The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion

00:00:03.000 We're live, guys.

00:00:04.000 Oh, is it live?

00:00:05.000 Yeah.

00:00:06.000 Boom.

00:00:06.000 And we're live, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:08.000 He wanted a picture quick.

00:00:09.000 We're here with the great and powerful Jimmy Smith.

00:00:10.000 Welcome to the UFC, Jimmy Smith.

00:00:12.000 Thank you so much.

00:00:13.000 Great to be here, officially.

00:00:14.000 Official.

00:00:15.000 We wanted to talk about it last time with you on the podcast, but we had to dance around it.

00:00:19.000 You and so many people wrote me and were like, Joe, really?

00:00:23.000 I go, hey, man, Joe's a pro.

00:00:26.000 You hinted well.

00:00:27.000 We danced around it quite a bit.

00:00:28.000 Nobody totally knew.

00:00:30.000 And of course, the great and powerful Eddie Bravo.

00:00:32.000 Yo, yo, yo.

00:00:33.000 Brian Cowen's on the way, but he's bringing wine and cheese.

00:00:35.000 He insists on wine and cheese.

00:00:37.000 He thinks he's at some fucking cocktail party where they're going to compare scripts.

00:00:41.000 That's Brian.

00:00:42.000 He's got to have his wine and cheese.

00:00:44.000 Duho Choi versus Jeremy Stevens is the main event.

00:00:47.000 If you've never heard one of these podcasts before, this is a fight companion podcast, which means we're going to watch the fights.

00:00:54.000 Most likely we'll talk about the fights, but we might not.

00:00:57.000 We could talk about whatever the fuck.

00:00:59.000 Like Eddie and I, we've gone through an entire podcast, we never talked about the fight until like the last round of the main event.

00:01:06.000 But Missouri, Missouri Division of Professional...

00:01:08.000 Oh, they're in Missouri.

00:01:10.000 Is this St. Louis?

00:01:12.000 That's what it is, right?

00:01:12.000 Yeah, and they haven't adopted the ABC rules.

00:01:14.000 That's important.

00:01:15.000 For the judging, at least.

00:01:17.000 They haven't adopted those in Nevada, which is real weird.

00:01:19.000 It's crazy.

00:01:20.000 Look how good Michael Johnson looks at 45. Eddie was saying that it's racist to say that, but I don't think it is.

00:01:25.000 Look how shredded he is.

00:01:27.000 Fantastic.

00:01:29.000 Yeah, it's a good weight class for him.

00:01:30.000 Yeah.

00:01:31.000 I think, you know, just those Habib Nurmagomedovs, those giant 55s that could just grapple fuck you and beat your brains in, he had enough of that after that fight.

00:01:40.000 Monstrous.

00:01:40.000 Yeah.

00:01:40.000 He's like, that's about enough of this weight class.

00:01:43.000 When people remember how much the other guy talked to Dana White while he was beating my ass, that's bad.

00:01:49.000 That's bad.

00:01:50.000 And he's a great fighter, and that's what's so funny about it.

00:01:52.000 Well, this was supposed to be the main event on the prelims, but Uriah Hall and Vitor Belfort fell out really unfortunately, which is a fucking bummer.

00:02:04.000 Apparently Uriah Hall was on death's door trying to make weight.

00:02:07.000 But he had gotten sick, I had heard, during training.

00:02:10.000 He was having some real issues.

00:02:12.000 He said his body shut down about three weeks out.

00:02:15.000 A lot of people out here dealing with that fucking flu.

00:02:18.000 And then Robert Foles, his coach, died.

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, he was a great guy, by the way, if you ever met Robert.

00:02:24.000 He was fantastic.

00:02:25.000 But, you know, mentally he was just going through a lot of stress.

00:02:26.000 Yeah.

00:02:27.000 And that'll kill your cut, too.

00:02:28.000 Yeah, Robert killed himself.

00:02:30.000 Yeah.

00:02:30.000 And so did his brother.

00:02:32.000 Such a bummer.

00:02:34.000 That guy's a nice fucking guy.

00:02:36.000 Loved him.

00:02:36.000 He was such a good dude.

00:02:38.000 Such a bummer, man.

00:02:39.000 Yeah.

00:02:40.000 Yeah.

00:02:40.000 So instead, this fight, which was gonna be on the prelims, I'm excited about this fight though, because Darren Elkins is some sort of a different kind of human.

00:02:50.000 That guy takes fucking punishment like nobody.

00:02:52.000 Eddie Bravo looking for marijuana?

00:02:54.000 No.

00:02:54.000 We have plenty of that.

00:02:55.000 No.

00:02:55.000 It's okay.

00:02:57.000 This is a free world.

00:02:59.000 We live in California.

00:03:00.000 I don't drink anymore.

00:03:02.000 At all?

00:03:02.000 Nope.

00:03:03.000 No more drinking.

00:03:04.000 Wow.

00:03:04.000 No more caffeine.

00:03:05.000 I'm on intermittent fasting.

00:03:08.000 You look good, dude.

00:03:09.000 Your face looks good.

00:03:10.000 You look slim.

00:03:11.000 But I'm not giving this away.

00:03:12.000 Yeah, don't give that away.

00:03:13.000 I mean, giving it up.

00:03:14.000 Sorry.

00:03:15.000 Giving it up.

00:03:15.000 Don't give it up.

00:03:16.000 Don't give it away.

00:03:17.000 So, how long has it been since the booze?

00:03:25.000 I decided initially that I would only allow myself to drink like if I did a set somewhere or if I did, you know, at the 10th Planet holiday party I allowed myself to drink.

00:03:36.000 But that was the last time.

00:03:37.000 It's been about a month and a half since I've had a drink.

00:03:42.000 Interesting.

00:03:43.000 How do you feel?

00:03:43.000 I feel great.

00:03:44.000 You like it?

00:03:44.000 I don't need alcohol.

00:03:45.000 No, you don't need alcohol.

00:03:47.000 It just gets you in trouble.

00:03:49.000 Makes you say some shit.

00:03:50.000 No more Indian.

00:03:51.000 No more Indian.

00:03:52.000 The Indian's out.

00:03:53.000 Now you're smoking the peace pipe.

00:03:54.000 Yeah.

00:03:55.000 Yeah.

00:03:55.000 No more Indians.

00:03:57.000 Jimmy Smith, you smoked the reefer?

00:03:58.000 Every now and then.

00:03:59.000 It's been a long time.

00:04:00.000 You know what's funny?

00:04:01.000 I just probably have a little puff just to celebrate.

00:04:02.000 Yeah, just celebrate.

00:04:03.000 But the thing to me is a little known personal fact.

00:04:08.000 I've never had a drink in my life.

00:04:09.000 Ever?

00:04:10.000 Ever in my life.

00:04:10.000 Wow.

00:04:11.000 That's incredible.

00:04:11.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:04:12.000 That's amazing.

00:04:13.000 Yeah, most people don't know that.

00:04:13.000 So what the fuck do you blame your fuck-ups on?

00:04:17.000 Nothing.

00:04:17.000 I have no excuses for my behavior.

00:04:19.000 That's terrible.

00:04:20.000 None.

00:04:20.000 Well, you know, you've been hitting the head again.

00:04:21.000 I have been hitting the head.

00:04:23.000 Yeah, that's a good excuse.

00:04:23.000 More than once, yeah.

00:04:26.000 Speaking of hitting the head, the world title, Steve Bae and Francis, they're showing the preview for it right now, good fucking googly moogly.

00:04:36.000 I've never been more excited for a heavyweight title fight, ever.

00:04:40.000 That's a freak.

00:04:41.000 Oh, he's the freakiest of the freakiest.

00:04:43.000 He's a one in a million athlete.

00:04:45.000 Like, if you think there's 320 million people in this country, how many Nganus are there?

00:04:51.000 If there's 300, I'd be fucking stunned.

00:04:54.000 I don't even think he's...

00:04:55.000 I think it's more than one in a million.

00:04:57.000 Like a guy who's built like that?

00:04:59.000 Don't you think there's...

00:05:00.000 He's been training three years or something?

00:05:02.000 There's probably a whole shitload in Africa.

00:05:04.000 Five years, five years total.

00:05:05.000 Was homeless five years ago.

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:07.000 That's crazy.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, crazy.

00:05:09.000 Dude, worked in a sand mine as a kid.

00:05:12.000 Like a goddamn character in a Robert E. Howard comic book.

00:05:15.000 Like digging sand as a kid.

00:05:17.000 He wrote Conan, by the way, guys.

00:05:20.000 You're not a comic book dork.

00:05:21.000 Just growing with his anger.

00:05:23.000 Pushing that thing.

00:05:24.000 Strength.

00:05:25.000 Schwarzenegger pushing the log, the wheel forever, the grinder.

00:05:28.000 I mean, what better workout is there for a young guy who wants to beat the fuck out of people than digging sand all day?

00:05:35.000 Just carrying sand.

00:05:36.000 All back and legs and arms.

00:05:39.000 I mean, think about how much strength is required to just fucking dig sand all the time.

00:05:43.000 There's places that are called sandbox workouts or something like that.

00:05:47.000 Have you heard about those?

00:05:48.000 Well, you dig sand.

00:05:49.000 Maybe they start doing that.

00:05:51.000 Maybe Ngannou opens up a chain of sand training or something.

00:05:55.000 But we were just talking about it before we got on headset.

00:05:59.000 Guys who are comfortable, who have money, who have another career, who have a fallback, it's hard to be 100% committed.

00:06:04.000 This dude was digging sand homeless.

00:06:06.000 You're never more committed to winning.

00:06:08.000 If I don't win, I don't eat, man.

00:06:10.000 And that motivation is the strongest, most powerful thing in the world when it comes to fighting.

00:06:14.000 The crazy thing about that dude is he has so much to learn still.

00:06:18.000 Five years of MMA training.

00:06:20.000 I mean, his ground game is very rudimentary.

00:06:23.000 He's just trying to stuff takedowns.

00:06:25.000 He's freakish strong.

00:06:27.000 He's got real good training.

00:06:29.000 He's at the UFC Performance Institute, so he's training with real good guys on a daily basis.

00:06:34.000 Man, I mean, a lot to grow.

00:06:37.000 I was told he's there all the time.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, he lives there practically.

00:06:39.000 Look how shredded Michael Johnson is.

00:06:41.000 Jesus Christ!

00:06:42.000 He's fucking shredded at 45. And Ghanu fought Fabrice Wardun?

00:06:46.000 No.

00:06:47.000 He fought Arlovsky, and then he knocked out Overeem, and then they said, you got it!

00:06:51.000 You got the title shot.

00:06:52.000 When he put Overeem in orbit, everybody was like, okay, this is the only fight anybody wants to see.

00:06:57.000 That's awesome.

00:06:58.000 I mean, who the fuck?

00:06:59.000 And what a story!

00:07:00.000 And Stipe's run has cleared out a lot of guys.

00:07:02.000 It's just that, you know, you need that fresh face.

00:07:05.000 You need that knockout guy.

00:07:05.000 And then Stipe's chasing history.

00:07:07.000 Those things come together right at the right time.

00:07:09.000 Isn't the crazy thing that history is only two title defenses?

00:07:11.000 It's nuts.

00:07:12.000 The entire history of the UFC's heavyweight division, it's only been defended twice.

00:07:16.000 No one's ever done it three times.

00:07:18.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:07:18.000 And it's the first title.

00:07:20.000 Yeah.

00:07:20.000 First title was heavyweight.

00:07:21.000 Yeah.

00:07:21.000 Think about that.

00:07:21.000 That's right.

00:07:22.000 That's crazy.

00:07:23.000 That is crazy.

00:07:24.000 Yeah.

00:07:24.000 Michael Johnson shredded.

00:07:26.000 He's got a fucking 36-pack.

00:07:28.000 There's a lot of jealousy in your face.

00:07:30.000 Can they see your face right now?

00:07:32.000 No, not jealousy.

00:07:32.000 It's admiration.

00:07:34.000 Well, admiration and maybe a bit of want.

00:07:38.000 I want to have abs like that.

00:07:40.000 But I wouldn't say jealousy.

00:07:42.000 I'm happy that he made the drop because I always felt like he was a little soft at 55. I always felt like he should have looked like this.

00:07:49.000 You know, I mean, this dude's lean as fuck.

00:07:52.000 And he hits so hard and he's so fast.

00:07:54.000 I think at 45 he's going to be a monster.

00:07:56.000 I think this is a big move for him.

00:08:08.000 Michael Johnson's a bad motherfucker.

00:08:12.000 The problem when you get in there with a guy like Nurmagomedov and he beats your ass that bad, you're like, well, how the fuck am I ever going to beat this guy?

00:08:20.000 Yeah.

00:08:21.000 It'll move you.

00:08:22.000 Yeah.

00:08:23.000 Every major move, most major moves in MMA are due to a beatdown.

00:08:28.000 They're due to usually getting manhandled by somebody who's natural at that weight class or big for that weight class.

00:08:33.000 Or if it's not a move that way, it's a move to a new camp.

00:08:36.000 It's like, I got to train for a hobby or go to Matt Hume or go to one of the Wizards.

00:08:41.000 Someone who's gonna revamp my shit.

00:08:45.000 You see a lot of that, you know?

00:08:47.000 But it's oftentimes too late.

00:08:49.000 It's such a crazy fucking sport because while you're training for a fight, you kind of have to be training for the fight.

00:08:57.000 You can't really take too many chances and learn too much new shit.

00:09:00.000 When you talk to trainers, old school guys, that's one of the things they say about Mike Tyson is he fought so much, he didn't develop enough.

00:09:07.000 He just wasn't in the gym that much.

00:09:09.000 He was fighting twice a month in his prime when he was younger.

00:09:12.000 So here we go, 452, 51, 450, 449 of the first round if you're trying to sync it up.

00:09:17.000 Michael Johnson and Darren Elkins.

00:09:20.000 And Darren Elkins, here's a guy who made a big move when he went to alpha male.

00:09:23.000 It's made a huge impact on him.

00:09:25.000 He looks way more polished, way smoother the way he moves.

00:09:29.000 You really saw that in the Mursad-Bektik fight.

00:09:33.000 That was a crazy fight because that was a fight where he was way underdog, like by a big margin for a good reason.

00:09:41.000 Bektik always getting hurt.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, he's getting tagged.

00:09:46.000 Let's see if Michael Johnson Goes after him before he stays patient.

00:09:51.000 I always think, whenever I see a guy at 35-45 from alpha male, I always think, when they call them and go, well, we need a guy at 45, for you to get that call, you've got to be beastly, because they have a lot of those guys.

00:10:01.000 I mean, that's their whole team.

00:10:03.000 Oh, oh, Michael Johnson just tagged with the left.

00:10:05.000 He's fast, man.

00:10:07.000 At 45, very fast.

00:10:09.000 And he's rangy.

00:10:10.000 He's getting good extension on his punches.

00:10:12.000 Yeah, and at 45, he's going to be enjoying that even more.

00:10:16.000 A good height reach advantage.

00:10:18.000 He just looks perfectly built for the weight class.

00:10:21.000 And he has the speed.

00:10:22.000 A lot of people don't realize when you drop a weight class, those guys are a hell of a lot faster.

00:10:26.000 And he has the speed to keep up with those guys.

00:10:28.000 A lot of them don't.

00:10:29.000 Yeah.

00:10:31.000 And I think he's probably going to be even faster at 45. Oh.

00:10:36.000 He dang it with that left hand.

00:10:38.000 Leg went out on him.

00:10:40.000 Oh.

00:10:43.000 This is a good fight already.

00:10:45.000 Oh, he tagged him again.

00:10:46.000 Elkins hasn't really figured it out.

00:10:48.000 He's waiting on him.

00:10:50.000 Well, he's just a step slower for sure.

00:10:53.000 And just not nearly as smooth a striker.

00:10:55.000 Elkins relies on his ability to take tremendous punishment in his heart and his endurance where he just never stops at this pace.

00:11:03.000 And if you start to slip...

00:11:04.000 Ooh, sweet left hand.

00:11:06.000 Ooh.

00:11:07.000 Problem is that's a tough thing to rely on in this business, the way MMA is now.

00:11:11.000 Oh, I'm a tough guy.

00:11:12.000 Well...

00:11:12.000 Welcome to the club.

00:11:13.000 Yeah.

00:11:14.000 There's like 500 tough guys in the UFC. It's tough.

00:11:18.000 Shit, we got tough girls.

00:11:20.000 Yeah, unbelievable.

00:11:21.000 Fucking Holly Holm.

00:11:22.000 How about that fight?

00:11:24.000 Wow.

00:11:24.000 The amount of punishment that she took against Cyborg.

00:11:26.000 Crazy.

00:11:27.000 She kept getting cracked.

00:11:33.000 So, Eddie Bravo, that's it for now, for alcohol.

00:11:36.000 That's it.

00:11:37.000 That's it.

00:11:38.000 I think that's a good move, man.

00:11:41.000 I'm happy for you.

00:11:42.000 Thank you.

00:11:43.000 It was doing nothing for me.

00:11:44.000 What prompted it?

00:11:45.000 If you don't mind me asking, was there something that prompted it?

00:11:47.000 No.

00:11:49.000 I just found myself going every night, same thing.

00:11:53.000 I get home after training, and I'll have...

00:12:07.000 We're good to go.

00:12:14.000 Man, I'm turning into an alcoholic over here.

00:12:16.000 What's going on?

00:12:17.000 I was drinking because I was bored.

00:12:20.000 So I thought, too old for that shit, man.

00:12:25.000 It's just bad for your body, man.

00:12:27.000 There's no need for it.

00:12:29.000 I like a glass of wine with a meal, but every time I've gotten drunk, the next day I've just been disappointed with myself.

00:12:37.000 Oh, shit!

00:12:38.000 Brian Callens here, ladies and gentlemen.

00:12:40.000 With wine and cheese, like some sort of a party.

00:12:43.000 Hey, how you doing, man?

00:12:43.000 You know Jimmy?

00:12:45.000 Jimmy Smith just met Brian Callens for the first time.

00:12:49.000 La la la.

00:12:50.000 Do we need a wine bottle opener here?

00:12:52.000 Oh, Eddie doesn't drink anymore.

00:12:53.000 And I don't drink either.

00:12:54.000 It's only half.

00:12:56.000 This side of the table doesn't drink.

00:12:58.000 We're just going to watch you get hammered.

00:12:59.000 Never have.

00:13:00.000 I can't handle red wine anymore.

00:13:01.000 I'm getting older, but I got some good red wine.

00:13:02.000 Jesus Christ.

00:13:03.000 Everybody's complaining about getting older and not being able to handle booze.

00:13:06.000 We're watching Darren Elkins and Michael Johnson here.

00:13:09.000 It's in the first round, and so far Michael Johnson's looks smooth as butter.

00:13:13.000 Dude, real nice.

00:13:14.000 Bam, that left hand's finding a home.

00:13:17.000 Elkins is taking on the chin, though.

00:13:19.000 Elkins still in it.

00:13:20.000 Now, once again, this is one of those maybe ABC, it's 10-8.

00:13:24.000 Non-ABC would probably go 10-9.

00:13:26.000 They haven't adopted new rules.

00:13:27.000 Do you think that would be 10-8, though?

00:13:29.000 No, but it could be.

00:13:30.000 I'm not saying it is.

00:13:32.000 I'm saying with the new rules, they're just a lot more common.

00:13:35.000 I think the actual rule, and please, someone out there, correct me if I'm wrong, if someone clearly, if they win two aspects of the fight, Ooh, he just hit him with another left hand.

00:13:44.000 And he's certainly landing the significant strikes.

00:13:47.000 And he's the aggressor.

00:13:48.000 He certainly has a clear advantage, and I would like to see rounds like that.

00:13:53.000 But, Jimmy, I think we need a better score system.

00:13:55.000 I think the 10-point system from boxing is goofy.

00:13:58.000 I just don't think we need it.

00:14:00.000 I think we need, like, a 100-point score system that takes into account submission attempts, takedown attempts, defense, takes into account leg kicks, knees, elbows, punches, all those things quantified.

00:14:12.000 The impact of those techniques, how hard they're hitting, how close the choke is, how close the arm bar is, how good the defense is.

00:14:19.000 You know, like, all those things should be taken into consideration, and I think we should have more than three judges.

00:14:24.000 I think having three judges is fucking foolishness.

00:14:26.000 Why three people?

00:14:28.000 I think you have way more of a likelihood of having some bullshit decision if there's only three people.

00:14:33.000 I think if you have 20 experts, or people online...

00:14:37.000 A little cheese?

00:14:38.000 A little cheese, buddy.

00:14:39.000 Keep talking, I'm listening.

00:14:40.000 20 experts, maybe, you know?

00:14:42.000 Maybe even open it up to people online, like have a select few people.

00:14:47.000 Wisdom with the crowd.

00:14:47.000 Yeah, people that you really respect.

00:14:49.000 How about knockout only, MMA? A lot of people die.

00:14:54.000 How long do you want the fights to go?

00:14:56.000 No points, no judges.

00:14:59.000 And if it goes the distance and they're still not a knockout, they get to cold cock each other back and forth until someone gets back.

00:15:06.000 Eddie Bravo wants us to go back to ancient Rome, basically.

00:15:09.000 Cold cock.

00:15:10.000 Like a soccer match.

00:15:12.000 I always felt soccer was crazy, that free kick at the end.

00:15:14.000 I'm like, this is nuts!

00:15:16.000 You worked so hard to get to a position.

00:15:18.000 Dude, how cool would that be, knockout only?

00:15:19.000 Come on.

00:15:19.000 That would be so ridiculous.

00:15:20.000 You'd watch it, wouldn't you?

00:15:21.000 Yeah, I would watch it.

00:15:22.000 Have you seen that game in Afghanistan where they're on horseback on teams, and they essentially have a goat, a dead goat, and they play with whips, and the side that can get the goat into the goal is the winner?

00:15:37.000 Oh, Elton gets a takedown.

00:15:38.000 The horses die in that game.

00:15:40.000 Oh!

00:15:41.000 And goats, I'm sure.

00:15:43.000 Plenty of goats.

00:15:43.000 The goat is well dead.

00:15:44.000 Wow.

00:15:45.000 Elkins with the takedown here.

00:15:47.000 This changes things.

00:15:48.000 We're going back to this goat thing.

00:15:50.000 By the way, we're going back.

00:15:51.000 I know this is the exciting part of the game.

00:15:54.000 I thought it was Darren Till at first.

00:15:56.000 Oh, Hammerfist by Elkins here.

00:15:59.000 Yeah, he does kind of look like Till.

00:16:00.000 Who, Elkins does?

00:16:02.000 Elkins has fought in the UFC forever, and you're going to compare him to Till?

00:16:05.000 Till just got here.

00:16:06.000 I'm going to say his face.

00:16:07.000 How dare you?

00:16:09.000 I don't know.

00:16:10.000 I'm kind of crazy like that.

00:16:11.000 They need to get Darren Till a fucking fight.

00:16:14.000 Jesus Christ.

00:16:15.000 He's scary.

00:16:16.000 He is scary, man.

00:16:17.000 I want to be scary.

00:16:17.000 I was just watching the Cowboy fight.

00:16:18.000 I was just watching it.

00:16:19.000 Whoa!

00:16:20.000 Do you know Vinny?

00:16:21.000 Vinny Shorman?

00:16:22.000 I had to study a lot this week.

00:16:23.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:16:24.000 Because, like, you know, I watch UFC all the time, but there's a huge difference between watching fights and studying fights, and I have been studying.

00:16:30.000 That's what I was supposed to do basically all night tonight, but I'm here.

00:16:32.000 Dude, I was thinking that when I knew that you got the gig, because I was like, like, if I had to call Bellator, I'd be fucked.

00:16:39.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 Like, I just, there's too many people.

00:16:42.000 I don't know who the fuck they are.

00:16:43.000 Yeah, exactly, yeah.

00:16:44.000 Yeah.

00:16:45.000 Jimmy, you want a little manchego cheese?

00:16:46.000 I would love some cheese.

00:16:47.000 That's fantastic.

00:16:48.000 He'll eat cheese when you won't drink your fucking dirty wine.

00:16:50.000 I don't drink, but I'll have cheese.

00:16:51.000 Well, the kid looks like he's in shape, I'll tell you that much.

00:16:53.000 Which one?

00:16:54.000 Elkins or...?

00:16:54.000 No, I'm talking about Jimmy here.

00:16:55.000 He's got some arms on him.

00:16:56.000 Oh, Jimmy's in shape.

00:16:56.000 Kid's got some arms on him.

00:16:58.000 He's a jujitsu black belt, my friend, for real.

00:17:01.000 Yeah, I went back to training this week for the first time.

00:17:05.000 Crucifix.

00:17:06.000 Look at this.

00:17:07.000 Mounted crucifix for Elkinson.

00:17:08.000 Oh.

00:17:10.000 Look at this!

00:17:11.000 Elkins gets the back!

00:17:12.000 Three minutes to go!

00:17:14.000 Oh shit!

00:17:15.000 Oh shit!

00:17:16.000 Imagine if Elkins spoils the big 145 pound party from Michael Johnson.

00:17:21.000 Would not be the first time.

00:17:23.000 It would not be the first time.

00:17:24.000 You can't fucking sleep on this guy.

00:17:26.000 He's such an animal.

00:17:27.000 He has a better body, though.

00:17:29.000 Oh!

00:17:30.000 Oh, damn it.

00:17:31.000 Oh, shit!

00:17:32.000 Oh, he's under the chin!

00:17:34.000 How'd that happen?

00:17:35.000 Oh, shit!

00:17:36.000 He's gonna go to sleep!

00:17:37.000 He tapped!

00:17:38.000 Oh!

00:17:40.000 Wow.

00:17:40.000 Oh, Darren Elkins is a fucking savage!

00:17:44.000 Goddamn, that dude's a savage!

00:17:45.000 Took the punches and came back, man.

00:17:47.000 Holy shit!

00:17:49.000 Holy shit!

00:17:51.000 Darren Elkins is a fucking savage!

00:17:57.000 Woo!

00:17:58.000 He got teed off on in the first round.

00:18:00.000 Goddamn, I want to come back!

00:18:02.000 Yeah, Brian, you missed the teed off part that makes this finish so extraordinary.

00:18:08.000 It's just you can't count this guy out.

00:18:11.000 He's just such a fucking mutant.

00:18:15.000 He's such an animal.

00:18:16.000 Look at this.

00:18:17.000 Takes the back.

00:18:18.000 I was like, oh, I didn't want to get too excited.

00:18:21.000 I was like, yeah, he got his back, but I don't want to get too excited here.

00:18:26.000 Is this going to get crazy?

00:18:27.000 That was a high-level move because some people would have jumped on the back and kind of just volunteered to be a backpack.

00:18:35.000 Yeah.

00:18:36.000 But he pulled them back.

00:18:37.000 That's a high-level move right there.

00:18:39.000 What do you mean he pulled them back?

00:18:40.000 He didn't jump on them.

00:18:41.000 He pulled them back.

00:18:42.000 He pulled them into his hips.

00:18:43.000 Wow.

00:18:44.000 Yeah.

00:18:44.000 Because if you jump on him, you're too high.

00:18:48.000 Sometimes people, they feel when they jump on the back, they want to be on the back but on top, and they're trying to force being on the back on top, but it's way easier just to pull them back, and you're on their back, but you're on your back as well.

00:19:03.000 Some people feel uncomfortable there because if they spin, now they're on your guard.

00:19:07.000 But if you have a high-level rear naked choke, You just take the easy route, pull him back, and just finish him off your back.

00:19:14.000 That's a very hard thing to defend against, because I see a lot of guys who can defend for a long time.

00:19:17.000 Look at the hips.

00:19:18.000 If they show it again, he had his hips all the way in, and what happens is that stretches your core out.

00:19:24.000 It's exhausting.

00:19:25.000 It's exhausting, but you also can't curl up and protect your neck.

00:19:28.000 And he had the body triangle on the wrong side.

00:19:30.000 He had the body triangle on the bottom.

00:19:31.000 He still squoze his shit out.

00:19:32.000 You can hold it.

00:19:32.000 You can keep it.

00:19:33.000 It works.

00:19:34.000 Some people don't need to switch it.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:36.000 Some people can really hold that thing.

00:19:38.000 Well, I think for him, it was just like he had it.

00:19:40.000 He's arching his back.

00:19:42.000 He had it locked in.

00:19:43.000 He wasn't going to give up that spot and try to switch legs.

00:19:46.000 Fuck, that's amazing.

00:19:47.000 Guys are getting really good at spinning inside of body triangles.

00:19:51.000 There's technique to that.

00:19:53.000 Really?

00:19:54.000 Yep.

00:19:55.000 Yep.

00:19:55.000 What do you do?

00:19:59.000 If you can get their choking arm on the other side, like in a baseball grip, like I got your left arm on this side, like that.

00:20:05.000 And which side is the body triangle on?

00:20:07.000 It doesn't matter.

00:20:08.000 Now you just got to really focus on putting your shoulders on the mat and you're controlling his arm.

00:20:13.000 Okay.

00:20:13.000 And then you slowly, inch by inch, you turn your hips and you're losing and the guy still has the body triangle on, but inch by inch, you're holding the wrist and you're turning around, boom, and then one big explosion and you're in the garden.

00:20:26.000 So holding the two-on-one on the arm, the choking arm is big.

00:20:31.000 Yes.

00:20:32.000 That's huge.

00:20:33.000 That's huge.

00:20:34.000 Otherwise, he's going to be all over your neck.

00:20:36.000 When you do that, you freeze him.

00:20:38.000 You had to know that somebody was going to come up with a technique to beat that or to try to mitigate that.

00:20:43.000 Well, the technique really is not letting it happen in the first place.

00:20:48.000 Because in the very beginning of 10th Planet, right away, I was so into body triangles and doing D-Savs.

00:20:56.000 D-Sav?

00:20:58.000 What's that?

00:20:58.000 It's just a neck crank.

00:21:00.000 Okay.

00:21:01.000 Dance ever.

00:21:01.000 Yeah.

00:21:03.000 You call them D-sabs.

00:21:04.000 You call them D-sabs.

00:21:05.000 But any time I would put on a body triangle, I wouldn't even think about a rear naked choke anymore.

00:21:11.000 I'm like, that's too hard.

00:21:12.000 I'm just going to get on my side, put you on your side, and just connect my hands around your head somehow.

00:21:18.000 Anyway, and then I fall forward and I crush.

00:21:21.000 It's a D-sab.

00:21:22.000 Old move.

00:21:24.000 Remember Beast?

00:21:25.000 Yes.

00:21:26.000 Yes.

00:21:26.000 Beast never rear-naked choked anybody.

00:21:28.000 He'd always get to the back, put a body triangle on, and go de-sav on them.

00:21:32.000 He didn't even know how to do a rear-naked choke.

00:21:34.000 He had gaping holes in his game.

00:21:37.000 Anyways, what ended up happening was...

00:21:42.000 We were all about body triangles in the beginning, and they were so dangerous.

00:21:46.000 Like, if someone put a body triangle on me, I know I'm done.

00:21:50.000 If all you think about is a neck crank instead of the rear naked choke, you just focus on the D-sav, you don't need a rear naked choke.

00:21:58.000 It's done-ski.

00:21:59.000 So, in the very beginning, the first defensive move When someone takes your back, it was always, don't let them put the goddamn body triangle on.

00:22:10.000 That was the first move.

00:22:11.000 That's everybody's first move.

00:22:13.000 If he's got your back, don't let him get the hooks.

00:22:16.000 If he has one hook, don't let him get two hooks.

00:22:18.000 If he puts both hooks, you better not let him put a body triangle in.

00:22:22.000 But you're also having to protect against your neck.

00:22:25.000 Of course, but there's things you do.

00:22:27.000 What you end up doing is as soon as someone takes your back, you put him in a reverse quarter guard.

00:22:33.000 You trap one of his legs and you escape from that.

00:22:37.000 That way there's no body triangle ever going to happen.

00:22:39.000 So if that is your first move, it's in your DNA where someone takes your back and you take his leg out the mix because you're already worried about that body triangle, then the body triangles become very hard to get.

00:22:52.000 Really, really hard to get.

00:22:53.000 When the guy whose back has been taken, if that is his focus on stopping that, it's very hard to put it in.

00:23:00.000 So what ended up happening for 10th Planet is we went away from the body triangles because I saw that, damn, I'm not going to focus all this time on the de-seves when most of the time we're not even getting the body triangles.

00:23:11.000 So we've got to focus on rear naked chokes with just the leg hooks in, just like Marcelo Garcia.

00:23:16.000 So we shifted away from the body triangle, and I wanted everyone to focus on just good old-fashioned, traditional rear naked choke with Get both hooks in.

00:23:24.000 And get really good from there.

00:23:26.000 And the body triangle and the D set, that's like extra.

00:23:28.000 Don't rely on it.

00:23:29.000 But what ended up happening is everyone's first defensive move, it wasn't, Attack one of his legs and put it in reverse quarter guard.

00:23:42.000 We went away from that because the necessity wasn't there anymore.

00:23:46.000 Do you follow me?

00:23:47.000 Am I losing you?

00:23:48.000 No, I understand what you're saying.

00:23:49.000 It just shows how complex jujitsu is.

00:23:51.000 And you're constantly having to make these adjustments.

00:23:53.000 And now we're going back.

00:23:55.000 Now we're going way back because VBI overtime, where we start guys on their back in our shootout overtime rounds.

00:24:02.000 The game has grown so much just from getting good at those rounds, just spending a lot of time at dissecting the offense, the armbar position, and the rear naked choke.

00:24:12.000 Have you considered any other positions that you would allow people to do other than those two?

00:24:16.000 Those two are good.

00:24:17.000 Yeah.

00:24:18.000 People will suggest, why don't you have a mount one?

00:24:22.000 Just nice and super crazy basic, something that everyone could agree on.

00:24:27.000 If you're going to have a shootout in jiu-jitsu, it's got to be a rear naked choke or arm bar.

00:24:32.000 That's it.

00:24:34.000 In other words, you start there?

00:24:36.000 In overtime, you start from...

00:24:40.000 Do you know what spiderweb is?

00:24:41.000 You get a guy in side control, and you hook one of the arms, and he's defending.

00:24:46.000 Okay, so you're not in an arm bar, but you've got...

00:24:47.000 The guy's defending it, but you have the arm bar, and you start from there.

00:24:51.000 He's got his defense.

00:24:52.000 It's just not extended.

00:24:53.000 You've got one of them hooked.

00:24:55.000 And the back is we start with a seatbelt in with two leg hooks, and you're sitting on your butt, and we start right there.

00:24:59.000 We go, ready, go!

00:25:01.000 Have you seen combat jiu-jitsu?

00:25:02.000 No.

00:25:03.000 Dude, Eddie Bravo came up with the greatest idea of all time.

00:25:06.000 Combat Jiu-Jitsu.

00:25:07.000 It's regular Jiu-Jitsu, but you get to smack the shit out of each other.

00:25:10.000 So they're open palms striking each other in the face.

00:25:12.000 It's similar, but it's only on the ground.

00:25:14.000 It's only when it goes to the ground.

00:25:16.000 So on the ground, well, Wagner Rocha, right?

00:25:20.000 Wagner Rocha.

00:25:21.000 He was the first guy to stop a guy that way.

00:25:23.000 TKO and Jiu-Jitsu.

00:25:25.000 And he's using his palms like Boss Rootin used to in Pancrase.

00:25:28.000 Just fucking dropping him down, slamming him home.

00:25:31.000 Wow.

00:25:31.000 Yeah, and it opens up.

00:25:33.000 It makes jiu-jitsu more realistic because there are certain positions that you're so exposed.

00:25:38.000 If the guy smacks you in the head and smacks you in the nose and smacks you in the eyes, you're just not going to stay in that spot.

00:25:43.000 There's got to be guys that are training smacks.

00:25:46.000 They're going to get really good at it.

00:25:47.000 Guys are going to be able to take guys out with smacks.

00:25:50.000 99.9% of the guys that are down for combat jiu-jitsu, I've got a long list of people.

00:25:55.000 All of them have MMA experience.

00:25:58.000 Only one guy, only one guy, Ben Eddy, one of my brown belts, he's the only dude who never even thought of MMA, never even thought of it, and he wanted to do it because his guard is probably top three in the world.

00:26:14.000 I've never seen any.

00:26:15.000 We talked about him last podcast, that guy, with the Hindulo team, Ben Eddy.

00:26:19.000 So he's the only one, and he went against Wilson Hayes, who had, in combat jiu-jitsu, he's automatically ranked number one.

00:26:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:29.000 Legit black belt.

00:26:30.000 Just fought Demetrius Johnson, possibly the greatest fighter ever.

00:26:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:37.000 He was in combat jiu-jitsu.

00:26:40.000 It's such a good idea, though, because I watched the EBI in Austin.

00:26:44.000 I was one of the color guys.

00:26:45.000 It was fun.

00:26:46.000 And I didn't know what I was looking at as much, obviously, because I don't know enough about it.

00:26:49.000 That was on an invitation.

00:26:51.000 It was so incredible because I watched those guys, and I'm telling you from my untrained eye, I couldn't even see when they were tapping the dudes.

00:26:57.000 Like, they were doing things that didn't...

00:26:59.000 It looked like he was doing nothing.

00:27:00.000 And I was like, what happened?

00:27:02.000 What did he get him on?

00:27:03.000 What did he tap him on?

00:27:04.000 I couldn't figure it out.

00:27:06.000 But the one thing I noticed is that pure jiu-jitsu practitioners, those competition guys who are amazing, that can do things, they...

00:27:14.000 Because there's zero striking, it's true that you get in very bad habits if you ever try to get into an MMA fight.

00:27:20.000 Well, you see that a lot of times.

00:27:22.000 You used to see that more often with leg locks, right?

00:27:25.000 Guys would go for leg locks and they'd be in a weird position and they'd get smashed.

00:27:30.000 Old school Ian Freeman and Frank Mir, remember that?

00:27:33.000 That was like one of the first times that happened.

00:27:35.000 Tim Sylvia Cafe Dantes.

00:27:36.000 That was another one.

00:27:38.000 So you went deeper.

00:27:40.000 Are you talking about leg locks and getting beat up?

00:27:42.000 I don't know who's deeper.

00:27:43.000 Which one is deeper there?

00:27:45.000 It might be the same historical genre.

00:27:47.000 Same historical genre, but it was a less popular fight.

00:27:50.000 Much less popular.

00:27:51.000 I love cafe.

00:27:52.000 So leg locks are not used as much because you can get punched in the face?

00:27:58.000 You're almost always giving up position to get a leg lock.

00:28:00.000 You're almost always sitting back to get a leg lock.

00:28:03.000 So I can sit up And punch your head through the ground.

00:28:05.000 Always be careful.

00:28:07.000 You're committing your legs and two arms usually to a leg.

00:28:11.000 Can't defend yourself.

00:28:12.000 And then guys are just punching you in the face while you're doing that.

00:28:14.000 In the Ian Friedman fight, Ian Friedman was locked up in a heel hook and Frank Muir was cranking on his heel and Ian just steps in and just starts...

00:28:23.000 We're clanging him off his jaw.

00:28:25.000 Joaquin Hanson, Romino Sato.

00:28:27.000 That's a great one, too.

00:28:28.000 That might be one of the better ones.

00:28:30.000 That was an amazing one.

00:28:32.000 Holy shit.

00:28:33.000 Yeah, there's been a gang of those where guys were...

00:28:36.000 Overcommitted.

00:28:37.000 And we had to learn.

00:28:38.000 They're risky.

00:28:39.000 They're risky.

00:28:40.000 But...

00:28:41.000 The state of the leg lock game these days is way different than those guys that were trying to pull off leg locks back then.

00:28:49.000 So much faster, man.

00:28:50.000 Even Romina Sato, even that level, he was considered one of the best leg lockers back then.

00:28:55.000 But the level today in leg locks is way beyond that.

00:28:59.000 Yeah.

00:29:00.000 It's way beyond it.

00:29:01.000 What the guys at DDS have done, I mean, they've taken the leg lock game.

00:29:05.000 I mean, it's beyond Sambo.

00:29:08.000 It's beyond Catch Wrestling.

00:29:09.000 DDS meaning Donahert Death Squad.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, Donahert Death Squad.

00:29:13.000 John Danahert.

00:29:13.000 He'll be here.

00:29:14.000 John will be here tomorrow at 8 a.m.

00:29:17.000 Oh, he will?

00:29:17.000 Yeah, we're doing a podcast.

00:29:18.000 Early morning podcast.

00:29:20.000 I was talking to Chael about the last Abu Dhabi, and he told me a story.

00:29:24.000 I was laughing my ass off.

00:29:25.000 He said, they did the rules meeting, and they said, well, we want from everybody, so no controversies.

00:29:30.000 We want three distinct taps.

00:29:34.000 And everybody goes, I need to walk out of here.

00:29:37.000 You know, like what we're talking about.

00:29:39.000 You don't have time to do this anymore.

00:29:41.000 For the heel hook.

00:29:43.000 Even three of these, you're risking an ACL. Everybody looked at each other like, we're all agreeing to not do that.

00:29:51.000 All the people were like, okay, if I tap, let me go, dude.

00:29:54.000 Fuck this rule shit.

00:29:55.000 Let me go.

00:29:56.000 And yeah, and Chell's like, I got caught.

00:29:58.000 And I just went, and the guy let me go.

00:29:59.000 Damn.

00:30:00.000 Yeah, because it can just destroy your knee for life.

00:30:03.000 Everything in your knee will go, dude.

00:30:04.000 Everything.

00:30:05.000 No, that's not...

00:30:07.000 Ooh, it's so bad.

00:30:08.000 That's a myth.

00:30:09.000 So bad.

00:30:09.000 That's not that bad.

00:30:10.000 I've seen horrible shit, man.

00:30:13.000 I've seen dudes get their shoulders wrecked with Kimuras.

00:30:16.000 Yeah, true too.

00:30:17.000 No, it's all true.

00:30:18.000 It's all true.

00:30:19.000 But I'm saying, I know where you're coming from with the leg lock thing.

00:30:23.000 People have gotten...

00:30:24.000 Had their knees fucked up with leg locks, but it's not as common as you think.

00:30:28.000 Oh my god.

00:30:30.000 Well, you know though, it's good to see him out of the wheelchair and apparently he's recovering.

00:30:36.000 He got hit by a train, man, which is crazy.

00:30:40.000 I mean, most people would be dead.

00:30:41.000 Makes me want to cry.

00:30:42.000 Yeah.

00:30:43.000 Fuck.

00:30:45.000 Fuck.

00:30:45.000 Wow.

00:30:46.000 Dude, it's just great that he's alive.

00:30:48.000 I'm looking at him going, fuck, look at him walking.

00:30:51.000 He's going to come back.

00:30:52.000 He's coming back.

00:30:53.000 We shot Warrior together, and the last thing he said to me, we had a scene together, and this was a week later.

00:30:58.000 He got hit.

00:30:59.000 He said, he goes, I hope I can put my shoes on when I'm older.

00:31:04.000 Fuck, at least one.

00:31:06.000 Yeah, man, a lot of guys.

00:31:08.000 It's good to see him, though.

00:31:10.000 A lot of guys think that way.

00:31:12.000 Because he was worried about it.

00:31:13.000 He was talking about head trauma.

00:31:14.000 He said he worries about it, you know?

00:31:16.000 And then he gets hit by a train.

00:31:17.000 Well, he should, man.

00:31:18.000 Everybody should fucking worry about it.

00:31:20.000 I mean, it's something that has to be taken into consideration.

00:31:22.000 I mean, it is what it is.

00:31:24.000 Yeah.

00:31:25.000 But fuck.

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 He's a good guy.

00:31:28.000 He is a good guy.

00:31:28.000 He is.

00:31:28.000 He's a very good guy.

00:31:31.000 And one of the most important figures in the history of the sport, when you break down what he was, he represented a powerful wrestler that embraced submissions.

00:31:39.000 Remember he caught that far side armbar on George St. Pierre?

00:31:42.000 He was one of the first guys that was a real strong wrestler that had very high level submission skills.

00:31:48.000 He was a huge leap in the sport.

00:31:49.000 Yeah.

00:31:50.000 I mean, he beat Hoyce Gracie on the ground.

00:31:52.000 He was one of the first real top-level athletes.

00:31:57.000 Stud.

00:31:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:57.000 Like a stud athlete.

00:31:59.000 There are a lot of guys for it that way.

00:32:01.000 Well, I'm glad he's okay, and it's nice to see him walking around.

00:32:04.000 That is good, man.

00:32:05.000 Alright, so we're gonna go to Kamaru Usman and Emil Mech.

00:32:08.000 I love this fight.

00:32:09.000 Nobody wants to fight Usman.

00:32:11.000 Nobody.

00:32:12.000 Everybody's running from that dude.

00:32:14.000 That guy's a smashing machine.

00:32:16.000 I mean, he is a fucking tank of a human being.

00:32:19.000 But this Emil Mech guy, talk about leg locks, he got his way into the UFC by knocking out Tokinho.

00:32:25.000 He smashed him and some other organization.

00:32:28.000 Wait, isn't he fighting the Valhalla guy?

00:32:30.000 Yeah, that's Emil Mech.

00:32:31.000 Emil Mech is the crazy Viking guy.

00:32:34.000 He's a fucking animal.

00:32:36.000 He's so shredded and stupid.

00:32:37.000 But Kamaru Usman, top of the food chain wrestler.

00:32:41.000 Super athlete.

00:32:42.000 Just a tank of a man who everybody's running from.

00:32:45.000 Just running from.

00:32:46.000 Nobody wants a piece of him.

00:32:47.000 When you talk about top ten guys, he's the guy that nobody's mentioning.

00:32:51.000 There's a special thing, I think, in MMA and combat sports period.

00:32:54.000 There are guys who are great, and then there are guys who are frightening.

00:33:00.000 Another good example is Toquino.

00:33:02.000 Even when he was a fringe top 10 guy, people were like, I don't want anything to do with that dude.

00:33:06.000 I don't want to be anywhere near...

00:33:08.000 I'd rather have a GSP who's better, but won't hurt me like Toquino will rip your leg in half and just have no idea what he's doing.

00:33:16.000 Man, I feel like...

00:33:17.000 Scary, dude.

00:33:17.000 I think he did some bad things in the UFC. He definitely held on submissions, but I feel like he got a bad deal when he got fired.

00:33:23.000 When he got kicked out of the UFC, the submission that he held, I watched it and I say, that was not egregious.

00:33:28.000 And that was a normal thing for anybody else.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, it certainly wasn't his worst.

00:33:33.000 It was like the fourth time that they had said, hey, don't...

00:33:36.000 The other ones were horrible.

00:33:37.000 Other ones were worse.

00:33:38.000 But it was a straw to me.

00:33:40.000 It was a straw.

00:33:41.000 The Jake Shields fight was like...

00:33:43.000 I thought the refereeing in that was terrible.

00:33:46.000 That was in World Series of Fighters.

00:33:48.000 He kept gouging his eyes.

00:33:50.000 I lost all respect for him when he was doing that.

00:33:54.000 Shields looked at the ref and was like, dude, he keeps gouging my eyes.

00:33:56.000 You see his eye afterwards?

00:33:58.000 I would have kicked him out of the door.

00:34:00.000 And then he held on to the Kimura?

00:34:01.000 It's tough to under...

00:34:03.000 Yeah, and then Jake hit him after he tapped him with the Kimura because he wouldn't let go of the Kimura.

00:34:08.000 But if you go back and...

00:34:09.000 I mean, I'm not giving the guy an excuse, but you want to find out about his childhood.

00:34:13.000 His childhood was horrific.

00:34:15.000 Yeah.

00:34:15.000 He was working on a farm when he was like a little boy.

00:34:18.000 He has a giant scar in his chest because he got slashed open and they just tried to like tape it up and glue it together.

00:34:24.000 They never brought him to the hospital.

00:34:26.000 I mean, he literally would eat pig slop.

00:34:28.000 Like he had no food.

00:34:30.000 Jesus.

00:34:30.000 And just worked on a farm.

00:34:32.000 And then as he got older, made his way into Rio and then found Minotauro School and started learning jiu-jitsu.

00:34:39.000 Just a tank from farm work.

00:34:41.000 Yeah.

00:34:42.000 From being a boy, having to work.

00:34:44.000 He needs to fight in Ghanu.

00:34:46.000 He's scared as well as scary.

00:34:49.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:34:49.000 I mean, a kid that's growing up in that horrific environment like that, who knows what kind of abuse he suffered.

00:34:54.000 Who knows how his brain developed and all that stuff.

00:34:57.000 But definitely was in danger and fearful from the time he was very young.

00:35:02.000 And he was in a position where he was struggling for his life, for survival.

00:35:06.000 In a way that...

00:35:08.000 Weak bitches like us.

00:35:09.000 We don't understand.

00:35:10.000 We're so soft.

00:35:11.000 He obviously probably has impulse control, all kinds of issues.

00:35:15.000 It's an animal in a lot of ways.

00:35:16.000 But if you look at the Avalon fight that he had in Abu Dhabi, where they're rolling out and he's holding onto a heel hook.

00:35:20.000 Oh, it was horrible.

00:35:22.000 And the refs stop, stop, stop, and he won't stop.

00:35:24.000 And Avalon's freaking out.

00:35:26.000 But that was also that terrible situation where they restarted him with him holding him.

00:35:30.000 And it was done, yeah.

00:35:30.000 Which you never can do.

00:35:31.000 You just can't do.

00:35:33.000 You can't, particularly with heel hooks.

00:35:34.000 No, you can't.

00:35:35.000 You cannot say, ready, set, go.

00:35:37.000 Because you've got to assume that the guy's securing that in the middle of a scramble.

00:35:40.000 You've got to be in motion.

00:35:40.000 Right.

00:35:41.000 There's also, you can't just start him.

00:35:43.000 Because he's going to rip it.

00:35:44.000 But the thing was, about the mental state, is, you know, they stop and Avalon is...

00:35:51.000 Furious, because he wouldn't let go of this heel hook.

00:35:53.000 And, like, Torquino's trying to, like, hug it out.

00:35:55.000 And they're trying to explain to him, no, no, you were supposed to let go.

00:35:59.000 And it was almost like he didn't quite get what was going on.

00:36:02.000 It took a while, if you watch that, it took a while for them to explain it to him, like, no.

00:36:05.000 He gets into the frenzy of it, maybe.

00:36:07.000 I don't know, man.

00:36:09.000 I don't know, dude.

00:36:10.000 You could also make the argument that he's playing dumb.

00:36:12.000 I don't know him.

00:36:13.000 I don't know the guy.

00:36:14.000 But if that was my student, that he was tearing apart like that, I would say, this guy's fucking playing dumb.

00:36:20.000 He knows he's not supposed to rip your leg apart like that.

00:36:23.000 That ref, though, what's his name, with the Jake Shields fight, you see him, you're watching him...

00:36:28.000 It was a Steve Mazzagotti fight, if I remember correctly.

00:36:30.000 Was it Mazzagotti?

00:36:31.000 It was Mazzagotti.

00:36:32.000 Like, you don't see him digging into his eyes like that?

00:36:35.000 You're a ref and you don't see that?

00:36:36.000 Both of his eyes were all red and it was crazy.

00:36:38.000 Oh, that was awful.

00:36:40.000 I'm never critical, but there's just no excuse for that.

00:36:43.000 That was awful.

00:36:44.000 That was awful.

00:36:44.000 He did a seminar, because he's top team, and I was top team in Long Beach, and Carlton Gracie and everything.

00:36:50.000 And my coach calls me and he says, I wasn't in town at the time, but he goes, Oh, Taquina's doing a seminar.

00:36:55.000 You should come by for this leg lock seminar or whatever.

00:36:57.000 I remember thinking...

00:36:59.000 I'd want to learn the leg locks.

00:37:00.000 I don't know if I'd get on a mat with that dude.

00:37:03.000 I'd want him to show me stuff, but if he's like, I'm going to demonstrate, come here, I'd be like, I don't know if I want to sit there with you, dude.

00:37:09.000 When you bring in one of them old school Gracie Bubba dummies.

00:37:12.000 Dude, yeah, he would bring the dummy and go, show me on that guy.

00:37:15.000 Isn't it a little, it's different though, when it's just a straight grappling match, yeah, come on, you're not trying to, no one's trying to break anybody's bones here.

00:37:23.000 But it's a little bit different in MMA when your opponent has no problem trying to put his fist through your skull.

00:37:32.000 It's a fight.

00:37:33.000 He would love it if he kicked you right in the head and broke your fucking orb.

00:37:38.000 He would love it and no one would ever talk shit on him.

00:37:41.000 But if you crank a heel hook and you tear their tendon a little bit, You know, then you're the fucking bad guy.

00:37:49.000 But it's also, he doesn't...

00:37:50.000 No, I think it's stop when the guy's tapping, right?

00:37:53.000 Well, you know what I'm saying?

00:37:54.000 Stop when the guy's tapping.

00:37:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:55.000 You have to respect the tapping.

00:37:56.000 So you're trying to break my skull.

00:37:58.000 I'm trying to break your tendon.

00:37:59.000 100%, yeah.

00:38:00.000 What's the difference?

00:38:01.000 But the guys...

00:38:01.000 But once again, the guys who hit the ground, the refs just stopped, and they're still trying to hit him?

00:38:05.000 Can you imagine a guy...

00:38:06.000 Fuck that guy.

00:38:06.000 It's the same thing.

00:38:07.000 You've got to stop punching when the referee gets in your head, period.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, but what about in situations like Dan Henderson and Bisping?

00:38:14.000 He didn't like Bisping.

00:38:15.000 Think about this.

00:38:16.000 Oh, yeah, he was trying to hurt him.

00:38:17.000 Fighters know when a guy is fucking done.

00:38:20.000 He hit Bisping so hard, for sure Dan Henderson knew he was done.

00:38:24.000 But the ref was like 15 yards away.

00:38:27.000 So Dan Henderson knew he was like, damn, I got a free shot.

00:38:30.000 Check this out.

00:38:31.000 Boom!

00:38:32.000 It makes highlight reels.

00:38:33.000 That's okay?

00:38:34.000 It's his t-shirt.

00:38:34.000 I like it.

00:38:35.000 I like it.

00:38:36.000 I put them in the same category.

00:38:37.000 I like it.

00:38:37.000 Exactly.

00:38:38.000 If you don't respect the stop of the fight, it's bad.

00:38:41.000 It's just a little tendon.

00:38:42.000 It's not that big.

00:38:43.000 There are a few.

00:38:44.000 These two are as muscled as you get.

00:38:47.000 Does this make you feel uncomfortable about your own body when you watch these guys?

00:38:51.000 Yes, it does.

00:38:51.000 Because they basically weigh what you weigh.

00:38:52.000 Or they weighed in.

00:38:54.000 Yeah, they weighed in what you weigh.

00:38:56.000 It's the fucking reason I'll never ultimately be happy.

00:39:00.000 Because you're not built like that?

00:39:02.000 That's exactly right.

00:39:03.000 And I would never wear clothes.

00:39:05.000 I would always be in shorts like that.

00:39:07.000 You would have a hoodie opened up all the way.

00:39:09.000 That's right.

00:39:09.000 You'd walk down the beach with no shirt on.

00:39:11.000 You'd be that guy 100%.

00:39:12.000 I'd wear a scarf around my neck.

00:39:14.000 He'd have a book in his back pocket that was all dog-eared, but he really never read it.

00:39:18.000 That's true.

00:39:19.000 That was my rap.

00:39:21.000 You know what will help you in these moments?

00:39:26.000 You'll appreciate this.

00:39:27.000 We were talking about Bobby Fischer last time.

00:39:29.000 Yes.

00:39:29.000 That same documentary, Bobby Fischer Against the World, you have to watch.

00:39:32.000 That's a great documentary.

00:39:33.000 Yeah, but remember when the guy says, imagine all the things you did as a kid, after school and before school, and imagine all of that's filled up with chess study, and that's all you did.

00:39:41.000 So you can complain, I'm not that guy, but you're sitting here drinking wine and cheese.

00:39:45.000 That dude's in the gym.

00:39:46.000 You are correct, sir.

00:39:47.000 All the stuff I do that doesn't have anything to do with getting yoked, I get to do all that stuff.

00:39:53.000 You are correct.

00:39:53.000 Why aren't I as good at grappling as Hicks and Gracie?

00:39:57.000 Think of all you did while Hicks and Gracie was on a mat training.

00:40:02.000 You were doing That's what I like about life.

00:40:04.000 That's the only way to think about it.

00:40:05.000 His thing to me is one of my all-time favorite grappling characters, not just because he's the all-time greatest crazy, but also because he incorporated yoga.

00:40:12.000 He was so outside the box.

00:40:14.000 He's doing what a lot of jiu-jitsu guys are doing now, incorporating yoga.

00:40:19.000 MMA guys incorporating yoga.

00:40:20.000 The nutrition, too.

00:40:21.000 You and I watched Choke Together, I think, for the first time.

00:40:24.000 I remember that's how far we were back.

00:40:25.000 We wanted to do push-ups.

00:40:26.000 Look at this.

00:40:27.000 Jump around.

00:40:28.000 Look at this.

00:40:29.000 Look at each other.

00:40:29.000 Dude, these guys are...

00:40:31.000 Who was the last guy Meek fought?

00:40:34.000 That's a good question.

00:40:36.000 I think you pronounce it Mech.

00:40:38.000 I think it's Emil Mech.

00:40:40.000 He's a straight-up Viking.

00:40:43.000 100%.

00:40:43.000 And you've got a West African warrior over here from Nigeria.

00:40:48.000 You've got...

00:40:50.000 What's going to be interesting is if Mech can stuff the takedown.

00:40:53.000 Can he stuff the takedown?

00:40:54.000 Came out drunk and monkey for a second.

00:40:56.000 Yeah, it came out nice and low.

00:40:57.000 Oh, see that?

00:40:58.000 Right away.

00:40:59.000 Couldn't stop it for literally a second.

00:41:00.000 Oh, but he got the neck!

00:41:01.000 Got the neck!

00:41:02.000 Oh, shit!

00:41:03.000 And full guard.

00:41:04.000 And full guard.

00:41:05.000 Oh, shit.

00:41:06.000 Oh, Kamaru!

00:41:07.000 Well, that's not good, is it, guys?

00:41:09.000 He's trying to put pressure on his right side.

00:41:10.000 How much does he burn himself out here?

00:41:13.000 Does he go for it?

00:41:14.000 Or does he let it go and this beast is on top of him?

00:41:18.000 Dropping elbows.

00:41:19.000 Is this not okay here?

00:41:21.000 Well, arm in is harder to finish.

00:41:22.000 He has his arm in.

00:41:23.000 Arm worn in, it's a lot harder to finish.

00:41:25.000 Right now, I would say he's fine.

00:41:27.000 He doesn't have it by now.

00:41:28.000 Yeah, he's trying to put all his weight on his right side.

00:41:29.000 It all depends on his left side.

00:41:32.000 On his squeeze.

00:41:33.000 I don't know how good a squeeze is.

00:41:35.000 Oh, he's tightened down now.

00:41:36.000 He's got full guard.

00:41:38.000 This is a great position.

00:41:39.000 Is it?

00:41:40.000 Yes, it's great.

00:41:41.000 If you know how to finish it, yeah.

00:41:42.000 He's deep.

00:41:42.000 He's under that chin, man.

00:41:43.000 Ooh, that doesn't look good.

00:41:45.000 That's not good.

00:41:45.000 Oh, he's way lighter now.

00:41:47.000 Way lighter.

00:41:47.000 Look at all that air.

00:41:48.000 See all that air?

00:41:49.000 Yeah.

00:41:50.000 He's giving up on it.

00:41:51.000 He's popping out.

00:41:52.000 He's popping out right now.

00:41:53.000 And Emil's going to try to step up.

00:41:55.000 Oh, he's trying to get that...

00:41:56.000 Kamaru's going to hold him down, and now...

00:41:59.000 Oh, I don't like that.

00:42:00.000 Now, head and arm.

00:42:01.000 Kamaru taking him to the cage.

00:42:03.000 Interesting.

00:42:04.000 He's got to pass to get the head and arm.

00:42:05.000 Won't work from guard.

00:42:08.000 Maybe with that fence, there's something there.

00:42:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:11.000 Maybe he puts enough energy into it.

00:42:15.000 But if he could just pass one leg and hold his position, if he can get to half guard and just keep this upper body clutch, that's what he's trying to do.

00:42:22.000 Usman's wrestling pedigree is what?

00:42:25.000 Good question.

00:42:26.000 Jamie, see if you can pull up Usman's wrestling pedigree.

00:42:29.000 I'm pretty sure he's NCAA All-American.

00:42:31.000 Yikes.

00:42:32.000 And more than that, I think maybe two years.

00:42:35.000 I'd have to remember, go over my notes.

00:42:37.000 Look at that, he wants the back.

00:42:38.000 Ooh, stepping back up.

00:42:40.000 Stepping up, though.

00:42:41.000 Nigeria had an Olympian in Daniel Igali, who went to Canada and then won gold medal in 2000. He's trying to take the back here.

00:42:47.000 As far as I know, there's not a lot of great wrestling out of there.

00:42:50.000 Three-year All-American D2. Yeah, three-year All-American, Division II. All right, cool.

00:42:55.000 And what university?

00:42:57.000 University of Nebraska at Kearney.

00:43:00.000 Same as Ellenberger.

00:43:01.000 That's where Ellenberger went.

00:43:02.000 Ooh, it's going for the Camorra.

00:43:03.000 Look at this.

00:43:04.000 Look at this.

00:43:05.000 Oh, boy.

00:43:06.000 Interesting.

00:43:07.000 Interesting.

00:43:08.000 Interesting.

00:43:09.000 Interesting.

00:43:11.000 Ooh, he's got it in low.

00:43:12.000 He's got it nice and low.

00:43:13.000 He's got to really turn his hips though.

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:14.000 And the fence is getting in the way a little bit.

00:43:16.000 Okay, he's defended it.

00:43:17.000 Nice.

00:43:18.000 Still controlling that wrist though.

00:43:20.000 Doesn't want to let it go.

00:43:21.000 Interesting.

00:43:22.000 Can't get that arm over.

00:43:24.000 Going back to it.

00:43:25.000 Yeah.

00:43:28.000 It's a lot of muscle to feel.

00:43:29.000 If this goes later, it'll be interesting to see who the team is.

00:43:32.000 Yeah, it's a lot of tension on the muscles.

00:43:35.000 Have you been wrestling for a long time or are you used to?

00:43:37.000 We're talking about Kamaru and Nigerian wrestlers.

00:43:41.000 I mean, where is Emil from Iceland?

00:43:44.000 What's Viking?

00:43:45.000 Norway?

00:43:45.000 What is that?

00:43:47.000 Greenland, Iceland, Norway.

00:43:49.000 The flag was Norway.

00:43:50.000 Denmark.

00:43:50.000 Norway?

00:43:51.000 I think.

00:43:51.000 Sweden.

00:43:52.000 Where is he from, though?

00:43:53.000 He's from...

00:43:54.000 We're gonna find out.

00:43:55.000 Look at this.

00:43:56.000 This is a battle, baby.

00:43:58.000 This is a battle.

00:43:59.000 You got a couple of...

00:44:00.000 Kamaru Usman wanted to establish.

00:44:05.000 Establish that dominesh.

00:44:06.000 From Norway.

00:44:07.000 Norway.

00:44:08.000 Norway.

00:44:09.000 Norway.

00:44:11.000 Bunch of fucking tough people in Norway.

00:44:14.000 He's got his nails painted.

00:44:15.000 I like that his toenails are painted.

00:44:17.000 I appreciate it very much.

00:44:19.000 They're painted...

00:44:20.000 He worships the devil.

00:44:23.000 He's probably a druid.

00:44:25.000 Druid?

00:44:25.000 What?

00:44:26.000 It's a male witch.

00:44:27.000 What?

00:44:28.000 I thought that was a warlock.

00:44:29.000 They're experts at potions.

00:44:32.000 I love how the what is like, I don't know what a druid is.

00:44:35.000 It's more that you're calling him a druid.

00:44:37.000 A druid's not a male witch, but a druid is...

00:44:40.000 I can't believe somebody who's into magic and...

00:44:42.000 Emile Mech, back up.

00:44:43.000 Emile Mech standing up.

00:44:45.000 Yeah, but here's the thing.

00:44:46.000 You can't keep Usman off him.

00:44:48.000 The question is whether or not Usman can continue this pace and keep doing this.

00:44:53.000 His mouth is closed.

00:44:54.000 He seems to be breathing pretty.

00:44:55.000 But how's Mech going to feel once he gets free?

00:44:58.000 Because you're holding your weight and the other guy's weight, which sucks.

00:45:01.000 Who's more burnt out here?

00:45:02.000 Who's going to be more burnt out?

00:45:04.000 We're likely looking at the end of the first round where Kamaru controls him and does most of the control.

00:45:12.000 But really didn't get much off.

00:45:14.000 Oh, that's a mistake.

00:45:17.000 Keep your head there.

00:45:19.000 Don't turn.

00:45:20.000 You push.

00:45:21.000 I want to keep him square.

00:45:22.000 I want to keep that in front of you.

00:45:23.000 Okay.

00:45:24.000 Who's Emil Mek training with?

00:45:25.000 I was just going to ask that.

00:45:26.000 I'd like to see who's Jiu-Jitsu.

00:45:28.000 With Thor?

00:45:31.000 In Valhalla.

00:45:33.000 Valhalla?

00:45:33.000 Oh, nice ride.

00:45:35.000 I watched Star Wars today.

00:45:37.000 How was it?

00:45:37.000 I haven't seen it yet.

00:45:38.000 It was like a Disney Star Wars movie.

00:45:41.000 Yeah.

00:45:41.000 It's like everything's super diversified.

00:45:44.000 The characters are all black and Asian women, and there's women that are generals.

00:45:48.000 The women are running things.

00:45:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:51.000 That's awful.

00:45:52.000 Yeah.

00:45:52.000 It's like Game of Thrones.

00:45:53.000 No, no, no.

00:45:55.000 Ooh!

00:45:56.000 A little after-the-bell action there.

00:45:58.000 It was okay.

00:45:59.000 That was a get-off movie.

00:46:00.000 It was a fun movie.

00:46:00.000 It was fun, but it was just like...

00:46:03.000 It's like it got Disney-fied.

00:46:05.000 It's like they just boiled all the bacteria off of it.

00:46:09.000 Did it get Marxist?

00:46:11.000 Well, it's just, you know, I like a strong female character, but I don't want to think that this is like a calculated move for you to create a strong female character.

00:46:23.000 But it is a calculated move.

00:46:24.000 But I don't want to notice that.

00:46:26.000 I know.

00:46:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:46:28.000 Somebody told me that about The Black Mirror.

00:46:30.000 Somebody complained.

00:46:31.000 They said, oh, all the fucking heroes in this season's Black Mirror are all women.

00:46:34.000 If you watch The Black Mirror and that's what you're concentrating on, you're an asshole.

00:46:39.000 Because that fucking show's amazing.

00:46:41.000 It's amazing.

00:46:42.000 It's astonishing.

00:46:43.000 Nobody gives a fuck if there's women in the lead or men in the lead.

00:46:47.000 It's just a phenomenal show.

00:46:48.000 It gives me anxiety.

00:46:50.000 Yes!

00:46:50.000 It's astonishing.

00:46:51.000 I want to turn it off halfway through.

00:46:53.000 I haven't seen this season, though.

00:46:58.000 This season's the greatest ever.

00:47:00.000 It's amazing.

00:47:01.000 It's amazing.

00:47:02.000 Metalhead?

00:47:02.000 Metalhead about the dogs?

00:47:03.000 Metalhead was crazy!

00:47:05.000 Here we go.

00:47:05.000 Round two.

00:47:06.000 Watch out now.

00:47:06.000 Don't be getting taken down.

00:47:07.000 Let's see if...

00:47:08.000 Oh, he's going right to head kicks.

00:47:09.000 But here's the thing.

00:47:10.000 Does Usman get tired?

00:47:11.000 Does he get tired after all that grapple fuck?

00:47:13.000 He doesn't look tired to me.

00:47:14.000 Doesn't look tired.

00:47:15.000 Doesn't look tired.

00:47:16.000 Is Mech tired?

00:47:17.000 Oh, front kick to the body.

00:47:18.000 Mech, I like the fact that he's still throwing kicks even though he got taken down and dominated on the ground.

00:47:23.000 He's trying to set something up.

00:47:25.000 Oh, and another hard kick to the arms.

00:47:27.000 Not fun.

00:47:28.000 Not fun to take those if you're holding tie pads.

00:47:31.000 Don't you have to be careful about catching the top of your foot on those elbows?

00:47:35.000 Well, he's not thinking about that.

00:47:36.000 Yeah, that can suck.

00:47:37.000 Once again, if you're thinking about it...

00:47:38.000 He's thinking about slamming that shin into those fucking forearms and making them useless.

00:47:43.000 Ooh, those hurt.

00:47:43.000 Oh!

00:47:44.000 Oh, he hurt him!

00:47:45.000 He hurt him with that spinning back fist.

00:47:47.000 Damn.

00:47:48.000 He hurt him.

00:47:48.000 Elbow.

00:47:50.000 That was a very nice spinning back fist.

00:47:52.000 Very nice.

00:47:53.000 Oh, ducked under that hand.

00:47:56.000 Get out of there, son.

00:47:57.000 Ooh, here we go.

00:47:59.000 Alright, somebody's gonna...

00:48:00.000 Oh, he's reaching a little bit now.

00:48:01.000 He's reaching a little bit.

00:48:02.000 Oh!

00:48:03.000 Oh, there he gets it.

00:48:04.000 There he gets it.

00:48:05.000 Better let it go, son.

00:48:06.000 Better get out of there.

00:48:08.000 Get out of there, Mech.

00:48:11.000 Interesting, though.

00:48:12.000 Usman does not want no part of that fucking stand-up.

00:48:14.000 Nope, I don't think so.

00:48:15.000 Not enjoying it.

00:48:16.000 Nope.

00:48:16.000 Doesn't want to be throwing bones with a Viking.

00:48:20.000 That's a long history of fucking people up.

00:48:22.000 Where did he wrestle?

00:48:25.000 Nebraska, Kearney.

00:48:27.000 Kearney.

00:48:29.000 Got that wizard.

00:48:29.000 D2. He's got that wizard.

00:48:32.000 Ooh!

00:48:33.000 Ooh!

00:48:34.000 Good left hand by Usman.

00:48:35.000 Oh!

00:48:35.000 Bad move going over the head.

00:48:37.000 Almost get the back.

00:48:38.000 Should've kept that wizard, right?

00:48:39.000 Should've kept it.

00:48:40.000 Mmm.

00:48:44.000 Interesting how to score this, right?

00:48:46.000 Because Usman, when he gets it to the ground, he's been not able to do anything.

00:48:50.000 He controls him, but he's not getting anything off.

00:48:53.000 And it's Mech who went for the submissions in the first round.

00:48:55.000 Mech went for the submissions, and clearly Usman does not want to stand with him.

00:48:59.000 He's trying to bring this into his realm.

00:49:03.000 Well, stand up without giving up your back.

00:49:05.000 Yeah, he doesn't want to stand up too high and get the hooks in.

00:49:08.000 So it's about guarding your hips and standing up at the same time.

00:49:10.000 That's also why you see he's got his right hip pressed nice and square.

00:49:13.000 He's trying to keep that left hook, or the right hook rather, from getting in.

00:49:18.000 He's back up again.

00:49:19.000 Interesting.

00:49:20.000 Trying to separate those arms.

00:49:21.000 A lot of battle in here.

00:49:22.000 A lot of fucking physical war.

00:49:23.000 This is going to be, in a lot of ways, like who's going to be the fitter fighter.

00:49:27.000 Yeah, it is.

00:49:29.000 But that neck keeps standing up.

00:49:30.000 Yeah, and again, going for that core.

00:49:32.000 And going back to the Kimura.

00:49:32.000 Kimura, come on.

00:49:34.000 Gotta watch it.

00:49:34.000 That's the commitment to the hips.

00:49:36.000 Oh, see.

00:49:36.000 He's going to it.

00:49:37.000 Going to it, but...

00:49:38.000 He's too close to the fence.

00:49:39.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 Too close to the fence and doesn't really have anything going on with his legs.

00:49:47.000 He likes it though.

00:49:48.000 He's holding it.

00:49:49.000 That's his shit.

00:49:50.000 He's a muscle dude.

00:49:51.000 That's a real muscle move.

00:49:54.000 It's funny, you know, Marcelo Garcia doesn't use Kimuras.

00:49:58.000 But his body isn't on the right side to do anything with that Kimura if he gets that arm.

00:50:01.000 I find that amazing.

00:50:02.000 It does take a lot of commitment with the hips to get a Kimura.

00:50:08.000 Generally speaking...

00:50:09.000 Are you a black belt?

00:50:10.000 Yeah.

00:50:11.000 You fought too, right?

00:50:12.000 Yeah.

00:50:14.000 What are you going to say?

00:50:15.000 Kimuras, I think what Marcelo means by that is that...

00:50:22.000 Kimura's definitely work.

00:50:23.000 Yeah, they certainly do.

00:50:25.000 There's elaborate systems around Kimura's.

00:50:28.000 Kimura's are fucking huge.

00:50:29.000 But I see what he says, because if you're gonna go with someone who has 20-30 pounds on you, Kimura's not gonna work.

00:50:35.000 Look at these elbows from the bottom of my neck.

00:50:36.000 And also, that's the guy who's saying, with all the options I have, I wouldn't necessarily.

00:50:40.000 I mean, he's got a lot of other options.

00:50:42.000 He's not sitting there thinking just about the Kimura.

00:50:44.000 He has a lot of options every time he attacks.

00:50:46.000 He goes for risks a lot.

00:50:47.000 So I think it's just the harder way to go with all the options he has.

00:50:50.000 That's another way to look at it.

00:50:51.000 It makes sense, though.

00:50:52.000 He says he wants to spend time working on submissions and only time, like all his time.

00:50:58.000 That work on big guys.

00:51:00.000 Chokes.

00:51:00.000 Yeah, chokes.

00:51:01.000 He went open division at Abu Dhabi all the time.

00:51:04.000 He just wants to get good at stuff that works on bigger guys.

00:51:06.000 If it doesn't work on bigger guys, he doesn't want to spend time there.

00:51:10.000 And he had a leg lock game, too.

00:51:12.000 He submitted Rico Rodriguez.

00:51:14.000 Yeah, remember that?

00:51:15.000 Abu Dhabi?

00:51:16.000 After he slammed him.

00:51:17.000 Yeah, that was dark.

00:51:19.000 That was dirty.

00:51:21.000 But that's what Jacare did to him, remember?

00:51:23.000 Paul Gardner Kimura.

00:51:24.000 Because I'm bigger, I'm stronger, lock him down, get rid of his mobility, and go for the Kimura.

00:51:28.000 I remember that.

00:51:29.000 It was quick.

00:51:30.000 Fast.

00:51:31.000 Okay, Mech on the bottom here, man.

00:51:34.000 Starting to get cut up, too.

00:51:35.000 Yeah, well, he got some good elbows off from the bottom, and then Kamaru started smashing on him.

00:51:41.000 He was angry.

00:51:43.000 When you're on top of somebody for this long, though, is that...

00:51:47.000 Scored as control?

00:51:50.000 You're in the dominant position, and also your strikes count for more.

00:51:53.000 So when it comes to significant strikes, your strikes are more significant, basically.

00:51:57.000 Yeah, and clearly Usman wants to keep the fight to the ground.

00:52:01.000 Clearly Mech wants to get up, and he can't.

00:52:03.000 So it shows dominance of position.

00:52:04.000 It shows the ability to execute your game.

00:52:07.000 End of the round.

00:52:09.000 Very interesting.

00:52:13.000 Yeah, I've been looking forward to somebody challenging Usman.

00:52:16.000 So you see some vulnerabilities in the stand-up.

00:52:19.000 Yeah.

00:52:20.000 You see a little bit of that, you know, in Mech being a strong, dangerous guy.

00:52:24.000 But you also see Usman's strengths, his ability to keep fights going down.

00:52:29.000 Now, what kind of cheese is this?

00:52:30.000 Do you get raw cheese?

00:52:31.000 Are you one of those fellas?

00:52:32.000 Yeah, this is a beautiful...

00:52:33.000 That is good cheese.

00:52:34.000 That is good cheese.

00:52:36.000 Don't be stingy.

00:52:37.000 Is this raw cheese?

00:52:38.000 I don't know.

00:52:39.000 You don't know?

00:52:39.000 But it's a beautiful...

00:52:41.000 Do you get it at Whole Foods?

00:52:42.000 It's the best manchego I've ever had.

00:52:43.000 Thank you, my man.

00:52:44.000 Ooh, that's really good.

00:52:45.000 You see what it is?

00:52:46.000 I don't play around when it comes to cheese.

00:52:48.000 You do not, dude.

00:52:49.000 I don't play around in general.

00:52:51.000 Mmm.

00:52:52.000 That's some good goddamn cheese.

00:52:54.000 You ever have a good vegan cheese?

00:52:56.000 No, I don't believe it.

00:52:57.000 Do they exist?

00:52:58.000 Yeah, they're cashew cheese.

00:52:59.000 You can kiss my ass with that stuff.

00:53:00.000 Really?

00:53:01.000 Yeah, it's not cheese.

00:53:02.000 Stop reinventing the wheel.

00:53:04.000 That's what drives me crazy.

00:53:05.000 They make it out of cashews and stuff.

00:53:07.000 But is it a valid substitution?

00:53:10.000 I'm being dramatic, actually.

00:53:11.000 I'm kidding.

00:53:12.000 You aren't.

00:53:12.000 I don't know.

00:53:13.000 You're serious.

00:53:14.000 My wife eats it.

00:53:14.000 Here we go.

00:53:15.000 Round three.

00:53:17.000 Do you say, get the fuck out of my face with that shit when you see you're eating it?

00:53:20.000 Do you scream?

00:53:22.000 Do you yell into the kitchen?

00:53:23.000 Get the fuck out of my face with that shit right now.

00:53:25.000 Take that communist stuff out of my fucking house.

00:53:28.000 Interesting.

00:53:28.000 Both guys look pretty good in this third round.

00:53:31.000 Eddie, you're a vegan now, right?

00:53:32.000 I'm trying to keep my mouth away from the mic.

00:53:33.000 Oh, no.

00:53:35.000 You look good either way.

00:53:36.000 That's all I know.

00:53:37.000 Thank you.

00:53:38.000 Eddie doesn't age.

00:53:39.000 Well, especially now off the booze.

00:53:41.000 He does not age, man.

00:53:42.000 Your face looks way better.

00:53:44.000 Thank you.

00:53:45.000 He's 85 years old.

00:53:45.000 How old are you?

00:53:46.000 47. Damn, man.

00:53:48.000 You look young.

00:53:49.000 Thank you.

00:53:50.000 You really do.

00:53:54.000 Oh, nut shot.

00:53:55.000 Boom.

00:53:56.000 Toes caught it.

00:53:56.000 Kind of.

00:53:57.000 Not that bad.

00:53:58.000 Sit on your butt like that, huh?

00:53:59.000 Oof.

00:54:02.000 I was doing that weird drop thing that never works.

00:54:06.000 You know what's funny?

00:54:06.000 A lot of people complain online.

00:54:09.000 Fans are like, oh, that wasn't a bad shot.

00:54:11.000 A lot of times the ones that don't look bad slam the cup right into your nuts.

00:54:15.000 And they're the worst.

00:54:16.000 The grazing shots, a lot of times, are the worst ones.

00:54:18.000 They shift the cup.

00:54:19.000 And a square one...

00:54:22.000 Yeah, you gotta get those goddamn compression cups, like Diamond MMA. They have that compression short with a cup that keeps everything locked in and tight.

00:54:30.000 That's what you want.

00:54:31.000 Our boy is scoring with these guys.

00:54:33.000 He hit him with a hard shot to the body and a good right hand behind it.

00:54:37.000 It's interesting because if you look at who did damage, clearly Usman got off some of the damage in that first round, but you can't discount all this.

00:54:45.000 No, you cannot.

00:54:46.000 Uh-oh, uh-oh.

00:54:47.000 Don't go back to the ground.

00:54:49.000 Come on, let me see this slugfest.

00:54:51.000 Oh, look at this!

00:54:52.000 Hammering with those elbows.

00:54:53.000 Travis Brown.

00:54:55.000 Uh-oh.

00:54:56.000 He's going down, son.

00:54:58.000 He's probably not going to be able to get up.

00:55:01.000 Damn it.

00:55:02.000 Here we go again.

00:55:03.000 He's working for that head and arm choke again.

00:55:05.000 But again, he's stuck in full guard.

00:55:09.000 Seems rudimentary.

00:55:15.000 He hasn't been there.

00:55:16.000 Yeah, he's got no pass.

00:55:17.000 He seems like he's just kind of trying to hold that spot with that left arm trapped, but he doesn't really have a real option.

00:55:24.000 Meek's an animal though.

00:55:25.000 He is an animal.

00:55:26.000 He's an animal.

00:55:27.000 But he's fucked here.

00:55:28.000 Oh!

00:55:29.000 Nice!

00:55:30.000 Nice!

00:55:30.000 Right back to it.

00:55:32.000 Still comes at him, though.

00:55:33.000 Usman, right back on him.

00:55:34.000 That's Usman's happy place, boy.

00:55:35.000 He'll just...

00:55:36.000 That pressure's crazy.

00:55:37.000 Yeah, he didn't want none of that.

00:55:38.000 Didn't want none of that.

00:55:39.000 Didn't want to be standing up with this.

00:55:39.000 That's the switch.

00:55:40.000 Old-school switch!

00:55:41.000 Old-school wrestling switch, man.

00:55:43.000 Good luck.

00:55:43.000 Yeah, but nah, get that on.

00:55:45.000 You got to get that, like, right away.

00:55:47.000 Usman's just got such a big advantage with the wrestling.

00:55:52.000 Interesting.

00:55:53.000 Very interesting.

00:55:55.000 Ouch.

00:55:56.000 That's gotta hurt.

00:55:56.000 So you see how strong Usman's wrestling is, but you also see vulnerability.

00:56:02.000 Yeah.

00:56:02.000 Definitely see vulnerability in the stand-up.

00:56:04.000 I don't think it's gonna be as hard for him to get fights now.

00:56:06.000 I'll tell you that.

00:56:07.000 He'll be able to get a few guys that'll step in.

00:56:11.000 And he's fighting a strong guy, but he isn't fighting a tricky, you know, a guy that's going to cut a lot of angles or throw weird stuff at him.

00:56:18.000 Because he's reached a few times those takedowns, and the guy hasn't had the speed to really make him pay for it.

00:56:23.000 Somebody else will.

00:56:24.000 Him versus Mike Perry would be very interesting.

00:56:27.000 Him versus Darren Till would be interesting.

00:56:29.000 That would be horrific.

00:56:32.000 In other words...

00:56:34.000 Big advantage for the stand-up for Till.

00:56:36.000 Right, that's what I mean.

00:56:37.000 Big, big advantage.

00:56:38.000 Darren Till is a wizard.

00:56:40.000 He's going to be...

00:56:40.000 I don't know what his wrestling's like against a guy like Tyron or something, but I don't know how he stops that.

00:56:46.000 But if he does have great takedown defense, I think he's going to...

00:56:51.000 He's gonna walk through that division, not walk through it.

00:56:54.000 Well, you saw almost immediately in the Cowboy fight, he was on so many levels higher than Cowboy when it came to stand-up.

00:57:02.000 Distance control, and then consequences for his actions.

00:57:06.000 Well, he hit so fucking hard.

00:57:07.000 Yeah, that's what I mean.

00:57:08.000 Stepping in the ring at 201. He's a huge guy.

00:57:10.000 He's a huge guy.

00:57:11.000 And he's able to get down to 170. Oh, my.

00:57:13.000 He's 24 years old.

00:57:14.000 And he's super technical, too.

00:57:16.000 It's not just big.

00:57:18.000 Right.

00:57:18.000 He's big and real technical.

00:57:21.000 And he stepped into a big fight, late notice, and acted like this is my moment.

00:57:25.000 A lot of guys mentally fold, and he did not.

00:57:28.000 Very confident.

00:57:29.000 There's no folding in that guy.

00:57:30.000 Do you know Vinny Shorman?

00:57:32.000 Vinny does Muay Thai commentary for a bunch of organizations.

00:57:36.000 He's also a fight hypnotist.

00:57:39.000 Really interesting guy.

00:57:41.000 He knows a lot about the Thai world and Thai fighting.

00:57:43.000 He's always talking to me about dudes.

00:57:45.000 When he found out that Till was fighting Cowboy, he was very excited.

00:57:49.000 He called me up or sent me text messages about it.

00:57:51.000 We went back and forth quite a bit.

00:57:53.000 He was like, this guy is something special.

00:57:55.000 He's something special.

00:57:55.000 It really prompted me to go watch some of Till's fights.

00:57:59.000 I was like, holy shit.

00:58:00.000 He's monstrous.

00:58:01.000 And, you know, and Cowboy was like, I ain't watching tape on him.

00:58:05.000 I heard he likes to strike.

00:58:06.000 Good.

00:58:06.000 I love striking.

00:58:08.000 I was like, this fight's gonna be fucking crazy.

00:58:11.000 How tall is Till?

00:58:12.000 He's tall.

00:58:13.000 He's like 6'2", I think.

00:58:14.000 Yikes.

00:58:15.000 Yeah, he's a big fucking guy.

00:58:17.000 Huge right for 170 pounds.

00:58:19.000 He said it.

00:58:19.000 He goes, I'm a light heavyweight.

00:58:21.000 Look at this.

00:58:22.000 Kick him away.

00:58:22.000 Still up!

00:58:23.000 Standing up!

00:58:24.000 Oh, big slam.

00:58:25.000 Good return.

00:58:26.000 So, dominant performance by Usman in the fact that he got in the second and the third round to do really basically what he wanted.

00:58:33.000 Took some punishment on the feet, but here it is.

00:58:36.000 Oh, the full mount now.

00:58:38.000 And he stepped right back in the half guard.

00:58:40.000 Yeah, you see the weaknesses.

00:58:42.000 You see where he needs some improvement.

00:58:44.000 Well, the big one to me is the stand-up.

00:58:46.000 He looks like he's thinking.

00:58:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:58:49.000 Yeah.

00:58:50.000 Like when things are going down, he's thinking.

00:58:52.000 And his instinct is to reach.

00:58:53.000 It's to go, okay, you're reaching.

00:58:55.000 There are guys that will really make you pay for that.

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:58:57.000 I want to see him versus a guy who can really fucking bang.

00:59:00.000 That's why I think that he's bummed out.

00:59:03.000 Emile Mech's bummed out.

00:59:09.000 But I feel like seeing Usman against a guy who might be able to stuff those takedowns and maybe have a little bit faster hands than Mech.

00:59:17.000 Mech is tough and his stand-up is good, but he's just a real strong dude that doesn't have any one overwhelming feature to his game.

00:59:27.000 Whereas a guy like Mike Perry can blow your fucking brains through the back of your head.

00:59:31.000 I mean, that guy hits so goddamn hard.

00:59:33.000 He's so ferocious.

00:59:34.000 I'd like to see him, but I don't think he's going to be able to stop that takedown.

00:59:39.000 This guy's got some fucking wicked wrestling.

00:59:42.000 Interesting, though, he learned a lot tonight, tell you that.

00:59:45.000 A fight like that's good for a guy like him.

00:59:47.000 And we got to see him in vulnerable positions.

00:59:50.000 Did not like the stand-up.

00:59:54.000 Wow.

00:59:54.000 Interesting.

00:59:55.000 And he was in trouble a couple times against a guy who's not super-duper slick on the ground.

01:00:01.000 He was still like, oh, Kimura and the guillotine.

01:00:05.000 Especially the guillotine, like, right away.

01:00:07.000 I mean, what if he had gotten locked up like that with a guy who's like a wicked finisher?

01:00:10.000 Yeah.

01:00:12.000 Christian Bale is the best actor in Hollywood.

01:00:14.000 As long as Daniel Day-Lewis stays making shoes.

01:00:17.000 You know what?

01:00:18.000 Daniel Day-Lewis is my favorite, but I got Christian Bale right there with him.

01:00:21.000 He's right there with him.

01:00:23.000 I love Daniel Day-Lewis, but Christian Bale.

01:00:26.000 Here's a trivia question.

01:00:28.000 What was the one movie he was in?

01:00:30.000 When he was younger, well, he was in two movies.

01:00:33.000 He's been acting since he was six?

01:00:35.000 Empire of the Sun.

01:00:36.000 Thank you, sir.

01:00:37.000 Thank you, sir.

01:00:38.000 Don't even start with me, dude.

01:00:39.000 Jimmy, you don't fuck around.

01:00:41.000 Let's hug it out across the table.

01:00:42.000 Jimmy, I'd love to.

01:00:43.000 There's one more, but you won't get it.

01:00:44.000 It's okay.

01:00:45.000 There's one more.

01:00:46.000 Henry V with Kenneth Branagh.

01:00:47.000 He is a little bit.

01:00:48.000 But I love that you got that.

01:00:49.000 I love you.

01:00:50.000 Empire of the Sun, dude.

01:00:51.000 I'm already impressed.

01:00:51.000 I have a degree in history, dog.

01:00:53.000 So do I. Where'd you go to school?

01:00:57.000 American University.

01:00:58.000 UCLA. Oh, you're awesome.

01:00:59.000 I have a degree in history from UCLA. I was already a fan when I listened to you on Rogan's.

01:01:03.000 I went, this fucking guy is brilliant.

01:01:04.000 But you didn't know.

01:01:05.000 Dude.

01:01:05.000 I love you for that.

01:01:06.000 History trivia.

01:01:07.000 Jimmy's all about it.

01:01:08.000 Thank you, sir.

01:01:09.000 God, I love you.

01:01:09.000 I love that about you.

01:01:11.000 Dude, I'm so happy that you're with the UFC now.

01:01:13.000 Happy to be here, man.

01:01:14.000 Happy to be here.

01:01:15.000 We tried to get you for years.

01:01:17.000 For years.

01:01:18.000 Yeah, man.

01:01:20.000 He's as knowledgeable as he is.

01:01:21.000 There's some guys doing commentary right now, we're just saying, there's a guy who's doing on this fight that we don't know who he is.

01:01:26.000 Who's this guy?

01:01:27.000 Play-by-play.

01:01:28.000 What is his name?

01:01:29.000 Well, there's Paul Felder.

01:01:30.000 Paul Felder's the color.

01:01:32.000 He's the color.

01:01:33.000 He was a theater major, Paul Felder.

01:01:35.000 Was he?

01:01:35.000 Yes, he was.

01:01:37.000 Great guy.

01:01:40.000 I watched him fight a lot, including live, and he just looks like such an animal.

01:01:45.000 So when I met him, I expected this kind of real kind of antisocial, rough guy, and he's the exact opposite.

01:01:53.000 Theater major, very intelligent, just a good sober dude, you know?

01:01:58.000 Super nice guy.

01:01:59.000 Great guy, and just as tough as it gets.

01:02:02.000 Kamaru Usman, clearly, unanimous decision.

01:02:05.000 I'm very impressed with both those guys.

01:02:08.000 Yeah.

01:02:08.000 Fuck.

01:02:10.000 Yeah, interesting fight though.

01:02:12.000 I'm glad that fight happened.

01:02:13.000 Got to see it.

01:02:14.000 But you're right, Usman's going to get more people going to go, oh yeah, I can beat that guy.

01:02:17.000 Which can be good for you.

01:02:18.000 You don't want people running from him.

01:02:20.000 He's going to get guys that are going to be willing to fight him now.

01:02:22.000 Because he's got a strong presence in the top ten.

01:02:26.000 I mean, he's number ten now.

01:02:28.000 Winning this fight probably keeps him in that area because Mech is probably not ranked.

01:02:32.000 Is that hoofed?

01:02:33.000 Is that how many hoofed?

01:02:35.000 Where?

01:02:36.000 Am I looking to the left?

01:02:40.000 Perhaps.

01:02:41.000 I don't know.

01:02:42.000 Right there?

01:02:44.000 So you guys are saying people are going to want to fight him now?

01:02:47.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:02:48.000 More than there were before.

01:02:50.000 He's no picnic.

01:02:53.000 He's like an African Khabib.

01:02:55.000 No, he could beat a lot of guys, no doubt about it.

01:02:58.000 Well, there were some vulnerabilities in there.

01:03:00.000 Yeah, not like Khabib.

01:03:02.000 I think he's very good, don't get me wrong, but I think that Emile, without real fast hands, showed some real vulnerabilities.

01:03:11.000 Okay, let's put it this way.

01:03:13.000 If Calvin Gastelum could really make 170 be healthy, like if he got Mike Dolce on speed dial and said, Mike, let's work this out.

01:03:21.000 Let's just make this work out, baby.

01:03:23.000 Come on.

01:03:25.000 We both know 70 is where it's at, and if they actually did figure out a way to get a good meal plan, drop them down the way Michael Johnson looked, you know...

01:03:35.000 Calvin's got way better hands.

01:03:37.000 And Calvin's tough to take down.

01:03:39.000 He's a real good wrestler.

01:03:40.000 He never gets fucking tired.

01:03:42.000 His endurance is phenomenal.

01:03:44.000 Compact, hard to get underneath and take down.

01:03:45.000 He's a nasty southpaw.

01:03:46.000 And that fucking right jab, straight left behind it, is surprising.

01:03:51.000 It's got snap to it.

01:03:53.000 When he cracked Bisping with that shit, when it was like, and you see Bisping's head snap back, you're like, there's some pop to that dude's punches.

01:04:01.000 He stopped Vitor that way, same way.

01:04:03.000 He's a motherfucker, that Kelvin Gastelum.

01:04:05.000 See, I would love to see that.

01:04:07.000 I mean, obviously, Kelvin's campaigning at 185 now, and maybe he's going to stay there.

01:04:11.000 No, he wants to go back down 170. I would love to see that fight.

01:04:14.000 That's what I want to see.

01:04:16.000 I want to see Kelvin versus Kamaru Usman.

01:04:18.000 I think that's a real good fight because I don't think Kelvin's ranked at 170, right?

01:04:23.000 Because he's been fighting at 85, right?

01:04:25.000 Right now he's not ranked at 170. So he goes down to 70 in Usman's top 10. Immediately he's ranked, you know, if he can beat Usman.

01:04:34.000 And it's a big if because Usman's a hell of a fucking wrestler.

01:04:37.000 And 185 has some monsters at the top.

01:04:39.000 Monsters.

01:04:40.000 Just monsters, dude.

01:04:42.000 Fucking so bummed out that they canceled this fight.

01:04:44.000 What?

01:04:45.000 Robert Whitaker.

01:04:46.000 No.

01:04:47.000 What happened?

01:04:48.000 They threw in Yoel Romero.

01:04:49.000 Yoel Romero's going to fight for the interim title against Luke Rockhold, which is a lovely, lovely fight.

01:04:55.000 That's legit, by the way.

01:04:56.000 But not a lot of time.

01:04:57.000 What happened to Whitaker?

01:04:57.000 That's February, right?

01:04:59.000 No.

01:04:59.000 When is that?

01:05:00.000 No, it's February, what I'm saying.

01:05:02.000 But he was already on the card.

01:05:03.000 He was supposed to fight...

01:05:04.000 Yoel was?

01:05:05.000 Brunson?

01:05:06.000 Oh, okay.

01:05:07.000 So he was our least in camp for that date, which is huge.

01:05:10.000 That's good.

01:05:11.000 What's wrong with Whitaker?

01:05:12.000 What injury?

01:05:13.000 Did they announce it?

01:05:14.000 I think they announced it.

01:05:14.000 If I had to guess, I would bet it's his knee.

01:05:16.000 His knee got fucked up in that fight with Yoel.

01:05:19.000 Yoel sidekicked his knee and hyperextended it.

01:05:23.000 And he came back and he said, my knee's fucked in between rounds.

01:05:26.000 And still stuffed the takedowns and still beat him standing.

01:05:29.000 He's just tough.

01:05:30.000 He's Maori, right?

01:05:32.000 Yeah, but he's got a lot of tearing.

01:05:35.000 There's a lot of tears going on in that knee.

01:05:37.000 So he's going to have to figure out what the fuck to do about all that.

01:05:41.000 Your knees and your head are not made for sport, for combat sport, that's for sure.

01:05:44.000 Not at all.

01:05:44.000 Yeah, man, it's a real bummer when guys start having knee entries, repeated knee entries.

01:05:50.000 Like, until they get that ironed out and settled in, it's like it's always suspect.

01:05:54.000 That shit's always given out.

01:05:55.000 And then your training changes, so then your ability inside the octagon changes.

01:06:00.000 So many things change.

01:06:01.000 And meanwhile, Eddie Bravo's over here hoping dudes get their legs ripped apart.

01:06:04.000 He doesn't give a fuck.

01:06:05.000 Eddie's all quiet.

01:06:06.000 Really?

01:06:06.000 No, I just wanted you to talk.

01:06:09.000 He'll be quiet.

01:06:11.000 But Javier Vasquez was a guy who was right about to break through when that happened.

01:06:15.000 Javier's knees were fucked before he ever got.

01:06:16.000 I know, I know.

01:06:18.000 His knees are real bad.

01:06:19.000 In the Alberto Crane fight.

01:06:20.000 He couldn't stand up.

01:06:21.000 King of the Cage.

01:06:21.000 Remember that?

01:06:22.000 Well, he had a blown ACL. I commented on that fight.

01:06:25.000 Did you?

01:06:25.000 I remember that fight.

01:06:26.000 That was my last one.

01:06:27.000 I remember him sitting down.

01:06:29.000 He blew it.

01:06:30.000 You were drunk?

01:06:31.000 Yeah.

01:06:32.000 I took shots.

01:06:33.000 That's hilarious.

01:06:34.000 I knew it was my last show.

01:06:35.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:06:36.000 Yeah.

01:06:36.000 Oh, man.

01:06:37.000 We went off.

01:06:38.000 Me and Eric Apple did it.

01:06:39.000 That's Eric Apple.

01:06:40.000 That's hilarious.

01:06:41.000 I got to see that now.

01:06:43.000 Eric Apple.

01:06:43.000 Damn.

01:06:43.000 But Alberto Crane, great jujitsu guy.

01:06:45.000 And Javier Vasquez, great jujitsu guy.

01:06:47.000 And it was for the King of the Cage title.

01:06:48.000 Yeah.

01:06:48.000 And Javi was about to break through.

01:06:50.000 If Javi just stopped from the injury, if he just let go and said, look, I'm injured, I'm going to stop this fight, his career would have taken a completely different path.

01:07:00.000 His mental toughness, his ability to endure and fight with that ACL, it kept blowing out during the fight.

01:07:06.000 He just kept giving out, so he must have chewed up the whole inside of his fucking leg, his meniscus and all that shit, but still went on to be a really good fighter in MMA and a really good fucking submission grappler.

01:07:19.000 Fought in EBI a bunch of times with those knees.

01:07:23.000 Didn't he run into some health issues recently?

01:07:26.000 Cancer, I believe.

01:07:28.000 He just beat it.

01:07:28.000 He got on the Gerson method.

01:07:31.000 Who is this?

01:07:32.000 Javi Vasquez.

01:07:33.000 What's the Gerson method?

01:07:35.000 A lot of juicing, like coffee enemas.

01:07:39.000 Does that make sense?

01:07:40.000 Okay.

01:07:41.000 Juicing, coffee enemas?

01:07:43.000 Something like that.

01:07:44.000 What kind of cancer was it?

01:07:45.000 It worked.

01:07:46.000 What kind of cancer did he have?

01:07:47.000 He had...

01:07:48.000 um...

01:07:52.000 Colon cancer.

01:07:53.000 Okay, so that makes sense with the enemas.

01:07:55.000 It's not a joke.

01:07:56.000 Fuck, man.

01:07:57.000 So he beat it.

01:07:57.000 That's beautiful.

01:07:58.000 God, it's easy.

01:07:59.000 At 50, you should all have...

01:08:01.000 Like, I had to get my fucking colon.

01:08:03.000 Figure up your butthole?

01:08:04.000 I got a clean butthole.

01:08:05.000 Now, they stick a tube up there.

01:08:07.000 Did you, like, wrap your legs around your arms like this here?

01:08:11.000 There was a private...

01:08:12.000 And, like, let him in there?

01:08:13.000 That's a private question.

01:08:15.000 Did you, like, get up in there?

01:08:16.000 He smelled like cologne.

01:08:17.000 He's right now showing you.

01:08:18.000 My doctor smelled like cologne, and he was a really nice guy.

01:08:21.000 And he didn't wear gloves.

01:08:23.000 I love how you're showing us how it's done, Joe.

01:08:25.000 Like, check this out.

01:08:26.000 That's how you do it, bro.

01:08:27.000 And his breath smelled like pineapple.

01:08:29.000 Yeah, that's all I'm going to say.

01:08:31.000 Everything else is none of your business.

01:08:33.000 I was talking to a guy the other day that had mint breath over shit breath.

01:08:38.000 Oh, that's terrible.

01:08:38.000 And it was so confusing.

01:08:40.000 That's a terrible story.

01:08:41.000 Somebody told him that his breath smelled like shit, and so he was eating mints, but it wasn't good enough.

01:08:48.000 So it was like, I was...

01:08:50.000 You know what it was like, man?

01:08:51.000 It was confusing.

01:08:54.000 It was like there's two signals that were clashing with each other at the same time.

01:08:57.000 Do you want to know what's awful for folks listening at home that aren't broadcasters?

01:09:01.000 I'm not naming names.

01:09:02.000 We're not going to name any names to broadcast with somebody whose breast stinks.

01:09:05.000 Because they turn to you, and you have to stay close to them to stay in the two-shot.

01:09:09.000 That's a problem.

01:09:09.000 And you can't go, ugh!

01:09:11.000 You can't react at all.

01:09:13.000 It's a problem.

01:09:13.000 And it is, I brush my teeth...

01:09:15.000 Like, religiously, when I'm doing camera stuff, because I'm in someone's face talking to them.

01:09:20.000 And I've been on the receiving end of that, and been like, this...

01:09:23.000 And you can't make a face, you can't do anything.

01:09:25.000 After shows, when you take pictures with people, girls and guys, sometimes you're just like, God damn it, I don't know what's going on.

01:09:32.000 They say when people don't eat a lot, like if you...

01:09:34.000 Acidity?

01:09:35.000 Yeah.

01:09:35.000 Is that real?

01:09:36.000 Like if you fast?

01:09:37.000 So there are different things.

01:09:38.000 I know with chronic halitosis, apparently it's the sulfates on your tongue.

01:09:44.000 Whoa.

01:09:45.000 So typically, I guess the...

01:09:48.000 So the chemicals, I guess the sulfur, everybody has different compounds in their mouth.

01:09:52.000 And for whatever reason, I don't know, but essentially what you're smelling is sulfur.

01:09:58.000 It's a derivative of sulfur or some kind of sulfur.

01:10:01.000 And it's because there's a chemical problem in your mouth.

01:10:05.000 And they can actually address it with things.

01:10:08.000 And, oh, by the way, palatosis can also be from liver disease.

01:10:12.000 So if you have liver disease, you...

01:10:16.000 No shit.

01:10:17.000 Liver disease makes your...

01:10:18.000 Diabetes, liver disease, stuff like that.

01:10:22.000 Wow.

01:10:23.000 Wow, that's interesting.

01:10:24.000 That's one of the ways they check.

01:10:26.000 Yeah.

01:10:27.000 Whoa.

01:10:28.000 And then, of course, it can be an abscess behind your tooth and all that shit, which is a disaster.

01:10:32.000 Yeah, that's a big one, man.

01:10:33.000 That's a big one.

01:10:34.000 But liver disease and diabetics...

01:10:36.000 Dude, I had a cracked filling, and they took the filling out, and the fucking smell that came out of my mouth, I was like, holy shit!

01:10:45.000 Because the filling had cracked and there was an infection.

01:10:49.000 I wound up getting a root canal.

01:10:51.000 And so as I'm getting this thing opened up, they break through this pocket where all this pus and rot is.

01:10:59.000 Oh, dude, it was so nasty.

01:11:01.000 That sounds awful.

01:11:02.000 You could hear it pop through and then just this fucking shit breath.

01:11:07.000 My father's friend, he was sleeping.

01:11:11.000 His wife said, you have to go to the dentist.

01:11:13.000 He said, why?

01:11:14.000 He goes, your breath is so out of control.

01:11:18.000 And they've been married for 25 years, so he goes, Jesus, alright, so check this out.

01:11:24.000 So apparently he had an abscess, a sack of bacteria in the back of his mouth.

01:11:30.000 Well, when they, I guess, took the tooth out of the filling out and they popped by accident the sack, the nurse threw up.

01:11:42.000 And the fucking dentist, the dentist walked into the room at that moment and pulled his mask off and threw the fuck up as well.

01:11:50.000 No way!

01:11:54.000 It was a double vomit fest.

01:11:57.000 Can you imagine?

01:11:58.000 And that happened.

01:12:00.000 Did she puke on him or what?

01:12:03.000 She didn't puke on him, she just puked.

01:12:05.000 Did they pop the sacks?

01:12:08.000 And then Dennis walked in and went, he had his mask on and he went, he got his mask off just barely in time and went, like that.

01:12:16.000 It was that bad.

01:12:18.000 That's so crazy.

01:12:20.000 That's so crazy.

01:12:22.000 I never have the balls to tell someone their breath stinks, though.

01:12:25.000 If you work with them, you have to.

01:12:29.000 I would tell friends, and I would want them to tell me.

01:12:31.000 If your breath stinks, I'm going to tell you, I'll tell you.

01:12:33.000 And I would want you to tell me.

01:12:34.000 Of course.

01:12:35.000 That's one cool thing about black people.

01:12:36.000 They'll tell you if your breath stinks.

01:12:38.000 They will tell you.

01:12:40.000 Black people have no problem with that.

01:12:42.000 I watched Flava Flav on Love of Rock or some shit.

01:12:45.000 I'm a fucking pussy.

01:12:46.000 I once got a head from a girl.

01:12:48.000 She would come over and give me a massage.

01:12:50.000 She wasn't very good looking, but she was down to give a massage.

01:12:53.000 By the time you're done with the massage, she wanted to give me oral pleasure.

01:12:58.000 Long time ago.

01:12:59.000 But she used her teeth.

01:13:00.000 Oh boy.

01:13:01.000 Wow.

01:13:01.000 And I didn't have the fucking courage to tell her.

01:13:04.000 She thought I was enjoying it, but I was like, ow!

01:13:09.000 Fuck!

01:13:10.000 She's going, oh my god.

01:13:11.000 She's looking at me, winking at me and shit.

01:13:13.000 And she's scraping her teeth.

01:13:15.000 She's such a good guy.

01:13:19.000 And every time she came over, I was like, here we go.

01:13:24.000 I'm a pussy.

01:13:29.000 You're just trying to survive!

01:13:32.000 A girl's pussy can reek and I'm not gonna tell her.

01:13:37.000 That's a tough one.

01:13:40.000 I'm not telling girl shit.

01:13:41.000 I gotta be a gentleman.

01:13:43.000 Okay, but if you're a girl...

01:13:44.000 And you have a problem, you have a yeast infection, and if someone doesn't let you know, you're not going to get it treated.

01:13:50.000 There's a problem.

01:13:51.000 It's true.

01:13:52.000 It's delicate.

01:13:52.000 It's a delicate situation.

01:13:53.000 But you're not always going to get a rational reaction.

01:13:56.000 I did tell one girl.

01:13:57.000 She went, oh, thank you.

01:13:58.000 Medically, I feel much better.

01:13:59.000 That's not going to be the reaction.

01:14:01.000 I'll tell you this story.

01:14:02.000 They're going to get mad at you.

01:14:02.000 Isn't that weird?

01:14:03.000 They'll get mad at you if their pussy stinks.

01:14:04.000 Well, there was a girl that I was in New York.

01:14:07.000 I was a young man, and she was very sexy.

01:14:11.000 I feel like the Incredible Hulk music should be playing right now.

01:14:13.000 I know.

01:14:14.000 She met me with a hat on.

01:14:15.000 I remember this weird thing.

01:14:16.000 She met me with a hat on.

01:14:17.000 I picked her up and she goes, good, thank God.

01:14:20.000 I thought you were going to be bald.

01:14:20.000 I was like 20. Thanks.

01:14:22.000 Thanks, dude.

01:14:23.000 I go, alright, whatever.

01:14:24.000 Two bald guys here.

01:14:24.000 And she and I, we got to business and then she began to give me oral pleasure.

01:14:30.000 After I'd gotten her kind of naked, and she had a hairy butt.

01:14:34.000 She had a hairy back.

01:14:36.000 Like, you know, some people can be super dark-haired, and it was fine fur.

01:14:41.000 It was very fine fur.

01:14:42.000 It was girl fur, but it's still a problem, bro, because...

01:14:46.000 The hair fanned out.

01:14:48.000 It started with the back and it was on the old rumper, stillskins.

01:14:51.000 And that was very hard for me to keep it.

01:14:53.000 I had to avert my eyes.

01:14:56.000 Was the instinct to laugh or to be like this guy?

01:14:59.000 No, I'm curious what the instinct was.

01:15:01.000 She had a big dick.

01:15:03.000 No, I'm kidding.

01:15:07.000 There's no way I was going to...

01:15:09.000 What do I say?

01:15:10.000 You're too hairy on your back and you're rump.

01:15:13.000 I just dealt with it.

01:15:15.000 I did pull out a medical book on one girl, though.

01:15:17.000 I liked her a lot.

01:15:19.000 She ended up being my girlfriend.

01:15:20.000 I showed her that she had a B vitamin deficiency.

01:15:24.000 And that's why there was problems down there.

01:15:27.000 Oh, wow.

01:15:27.000 She got all into vitamins.

01:15:29.000 She was a vitamin freak from that point on.

01:15:31.000 And you know what?

01:15:32.000 But you did her a favor.

01:15:33.000 There you go, man.

01:15:34.000 I went on a date with a girl who had the worst breath in the world.

01:15:36.000 And I knew her in college.

01:15:38.000 And I said to her friend, I said, what happened with her?

01:15:41.000 I go, you want me to be honest?

01:15:42.000 I said, her breath was so bad I could smell it when we were standing at the elevator.

01:15:45.000 And she screamed.

01:15:46.000 She went, oh, my God!

01:15:47.000 We've always felt that way.

01:15:49.000 And they were friends with her.

01:15:50.000 And I said, none of you told her?

01:15:52.000 Her life is, she'll never find somebody if you don't tell her.

01:15:56.000 I couldn't tell her.

01:15:57.000 Guys will tell you quick.

01:15:58.000 Like a group of guys, I'd be like, Joe, you gotta take care of this now.

01:16:01.000 A group of guy friends will.

01:16:02.000 But I couldn't say it to the girl because I just felt, you know.

01:16:05.000 I would thank you.

01:16:05.000 I think it's important.

01:16:06.000 Paige Van Zandt loves that jump and switch kick.

01:16:09.000 She does.

01:16:09.000 That jump and roundhouse kick.

01:16:10.000 Back to the fighting, by the way.

01:16:12.000 And Paige Van Zandt, and who is Clark?

01:16:15.000 What is her first name?

01:16:17.000 Ooh, nice leg kick.

01:16:18.000 Jessica Clarke.

01:16:19.000 Is that it?

01:16:21.000 Did you just make that up?

01:16:22.000 No, that's what it is.

01:16:23.000 Oh, okay.

01:16:24.000 The way he said it was like, it was a tint of a joke to it.

01:16:27.000 Ooh, wow.

01:16:28.000 Paige Van Zandt is throwing a lot of wild, leaping in shit.

01:16:32.000 Casey Halstead, head instructor at 10th Planet Las Vegas, is working with her.

01:16:37.000 With Clark?

01:16:38.000 Yes.

01:16:39.000 Or with Paige?

01:16:39.000 Clark.

01:16:40.000 Isn't it funny how I feel bad about telling that story about the girl with the hair on her back?

01:16:43.000 It was 25 years ago.

01:16:45.000 Well, I mean, you know.

01:16:46.000 I'm sure she's not listening to this.

01:16:48.000 I was going to say.

01:16:48.000 You outed me.

01:16:49.000 Aw, that jerk.

01:16:50.000 Paige loves that jumping roundhouse cake.

01:16:53.000 Paige is busy here, man.

01:16:55.000 But she got tagged several clean...

01:16:58.000 This girl, Clark has some clean striking.

01:17:02.000 Good counters.

01:17:03.000 Yeah, now see, that was the problem when we were talking about the Cyborg-Holly home fight.

01:17:07.000 She would get in quick and then eat that counter every time.

01:17:10.000 Paige is in trouble.

01:17:11.000 On her back, side control.

01:17:14.000 Not good.

01:17:14.000 What do you want to do here?

01:17:15.000 Stand up right away?

01:17:16.000 If you're on the bottom?

01:17:17.000 If you're Clark.

01:17:18.000 Either get guard or get up.

01:17:20.000 Brian, you're hilarious.

01:17:21.000 What do you want to do here?

01:17:21.000 Win?

01:17:22.000 What do you want to do here?

01:17:22.000 Do you want to drive your fist into her face here?

01:17:25.000 Want to kick her ass?

01:17:27.000 Hook.

01:17:27.000 One hook.

01:17:29.000 Edgy Brav.

01:17:29.000 I need Edgy Brav there.

01:17:31.000 Oh, standing arm triangle.

01:17:32.000 Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, Paige.

01:17:34.000 Uh-oh.

01:17:34.000 She can jump to full guard right there.

01:17:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:36.000 Right?

01:17:37.000 Come on, Paige.

01:17:38.000 You mean, what's her name?

01:17:39.000 Clark.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, Clark.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, she has an arm triangle, but it's hard to finish standing.

01:17:43.000 You can do it.

01:17:44.000 Now here, it's much more serious.

01:17:46.000 Paige's in trouble.

01:17:47.000 Three minutes to go, she's in trouble.

01:17:49.000 And she doesn't have the best guard.

01:17:51.000 Now you want to be on the phone here, don't you?

01:17:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:53.000 She wanted to be on the phone.

01:17:54.000 She's off.

01:17:55.000 She's off.

01:17:55.000 She's off the phone now.

01:17:56.000 No, no.

01:17:57.000 She's still not out of the woods yet.

01:17:58.000 She's still in trouble, but not nearly as bad.

01:18:01.000 Plenty of space.

01:18:01.000 Why?

01:18:01.000 Because her elbow is not tight to her neck?

01:18:03.000 It keeps the elbow from going across your neck.

01:18:05.000 If you're like this.

01:18:06.000 So you want to extend your arm here?

01:18:07.000 You want to be here?

01:18:08.000 Here's not as good.

01:18:09.000 You want to be on the phone, but even that, if somebody's real strong, it's not going to save you.

01:18:13.000 She wants her right arm to underhook her neck.

01:18:17.000 That didn't help Ryan Stan when he got choked up by a chill.

01:18:20.000 He was on the phone there.

01:18:23.000 The guy's got a strong squeeze.

01:18:25.000 But here's the thing.

01:18:26.000 She's got to get out of this half guard, and she wants to be on the same side as the choke.

01:18:29.000 Zach Makovsky had his leg in the escape, and Dante's put him out.

01:18:33.000 Damn.

01:18:34.000 Yeah, it could, especially, like, if you do the impaler, do you know, Eddie, you still use that?

01:18:40.000 That knee to the chest when separating that?

01:18:42.000 Yes, I brought it back recently, yes.

01:18:43.000 The impaler's legit.

01:18:45.000 Like, that knee, that escape where you're holding onto your own knee, it's not good enough.

01:18:49.000 If the guy knows that impaler move and he gets that knee to your chest and puts that crush down, I like that all day.

01:18:55.000 I think the time you spend defending that, you're getting your ribs crushed and It's so much pressure on you, and if you make the decision to try to defend that and push that away, you're going to give up more of the choke.

01:19:07.000 Eddie, how do you get Tony Ferguson prepared?

01:19:11.000 It's kind of a weird question, but with that kind of wrestling and with the same kind of pressure, how do you deal with that kind of pressure?

01:19:18.000 We've been working on that since day one, right?

01:19:21.000 You mean like getting prepared for Khabib?

01:19:22.000 How do you get prepared for a dude who can wear you like that?

01:19:24.000 Well, he's not really necessarily fighting Khabib yet.

01:19:27.000 There's no schedule, but that's my prediction.

01:19:30.000 You gotta be thinking about it.

01:19:30.000 You gotta at least be thinking about it.

01:19:32.000 If it doesn't happen next, it's gonna happen eventually.

01:19:33.000 It's gonna happen.

01:19:34.000 So we prepared for that.

01:19:36.000 You know, when we were working on the Rafael Dos Andres fight, We were still thinking wrestling.

01:19:44.000 Khabib's in the mix.

01:19:46.000 We have to be working on countering.

01:19:50.000 It's not going to be easy.

01:19:53.000 Well, it paid off big in the Kevin Lee fight, right?

01:19:56.000 Same thing.

01:19:57.000 Same camp.

01:19:58.000 Kevin Lee's a wrestler, good passer, loves to take the back, has a good rear naked choke.

01:20:03.000 Same thing.

01:20:07.000 Yeah, so Paige is in a lot of trouble here.

01:20:11.000 She's just defending and fighting for her life here off the bottom.

01:20:14.000 And Clark has not really advanced any further than this one position where she keeps trying to get this head and arm choke.

01:20:21.000 She can't quite get it.

01:20:25.000 Eddie, would you like to see her in a situation like this where she keeps going to it over and over?

01:20:29.000 Would you like to see her just try to get out of that half guard first?

01:20:32.000 Exactly.

01:20:33.000 Keep the position, keep that head on the ground, keep her arm trapped, but you gotta pass the guard.

01:20:38.000 She's slant a nice elbow.

01:20:39.000 Gotta get to the chopping block.

01:20:41.000 Okay, she's slicing through now.

01:20:43.000 Now because Paige went after it.

01:20:46.000 Okay, that left leg's in play.

01:20:48.000 Back to half guard.

01:20:50.000 But almost out.

01:20:51.000 Oh no.

01:20:52.000 Not enough time.

01:20:54.000 She's just going to try to smash now.

01:20:56.000 Might as well.

01:20:58.000 Half guard is the same whether you're trying to pass it or whether you're trying to use it.

01:21:02.000 There are submissions from half guard.

01:21:04.000 And there are submissions when you're passing half guard.

01:21:05.000 They're just hard to pull off.

01:21:07.000 It's always easier to get around guard.

01:21:09.000 Do you remember Hegan's...

01:21:09.000 It's always easy to get around guard first.

01:21:11.000 Eddie, do you remember Hegan Machado's version of the Twister?

01:21:14.000 He had a different version of the Twister?

01:21:16.000 Yes, yes.

01:21:16.000 He asked me to show it to him one day, and I was like, I was a purple belt, and I couldn't believe a black belt, a legend.

01:21:22.000 Like, Hegan Machado wanted...

01:21:23.000 He called me over and wanted basically a private on the Twister.

01:21:27.000 Yeah.

01:21:27.000 And...

01:21:29.000 He remembered it wrong and came up with a whole different version.

01:21:33.000 So he called it the Higgins Twister.

01:21:35.000 And only like three people can do it.

01:21:37.000 And it's amazing though.

01:21:38.000 It's amazing, man.

01:21:40.000 Ryan Gregg is one of his black belts.

01:21:43.000 I remember Ryan Gregg very well.

01:21:45.000 He's the best at it.

01:21:46.000 It's a crazy...

01:21:47.000 I wouldn't know how to do it right now.

01:21:50.000 Oh, interesting.

01:21:51.000 It's weird.

01:21:52.000 Very strange.

01:21:53.000 When you say that only a few people can do it, what's the separating thing?

01:21:57.000 What keeps them from being able to do it?

01:22:01.000 It's just so unorthodox and so crazy.

01:22:04.000 It's like some kind of pro wrestling move.

01:22:06.000 But it works!

01:22:07.000 It's legit!

01:22:08.000 It's almost like from Half Guard, right?

01:22:10.000 Like on top in Half Guard?

01:22:11.000 I don't even remember.

01:22:12.000 It just twists the body in a weird way.

01:22:15.000 It's kind of...

01:22:17.000 So, in a regular Twister, you would be underneath with your half guard locked around the left leg, and you'd be pulling on the head with your hands clasped together.

01:22:28.000 But his was from the top position, right?

01:22:30.000 Is that Higgin Twister?

01:22:31.000 Is that Higgin Twister?

01:22:32.000 Oh, here we go.

01:22:34.000 It doesn't say that.

01:22:35.000 It says...

01:22:37.000 Half guard back take to Twister.

01:22:40.000 Oh, this is different.

01:22:41.000 That won't be it.

01:22:42.000 This is different.

01:22:42.000 It's got to say R-I-G-A-N Higgins Twister.

01:22:47.000 Higgins Machado Twister.

01:22:49.000 He had his own weird...

01:22:50.000 He might not have ever put it on YouTube.

01:22:52.000 Probably highly likely didn't.

01:22:53.000 But it might be up there.

01:22:54.000 Someone might know it.

01:22:56.000 This video came from that search.

01:22:58.000 That's why I was kind of guessing.

01:22:59.000 It's so amazing.

01:23:00.000 It's endless.

01:23:01.000 It really is, man.

01:23:02.000 Oh, look at Paige.

01:23:03.000 Paige gets to take down.

01:23:04.000 Paige on top.

01:23:06.000 I should have stuck with it.

01:23:07.000 I'm jealous of Amy.

01:23:07.000 Well, you can still go back to it, man.

01:23:09.000 I like boxing so much.

01:23:10.000 Dude, Anthony Bourdain.

01:23:11.000 Sam Tripoli came back.

01:23:12.000 Did he?

01:23:13.000 Yeah.

01:23:13.000 When?

01:23:13.000 He started recently.

01:23:16.000 Beautiful.

01:23:16.000 Yeah, with Scott Ross.

01:23:17.000 He went down.

01:23:18.000 Beautiful.

01:23:19.000 Where's Scott at these days?

01:23:21.000 He's teaching at HQ. In the daytime?

01:23:24.000 Yeah.

01:23:25.000 Daytime and nighttime.

01:23:26.000 Well, Kron has a school in...

01:23:28.000 Culver City.

01:23:29.000 Right.

01:23:29.000 Is it Playa Vista or Culver City?

01:23:31.000 Yeah, right on that border.

01:23:32.000 Yeah, you could go there.

01:23:33.000 Look, you're in Venice.

01:23:34.000 You're near a lot of places.

01:23:35.000 There's a lot of people that could teach you down there.

01:23:38.000 Easy take time.

01:23:39.000 And, well, your boy Hanato's still down there.

01:23:41.000 Yeah.

01:23:41.000 Hanato Magno?

01:23:42.000 Where's he at?

01:23:43.000 I don't know.

01:23:44.000 I've got to figure it out.

01:23:45.000 He's still in the same spot?

01:23:46.000 Yeah.

01:23:48.000 I like boxing so much, though.

01:23:49.000 It's so hard.

01:23:50.000 I miss.

01:23:53.000 It's so hard.

01:23:54.000 It's so fucking hard.

01:23:56.000 You mean physically?

01:23:57.000 Learning how to fucking spar, learning how to slip a jab.

01:24:00.000 Don't you miss their own kicks?

01:24:02.000 Yeah, of course I do.

01:24:05.000 So why don't you take more time?

01:24:06.000 I'd like to.

01:24:07.000 Where's a good school?

01:24:08.000 There's got to be a bunch near you, dude.

01:24:10.000 Anybody who can't find a good MMA or karate or jiu-jitsu or anything school in MMA, in LA, this is the spot.

01:24:19.000 I know.

01:24:20.000 I mean, how many goddamn jiu-jitsu schools are there?

01:24:23.000 Eddie, how many 10th planets are there just in LA? I'll go to 10th planet.

01:24:27.000 Let's call LA the Southern California area that doesn't include San Diego.

01:24:32.000 How many 10th planets are there here?

01:24:34.000 Including San Diego?

01:24:35.000 Or not?

01:24:36.000 Let's not include San Diego.

01:24:38.000 LA? LA County.

01:24:39.000 LA, like, uh, probably 10. Isn't that amazing?

01:24:43.000 It's crazy.

01:24:44.000 It's amazing.

01:24:46.000 It's amazing.

01:24:46.000 Almost 100 worldwide.

01:24:48.000 Goddamn.

01:24:49.000 It's amazing.

01:24:50.000 That's a lot.

01:24:50.000 Eddie the Innovator.

01:24:51.000 I can't believe it.

01:24:52.000 Hashtag ballin'.

01:24:53.000 You earned it.

01:24:55.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:24:55.000 You figured it out.

01:24:56.000 I work hard.

01:24:57.000 You do work hard.

01:24:58.000 And you're innovative.

01:24:59.000 Thank you, sir.

01:25:00.000 You're both.

01:25:01.000 You're an artist.

01:25:02.000 I don't think anybody gets by in this crazy competitive world unless you've got both.

01:25:06.000 You've got to be working hard and you've got to be thinking hard.

01:25:10.000 You've got to be creative, but you've also got to be disciplined.

01:25:16.000 Ooh!

01:25:17.000 Ooh!

01:25:18.000 Ooh!

01:25:19.000 Oh, taking it back!

01:25:21.000 Oh, beautiful Paige Van Zandt!

01:25:23.000 Triangle!

01:25:24.000 Right into it!

01:25:25.000 Real close!

01:25:25.000 Almost!

01:25:26.000 Almost!

01:25:27.000 So close!

01:25:28.000 So close!

01:25:29.000 So close!

01:25:31.000 Not quite there!

01:25:33.000 Oh, now we're talking!

01:25:34.000 Now we're talking!

01:25:36.000 She's going armbar!

01:25:36.000 Now she's fucked!

01:25:37.000 Paige's fucked!

01:25:38.000 Yeah, because it's under the armpit!

01:25:39.000 She's like 8 out of 10 fucked!

01:25:41.000 If she pulled the arm across, she'd be totally fucked.

01:25:43.000 Now she's fucked more.

01:25:45.000 She's a lot of time.

01:25:45.000 A lot of time.

01:25:46.000 What do you do here?

01:25:47.000 Well, you have the arm bar option under the armpit, or you pull it across and get the regular triangle.

01:25:51.000 All she's got to do is pull her head.

01:25:53.000 She's just got to pull her head.

01:25:54.000 What Paige is doing right there is a good move.

01:25:56.000 Punch her in the face.

01:25:57.000 Punch her in the face.

01:25:58.000 Get that arm.

01:25:58.000 She's going to take that arm right there.

01:25:59.000 She's coming into the arm now.

01:26:00.000 Paige is tough as shit.

01:26:01.000 Fuck yeah, she is.

01:26:02.000 Fucking tough as shit.

01:26:03.000 She's a little animal.

01:26:04.000 She really is, man.

01:26:05.000 She's got to pull her head.

01:26:06.000 Cover her nose now.

01:26:07.000 That's all she should be thinking.

01:26:09.000 Pulling her head.

01:26:10.000 Pulling her head.

01:26:11.000 She's trying to get that on the other side.

01:26:12.000 Now she's got it.

01:26:13.000 Now she's got it.

01:26:15.000 Oh, the full wrap-up.

01:26:16.000 Oh, shit.

01:26:16.000 Wrap-em.

01:26:17.000 Wrap it up.

01:26:18.000 Wrap it up.

01:26:19.000 Wrap it up.

01:26:20.000 That's got to be very tight.

01:26:21.000 She ain't going to tap, man.

01:26:22.000 I'm telling you.

01:26:22.000 This girl doesn't go to sleep.

01:26:23.000 She's not tapping.

01:26:24.000 You're going to have to put her to sleep.

01:26:26.000 Damn, Paige is tough as shit!

01:26:29.000 Look at all the time.

01:26:32.000 37 seconds to go and she might make it out of this fucking round.

01:26:35.000 Paige is an animal.

01:26:36.000 She is an animal.

01:26:37.000 I'm so impressed with that girl.

01:26:38.000 I mean, how many girls are as hot as her that are that fucking tough?

01:26:41.000 Oh, it's going over the foot now.

01:26:43.000 I think they're both adorable.

01:26:45.000 Maybe that's because I'm an old man.

01:26:47.000 It's over the foot now.

01:26:48.000 Not as good.

01:26:49.000 Yeah, she's dropping bows.

01:26:51.000 Dropping hard bows.

01:26:53.000 She's got to go over the ankle and toes up.

01:26:55.000 She's got to angle and finish and she's going to run out of time.

01:27:02.000 Why isn't she pulling the head?

01:27:05.000 She hasn't really committed to it.

01:27:07.000 No pulling the head.

01:27:09.000 She was trying to wrap the legs up.

01:27:11.000 She was trying to pull with the legs.

01:27:13.000 There was a Ben Saunders fight.

01:27:14.000 He fought a guy, Brian Baker, a fight that I called.

01:27:17.000 He was doing like 10 different moves.

01:27:20.000 And he ended up losing that fight.

01:27:21.000 And at the end, he's in the middle of these transitions or whatever.

01:27:24.000 And I think my broadcast part of the time goes, man, this is great transitions.

01:27:28.000 I go, the problem is nobody taps to a toehold triangle armbar wrist lock.

01:27:32.000 It's the one you commit to.

01:27:34.000 And too many guys...

01:27:35.000 Five transitions.

01:27:36.000 Look at his transition.

01:27:37.000 Yeah, but the one that gets you is the one you commit to all the way 100%.

01:27:40.000 And he didn't do that enough.

01:27:42.000 He ended up going in and losing a decision.

01:27:44.000 But if he chained to one and one stuck, you'd be impressed by it.

01:27:48.000 Right.

01:27:48.000 It's all a matter of whether or not one sticks.

01:27:50.000 But what I didn't see, I didn't see that commitment to that one.

01:27:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:54.000 I think she had the armor and the triangle.

01:27:56.000 It was kind of halfway with all of them.

01:27:57.000 I think she just needed to pull ahead.

01:27:58.000 Yeah.

01:27:59.000 Just grab the back of the head and just count it in 10 to 10. Have faith in your triangle.

01:28:03.000 I tell people, have faith in your triangle.

01:28:05.000 Too many people go triangle, it doesn't work in two seconds, they go to the arm bar and let the guy breathe again.

01:28:09.000 I think commit to your triangle.

01:28:10.000 When you deal with someone like Paige Van Zandt, it's the difference between trying to put someone to sleep and trying to make someone tap.

01:28:16.000 You can't try to make her tap, you gotta try to put her to sleep.

01:28:18.000 I really think that's what you gotta do with her.

01:28:20.000 This little girl's a savage.

01:28:22.000 She's a little beautiful savage.

01:28:24.000 But she's down two rounds to none, to me.

01:28:25.000 Yeah, but she's still got those crazy switch kicks, man.

01:28:28.000 She's super athletic with that shit, too.

01:28:31.000 She goes from the outside, and then she commits to these wild, jumping roundhouse kicks.

01:28:37.000 Damn, guys, I gotta run.

01:28:38.000 Ah, you fucking fucking fuck.

01:28:41.000 I know, I gotta pick my family up.

01:28:43.000 Well, you gotta do what you gotta do.

01:28:44.000 I know.

01:28:45.000 How about you stay for 10 more minutes?

01:28:46.000 I will.

01:28:46.000 Alright.

01:28:47.000 Thanks.

01:28:47.000 It's a bad idea, but I'm doing it.

01:28:48.000 Come on.

01:28:49.000 That wasn't a hard sell either.

01:28:50.000 You went right for that.

01:28:51.000 You just gave right in.

01:28:53.000 You're okay.

01:28:54.000 Well, I gotta stay.

01:28:54.000 You're okay.

01:28:55.000 And watch this, at least.

01:28:56.000 Yeah, you just gotta tell your family.

01:28:57.000 They can wait.

01:28:58.000 It's gonna have to wait on the curb.

01:28:59.000 Yeah, you're in the airport.

01:29:00.000 Deal with it.

01:29:00.000 It's safe.

01:29:01.000 It's America.

01:29:02.000 Deal with the kids.

01:29:02.000 You're not in Guatemala.

01:29:03.000 Fucking babies.

01:29:04.000 Oh, I just got that flu.

01:29:05.000 I had that flu for 10 days.

01:29:06.000 Dude.

01:29:06.000 I got a viral rash.

01:29:07.000 I got it too.

01:29:08.000 Did you?

01:29:08.000 No, I had it too.

01:29:09.000 I was down.

01:29:09.000 Jimmy, when we were doing our podcast and I was coughing.

01:29:11.000 Stay away from me, dude.

01:29:12.000 I'm done now.

01:29:12.000 How long were you down for?

01:29:13.000 I was down for 10 days.

01:29:14.000 I was down for two days.

01:29:15.000 But you know why?

01:29:16.000 Because I saw it coming.

01:29:17.000 Oh, there's that jumping around house kick.

01:29:18.000 I saw it coming and I was like, you know what?

01:29:20.000 This don't feel normal.

01:29:22.000 Right.

01:29:22.000 This feels like a little extra.

01:29:24.000 So you slept?

01:29:24.000 Yeah, I just stayed in bed.

01:29:26.000 You got it.

01:29:27.000 The beautiful thing of being self-employed.

01:29:28.000 My son got it.

01:29:30.000 Fuck.

01:29:31.000 His friends got it.

01:29:32.000 His friends' moms got it.

01:29:33.000 That sucks.

01:29:34.000 Yeah, my youngest got it, and she got over it in a day like a little wolverine.

01:29:40.000 My kids eat a lot of probiotics, man.

01:29:42.000 I got them eating Bio-K and different probiotics and taking probiotic little snacks.

01:29:48.000 Fuck, it makes a big difference.

01:29:50.000 So important, man.

01:29:51.000 Can't you take too many of those?

01:29:53.000 I don't know.

01:29:54.000 Have you heard of Sheila Jat?

01:29:58.000 It's the tar from the Himalayas.

01:30:02.000 It's loaded with trace minerals.

01:30:05.000 Sounds like it's from the Himalayas.

01:30:06.000 It tastes like garbage!

01:30:07.000 But supposedly it's a shit.

01:30:10.000 She's got to be careful with that over and over and over again, going to that well, with that jump and round kick.

01:30:15.000 Because if a girl's got a real good right hand and she times that shit...

01:30:19.000 Take you right off your feet.

01:30:20.000 Yeah, take you right off your feet and you're gonna get fucking hurt because she's throwing it and she's fully committing to it, meaning like she throws her arms into it.

01:30:27.000 So her hands are down, her chin's up in the air like it's on a flagpole.

01:30:32.000 And it's a beautiful technique if it lands.

01:30:34.000 The problem is she KO'd Beck wrong.

01:30:36.000 See, she just tried to go do it again.

01:30:37.000 Like that well is tapped.

01:30:39.000 She's going to that well a lot.

01:30:41.000 Her hands are down too when she's coming to that kick.

01:30:44.000 When she KO'd Beck Rawlings with it, it was so sensational.

01:30:48.000 I think that's become her shit.

01:30:50.000 You get hooked on it.

01:30:51.000 They get hooked on that feeling.

01:30:52.000 I've seen it all the time.

01:30:54.000 She can take a punch too, man.

01:30:56.000 Clark is much cleaner with the striking.

01:30:58.000 She's doing basics.

01:31:00.000 Technical basics.

01:31:02.000 And she's got a good timing with her right hand.

01:31:06.000 Clark's definitely had two rounds of nothing.

01:31:08.000 Oh, for sure.

01:31:09.000 I would say, yeah.

01:31:09.000 For sure.

01:31:10.000 See, it goes again.

01:31:11.000 She's going to it again.

01:31:12.000 And you watch when she does it, that left hand goes right down to her hips.

01:31:17.000 It's fucking so dangerous.

01:31:18.000 I like it.

01:31:18.000 She might be...

01:31:19.000 It's good every now and then.

01:31:21.000 Oh, right now.

01:31:22.000 Damn, man.

01:31:22.000 She makes her pay every time she comes close with those.

01:31:24.000 If you're doing that against a man who is a KO artist...

01:31:29.000 Oh, shit.

01:31:29.000 She almost landed that flying knee.

01:31:31.000 Hey, dude, she could land it.

01:31:32.000 But what I'm saying is she's making it very obvious that that's her go-to shit.

01:31:37.000 She does it so often, and it's an unusual move.

01:31:40.000 See, she's trying to do it right there.

01:31:41.000 She takes this big step, and then she tries to jump and throw a round.

01:31:45.000 I mean, who the fuck does a jumping round?

01:31:47.000 She does two in a row right there.

01:31:49.000 Who the fuck does this that much?

01:31:50.000 Yagir Rodriguez?

01:31:52.000 No.

01:31:52.000 More than him, even.

01:31:54.000 She does it more than him.

01:31:55.000 She does it more than anybody.

01:31:56.000 This is like her go-to shit as a jumping switch kick.

01:32:00.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:32:01.000 I don't even care if it lands.

01:32:03.000 Look at that!

01:32:03.000 She did it again!

01:32:04.000 Oh!

01:32:04.000 Left hand behind it, though!

01:32:05.000 It does look good.

01:32:06.000 At least she's doing something.

01:32:08.000 Yeah.

01:32:08.000 She's going after it, man.

01:32:10.000 She's going after it.

01:32:11.000 Yeah, she's behind.

01:32:12.000 Yeah, she's going after it.

01:32:13.000 She's trying to win by knockout.

01:32:14.000 Paige Van Zandt presses the shit out of me.

01:32:16.000 She does.

01:32:17.000 She's so tough.

01:32:18.000 And again, cute as a button.

01:32:20.000 Yep.

01:32:23.000 You know, cute as a button and a fucking barbarian.

01:32:27.000 Yep.

01:32:28.000 Good athlete, good movement.

01:32:30.000 Eh.

01:32:33.000 If you like white chicks, I suppose.

01:32:35.000 Did anybody see Claressa Shields fight last night?

01:32:38.000 No.

01:32:38.000 Paige Van Zandt has a broken arm right now.

01:32:40.000 She does?

01:32:41.000 What?

01:32:42.000 Yeah, she tore her corner after the first round.

01:32:43.000 Which arm?

01:32:43.000 It must be the left, right?

01:32:45.000 Yeah, the left, she's holding fire.

01:32:48.000 Yikes.

01:32:49.000 Wow.

01:32:50.000 That's probably why she keeps throwing that kit.

01:32:52.000 Yeah, that's probably why she keeps throwing it.

01:32:53.000 Yeah, it's definitely the left.

01:32:54.000 See how she's extending it?

01:32:55.000 She's not punching with it?

01:32:56.000 Wow, that's crazy.

01:32:57.000 Ouch.

01:32:58.000 Yeah.

01:32:58.000 Wow, that's fucking nuts, man.

01:33:00.000 She must have got kicked with something?

01:33:02.000 Oh, shit.

01:33:04.000 Still game.

01:33:05.000 Still going at it.

01:33:06.000 Still going for it.

01:33:06.000 Tough as fuck, dude.

01:33:08.000 Well, that makes sense now why she keeps going to the well with that jumping round kick.

01:33:11.000 That's what she's got from the left side.

01:33:13.000 Oh, damn.

01:33:14.000 Oh, kick to the body.

01:33:16.000 That's a good scrap.

01:33:17.000 What's her name?

01:33:18.000 I like Clark's fundamentals, man.

01:33:19.000 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

01:33:20.000 Clark looks really good, man.

01:33:21.000 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

01:33:22.000 Oh, it's her right arm.

01:33:23.000 Interesting.

01:33:23.000 It's her right arm.

01:33:24.000 Wow.

01:33:25.000 Broken bones in there.

01:33:26.000 Wow.

01:33:26.000 She goes right to the rise.

01:33:27.000 Remember Rich Franklin, Chuck Liddell?

01:33:29.000 He's like, yeah, I can feel it clicking.

01:33:30.000 He would turn it and it would click.

01:33:31.000 Yeah.

01:33:33.000 And KO'd him.

01:33:34.000 He even went a broken arm.

01:33:36.000 And split his lip open.

01:33:37.000 Remember that horrible injury?

01:33:39.000 Love you guys.

01:33:40.000 Gotta go.

01:33:40.000 Thank you so much.

01:33:42.000 Very nice meeting you.

01:33:43.000 Good to see you, my brother.

01:33:44.000 Thanks for coming by.

01:33:45.000 Thanks for the cheese.

01:33:46.000 Thanks for the wine.

01:33:47.000 I'll leave the wine here for you the next time we do a podcast together.

01:33:49.000 Come see me in...

01:33:51.000 Where are you?

01:33:51.000 Columbus.

01:33:52.000 Where are you, hilarious?

01:33:53.000 Brian Callum.

01:33:54.000 At the Funny Bone.

01:33:56.000 One of the best comics in the world.

01:33:57.000 January 25, 26, 27. Then I'm in that at the DC Empire.

01:34:00.000 February 1, 2, 3. New Columbus Funny Bone is fucking sensational.

01:34:04.000 I hear it's one of the best clubs going.

01:34:05.000 You know what they did?

01:34:06.000 They revamped it.

01:34:07.000 They moved the whole front bar area.

01:34:10.000 They took it out.

01:34:11.000 Really?

01:34:11.000 Expanded the showroom.

01:34:12.000 It's huge now.

01:34:13.000 It's very nice.

01:34:14.000 I'm excited.

01:34:14.000 Yeah, tell Dave I said what's up.

01:34:16.000 January 25, 26, 27. Beautiful.

01:34:18.000 Thanks, guys.

01:34:19.000 You're a fucking animal.

01:34:21.000 I'll see you later.

01:34:22.000 BrianCallen.com.

01:34:23.000 All that good stuff.

01:34:23.000 With a Y. B-R-Y. I'll leave you.

01:34:26.000 Thanks, brother.

01:34:27.000 Yeah, just leave it there.

01:34:28.000 We got ants.

01:34:29.000 They'll take care of it.

01:34:34.000 Very nice meeting you, man.

01:34:37.000 Alright, say hi to your family, brother.

01:34:39.000 We'll do some history shit on the next podcast.

01:34:41.000 Love you, man.

01:34:43.000 Brian Callen has to leave.

01:34:45.000 Someone cares about their family more than they do about random people listening to a podcast.

01:34:49.000 Which is weird.

01:34:50.000 Bullshit.

01:34:50.000 I mean, different planet.

01:34:52.000 Bullshit.

01:34:54.000 Fucking bullshit.

01:34:57.000 What are you talking?

01:34:58.000 We hear you.

01:34:59.000 Shut the door.

01:35:01.000 What's he trying to do?

01:35:02.000 He asked what the main event was.

01:35:04.000 He asked what the main event was.

01:35:05.000 He has no idea.

01:35:06.000 He's like, this is MMA, right?

01:35:10.000 Brian Callen is on a podcast that is about fighting, the fighter and the kid, and barely pays attention to the sport.

01:35:19.000 I mean, it's like his big gig is him being on the podcast, and it's half the fun, is Brendan going, how do you not know this?

01:35:27.000 How do you not know this?

01:35:30.000 So Schaub is home right now with the flu.

01:35:32.000 Is he?

01:35:33.000 Yeah, that's why I called you.

01:35:34.000 I called you today.

01:35:35.000 I'm the backup.

01:35:36.000 That's cool.

01:35:36.000 Listen, I called you anyway, but he was going to be here, and it was last minute.

01:35:41.000 He's like, dude, I'm too sick.

01:35:42.000 He was working in Portland, and he's like, I'm coughing so bad, I can't do this.

01:35:46.000 I said...

01:35:47.000 My man Jimmy Smith's around.

01:35:48.000 There you go.

01:35:49.000 Jimmy Smith's so gangster, ladies and gentlemen.

01:35:51.000 I just want you to know, he drives here in a 1968 Firebird stock.

01:35:57.000 Fully stock.

01:35:58.000 Stock seat, stock brakes, stock poses.

01:36:01.000 He's driving a 1968 car like it's 1968. Yeah, it's my only car.

01:36:06.000 And that's how he gets around.

01:36:07.000 That's all I drive.

01:36:08.000 That's very gangster.

01:36:10.000 Are you a mechanic?

01:36:13.000 No!

01:36:13.000 I can keep up with certain things, but I'm on the road so much, even if I wanted to, I couldn't.

01:36:18.000 It would be in a garage all the time, and I don't have that.

01:36:20.000 That's very gangster.

01:36:22.000 I had a 69 Barracuda before that, and it got rear-ended, and I had to get it replaced.

01:36:27.000 Yeah, the 69 Barracuda is a beautiful year, too.

01:36:29.000 It's a monster.

01:36:30.000 It's an underappreciated year.

01:36:31.000 I had a 70, and that's the bigger body.

01:36:34.000 Yes.

01:36:34.000 The different one.

01:36:35.000 And everybody knows that one.

01:36:37.000 The Hemi-Engine.

01:36:38.000 Yeah, and it's also like what the new Challenger looks like, right?

01:36:41.000 The new Challenger is like sort of a version of that.

01:36:44.000 But that older one is really unique in the muscle car world.

01:36:47.000 That's 69, 68 Barracuda.

01:36:49.000 It's a weirder shape.

01:36:51.000 Harder to find parts for.

01:36:52.000 I bet.

01:36:53.000 Yeah, and to get the dash from like a...

01:36:55.000 Like a junkyard in Ohio or some shit.

01:36:58.000 Well, you know what they're doing that's really interesting now?

01:37:00.000 A lot of companies are...

01:37:01.000 There's a new company, Steve Stroh was just telling me about it, that are making a 1969 Camaro from the ground up with all new parts.

01:37:09.000 Yeah, I've heard of that.

01:37:10.000 They're making everything.

01:37:11.000 All the fenders.

01:37:12.000 They're making the subframe.

01:37:14.000 They're making the doors, the dash panels.

01:37:17.000 They're making a 1969 Camaro, but it's not from 1969. It's from 2018. Which is crazy.

01:37:25.000 I've heard about people doing that same thing, but the internal parts are all, like, eco-friendly, but it runs the same frame and everything.

01:37:32.000 I mean, they're doing crazy shit now.

01:37:34.000 I've heard of that.

01:37:34.000 Yeah, there's a Mustang that's, like, an 850 horsepower electric Mustang that someone in Texas made.

01:37:40.000 And it's a 1968 Mustang, but it's just some fucking beast-fuck electric engine.

01:37:47.000 Wow.

01:37:47.000 Paige runs in with a spinning backfist there.

01:37:49.000 Oh, that's when she broke her arm.

01:37:51.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like.

01:37:51.000 Oh, wow.

01:37:52.000 She broke it on a spinning back fist.

01:37:54.000 That's crazy.

01:37:56.000 Fuck.

01:37:57.000 Yeah, these bones are weak as shit, man.

01:37:59.000 And they crack so easy.

01:38:02.000 Once again, Tim Sylvia, Frank Muir.

01:38:04.000 Yeah.

01:38:05.000 Yeah, and tried to keep fighting.

01:38:08.000 Remember every booing Herb Dean?

01:38:09.000 Everybody was so mad.

01:38:10.000 Herb's like, and then they saw the replay, like, oh, okay.

01:38:12.000 Yeah, we had to point it out in the replay, too.

01:38:14.000 Yeah.

01:38:14.000 We had to say, slow it down, slow it down.

01:38:16.000 What's that?

01:38:17.000 That's a broken arm.

01:38:18.000 Like, that thing is not supposed to bend like that.

01:38:20.000 All right, what was your worst...

01:38:22.000 On air in terms of like, oh fuck moment.

01:38:25.000 Corey Hill and Anderson Silva, those two leg breaks.

01:38:28.000 Yeah.

01:38:29.000 Both of them.

01:38:29.000 I think Corey Hill worse because the referee didn't see it.

01:38:32.000 And so I threw my headset off and I jumped up and I was screaming, stop the fight, stop the fight.

01:38:38.000 Because the referee was in an odd position.

01:38:41.000 And the leg, he kicked, the leg snapped, I saw the leg go rubber, I saw his leg go down, I saw him go down, and then...

01:38:49.000 Forget who he's fighting was on top of him hitting him and The referee wasn't it wasn't on it.

01:38:56.000 He just wasn't aware.

01:38:57.000 He was in a bad position You know, he's looking at the punches being landed.

01:39:00.000 He didn't realize that the leg had been snapped Those two were the worst.

01:39:03.000 Oh, there's Corey.

01:39:04.000 Yeah We did one, it was...

01:39:08.000 See, so the referee's over there, and Corey Hill, rest in peace, he died a few years back.

01:39:19.000 That Ngannou knockout of fucking...

01:39:22.000 Oh, so that's the UFC Performance Institute.

01:39:25.000 I went there two weeks ago when I was in Vegas.

01:39:27.000 Holy shit, is that place impressive.

01:39:30.000 Yeah.

01:39:30.000 I mean, have you been there, Eddie?

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 Fuck, man.

01:39:33.000 Amazing.

01:39:34.000 Did Tony train there?

01:39:35.000 No, I had a meeting, an EBI meeting.

01:39:37.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:39:38.000 With the UFC. Oh, nice.

01:39:40.000 Forest gave us a tour of the place.

01:39:42.000 They gave me the tour?

01:39:42.000 Yeah, Forest gave me a tour, too.

01:39:44.000 How amazing is that place?

01:39:46.000 Dude, it's incredible.

01:39:47.000 It's one of the coolest places I've ever seen.

01:39:49.000 I was like, oh my god, I want to live here.

01:39:50.000 Dude, the screen where you can record your sparring, it's like an NFL thing where you can write notes and circles and all this shit on it and give it to your coach.

01:39:58.000 It's amazing.

01:39:58.000 They're recording it in 360 degrees so they can look at you from any angle.

01:40:02.000 It's fucking incredible.

01:40:04.000 It's so cool.

01:40:05.000 And then they have all these different recovery stations.

01:40:08.000 They have a cryo machine that goes down to like 240 degrees below zero and then up to 170 degrees above zero.

01:40:19.000 You can go hot-cold inside the machine.

01:40:22.000 Like, which is, what the fuck, man?

01:40:24.000 It's crazy.

01:40:24.000 They have, like, three pools of different temperatures for, like, rehab.

01:40:28.000 They have two pools that are different temperatures.

01:40:30.000 One really hot one and one really cold one.

01:40:32.000 Yeah, that's the room right there.

01:40:33.000 And there's one to your left.

01:40:34.000 Oh, that's me.

01:40:35.000 That's my video.

01:40:36.000 Oh, okay.

01:40:36.000 And then there's a treadmill to your left in a pool.

01:40:38.000 And that's Angela Hills on that one right here while I'm filming.

01:40:41.000 And she's running.

01:40:42.000 There she is.

01:40:43.000 And she's running on this treadmill that lifts and lowers.

01:40:47.000 And you can watch your running form on these little screens.

01:40:52.000 See, I think I cut to the screen.

01:40:54.000 She was joking around about her butt.

01:40:56.000 You can check out the screen and you can see like your form to make sure that you're landing ball of the foot first, you know with proper running form.

01:41:06.000 The fucking whole place is incredible.

01:41:08.000 They have sleep pods that you get in.

01:41:10.000 They're like these lounge chairs and it's like some sci-fi movie with this big egg comes down over you.

01:41:16.000 Like a Darth Vader.

01:41:17.000 Yeah.

01:41:18.000 Yeah, the sleep pods.

01:41:20.000 So you're lying down there.

01:41:21.000 It's playing music and shit.

01:41:22.000 Dude.

01:41:23.000 Off the charts.

01:41:25.000 I mean, they have everything.

01:41:26.000 So, last week, I'm on your podcast, and I can say it now.

01:41:30.000 You were talking about the Performance Center.

01:41:32.000 Well, I had gotten a tour of that when I met Dana White and everybody, like, two weeks ago.

01:41:36.000 So, I was like, whoa, that's great!

01:41:37.000 Yeah!

01:41:41.000 So, anyway, I got a tour of the thing.

01:41:43.000 It was kind of funny.

01:41:43.000 It would be funny if you said, yeah, yeah.

01:41:45.000 Oh, that seems familiar.

01:41:47.000 I don't remember that.

01:41:47.000 Yeah.

01:41:48.000 Yeah.

01:41:50.000 Yeah, we were hoping that we were going to be able to mention it on the podcast, but things take time.

01:41:56.000 Paperwork, man.

01:41:57.000 It takes a minute.

01:41:58.000 Yeah, and hey, congratulations to our boy Big John McCarthy.

01:42:01.000 Big John, dude.

01:42:03.000 He'll be very good at that.

01:42:04.000 What gig?

01:42:05.000 He's the new Jimmy Smith.

01:42:06.000 Took over for me at Bellator.

01:42:07.000 Oh, really?

01:42:08.000 Yeah, man.

01:42:08.000 Oh, shit.

01:42:09.000 I didn't know that.

01:42:10.000 He'll be great at that.

01:42:12.000 I think he's going to be awesome at that.

01:42:14.000 I didn't know he was living in Vegas.

01:42:17.000 Yeah.

01:42:18.000 Yeah.

01:42:19.000 He moved.

01:42:19.000 Got tired of flying to Vegas all the time for fights.

01:42:22.000 So he just fucking moved to Vegas.

01:42:24.000 That's the kind of guy Big John is.

01:42:25.000 He is, man.

01:42:26.000 But he lives out in the burbs.

01:42:28.000 He's not like on the strip going to fucking Hakkasan every night.

01:42:31.000 Yeah, I think he'll do a good job, man.

01:42:33.000 I do.

01:42:33.000 No, he'll be great.

01:42:34.000 I really do.

01:42:34.000 He'll be great.

01:42:35.000 I was really happy about that, personally.

01:42:37.000 Yeah, he'll be great.

01:42:38.000 You know, I mean, you talk about a guy who's seen literally every major fight.

01:42:44.000 I mean, he was the go-to guy for over a decade.

01:42:50.000 Like, every big fight had to have Big John McCarthy as a referee.

01:42:53.000 You know, after a while, a lot of guys have gotten some of the calls for some of the big, big fights, but he's the gold standard.

01:42:59.000 And the guy knows so much about the sport, and he's a legit black belt.

01:43:03.000 Yeah.

01:43:03.000 He's not going to ref anymore?

01:43:04.000 No, he's not going to ref anymore for a while, but he always could go back to it.

01:43:07.000 Do you know, he's got two or three, at least two, fake discs in his neck.

01:43:13.000 I think it might be three.

01:43:15.000 And then he just got some shit fused, too.

01:43:17.000 Damn.

01:43:18.000 Yeah.

01:43:19.000 That jiu-jitsu is a motherfucker.

01:43:21.000 Yeah.

01:43:22.000 There's a motherfucker in your joints, man.

01:43:24.000 And you're back.

01:43:25.000 You hear about so many people.

01:43:27.000 I got this thing I want to show you.

01:43:29.000 And every grappler should get one of these.

01:43:32.000 You should get one for the gym.

01:43:33.000 It's called an iron neck.

01:43:35.000 And it was created by this guy who is a former football player, and he created it to deal with CTE. He's like, a lot of what these guys are getting, they're getting from their head, getting snapped.

01:43:45.000 And he's like, and I think you can mitigate a lot of that with neck strength.

01:43:48.000 But a lot of the different things that people create for neck strength, this is him.

01:43:53.000 Show me how to do it.

01:43:54.000 We got one here.

01:43:54.000 So you strap this thing on your head.

01:43:56.000 You pump it up.

01:43:57.000 It's like a Reebok pump.

01:43:59.000 Remember those pumps where you press the...

01:44:00.000 It gets real tight to your head.

01:44:02.000 And then you're pulling on that bungee cord.

01:44:05.000 That black cord is 50 pounds of resistance.

01:44:07.000 And so I'm pulling back and he's like straightening out my posture.

01:44:11.000 And then there's resistance and turning the band.

01:44:14.000 Phenomenal.

01:44:14.000 I love that thing.

01:44:16.000 I love it.

01:44:16.000 How often do you do it?

01:44:17.000 Whenever I want to.

01:44:18.000 I have one in my house and I have one here.

01:44:21.000 So I do it all the time.

01:44:22.000 I did it yesterday.

01:44:24.000 It was part of my workout yesterday.

01:44:26.000 I like to start off my workout with it.

01:44:28.000 I put that fucker on and I go through a whole series of Stevie Wonders.

01:44:32.000 It's like you have it on your head and you go like this.

01:44:36.000 What it does is, you know who's real big on it?

01:44:38.000 Aaron Pico.

01:44:39.000 He loves that thing.

01:44:40.000 He said it turned his neck into a weapon.

01:44:43.000 For me, I had some pretty big problems with my neck for a while.

01:44:48.000 I think two things from not tapping and two from head and arm chokes.

01:44:54.000 I was always doing a lot of head and arm chokes on this side.

01:44:57.000 You're always using your neck.

01:45:01.000 Your neck becomes a part of your game.

01:45:05.000 I never really strengthened my neck other than training and this has made a big fucking difference.

01:45:12.000 Is that Johnny Hendrix or is that like a fat guy who looks like Johnny Hendrix?

01:45:15.000 It's not Johnny Hendrix.

01:45:17.000 Sorry fat guy.

01:45:18.000 You're not really fat, bro.

01:45:20.000 You're not fat.

01:45:21.000 You're not ripped like Michael Johnson, but you're not fat.

01:45:25.000 I'm just talking shit.

01:45:26.000 But that machine is like one of the best methods I've ever found of strengthening your neck.

01:45:34.000 Stabilizing your neck.

01:45:36.000 Edit that out about me calling that guy fat.

01:45:41.000 Sometimes you say things, you're just talking shit.

01:45:43.000 Yeah, it just comes out of your mouth.

01:45:44.000 You don't mean to.

01:45:44.000 I forgot.

01:45:44.000 If you listen, buddy, I'm fat too.

01:45:47.000 But this machine...

01:45:49.000 Actually, he's not fat at all.

01:45:52.000 But this machine is fucking phenomenal.

01:45:54.000 I'm a giant fan of it.

01:45:56.000 You can either have it on a bungee cord or some people put it on one of them cable machines.

01:46:02.000 Like I'd imagine if you were some Francis Ngannou fella, you would want even more resistance.

01:46:07.000 Oh, that's in Austin.

01:46:07.000 They're doing that at the Onnit gym.

01:46:11.000 I'm a big fan of this thing.

01:46:13.000 I think every grappler in particular, because how many people have fucking neck problems?

01:46:18.000 Oh, I mean, to not have them is weird.

01:46:20.000 Yeah, it is.

01:46:21.000 And I think this is a great machine, but I think there's a bunch of other things you should do as well.

01:46:26.000 I'm a big believer in shrugs, I think, for grapplers.

01:46:32.000 Just protecting that whole area, building up all that muscle in the back area.

01:46:36.000 You get them fucking Overeem traps.

01:46:40.000 Remember Overeem when you used the Overeem?

01:46:42.000 Dude, unbelievable.

01:46:43.000 They started at the top of his ears and would drop down.

01:46:47.000 You know what I got recently that I'd like to recommend is, you know, I have...

01:46:53.000 Something really wrong with my right shoulder and I like to sleep on my side So sometimes man, I wake up in the middle of the night my shoulders sore just from sleeping wrong on it Yeah, it sucks putting all your weight on it and after a while fucking and I got the flu like you did too I got it last week for a day I was in bed for 24 hours and man my shoulder was killing me from being sick in bed and So I got this pillow that's for people that have acid reflux.

01:47:19.000 It's a sloped pillow and there's a hole in it where you could put your arm under and you sleep on the side.

01:47:27.000 I'm in love with it.

01:47:27.000 I've seen that.

01:47:28.000 What's it called?

01:47:28.000 I've seen that.

01:47:29.000 It's called MedKline.

01:47:31.000 MedKline.

01:47:32.000 It's awesome.

01:47:34.000 And you can see both sides.

01:47:35.000 And there's like this snake pillow that goes through it.

01:47:37.000 So your arm is feeling beautiful.

01:47:39.000 There's no pressure on it.

01:47:40.000 And you're on your side.

01:47:42.000 Oh, look at that.

01:47:43.000 I've seen that.

01:47:43.000 That's it.

01:47:44.000 That's it.

01:47:44.000 Oh, that's weird looking.

01:47:46.000 Dude, I'm telling you, I'm in love with this thing, man.

01:47:48.000 It's incredible.

01:47:50.000 No shit.

01:47:50.000 Yes, I think maybe that's a big part of my shoulder problem, maybe.

01:47:55.000 Sleeping weird?

01:47:56.000 Yeah, just like, I sleep on my side, and I know that you're not supposed to.

01:47:59.000 You're supposed to sleep flat on your back, but I cannot sleep flat on my back.

01:48:02.000 I gotta be on either side.

01:48:04.000 I'm always switching from one side to the next.

01:48:06.000 Well, when you started lifting heavy again after you got those cortisone shots, you said your shoulder was feeling amazing.

01:48:14.000 Yeah.

01:48:14.000 And then you told me you were doing bench.

01:48:16.000 I was like, oof.

01:48:16.000 Like, bench is one of the worst things for your shoulder.

01:48:18.000 I should have never got a cortisone shot.

01:48:20.000 That was the big mistake right there.

01:48:21.000 I got talked into it by a doctor.

01:48:24.000 I went into the doctor to get a prescription for an MRI. And I told him, you know, my shoulder just doesn't heal.

01:48:32.000 It's just constantly bothering me.

01:48:34.000 And he did a couple tests and he said, hey, you don't have any tears, but what's wrong is the tendon that's connecting your bicep to your shoulder, it's thrashed.

01:48:42.000 But if we put a cortisone shot in there, you'll be fine.

01:48:45.000 And I grew up a big...

01:48:47.000 I'm a football fan, and I always thought cortisone shots is what an athlete takes to play the rest of the game, but he's gonna pay for it afterwards, but just to get through the game, give him a cortisone shot.

01:48:57.000 I thought it was just a painkiller.

01:48:58.000 And that's what I told him.

01:49:00.000 And he said, no, it's a big myth.

01:49:01.000 It actually heals the tendon.

01:49:03.000 And I said, really?

01:49:04.000 I said, okay, so he did it.

01:49:06.000 He said, don't do shit for 10 days.

01:49:08.000 I didn't, then it actually did, it felt amazing.

01:49:11.000 And then I started lifting again, and I started lifting heavier than ever.

01:49:16.000 And then about a, and dude, like all the time, I started doing your little, that routine you were talking about, some Russian said that you're supposed to do the same body parts.

01:49:28.000 Like, not just once a week, but like, you know, every time you go in, hit the same body parts, just don't hit them that hard.

01:49:35.000 Yeah.

01:49:36.000 Remember that program?

01:49:36.000 Creasing the groove, yeah.

01:49:37.000 Yeah.

01:49:37.000 So that's what I started doing.

01:49:39.000 But then I started doing, working the same body part.

01:49:43.000 Every time I went to the gym.

01:49:45.000 I did chest hard every time I went to the gym.

01:49:47.000 Back hard every time I went to the gym.

01:49:49.000 I was doing complete body workouts.

01:49:51.000 It just slowly morphed into that.

01:49:53.000 And I always wanted to go to failure.

01:49:55.000 And then within two months, the pain started coming back.

01:49:58.000 And then it just slowly progressed.

01:50:00.000 And now it's worse than ever.

01:50:02.000 You should get an MRI. Yeah, no, I am.

01:50:04.000 I am.

01:50:05.000 I just got the prescription for that last week.

01:50:08.000 All I got to do is go in now.

01:50:09.000 I'm going to go get that checked out.

01:50:10.000 Man, it's such a common injury.

01:50:11.000 Yeah.

01:50:12.000 You know, so many guys have shoulder problems.

01:50:15.000 But that pillow, though, is helping.

01:50:16.000 Yeah.

01:50:17.000 That pillow is huge.

01:50:18.000 I'm gonna get one then.

01:50:19.000 That's interesting.

01:50:19.000 It looks awesome.

01:50:20.000 Alright, we're about to hit the main event.

01:50:21.000 Jeremy Stevens just showed up.

01:50:23.000 Oh, shit, Jeremy Stevens.

01:50:26.000 He's a tough fucking out at 145 pounds.

01:50:30.000 He is.

01:50:30.000 That's a big 45-er.

01:50:32.000 I mean, he's fucking big for that weight class.

01:50:38.000 And he's coming off of that fight against...

01:50:44.000 Who the fuck did he just fight?

01:50:46.000 He had a real good fight against a veteran where he kicked the shit out of his legs.

01:50:54.000 I want to say Jim Miller.

01:50:55.000 No, but that would be 55. Dude, 13 first round finishes.

01:50:59.000 That is amazing.

01:51:01.000 Yeah, 13 first round finishes.

01:51:03.000 That's amazing, right?

01:51:03.000 Think about that.

01:51:04.000 Seven straight wins by knockout.

01:51:05.000 That's incredible.

01:51:06.000 Second most knockdowns in UFC history.

01:51:08.000 He's an animal.

01:51:09.000 He's a beast.

01:51:10.000 So he beat Gilbert Melendez in his last fight.

01:51:12.000 Second most knockdowns in UFC history?

01:51:15.000 Crazy.

01:51:15.000 That's incredible.

01:51:17.000 He's a fucking animal.

01:51:18.000 Jesus Christ.

01:51:20.000 Remember his KO of Dos Anjos?

01:51:21.000 Yep.

01:51:22.000 Stunning.

01:51:23.000 Stunning uppercut.

01:51:24.000 Boom.

01:51:25.000 Neck-snapping uppercut.

01:51:26.000 He's a fucking animal.

01:51:28.000 Dennis Bermudez at flying knee against the cage.

01:51:32.000 Jeremy Stephens.

01:51:33.000 Honey Jason, that head kick.

01:51:34.000 Woo!

01:51:35.000 He's got a ton of them, man.

01:51:36.000 Woo!

01:51:36.000 That's his thing.

01:51:37.000 He's a fucking animal.

01:51:38.000 I'm excited about this fight, too, because Duho Choi brings it, and he's got a clean right hand.

01:51:44.000 That right hand comes down the pipe.

01:51:47.000 Like a piston.

01:51:48.000 Okay.

01:51:49.000 Isn't he going to the Korean army, though, for a while?

01:51:52.000 No, no.

01:51:52.000 That's Chan Sung Jung, the Korean zombie.

01:51:54.000 He went two years in the Korean army.

01:51:56.000 But this guy's got to go, too.

01:51:58.000 They have compulsory service, so...

01:52:00.000 Maybe.

01:52:01.000 He has to go.

01:52:02.000 He'll do eventually.

01:52:03.000 Wow, that's a bummer for guys that are world-class fighters.

01:52:06.000 They think they should give them a little break.

01:52:08.000 Let them put that shit off.

01:52:10.000 Nope.

01:52:11.000 Two years, baby.

01:52:14.000 Sacrifice.

01:52:14.000 Do Ho Choi.

01:52:16.000 Here we go, baby.

01:52:20.000 It is, I mean, from a ruler standpoint, it's actually a great idea to make everybody go to the army for two years, right?

01:52:29.000 It's not a bad idea if you want to instill patriotism in people, too, and understanding of what it means to have a country.

01:52:37.000 What does it mean to have an armed service if you're just some soft, fat, little pudgy fuck like me sitting back letting the soldiers do all the work.

01:52:47.000 You know, if you actually have to go and do it yourself, you're actually over there.

01:52:51.000 All they got to worry about is North Korea.

01:52:53.000 That's it.

01:52:53.000 No one else is messing with them.

01:52:55.000 Well, China.

01:52:57.000 China's on the side of North Korea.

01:52:58.000 That's part of the problem.

01:52:59.000 That's part of our problem with negotiating with North Korea.

01:53:01.000 They're still technically at war.

01:53:03.000 Most people don't know.

01:53:04.000 North Korea and South Korea?

01:53:05.000 Yeah, they signed a ceasefire.

01:53:06.000 They never signed an armistice.

01:53:07.000 So there's no peace treaty.

01:53:09.000 We'll stop fighting for right now and it held for 50 years.

01:53:12.000 Did you see what the fuck happened to Hawaii the other day?

01:53:13.000 Yeah.

01:53:14.000 What the fuck, man?

01:53:16.000 I found out from Kelly Slater's Instagram.

01:53:19.000 I was like, what?

01:53:20.000 There was a fake missile warning.

01:53:25.000 That a missile was coming in and they said it was not a drill.

01:53:29.000 Like how was that a wrong button kind of thing?

01:53:32.000 Go through a few people before it goes out to the whole state.

01:53:37.000 You know how you have that thing when you're getting a phone call and you have the option?

01:53:41.000 Exactly.

01:53:42.000 To say, hey, I'll call you back.

01:53:44.000 I'm driving.

01:53:45.000 It's one of the two or three options you can just press.

01:53:48.000 Is one of them, hey, an intercontinental ballistic missile's headed your way, Hawaii?

01:53:52.000 It's like, oh, here's weather, here's missile, and you hit the wrong...

01:53:54.000 No, it shouldn't work that way.

01:53:56.000 It shouldn't be anywhere near like that.

01:53:57.000 You can walk to the whole state.

01:53:59.000 So stupid.

01:54:00.000 Yeah, Lema Lee McFarlane was on her Instagram.

01:54:02.000 I was like, yeah, apparently it's a missile.

01:54:03.000 Same shit.

01:54:04.000 I was unbelievable.

01:54:05.000 People were fucking crying and freaking out, apparently.

01:54:08.000 I have a friend who lives in Hawaii.

01:54:11.000 You know, that's a state that's been hit before.

01:54:13.000 Fuck yeah.

01:54:13.000 Militarily.

01:54:14.000 Yeah, right?

01:54:15.000 You gotta think.

01:54:15.000 I mean, the memory of Pearl Harbor.

01:54:17.000 There's people who were alive back then.

01:54:19.000 Plenty of them.

01:54:21.000 Jeremy motherfucking Stevens!

01:54:24.000 Dum-dum-dum!

01:54:26.000 This should be war.

01:54:28.000 I am very excited about this.

01:54:32.000 There's certain guys who don't know how to have a boring fight, and Jeremy Stevens is one of those guys.

01:54:36.000 Yeah, he's one of them.

01:54:37.000 He's a fucking animal.

01:54:38.000 And he's looking forward to this fight, too, stylistically.

01:54:42.000 A lot like the Gilbert Melendez fight.

01:54:44.000 Yeah.

01:54:45.000 Gil's another guy.

01:54:46.000 Yep.

01:54:47.000 I want to see if he goes right back to that same low calf kick.

01:54:50.000 He had so much success with it in that Melendez fight.

01:54:54.000 I mean, that essentially took Melendez out of his game plan real early.

01:54:58.000 He looks like such a wolf with that crazy beard.

01:55:02.000 Remember when boxing didn't let guys have beards?

01:55:05.000 What the fuck was that about?

01:55:06.000 People were bitching about Canelo's hair when he fought Triple G. Interesting.

01:55:10.000 All his beard is too long.

01:55:11.000 It softens a punch.

01:55:12.000 Yeah, I don't buy that at all.

01:55:14.000 Seems so ridiculous.

01:55:15.000 That was like something that they used to say.

01:55:18.000 Like you used to have to shave your beard.

01:55:21.000 Makes sense though.

01:55:22.000 It's a big pad.

01:55:23.000 Ooh!

01:55:23.000 Duo Choi landed two hard leg kicks in a row.

01:55:26.000 I just can't imagine it realistically softening a punch to make a difference.

01:55:30.000 I mean...

01:55:30.000 I kind of see what you're saying, Eddie.

01:55:32.000 It's a pad.

01:55:33.000 Maybe if you have a Kimbo slice beard.

01:55:35.000 Because you have that thick hair.

01:55:38.000 Oh, there's a nice one by Jeremy.

01:55:42.000 Duo choice tall for the weight class, man.

01:55:44.000 5'10.5", 146. Oh, nice.

01:55:50.000 This is a...

01:55:51.000 You know, people complain about weight cutting all the time.

01:55:54.000 You know, we've talked about it a million times, but you see how big these fuckers are.

01:55:58.000 You see why they do it.

01:55:59.000 I mean, it's crazy.

01:56:00.000 If you can do it, it's worth it.

01:56:02.000 What's interesting is what California's doing.

01:56:04.000 You know, there's a bunch of guys like Marlon, like Marlon Marais.

01:56:08.000 They essentially...

01:56:09.000 They're not saying that he can't fight 135 again, but they're saying, dude, you're a 145-pound fighter who's killing themselves to make 135. Ooh, another one by Choi.

01:56:22.000 So, Duho Choi is having...

01:56:24.000 Oh, right hand over the top by Choi.

01:56:26.000 Oh, knee by Choi.

01:56:27.000 Oh, shit!

01:56:28.000 He looks clean.

01:56:30.000 Yeah, chins up.

01:56:31.000 Yeah.

01:56:32.000 Oh!

01:56:34.000 He's relying a lot on his ability to read punches with his chin that high.

01:56:38.000 Maybe...

01:56:41.000 How do they decide?

01:56:42.000 If someone misses weight in a certain weight category two or three times, then automatically?

01:56:47.000 Well, that's a good way to do it, but there's no hard, fast rule in terms of how the UFC approaches it.

01:56:53.000 It varies depending upon the individual circumstances, but with California, Andy Foster, who's the head of the Athletic Commission in California, is, in my opinion, one of the very best in the world.

01:57:03.000 He's real proactive.

01:57:04.000 He's super on top of things.

01:57:07.000 He's instituted a bunch of different weight classes.

01:57:10.000 They've added 65, 75. They're adding more weight classes, which I think is critical.

01:57:15.000 I think that's the future.

01:57:16.000 I really think we spent way too much time with 20-pound gaps in between.

01:57:20.000 Oh!

01:57:21.000 Jeremy Stevens tags him!

01:57:23.000 Two in a row.

01:57:24.000 Yeah.

01:57:24.000 Oh, and a good leg kick as well.

01:57:26.000 I think we spent way too much time with a minimal amount of weight classes, with these eight weight classes.

01:57:31.000 I think we could use more.

01:57:33.000 And what they've decided is that if a fighter is a certain weight when they weigh in, they can only be a certain weight more when they fight.

01:57:43.000 So they're weighing guys when they weigh in and then they're weighing them right before they fight.

01:57:48.000 And guys like Marlon, he gained a shitload of weight.

01:57:51.000 I think he gained 17 pounds.

01:57:53.000 Sorry if I'm wrong.

01:57:54.000 But I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 pounds, which they were like, get the fuck out of here with that.

01:57:59.000 So what happens when you show up?

01:58:02.000 The day of the fight and you're 20 pounds over.

01:58:04.000 What do they do?

01:58:04.000 I don't think they do anything yet.

01:58:06.000 I think they're recommending you move up.

01:58:08.000 So the real problem would be what would happen if Marlon Marais won the title at 135 pounds, which he's world class.

01:58:17.000 I mean, that's a real...

01:58:18.000 It's certainly a possibility.

01:58:19.000 It's not out of the realm of possibility.

01:58:21.000 It's not out of the realm.

01:58:21.000 He's going to be fighting.

01:58:22.000 If everything keeps going well for him, the way the Aljamain Sterling knockout was, he's going to wind up fighting for a world title.

01:58:29.000 And I think it's a great fight.

01:58:31.000 If you win a world title at 135, then you're 135. You won that title?

01:58:35.000 Right, right, right.

01:58:37.000 Yeah, I mean, he made it, right?

01:58:38.000 But the UFC and, you know, also the California State Athletic Commission, even Nevada now, they're trying to do something, which I think is important, to do something about these fucking heavyweight clubs.

01:58:50.000 We should talk about this fight.

01:58:51.000 This fight's crazy.

01:58:52.000 Yeah, it's really good.

01:58:54.000 Well, somewhere they were talking about if you missed weight, you weren't allowed to fight at that weight class for your next fight.

01:59:00.000 I don't remember where they were talking about doing that, though.

01:59:02.000 That's smart, too.

01:59:04.000 Yeah, that was a plan I heard from a commissioner.

01:59:06.000 That's where you need a George Lockhart or a Dolce or someone who has a wealth of...

01:59:10.000 Nice!

01:59:11.000 Oh, left hook by Choi!

01:59:13.000 Woo!

01:59:15.000 Jeremy Stevens can take it, too.

01:59:17.000 That's the thing about Jeremy.

01:59:17.000 And he has a tendency to come forward when he's hurt.

01:59:19.000 He just wants to throw more.

01:59:21.000 He wants to get you back.

01:59:22.000 Yep.

01:59:24.000 He's not a recoup-and-figure-it-out kind of guy.

01:59:26.000 He wants some payback.

01:59:27.000 He's a fucking savage.

01:59:29.000 That's why he's so fun.

01:59:31.000 He's looking for something, though.

01:59:32.000 He gets creative in there, though.

01:59:34.000 I mean, he'll...

01:59:35.000 Ooh, snappy jab by Choi.

01:59:38.000 Ooh.

01:59:39.000 Choi's got some clean technique, man.

01:59:42.000 Ooh!

01:59:43.000 Damn.

01:59:45.000 Firefight.

01:59:45.000 And good footwork by Choi, too.

01:59:47.000 Ooh, he goes to the body.

01:59:49.000 Goes to the body with that left hook.

01:59:54.000 And he invites him in by keeping the hands just low enough to bait Jeremy Stephens in.

01:59:59.000 But he's reading the punches really, really well.

02:00:01.000 He keeps tagging that fucking left leg of Stephens.

02:00:04.000 That last one was strong.

02:00:07.000 Good stuff.

02:00:08.000 Ooh, this is a five-rounder too, right?

02:00:10.000 Of course.

02:00:11.000 Must be a main event.

02:00:13.000 That's a weird argument, right?

02:00:16.000 When they changed the main events to five rounds, not just world title fights, but main events too.

02:00:23.000 I like that.

02:00:24.000 I love it.

02:00:25.000 The more rounds, the better.

02:00:27.000 They should have more five-round fights.

02:00:29.000 Definitely get you thinking, you'll figure out who the fuck is the best fighter, because oftentimes things start getting weird around the fourth round.

02:00:38.000 But fighters make the argument, and I've heard this argument before, like you only have so many five-round fights in your body.

02:00:44.000 Yeah.

02:00:44.000 And when you're using them up on these fights where you're trying to get to a world title, by the time you get there, those fourth and fifth rounds, they're taking a toll on you.

02:00:55.000 We could potentially see guys with shorter careers because of that.

02:00:58.000 Yeah, and also think about what goes into a camp for a five-round fight.

02:01:01.000 I mean, it's five rounds harder for eight weeks, ten weeks, and you're starting to get into, I had this camp for a five-round fight, so the camp itself is harder, too, and you know you only have so many of those in you.

02:01:11.000 Yeah, there's no arguing that...

02:01:14.000 It's like boxing.

02:01:15.000 It used to be 15 rounds.

02:01:16.000 And they went, you know, those last three.

02:01:18.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 Really a killer.

02:01:19.000 Well, I think it was that Duke Kukim.

02:01:21.000 That was the fight, right?

02:01:22.000 Ray Boom Boom Mancini.

02:01:23.000 What a fight that was.

02:01:24.000 And that was another weight cut issue.

02:01:26.000 Yep.

02:01:26.000 That was back when they used to make them weigh in the day of the fight.

02:01:29.000 Yeah.

02:01:30.000 Ooh, front kick to the face!

02:01:31.000 Yep.

02:01:33.000 Referee committed suicide.

02:01:34.000 Oh!

02:01:35.000 Did he really?

02:01:35.000 Yes, he did.

02:01:37.000 Goddamn.

02:01:37.000 Which referee was that?

02:01:39.000 That I don't remember.

02:01:40.000 I don't remember his name, but I know he took his life.

02:01:42.000 Oh, man.

02:01:42.000 Or he got suicided.

02:01:44.000 Oh, Jeremy Stevens with the right knee, left knee.

02:01:49.000 Oh, my God.

02:01:50.000 Shit, throws like you stole something from him.

02:01:52.000 Jeremy throws haymakers.

02:01:55.000 He tagged him with that right hand.

02:01:58.000 Who the fuck is more savage than Jeremy Stevens?

02:02:00.000 Not many.

02:02:01.000 Oh, switch elbow there.

02:02:02.000 Elbow by Choi.

02:02:03.000 Nice.

02:02:04.000 Looked like a jab, then turned it over.

02:02:08.000 And a leg kick.

02:02:09.000 Strong leg kick by Choi.

02:02:12.000 And a lot of people would hesitate at this point to throw that many leg kicks when the guy's got a right hand like that, and he's not hesitating.

02:02:18.000 No, he's clearly prepared well to avoid it and to counter, make him pay, and that long, stiff jab of his helps too.

02:02:27.000 He's got a little reach advantage as well.

02:02:29.000 Jeremy's about, I think Jeremy's five, eight and a half, so he's inch and a half taller.

02:02:34.000 Maybe two inches taller.

02:02:37.000 Woo!

02:02:42.000 Oh!

02:02:42.000 Beautiful timing with that right hand.

02:02:45.000 Snapped his head back.

02:02:46.000 Ooh, nice jab, too, there.

02:02:47.000 Jeremy.

02:02:48.000 Jeremy getting that timing down.

02:02:50.000 Choi's taking it well, though.

02:02:51.000 Yep.

02:02:51.000 Well, he took it well in that Cub Swanson fight.

02:02:54.000 He took a hard leg kick there, too.

02:02:59.000 Now he's...

02:03:00.000 Tide's starting to turn a little bit.

02:03:01.000 Yeah, he's walking him down.

02:03:02.000 He's walking him down, switching legs, and looking for those big shots.

02:03:06.000 Throwing some off-speed punches to close the distance.

02:03:11.000 I think a couple of check lefts would be good for him.

02:03:13.000 Troy's coming in, once again, with that head straight up.

02:03:18.000 But Stevens just loves walking forward, man.

02:03:21.000 But he's such a fucking animal.

02:03:22.000 Yeah.

02:03:23.000 I mean, he just loves these firefights.

02:03:26.000 The opportunity to test who's the tougher guy.

02:03:29.000 And especially at 145, it's just...

02:03:31.000 Oh!

02:03:31.000 He tagged him!

02:03:32.000 Right hand!

02:03:36.000 Might be it.

02:03:37.000 That was good.

02:03:38.000 Good leaping shot.

02:03:39.000 Staying with the left hand.

02:03:42.000 Oh my god.

02:03:44.000 Done.

02:03:45.000 Done.

02:03:45.000 That's it.

02:03:46.000 That's it.

02:03:47.000 Oh my goodness.

02:03:49.000 What a fucking right hand.

02:03:51.000 He is an animal.

02:03:53.000 Oh, he just broke that guy's back.

02:03:55.000 That guy's dead.

02:03:55.000 Oh, that guy's fucked.

02:03:57.000 Who is that guy?

02:03:58.000 Probably his dad.

02:03:59.000 Oh, that's beautiful.

02:04:00.000 He's playing it off.

02:04:02.000 Oh man, that's beautiful.

02:04:05.000 What a fight, too, huh?

02:04:07.000 But as soon as that tide turned, as soon as he felt like I can walk through these punches, it was over.

02:04:11.000 Yeah.

02:04:12.000 Fucking animal.

02:04:13.000 Guy's a savage.

02:04:15.000 He's such a savage.

02:04:17.000 Jeremy Stevens.

02:04:19.000 Great stuff, man.

02:04:20.000 Fuck.

02:04:20.000 That was awesome.

02:04:23.000 Whoo!

02:04:23.000 And he could do that to anybody.

02:04:25.000 That's the thing.

02:04:25.000 He takes it so well, and that attitude that he's got, that fucking ferocious attitude.

02:04:31.000 Now, here's what's real impressive.

02:04:33.000 You think about Choi's war with Cub Swanson, and you think Jeremy Stevens just smashed him inside of two.

02:04:40.000 That's impressive.

02:04:41.000 Look at that.

02:04:41.000 He got front kicked in the face.

02:04:43.000 It was almost like a crescent kick.

02:04:45.000 Took him on the side.

02:04:45.000 Boom!

02:04:46.000 Right hand.

02:04:48.000 Boom!

02:04:49.000 Snapped him back with that one.

02:04:51.000 That was the beginning of the end.

02:04:52.000 That was the head snapper.

02:04:53.000 That was it.

02:04:54.000 And that one over the top.

02:04:55.000 He caught him right on the temple.

02:04:57.000 And his legs going, boom!

02:04:58.000 Look at that.

02:04:59.000 Jesus Christ.

02:05:00.000 That's the one right there.

02:05:01.000 That's the big one.

02:05:02.000 Oh my goodness.

02:05:04.000 Boom.

02:05:05.000 That was great.

02:05:06.000 Boom.

02:05:07.000 Good job.

02:05:09.000 Fuck.

02:05:10.000 Hell yeah.

02:05:11.000 Good stuff, man.

02:05:12.000 It's a good fucking fight.

02:05:15.000 Well, boys.

02:05:16.000 Steven's always going to be that guy, dude.

02:05:17.000 Dude, that leg toss, big over right hand.

02:05:21.000 What was it?

02:05:24.000 King Mo Seth Petruzzelli.

02:05:25.000 Do you see that one?

02:05:26.000 He cleared his legs and bombed him and out.

02:05:29.000 I mean, eyes wide shut.

02:05:30.000 It was crazy.

02:05:31.000 Now, he fought Max Holloway, correct?

02:05:36.000 Steven's?

02:05:36.000 Yeah.

02:05:38.000 Probably.

02:05:38.000 I feel like Max Holloway beat him in a clear decision.

02:05:43.000 See if you can pull that up.

02:05:45.000 I think Max Holloway beat him on the way up to the title.

02:05:48.000 You know, it was a good fight, too, for Holloway.

02:05:50.000 He really avoided all of Jeremy Stevens stuff.

02:05:53.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:05:53.000 Max Holloway.

02:05:54.000 Max Holloway.

02:05:54.000 Decision unanimous.

02:05:55.000 Three rounds.

02:05:57.000 But that was in 2015. Three years ago.

02:06:01.000 To December of 2015. Interesting.

02:06:06.000 You gotta think, with a KO like that, he's like one, maybe two fights outside of another possible shot, or a possible shot at max, now that max has the title.

02:06:19.000 I like that.

02:06:21.000 I like that a lot.

02:06:23.000 Very interesting.

02:06:26.000 But once again, always fun to watch.

02:06:28.000 He's a fucking animal.

02:06:29.000 You always watch him.

02:06:30.000 You always watch him.

02:06:31.000 So much fun.

02:06:33.000 So, next week is the big world title fight in the heavyweight division.

02:06:39.000 What does the undercard look like, Jamie?

02:06:41.000 Pull up the full undercard.

02:06:44.000 For Francis Ngannou versus Stipe Miocic.

02:06:47.000 I think this is like the most important heavyweight title fight that I can remember.

02:06:50.000 I don't remember a heavyweight title fight that people are...

02:06:53.000 Biggest one in a long time.

02:06:54.000 Yeah.

02:06:55.000 Because once again, Stipe has a history side.

02:06:57.000 Yeah.

02:06:57.000 He has the, I can be the greatest of all time, or up amongst them.

02:07:02.000 And, uh...

02:07:04.000 Yeah, and if he could turn back Francis...

02:07:05.000 Then Nagano's so scary, yeah.

02:07:07.000 Yeah, the last time I think I was this interested in a fight was Junior Dos Santos versus Kane 1. What do you do with the lighter?

02:07:16.000 Oh, here it is.

02:07:18.000 I'm an idiot.

02:07:18.000 Yeah, here we go.

02:07:19.000 So we got Stipe versus Francis at the main event.

02:07:22.000 Oh, Daniel Cormier versus Volkan Ozdemir.

02:07:29.000 That's interesting.

02:07:30.000 Because Volkan, he got a quick ride to the title.

02:07:34.000 You know, I mean, he beats OSP in a real close decision, knocks out...

02:07:48.000 Right guy at the right time and by all accounts In the gym,

02:08:08.000 he was one of the only guys that was sparring with Rumble on a daily basis.

02:08:11.000 He was Rumble's main guy.

02:08:13.000 That says a lot.

02:08:14.000 Oh, yes, it does.

02:08:17.000 Rumble's talking about coming back as a heavyweight.

02:08:19.000 Check out the shot right here.

02:08:20.000 Oh, no.

02:08:21.000 They didn't show it.

02:08:21.000 It was before.

02:08:22.000 Yeah, the one big one.

02:08:24.000 The leg toss.

02:08:25.000 They showed the big shot, but they didn't show it set it up.

02:08:29.000 Here it is.

02:08:29.000 Boom!

02:08:30.000 That was nice.

02:08:31.000 Yeah, and then the big one is he throws it to the side.

02:08:35.000 Nope.

02:08:36.000 One more.

02:08:37.000 Yeah.

02:08:37.000 Stands up, chucks him to the side.

02:08:39.000 Right.

02:08:41.000 Ah!

02:08:42.000 Just because they know you're talking.

02:08:44.000 Jesus Christ.

02:08:45.000 He threw him the left leg, or his left arm on the right leg.

02:08:50.000 Fuck yeah, man.

02:08:55.000 I feel like he's at the top of the heap now.

02:08:58.000 So who else we got here?

02:09:05.000 Interesting.

02:09:07.000 The big fights, the two big fights, obviously.

02:09:09.000 The light heavyweight title and the heavyweight title, which is really rare that you have.

02:09:13.000 I'm so out of the mix with the UFC. Most of that card, I don't know any of those fighters.

02:09:17.000 The bottom half of that main card, I know Thomas Almeida.

02:09:22.000 That's it.

02:09:23.000 Yeah, there's so many guys, man.

02:09:25.000 Rob Font and Thomas Almeda is a good fighter.

02:09:27.000 Yeah, I'm asking him again.

02:09:28.000 That's very interesting.

02:09:29.000 Rob Font's a Boston guy, too.

02:09:31.000 He's one of Delegrate's guys.

02:09:34.000 That should be a lot of fun.

02:09:36.000 So, Jimmy Smith, when's the first time they have you working?

02:09:38.000 Well, I'm doing the pre and post for 220. Okay, so you're in the Fox desk.

02:09:42.000 In California?

02:09:43.000 Yeah, in California here at Fox, yeah, yeah.

02:09:44.000 And then they've offered me a couple, and I've accepted them, but they haven't announced it yet, so I don't know if it's official yet.

02:09:54.000 But soon, soon is the best way to put it.

02:09:56.000 Color.

02:09:57.000 I'm assuming they just trust you.

02:10:00.000 You don't have to do any bullshit like test shows or anything like that.

02:10:03.000 Not that I'm aware of.

02:10:05.000 I've heard of guys doing test shows.

02:10:06.000 They try people out and shit.

02:10:07.000 Not that I'm aware of, no.

02:10:09.000 Obviously, you know what the fuck you're doing.

02:10:12.000 I would imagine that the real hard gig has got to be finding one of them play-by-play guys that doesn't annoy the shit out of you.

02:10:18.000 Here's the deal.

02:10:19.000 No, seriously.

02:10:20.000 That's a real job, right?

02:10:22.000 Color's easy.

02:10:24.000 Doing play-by-play, that's a real job.

02:10:26.000 That's like being a news anchor.

02:10:29.000 But the difference between color and play-by-play is we're specific to a particular sport.

02:10:34.000 We can call grappling and combat sports and whatever.

02:10:36.000 Play-by-play guys do...

02:10:38.000 I'll do basketball one week, and then hockey, and then this, and then that.

02:10:40.000 It's a job.

02:10:41.000 It's a job, but there are a lot more of them.

02:10:43.000 You can go, okay, he's good at basketball and soccer.

02:10:46.000 You can see a body of work before they jump in.

02:10:48.000 A lot of times it's, we need a guy who knows a sport, and there are only so many.

02:10:52.000 They can talk.

02:10:53.000 Yeah, it's a very different job, very different skill set.

02:10:56.000 But people get real angry if you don't know MMA. If you're like a play-by-play guy, and you say some goofy shit, and you don't really know the sport.

02:11:03.000 The hardcore MMA fans get mad.

02:11:05.000 Yeah, they do.

02:11:06.000 They get mad and they don't forgive you either.

02:11:09.000 If they don't think you really know the sport or really love the sport, those two things are critical.

02:11:14.000 Yeah.

02:11:15.000 You have to really know it and really love it.

02:11:17.000 Otherwise, they're like, fuck you.

02:11:18.000 People hated me when I commentated for King of the Cage.

02:11:22.000 Every show I had to say something stupid.

02:11:25.000 Every show I had to say something stupid.

02:11:26.000 There it is, Eddie.

02:11:27.000 He just did it.

02:11:27.000 They just showed it.

02:11:28.000 They just showed the big Jeremy Stevens haymaker.

02:11:35.000 I sucked.

02:11:36.000 Oh my god.

02:11:37.000 That was terrible.

02:11:38.000 You know what you were really good at?

02:11:41.000 You were really good as the guy in between the rounds that was explaining who won the fight.

02:11:47.000 You and I, people don't even remember this, but...

02:11:50.000 We worked together.

02:11:52.000 It would be Goldberg and me, and then for a bunch of cards, you would be beside us scoring the scorecard guy.

02:12:01.000 But Eddie had a real system.

02:12:03.000 We talked about it, and I was like, how are you doing this?

02:12:06.000 And he had a really well thought out system, where he had a line down a piece of paper, and he had a bunch of categories.

02:12:12.000 And he had all these different things, whether it was takedowns, and so he marked all these things on top of watching the fight, He wanted to know, be able to look down on it.

02:12:22.000 Like, oh, he landed all these right hands.

02:12:24.000 Yeah, I could look at the end of the fight.

02:12:27.000 They go to me.

02:12:28.000 I have to talk about what happened in the first.

02:12:30.000 I gave him the second, because remember that second, he had two takedowns.

02:12:33.000 But if I didn't write it down, I would forget.

02:12:36.000 So as I'm waiting to go on, I'm reviewing that first round.

02:12:41.000 It's a lot easier to see what actually happened, because you forget.

02:12:45.000 Or anyways, I do.

02:12:46.000 I would forget unless I wrote it down.

02:12:48.000 The funniest thing to me, or the most frustrating thing to me, is they wanted me to do scorecards, kind of like an unofficial scorecard, you know, whatever, just like you did, and I would do it, and every time, I never wrote down a number without explaining what I was talking about.

02:13:01.000 I gave it 10-9, it's a close round, but I gave it because of this, this, and this, and people would always act like you just threw out a fucking number without saying anything.

02:13:08.000 What was he thinking?

02:13:09.000 I said what I was thinking.

02:13:12.000 I never just wrote down 9-10.

02:13:13.000 I always said, and here's why.

02:13:15.000 You may disagree, but here's my logic behind what I'm saying.

02:13:18.000 You can disagree with me, fine.

02:13:19.000 But the people that act like I just write down a number without explaining, it's insane.

02:13:24.000 I'm so not going to miss that.

02:13:26.000 Yeah, commentators get crucified.

02:13:28.000 When I did post-fight interviews once, I said congratulations to Randy Couture.

02:13:32.000 I said, congratulations, Chuck.

02:13:36.000 And I didn't realize I said that when I walked out of the octagon, who was it?

02:13:43.000 Joe Silva goes, dude, you said congratulations, Chuck.

02:13:46.000 I said, what?

02:13:47.000 What?

02:13:48.000 Oh my God, I'm going to get fired.

02:13:49.000 I thought I was going to get fired right there.

02:13:51.000 And I went up to Joe and I said, dude, did I say congratulations, Chuck?

02:13:54.000 He goes, you go, yes.

02:13:55.000 I'm like, oh no, this is my last show.

02:13:59.000 I totally thought I was getting fired.

02:14:01.000 100%.

02:14:01.000 I can talk about this because we joke about it.

02:14:04.000 We joked about it in Bellator.

02:14:05.000 But Jen Brown one time we were in...

02:14:09.000 And it was a live piece.

02:14:10.000 It was just to the house.

02:14:11.000 So it didn't go out on air or anything.

02:14:13.000 It was just for the house.

02:14:13.000 Jen Brown football?

02:14:15.000 Jen Brown?

02:14:15.000 No, no, no.

02:14:16.000 Jen Brown.

02:14:16.000 Jen Brown does stand-up stuff for Bellator.

02:14:18.000 We were in Thackville, Oklahoma.

02:14:22.000 And she said, we had been in Kansas the week before.

02:14:24.000 And she goes, hey, Kansas!

02:14:26.000 And the place...

02:14:27.000 No!

02:14:28.000 And she goes, she turns to one of our producers, she goes, oh, you know, they really didn't react much.

02:14:33.000 And the guy goes, you said Kansas, we're in Oklahoma.

02:14:38.000 And so we laugh about that.

02:14:39.000 We always joke about it.

02:14:40.000 I love Jen, but like, yeah, for weeks it was, what state are we in, Jen?

02:14:45.000 We just meant forever.

02:14:46.000 But it was just an in-house piece.

02:14:47.000 It didn't go out on TV or anything.

02:14:48.000 It was hilarious.

02:14:49.000 Oh, that's lucky.

02:14:50.000 But now everybody knows.

02:14:52.000 Yeah, we've all done.

02:14:53.000 Everybody knows that she messed up.

02:14:55.000 It was on the underground.

02:14:56.000 People were talking shit.

02:14:57.000 I've called over a thousand fights.

02:14:59.000 I've fucked up a bunch of times.

02:15:00.000 Oh, man.

02:15:01.000 The human brain just doesn't work perfect.

02:15:05.000 You make mistakes.

02:15:05.000 Sometimes, what drives me crazy is I have a very good recall for fights and for scenarios and positions that people have been in and ways guys won, but occasionally there'll be a guy, and I can't remember his fucking name.

02:15:18.000 And it's like weird.

02:15:19.000 But it's a guy that I've seen fight, like Jorge Masvidal or someone like that, that I've seen fight a hundred times.

02:15:24.000 Like, how the fuck do I... Why isn't that one coming out?

02:15:27.000 It's like the brain is just not a perfect vehicle.

02:15:31.000 It just doesn't always work right.

02:15:33.000 It's like a Range Rover.

02:15:35.000 They look beautiful, but Range Rovers work most of the time.

02:15:39.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:15:40.000 Like, I have a friend who has a Range Rover, and I asked him.

02:15:42.000 I said, hey...

02:15:43.000 Do you like that car?

02:15:44.000 He's like, yeah, but this is my second one.

02:15:45.000 My last one was a lemon.

02:15:46.000 I fucking knew it!

02:15:48.000 And he's like, but it's a great car.

02:15:50.000 It's amazing.

02:15:50.000 When it drives, it's amazing.

02:15:53.000 That's like how a brain is.

02:15:54.000 It's just not always good.

02:15:56.000 So you saying, congratulations, Chuck, and then leaving, and you're like, ah!

02:16:01.000 How did I do that?

02:16:03.000 I'll watch fights.

02:16:04.000 Not necessarily yours, of course, but I'll watch somebody calling a fight and I'll know when they spaced on the name.

02:16:10.000 They'll start going, you know that pause.

02:16:13.000 When you're watching, you go, he spaced on his name, dude.

02:16:17.000 And sometimes it'll be basketball, football, whatever, but I'll go...

02:16:19.000 I'll know as a broadcaster.

02:16:21.000 I'm like, he spaced, he looked at his notes, and he got the name back, but he spaced on the fucking name.

02:16:26.000 And it happens, man.

02:16:28.000 100% possible.

02:16:28.000 It happens all the time.

02:16:30.000 My big fear is that I'm going to be interviewing a fighter after a fight, and then I can't remember their name when I congratulate them.

02:16:40.000 The biggest fear, bro.

02:16:42.000 No, that's not just you, dude.

02:16:44.000 That's mine, too.

02:16:44.000 Before I go out there, I will write it.

02:16:46.000 Like, if it's a dude I've never seen fight before, like maybe one by first-round knockout, I've never seen him fight before.

02:16:51.000 I'm like, oh shit, who is this guy?

02:16:52.000 He might have come from, you know, CFA or something like that.

02:16:55.000 I'll write his name down.

02:16:57.000 I'll read it.

02:16:58.000 I'll say it back.

02:16:58.000 I'll repeat.

02:16:59.000 You might see me walking to the stage, to the cage, and I got my earpiece in, and I'm saying, you know, I'm saying his name.

02:17:06.000 I don't want to fuck it up.

02:17:07.000 You are not alone, though, dude.

02:17:09.000 That fear is huge.

02:17:10.000 Because you're thinking about the question, too.

02:17:12.000 Because you're thinking about what to ask them.

02:17:14.000 And were we on air when we were saying this?

02:17:16.000 We were talking about interviewing fighters is literally the hardest part of the job.

02:17:19.000 Yeah, the post fight interviews are the hardest part of the job.

02:17:21.000 Because you don't have time to prepare for it.

02:17:23.000 And then you have time to ask him one, maybe two questions.

02:17:28.000 Everyone has their own question in their own head that they want to ask.

02:17:32.000 And if you don't come up with something entertaining or creative...

02:17:37.000 People talk shit on you.

02:17:39.000 It's also very important, this is what I tell people that are just trying it out for the first time, and then any young people that are thinking about getting an MMA commentary, you're not the show.

02:17:52.000 Like, you are just trying to extract information out of this person.

02:17:57.000 Like, your question should be just to lead them.

02:18:00.000 I try to have as little personality in those things as possible.

02:18:03.000 I'm just trying to just give you the platform.

02:18:06.000 I'm just trying to give you maybe a path to take your answer.

02:18:10.000 I saw some beautiful things happen in the fight.

02:18:12.000 I want you to express what happened in your mind.

02:18:16.000 Or maybe there's some adversity that you had to go through.

02:18:18.000 I want to know how bad it was.

02:18:20.000 But I don't want to be there.

02:18:22.000 I'm just the guy that has to say those words.

02:18:25.000 Yeah.

02:18:25.000 I hated post-fight interviews.

02:18:27.000 I never enjoyed that shit.

02:18:29.000 The flip side of that, though, that I've run into personally over doing it, too, is if your question isn't a, you know, hey, great performance tonight, man.

02:18:40.000 If it's too open in, a lot of times they go, yeah.

02:18:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:18:45.000 If you don't ask them something a little specific, they'll just kind of go, yeah.

02:18:52.000 They're kind of tired, they're out of breath.

02:18:53.000 Yeah, so it's that you want them to go wherever they want to go, but also if you don't ask something specific enough, sometimes they'll go, yeah, it was.

02:19:01.000 How shitty are those post-fight interviews?

02:19:02.000 Depending on who the person was, yeah.

02:19:04.000 With a translator?

02:19:05.000 Oh, those are rough.

02:19:06.000 Yeah, you gotta go back and forth.

02:19:08.000 But honestly, sometimes that gives you more time.

02:19:10.000 I always try to talk slow and give them something.

02:19:13.000 I try to simplify what I'm saying.

02:19:16.000 But even then, sometimes I still fuck that up.

02:19:20.000 It's one of the weirder jobs.

02:19:22.000 Yeah, I never liked it.

02:19:23.000 I never liked that at all.

02:19:25.000 I never really liked commentating either.

02:19:27.000 I tried to get DC when DC was doing it, because DC was doing a few of them, like we were doing it.

02:19:31.000 And I go, oh, that's your job now, bro.

02:19:33.000 He's like, fuck that!

02:19:34.000 You're doing that, Joe Rogan!

02:19:36.000 Get in there!

02:19:36.000 I go, no, no, no, man.

02:19:38.000 You're doing a good job.

02:19:39.000 I like sitting here.

02:19:39.000 I'm just going to sit back.

02:19:41.000 He's like, fuck that!

02:19:42.000 Because he was doing the Fight Pass prelim ones.

02:19:45.000 Unless you're in the industry, you'd be surprised at how many people don't realize that there's a play-by-play guy and a color.

02:19:54.000 They just see two dudes talking.

02:19:56.000 They don't know.

02:19:57.000 I didn't know.

02:19:58.000 I was a grown-ass man.

02:19:59.000 When I first got offered the job for King of the Cage, I didn't know the difference.

02:20:03.000 I just thought, yeah, there's two dudes, two old dudes talking, and they're just chit-chatting.

02:20:07.000 I didn't see the system and the art, really.

02:20:09.000 You know, there's a problem, though.

02:20:11.000 The problem in MMA is that the color guy is the martial arts expert.

02:20:15.000 Yes.

02:20:16.000 That's the way it is in football.

02:20:17.000 But the play-by-play guy...

02:20:19.000 He's just the news guy.

02:20:20.000 He's just the guy.

02:20:21.000 But the play-by-play guy in sports is kind of calling what's happening as well.

02:20:26.000 He's saying, you know, they're moving the ball, they're doing this, they're going this.

02:20:30.000 Disformation is kind of...

02:20:31.000 But when you're calling a fight, especially when the fight goes to the ground, that play-by-play guy is not really saying anything.

02:20:38.000 Yeah, he could say he's in the mount, in the mount, taking big shots in the mount.

02:20:42.000 You don't have to be an expert to know that.

02:20:44.000 A little bit, but he's basically, he's like, when Goldie and I had a great rhythm, because Goldie kind of laid off, especially when it would go to the ground, he would lay off, and he would just sort of like, you know, he would set me up, like he'd say, and he moves into the mount position, or he would say,

02:20:59.000 you know, something like that, and then he would just lay it up for me, and then I would elaborate on the progression of techniques and where they were at.

02:21:07.000 Yeah, he's supposed to do that.

02:21:11.000 That's the hardest motherfucking job ever.

02:21:14.000 I didn't know.

02:21:15.000 So I get this job, Bud Brutzman, he takes over the production part of King of the Cage, and he wants to use me as a commentator, because the producer and I went to John Jock Machado Academy.

02:21:26.000 He knew me as the MMA fanatic guy, and he asked me if I wanted to commentate.

02:21:32.000 And I said, yeah, fuck, I'll try it.

02:21:34.000 I didn't know.

02:21:35.000 Shit, those first King of the Cages, he didn't know there was a difference between a play-by-play and a colored guy.

02:21:40.000 The producer didn't know the difference, because once I started really listening to the broadcast and the UFC, I started listening to the opening and how they open shit.

02:21:49.000 I go, oh, there's two jobs here.

02:21:51.000 This guy is just a news telecaster, and this other guy is the expert.

02:21:56.000 Didn't even really realize it.

02:21:58.000 I thought they were both experts.

02:21:59.000 They're just talking.

02:21:59.000 I thought there were two dudes just talking.

02:22:01.000 Totally different jobs, man.

02:22:03.000 Yes, exactly.

02:22:04.000 Once I realized that, I talked to Bud.

02:22:06.000 I said, hey, listen, there's two jobs going on here.

02:22:08.000 I don't want to be the play-by-play guy.

02:22:10.000 I want to be the color guy.

02:22:12.000 He said, do both.

02:22:13.000 You're going to do both.

02:22:14.000 I go...

02:22:15.000 All sports don't have guys that do both.

02:22:18.000 You have a color guy and you have a play-by-play guy.

02:22:20.000 You explain that to the producer?

02:22:21.000 Just to the producer.

02:22:23.000 To the producer.

02:22:23.000 Okay, I just want to confirm.

02:22:25.000 That's insane.

02:22:26.000 He'd never done sports before, so he didn't understand.

02:22:28.000 He just said, dude, you're going to do both.

02:22:30.000 Both of you.

02:22:31.000 Me and Don the Dragon Wilson.

02:22:32.000 We were both just in there.

02:22:34.000 Don the Dragon.

02:22:35.000 We were both just in there winging it.

02:22:37.000 It was so bad.

02:22:39.000 What's Don the Dragon Wilson up to these days?

02:22:42.000 I have no idea.

02:22:44.000 I have no idea.

02:22:45.000 But those are some of the worst shows ever for commentary.

02:22:52.000 You own it so hard, dude.

02:22:54.000 It was so bad.

02:22:55.000 It was so bad.

02:22:57.000 And then you did some shit for Pride, too.

02:23:01.000 People forget about that.

02:23:02.000 Pride 10!

02:23:04.000 Pride 10 with Henzo and Sakuraba when Henzo got his arm broken.

02:23:07.000 Guy Metzger got headbutted by Vanderlei Silva.

02:23:09.000 You were saying that Sakuraba was never going to submit Henzo.

02:23:14.000 Yes!

02:23:14.000 That was one of the biggest blunders ever.

02:23:17.000 Sakuraba has the Kimura grip in and they're standing.

02:23:20.000 And I said, I'm in the commentary.

02:23:24.000 I said, that may work at his gym, but that's Henzo Gracie.

02:23:28.000 It's never going to work on him.

02:23:30.000 And then, boom, he breaks his arm.

02:23:33.000 On cue.

02:23:37.000 There was a guy, Ed West.

02:23:43.000 Ed Wild West was fighting and he had never knocked anybody out.

02:23:47.000 Really good striker, but you know, pitter-pat kind of striker.

02:23:49.000 And I literally said, man, Ed's landing great, but not a knockout guy.

02:23:53.000 And he instantly knocks him out.

02:23:55.000 First one of his career right there, right in front of me.

02:23:58.000 I'm like, he did that just to make me fucking look stupid.

02:24:01.000 Thanks.

02:24:01.000 That's when it happens, man.

02:24:03.000 The job, man.

02:24:04.000 It's almost like the universe is punishing you for hubris.

02:24:08.000 Like you're pretending you know more than you do.

02:24:10.000 Just shut the fuck up.

02:24:12.000 Say, it looks good.

02:24:13.000 It's deep.

02:24:16.000 Yeah, seriously, you get in that habit of going, he probably will, but you don't know.

02:24:22.000 There was this one fight, Fernando Vasconcelos fought this one guy and he schooled him.

02:24:27.000 Oh, dude, I forgot about Vasconcelos.

02:24:29.000 He's like one of the great guys that never really did it.

02:24:34.000 Fuck Carl Priesian in King of the Cage, remember that?

02:24:36.000 Fuck, he was good.

02:24:37.000 Carl fucked him up, didn't he?

02:24:39.000 Yeah, Carl won that fight.

02:24:41.000 In a fight that he won, because he won, I think, two straight.

02:24:45.000 He had good hands, and he wrestled.

02:24:51.000 He had a guy, he passed a guy's guard and had him in north-south.

02:24:54.000 And I said, this position is called, some people call it north-south.

02:24:58.000 But if you look in old judo books, it's actually called the teabag.

02:25:02.000 And then I just kept going and donned the dragon.

02:25:05.000 I never stopped there.

02:25:07.000 And I would just throw those in.

02:25:09.000 That's how we're talking about it.

02:25:11.000 You're just having fun.

02:25:12.000 Well, you didn't take it seriously.

02:25:15.000 And Bud loved it.

02:25:17.000 No!

02:25:18.000 Terry Tribalcock, the owner, hated it.

02:25:21.000 He hated it, but Bud loved it.

02:25:23.000 The producer loved it.

02:25:24.000 Every now and then, I would say some crazy wild shit, but Terry hated it.

02:25:29.000 And the director.

02:25:30.000 No, no, no.

02:25:30.000 Terry loved it.

02:25:31.000 What am I saying?

02:25:32.000 The director, Steve, he hated it.

02:25:35.000 He was begging me to stop.

02:25:37.000 Because I wasn't being professional.

02:25:39.000 Yeah, I wasn't being professional.

02:25:41.000 But the owner didn't care.

02:25:43.000 He loved it.

02:25:44.000 So anyways, I sucked regardless, but I'm a retard.

02:25:51.000 We're all in the right spot.

02:25:53.000 We're all where we want to be.

02:25:54.000 I'm not born to commentate.

02:25:56.000 That's not my thing.

02:25:57.000 Now when people offer me jobs, I'm like, I don't want to commentate.

02:26:01.000 I want to just enjoy the fight and just watch.

02:26:03.000 Dude, that's what literally when I said to Dana when he forced me into doing it.

02:26:06.000 Don't you remember when you and I used to get free tickets?

02:26:09.000 I don't want to work it.

02:26:10.000 I want to watch it and just relax.

02:26:12.000 I started doing commentary because I would get free tickets from the UFC. This was like when the UFC first started going to Vegas.

02:26:19.000 And Eddie and I were like, dude...

02:26:21.000 UFC's in Vegas.

02:26:22.000 This is crazy.

02:26:23.000 We gotta go.

02:26:25.000 And Dana White somehow or another found out that I was a fan.

02:26:28.000 So he started sending me.

02:26:29.000 He's like, hey, we'll fly you out.

02:26:31.000 We'll give you free tickets.

02:26:31.000 I'm like, fuck yeah.

02:26:33.000 And so we started going and hanging out with him.

02:26:35.000 And I started doing commentary because when we'd hang out, I'd be like, have you ever seen Sakurai?

02:26:39.000 Do you watch Pride?

02:26:40.000 What do you watch overseas?

02:26:42.000 Have you seen any of the Shudo fights?

02:26:43.000 I'm like, you gotta see this guy.

02:26:45.000 And I'd start telling him about this guy and that guy.

02:26:47.000 Shudo was my favorite, man.

02:26:48.000 Yeah, oh.

02:26:48.000 Oh man!

02:26:50.000 Oh yeah!

02:26:51.000 Amazing, amazing fights.

02:26:52.000 So I started talking about all these crazy fights that he had never heard of.

02:26:56.000 And he's like, do you want to do commentary?

02:26:58.000 And the next thing you know, I was like, oh, I don't want to do that.

02:27:01.000 I don't want to work.

02:27:03.000 And then boom.

02:27:03.000 I did the first 18 shows for free.

02:27:07.000 I was sitting alone for a couple shows.

02:27:10.000 I was just all...

02:27:12.000 All by myself, VIP front row.

02:27:16.000 I didn't come here to be by myself.

02:27:21.000 We saw some classic shit, though.

02:27:23.000 If you think about the history of the sport, the history of boxing is an amazing history, right?

02:27:29.000 But boxing from 1994 and boxing from 2017-18 is not...

02:27:36.000 Incredibly different.

02:27:37.000 I think in all sports, the fighters get better and better, but you're talking about Mike Tyson, Vander Holyfield, and then you look at what we got today for heavyweight, it's arguably as good if not better back then, right?

02:27:51.000 But not in MMA. We've seen giant leaps and changes in the sport.

02:27:55.000 I was telling somebody, I said, Jack Johnson has more in common with a modern heavyweight than a mixed martial artist does with a mixed martial artist in the late 90s.

02:28:03.000 You're 100% right.

02:28:05.000 By a lot.

02:28:05.000 You're 100% right.

02:28:06.000 By a lot.

02:28:07.000 Jack Johnson might be able to beat a lot of modern day heavyweights.

02:28:10.000 If you took him in his prime and taught him some stuff, he can compete.

02:28:13.000 Of course.

02:28:13.000 Sure.

02:28:14.000 Yeah.

02:28:15.000 You take Hugo Duarte.

02:28:17.000 Even if you didn't teach him anything.

02:28:18.000 If you put him in there against some, you know, top 30 heavyweight that, you know, nobody knows, guys are like not that athletic, not that good, kind of okay, he'll fuck a lot of people up.

02:28:31.000 And then he would start making his way through the ranks.

02:28:34.000 My favorite Jack Johnson story of all time, he gets pulled over for speeding.

02:28:38.000 The cop says, you're speeding, it's 50 bucks.

02:28:42.000 He gives him 100 bucks.

02:28:43.000 He goes, I'm gonna be coming back the same way in about an hour.

02:28:46.000 Just take a hundred.

02:28:47.000 Awesome.

02:28:48.000 Because I'm going to be speeding again.

02:28:49.000 Bitch!

02:28:50.000 Yep.

02:28:50.000 And I'm going to be fucking a lot of white chicks.

02:28:52.000 Unforgivable blackness.

02:28:54.000 If you haven't seen that documentary, it's amazing.

02:28:56.000 It's an incredible documentary.

02:28:57.000 It's amazing.

02:28:58.000 Yeah, he's one of the best Roots of Fight shirts.

02:29:01.000 The Galveston giant.

02:29:03.000 It's Roots of Fight shirts with him with his wingspan on the front of the shirt.

02:29:08.000 I used to box with a guy when I had a gym and he was our boxing guy.

02:29:12.000 He had the history of the heavyweight title memorized.

02:29:15.000 So you give him any year and he would tell you who the heavyweight champion was at that time.

02:29:19.000 He's one of those guys.

02:29:20.000 I had to memorize every president.

02:29:22.000 For what?

02:29:22.000 In order.

02:29:23.000 When I was a history major.

02:29:25.000 God damn.

02:29:26.000 It's the kind of thing you just never let go.

02:29:27.000 Once you have to do it, you're screwed.

02:29:29.000 Right, you don't want to unlearn that.

02:29:30.000 Yeah, yeah, you can once you're stuck.

02:29:32.000 MMA in the 90s was fucking way different than this time.

02:29:37.000 That's one way to put it.

02:29:38.000 No internet.

02:29:39.000 No internet.

02:29:40.000 The UFC was huge and there was no fucking internet.

02:29:43.000 Yeah.

02:29:43.000 And the first taste of MMA, you know, to get any kind of fights, you know, like Brazilian fights, you had to go to these specialty video stores, like, you know, Japanese stores where you rent taped TV shows.

02:30:00.000 Still had the commercials in them, dude.

02:30:02.000 Still had the commercials in them.

02:30:05.000 And on TV from Japan.

02:30:07.000 There's a place in Little Tokyo where I used to go.

02:30:10.000 Little Tokyo here in LA. And when I was in college, when I was at UCLA, I started doing jujitsu.

02:30:14.000 And I used to go in there and the guy didn't speak English.

02:30:18.000 And I went to the front and I'm trying to explain to him what I'm looking for.

02:30:21.000 Because I knew I had to go to like a Japanese store.

02:30:22.000 And I literally said...

02:30:24.000 I said all these things he didn't understand me.

02:30:26.000 And I said...

02:30:27.000 Looked at him, I said, Rumanosato.

02:30:28.000 And he goes, Oh, Rumanosato, ne?

02:30:30.000 And he points to this wall, and it's just covered, covered in chuto and pride and pancreas, and then recorded off TV. And I went in there, like, every two days to get three more until I just knew all of them.

02:30:44.000 Because you couldn't find them anywhere.

02:30:46.000 I had to go to Little Tokyo.

02:30:47.000 The card for the video store was in Japanese.

02:30:49.000 I couldn't read it.

02:30:51.000 There was the Brazilian scene.

02:30:55.000 Federico LaPenda and Sergio Bartorelli.

02:30:59.000 Those are the two promoters in Brazil.

02:31:01.000 Sergio Bartorelli and Federico LaPenda were the two Dana Whites down in Brazil in the 90s, before the internet.

02:31:09.000 And I remember my first taste of MMA news on the internet was that Todd White, my training partner, we're both purple belts, he was a cartoonist at Nickelodeon.

02:31:22.000 And at Nickelodeon, they had the internet there.

02:31:25.000 So when everyone was gone during lunch, dude, we would do drills at Nickelodeon in their gym.

02:31:31.000 They had an awesome gym.

02:31:32.000 I would drive down there and he would take his lunch in the gym and we would do jujitsu.

02:31:37.000 And then if there was like five or ten minutes left over, we would sneak into the offices and go into the internet, dude.

02:31:43.000 And all I wanted to see was the Abu Dhabi Combat Club.

02:31:49.000 Remember that?

02:31:49.000 That was one of the first news.

02:31:51.000 That was the only place, really, that you were getting news from these Brazilian shows.

02:31:55.000 That was a website for MMA, yeah.

02:31:58.000 Dude, MMA in the 90s was alive and well.

02:32:01.000 You know, there was a big, hardcore movement, but there was no internet.

02:32:07.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

02:32:09.000 We were talking about last time.

02:32:11.000 Weighing in on a bathroom scale in Soboba out in the desert somewhere.

02:32:16.000 You just wanted to do it.

02:32:18.000 You wanted to be part of it.

02:32:20.000 It's hard to understand.

02:32:23.000 I got paid 150 bucks for my first fight or something.

02:32:26.000 Well first of all, I didn't get paid.

02:32:27.000 Neutral Grounds.

02:32:28.000 I fought at that.

02:32:29.000 Neutral Grounds in San Pedro, bro.

02:32:32.000 That was my first fight, man.

02:32:33.000 Who'd you fight?

02:32:34.000 I fought somebody from Submission Factory, Larry Landless' old camp.

02:32:40.000 Larry Landless?

02:32:41.000 My coach was Fabiana Ija.

02:32:42.000 Oh, shit.

02:32:43.000 He called me and he goes, it was Friday, and he goes, what are you doing Sunday?

02:32:48.000 And I went, nothing.

02:32:49.000 And he goes, you want to fight?

02:32:50.000 We're fighting in the back of, it was like in the back of a club somewhere, and they had set up a really, actually, really big cage.

02:32:55.000 And I went, yeah, sure.

02:32:55.000 And they lined us up against the wall, and I was next to this dude, and they went, you're about the same size, you and him.

02:33:01.000 Like, they literally lined us up, and I was like, how big you were?

02:33:03.000 Because they didn't have scale or anything.

02:33:05.000 And they go, you and this dude.

02:33:06.000 And I went, okay.

02:33:07.000 And I was the 13th fight out of 13 fights.

02:33:09.000 And I got in there, and they said...

02:33:12.000 All right, it's two five-minute rounds, because the rounds were all weird back then.

02:33:15.000 People don't remember.

02:33:16.000 It was like three three-minute rounds, two five-minute rounds, or whatever.

02:33:19.000 You know, King and Cage a lot of times was two five-minute rounds.

02:33:20.000 I don't know why.

02:33:21.000 So I get in there, and I remember thinking to myself, I didn't train for this.

02:33:25.000 I've been doing jiu-jitsu nine months.

02:33:27.000 So I'm just going to give it everything I have for the first five minutes.

02:33:30.000 Because I don't think I have any more of that.

02:33:32.000 And I wonder what I'm going to do.

02:33:34.000 And the bell went off.

02:33:35.000 The dude fucking sprinted at me.

02:33:37.000 And I hit him and knocked him down.

02:33:39.000 And I got him in Fabiano's Farsight Harmbar, bro.

02:33:41.000 In 29 seconds.

02:33:43.000 And that was my first fight.

02:33:43.000 And I was like, okay.

02:33:46.000 Fabiano Ehead was my first coach.

02:33:48.000 He was one of the famous armbar guys.

02:33:50.000 Really good armbar.

02:33:51.000 Really good armbar, man.

02:33:53.000 He was a Brazilian hopeful.

02:33:55.000 Like, after Hoyce, all Americans that were into jiu-jitsu, we liked the Brazilians more than Americans.

02:34:04.000 If we were training jiu-jitsu and we were white, we would be on the Brazilian side in any MMA fight.

02:34:09.000 Because you find out real quick that style is thicker than blood.

02:34:14.000 Yeah.

02:34:15.000 You know, you don't care.

02:34:16.000 Especially back then.

02:34:17.000 Yes, nationality.

02:34:18.000 How about when Minotauro beat Bob Sat...

02:34:21.000 You alright?

02:34:22.000 Your knee go out?

02:34:23.000 Yes.

02:34:24.000 Oh, shit.

02:34:25.000 The knee popped out.

02:34:27.000 Eddie Bavo has what I believe is probably a bucket-handled tear of his meniscus, and his meniscus will pop out, and it locks.

02:34:36.000 Want me to get you some ice, man?

02:34:37.000 Straighten it out.

02:34:38.000 Sure.

02:34:38.000 All right.

02:34:39.000 Let me know if you need anything.

02:34:40.000 What do you do?

02:34:41.000 Do you pull on it to get it back?

02:34:44.000 I'm not asking him questions, but I'm asking him questions.

02:34:46.000 It didn't go back.

02:34:48.000 It didn't go back.

02:34:50.000 He's in some pain.

02:34:51.000 Oof.

02:34:53.000 It's real life, folks.

02:34:55.000 In February, Eddie is supposed to get a knee surgery to fix his knee.

02:35:01.000 You ever have any knee surgeries?

02:35:04.000 Jimmy?

02:35:05.000 None.

02:35:05.000 None?

02:35:05.000 Knock on wood.

02:35:06.000 Oh, you're lucky.

02:35:07.000 Very, very lucky.

02:35:07.000 Add three.

02:35:08.000 Hernia surgery is the only surgery I've ever had.

02:35:10.000 Oh, no shit.

02:35:10.000 He had that.

02:35:11.000 I'm very, very lucky.

02:35:12.000 Eddie had that.

02:35:12.000 There you go.

02:35:13.000 There you go.

02:35:14.000 You're back.

02:35:15.000 Whoa.

02:35:15.000 So is it pop back in place?

02:35:17.000 Fuck.

02:35:20.000 Ooh.

02:35:22.000 That looked really painful from where I was sitting.

02:35:24.000 I'm good now.

02:35:25.000 It's back.

02:35:25.000 You're good?

02:35:25.000 It's back.

02:35:26.000 It's good.

02:35:27.000 It's like the seventh time it's happened.

02:35:29.000 You ever seen this video?

02:35:31.000 I had my leg up like this.

02:35:32.000 I fucked up.

02:35:33.000 Can you pause this and rewind this back?

02:35:35.000 I want to play this video for you guys.

02:35:37.000 Because I call this video the thirsty white people video.

02:35:41.000 Like, back this up.

02:35:42.000 This is one of them testosterone videos.

02:35:44.000 Frank Thomas commercial.

02:35:45.000 Give me some volume.

02:35:47.000 No, take it from the beginning.

02:35:48.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:35:50.000 And, yeah, and give me some volume.

02:35:52.000 Like, pause it for a second.

02:35:53.000 Okay, now give me some volume so we can all hear it.

02:35:55.000 This is the thirstiest white people video ever.

02:35:59.000 These white people are gawking about, what's the gentleman's name?

02:36:02.000 Frank Thomas.

02:36:03.000 Frank Thomas, who's a big-ass football player.

02:36:05.000 He's a baseball player.

02:36:06.000 Whatever the fuck he is.

02:36:07.000 Whatever.

02:36:07.000 He had a ball.

02:36:08.000 But here's the thing.

02:36:09.000 Sorry.

02:36:10.000 Big-ass professional athlete, but happens to be an African-American.

02:36:14.000 Listen to how thirsty these white people sound when they're talking about him.

02:36:18.000 Go ahead, play it.

02:36:24.000 Okay, do it again so people can hear, because you got it too low.

02:36:27.000 That better be her brother.

02:36:30.000 If that's her husband.

02:36:31.000 Hold on, turn it louder.

02:36:42.000 Now listen to this part.

02:36:43.000 So what's your secret?

02:36:45.000 I wish my husband did.

02:36:46.000 I wish my husband did.

02:36:47.000 Jesus Christ.

02:36:49.000 I take nugenics.

02:36:51.000 I wish my husband did.

02:36:52.000 She's standing right next to him just begging for the death.

02:36:55.000 That's a crazy commercial.

02:36:57.000 That dude is like, that's funny.

02:36:59.000 Oh, that's her gay friend.

02:37:01.000 No!

02:37:02.000 She said, or hunk.

02:37:03.000 She said, or hunk.

02:37:05.000 No, that's her husband.

02:37:05.000 She's making him feel like shit.

02:37:07.000 Look at him.

02:37:07.000 And this guy's bench pressing and shit and throwing dick at all the white chicks in the gym.

02:37:12.000 Guaranteed.

02:37:13.000 How does he not?

02:37:15.000 How does he say no?

02:37:17.000 They're literally backing their pussy up into a catapult and launching it at them.

02:37:23.000 I wish my husband did, but he doesn't.

02:37:25.000 Look, it says smash!

02:37:27.000 See that in the text?

02:37:28.000 Damn.

02:37:29.000 The text message?

02:37:30.000 It says smash.

02:37:31.000 They're talking about smashing pussy.

02:37:33.000 That's what dudes say when they say, what happened?

02:37:35.000 Oh, I smashed it.

02:37:37.000 That's what they're saying.

02:37:38.000 It says that in the thing.

02:37:39.000 It says smash.

02:37:40.000 What are you smashing?

02:37:41.000 Yeah.

02:37:42.000 Goddammit, that's a thirsty white people commercial.

02:37:45.000 Do you want this stuff now?

02:37:46.000 That's just what I'm curious about.

02:37:47.000 Did it work?

02:37:48.000 Is it effective?

02:37:48.000 I mean, it might work.

02:37:49.000 Probably bullshit.

02:37:51.000 But what's not bullshit is the love that those white people have for that black athlete.

02:37:57.000 Yeah, that was a crazy commercial.

02:37:59.000 That's a crazy commercial!

02:38:00.000 Whoa.

02:38:02.000 More like a honk.

02:38:03.000 She's calling him a honk in front of her husband, and then the other lady is saying, I wish my husband did.

02:38:09.000 Like, whoa!

02:38:10.000 Slow down, thirsty white people.

02:38:13.000 Slow the fuck down.

02:38:17.000 Well, it's a replay of your boy.

02:38:19.000 Yeah.

02:38:20.000 Mech and Kamaru Usman.

02:38:21.000 Interesting.

02:38:22.000 Interesting.

02:38:23.000 Oh, see right there?

02:38:24.000 That spinning backfist?

02:38:25.000 He got tagged.

02:38:27.000 Showed some good goddamn wrestling, though.

02:38:29.000 And all entertaining fights, too.

02:38:30.000 It was a good card all around.

02:38:31.000 Yeah, it was a very good card.

02:38:32.000 Very good card.

02:38:33.000 Very good card.

02:38:34.000 Very interesting.

02:38:37.000 I'm so curious about next weekend.

02:38:40.000 I mean, that's only six days away from today.

02:38:42.000 Yeah, man.

02:38:43.000 I'm so curious.

02:38:45.000 What do you think about the switch?

02:38:48.000 You guys were talking about the wrestling move, the switch.

02:38:51.000 Yeah, the switch.

02:38:51.000 How important do you think that is to train in MMA? God, it's huge.

02:38:57.000 I think it's important to know for sure.

02:38:59.000 It's just one of many components, but it seems like an important move.

02:39:04.000 You'd think you'd see it more.

02:39:05.000 Right.

02:39:06.000 Wrestlers do it all the time.

02:39:07.000 Wrestlers do it all the time.

02:39:08.000 But in MMA, I know it's a wrestling move, but in MMA, you'd think you'd see it more.

02:39:15.000 You'd see it once every four years.

02:39:17.000 Actually executed all the way through.

02:39:19.000 Yeah, right?

02:39:20.000 You don't see it that often.

02:39:20.000 I didn't see it at all until a few years ago.

02:39:23.000 It was like wrestlers just started doing it.

02:39:24.000 Yeah, like you'd think you'd see it all the goddamn time.

02:39:27.000 Yeah.

02:39:28.000 It's a good move.

02:39:30.000 Very good.

02:39:31.000 So, I just, you know, it's in our warm-ups and everything.

02:39:34.000 I just wanted your opinion.

02:39:36.000 Yeah.

02:39:36.000 Is it necessary?

02:39:38.000 You never see it in MMA. I think so.

02:39:39.000 You think so?

02:39:40.000 Okay.

02:39:40.000 Yeah, I do.

02:39:41.000 It's gotta be, right?

02:39:42.000 Yeah.

02:39:43.000 I teach these guys all the time.

02:39:44.000 I think it's great.

02:39:47.000 Personally, I think it's a good move.

02:39:49.000 Kamaru Usman talking mad shit.

02:39:50.000 I wish I could have heard what he said.

02:39:52.000 Paul Felder with a beautiful pocket square and a nice watch.

02:39:55.000 Look at him.

02:39:55.000 Handsome devil.

02:39:56.000 That's a nice suit.

02:39:57.000 Looks good.

02:39:58.000 It's a big watch.

02:39:58.000 Can you wear it again though?

02:40:00.000 Can you wear it again?

02:40:01.000 You can wear the suit again?

02:40:03.000 Yeah.

02:40:04.000 As in...

02:40:04.000 Nobody.

02:40:08.000 They're all afraid to fight me.

02:40:09.000 Because Bruce Buffer has a different outfit every show.

02:40:11.000 He doesn't wear the same one twice.

02:40:13.000 Well, let me just tell you, David August makes all the suits for the commentary team on the UFC. He makes my suits, and he tailors them to you perfectly.

02:40:24.000 See that one that's on Paul?

02:40:26.000 Or if you see the ones on me, I'm a slob, man.

02:40:28.000 I would never have bought those suits on my own.

02:40:30.000 I'm too stupid.

02:40:31.000 They had to bring somebody in.

02:40:32.000 But since then, I had to make me some stuff in my personal life.

02:40:36.000 Might as well.

02:40:36.000 Yeah, I hired him to make, damn, Darren Tell is number seven?

02:40:41.000 One fight with Cowboy and he's number seven above Neil Magny, which is crazy.

02:40:47.000 That's interesting.

02:40:50.000 But yeah, so the UFC makes you a few suits.

02:40:53.000 I got a couple different color suits.

02:40:55.000 Nice.

02:40:56.000 I like three or four different ones.

02:40:57.000 So they don't allow that black shirt anymore?

02:40:59.000 Well, I have black shirts, but now I have like real clothes.

02:41:02.000 Real black shirts.

02:41:04.000 Expensive black shirts.

02:41:04.000 Like an adult.

02:41:05.000 I never wear black shirts.

02:41:07.000 Why?

02:41:08.000 Ever.

02:41:08.000 I get so much shit.

02:41:10.000 Every time...

02:41:11.000 I told somebody, I threw away, I had black shirts because they go with everything.

02:41:14.000 I fucking threw all them away.

02:41:16.000 People at home, by the way, Eddie Bravo, outside as I pulled up, thought I was Joe.

02:41:21.000 He walked up to me like, how you doing?

02:41:24.000 Oh, hey, Jimmy.

02:41:25.000 And I was like, he fucking thought I was Joe.

02:41:27.000 And he goes, thought you were Joe, dude.

02:41:29.000 And I was like...

02:41:30.000 He came in with an old ass car.

02:41:33.000 My muscle car, man.

02:41:34.000 My Firebird.

02:41:35.000 So yeah, I don't wear fucking black shirts.

02:41:37.000 I'm so sorry.

02:41:38.000 Fuck you.

02:41:38.000 What's fucked up is that you were bald before me.

02:41:41.000 I was.

02:41:41.000 You shaved your head before me.

02:41:43.000 I fucking freaked out when you shaved your head.

02:41:45.000 I was like, fuck.

02:41:46.000 But it's cool, man.

02:41:47.000 It's all good.

02:41:48.000 I apologize.

02:41:49.000 It's alright.

02:41:50.000 No, it's just an illustration of the natural.

02:41:53.000 My mom got us confused one time.

02:41:54.000 I'm not even fucking joking.

02:41:56.000 Oh, no.

02:41:56.000 I told you that story on the first podcast.

02:41:58.000 Oh, that's right.

02:41:58.000 That's right.

02:41:59.000 I was at my mom's house.

02:42:01.000 She was making me dinner and I was going to watch UFC. So a lot of times I go to my mom's house.

02:42:04.000 She's an amazing cook.

02:42:05.000 She's Greek.

02:42:06.000 You guys will have to come over and have dinner sometime.

02:42:08.000 Alright.

02:42:08.000 So I went to her house.

02:42:09.000 She's making me dinner.

02:42:10.000 We're watching the UFC. She turns around.

02:42:12.000 She goes, Oh, this is one of yours.

02:42:14.000 No, mom, that's Joe Rogan.

02:42:16.000 And she goes, she fucking paused.

02:42:18.000 She goes, man, he looks like you.

02:42:21.000 I was like, thanks, mom.

02:42:21.000 I get this shit fucking 50 times a day on the internet.

02:42:25.000 I'm going to get this from my own mother, but I still ate the food.

02:42:28.000 I forgave her.

02:42:28.000 You got shit on the internet, but one of the things about you, dude, you don't toot your own horn, is you're universally respected with people that know the sport, which is why...

02:42:41.000 I was campaigning to get you hired by the UFC years ago.

02:42:44.000 I'm like, this guy's the shit.

02:42:45.000 He knows his stuff.

02:42:46.000 I appreciate that, man.

02:42:48.000 I'm excited, man.

02:42:49.000 And I'm excited, too, for Big John.

02:42:51.000 I love John.

02:42:52.000 And I'm excited he got that gig.

02:42:53.000 I hope that really works out well for him.

02:42:55.000 And I think it's going to be interesting.

02:42:56.000 I understand completely...

02:42:58.000 Kind of the step.

02:43:00.000 I don't recall a referee ever doing commentary.

02:43:03.000 I mean, he did Affliction.

02:43:04.000 He did the first Affliction show.

02:43:05.000 But it's a different perspective.

02:43:07.000 He's seeing it from an angle that no fighter or coach is really going to see.

02:43:11.000 And so I think it's great because any fighter is going to be compared to all the other fighters that do it.

02:43:17.000 A referee, he's just going to have a different perspective, and I think that's a good choice.

02:43:21.000 Also, if John does it with Mike, Goldberg and John are real good friends.

02:43:26.000 First show is Mike.

02:43:27.000 That's perfect.

02:43:28.000 I believe.

02:43:28.000 That's beautiful.

02:43:28.000 Don't quote me on that, but I believe it.

02:43:29.000 Because they're real good friends, so that should just be real easy.

02:43:33.000 Yeah.

02:43:33.000 Mike's easy to work with.

02:43:34.000 He's great.

02:43:35.000 Mike's easy to work with.

02:43:36.000 Morrow was, too.

02:43:37.000 Both guys were easy to work with.

02:43:38.000 They're very different, but both guys were easy to work with, man.

02:43:42.000 I was impressed with both of them, honestly.

02:43:43.000 Yeah.

02:43:44.000 Mike's a sweetheart.

02:43:45.000 We need more work for a lot of guys, but for what we do, there's not a lot of guys that do it.

02:43:52.000 There's Paul Felder, who I think does a fucking phenomenal job, and I would have loved to listen to him tonight if we weren't yapping, but he does a great job.

02:44:00.000 He's a smooth guy, very smooth.

02:44:02.000 I think Dan Hardy does a great job.

02:44:06.000 Brian Stan was one of my favorites.

02:44:08.000 I was bummed out when Brian left.

02:44:09.000 Yeah.

02:44:10.000 He prepared better than anybody.

02:44:12.000 Brian Stan would pull out shit about training and all these different weird things that you didn't know about preparation and things that fighters do that this guy did that was unusual.

02:44:23.000 You're like, whoa.

02:44:24.000 His preparation was top of the food chain.

02:44:26.000 It's a full-time job.

02:44:28.000 People don't get that, you know, in terms of like, you know...

02:44:34.000 When I'm not doing commentary, I'm studying fights all the time because I'm not just watching them.

02:44:40.000 I gotta sit there and study them, which is a totally different job.

02:44:43.000 What's funny is Joe never prepared for shit.

02:44:46.000 He didn't prepare for anything.

02:44:48.000 I'm speaking for myself personally.

02:44:48.000 Joe would just walk on and just crush with no preparation.

02:44:52.000 Maybe a couple thoughts, couple notes, but he wasn't preparing at all.

02:44:56.000 It was hilarious.

02:44:58.000 It's like it was too easy for you.

02:45:00.000 Well, it's all the things I do live.

02:45:03.000 If you think about how much stand-up I do live, and then how much podcasts I do live.

02:45:07.000 This is before the podcast.

02:45:09.000 That's true.

02:45:09.000 That is true.

02:45:10.000 Well, you know the thing was, they...

02:45:14.000 They wanted to have some sort of planned out interaction.

02:45:19.000 That's one of the things that people would freak out about.

02:45:21.000 When we would do the beginning of the fight and Goldberg would say, like, Matt Hughes fights Frank Trigg for the UFC welterweight title!

02:45:30.000 And this is an important fight.

02:45:32.000 I didn't know what the fuck I was going to say.

02:45:34.000 I didn't know what he was going to say.

02:45:36.000 I didn't know what I was going to say.

02:45:37.000 I had no idea.

02:45:38.000 But I knew about the fight.

02:45:40.000 So my point was like, it's better to be in the moment and really care about this fight and care about what I think is going to happen and not have anything planned out.

02:45:50.000 I just wanted to be able to go, this is what's critical in this fight, and we're going to know early on whether or not the fight's going to go one way or another based on a couple of parameters.

02:45:58.000 And I would just go into those things, and then after it would be over, I'd be like, whoa.

02:46:03.000 Worked out.

02:46:04.000 Yeah.

02:46:05.000 It's too easy for you, man.

02:46:07.000 Too goddamn easy.

02:46:08.000 I tell new people.

02:46:08.000 He's the godfather of color commentary for MMA. Are you kidding me?

02:46:12.000 100%.

02:46:13.000 But what I tell people, don't write down.

02:46:17.000 You'll think about what did I write down rather than the...

02:46:20.000 I tell people, I go never...

02:46:21.000 Play-by-play to you, of course.

02:46:23.000 But I go, color, don't write down notes or don't write down here's what I'm going to say because you'll start thinking about what What you wrote down.

02:46:29.000 And you'll sound fake.

02:46:30.000 And you'll sound fake.

02:46:31.000 It doesn't work.

02:46:32.000 Have a couple bullet points in your head, what you want to hit, just know the two bullet points, and you'll get through the open.

02:46:38.000 I think the two most important things are you've got to actually care.

02:46:43.000 This has to be important to you.

02:46:46.000 I've been thinking about Francis and Stipe all fucking day.

02:46:49.000 I'm going to think about them all day tomorrow.

02:46:52.000 If I'm bored and I'm in the middle of doing something else, I'm going to think, what the fuck is going to happen next Saturday night?

02:46:56.000 Yeah.

02:46:57.000 So you've got to care.

02:46:58.000 It has to mean something to you, and you have to know what you're talking about.

02:47:00.000 So you have to understand the sport, you have to have a deep knowledge in it, you have to really care, and then it should just sort of work itself out.

02:47:08.000 Like, if you've thought about it, and you're like, okay, here's what's going to happen.

02:47:12.000 Stipe's got to get the clinch.

02:47:13.000 He's got to figure out a way to...

02:47:14.000 He doesn't want to stand on the outside with that guy.

02:47:16.000 The guy's got these crazy long arms, and...

02:47:19.000 You can't make a mistake.

02:47:21.000 One punch puts you into orbit.

02:47:22.000 So you have to be real careful with your clothes in the distance.

02:47:27.000 I think if you go into it that way, if you really understand fighting and you really care about what's going on, it's just a matter of expressing yourself.

02:47:37.000 The two things that separate the men from the boys in commentary, and I'm like...

02:47:44.000 This is the honest truth to me.

02:47:47.000 Is number two, and I will always text like you or Anik or something when there are a lot of knockouts early in a fight.

02:47:53.000 I'll be like, how's it going?

02:47:54.000 Because that's when it's like we have to fill all this time.

02:47:57.000 Because what you understand in TV is they've booked a two-hour TV show or three-hour pay-per-view, whatever it is.

02:48:02.000 They got to fill X amount of minutes, period.

02:48:05.000 Doesn't matter what happens.

02:48:06.000 So they either use fights that they've already used or...

02:48:09.000 Jimmy, get up and interview this fighter.

02:48:11.000 We need five minutes like right now.

02:48:13.000 So that's when the tap dancing happens is a lot of early knockouts.

02:48:16.000 You have to fill a lot of time.

02:48:17.000 That's tough.

02:48:17.000 The second one is when you have a 25-minute snooze fest and you're going...

02:48:23.000 I gotta think of some...

02:48:24.000 Those are the two parts that are really...

02:48:28.000 We're not talking about how hard interviews are, but in terms of in-commentary, those two are tough.

02:48:32.000 When there are early knockouts or long, boring fights.

02:48:36.000 How about commentating for fights that you've never heard of the fighters, just a whole car with just a bunch of guys, rookies, back in 2001, 2002, just...

02:48:47.000 And, man, it wasn't fun.

02:48:50.000 King of the Kings used to have 25 fights in a fucking night, man.

02:48:53.000 Something like that.

02:48:53.000 It used to be all fucking night.

02:48:56.000 I did a gladiator challenge, too.

02:48:58.000 Eddie, do you remember?

02:48:59.000 For 250 bucks, 250 a show.

02:49:01.000 Dude, rip me off.

02:49:02.000 I got 200 bucks a fight in a fucking thing.

02:49:05.000 Do you remember the Hitman show where they pretended there weren't real fights?

02:49:10.000 Oh my god.

02:49:11.000 Babalu and Chael.

02:49:12.000 But there was real fights.

02:49:14.000 There were real fights, but they were like, hey, we're filming a show.

02:49:16.000 Yep, start and beginning.

02:49:17.000 It's fake.

02:49:18.000 So they got around the MMA rules by saying that it was fake.

02:49:23.000 Yeah, a movie.

02:49:24.000 It's a famous thing here in California for the listeners who weren't around.

02:49:29.000 MMA wasn't legal, so what they did is that they pretended they were shooting a movie.

02:49:34.000 Do you remember the cards for the fight said, like, Hitman the movie?

02:49:39.000 Yeah.

02:49:40.000 Yes!

02:49:41.000 Do you remember that?

02:49:42.000 And on the back it had the fight card on it, and it was a real fight card, but they pretended they were filming a movie.

02:49:47.000 Yeah.

02:49:48.000 And so the cops showed up and said, oh yeah, then who wins the fights?

02:49:53.000 If this is fake.

02:49:54.000 And that's why that night, they just chose winners.

02:49:58.000 It didn't matter who won.

02:50:00.000 And so for a while, those people had goofy records until they eliminated him.

02:50:03.000 This is a famous cow.

02:50:04.000 Do you remember that?

02:50:05.000 The cops showed up.

02:50:06.000 That's right.

02:50:07.000 And they had to like, oh yeah, this is fake.

02:50:09.000 Chael wins or whatever.

02:50:10.000 I forget who won, but they just raised his hand.

02:50:12.000 Yeah.

02:50:13.000 And even though he didn't win.

02:50:14.000 And so the cops wouldn't bust everybody.

02:50:17.000 Wow.

02:50:17.000 But that's, yeah, the famous Hitman show.

02:50:19.000 Hitman the movie.

02:50:20.000 I remember that.

02:50:21.000 Crazy.

02:50:22.000 Back in the day, dude.

02:50:23.000 Back in the day.

02:50:24.000 But listen, we got to wrap this up, but I just want to say that it's been real cool to be friends with you all these years while you were working for Bellator.

02:50:36.000 It always meant a lot to me that you and I were never weird, even though we were both doing the same job for other organizations.

02:50:43.000 We were both really cool.

02:50:44.000 I got you tickets to UFC before.

02:50:46.000 We hung out a bunch of times.

02:50:47.000 You did the podcast a bunch of times.

02:50:49.000 And we would text Back and forth all the time while fights were going on.

02:50:53.000 I would text him when crazy Bellator fights were going on.

02:50:56.000 He would text me when crazy UFC fights were going on.

02:50:58.000 So during the fight sometimes, I'd be texting Jimmy.

02:51:01.000 We'd be going back and forth.

02:51:02.000 It meant a lot to me that we were tight.

02:51:04.000 It did.

02:51:06.000 And it means a lot to me now that you're at the UFC. I love it.

02:51:10.000 I'm very happy.

02:51:11.000 I wouldn't be there without you.

02:51:12.000 I wouldn't.

02:51:13.000 And I'm happy everybody knows that.

02:51:21.000 You reached out to me when I first left Bellator.

02:51:24.000 And you said, keep your head up man, you're the best.

02:51:27.000 And I didn't know you knew who I was.

02:51:29.000 And that's where everything started.

02:51:30.000 And it was the first time I realized Man, people outside this bubble actually have any idea who I am.

02:51:35.000 And you didn't have to do that.

02:51:37.000 And it's meant a lot for years, and I'm just thrilled that it finally worked out and we're in the same spot, man.

02:51:43.000 I'm so pumped.

02:51:44.000 You're an amazing dude, man.

02:51:45.000 I really appreciate your support.

02:51:46.000 And you are too, man.

02:51:46.000 And you're really fucking good.

02:51:48.000 Thank you.

02:51:48.000 It means a lot to me because I'm a fan, you know?

02:51:51.000 I like watching fights, and you call them fantastic.

02:51:55.000 Thanks, man.

02:51:56.000 I appreciate that.

02:51:56.000 And Eddie Bravo, you're pretty beautiful, too.

02:51:58.000 You're awesome, too, Eddie.

02:51:58.000 Your face looks so amazing since you're not drinking.

02:52:01.000 When are you getting your knee surgery?

02:52:05.000 That's a good question.

02:52:06.000 You said February?

02:52:07.000 Tony's got a fight coming up, so I'm going to wait until after that's over.

02:52:11.000 Oh, did they schedule something?

02:52:13.000 What?

02:52:14.000 A fight for Tony?

02:52:16.000 They're working on something.

02:52:18.000 Okay, so you wouldn't be able to...

02:52:20.000 You heard it here first.

02:52:21.000 You just let something out of the back?

02:52:22.000 No.

02:52:24.000 Tony's a fighter.

02:52:25.000 He's always working on a new fight.

02:52:27.000 So, if you have your knee fucked up, you just won't be able to demonstrate techniques?

02:52:32.000 Is that what it is?

02:52:34.000 You'll end up doing it.

02:52:36.000 I think I'm gonna be on crutches for four weeks or something.

02:52:41.000 No.

02:52:41.000 No?

02:52:41.000 ACL? I went to a party five days after my surgery.

02:52:45.000 ACL, really?

02:52:45.000 I didn't even wear crutches.

02:52:46.000 Okay, good.

02:52:46.000 Yeah, I just put a knee brace on five days afterwards.

02:52:48.000 I've never had ACL surgery, so I was just thinking it was gonna be like four weeks of crutches.

02:52:53.000 If you get a cadaver graft, it's so non-invasive.

02:52:56.000 It's fucking amazing.

02:52:57.000 I hear Patella's the best.

02:52:58.000 No.

02:52:59.000 I've had both.

02:53:00.000 The cadaver's the best.

02:53:01.000 The problem with the cadaver is some people say, I've never heard that.

02:53:05.000 I mean, it might.

02:53:06.000 It happened to Benji Raddick.

02:53:08.000 He got a cadaver.

02:53:09.000 Yeah, but I think he just got an infection.

02:53:11.000 I think he got MRSA. No, I know exactly what happened because the doctor, the knee doctor that did it, I know him.

02:53:17.000 He's my doctor.

02:53:18.000 He said that was the last time he did a cadaver because it got infected and it was really bad.

02:53:24.000 So ever since then, he stopped doing cadavers.

02:53:27.000 He just sticks to patella.

02:53:29.000 I have both.

02:53:30.000 This one's patella, this one's cadaver.

02:53:32.000 This one was way quicker healing, way less invasive, and neither one of them give me problems today.

02:53:40.000 But I think if I had to do it again, I'd do cadaver.

02:53:44.000 Interesting.

02:53:44.000 I'll look into it.

02:53:45.000 They also use a thicker tendon because they use the Achilles tendon.

02:53:48.000 They use this big fat rope, and they stick that bad boy in there.

02:53:52.000 It's 150% stronger than your natural ACL. Damn, maybe I need to do that.

02:53:58.000 I would do it.

02:53:59.000 100%.

02:54:00.000 I would do it.

02:54:01.000 If you want, my guy, Gettleman, who did both my knees, he's amazing.

02:54:05.000 He just did my buddy's shoulder, too.

02:54:06.000 He's amazing.

02:54:07.000 And he's out here.

02:54:08.000 He's actually Simi Valley, and I think he has a place in Beverly Hills, too.

02:54:12.000 He does a lot of pro athletes.

02:54:13.000 Can't do shit until after that fight, so it's going to be a couple months.

02:54:16.000 Right.

02:54:17.000 But if you just did it, It did the surgery you would still be able to coach them You just wouldn't be able to do certain moves and maybe you could bring someone like Marvin Or so, you know one of your best guys.

02:54:27.000 Yeah, you know what?

02:54:28.000 You're right.

02:54:29.000 I don't think you should put it off.

02:54:30.000 You're right.

02:54:31.000 I'm looking at a whole different way now Yeah, I should just fucking do it do it just do it because that's six months that'll take to rehab Happens before you know it, but if you put it off that six months happens before you know it too And all the six months later you still have a fucked up knee and you haven't gotten a surgery.

02:54:47.000 It just went out and On air.

02:54:48.000 Yeah.

02:54:48.000 You gotta get it fixed.

02:54:50.000 Get that shit fixed.

02:54:51.000 Get that shit fixed.

02:54:53.000 It didn't look like it was gonna pop back in.

02:54:54.000 The last two times it happened, it was really hard to pop back in, and I'm thinking, man, what if it gets stuck like this shit?

02:54:59.000 You won't be able to roll hard for six months, but the reality is you'll be able to do a lot of stuff before then, especially when you're drilling and just showing, and there's no resistance.

02:55:10.000 You'll be able to do a lot pretty quick.

02:55:12.000 As long as there's no resistance on your knee, you'll be able to do a lot like three months in.

02:55:16.000 And you'll be doing...

02:55:17.000 I'm sure you'll be doing a ton of rehab.

02:55:19.000 You'll be on the ball with that shit.

02:55:20.000 You know, you're gonna be very...

02:55:23.000 Oh, hell yeah.

02:55:23.000 Yeah, very disciplined.

02:55:24.000 I'm ready to get back to work, son.

02:55:26.000 I hear you, dog.

02:55:27.000 All right.

02:55:28.000 Let's wrap this bitch up.

02:55:29.000 Jimmy Smith, thanks for doing this, brother.

02:55:30.000 Welcome aboard.

02:55:31.000 Love ya.

02:55:32.000 Love you too, man.

02:55:32.000 All right.

02:55:33.000 Eddie Bravo, love you too.

02:55:34.000 Hey, I'm releasing Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds 1. It happened about a month and a half ago on my YouTube tomorrow morning.

02:55:44.000 It's free now.

02:55:45.000 Don't miss it.

02:55:46.000 Beautiful.

02:55:46.000 And the YouTube is just Eddie Bravo?

02:55:48.000 Yes.

02:55:49.000 Beautiful.

02:55:50.000 Twister Eddie, I think.

02:55:51.000 Okay.

02:55:52.000 People will find it.

02:55:52.000 They'll find it.

02:55:53.000 All right, folks.

02:55:54.000 Tomorrow, I got a doubleheader.

02:55:56.000 So we start with John Donaher at 8 a.m.

02:55:59.000 See ya!

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