The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion

00:00:00.000 Hey, none of that.

00:00:02.000 Come on.

00:00:04.000 Yeah, we're live.

00:00:06.000 Alright, Fight Day, folks.

00:00:07.000 Fight Companion Podcast.

00:00:09.000 If you listen to this podcast and think, oh, here's another podcast.

00:00:12.000 What is a Fight Companion Podcast?

00:00:13.000 Fight Companion Podcast is a podcast that we do while we're watching the UFC. So if you're tuning into it, what it's like is it's like you're watching the fights with friends that you don't really know.

00:00:24.000 But there you go.

00:00:25.000 So, Brendan Schaub is here, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:27.000 Motherfucking Big Brown in the house.

00:00:29.000 Brian Callen is here, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:32.000 Yeah.

00:00:33.000 Can't wait.

00:00:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:34.000 And, of course, Edgy Bra, also known as Eddie Bravo.

00:00:38.000 Edgy Bra.

00:00:39.000 That's what they taught when we were in Brazil.

00:00:41.000 That's what they called him.

00:00:42.000 Joe Marara.

00:00:43.000 It was Joe Marara.

00:00:44.000 That was...

00:00:45.000 The first giant tournament that there was in L.A., Joe Moreno, he was the main promoter.

00:00:50.000 And in my division, there was 45 guys.

00:00:52.000 We're all blue belts in my division.

00:00:54.000 And you have to sit there and listen to him call out everyone's name.

00:00:57.000 And I'm sitting there, I'm waiting for him to call my name.

00:01:00.000 He looks at the clipboard, then he looks up and goes, there's your bra!

00:01:05.000 I'm standing right in front of them.

00:01:06.000 I'm like, man, when are they going to call my name?

00:01:10.000 I'm like, fuck.

00:01:11.000 And then someone said, dude, I think he's saying your name.

00:01:13.000 No way.

00:01:14.000 I could never guess your nationality, by the way.

00:01:17.000 Never.

00:01:17.000 I'm looking at you right now.

00:01:18.000 I was just in Mexico, and I was leaving.

00:01:21.000 You had to go through Mexican customs.

00:01:23.000 And the guy looked at my passport.

00:01:24.000 Just today.

00:01:25.000 He looked at my passport.

00:01:26.000 It says, Edgar Alberto Bravo.

00:01:28.000 He looks at it.

00:01:32.000 And I had to speak Spanish.

00:01:34.000 My Spanish sucks, but I can say...

00:01:36.000 I can say that.

00:01:42.000 It sounds like I speak really good Spanish.

00:01:44.000 I got that mastered.

00:01:46.000 I've said that a million times.

00:01:47.000 I got that shit wired.

00:01:48.000 So I said that and he was convinced.

00:01:50.000 You look Thai.

00:01:55.000 Let's be honest.

00:01:57.000 You're a muscular Thai man.

00:02:01.000 He could definitely be some expat dad who went over there with PTSD. 100%.

00:02:08.000 Fuck some unfortunate Thai lady.

00:02:11.000 I grew up in a Filipino.

00:02:13.000 Remember when they shipped the Filipinos in in the 80s?

00:02:15.000 Sure.

00:02:16.000 I was part of the shipment.

00:02:17.000 No, but I was born there.

00:02:18.000 Does anybody know these guys?

00:02:20.000 Sean Strickland, who we're looking at right now.

00:02:22.000 Yeah.

00:02:23.000 Strickland undefeated.

00:02:24.000 He's a cutie.

00:02:25.000 And Santiago.

00:02:26.000 Boy, they got his name blocked off.

00:02:28.000 Good job, UFC fucking website designers.

00:02:30.000 He looks like he's in a different weight class.

00:02:32.000 He put the guy's head in front of his fucking name.

00:02:34.000 22. Yeah.

00:02:35.000 22 is a...

00:02:37.000 Santiago.

00:02:38.000 How do you say his name?

00:02:39.000 Ponzinibu.

00:02:40.000 Ponzinibu.

00:02:41.000 Is he from Brazil?

00:02:42.000 It's going to be like a lot of people from Brazil because this card is live from Brazil.

00:02:47.000 So if you're tuning in and you're trying to figure out how the fuck do we sync it up because the internet is always going to be a few seconds slower than live action.

00:02:55.000 So what we're seeing and what you're seeing is going to be a little different.

00:02:58.000 So pause your TV. That's the best way.

00:03:02.000 Pause your TV and like maybe count to ten.

00:03:05.000 And I'm going to tell you exactly when I see five minutes on the first round.

00:03:09.000 It's about to start now.

00:03:11.000 It says 4.58 right now.

00:03:13.000 4.57, 4.56, 4.55.

00:03:16.000 There you go.

00:03:16.000 Alright, we're synced up.

00:03:18.000 Ponzinibu and Strickland.

00:03:20.000 Oh.

00:03:22.000 Remember there was only three or four Brazilian fighters, and now there's hundreds of thousands.

00:03:27.000 Do you know how many fighters are in the UFC roster now?

00:03:29.000 Take a guess.

00:03:30.000 80. 500. Yeah, he's right.

00:03:33.000 500. Wow.

00:03:34.000 Isn't that insane?

00:03:35.000 500, yeah.

00:03:35.000 What?

00:03:36.000 And that really, that really is.

00:03:37.000 Oh, wait a minute.

00:03:38.000 Ponzinibo with the right hand.

00:03:39.000 That expanded.

00:03:39.000 That's not a joke.

00:03:40.000 Strickland with a nice uppercut.

00:03:40.000 That's not a joke.

00:03:42.000 I thought they had maybe 100 people on their roster, period.

00:03:45.000 No, no.

00:03:46.000 They've had a few hundred for a while.

00:03:47.000 They've had like 250, 300. But now, you know, also, I think that with Bellator out there, they've got to make sure they scoop up the young talent as it's coming up.

00:03:57.000 Because what if Bellator gets a hold of a Jon Jones before the UFC does?

00:04:01.000 And they've got some guy over there just ragdolling people and Jon Jones in them, and you go, ah, fuck, we missed that guy.

00:04:01.000 Trouble.

00:04:08.000 You remember probably like two years ago when they were making crazy cuts, because they had to get rid of a hundred guys in a certain amount of time, and dudes were just getting cut.

00:04:17.000 Yeah, like John Fitch and those guys.

00:04:19.000 Well, John Fitch got cut.

00:04:20.000 Oh, big left hook by Ponzinibo.

00:04:23.000 Strickland, very experienced, man.

00:04:24.000 Look at him hang on.

00:04:25.000 Very smart.

00:04:27.000 Yeah.

00:04:28.000 You know how they showed the records, 15-0, and the other guys 20-2?

00:04:31.000 You really don't know guys' records these days.

00:04:34.000 Why do you say that?

00:04:35.000 I feel like in boxing you look more at records.

00:04:38.000 No one cares about records at all.

00:04:42.000 I see what you're saying.

00:04:44.000 You know the stars.

00:04:45.000 I was confused.

00:04:46.000 I thought you were saying it might be a bullshit record.

00:04:50.000 No, no, no, no.

00:04:50.000 You're saying most people don't know people.

00:04:52.000 I don't know anybody's record.

00:04:55.000 I couldn't tell you Big Night's record.

00:04:56.000 Were you a boxing fan?

00:04:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:58.000 When you're a boxing fan, you have to know everybody's record.

00:05:01.000 You have to.

00:05:02.000 33-1 with 24 knockouts.

00:05:05.000 That's weird, right?

00:05:05.000 You had to fucking know.

00:05:06.000 You had to know everybody in the top 10. Did you open up the ring and go right to the standings, like top 10 of every division?

00:05:14.000 I would just stare at that shit and try to memorize it.

00:05:17.000 Did you guys see Gennady Golovkin last night?

00:05:19.000 Yeah, Triple G. He's a beast, right?

00:05:21.000 Why is it three Gs?

00:05:22.000 What's the third G? Great Gennady Golovkin.

00:05:25.000 Is that it?

00:05:26.000 No, I think Triple G. I think he's from Kajekistan.

00:05:32.000 Well, there's no such thing as Kajekistan, but...

00:05:35.000 What is it?

00:05:36.000 But it is in that area.

00:05:37.000 Brian just got offended.

00:05:39.000 Oh, I'm sorry, Brian!

00:05:42.000 He treated you like you're an idiot who's giving a speech in front of his class.

00:05:47.000 I looked up at the sky when I said it.

00:05:50.000 Why are you wearing a scarf, by the way?

00:05:52.000 Because I'm French.

00:05:54.000 I'm keeping my throat warm.

00:05:55.000 100% your wife dressed you before you got here.

00:05:57.000 That's a lie.

00:05:58.000 That's a lie.

00:05:59.000 100%.

00:05:59.000 It's cashmere.

00:06:00.000 It's a cashmere neck wrap.

00:06:02.000 I don't care if it's made out of leopards.

00:06:03.000 Oh, Strickland's tag.

00:06:04.000 Ponce and Evo's in trouble, man.

00:06:05.000 Strickland, I've not stopped looking at his hair.

00:06:07.000 It's beautiful.

00:06:08.000 I'm really attracted to him.

00:06:09.000 He's making this motherfucker work, I'll tell you that.

00:06:11.000 He keeps mixing up from punches to takedowns, and he's putting a lot of pressure on this guy.

00:06:16.000 A lot taller.

00:06:16.000 He looks Polish.

00:06:18.000 Strictly?

00:06:19.000 Yeah.

00:06:19.000 He could be anything American.

00:06:21.000 Yeah.

00:06:21.000 He could be from Georgia.

00:06:22.000 He could be French, I hate to tell you.

00:06:23.000 He could be from France.

00:06:24.000 He could be from Czechoslovakia.

00:06:26.000 He could be from Kyrgyzstan.

00:06:27.000 He could be from Kyrgyzstan.

00:06:30.000 I think Gennady Golovkin is from Kyrgyzstan.

00:06:35.000 That might be right.

00:06:36.000 Joe, did you watch the fight, though?

00:06:38.000 I didn't watch it.

00:06:39.000 I was working last night.

00:06:39.000 Have you seen him fight before?

00:06:40.000 Yeah, I love that guy.

00:06:41.000 He's a beast, right?

00:06:41.000 I love that guy.

00:06:42.000 Oh, head kick by Ponzinibo.

00:06:45.000 Everyone wants to see him versus Andre Ward next.

00:06:47.000 Oh yeah, that's a great fight.

00:06:48.000 I don't think Andre Ward's going to take it.

00:06:49.000 Damn!

00:06:50.000 Why would he take it?

00:06:51.000 Kovalov, you mean?

00:06:52.000 No, Andre Ward.

00:06:53.000 Hold on.

00:06:53.000 Dude, look at this.

00:06:54.000 Look what's going on.

00:06:55.000 This is like Roberto fucking Duran over here.

00:06:57.000 Crazy fight.

00:06:58.000 Fingers in the neck, too.

00:06:59.000 Look at this shit.

00:06:59.000 He's going crazy.

00:07:02.000 Oh, that was a hard right hand.

00:07:04.000 Something woke his ass up.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, I don't know what it is, but there's a minute to go and he's still fucking going at it.

00:07:09.000 He's like Rocky Graziano.

00:07:10.000 I can't hear the crowd, but I bet they're going nuts.

00:07:12.000 Which one was the good one, Graziano or Marciano?

00:07:14.000 A little volume on the TV, young Jamie.

00:07:17.000 The Graziano.

00:07:19.000 Hey, fuck, what were we just talking about?

00:07:21.000 Andre Ward?

00:07:22.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.000 Why wouldn't Andre Ward take that fight?

00:07:24.000 Because we know Triple G, but I don't think Triple G is that big of a star in the States.

00:07:28.000 First of all, Triple G is also a lot lighter.

00:07:31.000 No, he's not.

00:07:32.000 No, he's not.

00:07:33.000 Shut the fuck up.

00:07:33.000 Because Kovalev is the one who's going to fight.

00:07:35.000 Dude, dude, dude.

00:07:36.000 You're out of your lane.

00:07:37.000 160, 168, 175. There's three different weight classes.

00:07:41.000 Andre Ward, 168. Golovkin, 160. Kovalev, 175. Oh, Kovalev is 175?

00:07:46.000 Are you guys talking about boxing?

00:07:48.000 Yes.

00:07:48.000 Oh, really?

00:07:48.000 Wow, you guys still pay attention?

00:07:50.000 He's a light heavyweight.

00:07:51.000 Oh, really?

00:07:51.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 He wants to fight Miguel Cotto.

00:07:54.000 That's what he wants.

00:07:54.000 Kovalev does?

00:07:55.000 No.

00:07:56.000 Andre Ward does.

00:07:57.000 Triple G wants to fight Miguel Cotto.

00:07:58.000 You guys are really into boxing, like for real, huh?

00:08:00.000 Love boxing.

00:08:00.000 Yeah, man, you know what?

00:08:01.000 I should probably say that on the podcast because a bunch of people asked me because a long time ago I got in this debate on ESPN with that fucking Lou DiBella guy.

00:08:09.000 I saw that.

00:08:09.000 The only reason why I went on that guy like that, two reasons.

00:08:13.000 One, because the UFC wanted me to.

00:08:15.000 Two, they sicked me on this guy.

00:08:18.000 Because they knew this guy talks a lot of shit about the UFC. And he just started doing all the stuff.

00:08:22.000 You can trust Joe.

00:08:24.000 Yeah.

00:08:26.000 Joe goes like this.

00:08:27.000 No doubt.

00:08:28.000 Joe goes like this.

00:08:29.000 On that interview, Joe goes, the fact is that boxing is getting swallowed.

00:08:33.000 It's getting swallowed.

00:08:35.000 It's getting swallowed.

00:08:36.000 Well, I said your sport's getting swallowed by a more dynamic sport.

00:08:40.000 You know, but I've always been a boxing fan, just like I'm a kickboxing fan, just like I'm a straight jiu-jitsu fan.

00:08:45.000 I'm a fan of all martial arts, but I'm just not a fan of dummies.

00:08:48.000 But you know a lot about what's going on in boxing.

00:08:52.000 All I know is Matt Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are going to fight.

00:08:56.000 They're going to make a billion dollars, right?

00:08:58.000 Well, Golovkin's a fascinating guy because he's one of the best fighters in the world, and very few people know who he is.

00:09:03.000 Outside of, like, hardcore MMA fans, everybody knows who Floyd Mayweather is.

00:09:07.000 Everybody knows who Manny Pacquiao is.

00:09:09.000 Those are the two guys, but Gennady Golovkin is a fucking murderous puncher.

00:09:14.000 I mean, ooh, with the toes.

00:09:15.000 Body shots.

00:09:16.000 White guy?

00:09:17.000 Yeah, from Russia.

00:09:18.000 Beautiful, little cutie, little handsome fella.

00:09:20.000 White guy.

00:09:21.000 A power?

00:09:22.000 A white guy's in the mix with these Floyd Mayweather types?

00:09:25.000 He's Russians, man.

00:09:26.000 Kovalev is also a Russian.

00:09:29.000 He's murderous punchers.

00:09:31.000 Kovalev, Klitschko's are still good right now.

00:09:34.000 Dude, Vladimir Klitschko hasn't been beaten in 10 years.

00:09:37.000 Not even close.

00:09:38.000 But is he fighting the best heavyweights?

00:09:40.000 Knocks them out.

00:09:41.000 There's no really good heavyweights when he destroys them.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, you don't hear about these fights.

00:09:44.000 But he's light years ahead of them.

00:09:45.000 How come you don't hear about these fights?

00:09:47.000 Because his fights are so dominant, and he's boring.

00:09:50.000 He boxes them.

00:09:51.000 He just jabs them to death.

00:09:52.000 I love it.

00:09:53.000 He's great.

00:09:54.000 I will watch his fight.

00:09:54.000 And he's fighting the biggest, strongest, fastest.

00:09:57.000 He can't touch them.

00:09:58.000 That Russian dude made him go to war, though.

00:10:01.000 That Russian dude he fought made him go to war.

00:10:02.000 He got dealt with in the first round.

00:10:04.000 He got dealt with.

00:10:06.000 He's fighting the best black dudes?

00:10:08.000 Yeah.

00:10:08.000 Really?

00:10:09.000 Yeah, he's fighting the best of everybody.

00:10:11.000 Yeah, he fights.

00:10:11.000 His next fight is a black guy.

00:10:13.000 Let's just be honest about some shit.

00:10:15.000 Russians are different white people, okay?

00:10:18.000 They're not the same, you're right.

00:10:18.000 They just are different white people.

00:10:20.000 Siberian.

00:10:21.000 I'd almost say tougher.

00:10:22.000 They're fucking tougher.

00:10:23.000 They just are.

00:10:24.000 Their environment is tougher.

00:10:25.000 They live in a harsher climate.

00:10:27.000 Their history is tougher.

00:10:28.000 They have a war-torn history.

00:10:31.000 Dude, they were conquered by the Mongols for 200-plus fucking years.

00:10:35.000 You know, that's a hard Siberian climate.

00:10:38.000 The country's flat.

00:10:39.000 The Mongols fucked them up!

00:10:41.000 If you have a flat country, people could come in.

00:10:43.000 The Asian, Chinese-looking guys were ruling over the white guys in the north.

00:10:48.000 A lot of people in Russia, in certain parts of Russia, look Chinese.

00:10:52.000 That's right.

00:10:53.000 Yeah, along the border, yes.

00:10:55.000 I understand that, but did they conquer Russia?

00:10:58.000 We can't talk at the same time.

00:10:59.000 That's why we're in headphones, boys.

00:11:02.000 Huh?

00:11:02.000 Aren't they ahead of us as far as technology, too?

00:11:05.000 Science?

00:11:05.000 Russians?

00:11:06.000 No.

00:11:06.000 No, they are not.

00:11:07.000 We're Americans.

00:11:08.000 Not anymore.

00:11:09.000 I think it is from Kazakhstan, and in that area, you do see a lot of Kazakhstanis who look very Asian.

00:11:15.000 Way more Asian than Caucasian.

00:11:17.000 Whereas Kovalev looks...

00:11:18.000 He's Caucasian.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, he's Caucasian.

00:11:20.000 And Golovkin is like a mix.

00:11:22.000 Golovkin looks like a mix.

00:11:23.000 But he's a cute looking guy, like he could be like the sweet next door neighbor, maybe even the gay neighbor on a sitcom, right?

00:11:30.000 He's got some butt.

00:11:31.000 He's got some Eskimo.

00:11:32.000 But he comes in and just liver punches you into fucking oblivion.

00:11:37.000 He's a sensational boxer and he's highly aggressive.

00:11:40.000 Well, he's special because he has knockout power in his left hand and right hand.

00:11:43.000 You know, certain guys have certain punches to knock people out.

00:11:46.000 He's knocked guys out with jabs, left hooks, right hooks, uppercuts.

00:11:50.000 Yeah, I saw a highlight clip.

00:11:52.000 He dropped a dude with a right hand to the body.

00:11:53.000 It's ridiculous.

00:11:54.000 Just, he's hitting people so fucking hard.

00:11:57.000 But America doesn't care.

00:11:58.000 America won't jump on board unless you can be good in front of a camera.

00:12:02.000 Well, dude, when I was a kid, if someone came along and told me that we were going to have a white heavyweight champion that no one would give a fuck about and no one could beat the guy, I'd be like, that doesn't even make sense.

00:12:13.000 Like, what kind of bizarro world do we live in?

00:12:15.000 Exactly.

00:12:16.000 That's why I was confused.

00:12:17.000 I was like, wait a minute, he's fighting the best guys.

00:12:19.000 When I was totally into boxing, you never heard of such a thing.

00:12:23.000 Dude, he's got a PhD.

00:12:24.000 We had Jerry Cooney.

00:12:25.000 Remember Jerry Cooney?

00:12:26.000 He's brilliant.

00:12:27.000 He's got a PhD.

00:12:28.000 Like, he's a brilliant guy.

00:12:30.000 He plays chess.

00:12:32.000 So is Tex Cobb.

00:12:33.000 Where did that get him?

00:12:35.000 He just had a kid.

00:12:36.000 Tex Cobb's all fucked up now.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, he's all fucked up now, too.

00:12:41.000 That's old school.

00:12:41.000 He's doing all kinds of crazy violent shit, like outbursts.

00:12:44.000 Pulled a gun on people, got arrested recently.

00:12:46.000 Tex Cobb?

00:12:46.000 I'm sorry, not Jermaine Taylor.

00:12:48.000 Not Jermaine Taylor.

00:12:48.000 Who was the guy, the big, the guy who just beat...

00:12:51.000 Wilder?

00:12:52.000 Yes.

00:12:53.000 Deontay Wilder?

00:12:54.000 Deontay Wilder.

00:12:55.000 How would he do against?

00:12:56.000 Is he going to fight him?

00:12:57.000 He's not ready.

00:12:58.000 He'll be ready.

00:12:59.000 I mean, he might be ready.

00:13:00.000 He might be able to catch him.

00:13:01.000 The thing about Klitschko is that Klitschko has been knocked out back in the day when he first started working with Emanuel Stewart or right before he first started working with Emanuel Stewart.

00:13:09.000 Before.

00:13:09.000 He went to Emanuel and hasn't been touched.

00:13:12.000 When he went to Emanuel, Emanuel just completely schooled him, cleaned his game up.

00:13:17.000 Emanuel Stewart said he's the hardest right hand puncher he's ever seen in his life.

00:13:21.000 Wow.

00:13:21.000 That's a guy who had Lennox Lewis in his stable.

00:13:24.000 They're different white people.

00:13:26.000 You know what Emanuel said?

00:13:28.000 You said it like Joey.

00:13:30.000 Habib Nurmagomedov, that's a different kind of white person.

00:13:32.000 That's a different white person.

00:13:33.000 Period.

00:13:34.000 That jaw.

00:13:35.000 Listen, cocksucker, these are not the same white people you fucking grew up with in calabasas.

00:13:43.000 Put your fucking Uggs away.

00:13:45.000 Get out of your Range Rover.

00:13:47.000 And just suck his dick.

00:13:48.000 He's going to kill everybody.

00:13:52.000 It's a fight.

00:13:54.000 Yeah, it was a good fight.

00:13:56.000 Strickland kid's a good grappler.

00:13:58.000 I'm going to get a Mohawk, I think.

00:13:59.000 It looks like a Hari Krishna thing.

00:14:01.000 The Strickland dude lost the hair pony.

00:14:04.000 He lost the ponytail.

00:14:05.000 The band came out.

00:14:06.000 In the fight.

00:14:07.000 That's how bad dudes want pussy.

00:14:08.000 They're pro fighters and they still grow their hair that covers over their eyes.

00:14:12.000 I know.

00:14:13.000 I appreciate it, too.

00:14:15.000 Hey, if I had beautiful hair, I might grow it that way, too.

00:14:18.000 So would I. Fuck it.

00:14:19.000 Hickson, when he was young, had this crazy samurai ponytail, and it was like part of his mystique when he's this samurai warrior going into this tattered black belt that almost looked white because it was so worn and just shh.

00:14:34.000 Strangling lines of dudes.

00:14:36.000 Just get him in a line.

00:14:37.000 Line him up one at a time.

00:14:39.000 Handsome as shit.

00:14:40.000 Yep.

00:14:40.000 Roll him up like it's nothing.

00:14:42.000 Never get out of breath.

00:14:44.000 Tap one guy after the next.

00:14:46.000 He's still a handsome devil.

00:14:48.000 He's a beautiful man.

00:14:49.000 We had him on the podcast.

00:14:50.000 Eddie and I did a podcast with him.

00:14:51.000 Some people just look sexy with bangs and some people don't.

00:14:54.000 I never have.

00:14:54.000 Yeah.

00:14:56.000 You never have?

00:14:57.000 I keep them out of my eyes.

00:14:59.000 Keep them out of my eyes.

00:15:00.000 You're a rugged guy, though.

00:15:01.000 You gotta be ready for action at a moment's notice.

00:15:03.000 I appreciate that.

00:15:03.000 Thanks, buddy.

00:15:04.000 Including the fucking pig hunt we're going on with Steven Rinello.

00:15:06.000 Can't wait.

00:15:07.000 Gotta get my license.

00:15:08.000 When's that?

00:15:08.000 We'll do that.

00:15:09.000 We'll do that this week.

00:15:10.000 Are you in town this week?

00:15:11.000 Yeah.

00:15:11.000 You're gonna go kill a pig?

00:15:12.000 Fuck yeah.

00:15:13.000 Where at and when?

00:15:14.000 The Tojone Ranch up north.

00:15:18.000 A wild pig?

00:15:19.000 I'm going there with Cameron Haynes.

00:15:21.000 We're going to Sacramento.

00:15:25.000 That's where we're going.

00:15:26.000 It's up in that area.

00:15:27.000 Are you going to use bows?

00:15:29.000 I don't think so.

00:15:30.000 I think we're using rifles.

00:15:32.000 They have an infestation?

00:15:33.000 Oh yeah.

00:15:34.000 Northern California literally has a pig infestation.

00:15:38.000 In the wild?

00:15:39.000 Well, in neighborhoods.

00:15:39.000 Yep.

00:15:41.000 San Jose News the other day, they had this news clipping of these wild pigs that were tearing up these people's lawns in the suburbs.

00:15:48.000 I'd make them a pet.

00:15:49.000 Just ripping the lawn apart, looking for something to eat.

00:15:55.000 And they're pretty gnarly, right?

00:15:56.000 Like, they'll jack a kid up.

00:15:57.000 That's incredible.

00:15:58.000 In California and Fresno, there's a pig problem.

00:16:02.000 What?

00:16:02.000 That is weird.

00:16:03.000 San Jose.

00:16:03.000 I agree with you on this.

00:16:05.000 Is it really?

00:16:06.000 Like, a real issue?

00:16:07.000 Oh, yeah, it's a real issue.

00:16:08.000 But you know what's crazy?

00:16:09.000 Not enough hunters.

00:16:10.000 We have a huge, I don't know if it's a problem, but we have raccoons everywhere.

00:16:16.000 We have families of raccoons, little babies traveling together, trying to open our door.

00:16:24.000 Oh shit, it's trickling on top.

00:16:29.000 Yeah, I mean, the pig problem is mitigated slightly by the fact that they're not allowed to hunt for mountain lions, so mountain lions eat some of the pigs.

00:16:38.000 I was going to say, what's their natural predator?

00:16:41.000 Just mountain lions?

00:16:41.000 That's it.

00:16:42.000 No, there's no natural predator.

00:16:43.000 They're not from here.

00:16:44.000 They're Eurasian wild boars.

00:16:46.000 A long time ago, they believed that a lot of them came from William Randolph Hearst.

00:16:52.000 When William Randolph Hearst had that Hearst Castle up in Northern California, that crazy fuck kept a bunch of wild boars out there.

00:16:59.000 And a lot of them got loose.

00:17:00.000 Thanks, Hearst.

00:17:01.000 And then they just wind up fucking and breeding.

00:17:04.000 And then, of course, on top of that, there's just wild pigs.

00:17:07.000 Domestic pigs that, you know, became feral.

00:17:10.000 And they start breeding out in the wild, and then they become a totally different kind of pig.

00:17:14.000 But there's so many of them in Northern California.

00:17:16.000 You could shoot as many as you want.

00:17:18.000 You could go, like, you could get all your meat from pigs and just go up there, like, once every couple months, shoot four or five pigs, bring them back with you.

00:17:26.000 And it doesn't cost very much to get a pig tag.

00:17:28.000 So it should be easy to kill them up there, right?

00:17:30.000 You better take out some of these pigs.

00:17:32.000 Don't worry about that.

00:17:33.000 I killed one the first day we went.

00:17:34.000 Really?

00:17:35.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.000 I killed a pig.

00:17:36.000 It was like, it got dark at 5 o'clock.

00:17:39.000 I killed a pig at 4.50.

00:17:41.000 I just like that it's not going to be freezing this time.

00:17:43.000 Why don't we just go up there with some machine guns, do it gangster style?

00:17:45.000 You could do it that way.

00:17:46.000 From a helicopter?

00:17:47.000 I don't think there's very many restrictions.

00:17:48.000 No, it's not gangster.

00:17:49.000 They use it from a helicopter in Texas.

00:17:50.000 In Texas, they have these shows about them.

00:17:53.000 It's crazy.

00:17:53.000 I've seen it.

00:17:54.000 I think I saw Henry Rollins do it, right?

00:17:55.000 No, Ted Nugent.

00:17:57.000 Oh, that's right.

00:17:58.000 My bad.

00:17:59.000 Just some loud white guy.

00:18:01.000 Yeah, right?

00:18:01.000 Fuck.

00:18:02.000 But yeah, they do it out of helicopters.

00:18:04.000 They call it a porkalypse now.

00:18:05.000 It is the most fucked up thing to watch.

00:18:07.000 They're flying and just gunning down these packs of pigs.

00:18:11.000 In Fresno?

00:18:12.000 This is Texas.

00:18:14.000 In Texas, they allow them to hunt with helicopters.

00:18:16.000 In Fresno.

00:18:16.000 Well, they cost millions and millions of dollars.

00:18:18.000 This big problem I knew nothing about.

00:18:19.000 Me neither.

00:18:19.000 I'm scared.

00:18:21.000 There's millions of feral pigs in California.

00:18:24.000 What the fuck?

00:18:25.000 Millions.

00:18:25.000 I haven't seen one.

00:18:26.000 And you know what else did William Randolph Hearst cause?

00:18:29.000 He caused the pig problem.

00:18:31.000 The weed problem.

00:18:32.000 Yeah, he was also responsible for weed being illegal.

00:18:35.000 Oh, head kick!

00:18:37.000 He was responsible for distributing the propaganda.

00:18:40.000 Even possibly one of the people responsible for using the name marijuana.

00:18:45.000 Sounds like a real asshole.

00:18:46.000 Wasn't that because of DuPont?

00:18:48.000 It had something to do with it as well, as well as his paper factories, apparently.

00:18:54.000 But, I mean, that's the reason why William Randolph Hearst was the subject of that Orson Welles movie.

00:18:59.000 I mean, that was the whole Rosebud, Citizen Kane.

00:19:02.000 It's about William Randolph Hearst.

00:19:04.000 William Randolph Hearst was a gangster.

00:19:07.000 When you had control of the newspaper back when there was only one newspaper, I mean, god damn.

00:19:12.000 It's like Putin now.

00:19:15.000 They were running stories like that one story where a woman smokes weed, throws her kids out a building, and then commits suicide.

00:19:23.000 We for madness.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, all that shit.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, but I mean, they really wrote that in paper.

00:19:27.000 They made shit up.

00:19:29.000 Some people are terrified of Wheaton.

00:19:30.000 They should be.

00:19:31.000 They wanted to scare everybody.

00:19:33.000 It took them 10 years of scaring people into making it illegal.

00:19:37.000 Not only that, this is after the fucking Great Depression, so people were cautious as it is.

00:19:42.000 You know, I mean, that was a crazy time.

00:19:45.000 Easy to brainwash people back then.

00:19:46.000 They look at the radio, there's one radio station, they go to the movies to watch a newsreel, total propaganda.

00:19:53.000 Newsreels.

00:19:54.000 You never got the truth.

00:19:56.000 There's never any truth in that.

00:19:58.000 I feel like weed's just starting to get a good rap, right?

00:20:01.000 Just now.

00:20:02.000 Just starting to come out in the dark.

00:20:03.000 Because as a kid, I remember as a kid, even in high school, I mean, if you're smoking weed, you're a loser, man.

00:20:08.000 Yeah, that's how I felt.

00:20:09.000 I felt that way until I met Eddie.

00:20:11.000 I felt that way until I was 28. I felt that way about six months ago until I started hanging out with you guys.

00:20:16.000 I gotta be honest.

00:20:18.000 You guys are pretty cool.

00:20:20.000 Well, anybody that tells you that people on weed are lazy is like, you gotta pay attention to all the shit I'm doing.

00:20:26.000 There's no way I'm lazy.

00:20:27.000 I'm a lot of things.

00:20:29.000 Lazy's not one of them.

00:20:30.000 I think you might have gotten more intense with weed.

00:20:32.000 People who are lazy are lazy.

00:20:35.000 The one thing about the marijuana is the paranoia that it gives you about if you're doing the wrong shit.

00:20:40.000 These guys went to war, dude.

00:20:42.000 Really good fight.

00:20:42.000 What a fight.

00:20:43.000 What a fight.

00:20:45.000 I think that paranoia makes you work harder.

00:20:48.000 You try to keep that paranoia at bay, it's like a wolf.

00:20:50.000 You want to do everything you can to fight off whatever the fuck that thing's warning you against.

00:20:55.000 Cover your bases.

00:20:56.000 That's why it's so easy to get high and go on stage.

00:20:58.000 Because you've done comedy a million fucking times, it's easy.

00:21:02.000 It's not something you're scared of doing.

00:21:04.000 Are you always high when you're on stage?

00:21:06.000 99.9% of the time.

00:21:07.000 That'd be a yes.

00:21:09.000 No, I did a couple sober sets this week.

00:21:11.000 It's fine.

00:21:12.000 I like doing sets sober.

00:21:13.000 I did the Ice House the other night sober.

00:21:15.000 It's fine.

00:21:16.000 But you prefer to be...

00:21:17.000 I like being high when I'm coming up with shit.

00:21:19.000 That's when I especially like being high.

00:21:21.000 Because I don't know what I'm going to say.

00:21:23.000 And you get into that flow state where you're not there anymore.

00:21:28.000 You're not there anymore and things just come out of nowhere.

00:21:30.000 And sometimes they come out of nowhere and right out of it comes out of your mouth.

00:21:33.000 You're fucking laughing hysterically at it.

00:21:36.000 And you can't even This is not really your own shit.

00:21:38.000 It's the weed's joke.

00:21:40.000 Weed gave you that joke.

00:21:42.000 You don't want to weed?

00:21:43.000 Yeah, and you're like laughing because weed gave you this...

00:21:45.000 I'm stealing weed's shit.

00:21:45.000 You're stealing weed's shit?

00:21:47.000 Weed gave you this awesome joke.

00:21:48.000 I mean, it came out of your mouth.

00:21:49.000 But that's like...

00:21:50.000 It's like you're the channel.

00:21:51.000 Well, that's where humility really comes in when it comes to...

00:21:55.000 Certain aspects of psychedelics.

00:21:58.000 You get the realization while you're doing it.

00:22:01.000 If you're saying something that's profound or whatever, you're like, bitch, this isn't even really your thoughts.

00:22:06.000 This is coming to you through the plant.

00:22:10.000 Through the plant.

00:22:11.000 And Eddie, you do jujitsu high?

00:22:13.000 A lot.

00:22:15.000 Always.

00:22:16.000 I mean, he'll take a workout and not be high, but why bother?

00:22:20.000 Yeah.

00:22:22.000 The only reason why you would bother is there's...

00:22:24.000 A benefit to not being high.

00:22:27.000 Do you get high for a tournament?

00:22:29.000 No, no, no.

00:22:31.000 Weed doesn't make you feel good or bad.

00:22:35.000 It just makes you feel way more of what you're feeling.

00:22:37.000 So if you're going to be nervous, if you're going to do something that's going to make you nervous, I wouldn't suggest you smoking weed.

00:22:43.000 Really?

00:22:44.000 Does it make you way more nervous?

00:22:44.000 Yeah.

00:22:46.000 It could.

00:22:47.000 You can get paranoid.

00:22:49.000 But if you're going to do something that you love, like you're just going to go do jiu-jitsu and you're just going to have fun.

00:22:56.000 Yeah.

00:22:57.000 Then you smoke weed and you have more fun.

00:22:59.000 Because that's what you're feeling.

00:23:01.000 You're like, yeah, this is awesome.

00:23:02.000 You're not nervous or anything.

00:23:05.000 I'm worried if I got into weed, I would just become like 320 pounds.

00:23:09.000 That's bullshit.

00:23:10.000 You wouldn't do that.

00:23:11.000 Why would you do that?

00:23:12.000 Because I love to eat.

00:23:14.000 So does he.

00:23:15.000 Dude, do you know how much I eat?

00:23:17.000 I eat so much when we go to restaurants, people think I'm joking.

00:23:20.000 When I go to restaurants after shows, I order two meals.

00:23:24.000 And they'll go, do you still want the steak?

00:23:27.000 I go, I want that too.

00:23:28.000 And they're like, that's too much food.

00:23:29.000 I'm like, it's not too much food, just bring it.

00:23:31.000 You're pretty lean too, though.

00:23:32.000 That's good genetics.

00:23:33.000 It's good genetics, but I also work out.

00:23:35.000 I work out, man.

00:23:36.000 You gotta do it.

00:23:38.000 You gotta work out.

00:23:38.000 Well, no, I work out.

00:23:39.000 I'm not you.

00:23:40.000 Of course you do.

00:23:41.000 But I'm saying for people that complain about it, man, it's just that simple.

00:23:44.000 Just if you like to eat, bitch, you better burn that shit off.

00:23:47.000 True.

00:23:48.000 But I definitely have good genetics, too.

00:23:49.000 There's some people that they could look at a cake and they get fat.

00:23:52.000 Yeah.

00:23:52.000 But you do get the munchies, though.

00:23:54.000 You do get the munchies.

00:23:55.000 And it does.

00:23:56.000 It does.

00:23:56.000 Because I get a sweet tooth.

00:23:58.000 Yeah, but dude, you work out so hard.

00:24:00.000 And if you got high and got paranoid about getting fat, you'd probably work out even harder.

00:24:06.000 You'd probably put in some extra sessions just to lean up.

00:24:09.000 You know?

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:10.000 You're on some crazy diet right now, right?

00:24:12.000 You're looking slender, you sexy bitch.

00:24:14.000 Look at his face.

00:24:15.000 It's all taut.

00:24:16.000 Every bit of 250. Look at him.

00:24:18.000 He's every bit of 250. Yeah, but you look, you might be, I mean, you're obviously giant, but you look like leaner.

00:24:23.000 Leaner, yeah.

00:24:24.000 Like you're losing body fat.

00:24:25.000 Are you doing something?

00:24:26.000 Yeah, I've just been doing this diet.

00:24:27.000 My trainer had me on a no-carb diet for two weeks.

00:24:30.000 No carbs at all?

00:24:31.000 No carbs at all.

00:24:33.000 Eddie did that shit for years.

00:24:34.000 Really?

00:24:35.000 Low carb.

00:24:36.000 Low carb.

00:24:36.000 The Atkins.

00:24:37.000 I was doing that Atkins thing.

00:24:40.000 You stopped doing it?

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 How come?

00:24:44.000 Too much protein?

00:24:45.000 No, you know, I don't know, man.

00:24:47.000 I hung in there.

00:24:49.000 I hung in there, man.

00:24:50.000 You have a cheat day on Sunday.

00:24:52.000 You have to have under 30 carbs a day.

00:24:55.000 If you could do that, under 30 carbs a day, then on one out of the seven days, Sunday, you could eat whatever the fuck.

00:25:02.000 For just one meal or the whole day?

00:25:04.000 The whole day.

00:25:05.000 You have a cheat day.

00:25:06.000 So I was living my life just for Sunday.

00:25:10.000 I was just trying to get to fucking Sunday.

00:25:12.000 I didn't care about Friday.

00:25:14.000 We went out.

00:25:15.000 I just wanted to get to fuck.

00:25:16.000 I was just thinking about bread.

00:25:18.000 And then Sunday.

00:25:19.000 I couldn't wait for the sun to come up.

00:25:22.000 When the sun came up, I would just tear shit up.

00:25:24.000 And then I would get too full.

00:25:26.000 And I'd go, here's my dad.

00:25:27.000 Now I can't.

00:25:27.000 I could eat anything.

00:25:28.000 I'd smoke a lot of weed trying to get the munchies going, fuck.

00:25:31.000 The sun's going down!

00:25:31.000 Fuck!

00:25:32.000 I'm not even hungry!

00:25:33.000 Fuck!

00:25:34.000 I'm trying!

00:25:34.000 Then I was living like a crazy man.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, I was living like a crazy man.

00:25:39.000 I was like, now I'm stuffed!

00:25:40.000 Let me tell you how crazy he was.

00:25:41.000 We used to go to restaurants and eat, and he would take the bread, and he would break the bread apart and smell it.

00:25:47.000 He wouldn't eat the bread, and everybody would want bread.

00:25:50.000 They're like, what the fuck is going on with the bread?

00:25:52.000 Eddie had taken like every piece of bread and broke it apart, stuffed it in his nose.

00:25:57.000 Did you get good results from it, or just...

00:25:57.000 A fetish!

00:26:00.000 Yeah, you look lean.

00:26:01.000 I was really lean, and I've never been that muscular or anything, but I was lean, and I was single.

00:26:08.000 I was single as hell, and the leaner I got, the Easier meeting members of the opposite sex world.

00:26:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:26:19.000 You got sex here.

00:26:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:21.000 Right away, everything changed.

00:26:23.000 Starved yourself for chips.

00:26:24.000 Exactly.

00:26:25.000 I was starving.

00:26:26.000 But then that Sunday eventually turned into, I'm going to start Saturday night now.

00:26:32.000 Let's see.

00:26:32.000 I'm going to test it.

00:26:33.000 What if I tested it?

00:26:34.000 Would my body still change?

00:26:35.000 Because, you know, if you've got 30 grams a day, Monday through Saturday, somehow your body is fixed in a way that you could trash it on Sunday and it doesn't make any difference with your weight.

00:26:45.000 It'll reject everything.

00:26:46.000 And now you live on donuts.

00:26:48.000 On Saturday fucking night, late Saturday night, I'd say, fuck it, I'm going to start.

00:26:52.000 And I'd go six months and I'd go, that was my thing.

00:26:55.000 My weight hasn't changed?

00:26:56.000 Fuck, you could actually take it into that night before.

00:26:59.000 So Saturday nights, I couldn't wait.

00:27:01.000 Saturday during the day, I'm like, fucking, when do I start this?

00:27:04.000 When the sun goes down, I would just get too crazy.

00:27:07.000 And then it turned into Saturday morning, I would start, and then it was...

00:27:11.000 Okay, Saturday and Sunday, I'm going to have a cheat day.

00:27:13.000 My pancakes.

00:27:14.000 And then it turned into Friday night, and then I just forget.

00:27:17.000 And then it was just too crazy, and I just stopped.

00:27:19.000 Okay, who do we got here?

00:27:20.000 Uh-oh.

00:27:20.000 My focus is now back in the wind column.

00:27:23.000 In the wind.

00:27:26.000 I wonder how much longer Frank Mayer can keep going.

00:27:28.000 If he loses this fight, we're going to have to bring that motherfucker in here for, I think you'd be a surprise talk.

00:27:32.000 Yeah.

00:27:34.000 I don't want to do it to him.

00:27:35.000 No, I'm going to bring him in here.

00:27:40.000 That could be your thing.

00:27:42.000 You could bring him in and say, Joe, you do the same fucking thing.

00:27:46.000 I have to be there saying nothing.

00:27:48.000 Yeah.

00:27:50.000 You're gonna be the guy that they talk to afterwards in console, and you know, they're gonna...

00:27:54.000 I'll just be staring at the wall.

00:27:56.000 How you doing, bro?

00:27:56.000 You hanging in there?

00:27:57.000 How you doing, bro?

00:27:58.000 Like, after Joe crucifies him.

00:27:59.000 How you doing, bro?

00:27:59.000 I've been there, man.

00:28:01.000 Don't worry, it gets worse.

00:28:02.000 Then there'll be a support group.

00:28:03.000 There'll be a support group.

00:28:05.000 And then once a week, you have the support group podcast.

00:28:07.000 I just keep turning.

00:28:09.000 I'll turn twice and go.

00:28:10.000 We love you.

00:28:11.000 I guarantee if we could bring Tex Cobb in this room right now and have a conversation with us all, I'd go, okay?

00:28:16.000 Yeah.

00:28:17.000 Are we cool?

00:28:18.000 Are we cool here?

00:28:19.000 You know what the fuck I'm saying?

00:28:20.000 Yeah, it's like Scared Straight, you're gonna start bringing in, like, uh, Joe Frazier's still alive?

00:28:24.000 He died, right?

00:28:25.000 He's gone, yeah.

00:28:27.000 But, dude, listen to Tex Cobb these days.

00:28:30.000 Really?

00:28:30.000 Oh, good lord.

00:28:32.000 That's, oh, man.

00:28:33.000 He had an acting career for a while, too.

00:28:34.000 Gunsville.

00:28:35.000 Really?

00:28:35.000 Yeah, Uncommon Valor.

00:28:36.000 He was in Uncommon Valor.

00:28:37.000 He was good, man.

00:28:38.000 He was really good.

00:28:38.000 He was a kickboxer before he was a boxer, too, you know?

00:28:40.000 He was an accomplished kickboxer.

00:28:42.000 It's over, dude.

00:28:43.000 I don't know who this guy is.

00:28:44.000 Tex Cobb fought Larry Holmes in the distance.

00:28:47.000 Tex Cobb, he got beat up by Larry Holmes so bad, Howard Cosell quit calling boxing.

00:28:52.000 Damn!

00:28:54.000 I'm done.

00:28:54.000 Really?

00:28:56.000 He said, you know what, fuck this.

00:28:57.000 I'm done and I'm disgusted.

00:29:00.000 I remember watching that fight as it was happening.

00:29:02.000 My mother was with me.

00:29:05.000 My mother literally said, my father was saying, this is a slaughter and they should stop the fight.

00:29:10.000 My mother said, he may have an extra plate in his forehead, so he's probably fine.

00:29:18.000 Your mother said that?

00:29:19.000 An extra plate?

00:29:20.000 He's a robot?

00:29:21.000 Expert on physiology.

00:29:23.000 Expert on physiology.

00:29:24.000 He may have another plate in his forehead, so he's fine.

00:29:27.000 I remember I told my mother there was a guy who didn't wear a coat in the winter.

00:29:31.000 He never wore a coat, and she goes, oh, he probably has an enlarged heart, so it pumps lots of blood to his body.

00:29:36.000 Do you have a sore throat and a scarf on, like, sort of an homage to the East Coast?

00:29:40.000 Yes, yes I do.

00:29:42.000 Is this in sympathy?

00:29:43.000 I feel refined and I've been watching Downton Abbey.

00:29:46.000 What's going on with your throat though?

00:29:48.000 Probably because I was shouting yesterday.

00:29:50.000 You were shouting?

00:29:51.000 I'm passionate.

00:29:56.000 In town?

00:29:56.000 Where were you, Lee?

00:29:57.000 No, I'm just super passionate.

00:29:59.000 Callum's on fire.

00:30:00.000 He don't give a fuck.

00:30:01.000 He don't give a fuck.

00:30:02.000 He came in here and he said, you know what, I'm going to go in there and I'm not going to give a fuck.

00:30:06.000 And that's the attitude.

00:30:08.000 Now I took it off because I'm hot.

00:30:09.000 Because now I'm paranoid of being hot.

00:30:11.000 My neck suddenly felt like it was on fire.

00:30:13.000 Oh, Yuri Alcantara.

00:30:14.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

00:30:16.000 I don't know Frankie Sainz.

00:30:18.000 It's because you don't know fighting, bro.

00:30:21.000 It's Frankie Sains.

00:30:23.000 How do you say his name?

00:30:25.000 Sains.

00:30:25.000 Do you know him?

00:30:26.000 What's his background?

00:30:27.000 Turn this up, Jamie.

00:30:28.000 Oh, we have a timeshare in Tahoe.

00:30:33.000 He's a great guy.

00:30:35.000 Frankie's like, yeah, I left some toilet paper.

00:30:37.000 There's a six-pack in the fridge.

00:30:39.000 Frankie!

00:30:41.000 Frankie!

00:30:43.000 Only speaks to...

00:30:44.000 Yuri Alcantara, however you want to say it.

00:30:48.000 He's a bad motherfucker, dude.

00:30:49.000 He's really good.

00:30:52.000 That's a guy that, you know, that was one of the most impressive victories for Uriah Faber when he beat this dude.

00:30:59.000 Because Uriah came at him, guns blazing, like within the first couple seconds, and then, like literally 15 seconds into the fight, he's mounted.

00:31:07.000 The guy's on top of Uriah, and he's holding him there for the whole round.

00:31:11.000 I mean, he's hitting him, there's a lot of ground and pound going on, but Uriah, towards the end of the round, gets out of the position, and then is just coming after him for...

00:31:19.000 End of that second round, third round, puts the pace on him.

00:31:23.000 Just puts the pace on him.

00:31:24.000 And you could see the dude going, Jesus Christ, when does this motherfucker get tired?

00:31:28.000 Chill, man.

00:31:29.000 It was one of the most impressive performances of Uriah's career.

00:31:32.000 A lot of people don't even talk about that fight.

00:31:34.000 And it's because it started off so bad.

00:31:37.000 I think Alcantara had his back.

00:31:39.000 I know he mounted him.

00:31:40.000 He got him in a very compromising position very early in the fight when everybody's dry and everybody's at full strength.

00:31:47.000 Got out of it and gave me a beating.

00:31:49.000 Small man and I'll beat the brakes off of it.

00:31:52.000 One of the coolest things ever I heard a fighter say came from Uriah Faber's mouth.

00:31:56.000 Someone beat him.

00:31:57.000 It was a close decision.

00:31:58.000 One of those epic battles.

00:31:59.000 I forget who it was.

00:32:00.000 He's only lost title fights.

00:32:02.000 It's like by decision, right?

00:32:04.000 And he said after one of those fights, He goes, I don't feel that bad.

00:32:08.000 I mean, it was a close fight.

00:32:10.000 I'm right there in the mix.

00:32:10.000 Could have gone either way.

00:32:11.000 I'm in the top.

00:32:12.000 I'm mixing it up.

00:32:13.000 Even though I lost, I'm like right there.

00:32:15.000 He said, I think I'm a smidgen off.

00:32:17.000 Yeah, he has such a great attitude about losses.

00:32:21.000 He's always one win away from the title shot.

00:32:23.000 Always.

00:32:24.000 Well, he's going to go to 45 now, which is very interesting.

00:32:27.000 Fighting Frankie, right?

00:32:28.000 That's a crazy fight, man.

00:32:29.000 Him and Frankie Edgar.

00:32:30.000 Why is he going to 45?

00:32:31.000 Because he wants to fight Frankie.

00:32:32.000 He doesn't want to fight TJ. Interesting.

00:32:36.000 Yeah, I think he feels that it's not necessary to fight his teammate, and I think he probably would like to take a break off that fucking horrible weight cut to get down to 145. I think it's smart.

00:32:47.000 It's not a bad idea at all.

00:32:48.000 And a super fight with Frankie is way better for him than TJ. Yeah, and if he does lose, hey, it's not even his division.

00:32:54.000 Apparently he's an amazing businessman.

00:33:07.000 Yeah, he's a beast when it comes to business.

00:33:10.000 And we talked about that before.

00:33:11.000 Yeah, no, he's an ambitious dude, man.

00:33:15.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:33:16.000 He's the most for sure the most famous and the most like popular guy.

00:33:21.000 That has not won a UFC title.

00:33:23.000 Has been in the mix for as long as he's been in the mix.

00:33:26.000 When he was a WEC champion, was it like 2006 or something like that?

00:33:30.000 I remember when he broke both his hands against Mike Brown.

00:33:30.000 A while ago, yeah.

00:33:33.000 Yeah.

00:33:34.000 And started throwing elbows.

00:33:36.000 And I actually talked to him.

00:33:37.000 I said, do you practice that?

00:33:38.000 He goes, no, man.

00:33:40.000 I just started throwing my elbows because I was like, there was nothing else I could do at that point.

00:33:40.000 No, I didn't.

00:33:44.000 I was like, crazy.

00:33:46.000 And this is after, you know, the first fight where Mike Brown caught him.

00:33:49.000 He got too aggressive.

00:33:50.000 Mike Brown caught him on the chin.

00:33:52.000 He used to be known for his insane ground and pound work.

00:33:55.000 He would do something that no one has ever done.

00:33:58.000 I've never seen anybody, but I guess it's because he's light.

00:34:01.000 He would get in someone's guard.

00:34:02.000 He would take them all down in the beginning of his career, get in their guard, and then he would, like, raise up and, like, lift them up, slam them down, and at the same time ricochet into elbows.

00:34:13.000 Oof.

00:34:14.000 Nobody else has ever done that.

00:34:15.000 He would be in there guard holding him, pick him up, slam him, and then boom!

00:34:19.000 He's got like a crazy little move.

00:34:19.000 Land elbows.

00:34:21.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:34:22.000 He's a smart dude, man.

00:34:24.000 And then he decided, you know what?

00:34:25.000 I'm just gonna stand up with fools.

00:34:26.000 And then he just, he liked standing up.

00:34:28.000 Explosive, man.

00:34:29.000 And he started getting really good at finishing too.

00:34:31.000 That's when Uriah Faber was a wrestler.

00:34:34.000 He did Abu Dhabi 2005. He went against Pahumpina, black belt.

00:34:38.000 How did he do?

00:34:39.000 He was a blue belt at the time, but he was an amazing wrestler.

00:34:41.000 And he stalemated Pahumpina.

00:34:44.000 I think he beat him because he was on top.

00:34:47.000 Pahumpina couldn't get on top.

00:34:49.000 So he beat him on points?

00:34:50.000 Yeah.

00:34:50.000 Advantage?

00:34:52.000 I won't say who he was wrestling with, but I watched Henner Gracie.

00:34:57.000 I'd never seen Jiu Jitsu on that level, where I was way close.

00:35:00.000 I really honestly had never seen that, where he took high level monster dudes and was tapping them at will.

00:35:08.000 Mixed martial arts guys.

00:35:09.000 Yes, mixed martial arts guys.

00:35:11.000 Who, Henner?

00:35:12.000 Henner Gracie.

00:35:13.000 At the Gracie Academy.

00:35:15.000 I've actually never seen that kind of effortless excellence with guys who are just huge and strong.

00:35:22.000 Yeah, Henry and Aaron are very, very good.

00:35:24.000 They're very good.

00:35:25.000 Imagine being raised from the time you're a baby, your dad.

00:35:29.000 How could they not be amazing?

00:35:31.000 That's what I told Brian.

00:35:32.000 It's like they've been doing it since they were in labor.

00:35:34.000 I talked to him about that and I said, You know, you seem to be like you're chunking information.

00:35:40.000 So what happens is as soon as they do something, you've already been there.

00:35:43.000 You know exactly what's going on and you're way ahead of them.

00:35:45.000 He goes, that's exactly right.

00:35:46.000 So his body position is already, he's already ahead of you.

00:35:49.000 Are you really telling this to Eddie Bravo?

00:35:51.000 How fucking dare you?

00:35:52.000 That's why I was bringing it up.

00:35:53.000 I was like, that's how it must feel, right, Eddie?

00:35:56.000 He's getting his heart back.

00:35:58.000 Is she going to do something cool?

00:35:59.000 Reclaimed his heart.

00:36:00.000 Remember that last girl doing the raise the roof?

00:36:02.000 Yeah, the kiss.

00:36:03.000 You got to mix it up.

00:36:03.000 Well, she did a kiss and then she draws you in.

00:36:05.000 A backhand kiss.

00:36:11.000 That's the new shit.

00:36:13.000 That might be on Instagram.

00:36:15.000 All the bitches are going to be doing that.

00:36:16.000 Mario Yamasaki is going to be pissed because he's not even online.

00:36:19.000 Why does he do that heart thing?

00:36:20.000 Is that to me?

00:36:23.000 There's a rumor it's to me.

00:36:25.000 There's a rumor going on.

00:36:26.000 Hey, Mario.

00:36:28.000 We need to have a talk with the ring card girls coming for something cool.

00:36:31.000 Sir, try not to shave the middle of your head like that.

00:36:34.000 Alcantara on his back, very little flexibility, trying to work that rubber guard.

00:36:37.000 Looks like a rubber guard.

00:36:38.000 Can't get it.

00:36:39.000 Look at how stiff he is.

00:36:41.000 Eddie, does that drive you crazy when you see guys like that?

00:36:43.000 When they're in this position where, man, if that dude had some flexibility, he'd have full control of that spot.

00:36:48.000 It doesn't piss me off ever.

00:36:50.000 Come on, son.

00:36:51.000 I mean, I'm not pissed.

00:36:52.000 I don't mean pissed, but does it like puzzle you?

00:36:56.000 That a guy wouldn't just stretch and run those positions?

00:36:56.000 No, I understand.

00:36:58.000 No, I understand.

00:36:59.000 There's just too much to train, man.

00:37:01.000 If it worked for sure and they saw it and they didn't have to search for it and do the research and it was just in their face that it worked and everyone's doing it, they would do it.

00:37:09.000 But until then, stick to what we already know.

00:37:12.000 Let's just keep going.

00:37:13.000 Got to work on your striking.

00:37:14.000 Get your cardio together.

00:37:18.000 Unless it's mandatory.

00:37:20.000 That's what they're feeling.

00:37:21.000 It's weird he'd even go for it if it's not your shit.

00:37:21.000 I understand that.

00:37:23.000 Like, if you're not that flexible at it.

00:37:25.000 He just found himself in a spot off his back.

00:37:29.000 When you're down there panicking, especially in the first round, that's your go-to?

00:37:32.000 Yeah.

00:37:32.000 It's kind of weird.

00:37:33.000 Yeah, you got a good point.

00:37:34.000 Anybody could acquire the flexibility required.

00:37:37.000 Anybody can get into Lotus, but you have to put a lot of time into it, and most people aren't willing to put in the time.

00:37:42.000 Where the fuck is John Wayne Parr?

00:37:44.000 See if he's texting me.

00:37:46.000 I might be a little late.

00:37:47.000 My ride is driving from San Diego.

00:37:50.000 Hope that's okay.

00:37:52.000 No problem.

00:37:53.000 You're a world champion, brother.

00:37:54.000 Whatever you say.

00:37:54.000 He's a good dude, too.

00:37:55.000 John Wayne Park's a good dude.

00:37:57.000 I don't know why I love those front kicks so much.

00:37:59.000 Because they were just so damned.

00:38:02.000 We just joke about them.

00:38:03.000 Yeah.

00:38:04.000 We made that video in my garage where you were asking me about them.

00:38:07.000 I'm like, eh, it's the odds you landed it right on the chin.

00:38:09.000 Not so good.

00:38:10.000 And then boom!

00:38:11.000 And then boom!

00:38:12.000 Killing it with it.

00:38:13.000 I love it.

00:38:14.000 I don't think in my entire fighting career I ever kicked someone in the face with a front kick.

00:38:19.000 And now everyone's throwing them.

00:38:22.000 Man, you just aim for the chin, you aim for the chest, you just keep throwing them.

00:38:26.000 Boom, right down the middle.

00:38:29.000 Anderson, when he landed that fucking front kick on Vitor, it changed the whole world.

00:38:33.000 Crazy.

00:38:34.000 Everybody was like, oh, of course.

00:38:36.000 I was speechless.

00:38:37.000 Well, Steven Seagal got it on.

00:38:38.000 I was speechless when I saw that.

00:38:39.000 How about when Lyoto landed the jumping front kick karate kicker?

00:38:44.000 Knocked his teeth out.

00:38:44.000 The crane?

00:38:46.000 Up until then, it wasn't part of your training sessions.

00:38:51.000 If you were an MMA fighter.

00:38:53.000 You didn't stick that in there.

00:38:54.000 You're like, why are you practicing that shit?

00:38:56.000 It's a waste of time.

00:38:57.000 Nobody was practicing it.

00:38:58.000 But now they are.

00:38:59.000 You know what opened it up a lot in MMA as opposed to in kickboxing?

00:39:03.000 Is the takedowns and the worry about the sprawl and a lowered stance.

00:39:11.000 Yeah.

00:39:29.000 That makes sense.

00:39:30.000 Because you're not seeing it that much in kickboxing.

00:39:32.000 You're seeing front push kicks to the face a little bit in some of the kickboxing bouts and tie bouts.

00:39:32.000 No, never.

00:39:38.000 You're seeing some of that.

00:39:39.000 They really don't land, right?

00:39:40.000 They kind of just...

00:39:41.000 They kind of push back because they have a different stance.

00:39:43.000 They'll lean way back.

00:39:45.000 They'll lean back and light on their feet.

00:39:47.000 It's a different style.

00:39:49.000 The MMA fighters, a lot of them...

00:39:52.000 They're positioning them so Vitor squares off more because Vitor is always worried about the takedowns.

00:39:59.000 And he actually used to teach that at Carlson Gracie's.

00:40:02.000 He used to teach the different stance.

00:40:05.000 He was actually talking about Maury Smith at the time, who I think was the UFC heavyweight champion.

00:40:11.000 Beautiful takedown.

00:40:12.000 Yeah, I think he had beaten Mark Coleman.

00:40:14.000 Yeah.

00:40:14.000 Look at that.

00:40:15.000 Right there on his back.

00:40:16.000 Uh-oh.

00:40:16.000 Will he slip off?

00:40:17.000 Look at the grease.

00:40:17.000 Slips right off.

00:40:18.000 Look at that.

00:40:19.000 That's all grease right there.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, he's way off.

00:40:21.000 But he's still not on his own.

00:40:22.000 Oh, lost it.

00:40:23.000 Yeah.

00:40:24.000 But anyway, Vitor was explaining how Maurice still stands like a kickboxer.

00:40:29.000 And that he had to square off more.

00:40:30.000 And he's like, you have to learn how to throw all your punches from almost like a horse stance.

00:40:34.000 I mean, a square stance, much less sideways.

00:40:37.000 And if you look at a guy like Floyd Mayweather, I mean, he's coming at you like sideways, completely sideways.

00:40:43.000 And he makes a small target like that, but...

00:40:46.000 Get your leg kicked out or...

00:40:48.000 That's true, but you could also get taken down.

00:40:50.000 So the ties, they had to stand a little bit more square.

00:40:52.000 So it's more available in MMA because of the way people stand.

00:40:55.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:40:56.000 Kickboxing, they're too sideways, right?

00:40:58.000 They're too sideways and they move back too easy.

00:41:00.000 They're moving...

00:41:01.000 They're too upright, right?

00:41:02.000 Watch someone like a real high-level Thai guy.

00:41:09.000 Watch...

00:41:12.000 One of those dudes from, you know, like...

00:41:14.000 From Glory?

00:41:14.000 Bull Cow.

00:41:15.000 Bull Cow, poor Promeck.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 Watch that guy when people throw kicks at him.

00:41:17.000 That guy.

00:41:20.000 And he just fucking moves back like a snake.

00:41:22.000 Like the kick's coming towards him.

00:41:24.000 He leans way back like a snake.

00:41:26.000 And then comes back.

00:41:27.000 Matrix style.

00:41:27.000 And if the guy's trying to take you down, then it becomes even more effective.

00:41:32.000 Because now he's coming in.

00:41:32.000 Yeah.

00:41:33.000 Boom.

00:41:34.000 So you're going to catch him.

00:41:35.000 If you're leaning back like the way a lot of those guys will do and moving back and forth, it's like guys will time that, figure out when to take you down.

00:41:35.000 He's going to be open for it.

00:41:45.000 Especially if you're committing forward.

00:41:47.000 But when you don't have to worry about strike or you don't have to worry about takedowns, you change your stance and it changes what's available.

00:41:54.000 Plus with Vitor, he was more like wide stance because Vitor's a power guy.

00:42:01.000 He's trying to knock dudes out.

00:42:02.000 He's not setting shit up.

00:42:04.000 He's trying to knock a dude out.

00:42:05.000 You know what's interesting about Vitor, man?

00:42:07.000 He doesn't have big hands at all.

00:42:09.000 He doesn't have big feet either.

00:42:10.000 Yeah, small feet.

00:42:10.000 He's got like an eight-size-eight foot or something crazy.

00:42:12.000 They're not big.

00:42:13.000 They're not big.

00:42:14.000 And it's amazing how much power he's able to generate.

00:42:19.000 Like, if you watch his fight with, like, Scott Ferozo back in the day when he was 19. Old school.

00:42:24.000 I mean, he's throwing punches that you have never seen in MMA. Like Pedro Hizzo.

00:42:28.000 Didn't he fight Hizzo?

00:42:30.000 No.

00:42:30.000 No, he didn't fight.

00:42:31.000 No, he didn't fight either one of those guys.

00:42:33.000 Gonzaga didn't fight him either.

00:42:34.000 He fought back in the day.

00:42:36.000 He machine guns.

00:42:37.000 He fought Trey Tellegman.

00:42:38.000 That was his first fight in the UFC. And then right after that, he fought Scott Froese and he won the tournament.

00:42:43.000 He calls it like a heavyweight title, but it's not really heavyweight.

00:42:46.000 There was a guy he just machine-gunned who was a high-level kick.

00:42:48.000 Vandele Silva.

00:42:50.000 He just ran at him.

00:42:51.000 He hit him with a counter left hand.

00:42:54.000 He was just so much faster.

00:42:55.000 Oh, that was a big head kick by Alcantara.

00:43:00.000 His hand speed is so goddamn blazing fast that if he catches you with one, he just will blitz you with 40 more behind it before you can react.

00:43:10.000 That's what he did to Vanderlei.

00:43:11.000 He literally ran at him like chain punch style.

00:43:14.000 Right across the octagon.

00:43:16.000 I wonder what Vitor does if he loses to Weidman.

00:43:19.000 Where does he go from there?

00:43:21.000 It's going to be hard for him to go off TRT After, you know, how many years of being on it, like hardcore?

00:43:28.000 Because he was, you know, his numbers were high.

00:43:30.000 So he's getting off of what was a really high test.

00:43:36.000 Look at that!

00:43:38.000 Oh, shit.

00:43:39.000 Nice knees.

00:43:40.000 I love those.

00:43:42.000 Can you knee inside the rectal area?

00:43:44.000 That's a good question.

00:43:45.000 Very good question.

00:43:45.000 Is that legal?

00:43:46.000 It's like the cop.

00:43:47.000 They're not going to stop you.

00:43:48.000 Right in the hole.

00:43:49.000 They're not going to stop you.

00:43:50.000 They're not going to stop you.

00:43:51.000 Excuse me, sir.

00:43:52.000 No knees to the rectum.

00:43:54.000 No knees to the rectum.

00:43:54.000 You can knee like the ass cheeks.

00:43:56.000 For sure.

00:43:57.000 It's going to hurt when you cough.

00:43:59.000 You can get all up in that ass.

00:44:01.000 What the fuck were you just saying?

00:44:04.000 Vitor versus Wybin.

00:44:05.000 You know, I just don't know how he's going to be able to do it.

00:44:08.000 You know, that's the reality of getting old, man.

00:44:10.000 If you're not on some sort of hormonal replacement and you're 37, 38, 39...

00:44:15.000 44 inch heart's getting up there and your entire career you've been using some sort of hormonal assistance.

00:44:22.000 I mean, you're not even talking about a guy who's been entirely natural.

00:44:25.000 You're talking about a guy who, whoa, this dude is taking a beating, man.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, yeah, he is.

00:44:30.000 Alcantara is getting fucking...

00:44:31.000 He's getting rubbernecked.

00:44:31.000 Is he resting there?

00:44:33.000 Like his...

00:44:34.000 Oh, rolling for a knee bar.

00:44:35.000 Sick, son.

00:44:36.000 A little slippery.

00:44:37.000 Look at that.

00:44:38.000 The old possum.

00:44:39.000 Look at that.

00:44:40.000 A little slippery here.

00:44:41.000 Double outside ashi.

00:44:43.000 Is that what it's called?

00:44:43.000 A little slippery.

00:44:44.000 Yeah.

00:44:45.000 Double Outside Ashi?

00:44:46.000 What is that, the leg position?

00:44:47.000 Oh, get out though, son.

00:44:48.000 Who invented that?

00:44:49.000 I just learned that.

00:44:50.000 Who invented it?

00:44:51.000 Is that Japanese?

00:44:52.000 No, it's a position that existed as long as Catch Wrestling and all that shit existed.

00:44:57.000 It's nothing new.

00:44:58.000 I just learned the proper name.

00:45:01.000 Why is it Ashi?

00:45:03.000 I don't know, man.

00:45:04.000 That's a good question.

00:45:05.000 Is it a judo thing?

00:45:07.000 What's the origin?

00:45:08.000 I don't know.

00:45:09.000 Because all those Harigoshi and...

00:45:11.000 I always decide I'm going to learn those names one of these days.

00:45:15.000 Be a beast.

00:45:17.000 I'll tell you what I'm more excited for than even Pacquiao Mayweather is I've been talking shit to Callan about his taekwondo days for years now.

00:45:24.000 His wife has proof, I guess.

00:45:26.000 Of what?

00:45:26.000 Oh, look at this.

00:45:27.000 Oh, oh!

00:45:27.000 Look at that.

00:45:29.000 Oh, yeah, there are pictures of me.

00:45:31.000 She has pictures of him, taekwondo.

00:45:33.000 Probably flying through the air, killing a cow.

00:45:35.000 That's not to be proud of.

00:45:36.000 Probably felling a tree with one hand.

00:45:39.000 It sure isn't, by the way.

00:45:42.000 I've been calling him a liar for years now.

00:45:44.000 About his taekwondo?

00:45:46.000 About everything, though.

00:45:46.000 Yes.

00:45:47.000 Really taekwondo, though.

00:45:49.000 What did you...

00:45:50.000 Did you really get a black belt?

00:45:51.000 I was a master.

00:45:52.000 Come on.

00:45:53.000 Come on.

00:45:55.000 Did you really get a black belt?

00:45:56.000 What is rank master?

00:45:57.000 What does that mean?

00:45:58.000 How long did you train?

00:46:00.000 I went back to White Belt.

00:46:01.000 How long did you train?

00:46:02.000 Probably seven years straight.

00:46:05.000 Seven years straight?

00:46:06.000 Different places?

00:46:06.000 Where were you living?

00:46:08.000 After college.

00:46:09.000 All through college.

00:46:09.000 So you must have been training when I met you then.

00:46:12.000 And then three years after.

00:46:13.000 Probably just stopped.

00:46:14.000 I wasn't sparring then.

00:46:15.000 I probably stopped just then.

00:46:18.000 So when did you get your black belt?

00:46:20.000 1987. So how many years were you training before you got your black belt?

00:46:24.000 About two and a half.

00:46:25.000 That sounds ridiculous.

00:46:27.000 That's pretty fast, huh?

00:46:28.000 That doesn't even sound logical.

00:46:30.000 You're the BJ Penn at Taekwondo, huh?

00:46:31.000 No, Taekwondo, you get your black belt pretty quick.

00:46:34.000 I don't know where you went, but a lot faster than you get it.

00:46:36.000 They give it to 14-year-olds.

00:46:38.000 But that's kind of the idea.

00:46:39.000 When you get your black belt, then you're a student.

00:46:43.000 Now you're ready to learn.

00:46:45.000 I actually got mine in two years.

00:46:47.000 Really?

00:46:48.000 I knew you were messing with me.

00:46:51.000 Yeah, you can do it.

00:46:52.000 Especially when you're 15. When I was 15, I got mine.

00:46:55.000 Before I was 17, I had mine.

00:46:57.000 I'm just excited to see those pictures.

00:46:58.000 You can pay for it in advance, too.

00:47:00.000 You can pay for the black belt course.

00:47:02.000 Three years, you pay for it in advance.

00:47:03.000 You could at some places.

00:47:04.000 That sounds like some bullshit, gentlemen.

00:47:06.000 And then there was point fighting versus actually hitting each other.

00:47:11.000 But you know what, man?

00:47:12.000 It's like a lot of what you pick up when you're young as far as like your ability.

00:47:16.000 Oh, dude.

00:47:18.000 Counter left hand.

00:47:18.000 Beautiful.

00:47:19.000 A lot of like, you know, your ability to learn and shit is like so much better when your body's still growing.

00:47:27.000 You know, your body's like growing into throwing kicks.

00:47:30.000 It's like so easy.

00:47:31.000 You could take a 14-year-old, you teach him a little bit of Taekwondo.

00:47:34.000 In two years, they look like a wizard.

00:47:36.000 They're throwing jumping wheel kicks.

00:47:38.000 Take a 40-year-old and teach him Taekwondo in two years.

00:47:41.000 He looks like a 40-year-old that just learned Taekwondo.

00:47:44.000 He gets stiffer.

00:47:44.000 He gets stiffer, actually.

00:47:45.000 I did Taekwondo for a year.

00:47:47.000 I thought it was going to be like Bloodsport.

00:47:49.000 I did.

00:47:50.000 I wanted to be Jean-Claude Van Damme, so my dad took me and my brother Taekwondo, and they had me punching like this, you know, and blocking like this.

00:47:57.000 I said, I'm going to fuck this noise.

00:47:58.000 I laughed after a year.

00:48:00.000 Because I thought we were going to be fighting each other.

00:48:03.000 Well, no, that's what we started with, and then my dad forced me to go for probably the next eight months.

00:48:08.000 It's these schools, man.

00:48:09.000 It's like there's a lot of them that are just maximizing their income.

00:48:13.000 They're just trying to get as many students as they can, and they're not teaching the style that was what a Taekwondo originally was, which most people quit.

00:48:21.000 They'll quit.

00:48:22.000 It's too hard.

00:48:23.000 Yeah, it's too hard.

00:48:24.000 The training's too hard.

00:48:25.000 You get kicked.

00:48:26.000 Getting kicked sucks.

00:48:28.000 Yeah, especially in the head.

00:48:29.000 Yeah, most of what you're doing is getting kicked.

00:48:32.000 Dudes went to sleep in my school all the time.

00:48:34.000 You were always nervous every time you fought.

00:48:35.000 Accidentally, people would knock people out.

00:48:37.000 Yes.

00:48:38.000 Accidentally.

00:48:38.000 On purpose too, but accidentally.

00:48:40.000 Friends would knock friends out.

00:48:41.000 I've seen it happen many times.

00:48:42.000 Me too.

00:48:43.000 When I passed the test for my first green stripe on my white belt in karate, the remark on the test...

00:48:50.000 I passed the test and they said...

00:48:53.000 A fantastic overhand knife strike.

00:48:55.000 Like, that was my shit.

00:48:56.000 And I'm 22 years old and I'm thinking, fuck.

00:48:59.000 I'm telling my friends that I gotta fucking...

00:49:02.000 Look!

00:49:03.000 Damn!

00:49:03.000 I actually thought if someone fucked with me, I gotta go to my go-to first.

00:49:07.000 I'm a go-to.

00:49:08.000 You think about it.

00:49:09.000 You think about it.

00:49:09.000 I'm gonna go to my go-to.

00:49:11.000 Boom!

00:49:11.000 Did you use it in sparring?

00:49:13.000 Did you use it in sparring?

00:49:13.000 We didn't spar.

00:49:14.000 It was karate.

00:49:16.000 You didn't spar at all.

00:49:17.000 Nothing at all?

00:49:18.000 No sparring at all?

00:49:19.000 I'm gonna make an assumption here.

00:49:21.000 I would assume...

00:49:24.000 Because you guys are in taekwondo.

00:49:26.000 You guys weren't good at other sports.

00:49:30.000 That's adorable.

00:49:32.000 Is that true?

00:49:32.000 No, I was good at everything I did.

00:49:34.000 Football, basketball, baseball?

00:49:34.000 Really?

00:49:35.000 I always played baseball.

00:49:37.000 I was good at baseball.

00:49:37.000 The reason why I got into taekwondo is because I was at Fenway Park to see a baseball game.

00:49:42.000 What?

00:49:42.000 And I was leaving.

00:49:43.000 Yeah, I was obsessed with baseball.

00:49:44.000 I loved it.

00:49:45.000 Played all the time when I was a kid.

00:49:46.000 Little League and all that shit.

00:49:47.000 And then when I was leaving, I could hit a ball fucking far, dude.

00:49:52.000 When I was a kid, I had good home run power as a little kid.

00:49:57.000 I believe that, right?

00:49:58.000 Yeah.

00:49:59.000 As hard as he hits?

00:49:59.000 With his hips.

00:50:01.000 It was all the same thing.

00:50:01.000 I can see that.

00:50:02.000 It all translated into kicking and punching.

00:50:05.000 But I was obsessed with hitting home runs.

00:50:08.000 I struck out or I hit home runs.

00:50:10.000 Not a single fucking coach ever got into my head.

00:50:13.000 They're all like, look, we need to get on first base.

00:50:15.000 I go, okay, okay, okay.

00:50:17.000 Pitch comes, swinging for the fucking moon every time.

00:50:20.000 I didn't care if I struck out because I was a terrible team player.

00:50:23.000 I didn't give a fuck if we lost.

00:50:25.000 I'm hitting a home run.

00:50:26.000 That's it.

00:50:28.000 All I want is home runs.

00:50:30.000 So my coach would pull me aside.

00:50:32.000 He goes, look, you got seven home runs and 89 strikeouts.

00:50:36.000 That's what I had.

00:50:38.000 I either knock that fucking ball, but when I hit it, dude, people would go, holy shit!

00:50:45.000 I get addicted to that feeling of people going, holy shit.

00:50:48.000 So you play baseball till when?

00:50:51.000 15. Because when I was realizing that I could hit the ball harder than most people my size, it became my thing.

00:50:57.000 I get so excited about it.

00:50:58.000 So I had to practice obsessively.

00:51:01.000 And then coming home from a baseball game, went to see the Red Sox at Fenway Park.

00:51:05.000 There was the line for the tee.

00:51:07.000 Because it was the summertime.

00:51:08.000 There were all these people walking.

00:51:09.000 Everybody took the tee.

00:51:10.000 And it was a long line.

00:51:11.000 You'd have to wait like 45 minutes to get on the fucking train.

00:51:14.000 Just piles of people, all these drunks piling out of Fenway Park.

00:51:17.000 Because Fenway Park is right down the street from the tee station.

00:51:20.000 So we were walking home, and we passed by the J. Hun Kim Taekwondo Institute.

00:51:26.000 So I was already taking karate.

00:51:28.000 I was taking karate at Joe Esposito's in Newton, Massachusetts, but it's hard to get there.

00:51:34.000 There wasn't good public transportation there.

00:51:36.000 I get to the top of the stairs as we're walking up.

00:51:41.000 I'm hearing...

00:51:42.000 I'm like these chains, like because the bag's going in the air, and then the chain is like stopping it from swinging.

00:51:50.000 And I go up, and as just total synchronicity, the time I show up at the school was the time that John Lee, who was at the time the most devastating student that Mr. Kim had, as far as like knockout power, he was this really tall black dude from a really bad neighborhood.

00:52:09.000 He was like a street guy.

00:52:11.000 Who learned martial arts, learned how to fight, and had a spinning back kick that was ungodly.

00:52:16.000 To this day, people say, my spinning back kick's really good.

00:52:19.000 I'm telling you, if you saw this motherfucker kick the bag, you would go, oh.

00:52:24.000 That's where I got it from.

00:52:25.000 I got it from my first impressions.

00:52:27.000 Well, he taught me, too.

00:52:28.000 He taught me a lot of shit.

00:52:29.000 John taught me a lot of shit.

00:52:31.000 I went to a lot of tournaments with him, actually, when I was older.

00:52:35.000 I walked up, he was the national champion at the time, and he was preparing for the World Cup.

00:52:40.000 So as I walked up the stairs, it was like him in his final preparations for the World Cup.

00:52:45.000 And he was just, TRIBOOM! Just fucking this bag up.

00:52:49.000 This hundred pound bag was flying through the air and bending in half.

00:52:53.000 And I remember thinking, I never saw anybody do anything like this before.

00:52:56.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:52:57.000 I've never seen anybody do anything like this before.

00:52:59.000 And it was all about bag work.

00:53:01.000 Because Mr. Kim was like adamant about bag work.

00:53:05.000 He was like, everybody throws kicks in the air.

00:53:07.000 He goes, you gotta build resistance.

00:53:08.000 You have to hit things.

00:53:09.000 Heavy things.

00:53:10.000 He had a 200-pound bag.

00:53:12.000 He had a series of 100-pound bags and this 200-pound bag that was like as big around as Joey Diaz.

00:53:18.000 And it was like seven feet tall.

00:53:19.000 You'd kick the shit out of this fucking thing.

00:53:21.000 And that was his thing, man.

00:53:22.000 It was just building power.

00:53:24.000 So...

00:53:25.000 I became obsessed.

00:53:26.000 So you saw that and said, fuck baseball.

00:53:27.000 Quit wrestling, quit baseball, quit everything.

00:53:31.000 I was doing a bunch of sports.

00:53:32.000 But how dare you think I wasn't good at sports?

00:53:34.000 No, it's not that...

00:53:35.000 It was more like in my neighborhood, if you did taekwondo, you weren't good at anything else.

00:53:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:53:42.000 It's not a team sport.

00:53:43.000 You're not going to get picked on.

00:53:44.000 So it's like, alright, well, what can he do?

00:53:46.000 Let's put this little bastard in Taekwondo.

00:53:49.000 Especially in Denver.

00:53:52.000 Taekwondo scene's not exactly popping.

00:53:55.000 It's not popping.

00:53:56.000 It all depends.

00:53:57.000 Every martial art depends on what school you go to.

00:53:59.000 You can go to a dog shit jiu-jitsu school and it's better than nothing, but you're going to learn some shitty technique a lot of the time.

00:54:06.000 That's the same with karate.

00:54:07.000 I just got stupid lucky, man.

00:54:10.000 I was in the right place at the right time.

00:54:13.000 You can't get a better time.

00:54:15.000 This guy was kicking the fucking shit out of his bag.

00:54:18.000 The way the gym was set up, you'd get to the top of the stairs.

00:54:21.000 There's an area where you take your shoes off, and that area was right where the heavy bags were.

00:54:26.000 It was by design.

00:54:27.000 Because Mr. Kim wanted people to walk up the stairs, see someone murdering the bag, and sign up.

00:54:33.000 The desk is right there.

00:54:34.000 So that's where John was working out.

00:54:36.000 First of all, you see a guy who's a black belt, you're like, oh, he's a fucking black belt.

00:54:40.000 But you see a black belt who's actually doing real black belt shit that you expect a black belt to do.

00:54:46.000 So that was how I got hooked, just that one...

00:54:48.000 That makes sense.

00:54:48.000 Because if I came up there and there's some fucking kids class, and they're like, Hiyah!

00:54:53.000 That was my experience.

00:54:54.000 Yeah, dude.

00:54:55.000 I would have been so bummed down.

00:54:57.000 A lot of schools that make a lot of money teach just forms and point fighters.

00:55:02.000 Yes.

00:55:02.000 Because, you know, you can have a lot of money.

00:55:04.000 You can get your black belt right away.

00:55:05.000 But when people are hitting each other, those gyms have a hard time.

00:55:09.000 John didn't remember any of his forms.

00:55:11.000 That's one of the things that I learned.

00:55:13.000 Like John Lee.

00:55:13.000 He's from Chelsea.

00:55:14.000 It was a terrible neighborhood.

00:55:16.000 He didn't know any forms.

00:55:17.000 He goes, man, I remember those things just until I could forget them.

00:55:20.000 Remember that shit?

00:55:21.000 He would laugh about it.

00:55:24.000 He was a total street guy.

00:55:27.000 Like, he was a good dude, man.

00:55:28.000 You played sports, Eddie?

00:55:28.000 He had a lot of problems.

00:55:30.000 I played sports on my street.

00:55:39.000 I played football all the goddamn time on the streets with other Mexican people my size and a little older and stuff.

00:55:47.000 And I played Little League or Junior All-American football when I was nine.

00:55:53.000 I played middle linebacker and defensive end.

00:55:56.000 That's a dope shirt.

00:55:57.000 I actually thought I was going to grow up to be a football player and play maybe middle linebacker, maybe quarterback, maybe defensive end.

00:56:05.000 I was so delusional as a kid.

00:56:07.000 Junior All-American football does that.

00:56:08.000 It makes you think you're going to be a football player.

00:56:10.000 I try to play football.

00:56:12.000 My freshman year, I get into pads.

00:56:14.000 I'm in New England.

00:56:15.000 It's so cold, and I want to be a football player.

00:56:17.000 I literally was 110 pounds, and my father was so huge.

00:56:22.000 I thought I was going to grow up to be like him, so it was just a question of growing into that.

00:56:26.000 I was getting hit, and it was so cold, and I was running away from the plays.

00:56:32.000 Gary Lane came up to me, and he said, you have to wrestle.

00:56:36.000 Just wrestle people your size?

00:56:37.000 What are you doing?

00:56:39.000 Our football coach was the assistant wrestling coach.

00:56:43.000 And this motherfucker would always try to recruit people.

00:56:45.000 He's like, Rogan, you're a tough bastard.

00:56:47.000 You should be out there.

00:56:48.000 You should be out there on the fucking field.

00:56:50.000 But we had a guy in our football or in our wrestling team that was our heavyweight.

00:56:54.000 He was 300 pounds.

00:56:55.000 Oh my god.

00:56:56.000 Bobby Baker.

00:56:57.000 He was 300 pounds in high school, and I'm not joking.

00:56:59.000 He wasn't lean, okay?

00:57:01.000 But he was a giant.

00:57:02.000 He was a giant dude.

00:57:03.000 I go, and I just stood right next to him.

00:57:05.000 I go, he plays football.

00:57:07.000 I go, look, I wrestle 134. Right.

00:57:11.000 He's 300 pounds.

00:57:13.000 Impossible.

00:57:13.000 No one's breaking me.

00:57:13.000 What the fuck are you?

00:57:15.000 I'm not having someone run over me and smash me.

00:57:17.000 No thanks.

00:57:18.000 Ooh, there's going to be a tough one.

00:57:20.000 Ooh, Havilov, Rustam.

00:57:21.000 Rustam, Havilov, Rustam.

00:57:22.000 That's another different kind of white dude.

00:57:24.000 Adriano Martins is that guy that Donald Cerrone head kicked.

00:57:24.000 Yeah, he is.

00:57:27.000 Oh, that's right.

00:57:28.000 That was his last fight, right?

00:57:29.000 I believe so.

00:57:30.000 I don't know if Martins has fought on one of the undercards that I wasn't aware of.

00:57:33.000 There's so many fights going on as we were talking about.

00:57:36.000 If you're, you know, fight pass, you know, between the prelims on Fox Sports 1 and all that.

00:57:44.000 Snap!

00:57:45.000 Oh, that was awful.

00:57:47.000 He's responsible for two of the most stomach-churning submissions in the history of the UFC. What's the other one?

00:57:53.000 Tim Silvia snapped his fucking forearm in half.

00:57:56.000 Didn't even know it, right?

00:57:57.000 He wanted to keep going.

00:57:58.000 And then on Pete Williams, he did that...

00:57:59.000 He knew something was wrong.

00:58:01.000 Yeah, he did that crazy...

00:58:02.000 Americana from Full Guard kind of thingy.

00:58:04.000 That was awesome.

00:58:06.000 Frank Mayer's one of the reasons I started fighting.

00:58:08.000 No one's ever done that again.

00:58:09.000 Have you ever pulled that off, that Americana from Full Guard?

00:58:12.000 No.

00:58:13.000 Gumball guys did it after that.

00:58:14.000 They were fucking around with it.

00:58:16.000 I remember guys were fucking around with it in class, like right after that fight.

00:58:20.000 I mean, from Full Guard, it'd be tough.

00:58:22.000 It's tough.

00:58:23.000 Especially on a good guy.

00:58:24.000 He needed a very complex setup.

00:58:26.000 You're not going to get someone...

00:58:26.000 He pulled it off.

00:58:27.000 Yeah, he did.

00:58:27.000 Yeah.

00:58:28.000 It looks so good when he pulled it off.

00:58:30.000 You know, you don't think wrist locks work.

00:58:32.000 You think wrist locks are, ooh, a cute old...

00:58:35.000 Don't.

00:58:35.000 But Fred Sin Pachau, he foot-locked or wrist-locks you from full guard.

00:58:41.000 He showed me, man.

00:58:41.000 He's, fuck.

00:58:43.000 I know what he's doing now.

00:58:46.000 This is real shit.

00:58:47.000 Wrist-locks sound like something to make fun of, and no one really trains them, but there's certain guys, they get obsessed with them, and they pull them off from the guard, and they're really good.

00:58:55.000 You gotta watch your wrist.

00:58:57.000 And they'll use them to set up other things.

00:58:59.000 You have this pressure on your wrist and you pull it back.

00:59:03.000 Marcello submitted Cameron Earl with a wrist lock.

00:59:06.000 One of the turns we went to.

00:59:08.000 Was it like a wrist lock from an omoplata?

00:59:10.000 I don't know.

00:59:10.000 I don't remember.

00:59:13.000 Have you enrolled with Marcello Garcia?

00:59:15.000 It's online, bitch.

00:59:17.000 It is?

00:59:17.000 Google it.

00:59:18.000 Yeah, he beat my ass.

00:59:20.000 Really?

00:59:21.000 You can watch it on YouTube.

00:59:22.000 He's that good.

00:59:23.000 He's a wizard.

00:59:25.000 A wizard, huh?

00:59:26.000 Yeah.

00:59:27.000 There's a lot of high-level guys now, man.

00:59:29.000 I was so impressed watching Gary Tonin and Javi.

00:59:33.000 I'm so impressed with Javi.

00:59:34.000 Javi's defense is incredible.

00:59:36.000 How relaxed he is, and that guy's mounting him and going after leg locks.

00:59:40.000 But he's bigger than Javi, right?

00:59:42.000 By quite a bit.

00:59:44.000 When they were announcing the weigh-ins, they were saying 145 and 170. I don't know if that's accurate, though.

00:59:51.000 I would say Javi was not 145. I would say he was 165, 170. Easy.

00:59:57.000 Somebody must have just erroneously stated that.

00:59:59.000 And I would say, since there wasn't a weight limit...

01:00:03.000 And Gary Tonin cuts down to 70 for some fights.

01:00:06.000 I would say he could have been 175, 180. Maybe.

01:00:12.000 I don't know.

01:00:12.000 He looked big.

01:00:13.000 He looked a lot bigger than Javi.

01:00:15.000 But goddamn, that triangle was a thing of beauty, man.

01:00:17.000 Gary Tonin's fucking everybody up, man.

01:00:19.000 So good.

01:00:20.000 God.

01:00:20.000 Bam!

01:00:21.000 He's just ripping through everybody.

01:00:22.000 He's submitting everybody.

01:00:24.000 I remember when you came on the podcast, you talked about that match that he had with Krohn.

01:00:28.000 Yeah.

01:00:29.000 Oh, God.

01:00:30.000 Have you ever seen that?

01:00:30.000 I haven't seen it.

01:00:31.000 What happened?

01:00:32.000 Krohn is a fucking madman.

01:00:34.000 Nightmare.

01:00:35.000 He's a madman.

01:00:36.000 Gary Tonin was on Krohn, was beating him.

01:00:39.000 He was about to get beat.

01:00:40.000 He got his back.

01:00:41.000 He was all over Krohn.

01:00:43.000 How long?

01:00:44.000 You've never seen Krohn.

01:00:44.000 How long?

01:00:45.000 It went to the last second.

01:00:47.000 The last second, he was down, dude.

01:00:50.000 There was like a minute left.

01:00:52.000 I forget now.

01:00:53.000 It's been a while.

01:00:53.000 But there was like a minute left.

01:00:55.000 They separated, they stood, and Tonin was going to win.

01:01:00.000 Krohn needed to submit him.

01:01:02.000 So within a minute, he looks over at Hickson and he says, he just does it, man.

01:01:06.000 He takes him down, gets his back, and chokes him out with a second left.

01:01:10.000 Krohn's a special dude, man.

01:01:11.000 When I was getting ready for Metamorris, Krohn was also on the card, and so I'd go to his gym and train with him.

01:01:17.000 I remember when we got done afterwards, I was looking over, and he was doing these breathing techniques.

01:01:22.000 I was like, damn, this motherfucker's a real samurai.

01:01:24.000 I'm just White dude from Denver, like trying to do his shit, you know?

01:01:28.000 Slow his heart rate down.

01:01:30.000 Look at his dad.

01:01:31.000 You've seen the movie Choke, where his dad works on that stuff.

01:01:33.000 You should learn that shit, man.

01:01:35.000 That's an interesting thing to learn.

01:01:37.000 The breathing.

01:01:37.000 The breathing, yeah.

01:01:38.000 He does it all the time.

01:01:39.000 He took me through it.

01:01:40.000 It's just, you know, you got to do it all the time.

01:01:43.000 It's become part of your game.

01:01:44.000 You got to master your abs somehow.

01:01:46.000 He's such a beast, man.

01:01:47.000 Krohn.

01:01:48.000 He's a special, special dude.

01:01:50.000 Imagine that.

01:01:51.000 Just the genetics.

01:01:53.000 His genetics.

01:01:54.000 I mean, come on, son.

01:01:55.000 You're born into the greatest jiu-jitsu family.

01:01:58.000 Fuck that.

01:01:59.000 The greatest martial arts family.

01:02:01.000 By a long shot.

01:02:02.000 Like, what's the second greatest martial arts family other than the Gracies?

01:02:05.000 How about your dad is Hickson?

01:02:08.000 You know, your dad's not Helson.

01:02:10.000 I'm not playing the flute.

01:02:10.000 Your dad's not Carlson.

01:02:12.000 What if you did, though?

01:02:13.000 Yeah.

01:02:13.000 What if you were all into the fluting dudes?

01:02:15.000 No.

01:02:17.000 Those things go handed in.

01:02:19.000 Come on, flautists are not all into dudes.

01:02:21.000 What if you wore a scarf and were into flutes and dudes?

01:02:27.000 And you're a Gracie, like Hicks and Sun.

01:02:29.000 You just say fuck it.

01:02:30.000 I was dying to get the word flautist out all night, finally.

01:02:34.000 It's been right in my throat, bottled up all year.

01:02:38.000 How many times a year do you use floutist, do you think?

01:02:40.000 It depends.

01:02:42.000 On a good year, a crazy flout-filled year.

01:02:44.000 I bet you say it every time on your own podcast.

01:02:47.000 Yeah, I start my own podcast because it's really intellectual.

01:02:51.000 I have to say, I've always fantasized about being a floutist.

01:02:54.000 And now the prime calendar.

01:02:55.000 No, if you had to be honest, how many times a year do you think you break out the word floutist?

01:03:00.000 It is a word that I think about a lot, and I just never have time to really work it in until just now because I don't have sophisticated company.

01:03:07.000 I'm pretty sure that that's the only time I've ever said it, is repeating you just now.

01:03:11.000 That's the first time I've ever heard it.

01:03:13.000 I gotta be honest.

01:03:14.000 I don't think I've ever said it.

01:03:15.000 But I expect that with a guy who came in with a scarf.

01:03:18.000 A cashmere scarf.

01:03:19.000 100%.

01:03:19.000 We went deer hunting.

01:03:21.000 He was wearing cashmere.

01:03:22.000 He was calling himself the cashmere killer.

01:03:24.000 He's in Montana.

01:03:25.000 The cashmere killer?

01:03:26.000 Did he kill anything?

01:03:28.000 Yeah, he killed a deer.

01:03:29.000 Really?

01:03:29.000 One of the most desolate spots in North America.

01:03:33.000 I mean, it's fucking wilderness.

01:03:34.000 There's no one out there.

01:03:35.000 He's wearing cashmere.

01:03:37.000 I love it.

01:03:37.000 You can't grow anything.

01:03:39.000 You get to the top of a mountain, and you're looking for deer, and you look off at how remote you are, the area you're in.

01:03:39.000 It's ridiculous.

01:03:46.000 That sounds pretty cool.

01:03:47.000 It's really weird.

01:03:49.000 And then you look over, and there's Callan and Kashmir.

01:03:52.000 Cashman and cell phone.

01:03:54.000 Cell phone doesn't work.

01:03:55.000 Sipping wine.

01:03:56.000 No, dude, you're in the middle of nowhere.

01:03:57.000 You can't grow anything.

01:03:57.000 You're in clay, too.

01:03:59.000 You walk around in clay.

01:04:00.000 It's crazy.

01:04:01.000 Cactus clay and rye weed grow there.

01:04:06.000 Well, you know why it's clay?

01:04:07.000 It's literally the bottom of an ancient sea.

01:04:10.000 It's the Great Western Inland Sea.

01:04:13.000 They have dinosaurs fucking roaming around there.

01:04:15.000 You find shells.

01:04:17.000 You find seashells there.

01:04:19.000 Millions of years ago, that was an ocean.

01:04:22.000 Eddie, you don't hunt?

01:04:23.000 You don't go with these guys hunting?

01:04:24.000 No, no.

01:04:25.000 It's not your thing.

01:04:26.000 It should be, right?

01:04:29.000 It should be.

01:04:29.000 I've never tried it.

01:04:31.000 If the shit goes down, you know, guys that know how to hunt, those are the guys you want to power up with.

01:04:36.000 It's just fun, though.

01:04:36.000 When you're hunting, the fun is actually the amount you laugh together.

01:04:42.000 You and I laugh more when we hunt, because a lot of times it's cold and a little bit miserable.

01:04:48.000 And they don't know anybody like us.

01:04:50.000 They don't ever have comedians come hunting with them.

01:04:53.000 It's true.

01:04:54.000 So Joe and I have a captive audience.

01:04:56.000 They have nowhere to go.

01:04:57.000 It's great.

01:04:58.000 In all fairness, I have a captive audience.

01:04:59.000 I mean, you have a captive audience and me.

01:05:01.000 I bring you along because I know he's always on.

01:05:04.000 Plus, we can talk.

01:05:06.000 We could have real conversations, especially the first day.

01:05:09.000 I'm like, I don't know how weird these guys are going to fucking get.

01:05:12.000 Who knows?

01:05:13.000 This could be a disaster.

01:05:15.000 Who knows what kind of guys we're going with.

01:05:17.000 Yeah, you have to go.

01:05:18.000 Literally, I go there and I go like this.

01:05:20.000 I go, oh, I'm going to make Joe laugh all fucking day.

01:05:23.000 That's my job.

01:05:24.000 All we did was just howl laughing.

01:05:27.000 Shoot things and howl laughing.

01:05:29.000 Are the other guys laughing?

01:05:30.000 Oh my God, we're crying.

01:05:31.000 They had a five-day Brian Callen comedy show.

01:05:34.000 By the end of it, they knew the rhythm, too.

01:05:36.000 They knew it was all gay stuff.

01:05:37.000 So anytime, they would bend over to pick up firewood.

01:05:42.000 You're not doing this right.

01:05:42.000 Let me help you out.

01:05:43.000 You're not doing this right.

01:05:45.000 A hunting show?

01:05:47.000 What's the hips?

01:05:47.000 Polish?

01:05:49.000 The buttocks?

01:05:50.000 Look at the red hair.

01:05:51.000 That could work, man.

01:05:52.000 A hunting show with that character?

01:05:53.000 You could do that in many episodes.

01:05:55.000 I basically sexually harassed Dan Doty the whole time.

01:05:58.000 And it's in these shows?

01:06:00.000 No, no, no.

01:06:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:01.000 They didn't.

01:06:02.000 Very little.

01:06:03.000 What you see on the show is just the usable parts.

01:06:08.000 It's a hunting show on the Sportsman's channel.

01:06:10.000 They didn't show any of the fucking at all.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, give me some of that wine, too.

01:06:15.000 What kind of wine you got there, fella?

01:06:16.000 It's a nice, it's a beautiful Toscana, Toscani, Ducali.

01:06:20.000 But it's very satisfying, Eddie.

01:06:23.000 You would enjoy, you love meat, man.

01:06:25.000 I don't love meat that much.

01:06:27.000 I don't like any game meat, like elk.

01:06:29.000 Oh, you don't know.

01:06:30.000 You say that, you don't know.

01:06:30.000 I've never had it.

01:06:31.000 I try it at Fuddruckers, they have all that shit.

01:06:34.000 Jesus Christ, Eddie, just stop right now.

01:06:37.000 That's like saying karate doesn't work.

01:06:38.000 I saw Fred Villari's class.

01:06:39.000 They do, they have elk!

01:06:40.000 But Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, first of all, that's farm-raised elk.

01:06:44.000 It's farm-raised elk.

01:06:45.000 It might as well be a cow.

01:06:46.000 They grow those fucking things in cages in New Zealand.

01:06:48.000 They cut the meat up and they ship it over here.

01:06:50.000 You're not getting wild elk from North America because wild elk from North America you can't sell.

01:06:56.000 I don't like camping, dude.

01:06:57.000 I don't like camping.

01:06:58.000 You don't have to camp.

01:06:59.000 You can stay in lodges.

01:07:00.000 Stay in lodges, a lot of times, we've done it hardcore, but we've also done it where we stay in a house.

01:07:05.000 That's different.

01:07:06.000 We've done it hardcore twice, like hardcore.

01:07:09.000 I'm not a jungle guy.

01:07:10.000 I'm letting Ranella know.

01:07:12.000 I'm not into jungles.

01:07:13.000 Will you go to a jungle hunt, like leopards?

01:07:15.000 I've been to a jungle leopard.

01:07:16.000 The problem is, no, I've been to a jungle.

01:07:18.000 You don't want to be in the jungle, and I've been in the jungle.

01:07:21.000 I've been in the rainforest.

01:07:21.000 I'd rather do that.

01:07:22.000 Fuck, you like jungles.

01:07:23.000 No, no, no, listen to me.

01:07:24.000 Hey, listen, you've got to hear this, because he actually was working as a bug scientist.

01:07:28.000 I went to Indonesia and went and tracked orangutans.

01:07:31.000 Let me tell you why you never want to go in the jungle.

01:07:33.000 Ever, ever.

01:07:34.000 Dude, bugs.

01:07:35.000 You'll get eaten by mosquitoes.

01:07:37.000 You have to carry a sulfur coil, not just bug spray.

01:07:41.000 A sulfur coil.

01:07:42.000 You have to sit in your hammock.

01:07:43.000 Please don't lie on the ground, because if you lie on the ground, leeches will get in your skin, and not to mention those wonderful ants and wasps.

01:07:50.000 Bullet ants?

01:07:51.000 The story you told about putting the turpentine on the posts of the...

01:07:51.000 What about you?

01:07:55.000 Yeah, you have to put turpentine.

01:07:56.000 So every house there is raised up and you put turpentine.

01:08:00.000 You soak the wood in turpentine.

01:08:02.000 Why?

01:08:03.000 Because you don't want to be in the way of the soldier ants when they're hunting.

01:08:07.000 If they're foraging, they'll walk right over you.

01:08:10.000 If they're hunting, they will come up those posts, they will come into your hut and kill you.

01:08:17.000 And they'll jump on you, they'll basically cover you, and sting you and you.

01:08:21.000 So that's a normal thing.

01:08:22.000 That happens.

01:08:23.000 Dude, they kill elephants.

01:08:25.000 What?

01:08:26.000 Is this only in Indonesia?

01:08:27.000 Is this only in Indonesia?

01:08:29.000 No, in Africa as well.

01:08:30.000 They climb into an elephant's ear, and they'll start eating its fucking brain.

01:08:35.000 You can hear them coming.

01:08:37.000 That's how many there are for real.

01:08:38.000 You can hear a buzz.

01:08:40.000 You want to hear a crazy statistic?

01:08:43.000 Here's a crazy statistic about ants.

01:08:45.000 The body mass, like the weight of ants on earth, the amount of ants is exactly the same or close to it as the weight of people.

01:08:54.000 That's how many ants there are.

01:08:54.000 It's pretty nuts.

01:08:55.000 It's a shitload of ants.

01:08:56.000 Now, how do these Amazon Indians survive, these bugs?

01:09:02.000 What was very interesting is that the Dayak, who I was with, they don't sweat, even though you're sweating, losing gallons of water.

01:09:07.000 They don't sweat.

01:09:08.000 They've adapted to their environment so they can...

01:09:10.000 And bugs don't...

01:09:12.000 The mosquitoes don't really bite them.

01:09:14.000 Why?

01:09:15.000 Because they, over millennia, they developed, they evolved to develop resistance to bugs, to the bugs of that area.

01:09:21.000 What?

01:09:22.000 That's crazy.

01:09:23.000 That makes sense.

01:09:24.000 So they see Americans.

01:09:25.000 That totally makes sense.

01:09:26.000 But there's some bugs that still get them.

01:09:28.000 Ranella was in Bolivia.

01:09:28.000 Sure.

01:09:30.000 You know, Ranella just got back from Bolivia where he ate a monkey.

01:09:30.000 Wasps.

01:09:33.000 They shot and cooked and ate a monkey.

01:09:33.000 Oh my God.

01:09:35.000 Not him, but the people.

01:09:37.000 No, he didn't get sick, but it's disturbing, dude.

01:09:40.000 Watching them throw this monkey on the fire, it looks very, very fucking human.

01:09:45.000 Like a big-ass monkey?

01:09:47.000 Like a chimpanzee or what?

01:09:48.000 No, a monkey with a tail.

01:09:50.000 A little monkey with a tail?

01:09:52.000 But he got stung by a bullet ant when he was there.

01:09:55.000 And he was in agony, man.

01:09:56.000 They say it's the worst.

01:09:58.000 But those guys get stung, too, as a part of their coming-of-age ritual.

01:10:01.000 They're not immune to that shit.

01:10:02.000 No, they're not.

01:10:03.000 Wasps could give a shit how long you've lived in the area.

01:10:06.000 It's going to hurt just as much.

01:10:08.000 Jabilov and Martins is an interesting fight, man.

01:10:11.000 Because Jabilov's coming off that loss to Benson Henderson.

01:10:14.000 It was a close fight.

01:10:15.000 Yep.

01:10:15.000 Got pulled into deep water.

01:10:16.000 But he's beating good guys.

01:10:18.000 He beat Jorge Masvidal.

01:10:19.000 Remember, he hit him with that weird wheel kick?

01:10:21.000 Yeah.

01:10:21.000 Really awkward wheel kick.

01:10:23.000 He's a really good grappler.

01:10:25.000 Really good.

01:10:26.000 He was a world champion sambo, I think.

01:10:28.000 Yeah, he was.

01:10:29.000 That's correct.

01:10:30.000 And his suplexes are off the charts.

01:10:33.000 They'll throw you on your head.

01:10:34.000 Yeah.

01:10:34.000 But Martins is high-level Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, good kickboxer.

01:10:38.000 He was holding his own with Cowboy.

01:10:40.000 I mean, he was hanging in there until he got head kicked.

01:10:43.000 I mean, Cowboy was setting him up.

01:10:45.000 Yeah.

01:10:45.000 But he was doing well up to that moment.

01:10:47.000 He's a good fighter.

01:10:50.000 Cowboy's just so fast, those head kicks.

01:10:52.000 And he's not afraid to fight off his back, so he's not scared of throwing that, you know?

01:10:56.000 Yeah, he's not worried about anything.

01:10:57.000 Having a good guard, Eddie always said this, so huge for kickboxers.

01:11:02.000 Cowboys fighting Khabib?

01:11:04.000 I don't know.

01:11:05.000 That's what we're talking about there.

01:11:06.000 I gotta work on my guard.

01:11:08.000 You gotta have a good guard with that motherfucker.

01:11:10.000 I'll have one.

01:11:10.000 Yeah, that's a weird fight.

01:11:12.000 That's a weird fight.

01:11:13.000 Tough fight.

01:11:14.000 Tough fight for anybody.

01:11:16.000 Yeah, well, for both of them.

01:11:17.000 But if there's any time to fight Khabib, it's now off this long layoff.

01:11:21.000 Long layoff and knee surgery.

01:11:22.000 Who knows, like, where his knee's really at.

01:11:24.000 Ooh, great takedown.

01:11:26.000 And his back.

01:11:27.000 Oh, shit.

01:11:29.000 Nope.

01:11:30.000 Look at this.

01:11:31.000 Rustam on his back.

01:11:32.000 Interesting to see how they get that.

01:11:34.000 How's our guard look?

01:11:35.000 How's our guard look?

01:11:36.000 Wall crawl.

01:11:37.000 Damn.

01:11:38.000 He doesn't like it.

01:11:39.000 Are you allowed to grab the fence?

01:11:41.000 Look at him getting him off the fence.

01:11:42.000 But you might as well because all they do is warn you.

01:11:44.000 Pushing him away from the fence.

01:11:46.000 That's awesome, right?

01:11:47.000 It's great controlling that leg.

01:11:49.000 So interesting.

01:11:50.000 Kamala does not want this jujitsu guy on.

01:11:53.000 Look at him getting up.

01:11:55.000 Not today, my friend.

01:11:57.000 Not today, my friend.

01:12:00.000 Man, that's some good jets right there.

01:12:02.000 He's got good jets.

01:12:04.000 See all that grease?

01:12:05.000 See how they just slip so easy?

01:12:08.000 His thing was the suplex, and then guys get aware of it, and once you get to a certain level, it's kind of taken away.

01:12:14.000 He's got to be freaking out now that someone took him down and engaged him in grappling, right?

01:12:19.000 True.

01:12:20.000 That was a high-level takedown.

01:12:21.000 That looked like a college wrestler takedown.

01:12:23.000 Yeah, that looked great.

01:12:24.000 That's his world.

01:12:25.000 I mean, that's Hobby Lob's world, and all of a sudden, he's on his back for the first time in his UFC career.

01:12:28.000 He's been trying to stand up more lately.

01:12:30.000 He did great.

01:12:32.000 This black belt got on top and couldn't do anything.

01:12:35.000 Dude, that's a nice right hand.

01:12:37.000 He threw that, like, that's like a semi-Chuck Liddell style over here on the right.

01:12:43.000 Yeah, I mean, Martins didn't really threaten him at all, right?

01:12:47.000 No.

01:12:48.000 Brazilians have great skin.

01:12:49.000 There, I said it.

01:12:49.000 Beautiful.

01:12:51.000 Caramel.

01:12:53.000 Yeah, I'm not mad at it.

01:12:55.000 Nah.

01:12:56.000 No reason to be.

01:12:57.000 You know what I mean, Brendan?

01:12:57.000 Yeah, I feel you.

01:12:58.000 Good stuff.

01:12:59.000 You have had that kind of skin.

01:13:00.000 Don't sell yourself short.

01:13:00.000 So does Eddie.

01:13:01.000 No, not really.

01:13:02.000 Congrats to both of you.

01:13:03.000 Listen, if Yellowstone blows, we might all be living in Brazil in five years.

01:13:08.000 Yeah.

01:13:09.000 Yellowstone explodes and half the fucking country's dead.

01:13:12.000 Is there a chance of that?

01:13:14.000 Fuck yeah, a giant chance.

01:13:15.000 Yeah, it's a giant one.

01:13:16.000 Huge chance.

01:13:17.000 It's no bullshit.

01:13:18.000 It's a continent killer.

01:13:20.000 Really?

01:13:21.000 Oh yeah.

01:13:21.000 Well, why the fuck isn't CNN telling me this?

01:13:23.000 Dude, it's...

01:13:24.000 Whoa!

01:13:25.000 Nice kick by Martins.

01:13:28.000 It's what they call a caldera volcano, which is a volcano that's so violent that it starts out as like a mountain.

01:13:35.000 The mountain explodes, and what you're left with is a crater that they have to look at from satellites to even recognize what it is.

01:13:43.000 They didn't even know it was a volcano until, like, the 2000s.

01:13:47.000 Like, when they started looking at the area with satellite imagery, they started going, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck are we looking at here?

01:13:56.000 And then they went, oh...

01:13:58.000 Gee, oh no.

01:14:00.000 I realize it's 600 kilometers wide.

01:14:04.000 That's why.

01:14:05.000 There's nothing we can do?

01:14:06.000 Oh, not only is there nothing you can do.

01:14:08.000 Get a cork, a huge cork.

01:14:09.000 Where's this?

01:14:10.000 It goes off every six to eight Yellowstone.

01:14:11.000 Oh, okay.

01:14:12.000 It goes off every six to eight hundred thousand years.

01:14:15.000 Well, when's the last time it went off?

01:14:16.000 Six to eight hundred thousand years.

01:14:17.000 Six to eight hundred thousand years.

01:14:17.000 So we got two hundred thousand.

01:14:18.000 We're good.

01:14:19.000 If we're lucky.

01:14:19.000 It could go off tomorrow.

01:14:21.000 I mean, they've had thousands of earthquakes every year for a long time.

01:14:24.000 They have thousands of earthquakes every year.

01:14:27.000 Like, if you go to Yellowstone, almost every day, you're going to have a fucking earthquake.

01:14:31.000 Sometimes multiple.

01:14:33.000 Hey, he's here!

01:14:34.000 John Wayne Parr, ladies and gentlemen.

01:14:36.000 Come on in, buddy.

01:14:37.000 Have a seat.

01:14:38.000 We're on the air right now.

01:14:42.000 What's up, brother?

01:14:43.000 How are you?

01:14:43.000 Thanks for coming.

01:14:44.000 Thank you.

01:14:45.000 Come on, sit down.

01:14:46.000 Do you have any alpha brains here?

01:14:48.000 There's something over there?

01:14:53.000 How you doing buddy?

01:14:55.000 What's up brother?

01:14:55.000 Good to see you.

01:14:58.000 You scare me with that talk, Joe.

01:14:59.000 I gotta be honest, my man.

01:15:00.000 That's why I don't smoke weed, because if I did, I'd be running for the hills right now, packing my shit and moving to Brazil.

01:15:05.000 Well, it's something to be afraid of.

01:15:06.000 But there's nothing anybody can do about it.

01:15:08.000 You'd have to just get to another spot.

01:15:10.000 And Brazil's my only option?

01:15:12.000 Well, Australia would be a good option.

01:15:14.000 I'm not mad at that.

01:15:15.000 John Wayne Parr will let you fucking know.

01:15:17.000 Can I crash on your couch, John?

01:15:19.000 We might have to move to Australia if the Yellowstone blows.

01:15:21.000 Can we crash at your place?

01:15:22.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:15:23.000 Hell yeah.

01:15:24.000 Australians are so friendly.

01:15:25.000 Well, there's the plan.

01:15:26.000 Plan B, gentlemen.

01:15:30.000 This dude is your friend?

01:15:32.000 Hi, this is Andy.

01:15:33.000 Oh, hey Andy.

01:15:33.000 What's up, man?

01:15:34.000 Get him a chair or something, Jamie.

01:15:36.000 We got a chair for him.

01:15:37.000 Let's have him sit down.

01:15:38.000 Well, we're watching Rustam Habilov and Adriano Martins.

01:15:43.000 First round, very good round for Martins.

01:15:45.000 Martins won that round.

01:15:47.000 John Wayne Parr, multiple-time Muay Thai world champion in the motherfucking house.

01:15:52.000 Oh, this is amazing to be here.

01:15:53.000 Good to have you, brother.

01:15:55.000 Flying over from another part of the world.

01:15:57.000 We're talking about places to escape when Yellowstone, the super volcano, explodes and kills everybody in North America.

01:16:03.000 So Australia is a strong possibility.

01:16:05.000 Now, I feel like you just broke news on that.

01:16:08.000 No.

01:16:08.000 Everybody knows about it.

01:16:09.000 You guys all knew?

01:16:10.000 You knew this?

01:16:10.000 Yeah.

01:16:10.000 Only through Joe.

01:16:12.000 Only through Joe.

01:16:12.000 But it's one of those things that if it does blow, don't worry.

01:16:16.000 You're dying and it's fine.

01:16:17.000 Well, you might die slow if you're anywhere outside of the perimeter of death.

01:16:21.000 From fire.

01:16:22.000 It's not that bad.

01:16:23.000 Everything 100 miles around it is dead instantly.

01:16:27.000 What about Yellowstone here?

01:16:30.000 We're fucked.

01:16:30.000 We live on the beach.

01:16:31.000 You're going to be eating people.

01:16:35.000 I'll jump in the ocean, son.

01:16:36.000 You're dying by lava.

01:16:37.000 Don't worry.

01:16:38.000 It's just liquid stone.

01:16:39.000 Yeah, but it's just the heat and the gas in the air.

01:16:42.000 You're the last one to go.

01:16:43.000 You're the last one.

01:16:44.000 And you can get on your boogie board and...

01:16:46.000 What is the lava gonna do in the ocean?

01:16:49.000 What would probably happen is that the sun would get completely blotted out.

01:16:53.000 That's what's up.

01:16:54.000 No more vegetables.

01:16:55.000 Most animals would die.

01:16:56.000 Rotten meat everywhere.

01:16:58.000 Can your food, you fuck.

01:16:59.000 Diseases.

01:17:00.000 I'll tell you this, you guys are fucked in Calabasas.

01:17:03.000 Everybody's fucked.

01:17:05.000 Everybody's fucked everywhere, man.

01:17:07.000 Dude, they're fucked.

01:17:08.000 You're fucked.

01:17:08.000 First of all, guess what, fuckface?

01:17:10.000 The beach ain't even going to be there.

01:17:11.000 Because if you've got a super volcano, you're dealing with massive earthquakes, tsunamis without a doubt.

01:17:16.000 No.

01:17:17.000 Going the other way.

01:17:19.000 You'll catch a wave all the way to Japan.

01:17:23.000 Just accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

01:17:26.000 Remember Escape from L.A.? Dude, he was on a wave.

01:17:31.000 So ridiculous.

01:17:32.000 It's like on green screen and he's surfing on green screen.

01:17:35.000 So we're just all screwed what you're saying.

01:17:37.000 No, just accept Jesus Christ as your savior and you'll be fine.

01:17:39.000 It's one of those things where when it does blow, it's going to kill a major chunk of the population of the world.

01:17:45.000 Not just the United States, but of the world.

01:17:48.000 There's one that happened in Indonesia 70,000 years ago, and they think it's one of the main reasons why there's, like, when you trace the genetic lineage, damn, that was a good fucking fight.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, it is.

01:17:58.000 Hobby Lob just cracked him with the left hook.

01:18:00.000 Damn, this guy can take a shot, man.

01:18:02.000 Yeah.

01:18:03.000 They think there's one of the, one of the, oh, I like that step in elbow.

01:18:08.000 Hobby Lob is feeling it.

01:18:09.000 He touched the leg.

01:18:09.000 Oh!

01:18:10.000 Body shot.

01:18:11.000 That was a nasty body shot.

01:18:13.000 How do you take that, damn it?

01:18:15.000 Dude, he's throwing fucking heat.

01:18:17.000 There he is.

01:18:18.000 Uppercuts, mixing his punches.

01:18:20.000 I call that mixing your punches up.

01:18:24.000 Tell John Wayne Barth.

01:18:26.000 John, John, that's called mixing your punches up, John.

01:18:29.000 Watch the angle.

01:18:30.000 It's called cutting the corner.

01:18:31.000 Is anything he's saying makes sense?

01:18:33.000 Does that make sense at all?

01:18:34.000 You'll have to draw a diagram.

01:18:36.000 I will.

01:18:37.000 I will.

01:18:37.000 Take my workshop, bro.

01:18:38.000 I don't have room for you this weekend.

01:18:40.000 Next weekend, there's a lot of hands-on touching.

01:18:43.000 A lot of spiritual and emotional work.

01:18:45.000 Oh!

01:18:45.000 Good left hand.

01:18:46.000 First, we have a good cry and hold each other's.

01:18:50.000 A lot of hands-on touching.

01:18:52.000 A lot of hands-on touching.

01:18:53.000 We do not wear pants.

01:18:54.000 We have a strictly no pants policy.

01:18:57.000 It's like Nogi, but sort of...

01:18:59.000 Well, the first class is called...

01:19:00.000 It's like Nogi.

01:19:01.000 Yeah, it's like Nogi.

01:19:02.000 First class is called I Fuck Guys.

01:19:04.000 Okay, apparently there's ten super volcanoes that can destroy the world.

01:19:08.000 Ten.

01:19:09.000 Ten.

01:19:10.000 Jesus Christ.

01:19:11.000 There's one in Japan.

01:19:12.000 There's one in Colombia.

01:19:14.000 Those are the conspiracy theorists of geology.

01:19:16.000 That's right.

01:19:17.000 For sure.

01:19:18.000 It's gonna blow!

01:19:19.000 Fuck, man.

01:19:20.000 You can't even go to Mexico.

01:19:21.000 They have one in Mexico.

01:19:23.000 Most scientists are saying, come on.

01:19:24.000 Shut the fuck up.

01:19:25.000 Yeah, scientists are like, shut up.

01:19:26.000 We've still got a couple million years.

01:19:28.000 Shut up.

01:19:28.000 That's how it happens.

01:19:28.000 Don't scare them.

01:19:30.000 Mount Vesuvius.

01:19:31.000 Well, they've killed a fuckload of people before.

01:19:33.000 Alex Jones of volcanoes.

01:19:34.000 Can you imagine?

01:19:35.000 What if Alex Jones got into volcanoes?

01:19:38.000 Forget the economy.

01:19:39.000 It's not about the economy anymore.

01:19:41.000 I feel like the chances of it ending America, a volcano, is pretty low.

01:19:47.000 Well, it's only pretty low because our lifetimes are very short.

01:19:51.000 You haven't seen Dante speak?

01:19:53.000 I have.

01:19:54.000 It's chances of ending America are 100%.

01:20:00.000 It's 100%.

01:20:01.000 Over the course of the entire...

01:20:03.000 Over the course of the next 200 plus thousand years, it's 100%.

01:20:07.000 That makes sense.

01:20:07.000 So it's not whether or not it's going to end America.

01:20:10.000 It's fucking going to end America.

01:20:11.000 It's just whether or not you're going to be alive to see it happen.

01:20:14.000 100%.

01:20:14.000 Or whether or not there'll be society at that point.

01:20:17.000 And whether or not we've been hit by an asteroid already.

01:20:20.000 Or we might all be on Mars by that time.

01:20:21.000 Could be.

01:20:22.000 Could be on Mars.

01:20:24.000 Never know.

01:20:25.000 Why do you choose Mars?

01:20:27.000 Well, it's the only one I hear that we're exploring right now.

01:20:29.000 Good point.

01:20:31.000 So the one in Indonesia is the one I think that they believe killed so many fucking people that that's why when they do like a genetic lineage, when they test, you know, people's genes and they try to find the unique origin of mankind, they believe it all comes back to this one group of people that survived the super volcano that blew 70,000 years ago.

01:20:52.000 So, sleep tight there in Venice.

01:20:54.000 Abbot Kinney Fight Club.

01:20:56.000 Try fighting that.

01:20:58.000 What happened with South Africa being the cradle of civilization?

01:21:01.000 Well, that's where people started for sure, but they moved.

01:21:04.000 Oh, damn!

01:21:05.000 That was a beautiful left hook.

01:21:08.000 We were talking so much shit, we missed that.

01:21:10.000 Well, we're talking legit.

01:21:11.000 We're trying to tell people, get your shit together, because this volcano's about to blow to any side.

01:21:14.000 It's not about the UFC anymore.

01:21:16.000 I'm telling them it doesn't matter.

01:21:17.000 Even if you get your shit together.

01:21:18.000 If you live in America and it happens, most people are dead.

01:21:21.000 It's a continent killer.

01:21:22.000 My father used to ruin everybody's day.

01:21:24.000 We'd be opening presents at Christmas.

01:21:26.000 He'd look up from his book and go...

01:21:27.000 In the 1930s, 13 million people died of starvation in the Ukraine.

01:21:32.000 Enjoy yourself.

01:21:33.000 Go back to his book.

01:21:34.000 I was like, oh, fuck off.

01:21:35.000 Is that a real number?

01:21:37.000 Well, if you look at the greater area of...

01:21:41.000 Before World War II, when Stalin starved the Ukraine, the number is crazy high.

01:21:50.000 And I think overall, if you consider Latvia and all those areas, the Baltic States, it's about 13 million.

01:21:56.000 John Wayne Parr, I'm sorry to change subjects here, but when you're watching MMA and you're watching, like, striking, you know, we were talking about this earlier with Eddie Bravo, we were talking about jiu-jitsu positions, like, do you see these positions people don't capitalize on, like, what level do you think,

01:22:11.000 like, MMA striking is at now?

01:22:14.000 It's not, it's obviously not the level of the highest level Muay Thai, but, like, what do you think about MMA striking?

01:22:20.000 Oh, I think it's amazing.

01:22:21.000 Some of the guys that, like Cerrone, I love Cerrone, he's so good.

01:22:27.000 It's just different because you guys can't stand and trade.

01:22:30.000 You can't go toe-to-toe and you can't just keep letting the bombs go, otherwise you get taken down.

01:22:34.000 But I respect these guys so much.

01:22:36.000 No, of course you do.

01:22:38.000 Have you wanted to compete in MMA? I did, and then I broke my finger.

01:22:43.000 And that's why I came up with my new promotion with the cage Muay Thai now.

01:22:47.000 You broke your finger grappling?

01:22:48.000 Yeah, I did my very first class and I broke my finger.

01:22:51.000 120 Muay Thai fights, not a problem.

01:22:53.000 I do one Jiu Jitsu class and broke my finger.

01:22:56.000 So it's like, how can I fight in the cage but not do Jiu Jitsu because I don't want to break any more fingers.

01:23:02.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:23:03.000 That's when I thought, well, stuff it, I'll do a cage Muay Thai instead.

01:23:07.000 And you've never wanted to go back to MMA? Well now I've got that desire to fight in the cage through what I'm doing now.

01:23:14.000 And then I can be good at it too because I'm not too bad at Muay Thai.

01:23:17.000 What's the difference between fighting in the cage and fighting in your ring if you're just going to keep it on your feet?

01:23:22.000 I've also incorporated the MMA gloves as well.

01:23:24.000 Look at this!

01:23:25.000 So yeah, it's everything MMA but no ground.

01:23:29.000 Wow!

01:23:29.000 So as soon as you go to the ground you stop and stand back up and then you start banging again.

01:23:32.000 Can you take a guy down?

01:23:34.000 In the clinch.

01:23:34.000 Can you throw them?

01:23:35.000 You can throw guys?

01:23:36.000 You can in the Muay Thai clinch, but you can't sort of suplex.

01:23:40.000 Okay.

01:23:41.000 And there's eight counts as well, so we allowed eight counts.

01:23:43.000 So if you get knocked down, there's still a chance you can still come back and still win.

01:23:46.000 Yeah.

01:23:47.000 So, yeah, but it's very violent.

01:23:49.000 I looked it up on YouTube.

01:23:50.000 The guys are fighting in the cage with boxing gloves on.

01:23:52.000 It looked very peculiar, so I thought, you know what?

01:23:54.000 After being such a big fan of UFC for so long, I couldn't put big gloves on.

01:23:59.000 I have to do it properly.

01:24:00.000 What would you think about guys fighting bare knuckle in MMA? Do you think that makes any sense at all?

01:24:05.000 Yeah, two dangerous hands.

01:24:06.000 My hands are stuck.

01:24:07.000 You break your hands?

01:24:07.000 Yeah, my hands are screwed.

01:24:09.000 Right, but for realism, you know, because a lot of the reasons why people were able to just unload with a bunch of punches is because they have gloves on, right?

01:24:17.000 True, true.

01:24:19.000 Yeah, the damage would be sustained and to try and get insured would be quite difficult.

01:24:23.000 Because the hands would be, you'd have a hand doctor on staff.

01:24:26.000 Yeah, and just in case of somebody dying too, you wouldn't want to see someone dying in your promotion, especially if you've got the promoter.

01:24:32.000 How do you put your head on the pillow at night time knowing that someone's died on your show?

01:24:36.000 Would you think it would make people die more often with no gloves?

01:24:39.000 I would think that gloves actually would cause more damage.

01:24:42.000 The ground and pound with no gloves on could be quite severe.

01:24:45.000 Hmm.

01:24:46.000 I wonder, man.

01:24:47.000 Because I feel like you can shin kick someone in the head with no pads on.

01:24:50.000 Knees someone in the head with no pads on.

01:24:52.000 Elbows with no pads.

01:24:53.000 Yeah, you mentioned it.

01:24:54.000 True.

01:24:55.000 I just don't think that it would...

01:24:57.000 I retract my last statement.

01:25:00.000 That makes a lot of sense, right?

01:25:02.000 You could shin kick someone, no glove on your shin, right to the face, and that's okay.

01:25:06.000 But you can't do it with your fists.

01:25:08.000 I've seen you kick dudes.

01:25:09.000 I've seen you kick dudes.

01:25:10.000 You kick...

01:25:11.000 I mean, it's just ridiculous.

01:25:13.000 The idea that anybody can punch as hard as you can kick is ridiculous.

01:25:16.000 There's not a man alive that punches as hard as you kick.

01:25:19.000 They don't exist.

01:25:20.000 And you're clang.

01:25:21.000 You're bouncing chins off dude's heads.

01:25:23.000 Blang!

01:25:24.000 I mean, come on.

01:25:28.000 This is weird.

01:25:29.000 The problem would be just getting it sanctioned, right?

01:25:32.000 Because UFC's just now getting out of...

01:25:34.000 Oh!

01:25:36.000 See that fucking bolo to the body?

01:25:39.000 It was a Ray Leonard...

01:25:40.000 Yeah, it was a bolo punch.

01:25:42.000 He brought it back.

01:25:44.000 No, you're right, Brennan.

01:25:46.000 I mean, it's really...

01:25:47.000 You know that guy who was fucking helping keep it illegal in New York just got arrested for corruption.

01:25:52.000 You know that, right?

01:25:54.000 I heard you talk about it on your podcast.

01:25:55.000 I don't even mention his name.

01:25:57.000 It's like Satan.

01:25:57.000 Don't mention his name.

01:25:58.000 All those old politicians.

01:26:00.000 Those old, grubby, fucking disgusting little fucking carpet-bagging cunts.

01:26:06.000 Gray bushes.

01:26:07.000 Oh, those disgusting old men.

01:26:09.000 Disgusting old men existing on envelopes.

01:26:13.000 Fucking timeshares.

01:26:15.000 He's out.

01:26:16.000 UFC's cutting in.

01:26:18.000 Huge, huge, huge, huge for the UFC that this guy's done.

01:26:21.000 Imagine John Jones, Madison Square Garden.

01:26:23.000 God damn, dude.

01:26:24.000 That's not outside the realm of possibility.

01:26:26.000 At all.

01:26:27.000 I mean, we're going back there in April.

01:26:28.000 We gotta go to New Jersey.

01:26:29.000 It's great for New Jersey.

01:26:31.000 New Jersey makes a shitload of money.

01:26:33.000 It's just right there.

01:26:34.000 You know, across the river.

01:26:36.000 When I fought New Jersey, we did all the press, everything in New York.

01:26:39.000 We just fought New Jersey.

01:26:40.000 Yeah, of course.

01:26:41.000 I mean, why would you not?

01:26:42.000 You're right next to one of the greatest media empires or one of the greatest media locations in the world for the East Coast.

01:26:53.000 I think Khabibov lost that fight.

01:26:55.000 Who the fuck knows?

01:26:56.000 You barely pay attention.

01:26:57.000 Oh, I was watching.

01:26:58.000 No, he's lost the fight for sure.

01:27:00.000 You're correct.

01:27:01.000 I was watching.

01:27:02.000 He did get mounted, that's for sure.

01:27:03.000 He's been taken down.

01:27:05.000 Which is surprising.

01:27:06.000 I was amazed that Martins was mounting them.

01:27:08.000 I was surprised he was taking them down.

01:27:11.000 That satan was beautiful though.

01:27:13.000 John, Wayne, do you have to constantly keep your shins numb?

01:27:21.000 Once you kill the nerves, they just never come back?

01:27:24.000 I've been, there's an old wife's totally where you're supposed to hit your shins with the sticks.

01:27:29.000 Do it every day, keep going.

01:27:30.000 He uses a Coke bottle from Mexico.

01:27:33.000 I've found just kicking the heavy bag and lots of fights and slowly your shin goes flat and hard and condensed and yeah, no dramas anymore.

01:27:42.000 Can I touch your shin, or is that weird?

01:27:43.000 Sure.

01:27:45.000 There you go.

01:27:48.000 That's a big shin, dude.

01:27:49.000 Well, you know what they say is that you get these little micro-fractures, like tiny little micro-fractures all over the outside, and those micro-fractures, you get a little blood in it, and that blood calcifies, and then the whole thing almost becomes like a shin pad.

01:28:02.000 You ever see that video of lion fights where Malapet Was fighting this guy and just started going shin to shin with him.

01:28:08.000 Just smash.

01:28:10.000 The guy, he shin checked a kick.

01:28:12.000 The guy did.

01:28:13.000 Malapet threw a kick.

01:28:14.000 The guy shin checked it.

01:28:15.000 And the guy started limping.

01:28:16.000 And so Malapet smiles at him and goes charging him.

01:28:19.000 Just goes shin to shin with him over and over again.

01:28:21.000 Smash.

01:28:22.000 Smashing his shin.

01:28:23.000 Like he didn't feel it at all.

01:28:24.000 It's like he's wearing this giant armor plated shin.

01:28:28.000 And he's got those giant fucking calves anyway.

01:28:31.000 Those Thai calves and giant shin bones.

01:28:33.000 Those Callan calves.

01:28:34.000 I got some big calves, guys.

01:28:39.000 Samoan calves.

01:28:40.000 Put that away.

01:28:41.000 When guys are starting out, their shins are very pointy.

01:28:45.000 I got pointy shins.

01:28:47.000 And then the more you train, they go more flat.

01:28:52.000 Where's your school?

01:28:54.000 Honestly, does he have potential?

01:28:56.000 Look at his shin.

01:28:57.000 Look at his shin.

01:28:57.000 What do you think?

01:28:58.000 Be honest.

01:28:58.000 Make an honest assessment.

01:28:59.000 Check his hamstrings.

01:29:01.000 Yes.

01:29:01.000 Here's that takedown.

01:29:03.000 Hey, Brian, tell John about your taekwondo days, though.

01:29:06.000 Okay, good.

01:29:06.000 Well, John, see what I would do.

01:29:08.000 John, I use wheel kick.

01:29:10.000 Well, he had these forms that would scare his opponents.

01:29:13.000 He would practice them before the competition.

01:29:15.000 I would push my balls into my body.

01:29:17.000 It wouldn't matter.

01:29:19.000 I was all dick.

01:29:20.000 Remember there was guys that would say they could do that?

01:29:22.000 They would take ball kicks?

01:29:24.000 Yes, come on.

01:29:25.000 But there's still videos out there of guys taking ball kicks, and there's scientific attempts to analyze how they're able to take ball kicks.

01:29:32.000 Well, they did the one on Fight Science.

01:29:34.000 Really?

01:29:35.000 Guys used to come to the strip clubs.

01:29:38.000 I think Maurice Green or someone just gave him a full kick.

01:29:40.000 I don't know how it was, but it's ugly.

01:29:43.000 Apparently, it's the exact same thing where your balls become like stones.

01:29:51.000 What kind of kids do you make with balls that have been kicked in practice repeatedly?

01:29:57.000 I heard a rumor.

01:29:58.000 It's the equivalent of a woman giving birth is when a man gets kicked in the balls.

01:30:03.000 Now, don't kill me, but that's what I heard.

01:30:05.000 For that quick instant.

01:30:07.000 It's a different kind of pain because when you get hit in the balls, you get like a sick feel.

01:30:10.000 It's sick.

01:30:11.000 It's not just pain.

01:30:12.000 It's pain.

01:30:13.000 It's both at first, though.

01:30:14.000 You got kicked in the stomach.

01:30:16.000 You got kicked in the liver.

01:30:18.000 It's that...

01:30:19.000 More than pain.

01:30:20.000 That sounds awful.

01:30:21.000 Emotional.

01:30:21.000 Have you seen a woman give birth?

01:30:22.000 Because I've been up close and personal.

01:30:23.000 Their pussy tears apart like a moose that got caught in a meat grinding machine.

01:30:29.000 It's not a joke.

01:30:33.000 Babies' heads are giant, vaginas are small.

01:30:36.000 It doesn't work out well.

01:30:39.000 A guy told me this.

01:30:40.000 A guy of a friend of a guy of a cousin.

01:30:43.000 There's Oscar the Grouch with tips.

01:30:45.000 That's still the greatest line anybody ever said.

01:30:49.000 She's boxy, dude.

01:30:51.000 She's boxy.

01:30:53.000 That's what he's saying.

01:30:54.000 He called her Oscar.

01:30:55.000 She said between his girl and this, his girl makes her look like Oscar the Grouch with tits.

01:31:00.000 I couldn't stop laughing.

01:31:01.000 I yelled it out at myself as I was driving home.

01:31:05.000 Oscar the Grouch with tits!

01:31:07.000 Ah!

01:31:08.000 Like two days later, I'm text messaging him.

01:31:11.000 Oscar the Grouch with tits!

01:31:13.000 That's such a...

01:31:14.000 Something Joey Diaz would say.

01:31:16.000 Exactly.

01:31:17.000 How would he say it?

01:31:18.000 Fucking Oscar the Grouch with tits.

01:31:21.000 Yeah.

01:31:22.000 Is Liam Neeson old enough to be kicking people's asses?

01:31:25.000 65 now?

01:31:26.000 I like that though.

01:31:28.000 I like that.

01:31:29.000 Keep showing old dudes doing great shit.

01:31:32.000 Because we're all going to be old.

01:31:33.000 It's going to benefit us.

01:31:34.000 I think he's actually 60 or 61. Anytime you see that, it's going to benefit you.

01:31:36.000 You're young and beautiful right now.

01:31:37.000 Like the most interesting man alive.

01:31:39.000 Oh my god.

01:31:40.000 You're in the prime of your goddamn life.

01:31:41.000 I know.

01:31:42.000 Tear shit up.

01:31:48.000 How old are you, John?

01:31:50.000 38. Looks young.

01:31:52.000 How much longer do you think you're going to keep competing, man?

01:31:55.000 I've got a couple more this year, and then we'll play it by year.

01:31:59.000 With the small glove cage?

01:32:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:01.000 Small glove cage.

01:32:02.000 Wow.

01:32:02.000 What are you doing with that?

01:32:02.000 That's amazing, man.

01:32:03.000 What are you doing with that shirt company?

01:32:05.000 What is that shirt you wear?

01:32:06.000 That's a friend Des Moines.

01:32:08.000 He's plugging it into Australia.

01:32:10.000 Oh, it's like Pride?

01:32:11.000 Yeah.

01:32:11.000 Can you get in the clinch as long as you want a knee?

01:32:14.000 Can you do that?

01:32:15.000 Yeah.

01:32:15.000 Do the refs break it up ever when they clinch?

01:32:17.000 When it starts getting stale.

01:32:20.000 Long as it's active.

01:32:21.000 But they'll let you work in the clinch.

01:32:22.000 Yes.

01:32:23.000 That's a beautiful thing.

01:32:24.000 I think K1, you can't work in the clinch.

01:32:26.000 And Lion Fight.

01:32:26.000 They stop, right?

01:32:27.000 And Glory.

01:32:29.000 They give them like five seconds.

01:32:30.000 Why are they doing that?

01:32:31.000 Doesn't it seem like...

01:32:32.000 Yeah, it's sort of watered down Muay Thai.

01:32:34.000 They're trying to make it entertaining for you.

01:32:36.000 For the fans.

01:32:37.000 Because getting in clinch fighting is boring?

01:32:40.000 I guess.

01:32:41.000 The K1's changed the rules.

01:32:43.000 Since Borkow came to K1, he started dominating people, so they're thinking, oh, how can we make it even for the Westerners versus the Ties?

01:32:49.000 I know, we'll make it like a three-second rule or a one-knee rule.

01:32:52.000 Well, TIE incorporates a lot of grappling.

01:32:55.000 You know, it obviously doesn't have any submissions, and it doesn't have any, you know, any, like, takedowns the way a wrestler has, but that grappling position with holding that plum clinch and the way those guys develop that squeeze, the ability to move a guy around, much like,

01:33:11.000 you know, like a guy who's, like, a really good neck squeezer has that just certain something...

01:33:15.000 Guys get that with that tie clinch, man.

01:33:18.000 Remember when Anderson Silva locked up with Rich Franklin?

01:33:20.000 And Rich Franklin had never seen that before.

01:33:22.000 Didn't know what to do about it.

01:33:23.000 And Anderson was just so strong in that position.

01:33:27.000 And he's compared to, you know, like the great ties, like a bull cow.

01:33:32.000 Like, come on, man.

01:33:33.000 He's not even close.

01:33:35.000 Anderson is not even close.

01:33:38.000 Not even close.

01:33:39.000 Wow.

01:33:39.000 You want to deal with the greatest Thai fighters and their technique and the way they move and the way they can hold.

01:33:45.000 Not even close, man.

01:33:46.000 You don't think so?

01:33:48.000 No.

01:33:48.000 Without being disrespectful.

01:33:50.000 The clinch that he had him in, that was very amateur.

01:33:52.000 That was a very basic clinch.

01:33:54.000 There was no counter.

01:33:55.000 All he did was hold his hands down and just pray not to die.

01:33:58.000 You laughed at it.

01:33:59.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:34:01.000 Yeah, there's so many.

01:34:02.000 I mean, it's hard for people who've never seen really great Muay Thai fights.

01:34:09.000 John, how many fights have you been in total?

01:34:12.000 120. Damn!

01:34:14.000 And then I had 13 pro boxing fights also.

01:34:16.000 Jesus.

01:34:16.000 Oh, wow.

01:34:17.000 Oh, shit.

01:34:19.000 But I know how to throw it.

01:34:20.000 A few combos, eh?

01:34:21.000 Well, I'm going to show you.

01:34:22.000 When we do the workshop, it's going to be fun.

01:34:25.000 What's the latest with Jeff Fennec?

01:34:27.000 Jeff Fennig.

01:34:27.000 Oh, he's just doing his thing in Sydney.

01:34:29.000 He's just doing promotions now.

01:34:31.000 He promotes fights now?

01:34:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:33.000 Oh, nice.

01:34:33.000 He's been promoting for years.

01:34:35.000 Oh, so he transitioned beautifully out of boxing into promoting.

01:34:39.000 Yeah, he's not promoting as much.

01:34:41.000 About three or four years ago, his shows were on Fox pretty much every week.

01:34:45.000 Really?

01:34:45.000 He was very busy, yeah.

01:34:46.000 Wow.

01:34:47.000 What about Troy Waters?

01:34:48.000 I used to be really into boxing.

01:34:53.000 I was a fanatic until the UFC ruined it.

01:34:56.000 Are you looking forward to, like as somebody who's been fighting his whole life like that, are you looking forward to retirement?

01:35:02.000 No.

01:35:03.000 You're not?

01:35:03.000 No, I'm dreading the day.

01:35:04.000 It's gonna be a hard transition?

01:35:06.000 Yeah, I tried to retire a few years ago and the thought of it just drove me nuts and I had to come back again because it was just killing me, not being in front of the crowds.

01:35:15.000 Those after parties, wow, you're just like, fuck, the after party, that's what it's really about, right?

01:35:20.000 The juice, the juice.

01:35:21.000 Laying in bed and not having that anticipation of having a fight coming up was just, yeah, I missed it so much that I came back again.

01:35:27.000 That's why guys who only have that feeling should fight.

01:35:31.000 That's it.

01:35:32.000 All these guys are like, I'd like to try one Muay Thai fight.

01:35:36.000 Shut the fuck up.

01:35:37.000 We're gonna run into some goddamn John Wayne Parr on the up who sleeps and eats fighting.

01:35:42.000 I like being afraid.

01:35:44.000 I like fighting the guys that I'm scared of.

01:35:46.000 Have you always been that way since you can remember?

01:35:48.000 Yeah, since I was a walker, I've always wanted to be a fighter.

01:35:52.000 It didn't matter if it was ninjutsu or karate, I just wanted to fight anything.

01:35:58.000 And then it just happened that kickboxing was near my house, so that's how I started kickboxing.

01:36:02.000 In Australia, obviously.

01:36:04.000 Where in Australia?

01:36:05.000 In Brisbane back then, but now I'm on the Gold Coast.

01:36:08.000 But I moved to Thailand when I was 19. I lived in Thailand for five years.

01:36:10.000 Wow.

01:36:11.000 So I lived in Bangkok and had about 50 flights in Thailand and fought in all the big stadiums.

01:36:15.000 Do you speak Thai?

01:36:16.000 I do now.

01:36:17.000 Wow.

01:36:17.000 Did you get one of those Rosetta Stones?

01:36:21.000 No, because I lived in Thailand.

01:36:23.000 Imagine living in California with no other people that could speak English.

01:36:27.000 That was my lifestyle.

01:36:29.000 So you just learned it from talking to them?

01:36:31.000 Yeah.

01:36:31.000 I slept on the floor with ten other people, and then no one could speak English, so you'd have to do everything by hand signals first, by how to eat or sleep.

01:36:39.000 Oh, wow.

01:36:39.000 How different is Dutch kickboxing from Muay Thai that you learned?

01:36:44.000 More hands and more leg kicks, whereas the thighs are more body kicks and more knees and elbows.

01:36:49.000 Why do you think that is?

01:36:50.000 Different scoring system.

01:36:52.000 The thighs don't...

01:36:53.000 They score punching.

01:36:54.000 They don't score leg kicks.

01:36:55.000 It's harder to throw a body kick than is a leg kick.

01:36:58.000 Anyone can throw a leg kick.

01:37:00.000 And the clinching as well.

01:37:02.000 The clinching has a big high score as well.

01:37:04.000 Isn't that interesting that we don't think about that at all as a scoring position?

01:37:07.000 We think of the clinch as almost being a stalemate position.

01:37:11.000 So how do you score?

01:37:12.000 Whoever can hold the plumb clinch the longest?

01:37:15.000 Whoever throws the last knee.

01:37:16.000 So if you've got two guys throwing 50 knees, knee for knee, knee for knee, the one who scores the last knee scores that rally.

01:37:23.000 Whoa!

01:37:24.000 Yeah, so you can be there for two minutes.

01:37:26.000 Knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee.

01:37:27.000 We're just trying to break each other.

01:37:28.000 And then the referee goes, stop, and he's won that set.

01:37:31.000 Wow.

01:37:32.000 But what if a guy knocks the guy out with punches and says punches don't score?

01:37:34.000 If it's a knockout, then you win.

01:37:36.000 But if he just boxes them up and the guy's still standing after three rounds?

01:37:39.000 So ten punches and one body kick, the body kick will win.

01:37:42.000 What?

01:37:43.000 Every time.

01:37:44.000 That's crazy.

01:37:46.000 Unless you're Raymond Decker.

01:37:48.000 Wow, so they really must be into body kicks.

01:37:54.000 To them, that's the most important kick.

01:37:57.000 The body kick.

01:37:58.000 You go to Thailand, it's a completely different contrast to what you see here in America or in Australia.

01:38:04.000 But it's so beautiful to watch too.

01:38:06.000 Well, what do you think about a guy like Simon Marcus, a really famous, really high-level Muay Thai fighter, and then he fights for glory.

01:38:13.000 They take away that clinch.

01:38:15.000 What percentage of his game do you think gets eliminated when they take that away?

01:38:19.000 You have to get back into the gym and readjust as well.

01:38:21.000 Because the same as me, when I went to K1, I was sort of doing okay, but I was losing as well because I'd fight the Thai star, and then I'd lose the guys who were punching, and it'd be like 30-27, and this guy hasn't hit me all around, I've kicked the shit out of him.

01:38:34.000 Right.

01:38:34.000 And then I've lost...

01:38:35.000 What about Nathan Corbett?

01:38:37.000 He also fought in glory.

01:38:39.000 He fought Tyrone Spong.

01:38:40.000 And again, they take away your clinch.

01:38:42.000 They take away a lot of his weapons.

01:38:44.000 Yeah, his main thing is elbows.

01:38:45.000 He's the elbow killer.

01:38:47.000 He's had like 50 fights, probably 60 fights, 50 or 45 knockouts, and then 30 of them are by elbow.

01:38:55.000 And then they take his elbows away.

01:38:56.000 That's so crazy.

01:38:57.000 What's the name of this guy?

01:38:58.000 Nathan Corbett.

01:38:59.000 You never heard of Nathan Corbett?

01:39:00.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

01:39:01.000 But he looked a little, like, a little, I mean, not out of his element, because obviously he's fought that style before, but, you know, when you watch him with the elbows and the clinch and everything, he's very comfortable.

01:39:12.000 But it feels odd seeing that aspect removed, because it's still stand-up, it's still striking.

01:39:18.000 Like, why would he remove, it's like saying no uppercuts.

01:39:21.000 Sorry, no body punches.

01:39:23.000 You're only punching the face.

01:39:24.000 Is he a white guy?

01:39:24.000 If there was no body punching, everybody would just come out like this.

01:39:27.000 Everybody would have super high hands.

01:39:29.000 Nobody would ever worry about their body.

01:39:31.000 You'd have a totally different thing.

01:39:32.000 And then you would let in body punching, and some guy's going to come over and rip a left hook to your liver like, what?

01:39:37.000 Oh, he wasn't ready for it.

01:39:38.000 He didn't know.

01:39:38.000 Because you don't allow them to do it.

01:39:40.000 And that's what you're seeing with Glory.

01:39:42.000 You're not allowing these guys to do one of the best aspects of striking.

01:39:46.000 And then with Muay Thai in general too, like it's so hard to find a full Muay Thai show these days, like full Thai, like five rounds.

01:39:52.000 A lot of the guys are going on three threes now for their promotions.

01:39:55.000 And then I think their main concern is if I do an elbow fight, I bring someone from Thailand or Australia to America and the fight lasts 30 seconds and the guy gets cut.

01:40:03.000 I've just wasted 10 grand on a plane ticket.

01:40:06.000 That's one of the big concerns.

01:40:08.000 Yeah, man, I get it, but still.

01:40:11.000 I think if you're representing martial arts on television, they can do whatever they want.

01:40:16.000 The Japanese had their ideas.

01:40:18.000 We don't have to keep the same ideas as the Japanese with glory.

01:40:23.000 That's why I like Lion Fight.

01:40:24.000 I really like what they're doing, man.

01:40:25.000 I like their full Muay Thai.

01:40:27.000 I'm a purist as well.

01:40:29.000 So they can clinch?

01:40:30.000 Clinch, they hold on to each other, throw each other, they dump each other, they hold kicks, catch a kick and kick your leg out from under you.

01:40:38.000 Jon, what do you think about the multiple fights in a single night?

01:40:42.000 I've done a couple of them before.

01:40:45.000 I won a big one in Thailand, in Bangkok.

01:40:48.000 When I was younger, I used to love them, but now I'm a bit older.

01:40:51.000 The body doesn't repair as fast in between the breaks.

01:40:54.000 Because when I was watching Glory, that's the main thing I was thinking about.

01:40:58.000 Those guys who would have a battle that first fight and have to come back out.

01:41:02.000 How about Joe Schilling?

01:41:03.000 Joe Schilling fought four rounds of Simon Marcus.

01:41:06.000 They go to the third round.

01:41:07.000 It's a draw.

01:41:08.000 They have to fight a fourth round.

01:41:09.000 He's got two fights after that.

01:41:11.000 Knocks Marcus out in the fourth fucking round.

01:41:13.000 Then he's got to fight Wayne Barrett.

01:41:15.000 Then he's got to fight Artem Levin in the final.

01:41:18.000 How crazy is that?

01:41:18.000 Fuck.

01:41:19.000 It's too much.

01:41:19.000 Yeah, it's hard.

01:41:20.000 It's so hard.

01:41:21.000 Cesar Ferreira and Sam Alvey.

01:41:23.000 This is a good fight.

01:41:24.000 Really good fight.

01:41:25.000 What do you know about Alvey?

01:41:27.000 Alvey was a contestant.

01:41:29.000 He was on Team Carwin on Ultimate Fighter.

01:41:31.000 I gotta be honest, I'm surprised the kid's here now because when he was on Ultimate Fighter, I was a guest coach.

01:41:37.000 He would quit a lot.

01:41:38.000 He'd quit all the time.

01:41:39.000 And I was like, oh, this kid doesn't have it.

01:41:41.000 He would quit while he was training?

01:41:42.000 Yeah, he got injured, and then he came back for a little bit, and he was their first pick.

01:41:47.000 He was their very first pick, and it did not work out on the show.

01:41:50.000 So I was like, oh, the kid doesn't have it.

01:41:52.000 So he went to MFC in Canada, did great there, and then got back in the UFC. He won his last fight against Tom Watson.

01:41:58.000 And now Cesar, the guy he's fighting, I trained with for a while at the...

01:42:04.000 With Vitor's camp.

01:42:05.000 He's like little Vitor.

01:42:06.000 So this guy's a freak athletically.

01:42:08.000 He trained under Anderson Silva for two years.

01:42:11.000 He trained with Lyoto Machida.

01:42:13.000 And now he's Vitor's like protege.

01:42:15.000 And he's such a good athlete, man.

01:42:17.000 Yeah, I watched him fight Sergio, what is his name for the title, the Ultimate Fighter Brazil?

01:42:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:25.000 Sergio Payne?

01:42:25.000 No, it wasn't.

01:42:26.000 He looks thinner.

01:42:27.000 He looks a lot thinner than he did in the Ultimate Fighter, this guy.

01:42:29.000 Cesar.

01:42:30.000 Yeah, we went down.

01:42:31.000 He did?

01:42:32.000 Yeah.

01:42:32.000 Oh, there it is.

01:42:33.000 He's fighting 185. I think he was 205 then.

01:42:36.000 He's gotten smaller.

01:42:37.000 I think.

01:42:38.000 Does that make sense?

01:42:39.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like.

01:42:40.000 Where's the hearts?

01:42:40.000 Hi.

01:42:42.000 There they go.

01:42:43.000 We gotta come up with something for them.

01:42:45.000 He's all tits.

01:42:47.000 They gotta start throwing tens up.

01:42:49.000 There we go.

01:42:50.000 His fighting style is crazy, man.

01:42:51.000 I don't think the ginger has a chance here.

01:42:54.000 He's big.

01:42:55.000 The ginger is tough, though, man.

01:42:56.000 Really tough.

01:42:57.000 In his last couple fights, he beat Tom Watson.

01:42:59.000 You know Tom.

01:43:00.000 He did beat Tom Watson.

01:43:02.000 Different athlete, though.

01:43:03.000 Caesar's a different animal, man.

01:43:05.000 Sergio Morai.

01:43:06.000 That's who it was.

01:43:07.000 It was driving me fucking nuts.

01:43:08.000 I'm trying to remember his name.

01:43:09.000 Caesar's one of the best athletes in the UFC that I've seen.

01:43:12.000 Sergio Morai choked out Krohn.

01:43:14.000 He was like the first guy to beat Krohn when he got his black belt.

01:43:19.000 That's his background.

01:43:20.000 Damn.

01:43:22.000 Dude, that was nice.

01:43:23.000 He threw that shit like a jab.

01:43:25.000 It was fast.

01:43:26.000 You haven't seen mine, but yeah.

01:43:27.000 Look at that.

01:43:28.000 Front kick.

01:43:29.000 He gets more comfortable, man.

01:43:30.000 Give us a volume.

01:43:30.000 He's going to be a fucking nightmare.

01:43:32.000 Oh, another one.

01:43:33.000 Hit him with the front.

01:43:34.000 Look at it.

01:43:34.000 He's jabbing his body.

01:43:36.000 Speaking of body shots.

01:43:38.000 Hey, Sam, go ahead and fly 17 hours to Brazil and fight Cesar Mutante.

01:43:42.000 Enjoy this, my man.

01:43:43.000 I like that.

01:43:45.000 I like that.

01:43:46.000 Cesar's on that tough contract.

01:43:48.000 Speaking of tough contract, I made a mistake last time I was on your show, John, the fight companion.

01:43:53.000 I said I got paid 10 and 10 or 8 and 8. It was actually 14 and 14. My bad.

01:43:58.000 I just learned that.

01:44:00.000 They just said, hey, please let people know that you actually made 14 to fight Noguera, and I made 14 and 14 to fight Mariko Krokop.

01:44:09.000 My bad.

01:44:09.000 My bad, Joe Silva, Dana White.

01:44:11.000 I gotcha.

01:44:12.000 That's all it is?

01:44:12.000 There was no bonuses or anything else involved?

01:44:15.000 I did get a bonus.

01:44:16.000 I was just talking about contractually.

01:44:18.000 I got a bonus for knockout of the night when I fought Mirko Crocott.

01:44:22.000 Rich as shit.

01:44:23.000 For that night.

01:44:24.000 For that night.

01:44:25.000 I bought a car and some chains.

01:44:27.000 What is your football background exactly?

01:44:30.000 I never really got into that.

01:44:32.000 Did you play pro football?

01:44:33.000 Just for, I had like a cup of coffee with the Buffalo Bills and went back home.

01:44:36.000 Practice squad?

01:44:37.000 Yeah.

01:44:38.000 Yeah, I played Division I football for University of Colorado and then went to training camp with Buffalo Bills.

01:44:42.000 What position?

01:44:43.000 I was a tight end.

01:44:44.000 Yeah.

01:44:44.000 Really?

01:44:45.000 You got good hands?

01:44:46.000 Yeah.

01:44:47.000 You've got to say, your hand's got to be amazing if you're a white guy.

01:44:51.000 Yeah, not bad.

01:44:52.000 You can't be a white tight end and drop balls.

01:44:54.000 I agree 100%.

01:44:54.000 He's pretty fast.

01:44:55.000 You're right.

01:44:56.000 They're not going to let white guys drop any balls.

01:44:58.000 No.

01:44:59.000 You could be a black guy and you could drop a ball because you're going to make it up later.

01:45:02.000 Is Brendan really white?

01:45:05.000 I gotta be honest, that was the first time I realized in sports that it's a business when I got to Buffalo.

01:45:09.000 I was like, oh shit, it broke my heart.

01:45:11.000 I'm like, oh, it's really not a team concept, and they don't give a shit about me.

01:45:15.000 It broke my heart, man.

01:45:16.000 Really?

01:45:16.000 Oh, dude, he's throwing that wheel kick a lot.

01:45:20.000 Threw it again.

01:45:21.000 Alvy is yet to get something significant off, huh?

01:45:24.000 He's trying to figure him out, man.

01:45:26.000 Good luck.

01:45:29.000 How was your college career?

01:45:31.000 Good.

01:45:32.000 You played for Colorado?

01:45:33.000 Yeah.

01:45:33.000 The Gold Helmets?

01:45:34.000 Yeah, the Gold Helmets.

01:45:35.000 You started?

01:45:37.000 No.

01:45:38.000 I worked in.

01:45:39.000 I had two.

01:45:40.000 A first round and a second round draft pick ahead of me.

01:45:43.000 Oh shit.

01:45:44.000 When you got to the Bills, what was it that made it seem like a business where it broke your heart?

01:45:51.000 When I got there, I was in a draft pick as a free agent, so you're basically like a body that they're bringing in.

01:45:58.000 They wouldn't even talk to me and look me in the eye.

01:46:01.000 They're just like, 43 over there, man.

01:46:03.000 Get the fuck over there.

01:46:05.000 Yeah, just a body.

01:46:06.000 They don't give a shit about you.

01:46:06.000 They just don't have time for it.

01:46:08.000 They don't have time to be a friend, though.

01:46:09.000 You've got to understand that, right?

01:46:10.000 Well, that's when I first realized, because you go from college where it's about a team and hard work, and we have this goal until you get to the NFL. It's like, oh, we don't have anything invested in you.

01:46:10.000 It's a business.

01:46:18.000 You're here.

01:46:19.000 Oh!

01:46:21.000 Dead!

01:46:22.000 Oh, shit!

01:46:24.000 Knocked dead!

01:46:25.000 Oh, boy.

01:46:27.000 Huge win for Albee.

01:46:28.000 Goddamn.

01:46:29.000 Holy shit.

01:46:29.000 Out of nowhere, he hit him with that left hook.

01:46:32.000 Dude, he was biding his fucking time.

01:46:32.000 Good for him.

01:46:37.000 Biding his time.

01:46:39.000 Landed that left hook, and you can see Cesar's lights get shut off.

01:46:42.000 If he's single, his lights are going to be amazing.

01:46:44.000 I think he has a girl.

01:46:46.000 He did when he's on the show.

01:46:47.000 You know what the problem is?

01:46:48.000 Is with Cesar, what alarmed me is he goes, well, my training camp, every night's a fight night in Brazil.

01:46:53.000 We spar so hard on Tuesday and Thursday night, every night's a fight camp.

01:46:56.000 When I heard that, I'm like, well, that's an issue.

01:46:59.000 Your chin's not going to hold up for too much.

01:47:01.000 It's already gone.

01:47:02.000 Damn, son.

01:47:02.000 His two knockouts, C.J. Dalloway.

01:47:06.000 Dalloway, now this, huh?

01:47:07.000 C.B. Dalloway knocks him out, and then Alvy with this left hook.

01:47:11.000 Watch this.

01:47:11.000 Oh, that was sick.

01:47:15.000 Watch this.

01:47:15.000 Boom!

01:47:16.000 Boom!

01:47:17.000 Wow.

01:47:18.000 That was nice.

01:47:20.000 Double.

01:47:20.000 He even hesitated.

01:47:21.000 He thought Mario was going to stop it.

01:47:24.000 Right hand.

01:47:24.000 Look at that.

01:47:25.000 Boom!

01:47:26.000 Oh, that left shoulder was nice.

01:47:28.000 Sort of a shovel hook.

01:47:30.000 He got shut off for a second right there.

01:47:32.000 See that?

01:47:33.000 Dang!

01:47:34.000 That's a huge win for Sam in Brazil.

01:47:37.000 He does the Red Ram.

01:47:37.000 That's the Red Ram.

01:47:40.000 Does anyone know the smiley face haircut on the back?

01:47:43.000 He has a smiley face, yeah.

01:47:45.000 I thought I was wearing him.

01:47:46.000 Look at him.

01:47:47.000 Damn, that is dark.

01:47:48.000 Look at those eyes.

01:47:49.000 It's going to be a dark night for Caesar.

01:47:51.000 Callan, what did you think of that combo?

01:47:53.000 I'm wondering if that's his sister or his wife.

01:47:56.000 They look good together.

01:47:57.000 Don't be rude.

01:47:58.000 They look good together.

01:48:00.000 I'm pretty sure that's his wife.

01:48:02.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:48:04.000 I'm sure there's someone to tell me.

01:48:05.000 He looks very happy.

01:48:07.000 Hell yeah, he's happy.

01:48:08.000 Things are about to get weird.

01:48:10.000 Unless that's his wife.

01:48:11.000 Then it's going to get too weird.

01:48:12.000 Maybe his wife's a freak.

01:48:14.000 You never know.

01:48:16.000 You never know.

01:48:18.000 Let's hope she is.

01:48:18.000 Makes the story fun.

01:48:21.000 That was a good fucking combination, man.

01:48:23.000 Nasty.

01:48:24.000 That Cesar Ferreira guy, what you said is giant.

01:48:27.000 What you said is giant about those guys.

01:48:29.000 I was reading interviews and he goes, I'm not too nervous because every Tuesday and Thursday my camp is a fight night in Brazil.

01:48:36.000 We spar so hard and I went, oh no, Cesar!

01:48:39.000 You have so much talent!

01:48:41.000 Don't do that, man.

01:48:42.000 Machete!

01:48:44.000 It's pronounced machete.

01:48:46.000 Machete.

01:48:47.000 When you hear that stuff, it's not good, Joe.

01:48:50.000 It's like the old school Brazilian top team and stuff like that with Wanderlust.

01:48:54.000 Just beating the shit out of each other in practice and taking...

01:48:57.000 Yeah, the shoot box guys.

01:48:58.000 Yeah, shoot box, Brazilian top team, they should go hardest.

01:49:02.000 Knocking each other out.

01:49:03.000 Ugh.

01:49:05.000 Yeah, it's weird that they didn't know.

01:49:07.000 John, before a match, how hard do you spar?

01:49:10.000 Boxing, about 90%.

01:49:13.000 And then Muay Thai, we just play.

01:49:13.000 90%?

01:49:15.000 Yeah.

01:49:15.000 You're just feeling each other out.

01:49:17.000 You're really not taking hits to the head?

01:49:19.000 How come Muay Thai, you just play?

01:49:19.000 No, no.

01:49:21.000 What do you mean?

01:49:22.000 In Thailand, we don't even wear shin pads.

01:49:23.000 It's so controlled.

01:49:24.000 And then, you know, if you've got hit, you can place your shin across.

01:49:27.000 You can go out fast, and then lastly, you can pull it.

01:49:29.000 You know, it's like being a martial artist.

01:49:30.000 It's harder to pull a shot than just to let go.

01:49:32.000 Right.

01:49:33.000 So it's actually a good workout to do that.

01:49:34.000 Yeah, it's so much fun.

01:49:35.000 And then you're smiling, and then end of it, no one's hurt, no bruises.

01:49:38.000 You're not limping, and then you're still friends.

01:49:40.000 Damn.

01:49:42.000 I feel like, though, when you up the pace in a real fight, isn't it hard to kind of make that adjustment?

01:49:49.000 Because you're going so hard on the pads.

01:49:51.000 And when I box spar, I'm getting my workout because I'm trying to really hurt my mate who I spar with regularly.

01:49:58.000 But there's no hard feelings when we box.

01:50:00.000 But I don't know, it's just the tie style.

01:50:02.000 It's just the way they do it.

01:50:03.000 You don't want so much on the pads and on the bag and on the clinching that you're just working technique by the time you get to the sparring part.

01:50:10.000 That's interesting, man.

01:50:11.000 I think that's a smart strategy for someone who fights a lot, too, because the ties would fight pretty much every week, right?

01:50:17.000 And I've had longevity.

01:50:18.000 Because you don't need to get tougher.

01:50:18.000 I have no injuries.

01:50:20.000 You know how to spar and take hits.

01:50:21.000 You know you're tough enough when you get to that level.

01:50:23.000 So it's just about repetition, getting comfortable.

01:50:26.000 Yeah, that's the erroneous assumption, right?

01:50:28.000 That fighting, training hard is going to make you tougher.

01:50:30.000 No.

01:50:31.000 If you're at that level, you're already pretty tough.

01:50:33.000 We don't need to challenge this.

01:50:34.000 The Dutch, for instance, when they spar, they go pretty crazy.

01:50:38.000 But they think of it, well, if I get hit in sparring like this when I fight, there's going to be no shock.

01:50:42.000 But the Dutch go hard to the legs and the body, and they kind of lay off the head a little bit in some camps.

01:50:47.000 Yes.

01:50:48.000 And then, like, Mike's gym, they're known for knocking each other out.

01:50:51.000 What was that gym called?

01:50:51.000 Mike's gym.

01:50:52.000 Golden Glory, right?

01:50:53.000 Golden Glory, they knock each other out.

01:50:54.000 Yeah, bad.

01:50:55.000 Well, there's, you know, you're dealing with, you got 18 murderers in a room together.

01:51:00.000 All dudes.

01:51:01.000 They're all padded up.

01:51:01.000 But it just takes a little bit of education, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:51:04.000 It's not going to work on some of those dudes.

01:51:06.000 I just got here from Morocco.

01:51:08.000 If your leader is, if your leader is like, we don't play that game, son.

01:51:12.000 And then I'm running a family gym too, so I want kids to come in.

01:51:15.000 If the parents are watching, I want them to feel comfortable that they can walk away without the kids getting knocked out.

01:51:20.000 So when you have young kids spar, when they first learn how to spar, how do you emphasize the playful aspect of it?

01:51:27.000 They see us doing it and they just want to copy.

01:51:29.000 And I tell them too, okay, before we start, everyone's going 10-15%, no harder than 20%, otherwise you can sit out and not play.

01:51:35.000 And then I'll just keep an eye on them as well.

01:51:39.000 10-15%, no harder than 20%.

01:51:41.000 That's beautiful.

01:51:41.000 And then when they want to go hard, you hit the bag, you hit the pads, you work your technique, you understand your timing and your confidence.

01:51:47.000 Yes.

01:51:48.000 You still got your timing with the sparring too.

01:51:50.000 You're still throwing fast.

01:51:52.000 If you're going to go slow, you're not going to land your shot.

01:51:54.000 And then just as you're laying on the ribs or the thigh or even across their neck.

01:51:57.000 Just pull it back.

01:51:58.000 Just land it there and leave it there for a second.

01:52:00.000 Make sure everyone sees first and then take it down.

01:52:03.000 That's a smart way to do it, but do you think they could do that with MMA? Because you're dealing with takedowns, and you have to be really quick with your sprawl, you have to be quick with the transitions between grappling and striking.

01:52:14.000 Do you think it's possible to do that too, where you're still just pulling back on everything?

01:52:18.000 I got to work with George St. Pierre for two weeks, and that's a weird play.

01:52:21.000 We wouldn't go any harder than 30% maybe, but the whole time we were nice and controlled.

01:52:28.000 What if there was a kickboxing remote control robot that had punches, that had like balloons, like when they land it was a balloon and you could really hit this robot as hard as you can.

01:52:45.000 So you're throwing hard punches and it's throwing legit, you know, not as legit as me right here of course.

01:52:52.000 It's gonna happen probably.

01:52:53.000 Right?

01:52:55.000 The trainer is the guy who controls it.

01:52:58.000 You'd have to be really good at video games to be a great trainer.

01:53:02.000 Yeah, like you could take someone who could never kick your ass, but they could pilot a robot that can kick your ass.

01:53:07.000 And you'd go in there and have to duke that with this robot.

01:53:09.000 And then there would be guys with the best robots and the best controllers.

01:53:14.000 They're gonna invent fuck robots way before they even fight robots.

01:53:17.000 Sparring robots!

01:53:19.000 Sparring robots.

01:53:20.000 How cool would that be?

01:53:20.000 Think about it.

01:53:21.000 Isn't this a movie already?

01:53:22.000 Yeah, it is.

01:53:23.000 Is there a sparring robot?

01:53:25.000 Really?

01:53:26.000 There's sparring robots?

01:53:27.000 Well, they were giant robots.

01:53:28.000 I did not see that bullshit.

01:53:29.000 They didn't fight people.

01:53:29.000 They fought each other.

01:53:30.000 That's different.

01:53:31.000 I'm talking about sparring robots.

01:53:33.000 Let's keep it real.

01:53:34.000 For mixed martial arts, for boxing, for kickboxing, for the striking arts in general.

01:53:42.000 What's going on with his facial hair?

01:53:45.000 Is that his brother awesomeness?

01:53:47.000 Is that really his twin brother?

01:53:48.000 Might be.

01:53:49.000 Faking it as Edson?

01:53:50.000 He looks so different.

01:53:51.000 I've never seen a dude look so different with a beard.

01:53:53.000 He looks good.

01:53:54.000 He doesn't even have hair.

01:53:55.000 First wheel kick KO ever in MMA history.

01:53:58.000 Well, at least in UFC. Is Michael Johnson, he started as a wrestler, or was he a kicker first?

01:54:05.000 Yeah, background.

01:54:05.000 Wrestler first.

01:54:06.000 It was crazy about that knockout.

01:54:08.000 I kind of called it, and I said that the only way he's going to have to take some risks, but if he takes some risks, he runs the risk of getting knocked out!

01:54:17.000 Like, as I said, out, he was out cold.

01:54:20.000 Like, literally, as I was saying, knocked out!

01:54:22.000 He's dead stiff, flying through the air on his back.

01:54:25.000 It's crazy timing.

01:54:27.000 It's ridiculous timing to say that.

01:54:29.000 Total dumb luck, but what a wheel kick.

01:54:32.000 Who the fuck saw that coming?

01:54:33.000 Probably the best knockout in UFC history.

01:54:35.000 Right up there.

01:54:36.000 Crow Cop, Gonzaga, Pettis, Joe Lozon.

01:54:41.000 That was a fucking sensational head kick.

01:54:44.000 But something about Edson and Terry Edom.

01:54:47.000 When Terry Edom is just...

01:54:48.000 I was like, oh shit, Edson killed a guy.

01:54:50.000 Dead stiff.

01:54:51.000 I thought he killed him.

01:54:53.000 There's a bunch of...

01:54:54.000 Cro-Cop, Gonzaga is so crazy because no one thought Gonzaga would win that way.

01:54:58.000 How's Gonzaga going to head kick Cro-Cop?

01:55:01.000 You think about all the Cro-Cop highlight reel head kicks?

01:55:04.000 How the fuck is Gonzaga going to do that?

01:55:05.000 Cro-Cop's back, son.

01:55:07.000 Cro-Cop's back.

01:55:08.000 He's fighting Gonzaga, right?

01:55:10.000 He's fighting Gonzaga.

01:55:10.000 Yep.

01:55:11.000 In Poland.

01:55:13.000 He's back.

01:55:14.000 You know why, too, right?

01:55:16.000 Because they were talking to him with Bella to...

01:55:16.000 Why?

01:55:19.000 Bellator was talking to him, and the UFC said, not so fast, son.

01:55:23.000 Do you believe in that?

01:55:23.000 Not so fast.

01:55:24.000 We have a relationship.

01:55:26.000 Was Krokov you talking about?

01:55:27.000 Krokov's back.

01:55:28.000 Do you see Fedor?

01:55:30.000 Fedor's signing with Bellator.

01:55:32.000 Well, I mean physically signing autographs for Bellator.

01:55:34.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:55:35.000 No, my guy scared the shit out of you.

01:55:37.000 Look, I'm loyal to the UFC, but I would not be angry if they signed Fedor and Brock.

01:55:44.000 If they signed Fedor vs.

01:55:46.000 Brock and it was on Bellator?

01:55:48.000 That'd be fucking insane.

01:55:49.000 I heard Brock talking about concussions, though.

01:55:51.000 Yeah, he's talking about concussions, supposedly.

01:55:53.000 But that's according to the pro wrestling guys.

01:55:55.000 Who knows what angle they're playing?

01:55:58.000 Those guys are always...

01:55:59.000 There's so much showmanship and craziness in the world of pro wrestling.

01:56:03.000 I'm starting to understand that better, being friends with Tony Hinchcliffe, because he fucking loves pro wrestling and he never stops talking about it.

01:56:10.000 I can understand.

01:56:11.000 They play things out in advance, like way in advance for long periods of time.

01:56:15.000 They have these timelines, these storylines they follow.

01:56:15.000 That's weird.

01:56:18.000 It's like soap operas.

01:56:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:56:20.000 But with the big muscular men.

01:56:21.000 Yeah, Brock's worried about concussions.

01:56:23.000 They might have some crazy match that they're setting up where Brock is scared to get hit in the head.

01:56:28.000 And they start talking, he's scared to get hit in the head.

01:56:30.000 And Brock runs away, like holding his head.

01:56:34.000 Anything could happen with those guys.

01:56:36.000 It's all scripted.

01:56:37.000 It's so weird to me.

01:56:38.000 It's so weird to me.

01:56:39.000 How grown men get into it.

01:56:41.000 They get into it, dude.

01:56:42.000 I dated a girl who was super into it, and it was hard to take her serious.

01:56:45.000 It's all theatrics.

01:56:47.000 You dated a girl who was super into pro wrestling?

01:56:51.000 It's all theatrics.

01:56:52.000 Do you throw wheel kicks?

01:56:54.000 I play jumping, spinning back kicks.

01:56:57.000 That's sort of like a weird kick, right?

01:56:59.000 Not quite.

01:57:00.000 But only if I'm winning.

01:57:01.000 What's up, buddy?

01:57:02.000 It's an inside joke.

01:57:03.000 It's all right.

01:57:04.000 It's crazy inside.

01:57:05.000 Yeah, if I'm winning and there's a...

01:57:07.000 It's so inside.

01:57:08.000 And I'm not going to lose sort of thing.

01:57:10.000 Then I'll throw it just for show for the fans.

01:57:12.000 But if not, I wouldn't throw it.

01:57:13.000 I make sure I'm winning first.

01:57:14.000 Okay, okay.

01:57:15.000 So that's something if you're beating the guy's ass, you might throw.

01:57:18.000 Sort of like a slam dunk.

01:57:19.000 You only do it if you know that you can pull it off.

01:57:20.000 Do you think that it's easier to pull off stuff like wheel kicks when you're adding in all the other shit, like takedowns and all the other things?

01:57:27.000 So it makes, it's like there's so many variables, then maybe you can get it off, whereas if you're fighting in Muay Thai and you got all the leg kicks and all the things you could do much quicker and faster to land, that it's less high percentage that way?

01:57:39.000 The main trainer says try and stay away from him.

01:57:42.000 The Thais would never do it.

01:57:44.000 Yeah, they never throw wheel kicks.

01:57:48.000 Manson Gibson used to throw them, right?

01:57:50.000 Yeah, back in the day.

01:57:51.000 That motherfucker had a vicious wheel kick.

01:57:53.000 But maybe they didn't throw them because just because they didn't throw them doesn't mean they can't be really effective, right?

01:57:59.000 I came from a Taekwondo background and then we used to do them all the time back when I was like 11, 12. And then when I got the kickboxing, they said, okay, don't throw any of those spinning kicks anymore.

01:58:08.000 It's too dangerous.

01:58:09.000 You've got to stay front on the whole time and keep it basic and round kick front.

01:58:13.000 Were people getting knocked out when they started spinning?

01:58:15.000 Is that what happened?

01:58:16.000 No.

01:58:16.000 Did you see The Last Glory?

01:58:18.000 Did you see Glory?

01:58:19.000 Yeah, but...

01:58:20.000 Nicky Holtzkin fought Raymond Daniels.

01:58:22.000 Raymond Daniels is a famous point fighter.

01:58:24.000 He's got wild, crazy kicks.

01:58:26.000 He's got one of the nuttiest knockouts in all of kickboxing.

01:58:29.000 He throws a jumping sidekick.

01:58:31.000 You've seen me do it on a bag before.

01:58:32.000 He just throws a jumping sidekick, touches the bag with one leg, then spins in midair and spinning back kicks the dude in the face.

01:58:40.000 It was crazy.

01:58:41.000 You've seen it, Brent.

01:58:41.000 That's crazy.

01:58:42.000 It was ridiculous.

01:58:44.000 Raymond Daniels is a bad motherfucker.

01:58:46.000 Nicky Holtzkin swarmed him, got right in front of him, power punches to the body, leg kick, leg kick, leg kick, power punches to the body, and just took him out.

01:58:46.000 Meanwhile...

01:58:57.000 Kept it basic.

01:58:58.000 Kept it basic.

01:58:59.000 Kept it in his face too.

01:59:00.000 And pressure.

01:59:01.000 No room to spin.

01:59:02.000 The one time that Raymond Daniels landed, he dropped him.

01:59:05.000 He dropped Holtzkin with a spinning back kick.

01:59:07.000 That's right.

01:59:07.000 But Holtzkin got back up.

01:59:08.000 And smiled.

01:59:09.000 Yeah, it hurt.

01:59:10.000 He's also ranked number one, right?

01:59:11.000 Holtzkin's number one.

01:59:12.000 Yeah, number one.

01:59:13.000 He's an animal.

01:59:15.000 He's an animal.

01:59:16.000 He's not the champ, though.

01:59:17.000 Valtellini was another animal.

01:59:18.000 Well, him and Valtellini fought.

01:59:20.000 It was a really good fight up until the last round, and he knocked Valtellini out.

01:59:23.000 Valtellini was trying to come back, and he was really being aggressive in the final round, and that's when Holtzkin caught him.

01:59:32.000 He's an ex-Decker student too, Nicky.

01:59:35.000 From the Golden Glory.

01:59:35.000 Yeah.

01:59:36.000 Yeah.

01:59:36.000 Is there any Thai guys dedicated...

01:59:38.000 Sorry.

01:59:39.000 I'm sorry.

01:59:40.000 I don't want to talk over you.

01:59:41.000 Didn't he dedicate it, his last fight?

01:59:44.000 He dedicated it to Ramon, I think.

01:59:45.000 I don't know.

01:59:46.000 Raymond died a few years ago.

01:59:47.000 Yeah.

01:59:47.000 Maybe before then.

01:59:49.000 Everyone dedicated their fight.

01:59:51.000 Oh, no.

01:59:51.000 It was the cup.

01:59:52.000 They gave him some sort of award.

01:59:54.000 There was some sort of Ramon Decker's thing.

01:59:57.000 I don't know.

01:59:59.000 What were you going to say?

02:00:04.000 Forget it.

02:00:06.000 You made me forget.

02:00:07.000 Sorry brother.

02:00:08.000 Jon, in all your years, especially in Australia, has anyone ever picked a fight with you when you're out?

02:00:13.000 No.

02:00:14.000 Never, right?

02:00:15.000 They just know.

02:00:16.000 There's some people that attract it, I think, because I'm so sort of just, hey, going and smiling.

02:00:22.000 I don't attract bad trouble, I guess.

02:00:25.000 Where other guys, they go out and they can't help it.

02:00:27.000 They act tough.

02:00:28.000 Every Saturday, they're punching someone out.

02:00:31.000 But for myself, I'd rather have a joke and buy you a beer than trying to get...

02:00:34.000 Because you're not getting paid.

02:00:35.000 You're not getting famous.

02:00:36.000 You go to jail.

02:00:37.000 What the hell?

02:00:38.000 No upside.

02:00:39.000 Zero upside.

02:00:40.000 You're not getting famous.

02:00:41.000 You're going to jail.

02:00:42.000 Spoken like a true pro fighter.

02:00:44.000 Notice what he didn't say.

02:00:44.000 Who said that?

02:00:45.000 You're getting hurt.

02:00:46.000 Yeah.

02:00:47.000 You're not getting paid.

02:00:48.000 You're not getting famous.

02:00:50.000 You're just fucking guys up.

02:00:51.000 You're just going to jail.

02:00:53.000 Now, are there any Thai guys that are famous?

02:00:57.000 There's got to be some wild unorthodox Thai guys, a few of them that are throwing a lot of spinning crazy kicks that are not traditional.

02:01:04.000 There was a guy called Samlat Kamsing.

02:01:05.000 He won the first ever gold medal in the Olympics for boxing.

02:01:09.000 And before he went to boxing, he was a Muay Thai guy.

02:01:11.000 And he was a spinner.

02:01:12.000 He'd spin elbows, spin back kick.

02:01:14.000 Wasn't very successful.

02:01:14.000 He was successful with the back elbows, but the back kicks, the Thai's would see him coming.

02:01:19.000 Tip him in the bum and push him over.

02:01:21.000 Tip him in the bum?

02:01:22.000 Yeah, yeah, front kick in the bum.

02:01:23.000 Yeah, it just takes too long to spin, right?

02:01:23.000 Tip him, tip him.

02:01:26.000 That spin is just, you just see it coming.

02:01:28.000 You're like, wah, you gotta spin.

02:01:30.000 It depends on how fast they are.

02:01:31.000 Yeah, it wasn't like a proper Taekwondo spin.

02:01:33.000 It was a Thai spin, so it's a big difference.

02:01:36.000 A lot of Taekwondo spins were used as defense as people are coming into you.

02:01:40.000 I've seen your spin on YouTube, and yours is insane.

02:01:45.000 So, yeah, yours would be a lot different to the Thai's.

02:01:47.000 But if you saw Brian's, you would agree with the ties.

02:01:49.000 You would say, yeah, that shit ain't going to work.

02:01:51.000 Hey, man.

02:01:52.000 Hey, man.

02:01:53.000 My spinning wheel gig is on YouTube, you guys, and I was wearing a wig.

02:01:53.000 Don't do that shit.

02:01:56.000 I don't want to hear it.

02:01:57.000 The style that you're seeing a lot of guys do is that point style.

02:02:02.000 There's no power to it.

02:02:03.000 That's the problem.

02:02:04.000 With me, I'm so loose.

02:02:05.000 I'm so loose.

02:02:06.000 My nickname is Butter.

02:02:07.000 You don't see it in MMA. They call me butter.

02:02:09.000 Guys like him, they fall away.

02:02:11.000 He hits the bag and he falls away from it.

02:02:14.000 The mass of the bag forces his body away.

02:02:19.000 I pull my rubella.

02:02:20.000 That's the same in boxing though, right?

02:02:22.000 A lot of those Olympic guys who are gold medalists, they don't Translate to the pros because they have a kind of a point scoring system, and these pros are knocking dudes out.

02:02:31.000 It's all about hitting the bag.

02:02:33.000 When it comes to kicking, it's all about hitting the bag.

02:02:35.000 All those karate guys that you see throwing kicks in the air and they never hit anything, they never develop the ability to shift your weight.

02:02:42.000 You know when you're throwing a punch and you like...

02:02:45.000 At the end of that punch, you're hitting things all the time.

02:02:49.000 You're hitting mids.

02:02:50.000 You're hitting the bag.

02:02:52.000 These guys are throwing kicks.

02:02:53.000 They're not hitting anything.

02:02:54.000 That's the number one problem with a lot of these traditional martial artists.

02:02:58.000 They don't hit things.

02:03:00.000 Hey man, why are you pointing at me, bro?

02:03:01.000 I lived on a bag.

02:03:03.000 I had him kick my bag.

02:03:05.000 I lived on a bag.

02:03:06.000 I almost cried.

02:03:07.000 Tell him to get out?

02:03:08.000 I fell over.

02:03:09.000 I fainted.

02:03:10.000 I shut down.

02:03:11.000 He's not allowed in there anymore.

02:03:13.000 He didn't grow up kicking things.

02:03:13.000 He doesn't kick.

02:03:15.000 That's not true.

02:03:16.000 He grew up in a terrible Taekwondo school that had him throwing flippy things in the air.

02:03:20.000 He's a national champ.

02:03:21.000 He's a national champ.

02:03:23.000 It's not Rage's statement.

02:03:24.000 Tell him, Brian.

02:03:25.000 I never saw him compete while I was competing.

02:03:27.000 It's very strange.

02:03:28.000 I'll have to find my library video.

02:03:30.000 I'll show you all my trophies.

02:03:33.000 We'll actually chit chat.

02:03:35.000 I gave my trophies to charity.

02:03:38.000 Bullshit!

02:03:40.000 I had them melted down, and I gave them to the local orphanage.

02:03:44.000 We were probably in the same weight classes, which is so confusing.

02:03:48.000 I traveled all over the world.

02:03:50.000 You fought AAU, didn't you?

02:03:53.000 I fought all styles.

02:03:54.000 Really?

02:03:55.000 Because I was the American Taekwondo Championships.

02:03:57.000 I'm American, bro.

02:03:59.000 I did the WTF. Dude, I'm standing right here.

02:03:59.000 I did that.

02:04:05.000 I haven't stretched.

02:04:05.000 I never saw you out there.

02:04:07.000 I never saw you.

02:04:07.000 Never heard of you.

02:04:08.000 Never heard of you?

02:04:09.000 That's weird, bro.

02:04:11.000 Not that many guys.

02:04:12.000 You obviously need to read the Taekwondo Times at a national level.

02:04:15.000 Do you, Eddie?

02:04:16.000 You believe him?

02:04:17.000 I believe him.

02:04:17.000 Why would he lie?

02:04:18.000 Let's be very clear.

02:04:19.000 I actually wouldn't lie about...

02:04:23.000 I think you did Taekwondo.

02:04:24.000 I don't think you were a national champ.

02:04:25.000 Were you like a blue belt or something at the time when you won the nationals?

02:04:27.000 I don't think you was a national champ.

02:04:29.000 You won the nationals as a black belt?

02:04:30.000 Yes, I fought in Iowa, the American Taekwondo Championships.

02:04:36.000 I'm sure you can look this up.

02:04:37.000 Oh, we're watching this fight.

02:04:37.000 This is a great fight.

02:04:38.000 Fuck your Taekwondo.

02:04:40.000 I believe you, Brian.

02:04:41.000 Michael Jackson's coming on strong.

02:04:45.000 Michael Johnson's trying to test that chin.

02:04:47.000 He's trying to test that chin, dude.

02:04:49.000 Barboza's been tagged a few times in the first round, and Michael Johnson's putting the fucking scare on him.

02:04:54.000 Oh, that was a hard left hand.

02:04:56.000 Because if you sit back, Barboza goes to town, man.

02:05:00.000 You stay on him.

02:05:01.000 Johnson with the heavy, fast fucking hands.

02:05:04.000 Both fast.

02:05:05.000 This reminds me of the way I used to fight Taco Bell, but I created more distance.

02:05:08.000 Shut the fuck up.

02:05:09.000 You don't know.

02:05:11.000 What did you win with?

02:05:12.000 I don't understand.

02:05:14.000 You didn't hit him with those kicks you kicked back.

02:05:14.000 Oh!

02:05:16.000 Double spinning wheel kick.

02:05:20.000 The stuff I used was illegal.

02:05:22.000 Give me some volume, young Jamie.

02:05:23.000 You can't set this pace for three rounds, I'll tell you that right now.

02:05:26.000 You can't.

02:05:28.000 You got a good point, Brendan.

02:05:30.000 He can't go at it 100% for three rounds.

02:05:34.000 Is Johnson coming off a loss?

02:05:37.000 He's coming off a long layoff.

02:05:39.000 Yeah, he had an injury.

02:05:41.000 His knee, right?

02:05:42.000 I don't remember what it was, man.

02:05:44.000 Didn't he lose to Tony Ferguson?

02:05:46.000 I think he's lost.

02:05:46.000 Right, Eddie?

02:05:47.000 He beat Tony Ferguson.

02:05:48.000 Did he beat Tony?

02:05:49.000 Fuck, man.

02:05:49.000 He broke Tony's arm.

02:05:50.000 He checked a kick, broke his forearm.

02:05:53.000 Tony was out for over a year.

02:05:56.000 It didn't heal right, the steel plate.

02:05:58.000 He had a lot of problems with his forearm.

02:05:59.000 He had to put a steel plate in it?

02:06:00.000 Yeah, there was a lot of problems with Tony Ferguson.

02:06:01.000 Did he have the plate removed, or did he keep it in there?

02:06:03.000 I don't know what's going on with that, but he's back 100%, more ferocious than ever, man.

02:06:07.000 Barbosa was out.

02:06:08.000 Gleason Tabao, Tony Ferguson.

02:06:10.000 Yeah, that's a great fight.

02:06:11.000 Gleason against Tony Ferguson.

02:06:13.000 That's a great fight, man.

02:06:14.000 Fuck, yeah, it is.

02:06:15.000 It's going to be crazy.

02:06:16.000 Tony's training so goddamn hard.

02:06:18.000 Of course he is.

02:06:19.000 He's an animal.

02:06:20.000 I really love that Abel Trujillo fight.

02:06:21.000 That was a strong fight for him, man.

02:06:23.000 He really showed his composure.

02:06:25.000 Damn, Michael Johnson's got some fast fucking hands.

02:06:27.000 Yeah, he does.

02:06:28.000 He's really pressuring, man.

02:06:29.000 I think it's so smart.

02:06:30.000 But the pace, man, for three rounds.

02:06:32.000 He's the guy that, in my opinion, has come up the most striking-wise since he joined the Black Zillions.

02:06:37.000 If you watch him from the Ultimate Fighter to the Michael Johnson you see tag up Joe Lozon, he's just a different striker now.

02:06:44.000 I agree.

02:06:45.000 Him or Mitrione?

02:06:46.000 Head kick by Barboza!

02:06:46.000 Oh!

02:06:50.000 Yeah, I say Johnson or Mitrione with the Black Zillions.

02:06:52.000 Yeah, Mitrione has come a long way as well.

02:06:54.000 They have some...

02:06:55.000 Well, Rumble Johnson, shit.

02:06:58.000 Fuck, what are we thinking about?

02:06:59.000 What are we talking about?

02:06:59.000 Rumble Johnson's number one.

02:07:01.000 Real quick, how about that camp's killing it?

02:07:02.000 Can we just say that?

02:07:03.000 Well, yeah, right left by Johnson, man.

02:07:06.000 That right hook tagged him on the tempo.

02:07:07.000 Can you be white and be black zillions?

02:07:09.000 Yeah, rinse your own.

02:07:11.000 Oh.

02:07:12.000 Yeah, Mitrion's white as shit.

02:07:13.000 He's white as shit, but he's street, too.

02:07:15.000 He's like white as fuck.

02:07:16.000 Mitrion is street, though.

02:07:16.000 Mitrion's like redneck, but he's street.

02:07:18.000 No, he's street.

02:07:19.000 There's nothing about street.

02:07:20.000 He's more farm.

02:07:22.000 He's very street.

02:07:23.000 More country strong.

02:07:25.000 No, that's not the Mitrion I know.

02:07:26.000 Matt Mitrion is down.

02:07:28.000 Well, that's because he used to play Indiana.

02:07:30.000 Oh, nice leg kick.

02:07:31.000 Oh, nice clean left hook by Barboza.

02:07:34.000 Right eye of Barboza.

02:07:35.000 Oh, there it is.

02:07:36.000 There it is.

02:07:37.000 That's my back kick right there.

02:07:38.000 There's that Callen kick.

02:07:39.000 You're damn right.

02:07:40.000 He's cut.

02:07:41.000 He's cut?

02:07:41.000 Yeah, his eyes.

02:07:42.000 His eyes fucked up.

02:07:43.000 He used that when he was coming in.

02:07:45.000 That's what I say.

02:07:45.000 See that?

02:07:46.000 You're always right about this shit.

02:07:49.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:07:50.000 It's like you were a national champ.

02:07:52.000 Well, I was.

02:07:53.000 Even as a Muay Thai guy, you can't not respect guys who are on this hard.

02:07:56.000 This is awesome.

02:07:58.000 You can't not take your eyes off it.

02:07:59.000 This is insane.

02:08:01.000 When they let go...

02:08:02.000 Do you prefer watching Muay Thai or do you prefer watching MMA? Now, MMA is starting to...

02:08:08.000 Really?

02:08:09.000 Wow.

02:08:10.000 Wow.

02:08:12.000 Right hand by Johnson!

02:08:12.000 Oh!

02:08:13.000 His left eye is cut now.

02:08:15.000 He's cutting both eyes.

02:08:16.000 Yeah, that last right hook.

02:08:18.000 Tagged down.

02:08:19.000 Really no respect.

02:08:20.000 Johnson's just no respect.

02:08:22.000 Barboza's had problems in the first round.

02:08:22.000 Well, that's what...

02:08:24.000 I mean, you think about it, that's where...

02:08:27.000 Last call, Danny Castillo cracked him in the first round.

02:08:30.000 Had him really fucking hurt.

02:08:32.000 Donald Cerrone tagged him with that jab, dropped him in the first round.

02:08:36.000 Jamie Varner fucked him up with that right hand.

02:08:38.000 If you're going to catch him, catch him with punches.

02:08:40.000 He was all over Donald that first round.

02:08:43.000 All over him.

02:08:43.000 That jab dropped him.

02:08:45.000 Yeah, Donald dropped him and choked him.

02:08:47.000 Do you guys know if he's still with Mark Henry?

02:08:50.000 I believe he does some work with him.

02:08:52.000 I know he was in one of Frankie's last camps.

02:08:56.000 Yeah, because Mark Henry's a straight fucking magician.

02:08:58.000 He's a mastermind in the sport.

02:09:00.000 Doesn't get enough credit.

02:09:01.000 You're right.

02:09:01.000 Is this 55?

02:09:03.000 Holy shit.

02:09:03.000 Mm-hmm.

02:09:04.000 They're big 55ers, man.

02:09:06.000 What happens when these guys fight Anthony Pettis?

02:09:09.000 Like, what happens then?

02:09:11.000 Pettis isn't sitting there letting you hit him like this.

02:09:13.000 Pettis is on another level.

02:09:14.000 You think Pettis would knock both these guys out?

02:09:16.000 He's on another level.

02:09:17.000 It seems like he is.

02:09:17.000 Yeah.

02:09:19.000 He's no wind-up with power.

02:09:20.000 He's got that shit.

02:09:21.000 He's also his movement, his waist, liquor.

02:09:24.000 And he'll finish you in a second.

02:09:25.000 He's fluid as fuck.

02:09:26.000 Well, he's a perfect example of a guy who learned Taekwondo first and then went to a guy like Duke Rufus who just is a Muay Thai encyclopedia who's also been training MMA fighters for a long fucking time and knows how to put it all together.

02:09:38.000 Now he gets his hand on CM Punk.

02:09:40.000 Uh-oh.

02:09:41.000 What, man?

02:09:43.000 You didn't say nothing.

02:09:44.000 I didn't say nothing.

02:09:45.000 Have you heard some of the people talking?

02:09:47.000 Some of those fighters, man.

02:09:48.000 Callan, could you beat Sam Pong?

02:09:50.000 Who are they going to give them?

02:09:50.000 They still haven't decided who they're going to give them.

02:09:52.000 No, there's no timeline either.

02:09:54.000 They had to have figured it out.

02:09:55.000 I don't think he wants a timeline.

02:09:57.000 I think he wants to learn how to fight.

02:09:58.000 He wants to work.

02:09:58.000 It's really smart, man.

02:09:59.000 I think what he's doing is the right way to do it.

02:10:01.000 Oh, what is he doing officially?

02:10:02.000 I don't even know.

02:10:03.000 He's training with Duke until he's ready to compete.

02:10:05.000 Is that what he's saying?

02:10:06.000 He's saying, I'm not talking about shit.

02:10:07.000 That could be a couple years.

02:10:10.000 No.

02:10:11.000 He doesn't get a couple years.

02:10:13.000 No, UFC's not like, yeah, let's sign you and you're fighting three years.

02:10:16.000 What are they giving him, six months?

02:10:18.000 I don't know.

02:10:18.000 They don't have a timeline.

02:10:22.000 Literally, he said he wants to make a big deal out of it.

02:10:24.000 They did this little announcement and he said he wants to train until he's ready.

02:10:30.000 That's not three years.

02:10:31.000 I guarantee you the UFC is going to be like, three years?

02:10:33.000 Do what?

02:10:34.000 Nah, bitch.

02:10:34.000 Who knows?

02:10:34.000 Here's a fight.

02:10:35.000 Oh, shit.

02:10:36.000 Eric Silva.

02:10:37.000 Rashad Evans.

02:10:38.000 Who are they going to pair him up with?

02:10:39.000 Somebody obviously not a big name.

02:10:41.000 Oh, no.

02:10:41.000 That's in a month.

02:10:42.000 Eric Silva.

02:10:42.000 Joe.

02:10:43.000 Ben Saunders.

02:10:44.000 They're not going to pair CM Punk up with a real name.

02:10:46.000 I mean, a guy who's been fighting a long time.

02:10:47.000 No, no, no.

02:10:48.000 They're going to pair CM Punk up with a guy who should never be in the UFC. Right.

02:10:52.000 Not shouldn't be in the UFC. I mean shouldn't be in the UFC yet.

02:10:55.000 A guy with like 1 and 0. You think?

02:10:58.000 Yeah.

02:10:58.000 I bet they give him like an old washed up guy who's been in the UFC so we recognize the name.

02:11:02.000 If you had to bet everything you own right now and it was going to be CM Punk versus Fallen Fox, who would you bet on?

02:11:08.000 You have to bet everything you own right now.

02:11:10.000 Everything.

02:11:10.000 CM Punk.

02:11:11.000 Over Fallen Fox?

02:11:13.000 Destroy class, yeah.

02:11:13.000 You?

02:11:13.000 Yes.

02:11:15.000 Okay, okay.

02:11:16.000 Hey, I would have picked CM Punk too.

02:11:19.000 Jesus Christ.

02:11:21.000 Damn, Michael Johnson's still going hard in the second round, man.

02:11:23.000 It's impressive, man.

02:11:24.000 Man, he looks good.

02:11:26.000 Yeah, he doesn't have a strategic approach to this fight at all.

02:11:28.000 He's just trying to test Barboza.

02:11:28.000 No.

02:11:31.000 I think it's smart, man, trying to break his will.

02:11:33.000 Yeah, fuck yeah, man.

02:11:33.000 I like it.

02:11:34.000 And he's already kept the leg kicks away because Barboza has been real careful about those counters.

02:11:39.000 Yeah, he's hesitant, for sure.

02:11:40.000 He hasn't been landing nearly as many leg kicks as he has in some of these fights.

02:11:43.000 Really smart, man.

02:11:44.000 And a southpaw, too.

02:11:45.000 Yep, southpaw, too.

02:11:48.000 Do you like when you see southpaws in MMA and it opens up that inside leg kick?

02:11:52.000 Yes.

02:11:54.000 You've got to stay really basic when you're fighting a southpaw.

02:11:56.000 Yeah?

02:11:56.000 Insides, right kicks, and right hands, right hand, left hooks.

02:11:58.000 You can't do the flashy stuff against a southpaw.

02:12:01.000 It doesn't work.

02:12:02.000 Really?

02:12:03.000 I don't believe so.

02:12:04.000 Now, when you have the orthodox fight in the southpaw, it opens up the back leg.

02:12:08.000 Because it's the soft side?

02:12:08.000 Power kick though, right?

02:12:10.000 Set it to the back?

02:12:10.000 Yeah.

02:12:11.000 But you can't rely on your switch.

02:12:13.000 You can't use your front teep as much anymore.

02:12:15.000 It's taken away a lot of weapons.

02:12:17.000 Ooh, good body kick by Barboza.

02:12:18.000 Ooh, damn, he hurt him with that left hand.

02:12:21.000 Why can't you use the front teep as much?

02:12:24.000 Oh!

02:12:26.000 He's sitting down on those punches.

02:12:28.000 How is he taking those shots?

02:12:30.000 Damn, that was a quick switch.

02:12:33.000 If Johnson slows down, Barboza will start letting loose.

02:12:35.000 Yeah, and letting loose with those kicks.

02:12:37.000 Is he good late in the fight, Barboza?

02:12:39.000 Oh, he's got cardio.

02:12:40.000 He's better have cardio than training with Frankie Edgar.

02:12:43.000 And for the record, CM Punk would kick my motherfucking ass.

02:12:47.000 And fallin' Not if it went to the ground.

02:12:49.000 Don't get twisted.

02:12:50.000 I don't know.

02:12:51.000 There's punches involved.

02:12:52.000 Anything can happen.

02:12:53.000 On the record, CM Punk would fuck me up, and he's got way bigger balls than me for stepping in the cage.

02:12:58.000 I was just doing jokes.

02:13:01.000 It's a pretty big guy.

02:13:02.000 Your false humility is hurting my feelings.

02:13:04.000 That's true.

02:13:05.000 No, no, no.

02:13:07.000 That's not being humble.

02:13:08.000 If I fought CM Punk, he'd fuck me up.

02:13:10.000 That guy's done pro wrestling.

02:13:13.000 Oh, you got me, you fuck.

02:13:14.000 You did get me.

02:13:15.000 Dude, I'm not even fucking with you.

02:13:17.000 That was me.

02:13:18.000 No, I'm serious.

02:13:19.000 That was a little jokey.

02:13:20.000 Let's watch this fight.

02:13:20.000 Oh!

02:13:22.000 Michael Johnson got tagged.

02:13:24.000 He got tagged, dude.

02:13:25.000 Barbosa just cleaned.

02:13:26.000 Oh, there's Mark Henry.

02:13:27.000 He's in his corner.

02:13:28.000 That was a clean right hand.

02:13:30.000 Yeah, you're going to be in trouble.

02:13:32.000 You're going to get tagged, right?

02:13:33.000 You're going to open yourself up being this aggressive.

02:13:35.000 It's just a matter of time.

02:13:36.000 He definitely got tagged right there.

02:13:37.000 It's also a matter of Barbosa being able to weather the storm.

02:13:41.000 Oh!

02:13:41.000 I agree.

02:13:42.000 Johnson tagged him.

02:13:43.000 Ooh, a little wobbled.

02:13:44.000 His legs are a little shaky.

02:13:46.000 Ooh, he's trying to take him down.

02:13:48.000 Look for the fucking tank down.

02:13:49.000 Just that power throwing him against the cage.

02:13:53.000 Some big heaving breaths here, folks.

02:13:56.000 I think he was rocked there.

02:13:58.000 Yeah, no doubt.

02:13:59.000 Oh my god, he's on his back.

02:14:00.000 He's not good.

02:14:02.000 He's not good for Edson.

02:14:03.000 Isn't he a black belt in jiu-jitsu?

02:14:05.000 I don't know, man.

02:14:07.000 I don't remember right now.

02:14:10.000 I don't think so.

02:14:11.000 Eddie, there are black belts and there are black belts.

02:14:13.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

02:14:17.000 If you're an aggressive guy landing, your cardio lasts longer than an aggressive guy of losing, not landing as much.

02:14:23.000 If you keep landing, all of a sudden you go, I got him, I got him, I got him.

02:14:26.000 You just keep pumping the rounds out all the time, but as soon as you start losing...

02:14:29.000 The confidence gives you gas!

02:14:30.000 As soon as you start missing, it's like, oh shit, I'm tired.

02:14:34.000 But while you're landing, every time you rock him too.

02:14:36.000 It's a purple belt.

02:14:38.000 Really?

02:14:39.000 Yeah.

02:14:39.000 Power belt in jiu-jitsu.

02:14:41.000 He works with Ricardo Almeida down there in New Jersey.

02:14:47.000 He's looking for that kick, man.

02:14:49.000 He's going to set up that head kick, son of a bitch.

02:14:55.000 Oh!

02:14:56.000 Dang, Johnson's just coming, man.

02:14:59.000 Johnson's winning this fight.

02:15:00.000 Hey, John, how come you never saw Superman punches?

02:15:04.000 Oh!

02:15:05.000 Damn, that was a nice right hand, too.

02:15:08.000 How come you never saw Superman punches in Muay Thai?

02:15:11.000 Very, very rarely.

02:15:12.000 But you see it so much in MMA. What is that?

02:15:14.000 I think the little gloves.

02:15:14.000 The little gloves make the hell of a difference.

02:15:16.000 Yeah.

02:15:17.000 Even George, when George throws him, it seems the rock guy's head's back, but you do that in 10-ounce gloves and nothing happens.

02:15:22.000 It's like, boom, all right.

02:15:23.000 Right.

02:15:24.000 That was funny.

02:15:25.000 But you're doing MMA gloves, all of a sudden it's just rock your world.

02:15:28.000 And George does it if he's jabbed, too, which is not a hard punch.

02:15:31.000 You're saying it's just kind of flashy.

02:15:33.000 Oh, damn!

02:15:34.000 It's not going to be a difference maker.

02:15:35.000 Michael Johnson, don't call him Anthony Johnson.

02:15:36.000 I mean, sorry, Michael Johnson.

02:15:37.000 You don't even know who you're watching.

02:15:38.000 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

02:15:39.000 Michael, Michael.

02:15:39.000 So ugly.

02:15:42.000 MJ, MJ. You get two leg kicks from John now in the back.

02:15:47.000 Black eye number two.

02:15:48.000 Damn.

02:15:49.000 I just lean into leg kicks, just so you guys know.

02:15:53.000 When I trained.

02:15:54.000 When I trained just leg fighting in the Philippines.

02:15:57.000 That's it.

02:15:57.000 Leg fighting?

02:15:58.000 The Philippines?

02:15:58.000 Huh?

02:15:59.000 Yeah.

02:16:00.000 I was third place.

02:16:02.000 Were you national champs for that too?

02:16:04.000 I took third place.

02:16:05.000 I had the virus.

02:16:06.000 I had a virus.

02:16:07.000 You had the worm.

02:16:08.000 I had the runs.

02:16:09.000 You're not buying this national champ stuff with Kellen.

02:16:11.000 It's hard to believe when I watch them hit things.

02:16:13.000 Let's not get carried away with national champs.

02:16:15.000 That's what you told me!

02:16:16.000 There was something called the Nationals in Iowa in 1987. I can't remember exactly where.

02:16:22.000 I'll find out.

02:16:22.000 I can actually find out.

02:16:24.000 Watch this.

02:16:24.000 Hold on.

02:16:25.000 I'll get you all the details.

02:16:25.000 I'm gonna find out.

02:16:27.000 I asked the Twitter universe to send me pictures of Cal and Nguyen and nothing.

02:16:31.000 It just doesn't make any sense that everyone that I knew from back then doesn't know of you either.

02:16:37.000 Well, because they're all stupid.

02:16:41.000 I don't know what was going on.

02:16:43.000 I don't understand.

02:16:45.000 Hey, hey, hey, Callan, it was the 80s, it was the late 80s.

02:16:48.000 We didn't have fucking the internet.

02:16:49.000 No one stored shit.

02:16:50.000 What was the tournament?

02:16:51.000 I believe it.

02:16:52.000 It's just like, what did you guys kick?

02:16:54.000 Did you just, did you kick paddles, or did you...

02:16:56.000 Banana trees, banana trees.

02:16:58.000 No, bags.

02:16:59.000 Who did you fight in the fight?

02:17:00.000 Sure.

02:17:00.000 Do you have a name?

02:17:02.000 Because I remember everyone I fought ever.

02:17:04.000 I fought Rich Spillane?

02:17:05.000 I don't remember everyone I fought.

02:17:06.000 Believe it or not, my friend.

02:17:07.000 I know the last guy I fought and he knocked me out.

02:17:11.000 And I know the guy I fought before him because I knocked him out.

02:17:14.000 But in Taekwondo, it's like a shitload of guys, right?

02:17:16.000 Like you're competing all the time?

02:17:18.000 Like Jiu-Jitsu, I don't remember.

02:17:19.000 I don't remember Jiu-Jitsu fights.

02:17:21.000 I remember Jack McVicker.

02:17:22.000 That's it.

02:17:23.000 This fucking fight is crazy.

02:17:26.000 Jesus Christ.

02:17:27.000 Even in the third round, these guys are throwing, man.

02:17:30.000 Oh, there he is.

02:17:31.000 See, and he slipped.

02:17:31.000 He went for it.

02:17:32.000 See, I told him he shouldn't do that.

02:17:35.000 Damn!

02:17:36.000 He is throwing some fast kicks.

02:17:38.000 I think they told Barbosa he's down to.

02:17:42.000 That was a four-header.

02:17:44.000 So we'll see what he says, okay?

02:17:45.000 Let's wait.

02:17:47.000 Would you say that Michael Johnson can throw more kicks?

02:17:54.000 Because he doesn't throw that many.

02:17:55.000 Oh, that was a nice one to the body.

02:17:57.000 I asked you a question.

02:17:57.000 I'm sorry, John.

02:17:58.000 I think we cut you off.

02:17:59.000 What about the front leg teep?

02:18:01.000 What about the southpaw stance takes away the teep?

02:18:03.000 If you're standing orthodox and you've got your left leg forward and then you're both orthodox, the left leg's going to go through the center.

02:18:10.000 As soon as you go to southpaw, all of a sudden, this leg's going to check it.

02:18:13.000 You can protect your stomach a lot easier.

02:18:16.000 So now everything's going to be off the right leg instead of the front leg.

02:18:19.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

02:18:19.000 You know what I mean?

02:18:20.000 So if I'm here, it'd land flashy, but as soon as I stand here, now all of a sudden, I've got this leg now.

02:18:24.000 Right, right.

02:18:25.000 I see what you're saying.

02:18:26.000 What weight do you fight at, typically?

02:18:28.000 Middleweight.

02:18:29.000 72 and a half.

02:18:30.000 And what do you walk around at?

02:18:32.000 85, 86. Oh, jeez.

02:18:34.000 Yeah.

02:18:35.000 And in Muay Thai, you cut weight just like MMA the day before?

02:18:40.000 I start 10 weeks out and slowly go down, slowly go down, and then lose probably the last five or six feet.

02:18:45.000 This is a war.

02:18:45.000 Jesus Christ.

02:18:46.000 Johnson's on him.

02:18:47.000 This is a war.

02:18:48.000 I mean, these guys are not fighting.

02:18:49.000 They're trying to kill each other.

02:18:51.000 Johnson set a very aggressive pace from the beginning of his fight.

02:18:54.000 It's insane, and he's still keeping it up.

02:18:56.000 Yeah, it's almost like he's trying to prove a point or make a big statement.

02:19:00.000 That was a big kick to the body right there.

02:19:02.000 Who's winning so far?

02:19:03.000 How are those kicks to the body scored?

02:19:07.000 The same as punching?

02:19:10.000 You really think Johnson's up in that second round?

02:19:12.000 I wasn't paying enough attention.

02:19:14.000 Yeah, I did.

02:19:14.000 I think it's 2-0 and he got that takedown.

02:19:16.000 That's right.

02:19:17.000 We are in Brazil though.

02:19:19.000 Yeah.

02:19:20.000 And he did rock Johnson with that one punch.

02:19:23.000 Johnson rocked him.

02:19:24.000 He's pushing the action.

02:19:25.000 Chandler can easily be Brazilian.

02:19:27.000 Easily.

02:19:28.000 Oh!

02:19:30.000 That was a beautiful combination.

02:19:33.000 Dude, Johnson is on fire.

02:19:34.000 Ooh, damn, son.

02:19:35.000 Good kick to the body there, too.

02:19:37.000 He's trying to finish him.

02:19:38.000 A lot of blood coming out of the nose.

02:19:39.000 Ooh, good kick.

02:19:39.000 Damn, that's a hard kick.

02:19:41.000 He throws that kick so fast, man.

02:19:41.000 How's he taking that?

02:19:45.000 There's so little wind-up.

02:19:48.000 Oh, that's another thing, John.

02:19:49.000 What do you think about a lot of these guys you've seen in MMA, like Lyoto, they throw karate style where there's no step.

02:19:57.000 What do you think about the varying differences between the karate style that you're starting to see from a lot of these guys and Thai style?

02:20:06.000 Yeah, I'm loving it.

02:20:07.000 I love the versatility.

02:20:09.000 I love having...

02:20:11.000 The culture of karate coming back again all of a sudden is showing that it is an actual form and it is actually working.

02:20:17.000 I don't want to be a one person, oh, Muay Thai is going to beat everything.

02:20:20.000 No, I like Taekwondo, I like karate, I like boxing, I like MMA, I like everything.

02:20:24.000 That's awesome.

02:20:26.000 If you can throw an amazing spin kick, I reckon it's amazing.

02:20:30.000 Instead of your traditional...

02:20:31.000 Yeah, if you can do the cool stuff.

02:20:36.000 Well, you know, that open-mindedness is probably one of the reasons why you became a great fighter in the first place.

02:20:41.000 You were thinking, you know, oh, damn.

02:20:43.000 Barboza has some really fucking fast kicks, man.

02:20:46.000 Super fast.

02:20:46.000 Like, from the chamber, like right from the launch, he's throwing some awful fast kicks.

02:20:52.000 Not really landing, though.

02:20:53.000 Johnson's very aware and ready.

02:20:55.000 It's pressure, man.

02:20:56.000 Pressure's incredible.

02:20:57.000 And the ones that have landed, Johnson's eating them well.

02:21:00.000 Encounter.

02:21:01.000 Take some crazy shots.

02:21:05.000 This just shows you like how high-level MMA is.

02:21:09.000 These guys have dedicated like their heart and soul for years to get to this point and both of them would get lit up by cardio.

02:21:17.000 I mean, how do you last this long?

02:21:18.000 There's only one takedown attempt as well, the whole fight as well.

02:21:21.000 It's pretty much mostly stand-up, yeah.

02:21:24.000 You've seen that a lot, man.

02:21:26.000 You've seen that a lot.

02:21:27.000 There's many, many fights that go by now.

02:21:29.000 It used to be very unusual that there was no grappling at all in a fight.

02:21:32.000 Now it's pretty common.

02:21:34.000 I think that's because of the pressure from the fans.

02:21:37.000 As he takes them down.

02:21:38.000 I think that's a number of things.

02:21:40.000 I think that's a number of things, though.

02:21:42.000 If you're a grappler, it's frowned upon.

02:21:45.000 Callan, what do you think about what he just said?

02:21:47.000 I would agree.

02:21:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:49.000 But as a master wheel kicker who was kind of in a national, national championship.

02:21:55.000 I mean, it was kind of a national championship.

02:21:58.000 If you read the Taekwondo Times and the Gazette...

02:22:00.000 And if you do, you're a loser.

02:22:05.000 Johnson won that 3-0.

02:22:07.000 3-0, really?

02:22:10.000 I think 3-0, but it's Brazil.

02:22:12.000 That's a very impressive performance, I'll tell you that.

02:22:15.000 He went after them.

02:22:18.000 Some of my hardest fights have been doing Nakata.

02:22:21.000 Is that right?

02:22:22.000 No.

02:22:24.000 Is anyone taking me?

02:22:28.000 I'm going to fight myself.

02:22:29.000 That's the main event, son.

02:22:32.000 Please take that seriously.

02:22:34.000 Can I see this?

02:22:35.000 Do you ever use open eagle claw here?

02:22:38.000 Look at that right there, dude.

02:22:39.000 The dim mech.

02:22:40.000 What do you guys think about the main event here?

02:22:43.000 Frank Mir and Bigfoot?

02:22:44.000 Damn, Frank needs to win.

02:22:45.000 There's only one guy who needs to win more than I do.

02:22:47.000 It's Frank Mir.

02:22:48.000 Bigfoot needs to win too.

02:22:49.000 He just got knocked out by Orlovsky.

02:22:50.000 Here's my question.

02:22:51.000 Is he allowed to do TRT in Brazil?

02:22:54.000 So Bigfoot lost to Kane, right?

02:22:57.000 He lost to Kane.

02:22:58.000 He had a draw with Hunt, but then they took it away.

02:23:01.000 Tested positive.

02:23:03.000 It's not even tested positive.

02:23:05.000 He had a license to take testosterone.

02:23:07.000 They tested him before the fight.

02:23:09.000 He was one level.

02:23:10.000 They tested him after the fight.

02:23:12.000 He was off the charts.

02:23:13.000 So that means in the locker...

02:23:15.000 Pride style, son.

02:23:18.000 And he's getting sued by his doctor.

02:23:20.000 Because he tried to say that it was his doctor's fault.

02:23:22.000 That was doctor suing him.

02:23:24.000 So he's really 0-3.

02:23:26.000 Mare's 0-4 or 0-5?

02:23:28.000 0-4.

02:23:30.000 You know, I don't think he'd say he's 0-3 after that fight with Bigfoot.

02:23:33.000 Or with Mark Hunt, rather, because all due respect is such a fucking war.

02:23:38.000 Yeah, maybe he was on some chemical assistance, but god damn, that was a fucking war.

02:23:42.000 For sure, but it wasn't a win, so I'd say he's 0-2.

02:23:45.000 Yeah.

02:23:46.000 0-2-1?

02:23:46.000 I'm going to say it's...

02:23:47.000 It's so fucking hard to tell.

02:23:49.000 What do you call that?

02:23:51.000 You're either going to say the fight never happened, or you say it was what it was, which was a draw.

02:23:55.000 I don't think we can celebrate it.

02:23:57.000 I don't think you celebrate it.

02:23:58.000 You can't celebrate it.

02:23:59.000 Well, you can celebrate it as a performance, though.

02:24:01.000 Because, god damn, that was a performance by both guys.

02:24:03.000 So much so that I have a roots of fight, a very limited edition Bigfoot Hunt Silva 2, before the drugs...

02:24:10.000 The drug test came out.

02:24:13.000 They made this jacket and Dana sent me one and we were laughing and he gave it to me because he loved that fight.

02:24:20.000 Dana loved that fight.

02:24:21.000 And then when it turned out they got the drug test back and they found out that Bigfoot was through the roof, he was so disappointed.

02:24:26.000 He was just so depressed.

02:24:28.000 He had these jackets made.

02:24:30.000 It was a classic.

02:24:31.000 Yeah, it was a classic, man.

02:24:32.000 Bigfoot Hunt 2. That's so crazy.

02:24:35.000 Were you really?

02:24:36.000 I was from media away from it.

02:24:38.000 Is there a steroid problem in kickboxing?

02:24:41.000 I don't know.

02:24:42.000 We don't test.

02:24:43.000 But in Thailand, wow!

02:24:45.000 Then it's not a problem.

02:24:46.000 I'll help you, John.

02:24:47.000 Then you got a problem.

02:24:48.000 No, then you don't have a problem because you're not really caring.

02:24:52.000 It's not a problem.

02:24:53.000 Well, I wouldn't say problem, but...

02:24:54.000 Would you say in your opinion...

02:24:54.000 It's an issue.

02:24:57.000 It's a factor, yeah.

02:24:58.000 What do you think, let's say Pride, all the Pride fighters and all the Pride fights, would you say the number would be 70% of Pride fighters were on something?

02:25:08.000 80, 90 or 100?

02:25:09.000 What would you say?

02:25:11.000 I can't say I didn't fight back then, I don't know.

02:25:13.000 If you had to guess, based on the things you hear.

02:25:15.000 When I talked to Ensign Inoue, who fought in Pride and didn't do shit, he didn't take anything, If you talk to him, I bet he's right, and I bet it's most people.

02:25:24.000 So probably most means like 70, 60, 70, something like that.

02:25:28.000 But he said it was in the contract that they don't test for steroids.

02:25:31.000 They wrote it down in the contract.

02:25:34.000 It's weird.

02:25:34.000 I think Mark Kerr was a prime example of someone that might have done something about it.

02:25:39.000 He fought, he wrestled it.

02:25:40.000 No, dude, he was all positive thinking.

02:25:45.000 Mark Coleman?

02:25:46.000 I don't know about Kerr.

02:25:47.000 I don't know about Kerr.

02:25:48.000 If he would have done stories, he would have been his.

02:25:51.000 Same with Ken Shamrock.

02:25:53.000 Mark Coleman.

02:25:55.000 Yeah, all those guys.

02:25:56.000 Dan Bobish.

02:25:58.000 Bob Sapp.

02:25:59.000 The reality is, we know, probably, we're pretty certain, if you had to bet all the money you had, you would go, yeah, most of the Pride Fighters, maybe, 90%, maybe, you'd have to go with that.

02:26:12.000 And no one's questioning their legacies.

02:26:14.000 No, exactly.

02:26:15.000 At all.

02:26:16.000 And we know they promoted it.

02:26:18.000 They put it in their contract.

02:26:20.000 We know this.

02:26:20.000 But the thing is, no one tested positive.

02:26:22.000 Once people test positive, then people get angry.

02:26:24.000 Then the trolls come out.

02:26:26.000 Then people share their opinions.

02:26:27.000 Then people write all these fucking pieces about it.

02:26:30.000 And then it becomes a real thing.

02:26:33.000 Is it the nerds that sucked at sports that are talking shit?

02:26:36.000 No, it's a lot of people that are like, you know, they're purists.

02:26:39.000 They don't want to see that shit.

02:26:41.000 But it's always been, in every major sport, we're pretending that it's not.

02:26:45.000 Yeah, I think if you're around sports, you're going to be more accepting of it.

02:26:49.000 Like, you're going to be like, alright, the guy's on shit, whatever, he's still a great athlete.

02:26:52.000 If you've never competed in sports and you stick behind a computer and eat Cheetos all day, you're going to be like, this is ridiculous.

02:26:57.000 Yes, that's why they're better than me.

02:26:58.000 Yeah, that's bullshit.

02:26:59.000 I could have been in the NFL if I did the same shit.

02:27:01.000 Oh, really?

02:27:02.000 Go take the same shit and try and do a baseball like Barry Bonds.

02:27:04.000 Exactly.

02:27:06.000 Everyone's pretending.

02:27:07.000 Right?

02:27:08.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

02:27:09.000 Everyone's going, okay, let's pretend test.

02:27:09.000 That's what's going on.

02:27:12.000 We're going to have a pretend press conference.

02:27:14.000 We're going to have a pretend news fucking media thing.

02:27:18.000 Everything's pretend.

02:27:19.000 No, no, no, no.

02:27:20.000 The testing is fucking for real.

02:27:22.000 They're spending a shitload of money.

02:27:23.000 The conferences, the press conferences, that's all for real.

02:27:26.000 But everybody that's testing, everybody that's involved, they know the reality.

02:27:30.000 The testing is just to somehow make it look like they care.

02:27:34.000 No.

02:27:35.000 The testing is to try to eliminate it.

02:27:35.000 No.

02:27:37.000 The testing is to try to bust people, and now they're going to give them huge fines.

02:27:41.000 Now they're going to kick them out for like two years.

02:27:43.000 Two or four years, right?

02:27:44.000 Like Dana said, I went mine for four years.

02:27:46.000 Man, I don't know about any of that.

02:27:48.000 What are you talking about?

02:27:49.000 That's what they're doing.

02:27:50.000 Eddie, that's what they're doing.

02:27:51.000 Because they have to kind of do it, and they have to kind of say it.

02:27:54.000 Well, they have to do it because they want to do it.

02:27:56.000 They want to clean up the sport.

02:27:57.000 I know this from the Top down.

02:27:58.000 They do want to get the steroids out of sport because it's bad for their business.

02:28:02.000 These guys can get tested positive for steroids and it keeps showing up and all these new...

02:28:07.000 It becomes a part of the story that makes it unattractive to advertisers.

02:28:10.000 It makes it look like what the worst stereotype is.

02:28:14.000 This thuggish sport that's filled with criminals and people doing unethical things and Lance Armstrong and cheaters and all that.

02:28:22.000 Barry Bosh.

02:28:22.000 Everyone's still doing it in cycling.

02:28:24.000 Everyone's still doing it.

02:28:25.000 But that's what they're trying to eliminate.

02:28:27.000 How else would you have them eliminated?

02:28:29.000 With random testing, though.

02:28:30.000 Random testing is going to catch everybody.

02:28:32.000 They're never going to eliminate it.

02:28:33.000 So what are you saying?

02:28:33.000 Isn't there...

02:28:35.000 Wasn't he saying...

02:28:36.000 When he said that they got steroids now that'll get out of your system really quick, and that's what everyone's really on, is the shit that gets out of your system within days, and they're just taking chances...

02:28:45.000 Maybe Lance Armstrong can afford it.

02:28:47.000 Isn't that what he just said?

02:28:48.000 Isn't that what he's saying on his podcast?

02:28:50.000 Or maybe I heard wrong, but...

02:28:51.000 You might be right.

02:28:53.000 Apparently...

02:28:53.000 The podcast with me?

02:28:54.000 I don't know if it was yours.

02:28:56.000 I'd have to go over it again and listen because we talked about a lot of different options.

02:28:59.000 But apparently, have you heard of this?

02:29:01.000 Designer steroids?

02:29:02.000 They get in and out of your system really quick, right?

02:29:05.000 Yeah.

02:29:06.000 Yeah, but I don't think financially a lot of guys in the EFCR may afford those.

02:29:10.000 That's like at a high level.

02:29:11.000 You're talking about Lance Armstrong.

02:29:13.000 You're talking about NFL guys.

02:29:14.000 For real?

02:29:14.000 So there are different steroids that get out of your system really quick that are super expensive?

02:29:19.000 That's what Victor Conte said.

02:29:21.000 That's what all the top guys are doing.

02:29:23.000 Yeah, like there's steroids that they're ahead of the testing.

02:29:26.000 Well, you know what I feel like?

02:29:28.000 He was a guy that would know.

02:29:30.000 Because he was a part of that whole thing with the clean.

02:29:34.000 It's like a gel they would put on these guys.

02:29:36.000 And they would pass all their tests.

02:29:39.000 And that's what the BALCO scandal was all about, was a designer steroid that they created.

02:29:44.000 So if that's what he's saying, I mean, that makes sense that this guy would...

02:29:47.000 But you know what's going to eliminate it?

02:29:49.000 The UFC doing random testing is going to fuck guys.

02:29:51.000 Brendan, but listen.

02:29:53.000 It's great what they're doing.

02:29:53.000 Are they still, in your opinion, do you think professional football players do steroids?

02:30:00.000 Don't eat into the microphone.

02:30:01.000 Yes.

02:30:02.000 You think they do?

02:30:02.000 100%.

02:30:03.000 So after all this shit, do you still have professional...

02:30:22.000 I don't think anybody's really trying.

02:30:26.000 I think it's just a show.

02:30:28.000 But now, is it a show, Eddie?

02:30:29.000 Because now if you get caught dancing, you're out two to four years.

02:30:32.000 If you're a Roy Nelson or a Brendan Schaub and they tell you you're out for two or four years, you're done.

02:30:38.000 You're done fighting.

02:30:39.000 So are you going to risk taking steroids?

02:30:43.000 Are these the harshest laws in professional sports?

02:30:45.000 That's what they're trying to get done.

02:30:47.000 Is that what's going on?

02:30:48.000 Yeah.

02:30:48.000 How come it never got to that point in football?

02:30:51.000 They're still doing it.

02:30:53.000 True.

02:30:54.000 That's a good point.

02:30:55.000 Because football doesn't have a state athletic commission behind them like Nevada.

02:30:58.000 Is that what's going on?

02:30:59.000 It's 100%.

02:30:59.000 Absolutely.

02:31:00.000 So football doesn't have a state...

02:31:02.000 They don't have to have a state athletic commission that sanctions their fights.

02:31:05.000 They self-test.

02:31:07.000 That's why the NFL or the NBA doesn't test for pot.

02:31:10.000 They make it in their contracts.

02:31:12.000 They don't have to deal with the athletic commission's rules.

02:31:14.000 So they figured out a way to get around it.

02:31:16.000 No sports.

02:31:17.000 They don't have anybody to answer to.

02:31:19.000 Well, they don't have anybody to answer to.

02:31:20.000 The Nevada State Athletic Commission sanctioned the UFC to make it legitimate.

02:31:24.000 Because the UFC was this crazy sport that was actually outlawed.

02:31:29.000 Football was never outlawed.

02:31:30.000 So football didn't need to be cleaned up to the point where some regulatory body consents to having them perform in their state.

02:31:38.000 Also, Eddie, in the NFL, those guys aren't punching and kicking each other in the face.

02:31:42.000 So there should be stricter punishment when it comes to fighting.

02:31:46.000 That's what you're getting into.

02:31:47.000 You're getting into punching and kicking in the face.

02:31:50.000 I didn't sign up for extra punching hard in the face.

02:31:53.000 I signed up for medium punching.

02:31:55.000 I didn't want to get punched really hard.

02:31:58.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:31:59.000 You're getting in a fight in a cage.

02:32:01.000 You guys are throwing down.

02:32:03.000 I don't get it.

02:32:05.000 I don't know.

02:32:06.000 I'm not sure what you're saying.

02:32:07.000 I'm just saying that I think it's a big show.

02:32:09.000 I mean, everybody knows everyone's doing shit.

02:32:11.000 So you're saying they shouldn't do anything about it?

02:32:14.000 I'm saying if it worked for Pride, let them do it.

02:32:17.000 I'm saying they should have Pride rules, Pride format, Pride regulation.

02:32:22.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:32:22.000 I think that's bad for the sport.

02:32:24.000 Was it bad for Pride?

02:32:25.000 Did Pride go down because it's too well?

02:32:28.000 They didn't do well anymore.

02:32:29.000 They didn't have any advertisements.

02:32:30.000 Yeah, Pride went under.

02:32:32.000 Dodge and Harley Davidson was jumping on boards.

02:32:34.000 But did it have to do with the steroid use?

02:32:37.000 The steroid use made Pride crumble.

02:32:40.000 I'm sure it was a part of it.

02:32:41.000 You can't have guys juiced to the gills.

02:32:43.000 But how did that correlate with demise of Pride?

02:32:48.000 I don't get it.

02:32:49.000 Because guys have traps hanging out of their fucking ears, punch each other in the face.

02:32:53.000 So Harley Davidson is like, yeah, obviously that guy's not natural.

02:32:55.000 Okay, that's just not...

02:32:56.000 I don't know.

02:32:57.000 This is a false premise.

02:32:58.000 What happened with Pride was the Yakuza.

02:33:01.000 There was a lot of problems.

02:33:01.000 That's what happened.

02:33:02.000 First of all...

02:33:04.000 Japanese are different than us, and they go in fads.

02:33:06.000 They have fads.

02:33:07.000 And sometimes those fads are gigantic, huge things.

02:33:11.000 Like, you know, they would fill 90,000-seat arenas with kickboxing.

02:33:15.000 Not anymore, man.

02:33:16.000 Really?

02:33:17.000 Yeah, just things happen.

02:33:19.000 Things change, you know?

02:33:20.000 Nope, nope, not into the mic.

02:33:22.000 See how I do that?

02:33:23.000 It's another thing that people complained about.

02:33:26.000 Well, whatever.

02:33:27.000 I promise you.

02:33:29.000 Back to Pride.

02:33:32.000 What about Fedor?

02:33:33.000 Do you reckon he was on something?

02:33:35.000 You know what?

02:33:36.000 Until you know for sure, you can't say you know, but I would imagine the possibility is high.

02:33:43.000 He didn't look it though.

02:33:44.000 Fuck he didn't.

02:33:45.000 He looked big.

02:33:47.000 He was a big fucking thick dude.

02:33:49.000 Go back and look at what he looked like when he fought Fujita.

02:33:51.000 Go back and look at what he looked like.

02:33:52.000 He was a thick motherfucker.

02:33:54.000 He didn't look anything like he looked when he fought Bigfoot Silva.

02:33:57.000 So what happened?

02:33:58.000 Did he stop lifting weights?

02:33:59.000 That's possible.

02:34:00.000 Or...

02:34:02.000 Did he stop taking whatever the fuck he was taking?

02:34:04.000 That's possible, too.

02:34:05.000 When Anderson Silva tests positive, I would have never guessed.

02:34:08.000 I owe everyone an apology.

02:34:11.000 I told people John Fitch would never take steroids.

02:34:15.000 Because John Fitch told me that and I believed him.

02:34:18.000 In your late 30s, you're trying to compete in MMA with...

02:34:22.000 I mean, it's almost impossible.

02:34:24.000 Sorry, I said it.

02:34:25.000 It ain't easy.

02:34:25.000 I don't even know.

02:34:27.000 Would you rate Fedor even better than he already is for beating guys that are on steroids?

02:34:32.000 Yes, unless he was on steroids when he was beating those guys who were on steroids.

02:34:36.000 You don't know, man.

02:34:37.000 Look, he's obviously in the pocket of some very wealthy people who would want him to do well at all costs.

02:34:45.000 I don't know what the ramifications of those conversations are.

02:34:49.000 But I do know that I had heard unsubstantiated reports of how he got paid and who got the actual money.

02:34:57.000 And, you know, he's dealing with some very fucking powerful people.

02:35:00.000 Yeah, when Putin's at the show, there's something going on.

02:35:03.000 There's a lot of other people behind the show that also are very wealthy.

02:35:05.000 And, you know, look, there he is right there, Fedor.

02:35:08.000 That Fedor with Bigfoot on top of him, smashing him, has no relationship whatsoever to the Fedor that beat so many guys in pride.

02:35:16.000 He's also older, though.

02:35:17.000 He is, 100%.

02:35:18.000 And Bigfoot's on there, right at his exemption.

02:35:21.000 Yep, he did have his exemption.

02:35:23.000 He was huge back then.

02:35:24.000 He is old.

02:35:25.000 All those things are correct.

02:35:26.000 You're right.

02:35:27.000 But I still...

02:35:29.000 I mean, he was certainly diminished because of just sheer training, trauma fights, some high-level fights against some big guys for a long career.

02:35:37.000 There was all that, too.

02:35:39.000 And he even changed his style of training.

02:35:41.000 He stopped with the weightlifting.

02:35:43.000 I don't think...

02:35:43.000 Like, sometimes guys just get old.

02:35:45.000 They might not be on steroids.

02:35:46.000 They just get old.

02:35:47.000 Washed up.

02:35:48.000 That shit happens when you get punched in the face.

02:35:52.000 That definitely happens.

02:35:56.000 Here we go.

02:35:56.000 What do you guys think?

02:35:57.000 Frank Mir or Bigfoot?

02:35:58.000 Bigfoot.

02:35:59.000 I gotta go with Frank Mir.

02:36:01.000 I didn't like the way Bigfoot went down against Arlovsky.

02:36:04.000 He looked crazy.

02:36:05.000 It looked like his chin had evaporated.

02:36:07.000 I'm also taking Frank Mir, surprisingly.

02:36:11.000 You're going with Frank Mir, Joe?

02:36:12.000 Not for me.

02:36:14.000 No, I'm saying you're going with Frank Mir.

02:36:14.000 For Frank.

02:36:17.000 I think Mir can win this fight.

02:36:17.000 Yeah, I'm going with Mir.

02:36:20.000 But I wouldn't be surprised if Bigfoot took it to him.

02:36:22.000 By submission?

02:36:24.000 He could win by submission.

02:36:27.000 Bigfoot's never been submitted, and he's a black belt.

02:36:29.000 Well, he's giant.

02:36:30.000 I know.

02:36:31.000 Do you see when Fedor went for that leg lock on him?

02:36:33.000 He's laughing like this.

02:36:34.000 I was like, damn, son.

02:36:36.000 No, no, no.

02:36:37.000 Laughing.

02:36:38.000 Fedor.

02:36:39.000 I just want to see Frank win, man.

02:36:42.000 He looks in good shape.

02:36:43.000 I mean, I watched some footage of him training.

02:36:45.000 He looks like he worked hard for this.

02:36:47.000 He had Ricky Lindell in his corner.

02:36:49.000 He did a lot of training with him.

02:36:51.000 A lot of work on his grappling.

02:36:59.000 Fucking hard, man.

02:37:00.000 At this age, it's hard.

02:37:02.000 You gotta realize, Frank was 22. He's been fighting the UFC his entire life.

02:37:07.000 Dude, I was there back then, watching it.

02:37:07.000 Yeah.

02:37:10.000 I mean, I didn't get a chance to see the early ones in person.

02:37:12.000 I didn't get a chance to see them in person until, boy, I remember which fight it was.

02:37:19.000 Wes Sims, maybe?

02:37:20.000 Well, I saw Wes Sims for sure.

02:37:24.000 I saw the Tim Sylvia fight.

02:37:27.000 I was there for that, talking to Tim in the octagon.

02:37:30.000 We wanted to keep fighting.

02:37:32.000 And then we showed him the video of his arm getting snapped.

02:37:34.000 And he's like, oh.

02:37:35.000 And then he realized, like, oh.

02:37:36.000 And then the shock sets in.

02:37:38.000 He's like, I've got to get to the hospital.

02:37:39.000 He's all, ow!

02:37:40.000 Yeah.

02:37:42.000 Yeah, I just appreciate what Frank stands for and how long he's been doing it and he's relevant.

02:37:46.000 And my favorite UFC fight of all time is when he beat Brock Lesnar.

02:37:50.000 I felt like it was the MMA community against the WWE community.

02:37:54.000 And when he beat him, I never cheered for someone so hard in my life.

02:37:57.000 Well, how crazy is it to take a guy, his second pro fight, and you make him fight a former UFC champion in his prime.

02:38:03.000 Isn't it great?

02:38:04.000 Ridiculous.

02:38:05.000 Ridiculous.

02:38:06.000 Well, Brock Lesnar got brought along worse than any fucking fighter ever in the history of fighting and still managed to outrun the odds.

02:38:14.000 I agree.

02:38:15.000 Still managed to beat...

02:38:16.000 That's how big of a freak he was.

02:38:17.000 Oh, yeah.

02:38:17.000 Beat Randy Gautour's fourth fucking pro fight.

02:38:20.000 What?

02:38:20.000 How?

02:38:21.000 Huh?

02:38:22.000 He beat Heath Herring.

02:38:23.000 Yeah, knocked him out.

02:38:24.000 Beat Heath Herring, and then he beats Randy Couture.

02:38:27.000 Third and fourth pro fight.

02:38:28.000 Are you fucking kidding me?

02:38:29.000 He gets submitted by Frank, right?

02:38:31.000 Yeah.

02:38:31.000 Well, the second fight was Frank.

02:38:33.000 Yes.

02:38:34.000 Frank submits him, and then after Frank, he fights Heath Herring.

02:38:38.000 Steamrolls Heath Herring.

02:38:40.000 It's amazing how he remembers all this shit.

02:38:45.000 Got nothing else in there.

02:38:46.000 Just fighting.

02:38:47.000 I don't remember anything, man.

02:38:49.000 Just a couple fights.

02:38:50.000 But that's not true because if you talk about jujitsu submissions, positions, submissions, transitions, you could remember shit.

02:38:56.000 I see you go over moves and techniques.

02:38:58.000 I'm so behind the curve.

02:39:00.000 Oh, that's different.

02:39:02.000 I've got to start taking my jiu-jitsu more seriously.

02:39:03.000 I would say the odds are Bigfoot knocks them out in the first round.

02:39:06.000 That's the highest odds.

02:39:08.000 Are there guys out there that can know every, like you could do a UFC trivia game or Jeopardy where they know, you could say UFC 152 and they could just rattle off.

02:39:19.000 Fans for sure.

02:39:20.000 Are there?

02:39:21.000 I'm sure Joe's probably damn close.

02:39:23.000 Kenny Florin's really good too.

02:39:24.000 Kenny knows his shit.

02:39:25.000 Every UFC, the number, the headliner, the co-headliner.

02:39:28.000 I bet there's some fans who can do it for sure.

02:39:30.000 And then the crazy rain men can go into the prelims and give you the fucking results of the prelims.

02:39:35.000 There's a guy, you call him the Fight Pass King.

02:39:39.000 There's gotta be guys out there!

02:39:41.000 Right?

02:39:42.000 Have a little UFC trivia podcast show once.

02:39:49.000 Some guys get mad at me if I'm watching these and I don't know a guy.

02:39:53.000 I'm like, I'm not working.

02:39:54.000 Yeah, I know.

02:39:55.000 They get super upset.

02:39:56.000 I'm just watching.

02:39:57.000 I used to know them all.

02:39:58.000 I don't know shit anymore.

02:40:01.000 I know Bigfoot, though.

02:40:02.000 Deal with the giant head.

02:40:04.000 Well, one of the things that I think they fucked up on, or they should have kept going, was when you were doing those in-between rounds, you would do your assessment of who won.

02:40:13.000 They didn't like it.

02:40:14.000 I liked it.

02:40:15.000 I really liked it.

02:40:16.000 But the commission didn't like it.

02:40:18.000 Because Eddie would have a rationalization.

02:40:20.000 He would have a voice.

02:40:22.000 He could speak his mind just like Harold Letterman does on boxing.

02:40:25.000 I think it makes it exciting for people.

02:40:27.000 Because Eddie had it broken down.

02:40:29.000 I watched him do it.

02:40:30.000 He sat next to me during the fights.

02:40:31.000 He was fucking diligent as shit.

02:40:33.000 He made his own system.

02:40:35.000 Instead of just looking at the scorecard and trying to figure it out, Eddie had a whole breakdown of kicks, takedowns.

02:40:41.000 I think it's shorthand.

02:40:43.000 I was writing shorthand everything.

02:40:44.000 I had two guys and I'd look at the fight and go kick, punch, punch, punch, kick, takedown, takedown attempt, left knee.

02:40:52.000 And then after that round, they're giving me 30 seconds to make my assessment.

02:40:55.000 I got to go back and review.

02:40:56.000 If you don't write it down like that, you don't remember.

02:40:59.000 You don't remember shit.

02:41:00.000 You got to go back and look at it.

02:41:02.000 So now I go, I reviewed it.

02:41:03.000 He landed two punches there.

02:41:04.000 This guy landed a big knee.

02:41:06.000 Which one was more serious?

02:41:07.000 And then bam, I have something to look at when I'm...

02:41:09.000 Still a lot to look at.

02:41:10.000 Still a lot.

02:41:10.000 I'd much rather have that than have these three fucking squares judging my fight.

02:41:15.000 Ridiculous.

02:41:16.000 Ridiculous.

02:41:17.000 I think it's important for the sport.

02:41:18.000 I think it's important.

02:41:19.000 It's important to have those schlubs judging.

02:41:19.000 I agree.

02:41:23.000 Why?

02:41:24.000 I think so.

02:41:24.000 What's wrong with you?

02:41:26.000 This is his third beer.

02:41:26.000 You're drunk.

02:41:27.000 No, no, no.

02:41:27.000 Yeah, his beer is gone.

02:41:29.000 You ate some weird...

02:41:30.000 Listen, listen.

02:41:33.000 You don't think...

02:41:34.000 If you were running the casinos and you were running all that shit, all the betting, you don't think that...

02:41:41.000 It's good to have fall guys, the judges, good to blame the stupid judge.

02:41:47.000 Look, get stupid judges.

02:41:48.000 Oh, and he just went into chemtrails.

02:41:49.000 He went into black helicopters.

02:41:51.000 Oh, there's no corruption?

02:41:52.000 There's no corruption in casinos.

02:41:54.000 I'm talking about it as me, man.

02:41:55.000 It's corruption.

02:41:56.000 This is another level.

02:41:57.000 He can't help it.

02:41:59.000 I'm just saying, if I was running the casinos, I would want schlubs in there so that if we looked at the numbers and we're like, shit, we need this decision or that decision.

02:42:08.000 Brian, talk to him.

02:42:10.000 I fucking agree with Eddie.

02:42:11.000 Let me tell you this.

02:42:12.000 No, seriously.

02:42:13.000 I've had a judge tell me.

02:42:15.000 I'm not going to say his name.

02:42:16.000 Somewhere else I've mentioned his name, but I'm not going to mention his name tonight.

02:42:19.000 A judge, a very popular, popular UFC judge, has told me to assist.

02:42:24.000 I'll say it.

02:42:25.000 Judge Judy.

02:42:26.000 Judge Judy told me that three separate occasions, on three separate occasions, he wrote down a score for one fighter, and then when Bruce Buffer read it, it was for the other guy.

02:42:38.000 Three different times.

02:42:39.000 This guy told me through my face.

02:42:41.000 Three different times.

02:42:42.000 He's very famous.

02:42:43.000 That makes me never want to fight again, Eddie.

02:42:44.000 He might be an idiot and he might be full of shit.

02:42:46.000 I don't know.

02:42:47.000 And he might be looking for a fall guy as the commission.

02:42:50.000 I'm just saying that's what I would do.

02:42:51.000 All I'm saying is that's what I would do.

02:42:53.000 If I was running the casinos, I would do that.

02:42:55.000 Okay.

02:42:55.000 Let's watch the fight.

02:42:56.000 We're about to watch.

02:42:57.000 We don't want to get fucking killed here.

02:42:59.000 These are just my crazy assumptions.

02:43:01.000 They're both 35. Interesting story about Bigfoot Silva.

02:43:05.000 When Shane, he was like 4-0, 5-0, Elite XC had Bigfoot Silva's contract.

02:43:10.000 They offered Shane a contract to fight Bigfoot Silva.

02:43:13.000 That fight would have been insane.

02:43:15.000 Because it was Shane Carr when he was fucking prime.

02:43:18.000 Bigfoot Silva in his prime.

02:43:20.000 They were supposed to fight, but then the UFC offered Shane.

02:43:22.000 So then Shane went to the UFC instead of fighting Bigfoot Silva.

02:43:25.000 That's when Shane looked like He-Man.

02:43:28.000 Healthy.

02:43:29.000 He-Man, Master of the Universe.

02:43:30.000 Ugh.

02:43:31.000 Frank Mir coming in at 261 in this fight, by the way.

02:43:31.000 Dude.

02:43:34.000 We're usually walking around at 245, I believe.

02:43:37.000 No, he's fought at 260 before.

02:43:37.000 He gained a lot of weight.

02:43:38.000 He got pretty heavy right after he fought Brock.

02:43:41.000 Bigfoot with a little bit of acne on his back.

02:43:42.000 That's normal, though.

02:43:43.000 That's normal in Brazil.

02:43:44.000 It's hot down there.

02:43:49.000 It's hot down there.

02:43:50.000 Is the arena really hot right now?

02:43:51.000 Yeah.

02:43:51.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:43:52.000 Their air conditioning was from the 50s.

02:43:54.000 Do you think Mario Yamasaki's pissed at the ring girls for ripping off his shit?

02:43:58.000 For sure.

02:43:59.000 He probably saw him.

02:43:59.000 He probably saw him in the back.

02:44:01.000 Or maybe he's...

02:44:05.000 Maybe he's paying them.

02:44:06.000 Maybe he's telling them to do that.

02:44:08.000 He's franchising it.

02:44:08.000 Maybe he's marking his territory.

02:44:10.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:44:11.000 When they do the heart, guys know.

02:44:13.000 There's a lot of beef in this octagon right now.

02:44:16.000 I think Frank, when he got heavy, he lost a lot of his speed, man.

02:44:22.000 He lost a lot of his speed.

02:44:22.000 When he got heavy?

02:44:23.000 When he got heavy after Brock beat the brakes off him out of half guard.

02:44:26.000 When he pounded him out of half guard, then he started doing this power lifting, got all big, which wasn't good.

02:44:31.000 The age of the big, big heavyweights, gone.

02:44:34.000 How big are you?

02:44:36.000 Uh, 240. Wow, that's pretty big.

02:44:38.000 Is it?

02:44:39.000 250 pounds.

02:44:40.000 Well, it's 25 pounds lighter than the weight.

02:44:42.000 Can you get the 205?

02:44:44.000 Yes.

02:44:44.000 If you had to.

02:44:45.000 You thinking about it, maybe?

02:44:45.000 Yes.

02:44:47.000 Wow, that's a yes.

02:44:48.000 That's a yes.

02:44:49.000 Hey, if you can make it, that's your spot.

02:44:49.000 Look at that.

02:44:52.000 If you can make it, that's your spot.

02:44:54.000 If you can't make it, that's your spot.

02:44:55.000 Yeah.

02:44:55.000 Simple.

02:44:56.000 Who knows?

02:44:56.000 Don't want to get into it.

02:44:57.000 Hey.

02:44:58.000 Don't want Joe tearing into me.

02:44:59.000 Hey.

02:45:01.000 He might be throwing people around at 205. Dollar bits.

02:45:05.000 I'll have Bigfoot, please.

02:45:07.000 You want Bigfoot?

02:45:08.000 One dollar.

02:45:08.000 You got Bigfoot?

02:45:09.000 I got Frank Mayer.

02:45:10.000 I'll take it.

02:45:11.000 You got action.

02:45:12.000 You got action.

02:45:13.000 I'll take the American because I'm American.

02:45:15.000 Yeah, me too.

02:45:16.000 Fuck yeah.

02:45:17.000 Ooh, Bigfoot's body's not looking great.

02:45:19.000 Come on, Frankie.

02:45:20.000 Frank.

02:45:21.000 Bigfoot looks very angry.

02:45:22.000 That's a hell of a target, though.

02:45:24.000 That head does not move.

02:45:25.000 That chin is a hell of a target.

02:45:27.000 Frank looks good, man.

02:45:29.000 Yeah, laying on his feet there.

02:45:30.000 Well, that's what he needs, man.

02:45:32.000 That's what he needs at this point in his life.

02:45:33.000 He needs some speed.

02:45:35.000 I would love if Frank submitted him.

02:45:37.000 Bigfoot said he's looking for redemption for his boy, Noguera.

02:45:41.000 Bigfoot's a black belt, right?

02:45:42.000 Yes.

02:45:42.000 Never been submitted, ever.

02:45:44.000 And even in the gi?

02:45:46.000 He's got good fucking hands, too.

02:45:46.000 That's what he says.

02:45:47.000 He says that?

02:45:48.000 It's impossible.

02:45:49.000 Bigfoot's got good hands.

02:45:51.000 That combination he landed on over him, that was one of the best ever.

02:45:53.000 You haven't seen a KO like that since Phil Barone KO'd Dave Manet.

02:45:58.000 Remember when he pinned him up against the cage?

02:45:59.000 Yes.

02:46:00.000 He just ding, [...

02:46:01.000 Like one of the greatest hand combination KO. Phil Barone's is number one, in my opinion.

02:46:06.000 That combination was just like video game.

02:46:08.000 Nate Marquardt versus Tyron Woodley.

02:46:11.000 That's my favorite.

02:46:12.000 But that was elbows, you know what I mean?

02:46:14.000 Still was nasty.

02:46:14.000 I didn't gasp.

02:46:17.000 Yeah, he didn't guess.

02:46:19.000 Ooh, good right hand.

02:46:20.000 Good right hand by Frank.

02:46:22.000 Oh, well, he's looking fast, man.

02:46:24.000 He looks much faster than he's looked recently.

02:46:25.000 Who's that?

02:46:26.000 Frank.

02:46:27.000 Light on his feet.

02:46:28.000 He's moving around a lot.

02:46:29.000 He's moving around like Matt Mitrione.

02:46:31.000 Yeah, well, that's what he needs, man.

02:46:31.000 Bigfoot looks slow.

02:46:33.000 That's what he was holding him back.

02:46:34.000 He was too plodding, and he got too big.

02:46:38.000 Bigfoot always has to worry about getting hit, man.

02:46:40.000 He knows his chin is just not that good anymore.

02:46:43.000 When Arlovsky clipped him with that one punch, I mean, it didn't look like the biggest punch.

02:46:47.000 But before that, he ate punches from the hardest puncher ever, really, in the UFC. And he was juiced to the titties.

02:46:53.000 Either way, though, bro.

02:46:54.000 Right, but that affects you.

02:46:56.000 I guarantee you that affects you.

02:46:57.000 It has to.

02:46:58.000 It just only makes sense that it does.

02:47:00.000 How ironic.

02:47:01.000 Isn't it weird?

02:47:02.000 God, his arms look really skinny.

02:47:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:47:04.000 Maybe I'm going crazy.

02:47:05.000 No, they don't look big at all.

02:47:07.000 They look like Brian Callen's arms on a big body.

02:47:10.000 Exactly.

02:47:10.000 Right?

02:47:11.000 They're like coiled vipers.

02:47:12.000 Well, the bones underneath them are like telephone poles just to make...

02:47:17.000 See what I'm saying?

02:47:18.000 It's over.

02:47:19.000 It's over right there.

02:47:21.000 Oh, it's over.

02:47:22.000 Stop the fight.

02:47:23.000 Dunsville.

02:47:24.000 Damn.

02:47:25.000 Yeah, son, in your face.

02:47:27.000 Frank Mir, look good.

02:47:28.000 Frank's bad.

02:47:29.000 Frank the tank.

02:47:31.000 I don't have any American currency.

02:47:32.000 What did he say?

02:47:33.000 Yeah, you're good, man.

02:47:33.000 What did he just say?

02:47:36.000 He just said something.

02:47:37.000 Damn, that's a big cut.

02:47:39.000 Bigfoot just squirted when he stood up.

02:47:42.000 Frank!

02:47:42.000 That looked good, man.

02:47:44.000 You know, that's why I bet on him, and that's why I won a dollar from John Wayne Parr.

02:47:48.000 Because I just don't feel like this dude can take a punch anymore.

02:47:51.000 I don't like the way he went down against Arlovski.

02:47:54.000 It looked crazy.

02:47:55.000 Like, he went down, and I was like, whoa.

02:47:57.000 You think it's a lack of TRT? I think it for sure affects you.

02:48:00.000 I think it's a number of things.

02:48:01.000 Look at this.

02:48:01.000 That's a nice combination, man.

02:48:04.000 A jab, left hook.

02:48:05.000 That's some fucking Buster Douglas shit.

02:48:08.000 Hell yeah, Frank.

02:48:09.000 Look at this.

02:48:10.000 In Brazil.

02:48:11.000 That is fucking beautiful, man.

02:48:13.000 I'm sorry.

02:48:14.000 That is a beautiful combination.

02:48:18.000 For sure, stop the fight.

02:48:19.000 Oh, dude, he's dead.

02:48:21.000 You don't really see Frank Mir grounding and pounding, but god damn, he has vicious ground and pounding.

02:48:24.000 Dude, that was nice, man.

02:48:26.000 You can do it all, man.

02:48:27.000 That was fucking nice, dude.

02:48:29.000 This is the Frank Mir of old.

02:48:31.000 This is a really good-looking Frank Mir here.

02:48:34.000 I'm impressed.

02:48:35.000 That is fucking ferocious.

02:48:37.000 Good for Frank, man.

02:48:38.000 I'm impressed.

02:48:39.000 Good for him.

02:48:40.000 Thank you for the dollar, Frank.

02:48:42.000 Yeah, Frank.

02:48:46.000 What is he saying?

02:48:47.000 Does he think he's talking to Brock Lesnar?

02:48:48.000 I'm back.

02:48:49.000 No, he said something like, you know, I don't know what he said.

02:48:53.000 I hope not.

02:48:54.000 You hope not what?

02:48:55.000 That he's not talking to Brock.

02:48:57.000 Alright, well that fight is over, so the fights are over.

02:48:59.000 Let's rewind it and see if we can figure out what the fuck he said.

02:49:01.000 Can we rewind it, Jamie?

02:49:03.000 Maybe he'll say it in the post-interview right here, though.

02:49:03.000 We got a remote?

02:49:06.000 Right?

02:49:07.000 Maybe he re-says it.

02:49:08.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:49:09.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

02:49:10.000 We should let him say it.

02:49:11.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:49:11.000 I can read lips, guys.

02:49:13.000 Good news.

02:49:13.000 Yeah, Brian read lips for the Marines.

02:49:15.000 Yeah, I did.

02:49:17.000 Yep.

02:49:18.000 Let's see what he says.

02:49:19.000 Here he goes.

02:49:20.000 Boom, boom.

02:49:24.000 Here it goes.

02:49:27.000 I watched you.

02:49:29.000 So what does Brian do?

02:49:30.000 He talks.

02:49:31.000 I love you, baby.

02:49:32.000 Brian, don't talk.

02:49:33.000 Why would you talk?

02:49:33.000 That's the only thing we were waiting for.

02:49:35.000 Sorry, buddy.

02:49:35.000 I love you, baby.

02:49:36.000 No, no.

02:49:42.000 Did he say daddy's making the money?

02:49:45.000 I think something along those lines.

02:49:46.000 Maybe that's through his wife.

02:49:47.000 Daddy's making some money.

02:49:50.000 Daddy's making that money.

02:49:51.000 I love you, baby.

02:49:52.000 Daddy's making that money.

02:49:53.000 There you go.

02:49:54.000 That's the best thing you could have said.

02:49:56.000 You look goddamn good.

02:49:57.000 That fucking jab left hook combination was very pretty.

02:50:01.000 What do you do if you're Bigfoot?

02:50:03.000 Retire.

02:50:04.000 I think you'd be surprised.

02:50:04.000 Damn!

02:50:06.000 I don't think he could fight without testosterone.

02:50:10.000 This is what I think.

02:50:11.000 At all the people that were on TRT, that guy has the most legitimate reason to be on it.

02:50:16.000 He had a goddamn cancer of his pituitary gland.

02:50:20.000 I mean, look at that.

02:50:21.000 That's a beautiful combination.

02:50:22.000 But if you have to have that to fight, don't fight.

02:50:24.000 You're right.

02:50:25.000 Fuck that noise.

02:50:26.000 You're right.

02:50:26.000 I don't give a fuck what you got going on.

02:50:28.000 Boom!

02:50:29.000 You're right.

02:50:30.000 If you have to be juiced to the gills to compete, how about you don't do it?

02:50:33.000 How about you go find something else to do?

02:50:34.000 But I think his natural testosterone is absurdly low because of the fact that he had a tumor on his pituitary gland.

02:50:41.000 I mean, his coaches were talking about when they eliminated testosterone, like how bad it is for him.

02:50:46.000 Cool.

02:50:46.000 Don't fight.

02:50:47.000 You're right.

02:50:48.000 Otherwise, let me do it.

02:50:50.000 Whatever you're taking, I get to do it.

02:50:51.000 If it was legal, would you do it?

02:50:54.000 I'll say yes for him.

02:50:56.000 That's a yes.

02:50:57.000 My client will not speak.

02:50:59.000 My client will not speak.

02:51:01.000 If they allowed it, just a little bit, right?

02:51:03.000 You wouldn't want to get too crazy.

02:51:05.000 Just for recovery, right?

02:51:06.000 I'll answer for him.

02:51:06.000 Eddie, look at me.

02:51:07.000 Direct your questions to Joe Rogan, please.

02:51:08.000 Look at me, Eddie.

02:51:11.000 That's all I'm saying.

02:51:12.000 That's all I'm saying.

02:51:15.000 I really liked what you said the other day about there is no negatives to taking it.

02:51:20.000 I thought that was a really good read.

02:51:20.000 Yeah.

02:51:22.000 Yeah, it's tough, man.

02:51:24.000 But with these new penalties that Dana White's talking about doing, if they actually do it, the two to four year suspension, guys are, yeah, they're not going to risk it as much, I don't think.

02:51:33.000 I think it's the only way to go.

02:51:34.000 Because when Bigfoot got done, his first fight back is for a main event in Brazil.

02:51:38.000 What did you guys think?

02:51:40.000 When Cormier and Jon Jones both had those really weird tests.

02:51:44.000 Like they tested them afterwards and they both had a really low testosterone to epitestosterone level.

02:51:51.000 What are you doing here?

02:51:52.000 Should we talk later?

02:51:52.000 What's going on?

02:51:52.000 What's his face?

02:51:53.000 No, you guys talk about it.

02:51:55.000 Do you know something?

02:51:55.000 I don't know anything.

02:51:56.000 Are you sure you don't know anything?

02:51:57.000 Positive.

02:51:58.000 Go like this.

02:52:00.000 I promise I don't know anything.

02:52:02.000 Well, I shouldn't even ask you right now.

02:52:02.000 Okay.

02:52:04.000 Typically, though, isn't it true that when your testosterone is very low like that, chances are you were introduced?

02:52:11.000 That's what Victor Conte was saying, but I think that's irresponsible to say unless you're testing these guys all the time.

02:52:17.000 It could be that I heard a bunch of different variables.

02:52:20.000 One of them could be that their body was broken down because they were exhausted from training so much and that their testosterone was low because they caught them in mid-camp.

02:52:29.000 That could be the case.

02:52:30.000 It could be that they were both overtrained, which is more likely than not.

02:52:35.000 But I don't know.

02:52:37.000 I don't understand those tests enough to tell you if that would cause someone to have a low testosterone to epitestosterone ratio.

02:52:37.000 See, I'm an idiot.

02:52:45.000 We would have to bring in, like, Mark Gordon.

02:52:47.000 We'd have to bring in an endocrinologist to explain...

02:52:49.000 And you'd also have to do more than one test and base it off that.

02:52:51.000 That's why I don't comment on it, man.

02:52:52.000 I don't know.

02:52:53.000 I'm not trying to tarnish those guys.

02:52:54.000 Who the fuck knows?

02:52:55.000 But I know they had a legit guy doctor read the thing.

02:52:59.000 It was like, there's no way their levels should be that low.

02:53:01.000 Yeah.

02:53:02.000 But they don't know what's going on.

02:53:03.000 Maybe DC and John's levels have always been low.

02:53:06.000 Let's crank the volume up so we can hear what Frank Mir has to say.

02:53:10.000 Huge win for Frank, man.

02:53:11.000 And not only that, but it looked fucking great, man.

02:53:11.000 Huge!

02:53:15.000 It's cool to see these guys.

02:53:16.000 Kellen, in your bodybuilding days, what was the sterile situation?

02:53:19.000 Hold on, let's hear this.

02:53:20.000 Let's hear this.

02:53:21.000 I worked on my lats mostly.

02:53:25.000 Wow.

02:53:27.000 No heavyweight is one more than him.

02:53:35.000 I could have swore Frank New English.

02:53:50.000 How about Ricky Lindell right behind you looking all angry faced?

02:53:54.000 There we go.

02:53:59.000 He switched.

02:54:05.000 Oh, that's right.

02:54:05.000 Did you notice?

02:54:06.000 I didn't even notice that.

02:54:07.000 God, I didn't either.

02:54:08.000 That was such a beautiful combination, man.

02:54:14.000 That hook only moved 3 inches too.

02:54:16.000 Beautiful.

02:54:17.000 Especially with those little gloves, right?

02:54:19.000 Big difference.

02:54:20.000 Yeah, amazing.

02:54:22.000 How much adjustment do you have to make defensively, John, when you're working with guys?

02:54:26.000 I'm sure you've trained with MMA fighters and teaching them Muay Thai.

02:54:29.000 How much of an adjustment do you have to make because they have less coverage defensively because of the smaller gloves?

02:54:36.000 Yeah, it wasn't until I started wearing them for getting ready for the fight that I really appreciated how different it is.

02:54:41.000 It was like starting Muay Thai all over again once I put the little ones on.

02:54:44.000 I thought I knew how to fight, I thought I knew how to punch, until I wore them.

02:54:47.000 I was like, holy shit, I'm not punching with my knuckles, I'm using my pinky.

02:54:50.000 Before I could close my eyes and hit the pads, no problem.

02:54:53.000 And now I can't hit the pad in the same spot twice, even when I'm fully concentrating.

02:54:57.000 It's so difficult, it's so hard.

02:54:58.000 Wow, that's interesting, man.

02:55:00.000 Yeah, and a completely different style for my hooks.

02:55:04.000 Great idea!

02:55:05.000 Great idea.

02:55:06.000 Kickboxing with MMA gloves.

02:55:08.000 In a cage.

02:55:09.000 Muay Thai, Muay Thai.

02:55:10.000 It's pretty much...

02:55:10.000 Muay Thai.

02:55:11.000 That's even better.

02:55:12.000 It's MMA but with no ground because you still got the knees, you still got the elbows, you still got the takedowns, nothing changes.

02:55:18.000 And you find guys, press guys up against the cage and blast them with elbows and knees to the body and hold them there and...

02:55:23.000 Yeah, what I found with my shows is say that I have 10 fights, majority, usually there will be seven go the distance because the guys are fighting smarter as well because they know that they can't stand in the pocket and trade anymore because the gloves are so small.

02:55:36.000 They're bringing a better A-game now.

02:55:39.000 It hurts.

02:55:41.000 I noticed that after the fight you can't touch the top of your head for about four or five days.

02:55:45.000 You can't put your sunglasses on because your head's like a golf ball.

02:55:48.000 Wow.

02:55:49.000 Fuck.

02:55:50.000 Fuck.

02:55:52.000 They're getting hit 50 to 100 times a fight.

02:55:55.000 Yeah.

02:55:56.000 Easily.

02:55:57.000 50 shots.

02:55:59.000 Remember when you described a fight that you had when you were in high school?

02:56:04.000 It was two punches.

02:56:07.000 You talked about how you landed two punches, but your friends were like, bitch, you didn't land those.

02:56:10.000 It was like two or three.

02:56:13.000 You didn't believe that shit.

02:56:15.000 But in MMA fights, they land 50 to 100 solid.

02:56:19.000 Can you imagine describing that fight to somebody?

02:56:22.000 Because you always described your fight, right?

02:56:23.000 You tried to take me down, then I punched him, and then the teacher pulled us off.

02:56:27.000 Trying to describe a fight with 50 punches to somebody?

02:56:31.000 You can't remember it.

02:56:32.000 Well, Brian does it.

02:56:33.000 You can't take him through the whole thing.

02:56:34.000 There's a lot of guys that have to watch fights after they're over just to see what happened to them.

02:56:39.000 They don't even remember what happened.

02:56:41.000 How many times have I interviewed fighters and they'll be honest, like after the second round, I have no idea what happened.

02:56:46.000 They just woke up and it was the fifth round.

02:56:49.000 That's happened so many times, man.

02:56:51.000 So many times.

02:56:52.000 Yeah, most fights, if you ask me, like, what happened in the second round?

02:56:55.000 I couldn't tell you.

02:56:55.000 Third round.

02:56:56.000 Like, croak up.

02:56:56.000 I don't remember a lot from it.

02:56:58.000 I just remember being in the zone.

02:57:00.000 What was interesting about the Travis Brown fight...

02:57:00.000 Yeah.

02:57:03.000 I was rocked when I went for a takedown, and his hip landed on my head into the octagon, and I remember watching it, and I'm like, oh, I don't remember any of this after this.

02:57:14.000 I remember, I just remember watching, like, dang!

02:57:17.000 Like, it's the first time I've ever seen it.

02:57:19.000 You were out.

02:57:20.000 My belt was messed up.

02:57:22.000 Just from his hip check.

02:57:24.000 Well, from the mat.

02:57:25.000 From the mat, yeah.

02:57:26.000 When you see a guy like George St. Pierre that was, like, the greatest of all time, and now, you know, since he didn't test positive, A lot of people are saying he's the greatest of all time.

02:57:35.000 100%.

02:57:36.000 Oh, he beats Anderson.

02:57:36.000 Anderson?

02:57:37.000 You think how it works now?

02:57:38.000 Yeah.

02:57:38.000 100%.

02:57:39.000 Well, I see that argument.

02:57:40.000 It's a very logical argument.

02:57:41.000 But when you look at the numbers of times that he was hit, we did a thing after his career was over.

02:57:47.000 It was over 800 times.

02:57:49.000 So crazy.

02:57:49.000 Just in the octagon.

02:57:50.000 Yeah.

02:57:51.000 Not training.

02:57:52.000 And not in TKO and the other organizations he fought for before he came to the UFC. And you know what a lot of it was?

02:57:58.000 The last few fights.

02:58:00.000 A lot of it.

02:58:00.000 He got hit more in his last four fights than all of his other fights.

02:58:05.000 It's amazing, man.

02:58:06.000 Let's watch this again, man.

02:58:10.000 Goddamn, Frank Mir looked good even before that.

02:58:12.000 He looked great.

02:58:12.000 Like, light on his feet.

02:58:13.000 Dude, that is beautiful.

02:58:15.000 Really helped him.

02:58:15.000 Time off, man.

02:58:16.000 Fuck yeah.

02:58:17.000 Maybe that switch in stance.

02:58:19.000 Dude, that is...

02:58:20.000 Back to orthodox.

02:58:22.000 That is tremendous right there.

02:58:23.000 Look at that.

02:58:24.000 That is beautiful technique.

02:58:26.000 He's such a smart dude, Frank Mir is.

02:58:28.000 He's an interesting character.

02:58:29.000 Have you ever heard him commentate when he did WC? He was really, really good, man.

02:58:34.000 When he said he wanted to kill Brock Lesnar, be the first guy to kill him, that's when they pulled him off of commentary.

02:58:38.000 Yeah, you're kind of going to have to.

02:58:40.000 Nobody remembers that shit anymore.

02:58:42.000 He's good.

02:58:43.000 Put him back in.

02:58:44.000 He's one of the best.

02:58:45.000 I wish he would do more of it.

02:58:47.000 He's very smart, man.

02:58:48.000 He's very articulate.

02:58:49.000 He reads a lot of books.

02:58:51.000 He's an interesting dude, that Frank Mir.

02:58:53.000 I like that.

02:58:54.000 I like when a guy takes a little time off.

02:58:56.000 Takes a deep breath, reassesses, gets back in.

02:58:59.000 Sometimes dudes run, they run on all these injuries and they just fucking keep just trying to tape this up and patch that up and stretch through this and they don't just...

02:59:10.000 Take that time to recuperate.

02:59:12.000 You know what's crazy is back when MMA first started exploring, the UFC first started exploring, people said, man, how does it feel?

02:59:19.000 The UFC is huge.

02:59:20.000 I would always say, coming from being such a big football fan, I thought, well, the UFC really isn't that huge yet until we start seeing these football-type, NFL Today-type shows, like a nightly MMA show.

02:59:35.000 We haven't seen it.

02:59:36.000 Ten years ago, we hadn't seen it.

02:59:37.000 Now, how crazy is it?

02:59:39.000 We see it all the time, like right now we're watching, and Brian stands in a suit, and Dominic Cruz is in a suit, and they're prime time nationwide on these major networks, and now they're the guys that I'm used to seeing like a LT,

02:59:55.000 you know, do that kind of stuff, or Tony Siragusa, you know what I mean?

03:00:00.000 Ex-players now transitioning into broadcasting, and you're seeing that in MMA now.

03:00:05.000 All these ex-MMA fighters, or even current ones, really, they're putting the suits on, and they're on Fox.

03:00:12.000 Yeah, it's nuts, man.

03:00:13.000 It's crazy!

03:00:14.000 Look at Brian Stan.

03:00:15.000 You're used to seeing some college basketball show right now.

03:00:18.000 Brian Stan also does football.

03:00:20.000 Does he?

03:00:21.000 Really?

03:00:22.000 He does sideline football.

03:00:23.000 Played in college for Fox?

03:00:26.000 Don't quote me on that, but he does college football.

03:00:28.000 I think he's really good.

03:00:29.000 No, he's actually really, really good.

03:00:31.000 I think he's really good.

03:00:31.000 Brian Stan is, like, natural.

03:00:34.000 He's my favorite...

03:00:37.000 Shouldn't pick a favorite of guys who do my job other than me.

03:00:41.000 He's great.

03:00:42.000 I don't want to be rude to the other guys who do it.

03:00:44.000 I'll tell you right now, Jimmy Smith's my favorite.

03:00:46.000 How about that?

03:00:47.000 He doesn't even work for the UFC. He's my favorite.

03:00:48.000 Jimmy Smith is doing boxing now for Spike.

03:00:50.000 He's fucking great.

03:00:51.000 Jimmy Smith's a bad motherfucker.

03:00:52.000 He's a cool dude, too.

03:00:54.000 A really good dude.

03:00:54.000 Is he?

03:00:55.000 Yeah.

03:00:56.000 You know, we're supposed to be like rivals or some shit.

03:00:58.000 We're good friends.

03:00:59.000 He's the nicest guy.

03:01:01.000 He's legit, loves fighting.

03:01:02.000 Me and that guy have sat down with no one around and talked fighting for hours.

03:01:06.000 He loves fighting.

03:01:07.000 Loves MMA, loves boxing.

03:01:09.000 Does he have a background?

03:01:10.000 Yeah.

03:01:11.000 He was a pro MMA fighter, fought for a while.

03:01:13.000 He beat Jason Chambers.

03:01:15.000 He healed him.

03:01:16.000 He's black belt in jiu-jitsu.

03:01:17.000 He's legit.

03:01:18.000 He was on that show, Fight Quest.

03:01:20.000 That's how I know him.

03:01:20.000 But that show is tough.

03:01:23.000 That's how I know him from the show.

03:01:24.000 He's a legit martial artist.

03:01:25.000 He's a great commentator.

03:01:27.000 Yeah, he's a good dude.

03:01:28.000 He takes a lot of heat because we're both bald and they think that he's copying me, but really, I copied him.

03:01:32.000 Really?

03:01:33.000 Yeah, I shaved my head second.

03:01:33.000 He was bald first?

03:01:35.000 He shaved his first.

03:01:35.000 See, I thought he was copying you.

03:01:37.000 I was like, easy, bro.

03:01:39.000 I get you.

03:01:40.000 I'm going to be Rogan, but easy.

03:01:41.000 No, I'm copying him.

03:01:42.000 Nah.

03:01:43.000 Nah.

03:01:44.000 He's good, man.

03:01:45.000 He never says anything like, I go, what?

03:01:47.000 This guy's crazy.

03:01:48.000 Guys will say things, and you go, um, I don't, no, I don't think that's right.

03:01:52.000 You know?

03:01:53.000 Like, there's guys that, you know, you hear them in other organizations, and you go, is this all you had?

03:01:57.000 This is the only guy that can, they don't know what's going on, man.

03:02:01.000 Guys will call kicks, you know, spitting hook kick to the leg.

03:02:05.000 Like, that was not what you just saw.

03:02:07.000 Like, you don't even know.

03:02:08.000 Like, imagine if...

03:02:09.000 A head kick to the leg...

03:02:11.000 But we got to the point now, especially with all the UFC shows, where they got professional guys and then guys that can really do the job.

03:02:18.000 Like John Anik, he's professional.

03:02:20.000 Oh, he's excellent.

03:02:21.000 But he's a sports guy.

03:02:22.000 He calls things wrong.

03:02:24.000 Those guys who don't train, I mean, I think Anik might train a little bit, but they just shouldn't call anything.

03:02:29.000 Like, technically, they shouldn't call positions, and they certainly shouldn't call transitions or potential bats, because they're going to miss some stuff.

03:02:36.000 You know why they're doing that?

03:02:38.000 They try to look down.

03:02:39.000 Some guys do it because they try to pretend that they know what they're doing.

03:02:42.000 And I don't mean John.

03:02:43.000 I mean, I'm really talking most about guys in the B-Leagues.

03:02:46.000 You know, John doesn't really do that.

03:02:47.000 But guys who do do it, it's annoying because, like, I know what you're doing.

03:02:51.000 You're just trying to let everybody know your knowledge.

03:02:53.000 Well, this is what happened.

03:02:54.000 When MMA first started, like King of the Cage, for instance, when I got thrown into the commentator spot, The producers didn't even know the difference between a play-by-play and a color guy.

03:03:06.000 Most people don't really know.

03:03:08.000 They just hear two people talking, but if you really look into it, oh, there's like a newscaster guy who's holding it all together, and then a color guy who gets asked questions and chimes in whenever.

03:03:19.000 There's a professional guy and a guy that just chimes in.

03:03:21.000 And I had to learn that the hard way, man.

03:03:24.000 And what ended up happening is, in the beginning, there wasn't professional broadcasters to fill that play-by-play spot.

03:03:29.000 So they would just take anybody, and anybody they would throw in there would do color, too.

03:03:34.000 He'd be doing play-by-play and color.

03:03:36.000 So guys like Mike Goldberg would see this and go, you know what?

03:03:39.000 These other guys are doing play-by-play and a little color.

03:03:43.000 So Mike Goldberg, you know, he's trained kickboxing, and when he sees it, you know, he calls it, right?

03:03:48.000 He calls the teep, he calls some stuff, and people get angry, but, you know.

03:03:52.000 Goldberg did NFL. Yeah.

03:03:54.000 I love Goldberg.

03:03:55.000 How dare you?

03:03:57.000 How dare you not even get through the L before you got your fucking shitty smile?

03:04:02.000 How dare you?

03:04:03.000 Why is that funny?

03:04:04.000 Because he got fired.

03:04:06.000 Like, he started arguing with people on Twitter.

03:04:09.000 People were saying, he fucked up a couple of things.

03:04:11.000 And one of them was two guys had the same name, right?

03:04:13.000 Same number, different name.

03:04:15.000 Yeah, and one guy, like, he called one receiver...

03:04:17.000 They had the same number and the same name?

03:04:20.000 No, no, no.

03:04:21.000 No, he called like a receiver for another team.

03:04:23.000 You gotta make stuff.

03:04:24.000 He called one team like the Detroit Lions when it was the Minnesota Vikings.

03:04:27.000 Wait a minute.

03:04:28.000 There was a lot of pressure, man.

03:04:29.000 I love Mike.

03:04:30.000 Was this his first NFL game?

03:04:31.000 Yes.

03:04:33.000 Mike Goldberg, the wrestler.

03:04:34.000 No, he got online.

03:04:35.000 No, Mike Goldberg, the guy I work with, the commentary.

03:04:37.000 You don't even know what we're talking about.

03:04:39.000 That's insane.

03:04:39.000 He does that all the time on your show.

03:04:41.000 He does it.

03:04:41.000 Yes.

03:04:42.000 And it's only the two of you.

03:04:43.000 I've seen it.

03:04:43.000 No, no, no.

03:04:44.000 I just...

03:04:44.000 No, you do.

03:04:45.000 Mike Goldberg, the wrestler?

03:04:46.000 He'll be talking to you about something, and you'll say something.

03:04:49.000 He'll go, no.

03:04:49.000 He'll go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:05:00.000 I think Mike Goldberg is the best play-by-play guy in MMA. Even though he throws in some Muay Thai references and all that stuff, I don't care about that shit.

03:05:09.000 I understand it.

03:05:10.000 Mike Goldberg, working with him for eight years, nobody studies and prepares like that.

03:05:15.000 He's the only guy in the UFC meetings.

03:05:18.000 He's got his laptop out and he's ready to go.

03:05:21.000 He's on top of everything.

03:05:22.000 He rehearses all night in his room.

03:05:24.000 That guy is mega, super, ultra professional.

03:05:27.000 He and I have really good chemistry too.

03:05:30.000 I really do love that dude.

03:05:31.000 We've been working together for a long time.

03:05:34.000 And he's seriously one-on-one as a friend.

03:05:38.000 That guy's one of the sweetest guys, if not the sweetest guy I've ever met.

03:05:41.000 Such a nice guy.

03:05:42.000 He's so cool to everybody.

03:05:44.000 Nice to everybody.

03:05:46.000 He's not a dick at all.

03:05:48.000 That guy's awesome.

03:05:49.000 I think he would have kept the NFL gig if he didn't get on Twitter and he was defending himself.

03:05:57.000 Well, he wasn't thinking about the impact or the reach.

03:06:00.000 You know, like you get on Twitter, you know, you're shitting on your followers that are calling you a loser.

03:06:06.000 Why don't you put on the headphones and get back there?

03:06:08.000 Maybe have a drink.

03:06:11.000 Almost.

03:06:12.000 But I've always told them, we've had these conversations about how to deal with assholes on Twitter.

03:06:16.000 I'm like, you don't deal with them.

03:06:18.000 We didn't deal with them.

03:06:19.000 Why would you deal with them?

03:06:20.000 Why would you let them enter into your life?

03:06:22.000 Exactly.

03:06:22.000 Ignore them.

03:06:23.000 Just go about your business, man.

03:06:24.000 And by the way, the ones that hurt, the sting, the ones that actually sting, they're probably telling you some shit that you could use to hear.

03:06:30.000 And you hear that and then correct your game so that it doesn't ever possibly make any sense.

03:06:36.000 So that any criticism they have that's related to what they were talking about, it's illogical.

03:06:40.000 It doesn't make any sense at all.

03:06:43.000 If someone tells me, you're doing commentary, you don't know what the fuck's going on when the fight goes to the ground, I'll go, ha, that's adorable.

03:06:52.000 I'm not going to fight with them.

03:06:54.000 A lot of them are little kids.

03:06:56.000 You don't want to acknowledge it.

03:06:57.000 If you acknowledge them, people go, ooh, Joe Rogan or Brian Callen acknowledged this negative stuff, so then more negative monsters come out.

03:07:04.000 I think we're running out of time here.

03:07:05.000 How much time we got?

03:07:06.000 That's it.

03:07:07.000 Three hours in.

03:07:07.000 It's over.

03:07:08.000 Done.

03:07:09.000 Done.

03:07:09.000 Kids.

03:07:10.000 Brandon motherfucking Sharp can be reached on Twitter.

03:07:10.000 We love you.

03:07:14.000 You can watch and listen to the fighter and the kid where he relentlessly corrects Brian Cowan all the time.

03:07:22.000 We have some fun.

03:07:23.000 Often the number one sports podcast in America because the rest of the country is filled with bullshit.

03:07:30.000 I got a song for us tomorrow.

03:07:32.000 They're capitalizing on a nice soft spot in the industry.

03:07:34.000 That's right.

03:07:37.000 And to his right, of course, the great John Wayne Parr, who will be on my podcast tomorrow at noon.

03:07:44.000 We will talk about his extensive Muay Thai career, which is unparalleled.

03:07:49.000 For real, man, you're one of the greats.

03:07:51.000 This is going to be an awesome treat.

03:07:53.000 We're going to get some training in, too.

03:07:54.000 I think Brendan Shaw wants to train with us, too.

03:07:56.000 He wants to come down and learn something.

03:07:57.000 When is that?

03:07:58.000 Tomorrow.

03:07:59.000 What are you doing, bitch?

03:08:00.000 You got some fucking shitty sitcom you have to do?

03:08:03.000 I know.

03:08:04.000 We didn't say what time.

03:08:05.000 What time you got to do Eliza?

03:08:07.000 Hey, we'll talk later.

03:08:09.000 This thing's over.

03:08:10.000 Eddie Bravo.

03:08:11.000 You can reach Eddie Bravo at EddieBravo on Twitter.

03:08:14.000 TenthPlanetJJ.com.

03:08:15.000 The new video that you showed me that was fucking unbelievably amazing.

03:08:18.000 There's a Tenth Planet commercial that Bobby Razak produced.

03:08:21.000 How could they get it?

03:08:23.000 You just go to YouTube and punch in 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu commercial 2015. We're out of time.

03:08:30.000 Completely 100% out of time.

03:08:32.000 We're over three minutes, three hours.

03:08:32.000 It's over.

03:08:34.000 Good night, everybody.

03:08:34.000 We'll see you soon.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 23, 2015

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