The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion

00:00:00.000 Don't look.

00:00:01.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're live.

00:00:04.000 We're live right now.

00:00:05.000 If you've never listened to one of these things before, this is not a regular podcast.

00:00:08.000 Don't expect some deep insight to the nature of the universe or even rational conversations because there's alcohol involved.

00:00:16.000 There might be some weed.

00:00:18.000 I don't know.

00:00:18.000 I smell some weed.

00:00:19.000 There might have been weed in this room.

00:00:21.000 And there's a bunch of fucking savages.

00:00:24.000 To my left, Eddie Bravo.

00:00:25.000 Eddie, the motherfucking twister, Bravo.

00:00:28.000 One of the baddest dudes on the planet Earth.

00:00:29.000 Thank you, thank you.

00:00:30.000 One of my favorite human beings that's ever existed.

00:00:32.000 Thank you very much.

00:00:32.000 Eddie Bravo.

00:00:33.000 To his left, Justin Milos, trainer extraordinaire, all throughout the lands.

00:00:40.000 You can find him online at the, what is it?

00:00:46.000 JamPersonalTraining.com.

00:00:47.000 Handsome bastard.

00:00:48.000 Look at him.

00:00:48.000 Beautiful features.

00:00:49.000 Very polite.

00:00:50.000 Well read.

00:00:51.000 Killer B is in the fucking house.

00:00:53.000 Ben Saunders.

00:00:54.000 UFC welterweight prospect, bitches.

00:00:58.000 Respect.

00:00:59.000 Fighting Eric Silva in March in Brazil.

00:01:02.000 Going deep into the lion's den.

00:01:05.000 Caveman Coffee.

00:01:06.000 All up in this bitch with the Caveman Coffee.

00:01:09.000 To his left, the motherfucking CEO of Caveman Coffee.

00:01:13.000 The great Tate Fletcher.

00:01:15.000 Tate the animal Fletcher.

00:01:16.000 Tate the savage Fletcher.

00:01:18.000 Fill in the blank with the nicknames.

00:01:20.000 Again, one of the baddest motherfuckers.

00:01:21.000 Are you the Dana White of Caveman Coffee or are you Lorenzo?

00:01:25.000 I'm more of one of the Fratillas, yeah.

00:01:28.000 Maybe Dana also.

00:01:29.000 I do all that shit.

00:01:30.000 You know how we do it?

00:01:31.000 I do it all.

00:01:32.000 Lorenzo's kind of being Dana a little bit now.

00:01:34.000 Do you think he wants to push him out?

00:01:34.000 He's coming out in the forefront.

00:01:35.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:01:36.000 I think he's looking at you and going, you know what?

00:01:38.000 I want to do what Tate can do.

00:01:39.000 He's doing both.

00:01:40.000 Listen, go ahead and call me Mr. Fratilla.

00:01:42.000 I'd be happy to help.

00:01:43.000 Tate is always hustling.

00:01:44.000 Caveman Coffee comes in.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, we got a micro brew.

00:01:46.000 He hands me his fucking beer.

00:01:48.000 I'm like, dude, you're making beer?

00:01:49.000 This is outrageous.

00:01:50.000 Man's got to work in this day and age.

00:01:52.000 Tate is always moving.

00:01:53.000 Always moving.

00:01:54.000 There's no stillness with Tate Fletcher.

00:01:56.000 You will find no dust.

00:01:57.000 Tate is left.

00:01:58.000 You will find no dust.

00:01:59.000 Brendan motherfucking Shaw.

00:02:00.000 Possibly the funniest UFC fighter that's ever lived.

00:02:03.000 You might be.

00:02:04.000 Funnier than Jail Sonnen?

00:02:06.000 Yeah, he's made me laugh harder.

00:02:07.000 Oh, shit!

00:02:08.000 Don't put me in a sauna and make me fuck my way out is one of the great all-time one-liners that's ever been.

00:02:14.000 That's a huge compliment.

00:02:15.000 Funnier than Chael is huge.

00:02:16.000 Yeah, he's funnier.

00:02:17.000 Chael is one of the greatest trash talkers ever.

00:02:20.000 Funnier than Rampage.

00:02:21.000 Yes.

00:02:22.000 Do you know how huge that is?

00:02:24.000 You know what?

00:02:24.000 It's close.

00:02:25.000 Most of the time when Quentin's funny, though, he's not on purpose funny.

00:02:28.000 Well, it's also, Quentin is more irritable.

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:31.000 Like, Schaub's got a smoother personality.

00:02:33.000 Quentin gets mad at people.

00:02:34.000 Yeah, I'm not going to freak out.

00:02:35.000 Yeah.

00:02:36.000 You won't be angry.

00:02:37.000 Quentin, you know.

00:02:38.000 Quentin's always thinking everybody's ganging up on him.

00:02:40.000 We're about to watch the fights right now.

00:02:43.000 It's, uh, how do you say this gentleman's name?

00:02:45.000 The first fight is, we gotta sync this up so you guys know.

00:02:48.000 We're watching the fights and doing commentary, sort of.

00:02:51.000 I mean, we're not really doing commentary, but we're watching the fights and doing a podcast at the same time.

00:02:56.000 That's the idea behind these.

00:02:57.000 So if you're tuning into it, if you're listening to it, you might want to just fucking ditch this one and go back to one with Tate Fletcher might drop some science up in this bitch.

00:03:12.000 But right now, it's Ray Borg is about to fight this gentleman.

00:03:17.000 I don't know how to say his name.

00:03:19.000 Give us some volume there, young Jamie.

00:03:21.000 Chris Calades?

00:03:22.000 Is that the dude's name?

00:03:26.000 Good move.

00:03:32.000 Pow, pow, pow.

00:03:33.000 Alright, I'm taking the headphones off, so if shit gets out of control, you've been warned.

00:03:36.000 You should talk to her about that.

00:03:37.000 Fight's starting right now.

00:03:38.000 Don't do that shit, please.

00:03:39.000 It's 4 minutes 58 seconds if you want to sync up.

00:03:42.000 4 minutes 58 seconds of the first round was on the clock when I said that.

00:03:45.000 Mario Yamasaki might be fucking mad at her, right?

00:03:47.000 For doing that shit?

00:03:48.000 Taking his shit?

00:03:49.000 You can't take Mario's heart.

00:03:51.000 You can't do that shit.

00:03:52.000 Who did the heart?

00:03:52.000 Did she do it?

00:03:53.000 Yeah, she just did.

00:03:54.000 Oh, but no, that's been around.

00:03:55.000 It ain't his.

00:03:56.000 Yeah, but he popularized it.

00:03:58.000 Does he own it for the UFC? Yeah, he does.

00:03:59.000 You can't do that.

00:04:01.000 He's got to talk to that shit.

00:04:01.000 Hasn't that been around forever?

00:04:03.000 Yeah, but you can't do that in the UFC. If you throw that shit on your car, that means you're gay.

00:04:07.000 The rainbow.

00:04:08.000 Right, but that's different.

00:04:10.000 No, but it's a UFC thing.

00:04:12.000 The camera's on you.

00:04:13.000 You got your thing.

00:04:14.000 You know, like the chick referee.

00:04:15.000 What's her name with the blonde hair?

00:04:16.000 She goes like this.

00:04:17.000 She goes like Nose Lane.

00:04:18.000 She goes like Nose Lane.

00:04:20.000 Nose, yeah.

00:04:20.000 Can't do that.

00:04:21.000 That's rude.

00:04:22.000 But that's boxing.

00:04:23.000 She could be the Mills Lane of MMA. But if you're an octagon girl, you gotta do something, right?

00:04:28.000 You just can't wave.

00:04:29.000 You gotta do something.

00:04:30.000 You know what?

00:04:31.000 Herb Dean, he just goes, whatever.

00:04:33.000 He's like, he doesn't want to.

00:04:35.000 Everyone's like, because that's their moment.

00:04:37.000 The referee, that's their moment where they're in the spotlight right there.

00:04:40.000 Are you going to do something?

00:04:41.000 Mario Yamasaki said, fuck it.

00:04:42.000 I'm going to spread love.

00:04:43.000 Fuck it.

00:04:44.000 That's my second.

00:04:45.000 That guy can do whatever I want.

00:04:46.000 Bruce Buffer does fucking wheel kicks and shit.

00:04:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:50.000 Why not throw a little hand side?

00:04:52.000 There's never been a guy like Bruce Buffer that you could talk into doing a 360. Pretty agile.

00:04:56.000 He did a 360. He used to do the 180, does the 180 still, but for Brock Lesnar he did a fucking 360. It was the greatest thing ever.

00:05:05.000 Was that when he blew his knee out?

00:05:07.000 He blew his knee out jumping.

00:05:07.000 No, no, no.

00:05:09.000 He was jumping.

00:05:10.000 Bro, I've seen him in the gym with cables doing the Bruce Buffer 360. No.

00:05:16.000 Resistance training.

00:05:17.000 And telling you why he's doing it, too.

00:05:18.000 That's fucking hysterical.

00:05:20.000 As I walk into the gym, I hear the hybrid in front of everyone.

00:05:26.000 I'm like, bro, for sure, relax, man.

00:05:28.000 He's doing resistant band Bruce Buffer terms.

00:05:30.000 I bet if he took a little capoeira, that would help as well.

00:05:30.000 Hey, you know what?

00:05:34.000 Because he's kind of doing capoeira.

00:05:36.000 So meanwhile, not to be disrespectful to these gentlemen that are engaging in Mortal Kombat right now.

00:05:43.000 Homeboy on top was a minus 1,000.

00:05:45.000 When's the last time you saw a minus 1,000?

00:05:47.000 What does that mean?

00:05:48.000 That means he's a heavy favorite to win the fight.

00:05:53.000 Heavy, heavy favorite.

00:05:54.000 1,000 is like 10 to 1, right?

00:05:57.000 Is that what it is?

00:05:57.000 Who made these odds?

00:05:58.000 Sean Shelby?

00:06:00.000 I don't know who makes it.

00:06:01.000 Oh, he wouldn't know, right?

00:06:03.000 But sometimes they're way off, dude.

00:06:05.000 Fighting's tough to bet on, man.

00:06:06.000 I've hooked Aubrey up a bunch of times where I was like, that line is crazy.

00:06:10.000 Like, you got a guy coming in from somewhere else, and people might not know, and the Vegas guys might not have never seen him fight before, and you're like, get the fuck out of here with this line.

00:06:17.000 This line's ridiculous.

00:06:19.000 You gotta wonder who's making those.

00:06:20.000 They're not too educated.

00:06:22.000 Especially on the undercard stuff.

00:06:24.000 There's been some ones in the past.

00:06:26.000 Oh, like, when Wonderboy Thompson was fighting.

00:06:31.000 No, it wasn't Wonderboy.

00:06:32.000 It was another really good striker.

00:06:34.000 I'll remember as the podcast goes on.

00:06:36.000 I mentioned Sean Shelby not because he's an idiot.

00:06:40.000 I only said that because he's the only one who would know.

00:06:43.000 If it's a thousand, if it's a minus a thousand.

00:06:46.000 I don't know these guys.

00:06:47.000 I would just say it's even.

00:06:48.000 Right.

00:06:49.000 But if you really know, like, only a guy like Sean Shelby who studies these guys would go, dude, that guy's terrible, and this other guy's a writer.

00:06:54.000 He's killing everybody.

00:06:55.000 You know who knows everybody?

00:06:57.000 Everybody in all the records?

00:06:58.000 Joe Silva.

00:06:59.000 No one knows more about MMA than Joe Silva.

00:06:59.000 Joe Silva.

00:07:03.000 He's a library, for sure.

00:07:03.000 No one knows more about, like, he might not know as much about execution, like how to execute things or where things are going.

00:07:12.000 Why is that funny?

00:07:14.000 As far as how many, like, guys who know fighters and know who's fighting and winning, Joe Silva knows more than anybody.

00:07:20.000 No one will make your heart drop more than when you, on your cell phone, you get a call from Joe Silva.

00:07:25.000 Oh, really?

00:07:26.000 When it's Joe Silva, because you know, he's only calling about matchups.

00:07:29.000 He's not calling for anything else.

00:07:31.000 Right, right.

00:07:32.000 So you see Joe Silva on the cell phone, you're like, oh, shit, son.

00:07:32.000 He's not calling to be your buddy.

00:07:36.000 He's a smart dude, man.

00:07:37.000 These are hard to start the race when you see Joe Silva.

00:07:39.000 I've been trying to get Joe Silva on the podcast for a while, and I told him, I go, look, dude, how about we just don't talk about MMA? We won't even talk about MMA. He's a really smart dude, but he's in a position as a matchmaker.

00:07:52.000 He has to be very careful.

00:07:54.000 I can't get him high and have him talking crazy shit.

00:07:58.000 People don't know where he lives, right?

00:08:00.000 They don't know where he lives and shit.

00:08:01.000 I don't know if they want it publicly said, so I won't say it, but I like that guy.

00:08:06.000 I like Joe Silva a lot.

00:08:07.000 He's smart as fuck, dude.

00:08:09.000 He gave me a Sam Harris book way back in the day.

00:08:12.000 I'm friends with Sam Harris.

00:08:13.000 I found out about him through Joe.

00:08:14.000 Joe gave me a book, Letters to a Christian Nation.

00:08:17.000 Great book.

00:08:18.000 Wouldn't he like to come on with a guy like that just so he could talk to a guy that he admires?

00:08:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:23.000 Oh look!

00:08:23.000 Oh yeah!

00:08:24.000 Oh that's locked up!

00:08:24.000 That triangle!

00:08:26.000 Right there!

00:08:27.000 There you go!

00:08:28.000 Look at this!

00:08:29.000 You did that too late, kid!

00:08:31.000 Yeah, he did that too late!

00:08:33.000 He's fine!

00:08:34.000 The guy let go a little bit!

00:08:36.000 It's over!

00:08:36.000 He's the guy let go of the squeeze a little bit!

00:08:38.000 Oh!

00:08:38.000 That was deep!

00:08:41.000 You know what impressed me more than that?

00:08:43.000 Damn!

00:08:44.000 You know what impressed me more than that?

00:08:45.000 Leo Vieira and you in Brazil.

00:08:48.000 When he locked that one up on you...

00:08:49.000 Why you gotta bring up bullshit?

00:08:51.000 Because your defense is impeccable.

00:08:54.000 No, no, he almost...

00:08:55.000 I didn't know what I was doing on the defense when I held my arm or something like this.

00:08:58.000 You did, whatever it was.

00:08:59.000 Whatever it was, I didn't know what I was doing, and I was about to tap.

00:09:03.000 He gave me too much...

00:09:06.000 My face is purple.

00:09:08.000 It's one of those old TV footage.

00:09:11.000 It looks like an old Muhammad Ali type, just old...

00:09:13.000 But you can see my face is purple.

00:09:15.000 Were you about to go out?

00:09:16.000 I was about to go out.

00:09:18.000 And then, I didn't want to show any weakness, so I stood up really quick, thinking like I was going to shoot.

00:09:27.000 But meanwhile, I'm drunk as fuck, but I'm so scared that he's going to see that, that you just pretend like nothing's wrong.

00:09:35.000 I was taking shots and shit.

00:09:37.000 I've never taken a shot in my life.

00:09:39.000 I've never taken a shot in my life, but that's how purple my head was.

00:09:45.000 Ronda Rousey, Kat Zingano.

00:09:48.000 You know what they call it?

00:09:49.000 You know what guys are calling?

00:09:51.000 I think it's MMA Junkie Radio, I think, coined it.

00:09:55.000 They've been calling it Lilith Fair.

00:09:57.000 Because it's the woman main event and the woman co-main.

00:10:00.000 Really, it is?

00:10:02.000 Who's the co-main event?

00:10:03.000 Holly Holm.

00:10:04.000 Have you ever seen her fight?

00:10:05.000 Raquel Pennington.

00:10:06.000 Raquel Pennington, the chick who put that girl asleep.

00:10:09.000 Oh, damn, that's a good fight.

00:10:10.000 I want to see that.

00:10:10.000 Hey, you know what?

00:10:11.000 Even though Weidman and Belfort, was that the matchup that was canceled?

00:10:15.000 Even though that would have been a great fucking match.

00:10:15.000 Correct.

00:10:18.000 Any match that Weidman and any match that beat their belt for it is great.

00:10:22.000 But seriously, I love watching Ronda because you know a million percent she's going to come after.

00:10:28.000 I think she gets hypnotized.

00:10:30.000 I think she's the only one that's listening to Mike Tyson.

00:10:34.000 Mike Tyson told everybody, everybody on Howard Stern, he told everybody.

00:10:38.000 He said, Kostamata was really into hypnotizing me.

00:10:41.000 Before every one of those big fights in the beginning, I was hypnotized.

00:10:44.000 He brought in a real hypnotist.

00:10:45.000 He said Customato was actually an amateur hypnotist himself.

00:10:48.000 But he brought in a real legit guy before every fight to hypnotize him.

00:10:51.000 Shit, I need a hypnotist then.

00:10:52.000 And he stopped getting hypnotized after Customato died.

00:10:54.000 I need someone to hypnotize me.

00:10:55.000 How come no one's going, shit?

00:10:56.000 How come everyone's getting a strength conditioning coach?

00:10:59.000 They're going to need a jiu-jitsu coach, a wrestling coach, a striking coach, and a hypnotist.

00:11:02.000 Who's your hypnotist?

00:11:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:04.000 It's going to get to that point eventually when people realize...

00:11:06.000 You think?

00:11:06.000 Or is Mike Tyson batshit crazy?

00:11:09.000 That's what he said.

00:11:10.000 He was hypnotized in the locker room, a professional hypnotist, before he went out there.

00:11:14.000 Killer B, are you trying to get hypnotized in the next fight, or what?

00:11:17.000 I don't know, man.

00:11:18.000 Doesn't it make sense?

00:11:19.000 You have to accept it.

00:11:21.000 If you're resistant at all, are you going to be...

00:11:24.000 Joe Schilling, right?

00:11:25.000 I don't know.

00:11:26.000 Joe Schilling got a hypnotist now.

00:11:28.000 Vinny Shorman.

00:11:28.000 He's a beast.

00:11:29.000 Vinny Shorman, who is it?

00:11:30.000 Joe Schilling's a bad motherfucker.

00:11:32.000 Such a beast.

00:11:32.000 Did you see that spinning backfist right hand he dropped that dude with in glory?

00:11:36.000 Matrix style, son.

00:11:37.000 Just set him up for the right, too.

00:11:37.000 Oh, good lord.

00:11:39.000 Perfect timing.

00:11:40.000 Relaxed.

00:11:41.000 Cracks him with the backfist.

00:11:43.000 Look, look, look.

00:11:44.000 Bam!

00:11:45.000 Drops the right hand on him.

00:11:46.000 Come on, we went the time before in glory, like a few fights ago.

00:11:50.000 There's the tournament, right?

00:11:52.000 You watch those guys.

00:11:52.000 Mm-hmm.

00:11:53.000 They're knocked out four, five times.

00:11:56.000 Legit knockouts.

00:11:56.000 Yeah.

00:11:57.000 That they keep fighting all through the finals.

00:11:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:59.000 Holy fuck.

00:11:59.000 Yeah, they keep going.

00:12:00.000 Dude, if you know anything about kickboxing, listen to this lineup he fought in one fucking night.

00:12:05.000 He fights Simon Marcus, who was 39-0, okay?

00:12:05.000 Yeah.

00:12:10.000 Who had already knocked him out in the past.

00:12:12.000 They go three fucking rounds to a dead heat, so they go to a fourth round.

00:12:16.000 This is the first fight.

00:12:18.000 He's gotta fight three times in a night.

00:12:20.000 Three murders.

00:12:21.000 Knocks Simon Marcus out with a right hand.

00:12:23.000 Puts him to sleep.

00:12:24.000 Face plants.

00:12:25.000 It's fucking chaos.

00:12:27.000 Then, he fights Wayne Barrett, a dude who also had beat him before.

00:12:30.000 Beats him by decision.

00:12:32.000 Barrett's a bad motherfucker.

00:12:33.000 Then, he goes into the main event and fights Artem Levin, who's...

00:12:37.000 If Schilling's not the best, Levin's the best.

00:12:40.000 It's like those two, because Schilling had already beat Levin.

00:12:43.000 You know, he dropped him and hit him with a knee on the way down.

00:12:45.000 It was a devastating fight for Levin.

00:12:49.000 But Schilling and Levin, they're like, fucking right there, man.

00:12:53.000 I mean, Levin's a beast.

00:12:54.000 We have to fight Levin in the fucking finals.

00:12:55.000 I mean, that's insane.

00:12:57.000 He fights four fucking rounds with Simon Marcus.

00:12:59.000 How brutal is kickboxing?

00:13:01.000 Three times in a night is insane.

00:13:01.000 Insane.

00:13:04.000 Someone could easily die from something like that.

00:13:07.000 Spike TV's gotta stop that.

00:13:08.000 So we're talking about hypnotism.

00:13:10.000 Joe Schilling is getting hypnotized.

00:13:11.000 Yes, he's doing that now.

00:13:12.000 This guy Vinny Sharman.

00:13:14.000 How come everyone isn't getting hypnotized?

00:13:15.000 What's going on?

00:13:16.000 Maybe all that shit you hear about...

00:13:18.000 You have heard Randy Couture talk about the importance of having a sports psychologist.

00:13:24.000 Maybe that's just a nice way of saying...

00:13:26.000 Maybe Randy Couture was hypnotized.

00:13:28.000 Because when he came out, didn't he seem like he had zero fear?

00:13:31.000 Randy Couture came out and never showed an ounce of fear.

00:13:34.000 Mike Tyson came out and never showed an ounce of fear.

00:13:37.000 He came from the ghetto.

00:13:38.000 Randy Couture came from white people's neighborhoods.

00:13:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:43.000 So they both came out with zero fear, but Randy Couture had that Captain America attitude.

00:13:49.000 And Mike Tyson had that attitude like, I'm going to fucking eat the children.

00:13:52.000 Randy said the reason he wasn't nervous was because he accepted losing.

00:13:55.000 He was like, I don't care.

00:13:56.000 If I lose, I lose.

00:13:57.000 They make different white people in Oregon, man.

00:13:58.000 They make different white people.

00:13:59.000 Darce!

00:14:03.000 Eddie, what's wrong?

00:14:04.000 What's doing wrong here?

00:14:05.000 I don't know how deep his right hand is.

00:14:06.000 Do you like to go clockwise?

00:14:07.000 Where do you go?

00:14:08.000 I don't know how deep his right arm is.

00:14:08.000 Do you like to sit out your hip?

00:14:09.000 How do you like to do this?

00:14:10.000 There's so many different ways to close this off.

00:14:11.000 How do you like to do it?

00:14:13.000 Hook that top leg with your right leg.

00:14:15.000 The top leg?

00:14:15.000 The left leg?

00:14:16.000 The top leg.

00:14:17.000 And switch it to a Japanese necktie.

00:14:19.000 Yes, sir.

00:14:19.000 Love the Japanese necktie, right?

00:14:20.000 He wasn't deep enough.

00:14:21.000 The Japanese necktie, to me, seems stronger than the darts.

00:14:24.000 Some guys are very, very hard to choke out.

00:14:26.000 They have, like, large carotid arteries or whatever it is.

00:14:29.000 Maybe more muscle around them.

00:14:31.000 Some guys are just harder to choke.

00:14:32.000 And then...

00:14:33.000 You could have a guy in a darts.

00:14:35.000 I've had guys in darts.

00:14:36.000 It's full-blown.

00:14:37.000 My arms are just so burnt.

00:14:38.000 I couldn't squeeze.

00:14:39.000 I know I'm not going to be able to tap them.

00:14:41.000 I'm just holding them there, thinking about my next move.

00:14:43.000 And I'm just sitting there going, I have zero energy to squeeze this dude.

00:14:47.000 I can't do it.

00:14:48.000 I've got to go after an arm bar or a calf crank.

00:14:53.000 Oh, look at this guillotine.

00:14:54.000 Oh, mounted.

00:14:55.000 That is the shit.

00:14:56.000 When you get a mounted, when you get a guillotine, then rolls into a mounted guillotine, that feeling of getting that guillotine on in the mount is just so, it's like, no, bitch.

00:15:05.000 It's so substantial, you know?

00:15:07.000 I got LeVar Johnson, who tested positive for PDs.

00:15:11.000 I got him in a Darce, and Darce is my shit.

00:15:13.000 I know when I had it.

00:15:15.000 I had it locked up, and I was like, oh, this one's over, and he's going, laughing, laughing as it's on, and punching me in the face.

00:15:24.000 Just so much fucking muscle, just did not, did not, no fucks given.

00:15:28.000 And then he pissed hot for that fight.

00:15:30.000 Oh yeah, and got cut, right after.

00:15:31.000 Who's this guy?

00:15:33.000 LeVar Johnson.

00:15:33.000 LeVar Johnson is not the most skillful guy, but let me tell you something.

00:15:37.000 He hits as hard as any human being I've ever seen hit someone in the heavyweight division.

00:15:41.000 He hits so fucking hard.

00:15:43.000 When he hit Pat Berry, I was like, Jesus fucking Christ.

00:15:47.000 And Pat Berry, that was the first guy.

00:15:49.000 Well, Chet Congo was the first guy to KO him.

00:15:51.000 KO'd Pat Barry.

00:15:52.000 But the LeVar Johnson fight was a little more shocking to me.

00:15:56.000 Because I was like, man, I thought that Barry would be able to out-technique this dude.

00:15:59.000 I thought there would be a lot of, like, that heavy right leg kick that he throws.

00:16:03.000 And, you know, Pat Barry was, you know, like the Shane Del Rosario fight.

00:16:06.000 He had good success against really high-level kickboxers.

00:16:09.000 So I was like, this is going to be a...

00:16:10.000 But LeVar hits so fucking hard.

00:16:14.000 Uppercut.

00:16:15.000 Dude.

00:16:16.000 He's got some life-changing punching power.

00:16:19.000 Not even close.

00:16:20.000 He's got that life-changing punching power.

00:16:23.000 Yeah, just fucking such a meathead.

00:16:26.000 What's that?

00:16:27.000 Who's such a meathead?

00:16:28.000 I said who hits harder.

00:16:28.000 LeVar?

00:16:29.000 LeVar, especially Rich Carwin is, dude.

00:16:31.000 He said who hits harder.

00:16:32.000 You're going to get a hypnotist?

00:16:33.000 I might have to, man.

00:16:35.000 Maybe, right?

00:16:36.000 Right?

00:16:36.000 How come more people aren't on this shit?

00:16:39.000 Mike Tyson is telling you he's the only guy in the history of fighting who went out there and scared the living bejesus out of his opponents.

00:16:47.000 No fighter in history had a lineup of opponents that were visibly terrified in the ring.

00:16:53.000 Terrified, all of them.

00:16:54.000 I think Rondo's doing the same right now.

00:16:56.000 They're not terrified.

00:16:57.000 Those girls are scared, man.

00:16:59.000 I don't think they're scared.

00:17:01.000 Dude, Trevor Burbank, do you remember that?

00:17:04.000 I already know what you walk out to with the Katy Perry song.

00:17:06.000 This Ray Borg is a good fucking grappler, man.

00:17:09.000 This is impressive shit.

00:17:11.000 Ray Borg's a beast.

00:17:12.000 Dude, he's going one sub to the next sub to the next sub.

00:17:14.000 Yeah, he's a beast, man.

00:17:16.000 He's a fucking beast.

00:17:17.000 And he's not tired.

00:17:18.000 Like, he's attacking aggressively and he doesn't get tired.

00:17:21.000 Well, the guy he's with, man, the guy he's fighting, Kalades, he's tough as shit, man.

00:17:26.000 Because that guy's withstood an assault.

00:17:30.000 I'm impressed.

00:17:31.000 I mean, look, that odds, right?

00:17:33.000 Now we know.

00:17:34.000 That's why it's 1,000 plus 1,000.

00:17:36.000 But if you're a minus 1,000, you're supposed to go in there and you're supposed to be a one-rounder.

00:17:40.000 That's usually how the odds are, you know what I'm saying?

00:17:42.000 But isn't a Mighty Mouse fight like a minus 1,000?

00:17:44.000 Sometimes he doesn't finish, guys.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, but he's also, I mean, what is he, a 125-er?

00:17:50.000 Yeah, but he knocked out Benavidez with one punch.

00:17:54.000 You know who's the craziest puncher?

00:17:56.000 It's that fucking Lineker kid.

00:17:57.000 I really wish he could make 125. They said he can't fight at 125 anymore.

00:18:02.000 They said he has to fight at 135. Yeah, yeah, he let it go.

00:18:06.000 So we're talking about technique now.

00:18:07.000 He's going for the D-path.

00:18:08.000 Look at this.

00:18:09.000 Look how strong Ray Borg's grappling is.

00:18:09.000 Ray Borg.

00:18:11.000 Look how strong.

00:18:12.000 Physically strong.

00:18:13.000 Just totally dominant in position.

00:18:15.000 Every position in those transitionary periods where it might tip the other way, wrong, bitch.

00:18:20.000 I'm on you.

00:18:21.000 Plant you down.

00:18:22.000 He's strong, man.

00:18:24.000 His grappling is super, super tight.

00:18:26.000 I like that.

00:18:27.000 It's tight, man.

00:18:28.000 That's Gio Kimura.

00:18:29.000 He's kind of like dropping a shit on your head, too.

00:18:32.000 That's his number one move right there.

00:18:33.000 He gets a free one.

00:18:34.000 Stay in half guard, hit the Kimura and hook the head with the left leg.

00:18:37.000 That's on his back.

00:18:38.000 That's where he lives right there.

00:18:40.000 When you transition that, you kind of get a free shin to the face too, right?

00:18:44.000 It's like the only time we're allowed to drop a shin on a dude.

00:18:47.000 You can try to choke him out a little bit or just ride it.

00:18:49.000 Put it right on your Adam Tapper.

00:18:50.000 If the guy has a good Kimura grip, if it's solid, it takes a long time to master just holding onto that grip.

00:18:55.000 It's not really about the Kimura these days.

00:18:58.000 It's more about just getting the grip to get better positions.

00:19:01.000 You can get the back from there.

00:19:02.000 It's hard to Kimura, guys, but...

00:19:04.000 Oh, he tapped.

00:19:05.000 He did.

00:19:06.000 Oh, he got him.

00:19:06.000 Wow, he got him.

00:19:07.000 Oh, fuck.

00:19:08.000 Wow, he yanked that shit up quick.

00:19:09.000 As soon as the left arm was free, he popped it right behind his back.

00:19:13.000 Very nice.

00:19:14.000 I'm not saying the Kimura is not possible, obviously it's possible, but it's generally now, it's an art in itself.

00:19:20.000 You can put a whole DVD out on jumping on a Kimura grip in every position and how to improve your position, how to sweep, how to get the back, how to turn it into an arm bar, how to do this, how to turn it into a leg lock.

00:19:34.000 Boom!

00:19:35.000 Just the Kimura grip.

00:19:36.000 It's a whole style on itself.

00:19:39.000 It could be its own style.

00:19:41.000 Really, just bam!

00:19:43.000 Watch how he gets it.

00:19:44.000 See that?

00:19:45.000 There's that free shin.

00:19:46.000 He's a mean shit.

00:19:48.000 You get a drop of shit on a dude's face.

00:19:50.000 It's so hard to get that arm out at that point.

00:19:53.000 Here he gets it right here.

00:19:54.000 Hey, how close was Javi to catching Gary Tonin in the Camorra?

00:20:01.000 I don't remember that he had him in a Kimura.

00:20:03.000 Very briefly, in the opening moments of the fight, he attacked with a Kimura, and Gary Tonin wound up getting out of it.

00:20:11.000 But you guys were speculating.

00:20:13.000 I was watching in the tub.

00:20:15.000 Watching a little stream in the tub.

00:20:18.000 You guys were speculating whether or not Javi would go after something quick.

00:20:24.000 And right away, they tied up.

00:20:26.000 But right away, Javi tried to lock up a Kimura.

00:20:29.000 I don't remember that.

00:20:31.000 Gary Tonin caught him with a triangle.

00:20:33.000 It was beautiful.

00:20:34.000 Gary Tonin is on fire.

00:20:36.000 He's on fire.

00:20:37.000 Dude, that triangle was just beautiful.

00:20:39.000 The way he took it from the side and then pinned him over.

00:20:42.000 How long?

00:20:42.000 How much time did he catch him?

00:20:43.000 It took about 10 minutes.

00:20:44.000 No, maybe less.

00:20:45.000 No, maybe less than 10 minutes.

00:20:47.000 It was a really, really high-paced match.

00:20:50.000 Javi could have easily...

00:20:51.000 He was telling me that he was going to take...

00:20:54.000 Gary Tonin into deep waters, because Javi's known for his cardio, and that's like his style.

00:21:00.000 He likes to wear them out.

00:21:02.000 He trains with Henner and Heron a lot.

00:21:04.000 They like to wear dudes out.

00:21:05.000 And that's what he was telling me that he was going to do, but he didn't do that at all.

00:21:08.000 He went after him.

00:21:09.000 He went after Gary Tonin, but it's so hard.

00:21:13.000 It's so hard to tap out Gary Tonin.

00:21:15.000 That's tough.

00:21:16.000 Tough.

00:21:17.000 You know what I was really impressed with?

00:21:18.000 I mean, I was really impressed with Gary Toten's triangle, but Javi's defense is insane.

00:21:23.000 Yeah, he defended all Gary Toten's leg locks.

00:21:26.000 That's what Gary's known for.

00:21:27.000 Gary's known for leg locks.

00:21:31.000 He said, I just trained with Lister, and he says he didn't get near my feet.

00:21:34.000 He says, I felt real good there.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, he already had amazing leg lock defense.

00:21:38.000 He trained with Eric Paulson down at CSW. Javi was...

00:21:42.000 Very hard to leg lock.

00:21:44.000 That's going to be a hard thing to do.

00:21:45.000 And he spent a lot of extra time with leg lock defense because that's Gary's go-to stuff.

00:21:52.000 But he got kind of triangle.

00:21:53.000 Gary Tony got all kind of game.

00:21:55.000 He's got everything.

00:21:56.000 That triangle was so beautiful, too.

00:21:58.000 To set it up on a guy like Javi from your side like that, lock it in, and then just go through.

00:22:03.000 Every step of the way, Javi couldn't stop it.

00:22:06.000 He won his match.

00:22:08.000 Gary Tunnel won his match in Polaris.

00:22:09.000 He beat Marcin Held.

00:22:11.000 He leg-locked him.

00:22:12.000 And before that, Metamorris against Zach Maxwell.

00:22:16.000 He leg-locked him.

00:22:18.000 And then before that, the other Metamorris he did against Kit Dale.

00:22:22.000 Guillotined him.

00:22:23.000 He's not just leg locks.

00:22:24.000 His leg locks are vicious.

00:22:26.000 Does he do gi and no gi or just gi?

00:22:27.000 He does gi.

00:22:28.000 He doesn't do as well in the gi because he's just not a points guy.

00:22:32.000 It's a whole different game.

00:22:33.000 There's a points style and then there's a submission only style.

00:22:37.000 Two different completely...

00:22:39.000 The way you were trained for those tournaments is totally different.

00:22:42.000 Well, no one gives a shit about the points-only ones.

00:22:45.000 They don't care.

00:22:46.000 If it's points-only and it doesn't go to a submission, it just feels kind of fucked up.

00:22:51.000 But when you're watching these fights, like these fights in the Gracie Nationals, dude, those were fucking exciting as shit because you knew someone was getting tapped.

00:22:59.000 There's not a better one than EBI. It's the best tournament I ever been to.

00:23:02.000 It's the best.

00:23:04.000 These kind of tournaments where you're going submission only, that's what's up.

00:23:07.000 The overtime, all that stuff.

00:23:08.000 Gary Toten's coming from EBI 3 March 22nd, Sunday.

00:23:11.000 March 22nd?

00:23:12.000 At the Orpheum Theater.

00:23:14.000 It's going to be on budovideos.com.

00:23:16.000 It's going to be the first one that we do on pay-per-view.

00:23:18.000 Orpheum's a different one than...

00:23:20.000 There's an Orpheus movie where they film American Idol.

00:23:22.000 We got hooked up.

00:23:23.000 We got hooked up.

00:23:23.000 What time is it?

00:23:24.000 What time does it go?

00:23:25.000 We start.

00:23:26.000 Doors open at 2. We're going to start at 4. It's on a Sunday.

00:23:29.000 March 22nd.

00:23:29.000 I got the Comedy Magic Club at 7. Will I miss everything?

00:23:32.000 Will I miss the main show?

00:23:33.000 It'll go until 11 at night.

00:23:37.000 You might not get to the end.

00:23:39.000 Where's it going to be at?

00:23:40.000 A 16-man tournament can take an hour and a half, or it can take two hours and a half.

00:23:45.000 It's like a badass documentary.

00:23:48.000 Even if you don't know the first eight matches, the preliminaries, by the time you get to the finals, you're going to know those finalists very, very well.

00:23:54.000 So when you go see a 16-man tournament, each match, one at a time, it really is like a documentary.

00:24:00.000 It's like UFC 2. Remember that shit?

00:24:03.000 You got to see it all unfold.

00:24:05.000 You don't really get to see that much.

00:24:06.000 Where do you get to see that?

00:24:08.000 Where do you get to see a tournament unfold like that anymore?

00:24:11.000 Glory.

00:24:11.000 That crazy fucking...

00:24:12.000 Glory?

00:24:13.000 Yes, exactly.

00:24:13.000 How good was that last glory?

00:24:15.000 Insane.

00:24:16.000 That's the only other place.

00:24:17.000 I think they should stop that.

00:24:18.000 I really do.

00:24:19.000 I'm a big fan of glory.

00:24:21.000 I want glory to be successful.

00:24:22.000 Jiu-Jitsu is different though.

00:24:23.000 You can do it in Jiu-Jitsu matches.

00:24:24.000 Jiu-Jitsu is for sure.

00:24:26.000 100%.

00:24:26.000 That's very different.

00:24:27.000 I mean for glory.

00:24:28.000 Even in MMA it's more kind.

00:24:30.000 But for a straight kickboxing, it's oof.

00:24:33.000 Ben, what do you think about that, Ben?

00:24:34.000 You're an active fighter.

00:24:36.000 Pull up that microphone, man.

00:24:37.000 What do you think about the idea of fighting like that, like a glory event?

00:24:41.000 It's kind of dangerous, right?

00:24:42.000 Three times in a night?

00:24:43.000 I mean, it's definitely dangerous, but it's also, if you're doing it, you're doing it as like...

00:24:48.000 That's the goal.

00:24:50.000 It's so crazy how many people are really willing to participate in this and really go try to become the champion of that night.

00:24:59.000 That's what got me into fighting when I saw the UFC back in the day.

00:25:03.000 Tournaments.

00:25:04.000 Yeah, tournaments.

00:25:05.000 All in one night.

00:25:06.000 It was nuts.

00:25:08.000 There's so much circumstance and I guess there could be luck.

00:25:12.000 You could win with a head kick but break your foot.

00:25:14.000 Right.

00:25:15.000 Now you're going along, you know, either trying to fight through it or you have to bow out and that's it, you know?

00:25:22.000 Yeah, like Steve Jennum.

00:25:23.000 Remember when Steve Jennum won because Hoist couldn't go on?

00:25:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:26.000 Steve Jennum won up going on.

00:25:27.000 No one really remembers him.

00:25:29.000 Those tournaments versus, like, the Pride tournaments when it's like, this month they're going to fight, then we'll have the next thing.

00:25:36.000 But...

00:25:36.000 To have it all in one night, that's the thing, man.

00:25:39.000 I love the pride style.

00:25:41.000 I think we know too much about getting damaged and then cooling off and then going back and getting more damage.

00:25:49.000 The ramifications are multiplied.

00:25:52.000 You're getting all these concussions and then you're going to go and have another fight.

00:25:56.000 How much are those boys getting paid over in Glory?

00:25:58.000 That's a good question.

00:25:59.000 Does anyone know?

00:26:01.000 It can't be great.

00:26:01.000 I don't know.

00:26:02.000 I do not know.

00:26:03.000 It can't be great.

00:26:04.000 I have zero idea.

00:26:05.000 I wouldn't want to speculate, but they're on Viacom.

00:26:09.000 I'm telling you, it can't be great.

00:26:10.000 My take is this could work because they're on Viacom.

00:26:14.000 They're on fucking Spike TV, and Spike TV's making Friday night just combat sports night.

00:26:19.000 Bellator one time, kickboxing another time.

00:26:21.000 They're doing Golden Glory boxing.

00:26:23.000 It's going to be great, but...

00:26:25.000 If people just pay attention, Glory's gonna be huge.

00:26:28.000 It's just one of those, it can't miss.

00:26:30.000 They just have to do, like what the UFC did, is the UFC put the Ultimate Fighter together and they spent 44 million dollars in losses before the Ultimate Fighter became a hit.

00:26:38.000 So it was like, they were real close to getting out.

00:26:41.000 Glory's gotta do the same thing.

00:26:42.000 If Glory can figure out how to just hang in there, that fucking thing could take off.

00:26:46.000 It's exciting as shit, man.

00:26:48.000 Yeah.

00:26:49.000 I mean, everybody wants to see stand-up fighting.

00:26:51.000 If everybody fought the way Gary Tonin fights or the way Marcelo Garcia fights, people would love to see no-gi jiu-jitsu, too.

00:26:59.000 Just like people love to see boxing, too.

00:27:01.000 But you want to talk about, like, pure excitement.

00:27:04.000 Like, kickboxing is right up there with MMA. I mean, it's like high-level kickboxer with the best guys are going at it.

00:27:10.000 It's some wild shit goes down.

00:27:12.000 That fucking Raymond Daniels dude with those wild 360 in-the-air spin kicks like a fucking video game.

00:27:19.000 He knocks dudes out with, like, video game shit.

00:27:21.000 He threw a jumping sidekick, Eddie, touched the guy in the chest, and then spun with a spinning back kick to his face in the air.

00:27:29.000 It was insane.

00:27:29.000 It was out of control, man.

00:27:30.000 It was out of control.

00:27:31.000 It was some fucking, literally some video game shit.

00:27:35.000 Well, he was a badass point fighter.

00:27:37.000 He was a badass point karate fighter.

00:27:40.000 I don't know if it was Taekwondo or karate.

00:27:42.000 I mean, whatever it is.

00:27:43.000 The lines are getting blurry with all those.

00:27:46.000 The techniques are getting real close.

00:27:48.000 Is this going to be a tough fight?

00:27:50.000 It's going to be Ronda's toughest challenge, but I think she'll pass the test.

00:27:54.000 What if she just rips right through her again?

00:27:56.000 She's just like, everybody's a new challenge for Ronda, and then she just fucks them all up.

00:28:02.000 Right?

00:28:02.000 You know it's going to be a crazy fight.

00:28:06.000 I'm here to say that I believe Ronda gets hypnotized before she fights.

00:28:10.000 I'm just saying that.

00:28:11.000 Would you clarify though?

00:28:12.000 Look at the way she comes out.

00:28:14.000 Look at the way she comes out.

00:28:15.000 And you know, what's his name?

00:28:19.000 It looks like Benson Henderson would know her.

00:28:21.000 Her catch wrestling, Judo Jean LaBelle.

00:28:23.000 He's old school.

00:28:25.000 He probably knew custom model.

00:28:26.000 He probably knew custom model.

00:28:28.000 They probably took hypnotizing lessons together.

00:28:31.000 They got the blue belts together.

00:28:34.000 Yes.

00:28:34.000 Inhypnotism?

00:28:36.000 Explain it!

00:28:36.000 That's the new...

00:28:37.000 Rhonda comes out, she looks like she's on fucking...

00:28:40.000 She comes out like Mike Tyson!

00:28:43.000 I also think Rhonda is so much better than all these girls.

00:28:46.000 She could go on a three-week binge, no sleep, do all the coke she wants and walk in and just destroy these...

00:28:51.000 Coke!

00:28:52.000 Whatever the hell she wants to do.

00:28:54.000 Don't throw under the bus!

00:28:54.000 Name a drug.

00:28:55.000 Well, I'm not saying she is, I'm saying she could.

00:28:58.000 He wasn't saying that anyway.

00:28:59.000 Alright, anyway.

00:29:01.000 We know what you mean.

00:29:02.000 You know what, man?

00:29:04.000 It's really about Cyborg dropping down to 135. Unless, I mean, we don't know, man.

00:29:08.000 Kat Zingano, you look at that combination.

00:29:10.000 Kat's a beast, man.

00:29:11.000 She finished Misha Tate with.

00:29:12.000 She's fucking ferocious.

00:29:13.000 This is legit ferocious.

00:29:15.000 It's a slow start.

00:29:16.000 Rhonda's got more competition than all those girls combined.

00:29:19.000 So when she walks out with that stare, she's been walking that aisle for fucking years.

00:29:26.000 And her striking's getting good now.

00:29:27.000 Now all of a sudden, they gotta worry about that shit now.

00:29:30.000 Right?

00:29:31.000 In Texas, when she fought there, she knocked the girl every thought.

00:29:34.000 She ground and pounded her out.

00:29:35.000 And then they go, oh no, it was the knee.

00:29:36.000 Oh no, it was the throw.

00:29:37.000 Bullshit.

00:29:38.000 She hit her and knocked her out.

00:29:40.000 And then kneed her so quickly and then threw her before anybody knew she was out.

00:29:43.000 Before she landed that knee on that one check.

00:29:45.000 The girl was already out cold.

00:29:46.000 She was already out cold.

00:29:47.000 Who was it, Sarah McMahon that she fucked up with the knee?

00:29:49.000 Yeah.

00:29:50.000 Before that knee, Jessamyn Duke was telling me weeks before, she's killing with the knee.

00:29:54.000 She like dropped Jessamyn Duke with the knee like in training.

00:29:57.000 So Jessamyn said, she's got crazy knees.

00:30:00.000 Ronda's got like, whoa.

00:30:01.000 Well, you think about that.

00:30:02.000 Ronda really doesn't train with girls.

00:30:04.000 The girls, her friends, her roommates that she used to have, she really wasn't training with them.

00:30:08.000 She'd beat them up so bad.

00:30:10.000 The coach was like, nah, we need dudes up in here.

00:30:12.000 We need some fucking dudes.

00:30:14.000 Can you imagine though?

00:30:14.000 That's an uncommon woman.

00:30:15.000 The pressure, that kind of training, since she's three?

00:30:19.000 Come on.

00:30:19.000 Yeah.

00:30:20.000 Yeah.

00:30:21.000 She's just an ultra winner.

00:30:24.000 It's going to take another ultra winner to beat her.

00:30:26.000 What about Marina?

00:30:27.000 Does she train with her still or no?

00:30:29.000 Shit, your guess is as good as mine.

00:30:31.000 You don't be badass if Ron has said, you know what?

00:30:34.000 I don't give a fuck about the steroids.

00:30:36.000 Let that bitch do steroids.

00:30:37.000 I'll still fight her.

00:30:38.000 Steroids or not, I'm still going to beat her ass.

00:30:40.000 You don't want to say that, man.

00:30:41.000 You need to watch that Gina Carano fight.

00:30:41.000 You don't want to say that.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:46.000 How crazy would it be if she said that?

00:30:47.000 Dude, if she came out and said that, that would be the most gangster thing you could fight.

00:30:51.000 That's the most gangster shit.

00:30:52.000 Ray Rice elevator shit.

00:30:53.000 It was just like, dear God, someone stop this shit.

00:30:56.000 Because that's basically what fighters in the UFC are doing.

00:30:58.000 You have an opponent.

00:30:59.000 You know the guy is roided in the gills.

00:31:02.000 You know that.

00:31:03.000 But you don't say like, you know what?

00:31:04.000 You don't bring that out.

00:31:05.000 You can't.

00:31:06.000 You accept it.

00:31:07.000 You're like, of course he is.

00:31:08.000 Look at the guy.

00:31:09.000 We're going to fight.

00:31:10.000 You don't even bring up the steroids.

00:31:12.000 A couple people do.

00:31:13.000 Like, Chad Mendes brought it up, or someone brought it up.

00:31:15.000 A couple guys do, but you generally, you know that there's a good chance that your opponent is probably on some shit, right?

00:31:23.000 Yeah, but there's a difference between a guy who becomes...

00:31:25.000 You can't speculate publicly.

00:31:27.000 If you're about to weigh in, I'll grab the mic from Rogan.

00:31:30.000 Like, yo, homeboy's on the sauce.

00:31:32.000 No, of course, of course.

00:31:33.000 Of course, but in your mind, you're assuming that he probably is.

00:31:37.000 Let me prepare for someone who's probably roided, right?

00:31:40.000 Yeah, but there's a big difference between someone who's probably roided and someone like Cyborg, who's a girl, taking male hormones.

00:31:47.000 That's a different argument.

00:31:48.000 Is that proven?

00:31:49.000 She tested positive.

00:31:49.000 Is that proven?

00:31:52.000 If she did steroids, she'd be huge!

00:31:55.000 She's fucking- you ever seen her?

00:31:56.000 She's bigger than a needle!

00:31:57.000 Let's have a debate right now.

00:31:59.000 It is so open to, like, first things first.

00:32:02.000 He doesn't even proven.

00:32:03.000 It's been a while.

00:32:04.000 She looks a lot different now.

00:32:04.000 We haven't done one of these in a while.

00:32:06.000 You look at Cyborg now, she looks a lot leaner.

00:32:08.000 That's the answer you give if someone asks if you do roids.

00:32:10.000 You go, dude, if I did roids, I'd be huge.

00:32:12.000 That's what you said.

00:32:13.000 Yeah.

00:32:14.000 Right?

00:32:14.000 You're not denying it or anything?

00:32:16.000 You're just...

00:32:16.000 You know, the real argument though is...

00:32:18.000 They're like, wait, you are huge though.

00:32:20.000 Dude, come on, look at me!

00:32:22.000 Look at me, dude!

00:32:23.000 You think I'm unwise?

00:32:23.000 Look at me!

00:32:24.000 Think about that!

00:32:25.000 Thanks for the compliment.

00:32:26.000 The real argument with a chick like her, though, is that...

00:32:29.000 How long was she doing it for?

00:32:31.000 And did she permanently alter her physique?

00:32:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:32:35.000 Like, when you're introducing...

00:32:37.000 If you look at...

00:32:38.000 Like, you ever seen those women?

00:32:40.000 Yeah, well those women that used to be like Miss Olympia's, I know one of those ladies and she just looks different now.

00:32:46.000 Like, she juiced up.

00:32:48.000 And she just looks different now.

00:32:48.000 Guaranteed.

00:32:50.000 She's in her 50s now and it's like, man.

00:32:52.000 Thicker?

00:32:53.000 Like, what do you mean?

00:32:53.000 She looks like, everything's thicker?

00:32:55.000 It's pretty obvious.

00:32:56.000 She did some fucking male hormones.

00:32:58.000 Judo?

00:32:58.000 What'd she do?

00:32:58.000 Wrestle?

00:32:59.000 She was Miss Olympia.

00:33:01.000 Or one of those, not Miss Olympia or Miss Universe or whatever.

00:33:01.000 Bodybuilding.

00:33:04.000 She was a giant lady.

00:33:05.000 Do you think those speed skaters with the big thighs, you think they do roids?

00:33:09.000 I would think that a lot of professional athletes do steroids.

00:33:13.000 A lot of amateur athletes.

00:33:15.000 And do you think that since the Lance Armstrong situation happened, do you think cyclists are still doing all that shit?

00:33:23.000 Hell yeah.

00:33:23.000 Nothing changed?

00:33:24.000 No.

00:33:25.000 He got busted, nothing changed.

00:33:26.000 Part of the game.

00:33:27.000 Did you see what happened with that?

00:33:28.000 The next guy that didn't piss hot would have been like the 22nd finisher.

00:33:33.000 I think it was 15. 15th or 16th place.

00:33:36.000 Can you imagine if you were 15?

00:33:37.000 The next best guy that didn't piss dirty ever was the 15th guy in to finish.

00:33:44.000 They all piss hot.

00:33:45.000 So 1 through 14, everyone piss hot.

00:33:48.000 Like a certain year or something?

00:33:50.000 What are you guys saying?

00:33:50.000 In a certain year, 1 through 14 piss hot?

00:33:52.000 No, no, no, no.

00:33:53.000 He's saying if there's 20 guys that raced, 15 of them pissed hot.

00:33:58.000 The top 15?

00:33:59.000 Positive.

00:34:00.000 In what year?

00:34:01.000 I mean, what is that?

00:34:02.000 Almost every year.

00:34:03.000 Oh, every time.

00:34:04.000 They always piss off.

00:34:05.000 Yeah.

00:34:05.000 They always get busted.

00:34:06.000 And they just keep going?

00:34:07.000 It's essentially a dirty sport.

00:34:09.000 No one gets busted?

00:34:09.000 It's a dirty sport.

00:34:10.000 But see, for the longest time, people were lying.

00:34:10.000 No, they do.

00:34:13.000 They didn't have as sophisticated methods of determining whether they were on certain things.

00:34:17.000 And there was doctors that were involved.

00:34:19.000 There's a lot of scandalous shit that's going down.

00:34:21.000 That guy that you had on the podcast.

00:34:22.000 Look at this.

00:34:22.000 Kevin Lee with a guillotine, standing guillotine.

00:34:25.000 The guy he's fighting is a beast, man.

00:34:27.000 That fucking Pazeros.

00:34:29.000 He's very fucking strong.

00:34:31.000 Yeah, but this guy is a jiu-jitsu guy on top.

00:34:33.000 I'm telling you.

00:34:34.000 He can.

00:34:34.000 He's still got guillotine.

00:34:35.000 That's a deep guillotine.

00:34:36.000 Yeah, I'm telling you, this dude is getting through that.

00:34:40.000 It's a different animal.

00:34:42.000 Michel Perez, I think, how do you say it?

00:34:44.000 Pizaris, rather?

00:34:45.000 Oh, look at that.

00:34:46.000 He's a beast, dude.

00:34:47.000 There's some gnarly grappling going on.

00:34:47.000 I'm telling you.

00:34:49.000 Oh, dude, he's a beast.

00:34:50.000 This guy's physically strong.

00:34:52.000 He doesn't finish often in the octagon.

00:34:54.000 He's having a hard time, like, catching guys and stuff.

00:34:56.000 But his positioning is ridiculous.

00:34:58.000 This is where you use the grease right here.

00:34:59.000 Someone's got your back.

00:35:00.000 You get on that tripod.

00:35:01.000 His physical strength and control is ridiculous.

00:35:06.000 But you know what?

00:35:07.000 Sometimes it takes guys like Damian Maia.

00:35:09.000 You know, sometimes it takes guys a few fights to get settled in.

00:35:12.000 It looked like he just kissed him in the cheek.

00:35:15.000 Damian Maia is going to fight Ryan LaFleur.

00:35:19.000 It's the main event out there, right?

00:35:20.000 That's an interesting fight, man.

00:35:22.000 People don't know how good LaFleur is.

00:35:23.000 Is that your card, Killaby?

00:35:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:26.000 Same card, man.

00:35:27.000 Who was supposed to be on the main event?

00:35:28.000 Uriah Faber and...

00:35:30.000 Oh, that's right.

00:35:32.000 Yes.

00:35:32.000 Asuncao.

00:35:33.000 Asuncao fucked his foot up.

00:35:34.000 He broke his ankle.

00:35:35.000 So now it's Uriah Faber and...

00:35:37.000 Uriah Faber versus fucking Frankie Edgar, dude.

00:35:40.000 That's crazy.

00:35:42.000 The Philippines?

00:35:42.000 The Philippines.

00:35:43.000 Main event for the Philippines.

00:35:44.000 Is that at 45?

00:35:45.000 Yep.

00:35:46.000 It's a gnarly ass fight.

00:35:47.000 It's a gnarly fight.

00:35:49.000 I like Uriah Faber at 45 because he can have all that energy.

00:35:52.000 You know?

00:35:53.000 I mean, he cuts to get to 135. I think it's really rough on him.

00:35:57.000 And I think even especially as you get older, it might benefit him to fight 145 because he's still going to cut a little.

00:36:03.000 You know?

00:36:04.000 Like, they're very similar in size.

00:36:07.000 But it might be the first fight ever where Frankie Edgar's the bigger guy.

00:36:10.000 I think every UFC fighter could learn something from Uri Faber.

00:36:13.000 No one's capitalized as far as business-wise opportunity than Uri Faber.

00:36:17.000 He's a beast.

00:36:18.000 When it comes to business, how?

00:36:22.000 Just the real estate that he owns, the companies that he starts, Torque he sold to K-Swiss.

00:36:29.000 He always has his hand in the pot as far as just making stuff happen.

00:36:32.000 Dude, Torque makes good shit.

00:36:33.000 They're the best gloves I've ever used, man.

00:36:35.000 They have two Velcros inside of them.

00:36:37.000 It zips up really tight.

00:36:38.000 It's a super comfortable glove.

00:36:40.000 Like, I have a pair of Twins that I was using, and they feel like shit now compared to the Torque.

00:36:46.000 Torque's sweet, man.

00:36:47.000 But I love the Twins.

00:36:48.000 Twins are nice.

00:36:49.000 They're good.

00:36:49.000 I mean, I use them constantly.

00:36:51.000 I like them.

00:36:51.000 But these Torques are so good.

00:36:54.000 Everything they make is good.

00:36:55.000 Their shin and insteps are great.

00:36:57.000 Their gloves are like, they're like the most comfortable gloves I've ever put on.

00:37:01.000 You know what makes really good gloves too?

00:37:03.000 Hayabusa.

00:37:04.000 They make some great.

00:37:05.000 Yeah, that's those tie pads that we have.

00:37:08.000 Justin holds the tie pads for me and I had the older ones and they'd fuck his arms up.

00:37:13.000 But the Hayabusa's man, it absorbs everything.

00:37:16.000 Do you always wear those tie gloves when you hit mitts?

00:37:19.000 What do you mean?

00:37:19.000 Do you wear like winning or any of the...

00:37:21.000 I wear these for punching.

00:37:23.000 I wear the fucking Torx, man.

00:37:25.000 I don't wear anything with...

00:37:26.000 I have like 80 different gloves.

00:37:27.000 I always pick those Torx up.

00:37:29.000 Have you tried those winning gloves?

00:37:31.000 Yeah, I've tried those.

00:37:32.000 Those are good.

00:37:32.000 Yeah.

00:37:33.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of good stuff.

00:37:35.000 You know, a lot of people...

00:37:36.000 Tidal makes good gloves.

00:37:37.000 A lot of people make good gloves.

00:37:39.000 The torque is like...

00:37:39.000 But I really...

00:37:40.000 It's very pliable, too.

00:37:43.000 Like, it moves good in your hand.

00:37:44.000 You feel like you get a good grip.

00:37:45.000 For me, it's all about wrist support, man.

00:37:47.000 My wrists are jacked.

00:37:48.000 You gotta tape the shit out of them.

00:37:50.000 Do you tape the shit out of them when you work out?

00:37:52.000 Do you do wrist exercises?

00:37:54.000 Do you do wrist exercises to strengthen it?

00:37:56.000 Nah.

00:37:57.000 What?

00:37:58.000 How dare you?

00:37:59.000 Fuck yeah, you should be doing wrist curls.

00:38:03.000 Wrist curls are big, man.

00:38:04.000 Don't do anything with a weak link.

00:38:05.000 Don't address that shit.

00:38:07.000 Yeah.

00:38:08.000 Dude, I had a bad wrist for like...

00:38:09.000 I had a bad wrist for like 10 years.

00:38:13.000 I fucked up my wrist once, and it literally never got better.

00:38:17.000 I never got an MRI. I never found out what was wrong with it.

00:38:19.000 It would click.

00:38:20.000 No matter what I did, it would click, and it would be in pain every time I worked out for like 10 years.

00:38:25.000 That's me.

00:38:26.000 But you know what I got?

00:38:27.000 Pro-low therapy.

00:38:28.000 That's my life.

00:38:28.000 I got that pro-low therapy shit where they inject, like they stick glucose into your tenons.

00:38:34.000 Did you like that in the PRP? No, it's a different thing.

00:38:37.000 Like one of them you do for joints, like where the tendons are loose and you have issues.

00:38:41.000 Dude, it fixed it.

00:38:42.000 Like you never hear about something getting fixed.

00:38:44.000 Like when someone has a chronic something for 10 years, it's always like, well, dude, that's some shit you got to deal with.

00:38:49.000 But no, my wrist got fixed.

00:38:51.000 They injected all these fucking needles into it.

00:38:54.000 Hurt like a fuck.

00:38:55.000 It feels like fire.

00:38:57.000 It's fire.

00:38:59.000 It's amazing.

00:39:00.000 It's sore, too.

00:39:01.000 And then it's sore as fuck, and they're like, yeah, no ibuprofen.

00:39:04.000 We want the swelling.

00:39:05.000 So just sit with that hurt for a long time.

00:39:07.000 Prolo therapy?

00:39:08.000 Yeah, what it does is it makes your tendons physically thicker.

00:39:12.000 Like, it can make it as much as 40% thicker.

00:39:15.000 Someone knew someone.

00:39:16.000 I want to say it's Scotty from On The Mat.

00:39:20.000 One of his buddies was getting prolo on his elbows and his knees just to strengthen them from jiu-jitsu.

00:39:28.000 Didn't even have issues.

00:39:30.000 Was getting it just injected in.

00:39:32.000 It's a great idea.

00:39:33.000 It literally strengthens your tendons.

00:39:35.000 It hurts so bad.

00:39:36.000 It hurts so bad.

00:39:37.000 But allegedly, I mean, I want to make sure that this is...

00:39:40.000 You should Google it before you go out and do it.

00:39:43.000 Years, years ago when he was like a purple belt to John Jocks, he tweaked his knee in jujitsu really, really bad.

00:39:50.000 And you immediately called the people from Prolo from John Jocks and they said, come on over now.

00:39:57.000 And you had your NSX. Yeah.

00:40:00.000 And I remember he couldn't drive, so I had to drive his NSX. And I've never driven a high-powered sports car before, so I was kind of like grinding the gears here and there.

00:40:09.000 And he's dying as you're going.

00:40:10.000 He's so mad!

00:40:11.000 He was so mad!

00:40:13.000 His knee was fucked up and he was like, this is the first car I got when I got ripped and you're killing it.

00:40:17.000 He was already, can you imagine, he's in the worst mood he could be and his knee just popped.

00:40:24.000 I'm rushing him to prolo therapy so that we can avoid surgery perhaps, right?

00:40:29.000 And he's so mad at me, I'll never forget.

00:40:32.000 You can't fucking drive with shit, dude!

00:40:34.000 You're fucking killing my gears!

00:40:36.000 What the fuck are you doing?

00:40:37.000 And he was panicking.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, you put the pressure on so he's nervous probably even more, making it worse.

00:40:39.000 I'm like...

00:40:44.000 Dude, it's a hard car to drive, dude.

00:40:46.000 You have to practice.

00:40:47.000 It's not like driving a central stick shift.

00:40:50.000 One of the easiest cars to drive a man could ever drive.

00:40:50.000 It's different.

00:40:50.000 It's not.

00:40:52.000 It's one of the smoothest, easiest cars a man could ever drive in his life.

00:40:55.000 Come on, man.

00:40:56.000 The NSX is no point for being a smooth, easy car to drive.

00:40:56.000 Come on.

00:41:00.000 It was very powerful, man.

00:41:03.000 I had a stick shift Pinto station wagon.

00:41:05.000 I was used to that shit.

00:41:06.000 Well, the one that you drove was the best one I ever owned, too, because it was supercharged.

00:41:11.000 I put a supercharger on that one.

00:41:13.000 And the prolo-therapy, this was like 15 years ago, man.

00:41:16.000 Back then, they didn't have the results they have now, right?

00:41:18.000 The scientific data?

00:41:19.000 Well, what happened to my knee was I had a bucket handle tear the meniscus, so prolotherapy wouldn't have fixed that.

00:41:25.000 I had to get some surgery done.

00:41:26.000 There was an opening in the meniscus where it would flip over and lock.

00:41:31.000 The meniscus was torn, and if my knee got tweaked sideways, the torn part would tuck under, and it would literally lock my leg out.

00:41:39.000 It was rough.

00:41:40.000 So they had to go in there and scoop that shit out and fix it.

00:41:43.000 But the prolotherapy is really good for if you have any tendon issues.

00:41:48.000 They just had to take some of it out.

00:41:49.000 They'd take some of it out.

00:41:50.000 But they fixed it.

00:41:51.000 I mean, it gets sore occasionally now, but I could do everything with it.

00:41:56.000 Ben has never needed any surgery.

00:41:58.000 He's never been hurt, right?

00:42:00.000 You've never needed any kind of surgery, right?

00:42:02.000 No blown out knees, no nothing.

00:42:04.000 And how old are you now?

00:42:04.000 That's amazing.

00:42:06.000 You're 31, right?

00:42:07.000 Randy Couture went his whole career with no surgery.

00:42:10.000 That's amazing.

00:42:11.000 Amazing.

00:42:13.000 Yeah, that is crazy.

00:42:15.000 So this fucking dude, Michel Pizarres, he's a beast, man.

00:42:19.000 This is a good scrap.

00:42:20.000 And this Kevin Lee kid, he's fucking good, man.

00:42:23.000 I've seen him.

00:42:23.000 I've commented on several of his fights.

00:42:25.000 He's a really young kid.

00:42:26.000 He's about to switch on him right here.

00:42:28.000 Look at this.

00:42:28.000 Yeah.

00:42:29.000 So close.

00:42:29.000 Damn, next Sunday is Bigfoot and Frank Mayer?

00:42:32.000 Yeah.

00:42:33.000 Yeah, next Sunday.

00:42:34.000 Where's that at?

00:42:35.000 It's in Brazil.

00:42:36.000 It's one of the first main events ever where one guy's 0-4 and the other's 0-3 in his last three.

00:42:42.000 Yeah.

00:42:43.000 It's a big crucial fight for both of them.

00:42:45.000 Well, it's a weird fight, you know.

00:42:48.000 It's a good fight, really.

00:42:50.000 Yeah.

00:42:51.000 I'm a Frank Mir fan.

00:42:52.000 Well, I've always been a Frank Mir fan.

00:42:54.000 Love that guy.

00:42:55.000 Frank Mir, he can't do TRT anymore, though.

00:42:58.000 That's one thing.

00:42:59.000 He's doing TRT. Why not?

00:43:01.000 They won't let him.

00:43:02.000 Nobody does TRT anymore.

00:43:04.000 Bigfoot can't do TRT anymore, either.

00:43:06.000 So are fighters now, are they stopping with PEDs now?

00:43:12.000 I mean, are they stopping?

00:43:14.000 Are they really stopping, or are they trying to be more careful?

00:43:16.000 Come on.

00:43:17.000 Can they really stop?

00:43:17.000 What do you think?

00:43:19.000 Can you really train that hard?

00:43:20.000 The guys just figure ways around it.

00:43:26.000 You gotta wonder.

00:43:27.000 It's part of professional sports.

00:43:29.000 It's not a UFC problem.

00:43:30.000 It's a professional sports problem.

00:43:33.000 Just UFC guys get caught and it makes a bigger scene.

00:43:37.000 NFL guys get caught all the time.

00:43:39.000 What do you think about it?

00:43:40.000 We can't talk over each other.

00:43:42.000 Every year there's NFL players that get popped.

00:43:47.000 Non-stop.

00:43:47.000 Every year.

00:43:48.000 About how many a year on average?

00:43:50.000 Way more than the UFC. Not even close.

00:43:52.000 Granted, there's more players.

00:43:53.000 Yeah, 10, 15 a year?

00:43:55.000 Or way more?

00:43:55.000 Probably more.

00:43:56.000 More!

00:43:56.000 Are you sure?

00:43:57.000 But they don't even announce it anymore.

00:43:58.000 They don't.

00:43:59.000 They just let it go.

00:43:59.000 Because it's just whatever.

00:44:00.000 Because they don't have to.

00:44:01.000 Because the commission's announcing it.

00:44:03.000 The number one team that got banned the most had the most players test positive.

00:44:07.000 And we don't know whether it's...

00:44:08.000 It could be for Adderall.

00:44:10.000 It could be for steroids.

00:44:11.000 We don't know.

00:44:12.000 They don't tell you that.

00:44:13.000 But the number one team who had the most players test positive was the Seattle Seahawks, who won the Super Bowl.

00:44:19.000 Makes sense.

00:44:20.000 So why is it that baseball goes in front of Congress and basketball, all these other sports, it's just a fine or it's an internal problem?

00:44:28.000 Wait a minute, didn't the Patriots win the Super Bowl?

00:44:30.000 My bad, yeah.

00:44:31.000 Last year.

00:44:32.000 I don't even know football.

00:44:33.000 My bad, last year.

00:44:33.000 Yeah, last year.

00:44:35.000 You could have told me that the Bulls won the Super Bowl.

00:44:38.000 I love football.

00:44:40.000 I didn't watch that game.

00:44:42.000 I grew up a football fanatic, but the more I got into the UFC, the more I stopped watching football.

00:44:48.000 I barely watch football every now and then.

00:44:50.000 I keep track of it.

00:44:51.000 I don't give a fuck about the Patriots or the Seahawks, but I watched the Super Bowl, and holy shit!

00:44:56.000 That was the craziest game of all time.

00:44:59.000 The end, that catch, the craziest catch in football history right there at the very end.

00:44:59.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 It just bounces off the dude's body.

00:45:11.000 I can't believe you watched football, man.

00:45:12.000 I wouldn't think that.

00:45:13.000 No, the Super Bowl was crazy.

00:45:15.000 And then they threw an interception right after that.

00:45:18.000 And then the game's over.

00:45:19.000 How about the Katy Perry riding the lion part?

00:45:22.000 I'm not mad at that either.

00:45:23.000 I didn't get to see that.

00:45:25.000 No?

00:45:26.000 She's a talented chick, man.

00:45:28.000 Anybody can say that.

00:45:28.000 I don't care.

00:45:29.000 She's pretty and she's very talented.

00:45:32.000 I'm not trying to buy her music or anything, but I see the hook.

00:45:36.000 I hear the hook in there.

00:45:37.000 I'm like, okay, that music is pretty good.

00:45:40.000 I ain't going to try to buy it, but hey, it's better than fucking Britney Spears.

00:45:44.000 You know, according to Twitter, she's the most famous person on earth.

00:45:48.000 She has the most followers out of anyone.

00:45:50.000 Wow.

00:45:51.000 I can't even tell you.

00:45:52.000 No way.

00:45:53.000 More than like a Kim Kardashian?

00:45:55.000 Yeah.

00:45:55.000 Let's take a guess.

00:45:56.000 Oh, come on.

00:45:57.000 I don't know about that.

00:45:58.000 More than Obama?

00:45:58.000 That doesn't seem possible.

00:45:59.000 What do you think she has?

00:46:01.000 39. Twitter?

00:46:03.000 What do you say?

00:46:04.000 I'm going to say...

00:46:05.000 He went 39?

00:46:06.000 This is like Price is Right.

00:46:06.000 73 million.

00:46:07.000 What do you say?

00:46:08.000 42. What do you say?

00:46:09.000 42. 42?

00:46:11.000 What do you say?

00:46:12.000 56. 65. Woo!

00:46:16.000 This bitch has 65 million.

00:46:18.000 What's Kim Kardashian?

00:46:19.000 I'm not even going to look.

00:46:20.000 How about that?

00:46:21.000 Fuck her.

00:46:24.000 Bullshit.

00:46:27.000 Kim K's at 28. Step your game up, Kim K. Come on.

00:46:32.000 Well, one of them has talent.

00:46:34.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:46:36.000 I mean, you can't be mad at Kim K, though.

00:46:38.000 Zero talent, just killing the game.

00:46:40.000 I mean, if I had kids, I don't know.

00:46:43.000 Killing the game?

00:46:43.000 What game is that?

00:46:44.000 The game of reality TV and having a blowout ass, son?

00:46:48.000 Who's this?

00:46:48.000 That ass looks like she's wearing a diaper.

00:46:50.000 Oh, you have respect for her?

00:46:52.000 Respect?

00:46:52.000 She's got a diaper on.

00:46:53.000 I respect for her mom and the family.

00:46:56.000 Oh, nice left hook there, man.

00:46:58.000 Take some heat for this.

00:46:59.000 Is that real?

00:47:00.000 Is Bruce Jenner really turning into a chick?

00:47:02.000 Yep, 100%.

00:47:02.000 That's 100%.

00:47:03.000 And Joe, how is it?

00:47:05.000 I keep thinking it's fake, right?

00:47:07.000 When you look at that, right?

00:47:07.000 It looks like it.

00:47:08.000 It's like, this is tabloid shit.

00:47:10.000 This can't be real.

00:47:12.000 You know what, though?

00:47:14.000 I saw one of those daughters.

00:47:16.000 This was like a year ago.

00:47:17.000 That's because we always do that.

00:47:18.000 One of those daughters' Instagrams.

00:47:19.000 Hey, we're talking over each other again.

00:47:20.000 I know we're not listening to the headsets.

00:47:23.000 One of those daughters' Instagrams, they have a picture.

00:47:26.000 I love my dad so much and he looks like her mom.

00:47:30.000 It is real.

00:47:31.000 It's totally real.

00:47:32.000 So Bruce Jenner got in a car wreck, and he had to notify the police that he's taking hormones to become a female.

00:47:38.000 And he's doing a thing on him, following around his transition from male to female.

00:47:43.000 Wow, he had to tell the police that he's taking hormones?

00:47:45.000 He had to tell the police because they were like, what's in your system?

00:47:47.000 Oh my God.

00:47:47.000 He's like, oh, I'm trying to get a set of tits.

00:47:49.000 Oh my God.

00:47:50.000 I wonder if he said it that way.

00:47:52.000 Yo, I'm trying to get a set of tits.

00:47:53.000 I might have made that up.

00:47:55.000 My bad.

00:47:56.000 Trying to get a set of tits over here.

00:47:59.000 So what's going on?

00:48:00.000 I'm feeling a little emotional.

00:48:02.000 You know how it is.

00:48:03.000 Trying to get a set of tits over this bitch.

00:48:05.000 But he claims he's not gay.

00:48:07.000 How crazy is that?

00:48:08.000 No, he likes women.

00:48:09.000 He's a lesbian.

00:48:10.000 Oh.

00:48:12.000 I have a whole bit about it in my act.

00:48:15.000 I can't do it right here though.

00:48:16.000 Oh shit.

00:48:17.000 Look, they're standing in front of each other.

00:48:18.000 Kevin Lee's talking shit.

00:48:19.000 Pizarro's getting tired.

00:48:22.000 Oh, he's tired as shit.

00:48:23.000 These boys are swinging.

00:48:24.000 Well, Perceros, he uses so much physical energy.

00:48:27.000 You gotta remember it's in Denver, too.

00:48:28.000 His style.

00:48:28.000 The altitude.

00:48:29.000 It's a beast.

00:48:30.000 Remember when Elton John didn't fully come out?

00:48:33.000 He came out halfway.

00:48:34.000 First, he said he was bi.

00:48:35.000 Oh, shit.

00:48:36.000 Hard elbows by Kevin Lee.

00:48:37.000 I think Bruce Jenner was like too much at once.

00:48:40.000 I want to be a woman and I'm gay.

00:48:42.000 I think he's going to tell people he's gay in 10 years.

00:48:44.000 I think Bruce Jenner just...

00:48:46.000 He wants to be a woman.

00:48:47.000 Kim K and the rest of the family is like, dude, this is ridiculous.

00:48:49.000 I bet he starts dating guys.

00:48:50.000 You're going to start to see him after a while.

00:48:52.000 He's going to get busted with a guy.

00:48:54.000 And then it's going to...

00:48:55.000 Busted with a guy.

00:48:57.000 I defended that dude too, man.

00:49:00.000 Boy, was I off.

00:49:01.000 I bet it was a conspiracy theory at first, right?

00:49:04.000 Well, it's only because- No way!

00:49:05.000 He goes, yes, he's gonna- Callan came up with it.

00:49:07.000 Callan broke the news!

00:49:07.000 Brian Callan broke the news a year and a half ago.

00:49:10.000 How did he know?

00:49:10.000 He had a friend who was painting the house.

00:49:13.000 Callan's gonna kill me for telling the story.

00:49:14.000 He had a friend for painting the house.

00:49:15.000 But don't tell the story then.

00:49:16.000 Nah!

00:49:17.000 Nah, that's how we work.

00:49:18.000 We'll get over it.

00:49:21.000 Nah.

00:49:22.000 He had a friend who was painting their house.

00:49:24.000 Don't say what he did.

00:49:25.000 Just say working there.

00:49:27.000 Working there.

00:49:27.000 That guy's never painting another house.

00:49:29.000 Yeah, man.

00:49:30.000 He used to have a good account.

00:49:31.000 Fuck, dude.

00:49:31.000 He could go up to the Kardashian.

00:49:32.000 Just think about what you're doing right now and don't do it.

00:49:34.000 Dude, the dude's going to be fun.

00:49:35.000 You fucking threw the painter under the bus.

00:49:37.000 Painters signed, like, non-disclosure agreements to paint those kind of houses.

00:49:41.000 Well, my bad.

00:49:42.000 That guy could really get sued right now.

00:49:42.000 Like, for real.

00:49:44.000 That's true.

00:49:45.000 Just stop right now.

00:49:45.000 Well, but Kellen might be lying.

00:49:46.000 Don't say what he knows.

00:49:47.000 Either way, Callan had an inside source, also known as a snitch.

00:49:50.000 Don't!

00:49:51.000 It's too late.

00:49:51.000 Don't do it.

00:49:53.000 Go ahead.

00:49:53.000 It's too late.

00:49:54.000 It's too late.

00:49:55.000 It's too late.

00:49:56.000 You already said a lot.

00:49:57.000 The painter is freaking, he left town.

00:49:59.000 He's gone.

00:49:59.000 It's gone.

00:50:00.000 He doesn't have that gig anymore.

00:50:01.000 And then what happened?

00:50:02.000 So Brian Callan, how did he know?

00:50:04.000 I saw a wig, saw like full man-sized dresses, all sorts of stuff, with his name on it.

00:50:10.000 With his dress on it.

00:50:10.000 Man-sized dresses.

00:50:11.000 That sounds like the most unlikely story ever.

00:50:14.000 Bruce Cheddar on his dress.

00:50:15.000 No, no, bro, no.

00:50:17.000 Bruce Zena.

00:50:18.000 Calum went out for a drink with him is what happened.

00:50:20.000 He might.

00:50:21.000 What's his female?

00:50:22.000 Kevin Lee!

00:50:24.000 Kevin Lee, man.

00:50:24.000 Look at this.

00:50:26.000 This Pizaris dude's getting tired and Kevin Lee's not.

00:50:29.000 Kevin Lee's all over him, man.

00:50:33.000 He hit him with some fucking sick elbows to the head of the clinch, too.

00:50:37.000 He's alright, look at him.

00:50:39.000 He's just...

00:50:40.000 Do you think he'll take on a new name?

00:50:43.000 He's not hurt, but he's done.

00:50:44.000 His lungs are dying.

00:50:47.000 Do you think that Bruce Jenner will take on a new name?

00:50:49.000 Hell no.

00:50:50.000 Hey, could there be a more manly name than Bruce?

00:50:52.000 Oh, no kidding.

00:50:54.000 It's like the gay name.

00:50:56.000 It's like the gay name.

00:50:57.000 It is just gangster, Bruce.

00:50:59.000 Bruce Lee.

00:51:00.000 Bruce Lee is not gay.

00:51:03.000 Priestley's not gay.

00:51:05.000 No he's definitely not.

00:51:06.000 He's certainly not.

00:51:09.000 Certainly everyone got all serious.

00:51:10.000 Hell no.

00:51:12.000 Look at this.

00:51:13.000 He's going for that leg lock.

00:51:14.000 Hell no.

00:51:14.000 Shit no.

00:51:15.000 He's going for that leg lock with the legs crossed.

00:51:17.000 Oh shit.

00:51:18.000 Kevin Lee's trying to throw a real naked choke.

00:51:20.000 Look at this.

00:51:20.000 This is crazy.

00:51:21.000 Crushing that jaw right now.

00:51:23.000 He's got this dude's bat because Pizarro's got tired.

00:51:25.000 He's going to do it.

00:51:27.000 Oh.

00:51:28.000 Damn, man.

00:51:30.000 No way the Brazilian won, right?

00:51:31.000 Oh, is that guy Brazilian?

00:51:32.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 He just ended the fight on that note, man.

00:51:37.000 Dude, that guy is tired as fuck.

00:51:39.000 Yeah, he's tired as fuck.

00:51:46.000 Yeah, you would think that if he does transition to beat a woman, he's gonna want to change his name.

00:51:51.000 He's not gonna stick with Bruce.

00:51:53.000 I mean, what do you do, man?

00:51:54.000 Everyone knows you're fucking Bruce.

00:51:56.000 You change your name.

00:51:57.000 Nah.

00:51:58.000 Yeah, man.

00:51:58.000 Girls do that all the time.

00:52:00.000 When they become a woman.

00:52:01.000 When they used to be a man, and they get a sex change.

00:52:05.000 I mean, I have no idea.

00:52:06.000 It must be kind of fun, picking a whole new name.

00:52:09.000 You know what's hilarious?

00:52:10.000 Once someone has transitioned, you're not even supposed to say they used to be a man.

00:52:15.000 You're supposed to say they were always a woman.

00:52:18.000 Because they were a woman in their mind, and it's cruel to say that they were one time a man.

00:52:22.000 Even if they're a man, it's wrong to state reality that they had a penis, they functioned as a man, even had sex with women, and had babies.

00:52:31.000 So you just have to pretend that never happened.

00:52:33.000 Dude, I had a conversation with this woman on Twitter, and she actually said that.

00:52:37.000 And I go, so he wasn't a man when he had sex with a woman and got her pregnant.

00:52:41.000 He wasn't a man.

00:52:42.000 She goes, no, not even then.

00:52:44.000 And I'm like...

00:52:45.000 Okay, I think we're done.

00:52:48.000 Well, this conversation's over.

00:52:50.000 This conversation just took a left turn to La La Land.

00:52:53.000 Like, what does that mean?

00:52:54.000 A woman fucked a woman and got her pregnant?

00:52:56.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:52:57.000 Well, it's just only a woman physically?

00:52:59.000 But in reality, he was a dude that fucked a woman.

00:53:02.000 She's just saying he felt like a woman, even though he's fucking a woman as a man.

00:53:05.000 You know what the problem with that kind of logic is?

00:53:08.000 If that's the case, if you're already a woman and you have a penis, keep your goddamn penis.

00:53:12.000 Keep your balls.

00:53:14.000 Your body will work better.

00:53:16.000 This idea that you're already a woman.

00:53:18.000 If you are already a woman, why are you getting the sex change then?

00:53:21.000 You're not already a woman.

00:53:22.000 You were a man at one point in time.

00:53:24.000 You're not helping anybody by twisting the reality of the situation.

00:53:29.000 You're just making it more confusing and harder for people to accept.

00:53:31.000 I wonder what's tougher to go from being a man to a woman or woman to man.

00:53:35.000 I would say that a dick is going to be challenging.

00:53:38.000 Yeah, a woman to man is like impossible.

00:53:40.000 Because they build dicks out of the inside of pussies.

00:53:43.000 What does that look like?

00:53:43.000 Can you pull that up, Jamie?

00:53:45.000 Can you pull that up, Jamie?

00:53:46.000 Can we get some...

00:53:47.000 They make dicks out of the inside of pussies.

00:53:49.000 Are you trying to get a virus out?

00:53:51.000 And they put something in there.

00:53:52.000 I don't want to see it.

00:53:53.000 I thought they used fake dicks.

00:53:54.000 I think they used fake thumbs.

00:53:59.000 Alright, my man.

00:54:00.000 Well, I know one of them.

00:54:01.000 Yeah, where's that opener?

00:54:02.000 Oh, thank you.

00:54:02.000 I know one of them.

00:54:04.000 I saw this lady grew a dick on her arm.

00:54:09.000 I'm not mad at that at all.

00:54:10.000 Like those rabbits with the ears?

00:54:12.000 They stretched the skin out on her arm and created a fake penis.

00:54:18.000 So when she was transitioning and becoming a man...

00:54:21.000 I take a drink of his beer, right?

00:54:23.000 And he's looking at you talking, but I was like waiting for him to look at me at my reaction after I took it.

00:54:28.000 Because I know in his peripheral, he saw it and he looked at me and went...

00:54:32.000 Well, what the fuck?

00:54:35.000 It's pretty good.

00:54:37.000 Eddie's not a beer guy, though.

00:54:39.000 It all tastes the same.

00:54:40.000 Yeah, I'm more of a beer guy.

00:54:41.000 Is that right?

00:54:41.000 I couldn't tell the difference between Miller Lite and Coors Lite or anything like that.

00:54:45.000 Does Kevin Lee get it?

00:54:47.000 Damn, his corner man had some locks and a pierced lip.

00:54:54.000 Whoa!

00:54:55.000 Look at Rick James!

00:54:58.000 He's in a lot better shape than last time I saw him.

00:55:01.000 Kevin Lee up in this bitch.

00:55:02.000 He got leather pants on, Rick James does.

00:55:05.000 They might be leather.

00:55:06.000 Holy mother...

00:55:07.000 Dude, look at his belt buckle.

00:55:08.000 God bless him.

00:55:09.000 Damn, he's stealing the show.

00:55:10.000 That's Milly Vanilli.

00:55:11.000 He's stealing the show.

00:55:12.000 I don't know which one it is, Milly or Vanilli.

00:55:16.000 Oh, he's in Denver boy.

00:55:18.000 That's why he's got such wicked cardio, man.

00:55:20.000 He's used to that altitude up there.

00:55:22.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 If you're not used to altitude, that shit tortures you.

00:55:29.000 You ever seen Mark Hunt versus Ben Rothwell at altitude?

00:55:32.000 Yeah, ridiculous.

00:55:33.000 I asked Joe Silva to fight in Denver.

00:55:34.000 He's like, we're never having another heavyweight fight in Denver.

00:55:37.000 But they did, though.

00:55:38.000 They had even crazier.

00:55:39.000 They had a heavyweight fight in Mexico City, which is pollution and higher altitude.

00:55:44.000 And Mark Hunt again.

00:55:45.000 And Mark Hunt came in like the day before.

00:55:47.000 He didn't even have any altitude training.

00:55:50.000 He came in with his sandals.

00:55:52.000 And nobody in his court.

00:55:54.000 He's like, I'm here.

00:55:56.000 Yeah, people were worried that he wasn't going to be able to make the 265. Said he was like 3'10 when he got the collar or some shit.

00:56:02.000 3'10, 5'10.

00:56:04.000 Is he even 5'10?

00:56:06.000 He's probably 5'9.

00:56:07.000 Cutting weight to make 265. Kevin Lee's good, man.

00:56:16.000 You put that dude's voice with his body and they just don't...

00:56:20.000 There's no collusion there at all.

00:56:22.000 You're like, how does Mark Hunt sound like an English gentleman?

00:56:25.000 Yeah, right?

00:56:26.000 They threw the dick on his forearm?

00:56:28.000 Hey, there's that dick shot that you wanted, Eddie.

00:56:30.000 You wanted those dick pics?

00:56:31.000 Can you put it up on the screen?

00:56:33.000 What was that?

00:56:35.000 An artificial dick?

00:56:37.000 Like a transgender dick?

00:56:40.000 Because they grew it on his forearm, right?

00:56:42.000 That dick you put on it.

00:56:43.000 Why do they put it on the arm?

00:56:44.000 They put it back on his arm, too, to get the blood supply.

00:56:47.000 Keep that shit fresh.

00:56:48.000 To keep it healthy.

00:56:49.000 Why don't they just put it back where the dick is?

00:56:51.000 I got a lot of blood flow down there.

00:56:53.000 Gotta wait.

00:56:54.000 Gotta wait.

00:56:55.000 Can you find a transgender dick?

00:56:58.000 No, don't do it.

00:56:59.000 Don't do it.

00:57:02.000 There's probably guys out there that, like, that's how they get off.

00:57:05.000 We're going to eat steak after this, man.

00:57:07.000 We can't do this.

00:57:11.000 Daniel Kelly versus Patrick Walsh.

00:57:14.000 Middleweights next.

00:57:15.000 There's so many fighters in the UFC that I've never seen fight now.

00:57:18.000 Did Jeffrey Dahmer eat his victim's cocks?

00:57:22.000 Lots of parts of them, I think.

00:57:23.000 I think he ate one.

00:57:23.000 I think he ate one dick.

00:57:25.000 He ought to eat a lot.

00:57:26.000 That must have been the main course.

00:57:27.000 Their dick.

00:57:28.000 He's going to bone them.

00:57:29.000 He's going to chop them up and eat them.

00:57:31.000 Why ignore the dick now?

00:57:33.000 It's too fatty.

00:57:33.000 That must be the main course.

00:57:35.000 Hey, look at this.

00:57:36.000 For health reasons.

00:57:37.000 Turn this up, Jamie.

00:57:38.000 I want to hear what he's saying.

00:57:39.000 Oh my gosh.

00:57:42.000 What's he doing with fire?

00:57:44.000 He does these, like, nunchucks fire thing.

00:57:46.000 What do you mean?

00:57:47.000 He does a nunchucks fire thing?

00:57:48.000 He puts it on fire and does a whole show with it.

00:57:50.000 When?

00:57:52.000 Just on his own when the fuck he wants.

00:57:54.000 No, not like when he goes to the octagon.

00:57:56.000 No, he used to, though.

00:57:58.000 He used to be a huge raver.

00:57:59.000 And so he's fought in this arena probably ten times.

00:58:02.000 This is where all our fights were in Denver before we were in the UFC. And he would come out with those flame things walking out to the cage.

00:58:09.000 No way.

00:58:09.000 And then just destroy some poor kid.

00:58:12.000 They let him come out like that?

00:58:13.000 Yeah, Doug.

00:58:14.000 That seems like you could slip and light people on fire.

00:58:18.000 That shit was dope.

00:58:20.000 It was like a Vegas show.

00:58:22.000 He'd walk to the octagon, beat the shit out of someone.

00:58:25.000 Was he really that good at it?

00:58:26.000 Yeah, he's dope at it.

00:58:28.000 Like circus performer type.

00:58:30.000 Yeah, he's really good at it.

00:58:31.000 So, Thatch was always the kid in the gym where we're like, damn, if this kid ever got his shit together, he's going to be a monster.

00:58:36.000 But he was always at raves, and he didn't believe in jiu-jitsu and wrestling, and he just kept knocking dudes out.

00:58:43.000 And then finally, he got with Lister Bowling, the head wrestling coach there, and all he's been doing is wrestling.

00:58:49.000 And he's a fucking nightmare now.

00:58:51.000 Nightmare, man.

00:58:52.000 Wow.

00:58:53.000 Here's a funny story about Thatch.

00:58:55.000 We used to, I got Brandon Thatch, Cody Donovan, who finally you see, and myself, we all worked night security at a after-hours nightclub.

00:59:05.000 So it was the three of us were security guards, and we used to dress up like assholes.

00:59:09.000 We had like, it was basically like shitty tuxedos.

00:59:12.000 But it was the three of us, nothing ever happened.

00:59:14.000 Then the one time something happened, the boss came up to us and was like, yo man, there's this Russian dude on the dance floor, he has a gun.

00:59:21.000 Big ass gun, he's dancing with these chicks, man, you guys gotta go handle this.

00:59:25.000 So I was like the head guy where I had like an air piece in like an asshole.

00:59:28.000 So I got Brandon Thatch and Cody Donovan.

00:59:31.000 I'm like, yo man, listen, here's the deal.

00:59:33.000 Finally, we got some action.

00:59:35.000 I was like, there's this Russian dude.

00:59:36.000 You see that big ass Russian dude down there?

00:59:37.000 I'm like, they want us to kick this dude out and he has a gun.

00:59:41.000 And I'm like, Thatch is like, what the fuck?

00:59:43.000 He's like, bro, we don't get paid shit.

00:59:44.000 I'm like, I know, I realize that.

00:59:46.000 So listen, here's the plan.

00:59:48.000 I said, here's the plan.

00:59:49.000 I said, I'm going to walk up to this dude.

00:59:52.000 I'm going to be like, yo man, you got to get out of here.

00:59:54.000 Cody at the time was big as fuck and he's a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

00:59:54.000 I was like, Cody.

00:59:57.000 I'm like, you're going to grab him.

00:59:58.000 This is if he puts up any fucking kind of fight.

01:00:01.000 I'm like, Cody, you're going to grab him.

01:00:02.000 Thatch, who's just a nasty ass kickboxer.

01:00:05.000 I'm like, you're going to kick him in the head.

01:00:06.000 I'm going to take him out, man.

01:00:07.000 You know, we didn't know the rules.

01:00:09.000 We didn't know nothing.

01:00:10.000 We're nervous as fuck.

01:00:11.000 Everyone's so nervous.

01:00:12.000 I'm sweating.

01:00:13.000 I'm like, fuck this job.

01:00:14.000 This is my last day, man.

01:00:15.000 So I'm like, alright.

01:00:16.000 We even said a prayer.

01:00:17.000 No one's really religious, but we all did kind of said a prayer.

01:00:20.000 Oh my god.

01:00:21.000 I go up to the dude.

01:00:22.000 I know, right?

01:00:23.000 You should have left that part out.

01:00:24.000 I know, right?

01:00:25.000 No, no, no, no.

01:00:26.000 That makes it way better.

01:00:26.000 Leave it in.

01:00:28.000 Sweating.

01:00:29.000 I go up to the dude, so nervous.

01:00:31.000 I'm all...

01:00:32.000 Hey, my man.

01:00:34.000 Hey, my man.

01:00:34.000 I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

01:00:35.000 We see the gun on you, and Cody's behind, like, knuckle, like, grip.

01:00:40.000 And the guy goes, what?

01:00:42.000 I go, bro, you're going to have to leave, man.

01:00:43.000 We saw the gun, and, you know, we don't want any issues.

01:00:46.000 He goes, no problem.

01:00:49.000 Okay, cool, man.

01:00:50.000 Everyone's ready to go.

01:00:51.000 He's like, no problem.

01:00:52.000 Just walks out.

01:00:53.000 That's it.

01:00:53.000 I wish I had a cooler story for you.

01:00:55.000 But he was like, cool.

01:00:56.000 And just bounced.

01:00:57.000 We probably worked another week there.

01:00:59.000 That would have been even more terrifying because that sounds like a real goddamn professional.

01:01:03.000 He did not give a fuck.

01:01:05.000 Yeah, I mean, he's probably a dude who's been shooting people since the 8th grade.

01:01:09.000 And he's like, oh yeah, I know I gotta leave now.

01:01:11.000 I don't want to go to jail again.

01:01:12.000 Big dude.

01:01:13.000 I got a job later tonight, actually.

01:01:15.000 I'm gonna need this gun, so I'm just gonna go.

01:01:17.000 Fuck, man.

01:01:18.000 We actually quit, because I talked all the guys into working there.

01:01:18.000 That's crazy.

01:01:21.000 But we would get out at like 4 or 5 in the morning.

01:01:23.000 So we thought we could work at night, train during the day.

01:01:26.000 But we wouldn't get home at like 5 a.m.

01:01:29.000 We'd practice and be at like 10 a.m.

01:01:31.000 We'd go there and just get dismantled.

01:01:33.000 Yeah, you're exhausted.

01:01:34.000 Yeah.

01:01:34.000 And that was the glory days when we had Rashad Evans, Nate Markart, Shane Carwin, Keith Jardine, all those monsters.

01:01:42.000 George St. Pierre.

01:01:42.000 All of them.

01:01:43.000 Everyone was at our camp.

01:01:45.000 You can't have five hours sleep and show up for that shit.

01:01:46.000 Now what?

01:01:47.000 Five hours doing some shady drugs and shit?

01:01:49.000 Not good, man.

01:01:52.000 Fighting Russians.

01:01:53.000 Making four dollars an hour.

01:01:54.000 Russian dudes with guns.

01:01:56.000 Daniel Kelly looks Irish to me.

01:02:00.000 Where is he from?

01:02:05.000 Texas?

01:02:05.000 Texas.

01:02:06.000 Can you do the Joey voice with an iris accent?

01:02:10.000 Is that possible?

01:02:11.000 I'd have to work on that.

01:02:12.000 I wouldn't want to disrespect the art.

01:02:14.000 Yeah, that's a tough one.

01:02:19.000 I didn't realize how funny Joey Diaz is, man.

01:02:21.000 You've always told me.

01:02:22.000 We had him on our show.

01:02:23.000 Oh, dude.

01:02:24.000 Fucking beast.

01:02:25.000 There's nobody like him.

01:02:26.000 No one, right?

01:02:29.000 How old is he?

01:02:30.000 Joey?

01:02:31.000 What are you talking about?

01:02:32.000 The fights?

01:02:33.000 I have no idea.

01:02:35.000 Four-time Olympian.

01:02:41.000 In what, wrestling?

01:02:42.000 No, judo.

01:02:46.000 This guy?

01:02:47.000 No, this guy.

01:02:49.000 Daniel Kelly.

01:02:50.000 Judo Olympian?

01:02:51.000 Four-time judo Olympian.

01:02:52.000 Four-time judo Olympian.

01:02:58.000 Nobody can hear you.

01:02:59.000 There's not a microphone on you, so when you're talking, it becomes an issue.

01:03:03.000 It's alright.

01:03:03.000 I mean, you gotta step up to it.

01:03:05.000 You gotta be able to do this.

01:03:06.000 Four-time Olympian.

01:03:09.000 Damn, that girl's hot.

01:03:10.000 Super hot.

01:03:11.000 She's Australian, too.

01:03:13.000 She's that chick that was in The Wolf of Wall Street.

01:03:16.000 She's so bad.

01:03:17.000 Stupid hot.

01:03:18.000 It's frustrating hot.

01:03:18.000 Stupid.

01:03:19.000 Interracial shit's going down!

01:03:22.000 Her and Will Smith.

01:03:24.000 Kapow, America.

01:03:26.000 The blackening has begun.

01:03:32.000 This is a Catwoman?

01:03:35.000 Yeah.

01:03:36.000 You got the Joker in this, I might watch it.

01:03:38.000 Is this a new, is this a TV show?

01:03:40.000 What is this?

01:03:41.000 Gotham, son.

01:03:42.000 Gotham's most sinister.

01:03:43.000 I don't know.

01:03:44.000 I don't know about it.

01:03:46.000 Well, as long as you don't know about it.

01:03:50.000 I've not been seeing commercials for it.

01:03:52.000 Is this like a prequel?

01:03:54.000 Or a prequel?

01:03:56.000 I'll give any Batman thing a shot.

01:04:00.000 Bigfoot versus mirror.

01:04:01.000 Barboza versus Johnson is the fight on that fucking card.

01:04:04.000 That's a wicked fight, man.

01:04:05.000 That's a great fight.

01:04:07.000 Michael Johnson's been out for a bit, right?

01:04:08.000 Did he get injured?

01:04:09.000 Yeah, he got injured, right?

01:04:11.000 He got injured and he lost his last one, correct?

01:04:13.000 I don't know.

01:04:14.000 Pretty sure, and he got injured.

01:04:16.000 Yeah, I know he was on a roll.

01:04:17.000 Yeah, and then he lost one.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, I think he might have lost one.

01:04:19.000 And Rashad got hurt again.

01:04:21.000 You see that?

01:04:22.000 His knee didn't take to the ACL. They said it didn't accept the ACL or something like that.

01:04:27.000 I don't know why that happens.

01:04:29.000 I would like to talk to a surgeon about what is the issue with ACLs.

01:04:33.000 With a lot of UFC fighters in particular, the grafts blow or they don't work.

01:04:38.000 Well, a lot of times they use some parts from a cadaver, right?

01:04:43.000 Yeah, well that's the ones that don't accept sometimes.

01:04:45.000 Yeah, sometimes the body rejects it.

01:04:46.000 I don't think they know.

01:04:47.000 I think it depends on the body, correct?

01:04:49.000 So just like some people it works on, some people it doesn't.

01:04:51.000 Just like Dominic Cruz, right?

01:04:51.000 Some people it takes, some it doesn't.

01:04:54.000 But there's also people that don't give it enough time and they're already training and they blow it out again.

01:05:01.000 That does happen.

01:05:02.000 For sure.

01:05:03.000 I think Ed Herman did that.

01:05:05.000 I think other guys have done that too.

01:05:07.000 You know, you don't know.

01:05:08.000 Like when they say your body rejected it, are you sure?

01:05:11.000 I mean, I don't know exactly what's going on.

01:05:13.000 Because what happens when you do a cadaver, apparently, is that it's like a scaffolding.

01:05:19.000 And so it's not that cadaver graft that actually becomes your ACL. It's like that ACL allows your body to proliferate new tissue into it until it becomes solid again.

01:05:30.000 But you don't really take the tissue.

01:05:33.000 It doesn't stay forever.

01:05:35.000 The cadaver graft, apparently, as it's been explained to me, it just acts as a place for your own tissue to grow into it.

01:05:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:05:42.000 It's like a delivery system for your tissue to connect.

01:05:44.000 Yeah, sort of, like a little bridge.

01:05:45.000 And so the tendons will grow again?

01:05:47.000 Yeah.

01:05:48.000 Well, you sort of, you use, it grows in that graft.

01:05:52.000 Yeah.

01:05:53.000 How long ago did he have the surgery?

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:55.000 I don't know.

01:05:56.000 I mean, Dominic Cruz, I think he did it like nine months after the first surgery.

01:06:00.000 He blew it out.

01:06:01.000 And then now he blew it out.

01:06:03.000 When he blew it out, he got a surgery, was rehabbing, was training, blew it out again.

01:06:08.000 And then he had to go through a whole new surgery.

01:06:12.000 So, you know, that's why he was out for almost three years.

01:06:14.000 Then he just blew out his right knee.

01:06:16.000 Or his other knee.

01:06:18.000 It wasn't...

01:06:19.000 Push it up to your face.

01:06:20.000 Were they saying it wasn't properly, like...

01:06:23.000 No, the new one is a totally new injury.

01:06:26.000 Is he doing a triple like that?

01:06:28.000 Like the psychic injury that's there?

01:06:30.000 He's going to be nervous every shot he takes, every time he turns a court.

01:06:34.000 That can fuck a dude up.

01:06:36.000 Yeah, it could, but he bounced back better than ever.

01:06:40.000 And a three year layoff?

01:06:41.000 Yeah.

01:06:42.000 Is like, dudes are moving at light speed, you know what I mean?

01:06:45.000 The evolution of the sport is so fast.

01:06:47.000 He fucked Mitsugaki up though, man.

01:06:49.000 Destroyed him.

01:06:50.000 His style, his footwork, man.

01:06:52.000 You need those knees.

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:06:54.000 To be that quick and change those directions the way he does.

01:06:57.000 I'll tell you what though, the thing about Dora Cruz though, he's a beast as far as being an analyst.

01:07:02.000 On UFC tonight, he's a beast.

01:07:03.000 He has a gift, man.

01:07:04.000 He's really, really good at that.

01:07:06.000 He's got the glasses now too.

01:07:08.000 He's very studious.

01:07:11.000 Very studious.

01:07:14.000 Are they both from the show or just this guy?

01:07:17.000 They said both.

01:07:18.000 My boy Kelly is stone cold 37 just trying to do this.

01:07:23.000 One was 185 and one was 19. He said fuck it, let's do this.

01:07:29.000 You've got to be around a while to be a four time Olympian.

01:07:33.000 Yeah, you're not going to be a young chicken.

01:07:36.000 They said, what, he's 37?

01:07:38.000 Yeah, 37. 37 and 29. That's a beautiful beard, Tom Johnson.

01:07:44.000 Ooh, is she gonna do the heart again?

01:07:46.000 Ooh, raise the roof!

01:07:48.000 She raised the roof and blew a kiss.

01:07:49.000 Oh, she did a different one.

01:07:50.000 She's switching it up.

01:07:50.000 Did she talk to other Octon girls?

01:07:52.000 She said, check this out.

01:07:53.000 I'm not like those refs that just stick with the same one when I switch it up.

01:07:56.000 She's gonna try it and she's gonna watch the tapes later and see which one was best.

01:08:00.000 I think she's going to get clowned for Raise the Roof.

01:08:03.000 That's some old school shit.

01:08:05.000 Dana's going to talk to her.

01:08:07.000 Bring that beat back.

01:08:08.000 Bring that beat back.

01:08:10.000 Dana's going to be like, step in my office.

01:08:11.000 You're fucking fired for Raise the Roof.

01:08:13.000 Craig Borsari is going to text her tonight.

01:08:14.000 Watch.

01:08:22.000 Look at him.

01:08:22.000 He's laughing at him.

01:08:24.000 Oh, he hit him with a right hand there, dude.

01:08:26.000 He hit him with a little short right hook there.

01:08:28.000 That right hand is low, son.

01:08:30.000 Well, he's catching him with that weird right hook over the top.

01:08:34.000 He's caught him like three times with that.

01:08:35.000 Look at that, dude.

01:08:37.000 I think my boy Kelly's trying to get a hold of him to take him to a cruise.

01:08:40.000 Yeah, but Kelly's eating some leather, man.

01:08:42.000 Yeah, he is.

01:08:42.000 He's getting fucked up.

01:08:43.000 This guy in the red doesn't give a fuck.

01:08:45.000 He's laughing at him, dude.

01:08:47.000 That's got to fuck with your head a little bit.

01:08:50.000 I feel like that dude in the red has knocked a lot of dudes in the bar out.

01:08:53.000 He's got a weird right hook, man.

01:08:57.000 He's very confident.

01:09:04.000 Oh, dude.

01:09:05.000 He's putting hammers on him.

01:09:06.000 He's fucking that dude up.

01:09:08.000 Kelly's real tentative with his shooting.

01:09:10.000 He's throwing the punches.

01:09:12.000 He's halfway getting there.

01:09:13.000 This guy's just target practicing.

01:09:14.000 He's keeping the same distance until he pops back a half a step and stays there.

01:09:17.000 Gets hit, pops back a half a step.

01:09:19.000 Bam.

01:09:19.000 Oh, right there.

01:09:20.000 Kelly's leaning on that front leg a lot.

01:09:20.000 Exactly.

01:09:22.000 Dude, Kelly's getting lit up.

01:09:23.000 Kelly might be what you call stiff.

01:09:26.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:09:27.000 Louises.

01:09:27.000 Is he stiff?

01:09:29.000 Looks like the game plan is to stand and bang, though, right?

01:09:31.000 You see the Melvin Manhoof fight last night?

01:09:34.000 Oh, my God.

01:09:35.000 Ximinko, right?

01:09:36.000 Ximinko or some shit like that?

01:09:37.000 That's spinning.

01:09:39.000 Nasty.

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:41.000 Oh, my God.

01:09:41.000 He forearmed him.

01:09:42.000 That was nasty.

01:09:43.000 Nobody's been knocked out more in the last two years than Melvin Manhoff.

01:09:46.000 I think he came back too soon, man.

01:09:46.000 It's insane.

01:09:47.000 He just got knocked out by Joe Schilling.

01:09:49.000 Joe Schilling put him to slizzy just a couple months ago.

01:09:53.000 You know, those two guys, they brought a beautiful fight, though, man.

01:09:58.000 It was one of them was going to go in that round.

01:10:02.000 But, yeah, he came back too soon.

01:10:04.000 And then guys aren't doing any kind of...

01:10:06.000 Healthcare for their brains to come back and increase their recovery time or their speed or their timing or anything.

01:10:14.000 Ben, didn't you fight for Bellator?

01:10:15.000 Oh, Walsh got wobbled.

01:10:16.000 You fought for Bellator, right?

01:10:16.000 Look at this.

01:10:18.000 Yeah.

01:10:18.000 I was with them for almost three years.

01:10:21.000 Did you see that?

01:10:22.000 Kelly caught Walsh.

01:10:23.000 What's the biggest difference between them and the UFC as far as production-wise?

01:10:27.000 Is it a big difference or no?

01:10:29.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:10:29.000 Production-wise?

01:10:30.000 Get on the mic.

01:10:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:10:33.000 In the UFC, it's like fucking clockwork.

01:10:36.000 Burt has it down to the sides.

01:10:38.000 You fly in on Tuesday, you're signing posters.

01:10:40.000 You got interviews Wednesday, Thursday, Wayne's Friday, show Saturday.

01:10:44.000 Bellators like that?

01:10:45.000 I think they were a little rocky on some of that because the tournaments were happening so fast that I don't even think they had planned out what they were going to do as far as where's the venue, where's the next location.

01:11:00.000 That's obviously a process.

01:11:03.000 I think sometimes it was like just making it, you know?

01:11:06.000 Just making it happen.

01:11:06.000 Yeah.

01:11:08.000 But they've stepped their game up, too, you know?

01:11:10.000 Scott Coker is doing it.

01:11:11.000 You came in there killing cats, man.

01:11:13.000 I was always watching when you fought.

01:11:14.000 No, thank you, man.

01:11:15.000 Thank you.

01:11:21.000 It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Bellator with all that Viacom money.

01:11:26.000 Coker's no joke either, man.

01:11:28.000 He obviously does something right.

01:11:29.000 And he's way better than anybody else out there.

01:11:32.000 I saw Lance Fedor at his signing.

01:11:34.000 Shit.

01:11:35.000 Is he the Dana White of Bellator?

01:11:38.000 He's the same position?

01:11:38.000 Yeah.

01:11:40.000 He used to work for the UFC, and they had a no-compete.

01:11:40.000 Yeah.

01:11:43.000 And then when he left the UFC, he's free to do whatever the fuck he wants, so then he signed with Bellator.

01:11:49.000 Yeah, well, it's good for everybody because the UFC likes him.

01:11:52.000 He's a good dude.

01:11:54.000 Fighters like him.

01:11:55.000 It'll make a way more comfortable environment over there, and maybe they'll get some good fights.

01:12:00.000 And I think it's good.

01:12:02.000 I think competition is very important for the athletes.

01:12:04.000 I think it's the most important thing when it comes to bargaining power.

01:12:07.000 So all it's going to do is force everybody to step their game up, and ultimately, I believe, it'll make MMA more popular.

01:12:14.000 And that's the key.

01:12:16.000 The key is making it more popular, making it to the point where, Everybody makes a lot of money, and it's really close to becoming that.

01:12:24.000 And the way it's going to become that is if there's a bunch of fucking players, and everybody's like, you know, I'll give you X for a fight.

01:12:30.000 Well, I'll give you Y. All right, we got Z. Come here.

01:12:33.000 We got Z. Sign up here.

01:12:34.000 Damn, you lucky bitch.

01:12:36.000 You know, like, that's how it's got to be.

01:12:37.000 That's the only way the money gets tossed around adequately.

01:12:41.000 You know, it's like you need competition.

01:12:43.000 It's the only way the talent pool gets bigger, too, is if you have a lot of different varieties.

01:12:46.000 Guys can come up here, they can come up there.

01:12:48.000 But if you only have this one place where a guy's got to come up on the tough show or whatever your thing is.

01:12:53.000 It's like having the NFL with one team.

01:12:56.000 You know, the teams compete with each other.

01:12:58.000 They're like saying, come to our team and we'll give you this much money.

01:13:03.000 In all ways of evolution, it's got to be like that.

01:13:06.000 Yeah, it is.

01:13:08.000 It's just how it is, man.

01:13:09.000 It's just how it is with everything, man.

01:13:11.000 You need competition.

01:13:12.000 It's good.

01:13:13.000 It makes everybody better.

01:13:14.000 That's the thing.

01:13:14.000 The problem with competition is people get scared of the competition when competition is the best goddamn thing that could happen to you.

01:13:19.000 Really, I mean, it's the fundamental thing.

01:13:21.000 It doesn't mean anybody's mad at you.

01:13:23.000 It means everybody's going to get better together.

01:13:23.000 It doesn't mean any of that.

01:13:25.000 Without that, you don't have any.

01:13:27.000 Not only that, you don't cancel each other out.

01:13:29.000 And didn't you get into this because you're a fan of fighting in the first place?

01:13:33.000 What, is someone making money somehow or another?

01:13:35.000 You're not making money?

01:13:36.000 Is that really what's going on?

01:13:37.000 Because I don't think it is.

01:13:38.000 We're talking about someone making money, and you're making money too.

01:13:40.000 From a fighter standpoint, competition's great.

01:13:43.000 If you're Dana White, I don't think...

01:13:45.000 It makes everybody more money.

01:13:46.000 I really believe so.

01:13:47.000 I believe everybody gets more money if the sport gets more popular.

01:13:52.000 I think if you've got two giant promotions, if you've got one, say, Floyd Mayweather promotion and one Manny Pacquiao promotion, and everybody on one side, you bring them together and you make fucking 1.5 million pay-per-view buys like those guys will probably do.

01:14:06.000 I mean, that's how everybody gets money.

01:14:07.000 I mean, you're giving up...

01:14:08.000 But think about that.

01:14:09.000 That's like each one is 750, right?

01:14:12.000 How often do pay-per-views in the UFC hit 750?

01:14:15.000 They don't that often.

01:14:16.000 If it's not George St. Pierre, if it's not Brock Lesnar, you know, it's hard to get those big numbers, you know, because times are hard.

01:14:22.000 People don't want to pony up that kind of money on a regular basis.

01:14:25.000 What are the three biggest pay-per-views?

01:14:26.000 We're watching this fight for free.

01:14:27.000 Yeah.

01:14:28.000 The UFC. The three biggest pay-per-views.

01:14:29.000 Bellator and UFC, that's it.

01:14:31.000 Everything else is like their feeder organizations.

01:14:34.000 You're saying which UFC biggest pay-per-views?

01:14:36.000 The top three UFCs ever.

01:14:37.000 Brock Lesnar was number one?

01:14:39.000 Number one?

01:14:40.000 Yes, Brock Lesnar was number one.

01:14:42.000 Brock Lesnar was number one.

01:14:43.000 We've never had a Brock Lesnar.

01:14:44.000 He fucking killed the game.

01:14:46.000 Really?

01:14:46.000 Not even close.

01:14:47.000 That's that WWE. Not even Anderson Silva or GSP could top of Brock?

01:14:50.000 GSP. GSP was close.

01:14:52.000 What show was it?

01:14:56.000 How about when he fought Randy Couture for the title?

01:14:59.000 That had to be giant.

01:15:00.000 That had to be the biggest one.

01:15:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:07.000 Brock's the biggest star we've ever had.

01:15:09.000 So isn't he coming back?

01:15:10.000 Is he?

01:15:10.000 What's going on?

01:15:11.000 There's all sorts of talk, but I don't know.

01:15:13.000 You know, there's all sorts of talk.

01:15:14.000 I've heard a lot of talk about Gina Carano.

01:15:18.000 We can't talk over each other.

01:15:19.000 People are listening.

01:15:20.000 There's no way this is going to work.

01:15:22.000 If we were listening on headphones, this would be way better, but I want to avoid the headphones.

01:15:26.000 We just got to be careful with that shit.

01:15:27.000 I think you guys are all doing great.

01:15:29.000 What were you saying about Gina Carano, though?

01:15:31.000 Oh, Gina Carano was supposed to come back?

01:15:33.000 I mean, that was the talk.

01:15:34.000 I kept hearing it.

01:15:35.000 I heard it from, like, agents.

01:15:37.000 I heard, like, there was negotiations.

01:15:38.000 I heard a lot of shit, and then nothing happened.

01:15:40.000 So you don't know.

01:15:42.000 I don't think the Brock Lesnar thing has gotten that far.

01:15:44.000 But all I'm hearing is rumors.

01:15:45.000 Everybody's tight-lipped.

01:15:47.000 But, you know, you're hearing people saying that Brock's been training.

01:15:50.000 That he's losing weight.

01:15:51.000 He's slimming down.

01:15:52.000 I took some heat.

01:15:53.000 I took some heat.

01:15:54.000 People thought I called Brock Lesnar out, and I didn't.

01:15:57.000 Not even close.

01:15:57.000 Yeah, what happened with that?

01:15:58.000 I sent you a text with that.

01:15:59.000 Yeah.

01:16:00.000 This is what happened.

01:16:02.000 This is old, too.

01:16:04.000 Six months ago, I did an interview with the UFC. It was 20 questions.

01:16:08.000 One was like, what do you prefer, ketchup or mustard?

01:16:13.000 This is what kind of bullshit we're talking about.

01:16:14.000 20 questions.

01:16:15.000 Ketchup or mustard?

01:16:16.000 I said, anyone who says mustard is part of ISIS. Like, every American is going to choose fucking ketchup.

01:16:21.000 You know, like, joking around.

01:16:23.000 Then question number 15 goes...

01:16:25.000 Who would you rather see come back, GSP or Brock Lesnar?

01:16:28.000 I said, oh, well, GSP's my boy.

01:16:30.000 I'd love if GSP came back.

01:16:31.000 But being a heavyweight, I'd love if Brock Lesnar came back because he's the biggest star we've ever had.

01:16:36.000 And they go, oh, would you like to fight him?

01:16:38.000 And I went, well, yeah, he's the biggest star ever.

01:16:40.000 That'd be great if he came back.

01:16:42.000 Yeah, I'd fight him.

01:16:43.000 That's it.

01:16:44.000 Six months later...

01:16:45.000 What about you saying about sending him go back to playing grab ass?

01:16:48.000 Well, that's just me making a joke.

01:16:50.000 I go, yeah, if he wants to come to UFC and he's tired of playing grab ass in the WWE, getting paid to fake fight, and he wants to come back to UFC, I'd love to fight him.

01:16:57.000 You gotta hear it, too, instead of seeing it written, right?

01:17:01.000 For sure, it looks horrible written.

01:17:02.000 Dude, that bullshit when they write it out, I'm like, that's my friend.

01:17:05.000 That's not what they meant, man.

01:17:07.000 That was six months ago.

01:17:08.000 Then UFC tonight, like, whatever, four or five weeks ago, goes, Brendan Schaub calls out Brock Lesnar.

01:17:13.000 First of all, he's retired.

01:17:15.000 I never called him out.

01:17:16.000 They just needed content.

01:17:17.000 So then the Brock Lesnar train is crazy, man.

01:17:21.000 His fans came after me like fucking crazy.

01:17:24.000 Hurt my feelings.

01:17:25.000 I had to put a statement out.

01:17:26.000 It's like, yo, man, come on, take it easy.

01:17:29.000 Fuck's sakes.

01:17:30.000 How many misspelled tweets did you get?

01:17:32.000 Oh, my God.

01:17:35.000 Dude, I'd never seen hate.

01:17:37.000 Like, when I was shitting on, like, Tony Hinchcliffe is a crazy pro wrestling fan.

01:17:41.000 And so when he was on the podcast, mostly just to rile him up, I was just shitting on pro wrestling.

01:17:47.000 Yeah.

01:17:47.000 Just dumping on him.

01:17:48.000 And the tsunami of poorly written tweets that came my way was like, what is this?

01:17:55.000 I had to, like, get my head above water and try to figure out what all these extra words are.

01:18:01.000 They're not kids either.

01:18:03.000 Letters that are in the wrong place.

01:18:05.000 I love the way Ari would deal with hate mail.

01:18:07.000 I just was with him one night and he's just going through it.

01:18:10.000 Every time the guy would send him something, he would just send him the corrections of the previous thing.

01:18:15.000 Like, you're getting way better.

01:18:17.000 Nice punctuation.

01:18:18.000 And it was just this whole fucking list of corrections of his...

01:18:22.000 In like a scripted email?

01:18:23.000 No, no.

01:18:24.000 Like the dude saying, you suck, spelled with two K's.

01:18:27.000 But in one though, on a lot, like Facebook?

01:18:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:30.000 Oh.

01:18:30.000 Bro, I had grown men coming at me.

01:18:32.000 Like, bro, you're 50 defending the WWE. I'll tell you what, Brock Lesnar's America.

01:18:38.000 Yeah.

01:18:38.000 You shit on Brock Lesnar, you shitting on America.

01:18:40.000 That's how it is, yeah.

01:18:41.000 He's the champion.

01:18:42.000 I like this dude.

01:18:43.000 When he would fight and all the wrestlers, they would all come out.

01:18:46.000 They would all come out and watch him.

01:18:47.000 There's a whole front line of them.

01:18:48.000 They're like, yeah, like Stone Cold and Goldberg and all those guys are there.

01:18:51.000 No, Brock's a monster, man.

01:18:53.000 He's a beast.

01:18:53.000 He's great for the sport.

01:18:54.000 He'd be great if he came back.

01:18:55.000 Well, I really still to this day...

01:18:57.000 Oh, nice left hand by Kelly.

01:19:00.000 I still to this day think that if Brock Lesnar did it the right way, like if Brock Lesnar went and instead of doing WWE for all those years and not striking and then...

01:19:12.000 Going into the UFC and immediately fighting the best guys in the world after one professional fight.

01:19:17.000 They took Brock Lesnar and brought him to an American top team.

01:19:21.000 Like one of those professional camps.

01:19:23.000 Or Black Zillions or AKA. Something like that.

01:19:27.000 Where they're going to take you and they're going to take you through every step of the way.

01:19:30.000 Like Matt Hume would have been the guy.

01:19:32.000 Eric Paulson essentially did what he could when he had him.

01:19:36.000 But I think a guy like Brock Lesnar should have been brought along slowly.

01:19:40.000 He's got the potential.

01:19:41.000 He had people fly in.

01:20:11.000 If you already spar a lot, then great.

01:20:14.000 You know you're tough already.

01:20:15.000 There's no need to do that twice a week.

01:20:18.000 Go ahead and hit mitts.

01:20:19.000 Get a good trainer.

01:20:20.000 Hit mitts all the time.

01:20:21.000 Your fucking timing will be there.

01:20:23.000 Put that shit together.

01:20:24.000 We already know you're not afraid to get hit.

01:20:25.000 Awesome.

01:20:26.000 That's the best way to do it, I think.

01:20:28.000 Well, I think that guys who are going to take you like Dwayne Ludwig style through drills that simulate each individual position that you're going to be in.

01:20:36.000 This is your response to that position.

01:20:38.000 This is how you get back.

01:20:39.000 This is your setup again.

01:20:42.000 Rob Kamen was really good about that.

01:20:44.000 And Brandon Vera, when he first started training with Rob Kamen, you saw Rob Kamen's system in Brandon when he was fighting.

01:20:50.000 Yep.

01:20:51.000 Him, Dwayne, I think Six Gun Gibson, and Mike Winklejohn.

01:20:56.000 Brandon Gibson, man, he's phenomenal.

01:20:58.000 You see the video he did with the elbows with Kyle?

01:21:03.000 He's so innovative, and he's so thoughtful about it.

01:21:06.000 All he's got is love and care for those guys, and then he puts that into them, and he puts the routines together.

01:21:12.000 Man, they're fucking fantastic.

01:21:14.000 Yeah, there's a lot of good trainers out there, man.

01:21:16.000 There's a lot of guys out there that are showing guys some real high-level stuff, and you're seeing striking combinations, especially if you look at TJ Dillashaw versus Hennon Burrell.

01:21:27.000 When was the fucking last time we ever saw a guy go from being T.J. Dillashaw in The Ultimate Fighter to, what, two and a half, three years later, being this super fluid, bad motherfucker kickboxer?

01:21:38.000 I mean, you look at him moving around, shuffling, switching stances, like, popping him with straight lefts from the fucking southpaw stance, and then hitting him with an inside leg kick, and you're like, whoa, this is literally not the same dude that he was three years ago.

01:21:53.000 You're going to see more and more of that.

01:21:55.000 How about your boy Duke Rufus with CM Punk?

01:21:57.000 First of all, Duke Rufus did a great job with Tyron Woodley.

01:22:00.000 Woodley settled down.

01:22:02.000 He didn't empty his gas tank in his last fight.

01:22:06.000 With Calvin?

01:22:07.000 With Calvin Gastelum.

01:22:08.000 Yeah, you like that one?

01:22:09.000 It was a good fight.

01:22:10.000 I mean, it wasn't the worst fight in the world.

01:22:12.000 It was a good fight.

01:22:13.000 Woodley broke his foot in the first round.

01:22:14.000 You know that?

01:22:15.000 He broke his fucking foot in the first round.

01:22:15.000 That's true.

01:22:17.000 You never knew it.

01:22:18.000 He just moved around like nothing.

01:22:20.000 But what I liked about it is he showed patience in that fight.

01:22:25.000 Like, you've seen him in fights before where he explodes and he empties the gas tank in the first round, and then he has a hard time in the second and third.

01:22:32.000 Like, he was way more patient.

01:22:34.000 Like, you could almost see Duke, you know, in Duke's style influencing him slightly.

01:22:39.000 How do you think CM Punk's gonna do?

01:22:42.000 I don't think we have any idea.

01:22:44.000 I don't think we have any idea.

01:22:45.000 If I watch the guy do anything other than throw some kicks, which is all I've ever seen, I saw him throw some kicks and I'm hoping with every fiber of my being that he was just playing around and that he actually kicks better than that because there's some backstage WWE thing where he's throwing roundhouse kicks on a wrestling mat.

01:23:05.000 And I don't understand it.

01:23:07.000 I mean, it's either he was playing around or he just started doing karate like a week ago.

01:23:13.000 Or you don't understand it and he's going to mystify people.

01:23:16.000 Well, or he's just fucking around because he's a showman and that's, you know, when he's doing those things backstage, he's not trying to show everybody he's the ultimate badass.

01:23:25.000 He's being an entertainer.

01:23:26.000 Is there any word on who he's going to fight?

01:23:28.000 No word.

01:23:29.000 Nor is there word on a timetable, like when he's going to fight.

01:23:32.000 You know what?

01:23:33.000 They did have an opponent for him.

01:23:35.000 The guy who fought Mickey Rourke last...

01:23:37.000 Eddie Bravo gives it away in his face.

01:23:42.000 As soon as he said the guy who fought, I know him so well, I could see the laugh being suppressed.

01:23:48.000 You think it's good for the sport, Joe?

01:23:50.000 CM Punk?

01:23:52.000 I think it's good for the sport.

01:23:52.000 No.

01:23:54.000 This is what I think.

01:23:55.000 I don't think it's good for the sport just if he goes in there and, you know, he fights and people watch because he's famous.

01:24:02.000 I think people will pay attention.

01:24:03.000 But it's not necessarily good for the sport if they're just paying attention because he's CM Punk.

01:24:08.000 However, I think it is good for the sport if he truly has a real desire to become a professional mixed martial arts fighter.

01:24:17.000 This isn't just a money-making scam.

01:24:18.000 This isn't just a publicity scam.

01:24:20.000 This isn't just a one-time thing.

01:24:22.000 This is a guy who at X age, 36 or whatever it is, has decided, you know what?

01:24:27.000 I want a new chapter in my life, and that new chapter is I want to try my hand 100% committed to professional fighting.

01:24:34.000 I think that's what he's doing.

01:24:35.000 Then it's good, but it's only good if he's got talent.

01:24:38.000 He's got no time frame to get that skill set.

01:24:41.000 Yeah, we don't know.

01:24:42.000 We literally don't know.

01:24:43.000 No wrestling background, no striking background.

01:24:46.000 No competition background.

01:24:46.000 He doesn't even know if he likes to compete.

01:24:49.000 There's no way he's got enough time.

01:24:51.000 He does jiu-jitsu, but we might as well sign fucking George Clooney if he likes to.

01:24:54.000 Has he been to the Pan Ams?

01:24:56.000 Does he even know if he likes to go through a key of eight guys that he's going to have to compete?

01:24:58.000 No, no.

01:24:59.000 When I say he does Jiu-Jitsu, he was doing Jiu-Jitsu on the road because Henner is married to Eve Torres, who's the WWE Diva Champion.

01:25:06.000 So he was on the road with Eve all the time.

01:25:08.000 So CM Punk and Henner would work, you know, once a month together.

01:25:13.000 So you're doing pretend Jiu-Jitsu.

01:25:17.000 That is crazy.

01:25:19.000 Did you say once a month?

01:25:20.000 Maybe once a month, maybe twice.

01:25:22.000 That might be too much.

01:25:23.000 In a bunch on the fucking floor.

01:25:24.000 Depends what you're on.

01:25:25.000 Here's an armbar.

01:25:27.000 And check this choke out.

01:25:28.000 It's like, fuck up.

01:25:29.000 You know when you show a girl something you're dating, you show her a triangle just so she can get her next boyfriend in a triangle.

01:25:36.000 True.

01:25:36.000 And you just like piss on her, you know what I mean?

01:25:37.000 And then they think they know jiu-jitsu.

01:25:40.000 It is Valentine's Day.

01:25:42.000 Eddie, bro, it's Valentine's Day.

01:25:43.000 I know jiu-jitsu.

01:25:45.000 You know what a triangle is, bitch?

01:25:46.000 You don't know what...

01:25:47.000 And then...

01:25:47.000 You don't know.

01:25:48.000 My ex-boyfriend taught me jiu-jitsu.

01:25:51.000 Yeah, I'm going to put you in a fucking triangle.

01:25:53.000 I remember I showed an ex-girlfriend a long time ago, a triangle.

01:25:57.000 And she was so obsessed with it.

01:25:59.000 We're just lying in bed.

01:25:59.000 I'm trying to watch Howard Stern on E! And she's trying to put me in a triangle.

01:26:03.000 And I'm like, fucking God, can you stop?

01:26:05.000 Can you stop?

01:26:06.000 And she's like, ah!

01:26:07.000 She's laughing.

01:26:07.000 I'm like, I'm really trying to watch this fucking show.

01:26:09.000 And she's like, ah!

01:26:10.000 She's just trying to get me in a fucking triangle.

01:26:12.000 And she puts me in a triangle.

01:26:13.000 I go, you're going to start crying.

01:26:15.000 You are definitely going to start crying.

01:26:17.000 She goes, ah!

01:26:18.000 She's giggling.

01:26:18.000 So I fucking, you know, I defend.

01:26:23.000 So she puts me in a triangle, and I said, you are gonna start crying!

01:26:29.000 So I picked her up, I stood up, just like Arona Rampage, and I picked her up, and I was gonna slam her on the bed.

01:26:35.000 It wasn't gonna hurt her, it's the fucking bed.

01:26:37.000 So I slammed her on the bed, but on the bed!

01:26:41.000 On the bed!

01:26:42.000 On the bed.

01:26:43.000 So I picked her up, slammed her on the bed.

01:26:45.000 You might want to stop this right now.

01:26:47.000 She let go of the triangle, but she bounced off the bed and landed on the floor.

01:26:54.000 And she, like, tweaked her wrist and she starts crying.

01:26:56.000 She's like, oh, you broke my wrist.

01:26:57.000 She runs to the bathroom.

01:26:59.000 And I'm like, oh my god.

01:27:00.000 So I, like, strolled and I said, I told you you were going to start crying.

01:27:03.000 And she has hot water running under her wrist.

01:27:06.000 And you didn't have to rampage at all, bro.

01:27:08.000 Jesus Christ, dude.

01:27:10.000 Let's go to the emergency room right now.

01:27:12.000 She goes, I go, come on, it's probably broken.

01:27:15.000 She goes, no, it's not broken.

01:27:16.000 It's not broken.

01:27:17.000 So I'm like, okay.

01:27:18.000 I said, I'm just trying to watch the fuck up because I'm watching Howard Stern trying to learn.

01:27:21.000 Okay, let's go cut it off.

01:27:24.000 Let's get it removed.

01:27:25.000 No, no, no, it's good.

01:27:27.000 She would always exaggerate.

01:27:29.000 I told her to stop with the fucking triangle.

01:27:31.000 I'm trying to watch T. He's like, no, imagine if there's a firefighter behind you.

01:27:36.000 Stop with the title.

01:27:38.000 What if that would have went to court as a domestic violence dispute?

01:27:41.000 What if that would have...

01:27:41.000 Right now you just fucked up.

01:27:44.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:27:45.000 Talked about it on the internet.

01:27:46.000 That chick's gonna come out of the woodwork with a tie on.

01:27:49.000 It was 15 years ago.

01:27:50.000 I was a purple belt.

01:27:51.000 What did I know?

01:27:52.000 I was a purple belt.

01:27:53.000 Don't give a timeline.

01:27:54.000 Don't give a timeline.

01:27:56.000 I'll sue the machanos.

01:27:57.000 Goddammit, dude.

01:27:57.000 Do not give a timeline out.

01:27:59.000 Don't say when it happened.

01:28:00.000 You should sue Hoyce.

01:28:01.000 I think you meant 20 years ago.

01:28:02.000 Because he was your inspiration.

01:28:03.000 I never hit her.

01:28:04.000 I just used triangle escape.

01:28:07.000 Wow, that seems weird.

01:28:10.000 Well, we weren't paying attention.

01:28:12.000 He didn't win any fans.

01:28:15.000 He landed more strikes.

01:28:17.000 Did he?

01:28:18.000 Yeah.

01:28:19.000 121 to 89. You know what, man?

01:28:22.000 How they count that, I would like to see.

01:28:26.000 Well, that's true.

01:28:27.000 You're right.

01:28:28.000 How about that's the move of the fight?

01:28:30.000 The move of the fight is a half a jab to the face.

01:28:34.000 The move of the fight?

01:28:35.000 The move of the fight is him getting hit.

01:28:37.000 What?

01:28:40.000 That was amazing.

01:28:41.000 That was a tricky punch.

01:28:43.000 Well, we don't know what happened in that fight.

01:28:45.000 Honestly, we really weren't watching that fight.

01:28:48.000 No, definitely.

01:28:48.000 We watched some key moments in the beginning where he was getting hit by right hooks.

01:28:52.000 Tay, look.

01:28:54.000 That's part of his success.

01:28:56.000 You could use that for an argument.

01:29:01.000 Yeah, shoot.

01:29:02.000 You know what?

01:29:03.000 Damn.

01:29:03.000 It's their stomping grounds.

01:29:04.000 All right.

01:29:05.000 Eddie's a-looking.

01:29:05.000 He's a-liking.

01:29:06.000 Damn.

01:29:07.000 Eddie's a-looking.

01:29:07.000 He's a-liking.

01:29:08.000 You know what?

01:29:10.000 She might be pretty good.

01:29:12.000 Okay.

01:29:12.000 Alright.

01:29:13.000 It makes the fight more interesting now.

01:29:15.000 One of her fights, there's a clip of her.

01:29:17.000 When she won, she screamed.

01:29:19.000 And it's this fucking primal roar.

01:29:23.000 That it's like, it's one of the craziest screams I've ever heard come out of a woman's mouth.

01:29:27.000 Can we find that, Jamie?

01:29:28.000 Can we find that?

01:29:29.000 I bet it.

01:29:30.000 I bet if you just Google Kat Zingano scream.

01:29:33.000 Watch, I'll find it right here.

01:29:34.000 Jamie's like, shut the fuck up.

01:29:35.000 I don't take orders from you.

01:29:37.000 That's what Red Bad used to do when I would say that.

01:29:39.000 He wouldn't do shit.

01:29:40.000 I'd go, Red Bad, find that video!

01:29:42.000 He wouldn't move.

01:29:44.000 He'd just ignore me.

01:29:45.000 Because I want to listen to Joe.

01:29:50.000 That's hilarious.

01:29:52.000 Fuck that Eddie guy.

01:29:57.000 This Kat Zingano smacks a drunk guy.

01:30:01.000 Kat Zingano scream...

01:30:03.000 Scream...

01:30:08.000 I'm not motivated enough to look for it.

01:30:10.000 Oh my god, you're the one who brought it up!

01:30:13.000 It was amazing!

01:30:15.000 There's no way I'm going to find it.

01:30:17.000 You got me interested, man.

01:30:18.000 It worked.

01:30:19.000 I'm just talking about an instance after a fight where she screamed.

01:30:22.000 I'm not going to watch the end of every one of her fights.

01:30:24.000 Maybe it's just like a 15 second clip.

01:30:24.000 Okay.

01:30:27.000 It probably is.

01:30:28.000 It's just not on YouTube as Kat Zingano scream yet.

01:30:31.000 Maybe it'll be now after this.

01:30:32.000 It will be after this.

01:30:34.000 Someone will probably hear it.

01:30:35.000 Somehow I have faith that Jamie's going to find that motherfucking scream.

01:30:38.000 I have faith he's not.

01:30:39.000 I have faith that he is.

01:30:40.000 Look at him.

01:30:41.000 He's on it right now.

01:30:42.000 He's on Yahoo search.

01:30:43.000 I don't remember who it was, man.

01:30:45.000 It might have been Emmanuel Nunez, who was her last fight.

01:30:48.000 But when she won, she fucking roared, dude.

01:30:51.000 What if she just went, ah!

01:30:53.000 She roared like an animal.

01:30:54.000 Why not?

01:30:55.000 No, it was like she's an animal.

01:30:57.000 It was like primal.

01:30:58.000 Damn, powerful Kate Hudson.

01:31:02.000 Are those real?

01:31:03.000 Girls talk shit about her.

01:31:04.000 It's hilarious.

01:31:05.000 Why?

01:31:05.000 They go, oh, she's got a thick waist.

01:31:07.000 Oh, she's kind of fat.

01:31:07.000 She's kind of fat.

01:31:08.000 Listen, that's what guys like.

01:31:10.000 We like girls a little bit fat.

01:31:12.000 No, but the hips to waist ratio is nuts.

01:31:14.000 Shut the fuck up.

01:31:14.000 No, no, no, you're right.

01:31:15.000 Because she was in that one movie with the third girl.

01:31:18.000 That's some gay Hollywood talk.

01:31:19.000 You little boy.

01:31:20.000 How dare you?

01:31:21.000 No.

01:31:21.000 No, no, no.

01:31:22.000 That's true.

01:31:23.000 She's very pretty.

01:31:25.000 She's a thick girl.

01:31:25.000 It is huge.

01:31:26.000 I learned it from you, Dad.

01:31:28.000 But, you know, if you're going to break it down for real, like, man, you look...

01:31:28.000 She's perfect.

01:31:32.000 She doesn't have a...

01:31:33.000 Like them chicks...

01:31:34.000 Right.

01:31:35.000 Do you follow, like, squat guides on IG and you see that there's...

01:31:39.000 Just follow Brendan Schatz's Instagram.

01:31:40.000 That's a different kind of ass, you know what I mean?

01:31:42.000 What's going on?

01:31:43.000 We're talking about hip-to-ass ratio in girls.

01:31:46.000 Yeah, just follow Brendon Schubbs and go, oh, yeah, there you go.

01:31:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:31:49.000 You're right, though.

01:31:50.000 No, no, she's a little thick.

01:31:50.000 You're right.

01:31:53.000 I thought that you would automatically agree with me.

01:31:56.000 Kate Hudson got a little...

01:31:57.000 Kate Hudson's boxy, son.

01:32:00.000 Yeah, she's a little thick.

01:32:00.000 It's like a straight line.

01:32:02.000 It's not good.

01:32:02.000 No, she doesn't have, like, those sexy curves.

01:32:04.000 She's boxy.

01:32:05.000 Not sexy.

01:32:06.000 You don't think she's sexy?

01:32:06.000 That's what Justin said.

01:32:07.000 No, she's not sexy at all.

01:32:09.000 I've seen her.

01:32:12.000 Oh yeah, Kate Upton.

01:32:13.000 She has some tig old biddies, though.

01:32:15.000 Tig old biddies.

01:32:17.000 They're real, too.

01:32:18.000 She has a boxy build, though.

01:32:19.000 I don't think she's that sexy.

01:32:21.000 Like a sausage, right?

01:32:22.000 You say they are real as if that's a good thing.

01:32:24.000 A refrigerator.

01:32:25.000 What?

01:32:26.000 They're real big, and they're real.

01:32:29.000 Real doesn't seem to be like the...

01:32:31.000 It's not the in thing anymore, is it?

01:32:33.000 I don't feel like that's a benefit.

01:32:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:36.000 I'm like, they got a better way.

01:32:39.000 I agree, man.

01:32:40.000 I'm with you.

01:32:41.000 You like fake asses though?

01:32:42.000 Not at all.

01:32:44.000 Man, that's so bad.

01:32:45.000 You know the thing that I'm mad about it is because the fucking legs are like little twig legs and then you've got this huge ridiculous ass.

01:32:51.000 Get your fucking life right, girl.

01:32:53.000 Do something different.

01:32:54.000 See, because if you're born with small titties, there's nothing you can do physically to grow those titties.

01:32:59.000 Get fake titties.

01:33:00.000 Your ass, just do some squats for a couple years and watch what the fuck you eat.

01:33:05.000 All it's showing is that you're a lazy bitch.

01:33:07.000 Any girl can reshape her body.

01:33:08.000 Correct?

01:33:09.000 I don't know, man.

01:33:10.000 Some of it's genetics.

01:33:12.000 You can do all the squats you want.

01:33:13.000 If you have a flat ass like Mr. Burns, you ain't getting a bubble butt.

01:33:17.000 With the correct squats and Samba?

01:33:20.000 Zumba?

01:33:20.000 What about Zumba?

01:33:21.000 Zumba's not good?

01:33:22.000 If you pay attention to it with nutrition, powerlifting, some shit, I think you could do it.

01:33:26.000 Who's to say?

01:33:27.000 I mean, if this bitch went ham on a CrossFit program, squats and nutrition, I guess.

01:33:31.000 And just shot testosterone right into the glutes.

01:33:34.000 Bah!

01:33:34.000 Well, now you're talking.

01:33:36.000 Directly.

01:33:36.000 On each side, you alternate.

01:33:38.000 That might do it.

01:33:39.000 Ask the trainer, Doug.

01:33:40.000 What do you think?

01:33:40.000 Right?

01:33:41.000 If I bring a girl with a straight, flat ass Mr. Burns style, you can give her a bubble butt?

01:33:45.000 Yeah, because there's different body types.

01:33:46.000 You know, there's like ectomorphic.

01:33:48.000 There's different body types.

01:33:50.000 Is there before and after for just butts?

01:33:53.000 Like flatness and curvature and all that stuff.

01:33:55.000 Yeah, yeah, and I've seen some pretty crazy before and after shots, for sure.

01:33:59.000 Based on ass and hips to waist ratio and all that.

01:34:04.000 There's nothing worse than a flat ass.

01:34:06.000 There's nothing worse.

01:34:06.000 So good.

01:34:07.000 What a fucking guy.

01:34:07.000 I agree with you.

01:34:08.000 Can't talk over each other.

01:34:11.000 While you're eating chips on the mic.

01:34:14.000 You are destroying those chips, though.

01:34:19.000 You're destroying those.

01:34:20.000 Good, huh?

01:34:20.000 Are those the salt and vinegar ones?

01:34:22.000 Those are good.

01:34:23.000 You want a pepper?

01:34:24.000 I have the same ones here.

01:34:26.000 How does it feel when you first started not doing UFCs?

01:34:32.000 The first shows where they started branching out and using...

01:34:35.000 I like watching.

01:34:36.000 I like commentary, but I like watching, too.

01:34:42.000 If for whatever reason, I never worked for the UFC again, I would probably watch just as many fights.

01:34:48.000 I wouldn't watch the prelims as much, like the early prelims, because I just don't have six hours on most days to be watching fights.

01:34:48.000 I'm pretty close.

01:34:56.000 But for recreation purposes, like how much do I enjoy it?

01:34:59.000 I fucking love watching the fights on TV. I like the fact that I don't have to go anywhere.

01:35:03.000 I'm home.

01:35:04.000 Hanging out with my friends, having a couple of beers, watching fights.

01:35:07.000 I love it.

01:35:08.000 I mean, I love working for the UFC, but I love watching, too.

01:35:11.000 I wouldn't mind at all if I didn't do it again.

01:35:14.000 I'd rather do this than sit front row at any live event.

01:35:17.000 That's fine, man.

01:35:18.000 That's true.

01:35:19.000 How often do you actually re-watch a show you just...

01:35:23.000 Occasionally, I watch big fights or big moments, something that was really special to me.

01:35:30.000 There's been some fights where I watched the same fight two, three times in a row just to see wild transitions or some shit.

01:35:38.000 Depending on what the fight was like, what was going on in the fight that was so interesting.

01:35:44.000 Powerful Neil Magny.

01:35:45.000 Neil Magny.

01:35:46.000 There's your boy.

01:35:47.000 Up in this pitch.

01:35:48.000 The gazelle.

01:35:49.000 Up in this bitch.

01:35:50.000 On that tough contract.

01:35:51.000 Gotta work that motherfucker off.

01:35:55.000 Struggle's real on that tough contract.

01:35:56.000 Struggle's real.

01:35:57.000 Tell us about it.

01:35:59.000 Tell us about it.

01:36:00.000 I mean, I was fighting Noguera for eight and eight.

01:36:02.000 Went down to Brazil, got my ass whooped, came back on the plane.

01:36:05.000 Is that eight million?

01:36:06.000 Yeah.

01:36:07.000 Wait a minute.

01:36:09.000 Eight grand and eight grand.

01:36:10.000 Eight thousand dollars.

01:36:11.000 Just stop and think of that.

01:36:11.000 Yep.

01:36:13.000 Go to South America and fight a world champion.

01:36:18.000 He's a world champion.

01:36:20.000 Legend.

01:36:21.000 Noguera is the fucking first guy ever that was a heavyweight that had a wicked guard.

01:36:28.000 I mean, Noguera is the former pride champion.

01:36:32.000 Legendary wars.

01:36:33.000 He fucking armbarred Bob Sapp in one of the craziest fights the world has ever known.

01:36:38.000 You're fighting him for $8,000.

01:36:39.000 And guess who didn't give a fuck?

01:36:41.000 This guy.

01:36:42.000 Super cocky, too.

01:36:43.000 Bad idea.

01:36:44.000 Bad idea.

01:36:45.000 Then I fought Krokop for 10 and 10. After taxes on that Noguera fight, you're looking at like 2,800.

01:36:52.000 Yeah, no, I basically paid to fight Noguera.

01:36:54.000 I was like, thank you, sir.

01:36:55.000 Here you go.

01:36:58.000 Yeah, I fought Krokop.

01:36:59.000 I think it was 10 and 10. Then after that fight, I had to have reconstructive nose surgery.

01:37:05.000 What did Krokop make that fight?

01:37:08.000 He got paid.

01:37:10.000 Paid.

01:37:11.000 Had a fanny pack on and no fucks given.

01:37:14.000 I was like, cool, you won, man.

01:37:16.000 Nice bonus check.

01:37:17.000 He got paid.

01:37:18.000 It's Crow Cop.

01:37:19.000 He deserves to get paid.

01:37:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:37:21.000 I didn't deserve that money at the time.

01:37:23.000 You know, I think I had four fights in the UFC, five fights in the UFC. You gotta get your nose fixed.

01:37:29.000 Reconstructive nose surgery after Cro Cop.

01:37:31.000 What happened?

01:37:32.000 He hit me with an elbow and it shattered my nose.

01:37:34.000 Like completely shattered everything in my nose.

01:37:36.000 Second round too.

01:37:38.000 I was like, why the fuck am I so tired?

01:37:39.000 I'm in great shape.

01:37:40.000 And I couldn't breathe out of my nose.

01:37:42.000 Blood just going gushing down my throat.

01:37:44.000 How did they fix it?

01:37:45.000 What did they have to do?

01:37:47.000 They went in.

01:37:48.000 They put like some mesh thing in it because all the bones were so fractured and like tiny fractures.

01:37:52.000 Put some mesh thing in it.

01:37:54.000 I was trying to get a legit nose job.

01:37:56.000 I was like, yo, Doc, take a little off the tip while I'm under the knife, Doug.

01:38:01.000 Makes me look sick.

01:38:03.000 He's like, nah, that's not what I do.

01:38:05.000 Yeah, you don't want him to give you some weird fucking Michael Jackson nose.

01:38:08.000 But then they put these brackets up there and stitched them in so it wouldn't move.

01:38:11.000 I had to chill like that for six weeks.

01:38:13.000 It was the most pain I've ever been in.

01:38:15.000 Popping painkillers every day.

01:38:17.000 Got addicted to them.

01:38:18.000 I got addicted to them.

01:38:19.000 No shit.

01:38:20.000 Because I had a doctor who was like, oh, I'm cool, I'm hip, here's 200 OxyContin.

01:38:25.000 I was like, hell yeah.

01:38:26.000 Got the things taken out, next thing I know I'm still filling the prescription.

01:38:30.000 Pop them every single day, didn't even notice.

01:38:32.000 Finally a buddy had to come to the house and take them from me.

01:38:34.000 Whoa!

01:38:36.000 It was some intervention shit.

01:38:37.000 How many were you taking a day?

01:38:38.000 Probably six.

01:38:39.000 Oh my god.

01:38:40.000 Oxycontins?

01:38:40.000 Yeah.

01:38:41.000 Oh my god.

01:38:41.000 For how long?

01:38:42.000 This was right after I fought Crow Cop.

01:38:46.000 I had like 10, 11 month layoff because of it.

01:38:49.000 And then I fought Nogara after that.

01:38:50.000 So you had a 10, 11 month layoff because of Oxycontin addiction?

01:38:54.000 No, because I had a nose job.

01:38:55.000 Okay.

01:38:56.000 But how long did the Oxycontin addiction kick in?

01:38:59.000 Uh...

01:39:00.000 I was probably doing it hardcore for like four months.

01:39:03.000 Four months?

01:39:04.000 Wow!

01:39:05.000 Then my best friend, Joe Klopfenstein, came over and took him from me.

01:39:08.000 What kind of stupid shit were you doing on it where they had to intervene?

01:39:11.000 They just knew.

01:39:12.000 I was taking them non-stop.

01:39:13.000 Like, what are we doing?

01:39:14.000 How are you acting?

01:39:14.000 They must have been...

01:39:15.000 Because if you were just normal like this, people wouldn't even notice.

01:39:18.000 No, I wasn't normal like this because I'm not a...

01:39:20.000 Were you late everywhere?

01:39:23.000 Were you sleeping all day?

01:39:24.000 I think I was just out of it all the time.

01:39:26.000 Like, out of it.

01:39:27.000 You know, I'm a guy who talks a lot.

01:39:28.000 I think I was just kind of like this fucking asshole who just like chilled.

01:39:32.000 I was like a vegetable.

01:39:33.000 Mopey, just laying around.

01:39:35.000 That's the other thing.

01:39:35.000 I was super depressed on him.

01:39:37.000 After you take him, I got super depressed.

01:39:39.000 How was it coming off of him?

01:39:40.000 How did it feel?

01:39:40.000 Horrible.

01:39:41.000 Super itchy.

01:39:42.000 I was real irritable all the time.

01:39:44.000 And now I got a fight with Noguera.

01:39:46.000 Perfect timing.

01:39:47.000 It must have been great.

01:39:47.000 Perfect timing.

01:39:48.000 So you fought Noguera after you got off of the pills?

01:39:52.000 How long after?

01:39:54.000 You'd have to look at the timetable.

01:39:55.000 I'm sure people can look it up.

01:39:57.000 Not far after.

01:39:59.000 So I went off those painkillers, fired my striking coach.

01:40:04.000 This is how stupid I was as a young fighter.

01:40:06.000 I was so sure I was going to knock Nogueira out.

01:40:08.000 I didn't even go to Brazil with a striking coach.

01:40:11.000 I was just like, nah, I don't need one.

01:40:12.000 I'm going to knock him out.

01:40:13.000 Damn, the pills fucked your head up sideways.

01:40:16.000 Fuck me up.

01:40:18.000 That's a crazy thing that a doctor could just start prescribing them like that.

01:40:21.000 Isn't it weird?

01:40:22.000 Like, you don't have to go to them to get your pill.

01:40:24.000 Like, you could just take all 200 at once.

01:40:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:27.000 Do whatever you want.

01:40:28.000 I mean, that's one of the weirdest things about, like, doctors giving you pills.

01:40:28.000 You can do whatever you want.

01:40:33.000 I've had surgery since.

01:40:34.000 Like, on my hand, uh, they gave them my neck.

01:40:37.000 After Trash Brown fight, they gave me something for my neck.

01:40:39.000 I don't take them anymore.

01:40:40.000 Really?

01:40:41.000 Yeah, I don't even fill the prescription.

01:40:42.000 You just, they take it?

01:40:43.000 You just say, I'd rather have the pain.

01:40:44.000 Yeah, I'll deal with the pain.

01:40:45.000 I've had three surgeries and I don't take them.

01:40:49.000 I've got them in the house, but I don't fuck with them at all.

01:40:52.000 You've had issues with substances in the past too.

01:40:57.000 But I figure it's a trick anyway.

01:40:59.000 It makes your mind pretend you're somewhere else.

01:41:02.000 The pain's still all there.

01:41:03.000 It's like a distraction.

01:41:04.000 And I'm like, fuck it, I'll freeze it out with ice or I'll take extra Tylenol or whatever pain and I'll just fucking get through it.

01:41:11.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:41:11.000 Do you still have those pills though?

01:41:12.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 Yeah, I went through both my knee surgeries with no pills, no nothing.

01:41:19.000 Because when I had my ACL done, the first knee surgery on my left knee, they gave me, I don't remember what it was.

01:41:25.000 Was it Vicodin or Percocet?

01:41:26.000 I don't remember.

01:41:27.000 I wound up selling them at the pool hall.

01:41:29.000 But I took one hit, and I was so out of it, I was like, I'd rather have the pain.

01:41:34.000 I'd rather have the pain.

01:41:35.000 Oh, I love that thing.

01:41:36.000 Oh, I don't like it at all.

01:41:37.000 I don't like it at all.

01:41:39.000 I say I don't like it at all, but I used to fucking love NyQuil.

01:41:43.000 The real NyQuil with codeine.

01:41:45.000 I remember when I was a little kid and just going into a hallucinogenic state off that.

01:41:48.000 It was awesome.

01:41:49.000 Dude, I took it once.

01:41:51.000 Dreamy.

01:41:51.000 The last time I took it, it was more than 10 years ago, but I was sick, and I got ahold of someone before they took the codeine out, and I just felt like shit.

01:41:59.000 I was like, what do we got?

01:42:00.000 I got some NyQuil.

01:42:01.000 I'll take this.

01:42:02.000 I hadn't taken it since I was a kid.

01:42:04.000 And I just melted into that bed.

01:42:06.000 That's that scissor.

01:42:07.000 I was so happy.

01:42:08.000 Before the rappers made it famous.

01:42:10.000 That's that little Wayne scissor.

01:42:13.000 I felt so good.

01:42:14.000 I felt so good.

01:42:15.000 I'll drink some of that shit right now, I'm not gonna lie to you guys.

01:42:17.000 How's your boy Neil Magny?

01:42:18.000 You would drink some syrup, but you won't fuck with some Oxycontins.

01:42:21.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:42:22.000 I like how you think.

01:42:23.000 Yeah, right.

01:42:24.000 Makes sense.

01:42:25.000 One of them put a hook in them, the other didn't yet.

01:42:27.000 Neil Magdy's looking good, man.

01:42:29.000 He's so active.

01:42:30.000 Neil, at this altitude, his cardio is going to be beastly.

01:42:33.000 His cardio is always nasty.

01:42:35.000 Lives up here, trains up here, and he's got a style where he never, like, he's not burning out any fast twitch muscle fibers.

01:42:42.000 He stays on you at like a 75% pace always, you know?

01:42:46.000 His biggest thing is confidence, man.

01:42:48.000 He's getting more confidence.

01:42:48.000 He's always had the skill.

01:42:50.000 It's just confidence.

01:42:51.000 The only thing that's missing with Neil Magny is knockout power.

01:42:55.000 You know what's missing?

01:42:55.000 He's just not mean.

01:42:57.000 He's just not mean.

01:42:58.000 I nicknamed him the fucking Gazelle.

01:43:01.000 I mean Gazelle doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body.

01:43:04.000 That's why I nicknamed him the Gazelle.

01:43:07.000 But he's a very competent fighter.

01:43:09.000 He definitely knows how to fight.

01:43:11.000 Huge reach, good cardio.

01:43:12.000 He's a beast, man.

01:43:14.000 He's a smart fighter.

01:43:15.000 He fights very smart.

01:43:16.000 Very smart.

01:43:19.000 Yeah, he's one of those dudes that's on a win streak that nobody's talking about.

01:43:21.000 No one talks about it.

01:43:22.000 I think he's on a seven fight?

01:43:24.000 Six.

01:43:24.000 Six fight winning streak?

01:43:25.000 I think it's a B7, yeah.

01:43:26.000 I mean, that's amazing.

01:43:27.000 In this division?

01:43:29.000 Well, he's on the main card, so someone's talking about it.

01:43:32.000 Well, he's in Boston.

01:43:32.000 Yeah.

01:43:33.000 Or he's in Denver, rather.

01:43:34.000 He's in Denver, yeah.

01:43:35.000 It's a fight night.

01:43:36.000 He lives in Denver.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, he lives there.

01:43:40.000 He lived with Nate Marcart forever, man.

01:43:42.000 I think he got his own place now.

01:43:43.000 He better get his own place.

01:43:44.000 What did you think about Nate's last fight?

01:43:46.000 Is that hard to watch?

01:43:47.000 Super hard to watch.

01:43:48.000 I sent him a text and said, hey, I need you to come in for a podcast with Joe Rogan.

01:43:51.000 That's what I told him.

01:43:52.000 No, I'm just kidding, man.

01:43:54.000 No, but for reals, though.

01:43:56.000 I think you'd be surprised.

01:43:58.000 You'd be surprised, son!

01:44:01.000 Joe's like, I've learned and evolved through this.

01:44:03.000 I don't know.

01:44:04.000 You know what, though, man?

01:44:05.000 That's the thing you tell fighters.

01:44:06.000 I think it's time to go on Joe's podcast.

01:44:08.000 That's what I tell him, man.

01:44:09.000 I wouldn't do it unless I loved him.

01:44:11.000 It's tough for me to watch, man, with Nate especially.

01:44:14.000 Nate was my hero, man.

01:44:15.000 I missed that fight.

01:44:16.000 What happened?

01:44:16.000 He just looked bad.

01:44:18.000 Well, Brad Tavares looked really fucking good.

01:44:21.000 To not take anything away from Nate, I think Nate's a really good fighter, but Brad Tavares is becoming something special right now.

01:44:30.000 I get that, but Nate Markhart, a young Nate, Nate in his prime, was a fucking beast, man.

01:44:36.000 We're the best ever.

01:44:38.000 Really?

01:44:38.000 He's a very good fighter.

01:44:39.000 If you watch the combination that he finished Tyron Woodley off with in Strikeforce when he won the title, dude, that's some video game shit.

01:44:47.000 He looked beautiful.

01:44:50.000 Look, Nate, it's been around a long time.

01:44:51.000 He's been fighting since he was 17. You know who gave me insight into Nate is you when you told me that he was one of his main sparring partners was Shane Carwin.

01:45:00.000 It was me and Shane.

01:45:01.000 There's only three of us every day in the gym.

01:45:03.000 What?

01:45:04.000 Yeah.

01:45:04.000 But just thinking someone fighting at 170 who spars with Shaycar, I mean, maybe it was 185 at the time, but when Nate was fighting at 185, he wasn't really cutting any weight.

01:45:14.000 No, he walked around like 192. Yeah.

01:45:17.000 But he was fighting with Shane, who walked around at 280. Me, I was 240 at the time.

01:45:21.000 Did you just say what number?

01:45:22.000 What was that number?

01:45:23.000 280?

01:45:24.000 Shane was a solid 280. That hurts my face.

01:45:28.000 That's like the greatest training partner to work on footwork.

01:45:32.000 That's how I got all my footwork.

01:45:36.000 Yeah, that's not good for your brain.

01:45:38.000 Nope.

01:45:39.000 It's really not good for your brain.

01:45:40.000 Keith was saying it was the hardest he'd ever been hit.

01:45:43.000 He's in a clinch, and he's got an underhook, and he says, just this far away, and he's like, and fucking bell rung.

01:45:53.000 Nobody hits like Shane.

01:45:56.000 Keith used to stand and bang with Shane.

01:45:58.000 I'd be like, look at this, dude.

01:46:00.000 Not good, man.

01:46:01.000 Ugh.

01:46:02.000 That explains a lot.

01:46:04.000 Shut up.

01:46:06.000 All of us are just punchy as fuck?

01:46:08.000 No, I mean, just stop and think about everybody that Shane Carwin is sparred with.

01:46:11.000 Dude.

01:46:14.000 Shane Carwin, like, his hands are so stupid big.

01:46:17.000 Dude.

01:46:17.000 They're literally like lunchboxes.

01:46:19.000 They're like some fucking Thor lunchbox shit.

01:46:23.000 Some hammer at the end of his wrist.

01:46:25.000 What does he wear, a 4XL? Yeah, biggest glove ever in the UFC. Biggest glove ever in the UFC. Yeah, bigger gloves.

01:46:32.000 Shane's bigger than Brock.

01:46:34.000 That's what people don't understand.

01:46:35.000 Brock's lower body part isn't that big.

01:46:39.000 His ass, his quads, his calves aren't that big.

01:46:42.000 Shane's like a fucking Mack truck.

01:46:45.000 Shane is a big fucking dude.

01:46:47.000 You know what?

01:46:48.000 I would have loved to see what happened with Shane if he didn't have all those injuries from football.

01:46:52.000 Football and wrestling.

01:46:53.000 Yeah, both of those.

01:46:55.000 But they're back injuries, too.

01:46:57.000 Neck.

01:46:57.000 Back and neck, spinal.

01:46:59.000 His neck's fucked up.

01:46:59.000 All that stuff is just so debilitating.

01:47:03.000 That's what removes so much athleticism, so much explosion.

01:47:07.000 A fighter becomes so different when they have a back-neck injury.

01:47:11.000 Bro, when Shane fought Frank Mayer, we're in the same camp, obviously.

01:47:14.000 I forget who I was getting ready for.

01:47:16.000 Maybe Crow Cup or Noguer, I forget.

01:47:18.000 But Shane maybe hit mitts three times.

01:47:22.000 Maybe trained, not much, man.

01:47:23.000 Rolled in beat, the brakes off Frank.

01:47:26.000 Did no fucks given.

01:47:27.000 Well, he hit the gas from the opening round.

01:47:30.000 He got an underhook.

01:47:31.000 He got him tied up, and he was hitting him with left uppercuts that just looked like...

01:47:31.000 Yeah.

01:47:36.000 He might have sparred literally three or four times that camp.

01:47:36.000 Hellfire.

01:47:39.000 Well, it was perfect because, you know, that wasn't sparring.

01:47:41.000 That was an ass-whooping.

01:47:42.000 I mean, he just grabbed ahold of him and beat the fuck out of him.

01:47:46.000 It was a hard one to watch because that one, I think he took way too many shots in that fight.

01:47:51.000 Mir did.

01:47:52.000 I mean, I think that could have been stopped earlier.

01:47:54.000 Just Shane's short, powerful punches were just ruthless in that fight.

01:48:00.000 He seemed a little too relaxed in the clinch against the cage.

01:48:04.000 Well, Frank's coach goes, relax here, relax here, you're doing fine.

01:48:08.000 I was like, huh?

01:48:09.000 What?

01:48:11.000 Yeah, hell no, you ain't doing fine.

01:48:13.000 You got Shane Conner with an underhook?

01:48:14.000 That's where he makes his living.

01:48:16.000 Everyone knows Shane Conner with an underhook, you better get the fuck out.

01:48:20.000 You better get the fuck out, son.

01:48:22.000 She didn't even like to wrestle either.

01:48:24.000 He didn't want to wrestle ever.

01:48:25.000 What is your insight where the guy like Cain Velasquez is continually getting injured?

01:48:29.000 What do you think that's about?

01:48:32.000 Listen, with the wrestling, how long has he been competing for?

01:48:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:48:36.000 Wrestling, and now he's been getting ready forever for MMA, went straight into it.

01:48:41.000 I just think his body's never had a break.

01:48:43.000 Finally, the body's like, you know what, man?

01:48:44.000 We can't do this anymore.

01:48:45.000 We just can't do this anymore.

01:48:47.000 You look at guys like Junior Dos Santos, too.

01:48:49.000 I mean, anyone here thinks Junior Dos Santos from those two fights with Kane is the same is fucking crazy.

01:48:54.000 That dude, he's just not the same.

01:48:56.000 And now he just had surgery on his hand and knee.

01:48:58.000 Oh.

01:49:00.000 Junior did.

01:49:02.000 After Stipe, he had another surgery.

01:49:04.000 And he had surgery before that fight.

01:49:06.000 So your body's telling you something, man.

01:49:08.000 Eventually your body's just like, we can't do this.

01:49:10.000 We can't compete at this level anymore.

01:49:13.000 When you see the Stipe fight, do you think that that was just Stipe just getting better and better and better?

01:49:18.000 Do you think it was Junior sliding off a little bit, or do you think it was a combination of both?

01:49:23.000 Combination of both.

01:49:24.000 I think Stipe's looked better.

01:49:26.000 I've seen Stipe look better.

01:49:27.000 Stipe used to be a training partner of mine.

01:49:29.000 I used to fly Stipe in to Denver.

01:49:31.000 He's a beast.

01:49:32.000 Stipe's a beast.

01:49:33.000 Stipe's a tough guy.

01:49:34.000 He looked very good in that fight, too.

01:49:35.000 But I've seen Stipe look better.

01:49:37.000 Better than that?

01:49:38.000 Yeah.

01:49:38.000 Really?

01:49:38.000 I thought that was the best performance of Stipe's career.

01:49:40.000 I thought he rose up.

01:49:41.000 I mean, I thought his timing was super sharp.

01:49:44.000 His boxing looked good.

01:49:45.000 In the first round, he let Junior know.

01:49:48.000 He did take some shots, but in the first round, he let Junior know.

01:49:50.000 Like, hey, this is going to be some shit.

01:49:52.000 For sure.

01:49:52.000 You're going through some shit.

01:49:53.000 I don't know if you thought, like, oh, I'm not fighting Cain Velasquez.

01:49:56.000 This is going to be nice.

01:49:57.000 We get a little bit of a break.

01:49:58.000 No breaks.

01:49:59.000 I'm trying to kill you.

01:50:00.000 Yeah, he went at him, man.

01:50:01.000 It was beautiful.

01:50:02.000 I don't think Junior's the same anymore.

01:50:04.000 I mean, you can't get your ass whipped for that for ten rounds and be the same.

01:50:08.000 You just can't.

01:50:09.000 You think that's just what it is?

01:50:10.000 Yep.

01:50:11.000 I think you only have so many rounds in your career.

01:50:13.000 It doesn't matter whether you do it in one fight, if you do five in one fight, if you do one here, two in this fight, there's only a certain amount where your body just shuts it down.

01:50:21.000 There's a certain amount where your body shuts it down, but is there a period in time where it just starts declining, obviously?

01:50:27.000 Do you see it declining, and then they still fight for five, six more years?

01:50:32.000 Oh, 100%.

01:50:32.000 You see that with everybody.

01:50:34.000 Especially with Junior, because he's making serious bank.

01:50:38.000 Good shit going on right now.

01:50:42.000 I'm trying to get his guard passed, but it's just a battle of the guard pass right here.

01:50:49.000 Now, Eddie, when you know all the go-to shit from half guard that you know, when you see dudes just kind of hanging on in these positions, when you see guys on the bottom, does that frustrate you when you see guys that don't attack?

01:51:01.000 Or does it, like, open you up to possibilities like, wait, hey, my students get in this situation, you're going to see some shit.

01:51:08.000 Like, how do you, like, when you look at this and you see, like, all these, like, if you look at what you would be doing in this situation, I would never have the balls to get in a cage and do any of this shit, first of all.

01:51:19.000 Let me just say that.

01:51:19.000 That's very beautiful of you.

01:51:21.000 But, I mean, just from a technical aspect, if you see guys on the ground and they're in positions in the guard and you see, like, sloppy guard work, does that frustrate you or does it make you think, like, hey, you know, look, this is just great for, you know, my fighters, guys like Ben Saunders that I train,

01:51:37.000 you know, they go, oh, shit, Neil Magnet going off.

01:51:39.000 Yep.

01:51:40.000 He's like, I don't like being on the bottom, I'm gonna go ahead and kill him.

01:51:42.000 Oh, he's that fucking cardio.

01:51:43.000 Oh, he slipped.

01:51:44.000 Slipped on the knee.

01:51:45.000 But still, look at that cardio, Neil Magny.

01:51:47.000 Yeah, the...

01:51:48.000 Go, go, go.

01:51:49.000 Saved him.

01:51:51.000 If we can just get a mean streak in here.

01:51:53.000 There's just so much to train when you're fighting MMA. It's a really, really smart thing to do when you first start getting into MMA to get your striking together because the worst possible thing that can happen is you get knocked the fuck.

01:52:11.000 That's way worse than getting choked out.

01:52:13.000 Getting put in a rear naked choke is kind of humiliating, especially if you're a striker.

01:52:18.000 It's like, fuck.

01:52:18.000 But nothing's worse than getting shut off and doing the fish.

01:52:23.000 That's the worst nightmare.

01:52:26.000 You have to spend so much time on your feet to make sure that shit don't happen, because these guys are animals, that there's not that much time to really get super technical with your jiu-jitsu.

01:52:38.000 There's not that much time, so when I see a Just vanilla jujitsu or whatever you want to call it from fighters.

01:52:47.000 That's what I expect.

01:52:49.000 They don't have the time.

01:52:51.000 I understand that they're spending most of their time with their striking shit.

01:52:56.000 If I had a gun to my hand and someone said I have to do MMA, I'd be spending my time striking all day.

01:53:03.000 Trying to avoid the worst case scenario, just getting shut off.

01:53:07.000 So many hours in the day, you just can't train everything.

01:53:11.000 Look at Neil Magny.

01:53:13.000 Neil's beating this dude up.

01:53:15.000 That's real good.

01:53:16.000 Oh shit.

01:53:17.000 I think he broke him when he hit him with that left.

01:53:19.000 I think he's breaking him in the altitude.

01:53:21.000 He's got 13 seconds though.

01:53:23.000 Yeah, this might be over.

01:53:25.000 I guarantee he lets him get to the round.

01:53:28.000 Herb's the best in the business, man.

01:53:30.000 He's not going to stop it.

01:53:33.000 I don't know.

01:53:33.000 I think he might have been able...

01:53:34.000 No, he's fine.

01:53:34.000 He might have been at the doorway there about 15 seconds ago.

01:53:37.000 No, he's fine.

01:53:38.000 It would have been a bad call because look at him.

01:53:39.000 No, but I'm saying if Neil could have landed more shots...

01:53:41.000 True.

01:53:43.000 It's a rough sport, man.

01:53:45.000 I never, ever, ever had a dream to do MMA. I'm just not like a barbarian.

01:53:51.000 I would have done it if my back was against the wall.

01:53:56.000 Luckily, I did some things in jiu-jitsu where I didn't have to fight.

01:54:00.000 But if my back was against the wall and I had to work at a regular job waking up at 5.30 in the morning or MMA, I would do MMA. But I wouldn't be happy about it.

01:54:10.000 I'm not that guy.

01:54:11.000 I'm not that guy.

01:54:12.000 Ben and Brendan, you guys are fucking animals, man, to fucking want to do it and want the big fights and want to do it in front of the whole world.

01:54:21.000 I'm like 99.9999% of the population.

01:54:25.000 We don't have the balls.

01:54:27.000 There's only a tiny percentage of guys.

01:54:28.000 I'm not one of those guys.

01:54:29.000 I like jujitsu.

01:54:31.000 It's as close as I'll get.

01:54:32.000 And if I had a gun to my head, I would do MMA, but I'm not a barbarian like that.

01:54:36.000 Jiu-jitsu is fucking nerve-wracking, too, man.

01:54:38.000 When I did that metamoros, I really didn't think my nerves would get to me like a fight.

01:54:42.000 I was like, Shob, you're up.

01:54:44.000 I was like, oh, shit.

01:54:45.000 Yeah, but it's an ego thing, really.

01:54:48.000 It's pure ego.

01:54:48.000 MMA is ego and physical.

01:54:52.000 It's non-physical and physical.

01:54:54.000 All manifest into one.

01:54:56.000 Boom.

01:54:56.000 That's why the glory is so beautiful.

01:54:58.000 When you win, that glory.

01:55:00.000 I've never knocked anybody out in the UFC, but I see and I can feel it.

01:55:04.000 When Chuck Liddell knocks someone out and he does that, he knows right now the whole world is watching and he's thinking about the after party and all that shit.

01:55:13.000 He's like, ah!

01:55:14.000 But when you lose, my man, the lows.

01:55:16.000 It's the opposite of that.

01:55:17.000 It's the opposite.

01:55:18.000 What I was asking is, though, I understand.

01:55:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:55:22.000 That's why the glory is so beautiful, because losing feels the worst ever.

01:55:27.000 So most people are like, that glory is the ultimate.

01:55:31.000 Everybody wants that glory.

01:55:32.000 But the risk of going the other way, it's too risky.

01:55:35.000 So most people don't have the balls.

01:55:37.000 You guys are like, fucking playing the lottery.

01:55:39.000 Like, we're going to fucking do it.

01:55:40.000 And you're happy about it.

01:55:41.000 You can't wait to drink.

01:55:42.000 Ben Sonner is fucking...

01:55:45.000 He loves every aspect of fighting.

01:55:48.000 I've sat down and had many conversations with Ben.

01:55:51.000 Man, this is one of the coolest.

01:55:53.000 He's got his fucking whole spirituality together and man, I'm just so impressed with Ben as a person and how he handles all this.

01:56:01.000 You know, he's right there.

01:56:04.000 It's like we're talking when he's not here.

01:56:06.000 Proceed.

01:56:07.000 Continue, please.

01:56:09.000 It's crazy!

01:56:11.000 Neil's got the rear naked choke!

01:56:14.000 Now Neil's going to be really famous now.

01:56:17.000 Watch.

01:56:18.000 If you can get a little personality on the mic, yeah.

01:56:21.000 Damn, Neil Magny.

01:56:23.000 Put it on him.

01:56:24.000 I'm out.

01:56:24.000 Give him some lessons.

01:56:25.000 Damn, powerful Neil Magny.

01:56:27.000 It's tough.

01:56:28.000 Either you got it or you don't.

01:56:28.000 There's no lessons.

01:56:29.000 Dana might hire you as a personality coach for these guys.

01:56:32.000 His cardio is insane.

01:56:33.000 You know what I was asking?

01:56:34.000 Either you, Eddie, or they don't, my man.

01:56:35.000 All the Ultimate Fighters, they've got to go through you.

01:56:37.000 They've got to take a three-week course with Brennan.

01:56:39.000 A big brown workshop.

01:56:40.000 What I was asking you, I know how you feel about MMA and you fighting.

01:56:43.000 That's not what I meant.

01:56:44.000 What I meant was when you see all these openings on the ground, being like a guard specialist, does it frustrate you that people don't know this shit?

01:56:52.000 No, there's no frustration.

01:56:54.000 Does it give you a feeling of, like, look, this is good that my guys know how to do shit that other guys aren't doing in MMA, and the more MMA fighters I coach with the right techniques, the more we're going to see this kind of stuff.

01:57:07.000 Man, I... I don't know what to say to that.

01:57:11.000 If you see shitty technique, you're not like, come on, son.

01:57:17.000 I don't know, man.

01:57:17.000 I don't know what to say about that.

01:57:19.000 What do you say about that?

01:57:20.000 He's too high right now.

01:57:21.000 It frustrates me, for sure.

01:57:22.000 I'm not frustrated.

01:57:24.000 I look at it, I'm not frustrated.

01:57:26.000 I understand the situation.

01:57:28.000 I understand the mentality of the whole thing.

01:57:33.000 I've been backstage and talked to so many fighters of the UFC for so many years and King of the Cage.

01:57:39.000 I've been in the business, making money for a long time, backstage watching their lives.

01:57:43.000 And the more I work backstage, the more, to me, I'm like, There's so much pressure for me.

01:57:48.000 Fuck that!

01:57:49.000 I see what these guys are going through and all these guys going through.

01:57:53.000 Not only the fighters, but like the apparel brands and everyone's trying to start their own apparel brand.

01:57:58.000 And I remember back in 2001, Rage Athletic.

01:58:03.000 Death kill joke.

01:58:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:06.000 All that shit.

01:58:07.000 And I see these guys.

01:58:08.000 They put all their money.

01:58:10.000 We're going to do it.

01:58:11.000 MMA's getting big.

01:58:12.000 I got a clothing line.

01:58:13.000 And you just see them come and go.

01:58:15.000 So after a while, you see the UFC fighters coming through.

01:58:18.000 And like the tough fighters.

01:58:19.000 And doing it for so many years.

01:58:21.000 I'm like, the odds that you're going to be around in two years are so...

01:58:24.000 Not good.

01:58:25.000 Yeah, they're not good, man.

01:58:27.000 I'm like, you're loving life right now.

01:58:27.000 I like talking to them.

01:58:29.000 Enjoy that shit.

01:58:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:30.000 Enjoy it.

01:58:32.000 People weren't lasting.

01:58:33.000 Look, you look at the UFC eight years ago.

01:58:35.000 You put on a UFC, I mean, these fighters aren't...

01:58:37.000 It's so hard.

01:58:40.000 You know the average career is a year and a half.

01:58:42.000 Exactly!

01:58:42.000 Average career in the NFL is three and a half years.

01:58:45.000 If you know this right away, it's like a scared straight program.

01:58:48.000 All these little kids that want to be fucking MMA fighters.

01:58:51.000 You put them through a scared straight and you have them sit down and fucking...

01:58:54.000 I don't want to say any names, but I mean, there's guys that are just fucking broken from it.

01:58:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:00.000 What were you going to say, Joe?

01:59:02.000 What were you going to say, Ted?

01:59:03.000 I don't know.

01:59:03.000 I think that's a different thing.

01:59:04.000 It's a hard life.

01:59:05.000 Like, that's the thing of a guy going, I want to make my living as a fighter, and I want to be, like, I'm looking at the lights, and I go, ooh, I want to be George St. Pierre or something, as opposed to dudes that are real motherfuckers that are going, I just like this.

01:59:18.000 I like to do this.

01:59:19.000 Whether there was money or not, my heart needs this expression in this venue, and I want to feel that pressure and see who I am under that.

01:59:27.000 Like, that's a whole different kind of thing.

01:59:29.000 You're talking about one guy.

01:59:30.000 No.

01:59:31.000 What I wanted to ask you was, what do you think about all this class-action lawsuit stuff that's going on?

01:59:36.000 Oh, shit.

01:59:37.000 I couldn't believe that recently, I couldn't believe that Mac Danzig and Gabe Rudiger became a part of it.

01:59:43.000 There's a new class-action lawsuit with those guys.

01:59:45.000 I've had people hit me up.

01:59:46.000 What?

01:59:46.000 Okay.

01:59:46.000 So you're crazy.

01:59:47.000 What does it mean?

01:59:49.000 What are they doing?

01:59:50.000 I'm not understanding what a guy who's like a gay Rudiger, what could he be suing for?

01:59:57.000 Honestly, I don't know the details on what they're suing for.

02:00:00.000 I just know they want the fighters to have more of a say and get paid better.

02:00:06.000 That's what they're aiming for.

02:00:07.000 Right, but a class action lawsuit.

02:00:08.000 And concussions.

02:00:11.000 But what are they saying?

02:00:14.000 Did you know?

02:00:15.000 No, I don't know.

02:00:16.000 I've been approached several times.

02:00:18.000 Damn.

02:00:19.000 And I'm not touching it.

02:00:21.000 Just for the record, I'm not touching it.

02:00:23.000 I make a very good living messing with the UFC. I feel like it's a bunch of people, especially lawyers that are getting involved in this, they recognize that there's blood in the water.

02:00:33.000 There's a guy that called me...

02:00:36.000 That called me and goes, do you know anybody that wants to get involved in this?

02:00:39.000 And he's just some random lawyer from fucking Texas.

02:00:41.000 That was like two weeks ago.

02:00:43.000 This is grosser than grosser.

02:00:45.000 Do you think a guy like Gabe Rudiger or a guy like Mac Danzig, who Mac had a good career, won the Ultimate Fighter, and had decided he wasn't taking shots well anymore and wrote a very eloquent piece about it.

02:00:57.000 And I respect Mac a lot.

02:00:58.000 He's a very smart dude.

02:00:59.000 When I see him, that he's in it, I go, wow, I wonder what this is.

02:01:04.000 And I wonder, like, I mean, total speculation, I would have to ask, but if some guys are like, you know, hey, this is the end of my career, I'm not fighting anymore, so I don't have to worry about pissing them off.

02:01:14.000 Like, I don't want them to hire me again.

02:01:15.000 That's what it is.

02:01:18.000 Let's do it.

02:01:19.000 I think it's combination of some dudes being like, the sport needs to change.

02:01:24.000 And it does.

02:01:25.000 Dana knows this.

02:01:25.000 Everyone in this room knows this.

02:01:27.000 Certain things have to change.

02:01:28.000 If the fighters had a union, there's no reason we shouldn't.

02:01:31.000 There's no reason we shouldn't.

02:01:33.000 Every other major leagues do.

02:01:34.000 Yeah, the unions that exist in other sports, they benefit the players, for sure.

02:01:39.000 But I think...

02:01:41.000 The difference being that there's a bunch of different teams.

02:01:44.000 Like say if Seattle doesn't want you anymore and then Boston wants you, there's like New England wants you, you can travel around and be a part of different teams and that's where most of the negotiation takes place.

02:01:53.000 With the UFC, the issue that people have is that there's a UFC. There's no teams.

02:01:58.000 It's just like everybody's playing for the same team.

02:02:00.000 There's one fucking team.

02:02:01.000 That team's the UFC. It's not the NFL because the NFL is comprised of a bunch of different businesses.

02:02:07.000 People own the Seattle Seahawks.

02:02:09.000 They own the Miami Dolphins.

02:02:11.000 They Own the Raiders.

02:02:12.000 But they're all under one branch.

02:02:14.000 They're all under the NFL umbrella.

02:02:17.000 And part of this union is when...

02:02:20.000 So these, just for the NFL, these NFL players are destroying their bodies, destroying their brains for whatever, the average career is three and a half years.

02:02:30.000 So they're saying, for those three and a half years, what we've given you, we should be compensated for down the road, which is 100%.

02:02:36.000 Yeah, there's without a doubt, there's some merit in that.

02:02:39.000 There's definitely some merit if they were ignorant to the facts, but now the facts have been exposed, you know, which is the claim about concussions and NFL. I mean, I think this goes with boxing, this goes with MMA, this goes with everything.

02:02:52.000 Once it's all out on the table and, like, the medical facts and everything are in order, like, You've got to say, okay, you didn't know, and they didn't know, but now you do know, okay?

02:03:03.000 So now if you do know, you have a certain amount of responsibility to take care of the people that are under your protection.

02:03:08.000 So what does it entail to have CTE? What are the issues that these athletes could possibly be dealing with?

02:03:15.000 So you've got to mitigate whatever the issues that come along with those athletes being concussed on a regular basis.

02:03:22.000 You've got to mitigate that.

02:03:23.000 You've got to mitigate it by management.

02:03:25.000 You've got to mitigate it by counseling, whether it's having someone who's a sports psychologist, having someone who's a neurosurgeon or a neuroscientist, rather, that can give them examinations, CAT scans, all that jazz.

02:03:38.000 They should check you out on a regular basis.

02:03:40.000 And that's great, but those guys should also be compensated down the road for risking their life being the entertainers.

02:03:47.000 Well, certainly.

02:03:48.000 Being the elephant in the circus.

02:03:50.000 I should have peanuts for the rest of my life.

02:03:51.000 Peanuts up in this bitch.

02:03:53.000 You start all that, though, but what about any kid that goes into football?

02:04:01.000 You're playing football throughout...

02:04:05.000 Throughout junior high school and high school, are those parents subject to child abuse then?

02:04:10.000 Because you're putting your kid in a position where they're getting concussed steady.

02:04:13.000 I think you got a good point, man.

02:04:15.000 I think that's a real good point.

02:04:16.000 It's a good point, but those kids aren't dedicating their lives to football in high school.

02:04:20.000 The fuck, they aren't.

02:04:21.000 Ah, not really.

02:04:22.000 Some of them are, man.

02:04:23.000 Some of them are.

02:04:24.000 Some of them are.

02:04:25.000 I mean, there's some kids who realize that it's their Willie Walker golden ticket.

02:04:29.000 Their parents realize it.

02:04:31.000 You got a big kid.

02:04:32.000 Like, say, Brendan Chopp.

02:04:33.000 I know you're happily involved, but what if some big Serena Williams-looking bitch with just like the perfect boot...

02:04:38.000 I say bitch with all due respect.

02:04:40.000 But a beautiful, super athlete is what I'm trying to say.

02:04:40.000 Of course.

02:04:43.000 If some enormous fucking volleyball player...

02:04:46.000 Like, what was that chick's name?

02:04:48.000 Gabriella Reese?

02:04:49.000 Okay.

02:04:49.000 If she wanted to sling some eggs your way.

02:04:52.000 Make some little LeBron James.

02:04:53.000 Make some fucking savages.

02:04:54.000 Make some X-Men babies.

02:04:55.000 And then you realize, but maybe you're a dude who, like, you know, you always wanted to coach.

02:05:00.000 You know, you always wanted to coach a little guy from the jump.

02:05:03.000 So you get this little motherfucker, and you're like, listen.

02:05:06.000 That's me, buddy!

02:05:07.000 You're like, listen, you little motherfucker, you got some killer genes.

02:05:10.000 Some savage genes.

02:05:11.000 We're gonna make some money!

02:05:13.000 Hell yeah!

02:05:13.000 Come on, son.

02:05:14.000 And your kid's like, Daddy, but I want to paint flowers.

02:05:16.000 I wish I was born a girl.

02:05:17.000 Nah, bitch.

02:05:18.000 Get the football.

02:05:19.000 Get the football.

02:05:21.000 Look at these guys.

02:05:22.000 They're hot.

02:05:22.000 You can beat them up.

02:05:23.000 Hey, Max Holloway and our boy Cole Miller.

02:05:25.000 Ready to go at it.

02:05:26.000 Oh, shit.

02:05:26.000 We gotta pay Cole Miller some respect.

02:05:28.000 I love that dude.

02:05:29.000 Fuck yeah.

02:05:30.000 Cole Miller's a savage.

02:05:32.000 He's a savage.

02:05:33.000 He's a good dude.

02:05:34.000 He's a fun guy to hang with.

02:05:36.000 He's always down to throw down.

02:05:38.000 He's going to come at you 100%.

02:05:40.000 Max Holloway's a bad motherfucker, too.

02:05:41.000 Cole Miller never goes backwards.

02:05:43.000 I think Max's strike is going to be the difference.

02:05:45.000 If Max can get off, he's going to win.

02:05:47.000 Max is taking...

02:05:48.000 How about fucking Cole Miller's strike?

02:05:49.000 He's pretty goddamn good.

02:05:50.000 He knocked out Ross Pearson with a left hook.

02:05:52.000 This is true.

02:05:53.000 Yeah, it's a very good fight.

02:05:53.000 It's a good fight.

02:05:55.000 That's huge.

02:05:55.000 Ross Pearson is a fucking beast.

02:05:57.000 Cole Miller's jiu-jitsu on the ground.

02:05:59.000 Cole Miller's whole family is down to struggle.

02:06:03.000 His dad still fights.

02:06:03.000 His dad fights.

02:06:05.000 His dad's my age.

02:06:06.000 In MMA? Yes!

02:06:07.000 In MMA, I sound like my old school.

02:06:09.000 Dude, his dad's a savage.

02:06:10.000 His dad is cool as fuck, too.

02:06:13.000 And then his brother fights.

02:06:14.000 His brother Mike is cool as fuck.

02:06:15.000 Brother and father all fight.

02:06:17.000 All cool as fuck.

02:06:17.000 Damn.

02:06:18.000 Yeah.

02:06:18.000 All of them cool as fuck.

02:06:20.000 Micah Miller.

02:06:21.000 They're all brain drama.

02:06:23.000 They're all game as fuck, man.

02:06:25.000 They're ready to throw.

02:06:26.000 Yeah, they're just like, you don't want to fucking burglarize their house.

02:06:31.000 Hey, your boy Diaz, what do you tell him?

02:06:33.000 Joey?

02:06:34.000 You want to see him fight more?

02:06:35.000 Oh, Nick?

02:06:36.000 Well, I think Nick is going to take a well-deserved vacation now.

02:06:39.000 I hope they don't take any money away from him.

02:06:40.000 I don't know what happens with the weed thing.

02:06:42.000 I hope it's a small fine.

02:06:43.000 He didn't get a small fine.

02:06:44.000 He only fights once every two years anyway, so it's not a big deal.

02:06:47.000 I hope it's no big deal because I think it's stupid.

02:06:49.000 Unless he's high when he's fighting.

02:06:52.000 So what?

02:06:53.000 It's a stupid law.

02:06:54.000 I'm with you, brother.

02:06:56.000 My concern always with these kind of things is like, what are they doing that's helping them fight?

02:07:03.000 And could there be an argument that smoking weed helps his jiu-jitsu and that it helps his training and helps his cardio when he trains?

02:07:09.000 Yeah, there could be an argument.

02:07:11.000 There was a recent argument about ultramarathoners.

02:07:11.000 Yes, there is.

02:07:16.000 There was this talk about how they're able to run ultramarathons way easier when they get high.

02:07:22.000 Yeah, they run a straight line.

02:07:24.000 No, these guys are running over hills.

02:07:26.000 Yeah, but they're still running straight.

02:07:27.000 It's like, go that way.

02:07:28.000 High as fuck.

02:07:29.000 It's hard, man.

02:07:30.000 What's happening with the marijuana is it reduces inflammation and it allows you to numb the pain.

02:07:37.000 Like, you're not thinking about it.

02:07:39.000 Your brain doesn't give a fuck.

02:07:40.000 You're seeing it knocked out.

02:07:42.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:43.000 I don't think it's performance enhancing.

02:07:46.000 It is for jiu-jitsu.

02:07:48.000 Apparently, unless it's bullshit, it has been written that marijuana actually opens lung passageways.

02:07:55.000 It actually opens your lungs.

02:07:56.000 What are you saying about basketball, Jamie?

02:07:58.000 That could be bullshit, but that's what they're saying.

02:07:59.000 They're saying that that's what happens.

02:08:00.000 Hold on a second.

02:08:01.000 What?

02:08:01.000 It's performance enhancing in basketball.

02:08:03.000 Performance enhancing, like they test for it?

02:08:05.000 They don't test for it.

02:08:06.000 They don't test for it.

02:08:07.000 But you think it's performance enhancing when people do it?

02:08:09.000 Yeah, it slows down things, makes the hoop bigger.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 No, it does.

02:08:14.000 It makes it feel, look, I'll tell you what, it works with pool.

02:08:16.000 No, but that whole thing, that time dilation, that's a real thing.

02:08:20.000 It helps with concentration.

02:08:20.000 Like, all that stuff about being into the zone, like, that's, there's a lot of studies into that.

02:08:25.000 He's describing how...

02:08:26.000 Guys can't talk over each other.

02:08:27.000 There's this book called The Rise of Superman that they went into all these studies about the zone, about being in that flow, and about time dilation, and weed, like, cannabis does that for people.

02:08:36.000 It gets you into that state quicker where you become a heightened, more alert animal.

02:08:41.000 Yeah, it can for some people.

02:08:43.000 Nick Diaz loves it.

02:08:44.000 If you let Nick Diaz smoke weed, he'd probably fight better on weed.

02:08:48.000 It helps your cardio, man.

02:08:50.000 It just does.

02:08:51.000 People don't want to admit that, but marathon runners report that.

02:08:54.000 They report it makes it easier for them to go hard longer.

02:08:58.000 Alright, let's say it does all this shit.

02:09:00.000 Either way, Anderson Silva was on some anabolic shit.

02:09:06.000 That's illegal.

02:09:06.000 We know for a fact that helps.

02:09:09.000 For a fact.

02:09:10.000 No, there's no argument there.

02:09:11.000 There's no argument there.

02:09:12.000 The real question is, is it helping Nick during his training?

02:09:16.000 Like, is it a performance enhancer?

02:09:17.000 Does it allow him to train in a better way?

02:09:20.000 But, you know what?

02:09:22.000 Guess what, though, dude?

02:09:23.000 So does a lot of shit that people do.

02:09:25.000 So does this goddamn cryotherapy that we do.

02:09:27.000 That cryotherapy allows people to recover quicker.

02:09:29.000 So does creatine.

02:09:30.000 Fish oil.

02:09:31.000 There's a lot of shit that benefits.

02:09:33.000 Make weed illegal.

02:09:34.000 How about caffeine?

02:09:36.000 How about caffeine?

02:09:37.000 I got a question for you.

02:09:40.000 Ben, as well, if they decided to just legalize steroids, everyone could use steroids, would we see fighters jumping up in weight or staying right where the fuck they're at?

02:09:52.000 I'd look like fucking Alistair Overeem in 2012 right now.

02:09:56.000 No, seriously, would you?

02:09:57.000 If it was legal, you would?

02:10:00.000 If it was legal, you would.

02:10:02.000 And you would get bigger?

02:10:03.000 You'd want to get bigger?

02:10:05.000 I don't know what I would do.

02:10:06.000 Would you get bigger if it was legal?

02:10:07.000 Would you use it?

02:10:09.000 They say, we're going to legalize it, it's stupid.

02:10:11.000 At that point, I'd say, show me the money.

02:10:15.000 If I got to go up, you get the money and it's legal.

02:10:17.000 Exactly.

02:10:18.000 So most people would just stay the same, right?

02:10:21.000 Yeah, but you're talking to heavyweight.

02:10:23.000 I would look like...

02:10:23.000 Ben, step up on that mic real quick.

02:10:26.000 That's a difference.

02:10:26.000 For you though, it wouldn't really be effective to add more muscle mass.

02:10:31.000 You're optimized physically for your frame at 170. Do you agree?

02:10:35.000 So if you were going to go to 185, not that you wanted to do it, but if you wanted to do it, if you looked at it super objectively with no desperation at all, what's the most intelligent way to plan that out?

02:10:35.000 I would say so.

02:10:49.000 How long do you think you would take to put on that kind of mask and keep and be comfortable?

02:10:54.000 Oh, to go to heavyweight?

02:10:55.000 Yeah, no, no.

02:10:56.000 No, 185. If you were going to go to 185, you really decided, I'm going to be a middleweight fighter now.

02:11:00.000 I'm going to abandon this idea of cutting weight and staying lean and restricting my calories and dehydrating myself.

02:11:06.000 How big would you want to get?

02:11:09.000 I mean, I'd roughly just try to do the same thing I'm doing for 170, just obviously we're dealing with 15 pounds heavier.

02:11:17.000 What would you do?

02:11:18.000 Would you give yourself a year?

02:11:22.000 My first four fights were at 185, but I was stepping on the scale with my jeans on.

02:11:30.000 That was lower level though, right?

02:11:31.000 Like lower level.

02:11:33.000 It was my first four fights.

02:11:35.000 You're saying if I was in the UFC and I had a fight at 185, I mean, honestly, I don't know the science behind my body type and how long it would take me to produce that much additional muscle mass.

02:11:46.000 But it's something that you would have to really consider, right?

02:11:49.000 Yeah, like if I was going up to 185, I don't know.

02:11:51.000 If I was going up to 185...

02:11:52.000 But if it was your choice, you wouldn't even do it.

02:11:54.000 No, no, no.

02:11:55.000 If Storrs were legal, you'd stay the same, right?

02:11:57.000 Well, the reason why I was asking was one reason is because Henderson tonight just fought at 155 like a month ago, and now he's stepping in here tonight, and he's fighting Thatch, who's a giant fucking welterweight.

02:12:11.000 Walked around.

02:12:12.000 He'll be 190 in the cage.

02:12:14.000 He's a big boy.

02:12:15.000 6'2", 190. He's long, lean, and he's super aggressive.

02:12:20.000 Great striker.

02:12:21.000 But Ben Henderson's 180 right now.

02:12:23.000 Yeah.

02:12:23.000 No.

02:12:24.000 No, 170. That's what he was when he was cutting to 55, but since then, I bet he probably gained at least five pounds.

02:12:30.000 I bet he gained five pounds, so maybe he's like 180. Well, who knows, man.

02:12:34.000 Maybe he'll be better at 170 where he's not dehydrating himself.

02:12:37.000 Maybe he'll be like a Rumble Johnson type situation.

02:12:40.000 Joe, don't you think like...

02:12:42.000 Steroids and PEDs benefit really 185 and above, because those bladder guys really aren't, then maybe they're using EPO, who knows, but they're really not going to use the anabolic thing because they can't put on that muscle.

02:12:52.000 Maybe not the anabolic stuff.

02:12:53.000 I'd say it's more prevalent at the higher weight classes.

02:12:56.000 It would help for recovery during training.

02:12:58.000 Yeah.

02:12:59.000 But they've got to cut weight.

02:13:00.000 I bet a lot of them use a little durr.

02:13:02.000 Just a little bit for recovery.

02:13:03.000 But like if you could do growth and a little test all the time to stay recovered and do two a days all the way through and not suffer overtraining as much, And then get clean?

02:13:11.000 You ain't gonna gain that much weight.

02:13:13.000 Like that Belko dude, man, he was interesting as fuck to talk to, man.

02:13:16.000 Yeah, he's a fascinating guy, and you know what, man?

02:13:18.000 One of the things he's been saying over and over again is that these testing techniques are ineffective, and that these urine tests are giving fighters are just, you know, and everybody was calling bullshit on them.

02:13:28.000 He was saying these are just intelligent tests.

02:13:31.000 Yeah.

02:13:31.000 IQ tests, yeah.

02:13:32.000 What's Balco Cat's name?

02:13:32.000 What's his name?

02:13:33.000 Victor Conte.

02:13:34.000 That's right.

02:13:35.000 But I had him on the podcast.

02:13:36.000 Interesting cat.

02:13:37.000 But after it's all over, man, now he looks vindicated, in my opinion.

02:13:41.000 I mean, he's vindicated.

02:13:42.000 Goddamn Johnny Fitch.

02:13:43.000 What were they dogging him about?

02:13:44.000 I apologized to everybody when I said that John Fitch would never piss hot.

02:13:48.000 I said, BJ Penn and John Fitch, you guys will ever piss hot.

02:13:52.000 And when John Fitch pissed hot, I found out that Santa Claus wasn't real.

02:13:56.000 I really did.

02:13:57.000 I was like, I can't believe this.

02:13:58.000 Dude, he was looking huge in his last couple of fights.

02:13:59.000 Have you seen him in his last fight?

02:14:01.000 That's the first thing I noticed.

02:14:03.000 I'm like, that doesn't look like regular John Fitch.

02:14:05.000 John Fitch has some big biceps with giant water hose vein coming through.

02:14:10.000 I still wouldn't believe he's on PDs.

02:14:12.000 He's huge.

02:14:13.000 I still didn't believe it.

02:14:14.000 He's huge.

02:14:15.000 Do you think it's possible that it wasn't?

02:14:17.000 Is it possible?

02:14:18.000 No, I love when guys say that.

02:14:19.000 Dude, he's huge now.

02:14:20.000 I need another test.

02:14:21.000 He's fucking yoked.

02:14:22.000 Fucking get out of here.

02:14:24.000 Anderson Silva said the same shit.

02:14:26.000 Well, Anderson Silva's trainer.

02:14:27.000 Have you ever seen the picture of Anderson Silva's trainer?

02:14:29.000 Jack is 60. Hilarious.

02:14:32.000 He's 60 and he looks like the Hulk.

02:14:34.000 He's really close to him and he's his trainer.

02:14:36.000 That guy's always around Anderson.

02:14:38.000 Don't do what I do.

02:14:38.000 That guy's a good dude.

02:14:39.000 I like that guy.

02:14:40.000 He's like, I just ate that guy's sandwich.

02:14:41.000 I didn't ever inject anything.

02:14:44.000 We shared a lunch one time and he gave me a foot massage.

02:14:48.000 The guy shook my hand and I pissed off.

02:14:49.000 Yeah, what if they can prove that he gave him a back rub?

02:14:52.000 With hot cocoa butter.

02:14:53.000 The other thing, too, about going up in weight because of PEDs is that it doesn't, like, that bigger muscle mass isn't going to actually maybe dictate that you're going to have better use of that muscle mass.

02:15:03.000 You know what I mean?

02:15:04.000 You're just going to be heavy and slower.

02:15:05.000 Well, the lightest guy in the UFC in title fights that's pissed hot has been Ali Bagutinov.

02:15:11.000 For EP. He pissed off for EPO. Come on, son.

02:15:14.000 What are you doing fucking with EPO at that weight?

02:15:17.000 If you don't have cardio at that weight, kick rocks.

02:15:19.000 He wanted to be able to do what he does, which is he has this very kinetic style where he uses a lot of muscle.

02:15:19.000 You know what?

02:15:26.000 He explodes a lot, and that shit gets you goddamn exhausted.

02:15:30.000 You're 100%.

02:15:30.000 Do you think, like, is there a possibility?

02:15:32.000 But he's fighting Mighty Mouse, who's so the opposite of that.

02:15:35.000 Mighty Mouse is super technical.

02:15:37.000 He's always in the right position.

02:15:39.000 And even when he knocked out, like, Joseph Benavidez, it wasn't like some crazy wind-up punch, you know, that threw all his body weight into it.

02:15:46.000 It was just super technical.

02:15:47.000 So he could do that for 100 rounds.

02:15:50.000 If somebody wanted to fight Mighty Mouse for 100 rounds, he could probably fight you for 100 rounds.

02:15:53.000 Cole Miller just pulled guard.

02:15:55.000 Yeah, he was pulling guard earlier by the cage.

02:15:57.000 Look at that.

02:15:58.000 Look at that.

02:15:58.000 He pulled guard.

02:15:59.000 Do it.

02:16:03.000 Look at that!

02:16:04.000 Leg lock action.

02:16:06.000 I really believe leg locks are going to come back in a big way in MMA. This is the problem with leg locks right here.

02:16:24.000 See, I don't think he should punch right now.

02:16:25.000 I think he should defend the leg lock and get out of there.

02:16:27.000 Guys usually get tapped out when they go to punch strike before.

02:16:30.000 I don't know about that one.

02:16:32.000 I said punch him.

02:16:36.000 I'm not mad at her.

02:16:39.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:16:39.000 I'm gonna kick her out of my bed.

02:16:40.000 I just want to hug her.

02:16:42.000 Dude, you'd marry her.

02:16:43.000 I would not marry her.

02:16:44.000 If she wanted to marry you, if she called you on Twitter, she goes, oh my god, I love Brendan, let's go out to dinner, and you guys went out, hung out, and this is what I want to marry you.

02:16:53.000 My girl makes her look like Oscar the Grouse.

02:17:02.000 I'm just fucking with you.

02:17:04.000 Oscar the Grouch with tits is the greatest description of an unattractive woman ever.

02:17:10.000 Ever.

02:17:11.000 My girl makes her look like Oscar the Grouch with tits.

02:17:15.000 Holy shit, that's funny.

02:17:18.000 That's something Joey would say.

02:17:20.000 That's exactly like something Joey would say.

02:17:23.000 That is hilarious.

02:17:23.000 Is that what he's saying?

02:17:25.000 She looks like Oscar the Grouch with tits.

02:17:27.000 Sounds just like him.

02:17:32.000 She probably smells like him, too.

02:17:34.000 Lazy bitch.

02:17:35.000 See that bitch with her dirty feet coming here?

02:17:39.000 Boxy.

02:17:42.000 You don't want to be boxy at 22 either, by the way.

02:17:44.000 You really don't, because when you get 40...

02:17:46.000 32 will look different.

02:17:47.000 Yeah, 48's not going to look so hot.

02:17:49.000 40, you're going to be a hot mess.

02:17:50.000 It's a serious issue.

02:17:52.000 Girls will never talk about a guy's physical attribute.

02:17:55.000 He's got to get his ears worked on.

02:17:57.000 I know somebody in Beverly Hills.

02:18:00.000 He's just got to do something about those ears.

02:18:03.000 Well, I heard Rihanna, what do I, I'm like fucking TMZ. I heard Rihanna broke up with Leonardo DiCaprio because she said he just, he has too much of a belly.

02:18:10.000 They were dating?

02:18:11.000 Oh my god.

02:18:11.000 Yeah.

02:18:12.000 And she said he had too much of a belly?

02:18:14.000 Yeah, asked me a six-pack.

02:18:15.000 Good for her.

02:18:16.000 Really cool to fuck some like supermodel.

02:18:18.000 She's like, yeah, I'll get on that while he's balls deep in some supermodel.

02:18:22.000 Wow.

02:18:22.000 Cool story, bro.

02:18:23.000 And then just fucked some supermodel.

02:18:24.000 Where did you hear this story from?

02:18:29.000 I don't think he counts.

02:18:30.000 I'm on the interweb.

02:18:31.000 I'm on the underweb.

02:18:32.000 Cole Miller with the high kicker.

02:18:34.000 Oh, Max Holloway with the spitting back kick.

02:18:39.000 Probably Barstool.

02:18:40.000 You read Barstool?

02:18:42.000 Oh yeah, I'm all over that shit.

02:18:44.000 She's throwing him under the bus.

02:18:46.000 Yeah, I said he had too much of a gut.

02:18:48.000 That's hilarious.

02:18:50.000 Yeah, he doesn't have fucking time to work out because he's doing A-list movies all the goddamn time.

02:18:55.000 Over here picking up all these Oscars, bitch.

02:18:57.000 And blow.

02:18:59.000 And he's like, that's why Chris Brown whooped that ass, talking that way.

02:19:02.000 Dude, that Django performance?

02:19:04.000 That's aggressive.

02:19:05.000 Tate Fletcher just went there.

02:19:07.000 Did you hear that?

02:19:08.000 Did you see him in Django?

02:19:09.000 Did you not hear what Tate Fletcher just said?

02:19:10.000 He was incredible.

02:19:12.000 Oh my god, he was incredible.

02:19:13.000 Damn, Max Holloway just landed a nice right hand.

02:19:22.000 You know what you don't see that much at MMA that Roy McDonald does so well is that question mark kick.

02:19:31.000 Like I was just looking, Cole Miller grazed the top of his head with a kick.

02:19:34.000 And I was like, that kick where you come up and it looks like a front kick and then you turn into the Brazilian style.

02:19:40.000 Cerrone does it almost every foot.

02:19:42.000 Oh, he does a lot.

02:19:42.000 He pulled guard again, right?

02:19:43.000 It's another leg lock.

02:19:44.000 There he goes, look at that.

02:19:46.000 Rory does it really well.

02:19:47.000 I thought you were going to say...

02:19:48.000 Cerrone would knock a motherfucker out with it, though.

02:19:51.000 Cerrone's so good at it, man.

02:19:52.000 Yeah, that's...

02:19:53.000 Cerrone does KO a lot of dudes.

02:19:56.000 You know who's good at it, too?

02:19:58.000 The very first person I ever saw do it and knock a dude out?

02:20:02.000 Marquardt's good at it.

02:20:03.000 Nope.

02:20:04.000 Brandon Thatch.

02:20:05.000 Really?

02:20:06.000 Brandon Thad, you know how Pettis can do both?

02:20:09.000 Traditional softball?

02:20:11.000 Yeah.

02:20:11.000 Thad can do both like a motherfucker.

02:20:13.000 Oh no!

02:20:14.000 I poke!

02:20:15.000 Damn, it's bad too, son.

02:20:19.000 He's like looking for parts of his eye in his palm.

02:20:21.000 Damn!

02:20:22.000 Oh my god.

02:20:27.000 You ever seen Bisping's eye?

02:20:28.000 I shot a show with Bisping, his eye.

02:20:30.000 Shit ruins careers, man.

02:20:32.000 Oh my god, it's bleeding.

02:20:34.000 This is awful.

02:20:36.000 Is that the eyebrow that's bleeding or the eyeball that's bleeding?

02:20:39.000 I hope it's the eyebrow.

02:20:41.000 I hope it's the eyebrow.

02:20:42.000 Look at this.

02:20:46.000 Oh, it's a headbutt.

02:20:47.000 Oh, it's a headbutt.

02:20:48.000 Thank God.

02:20:49.000 I think it's just a cut.

02:20:50.000 It's only a headbutt.

02:20:51.000 No big deal.

02:20:52.000 Goddamn.

02:20:52.000 Unless it's a bad cut, then they're going to stop that bitch.

02:20:54.000 Especially if I'm out of the eye, son.

02:20:56.000 It's a horrible spot.

02:20:57.000 They'll stop.

02:20:58.000 Way better than what I imagined, though.

02:20:59.000 Oh, that's a big cut, man.

02:21:00.000 Which was his brain coming out through.

02:21:02.000 Oh, that's not that big.

02:21:02.000 It's the top of the eyebrow.

02:21:05.000 I'm looking at the blood coming down the corner, and I was assuming that that whole thing was cut.

02:21:08.000 I don't think it is.

02:21:09.000 That was my first ref in the UFC. Well, the referee said they keep going, but he said, you've got to clean my eye.

02:21:15.000 Yeah, it's like going in my eyes.

02:21:17.000 Yeah, do they bring somebody in?

02:21:19.000 It looked like the ref was waving it off to me.

02:21:20.000 Yeah, he looked.

02:21:20.000 He was negative.

02:21:21.000 No, no, no.

02:21:23.000 But he's not going to clean it off.

02:21:24.000 I don't understand that.

02:21:25.000 Oh, he's pissed.

02:21:27.000 Ben, what do they do?

02:21:28.000 Don't they usually clean it off if there's a headbutt, like a cut like that?

02:21:32.000 They have to look at it?

02:21:33.000 If they have the doctor come in or someone come in and look at it, yeah, they usually...

02:21:36.000 That's what I would think they would do.

02:21:38.000 It's only if the fighter can't see, though, affecting his eyesight.

02:21:41.000 But it is right now.

02:21:42.000 It's affecting his eyesight.

02:21:43.000 He's trying to wipe it out of his eye.

02:21:44.000 But only if it's in the eye.

02:21:46.000 If it's going around the eye, they don't stop it.

02:21:47.000 If it's in the eye, they stop it.

02:21:49.000 The referee, rather, is coming over to talk to him.

02:21:52.000 He gets five minutes, right?

02:21:54.000 So he's saying, fuck it, let's go.

02:21:54.000 Five minutes, yeah.

02:21:56.000 He goes, yeah, let's go while I'm angry.

02:21:58.000 Sometime this fires guys up.

02:21:59.000 This could be the change of the match, you know what I'm saying?

02:22:01.000 Dude gets pissed.

02:22:02.000 Well, a dude like Cole Miller, he's been fighting angry since he was a baby.

02:22:07.000 That shit's in his jeans.

02:22:08.000 He's from the South.

02:22:12.000 Goldmiller can scrap.

02:22:13.000 He scraps.

02:22:15.000 Is that inside leg kick?

02:22:17.000 I don't know if anyone knows, but Max and Ben Henderson have the exact same back tattoo.

02:22:23.000 Identical.

02:22:24.000 That's true.

02:22:25.000 No, but isn't Benson's like angel wings and his is like one angel and one devil?

02:22:29.000 Is it?

02:22:30.000 I think Max, one of them is like a devil wing and one of them is an angel wing.

02:22:34.000 I'm not sure.

02:22:35.000 Someone has that.

02:22:36.000 Both have two wings.

02:22:38.000 Yeah, that's wings.

02:22:39.000 That right one's a little different.

02:22:41.000 Yeah, they're two different.

02:22:41.000 Is it?

02:22:42.000 Let me see what he turns around.

02:22:42.000 Let me see.

02:22:43.000 I know, we can't see.

02:22:45.000 There is one fighter...

02:22:46.000 Yeah, they're both different.

02:22:47.000 Maybe they're just two different kinds of birds.

02:22:49.000 But one dude has it where one side looks like a bat wing.

02:22:53.000 Yeah, his looks like a bat wing.

02:22:55.000 His right one looks like a bat wing.

02:22:57.000 That left one looks like a bat wing.

02:22:58.000 We were talking about back tattoos.

02:22:59.000 This is getting real gay, boys.

02:23:01.000 Ooh, nice body kick.

02:23:02.000 We haven't gone low yet.

02:23:03.000 Full middle.

02:23:07.000 You know, sponsors like Alienware, it's going to be weird when they're not allowed to sponsor UFC fights.

02:23:12.000 I've been used to seeing that Alien logo for so far.

02:23:15.000 Yeah, it is.

02:23:15.000 One of them is like a devil window, right?

02:23:17.000 Yeah, you're right.

02:23:18.000 Yeah.

02:23:19.000 Oh, shit!

02:23:20.000 That combo was nasty.

02:23:21.000 You had the liver.

02:23:23.000 That was Thai crunch.

02:23:28.000 But it's going to be sad seeing those sponsors go.

02:23:32.000 They're all gone.

02:23:33.000 I'm going to miss them.

02:23:34.000 Especially Alienware, man.

02:23:36.000 They've been around so long supporting fighters.

02:23:39.000 I bought an Alienware computer.

02:23:40.000 I even used them to sponsor my podcast just to sort of...

02:23:43.000 They're still Bellator?

02:23:44.000 To say that, you know, just to respect them.

02:23:47.000 Because, you know, it's like it's a big deal.

02:23:50.000 Think about Hayabusa.

02:23:51.000 They've been around the grip for a while.

02:23:52.000 Yes, they have.

02:23:54.000 Hayabusa makes the best ankle straps.

02:23:56.000 They cover the whole instep.

02:23:58.000 They're the only brand that covers the whole instep.

02:24:00.000 Kill it for lockdowns.

02:24:02.000 We can't see it all.

02:24:04.000 Padding?

02:24:05.000 Am I wrong?

02:24:05.000 Or no?

02:24:06.000 It's kind of like padding, too.

02:24:08.000 Their tie pads are the shit, man.

02:24:10.000 They're the best tie pads.

02:24:12.000 There's a real difference in how they feel to the guy who holds them.

02:24:15.000 Yeah.

02:24:16.000 After I'd be done holding them with you, my triceps would be burning up, man.

02:24:20.000 For like a day.

02:24:21.000 I'm super sore, but now...

02:24:23.000 How long have you guys been training together?

02:24:25.000 Two and a half years, maybe, I think.

02:24:26.000 That's a long time.

02:24:27.000 He's screaming twice.

02:24:29.000 Have you seen those...

02:24:30.000 Oh, that's a bad cut, man.

02:24:32.000 That looks a horrible cut.

02:24:33.000 Bad place.

02:24:33.000 Have you seen the focus mitts that are shaped like a head?

02:24:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:24:36.000 Terrible ideas.

02:24:37.000 No.

02:24:37.000 Are they cool?

02:24:38.000 Terrible?

02:24:39.000 I think it's cool.

02:24:40.000 Oh my god, it's huge.

02:24:41.000 Jesus Christ.

02:24:43.000 I think it's a great idea.

02:24:44.000 Have you seen this fucking cut?

02:24:46.000 House, son.

02:24:47.000 Dude, did you see the cut?

02:24:48.000 It got bigger?

02:24:49.000 I think it got bigger.

02:24:50.000 And big cut.

02:24:51.000 His final punch when he was in the guard right before the bell was right on the button again.

02:24:57.000 Yeah.

02:24:57.000 Oh, really?

02:24:58.000 See, that's kind of fucked up, right?

02:24:59.000 Oh, look at this.

02:25:01.000 Nope, that's nothing.

02:25:02.000 Right there.

02:25:03.000 Terrible highlight.

02:25:04.000 But it's not like a headbutt.

02:25:05.000 It's just like he's rubbing...

02:25:07.000 It's just going into his eye, man.

02:25:10.000 It's unfortunate that your eye's fucked up, but...

02:25:12.000 Well, it might have kind of known it was a little fucked up when he's scrubbing his head in there.

02:25:17.000 Let's be honest.

02:25:18.000 Well, for sure.

02:25:19.000 I mean, he's aware his head is hitting the cut.

02:25:23.000 It's pretty bad, though.

02:25:24.000 It's a lot worse than I thought it was.

02:25:25.000 He's drooping in front of his eye.

02:25:28.000 Yeah, but when a company like Hayabusa takes something like tie pads that have existed forever and just makes an improvement like that where, you know, you could absorb harder kicks with them.

02:25:38.000 The way they can make their cushioning, whatever it is, it doesn't hurt nearly as hard when someone's kicking them down.

02:25:45.000 Have you guys ever had blood in your eye?

02:25:46.000 You ever had blood in your eye?

02:25:47.000 I think not a boost is going to sponsor you on this show.

02:25:50.000 It's a fucking beast.

02:25:51.000 Because the oil, the oil, you can swipe and it just doesn't go away.

02:25:55.000 It's like having a film of straight motor oil in your eye.

02:25:58.000 You just can't get it off.

02:25:59.000 It sucks, man.

02:26:01.000 Everything's blurry.

02:26:02.000 Cole, he's in trouble, man.

02:26:06.000 Max Holloway is a tough kid, man.

02:26:08.000 And he's had some tough fucking fights in the UFC, but he's always there.

02:26:12.000 He fought Conor, right?

02:26:12.000 Yeah, he fought Conor when he made a decision because Conor blew his ankle or his ACL out.

02:26:17.000 Bro, I met up with Conor yesterday.

02:26:19.000 He was in Venice.

02:26:19.000 He's a big ass dude.

02:26:21.000 Is he?

02:26:22.000 Hell yeah, he's big.

02:26:23.000 Conor who?

02:26:24.000 McGregor.

02:26:25.000 I get to 145 like a professional.

02:26:25.000 How tall is he?

02:26:28.000 Fuck, he's big, man.

02:26:29.000 He's a G, dude.

02:26:30.000 He's super big, dude.

02:26:33.000 He's gotta get by Jose Aldo.

02:26:36.000 Oh, oh, oh, oh!

02:26:37.000 That's a tough...

02:26:39.000 But if he gets by Jose Aldo, Conor McGregor versus Anthony Pettis.

02:26:45.000 Think about fucking that.

02:26:47.000 I agree.

02:26:48.000 That's gonna be a different fight for Conor right now.

02:26:51.000 Yeah, but wait a minute.

02:26:51.000 What about Frankie Edgar?

02:26:53.000 What about Cole Swanson?

02:26:54.000 What are you trying to do?

02:26:56.000 You want to see him lose?

02:26:57.000 No, we need Pettis.

02:26:59.000 Do you think that Frankie Edgar will beat him?

02:27:02.000 He's going to wrestle him.

02:27:02.000 Yes.

02:27:04.000 Listen, I love Frankie, but I'm Team Conor after yesterday, man.

02:27:07.000 He's a good dude.

02:27:08.000 I'm all Team Conor.

02:27:10.000 With the right matchups, that kid, I think he's our biggest star.

02:27:14.000 I love Frankie Edgar.

02:27:14.000 Easily.

02:27:16.000 Me too.

02:27:16.000 I love Conor McGregor too.

02:27:18.000 I don't want to pick a side.

02:27:19.000 I love Cobb Swanson.

02:27:20.000 I love Cobb Swanson too.

02:27:23.000 Part of me that was so impressed with Frankie after that Cub Swanson fight, I think it's a crime to not give him a title shot after that fight.

02:27:30.000 I agree.

02:27:31.000 I think it's a crime.

02:27:32.000 The difference between beating Cub Swanson like that and beating Dennis Seaver at the end of his rope is that it's totally different.

02:27:37.000 You know why it's a crime?

02:27:38.000 Because think about what Frankie's gone through.

02:27:40.000 Think about Frankie's rope.

02:27:42.000 But the thing is, if you get Frankie Conner, you're going to destroy two superstars.

02:27:46.000 You can't do that, man.

02:27:48.000 Well, it's too much for Conor.

02:27:50.000 You throw Conor, Jose Aldo, that is the matchup of the century.

02:27:55.000 I think you give Frankie the fight with Aldo, okay?

02:27:58.000 Whoever wins that fight, then Conor fights that.

02:28:01.000 That's how I would do it.

02:28:02.000 I'd give Conor one more warm-up and then give him all that.

02:28:05.000 Money-wise, they make the most of Conor fighting Aldo.

02:28:07.000 If he wins, Conor versus Frankie.

02:28:10.000 I like seeing Jose Aldo right now.

02:28:14.000 I like that as a fan.

02:28:16.000 Exactly.

02:28:16.000 I love it.

02:28:17.000 The UFC knows that.

02:28:18.000 See Conor, Jose Aldo right now.

02:28:20.000 And the UFC knows that.

02:28:21.000 We're all grey elephants, and you got this pink elephant, Conor.

02:28:25.000 That's the way they matchmake in Japan.

02:28:25.000 He's a beast.

02:28:27.000 They think of a fucking matchup and they do it.

02:28:29.000 You don't have to build up the shit.

02:28:31.000 It's like, let's make it happen right now.

02:28:34.000 And I'm happy about it.

02:28:35.000 As Conor's management, I'm like, bro, let's get one more.

02:28:39.000 You're going to fight kind of a grappler wrestler.

02:28:41.000 Because don't get it twisted.

02:28:42.000 All those are black belts.

02:28:44.000 It goes to the ground.

02:28:45.000 There's gonna be some issues there, and he can wrestle.

02:28:47.000 He's hard as fuck to take down, too.

02:28:49.000 I'd say you give him one more matchup with kind of a grappler guy who's gonna try and take him down.

02:28:53.000 I think Conor is gonna...

02:28:55.000 I think Conor's gonna hurt him standing.

02:28:59.000 I don't think it's gonna go to the ground.

02:29:00.000 I think he really hits that hard.

02:29:02.000 How many more fights do we have to see?

02:29:05.000 You know why he's so confident?

02:29:07.000 Is I really think that everyone that he's training with is going, holy shit!

02:29:11.000 This guy hits so hard, and he's like, He's fucking everybody up.

02:29:13.000 That's the confidence he has.

02:29:15.000 He's proving it.

02:29:15.000 And you know what?

02:29:17.000 He hit Dennis Seaver with a couple shots and Dennis Seaver started buckling quick.

02:29:21.000 Those are some powerful shots.

02:29:24.000 I think he became stiff once he felt the power.

02:29:26.000 Nah, he was stiff from when he flew in on Tuesday.

02:29:29.000 Yeah, but the way he knocked out Dustin Poirier, nobody ever did that before.

02:29:32.000 He clipped him on the top of his head.

02:29:34.000 I think he's so confident because he knows that these guys at 45 can take his power.

02:29:40.000 All those are different animals.

02:29:41.000 He's not saying the guys at 55 could take his power.

02:29:43.000 I wouldn't be surprised if...

02:29:45.000 Let's say he beats Jose Alza and he's going to fight Anthony Pettis, right?

02:29:49.000 I wouldn't be surprised if Conor said, Hey, I knew for a fact I could beat all those guys at 145. I knew there was no way they were going to handle my power.

02:29:57.000 Anthony Pettis is like me.

02:29:59.000 He's got serious power, crazy strikes.

02:30:01.000 This is like a 50-50 fight.

02:30:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:03.000 To overlook this guy would be stupid.

02:30:06.000 This guy's a beast.

02:30:07.000 He's just like me.

02:30:08.000 We'll see what happens.

02:30:09.000 Dos Anjos is fighting pedestal, man.

02:30:11.000 That's gonna be a good one.

02:30:13.000 Yes, yes.

02:30:14.000 Pettis just seems fucking unstoppable, dude.

02:30:17.000 He's so confident.

02:30:18.000 And you take him down, he submits you.

02:30:19.000 In a second.

02:30:21.000 Los Angeles grappling's a beast, man.

02:30:24.000 But Anthony Pettis can submit anybody.

02:30:27.000 He'll submit anybody.

02:30:27.000 I agree.

02:30:28.000 Ben Henderson, I agree.

02:30:29.000 That guy knows how to squeeze necks.

02:30:31.000 He knows how to take arms.

02:30:33.000 He's a finisher.

02:30:33.000 He's very good on the ground.

02:30:35.000 He's a finisher.

02:30:35.000 And the way he throws a strike so powerful with no wind-up, he just doesn't wind up.

02:30:40.000 Bam!

02:30:41.000 Right?

02:30:41.000 He throws him Taekwondo style.

02:30:43.000 Yeah, there's no way to beat him with power.

02:30:45.000 Dose Andrews is going to be a tougher fight for him, I think, though.

02:30:47.000 It's going to be a tough fight, but...

02:30:49.000 Well, the tough fight for him is Nurmagomedov.

02:30:51.000 Habib Nurmagomedov is the tough fight.

02:30:54.000 Dude, I'm trying to tell Cowboy, don't fight him, man.

02:30:57.000 Wait for your fucking title shot.

02:30:58.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:30:59.000 Because at 155, to get a title shot is going to be a fucking nightmare.

02:31:03.000 Is he going to fight that guy?

02:31:04.000 Pfft.

02:31:05.000 Is that the story?

02:31:06.000 Man.

02:31:07.000 So if you're trying to set that fight up, for sure, you just fought fucking six times in like nine weeks.

02:31:12.000 Take some time off.

02:31:14.000 Gangster!

02:31:14.000 Cowboy!

02:31:15.000 Woo!

02:31:15.000 Yeah, it's great to be gangster, but at a certain point his management needs to be like, dude, sit out, you'll fight the winner.

02:31:19.000 No matter what happens, he'll never fade away.

02:31:21.000 Cowboy will be around for as long as he can handle it.

02:31:23.000 Which is great, which is great.

02:31:24.000 If I'm his business manager, I'm saying, you wait for the title shot.

02:31:27.000 You've won what, six in a row?

02:31:29.000 And you get fired, too.

02:31:30.000 You'd be one of those shady managers that they fucking get on the underground and say, fuck!

02:31:34.000 Fuck Brendan.

02:31:35.000 Nah, you don't want me to come manager.

02:31:36.000 I'll take this bitch over.

02:31:37.000 You don't want me to manage, dudes.

02:31:39.000 You don't want me to do that.

02:31:41.000 How many manager stories have you heard?

02:31:43.000 Like manager after manager after manager.

02:31:44.000 But with Cowboy, it's easy.

02:31:46.000 Don't fight, bro.

02:31:47.000 Wait.

02:31:48.000 Wait, man.

02:31:48.000 You've done all this work.

02:31:49.000 We're in the gray opportunity.

02:31:51.000 You're going to get a title shot.

02:31:52.000 Let's wait.

02:31:53.000 Don't fight fucking Habib.

02:31:54.000 He might have to wait a long time, though.

02:31:57.000 Habib's ahead of him in line.

02:31:59.000 You know, I mean, there's a lot of fights out there.

02:32:02.000 I mean, he might have to wait a while.

02:32:05.000 You wait.

02:32:05.000 Title shots.

02:32:06.000 Think about how hard it is to get a title shot at 155. Are people waiting and denying...

02:32:10.000 Are they denying fights?

02:32:12.000 Vitor.

02:32:13.000 Vitor didn't...

02:32:14.000 That happens every now and then, but generally, Dana White offers a fighter, Joe Silva, and you fucking just do it, right?

02:32:18.000 When you're Donald Cerrone, and you're fucking, I mean, him and Dana...

02:32:22.000 He could command fights?

02:32:24.000 It's like stepbrothers.

02:32:25.000 They're boys.

02:32:27.000 Think how much he fought for him.

02:32:30.000 He fought Ben on a two week, three week notice.

02:32:34.000 And you win seven in a row?

02:32:38.000 Well, Cowboy wants to fight a lot.

02:32:41.000 I think he feels more comfortable when he fights a lot.

02:32:43.000 He gets better when he fights a lot.

02:32:45.000 So I would not go with that advice.

02:32:47.000 You wouldn't.

02:32:48.000 No, no.

02:32:49.000 Because he's not in line for an immediate title shot.

02:32:51.000 If he was in line for an immediate title shot, I would say, that's good advice, wait it out.

02:32:55.000 But he's not.

02:32:56.000 There's other guys ahead of him.

02:32:57.000 This shit could take a year.

02:32:58.000 Look, what if Pettis hurts himself again?

02:33:01.000 Okay, Pettis hurt himself with Gilbert.

02:33:03.000 A lot of people were saying, but that interim fight's no good, man.

02:33:07.000 Still champ.

02:33:08.000 Pettis hurt himself, had to go through surgery.

02:33:11.000 He's gone through at least two surgeries, and there was rumor that he hurt his hand or something after the fight with Gil, and it turned out that wasn't true.

02:33:19.000 If it was hurt, it was okay.

02:33:21.000 He could, you know, rest it, and it'll be fine.

02:33:24.000 Anything could happen.

02:33:25.000 Look at the fucking heavyweight division.

02:33:26.000 They had to have an interim title because at a certain point in time, it's like Kane's going through another charge.

02:33:31.000 They're like, Jesus fucking Christ.

02:33:32.000 And you can't wait around for a title shot if that's the situation.

02:33:36.000 The other thing is Cowboy fights so much better when he's active.

02:33:39.000 I think it's good general advice, I think, what you're saying.

02:33:42.000 But, like, Cowboy fights so much better and his head is in tune a lot better.

02:33:47.000 I just don't want to see him fight.

02:33:49.000 The thing is, so he takes off six months or whatever it is, and he comes back.

02:33:54.000 He's not going to get a tune-up fight.

02:33:55.000 He's going to fight somebody that's a fucking savage.

02:33:58.000 It's almost better for him to stay in the fucking woods, you know?

02:34:01.000 Almost, yeah.

02:34:03.000 Is woods bad or good?

02:34:05.000 What's the woods?

02:34:06.000 It's good.

02:34:08.000 I think, first of all, a guy like Nurmagomedov is an elite grappler.

02:34:14.000 And it'll show you where Cowboy's defense is and where his back game is.

02:34:19.000 Because Cowboy has a very nasty triangle that people forget about.

02:34:22.000 He's got a nasty game up.

02:34:24.000 Cowboy's a super finisher.

02:34:25.000 Very nasty off his back.

02:34:26.000 So I wouldn't say that he couldn't beat Nurmagomedov.

02:34:29.000 And if he did beat Nurmagomedov, especially if he fucking showed his versatility by submitting him, I mean, you would think if Cowboy's gonna win, like most people would say probably by knockout, right?

02:34:38.000 Like Nurmagomedov...

02:34:39.000 Stand up.

02:34:39.000 Yeah, he'd head kick him or something.

02:34:41.000 Yeah.

02:34:41.000 But, man, if he caught him with something on the ground, man, that would be even more impressive, in my opinion.

02:34:45.000 I mean, catch him in his own realm.

02:34:48.000 Nurmagomedov is the elite grappler.

02:34:49.000 Whether he could do that or not is a big if.

02:34:52.000 You know, like a guy like Nurmagomedov's been doing combat sambo, combat sambo world champion, and you watch him fight Dos Anjos, it's pretty obvious his grappling is on some next level shit.

02:35:03.000 Another level, man.

02:35:04.000 Because he just...

02:35:05.000 Took that dude to the ground any time he wanted to, ragdolled him, threw him away, pounded on his face, elbowed him.

02:35:13.000 And he beat Donald!

02:35:14.000 Dos Sanchos beat Donald!

02:35:15.000 And he beat Ben!

02:35:17.000 So you look at Conor McGregor, he's not fighting these elite grapplers.

02:35:22.000 So why does Cowboy have to fight this?

02:35:25.000 I think he wants to.

02:35:27.000 I think he wants to.

02:35:28.000 And if he wins, god damn, dude.

02:35:30.000 If he wins.

02:35:31.000 I mean, think about it.

02:35:31.000 He took the Benson fight with two weeks notice.

02:35:34.000 A lot of people think he didn't win.

02:35:36.000 It was a very close, controversial decision.

02:35:38.000 I thought, personally, I thought Henderson was going to get the nod.

02:35:41.000 I didn't re-watch the fights.

02:35:42.000 I'm not committed to that.

02:35:44.000 I'm not married to that.

02:35:45.000 But I think Benson was more effective.

02:35:48.000 He did more shit.

02:35:48.000 Got more things off.

02:35:50.000 And I knew Cowboy was pretty banged up going into that fight, too.

02:35:52.000 Especially after the way he was kicking Miles Jury's Yeah, he looked like a guy who just fought two weeks ago.

02:36:00.000 He still looked good, but took a head kick and fucking played it off.

02:36:05.000 He got head kicked at one point in time by Ben and played it off well.

02:36:09.000 You could see him stiffen up though.

02:36:10.000 He got rung.

02:36:13.000 It's tough, man.

02:36:14.000 You fight, and then you fight two weeks later, you're gonna be busted up.

02:36:17.000 Especially cutting that weight, man.

02:36:19.000 There has to be some sort of point of no return where your body's just like, dude, we can't keep doing this.

02:36:24.000 But then also, you look at Nurmagomedov, and he's been out for a long time.

02:36:28.000 He's had a knee surgery, and then I think he fucked something up again.

02:36:32.000 Like, I think he hurt his knee and then retrained too quick or something like that.

02:36:36.000 He's been out for a long time.

02:36:38.000 So he's healing up, trying to get back on the men, because they...

02:36:41.000 The reason why they gave Gil the title shot, I mean, I think Gil was supposed to get the title shot, but they were going to have, Nurmagomedov was in the mix, and they tried to offer him a big fight, but he couldn't take it because his knee was fucked up.

02:36:52.000 That was like about six months ago.

02:36:53.000 I forget what fight he couldn't take.

02:36:55.000 But, so, he's been out for a while, too, so it's not a bad time for Cowboy to catch him, you know, if you wanted to look at him.

02:37:02.000 Yeah, if you're going to catch him, yeah.

02:37:03.000 If you're going to catch him, it's not a bad time.

02:37:05.000 Are they both Greg Jackson?

02:37:06.000 They both trained.

02:37:08.000 No, one's A.K.A. No.

02:37:11.000 Rustom Habilov is Greg Jackson.

02:37:15.000 A lot of those crazy Russians.

02:37:18.000 And Benson beat Rustom Habilov.

02:37:21.000 Yep.

02:37:21.000 So that was a big win for him.

02:37:23.000 That fucking lightweight division is filled with murderers, man.

02:37:26.000 Just murderers in a row, man.

02:37:28.000 So many killers.

02:37:29.000 I think Dos Anjos has got a really good shot of beating Pettis.

02:37:32.000 I think he's got the best shot.

02:37:34.000 He's got a strong grappling game.

02:37:36.000 He's very physically strong.

02:37:37.000 Look at that Nate Diaz fight.

02:37:39.000 His grappling game is very strong.

02:37:41.000 He's very fucking big.

02:37:42.000 He's very fit.

02:37:43.000 His leg kicks are nasty as shit.

02:37:45.000 Yeah, he's worth his kickboxing, man.

02:37:46.000 Yeah, so it's like he's not an easy out on the feet.

02:37:50.000 It's not like Pettis could just light him up on the feet.

02:37:54.000 I think it's going to be on the feet.

02:37:58.000 It'll be interesting to see if Pettis can get off.

02:38:00.000 Pettis is definitely quicker.

02:38:01.000 He's definitely more experienced against world-class competition and being successful.

02:38:06.000 Pettis knocked out Cowboy.

02:38:08.000 Pettis, he's something special.

02:38:10.000 He really is.

02:38:11.000 It's also the South Pole.

02:38:13.000 It's going to be interesting.

02:38:15.000 It's going to be really hard for anybody to stand with Pettis.

02:38:20.000 He's too scary.

02:38:21.000 He hits so hard with all the unorthodox stuff.

02:38:27.000 I mean, he has the craziest kick ever.

02:38:28.000 I'd love to see Connor Aldo do it.

02:38:31.000 Yeah, I wanted to see Aldo versus Pettis, and they were trying to set that up.

02:38:34.000 They were, yeah.

02:38:35.000 And then we tell you something, Pettis was ready to go down to 145. He doesn't give a fuck.

02:38:38.000 He's like, I want to fight that dude.

02:38:39.000 He goes, I think I can beat that motherfucker.

02:38:41.000 That's when he hurt his knee, right?

02:38:42.000 Yeah.

02:38:43.000 Imagine Pettis going...

02:38:44.000 Remember they were setting that up?

02:38:45.000 They were setting up that super fight.

02:38:47.000 Pettis going down to 145 and fighting Aldo would be fucking crazy.

02:38:50.000 Looking at those two guys facing off against each other, that would be insane.

02:38:54.000 That's a super fight.

02:38:55.000 What do you think Eric Silva?

02:38:57.000 Break him down.

02:38:58.000 Eric Silva is a very aggressive dude.

02:39:01.000 He's a very tough guy.

02:39:03.000 Like, you look at his fight with Matt Brown, he's a ferocious dude for like the first round or so.

02:39:10.000 Round, two rounds.

02:39:11.000 I've never seen him do like a Nurmagomedov type fight.

02:39:16.000 Or a...

02:39:17.000 What is that?

02:39:18.000 A Dos Anjos fight.

02:39:19.000 Just Dos Anjos, the way he ground down Nate Diaz for three rounds.

02:39:23.000 Kicked him, took him out, smashed him.

02:39:25.000 Constantly working, constantly working.

02:39:27.000 Eric Silva, I think, especially earlier in his career, tended to run out of gas.

02:39:31.000 Like, John Fitch outfitched him.

02:39:33.000 John Fitch just kind of took him down, mauled him, and stayed on him, and wore him out.

02:39:37.000 He just got worn out.

02:39:38.000 He's not the same guy towards the end of the fight.

02:39:40.000 And Matt Brown, that's Matt Brown's world.

02:39:42.000 You know, he's into drowning, bitches.

02:39:45.000 Matt Brown drowns motherfuckers.

02:39:46.000 That's what he does.

02:39:47.000 You know, and Eric heard him.

02:39:49.000 He heard him in the first round.

02:39:51.000 He hit him with a nasty body kick.

02:39:52.000 He's got a real good left kick to the liver.

02:39:54.000 He throws that kick.

02:39:55.000 He'll throw it like a front kick, too.

02:39:57.000 He'll throw it that way, too.

02:39:58.000 He's really good with his distance, with his kicks.

02:40:01.000 He's super aggressive.

02:40:02.000 His ground game is real solid.

02:40:04.000 But he's just, to me, it's like he's emotional or something or too much adrenaline or something.

02:40:11.000 But it doesn't seem to hold a pace that he can sustain.

02:40:14.000 And if you get in there with a guy like Matt Brown, you've got to know when to lay off the gas, man.

02:40:19.000 You've got to know what kind of shape you're in.

02:40:23.000 Matt Brown exposes people.

02:40:25.000 He did to Wonderboy.

02:40:27.000 He exposed Wonderboy.

02:40:28.000 I'm not saying this in a negative way towards Wonderboy, because I think Wonderboy, what was exposed in that fight, according to my conversation with Wonderboy, is that he overtrained.

02:40:36.000 He said he was really trying to deal with the cardio and the shit that Matt Brown was throwing at him, but he said he might have overdid it because he was just real flat.

02:40:44.000 And then, you know, Matt, you can't have an off day when you're fighting Matt Brown.

02:40:48.000 Matt breaks guys, right?

02:40:48.000 His pace breaks, dudes.

02:40:50.000 If you watch Matt Brown vs.

02:40:51.000 Eric Silva, I think Matt eventually broke him.

02:40:54.000 That pace is just like, what the fuck?

02:40:57.000 That first round's gonna be a beast.

02:41:02.000 I got my boy Killer B all day.

02:41:06.000 Your guard right now is so unusual.

02:41:09.000 And the more you...

02:41:11.000 Concentrate on training with this motherfucker.

02:41:13.000 You, to me, are like...

02:41:14.000 I've been waiting for someone to come along, outside of Aoki, but of course Aoki always has those crazy tights on.

02:41:21.000 It's so hard to find someone in MMA that understands that guard correctly.

02:41:26.000 And to be able to have the kind of flexibility and dexterity you have and wrap guys up, you're going to see you get into positions like Jason Day was when he fought Alan Belcher in Canada.

02:41:38.000 He wrapped him up in that Mission Control and dropped some bows on him, man.

02:41:42.000 And you realize that if someone is good at this position, you leave someone incredibly vulnerable.

02:41:47.000 Incredibly vulnerable.

02:41:49.000 It's just that position is there all day.

02:41:52.000 The position to lock up arms, mission control, in order to get to a good place of completely controlling a guy in a way that you rarely see in closed guard.

02:42:01.000 The technique is around in grappling.

02:42:04.000 You see it in grappling, but in MMA, it's not because it doesn't work.

02:42:10.000 But to me, it's like wheel kicks.

02:42:11.000 Like, for the longest time, we just didn't see them, and everybody didn't think they worked.

02:42:14.000 And then Barbosa lands that fucking nuclear weapon on Terry Edom, and everybody's spinning now.

02:42:20.000 Vitor's winning with spinning heel kicks.

02:42:23.000 Knocks out Luke Rockhold with the fucking spinning.

02:42:26.000 Junior Dos Santos hits Mark Hunt with it.

02:42:28.000 I mean, I think that once someone sees what a guy like you is capable off of his back, it opens up...

02:42:34.000 So much defensive possibilities and so much offensive possibilities, too.

02:42:38.000 Like, you're way safer defensively and your offense off your back in positions that people don't think they're vulnerable for.

02:42:44.000 You know, like, everybody puts their fucking hands on the mat in the UFC. Everyone does.

02:42:49.000 Everyone does.

02:42:49.000 You put your hands on the mat at his school and you're gonna have an elbow problem.

02:42:53.000 Who do you do your stand-up for?

02:42:54.000 You're gonna get your shit snapped.

02:42:54.000 Or you're gonna get your neck snapped.

02:42:56.000 He was in Cole Miller's corner.

02:42:58.000 Oh, okay.

02:42:59.000 Yeah, he's, uh, Noguchi.

02:43:01.000 The great thing about Ben is I've had so many MMA fighters come through and try to add the rubber guard or other techniques to their MMA game and sometimes Someone will come and their striking will be really bad.

02:43:25.000 They got really good jujitsu.

02:43:26.000 They want to do MMA. They just started striking six months ago.

02:43:30.000 They want to add rubber guard.

02:43:31.000 I'm like, okay, we're going to add rubber guard, but man, you got a long way to go with your striking.

02:43:36.000 Or a guy will come from a wrestling background, a really good wrestler, not that good striking, just started jujitsu.

02:43:43.000 He wants to do MMA. We've got a lot to work on.

02:43:46.000 We've got to work on a lot of other jiu-jitsu than rubber guard.

02:43:48.000 We're not just going to work on rubber guard.

02:43:50.000 We've got to get your passing together.

02:43:52.000 We've got to get your guard retention together.

02:43:54.000 We've got to get so much other stuff together.

02:43:56.000 This is a long-term project.

02:43:58.000 But they're awesome.

02:43:59.000 They're awesome people.

02:44:01.000 Yeah, they're awesome people.

02:44:02.000 And then sometimes you have a tremendous striker coming to me.

02:44:06.000 Man, I want to learn some rubber guard.

02:44:07.000 He has zero wrestling and his jiu-jitsu is blue belt level.

02:44:11.000 And the same with him.

02:44:12.000 You have tremendous striking.

02:44:13.000 That's awesome.

02:44:15.000 But man, dudes are going to try to take you down and you got to have guard retention skills.

02:44:19.000 You got to have just so much other pieces of the game that it's not just rubber guards.

02:44:24.000 So it's a lot of things that you got to work on.

02:44:26.000 But when Ben came to me, he came to me with UFC experience.

02:44:31.000 He came to me as a black belt from Ricardo Laborio, so I don't have to really work on anything else, but just really...

02:44:38.000 He's got tremendously long legs for his size.

02:44:42.000 He's 6'2", 6'3", buddy.

02:44:44.000 He's got the legs of a dude that's 6'8", and they're super flexible.

02:44:47.000 He's super flexible, and a lot of guys that come to me, They're ready to fight and they're doing pretty good, but they don't have the flexibility.

02:44:53.000 We've got to get the flexibility together.

02:44:55.000 That could take a year.

02:44:56.000 That could take two years.

02:44:57.000 That could take three years.

02:44:58.000 That could take two months, depending on how much time they're willing to put into their flexibility.

02:45:04.000 Ben came to me already a black belt from Ricardo Laborio.

02:45:07.000 Already had his flexibility.

02:45:09.000 Already was playing versions of the rubber guard.

02:45:13.000 He was already bringing his legs up.

02:45:15.000 And...

02:45:17.000 He's an amazing striker.

02:45:19.000 Jesus Christ.

02:45:20.000 It's really easy for me.

02:45:22.000 He wants to stand up.

02:45:23.000 He don't even want to take it to the ground, but it just seems like at least his last two opponents in the UFC wanted to take him down.

02:45:31.000 What was his name?

02:45:32.000 Seth Heatherly?

02:45:33.000 Chris Heatherly.

02:45:34.000 He wanted to take you down.

02:45:36.000 He saw your tape.

02:45:36.000 When you look at the tape, and to be honest with you, I'm so buried.

02:45:41.000 I've been buried with just life the last few years.

02:45:45.000 I haven't kept up with MMA like I want to.

02:45:48.000 I just don't have the time.

02:45:49.000 And I never watched Bellator.

02:45:52.000 When Ben went to Bellator, I kind of lost track.

02:45:55.000 I saw one or two fights.

02:45:56.000 I lost track.

02:45:58.000 Jesus.

02:45:59.000 Vicious, right?

02:46:00.000 Beast.

02:46:00.000 Did you see this kick you just threw?

02:46:01.000 What happened?

02:46:02.000 He's a hell of an athlete, too.

02:46:03.000 He just threw a wicked fucking round kick.

02:46:06.000 This is also his tenth fight in this arena.

02:46:09.000 All his fights were coming up, all his fights were in this arena.

02:46:13.000 Whatever we're going to say about anything else, let's wrap it up before we get to this fight.

02:46:16.000 Yeah, real quick, I just wanted to finish what I was saying about Ben.

02:46:20.000 He came to me and I really didn't know how good of a striker he was.

02:46:24.000 I'm just the one who came up to me and said, what do you know about a striker?

02:46:29.000 I go, he's pretty good, he's got good knees, right?

02:46:30.000 I remember the killer B knees.

02:46:32.000 He goes, dude, go watch him on YouTube.

02:46:34.000 This guy is fucking...

02:46:35.000 Super killer.

02:46:36.000 So I went and I watched a highlight reel of Ben Saunders, and when you watch a highlight reel, like, oh shit, here's a highlight reel of him fucking starching dudes and fucking him up with all sorts of shit.

02:46:47.000 Knees, head kicks, spinning back fists, elbows, boom.

02:46:51.000 Man, it makes it easier to teach someone when they're already coming as a killer.

02:46:57.000 Team killer B! What do you think Benson Henderson's weighing right now as he gets into the octagon?

02:47:04.000 Like, how much do you think he was cutting?

02:47:05.000 What do you think he probably weighs right now?

02:47:07.000 175, 180. I'd say 170. 171. Well, so you think that that's all he weighed before he started his cut down to 155?

02:47:16.000 Yeah.

02:47:17.000 He just fought, too.

02:47:18.000 He just fought.

02:47:19.000 It's hard to put back on weight.

02:47:20.000 He just fought.

02:47:21.000 Brandon Thatch's head coach, Lisa Bowling, wrestled in college with Ben Henderson, and they're super close.

02:47:27.000 And that's what he was saying, the advantage is Ben walks around at maybe 170, barely.

02:47:32.000 And we know Thatch, on a strict diet, lean as fuck will enter the...

02:47:38.000 Octonite at 190, which is crazy, man.

02:47:41.000 Wow.

02:47:42.000 So there's a big difference in the size.

02:47:43.000 So you're talking about, we're probably looking at a 15 pound plus difference.

02:47:47.000 There's your boy Joe Riggs.

02:47:49.000 15 pounds, and you're talking about a dude who's a KO artist, too, at 170. Right.

02:47:54.000 He looks the same.

02:47:56.000 He doesn't look any bigger.

02:47:57.000 But grappling's different.

02:47:58.000 But grappling will be the difference.

02:47:58.000 Right.

02:48:00.000 What I was going to say is, has he ever fought someone at this level?

02:48:02.000 Because Benson is at a very high level.

02:48:04.000 I agree.

02:48:05.000 No, he hasn't.

02:48:06.000 This is like the biggest...

02:48:07.000 Fought Paulo Thiago in Brazil.

02:48:09.000 Yeah, but Paulo Thiago's nowhere as good as Benson Henderson is.

02:48:12.000 I know.

02:48:12.000 All due respect to Paulo.

02:48:13.000 That's the highest level he's fought.

02:48:14.000 It was in Brazil.

02:48:16.000 Odds are against him.

02:48:17.000 You mean supplement-wise?

02:48:19.000 Yes.

02:48:21.000 I love that you said yes!

02:48:23.000 Just kidding.

02:48:24.000 Well, I wonder how many guys, man, how many guys did get the fucking free pass from the doctor.

02:48:29.000 My friend, don't worry about this.

02:48:31.000 I got the right urine for you in this one.

02:48:36.000 I mean, it had to have happened somewhere along the line in some country where a local guy got a free pass on a drug test.

02:48:44.000 That would be a giant scandal if we found out that someone in the Athletic Commission in some place was involved in doping someone, like helping some fucking super Geronimo type dude.

02:48:56.000 You know what's crazy?

02:48:57.000 It wouldn't even surprise me.

02:48:58.000 No, it wouldn't surprise me.

02:49:00.000 It wouldn't surprise me.

02:49:01.000 I was more surprised about Bruce Jenner turning a chick.

02:49:04.000 Straight up.

02:49:05.000 That surprised the shit out of me.

02:49:06.000 It was shocking.

02:49:07.000 Yeah.

02:49:08.000 Shocking.

02:49:09.000 Fuck my day up.

02:49:09.000 I want to go back to the podcast when we were ragging on Callan about it and listening to it.

02:49:09.000 Fuck my day up.

02:49:13.000 It's an Olympian.

02:49:14.000 One of the best Olympians ever, son.

02:49:16.000 It's an Olympian.

02:49:17.000 Is he the first Corn Flakes box or something like that?

02:49:19.000 Wheaties, son.

02:49:19.000 Wheaties.

02:49:21.000 Corn Flakes.

02:49:22.000 Whatever, whatever.

02:49:23.000 Bruce Buffer, more airtime.

02:49:25.000 He's doing all this cool shit right now.

02:49:26.000 He's got the most longevity in the UFC. Well, people are more into what he does now.

02:49:31.000 Even the UFC appreciates it now.

02:49:34.000 Like these wacky moves.

02:49:35.000 They used to be embarrassed by his wacky moves.

02:49:39.000 Isn't it true that Eddie Bravo gave him the idea and the inspiration for the Buffer 360?

02:49:44.000 No, no, no, no.

02:49:45.000 That was my idea.

02:49:46.000 The Matrix Buffer.

02:49:47.000 That was my idea, son.

02:49:48.000 The Matrix Buffer was a different one.

02:49:50.000 He never ran with it.

02:49:51.000 It was too hard.

02:49:52.000 The 360. It was too hard.

02:49:54.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:49:55.000 Don't say it was too hard.

02:49:56.000 Say the fans weren't ready for it.

02:49:57.000 I wanted him to do this move where instead of just going like that or spinning and going like that, like him going like this, keeping eye contact.

02:50:04.000 Oh, my God.

02:50:05.000 Coming through like that.

02:50:06.000 I like that.

02:50:07.000 I can't even do it.

02:50:08.000 You'd have to practice.

02:50:09.000 But the idea is like...

02:50:10.000 Like that?

02:50:11.000 He didn't want to do it.

02:50:12.000 You've got to have some good back flexibility to do that.

02:50:15.000 Can you imagine if you can pull it off?

02:50:18.000 Can you imagine if you went like that?

02:50:20.000 Keep eye contact.

02:50:21.000 Keep eye contact and you went like that.

02:50:24.000 Joe, you know what's weird?

02:50:25.000 I like it.

02:50:26.000 Let's say Thatch knocks him out.

02:50:28.000 What's it do for Thatch?

02:50:29.000 Because Ben's really a 55er.

02:50:31.000 Puts him on the map.

02:50:32.000 Puts him on the map, right?

02:50:33.000 Because it's such a big win.

02:50:34.000 But in 170, does it?

02:50:36.000 Does it make a statement at 170?

02:50:38.000 Because he talked about doing 170 before.

02:50:38.000 Yes.

02:50:41.000 Everybody knows he's a big 155er.

02:50:42.000 He's a world champion.

02:50:44.000 I mean, Benson Henderson is a legit world champion class fighter.

02:50:48.000 UFC champion.

02:50:49.000 I mean, he's stepping up to 70 for sure, but for Thatch, that's a giant win.

02:50:54.000 And for Benson, it's to let everybody know, hey, you know, I can fuck some people up at 170 too, including really dangerous, unheralded young guys that no one wants to fight.

02:51:05.000 And that's Thatch.

02:51:06.000 There's a lot of dudes that do not want to fight that guy.

02:51:09.000 You know?

02:51:10.000 I know, a couple guys turned the fight down.

02:51:12.000 God damn, he's big!

02:51:14.000 That is a big motherfucker!

02:51:16.000 He's 6'2.

02:51:17.000 Brandon's 6'2.

02:51:18.000 He's a beast, dude.

02:51:20.000 Yeah, he's a thick dude.

02:51:21.000 This is gonna be a hard fight for him.

02:51:23.000 Athletic too, man.

02:51:24.000 Grappling's always been his Achilles heel.

02:51:26.000 And you can tell, like, he does not have a doubt in his mind, man.

02:51:29.000 Lister's been working with him.

02:51:31.000 Like a motherfucker.

02:51:32.000 Like a mother.

02:51:32.000 Lister knows his shit, man.

02:51:34.000 Lister knows his shit.

02:51:35.000 He's been sleeping in the wrestling room.

02:51:36.000 Lister Bowling's no joke.

02:51:37.000 Lister Bowling, yeah, and Elliot Marshall helping out with jiu-jitsu.

02:51:39.000 Here we go.

02:51:41.000 454, if you want to keep up with us.

02:51:43.000 Oh, a bit of weight.

02:51:47.000 Oh!

02:51:48.000 He's a big boy.

02:51:49.000 That's just a superstar in Denver, too, man.

02:51:50.000 I don't know if you saw the billboards in the back.

02:51:52.000 Look how calm he is here, too, walking him down.

02:51:54.000 Clear size difference.

02:51:55.000 Yeah.

02:51:59.000 I love Ben, though, man.

02:52:00.000 Thatch is real confident.

02:52:02.000 God, switching stances.

02:52:04.000 Making a miss.

02:52:06.000 Well, Benson's got to get some respect here, for sure.

02:52:08.000 He's got to tag him with something that gives him at least some concern.

02:52:14.000 I'll tell you what, if he shoots, though, Thatch's knees, man.

02:52:17.000 They're legendary in Denver.

02:52:19.000 Really?

02:52:21.000 Damn.

02:52:22.000 You can already see his kind of...

02:52:24.000 He's just waiting for him to shoot.

02:52:26.000 His knee is fucking nasty.

02:52:30.000 Oh shit, I'm sorry.

02:52:31.000 Last chip.

02:52:36.000 Good body shot by Ben.

02:52:42.000 Damn.

02:52:46.000 Oh my god.

02:52:47.000 You don't want to be in the clinch with Thatch either, man.

02:52:50.000 Dude, this fucking kid's stand-up is good.

02:52:53.000 Nice setup there.

02:52:54.000 I like how he faked with the right to set up distance for the left.

02:52:57.000 He's super creative, man.

02:53:00.000 Look at that.

02:53:01.000 Benson throws that hook.

02:53:02.000 The last guy who I saw as creative as Thatch is Cub Swanson.

02:53:06.000 Is that right?

02:53:06.000 Yep.

02:53:07.000 That's amazing.

02:53:08.000 And you said that he's been trained by his dad since he was a little kid?

02:53:11.000 Yeah, since he's in diapers, man.

02:53:12.000 That's cool.

02:53:13.000 He used to come in the gym and we literally just watch him just destroy cats with knees, southpaw, traditional stance, whatever you want to do.

02:53:21.000 Dude, I like how he switches back and forth effortlessly.

02:53:24.000 Yep.

02:53:24.000 Look at that.

02:53:25.000 Nice check there, too.

02:53:26.000 Real calm.

02:53:26.000 He switches.

02:53:27.000 Ooh, nice right hand to the body by Benson.

02:53:28.000 Great body shot by Benson.

02:53:31.000 Henderson's backing up a lot.

02:53:32.000 But he's chasing him down.

02:53:33.000 Henderson's backing up a lot.

02:53:35.000 But listen, the longer this goes, the better it is for Ben.

02:53:37.000 Thatch is big as fuck.

02:53:39.000 Oh!

02:53:39.000 Big kick to the body.

02:53:41.000 This is not looking good.

02:53:42.000 Oh, right hand over the top by Thatch.

02:53:43.000 Goddamn.

02:53:44.000 These look like different weight classes.

02:53:45.000 This is not looking good for Henderson, man.

02:53:47.000 You remember, too, Thatch, like I said, he's fought in this arena eight or nine times.

02:53:51.000 He's the main event.

02:53:52.000 Pretty uncomfortable here.

02:53:53.000 He's used to being, you know, the star attraction.

02:53:56.000 So what you're saying is...

02:53:58.000 He's nervous.

02:54:02.000 Has nasty elbows, too, man.

02:54:07.000 Oh, damn.

02:54:08.000 Hard inside leg kick check by Henderson.

02:54:12.000 Dude, he's big.

02:54:14.000 Oh, nice front kick by Henderson to knock him down.

02:54:17.000 Doesn't hurt him, but keeps him honest.

02:54:20.000 Get all off your back.

02:54:24.000 Southpaw.

02:54:26.000 Dude, he hits hard.

02:54:28.000 You can see it.

02:54:29.000 It's very fluid with his kicks, man.

02:54:31.000 See how he's switching traditional softball?

02:54:33.000 Nasty.

02:54:34.000 Yeah.

02:54:34.000 He's super fluid, man.

02:54:38.000 Oh.

02:54:39.000 Oh, he's trying to set up a kick.

02:54:41.000 See how he's dropping his hands?

02:54:43.000 Standing sideways looking for the spin, my friend.

02:54:48.000 If I'm Ben's coach, I'm saying get him against the cage and wear him out, man.

02:54:52.000 Get him to the third and fourth round.

02:54:56.000 He's setting something up.

02:54:57.000 He's like, he's setting a spin up.

02:54:59.000 Yeah, it looks like he's setting up a spinning.

02:55:00.000 Yeah.

02:55:01.000 He keeps doing it.

02:55:02.000 Like, he keeps leading with that left.

02:55:04.000 When he gets that left forward, he's looking to spin with his right side.

02:55:07.000 But he just isn't pulling the trigger on.

02:55:09.000 He's thinking about it too much.

02:55:10.000 That was a nice inside leg kick.

02:55:17.000 Oh, I like that body shot.

02:55:17.000 Great body shot.

02:55:19.000 You do not want to be in that clinch, son.

02:55:22.000 Just so much stronger.

02:55:25.000 Damn, that's where five minutes is a long time.

02:55:28.000 This kind of scrap.

02:55:29.000 Ooh, nice body kick by Henderson.

02:55:32.000 I'm interested to see Thatch in the third and fourth round.

02:55:35.000 Oh!

02:55:39.000 Dude, he's going after Benson.

02:55:43.000 Going after him, man.

02:55:45.000 Oh, nice jab.

02:55:48.000 Great knee.

02:55:49.000 Damn, big kick up high.

02:56:05.000 Woo, nice.

02:56:07.000 Nice combo by Henderson.

02:56:14.000 God, he's fast at cutting them off.

02:56:16.000 And that's just from a karate background, you said?

02:56:18.000 Karate background.

02:56:19.000 And his main sparring partner is Matt Brown.

02:56:21.000 Whoa.

02:56:22.000 Matt Brown and Neil Magny are the guys that rotate in on him.

02:56:25.000 Matt Brown lives on his couch when he does his camps in Denver.

02:56:28.000 No shit.

02:56:29.000 Yep.

02:56:30.000 Matt Brown lives in Cleveland, right?

02:56:31.000 Yeah.

02:56:32.000 Cincinnati or Cleveland?

02:56:33.000 I think Cincinnati.

02:56:36.000 Columbus?

02:56:36.000 Columbus, yeah.

02:56:37.000 Columbus, Ohio, right?

02:56:38.000 Yeah, Columbus, Ohio.

02:56:39.000 I know he trains at Westside Barbell.

02:56:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:56:42.000 He does some stuff with that Louis Simmons guy.

02:56:44.000 Those guys are badass.

02:56:45.000 I got one of those reverse hypers in the back.

02:56:47.000 Oh, sweet.

02:56:48.000 I just did a seminar with the powerlifting people, the strongest woman in the world and her husband and shit, and it's fucking phenomenal.

02:56:48.000 Dude.

02:56:55.000 It's awesome shit.

02:56:56.000 And really it's something that all fighters...

02:56:58.000 As far as when you see guys lose knockout power, dudes that used to have it, starching dudes, and then they don't, and it's like they're just tapping dudes now.

02:57:05.000 I feel like their training is...

02:57:08.000 Strength-wise, you're saying?

02:57:10.000 Yeah, and they actually lose that power.

02:57:12.000 It's weird.

02:57:13.000 It's like with Jiu-Jitsu.

02:57:14.000 It's the same thing.

02:57:15.000 We didn't see a lot of rubber guard for a long time, and now it's creeping in and all that kind of stuff.

02:57:20.000 There's a time in MMA where there was nobody that was...

02:57:27.000 It was pushing a guard game.

02:57:28.000 They're like, stand up and scrap again, right?

02:57:30.000 And that's because the coaches didn't know any better.

02:57:33.000 And now, like, a lot of guys like Dwayne Ludwig's in the world that are, like, actual fighters that came out and now they can put that together.

02:57:40.000 That's changing the whole face of it, I think, you know?

02:57:43.000 So you mean, like, now we're seeing that with strength and conditioning.

02:57:45.000 And now we're seeing that with strength and conditioning as Yeah, well, you never forget.

02:57:45.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:57:49.000 It's a bunch of people that don't know better.

02:57:50.000 Ooh, right hooked by Benson.

02:57:52.000 That Marv Marinovich camps, those Marv Marinovich camps that BJ went through for the best performances of his career.

02:57:58.000 You know, he hated doing it, but man, watch BJ when he fought Diego Sanchez.

02:58:02.000 He was a motherfucker.

02:58:04.000 That was at USC, right?

02:58:05.000 He was doing all that at USC. Yeah, he was doing all kinds of crazy shit.

02:58:09.000 I mean, there's videos of him working out.

02:58:11.000 He said he was so tired at night he couldn't even pick up his baby.

02:58:14.000 You know, he said he was just exhausted.

02:58:16.000 But, ooh, Benson caught him.

02:58:18.000 But the result was incredible.

02:58:21.000 Oh, looking for a knee.

02:58:23.000 Yeah, those knees, man.

02:58:25.000 The result was incredible.

02:58:26.000 I mean, BJ, in that kind of tip-tip-top condition, is such a motherfucker, man.

02:58:31.000 Did you see the Roots of Fight BJ documentary?

02:58:33.000 They sent that to you?

02:58:34.000 Yeah, they did.

02:58:35.000 I haven't watched it yet, though, but I heard it's amazing.

02:58:37.000 It's awesome.

02:58:38.000 That way you're wearing a BJ pin shirt?

02:58:39.000 Well, they sent it to me, but I just watched the documentary yesterday.

02:58:43.000 Respect to BJ. Makes a difference.

02:58:46.000 Yeah, BJ was a beast, man.

02:58:48.000 There's Lister Bowling Christian Allen, the masterminds behind Brandon Thatch.

02:58:57.000 Oh, nice.

02:58:59.000 Now, do you think Thatch is starting to slow down?

02:59:01.000 Yeah, it looks like it, doesn't it?

02:59:03.000 It's interesting to see Thatch in the third and fourth round, man.

02:59:05.000 Well, how about the fifth, if he gets into that, right?

02:59:09.000 But what is the knock on him as far as his conditioning?

02:59:13.000 He's knocking everyone out in the first round, so we really don't know.

02:59:16.000 I mean, in training, he's always been a beast.

02:59:19.000 As long as this is all stand-up, he can do ten rounds.

02:59:22.000 If Ben starts grappling with him, I think Brandon's going to be in some trouble.

02:59:26.000 Do you think maybe Benson might know that?

02:59:29.000 It might be like looking to stand with him for the first couple of rounds and then wear him down the third, fourth, and fifth and then start taking him down if you had to be in his corner?

02:59:36.000 Yeah, that's exactly what I'd say to do.

02:59:38.000 Well, the thing is, like I said, Lister Bowling is really good friends with Ben and Ben's head coach, Crouch, they just talked like when Cowboy and Ben fought.

02:59:48.000 They just toss.

02:59:50.000 And he told them, he goes, yeah, the best guy in our camp right now is Brandon Thatch.

02:59:53.000 And he told them about him.

02:59:55.000 He's like, he's this monster.

02:59:56.000 The next thing you know, they're fighting each other.

02:59:57.000 Dude, that switch that he, oh, spinning back kick to the body.

03:00:00.000 That switch that he does, where it makes it look like he's going to throw a right kick, and then he sets up the left, or a left kick, and he sets up the right.

03:00:06.000 That's some beautiful shit, man.

03:00:09.000 That's something you only see in, like, high-level kickboxing most of the time.

03:00:13.000 Good jab at that.

03:00:14.000 I really wish Ben would grapple, man.

03:00:16.000 Ooh, nice jab.

03:00:17.000 He's got to be waiting for it.

03:00:18.000 Right?

03:00:19.000 Or maybe he just thinks the dude's too big.

03:00:21.000 He doesn't want to fuck with that.

03:00:23.000 Oh!

03:00:25.000 Ben's a high-level grappler wrestler, man.

03:00:27.000 That's a beautiful fucking jab right hand.

03:00:29.000 Or jab left hand.

03:00:30.000 But then Ben just went for a leg.

03:00:32.000 But that might be to keep him honest, you know?

03:00:34.000 I think Ben needs to switch it up.

03:00:36.000 Get him guessing, man.

03:00:38.000 Ben is throwing a lot of right hooks to the body over and over again.

03:00:41.000 Did he lose his balance right there?

03:00:44.000 Nah, it looks like he got rocked a little bit.

03:00:45.000 He should have come back and tried to press him on the fence, see if he could hold him on the fence.

03:00:48.000 Ben looks like he's a little rocked.

03:00:49.000 His legs aren't underneath him.

03:00:50.000 To risk being pinned against the fence by him would be death.

03:00:55.000 Good body shots.

03:00:56.000 I bet he goes up top soon.

03:01:01.000 Good move moving these main event fights to five rounds, right?

03:01:05.000 Except for the fighters.

03:01:07.000 It's so much more entertaining.

03:01:09.000 Yeah, it is.

03:01:10.000 Especially in camp.

03:01:11.000 Yeah, ooh, nice straight left.

03:01:13.000 It is great to watch, but you've got to think they can't.

03:01:17.000 Like Stipe Miocic and Junior Dos Santos.

03:01:21.000 How many of those can you do?

03:01:24.000 Oh, damn Ragdoll.

03:01:27.000 He needs to not stay down here though.

03:01:29.000 He just tossed him down.

03:01:29.000 Wow.

03:01:33.000 What happened?

03:01:34.000 I poked there or something?

03:01:35.000 Something happened.

03:01:36.000 Maybe.

03:01:36.000 I love that show, Respect, the middle of combat.

03:01:39.000 Those guys just hugged.

03:01:40.000 No one's even talking about it.

03:01:45.000 Oh, beautiful jab.

03:01:46.000 And then Switch's stance.

03:01:48.000 He's got angles, man.

03:01:49.000 Dude, he's very creative, man.

03:01:53.000 Very creative.

03:01:54.000 Look at that!

03:01:55.000 He needs to let him up, though.

03:01:55.000 Ragdolled him again!

03:01:57.000 Don't stay down there, Ben.

03:01:59.000 How about keep holding on to that leg and kicking the shit out of it?

03:02:06.000 Dude...

03:02:14.000 I think if Ben's going to try and win this, he needs to go for singles, even if he doesn't get them.

03:02:18.000 I like that right hook to the body that Ben's stepping in with.

03:02:22.000 He's landed that a lot, man.

03:02:24.000 That's a nasty shot.

03:02:26.000 Yeah, that's a nasty shot, man.

03:02:28.000 He might be trying to set up the up top, right?

03:02:31.000 Get a guy to get used to covering that because he expects it, and then go over the top.

03:02:36.000 I think Thatch is setting up the head kick.

03:02:39.000 He keeps going low into the body.

03:02:41.000 Well, he would think that he would have an advantage in speed, but what he might have an advantage is pace, the ability to keep that pace up for five rounds.

03:02:50.000 He's done that so many times.

03:02:52.000 Benson is a master at understanding his own limitations as far as cardio.

03:02:57.000 He keeps a solid fucking pace.

03:02:59.000 He knows exactly how to redline it, and he can redline it for five rounds.

03:03:02.000 He knows his body real well in wars.

03:03:05.000 Think of those Frankie Edgar fights.

03:03:08.000 He's gotten some hard five-round fights.

03:03:12.000 That's a huge advantage, especially knowing you've been there.

03:03:16.000 You know the territory.

03:03:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:03:18.000 As opposed to Thatch.

03:03:19.000 I think that's his biggest advantage in this fight, and I don't feel like he's using it.

03:03:22.000 Well, we're going into round three now.

03:03:25.000 I mean, this is right when he...

03:03:26.000 You've got to think John Crouch, his coach...

03:03:30.000 One of the geniuses of MMA. There's like a handful of geniuses.

03:03:33.000 Like Matt Hume, Faraz Zahabi is one of my favorite.

03:03:35.000 Greg Jackson has a lot of knowledge.

03:03:38.000 You know, Ricardo Laborio is a genius of MMA. There's a few maestros.

03:03:43.000 John Donaher, there's a few of them.

03:03:45.000 John Crouch is one of them.

03:03:46.000 So when you're agreeing to fight a kid like this, he's not dumb.

03:03:50.000 He knows this kid's a fucking giant savage.

03:03:53.000 You know, there's got to be some...

03:03:55.000 Thought to what the proper strategy is, and you know the kid as good as anybody, and your thoughts are third round, fourth round, fifth round.

03:04:04.000 Turn it on now.

03:04:05.000 If I'm Ben's coach, I'm saying, alright, now let's start mixing up, grappling, go for shots, wear his ass out.

03:04:11.000 He's clearly lost two rounds, though.

03:04:13.000 Most likely, yeah.

03:04:15.000 It's in Denver, too.

03:04:17.000 And he had double underhooks at one time when they were transitioning out on a failed spin.

03:04:22.000 And he didn't even try to take him down.

03:04:23.000 I thought he would have tried to dump him.

03:04:25.000 And it is in Denver, too.

03:04:26.000 It's in Denver.

03:04:27.000 That's his hometown.

03:04:28.000 And he felt it, and then he went away.

03:04:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:04:31.000 But there was like 17 seconds left.

03:04:33.000 High altitude, short notice fight.

03:04:34.000 Yeah, he went front leg round kick to the head.

03:04:37.000 You don't see that that often.

03:04:38.000 No switch.

03:04:39.000 I bet we see some takedowns.

03:04:40.000 Benson's got a lot of Taekwondo in him as well, man.

03:04:43.000 You know, I mean, that was his initial background.

03:04:46.000 Well, the thing is, is we've seen two takedowns.

03:04:48.000 Both from Thatch.

03:04:49.000 Yep, and they were ragdoll takedowns.

03:04:52.000 They would take downs and we'd expect someone to say, bitch!

03:04:55.000 He dumped them twice.

03:04:59.000 I like that right hook to the body that Benson's been throwing.

03:05:02.000 It's very interesting to me.

03:05:05.000 Like, oh shit!

03:05:06.000 Oh, and the right hand behind it.

03:05:08.000 Goddamn.

03:05:09.000 Oh, he's so big.

03:05:12.000 I'm going to freak out if Ben doesn't attempt to take down here.

03:05:15.000 I'm going to freak out and eat this, Mike.

03:05:16.000 I don't think he can take him down.

03:05:18.000 You gotta attempt it, man, because you're getting fucking picked apart.

03:05:21.000 Do you think he's getting picked apart?

03:05:22.000 I wouldn't say it that much.

03:05:23.000 I don't think he's getting picked apart.

03:05:25.000 Yeah, but you know what, man?

03:05:26.000 I don't think he likes the way it feels.

03:05:27.000 I feel like he feels how strong those hips are, and he's like, fuck this, abort.

03:05:31.000 Yeah.

03:05:32.000 Which is crazy.

03:05:33.000 He almost did it again.

03:05:34.000 Yeah.

03:05:35.000 There we go!

03:05:37.000 Let's keep him against the cage.

03:05:39.000 This is 170, bro.

03:05:42.000 This is 170. I know, but you're wearing Thatch out.

03:05:45.000 He's not a grappler by nature.

03:05:47.000 This is 170. This is exactly what you gotta do.

03:05:47.000 Look at this, though.

03:05:50.000 If you're gonna win, this is exactly what you gotta do.

03:05:52.000 Even if you don't get it.

03:05:53.000 He's savage.

03:05:54.000 Even if you don't get it.

03:05:56.000 That's fine.

03:05:57.000 Thatcher's uncomfortable here.

03:05:58.000 I guarantee you Thatcher's going to slow down after this.

03:06:00.000 I'm listening to Brendan.

03:06:00.000 He might slow himself down.

03:06:02.000 Look at that!

03:06:04.000 I'm listening to Brendan Shaw.

03:06:06.000 Brendan knows the kid.

03:06:08.000 He's giving up the back.

03:06:09.000 Give it up the back.

03:06:10.000 Give it up the back.

03:06:13.000 Give it up the back.

03:06:15.000 And big deep breaths.

03:06:16.000 And now, confusion and a loss of confidence as well, right?

03:06:19.000 Yes, and this is Ben's world.

03:06:21.000 He's a grappler.

03:06:22.000 This is what he does.

03:06:24.000 But Brennan Thatch has got to grapple a little bit.

03:06:26.000 Come on.

03:06:26.000 Not like Ben Henderson.

03:06:28.000 Ben Henderson is a true...

03:06:29.000 This is Ben Henderson's world.

03:06:30.000 Look at him trap the arm!

03:06:31.000 Trap the arm!

03:06:33.000 Thatch got out of it pretty quick, though.

03:06:35.000 But look at, you know, he's letting him know, like some shit's going down.

03:06:38.000 Yeah, son, you're in my world.

03:06:40.000 Sweet stand-up, check this out.

03:06:41.000 We're in the third round, dude.

03:06:42.000 You're in a bad spot here, kid.

03:06:44.000 Hold on to that glove if you want to save your life.

03:06:46.000 He's hitting him in the dick.

03:06:52.000 Oh, look at Thatch's eye, man.

03:06:54.000 Look at his right eye.

03:06:55.000 Is that swollen or is it just the angle we're looking at?

03:06:58.000 No, it's swollen.

03:07:00.000 And you know how it is.

03:07:01.000 If you're not really a grappler, You know, by nature, when someone has your back, your heart's fucking 100 miles an hour right now.

03:07:09.000 So even if you don't submit them here, when you're on this fourth round, you're in trouble, bro.

03:07:12.000 Dude, Benson's making some progress with that right arm.

03:07:16.000 He's moving that right arm closer and closer.

03:07:19.000 I mean, he's under the armpit with the other one, but I'm seeing some give, you know what I'm saying?

03:07:26.000 You know how when you see a guy start to pull on a guy's neck, and you see the guy on the other side start to give?

03:07:31.000 He's like, I see giving.

03:07:35.000 It's tough with the gloves, man, to submit a guy.

03:07:39.000 Even if he's a blue belt.

03:07:41.000 Body triangle.

03:07:42.000 I see him softening up, man.

03:07:45.000 He's got a minute 18 to go.

03:07:46.000 This fight could be over right fucking here, man.

03:07:48.000 Minute 18's a long time.

03:07:50.000 It's a long time.

03:07:51.000 With a dude on your back.

03:07:52.000 And his eye swollen.

03:07:53.000 We got a good look at his right eye.

03:07:55.000 He's doing a good job of defending this long.

03:07:57.000 That tells me he's probably not going to get him.

03:07:59.000 This is exhausting, though, for Thatch.

03:08:01.000 Yeah, this is really exhausting, son.

03:08:03.000 This is exciting.

03:08:04.000 This is exciting stuff, man.

03:08:06.000 He could be resting right here.

03:08:07.000 See, you look at Benson's back, two angel wings.

03:08:10.000 The next round, Thatch is going to be on fire.

03:08:12.000 I mean, he knows all he has to do is survive.

03:08:14.000 He could be resting right here.

03:08:16.000 Yeah.

03:08:16.000 It's gonna take a lot out of Thatch, man.

03:08:18.000 Thatch has never faced diversity like this.

03:08:21.000 You gotta realize, all Thatch's wins were first round KOs.

03:08:24.000 It's not a body triangle, you know?

03:08:25.000 His right eye looks like shit, man.

03:08:27.000 His right eye looks like shit.

03:08:28.000 He's just riding him.

03:08:28.000 Both of them.

03:08:29.000 Both of them are fucked up.

03:08:31.000 Yup, you're right.

03:08:32.000 They're both fucked up.

03:08:34.000 Nice eyebrows, though.

03:08:36.000 Yeah, I'm not mad at those tweezed eyebrows.

03:08:42.000 20 seconds ago and Datch is up.

03:08:45.000 Now we'll see what he's got.

03:08:46.000 That was smart, though.

03:08:47.000 He had to go for something, right?

03:08:48.000 Yeah.

03:08:48.000 Yep.

03:08:49.000 This round ends.

03:08:50.000 Fourth round.

03:08:50.000 Straight single leg if I'm Ben.

03:08:53.000 Might as well.

03:08:54.000 It's loose, Eddie.

03:08:55.000 Whatever.

03:08:56.000 Look at that.

03:09:01.000 He just wants to stay away from him.

03:09:02.000 You give that round to Ben, right?

03:09:04.000 Yeah.

03:09:04.000 So you got 2-1 going to the 4th.

03:09:06.000 2-1 going to the 4th, and the grappling's been established that he's super dominant on the ground.

03:09:10.000 The only reason why he lost that position is because he went for the arm.

03:09:13.000 I'll say this.

03:09:14.000 Who's more tired?

03:09:15.000 Benson or Thatch?

03:09:17.000 Thatch.

03:09:18.000 Thatch.

03:09:18.000 I'm saying defending that, easy day.

03:09:18.000 Thatch.

03:09:21.000 It's not an easy day if you're not a black belt.

03:09:21.000 Trying to attack the back.

03:09:24.000 If you're a blue belt, which I would say Thatch is probably a blue belt on the ground.

03:09:28.000 But, Tate, the one big explosion was the arm.

03:09:31.000 Other than that, it was just control.

03:09:32.000 I mean, when he's tight, when he's under the armpit, and he's across the neck, there was no commitment, there was no real crazy...

03:09:38.000 That's another day in the office.

03:09:40.000 Yeah, but there's no crazy, like, you know, the go for a guillotine, Hail Mary that doesn't work, and you see the guy's arms gassed out?

03:09:46.000 There was none of that.

03:09:47.000 There was the explosion to get to spiderweb, but, I mean, that was one big burst.

03:09:53.000 Other than that, it was Thatch ate more energy.

03:09:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:09:56.000 Because Thatch was trying to keep that guy off his neck.

03:09:59.000 He was uncomfortable.

03:10:00.000 He's like, fuck, in my hometown, I'm getting choked.

03:10:02.000 Rolled all fours.

03:10:04.000 Flattened out with a body triangle on his back.

03:10:04.000 That's a beast.

03:10:07.000 Shit got real!

03:10:10.000 Both eyes are all swollen and shit.

03:10:12.000 His braids are all fucked up out the back.

03:10:15.000 He didn't fix his ponytail.

03:10:18.000 I shoot for that single leg if I'm bent.

03:10:23.000 Now he's thinking about it too, maybe mix it up.

03:10:26.000 You shoot, hit him with a right hand.

03:10:28.000 Well, he also knows that he can dominate him on the ground.

03:10:31.000 Yeah, he can do it.

03:10:32.000 I'm surprised that Bats is standing up so high still.

03:10:34.000 He's still got that high kickboxer stance.

03:10:36.000 And that was the reason he got impatient in that scramble and wasn't smart defensively.

03:10:42.000 He wanted to just get back up to his feet.

03:10:43.000 Instead of like minus P's and Q's and recognizing he's in a bad spot.

03:10:48.000 And that recklessness, carelessness, and trying to get back up to his feet is where he gave his back up.

03:10:53.000 And that comes from grappling experience.

03:10:55.000 That's just not his background.

03:10:56.000 He just wants to get the fuck out of there.

03:10:58.000 He's like, I don't want to stay in this spot.

03:11:00.000 But in doing so, he got to a way worse spot, which is really the essence of jiu-jitsu, right?

03:11:06.000 Capitalizing on mistakes.

03:11:07.000 Even if Thatch loses this fight, he's going to learn so much from this fight that's going to help him in the future.

03:11:12.000 Because he's never fought a really, really good grappler like this.

03:11:15.000 And gone into deep waters with a world champion.

03:11:18.000 This is the best thing for Thatcher's career to ever happen.

03:11:21.000 Yeah, I agree with you 100%.

03:11:21.000 Win or lose.

03:11:23.000 And it's a smart way to do it, too, to go in a world champion coming off from a lower weight class so you have some advantages going in.

03:11:29.000 There you go, Ben.

03:11:31.000 No, keep that hat on the inside.

03:11:32.000 It's not going to happen.

03:11:33.000 Either way, this is wearing Thatch out.

03:11:35.000 I like this.

03:11:36.000 Sprawls.

03:11:36.000 Sprawl, dude.

03:11:37.000 What's that double?

03:11:39.000 Come up with a left.

03:11:40.000 That's crazy.

03:11:40.000 Yeah, but make him defend and then go after it again, right?

03:11:43.000 He's throwing his striking off with those takedowns.

03:11:43.000 Yep.

03:11:46.000 Look how slow that's just becoming.

03:11:48.000 Look at that.

03:11:50.000 He stands so tall.

03:11:51.000 Nice knee.

03:11:52.000 He's taller to begin with.

03:11:55.000 Oh, that right hand to the body again!

03:11:57.000 This plan only works if Ben's cardio is on point.

03:12:00.000 Well, it most likely will be.

03:12:02.000 To me, it looks like Thatch is fine, and he's coming forward.

03:12:09.000 He's definitely not the same fighter he was in the first two rounds.

03:12:12.000 No, but the fifth round at altitude, you're in Denver, son.

03:12:15.000 Sorry about it, but I think Thatch is going to last here.

03:12:19.000 And the fifth round is going to be tough.

03:12:22.000 Yeah.

03:12:23.000 But Benson trains at altitude too in Arizona.

03:12:26.000 And most of Ben's career was spent in Colorado.

03:12:28.000 John Crouch started in Denver.

03:12:30.000 So this is nothing new to Ben.

03:12:32.000 It is, right?

03:12:33.000 It is the actor, man.

03:12:34.000 Oh!

03:12:35.000 Beautiful timing!

03:12:36.000 Timing!

03:12:37.000 Beautiful timing.

03:12:38.000 That was beautiful timing.

03:12:40.000 Stepping over that leg.

03:12:42.000 Hey, this is my friend.

03:12:42.000 Look at this.

03:12:45.000 This fifth round's gonna be a beast!

03:12:46.000 Oh, my friend.

03:12:47.000 You got a longer time.

03:12:49.000 Arm triangle's coming.

03:12:51.000 Stepping over.

03:12:52.000 Look at this.

03:12:52.000 Side control, my friend.

03:12:55.000 Oh, elbow sandwiches.

03:12:58.000 He's going to give him his back, son.

03:12:59.000 Oh, he did the same thing again.

03:13:02.000 Didn't like the position.

03:13:03.000 Didn't like the position.

03:13:05.000 Oh, hooking.

03:13:06.000 Got that hooking easy.

03:13:07.000 Doesn't mean he's going to choke him.

03:13:09.000 No.

03:13:09.000 Doesn't mean he's going to choke him, but he's winning the round.

03:13:12.000 Yeah, he's gonna win the round.

03:13:13.000 Elliot's looking at this, making a list.

03:13:15.000 He's gonna try to go for the armbar again, man.

03:13:17.000 They knew this, though.

03:13:17.000 He's gonna try to go for the armbar again.

03:13:19.000 Oh, look at that.

03:13:20.000 Very nice.

03:13:21.000 Look at this, though.

03:13:22.000 But still.

03:13:22.000 I don't like this being on top, man.

03:13:24.000 I'd rather have him on my back, I think.

03:13:26.000 You got a high-level grappler on you.

03:13:28.000 Yeah, dude.

03:13:28.000 Benson's no joke.

03:13:29.000 Look at this.

03:13:30.000 Benson transitions easy to the back again.

03:13:32.000 You see a lot of wrestlers do this, turn to all fours, hand fight, and stand up.

03:13:36.000 Thatch is a kickboxer.

03:13:37.000 Let's not do that.

03:13:52.000 This is the world of Benson Henderson right here, son.

03:14:01.000 He's got it!

03:14:02.000 That's it!

03:14:03.000 He got this shit!

03:14:03.000 That's it!

03:14:04.000 He got this shit!

03:14:07.000 That's it!

03:14:08.000 That was great!

03:14:12.000 That's a motherfucking hell!

03:14:14.000 Oh, he's got a toothpick in his mouth!

03:14:15.000 I knew it!

03:14:16.000 I saw him before!

03:14:16.000 He had a fucking toothpick in his mouth the whole time!

03:14:20.000 What?!

03:14:21.000 He fixed it in the last round, he got cracked and he was trying to fix it, man.

03:14:24.000 He pulled a toothpick out of his mouth right after he tapped it.

03:14:28.000 Gangster.

03:14:28.000 That is so fucked up.

03:14:29.000 You know, he's gonna get in trouble for that.

03:14:31.000 They told him not to do that anymore.

03:14:33.000 What if they rule this a no contest?

03:14:35.000 So crazy, fights with a fucking toothpick in his mouth.

03:14:39.000 It's suspended.

03:14:41.000 That's some Charles Bronson shit.

03:14:42.000 He just fought Brendan Thatch with a toothpick in his mouth.

03:14:45.000 If you put that in a movie, you would hate that movie.

03:14:48.000 You would hate it.

03:14:49.000 You're like, fuck this.

03:14:51.000 This isn't true.

03:14:52.000 I'm a bigger Henderson fan now.

03:14:54.000 What, because of the toothpick?

03:14:55.000 Yeah, that too.

03:14:56.000 For taking on Goliath?

03:14:57.000 That was awesome.

03:14:59.000 Look at how he did it too.

03:15:00.000 Look how he finished it.

03:15:01.000 Look at the way he finished it.

03:15:02.000 He just...

03:15:04.000 Sort of, but it's kind of like this.

03:15:07.000 Like I said, though, man, either way, Brandon's gonna learn a ton from this.

03:15:10.000 This is best-case scenario.

03:15:11.000 He wins either way.

03:15:14.000 Dan Severn isn't just about how you lock it up.

03:15:18.000 It's what the legs are doing, too.

03:15:20.000 It's squeezing down.

03:15:22.000 It's an oxymoron, actually.

03:15:25.000 Damn.

03:15:26.000 Benson is a bad motherfucker.

03:15:28.000 Love that guy.

03:15:29.000 He's world class, man.

03:15:30.000 He's world class.

03:15:30.000 He fucked up with that toothpick, though.

03:15:32.000 Dude, you can't keep doing that, man.

03:15:34.000 Can't keep doing that.

03:15:35.000 Why not?

03:15:36.000 Especially if he fought a guy like Thatch.

03:15:38.000 Let him have fun, Joe!

03:15:39.000 Damn!

03:15:40.000 He got head kicked.

03:15:41.000 It's not the problem.

03:15:42.000 Athletic commissions can get in trouble.

03:15:43.000 If it turns out that toothpick comes out and pokes somebody in the eye in some strange world where Benson's on top, he gets hit with an up kick, I think we need Benson on the podcast.

03:15:53.000 It goes into the guy's eyeball.

03:15:54.000 They'll let a guy who's doing PEDs fight and then after the fight be like, oh, he's on PEDs.

03:15:59.000 Benson was on the podcast.

03:16:01.000 I don't think they're worried about a toothpick.

03:16:02.000 Hold on.

03:16:02.000 Is that what happened?

03:16:04.000 Did they know the test results before the fight?

03:16:07.000 They knew about Jon Jones.

03:16:09.000 But that's coke.

03:16:12.000 Yeah, but it's out of competition.

03:16:14.000 It's not a performance enhancing drug.

03:16:16.000 I think if they knew that Anderson tested positive before, it's way more damning than if they knew that Jon Jones did.

03:16:22.000 They knew that Jon Jones is doing something that's going to ruin his chances.

03:16:26.000 What about if you're doing coke to just study YouTube videos?

03:16:29.000 That's maybe performance.

03:16:31.000 What if I'm doing coke to throw a thousand spinning kicks?

03:16:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

03:16:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

03:16:36.000 A lot of good points here.

03:16:37.000 A lot of good points.

03:16:38.000 Everyone is making sense here.

03:16:39.000 And Joe said that y'all aren't going to learn anything.

03:16:40.000 Everyone is making sense here.

03:16:41.000 That what?

03:16:42.000 That y'all aren't going to learn anything.

03:16:42.000 Y'all are what?

03:16:46.000 I don't know, man.

03:16:47.000 I think toothpicks is the least of our worst.

03:16:50.000 Hey, Commission.

03:16:51.000 For sure get those results back in time.

03:16:53.000 Fuck a toothpick.

03:16:54.000 That is good.

03:16:55.000 Let's get those results back in a couple days.

03:16:56.000 You can't fight with a fucking toothpick in your mouth.

03:16:58.000 You just can't.

03:16:59.000 It's so crazy.

03:17:01.000 When he stepped out and then pulled a toothpick, he's like flaunting it.

03:17:04.000 I love it.

03:17:05.000 I love it.

03:17:06.000 He steps out.

03:17:06.000 He's got the toothpick out right away.

03:17:08.000 What if that is top of five because he's like stuck.

03:17:10.000 He did, dude, in like the third round.

03:17:14.000 So he had a toothpick in his mouth.

03:17:16.000 It wasn't a mouthpiece thing.

03:17:17.000 He had a toothpick in his mouth when Pettis had kicked him and dropped him.

03:17:21.000 And that was the side that he tucks it.

03:17:23.000 I think it'd be more dangerous for himself, right?

03:17:25.000 Oh, it's very dangerous for him.

03:17:27.000 Those toothpicks get like worn out over time.

03:17:30.000 They get all like flimsy.

03:17:32.000 They do, bro!

03:17:33.000 But look how soft it is, man.

03:17:34.000 He must have like a...

03:17:35.000 They get all wet.

03:17:37.000 He's got a weird way.

03:17:37.000 You know what I'm saying?

03:17:39.000 He's got a weird way of tucking that thing in his mouth.

03:17:43.000 Yeah, that shit is soft as hell.

03:17:44.000 That's like paper.

03:17:46.000 Let's see what he says.

03:17:48.000 I'm tired, guys.

03:17:49.000 I'm tired.

03:17:50.000 Whoa!

03:17:51.000 Elevation, right?

03:17:52.000 Hey, sometimes, guys, you gotta go out there.

03:17:55.000 You gotta give your all.

03:17:56.000 You gotta test yourself.

03:17:58.000 I ain't know how I could win this fight.

03:18:00.000 A lot of times, guys, you have to do something you don't know.

03:18:02.000 Our biggest fear is not that we're, you know, in Agra.

03:18:05.000 Our biggest fear is that we're a powerful guy.

03:18:08.000 Okay, what?

03:18:10.000 It's from the YouTube...

03:18:12.000 Remember that, guys.

03:18:13.000 Remember that.

03:18:14.000 Yeah, I'll remember that.

03:18:15.000 You got it, bro.

03:18:16.000 Okay, let me rewind.

03:18:17.000 Okay, look, Benson Henderson's a bad motherfucker.

03:18:20.000 That was a huge victory.

03:18:22.000 He essentially fought your game plan, what you thought he should do.

03:18:25.000 I mean, that's really what he did.

03:18:26.000 Yeah, that's exactly what he did.

03:18:27.000 He hung with him on the feet for the first round, lost probably the first and second round, and then took him into some deep water.

03:18:47.000 That's exactly what he did.

03:18:49.000 Tight move.

03:18:51.000 Fucking toothpick!

03:19:06.000 The toothpick slurring his speech.

03:19:12.000 He's getting philosophy lessons.

03:19:13.000 He's so crazy with that toothpick.

03:19:14.000 He's dropping knowledge on bitches.

03:19:16.000 Hard to keep up, but he's dropping knowledge.

03:19:19.000 A big name McDonald up in Canada who needs a fight.

03:19:24.000 Oh, shit!

03:19:24.000 It's a hell of a fight.

03:19:25.000 That's a hell of a fight.

03:19:26.000 Benson Henderson just said it.

03:19:27.000 Yeah, when you stare across the octagon at that fucking psycho, you might want to rethink that.

03:19:32.000 That 170-pound psycho.

03:19:34.000 Talking about a Canadian psycho?

03:19:35.000 A Canadian psycho?

03:19:36.000 I mean, there's a big difference between stepping up to arguably number two welterweight in the world.

03:19:42.000 That's a big difference.

03:19:43.000 They need to give him a title shot.

03:19:44.000 They need to give Roy a title shot, man.

03:19:45.000 Yeah.

03:19:46.000 Don't make him fight Hector broided out of his gills.

03:19:49.000 Hector's not going to fight for a long time now.

03:19:52.000 But goddamn Benson Henderson's a bad motherfucker to step up like that and say he wants to fight Rory McDonald after that fight.

03:19:58.000 Benson is a bad motherfucker, dude.

03:20:01.000 He's so good.

03:20:02.000 He's so good.

03:20:07.000 Yeah, Thatch has a long career ahead of him.

03:20:08.000 This is a great learning experience.

03:20:10.000 He's coming off that layoff, right?

03:20:11.000 It was like a year or something?

03:20:12.000 Well, he had some injuries, right?

03:20:14.000 Bro, Thatch threw a kick in practice.

03:20:16.000 It hit the kid's face.

03:20:18.000 It might have been Matt Brown.

03:20:19.000 It hit Matt Brown's face.

03:20:21.000 Compound fractured his big toe.

03:20:23.000 Compound fracture, so the fucking through the skin, bones out of the skin, yeah.

03:20:26.000 That's why he was out for so long.

03:20:28.000 Oh, that's what happened?

03:20:29.000 Jesus Christ.

03:20:30.000 Oh, I saw the picture of that.

03:20:31.000 There was like a picture of it online, wasn't there?

03:20:33.000 Nasty, man.

03:20:34.000 Yeah.

03:20:34.000 You see how we did that heel kick?

03:20:35.000 Yeah.

03:20:37.000 We don't see enough of that.

03:20:38.000 Dude, Benson's badass.

03:20:40.000 Dude, he is badass.

03:20:41.000 Such a badass.

03:20:42.000 Can you imagine him versus Rory?

03:20:44.000 Rory needs a fight, too.

03:20:45.000 That would be amazing.

03:20:46.000 I'd love to see Rory just get a title shot.

03:20:48.000 With that Corey Hill fight.

03:20:49.000 Well, yeah.

03:20:51.000 This podcast is over.

03:20:53.000 This is a huge win for Benson Henderson.

03:20:55.000 That was fucking tremendous.

03:20:56.000 I'm so impressed with this dude.

03:20:58.000 So impressed with him.

03:20:59.000 He's a beast.

03:21:00.000 So cool.

03:21:01.000 That was such a hard fight, too.

03:21:03.000 That's it for the podcast.

03:21:05.000 Eddie Bravo, what's up next?

03:21:08.000 EBI 3, March 22nd.

03:21:10.000 Eddie Bravo Invitational, March 22nd.

03:21:12.000 Where can people information?

03:21:14.000 EddieBravoInvitational.com.

03:21:16.000 It's at the Orpheum, downtown LA. Justin Miles, what's your website again?

03:21:21.000 www.jampersonaltraining.com [...

03:21:50.000 Tate motherfucking Fletcher, CEO and pirate in chief of Caveman Coffee.

03:21:56.000 That's it.

03:21:57.000 I don't know.

03:21:57.000 Nuevo Cerveza, Concrete Cowboy, Dallas, Austin, Houston.

03:22:01.000 We're opening Houston in two months right now.

03:22:04.000 Entrepreneur.

03:22:04.000 Just trying to stay ahead.

03:22:06.000 Let bitches know.

03:22:07.000 Brandon motherfucking Chobb.

03:22:09.000 You can listen to him every week.

03:22:10.000 At least twice a week do you guys do now?

03:22:12.000 Twice a week.

03:22:13.000 The Fighter and the Kid podcast with my brother Brian Callen.

03:22:16.000 Available online in many different forms.

03:22:19.000 You guys have a video version of it.

03:22:21.000 You have iTunes.

03:22:22.000 Everything.

03:22:22.000 YouTube.

03:22:23.000 It's available.

03:22:24.000 You'll love it.

03:22:24.000 It's fantastic.

03:22:25.000 You can follow him on Twitter and Instagram.

03:22:28.000 Brendan Schaub on both of those, right?

03:22:30.000 Yes, sir.

03:22:30.000 Brendan Schaub.

03:22:31.000 And that's it.

03:22:33.000 He fucks.

03:22:34.000 All right.

03:22:35.000 Thanks, everybody.

03:22:36.000 Much love.

03:22:37.000 Another Fight Companion podcast in the book.

03:22:40.000 Take care, you guys.

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