the interviews that he's done, he would have to get surgery, and he's going to eventually get surgery to have it removed.

01:07:51.000 You know, but his testosterone is not like normal persons.

01:07:55.000 You can't fight in the UFC then, man.

01:07:56.000 I hate to be shitty about it because I love Bigfoot.

01:07:58.000 He's one of the nicest guys.

01:07:59.000 He's one of the nicest guys.

01:08:00.000 But if you require that and you can't fight in the UFC. Right.

01:08:02.000 Because I want the same shit you're taking then.

01:08:04.000 Right.

01:08:04.000 That's a good point.

01:08:05.000 I need a bigger head.

01:08:05.000 That's a good point.

01:08:06.000 Give me the same shit you're taking.

01:08:08.000 But you would have to, if you were going to do that, if you're going to let people do it, you would have to be monitoring them all times of the day to make sure they're not putting superhuman levels in, and then everybody would have a level of testosterone they're allowed to achieve.

01:08:22.000 Never going to happen.

01:08:23.000 Maybe you wear a fucking iWatch.

01:08:25.000 Yeah, right?

01:08:25.000 It reports back to the UFC headquarters.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, it checks in every day.

01:08:29.000 I mean, that's not outside the realm of possibility.

01:08:30.000 They have watches that tell your fucking heartbeat now.

01:08:32.000 It's true.

01:08:33.000 It's kind of a good idea.

01:08:34.000 If they could figure out a way to test your testosterone, maybe just point your camera at your dick every day and it would know just by the way the dick's moving.

01:08:41.000 But then your testosterone goes up real high, right?

01:08:44.000 Like, if I'm a ladies man, I'm just destroying chicks.

01:08:46.000 I'm like, goddamn, Schaub's testosterone was like nine times high this day.

01:08:50.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:08:50.000 Right, that could be.

01:08:51.000 Yeah, if you could be around a bunch of pretty ladies.

01:08:54.000 Your body gears up.

01:08:54.000 Yeah, man.

01:08:56.000 I'm in L.A. Someone in Idaho is probably not the same, you know?

01:08:59.000 You know, they say that that's true.

01:09:01.000 That men around attractive women, like literally, their bodies produce more testosterone.

01:09:06.000 100%!

01:09:07.000 You know what else?

01:09:08.000 Engines.

01:09:09.000 Like a rumbling engine, like a V8, like your American muscle car.

01:09:13.000 For whatever reason, that makes your body produce more testosterone.

01:09:17.000 They have no idea why.

01:09:18.000 Because it sounds like a fucking dragon.

01:09:21.000 Manly.

01:09:24.000 War machine.

01:09:26.000 I don't mean war machine, a fighter.

01:09:29.000 Yeah, definitely not.

01:09:31.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:09:32.000 You think about things that actually make your body produce more hormones.

01:09:36.000 Hot chicks in cars, man.

01:09:38.000 What else?

01:09:39.000 What else?

01:09:40.000 Isn't it funny, though, that you're criticized for being a foolish person?

01:09:44.000 Oh, I know.

01:09:44.000 If you enjoy hot chicks and cars.

01:09:46.000 Yeah.

01:09:46.000 Oh, you.

01:09:47.000 Such a meathead.

01:09:48.000 You fool.

01:09:49.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:09:50.000 I'm sorry to my fucking DNA to love big-ass titties and Porsches.

01:09:54.000 My bad.

01:09:55.000 Yeah, you're sorry that you enjoy some of the most fun things ever.

01:09:59.000 Ever.

01:09:59.000 You're sorry.

01:10:00.000 Ever.

01:10:00.000 Because it makes you dumb.

01:10:01.000 Like, there cannot be one without the other.

01:10:03.000 No, man.

01:10:04.000 What's going on here?

01:10:05.000 How come they haven't begun their own yet?

01:10:08.000 Do-do-do-do.

01:10:11.000 Powerful UK. Here we go, round two.

01:10:18.000 Three.

01:10:19.000 Three?

01:10:20.000 Did I say two?

01:10:21.000 Yeah.

01:10:22.000 We didn't even talk about the second round.

01:10:23.000 We just talked about titties.

01:10:25.000 We did talk about titties and why we love them.

01:10:27.000 Not to judge us.

01:10:29.000 Jeez, man.

01:10:31.000 Yeah, it's funny that certain things are thought of to be for fools.

01:10:35.000 But cool cars are one of them, for whatever reason.

01:10:39.000 You're never going to see a science professional that drives a sick vet.

01:10:42.000 No, it's weird.

01:10:44.000 A sick vet and just have a girlfriend with a blowout ass.

01:10:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:10:49.000 I mean, Neil deGrasse Tyson's probably the closest.

01:10:52.000 But he would have to put on a mask when he was driving around a Corvette.

01:10:56.000 You know?

01:10:58.000 People wouldn't take him seriously if he was ballin' in a sweet Corvette.

01:11:02.000 Yeah, there's no college professors out there with Ferraris and girlfriends as big-ass dudes.

01:11:06.000 Isn't that interesting?

01:11:07.000 Einstein was a wild motherfucker.

01:11:08.000 He was like a rock star.

01:11:10.000 He...

01:11:11.000 That was pre-Twitter.

01:11:12.000 Yeah, before he got judged by everyone.

01:11:14.000 Oh, man.

01:11:15.000 He married his cousin.

01:11:17.000 That's pretty gangster.

01:11:19.000 That's pretty weird.

01:11:19.000 He had a first marriage, had a couple kids.

01:11:23.000 Wasn't that great of a father, according to this documentary.

01:11:25.000 And then ended up marrying his cousin, and she became like his manager, too.

01:11:29.000 And he was allowed to see anybody he wanted.

01:11:36.000 And she was cool with it.

01:11:37.000 Sounds awesome.

01:11:38.000 That's why he's the smartest guy ever.

01:11:40.000 What does his cousin look like?

01:11:41.000 She's shlubby.

01:11:43.000 She was shlubby.

01:11:43.000 Damn.

01:11:44.000 Really?

01:11:45.000 They just made a deal.

01:11:45.000 But they were...

01:11:46.000 It was a deal.

01:11:47.000 They made a deal.

01:11:48.000 So the deal was when girls would come over, they'd have to bring her chocolates.

01:11:55.000 That was a requirement.

01:11:56.000 That's it?

01:11:57.000 Chocolates.

01:11:58.000 Chocolates, now I'm going to go suck your man's dick.

01:11:59.000 And then they jump in the car and disappear for a couple days.

01:12:03.000 That's a good deal.

01:12:04.000 Einstein was a mad player.

01:12:06.000 Damn.

01:12:07.000 Damn, I did not know that.

01:12:09.000 Jimmy Maniwa.

01:12:10.000 I had no idea.

01:12:11.000 He was a rock star.

01:12:12.000 I like him even more.

01:12:15.000 I hate him even more.

01:12:21.000 Yeah, you know who's allowed to that are sort of scientists?

01:12:28.000 Well, they're not scientists, but they're super geniuses.

01:12:31.000 They're allowed to get those kind of cars.

01:12:34.000 It's like video game designers.

01:12:36.000 True.

01:12:37.000 Those super geniuses like the John Carmack type characters.

01:12:40.000 You know what that guy does in his spare time?

01:12:43.000 Just makes rockets.

01:12:43.000 Oh, nothing.

01:12:45.000 Really?

01:12:45.000 Yeah, makes his own rockets.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, he's the lead software guy, the lead designer, whatever, the lead computer genius at Quake, at id.

01:12:47.000 On the side?

01:12:55.000 Fuck, man.

01:12:56.000 At id Game Crea- I don't know what the actual name of the studio.

01:13:00.000 It's just id.

01:13:01.000 But they created Doom, they created Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3, Quake 4. Yeah, they made a bunch of fucking crazy games.

01:13:11.000 That John Carmack guy, in his spare time, he turbo charges Ferraris.

01:13:15.000 He takes a Ferrari and he's like, mmm, not strong enough.

01:13:18.000 Have a solution.

01:13:19.000 And he bolts gigantic turbochargers to Ferraris.

01:13:22.000 Good-looking dude, too?

01:13:24.000 He's not a bad-looking guy.

01:13:25.000 Really?

01:13:25.000 Yeah, he does judo too.

01:13:26.000 Shit!

01:13:27.000 Yeah, judo, jiu-jitsu.

01:13:28.000 Does he live in LA? No, he lives in Dallas, Texas.

01:13:30.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

01:13:31.000 He's a legit super genius.

01:13:33.000 Like, you know, I have a dull mind, as it were, but when I talk to, like, legit super geniuses, I'm usually okay.

01:13:39.000 Like, I can talk to them about things.

01:13:40.000 But when I'm with Carmack, I'm like, don't make mistakes.

01:13:43.000 Stay on road.

01:13:45.000 It's like, just nervous.

01:13:47.000 Totally nervous.

01:13:48.000 Say the wrong word.

01:13:49.000 Don't talk about shit you don't know.

01:13:51.000 Yeah.

01:13:53.000 Stay in your lane.

01:13:54.000 Don't pretend you know some shit, bro.

01:13:56.000 Stay in your fucking lane.

01:13:57.000 Like if you're on a motorcycle and you're following a guy who's a motorcycle racer and you're trying to keep up with him and you know you shouldn't be driving this fast.

01:14:05.000 Just be the student and ask questions.

01:14:09.000 Ask questions.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, man.

01:14:10.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:14:11.000 Don't try to make statements.

01:14:12.000 Well, he would talk about programming and he would talk about code and coding.

01:14:16.000 How old is he?

01:14:17.000 Carmack?

01:14:18.000 It's a good question.

01:14:19.000 Is he like a Doogie Howser kid genius?

01:14:22.000 I believe he's like 40 now, because Quake has been around for a long time.

01:14:27.000 I mean, they created Quake, I think, in the early 90s.

01:14:31.000 I don't remember what year it was.

01:14:33.000 Would you rather be a super athlete like Michael Jordan or a straight fucking genius like an Einstein or your boy at Quake?

01:14:40.000 See, I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

01:14:42.000 I think that the only way...

01:14:43.000 Really?

01:14:44.000 I think genetically, I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

01:14:46.000 I think it's very possible that you can get a guy who has the physical talents of Michael Jordan and has an insanely powerful brain.

01:14:52.000 It's totally possible.

01:14:54.000 You can have both.

01:14:55.000 No, it's not true.

01:14:55.000 Which guy?

01:14:56.000 Who in the history?

01:14:57.000 It's possible.

01:14:59.000 But the thing is, in order to have that much knowledge in your head and that much data bouncing around your head, you're not going to be in the gym and you're never going to reach that level.

01:15:08.000 There's one or the other in terms of what you focus your attention on.

01:15:12.000 But in terms of having the brain that has the capacity to reach super genius levels, I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

01:15:19.000 Wow.

01:15:19.000 I'm just guessing.

01:15:20.000 See, I think you're wrong.

01:15:21.000 Do you take the hundred smartest guys in the world...

01:15:25.000 Not very good athletes.

01:15:26.000 What do you think they would look like?

01:15:28.000 You take the hundred smartest guys in the world.

01:15:30.000 They look like Mr. Burns.

01:15:31.000 Low hit.

01:15:32.000 They look like Mr. Burns.

01:15:33.000 They look like shit.

01:15:33.000 Is that it?

01:15:35.000 That was the end of the fight.

01:15:37.000 I thought it was a low shot.

01:15:38.000 I thought they were separating him.

01:15:39.000 That was a war.

01:15:40.000 I didn't think that one was going to be a decision.

01:15:41.000 Jan Blakovic is a tough motherfucker.

01:15:43.000 Did I say his name right?

01:15:46.000 It's going to be tough for Jimmy to get a decision win.

01:15:50.000 In Jan's hometown?

01:15:51.000 I think the UFC probably brought...

01:15:53.000 Polish commission?

01:15:55.000 Is it a Polish commission?

01:15:56.000 I would imagine, because they have big promotions out there.

01:15:58.000 Was it K-something?

01:16:00.000 It's a big promotion that Jan was a previous champ of.

01:16:03.000 How do you say, Blakowicz?

01:16:05.000 Blakowicz?

01:16:06.000 Blakowicz.

01:16:07.000 He's tough as fuck, dude.

01:16:08.000 That guy can take a beating.

01:16:10.000 That was a good fight.

01:16:12.000 He's going to feel that one tomorrow.

01:16:15.000 As is Manawa.

01:16:16.000 Not too bad.

01:16:17.000 Yeah, not too bad.

01:16:18.000 But I mean, a lot of shots to the body.

01:16:20.000 Manawa throws those nasty knees to the body, man.

01:16:28.000 We weren't watching the second round close enough.

01:16:29.000 No, we weren't to judge it.

01:16:31.000 Because we were talking all kinds of shit about booties and Mustangs and shit.

01:16:34.000 And geniuses.

01:16:36.000 Corvettes.

01:16:36.000 Einstein.

01:16:37.000 That Lazar, that Bob Lazar guy.

01:16:39.000 Remember that guy?

01:16:40.000 That guy had a Corvette that was hydrogen powered.

01:16:44.000 He made it hydrogen powered.

01:16:46.000 He took a Corvette and converted the engine to run on hydrogen.

01:16:46.000 Damn.

01:16:50.000 What a crazy story it is.

01:16:51.000 Because of either way, what he's saying is...

01:16:56.000 An incredible story.

01:16:57.000 Either he's telling the truth or if he's lying, he's one of the greatest actors.

01:17:01.000 He's so smart.

01:17:03.000 You've got to be able to fake some genius shit.

01:17:05.000 Do you know about it?

01:17:07.000 No.

01:17:08.000 Eddie, explain.

01:17:09.000 Tell them what Bob Lazar is.

01:17:10.000 You're better at explaining that shit than I am.

01:17:12.000 What's Bob done?

01:17:13.000 Bob Lazar was a former scientist, according to him, was a former scientist.

01:17:17.000 He worked at Area 51. They brought him in because he was a scientist and because he knew a lot about propulsion systems and theoretical propulsion systems.

01:17:28.000 He's like, I guess he's a physicist or something like that.

01:17:30.000 I don't know what his background is as far as his education.

01:17:33.000 Because it's in dispute.

01:17:34.000 There's a lot of people that say that he fudged his education.

01:17:36.000 He says he's full of shit.

01:17:37.000 Who knows?

01:17:38.000 However, this guy says that he was working in Area 51. And he was working on something.

01:17:44.000 They brought him in to back engineer a UFO. They brought him in and they took him to some...

01:17:50.000 This is him right here.

01:17:51.000 They took him to some hangar...

01:17:53.000 I bet that guy gets mad chicks.

01:17:55.000 Well, dude, it's not about that.

01:17:57.000 What I'm saying is this dude was working on what they were explaining to him, nothing.

01:18:03.000 But what he believed over time was that what he was working on was back-engineering a UFO from another world.

01:18:11.000 Damn, do you believe him?

01:18:12.000 He is the most convincing of all the people that have ever heard discussed these things.

01:18:19.000 Really?

01:18:19.000 The most convincing.

01:18:20.000 He breaks it all down.

01:18:22.000 He breaks down anti-gravity and how it works and everything.

01:18:24.000 He doesn't seem like an idiot at all.

01:18:26.000 He definitely seems like a fucking very, very, very intelligent dude.

01:18:30.000 He doesn't seem like he's lying.

01:18:31.000 Has he wrote lots of books?

01:18:33.000 No, I don't believe so.

01:18:34.000 I don't know how many books he's wrote.

01:18:35.000 But I'm too dumb to know whether or not he's stupid.

01:18:38.000 I don't know.

01:18:38.000 Me too.

01:18:39.000 Like, I'm too dumb.

01:18:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:41.000 Like, he sounds right, but it could be like some martial arts guy that's talking all kinds of mad nonsense about what his, you know, his chi gong is gonna do to you if you get near him.

01:18:50.000 And if you're not in that world, you're like, shit, son!

01:18:52.000 Yeah, my friend knows a guy with a chi gong.

01:18:54.000 Fucking put it on your chest, man.

01:18:56.000 That's where we're at right now.

01:18:57.000 There's guys that believe that.

01:18:59.000 So, and if someone speaks well enough, we sort of, like, assume they know what the fuck they're talking about.

01:19:05.000 And I listen to him talk, and he sounds like he knows what the fuck he's talking about.

01:19:08.000 It's a very compelling story.

01:19:09.000 Has he made any money off saying any of this?

01:19:11.000 I'm sure he has.

01:19:12.000 I would imagine.

01:19:13.000 If you really want to get into it, you would have to Google it, because I haven't really read about it in about seven or eight years.

01:19:21.000 I kind of put it behind me.

01:19:22.000 I kind of decided somewhere along the line there was no fruit in this pursuit, because they couldn't figure out whether or not he had lied about his educational background.

01:19:30.000 They couldn't figure out whether or not he had actually worked for the government.

01:19:35.000 It should be easy, right?

01:19:37.000 Well, they found out that he did work for one of the labs that he said he worked for.

01:19:41.000 He worked for, like, Los Alamos.

01:19:44.000 They did find out that that was true.

01:19:46.000 So how the fuck did he get that job if he didn't have, like, a super high-level education?

01:19:50.000 But who knows what the fuck he was doing there when he was working there?

01:19:52.000 True.

01:19:53.000 People that are, like, real scientists have a lot of doubts about all the shit that he said.

01:19:58.000 That's pretty much enough for me.

01:19:59.000 But if I just want to have fun...

01:20:02.000 I want to pretend that it's true.

01:20:04.000 If I want to pretend, because it is fun to pretend it's some fucking dude.

01:20:07.000 And there's so much footage of him being interviewed and explaining how it all works.

01:20:14.000 He's an amazing actor if he's full of shit.

01:20:16.000 I'm just too stupid to understand it.

01:20:17.000 He could easily be full of shit, but fuck, this guy's good.

01:20:21.000 He's super smart.

01:20:23.000 It sounds like he knows what he's talking about when he's discussing anti-gravity, but who the fuck knows?

01:20:28.000 But when you say all these other scientists are coming out, man, this dude's full of shit.

01:20:31.000 Well, when I say that, like Stanton Friedman, he's probably a bit of a hater, but he makes some good points, man.

01:20:38.000 When you say you graduated from, fill in the blank, MIT, whatever it is, you should be able to display a degree.

01:20:45.000 Do you have a degree?

01:20:46.000 Are you on their records?

01:20:47.000 And if you're not on their records, and if you can't display a degree, then Then I have to dispute everything you've said.

01:20:53.000 If you're lying about a degree.

01:20:53.000 I agree.

01:20:55.000 But is it possible that, especially we're talking about something a long time ago, is it possible that someone could go back to the records at that school and scrub him from the records?

01:21:05.000 Come on, man.

01:21:06.000 Here's why it's not possible.

01:21:08.000 Yearbooks.

01:21:09.000 True.

01:21:10.000 Someone produced a yearbook.

01:21:11.000 Why wouldn't one of just his classmates be like, yeah, I was in class with him.

01:21:14.000 Yeah.

01:21:15.000 Someone would come out and be like, I was in class with that fucking dork.

01:21:17.000 Yeah, well, he should be able to name his professors.

01:21:19.000 Exactly.

01:21:20.000 And he can't, huh?

01:21:21.000 I don't know.

01:21:23.000 I'm calling bullshit.

01:21:24.000 Yeah, from what I have read, I would say he hasn't, but who knows how much of what I've read is the truth or what Eddie was saying.

01:21:31.000 Because I know if I graduate from Harvard, I have a fucking Harvard shirt on right now.

01:21:35.000 You guys would hear about it non-stop.

01:21:37.000 Do you ever hear the Eliza Schlesinger story about Yale?

01:21:40.000 No, she's a friend of mine, though.

01:21:42.000 Google it.

01:21:44.000 Eliza Schlesinger.

01:21:44.000 She's a friend of mine, though.

01:21:45.000 No, no, no, it's not bad for her.

01:21:47.000 She dated this guy that was pretending he was from Yale.

01:21:49.000 Oh, she did tell me this story on the podcast.

01:21:51.000 Holy shit, it's ridiculous.

01:21:52.000 She got catfished, and the dude said he was from Yale.

01:21:55.000 Not just catfished.

01:21:56.000 Like this dude made up a story about his mom having cancer.

01:21:59.000 This dude made up his job.

01:22:01.000 House.

01:22:02.000 Made up his house.

01:22:03.000 Made up that he was rich when he's really like $100,000 in debt.

01:22:08.000 Yeah.

01:22:08.000 He wasn't even broke.

01:22:10.000 He made a Facebook profile or what?

01:22:11.000 I don't know what he did.

01:22:13.000 It really wasn't even a catfish.

01:22:14.000 He's just a fucking compulsive liar.

01:22:15.000 And then he got a credit card to take her out to like fancy dinners and shit.

01:22:18.000 But he racked up all this money on a credit card where he didn't have the money.

01:22:22.000 Dude, he was on an airplane with her.

01:22:24.000 Guy's a hero in my book.

01:22:27.000 Just kidding.

01:22:28.000 Well, she's not dumb, which is really weird.

01:22:31.000 Hell no, she's a sharp girl.

01:22:32.000 Well, that's what's really weird about it.

01:22:34.000 It's like, how did you get caught with this?

01:22:36.000 I mean, I guess, this seems like so many lies.

01:22:40.000 You didn't get tripped up anywhere?

01:22:41.000 I mean, what was he telling the truth about?

01:22:44.000 She said, though, he would lie about his mom being sick or dying, and so she didn't want to get too into it.

01:22:50.000 So it was like almost a wall.

01:22:51.000 No, it totally makes sense.

01:22:52.000 You know, like you don't want to dive into someone's mom dying.

01:22:55.000 The guy was smart.

01:22:55.000 Right, but...

01:22:56.000 But people were full of shit.

01:22:58.000 I mean, how good was this guy in regular conversation?

01:23:01.000 Must've been great.

01:23:02.000 Raphael Torrey.

01:23:04.000 Rafael Tori, Eddie Bravo, and I both have a story about a guy that was completely full of shit.

01:23:10.000 He was a fake black belt.

01:23:12.000 That's awesome.

01:23:13.000 A total fake black belt.

01:23:15.000 And when Eddie first introduced me to him, he was a reporter for websites.

01:23:20.000 He was going and doing the early MMA reporting.

01:23:23.000 And he would do like gonzo journalist questions, I think.

01:23:26.000 They were describing it as like you would ask dudes if they like fucking girls in the butt like weird weird weird questions and He was telling everybody that he was a black belt in jujitsu and then Eddie rolled with him and Eddie was like man, I don't know I mean maybe he's just like going really light No,

01:23:42.000 no, he was smart.

01:23:43.000 He was smart.

01:23:43.000 He said that he was half Brazilian, half Italian.

01:23:47.000 And his dad, who's Brazilian, was a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

01:23:52.000 And that he knew all the old guys, but he came from the Judo side.

01:23:55.000 So he was smart.

01:23:56.000 He said, we were more Judo guys.

01:23:57.000 We were old school Jiu-Jitsu than my dad gave me a black belt when I was 18 or whatever.

01:24:02.000 And we're not as good as like nowadays.

01:24:04.000 Jiu-Jitsu is so complex and so evolved.

01:24:06.000 We're not that good.

01:24:07.000 I'll admit that.

01:24:08.000 I'm a black belt.

01:24:09.000 I'm a black belt, but I'm old school black belt.

01:24:11.000 So he was smart.

01:24:13.000 So it was believable.

01:24:14.000 I bet he was so nervous when he had to roll with you.

01:24:16.000 Did you roll with him too, Joe?

01:24:17.000 No, I never rolled with him.

01:24:18.000 I wasn't really good friends with him.

01:24:19.000 Eddie was.

01:24:20.000 I mean, you weren't even good friends with him.

01:24:22.000 But I only hung out with him.

01:24:23.000 We worked together.

01:24:23.000 On what?

01:24:24.000 He was a writer for...

01:24:28.000 The Underground.

01:24:29.000 Oh, gotcha.

01:24:29.000 The UG? Yeah, for the UG. And he was always at shows that I would commentate, like King of the Cage.

01:24:34.000 Is he still a writer for him?

01:24:36.000 He's in jail.

01:24:36.000 No.

01:24:37.000 He's in jail for murder.

01:24:38.000 This is where it gets really crazy.

01:24:40.000 This really escalated.

01:24:40.000 Oh, dude.

01:24:41.000 This is where it gets really crazy.

01:24:43.000 So, I'll take you back to when Eddie exposed him.

01:24:47.000 And Eddie, we were driving back from, like, King of the Cage?

01:24:51.000 Where were we driving back from?

01:24:52.000 One of those MMA fights way out in the middle of nowhere.

01:24:56.000 It wasn't that I exposed him.

01:24:58.000 Well, he was already exposed.

01:25:00.000 Yeah, he was already exposed.

01:25:01.000 I was the last one.

01:25:02.000 You know, dudes pulled me to the side and said this and that.

01:25:07.000 I mean, in a phone call to his face.

01:25:10.000 Yes.

01:25:11.000 I mean, you basically, you confronted him.

01:25:15.000 Yes.

01:25:16.000 It was pretty intense.

01:25:16.000 I asked him about it.

01:25:17.000 Yeah.

01:25:18.000 But it was a pretty intense call.

01:25:19.000 We were driving.

01:25:20.000 I was driving, and Eddie was right next to me.

01:25:22.000 I was like, oh.

01:25:23.000 At a Yukon Denali at the time.

01:25:26.000 I barely remember the conversation.

01:25:28.000 I barely remember.

01:25:29.000 I was like, oh shit.

01:25:31.000 Oh shit.

01:25:34.000 Yeah, you were going, dude, dude, dude, stop lying to me.

01:25:36.000 Stop lying to me.

01:25:37.000 Really?

01:25:38.000 You are not a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

01:25:40.000 Did he admit it?

01:25:41.000 Dude, you are...

01:25:42.000 Listen to me.

01:25:43.000 You're a fucking liar.

01:25:43.000 Dude, listen to me.

01:25:45.000 You're lying.

01:25:46.000 Damn, Eddie went hard on him.

01:25:47.000 You're lying.

01:25:48.000 You're not a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

01:25:50.000 Do you know how crazy it is that you tell me you're a black belt in jiu-jitsu?

01:25:55.000 It was pretty crazy and you could hear him like stammering and stuttering.

01:26:01.000 For sure put that on speakerphone.

01:26:03.000 I wish I could remember all the shit that you said, but you broke it down in an undeniable way.

01:26:09.000 So then he killed a guy.

01:26:11.000 You're a crazy person.

01:26:12.000 Eddie Bravo cuts the guy off.

01:26:14.000 He cuts him off, and then our friend Gerald Streben, who was Eddie's first black belt, right?

01:26:21.000 No, Denny Probogos was your first black belt.

01:26:24.000 Gerald Streben was my first Before I even had a school, he was my first student that did MMA. Before, there was no thought of Tenth Planet.

01:26:35.000 I was just showing Gerald Streep in some jujitsu.

01:26:38.000 I was commentator for King of the Cage, and that's how I met Gerald.

01:26:40.000 He was...

01:26:43.000 Raphael's student.

01:26:44.000 Crazy.

01:26:45.000 Okay, so Eddie comes and teaches him some real shit, has a bunch of real fights.

01:26:51.000 He gets contacted by this guy because the guy wants him to kill his girlfriend's husband.

01:27:00.000 He tells Gerald he wants him to kill his girlfriend's husband.

01:27:02.000 He's gonna give him a certain amount of money.

01:27:03.000 Gerald's like, what the fuck?

01:27:05.000 So Gerald goes to the cops.

01:27:07.000 No, Gerald goes to the cops after he killed himself.

01:27:09.000 The guy killed himself, choked him.

01:27:11.000 Apparently, like, had him come meet him at the gym, choked him to death, killed him, and then was seen driving around in his car.

01:27:17.000 What a dumbass.

01:27:18.000 Dude, it's crazy.

01:27:20.000 Maybe he was a little.

01:27:20.000 Driving around in homeboy's car.

01:27:22.000 Well, I don't think so.

01:27:23.000 You don't have to be to know how to rear naked choke somebody.

01:27:25.000 You know, you sneak up behind some fucking fat ass who doesn't work out at all, and you get a hold of his neck.

01:27:30.000 I mean, he wasn't, like, completely inept as a martial artist.

01:27:35.000 You know, he's like kind of an amateur martial artist.

01:27:37.000 There's some videos of him throwing a spinning back kick on a pad.

01:27:41.000 They're kind of hilarious.

01:27:42.000 It's kind of hilarious.

01:27:44.000 It really is like, you know, you getting a hold of Duncan and teaching Duncan some spinning back kicks for a couple weeks and then having him hit the pad.

01:27:51.000 It's fucking...

01:27:52.000 It's fucking preposterous.

01:27:54.000 Well, what's weird is this guy's been lying the whole time that he kills a guy with a jiu-jitsu move.

01:27:58.000 This is where it gets crazy.

01:27:59.000 He kills a guy, and then he gives Gerald a gun to bury.

01:28:03.000 Before that, though, before the murder, he set up a fake fight in King of the Cage.

01:28:08.000 Oh, that's right, yeah.

01:28:09.000 Against this big Samoan guy.

01:28:11.000 It was totally fake.

01:28:12.000 And they kept their mouth shut.

01:28:14.000 They made it happen.

01:28:15.000 So he ends up getting this big, giant Samoan guy like in a...

01:28:18.000 The shittiest knee bar ever.

01:28:20.000 He just taps.

01:28:21.000 It's like a knee bar that's like that, and the guy just starts tapping, and he won.

01:28:24.000 And this fight was his comeback fight.

01:28:26.000 He told everybody he was 14-0 in MMA, but they were all undocumented fights.

01:28:30.000 Dude, I commentated that fight, and I was saying, Rafael Torres returns to MMA to defend his undefeated record.

01:28:40.000 I said shit like that.

01:28:41.000 He had everyone do it.

01:28:42.000 I'll take it to the next level.

01:28:43.000 He had everybody do it.

01:28:44.000 He wasn't 14-0.

01:28:45.000 He never fought ever.

01:28:46.000 I'll take it to the next level.

01:28:47.000 That guy's awesome.

01:28:48.000 I'll take it to the next level.

01:28:49.000 He had a friend drive him out to the woods, and he brought with him a giant duffel bag.

01:28:56.000 Okay?

01:28:57.000 He told his friend, drive me out to the woods.

01:28:58.000 I'm about to compete in a no-rules kumite.

01:29:01.000 You know, if I win, I'm gonna make a lot of money, and I'll come back with first place.

01:29:07.000 This is a true story.

01:29:08.000 Yeah, so he says to the dude, come back tomorrow.

01:29:10.000 Okay.

01:29:11.000 This was a newspaper journalist, a newspaper writer.

01:29:15.000 He took the local guy, a newspaper writer, and goes, I haven't told anybody, but I'm going to, in the woods, there's going to be this kumate.

01:29:22.000 Dude, what's wrong with this fucking kumate?

01:29:24.000 He goes, but I need you, I want you to write the story on this, but you're going to drop me off.

01:29:28.000 I can't show you where it's going to be.

01:29:30.000 So...

01:29:31.000 So the newspaper writer drops him off like in the middle of nowhere in the woods, and he says, come back for me in two days, right?

01:29:40.000 And the guy had a big duffel bag with him, right?

01:29:43.000 With something long in it, right?

01:29:45.000 So the guy comes back two days later and picks him up.

01:29:48.000 So he was like camping out there, right?

01:29:49.000 He had like camping equipment.

01:29:50.000 He came out, and then he had this giant trophy.

01:29:52.000 He says, I won the Kumite.

01:29:53.000 Oh my god, that motherfucker packed the trophy?

01:29:57.000 So, so...

01:30:00.000 What does the writer do naturally?

01:30:02.000 He writes a story on it.

01:30:03.000 He takes that story, frames it, and puts it up out of school.

01:30:06.000 Fuck.

01:30:07.000 That's so bananas.

01:30:09.000 Proof.

01:30:09.000 Proof that it happened.

01:30:10.000 It was in the newspaper.

01:30:11.000 That's so goddamn bananas.

01:30:12.000 That's fucking crazy.

01:30:14.000 He's a genius!

01:30:15.000 At least you got a legit fighter coming out right now.

01:30:17.000 He's a genius.

01:30:18.000 With Crow Cop.

01:30:18.000 Crow Cop's got a lot of redness on his nose.

01:30:21.000 First of all, we don't know if he didn't go to Akuma Tang.

01:30:24.000 No, we do.

01:30:25.000 There's no evidence that he didn't.

01:30:26.000 But we do.

01:30:27.000 So let's...

01:30:28.000 Let me wrap this story up real quick.

01:30:30.000 So Gerald calls me and tells me that the guy gave him the gun or something like that.

01:30:35.000 I forget what the conversation was.

01:30:36.000 I was like, what?

01:30:37.000 Huh?

01:30:37.000 Jesus fucking Christ.

01:30:39.000 And then Gerald gets a hold of the cops.

01:30:42.000 And apparently they were tapping his phone.

01:30:45.000 So the cops call me.

01:30:47.000 And they want to know what I know about the murder.

01:30:50.000 And I explained to them.

01:30:51.000 I go, look, I know almost nothing.

01:30:53.000 What I know is what Gerald told me.

01:30:55.000 Because they were listening in on our conversation.

01:30:58.000 So to say, what I know is what Gerald told me.

01:31:00.000 I told him everything I know.

01:31:01.000 What Gerald told me, the guy's a crazy liar.

01:31:03.000 He's a fake black belt.

01:31:04.000 I don't know if he really killed the guy or not.

01:31:06.000 Like, it's very conceivable.

01:31:08.000 This guy's so fucking crazy, he made that up too.

01:31:10.000 He might not even have killed somebody.

01:31:12.000 At this point, at least I think this, it's pretty much proven that he killed the guy now.

01:31:17.000 Fuck, man.

01:31:17.000 But, so, you know, I got involved in it too, man.

01:31:20.000 I thought, don't bring me to court.

01:31:21.000 Dude, come on.

01:31:22.000 Don't bring me to court because I met Rafael Torre at Eddie's house.

01:31:26.000 Don't make me do this, man.

01:31:28.000 Don't drag me into this.

01:31:29.000 And then it gets even darker because Gerald killed somebody one day.

01:31:32.000 For fuck's sakes, man.

01:31:33.000 Gerald killed somebody like a year ago in a traffic-related incident.

01:31:37.000 Some guy and him were having some road rage incident and it got physical.

01:31:43.000 Gerald was actually on the phone with 911 and he fucking shot this dude.

01:31:47.000 And now he's in jail and he's on trial right now.

01:31:51.000 Some guy tried to run him off the road.

01:31:51.000 Dude.

01:31:54.000 Some guy was drunk.

01:31:55.000 Gerald wasn't drunk.

01:31:56.000 I mean, the guy that was shot was drunk.

01:31:59.000 He rammed him.

01:32:00.000 Like, he stopped his car, pulled it in reverse, and rammed him.

01:32:03.000 Like, they were having, like, some road raid incident, and that guy was drunk.

01:32:07.000 Gerald gets out of his car.

01:32:08.000 He lives in Oregon.

01:32:09.000 He has a rifle.

01:32:10.000 He has his rifle, and the guy's talking shit, and he's coming for him, and Gerald starts...

01:32:15.000 He's, like, on the other side of the car, calling 911, said, you know, don't get near me.

01:32:19.000 Don't get near me, dude.

01:32:20.000 I'm calling 911. Don't get near me.

01:32:21.000 The guy's talking shit.

01:32:23.000 The guy came to him, and Gerald thought he had a gun, too, and he pulled it out, and he shot him.

01:32:28.000 Is that what Gerald told you?

01:32:28.000 Oh, God damn.

01:32:30.000 That's what he told you?

01:32:30.000 Yeah.

01:32:31.000 That was a conversation you guys had?

01:32:32.000 That's not self-defense, though?

01:32:33.000 That is self-defense.

01:32:33.000 It seems like it should be.

01:32:34.000 It is self-defense.

01:32:35.000 How long is he in prison for?

01:32:36.000 The guy was drunk.

01:32:36.000 I don't know.

01:32:38.000 He runs him off the road.

01:32:40.000 He rams him.

01:32:41.000 He gets out with his gun going, what the fuck?

01:32:44.000 This guy's nuts.

01:32:45.000 The guy's coming for him.

01:32:46.000 He was drunk.

01:32:47.000 Gerald shot him.

01:32:48.000 He was on 911 saying, I got this crazy guy who just tried to run me off the road.

01:32:54.000 I'm standing right here.

01:32:55.000 And the guy kept coming.

01:32:57.000 Stand back.

01:32:57.000 He goes, stand back, sir.

01:32:58.000 Boom!

01:32:59.000 People are basing the possibility that Gerald might have been more of an instigator based on some of the things that he wrote on Facebook.

01:33:07.000 Apparently he had written something about, like, get out of my way when you're on the road, or something about...

01:33:13.000 And they'd been involved in some other sort of road rage type incident.

01:33:17.000 But who the fuck knows, man.

01:33:19.000 And also we have to deal with the fact that Gerald...

01:33:21.000 We know, for a fact, experienced a lot of action overseas.

01:33:26.000 Oh, really?

01:33:27.000 He served, and then he came back and did some tours for one of those, what do they call them, contractors.

01:33:36.000 Oh, like Blackwater shit?

01:33:37.000 Yeah.

01:33:38.000 He did a couple of those to finance his gym.

01:33:43.000 Fuck, man.

01:33:44.000 So, there's that.

01:33:46.000 And that's undeniable, man.

01:33:47.000 That fucks with a person's head.

01:33:50.000 And when you're thinking about a person in an aggressive type situation and you've been in war before, you're used to people trying to kill you and you've got to kill them first.

01:33:50.000 100%.

01:34:00.000 And Gerald is in a different place.

01:34:01.000 He's in a different place than the average person.

01:34:03.000 So the average person that says, you know, hey, you can't consider the fact that he was, you know, in the war and he had PTSD. That's bullshit.

01:34:11.000 It does mean something.

01:34:12.000 No, I'm saying it does.

01:34:13.000 100% should be like, listen, man.

01:34:15.000 He's under a different set of rules.

01:34:16.000 I'm arguing with them.

01:34:18.000 And there's some people that there's big misconceptions about martial artists that a true martial artist would have not used a gun, would have used his martial arts to handle the situation.

01:34:29.000 But that's all bullshit.

01:34:31.000 The more martial arts you learn, the more you know you need a goddamn gun in your house.

01:34:36.000 You need some guns because martial arts, the more you...

01:34:40.000 Learn it, you realize that's last resort when it's a life and death situation.

01:34:44.000 If it's in a sport or, you know, a controlled environment, that's one thing.

01:34:47.000 But, you know, Gerald thought the guy had a gun.

01:34:51.000 The guy tried to run him off the road.

01:34:53.000 You're not going to drop your gun and double leg him and try to arm him.

01:34:53.000 He's got a gun.

01:34:57.000 No, hell no.

01:34:59.000 That's tough, man.

01:34:59.000 If that's how the story went, that's tough.

01:35:01.000 If I have a gun and there's some crazy shit going down, guy's drunk, I'm gonna shoot you in the dick.

01:35:06.000 I'm gonna shoot you.

01:35:07.000 I'm not gonna shoot you in the face.

01:35:09.000 There ain't gonna be no rear naked choke.

01:35:11.000 Who knows if this guy has a gun?

01:35:12.000 You don't know.

01:35:14.000 That's tough, man.

01:35:15.000 If that's exactly how it went down, I agree with you 100%.

01:35:19.000 Obviously, I'm not questioning anything, but I was not there.

01:35:23.000 I don't know enough about him.

01:35:24.000 He was on 9-1-1 when this happened.

01:35:28.000 He was reporting the situation before the shot.

01:35:31.000 The shot is actually caught on 9-1-1 on the call.

01:35:35.000 So, I mean...

01:35:37.000 That's a crazy case, then.

01:35:38.000 Why do they have him in jail still?

01:35:41.000 If that's exactly how it was happening, if he really did deal with a madman...

01:35:45.000 And as a veteran, you'd think they'd show him a little leeway.

01:35:48.000 Maybe the other guy was a veteran, too.

01:35:48.000 Well, who knows?

01:35:49.000 No, no, there is history of past road rage, but that has nothing to do with this.

01:35:53.000 Just because you have a history of past road rage, you know...

01:35:57.000 If he shot, like, six motherfuckers previous, then we have a problem.

01:35:57.000 It depends.

01:36:00.000 If he's shooting people, yes, but there are no records of that.

01:36:03.000 Damn, 35 or 40?

01:36:06.000 Wow.

01:36:07.000 Alright.

01:36:08.000 This is it.

01:36:09.000 The main event, ladies and gentlemen.

01:36:11.000 Main event.

01:36:13.000 The fucked up shit is they got him in solitary confinement this whole time.

01:36:16.000 It's already been over a year and the trial don't start until January and he's in solitary.

01:36:20.000 It's fucking bullshit, man.

01:36:21.000 Aaron Hernandez murdered like 19 people.

01:36:24.000 He's chilling.

01:36:24.000 Why do they pull him in solitary?

01:36:26.000 They're fucking...

01:36:27.000 They're just railroading him, man.

01:36:29.000 Why do they do that?

01:36:31.000 Something has to be going on.

01:36:32.000 We have to be missing a piece of the story.

01:36:33.000 I feel like he's getting this fucked over.

01:36:35.000 They're trying to say that he has, you know, people have said he's been involved in road rage before.

01:36:43.000 I don't know if it's documented officially, but it has something to do with that.

01:36:48.000 But that has nothing to do with this situation.

01:36:50.000 It's tough, man.

01:36:51.000 The dude was drunk.

01:36:52.000 The guy that got killed, he was wasted.

01:36:56.000 Gerald was not drunk, was not wasted.

01:36:58.000 He was coming from the supermarket.

01:37:00.000 These are all facts.

01:37:01.000 He had him on 9-1-1.

01:37:03.000 He was talking, he was on 9-1-1, telling the guy to back off, back off.

01:37:07.000 He keeps walking towards me, back off.

01:37:09.000 And then he popped him.

01:37:11.000 Jesus Christ.

01:37:12.000 I mean, it's on the record, so they're fucking him, man.

01:37:16.000 They're totally fucking him.

01:37:18.000 He's in solitary.

01:37:20.000 I feel like we're missing a piece of the story.

01:37:22.000 Who knows?

01:37:23.000 We don't know.

01:37:24.000 We don't.

01:37:24.000 We don't know.

01:37:25.000 Some people get fucked, dude.

01:37:26.000 They agree.

01:37:26.000 That does happen.

01:37:27.000 Some people just get fucked, and he's getting fucked.

01:37:29.000 This Crow Cop Gonzaga's gonna go two ways.

01:37:32.000 It's either gonna be one of the saddest things we've ever watched, or it's gonna be a fucking classic.

01:37:37.000 Well, you've got to think that Mirko wants that win back.

01:37:41.000 That was one that probably haunts him.

01:37:43.000 That was his big fight in the UFC. His second event, right?

01:37:48.000 Eddie Sanchez was his first fight.

01:37:50.000 And then he fought Gonzaga.

01:37:50.000 Yeah.

01:37:51.000 It's for a title shot, too.

01:37:53.000 The winner that was going to be a title shot.

01:37:55.000 Damn.

01:37:57.000 That's crazy.

01:37:57.000 If you remember that, Randy was cage-side, and he was like, man, I'd rather fight Crow Cop.

01:38:01.000 Gabriel Gonzaga's too well-rounded, if you remember that.

01:38:04.000 Wow.

01:38:05.000 Wow.

01:38:08.000 You know what, man?

01:38:08.000 Gonzaga.

01:38:09.000 There's something about Gonzaga when he walks on the scale, you know when I do the weigh-ins?

01:38:13.000 Yeah.

01:38:13.000 He sounds different than everybody else.

01:38:15.000 Really?

01:38:16.000 Sounds like he's made out of stone.

01:38:18.000 Like when he walks, it's like...

01:38:19.000 Tell you what, man, I fought both of them, and Mirko Krokop is the strongest guy I've ever fought, bar none.

01:38:27.000 Wow.

01:38:27.000 Not even close.

01:38:28.000 He was like a fucking rock.

01:38:29.000 Like Shane Carwin strong?

01:38:31.000 Even more so.

01:38:33.000 Like, Shane can kind of move.

01:38:34.000 Cro-Cop was like moving like the Thing from Fantastic Four.

01:38:38.000 It's like Cro-Cop was made of straight rocks.

01:38:42.000 Jesus Christ, really?

01:38:43.000 I've heard people say the same thing about Dan Henderson, but Cro-Cop, yeah.

01:38:46.000 Listen, I fought a roided-up fucking LeVar Johnson.

01:38:49.000 He was nowhere near as strong as Marco Cro-Cop.

01:38:54.000 Dan Henderson, a back rub.

01:38:56.000 You'll break your hand.

01:38:57.000 I bet.

01:38:58.000 You will.

01:38:59.000 Dan Henderson's made out of wood, dude.

01:39:00.000 We have the same masseuse, and she says it's just a beast.

01:39:03.000 Yeah, he's made out of wood.

01:39:05.000 Yeah, man, Cro Cop was so strong.

01:39:07.000 That's interesting, man.

01:39:08.000 Crazy, right?

01:39:09.000 Well, he developed a lot of really good takedown defense in Pride.

01:39:12.000 If you look at his first fights in Pride, like the first fight with Vandele, when they had those special rules, beautiful right hand.

01:39:20.000 Gonzaga's tightened up his boxing a lot, man.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, he has.

01:39:23.000 Well, you gotta remember, too, as Krokop, early in his career, he flew out Verdum before Verdum was really anything to work on his grappling.

01:39:31.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 That was his grappling code.

01:39:33.000 Oh, shit, man.

01:39:34.000 That right hand's fighting the home.

01:39:35.000 That's not good.

01:39:36.000 What do you think about this fight?

01:39:37.000 If you had to guess, before it started...

01:39:41.000 I never pick against Krokop, man.

01:39:43.000 He's one of my heroes.

01:39:44.000 But just objectively, analytically?

01:39:46.000 Objectively, Gonzaga's been fighting in the UFC at a lot longer, higher level.

01:39:52.000 Krokop really hasn't.

01:39:54.000 Gonzaga's looking very fast here, too.

01:39:56.000 He does.

01:39:57.000 That double right hand.

01:39:58.000 It just seems like Krokop, over his last few fights, he's just...

01:40:02.000 He doesn't pull the trigger.

01:40:03.000 He's coming off two wins against Ishii.

01:40:07.000 Obviously, that was in Japan.

01:40:08.000 Yeah, but Ishii's much smaller than him, too.

01:40:10.000 Ishii's shorter.

01:40:11.000 Ishii's every bit of 260 pounds.

01:40:14.000 What?

01:40:14.000 Ishii's a judo gold medalist.

01:40:16.000 I train with Ishii.

01:40:17.000 Ishii's a fucking nightmare.

01:40:18.000 Is he 260?

01:40:19.000 For real?

01:40:20.000 260. I think he might, when he's in crazy shape, get down to 245. That's insane.

01:40:26.000 I had no idea.

01:40:26.000 I thought he was about 205. Fuck no.

01:40:29.000 Ishii is thick.

01:40:31.000 That's crazy.

01:40:32.000 Super thick.

01:40:33.000 And for him to, you know, beat Ishii twice, I don't know how tough Ishii is, man.

01:40:36.000 He's a fucking monster.

01:40:38.000 Good kick to the body by Gonzaga.

01:40:42.000 Mirko's not pulling the trigger that much.

01:40:43.000 He's not.

01:40:44.000 He doesn't want to kick because he doesn't want to get taken down.

01:40:44.000 He's super hesitant.

01:40:46.000 He knows if he gets taken down, he's in big trouble.

01:40:49.000 Some of the best takedown defense ever in the UFC. What'd they say?

01:40:52.000 He's fourth all-time heavyweight, I think?

01:40:56.000 I tried taking Gonzaga, and I tried double-hugging him.

01:40:58.000 My face hit the ground so fast.

01:41:00.000 He sprawled every bit of fucking, whatever it is, 260 on my little neck.

01:41:06.000 Cro Cop's a bit tentative, and Gonzaga keeps doing that lunging double right hand.

01:41:12.000 Why Cro Cop just looking at the clock?

01:41:14.000 That's a bad sign, man.

01:41:15.000 We're fucking 2.30 into it.

01:41:17.000 Well, maybe he had a plan of waiting into the round before he opened it up.

01:41:20.000 You don't think his corner could speak in Croatian?

01:41:22.000 Oh, Jesus, there's deep, deep, deep double.

01:41:24.000 Ooh, he's gonna pass.

01:41:26.000 I have to go hard.

01:41:28.000 Krokop's guard retention is pretty good.

01:41:30.000 It's not that bad.

01:41:31.000 He has very good defense, man, yeah.

01:41:32.000 It's not that bad, but this motherfucker's heavy.

01:41:35.000 Oh, oh, heavy and a world champ.

01:41:37.000 Yeah, world champ.

01:41:39.000 Legit.

01:41:40.000 Black belt.

01:41:41.000 Legit black belt.

01:41:42.000 If you can get Gonzaga down from his back, he's not such a threat, but on top, man, that's his game.

01:41:47.000 Yeah.

01:41:48.000 He's got a lockdown in.

01:41:49.000 Look at this.

01:41:50.000 Strong control.

01:41:51.000 Can't get out of that fucking half card, huh?

01:41:55.000 Just got to be careful.

01:41:56.000 The explosion is still there.

01:41:58.000 This is trouble, man.

01:41:59.000 Crow Cop has always been, like, real explosive.

01:42:01.000 Crazy explosive.

01:42:05.000 I remember I had Crow Cop in guard, and he got his feet on my hip, and then just straight.

01:42:09.000 Couldn't get any worse.

01:42:12.000 Good luck getting out of there.

01:42:13.000 This is what he's worried about, too, is the elbows.

01:42:15.000 He was talking about this, that that was the big difference in the first fight, and he said that MMA probably should get rid of elbows, because it causes a lot of blood, and people don't want to see blood.

01:42:24.000 And focus less on the ground.

01:42:26.000 I thought that was crazy.

01:42:27.000 That's ridiculous.

01:42:27.000 That didn't make any sense at all.

01:42:29.000 Oh, look at that!

01:42:30.000 He'll look, son!

01:42:31.000 That was nice.

01:42:31.000 Ooh!

01:42:32.000 Look at this.

01:42:34.000 I'll show you how.

01:42:35.000 He's tapping.

01:42:36.000 He's tapping.

01:42:37.000 Not yet.

01:42:38.000 Damn, I thought he was ready to tap as he went down.

01:42:41.000 Me too.

01:42:41.000 It looked like he was tapping.

01:42:42.000 I'm not mad at this.

01:42:44.000 He scrambled this.

01:42:46.000 Hangmaker in the guard.

01:42:47.000 I thought he was tapping.

01:42:48.000 I couldn't see his hand.

01:42:49.000 But it looked like he was reaching for it right away.

01:42:52.000 That was a bad position.

01:42:53.000 That was nasty.

01:42:55.000 That was a funky angle on the knee.

01:42:57.000 I want to see that again.

01:42:58.000 This Gonzaga using his grappling, he's going to be tough to beat, man.

01:43:02.000 I'm impressed with the Crow Cop recovering and getting back to full guard, if you ask me.

01:43:06.000 I agree.

01:43:07.000 He was mounted and now he's not mounting anymore.

01:43:09.000 Yep.

01:43:10.000 And he almost got his leg break apart.

01:43:11.000 That's a sign that he could do.

01:43:12.000 He could recover.

01:43:14.000 He could bump him off the mount several times.

01:43:17.000 Krokop worked with Verdum and Dean Lister for years.

01:43:20.000 For a long, long time, man.

01:43:22.000 His defense is going to be solid.

01:43:23.000 Yeah, he's well-trained.

01:43:25.000 He's not easy to submit, man.

01:43:28.000 He's just not at the level where he can attack.

01:43:31.000 No.

01:43:32.000 I don't think he wants to be, either.

01:43:34.000 Well, against this guy.

01:43:35.000 He went for that heel hook, man.

01:43:36.000 That was pretty nasty.

01:43:37.000 He tapped Randleman, too.

01:43:38.000 He got him in a guillotine.

01:43:38.000 Remember?

01:43:40.000 Back in the dizzy.

01:43:43.000 I think when Crow Cop goes in the fight, that's the least of his concerns is submitting somebody.

01:43:47.000 That was the second fight after Randleman KO'd him.

01:43:49.000 Remember that shit?

01:43:50.000 Yeah.

01:43:50.000 Jesus Christ.

01:43:52.000 Randleman lunged in and cracked him.

01:43:55.000 Those pride days, man.

01:43:56.000 They were crazy.

01:43:56.000 Woo!

01:43:57.000 I don't know if we'll ever see better fighting than then.

01:44:00.000 They were wild, man.

01:44:01.000 And you know what was one of the wild things?

01:44:03.000 He didn't know who the fuck was going to fight until about a week out.

01:44:05.000 Yeah.

01:44:06.000 It's like, oh, sweet, man.

01:44:06.000 Yeah.

01:44:08.000 They were constantly at it.

01:44:09.000 It was like an Ice House show.

01:44:10.000 And just epic.

01:44:11.000 Yeah.

01:44:12.000 They were constantly adding fighters.

01:44:14.000 I put together those Ice House shows like four days out.

01:44:18.000 How cool were those days where you had two giant, legit MMA organizations.

01:44:23.000 For the fans, it was the ultimate.

01:44:24.000 Went back and forth.

01:44:25.000 Pretty amazing.

01:44:25.000 UFC, one weekend.

01:44:27.000 Then Pride.

01:44:27.000 Look at this knee.

01:44:29.000 Steps over.

01:44:30.000 Oh, right there.

01:44:34.000 Oh, no, he wasn't looking to tap at all.

01:44:36.000 He was looking to get that arm under the leg.

01:44:37.000 Yeah.

01:44:40.000 Damn.

01:44:41.000 Damn.

01:44:43.000 It wasn't as threatening as I thought it was.

01:44:45.000 In the scramble, he looked pretty wild, but it wasn't as close as I thought it was.

01:44:48.000 I'll tell you what, if any guy has cardio issues between these two, it's Gonzaga.

01:44:52.000 He's always had some issues when he gets later in the rounds.

01:44:54.000 Do you think that's because of training at Team Link and not training at ATT or something like that?

01:44:59.000 Not getting pushed enough, probably.

01:45:00.000 Like, when you're always a bully, when you're on top, it's easy to go three rounds.

01:45:04.000 Try being on bottom.

01:45:05.000 Get in the worst-case scenario, you know?

01:45:06.000 Get in bad positions.

01:45:08.000 Right, and you've got to get used to moving in those positions.

01:45:11.000 Yeah, when you're tired.

01:45:12.000 Right.

01:45:13.000 And you're developing technique and you're developing endurance when you're moving in those positions when you're tired.

01:45:19.000 Yeah.

01:45:20.000 And that's something that people kind of don't know until they get in there and do it.

01:45:23.000 And you're not going to panic.

01:45:25.000 Yeah.

01:45:25.000 Like, I'm sure Crowcrop was in Mount during camp.

01:45:28.000 He didn't panic down there.

01:45:29.000 He got out of it.

01:45:30.000 Got back to guard.

01:45:31.000 Yeah.

01:45:32.000 But if Gonzaga can get him to the ground like that again...

01:45:35.000 Yeah, he's in trouble.

01:45:37.000 Yeah.

01:45:38.000 It's interesting, man.

01:45:39.000 He is one of those...

01:45:39.000 You gotta...

01:45:40.000 I mean, we're watching him in the main event right now, so obviously everything's going well.

01:45:43.000 But he's one of those guys you gotta wonder.

01:45:45.000 What if he did go to Jackson's?

01:45:47.000 What if he did?

01:45:48.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:45:49.000 Yeah, what if he did when he was...

01:45:50.000 With his skill set?

01:45:51.000 Really young.

01:45:51.000 How good he is with stand-up?

01:45:53.000 Woo!

01:45:53.000 Ducked under that kit!

01:45:54.000 Beautiful!

01:45:55.000 Oh, good luck!

01:45:56.000 Oh, nice knee to the body!

01:45:57.000 You're not taking him down against the cage, son.

01:45:59.000 Oh, dude, nasty knee to the body.

01:46:00.000 You're not taking him down against the cage.

01:46:01.000 Oh, did that one go to the junk?

01:46:02.000 Yeah, hit him right in that Crow Cop dick.

01:46:04.000 Do you remember the one with Chet Congo?

01:46:06.000 What?

01:46:08.000 That was attack against dicks.

01:46:11.000 It really was.

01:46:12.000 An assault on dicks.

01:46:14.000 Crow Cop against the cage is not happening.

01:46:17.000 You gotta take him down in the open, man.

01:46:18.000 That was our game plan.

01:46:26.000 God, I just don't like...

01:46:28.000 Krokop looks like he's just gonna eat a right hand at any second.

01:46:31.000 He could.

01:46:32.000 That double right hand is what Gonzaga's...

01:46:33.000 Ooh!

01:46:34.000 Missed again.

01:46:34.000 Oof!

01:46:36.000 You know what I liked about Gonzaga's leg attack was he was completely safe from being punched.

01:46:41.000 That was an angle.

01:46:42.000 He jumped on that foot, and that was a safe position.

01:46:45.000 If he would have cranked it a little better or had a better angle at it...

01:46:48.000 Because usually you see when guys go for leg locks or knee bars, they're usually eating punches.

01:46:53.000 It all depends on the angle.

01:46:55.000 Especially if you shoot up for a leg lock and the guy's still standing.

01:46:58.000 If he has strong base...

01:47:00.000 Look at this.

01:47:00.000 Boom!

01:47:01.000 Oh!

01:47:01.000 Beautiful.

01:47:03.000 Goddamn.

01:47:06.000 Tested the flexibility.

01:47:10.000 That's an old-school move, the making you do the splits.

01:47:13.000 Yeah, super old-school.

01:47:15.000 Just lifted that leg up like it wasn't shit.

01:47:17.000 Right?

01:47:18.000 Just fucking get out of here.

01:47:20.000 Get the fuck out of here.

01:47:21.000 He's so fucking strong, man.

01:47:24.000 He's a beast.

01:47:25.000 And in this top position...

01:47:31.000 Because Krokop, even laying under there, he's going to eat those fucking body shots.

01:47:35.000 He's going for that.

01:47:39.000 For sure go for the finish, though, Gonzaga.

01:47:41.000 Let's see what we can do here.

01:47:42.000 He's going to smush his face.

01:47:43.000 Five rounds, 25 minutes.

01:47:45.000 Good pressure on the mouth.

01:47:47.000 He can't breathe for shit right here.

01:47:48.000 Just wearing him out.

01:47:49.000 Yeah, he can't breathe for shit right here.

01:47:50.000 That's what Krokop does, man.

01:47:51.000 He hangs on, hangs on.

01:47:52.000 You go to posture up, he gets the fuck out.

01:47:55.000 But Gonzaga is fucking heavy.

01:47:57.000 Look at this!

01:47:58.000 Beautiful, my friend!

01:48:00.000 Ooh, got a little punch in himself.

01:48:02.000 So that must have been a big part of his strategy.

01:48:05.000 He must have knew he would be here and would attack that leg to try to get a better position.

01:48:09.000 Not bad.

01:48:10.000 But still, Gonzaga, tough to shake.

01:48:13.000 He's going to be tough on top.

01:48:15.000 And he also knows that he's robbing Mirko of his vitality every time he smushes his face like that.

01:48:21.000 Yep.

01:48:21.000 Covers his ale hole.

01:48:22.000 Plus, if you're a jiu-jitsu world champion, this is a walk in the park, being on top position here.

01:48:28.000 Yep, yep, yep.

01:48:30.000 And then he just gets the mount.

01:48:31.000 Look at that transition, man.

01:48:33.000 The exact same path to the mount.

01:48:35.000 Yep.

01:48:35.000 He's so slick with it, too, man.

01:48:37.000 See how there's no air there?

01:48:38.000 Grape finds the legs.

01:48:39.000 He was like, I don't even need to bother with side control.

01:48:41.000 I go right to the mount on this dude.

01:48:43.000 Do you see how there was no air in his transition?

01:48:45.000 Just so smooth.

01:48:47.000 Oh God, it's artistic.

01:48:50.000 Now, if you're a crow cop, you can only get mounted so many times.

01:48:53.000 Because he explodes to get out of it?

01:48:55.000 Yeah, man.

01:48:55.000 It's a lot of gas to burn, huh?

01:48:58.000 To get a 265 pound world champ off you is going to be tough.

01:49:01.000 And as Hoist Grace would always say, he's cooking them right now, you know?

01:49:07.000 By wearing a mount like this before he attempts to spin him.

01:49:10.000 Ooh, look at this mount!

01:49:11.000 I hate when guys on the bottom of a mount try to punch.

01:49:14.000 Dude, look at this mount.

01:49:15.000 Look at this goddamn mount.

01:49:17.000 Well, the striker, though, dude, they feel like any time they have a chance to pop your chin.

01:49:21.000 A dude knocked a guy out from the mount before in Japan.

01:49:24.000 Knocked him out cold.

01:49:25.000 Well, how about Uriah Hall?

01:49:26.000 For sure the exception.

01:49:26.000 Knocked a dude out from his guard.

01:49:28.000 Remember that?

01:49:29.000 On the show?

01:49:30.000 Who?

01:49:30.000 Look at this!

01:49:32.000 Gonzaga!

01:49:33.000 Trying to set up the...

01:49:34.000 Was he setting up an armbar?

01:49:35.000 Looks like an armbar, yeah.

01:49:35.000 He wanted an armbar.

01:49:37.000 It's a good move.

01:49:39.000 He's a beast, dude.

01:49:41.000 Did Gonzaga shave his back?

01:49:41.000 He is a beast.

01:49:43.000 Look at this.

01:49:43.000 He's looking for the...

01:49:44.000 No, it's still there.

01:49:46.000 Looking for the Americana.

01:49:48.000 Oh, a little blood on Gonzaga's head.

01:49:50.000 Where's that coming from?

01:49:51.000 Boom!

01:49:52.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:49:56.000 Boom!

01:49:57.000 Great elbow.

01:49:58.000 You know, it's interesting that Krokop was always hot open.

01:50:02.000 It's interesting that he's setting up a triangle.

01:50:04.000 Krokop was talking about how he didn't like the cuts because he didn't like the blood from the elbows.

01:50:08.000 And this is what's fucking him up.

01:50:09.000 Boom, boom.

01:50:09.000 That's what's getting him.

01:50:11.000 Transition.

01:50:11.000 Put control by Gonzaga.

01:50:13.000 Look at the fucking ferocious control.

01:50:15.000 Damn, man.

01:50:16.000 That's some ferocious control.

01:50:19.000 That is exactly what Crow Cop was saying that he thinks needs to change about MMA in Gonzaga.

01:50:25.000 Grappling and the elbows.

01:50:26.000 Gonzaga just said, oh, I know what you don't like.

01:50:29.000 Fuck, man.

01:50:30.000 That's a bad cut.

01:50:31.000 But the only type of person that says that about grappling and elbows is the type of person that doesn't want to get that happen to them.

01:50:38.000 As far as him being able to do it to someone, of course he would want to be able to do it.

01:50:42.000 If that was his game, he'd be all about it.

01:50:44.000 Damn.

01:50:45.000 That'd be cool if that made him.

01:50:46.000 Didn't he mount somebody before and fuck him up from the mount?

01:50:46.000 Beautiful.

01:50:49.000 Crow Cop?

01:50:50.000 Pat Berry.

01:50:50.000 Yeah.

01:50:51.000 Pat Berry mounted and his back, right?

01:50:54.000 And then he choked Pat Berry with one arm.

01:50:55.000 He kicked out the leg.

01:50:57.000 Did he kick out the right leg?

01:50:58.000 Or he kicked out the left leg?

01:50:59.000 He tripped him.

01:51:00.000 He picked it up and then tripped out the left leg.

01:51:03.000 Look at this.

01:51:03.000 Nice.

01:51:04.000 Ferocious ground and pound.

01:51:06.000 Just nasty control.

01:51:07.000 Look at this.

01:51:07.000 Boom!

01:51:09.000 That was the one that cut him open.

01:51:11.000 Dude, the control Gonzaga had.

01:51:13.000 Once he gets on top, man, that's nasty control.

01:51:18.000 If Krokop were to lose this fight, do you think he fights again in the UFC? That's a good question.

01:51:24.000 I mean, they love him.

01:51:26.000 He's still a star.

01:51:27.000 He's still a legend.

01:51:29.000 He's still, you know, like one of the most important guys in the history of MMA. Ever.

01:51:34.000 He's my favorite fighter of all time.

01:51:34.000 Ever.

01:51:36.000 But at what point does the UFC say, you know what?

01:51:39.000 We're good.

01:51:40.000 Well, he definitely is not going to fight Gonzaga next unless he beats him.

01:51:44.000 I mean, if he KOs him right here, we stop talking.

01:51:46.000 If he fucking head kicks Gonzaga right here, we stop talking.

01:51:51.000 He's a great guy for the UFC to open new markets in Europe, right?

01:51:55.000 You want to have a UFC in the Ukraine or something?

01:51:57.000 Boom!

01:51:58.000 Open up a headliner with Krokop.

01:52:00.000 He's still got a few fights left in him.

01:52:02.000 Well, if he wants to fight again in Croatia, even if he's not the main event, they'll still sell the motherfucker out.

01:52:07.000 He's a national hero.

01:52:07.000 Sell out.

01:52:09.000 He's a goddamn national hero over there.

01:52:11.000 And, like we said, undeniable, one of the legends of the game.

01:52:16.000 Gonzaga with a big takedown.

01:52:17.000 Defense.

01:52:19.000 Kroka, perhaps, a little confidence.

01:52:25.000 He's just looking to jab, though.

01:52:27.000 Not too many left hands.

01:52:28.000 No power shots, man.

01:52:31.000 Gotta see him open up with that kick, maybe even to the body.

01:52:34.000 Gonzaga gets right hand happy, though.

01:52:44.000 Yeah, Gonzaga's slowing down.

01:52:46.000 Yeah, it's a tough third round, man.

01:52:48.000 He put a lot of pressure on him.

01:52:49.000 Mount.

01:52:50.000 Yeah, held him down, beat on him, but he definitely took way less damage.

01:52:55.000 So, if he's tired right here.

01:52:59.000 Dude, if he's tired, I could see Crow Cop winning this.

01:53:02.000 You never know.

01:53:03.000 You never know.

01:53:04.000 With three minutes to go, you never know.

01:53:06.000 Bro, three minutes to go and you got two more rounds, bro.

01:53:09.000 You gotta remember it's five rounds.

01:53:10.000 Oh, that's right.

01:53:11.000 I just got so excited.

01:53:14.000 And he's failed in his last two takedown attempts.

01:53:17.000 Haven't worked.

01:53:18.000 I'm telling you, man, against the cage, save your fucking energy.

01:53:21.000 Don't do it.

01:53:21.000 This is all Cro-Cop.

01:53:22.000 This is his game, man.

01:53:24.000 He fucked me up against the cage.

01:53:27.000 Knee to the body, Bogonzaga.

01:53:29.000 While he had his back on the cage?

01:53:32.000 Oh, look at this.

01:53:34.000 Four takedown attempts.

01:53:36.000 Dude, Cro-Cop's looking way better.

01:53:36.000 Fail.

01:53:38.000 He's looking way better.

01:53:40.000 That was a good scramble right there.

01:53:42.000 Oh, good left hand by Krokop.

01:53:43.000 Oh, another one.

01:53:44.000 Krokop's elbows.

01:53:45.000 Did he rock him?

01:53:46.000 Yes.

01:53:47.000 Gonzaga's hurt.

01:53:48.000 Oh, shit.

01:53:48.000 Uppercut.

01:53:49.000 Oh.

01:53:50.000 Come on, Krokop.

01:53:51.000 Oh, I think he got him, son.

01:53:54.000 What's wrong with Gonzaga?

01:53:55.000 He's getting hit, dude.

01:53:56.000 Oh, he got hit again.

01:53:58.000 He shouldn't have won his card.

01:54:00.000 He should have stood over him like a horse dance and punched him.

01:54:06.000 He shouldn't have got on his knees.

01:54:08.000 Especially with a jiu-jitsu guy like this.

01:54:09.000 He's gonna fucking chill here now, man.

01:54:12.000 He's got a posture.

01:54:13.000 Holy shit, what a turnaround.

01:54:15.000 Great turnaround.

01:54:17.000 What a goddamn turnaround.

01:54:19.000 Even if this was only a three-rounder with two minutes to go, you could still finish him here.

01:54:23.000 Oh, shit!

01:54:24.000 Oh, big elbow!

01:54:24.000 I'm not mad at those elbows to the ground.

01:54:26.000 Oh!

01:54:27.000 Shit!

01:54:28.000 And you gotta think, this is a real striker throwing from tight quarters.

01:54:31.000 He might not be able to use his body, but guaranteed, he generates way more power than the average person in his positions.

01:54:36.000 Inaccuracy.

01:54:37.000 Oh!

01:54:38.000 Those are some...

01:54:39.000 Oh!

01:54:39.000 Those are hard!

01:54:40.000 Oh, shit!

01:54:42.000 Oh, shit!

01:54:43.000 Oh, my goodness!

01:54:44.000 Oh, what a goddamn turnaround!

01:54:46.000 Holy shit!

01:54:47.000 Those are ferocious!

01:54:48.000 Gonzaga's face is fucked up!

01:54:49.000 That's it!

01:54:50.000 Oh!

01:54:54.000 Mirko Krokop is back!

01:54:56.000 We got a classic on our hands.

01:54:58.000 Dude, holy shit.

01:54:59.000 Holy shit.

01:55:00.000 What a destruction.

01:55:02.000 That was some of the best elbows from the guard in MMA ever.

01:55:07.000 Ever.

01:55:08.000 Ever.

01:55:09.000 That's where he should be.

01:55:10.000 He should be taking dudes down and staying in their guard.

01:55:12.000 Holy shit.

01:55:13.000 That's where the fire comes.

01:55:15.000 How ironic is it that grappling and elbows are what won him to fight?

01:55:19.000 That's what he's complaining about.

01:55:21.000 That's so crazy!

01:55:21.000 What?

01:55:22.000 And we were just talking about this!

01:55:24.000 Would you put any money off if you said, hey, Crow Cop's gonna take...

01:55:26.000 He's gonna get Gonzaga's guard and elbow the shit out of TKL. And it started with that elbow standing.

01:55:32.000 Yes, look at that.

01:55:32.000 The two elbows.

01:55:33.000 Short elbow and tight.

01:55:34.000 Look, Gonzaga's hurt right there just trying to hang on.

01:55:36.000 Watch this.

01:55:38.000 Boom!

01:55:38.000 Oh, that was ferocious.

01:55:40.000 Another one.

01:55:41.000 Oh, dude.

01:55:42.000 Mirko can throw some goddamn elbows.

01:55:47.000 Dude, he shattered my nose like that.

01:55:48.000 Boom!

01:55:49.000 Oh my god, look at this.

01:55:51.000 Hammer!

01:55:52.000 Hammer!

01:55:53.000 Boom!

01:55:54.000 What a fucking turnaround!

01:55:54.000 Boom!

01:55:57.000 We gotta see some of those elbows from the guard.

01:55:59.000 Dude, Mirko Krokop has heart.

01:56:01.000 Fuck.

01:56:02.000 What heart that guy has.

01:56:03.000 Gonzaga's still down.

01:56:04.000 His face pretty jacked up.

01:56:06.000 That's his new spot.

01:56:07.000 His new spot is in the guard.

01:56:08.000 What fucking heart.

01:56:10.000 To come back from that?

01:56:12.000 What a great win for Mirko, man.

01:56:14.000 Look at how the sport has evolved.

01:56:16.000 The sport has evolved.

01:56:17.000 The best place for the best striker ever to be is in the guard throwing those strikes.

01:56:22.000 In the guard throwing those goddamn strikes.

01:56:25.000 That's where he needs to be.

01:56:26.000 But when you think about it, on the ground, he can generate power in real short areas.

01:56:30.000 He evolved into Mark Coleman.

01:56:33.000 It all comes back to Mark Coleman, the wrestler.

01:56:36.000 It all comes back to him.

01:56:38.000 Wow, that was incredible.

01:56:40.000 They showed Gonzaga.

01:56:41.000 He's stumbling in the back.

01:56:42.000 He's still not right, man.

01:56:43.000 That was incredible.

01:56:45.000 This is the only guy I would never instruct to pass the guard.

01:56:50.000 Don't pass!

01:56:51.000 Stay in the guard!

01:56:52.000 Jump in the guard!

01:56:53.000 Damn, look at Gabriel.

01:56:56.000 Wow.

01:56:57.000 That's a scar you're going to wear for life.

01:56:59.000 What a big victory for Krokop.

01:57:02.000 What a big victory.

01:57:03.000 Well, now they're one and one.

01:57:03.000 Do they do it again?

01:57:04.000 The trilogy?

01:57:06.000 They might.

01:57:06.000 They very well might.

01:57:08.000 That's three in a row for Gonzaga.

01:57:08.000 They very well might.

01:57:10.000 Does he get cut?

01:57:11.000 What does he say?

01:57:12.000 Hold on.

01:57:14.000 Great suit, Hardy.

01:57:21.000 What did he say?

01:57:35.000 What?

01:57:36.000 What?

01:57:37.000 There's no translator?

01:57:44.000 Two rounds.

01:57:50.000 Wow.

01:57:59.000 Oh, look at that nice uppercut too.

01:58:01.000 Amazing.

01:58:02.000 Boom!

01:58:02.000 Oh my god.

01:58:03.000 Look at this.

01:58:04.000 Boom!

01:58:05.000 Boom!

01:58:07.000 Boom!

01:58:08.000 Boom!

01:58:09.000 Boom!

01:58:11.000 Ferocious.

01:58:19.000 Legend, son.

01:58:20.000 Wow.

01:58:22.000 He is such a bad motherfucker.

01:58:24.000 What if he just goes on a tear on everyone who beat him?

01:58:35.000 Air Force One, Croatia style.

01:58:42.000 One or two weeks, I'll take a rest and train again.

01:58:45.000 Monster.

01:58:47.000 Now, if anybody had ever told him to retire after his losses, you know, he would have missed out on this glory, right?

01:58:53.000 Right?

01:58:53.000 That's why he can't retire, Joe.

01:58:55.000 But what do you think is the balance between a guy like this, who is just going to press on and still, at times like tonight, be spectacularly successful, or a guy like Jamie Varner, who says, you know what,

01:59:11.000 I think it's over.

01:59:12.000 But a guy like Crow Cop, what's left for him to do?

01:59:15.000 That's true.

01:59:15.000 What's left?

01:59:16.000 Well, he obviously loves this as much as anything in life.

01:59:19.000 And this moment right now is going to be one of the greatest moments that he'll ever remember.

01:59:25.000 And he overcame some serious adversity.

01:59:28.000 He overcame some serious adversity.

01:59:29.000 He might retire.

01:59:30.000 Look at that, son.

01:59:32.000 Most finishes in UFC pride, WEC, and Strikeforce ever.

01:59:32.000 Best ever.

01:59:36.000 22. Vanderlei, right on his tail.

01:59:39.000 Anderson behind that Shogun back in the day 16 Wow, that's nuts man.

01:59:45.000 All pride guys.

01:59:46.000 That's nuts What a legend that guy is you go back to his highlight reel and pride though None better.

01:59:52.000 No one had a better highlight reel of finishes that kicked to the body on Heath Haring.

01:59:57.000 We showed it on this podcast before.

01:59:59.000 But it was like he went halfway into his body with that round kick.

02:00:02.000 He's insane, man.

02:00:03.000 You think about the guys he's beat, especially in the prime.

02:00:05.000 He beat Josh Barnett twice.

02:00:07.000 He beat Mark Hunt.

02:00:09.000 He beat Wanderley.

02:00:10.000 He lost to Fedor.

02:00:11.000 Still, man.

02:00:13.000 Yeah, Fado was the guy.

02:00:14.000 He lost to Minotauro, but Minotauro had the best chin in the world at the time.

02:00:14.000 Decision.

02:00:22.000 And Krokop hit him with everything but the kitchen sink and the head kicked him at the end of the first round.

02:00:26.000 And when the round ended, Noguera thought for a second that they had stopped the fight.

02:00:31.000 He's like, don't stop the fight!

02:00:32.000 They're like, no, it's the end of the round.

02:00:33.000 He's like, okay, cool.

02:00:34.000 Went out in the second round, took him down and armbarred him.

02:00:36.000 I think those were the golden years of MMA. I don't think we'll ever get it back.

02:00:40.000 Well, I don't know about that.

02:00:40.000 Do you think so?

02:00:41.000 Honestly, I think everybody always feels like the time that was passed was the great time.

02:00:45.000 But I think the time we're looking at right now, with the exception of a few divisions, is so much higher level than we've ever seen before.

02:00:52.000 I think it's higher level, but it's just not the same.

02:00:55.000 I think it's too much.

02:00:56.000 I think it's too saturated.

02:00:57.000 I think it's like wine, man.

02:00:59.000 Anytime there's new shit, the old shit always looks better.

02:01:04.000 It's with music, with everything.

02:01:06.000 You could say, oh, I like early Iron Maiden or early Motley Crue.

02:01:10.000 I don't like the new album, which would be 1988. That would be new.

02:01:12.000 But now, 20 years later, that new album that came out in 1988, that's an old album and that's a classic now.

02:01:19.000 And it wasn't classic back then.

02:01:21.000 I agree.

02:01:21.000 What Joe's saying is right now, we're going to look back in 20 years at this point and say, Yeah, I disagree.

02:01:28.000 Look at all these big matches.

02:01:29.000 I don't think so.

02:01:30.000 Because now, if you want to be a fighter, you can do it.

02:01:34.000 When they were fighting, it was like, what the fuck?

02:01:34.000 There's a way to do it.

02:01:37.000 How the fuck do we make this happen?

02:01:39.000 And these are legends.

02:01:41.000 Now you have some...

02:01:42.000 Now, you know, I hate to be shitty, but you have some kids coming off the Ultimate Fighter or some girls who are 3-0 and they're on the big stage.

02:01:48.000 These guys earned their fucking right.

02:01:51.000 This rock and roll they play.

02:01:53.000 This rock and roll they play these kids these days.

02:01:55.000 It's not like...

02:02:02.000 I disagree.

02:02:04.000 You look at the level of experience and competition in those Pride tournaments, it's a higher level than we've ever been at.

02:02:11.000 I think the level is way higher now.

02:02:13.000 I think back then you had Three guys that could strike really good.

02:02:17.000 And remember, BJ was the only guy that could box in the lightweight division.

02:02:21.000 Now everybody in the prelims, they're all good strikers now.

02:02:24.000 It's like the level's crazy.

02:02:26.000 You have more well-rounded guys.

02:02:27.000 Yeah, like it used to be that only a couple guys had professional footwork.

02:02:31.000 But now anybody in the prelims, you can't get into the UFC unless you have professional footwork nowadays.

02:02:37.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:02:38.000 Yeah, you can't be half-assed.

02:02:38.000 Yeah.

02:02:40.000 And now everyone is also incorporating a lot of that, what they call Neo footwork, that Dominic Cruz, TJ Dillashaw.

02:02:46.000 That's the next level stuff.

02:02:48.000 So hyper-evolved these days.

02:02:49.000 That's next level stuff.

02:02:50.000 But I see what you're saying.

02:02:51.000 It's like Led Zeppelin.

02:02:52.000 Pride is like Led Zeppelin and all that shit.

02:02:54.000 Yeah, but you know what?

02:02:55.000 See, Led Zeppelin, outside of the plagiarism accusations that are pretty significant.

02:03:00.000 Just put that all aside.

02:03:01.000 Just look at the finished product.

02:03:03.000 Goddamn, I don't think there's anybody today that can fuck with him.

02:03:05.000 They had some goddamn songs that were just so insanely good.

02:03:10.000 So insanely good.

02:03:12.000 Have you heard Imagine Dragons?

02:03:13.000 There's different.

02:03:14.000 I mean, everybody's different.

02:03:15.000 I don't know what that is.

02:03:17.000 There's different, and there's equal.

02:03:20.000 You know, there's a lot of bands that I think are on that level.

02:03:22.000 But I just, there's like, Hold Outta Love, I don't think there's a song that's ever been better.

02:03:26.000 There's different songs, there's awesome songs that are equally awesome, but there's none better.

02:03:30.000 That's just like one of the all-time greats.

02:03:32.000 It's up there with Voodoo Child, with Hendrix to me.

02:03:35.000 Think of when Krokop was fighting Vanderlei, Mark Hunt, fucking Josh Barnett.

02:03:42.000 What the fuck?

02:03:44.000 Think about these guys.

02:03:45.000 He fought Vanderlei and then Josh Barnett in the same night.

02:03:48.000 Same night.

02:03:49.000 Think how much weight he gave up to Mark Hunt.

02:03:51.000 Yeah.

02:03:52.000 What the fuck?

02:03:53.000 And these are in their prime.

02:03:54.000 These are some of the best that have ever done it.

02:03:57.000 And he's beating them.

02:03:58.000 How good was goddamn Fedor back then?

02:03:58.000 Same night.

02:04:00.000 Because he walked down Krokop.

02:04:02.000 That was essentially a kickboxing pout.

02:04:04.000 When Krokop was at his very best, he hit him too, man.

02:04:08.000 He fucked his nose up.

02:04:09.000 He hit him with some hard shots.

02:04:10.000 And Fedor kept walking him down.

02:04:12.000 Fedor was chasing him down the whole fight.

02:04:14.000 He kept him on the heel.

02:04:15.000 Kept him on his back foot all the time.

02:04:17.000 It's tough, man.

02:04:18.000 Kept him backing up.

02:04:19.000 Really interesting, man.

02:04:21.000 That's how goddamn good Fedor was in his prime.

02:04:23.000 When he was in his prime.

02:04:25.000 The game just changes.

02:04:26.000 It's like basketball.

02:04:27.000 You guys aren't huge basketball fans.

02:04:30.000 You look at basketball like LeBron.

02:04:32.000 The games change where it's kind of like a foo-foo league now.

02:04:35.000 Well, when Michael Jordan and the Bulls were there, it was a different time, man.

02:04:39.000 Basketball was better.

02:04:40.000 Really?

02:04:40.000 It's never going to be as good as that.

02:04:42.000 Never.

02:04:42.000 How can you say that, though?

02:04:43.000 Athletes are getting better all the time.

02:04:45.000 They're getting better, but the game's changed because it's all about offense.

02:04:47.000 So, really, no one plays defense, really, anymore.

02:04:49.000 It's all about the dunk and stuff like that.

02:04:51.000 But no one's preventing them from, like...

02:04:53.000 They said that 20 years ago, too.

02:04:55.000 They're saying the exact same thing 20 years ago.

02:04:56.000 Maybe I'm old school.

02:04:57.000 Are you old school?

02:04:58.000 I'm sorry, I love Michael Jordan and a prime Mirko Crow Cop.

02:05:02.000 Time makes legends.

02:05:04.000 Over time, we're going to look back at LeBron and say the same thing.

02:05:07.000 Yeah.

02:05:09.000 He might not ever win as many championships as Michael Jordan, but already right now you gotta put him in the same class as Michael Jordan.

02:05:18.000 LeBron, come on.

02:05:19.000 You gotta put him in the same class.

02:05:21.000 At a guy like Mighty Mouse, there's never been a dude like Mighty Mouse.

02:05:24.000 People don't appreciate it because he weighs 125 pounds.

02:05:27.000 True.

02:05:28.000 But goddamn Mighty Mouse is good.

02:05:29.000 He's so fucking good.

02:05:30.000 He's so good.

02:05:31.000 He's so fucking good.

02:05:32.000 No one cares.

02:05:33.000 It's hard because he's fighting little dudes and they're all 125 pounds and people don't appreciate it just from the human being perspective.

02:05:42.000 Because first of all, they don't have to fight gravity as hard.

02:05:44.000 They can move faster.

02:05:45.000 A guy like you...

02:05:46.000 If there was a guy like you that could move like Mighty Mouse, they would have sports scientists come in and try to figure out what the fuck you're doing.

02:05:53.000 You know, if you were doing something unusual with your training methods, everyone would start doing it.

02:05:58.000 If you could move like Mighty Mouse and you were heavyweight, everybody would do what you were doing.

02:06:01.000 I agree.

02:06:02.000 Kenny Florian told me that DC was going out one night, and this was in Vegas, and he sees Mighty Mouse talking to the bouncer, like, bro, let me in.

02:06:12.000 DC's like, my man, this is the world champion of the UFC. And the guy's like, really?

02:06:17.000 Yes!

02:06:18.000 You know, he got him in.

02:06:20.000 That's fucking Mighty Mouse, man.

02:06:22.000 It's insane.

02:06:23.000 It's just those lighter weight classes.

02:06:25.000 Well, a lot of people don't know.

02:06:26.000 It's unfortunate.

02:06:27.000 But if you look at it from the technique perspective, I always say that if you want to emulate somebody, he's the dude.

02:06:33.000 He does everything perfect.

02:06:35.000 If you're around the game, you appreciate it.

02:06:36.000 If you're a casual fan, you don't give a fuck about the little guys.

02:06:39.000 Well, he knocked out Benavidez, which, in my opinion, was unbelievable.

02:06:43.000 Nobody ever did that before.

02:06:44.000 Benavidez is a monster.

02:06:45.000 He's a stud.

02:06:46.000 And he cracked him with one punch.

02:06:47.000 You need a heel.

02:06:48.000 You need someone that's going to come around, like another Conor McGregor at 125. It's all about personalities.

02:06:55.000 Aldo, don't get me wrong.

02:06:56.000 Aldo hasn't lasted nine years.

02:06:57.000 He's a fucking monster.

02:06:58.000 He's never been bigger now that he's gonna fight Conor.

02:07:01.000 It's true.

02:07:01.000 It's the best thing that ever happened to Aldo is Conor.

02:07:03.000 It's hard though to deal with the disrespect and all the stuff that he does to him.

02:07:07.000 I think it's gonna be trouble.

02:07:08.000 I think it's gonna be trouble.

02:07:09.000 I think you're gonna get a fucking nasty Aldo, man.

02:07:12.000 Oh, you're definitely gonna get a nasty Aldo.

02:07:13.000 The question is he's gonna have the stamina to do that for more than one or two rounds.

02:07:17.000 Look at Chad Mendes' fight.

02:07:19.000 That's true.

02:07:20.000 But Aldo, well, he hurt Mendez at the end of, was it the end of the first when he tagged him?

02:07:25.000 The bell?

02:07:25.000 The second.

02:07:26.000 I think it was the second, yeah.

02:07:26.000 Was it the second?

02:07:27.000 And Mendez tagged him.

02:07:28.000 But then into the third, fourth, and fifth rounds...

02:07:33.000 He wound up winning a decision, and he wound up beating Mendez, but that was probably the best anybody had looked against Aldo.

02:07:39.000 It was the first time anybody ever cracked Aldo.

02:07:41.000 You know who good Mendez is?

02:07:42.000 He's very good.

02:07:42.000 Yeah.

02:07:44.000 Listen, I love Conor.

02:07:45.000 Conor's my man, but Conor Mendez isn't a good fight for Conor.

02:07:49.000 Well, it's interesting because he's such a fucking powerful wrestler.

02:07:52.000 He's so goddamn fast.

02:07:54.000 That's the one thing we haven't seen, is the powerful wrestler.

02:07:56.000 But then you look at what he did to Llamas, he puts dudes away with his hands.

02:08:00.000 He's fast as fuck, dude.

02:08:02.000 There's no one more powerful than Mendez.

02:08:03.000 He's such a stud, like such a stud athlete.

02:08:06.000 Mendes is the biggest freak in the gym, and to see Aldo take his best and still win, everyone was like, Jesus, man.

02:08:13.000 Yeah, Jesus.

02:08:14.000 Well, McGregor's even bigger than him.

02:08:16.000 He's longer.

02:08:17.000 Big boy.

02:08:18.000 And he throws some nasty left hands, man.

02:08:20.000 I agree.

02:08:20.000 Nasty left hands.

02:08:21.000 He puts a lot of weight behind it.

02:08:22.000 And if he can get one off, and if he can really impose that, like, his psychological game is fucking strong.

02:08:29.000 He believes in himself.

02:08:30.000 Like, Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston strong.

02:08:31.000 I agree.

02:08:32.000 It's strong in a weird way.

02:08:33.000 Like, you see no cracks in it.

02:08:34.000 He doesn't ever back off.

02:08:35.000 He doesn't ever say anything stupid.

02:08:37.000 I'm rooting for Connor.

02:08:38.000 You know, he doesn't ever say, I'm gonna beat you into a living death.

02:08:41.000 Yeah.

02:08:41.000 Remember that?

02:08:41.000 Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz.

02:08:43.000 It's like, damn, bro.

02:08:43.000 You're like, come on, man.

02:08:44.000 Yeah.

02:08:45.000 He never falters with his shit-talking game.

02:08:47.000 It's so powerful, it makes you deny who you are.

02:08:50.000 I think it's better for the sport if Conor wins.

02:08:53.000 I don't know about all that.

02:08:54.000 I don't know about all that.

02:08:55.000 I do.

02:08:56.000 I don't.

02:08:56.000 I think if Conor loses, maybe it's good for the sport.

02:08:59.000 Oh, I disagree.

02:09:00.000 Why?

02:09:00.000 We need that fucking pink elephant in the room.

02:09:02.000 But what if it's a good fight?

02:09:04.000 What if it's a wild, good fight?

02:09:05.000 Okay, then what do you do with Conor?

02:09:07.000 Let's say he loses.

02:09:08.000 What do you do with him?

02:09:08.000 Rematch!

02:09:09.000 Or everybody else.

02:09:10.000 Okay, then you rematch.

02:09:11.000 You're highlighting the rest of the division.

02:09:13.000 Think about this division right now.

02:09:14.000 You've got Frankie Edgar who's about to fight Uriah Famer.

02:09:16.000 Terrible matchup for Conor.

02:09:18.000 Either one of those guys.

02:09:19.000 Either one, because they can wrestle their fucking ass off.

02:09:22.000 Uriah Faber would be interesting.

02:09:24.000 Because we really haven't seen him at 145 in a few years.

02:09:27.000 True.

02:09:27.000 He might be better at 145. He might be better with not cutting such an extreme amount of weight.

02:09:33.000 I mean, there's a reason why he's taking this fight.

02:09:34.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:09:35.000 I don't think that's an excursion into 145. We didn't expect that.

02:09:42.000 Nobody expected that.

02:09:42.000 He's in the hunt at 135 for the title.

02:09:45.000 But he doesn't want to fight his boy TJ. It's very interesting.

02:09:48.000 Very interesting.

02:09:49.000 And Conor's big enough where he can do super fights against Pettis.

02:09:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:53.000 Yeah.

02:09:54.000 Not Dos Anjos, but...

02:09:55.000 And then, you know, there's a lot of guys at 155 that would love to fight him.

02:09:59.000 There's a lot of guys at 155. The entire UFC wants to fight Conor.

02:10:01.000 What he brings to the table, all of them want to fight him.

02:10:04.000 Well, if he wins...

02:10:05.000 I just think his best matchup, which this is fucking insane to say, but just style-wise, all those are the best matchup in the top five for him.

02:10:11.000 After that, man, it's trouble, because we're talking about grapplers.

02:10:14.000 Mm-hmm.

02:10:15.000 Well, it's going to be interesting to see if he can hang with Aldo standing.

02:10:17.000 I mean, he clipped Poirier early in the fight.

02:10:19.000 He did hurt him, no doubt about it, but we didn't get to see an exchange.

02:10:23.000 No.

02:10:23.000 You know one thing about Conor?

02:10:25.000 That I feel that grapplers...

02:10:29.000 There's a really, really good sign, and I saw it firsthand.

02:10:40.000 Yeah.

02:10:55.000 So, I walk over, and I'm like, hey, dude, the first time I ever met him.

02:10:58.000 I said, hey, dude, what's up?

02:10:59.000 What the fuck are you doing here?

02:11:00.000 He goes, oh, mate.

02:11:02.000 You know, mate.

02:11:02.000 That don't say mate, right?

02:11:03.000 No, it's Australia or England.

02:11:04.000 Okay, well, I can't do an Irish accent, but I can't do any accents, but he...

02:11:09.000 We said, hey, what's up, you know?

02:11:12.000 I told him I'm a fan and all that shit.

02:11:14.000 And I said, hey, I'm just teaching, you know?

02:11:15.000 And he goes, okay, I just needed a bag to hit.

02:11:17.000 I was down the street at a hotel doing UFC shit.

02:11:20.000 So, I go back to class.

02:11:23.000 Within three minutes, he shows up on the mat and just says, we're your best guys.

02:11:28.000 And I said, oh, okay.

02:11:29.000 So I hooked him up with my best guys, and he just kept wanting to go with all my best guys.

02:11:34.000 That's amazing.

02:11:35.000 He's a great guy, too, man.

02:11:36.000 He's a great guy.

02:11:37.000 No UFC guys do that.

02:11:39.000 No UFC guys do that.

02:11:40.000 There's a lot of hardcore grapplers, and that's what they do.

02:11:43.000 They go from gym to gym and try to get different looks.

02:11:46.000 Guys are looking for the best competition, just looking for wars.

02:11:49.000 Looking for different style matchups, because if you're training with the same guy all the time, that's not good.

02:11:55.000 There's 200 styles out there and you're training with three styles every day, you're training with two styles every day, four styles.

02:12:00.000 You need big, giant classes where there's so many different styles.

02:12:04.000 So you see so many looks.

02:12:06.000 There's so many in grappling.

02:12:07.000 It's endless.

02:12:08.000 Conor's a brown belt.

02:12:10.000 So he showed up and you know what?

02:12:10.000 Yeah.

02:12:13.000 That showed me that he has the mentality to, he's not afraid to grapple and train and work with whoever on the ground to improve his grappling.

02:12:24.000 That's huge.

02:12:25.000 So from that point I thought, you know what, that's why he's good.

02:12:28.000 I agree.

02:12:28.000 I'm a Conor fan.

02:12:29.000 He's looking to evolve.

02:12:31.000 Yeah, I'm a Conor fan as well.

02:12:32.000 I think he's definitely an extraordinary human being.

02:12:35.000 I've never had a famous UFC fighter ever do that.

02:12:38.000 A lot of them come by and say hi.

02:12:40.000 I haven't been in there yet.

02:12:41.000 They stand by on the cage and they look in.

02:12:44.000 And a couple have trained, but when it came down to rolling, they didn't want to roll.

02:12:47.000 Famous UFC fighters generally...

02:12:50.000 I understand where they're coming from.

02:12:52.000 They're famous.

02:12:53.000 It's ego, man.

02:12:54.000 They train in some gym where they don't know the guys and, you know, there's gonna be cameras out and maybe he gets tapped out by a blue belt and then someone goes on the internet and goes, I just tapped out fucking da-da-da from the UFC. Guys in the UFC, they don't want that shit.

02:13:07.000 They don't want to get hurt, though, either.

02:13:08.000 Because there's gyms I've been to where I'll go with tough guys like You know, some black belts, some brown belts, and then there are studs in the corner waiting for me to get tired.

02:13:18.000 It's like, oh, last round, let's go, and then you end up getting hurt.

02:13:21.000 Yeah, that's a weird thing that people do when they sit back.

02:13:24.000 I don't think they're worried about getting hurt, unless they have a fight coming.

02:13:26.000 Unless they have a fight coming, like, next week or two weeks, then you don't grapple hard because you don't want to get hurt.

02:13:31.000 But I think they don't want to get tapped.

02:13:33.000 Yeah, that's true, too.

02:13:34.000 I think it's both.

02:13:35.000 I think it's ego, and they don't want to get hurt either.

02:13:36.000 But it is gross when you see dudes sitting out and waiting for you to get tired.

02:13:40.000 I'm like, come on, man.

02:13:40.000 I know.

02:13:40.000 And then they ask you to roll.

02:13:41.000 Like, you just sat out for, like, two rounds.

02:13:43.000 What are we doing, man?

02:13:44.000 You didn't even roll.

02:13:45.000 Are you trying to cheat?

02:13:46.000 Are you cheating?

02:13:47.000 You're trying to catch someone who just ran a marathon and ask them to race?

02:13:49.000 Yeah.

02:13:50.000 It's weird, man.

02:13:50.000 If there's guys that all they do is leg locks.

02:13:54.000 I can see a guy saying, hey, I don't want to get my legs hurt.

02:13:58.000 People believe that.

02:13:59.000 People believe that if you go against a guy that's going to attack your legs, you're going to get hurt.

02:14:04.000 I don't believe it anymore, but I can understand that.

02:14:04.000 I believe that shit.

02:14:07.000 Guys, there's dudes that are leg lock assassins.

02:14:10.000 There's also certain dudes who hurt dudes.

02:14:12.000 We know that.

02:14:14.000 That's their thing.

02:14:14.000 They don't give a fuck.

02:14:16.000 Well, that's the Toquino thing.

02:14:17.000 That's the Paul Harris thing.

02:14:18.000 They talk about that even in the gym.

02:14:20.000 They had a problem with him.

02:14:22.000 Like, more than one gym.

02:14:23.000 He can only train with his brother.

02:14:25.000 What?

02:14:26.000 He can only really train with his brother, because if he goes with anyone else, he just doesn't know how to turn it off.

02:14:30.000 He's fucking ripping limbs off.

02:14:31.000 Jesus Christ.

02:14:32.000 Well, I saw him roll with Mayhem.

02:14:33.000 He rolled with Mayhem, and Mayhem tapped, and he released.

02:14:36.000 But there's a video of it.

02:14:38.000 Where'd you see that?

02:14:38.000 There's a video of it online.

02:14:39.000 Was that a while ago?

02:14:41.000 It was in Brazil, back in the day.

02:14:42.000 He got him in a heel hook?

02:14:43.000 I think he got his back.

02:14:45.000 If I remember.

02:14:45.000 Really?

02:14:46.000 I forget.

02:14:46.000 Maybe an arm bar?

02:14:48.000 I forget.

02:14:48.000 It wasn't a heel hook, though.

02:14:50.000 He got him in a few things.

02:14:51.000 I think it's a combination of both, though, Eddie.

02:14:53.000 Ego, 100%.

02:14:55.000 For sure.

02:14:55.000 If there's a fight coming, 100%, you don't want to get hurt.

02:14:58.000 There's all this money, for sure.

02:15:00.000 But they're worried about being embarrassed.

02:15:02.000 Yeah.

02:15:03.000 That's why some guys never get good.

02:15:05.000 But not Connor.

02:15:05.000 I agree.

02:15:06.000 That's why I bring up Connor.

02:15:07.000 That's rare.

02:15:08.000 That's rare.

02:15:08.000 Conor's mentality, man, I'm telling you that dude is special, man.

02:15:11.000 Whether he wins this fight or not, that kid's gonna go a long ways in life.

02:15:15.000 Do you know what's interesting?

02:15:16.000 He's just a good dude.

02:15:16.000 He almost retired two years ago.

02:15:18.000 I know.

02:15:18.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:15:19.000 Why?

02:15:20.000 He had a friend that couldn't fight anymore.

02:15:22.000 He had a friend apparently had been injured so much in fighting that he was done.

02:15:26.000 And, you know, he was thinking, like, what am I doing?

02:15:29.000 I think I'm done.

02:15:30.000 And he actually didn't show up for his boxing classes.

02:15:35.000 He was teaching a boxing class and didn't show up for like six days or something like that.

02:15:38.000 And then finally his manager calls him up.

02:15:39.000 Two weeks.

02:15:40.000 Two weeks.

02:15:41.000 His manager calls him up and his manager says, hey, do you want to fight in the UFC? And he's like, oh shit, here we go.

02:15:48.000 And he just decided to go full on into it.

02:15:51.000 Just went full on into it.

02:15:52.000 He's really into not sparring with striking.

02:15:56.000 He's really into that.

02:15:57.000 Working on technique more than anything.

02:16:01.000 Very smart.

02:16:01.000 Super smart.

02:16:02.000 Very into not sparring.

02:16:03.000 Jamie Varner was saying.

02:16:04.000 Very into not sparring and doing damage.

02:16:05.000 You know, Mitrione does the same thing too.

02:16:07.000 When Mitrione first told me that, I was like, because Mitrione's a weird, Mitrione's very smart, but he's a weird dude.

02:16:12.000 He's different.

02:16:13.000 He goes, I don't spar, man.

02:16:14.000 I just kind of, I get to the close and I bring it back.

02:16:17.000 He goes, you know, we'll spar.

02:16:18.000 You can hit me, but I'm not going to hit you.

02:16:21.000 Why?

02:16:21.000 He doesn't want to do it.

02:16:23.000 That's weird.

02:16:24.000 But your own doesn't spar full go.

02:16:25.000 It's working.

02:16:26.000 He's on a tear, man.

02:16:27.000 It's obviously working.

02:16:28.000 Well, I think there's a lot of those Thai guys do that.

02:16:31.000 That's a big thing in Muay Thai.

02:16:33.000 Like, John Wayne Parr was talking about that when he did the podcast, that they play all the time.

02:16:37.000 Dwayne!

02:16:38.000 Yeah.

02:16:38.000 Dwayne's the same way, man.

02:16:40.000 Well, Dwayne has a whole system worked out.

02:16:41.000 Dwayne is a fascinating cat.

02:16:43.000 He has a whole system worked out as far as getting people comfortable with striking and where he takes you into it step by step.

02:16:50.000 I would love to have him explain it.

02:16:52.000 I don't know, actually, if he'd be willing to.

02:16:54.000 Maybe it's his trade secret.

02:16:55.000 He has a whole belt system, too.

02:16:57.000 Yeah.

02:16:57.000 He has a whole belt system.

02:16:58.000 Very smart dude when it comes to striking.

02:17:00.000 I was really really impressed when I saw him working with TJ. Yeah, I was really impressed Hell yeah, I was like wow like Dwayne bang Ludwig.

02:17:10.000 It's on some next-level shit.

02:17:11.000 You know the striking coaching the thing is with striking is the ego thing too, but we see it in the NFL the Guys, especially in college too, at these big colleges in the NFL, guys used to hit four times a week.

02:17:22.000 Kill each other four times a week.

02:17:23.000 And then some coaches are like, well, this isn't smart.

02:17:25.000 The guys aren't getting to the game.

02:17:26.000 They look like shit in the game.

02:17:27.000 So then schools like Michigan and Ohio State, they pulled it back.

02:17:31.000 And then they were successful.

02:17:33.000 Then everyone followed them.

02:17:34.000 Well, now we see it in the UFC where, listen, you don't get to the UFC without being tough.

02:17:39.000 You're tough, man.

02:17:40.000 There's no need to do these gym battles and take it out of you.

02:17:43.000 That's exactly what Jamie Varner was saying.

02:17:45.000 Those are his exact words.

02:17:47.000 And I haven't listened to a word Jamie Varner says.

02:17:49.000 I love Jamie Varner.

02:17:50.000 He's a great guy, but I haven't listened to it.

02:17:52.000 I believe you.

02:17:53.000 But you don't need to do it in the gym, man.

02:17:55.000 Yeah, there needs to be some sort of protocol established for training, like a real consensus protocol when it comes to contact.

02:18:05.000 Like how much contact should you have?

02:18:06.000 Or even mapping out a camp.

02:18:08.000 What if there's a protocol for an eight-week camp you're going to spar in these days, you're going to do this, and it's just the way it should be, and it's down to a T. What if someone figured that out?

02:18:18.000 How dope would that be?

02:18:19.000 The way your nutritionist has figured out your diet.

02:18:21.000 Yes.

02:18:21.000 Have that for your whole system.

02:18:23.000 Everything you do.

02:18:23.000 Isn't that what they do?

02:18:25.000 Some places.

02:18:26.000 Well, not really.

02:18:27.000 Some places, team takedown.

02:18:28.000 I guarantee you Mark Lehman does shit like that.

02:18:30.000 Mark Lehman does that, and it works for Johnny Hendrix.

02:18:32.000 Right.

02:18:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:18:33.000 Right.

02:18:33.000 Well, he knows Johnny Hendrix like that.

02:18:35.000 He knows Johnny very well.

02:18:36.000 I don't know what that means.

02:18:36.000 Yeah.

02:18:37.000 Well, all it would take is...

02:18:39.000 All it would take...

02:18:40.000 Finger in somebody.

02:18:41.000 Hey, Brendan, all it would take is figuring out, okay, where are you going to put your wrestling during the week?

02:18:47.000 Where are you going to put your striking?

02:18:49.000 Everyone does that.

02:18:50.000 Everyone does that.

02:18:51.000 What else are you talking about?

02:18:51.000 But where is it overtraining?

02:18:53.000 When should you spar?

02:18:55.000 Yeah, include that, too.

02:18:57.000 Sparring day, wrestle this day.

02:18:59.000 I'm with you, but to where it's the most efficient.

02:19:01.000 Because now I was sparring when I got ready for Trash Brown.

02:19:05.000 I was sparring fucking hard twice a week at Black House.

02:19:09.000 Fucking hard, man.

02:19:10.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:19:11.000 Do you think that's a bad idea?

02:19:12.000 Bad idea.

02:19:13.000 You said this also about your Ben Rothwell fight, sparring with Carwin.

02:19:13.000 Bad idea.

02:19:16.000 I got knocked out before the Ben Rothwell fight by Carwin.

02:19:19.000 Left hook.

02:19:20.000 How far out?

02:19:24.000 Before I fought in O'Gara, Carwin...

02:19:27.000 Rocked me so bad two weeks before.

02:19:30.000 In front of everyone.

02:19:33.000 And then we're on the ground.

02:19:34.000 Let me tell the story.

02:19:35.000 I'm getting ready.

02:19:36.000 We do an open gym in Denver.

02:19:38.000 Hey, come check out local fucking guy, Brendan Schaub in Denver, getting ready to fight in O'Gare in Brazil like an asshole.

02:19:44.000 We invite family, everyone.

02:19:46.000 It's like Rocky II. Yes.

02:19:47.000 I haven't seen Shane, and he's helped me nothing this camp.

02:19:50.000 Shane's on a boat an hour away.

02:19:53.000 My coach goes, bro, you're supposed to be here.

02:19:54.000 Shane goes, oh, shit, it's Saturday?

02:19:56.000 Yeah, man, Brendan's banking on you.

02:19:58.000 There's fucking everyone here.

02:19:59.000 He goes, all right, give me a second.

02:20:02.000 Hour, fucking shade, smells like sunscreen, sunburnt, just all shitty.

02:20:07.000 He goes, who has gloves?

02:20:09.000 Gets gloves on.

02:20:10.000 I think he had cut off jean shorts and a fucking Van Halen shirt.

02:20:14.000 He had Daisy Duke on?

02:20:14.000 Just some Daisy Duke.

02:20:15.000 Van Halen shirt.

02:20:17.000 Literally tells his son, he's like, just wait over there.

02:20:20.000 I'm like, I'm gonna fucking destroy this hick.

02:20:23.000 What the fuck you doing, Shane?

02:20:24.000 He's like, you ready?

02:20:25.000 Cracks neck to the side.

02:20:26.000 I'm like, yeah.

02:20:27.000 Just fucking tubs at me like a fucking great white shark.

02:20:32.000 Left hook.

02:20:33.000 Boom!

02:20:34.000 I'm like, whoa!

02:20:36.000 Remind you, all my family and friends are like, oh my god, Shane's gonna kill shop.

02:20:39.000 Shane's on top, ground and pounding.

02:20:41.000 After he drops you?

02:20:42.000 After he drops me, I come to, I go, what the fuck are you doing?

02:20:46.000 He goes, sorry bro, here, get up, get up, and then take me down.

02:20:50.000 I'm like, no, this isn't WWE. I'm like, stop, stop.

02:20:54.000 I told my coach, I'm like, I'm fucking rocked, man.

02:20:56.000 And then I fight Noguera.

02:20:58.000 Wow.

02:20:59.000 And he knew that you were about to have a fight.

02:21:02.000 Shane's super old school, man.

02:21:04.000 No one made me more tougher than Shane.

02:21:06.000 No one gave me more head trauma than Shane Carlin.

02:21:08.000 Jesus Christ.

02:21:10.000 Love that guy.

02:21:11.000 So the Rothwell fight, how far out was it?

02:21:14.000 Jesus Christ.

02:21:23.000 Oh my God.

02:21:37.000 That's what I would do, and I used to bank on it.

02:21:39.000 People were like, oh, you're the best, Shab, that was so cool.

02:21:42.000 I'm like, yeah, thanks, man.

02:21:43.000 You used to bank on that?

02:21:45.000 It was like my thing.

02:21:46.000 It was like, yeah, Shab, go toe-to-toe with Garwin, man.

02:21:48.000 This is so cool.

02:21:51.000 Bad idea, man.

02:21:52.000 Then I'd go in the bathroom to throw up.

02:21:53.000 I'd get in my car.

02:21:54.000 I wouldn't know how to drive home.

02:21:56.000 Oh, my God.

02:21:57.000 Shane would tell me the same thing.

02:21:58.000 Call me.

02:21:59.000 That was amazing, brother.

02:22:00.000 I'm fucked up.

02:22:03.000 True story, man.

02:22:05.000 That's some Cheech and Chong conversation.

02:22:07.000 I know.

02:22:08.000 Dude, it's like, dude, where's my car?

02:22:10.000 Oh my god, that's so crazy.

02:22:12.000 That's so crazy.

02:22:14.000 When I think back on it, now I'd be like, no, get the fuck out of here.

02:22:17.000 Like, when I was getting ready for camp at Black House, they do this thing where they do rounds, and you have to leave your foot in, they put three cones out, you have to leave your foot in the cone, and then spar, guys.

02:22:26.000 Just to work on, you know, staying in the pocket, moving.

02:22:29.000 Right.

02:22:29.000 And I was just getting started, man.

02:22:31.000 And they were doing like 12 rounds.

02:22:34.000 What?

02:22:34.000 Yeah, and I did like six.

02:22:36.000 Did you rotate guys?

02:22:37.000 Yeah, you'd rotate guys.

02:22:39.000 Oh my God.

02:22:40.000 And I did like six, and then I was like, dude, I'm taking some shots here.

02:22:42.000 And this is an older, you know, big brown.

02:22:45.000 I was like, I'm good, man.

02:22:46.000 I'm done.

02:22:47.000 I wish I was that smart when I was young.

02:22:51.000 See, different people have different systems as far as teaching people how to strike and moving in, like, certain positions every time, time and time again.

02:22:59.000 When you watch, like, the really high-level kickboxers from Holland, they all have, like, a very systematic approach.

02:23:04.000 Yeah.

02:23:04.000 Like, I'd love to get you to sit down with, or to train, rather, with Rob Kamen.

02:23:09.000 Rob Kamen is a really interesting guy when it comes to that stuff.

02:23:11.000 He's got a system, and he teaches a system a lot like a lot of people teach a jiu-jitsu system.

02:23:17.000 Not as complex as, like, your system, because your system is just...

02:23:20.000 Infinite number of moves and positions, but came and had like a deep, deep knowledge of that Dutch style kickboxing.

02:23:27.000 And he's a heavyweight.

02:23:28.000 And he's trained heavyweights, right?

02:23:30.000 He's a big fella.

02:23:31.000 I don't know if he's...

02:23:32.000 Technically, he's over 205 pounds.

02:23:34.000 Yeah, I mean, he's a bigger dude.

02:23:35.000 He's a big fella.

02:23:36.000 Well, he's a bad motherfucker.

02:23:37.000 Rob Kamen, if you go back and watch his highlight reel, he was tremendous.

02:23:41.000 His technique was spectacular.

02:23:43.000 He's in Santa Monica, right?

02:23:44.000 He's here now.

02:23:45.000 I think he's staying in Topanga, but he's here now.

02:23:47.000 He's in town.

02:23:48.000 What a great guy, too.

02:23:50.000 Just a sweetheart of a guy.

02:23:51.000 But he's interesting, because he was responsible for a lot of Brandon Vera's early success.

02:23:58.000 That's why I know the name.

02:23:58.000 That's right.

02:24:00.000 Yeah, he was working with Brendan Vera early in his career.

02:24:03.000 And whether or not that's why Brendan was so successful, it's up to debate, you know?

02:24:08.000 But he was doing really well back then when he was with Kamen.

02:24:11.000 Makes sense.

02:24:12.000 I mean, that's when he beat Frank Mir.

02:24:13.000 That's when he beat a lot of guys back then.

02:24:16.000 Remember that Silver?

02:24:17.000 Remember that heavyweight Silver?

02:24:18.000 Swerio Silva.

02:24:19.000 Yes.

02:24:19.000 Was that who it was?

02:24:20.000 Yeah.

02:24:21.000 Did he guillotine him?

02:24:22.000 That was nasty.

02:24:22.000 Guillotine him.

02:24:23.000 Who did he head-kick KO'd?

02:24:23.000 That's right.

02:24:25.000 He head-kick KO'd Justin Eilers?

02:24:27.000 Yeah, bad.

02:24:28.000 Justin Eilers.

02:24:29.000 And then he kneed Frank Mir, remember?

02:24:32.000 Mm-hmm.

02:24:32.000 That's right.

02:24:34.000 And then he got on the mic and was like, I'm going to be the first fighter ever.

02:24:36.000 Heavyweight, light heavyweight.

02:24:37.000 Yeah.

02:24:38.000 He looked good back then, man.

02:24:39.000 Fuck, he was nasty.

02:24:41.000 And those are the Rob Kamen days.

02:24:41.000 He looked good.

02:24:44.000 Related or not related I don't know and then there was but there was also when you talk about him You got to talk about he had a contract dispute so he's out for a long time There's a contract dispute for the UFC came back a lot of pressure on him didn't perform that well when he came back Just that taking that downtime off for contract disputes to that can fuck with your head,

02:25:01.000 man I think he's still fighting in 1FC. Yeah, he is.

02:25:05.000 Yeah, he is.

02:25:06.000 He's a heavyweight.

02:25:06.000 Back to heavyweight.

02:25:07.000 Yeah.

02:25:08.000 He said, fuck this diet.

02:25:09.000 Yeah, well, especially 1FC. I don't know what sort of Mexican supplements they test for.

02:25:15.000 Yeah, I don't either.

02:25:16.000 Do they have the full menu of Mexican supplements?

02:25:19.000 That's trouble fighting a Brandon Vera on anything.

02:25:19.000 I don't know.

02:25:23.000 Well, a lot of these guys, they say, like, you know, let them take it.

02:25:26.000 You know, have an organization where they do take it.

02:25:26.000 Why not?

02:25:28.000 Let's see what happens.

02:25:29.000 You know, if you've got international fighters that fight over there, just say, hey, this is the pride of Asia.

02:25:34.000 This is how it goes.

02:25:35.000 We're not going to test it for steroids.

02:25:37.000 We don't have to over here.

02:25:38.000 That'd be interesting.

02:25:39.000 Does 1FC test?

02:25:40.000 I don't know.

02:25:40.000 I have no idea.

02:25:41.000 Well, Rich Franklin's the big dog over there, right?

02:25:44.000 He's running it.

02:25:44.000 Yeah.

02:25:45.000 He's running it.

02:25:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:25:47.000 Does 1FC test for steroids?

02:25:47.000 Okay, let's ask.

02:25:49.000 What do you think?

02:25:50.000 I'm going to say no.

02:25:51.000 I would say no to fuck no.

02:25:54.000 I mean, anything outside the United States, I'm always sketchy about, man.

02:26:01.000 Alright, let's see.

02:26:02.000 I don't give a fuck where it is.

02:26:02.000 Does one have some tests for steroids?

02:26:10.000 Let's see.

02:26:11.000 Steroid use in American football.

02:26:12.000 Why does it think football and Dana White admits...

02:26:15.000 Yeah, is that it?

02:26:18.000 You gotta get on Twitter for that.

02:26:20.000 You think so?

02:26:21.000 You gotta just ask people.

02:26:21.000 You think?

02:26:23.000 Someone text Rich Franklin?

02:26:25.000 Is he really gonna tell us?

02:26:26.000 Someone's gotta know on Twitter.

02:26:27.000 Do they test for steroids at 1FC? Is it the number one?

02:26:31.000 Is it number one FC? 0NEFC. Let's try this.

02:26:38.000 1FC champion versus champion.

02:26:40.000 Ben Askren.

02:26:41.000 Bitches and beauties.

02:26:43.000 Doesn't say.

02:26:46.000 I don't know.

02:26:47.000 Oh, drug tests.

02:26:48.000 Okay.

02:26:48.000 We're clean.

02:26:49.000 That means they have a drug test.

02:26:51.000 Dude, but Pride used to say they're clean.

02:26:53.000 How dare you?

02:26:55.000 Pride was like, nah, we're good.

02:26:56.000 Yeah, we're good.

02:26:58.000 George Oliveira.

02:26:59.000 That isn't our George Oliveira, is it?

02:27:00.000 Yeah, he fought for them for a while.

02:27:02.000 For 1FC? I didn't know that.

02:27:05.000 Yeah.

02:27:06.000 What do you mean, which George Oliveira are you talking about?

02:27:08.000 From Legends.

02:27:09.000 I think it's him, isn't it?

02:27:11.000 First of all, well, it says drug tests were clean, stained that George Oliveira tested positive 4 steroids.

02:27:16.000 How dare that?

02:27:17.000 Let's check.

02:27:23.000 Like I said, man, anything outside the United States makes me skeptical hippo.

02:27:28.000 Skeptical hippo?

02:27:29.000 Have you ever seen that meme?

02:27:30.000 It's a skeptical with just sketchy eyes.

02:27:33.000 No.

02:27:35.000 Skeptical Hippo?

02:27:36.000 Yeah.

02:27:37.000 It's a funny meme.

02:27:38.000 Have you seen it?

02:27:39.000 Oh, this is a different guy.

02:27:40.000 That's George Oliveira that tested positive in the Ryan LaFlair fight.

02:27:44.000 That's the guy who fought Ryan LaFlair in the UFC recently.

02:27:54.000 Right?

02:27:54.000 He didn't fight Ryan LeFlair.

02:27:56.000 He fought in the Ryan LeFlair undercard, excuse me.

02:27:59.000 LeFlair fought Damian Maia.

02:28:01.000 Oh, Damian Maia looked good in that fight.

02:28:03.000 Maia looked great, right?

02:28:04.000 LeFlair's tough to do.

02:28:05.000 This is our buddy.

02:28:07.000 That's our buddy, Oliveira.

02:28:12.000 Skeptical hippo.

02:28:13.000 Skeptical.

02:28:14.000 There it is.

02:28:15.000 That's my face when you ask if they do steroids.

02:28:20.000 Oh, I know that guy.

02:28:22.000 I've trained with that guy.

02:28:24.000 He's a black belt, right?

02:28:25.000 So obviously there's more than one George Oliveira.

02:28:28.000 Wait, he's not your friend?

02:28:29.000 No, that guy is.

02:28:30.000 That guy is our friend.

02:28:32.000 From Legend.

02:28:33.000 Yeah, from Legend, right?

02:28:35.000 Legend's MMA, back in the day, was a fun place, man.

02:28:39.000 I bought a t-shirt.

02:28:40.000 I came to LA with a buddy, and at the time I wasn't fighting.

02:28:43.000 I went to Legends just because Randy Couture owned it.

02:28:45.000 I bought a t-shirt like a fanboy.

02:28:47.000 Wore it around.

02:28:49.000 Awesome.

02:28:50.000 Hey, let's watch that fight if we can.

02:28:52.000 Let's see if we can watch that...

02:28:54.000 Iaquinta?

02:28:55.000 Yeah, the Al Iaquinta fight.

02:28:57.000 That was the one that we wanted to watch, and the other one that we wanted to watch was the KO, the Gustafson-Anthony Johnson fight.

02:29:04.000 Oh, yeah, with the headbutt.

02:29:05.000 Go take a pee, young man.

02:29:05.000 We'll watch that first.

02:29:09.000 If we have time, I would love your opinion on Kathy Long's highlight reel.

02:29:15.000 Oh, she's dope, dude.

02:29:16.000 I've seen her fight before.

02:29:17.000 She was one of those American kickboxers from back in the day, right?

02:29:21.000 Dude, she moved very well.

02:29:23.000 Very well.

02:29:24.000 Yeah, she was badass, dude.

02:29:26.000 She was badass.

02:29:27.000 She wants to fight.

02:29:28.000 Does she?

02:29:28.000 Yeah, she's trying to get a fight right now.

02:29:30.000 She's 51. And she's in great shape.

02:29:33.000 She's 51?

02:29:34.000 I see her twice a week at my gym.

02:29:34.000 She's in great shape.

02:29:36.000 She's in great shape, man.

02:29:38.000 Wow.

02:29:39.000 Yeah, she's trying to get a fight, but...

02:29:40.000 That's amazing, 51. Invicta should look into her.

02:29:44.000 Kathy Long can still strike.

02:29:46.000 She's still badass.

02:29:48.000 And she's got decent defensive jiu-jitsu.

02:29:52.000 She actually fought MMA like two, three years ago.

02:29:55.000 Did she really?

02:29:56.000 Yeah, she fought in...

02:29:57.000 Ooh, what show is that?

02:29:59.000 That's up on YouTube, too.

02:30:02.000 She won.

02:30:03.000 She was 49 and she won.

02:30:05.000 Wow.

02:30:06.000 That's amazing.

02:30:08.000 She really wants to fight, dude.

02:30:10.000 She is vicious.

02:30:11.000 Really?

02:30:12.000 Yeah, she's 51 and she wants to fight, like, now.

02:30:16.000 It's just hard.

02:30:17.000 It's like, I guess promoters are worried about her age.

02:30:21.000 Yeah, it's hard to sell that, man.

02:30:23.000 It's hard to sell that.

02:30:24.000 But when you look at her highlight reel, dude, you're like, oh shit, she could probably pull it off.

02:30:28.000 I think people today are more worried about people getting hurt that are older than ever before, you know?

02:30:34.000 But look at what Krokop just did.

02:30:36.000 Shit.

02:30:37.000 40. 40 and a hard 40. A 40, you know, of a guy who has been fighting top-level competition for a long time.

02:30:37.000 How old is Krokop?

02:30:49.000 In and out of the gym.

02:30:51.000 I don't think it's on...

02:30:52.000 They don't have it on Fight Pass, goddammit.

02:30:56.000 I don't know.

02:30:57.000 Is it a fox fight?

02:30:59.000 Yeah, it is a fox fight.

02:31:00.000 Maybe it doesn't get on Fight Pass because of that.

02:31:03.000 Makes sense.

02:31:05.000 Yeah, it doesn't appear to be in the library unless I'm retarded, which is punishable.

02:31:10.000 Can't find it.

02:31:13.000 Anthony Johnson, you should be able to...

02:31:17.000 No, that's what I'm looking for.

02:31:18.000 I'm not bad at that B-shop graphic down there with LeVar Johnson.

02:31:22.000 Nice pretty young anaconda.

02:31:25.000 Let's try...

02:31:26.000 Let's see if we can find the Al Iaquinta fight here.

02:31:31.000 I think if it's not, I think I have it on DirecTV.

02:31:37.000 I think I saved those here.

02:31:40.000 Let's see.

02:31:41.000 All right, Quinta versus Ross Pearson.

02:31:44.000 That's a good fight.

02:31:46.000 All right, Quinta.

02:31:50.000 Doesn't seem to be on here either.

02:31:53.000 All right, Quinta Masvidal.

02:31:57.000 Come on, bitch.

02:32:01.000 Doesn't look like that's on there, man.

02:32:03.000 I mean, can you get the...

02:32:06.000 God, then you get into some weird shit.

02:32:08.000 I was gonna say you can get the replay.

02:32:10.000 There it is, there.

02:32:11.000 It's not on Fight Pass?

02:32:13.000 Okay, cool.

02:32:13.000 It's somewhere else.

02:32:14.000 Go full screen on that shit, son.

02:32:16.000 Don't be scared.

02:32:17.000 What is it on?

02:32:17.000 There it is.

02:32:18.000 Is it something illegal?

02:32:19.000 Are we legally streaming right now?

02:32:20.000 Maybe.

02:32:21.000 God damn it.

02:32:22.000 Damn it, Jamie!

02:32:24.000 You're going to get us in trouble.

02:32:25.000 We're going to watch this fight to see how clearly we can see that.

02:32:28.000 I'm sure we can find just the highlight.

02:32:30.000 It's a choppy video of the two.

02:32:31.000 Is it choppy?

02:32:31.000 I'm sure you can find the highlight video.

02:32:35.000 Did you use that new component?

02:32:36.000 I didn't have a chance to figure it out.

02:32:38.000 Oh, okay.

02:32:39.000 Let's just see it for a second.

02:32:41.000 This is going to be too choppy to be able to distinguish whether or not it was a headbutt.

02:32:41.000 Yeah, you know what?

02:32:44.000 I'm sure you can get a slow-mo highlight of it.

02:32:46.000 But how come it looks okay when you're on a short screen like that?

02:32:49.000 Because it does.

02:32:51.000 Oh, really?

02:32:52.000 Oh, I was trying to catch up.

02:32:53.000 So it's like a video card thing?

02:32:54.000 Yeah.

02:32:55.000 Wow.

02:32:56.000 And that's what that little component's for?

02:32:58.000 To make it better, yeah.

02:32:59.000 Okay.

02:33:00.000 So this is post-KO. We're going to have to take it to the moment he gets hurt.

02:33:06.000 This is a fight I haven't seen.

02:33:07.000 I was on a plane when this happened.

02:33:08.000 Oh, really?

02:33:08.000 Yeah.

02:33:09.000 Yeah, you've got to take it way back before that, Jamie.

02:33:11.000 Way back.

02:33:12.000 Like, right about there.

02:33:16.000 Like right about where the cursor was.

02:33:18.000 You need to go further back.

02:33:21.000 Because he heard him and then he stalked him down for a while.

02:33:25.000 There it is.

02:33:28.000 Flick to the eye.

02:33:29.000 This means the fight is already over.

02:33:31.000 Oh, that's the poke to the eye.

02:33:32.000 Okay.

02:33:33.000 So this is the start up after the poke to the eye.

02:33:34.000 Here we go.

02:33:37.000 Boom, that's it.

02:33:38.000 That's it.

02:33:38.000 That's what did it right there.

02:33:40.000 It's a right hand as well, man.

02:33:41.000 You need to see the slow motion, man.

02:33:44.000 I think Anthony is going to win this fight anyways, whether that headbutt happened or not, but in this certain case, the headbutt's what fucking destroyed Alexander.

02:33:52.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:33:53.000 Okay, so tell me what you think.

02:33:54.000 Him versus Jon Jones.

02:33:55.000 What happens?

02:33:56.000 Jon's reach is too much.

02:33:57.000 Jon will take him down an inside leg trip, wear him out, elbows from the guard.

02:34:02.000 Might submit him or TKO him.

02:34:04.000 I think it goes three rounds.

02:34:06.000 Wow.

02:34:07.000 Strong words.

02:34:08.000 And I'm a fan of Anthony.

02:34:10.000 I like Anthony.

02:34:11.000 He's a fucking nightmare.

02:34:12.000 Boom, boom, boom.

02:34:13.000 It's interesting.

02:34:14.000 But every fight, John, we're like, here's the guy.

02:34:16.000 Here's the guy who's going to beat him.

02:34:18.000 Here he is.

02:34:19.000 Wrong.

02:34:20.000 Well, how long can Rumble do this?

02:34:22.000 Like, how long can he fight like this?

02:34:24.000 Like, this is extreme pace he's putting on Gustafson.

02:34:27.000 It's like he's gambling that he's going to finish Gustafson.

02:34:30.000 I mean, he's going full at them, and he's got them hurt real bad, and it worked here.

02:34:34.000 Yeah, if a guy can recover, get to guard or something?

02:34:37.000 If a guy can keep from getting hit...

02:34:38.000 Jesus Christ, those uppercuts.

02:34:40.000 Nasty, man.

02:34:41.000 If a guy can keep from getting tagged by him and can take him into the third, fourth, and fifth rounds, what does that look like?

02:34:47.000 Well, against Phil Davis, he looked pretty fucking scary.

02:34:51.000 He looked scary in the second, and he looked scary in the third.

02:34:54.000 But that was Phil Davis, who doesn't present as many striking dangers as Jon Jones does.

02:35:00.000 You gotta remember, Jon Jones dismantled Vitor.

02:35:03.000 Vitor's very similar to Anthony Johnson.

02:35:05.000 When Jon fought him, he was.

02:35:07.000 Explosive as fuck.

02:35:08.000 Powerful.

02:35:09.000 Remember that?

02:35:10.000 Yeah.

02:35:10.000 Yeah, he got caught on that arm bar, but he ended up submitting Vitor.

02:35:13.000 But Vitor's considerably smaller.

02:35:15.000 Not at the time.

02:35:16.000 Think about Vitor roided the fuck to the gills.

02:35:19.000 Yeah, I mean, he weighed 205, but he's a different 205 than this fucking guy.

02:35:24.000 Man!

02:35:25.000 Let me see that again.

02:35:26.000 See that again.

02:35:27.000 That was interesting.

02:35:29.000 Look.

02:35:30.000 Head lands.

02:35:31.000 That lands.

02:35:32.000 I've got to see it from the other angle.

02:35:34.000 From that angle, it didn't look like it was a headbutt.

02:35:34.000 Me too.

02:35:36.000 It didn't?

02:35:37.000 No.

02:35:38.000 Okay, let's see it again.

02:35:38.000 Not to me.

02:35:39.000 Here we go.

02:35:39.000 We're going to see it right here.

02:35:40.000 Watch this.

02:35:41.000 Boom!

02:35:42.000 Oh, dude, that's a right hand.

02:35:43.000 Let me see one more time.

02:35:44.000 One more time.

02:35:45.000 See, that's what I'm saying.

02:35:46.000 It seems so...

02:35:47.000 That angle's rough.

02:35:48.000 Let me see one more time.

02:35:50.000 And then he seemed alright after that.

02:35:52.000 He was moving around and dancing.

02:35:53.000 He's pretty fucked up.

02:35:56.000 I felt so bad for him.

02:35:58.000 Here we go.

02:35:58.000 One more time.

02:36:01.000 One more time.

02:36:01.000 Here's the kick.

02:36:03.000 Bam.

02:36:04.000 Dude, I think the head didn't hit.

02:36:06.000 I think the head goes through the side.

02:36:07.000 You're crazy.

02:36:07.000 It's hard to tell, man.

02:36:08.000 We need a better angle.

02:36:09.000 Because that right hand, not this one, this one looks like it landed.

02:36:09.000 Let's see.

02:36:12.000 His head hit his shoulder.

02:36:13.000 His head hit his shoulder.

02:36:14.000 It doesn't, man.

02:36:15.000 At that angle, it does.

02:36:17.000 I'm telling you, if you can get the other view on the other side.

02:36:19.000 Keep going back to that same spot.

02:36:21.000 His head would cock back if he got head-butted.

02:36:24.000 Check it out again.

02:36:25.000 You'd be able to see the impact.

02:36:26.000 Dude, I think the head goes to the left and the right hand lands.

02:36:30.000 You might have bumped heads at the same time.

02:36:32.000 This is a bad angle.

02:36:32.000 It is possible.

02:36:34.000 See, there was no point of impact.

02:36:35.000 That's not good.

02:36:36.000 Go back to that other angle.

02:36:37.000 You would see the impact.

02:36:38.000 The other side you can tell, though.

02:36:40.000 This is like this is a Pruder film.

02:36:42.000 Bam.

02:36:43.000 Could have hit him.

02:36:44.000 Could have hit him on the right eyebrow.

02:36:46.000 Can't you type in headbutt on YouTube or something for me?

02:36:50.000 Because they give you different angles.

02:36:52.000 Look at this.

02:36:52.000 Here it is one more time.

02:36:54.000 Boom!

02:36:55.000 You think that right hand landed that hard to do that?

02:36:58.000 The right hand was hard.

02:36:59.000 What did you think it landed that hard?

02:37:01.000 Look how fucking hard he's throwing it.

02:37:03.000 He's throwing his whole body into it.

02:37:04.000 That angle looks bad.

02:37:06.000 The other one, it doesn't.

02:37:06.000 Let's see it one more time.

02:37:08.000 Let's see it one more time from that other angle.

02:37:10.000 I'm telling you, if we can just pull some bullshit, you can get another angle on YouTube.

02:37:14.000 One more time, one more time.

02:37:15.000 It's like some kid in the crowd.

02:37:16.000 You're saying that he didn't throw his right hand hard is crazy.

02:37:19.000 Right here, it doesn't look hard.

02:37:19.000 Watch this.

02:37:20.000 Wham!

02:37:21.000 Are you kidding me?

02:37:22.000 Right there, doesn't it?

02:37:23.000 Oh, you're so crazy.

02:37:24.000 He throws everything into that punch.

02:37:26.000 Look at this.

02:37:26.000 Right here, it looks like fucking Mike Tyson.

02:37:28.000 See it again.

02:37:30.000 Back it up again.

02:37:31.000 Back it up again on his clavicle.

02:37:32.000 Dude, he's...

02:37:33.000 I'm telling you, there's a thing on YouTube on the other side.

02:37:37.000 But this right hand.

02:37:38.000 The idea that he's not throwing that hard is so crazy.

02:37:40.000 He punched him a lot in the clavicle.

02:37:42.000 It landed right here and knocked him down.

02:37:43.000 It didn't land in the face.

02:37:44.000 No, it hits his face and then it hits the clavicle.

02:37:47.000 Look, it hits both.

02:37:49.000 Watch this.

02:37:49.000 Right here it doesn't.

02:37:50.000 Right here it doesn't.

02:37:51.000 Dude, that hit his fucking cheek.

02:37:51.000 The head hits, that hits.

02:37:53.000 It hit his fucking cheek.

02:37:55.000 Oh, come on, back it up again.

02:37:55.000 Ooh, I disagree.

02:37:56.000 Look, it hits his fucking face, it hits his cheek, and then it goes into his collarbone.

02:38:01.000 Watch this.

02:38:02.000 Boom!

02:38:03.000 Dude, it hits his face first.

02:38:04.000 It hits right here.

02:38:05.000 You're blind.

02:38:05.000 You need to go to a doctor.

02:38:06.000 Are you serious?

02:38:07.000 Look at this.

02:38:09.000 Boom!

02:38:10.000 That punch hits his face.

02:38:11.000 You see his hair go like this.

02:38:12.000 Dude, that punch 100% hits his face.

02:38:15.000 Do you see elves?

02:38:15.000 Hear me out.

02:38:16.000 When you get up in the morning, do you ever see elves?

02:38:18.000 100%.

02:38:18.000 No, Jamie.

02:38:20.000 There's an angle from the other side.

02:38:21.000 One more time, Jamie.

02:38:22.000 No, this isn't the evidence.

02:38:24.000 This isn't the evidence.

02:38:25.000 It's not just a video.

02:38:26.000 No big deal.

02:38:26.000 No, there's a video from the other side, bro.

02:38:28.000 One more time.

02:38:29.000 Here we go.

02:38:30.000 Dink!

02:38:31.000 Chin.

02:38:32.000 That was not good.

02:38:33.000 Cheek and jaw.

02:38:34.000 Now watch this next one.

02:38:36.000 Clear as fuck.

02:38:37.000 Look at his hair.

02:38:38.000 Bam!

02:38:38.000 In the face before it hits anything else.

02:38:41.000 His head goes that way from a headbutt.

02:38:42.000 Did you see his hair?

02:38:43.000 The proof is in the hair.

02:38:45.000 It didn't matter.

02:38:45.000 The punch lands on the fucking cheek.

02:38:47.000 That's what you were arguing against.

02:38:48.000 You were saying it hits his clavicle.

02:38:49.000 It definitely doesn't hit his clavicle.

02:38:51.000 That punch hits his face and then glances off and then hits him on the chin.

02:38:55.000 Here's the other view.

02:38:56.000 Here's the other view.

02:38:57.000 What are you talking about?

02:38:57.000 This view?

02:38:58.000 You can't see the punch land.

02:38:59.000 You can see the headbutt.

02:39:00.000 You can see the headbutt.

02:39:01.000 Just like you can't see it on the other side.

02:39:02.000 Okay, let's see.

02:39:03.000 Watch.

02:39:04.000 Looks like you hit him in the head.

02:39:06.000 With a headbutt, right?

02:39:07.000 Let's see.

02:39:08.000 Slowly.

02:39:09.000 Slow.

02:39:10.000 Look.

02:39:11.000 Right hand hit the chin first, clearly.

02:39:14.000 Right hand hits the cheek.

02:39:15.000 It's 100%.

02:39:16.000 Headbutt hits the temple.

02:39:17.000 Oh, you know what?

02:39:18.000 He did headbutt him afterwards.

02:39:19.000 He definitely headbutted him afterwards, but the right hand hit him first.

02:39:22.000 I gotta agree with you on that.

02:39:23.000 I'll give you that.

02:39:24.000 The headbutt is after.

02:39:25.000 There is a headbutt after.

02:39:26.000 100%, but look.

02:39:27.000 There's a headbutt, though.

02:39:28.000 It is a headbutt, for sure.

02:39:29.000 But here, boom.

02:39:30.000 Right hand first.

02:39:31.000 One more time.

02:39:32.000 Watch this.

02:39:33.000 Where does it go?

02:39:34.000 Do what you just did.

02:39:35.000 Watch one more time.

02:39:36.000 Look at that headbutt, though, son.

02:39:38.000 But the right hand came before it.

02:39:39.000 I agree.

02:39:40.000 Back it up to where the right hand came.

02:39:42.000 There was a headbutt.

02:39:43.000 There was a headbutt.

02:39:43.000 No, no, no.

02:39:44.000 It's before that.

02:39:45.000 Here it goes.

02:39:46.000 Watch this.

02:39:47.000 Look at the right hand.

02:39:48.000 Bam!

02:39:49.000 Is that clavicle?

02:39:50.000 And that's headbutt temple.

02:39:51.000 No!

02:39:52.000 He hit him in the fucking cheek.

02:39:53.000 Dude, you see from the overhead that punch lands on his cheek.

02:39:56.000 It lands on his cheek and jaw.

02:39:58.000 But it's both.

02:39:58.000 It's both.

02:39:59.000 It's both.

02:40:00.000 Bam!

02:40:01.000 On the face, and then headbutt.

02:40:03.000 Bam!

02:40:04.000 Right there.

02:40:05.000 100% headbutt, 100% punch lance first.

02:40:07.000 I agree.

02:40:08.000 Both.

02:40:08.000 Both of them are damaging.

02:40:09.000 Both of them fucked him up.

02:40:10.000 I think that thing would have won that fight either way.

02:40:12.000 I'm not taking anything away from Johnson.

02:40:14.000 From that angle, 100% they collide heads.

02:40:16.000 So now we know.

02:40:17.000 But also 100% the punch lance first.

02:40:19.000 You can see it right there.

02:40:20.000 Doom and doom.

02:40:21.000 Yep.

02:40:21.000 Beat him fair and square.

02:40:22.000 Crazy.

02:40:23.000 Powerful, Anthony Johnson.

02:40:24.000 But I don't think it matters if the punch lands first.

02:40:27.000 I mean, there was a headbutt.

02:40:28.000 It definitely was a headbutt.

02:40:29.000 But he got tagged by that right hand on the face first.

02:40:32.000 Which one wobbled him more, though?

02:40:33.000 Which one wobbled him more, though?

02:40:35.000 It's a good question.

02:40:35.000 The only one that can answer is him, really.

02:40:38.000 And I bet even he can't.

02:40:39.000 I bet he's so out of it, he can't.

02:40:40.000 Yeah, what do you do in a situation like that?

02:40:42.000 If the guy lands a punch, and then the headbutt lands, and the headbutt, clearly, the guy lands a punch, he gets hurt, but the headbutt stiffens him up.

02:40:49.000 And he goes out.

02:40:50.000 It's part of the game.

02:40:50.000 It is part of the game, but what do you say?

02:40:52.000 Shit happens.

02:40:52.000 But the method of KO is kind of headbutt.

02:40:56.000 We should bring back headbutts.

02:40:57.000 It would have to be like how much time has passed between them because like say if you tagged a guy with a right hand and he was wobbly as fuck and he was backing up and a few seconds go by and then he throws a right hand and misses and you collide heads and he goes unconscious.

02:41:10.000 True.

02:41:10.000 Then what happens?

02:41:11.000 Yeah.

02:41:12.000 Then what do you do?

02:41:13.000 Well, then you need a rematch.

02:41:14.000 I think that one's like, you know what I'm saying?

02:41:16.000 It's like...

02:41:17.000 You can't ask for a rematch in a fight like that.

02:41:19.000 You can't.

02:41:19.000 That magnitude.

02:41:20.000 There would have to be some sort of a huge event.

02:41:22.000 See, I wanted to see Gus Finn and DC fight next.

02:41:27.000 That's a good fight.

02:41:27.000 That's a great fight.

02:41:28.000 That's a very good fight.

02:41:29.000 I wish they would have done that instead of separating them.

02:41:31.000 Well, Gustafsson versus Bader is an interesting fight too, man.

02:41:34.000 What Bader did to Ovin St. Prue I thought was really interesting, but Ovin St. Prue is not nearly the wrestler that DC is.

02:41:40.000 DC is wrestling, especially when you're dealing with a guy who's his size.

02:41:43.000 Not a long, tall guy like Jon Jones, who's so awkward and strong, but a guy more his size, a thick, stocky guy like Bader.

02:41:51.000 Bader won't take DC. Isn't St. Pru fighting pretty soon?

02:41:54.000 Yeah, he's fighting soon too.

02:41:56.000 When is that?

02:41:56.000 Oh, he's fighting my boy Pat Cummins.

02:41:58.000 That's right.

02:41:59.000 Because Pat is a fucking nightmare.

02:42:02.000 He was at my seminar.

02:42:04.000 He's a great guy, man.

02:42:06.000 Awesome.

02:42:07.000 Great guy.

02:42:08.000 Super smart.

02:42:09.000 Man, I hate to say super athletic, but God damn.

02:42:12.000 He plays football.

02:42:13.000 He plays at University of Tennessee.

02:42:14.000 He's a professional.

02:42:15.000 Not professional.

02:42:16.000 Not professional, but I meant...

02:42:19.000 Elite.

02:42:19.000 Elite athlete.

02:42:20.000 Division I athlete at University of Tennessee.

02:42:22.000 And he loves hitting twisters, man.

02:42:24.000 Watch.

02:42:25.000 He already has a calf crank from the truck.

02:42:27.000 He already has a Jason Von Flu choke.

02:42:29.000 Remember that?

02:42:29.000 Yeah.

02:42:30.000 He got that dude in the Von Flu choke.

02:42:32.000 That Russian cat.

02:42:33.000 There's a lot of dudes who don't even know that position.

02:42:35.000 Yeah.

02:42:36.000 Pat Cummings, I'm telling you, is a fucking monster.

02:42:39.000 He's a monster.

02:42:40.000 He's a monster.

02:42:41.000 Pat will win that fight.

02:42:41.000 Ovens ain't proved that fucking left hook that knocked Shogun out.

02:42:44.000 I don't know.

02:42:45.000 Sweet sidestep.

02:42:46.000 Ovens is a specimen, dude.

02:42:48.000 I know, man.

02:42:48.000 And he moves very well on the ground.

02:42:51.000 He's a very good grappler.

02:42:53.000 He loves playing London.

02:42:55.000 He loves playing.

02:42:56.000 Also known as Sean Williams guard.

02:42:57.000 He loves going there.

02:42:58.000 Pat Cummings is one of those guys.

02:43:02.000 He's like Rashad Evans.

02:43:03.000 He's a fucking impossible submit man.

02:43:05.000 He trains with Verdum all the time and me all the time.

02:43:08.000 And gets in the worst positions ever.

02:43:10.000 He's a tough dude too.

02:43:12.000 And a stud wrestler.

02:43:13.000 And grinds man.

02:43:13.000 He grinds.

02:43:15.000 Has cutting weight down to a T. Yeah, and has insane endurance and work ethic.

02:43:20.000 Good luck with that.

02:43:21.000 Such a good fight.

02:43:21.000 His work ethic.

02:43:24.000 Cummings, baby!

02:43:24.000 Eddie, bravo.

02:43:26.000 Fuck that.

02:43:27.000 Fuck that.

02:43:27.000 Ovens does have some nasty power.

02:43:28.000 He says fuck that.

02:43:29.000 Ovens does have some nasty power.

02:43:31.000 How about we put some money on it?

02:43:33.000 Let's do it.

02:43:33.000 How much you want?

02:43:34.000 I'll bet you $1,000.

02:43:35.000 Oh my God!

02:43:35.000 Not $1,000!

02:43:37.000 You went deep!

02:43:38.000 $1,000!

02:43:39.000 Come on, man.

02:43:41.000 How about $20 for fun?

02:43:42.000 $20.

02:43:42.000 $20?

02:43:43.000 $1,000?

02:43:45.000 I'll give you $20.

02:43:46.000 A bunch of Chipotle.

02:43:47.000 How about a dinner?

02:43:49.000 How about a dinner?

02:43:49.000 Okay, there you go.

02:43:50.000 You take the three of us out to dinner.

02:43:52.000 The loser buys dinner.

02:43:53.000 Where at?

02:43:54.000 At the good place.

02:43:55.000 Wherever we want.

02:43:55.000 $1,000 is a lot of money.

02:43:57.000 Joe picks the place.

02:43:58.000 Okay, we'll go to a good joint.

02:43:59.000 $1,000 is a lot of money.

02:44:00.000 We'll go get a steak somewhere.

02:44:01.000 Yeah, Morton's, wherever.

02:44:02.000 Damn, you willing to gamble on that?

02:44:03.000 How about, oh, Vince wins anyways, and I still pay for it.

02:44:06.000 How about that?

02:44:10.000 Hey, a thousand bucks.

02:44:12.000 Fuck it.

02:44:12.000 Ovens, a thousand right here.

02:44:14.000 A thousand?

02:44:15.000 You really want to do a thousand?

02:44:16.000 Yes.

02:44:17.000 Or you want to do dinner?

02:44:18.000 What's going to happen?

02:44:19.000 You pick, Eddie.

02:44:20.000 Let's play a thousand.

02:44:20.000 Fuck it.

02:44:21.000 Ovens is incredible, dude.

02:44:23.000 Ovens.

02:44:23.000 So bold.

02:44:24.000 Ovens, you listening to me?

02:44:25.000 I'm betting Brendan 1,000.

02:44:27.000 It's on you, kid.

02:44:28.000 You really want to get involved in this?

02:44:29.000 You've got to decide right now before you touch hands.

02:44:31.000 Dude, it was my idea.

02:44:33.000 And you're a badass bluff.

02:44:35.000 I'm calling your bluff.

02:44:36.000 A thousand dollars.

02:44:37.000 A thousand dollars.

02:44:40.000 You're not going to do it.

02:44:41.000 You're not going to do it.

02:44:43.000 I'm a gambling man.

02:44:45.000 Okay, a thousand.

02:44:46.000 A thousand dollars.

02:44:47.000 You sure?

02:44:48.000 I swear to God.

02:44:49.000 I can trust you?

02:44:49.000 It was my idea.

02:44:51.000 But it was a bluff.

02:44:52.000 It's not a bluff.

02:44:53.000 Okay.

02:44:54.000 We both have our sides.

02:44:55.000 You can't back out.

02:44:57.000 Don't back out.

02:44:58.000 Don't back out.

02:44:59.000 I'll do a thousand and dinner.

02:45:00.000 Oh my god.

02:45:01.000 A thousand.

02:45:02.000 Oh my god, I can't believe I'm seeing this.

02:45:05.000 Pat, you better train your ass off.

02:45:06.000 I can't believe I'm seeing this.

02:45:08.000 When is that fight, goddammit?

02:45:09.000 Two weeks.

02:45:10.000 It's on the Machida card.

02:45:11.000 Oh my goodness.

02:45:12.000 Oh my goodness.

02:45:13.000 Oh my goodness.

02:45:15.000 Pat Cummings, baby!

02:45:17.000 I wanted cash.

02:45:18.000 $100 bills.

02:45:19.000 Yeah, don't bring me no fucking check, man.

02:45:21.000 A write-off.

02:45:22.000 Don't bring me a tenth plan to check or something.

02:45:24.000 Hey, dude, I got something you can get.

02:45:26.000 You have a corporation that I could have.

02:45:27.000 Dude, how about this?

02:45:28.000 You gotta help me out, bro.

02:45:29.000 I'll give you $1,500 in private less.

02:45:32.000 Yeah, right?

02:45:33.000 You got a free gym membership for a year.

02:45:36.000 I actually charge $15 in an hour.

02:45:37.000 I charge $16 in an hour, but I'll give you a break.

02:45:41.000 All you owe me is $100, dude.

02:45:42.000 I'm a little nervous now.

02:45:45.000 That really escalated.

02:45:46.000 That did escalate.

02:45:47.000 That's a lot of money.

02:45:48.000 That's a lot of money.

02:45:49.000 A thousand bucks is real cash.

02:45:50.000 Oh, man.

02:45:51.000 That's real cash.

02:45:52.000 Oh, Vince is going to fuck him up.

02:45:53.000 Trust me.

02:45:53.000 He's going to fuck him up.

02:45:54.000 Trust me, he's not.

02:45:55.000 You know what's going to happen?

02:45:56.000 Pat Cummins is going to break him in the second round.

02:45:58.000 Break him?

02:45:58.000 Fuck no.

02:45:59.000 Are you kidding?

02:45:59.000 This is what's going to happen.

02:46:00.000 This is what's going to happen.

02:46:01.000 Pat, listen.

02:46:02.000 Look me in the eye.

02:46:03.000 Pat Cummins is going to get Twister.

02:46:05.000 Twister?

02:46:06.000 He's going to get Twister.

02:46:07.000 I would bet my entire bank account he doesn't get submitted.

02:46:10.000 Okay, what kind of odds on the Twister would you give?

02:46:13.000 What are odds?

02:46:14.000 Okay, here's the odds on the Twister.

02:46:16.000 If he gets him in the Twister, you bet 100. And if he gets him in the Twister, he has to give you 10,000.

02:46:26.000 Okay.

02:46:31.000 That's about the right odds.

02:46:33.000 For sure.

02:46:34.000 That's about the right odds.

02:46:35.000 No, no, no, it's not.

02:46:36.000 He's good, dude.

02:46:37.000 Is he training with you full-time?

02:46:40.000 No.

02:46:41.000 Okay, to win, I don't trust him at all if he said that.

02:46:44.000 To win, it's a very good bet.

02:46:47.000 It's an interesting bet.

02:46:48.000 It's an interesting fight.

02:46:49.000 You gotta look at the fact that he knocked out Shogun with one fucking punch like that and say, this kid is a stud.

02:46:53.000 And he's getting better, and he's fast, and his striking is fucking for sure dangerous and powerful.

02:46:58.000 But, the odds of him winning by Twister, when only one person ever won by Twister ever in the history of the fucking UFC, and that's the Korean zombie, one goddamn Twister of all time, the odds that he wins by Twister, I say 100 to 10,000.

02:47:11.000 You want?

02:47:12.000 $100.

02:47:13.000 I mean, sure.

02:47:14.000 That's never going to happen.

02:47:16.000 That's very reasonable.

02:47:17.000 That's even reasonable.

02:47:18.000 I think odds are one in a million.

02:47:21.000 Probably more than that.

02:47:22.000 So what you're doing is stealing $100 from Eddie Bravo.

02:47:27.000 I'm already stealing $1,000.

02:47:28.000 I'm telling you.

02:47:29.000 Let's have another bet.

02:47:31.000 $100 bet.

02:47:32.000 If he gets them in a Twister, you owe me $2,000.

02:47:35.000 No.

02:47:37.000 $10,000.

02:47:39.000 But if he doesn't...

02:47:44.000 But then if he doesn't, what do I get?

02:47:46.000 A hundred bucks.

02:47:48.000 You're stealing a hundred dollars.

02:47:49.000 I'm just giving it to you.

02:47:50.000 I'm just giving it to you.

02:47:51.000 So if he wins, you down?

02:47:54.000 I'll call his ass, right?

02:47:55.000 I'll fly to fucking Kentucky and we'll be doing twisters all week.

02:47:58.000 What if Pat submits him?

02:48:01.000 Huh?

02:48:01.000 What if Pat submits him?

02:48:02.000 Doesn't matter.

02:48:03.000 Where is this fight at?

02:48:04.000 What city is this fight at?

02:48:05.000 New Jersey.

02:48:05.000 It's in New Jersey in two weeks?

02:48:07.000 Yeah.

02:48:07.000 Shit, I'm in town.

02:48:08.000 Is it the 25th?

02:48:09.000 April 25th?

02:48:10.000 You're in New Jersey?

02:48:12.000 You're in that town?

02:48:13.000 Well, Hicks and Gracie is having a seminar on the 25th, so if it's the 25th...

02:48:19.000 What's that?

02:48:19.000 Montreal.

02:48:20.000 Montreal, that's that one.

02:48:21.000 Is it 25th?

02:48:22.000 Yeah.

02:48:23.000 Oh.

02:48:23.000 This is the Fox card.

02:48:24.000 This is the Fox card.

02:48:25.000 You're announcing it, right?

02:48:25.000 Yeah, I'm announcing that one.

02:48:27.000 Oh.

02:48:27.000 I'm announcing the Montreal card, too.

02:48:29.000 The Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson Hirogoshi card.

02:48:32.000 That card took a hit, huh?

02:48:34.000 Rampage losing, or getting pulled out of the card, rather, is a bad one.

02:48:39.000 Don't like that.

02:48:39.000 What did you think was going to happen?

02:48:41.000 Didn't like that, man.

02:48:42.000 I thought that they could work that shit out.

02:48:44.000 I thought that, I mean, I think that if there is some sort of a break in the contract enough to where he can sign with the UFC, I felt like they would have already worked it out.

02:48:53.000 You'd think his lawyers, or you'd think the UFC lawyers, who are the best in the business, would be like, dude, don't promote him yet.

02:48:58.000 We don't know.

02:48:59.000 Let's figure this logistics out and then do it.

02:49:01.000 Yeah.

02:49:02.000 It was too rushed.

02:49:03.000 Yeah, well, I don't know, man.

02:49:05.000 Maybe they thought that they would be able to get it in under the wire before...

02:49:09.000 But why risk it?

02:49:09.000 I don't know.

02:49:10.000 It sounds like it was a main event.

02:49:11.000 Risk what?

02:49:12.000 You've already established that Rampage doesn't want to be in Bellator.

02:49:15.000 So whether he fights or not, UFC wins.

02:49:18.000 But not really, because now the court's saying, dude, you've still got to fight for Bellator.

02:49:23.000 But then it's beautiful.

02:49:24.000 No, the court granted an injunction, I believe.

02:49:26.000 I believe they kept him from fighting for the UFC, but they didn't say that he has to fight for Bellator.

02:49:31.000 They recognized an argument, and it has to be worked out now.

02:49:36.000 So they just said you can't fight for the UFC at this point.

02:49:38.000 Exactly, at this point.

02:49:39.000 They granted an injunction.

02:49:41.000 I think that's exactly how it works.

02:49:43.000 I'm probably using the wrong terminology, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works.

02:49:48.000 So Rampage can't fight for the UFC, so the car takes a big hit.

02:49:51.000 And wasn't there another fight on the card, too, that got pulled?

02:49:53.000 What was the other fight that got pulled?

02:49:55.000 There's another big one, right?

02:49:57.000 Wasn't Roy supposed to be on that, but they took him off, too?

02:49:59.000 Well, Roy's now fighting for the title.

02:50:01.000 Title.

02:50:02.000 But I thought it was supposed to be there.

02:50:04.000 Maybe.

02:50:04.000 Am I crazy?

02:50:05.000 Well, that's a great place for him to fight.

02:50:07.000 He fucking lives there.

02:50:08.000 That's where it was supposed to be, and they took him off there and put him on that Vegas card.

02:50:11.000 Well, that Vegas card is a monster, man.

02:50:13.000 When you have those title fights in Vegas, it's worth a shitload of cheddar.

02:50:17.000 Fuck yeah.

02:50:18.000 Shitload of cheddar.

02:50:19.000 Yeah.

02:50:20.000 A lot of money in those Vegas cards, man.

02:50:23.000 Why?

02:50:24.000 Because people like to go there, man.

02:50:26.000 Vegas loves it.

02:50:27.000 People like to do it.

02:50:28.000 It's a different animal when it's in Vegas.

02:50:30.000 And the money that it generates for the casino is insane in comparison to the money that it generates for some random arena somewhere.

02:50:36.000 If you put it on in some random arena in Montreal, I mean, it's great for the economy of Montreal, but the amount of money that gets spent in Vegas is off the goddamn charts.

02:50:45.000 Is Vegas making a big comeback?

02:50:48.000 Are they making a comeback?

02:50:49.000 Well, they definitely took a big hit.

02:50:51.000 I think it's more of a normalization.

02:50:53.000 The economy goes down, gambling goes down.

02:50:55.000 There's no way around it.

02:50:56.000 People don't have the money.

02:50:57.000 I think the hotels are taking a huge hit, though.

02:50:59.000 Those crazy-ass hotels, they're not doing well.

02:51:01.000 We were in a car once, and we asked the driver, this cab driver, like, how much different is Vegas right now?

02:51:07.000 And he goes, it's 50% down.

02:51:09.000 What the fuck?

02:51:09.000 50% down.

02:51:11.000 They said 50% down in calls, 50% down in business.

02:51:14.000 Like, they're all aware of it.

02:51:15.000 I know that city center, the engineer fucked up building it.

02:51:20.000 It's not safe, structurally, and they have to rip it down.

02:51:22.000 What?

02:51:23.000 No way.

02:51:24.000 What?

02:51:24.000 This might be breaking news.

02:51:25.000 Big brown style.

02:51:26.000 Brown breaking news.

02:51:28.000 But I'm pretty sure I read that.

02:51:29.000 I'm pretty sure I read that on a form from a kid.

02:51:33.000 I swear though, I'm almost positive.

02:51:37.000 Something structurally is fucked up and they have to tear it down.

02:51:39.000 It's like tons and tons of money.

02:51:41.000 Let's get young Jamie to pull up some articles on this bullshit.

02:51:44.000 Jamie, see if I'm lying.

02:51:46.000 That sounds insane.

02:51:47.000 If that's the case, what a huge hit.

02:51:50.000 That's terrifying.

02:51:51.000 Someone really powerful in Vegas told me, back when I was working in the UFC, he said it used to be that the casinos were packed, and then now it's like someone took a giant vacuum and just vacuumed all the people out of the casinos.

02:52:05.000 Damn.

02:52:06.000 That's what it looks like.

02:52:07.000 I'm not a Vegas guy.

02:52:08.000 I never have been.

02:52:08.000 I can't stand Vegas.

02:52:10.000 You know what's real weird?

02:52:11.000 When you go off the grid, when you get out of the strip and you go to them funky casinos that are out in the middle of nowhere.

02:52:17.000 That'll depress you.

02:52:18.000 Whoa.

02:52:19.000 What?

02:52:19.000 There's a lot of casinos in Vegas that you don't ever think about.

02:52:22.000 There's a lot of like weird fucking casinos all over the spot.

02:52:26.000 That's for the true gamblers.

02:52:28.000 Guys that they just want to gamble.

02:52:30.000 They don't want to be on the strip.

02:52:31.000 They just want a place where they could gamble.

02:52:33.000 Well, you just see a different tone of human being.

02:52:36.000 It's almost a different creature.

02:52:38.000 Dude, commerce casino here?

02:52:39.000 They're like all out of shape.

02:52:40.000 Don't give a fuck.

02:52:42.000 Big country's people.

02:52:44.000 That's why he's got to keep that mullet.

02:52:46.000 That makes sense.

02:52:46.000 Keep that gut.

02:52:47.000 Do you ever go to Commerce Casino?

02:52:49.000 That place is packed.

02:52:50.000 I was there last night.

02:52:50.000 There was some fights.

02:52:51.000 There was Bama fights.

02:52:52.000 Eddie Jackson.

02:52:52.000 Oh, really?

02:52:53.000 He won.

02:52:53.000 He looked like Chuck Liddell in his prime.

02:52:55.000 Eddie Jackson just destroyed his guy.

02:52:57.000 But the place was packed.

02:52:59.000 It was 98% Asian.

02:53:02.000 They loved to gamble.

02:53:03.000 Oh, yeah.

02:53:03.000 But the place was packed.

02:53:04.000 That's different, though, because that's not Vegas.

02:53:07.000 These local casinos is all they got.

02:53:09.000 It's like this or drive four hours to Vegas.

02:53:11.000 True.

02:53:12.000 If you're a card gambler, you can gamble right here.

02:53:14.000 If you're a poker guy, there's plenty of gambling in L.A. Like Ari Shafir, before he made it as a comic, was making more money gambling on poker than he was on anything.

02:53:24.000 No!

02:53:25.000 Usually people do it online.

02:53:25.000 Playing in tournaments.

02:53:26.000 Oh, wow.

02:53:27.000 He was going to fucking- He must be really good.

02:53:28.000 He's very good.

02:53:29.000 Ari's smart as shit, dude.

02:53:31.000 Sounds like it.

02:53:31.000 He would go to these poker tournaments and win.

02:53:33.000 He made 35 grand one year just playing poker.

02:53:36.000 And he wasn't making much money as a comic.

02:53:37.000 He was struggling.

02:53:39.000 It's crazy.

02:53:40.000 Yeah.

02:53:40.000 You can make some money.

02:53:41.000 And you can get action.

02:53:43.000 That's the big thing.

02:53:44.000 I heard online's the way to do it, though.

02:53:45.000 Because you sit at home in your fucking underwear and just go online.

02:53:48.000 But it's not legal in America anymore.

02:53:49.000 It's different.

02:53:50.000 Like, I think you have to go places.

02:53:52.000 I think Nevada, you can gamble online, but you can gamble, you can play poker online against people from Nevada.

02:53:58.000 Because, like, all those pro poker players, a lot of them moved out of country.

02:54:03.000 A lot of them moved to Monaco?

02:54:04.000 Monaco?

02:54:05.000 How do you say that?

02:54:06.000 Monaco.

02:54:07.000 They moved to Monaco, they moved to all these countries where it's legal.

02:54:10.000 Some of them moved to China, and they play in that Chinese place.

02:54:14.000 Oh, China's huge.

02:54:15.000 What's that area?

02:54:16.000 Macau, right?

02:54:17.000 Macau, yeah.

02:54:18.000 Macau, apparently, is going off.

02:54:20.000 Crazy!

02:54:21.000 They say it's Vegas times 10. That's what I've heard.

02:54:23.000 Just mad Asian gambling.

02:54:25.000 I heard Dubai's the same way.

02:54:26.000 Really?

02:54:26.000 Gambling?

02:54:27.000 Not gambling.

02:54:28.000 No gambling.

02:54:28.000 As far as crazy.

02:54:29.000 It's Islamic, right?

02:54:30.000 We're running out of time?

02:54:31.000 How dare you?

02:54:32.000 We're having a good time, Jamie.

02:54:33.000 How dare you stop us on this gambling?

02:54:34.000 Having a good fucking time.

02:54:35.000 Give us five minutes.

02:54:36.000 What's that?

02:54:37.000 Yeah, let's go part two.

02:54:38.000 You guys got something to do?

02:54:39.000 No.

02:54:40.000 Let's do another hour.

02:54:41.000 Let's chill for another hour.

02:54:42.000 All right.

02:54:42.000 Kill this and we'll come back.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 12, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - April 11, 2015 (Part 1)

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