Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - January 26, 2019
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3 hours and 19 minutes
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208.56093
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Summary
The boys are back talking about the Bellator Heavyweight finals, Fedor vs. Ryan Boehner, Bellator vs. Fedor, and the future of Bellator MMA. Also, we talk about the UFC vs. Cowboy Cerrone fight, and why the UFC should have stopped the fight after the first round. We also talk about how the refs are getting old school and why they should stop fights. We also give our thoughts on the recent UFC Fight Night event, and what we think of the UFC's decision to stop the fight at the end of the fight. We finish up the episode with our thoughts and reactions to the UFC 246 post-fight press conference. We hope you enjoy this episode, and stay tuned for our next episode next Monday! -The Guys Who Know Best -Your Hosts: & Brian Callen The Guys Who Don't Get Lost in the Matrix And of course, we'll be back next Monday with a new episode of The Boys Who Don t Get Lost In The Matrix! (featuring: , , and ) and . and we're back with another special guest, in the next episode of the boys who don't know what time it is! and how they don't get lost in the dark! And we can't wait to see what's going to happen next week! Enjoy! - The Guys who Don't Know What's Next. - :D -Jon and the Guys Who Can't Tell Us What's Good or Don't Have a Good Time ( ) Thank you for Listening to Usual Podcast Topics: -JUICY! -The Best Podcasts Of The Week! -Jon & The Best Podcast of the Week - Can't Wait to See What's Going To Happen Next? -Can't Say It's Not Good - - Will We Do It Better? Can't Have It Better than That?! - Thank You, We'll Be Better Next Week, Will We Say So Much More? (And We'll See You'll See Us Next Week? , And We'll Have It? & We'll Hear It Soon? -- And We're Back Next Week?! Thanks for Listener Questions? and We'll Send Us Out Soon, Next Week?? Subscribe to Our First Episode Coming Soon!
Transcript
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It's me, Brian Callens, on the way, but it's his birthday.
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And he's old as fuck, and sometimes you get old, you lose your keys, and you don't know what time it is and shit.
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The heavyweight finals is going to be Fedor versus Ryan Boehner.
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Dude, how many of these guys just should have done that a long time ago and just stopped cutting weight?
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Chris Weidman, I think, is kind of one of the main ones.
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I think he's going to excel at light heavyweight.
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The worst nightmare, though, for a fighter in wrestling or MMA is just being overpowered by somebody.
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They would rather go in there depleted than get thrown around.
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It's such an old school way of thinking, I feel like.
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When they're 125 pounds, you can let it go on a little longer than if they were heavyweights.
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I'd hear more on the side of let it go longer because they're 125 pounds.
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They could be 1,000 pounds each and that fight got stopped quick.
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Especially when you're talking about a legacy fight.
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Right, that guy drained his body to get down to 125 pounds.
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Hey, don't get me wrong though, Henry Cejudo is a beast.
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But for people that are paying for the event, we want to see some highlight shit.
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I thought the ref, whoever he was, he was just...
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In the beginning, you could tell he wanted to stop it.
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There's guys that they just want to get in there and save their lives.
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Because when they make a mistake, they can't say, Oh, I fucked up.
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Do you remember when Big John McCarthy stopped the fight between Murillo Bustamante and Matt...
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That was some serious jiu-jitsu right there, dude.
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Hey, Bellator's got some fucking high-level fights now, man.
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They're as close to the UFC as you can get right now.
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They have the biggest prospect in the sport in Pico.
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Taking it back a little bit, what about Conan Silveira versus Sokka fucking Raba?
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And then they decided, you know what, let him fight again.
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I don't know why they don't let Big John score the rounds.
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I don't know why they don't let him chime in unofficially with a scorecard and tell everyone how it's going.
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When I did it, the problem was, when they announced the unofficial scorecard, and if I was right, and the general consensus was on my side, and they flash it, if the other fighter wins, dude, those judges get trashed.
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In the beginning, the UFC was bending over backwards for the commission, because they had to.
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Boxing doesn't have to bend over backwards for the commission.
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So boxing doesn't have to kiss ass to the commission.
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The UFC had to because they were a new sport and the commission could have easily just shut it down.
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The difference is you were doing it as an independent, meaning you weren't doing commentary.
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So we were doing commentary and you were coming in in between rounds.
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If Big John was doing it, the problem would be that he's actually doing commentary while he's doing it.
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Because when I'm doing commentary, I'm telling you what's happening, but really what I'm trying to do is be entertaining.
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No, I'm not saying that, but I'm not saying have, like, say you score it and then also do the fight.
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I'm saying maybe have him outside of it, because they have 17 commentators.
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Well, you got Frank Mary, you got Chael Sonnen, you got Goldie.
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But while the fights are happening, the voice you're hearing on television is Big John.
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Jimmy Smith used to do scoring in between rounds.
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Did he leave Bellator on bad terms or good terms?
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He's still on good terms, but they offered him less money because they have these other dudes.
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So he's like, oh, the UFC's obviously their dream job, but they signed a one-year contract.
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The color commentator is always a former NFL player.
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He calls exactly what's going to happen before it even happens.
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He goes, this is going to be a run to the right.
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He goes, alright, he's going to throw a slant in the top left.
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Hire the fucking Mama Cleto of NFL. They were all talking about him at the store last night.
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They were talking about how insane his commentary is.
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Jason Tebow was saying he's the best commentator in all sports.
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But while this is happening, while this is happening.
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Well, let's call this guy's name out, too, because we didn't give this guy's name away.
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To counter the takedown, he goes for Kimura, and he rides that Kimura all the way to an arm bar, and then he kind of swims with the Kimura still intact, the arm pops, and boom.
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Kimuras are for back takes and for straight armbar setups.
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So, the traditional Kimura is probably the heart, you know, when you take the arm and you crank it behind his back.
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You know, it's probably easier just to use the Kimura grip to take the back or to turn it into a spiderweb armbar.
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He's the guy who controls the Philosoraptors, bro.
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Oh my god, I walked out of that as soon as that fucking little wood, little animal thing.
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Chris, I love you, buddy, but get the fuck out of the picture.
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Fuck yeah, especially if I'm on TV. Dude, he has a mid-trip.
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Not only am I doing that, I'm doing push-ups before I get up there.
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I'm going to do some fucking dips on some chairs.
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Oh, we should tell people what the time code is.
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I had it up, yeah, but it was so quick it froze, and then I took it off, and then I took it off.
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Maybe they think, hey, how about we have celebrities walk out with these fighters?
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The men fighters, the female fighters bang each other.
00:10:07.000
I think the Hoist Gracie one was not pay-per-view.
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They can't do a pay-per-view in 2016. Come on, man.
00:10:35.000
I could piss into this beer can and get 25,000 buys.
00:10:38.000
You could do a seminar on Flat Earth and you'd get 25,000 buys.
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I mean, it is fucking crazy that Dad only got $25,000.
00:11:14.000
Dude, if I look like a thumb, does Jay Glazer look like a big toe?
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I'll tell you who has the best fucking hairpiece is Piven.
00:12:05.000
Do you know he used to play George Costanza on Seinfeld?
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Because he had the same fucking bird's nest thing.
00:12:15.000
That thing is fucking, that thing is sewn into a skull.
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Yes, there's no problem, you know, there's no issues.
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Thank God it's not the 80s, though, because in the 80s, man, if you had long hair and you were losing your hair, it was basically a death sentence.
00:12:48.000
We allowed him to shave his head because he could sing so great.
00:12:52.000
He's also dressing really weird, you know, with his fucking biker leather shit.
00:12:57.000
Well, he dressed like people in the gay community dress.
00:13:01.000
Came out with the leather and the motorcycles and all that shit.
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And I always thought in the back of my head, I thought it was weird that gay people wear the same shit and dumb dudes do.
00:13:17.000
Dude, we've talked about that on the podcast before, that Rob Halford conned a whole group of people into dressing gay.
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How about Freddie Mercury was telling everybody he was super gay, he was not trying to hide it from anybody, but I thought, oh, he's just a rock star.
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The band's name was Queen, but no one thought he was gay.
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If you watch the movie, like the documentary, everyone was like, what?
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But now we look back and we're like, are you fucking joking me?
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Liberace, they were like, Liberace, when are you going to find a nice woman and settle down?
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I think Freddie Mercury was a little crazier than...
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Liberace played a piano and came out in a fucking gold Royals Royce and had fucking pigeons coming out of his asshole.
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Why there's such a disproportionate amount of gay singers?
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Who's down to suck dick quicker than a gay singer?
00:14:49.000
So you think the reason why there's so many gay singers is that they're the ones who suck the dicks to make it to the top?
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There's a disproportionate amount of gay singers.
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They maintain all of this emotion inside of them.
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So they figure out a way to sing and to entertain.
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The people that are the most pushed out in society, those are the ones who become comedians.
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I'd say there's more gay actors than there are singers.
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We just talked about four or five that are dead.
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He had the full cocktail running around inside of him.
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Joey Diaz used to have a fucking bit, and we played a little bit of it one time on the podcast, but it's not the best version of it, of Beyond the Candelabra, the fucking HBO movie with Matt Damon.
00:16:33.000
That was probably one of the best sets I've ever seen him do in San Jose.
00:16:44.000
Well, he's still a monster, but that bit was just so funny.
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Oh, they're showing the UFC heavyweight champs.
00:17:00.000
Shob was shitting on your hair while you were gone.
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You never know, and there's a lot of room here.
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You're on microphone, so come over here and sit down.
00:17:54.000
These are not good if somebody hits you in the side of the head.
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Yeah, there's going to be a point where I'm going to have to shave my fucking head.
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Dude, when I do my show, they got to paint my scalp.
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B, all I was saying is if anyone's going to shave their head, it's you because Eddie has good hair.
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Can you imagine if that was a problem, like some dudes?
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I know a couple Brazilian guys that have their hairline right above their eyebrow.
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His forehead starts to inch above his eyebrows.
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He was my jiu-jitsu instructor for three years.
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You know, Jonah Hill is training jiu-jitsu with Hinata right now.
00:19:34.000
He got skinny and then he felt like his head was too big.
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That happens to people sometimes because, you know, when you get like 400 pounds, your fucking head gets big.
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Henato would say when you roll with somebody, he'd go, make his face nice, clean.
00:20:02.000
Well, you know, if his head's bigger and his body's too skinny, you're just going to build your body up and make it the size of your head.
00:20:18.000
There's Cub Swanson, Jen, Stevenson, and then Jack Swagger.
00:20:55.000
He's basically trying to do the Conor McGregor thing.
00:21:12.000
Well, even when you're talking about a girl, it's like, dude, she's filthy.
00:21:15.000
I saw a Hellcat and I went, god damn, that thing's filthy.
00:21:18.000
Well, when you hear a girl texting about something being filthy the other day, what was it?
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My friend Jimmy D'Italio, my buddy from high school, we would always say that.
00:22:22.000
I'll tell you what I love, though, is you better like the people you work with.
00:22:31.000
We should all do it together, but take it seriously.
00:22:33.000
But doing a film where you're doing that, all the makeup, you're in makeup for three hours.
00:22:39.000
You would do that, though, B. If they called you like, hey, why don't you be that guy?
00:22:46.000
You look at me at 52. Everyone in here knows you very well.
00:22:52.000
They called you and said, hey, we want to do a feature film and you're going to be Robin.
00:23:02.000
What's the butler that takes care of Bruce Wayne?
00:23:07.000
I bet you are older than Alfred was in the TV show.
00:23:28.000
But they seem much older, and now I'm 10 years older.
00:23:34.000
Amy Winehouse, 27. Jimi Hendrix, 27. Jim Morrison, 27. Janis Joplin, 27. What's your point, bro?
00:23:57.000
Cops might be the most successful show in the history of television.
00:24:03.000
They need to remind the people that you're not going to get away with shit.
00:24:08.000
Because don't you grow up thinking you'll never get away with anything?
00:24:10.000
I see your point, but that's not why it's successful.
00:24:28.000
I think this might be 35. An outstanding fighter.
00:24:34.000
Well, this is a good fight then, because Bandejas is a nasty striker.
00:24:54.000
And once he, if he, I think he will, if he beats this guy, I bet you see him get a title shot next.
00:25:28.000
When he loses, the problem is he talks so much shit when he gets fucked up like he did in this fight.
00:25:34.000
I mean, he was in the guy's face, hands up in the air, and this kid beat the shit out of him.
00:25:48.000
But what I was saying is Freddie Roach said this about Aaron Pico.
00:25:51.000
He said he could be a world champion right now in boxing.
00:25:58.000
And he goes, for Miguel Cotto's camp when he was a kid, even younger, like four or five years ago, he would beat Miguel Cotto in rounds.
00:26:11.000
He was the number one high school wrestler in the world.
00:26:13.000
He's training at that training lab with Calavita as well.
00:26:19.000
And when Freddie told me that, I went, he could compete in boxing.
00:26:24.000
If he let me take him right now to boxing, he'd be a world champion.
00:26:36.000
Yeah, besides Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, Tyson Fury.
00:26:40.000
He's a lighter guy, too, so Lomachenko's like, do what?
00:26:59.000
Boxing's alive and well in Russia, in Mexico, they got some...
00:27:14.000
I don't want an empty bottle of wine here that I gotta pour down the sink.
00:27:24.000
Eddie Bravo, no one can ever accuse you of white privilege.
00:27:44.000
51% Southern Italian, the rest Western European.
00:27:49.000
Actually, I got Iberian, I got some North African.
00:27:56.000
What if they're just collecting DNA? You know, here's the thing, it changes.
00:28:00.000
As the DNA testing gets better, you get different results in the mail every few months.
00:28:11.000
Maybe that's proof of them just making shit up.
00:28:17.000
When the database expands, when the database for the genome expands and they know the ancestry of these different people, it's very precise in the fact that it's only percentage points, but they're pretty fucking accurate.
00:28:29.000
Did you guys all do the same one, or is it like drug testing in the UFC where USADA finds it and...
00:28:34.000
I did 23andMe, but there's Ancestry, there's several different ones.
00:28:41.000
They told me what my earlobes looked like, how long my ring finger was, weird shit.
00:29:15.000
Alright, don't get Eddie drunk because he becomes like a gremlin when you get water.
00:29:22.000
Eddie's a truly good human being, so I don't give a fuck.
00:29:44.000
I watched Mike Baker's, and then I went down a rabbit hole on YouTube on MLK conspiracies.
00:29:48.000
Mike Baker from the CIA is convinced that someone helped James Earl Ray.
00:29:55.000
When he said it, I went, all right, let me look into it.
00:30:01.000
When I brought up JFK, he's like, did the CIA kill JFK? He's like, you know, with this Martin Luther King Jr. thing.
00:30:13.000
I'm like, I know you've seen bullets hit things.
00:30:17.000
He goes, yeah, I do believe he was able to pull that off.
00:30:20.000
And if you get up there, you can actually pull that off.
00:30:50.000
Now, once he's on you, you're not getting him off.
00:30:58.000
Well, he was on Warrior, so I spent a lot of time with him on set.
00:31:02.000
Did he throw you around, B? There was a guy in the last UFC. I'm a really hard guy to throw around, dude.
00:31:08.000
Hey, Brendan, who's the guy who fought in the last UFC, fights just like Khabib?
00:31:35.000
You gotta hit him up, though, soon, because he's fishing.
00:31:43.000
Grows his hair out and shaves it right before the fight.
00:32:04.000
The problem is such a big fight, you do it in England, the time zones are all fucked up.
00:32:19.000
The UFCs in England are some of the lowest rated events.
00:32:28.000
Dude, Benday has just tagged your boy with a right hand.
00:32:32.000
He just clipped him as he's trying to close the distance.
00:32:38.000
I'm not attached to this guy, other than the fact that we've been friends on Instagram.
00:32:46.000
Isn't it weird when a guy slides in your DM? They're like, ah, fuck yeah.
00:32:56.000
And I know Juan, so no matter what, I'm rooting for him.
00:32:59.000
I'm Instagram friends with Immortal Technique now.
00:33:27.000
Oh, let's tell everybody what time it is on the clock.
00:33:29.000
It's 2.03, 2.02, 2.01, 2. Two minutes, and this is the first round if you want to sync it up, but you probably can't.
00:33:47.000
He's making these big leaping movements, and he's doing it in the first round.
00:33:50.000
If he tries his shit in the second and the third...
00:33:58.000
He's going to have to because he's not that good at closing the distance with his striking.
00:34:22.000
Oh, your boy's tired, B. See, that's what I'm saying.
00:34:25.000
He's losing his fight like he's losing his hair.
00:34:27.000
He's already lost his hair, but he's still in the fight.
00:34:36.000
I wanted to lose because Brian's guys are all against me.
00:34:42.000
Arceleta's playing turtle right now and he's just decoying right now.
00:34:46.000
I'm thinking about growing a beard once I shave my head.
00:35:00.000
Joe wants everybody to be in the fucking hairless.
00:35:05.000
Because I think people that take Propecia and stuff, I think you're fucking your body up with that stuff.
00:35:32.000
That Joe Benavidez did like two or three times in his last fight.
00:36:07.000
You don't think that he already kind of had a touch of the dog?
00:36:24.000
The reason why it works to keep your body from losing its hair is because dihydrotestosterone, which is a derivative of testosterone, is suppressed by Propecia.
00:36:33.000
Propecia was originally Proscar, and Proscar was something they used for people with prostate enlargement.
00:36:39.000
So, you get on that stuff, it inhibits DHT, so your hair stops falling out, and it grows back a little bit.
00:36:44.000
But it also fucks with your body, your energy levels.
00:36:54.000
I stopped taking it because I ran out of it, and I forgot to get a new prescription.
00:37:01.000
And I was like, what is happening with my dick?
00:37:04.000
And then I realized, oh my god, I'm not on the Propecia.
00:37:07.000
And then I realized Propecia was fucking up my boners.
00:37:09.000
A cat could not, would blunt his claw on my dick right now.
00:37:14.000
So then I got off of it, and the first thing I noticed is how much more energy I had.
00:37:24.000
I've heard that, and then obviously Callen's throwing up.
00:37:33.000
He was losing it, yeah, and it's thick as shit, and it's a huge dick.
00:37:59.000
He has to make big moves to get in because he's not a kicker and because he's not a really good striker, so he's far on the outside.
00:38:05.000
So he's got to close 18, 20 inches before he makes his run.
00:38:24.000
That'll be in the back of his head for the rest of his life.
00:38:47.000
Although the internet, if you look at my net worth, I think it says I'm worth 200 grand and there's a picture of Brandon Shaw.
00:38:55.000
For me too, my network was a picture of Brandon Shaw.
00:39:02.000
Well, it said Brian and I were brothers on Wikipedia for like 10 years.
00:39:08.000
Pauly Shore thought you were brothers for a long time.
00:39:12.000
Dude, that picture that Brian posted of you guys in the early 90s?
00:39:21.000
I was like, God damn, that's the first thing I noticed.
00:39:28.000
That was like 95. That's why you and I get along, bro.
00:39:37.000
That Liberace front with the fucking leather jacket.
00:39:46.000
It looks like you guys just got busted, jerking cattle off right there.
00:40:01.000
Brian, you look 16. I think I was 28, 29. Yeah, I think I was 27 there, dude.
00:40:10.000
Yeah, I was 27, you were 28. If I had a time...
00:40:13.000
Oh, your boy just cracked Ben Deos with a right hand.
00:40:24.000
Someone needs to take that guy to Duke Rufus' place.
00:40:28.000
Dude, Belto's doing that back-to-back fights again, huh?
00:40:40.000
Do you guys want to go to Phoenix to see Kane fight Ngannou?
00:40:49.000
I'm thinking about just fucking flying to Phoenix.
00:40:52.000
I never go to a live USC as a fan, but I want to see Kane versus Ngannou.
00:41:00.000
You don't think someone's going to snipe me out?
00:41:10.000
We'll put fucking Snapchat cameras on our eyeglasses.
00:41:29.000
As long as it's not this weekend where I'm in Austin.
00:41:37.000
Boy, your DM buddy has got good takedown defense.
00:41:42.000
Because he knew he was fighting a wrestler, bro.
00:41:45.000
Blocked second round, two rounds in the book for Bandejas.
00:41:59.000
Because Mr. Ngannou, all due respect, great athlete, amazing guy.
00:42:14.000
Kane takes him down and then punches him in the face until it's over.
00:42:20.000
It could be like JDS. I think Kane gets an underhand.
00:42:27.000
It was the only time we've ever agreed on anything.
00:42:38.000
But I don't think he gets a single leg and just takes him down.
00:42:50.000
That fight, he didn't know what the fuck he was doing.
00:42:54.000
He thought he was going to win that fight by KO. He thought he was just going to go out there and KO him.
00:42:59.000
Well, he fucked up Curtis Blades in that second fight, and Curtis Blades is a good wrestler.
00:43:05.000
He fucked up Curtis Blades in that second fight.
00:43:07.000
You gotta remember, he just fucked up Curtis Blades.
00:43:11.000
That's why I went for the UFC, and you're gonna have a hard time getting in the arena.
00:43:15.000
Wouldn't it be way funner just to do a fight companion?
00:43:20.000
It would be fun to do a fight companion, but all I was thinking...
00:43:41.000
He needs to let that go and learn how to kick with that left leg.
00:43:45.000
He's going to pummel under with that left hand.
00:43:50.000
And when he circles off, your boy's going to be more tired.
00:44:18.000
He tried something and bailed on it halfway in.
00:44:29.000
How long is it going to be before he gets back up to his feet?
00:44:42.000
Dude, he has Cub Swanson, TJ Dillashaw, and Joe Daddy Simpson in his corner.
00:44:59.000
I'm collecting a dollar at the end of this fight.
00:45:21.000
It would be kind of fun to do a fight companion.
00:45:26.000
And we never get to really do them for big UFCs.
00:45:30.000
But legit, once I quit the UFC, we should travel one or two in Vegas.
00:45:50.000
Dude, I got so hungry looking at those steak and cheese.
00:45:59.000
There's a place called, fuck, I think it's Maine Lops or something like that.
00:46:17.000
Brian, you're worth $200,000 according to Celebrity Net Worth.
00:46:37.000
Dude, you know what else we should do companions for?
00:46:41.000
Like Fury Wilder 2. I might be working it, but like Fury Wilder 2. Whatever you're not working, let's do one.
00:46:52.000
Do you see Broner versus Pacquiao and then Broner afterwards saying that he beat that guy?
00:47:15.000
It's a guy who trained lions and did a whole movie with real lions where they wrestled them and shit and they had the lions like played actors in the movie.
00:47:29.000
It's a pretty bad movie, but it's like super dangerous because they taunted the lions to get them to do shit in the scenes.
00:47:38.000
How many people died during the making of that movie?
00:49:09.000
Is there anything less attractive than old cheese?
00:49:28.000
At school, they'd give you the government cheese?
00:49:30.000
They would give you a big block, like a loaf, and you'd go, boom!
00:49:42.000
Did you ever get food stamps when you were a kid?
00:49:47.000
Believe it or not, my mom qualified for one month.
00:49:59.000
We got food stamps and we went to the supermarket.
00:50:10.000
Because she knew it was going to be her last one.
00:50:14.000
And generally my mom would get us like toasty oats, like a big sack.
00:50:18.000
Because she knew if she brought like Cocoa Pebbles, that shit would be gone in like 15 minutes.
00:50:23.000
So she would always get us like the worst cereal just so it could last.
00:50:31.000
What did kids do before there was sugar and cereal?
00:51:58.000
Ooh, that nice head kick right there that he ate.
00:52:00.000
If there's one skill that a fighter should have, it is wrestling.
00:52:07.000
If you could dictate where the fight takes place...
00:52:13.000
Brendan, I know you're against kicking to the knee.
00:52:21.000
I remember when guys would do it, you'd be like, come on.
00:52:38.000
But during the fight, you're like, what are you doing, dude?
00:52:44.000
Maybe if you're fucking Bigfoot Silva and you stomped someone's foot.
00:52:50.000
I'm sure if you were a real bitch, you could do it.
00:52:55.000
If we stomped down their foot and snapped their metacarsal?
00:53:14.000
Stomped the dude's foot and shot him in the chest.
00:53:18.000
That's how quick Fitch gets a shot at the title.
00:53:21.000
Well, it's because it's the welterweight tournament, so anyone who fights Roy gets a shot at the title.
00:53:26.000
Yeah, he wrestled fuck Paul Daly, and then he's immediately getting a shot at the title.
00:53:31.000
It is an interesting fight, and especially if...
00:53:34.000
I like it in Bellator, because they're a little more lenient in their substance detection.
00:53:46.000
No one gives a fuck about who Pete goes in Bellator.
00:53:48.000
Roy McDonald looks like he works at Google right there.
00:54:00.000
He's there if somebody leaks out some trade secrets.
00:54:04.000
He shows up at your house with a fucking metal pencil and shoves it through your forehead.
00:54:09.000
He looks like a guy who's in shape, but he works.
00:54:13.000
He looks exactly like the guy who plays the Riddler in Gotham.
00:54:20.000
The thing at the end of the day about Rory is as much as you see his glasses, his preppy shirt, you look in his eyes and you go, yeah, I'm good.
00:54:33.000
I asked him about that on the podcast a long time ago.
00:55:02.000
Because I told him he should go by Canadian Psycho and he did not.
00:55:10.000
Fish is a fucking savage, but he's been in the game a long, long time.
00:55:17.000
He's one of the top, I mean, top six of all time.
00:55:26.000
I mean, Hendricks, Johnny Hendricks fucked him up.
00:55:30.000
Dude, he went on a fucking streak for a long time.
00:55:35.000
Yeah, my boy Jake Hager, also known as Jack Swagger, y'all.
00:55:38.000
He beat Eric Silva when Eric Silva was not under the care of USADA. How big is that guy?
00:55:50.000
He's 6'5", and he wrestled at Oklahoma, and he beat Kane twice.
00:55:56.000
They're getting him to fight a guy who makes meatball subs for a living.
00:56:09.000
I like the chicken and waffles Roscoe's in the background representing.
00:56:16.000
Dude, when I was in Vegas for Fight Week when Tony fought Anthony Pettis, they got this chicken and waffle place.
00:56:28.000
Dude, I eat chicken and waffles every fucking day, dude.
00:56:33.000
Jesus Christ, I forget the name of it, but it's a chain.
00:56:41.000
He did a whole thing, a series of posts from a whiskey place, talking about how great this whiskey is, the best whiskey in Ireland.
00:56:48.000
And people are like, he's throwing shade, he's throwing shade.
00:56:54.000
He's the fucking featherweight champion of the planet Earth.
00:56:57.000
He goes out there, they paid him, but they paid him to go to Dublin.
00:57:02.000
Whoever did that, they made him a bottle with his name on it.
00:57:24.000
Why don't you try some Buffalo Trace, motherfuckers?
00:57:34.000
This company was established in 1773. It's not an ad right now.
00:58:06.000
First shot I've ever done that got good rating.
00:58:16.000
This shit's really been around since the 1700s.
00:58:37.000
I don't like whiskey, and that is smooth as fuck.
00:58:48.000
Hey, I just said that because I heard Calum say it before.
00:59:00.000
I go to my buddy, and my buddy made a lot of money.
00:59:03.000
We go to the vault, and the sommelier is there.
00:59:06.000
And he's looking at wines that are, you know, $700, something crazy.
00:59:09.000
So we're going to get a crazy wine, eat a bunch of caviar.
00:59:12.000
And he goes, and she said, how would you describe this?
00:59:14.000
I've never had this, but I've had the sister wine.
00:59:16.000
And she said, it's like getting roundhouse kicked in the face by a ballerina.
00:59:33.000
If a ballerina roundhouse kicks me in the face, I'm like, I'm hanging around with the wrong girl.
00:59:41.000
Yeah, but a girl kicks me in the face, she's definitely gonna call TMZ. You ever had a girl hit you?
00:59:45.000
I had a girl swing at me once, back when I was fighting.
00:59:49.000
And I saw her hand come up, and I saw her shoulder go back, and I saw her right hand come my way, and I'm like, I don't believe this is even happening.
01:00:03.000
I didn't even think about hitting her, because it was so ridiculous.
01:00:21.000
And before I could get out, she fucking, she was athletic.
01:00:28.000
By the, you know, and swung so hard and I remember I ducked.
01:00:33.000
I just saw it coming and I just went, I ducked and it made a, it crashed into my closet, you know, and it just went, and made a huge hole.
01:00:42.000
Was this back when you didn't have a door knob?
01:00:46.000
The first time I went over to Brian's house, he has no doorknob.
01:00:57.000
So, one day, a homeless lady walked into his house and started making breakfast.
01:01:04.000
A homeless lady was making breakfast in his kitchen.
01:01:10.000
I came home, and the neighbors were freaking out.
01:01:12.000
They called the cops to come in, and she goes, and I'm in there, and she's making me a whole meal.
01:01:17.000
And I came, and my dogs were there, and she's like, honey, you got it going on.
01:01:40.000
I mean, if you got a little less crack, a year before the crack epidemic, maybe.
01:01:45.000
Dude, when I first started training, the girls I would date, because I was training all the time, whenever we'd get an argument, they'd hit me.
01:01:52.000
Not in the face, they'd always punch me or push me.
01:02:02.000
And then I remember I was living in this basement with all these roommates, and me and my girl at the time were fighting, and I was, like, lifting a lot.
01:02:13.000
And she did something that horrible, I forget what, but it pissed me off.
01:02:21.000
I lifted up the couch, and to me, you know, I thought it was a heavy couch, but it was like one of those Ikea couches.
01:02:29.000
And fucking hit the ceiling, landed on the wall, and she's like, oh my god.
01:02:45.000
If the cops came, you'd be like, I didn't throw it at her.
01:02:46.000
They have to arrest someone if it's a domestic violence call.
01:02:49.000
So even if it's not true, they gotta take me away.
01:02:51.000
Yeah, but if it's not violence, if the cops come...
01:02:55.000
But if the cops come and you say, I didn't do anything violent to her, I just got mad and I threw the sofa over there.
01:03:15.000
That's my joke where I talk about sometimes you get so mad at a girl that you want to kill yourself.
01:03:20.000
I think he did that because he thought that she was going to fucking do it to him.
01:03:25.000
He thought that she was going to call the cops.
01:03:27.000
They were screaming at each other and they probably thought the neighbors heard.
01:03:34.000
Yeah, but I told you the story where I was breaking up with a girl.
01:03:40.000
You remember that story I told you where I was breaking up with a girl.
01:03:44.000
She started opening my windows going, stop hitting me!
01:03:54.000
He looks like the fucking guy from Orange County Choppers.
01:03:57.000
He's going to fight in those jeans just so he can get dressed quick on the way out.
01:04:20.000
It's not disrespectful to him, and it's not disrespectful to the sport, but it's disrespectful to a large-scale organization to have a guy who's a guy who's coming in from pro wrestling, who's got a big fan base.
01:04:32.000
Do it the right way, and then eventually make your way into a big organization.
01:04:37.000
He's a co-main event on ESPN. Well, how'd that go?
01:04:41.000
We watched it together and we were clowning it the whole time.
01:04:54.000
Do you think he's still going to be in the UFC after that?
01:04:59.000
Dana said he's going to give him another fight.
01:05:08.000
I give him Derek Lewis and give him the fuck out of it.
01:05:11.000
Here's Derek Lewis who came from a domestic violence home.
01:05:28.000
With a guy like that, he was a pro bowler, really athletic.
01:05:31.000
Wouldn't his learning curve be very, very steep or quick?
01:05:37.000
There's too much to download, especially at his age.
01:05:40.000
He's 30. So you've got to download a lot of information.
01:05:43.000
So maybe he's working a lot on striking, but you can't cover jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, wrestling, boxing, all that.
01:05:53.000
It doesn't matter if they're that great of an athlete.
01:05:55.000
It takes a fucking while to learn the skill, man.
01:05:56.000
Well, Herschel Walker was a world-class athlete and a lifelong martial artist.
01:06:07.000
If you threw him to the UFC. I firmly believe that Herschel Walker would have given a lot of dudes a hard fucking time.
01:06:15.000
I think he was such a fucking freak stud of an athlete.
01:06:29.000
He's such an unbelievable, and a real martial artist.
01:06:33.000
When I first saw him fight the UFC, or Strikeforce rather, I was like, oh my god.
01:06:45.000
He was taking guys down, smashing them, and the physical power that he had was just scary.
01:07:04.000
It's interesting because when you get elite athletes, how many of them actually want to fight?
01:07:20.000
Yeah, but remember, Yoel Romero is a freak and so amazing because he came to MMA at, what, 35?
01:07:28.000
Yoel Romero is going to be 62 years old walking on the beach with a dick like a fucking Quaker Oats box.
01:08:08.000
He's some guy who's about to get fucked up, Brian.
01:08:11.000
The guy coming up, Jack Swagger, is the guy you should probably take notice of.
01:08:22.000
Paula Costa and Yolo Romero for sure have the best boy at DC. 100%.
01:09:04.000
I don't even want to know what to say right now.
01:09:15.000
They're calling me in this week to do fucking the breakdown shit.
01:09:26.000
It's like slash Bellator slash The Caribbean slash 300 movie.
01:09:33.000
Imagine if a guy had all Johnny Depp's tattoos.
01:09:51.000
I actually took it, didn't I? I gave you a dollar, bro.
01:09:54.000
You're the guy that doesn't think CM Punk should have gotten a shot.
01:10:07.000
This dude beat Cain Velasquez twice in college.
01:10:19.000
Had offers from Oklahoma State, everyone, and decided to go to Oklahoma.
01:11:43.000
Is that an OSP? No, it's an OSP. He's got nice pants and shoes.
01:11:59.000
What do you think about the pants and the shoes, Brendan?
01:12:01.000
I like the red jeans, but I don't like the white shoes with it.
01:12:06.000
You ever think you'd get into fashion, or are you just like me?
01:12:21.000
I would wear bowling shirts that were very flashy.
01:12:24.000
I would find them and they were shiny and I'd wear them on stage.
01:12:28.000
Brian and I were probably on our way out to a show.
01:12:30.000
Brian, do you have any idea where we were going in that photo when we were 12?
01:12:49.000
And then we were with my friend Marie Miserudino.
01:13:03.000
That was just your first CD. When he would do the tiger fucking...
01:13:09.000
I've never seen anybody crush Room when you would do that shit when you were younger.
01:13:47.000
Imagine if you get there and there's no one there.
01:13:49.000
If you go there now, you're gonna be met with the extras who have scripts for you.
01:13:54.000
Hey, Brian, I want to talk to you about this independent film.
01:14:00.000
Do you have people try to get on your podcast and you don't want on your podcast?
01:14:31.000
Like, you know The Rock can't go as The Rock in movies anymore?
01:14:38.000
Oh, so he's a legit professional wrestler, as in?
01:14:41.000
WWE for 12 years, but before that, wrestled at Oklahoma.
01:14:48.000
First of all, this is how much of an athlete he is.
01:14:50.000
Got a scholarship to play football at Oklahoma, and then was like, eh, I don't know about this, and went and did wrestling instead.
01:15:10.000
I'm sorry, all due respect, that guy looks like a regular guy.
01:15:19.000
If this guy's listening at one point in his life, no disrespect, bro.
01:15:29.000
Imagine if that tire salesman just fucking hits him with a hammer.
01:15:39.000
Well, Mike Beltran would kill him with his mustache.
01:15:41.000
He's got that shit ready in case a motherfucker slips.
01:15:54.000
He always gives you a real warm hug, and he's a very, very good referee.
01:15:59.000
I'd say he's the top three referee on the planet.
01:16:09.000
Here's one who doesn't get enough love, Josh Rosenthal.
01:16:16.000
Dude, Rosenthal didn't get left because he was gone for eight years.
01:16:35.000
But I'm just saying he went away for a hot minute.
01:16:46.000
Even if you have the guns legally, I think there's a lot of shit.
01:17:08.000
Matt Hughes tapped somebody with a Kimura from half guard.
01:17:13.000
Matt Hughes tapped Joe Riggs with a Kimura from half guard.
01:17:20.000
Once wrestlers, like a real wrestler, gets a hold of you, like a Matt Hughes or this character, Oh, shit.
01:17:30.000
You know who's one of the strongest people I've ever...
01:17:36.000
That motherfucker is, hashtag no racist, gorilla strong.
01:18:16.000
I mean, he has some work to do, obviously, but he looks great.
01:18:18.000
And he's going to get on the mic and rip a great promo.
01:18:24.000
He's a heel, so you know he's good on that mic.
01:18:29.000
That guy's, I mean, he gutted it out for as long as he said, don't look at me while I'm saying this.
01:18:38.000
He might not be the most skillful, and he definitely couldn't handle this huge top flight wrestler.
01:18:44.000
Probably didn't belong in there with a guy that athletic and strong.
01:18:49.000
How many guys you know that have fucked up, chipped up elbows?
01:19:02.000
Jacare went to the hospital to get bone chips taken out of his elbow?
01:19:05.000
Dude, it was like, you know how they put a little cup of nuts on your table when you go to a nice restaurant?
01:19:17.000
When they dropped the nuts off, that's what it was in his elbow.
01:19:28.000
Listen, when you just won't tap like Jacare, did you ever see that?
01:19:34.000
Was it the Mundials when he got armbarred by Hodger and he wouldn't tap and Hodger broke his arm and he tucked his arm in his jacket and won a decision?
01:20:01.000
I feel like Jacare got his arm broken and he would not tap.
01:20:08.000
That happened with Vinny Magalhães and Fabricio Verdum.
01:20:25.000
So Jacare got his arm fully snapped and just would not fucking tap.
01:20:37.000
So he gets out, and when he gets out, his arm is fucksville.
01:20:44.000
He realizes his arm is fucked, and so he can't use it.
01:21:22.000
He already believes that the moon landing is real, so...
01:21:28.000
I just want to talk a little conspiracy about that MLK thing.
01:21:38.000
It's one of the last things I wanted to ask him in the last half hour of the show.
01:21:41.000
There's a lot of YouTube videos on that, by the way.
01:21:48.000
You know, conspiracy theory, that's just one of the conspiracy theories.
01:21:51.000
I think most, like, there's the John Lennon one, too.
01:21:55.000
Well, for sure, but just MLK, for sure, he was disrupting this, he was bringing people together in a way that could disrupt power.
01:22:05.000
Looks like a before and after picture in the magazine.
01:22:14.000
There's pictures of him and the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers hanging out partying.
01:22:18.000
Dude, they said he used to have parties and fucked just white girls.
01:22:26.000
But that conspiracy theory, for sure he probably met those people.
01:22:29.000
Because for sure they probably wanted to meet him.
01:22:31.000
It's not like you're either in or you're out with a group like that, right?
01:22:34.000
Well, it isn't just about those two pictures I mentioned.
01:22:37.000
There's YouTube videos on MLK. Are you giving the promo?
01:22:52.000
You got like two dudes in the audience and they're lying.
01:23:06.000
I was trying to slow everything down in my mind.
01:23:22.000
You know, with a guy like this, you almost wish he got in 10 years ago, you know?
01:23:27.000
He can do some work at Bellator Heavyweight, though, without wrestling back, man.
01:23:33.000
If he can figure out a way to not get hit, you know?
01:23:54.000
Do you think there's a point where you're too big?
01:24:03.000
Stipe 240, Kane 240, JDS 240, 235. You know what?
01:24:08.000
Fedor 230. You could be 300 pounds if you train right.
01:24:22.000
The problem is, in my opinion, as far as jiu-jitsu goes, the bigger the guy...
01:24:30.000
The less training partners, he has to really get real roles in it.
01:24:38.000
And that's why, generally speaking, the bigger the guy in jiu-jitsu, the less technique he has.
01:24:45.000
Because he's used to rolling day after day just using his weight and his power.
01:24:54.000
A dude that's 285 pounds, and somehow he had a billionaire backer, and he just got all these big guys.
01:25:10.000
Buchecha's a big motherfucker, and he's super technical.
01:25:19.000
It's just the bigger the guy, the shittier the training.
01:25:29.000
Big guys come through and they quit jiu-jitsu often because no one will roll with them.
01:25:34.000
I think that's a big reason why DC's as good as he is and Kane's as good as he is.
01:25:39.000
Those two fucking superheroes smashing into each other every day.
01:25:44.000
Luke Rockhold told me that when Kane was healthy, without question, baddest guy on the planet and gave all of them All of them.
01:26:05.000
DC said to me that he goes, if that guy was healthy, he goes, I really watch Cain.
01:26:13.000
And DC was saying it just with 100% humility and just saying, look, the guy was the best.
01:26:20.000
I wish there was a way to find out who really was the best.
01:26:26.000
And he doesn't get into the picture enough, and it's not his fault.
01:26:32.000
Because with Stipe, Stipe, look, he did what he had to do.
01:26:36.000
He won the title, but the guys that he fought in that time period were not the best of the best.
01:26:40.000
It wasn't like he fought Kane when Kane fought JDS2. Oh my god, that fucking fight, bro.
01:26:49.000
But also, the argument to that too, Fedor went undefeated for what, seven years?
01:27:01.000
We don't know what Fedor did, but we know that they definitely let people do things.
01:27:04.000
So whether or not he did anything or didn't do anything, it's just purely speculation.
01:27:09.000
I mean, I bet my life on it, but not a big deal.
01:27:11.000
But some people over there were definitely doing stuff and they were encouraging it.
01:27:16.000
And we know people that went over there, they encouraged these people to take stuff.
01:27:20.000
And Fedor was undefeated for seven years at that level.
01:27:23.000
But my point was that take everything aside, leave all that go.
01:27:26.000
What Fedor has that none of them have is that motherfucker will catch arm bars off his back like a lightweight.
01:27:32.000
That's the one thing that separates him from everybody.
01:27:36.000
He would hit the ground and five seconds later he'd have you in something.
01:27:45.000
His hands down at his hips and shit, it's weird.
01:27:51.000
I mean, the Fujita fight, remember when we went on rubbery legs?
01:27:55.000
Not to mention, the biggest thing, dude had dad bod during all this.
01:28:07.000
Oh, here's something about Fedor that people told me.
01:28:25.000
That motherfucker can't get enough of the shrimp scampi, I guess.
01:28:27.000
I guess if you're from another country, you don't know any better.
01:28:29.000
Well, you don't think someone's like, bro, this place is awful.
01:28:36.000
Like, if we were all on the road, if we were in Kentucky, and we're just driving through some weird fucking truck stop, and there's a red lobster, we'd be like, ah, fuck it, there's a red lobster.
01:28:58.000
No, I'm sure they get it, but is it hard to get it?
01:29:03.000
There's got to be lobster up there in the dark sea or wherever the fuck it is.
01:29:11.000
There's got to be lobster in the dead sea, right?
01:29:26.000
The Dead Sea is dead because there's so much salt.
01:29:28.000
But Salt Lake City has some organisms, correct?
01:30:00.000
And the owner is my favorite owner out of all the clubs.
01:30:05.000
Last time I was there, I was hanging out, talking to him after the show.
01:30:12.000
His brother was an offense coordinator at Alabama.
01:30:15.000
Great Salt Lake is too saline to support fish and most other aquatic species.
01:30:22.000
Brine shrimp and brine flies can also tolerate the high salt content.
01:30:27.000
Brine shrimp eggs are harvested commercially and are sold overseas as prawn food.
01:30:32.000
Dude, can you imagine Fedor comes here, meets some hot girl, and takes her to Red Lobster and Abercrombie and Fitch?
01:30:40.000
The goat took me to Red Lobster with his fucking goofy sweater of honor on.
01:30:50.000
Yeah, but bulletproof cars pull up to drop them off there.
01:30:56.000
Bulletproof Suburbans with solid rubber wheels and shit and armed guards everywhere.
01:30:59.000
He just smells like doused fucking cologne from Abercrombie.
01:31:07.000
Jake Glazer, did he play football or train MMA or anything?
01:31:16.000
Sometimes people like to stand because they can...
01:31:33.000
He's the number one amateur wrestler in the nation when he came out of high school.
01:31:42.000
And Freddie Roach, he's the only guy Freddie Roach cosigns like this, especially in MMA. He came to 10th Planet, right?
01:32:03.000
All I knew is he came to me and he was just fucking monster wrestler.
01:32:20.000
So, he shows, actually, Joe texts me and goes, hey dude, there's this fucking beast named Aaron Pico, new dude coming up.
01:32:32.000
And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, have him text me.
01:32:37.000
And to be honest, seriously, when people come through and they tell me they're going to be a fighter and they're going to be a champion and they wrestle 12 years, seriously.
01:33:04.000
Yeah, so he texts me, and to be honest, that doesn't...
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I just go to my class every night, and I teach my heart out.
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If you want to join in on the class, come on down.
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Well, that attitude is why you're so fucking good.
01:33:21.000
I don't want to hear that I'm going to be a champion.
01:33:27.000
You would treat a high school kid the same way you'll treat a college wrestler.
01:33:32.000
I'm like, okay, I got a bunch of motherfuckers I'm training right now.
01:33:35.000
I got a lot of shit that I'm working on right now.
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So he texts me, he goes, hey, Joe gave me your number.
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And then I just kind of flaked on some texts or something.
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So I had no idea that he's been working on being the ultimate version of...
01:34:18.000
But Chuck Liddell was going to come out and take heads off.
01:34:21.000
I had no idea that's what Aaron Pico's strategy was.
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So when I heard about him, I pulled him to the side and I told him, I said, listen, don't listen to anybody trying to tell you That you can be the best striker in the world and knock people out.
01:34:38.000
I had no idea that he was trying to be Chuck Liddell.
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If I was on my deathbed, this is what I would tell you.
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Take dudes down, pass their guard, mount them, smash them, choke them.
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Meanwhile, he's going, what the fuck is he talking about?
01:35:09.000
Because I'm going to do the opposite of what you're saying.
01:35:13.000
So I kept reminding him this every time he came down.
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But really, he just wanted to learn jujitsu just in case he ever got taken down and he ended up on the ground.
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He had no intentions of using his wrestling to take people down and win the fight on the ground.
01:35:30.000
But every time, I remind him, I'm saying the same shit over and over.
01:35:43.000
Because you know, then he fought in his first fight.
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You can YouTube him wrestling international guys like from Turkey, Iran, whatever, when he was 16. Okay.
01:36:06.000
So even up to that point, right after that loss, I still didn't know that was his ultimate strategy.
01:36:20.000
So after that fight, what I said was like, you know what?
01:36:24.000
It was almost like I told him, let's turn your ass into that Khabib, that GSP, that unstoppable takedown machine where you smash motherfuckers on the ground and you fucking choke them out.
01:36:44.000
So the first loss, because when he got clipped and he got hurt, then he got submitted.
01:36:49.000
So for me, I was like, see, you should have just...
01:36:55.000
My only issue with him, because he trains with world-class guys and, like I said, doesn't ever lose rounds, he's so confident.
01:37:12.000
So he comes in and got a clip and he just doesn't give a fuck.
01:37:18.000
So now, once I realized that I was giving him advice that was the complete opposite of his whole training, all his coaches, all his coaches wanted to use the wrestling to keep the fight standing so he could use his striking.
01:37:40.000
And then, you know, it took me a couple, two or three fights to realize that damn, they were right.
01:37:48.000
I get excited for him as I do Jon Jones fighting.
01:38:01.000
So now at this point, I just want to make this clear.
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Now at this point, I realize, damn, holy shit, they did have the right strategy.
01:38:18.000
I'm like, dude, we already know you're one of the best wrestlers in the game.
01:38:24.000
I had no idea that his striking is extraordinary.
01:38:34.000
I was talking to the Bellator guys today, the insiders.
01:38:37.000
Don't expect him to smoke him in the first round, which I always think...
01:38:40.000
I think he finishes him under four minutes, but no, no, no.
01:38:44.000
One of the things that I think is critical for a young fighter that's coming up is to not rely on any one thing.
01:38:49.000
Now, if you're talking about a guy who doesn't have to rely on any one thing, you're talking about Aaron Pico.
01:38:54.000
You're talking about a legit, world-class wrestler.
01:39:00.000
And they know that you, even though you're one of the best wrestlers in the world, you're not going to threaten them with the takedown.
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Because there's certain guys like Gaston Bolanos, or there's certain boxers or strikers, they've got some nasty shit for your ass.
01:39:14.000
And they know for a fact you're not going to take them down.
01:39:18.000
If you're standing up with Paul Daly, and he knows for a fact you're not going to take him down, he's going to launch a left hook from the moon.
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That being said, that's probably their plan B. Their plan B would be gone.
01:39:37.000
The most important thing, if you can do all those things, is that the other guy has to not know what you're doing.
01:39:43.000
That was George St. Pierre's greatest strength.
01:39:46.000
You never knew when he was punching you or he was taking you down.
01:39:55.000
And he's not the best wrestler, and he's not the best striker.
01:39:58.000
But he was the best at figuring out how to do things you didn't know what was coming next.
01:40:03.000
Firas Ahabi and him were a phenomenal combination, because Firas is so intellectual, he's so smart, and he's thinking rationally.
01:40:11.000
He's not like, you're going to go in there and you're going to fuck him up.
01:40:17.000
It's all very rational, very technique-based, very psychology-based.
01:40:21.000
But the reason that made that GSP so good also is you didn't know what he was doing, but he was facing that high-level competition.
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Kostek, Matt Hughes, with Pico, all these guys, he goes, oh, I don't need to use my wrestling.
01:40:36.000
This guy with Henning Corrales, you're going to see the best version of him in Pico because he can't just sit there and fucking box with him.
01:40:43.000
I bet you're going to see something different and mix it up.
01:40:46.000
Do you remember what John Danner told us the secret to GSP is?
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Was that when we were eating at that restaurant?
01:40:55.000
He said the secret to his success is it's super simple.
01:41:04.000
He's either going to faint jab, or he's going to actually really jab you, or faint take down, or actually take you down.
01:41:14.000
He's always throwing faints, so you never know when that shot's coming.
01:41:24.000
The two of them together worked so well because they both have a great check of their ego and an understanding of the consequences.
01:41:36.000
Nate Markkorn told me, because he's trained with them all the time, said that he's an amazing chess player.
01:41:43.000
So he's really strategic, and I feel like he could always find out where you were empty, where you had a weakness in your game, and that's where he would capitalize.
01:42:04.000
I just felt like it was ridiculous that I'm going to show him anything.
01:42:08.000
Dude, there's a video on YouTube of Joe Rogan giving GSP a fucking kicking lesson.
01:42:18.000
Well, I wouldn't ever have tried to sell it to him if I didn't have anything.
01:42:23.000
But that came out of that same meeting with Donaher when we were in the restaurant.
01:42:32.000
So he's like, I'm looking for someone to teach GSP how to throw a turning sidekick.
01:42:38.000
It's like we're in a fucking James Bond movie or something.
01:42:51.000
Well, it's all about where's Pico at right now.
01:42:54.000
It's all about where is he at right now because one day he's going to be unbeatable, right?
01:43:02.000
He's on this streak that if he can keep up this intensity and he keep up this mindset, he's going to be a world champion.
01:43:08.000
The only thing that could stop him is a grave injury.
01:43:11.000
A grave injury or some sort of a mistake in his thinking where he starts taking things for granted or finds some woman who fucks up his life.
01:43:30.000
The one thing that he got out of training at HQ is he's pretty goddamn good at twisters.
01:43:57.000
I mean, dude, he looks like a world champion boxer when he's got his hands up.
01:44:32.000
I better tell you what I tell you, Eric and Bellator, under four, bro.
01:44:45.000
Morales is great, but Corrales is not doing well.
01:45:17.000
I don't like seeing a young man get hit like that.
01:45:38.000
So he just wades in, and you could tell that Corrales had recovered.
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Dude, I'm the Drake of MMA. And then two on the way down.
01:46:13.000
And then a third one when he's already out cold.
01:46:40.000
Who's going to stop Aaron Pico from taking him down?
01:46:48.000
You can do all things, but if you're standing in front of a guy all the time, if you get that guy hurt the way he got that hurt, that guy hurt, if you're objective, okay?
01:46:55.000
It's easy to be Monday morning quarterback, right?
01:46:58.000
But objective, looking at it right now, I would say, take him down.
01:47:11.000
You close all the variables down when you take a guy down and mount him and start dropping elbows on his head.
01:47:17.000
If you can maintain the mount position and keep punching and you already know he's fucked up, it's all a matter of whether he's going to tap to strikes or you're going to get a choke.
01:47:28.000
It's a bummer, but it's also not a bummer for Corrales.
01:47:37.000
As good as you are, you've got to understand the mind.
01:47:40.000
You can't let yourself get sucked into this path for glory where you're wild and reckless and you're not keeping your hands up and you're not respecting the power of the guy that you're fighting.
01:47:50.000
Especially when you have The technique, though.
01:47:56.000
He hurt him and then just saw blood and was like, fuck it.
01:48:02.000
He's 22 and he thought he could just smash that guy.
01:48:08.000
And he probably would have if he fought technical.
01:48:13.000
He got caught in a clinch and this kid had him here and he was hitting himself.
01:48:16.000
Well, the kid hit him to the body twice in Corralston, and he clipped him on the chin with a perfect punch.
01:48:27.000
And on the way down, he clipped him two more times.
01:48:45.000
Are you sure you don't want to just stay for the first round?
01:48:48.000
It's definitely not going to go more than one round.
01:48:53.000
Brian, I'll open for you, but you've got to stay here right now.
01:48:56.000
And Jamie's going to be there too recording it.
01:48:58.000
He has a filling in his tooth that hurts when he records things.
01:49:01.000
Dude, Aaron Pico right now is going, what the fuck?
01:49:05.000
I don't think he totally understands even what happened.
01:49:21.000
And there's moments where you have to open yourself up.
01:49:29.000
That motherfucker, when he gets you hurt, he goes after you correctly.
01:49:42.000
There's no way you're going to get knocked out from the mount.
01:49:46.000
You can knock a guy out from the mound, but he can't knock you out.
01:49:53.000
Anderson Silva, when he would hurt you, he would take his time.
01:49:56.000
He would take his time, and he would stay focused.
01:49:59.000
And if he knew you were fucked up, and he knew he could just walk in and smash you, then he would take advantage of that.
01:50:17.000
He just stays in that clinch and Pico's right there when the right hand hits.
01:50:24.000
Even when he was getting hit with shots, he never adjusted.
01:50:31.000
I mean, look, he got clipped, and the guy launched a perfect right hand, but my thing is, Pico really shouldn't be standing in front of him right here, flipping a coin.
01:50:40.000
Okay, because maybe it's heads, maybe it's tails.
01:50:46.000
But my thing is, if you're Aaron Pico, one of the best wrestlers to ever do MMA, why wouldn't you shoot right there?
01:50:52.000
You've got that guy in a position where he's throwing wild shots.
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GSP's going to duck under a shot, take you down, and then you fuck, he's going to beat you up when you stand back up.
01:51:11.000
Take ego and take your personality and take your personal identity out of this and look at this as these are little pieces that are moving around on a board.
01:51:21.000
And these pieces have properties, they have values, and they have powers, and they have weaknesses.
01:51:26.000
And if you watch these pieces play out like you're looking at a mathematical algorithm, you realize when there's flaws.
01:51:34.000
We stand in front of each other and just do this.
01:51:38.000
Gokhan Saki got knocked out by Khalil Roundtree with a perfect left hand.
01:51:42.000
Gokhan Saki is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time.
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Think about all the fighters in MMA history that have been known to have rock-solid chins.
01:52:12.000
He's never been rocked and he's been hit solid.
01:52:23.000
But you know already, with Pico, he got rocked in his first fight.
01:52:29.000
So we know now that, damn, he's not going to be known to have the ultimate chin, for sure.
01:52:39.000
I think he was hurt, and even though he's moving in for the kill, I think he'd been tagged a few times in the mix there.
01:52:47.000
Yeah, I think there was punches that landed, and maybe they didn't take him out, and maybe they didn't even make him buckle.
01:52:53.000
But when you get clipped, have you ever walked into a door, and people don't know you walked in the door, and you can just keep walking, but your head's like, fuck.
01:53:00.000
Now, imagine if you're in the middle of a fight.
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With the earphone, I just bumped into you lightly, and it hurt the motherfucker.
01:53:11.000
But if you get that many KOs that early in your career, it's not a good sign.
01:53:28.000
Luckily for Pico, he's such an amazing wrestler that he can actually...
01:53:36.000
Go to my next fight and the next fight after that and just trade fucking blows.
01:53:46.000
Or you could just play it safe and go, you know what?
01:53:48.000
I'm going to use my wrestling to take this motherfucker down, mount his ass, and Khabib these motherfuckers.
01:54:02.000
Guys, when you're the life of the party, you're with me.
01:54:04.000
But you're the life of the party when you get there anyway.
01:54:07.000
I bet most of the cool people aren't even there yet.
01:54:26.000
Eddie, I think what you just said is very important.
01:54:28.000
I think what you said is very important, and this was a really interesting thing that happened.
01:54:32.000
Keep doing what you're doing, or go Khabib style.
01:54:34.000
But this is really interesting what just happened.
01:54:37.000
One is mix both of them up like GSP. The thing about GSP that's so interesting is it wasn't just Khabib style.
01:54:49.000
The only reason he was striking is because you just can't go in there at the bell and take a guy down.
01:55:00.000
But the number one mission in his mind was to take his opponent down and play it safe and mount him and pound him on the ground.
01:55:11.000
But that wasn't the blueprint with Josh Koscheck.
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And that was the blueprint with Johnny Hendricks.
01:55:16.000
With Josh Koscheck, he jabbed the shit out of him.
01:55:21.000
I think he tries to take every fucking body down.
01:55:31.000
He tried a few times, but he wasn't successful.
01:55:33.000
Josh Koscheck, the game plan was literally to get him to move forward so you double-liked him.
01:55:38.000
I would say 99% of GSP's fights are designed to take the fight to the ground.
01:55:44.000
They got real boring too, let's be honest, fellas.
01:55:46.000
But he also fought an intelligent way of fighting.
01:56:08.000
And they said he's real thin too, looking at a 55 fight.
01:56:11.000
And even though Khabib does stand a lot and play on his feet a lot, his main objective is to take a motherfucker down.
01:56:23.000
But he will fuck around and throw some strikes.
01:56:25.000
Why are they still talking about a Floyd Mayweather fight?
01:56:32.000
He goes, I have three fights left if it's up to me.
01:56:56.000
Maybe he lasts all 12, but he'd get battered the fuck up.
01:57:05.000
I'd much rather see him fight GSP. Yeah, me too.
01:57:08.000
But I don't think it's, I mean, it's a terrible move for him to fight Floyd.
01:57:13.000
Floyd would just, look, Floyd is the best boxer, maybe, of our era, maybe of all time.
01:57:29.000
He's like, nah, I make so much money off whiskey and this.
01:57:38.000
It's going to keep happening as much as it can.
01:57:42.000
Now that the Fertittas don't own the UFC and now this corporation owns it, now everyone is thinking about themselves.
01:57:52.000
I'm saying that Conor has so much leverage now where it's not a good thing.
01:57:56.000
So you think they're going to not make someone a giant star who could be a giant star because they're worried that person's going to have leverage?
01:58:02.000
No, they'll make him a giant star in the UFC. They're not going to let him jump over and do a co-promotion with Floyd Mayweather again.
01:58:09.000
And if you think they keep doing it, who else would they do it with?
01:58:14.000
If they had another Conor, they'd do it the same way.
01:58:22.000
It's an education for people that appreciate martial arts.
01:58:24.000
Because you really got to understand what a world-class, top-of-the-food chain, maybe the best-of-all-time boxer does to an MMA fighter.
01:58:35.000
What I'm saying is, it was good for the sport, and if someone comes along that's different, someone comes along, it's not Floyd, it's someone else, and the same situation arises again, and there's another opportunity to make a shitload of money, they're going to do it again.
01:58:52.000
He probably doesn't want to do it that many more times.
01:58:54.000
The only thing that would fuck Floyd up is his extravagant spending.
01:59:08.000
At what point is UFC like, this is a bad look, man.
01:59:12.000
It depends on whether or not it's obvious that they had no chance.
01:59:18.000
With Conor, the interesting thing is, he landed a couple of shots, and you go, okay, if this guy could take this guy down, or even just kick his legs, if Conor could just kick his legs, it would be a wash.
01:59:30.000
And it's interesting to watch someone even fail against someone who's way better at their sport.
01:59:36.000
The real question is, are you ever going to see a world-class boxer?
01:59:41.000
By the time we saw James Toney, he had been really late in the game.
01:59:44.000
When Vince Phillips fought Masato in K-1, he was late in the game.
01:59:48.000
They were on their way out looking for money, right?
01:59:59.000
A Crawford step into MMA. A Lomachenko step into MMA in their prime.
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Because if they're at that level, they're making so much money.
02:00:10.000
And why would you risk going into the UFC? Think about in 50 years how awesome that poster is going to be of Conor and Floyd.
02:00:21.000
You're going to be 90 and it's going to be framed in a little bit.
02:00:30.000
Can you imagine having that poster in your living room?
02:00:41.000
If someone else does it, it's not as fun, I don't think.
02:00:44.000
So, if someone else comes along, and the same person wants to find her.
02:00:53.000
I watch women in their underwear beat each other.
02:01:04.000
If Khabib stepped in and tried to fight Floyd right now...
02:01:07.000
Right now, if they set it up in two months, I guarantee you it would sell at least a million paper.
02:01:19.000
Dude, Khabib Floyd could fight fucking Jamie for a million.
02:01:22.000
Do you think he would do a million pay-per-views or more?
02:01:36.000
Pacquiao, then Tim Bradley, and then retired, right?
02:01:38.000
And Pacquiao got the most pay-per-view numbers ever, but then Tim Bradley, if I'm correct...
02:01:44.000
Only got a few hundred thousand, like 300,000 pay-per-view buys.
02:01:49.000
So then afterwards, he fights Conor and he gets like two million whatever the fuck it was.
02:02:02.000
That only gets 350,000 or something like that, pay-per-view buys.
02:02:05.000
Then he fights Conor and it's millions of pay-per-views.
02:02:09.000
If he fought Khabib, it would still be better than fighting any of those other guys.
02:02:17.000
Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd Mayer is probably going to get that again.
02:02:47.000
That's when you realize how good Terrence Crawford is.
02:02:50.000
Well, you realize Crawford is, if he's not the best in the world, he's top two or three.
02:02:56.000
He goes, it'd be tough to go against Crawford right now.
02:03:18.000
I think Fedor has shown massive signs of chin deterioration.
02:03:27.000
I mean, when I saw him beat the shit out of Mitrion and take him down at will, I was like, I am so impressed.
02:03:32.000
Dude, how about he starched King Mo in like 30 seconds?
02:03:36.000
When he moved over to Bellator, too, something happened.
02:03:39.000
And, I mean, it was almost like he realized, like, holy shit, I'm not even in the UFC anymore.
02:03:45.000
When he beat Phil, you know, he's beaten some really good guys, man.
02:03:51.000
When you look at him, like everything about him, like technically, the way he's moving, the way he fights.
02:03:56.000
And he's a good example of what we were talking about earlier.
02:04:01.000
He's doing everything and he's mixing everything up.
02:04:09.000
So he was trying to negotiate with Bellator his contract.
02:04:15.000
You're going to be a free agent and be a double champ champ?
02:04:20.000
If you own the light heavyweight title and heavyweight title, you're about to get paid.
02:04:24.000
And I said, oh, how about a super fight with DC? Whoa.
02:04:28.000
Well, the thing is, although he's famous in the Bellator circle, how many people know who he is outside of Bellator?
02:04:38.000
Well, he fought in the UFC, though, for a long time.
02:04:46.000
If they don't see you there, they go, where's he been?
02:04:48.000
You don't think you can sell double champ versus double champ?
02:04:51.000
You can sell it if you're willing to acknowledge Bellator.
02:04:56.000
They never acknowledged when we was fighting in Pride.
02:04:59.000
They literally didn't even want me to say Pride.
02:05:03.000
They don't want to acknowledge other organizations.
02:05:05.000
Especially back then because Pride fucked them over.
02:05:07.000
Remember they had that whole sneaky deal like they gave him Chuck Liddell and Vanderlei is supposed to come over here and then they reneged.
02:05:15.000
And I was still, as a person who's a martial arts commentator, you have to bring up Fedor.
02:05:21.000
You had to bring up a lot of the people that were making big noise over in Japan.
02:05:29.000
It'd be cool if they had opened up so we could see who's the absolute best in the world.
02:05:36.000
And I would be very curious to see how much better he's gotten.
02:05:39.000
Because sometimes guys turn a corner, and then all of a sudden they just become the best.
02:05:45.000
His opposition right now, because Mitrion, right?
02:05:47.000
He was never a world beater in the UFC. I mean, he was in a top five guy.
02:05:56.000
Phil Davis is a guy who beat a lot of fucking good people.
02:05:58.000
And Phil's another one who looked better once he got to Bellator.
02:06:05.000
When there's a new chapter in your life like that, you've got to rise to the occasion.
02:06:17.000
And at light heavyweight, he would keel right now in the UFC. There's nobody.
02:06:22.000
Once Bellator stars started signing with the UFC, like with Chandler and Alvarez.
02:06:32.000
Once they started going that way, and now Ben Askren.
02:06:41.000
When Bellator fighters are being signed to UFC based on their stardom, Bellator's legit as fuck.
02:06:51.000
Rory McDonald, for sure, one of the best on the planet.
02:06:57.000
I mean, Mousasi is absolutely one of the best on the planet.
02:07:04.000
Do you think he'll ever go to the UFC? They treat him well.
02:07:17.000
Well, he fought Koroskov, which I don't think was the right move.
02:07:25.000
And I love Ben, a friend of mine, but he doesn't look like the same Ben that competed against Frankie Edgar and those guys.
02:07:31.000
That's true, but you have to remember that he's been fighting world-class competition forever.
02:07:44.000
He came along, his career was hard and rough, but it was later in the time period than Ben.
02:07:55.000
You've got to remember, he was the champ back then.
02:07:58.000
Pettis takes his title with that crazy kick to close out WEC. They go over to the UFC. He fights everybody.
02:08:10.000
He got stopped by Dos Anjos when Dos Anjos was on his up-come.
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When Dos Anjos was on the way to the title, that was the big fight.
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Dos Anjos, for that time period, there was a time period of like two years where I think Dos Anjos was just a fucking berserker.
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And then, and it's not, I don't know, it could be a coincidence.
02:08:36.000
Well, you know, one thing that'll never change.
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And then when to 70, he's a fucking monster at 70. He's not as good at 70 as he is at 55. He's fucking good at 70, bro.
02:08:49.000
The big, strong wrestlers are giving him a hard time.
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No matter what fighters go from Bellator to the UFC or UFC to Bellator, no matter what, in that debate, the one One thing that will never change is the level of prestige in the belts.
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Because you have to go through a tougher road to get that belt.
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Also, it's not even like saying A and B. It's like saying A and F. There's so many separations between the Bellator belt and the UFC belt.
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When you're talking about the prestige, that's for sure.
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But when you're talking about talent, Douglas Lima, in my opinion, is one of the best fucking welterweights on the planet Earth.
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Rory McDonald, who beat him in a very close decision, one of the best welterweights on Earth.
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Gegard Mousasi is one of the best middleweights on the fucking planet.
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These are all realities, man, for anybody who understands MMA. But yeah, the belt's just different.
02:09:43.000
You don't crawl through the same shit that you'd have to if you were in the UFC. A UFC champ?
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You walk away, you know, Chuck Liddell is always going to be a former UFC champion.
02:10:10.000
It's easier to get signed to the UFC and fight in the prelims than to go from the prelims to the main card.
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To get on the fucking main card, you know how hard that is?
02:10:35.000
If Amanda Nunez decides to take time off of fighting at Featherweight after she knocks out Cyborg, who do they have Cyborg fight?
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Redo, and then just leave Cyborg on the sidelines and not fight her enough?
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I almost think you need to have a technical foul, an accidental foul, and that's the end of the fight.
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Because if it's a foul, if you poke someone, how the fuck is it not a foul if your toe goes in someone's ass?
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But at that weight class, If you throw a punch, if you throw a punch, and as you're throwing your right hook, your thumb goes in someone's eye and they stop the fight, they look at the replay, they say it's an eye poke, the referee says it's an eye poke, you get disqualified.
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How is that any different than you throwing a round kick and the toe inadvertently goes in your eye?
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She was tracking her down, using her range, lands a nice kick, but she caught her at the toe, toe in the eyeball.
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But also, Kat turned her back and waved like, I'm done, I'm done.
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Isn't it weird that there's a shortage of big women?
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In MMA! You would think there would be an abundance of that?
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They're all in the WNBA. No one wants to get punched in the face.
02:12:21.000
Eddie, if you get a Valentina Shevchenko or Amanda Nunes or Ronda Rousey, there's like a hundred of those on the earth.
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No, the ones who could really transition from Kyokushin or kickboxing, Muay Thai.
02:12:36.000
There's some badass Muay Thai girls, but they might be wrapped up in Muay Thai.
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They might be Miriam Nakamoto or something like that.
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Is she ever going to go back to MMA? She's trying.
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She's a beast, and as a Muay Thai fighter, she's a monster.
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And there's a few of those girls that are that way with MMA or that way with jiu-jitsu.
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It's finding them all in MMA. It's less than 100. Dude, but girls, what is it?
02:13:07.000
What's the weight class fucking rose fights in?
02:13:14.000
Rose fights 25 and 15. She fought 25 and lost to Valentina in a good fight.
02:13:19.000
But Valentina just seems to be stronger, more physically powerful, just a little sharper, a little more suited to 25. She's almost like a tweener.
02:13:29.000
It's like Joanna's not quite 115, not 125. When you're that little, man, 5 pounds means a lot more than 10 pounds means 185. Dude, Fadar's walkouts are always epic.
02:14:09.000
Someone in the media asked him if he ever cries and he said once.
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If he loses, it's probably last time for him, huh?
02:14:23.000
I mean, he might just be, like, really bored with everything else in his life and willing to take the punishment.
02:14:31.000
When a guy is as great as Fedor, has had a career that Fedor's had, and still wins every now and then, like knocked out Frank...
02:14:43.000
He still can beat good guys and beat real, quality UFC fighters that have transitioned over.
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He doesn't say anything, and he eats ice cream, and he draws pictures.
02:15:05.000
He gets into that cage, and he reignites the fuel inside of him that led him to be, if not the greatest heavyweight in the world of all time, in my eyes.
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It is about time period, but it's also about what happened when they fought.
02:15:39.000
The argument for Fabricio Verdum is very strong because he beat them all.
02:15:50.000
Dude, to your point with Fedor, you're like, oh, it's cool.
02:15:56.000
There's a difference between them, first of all, because Fedor stayed active and I was cool with Tito.
02:16:08.000
He didn't look like he was prepared on the mitts.
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When I see Fedor fight, he wins or he loses like Mitrion KO'd him.
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And I think that shot that Mitrion KO'd him with, he just KOs a lot of people like that.
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Oh, Mitrion touches anyone on the chin you're going to sleep.
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And he's so light on his feet and he's fast as fuck.
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Dude, he knocked out Derrick Lewis in like 15 seconds with his hip.
02:16:40.000
I don't think it's indicative of Fedor being done.
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He's a Brazilian zombie, but he really should be fighting at 170 if he didn't eat all the acai in the world.
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And he gave fucking Fedor everything he'd handled.
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And you know he tried to fucking reverse it in Russia?
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They're like, what are you, at your fucking mind?
02:17:17.000
Dude, Fedor's best friends with Putin, for fuck's sakes.
02:17:58.000
But they do a whole thing with giving back to troops and shit.
02:18:12.000
Yeah, well, this guy's gonna sing both of them, but he's gonna sing the Rush one all fucked up.
02:18:29.000
The guy looks like he came out straight up Hot Topic.
02:18:34.000
We can only hear it if you take your earphones off, Jamie.
02:18:46.000
Dude, now we have to sit through the Russian one, too?
02:18:54.000
Dude, do you think they're going to do the Russian one, too?
02:18:58.000
Well, we were talking to your Showtime buddy about that.
02:19:00.000
Like, why do they still do this with the fights?
02:19:02.000
When Broner and Pacquiao fought and they had to do both anthems.
02:19:08.000
Look at that star-spangled banner, you motherfucker.
02:19:28.000
Dude, also those fucking Chris Daughtry wristbands he's wearing, that ain't fucking very country either.
02:19:52.000
Ryan Bader, TKO, second round, ground and pound.
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He's going to knock him out in the first round.
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I think if Ryan doesn't respect Fedor, he can get cracked.
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Remember in his big fights, he lost to Rumble Johnson, Jon Jones.
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A lot of the big moments, he gets caught up sometimes.
02:20:29.000
Johnson, he shot a bad shot, and he bounced his head to the moon.
02:20:32.000
So this is the finals of their heavyweight tournament that would make Ryan Bader be the heavyweight champion of the world.
02:20:41.000
And he owns a light heavyweight one right now, too.
02:20:44.000
What's up, Jon Jones trying to run it back, bro?
02:20:47.000
Why are you bringing up bold shit, as Eddie says.
02:20:53.000
Terrible fighters like that champ champ shit, right?
02:20:58.000
Connor started it, and now fucking everyone wants to do it.
02:21:04.000
It ties up the division, so it gets a little messy, but...
02:21:08.000
I'd love to see Khabib at 70, and Woodley's going to 85. TJ still has the belt at 35, right?
02:21:21.000
This is an egregious error, and there's a fight that stopped prematurely.
02:21:24.000
I think you should almost put it up to the vote of the internet.
02:21:34.000
Popular vote, didn't you say most people, like, 70% of the population are dummies?
02:21:42.000
So why the fuck would we ever want to popular vote anything?
02:21:49.000
How about we have an organization of esteemed ladies and gentlemen...
02:21:54.000
An organization of maybe 200 accepted martial artists, world-class martial artists, people that...
02:22:03.000
If you have 100 people, you're going to get the decision right every time.
02:22:08.000
So much better than the internet trolls voting.
02:22:10.000
John Hacklemans and John Donahers and Ferasa Hobbies and Duke Rufus and Matt Humes and Mike Winklejohns and Trevor Whitman.
02:22:24.000
If you had all those people in like a database and they all put in their opinion, you would be 100% probably in agreement.
02:22:51.000
You know, as he's older, he definitely doesn't give a fuck anymore.
02:23:00.000
Fedor's just got that left hand loose and that right hand balled the fuck up.
02:23:03.000
Dude, I didn't think Pico was ever going to lose again, so I don't know what's going to happen.
02:23:08.000
It's still one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
02:23:11.000
And Ryan Bader is a better fighter than he's ever been.
02:23:38.000
Dude, think about what he's done this fucking tournament.
02:23:40.000
Start Lockdown King Moe, beat Mitrione, Fuckin' I just starch fuckin' Fedor.
02:23:52.000
It was almost like it looked like it started out as a jab and then turned over at the end.
02:24:20.000
It almost looked like he was going to fake the single.
02:24:36.000
That was almost like that Dan Anderson Bisping shot.
02:24:42.000
Is that evidence that Fedor just can't take a shot or is it a perfect punch?
02:24:55.000
He dropped his shoulder down almost like he was going to jab to the body.
02:25:16.000
Is part of you sad to watch Fader get cracked like that?
02:25:31.000
No, at a certain point, you just can't take shots.
02:25:36.000
That was a nice shot, but it didn't appear to me that it was the...
02:25:43.000
I hate to say I told you so to anybody, but to young fighters, this kind of shit is what I'm always trying to point out.
02:25:54.000
Because every one of those will eventually, there's going to come a time when that credit card bill is going to come.
02:26:00.000
And you got all these charges, and you don't have the money anymore.
02:26:06.000
And if you fight a smart, calculated fight, like who the fuck gets hit the least in MMA? You could definitely say Askren.
02:26:16.000
Well, Wonderboy's been dropped twice by Woodley.
02:26:17.000
Demetrius Johnson at the highest level, but for a long time he's hard to hit.
02:26:21.000
I think Askren's probably the number one, but he's never fought anybody at the caliber of the UFC, like in their prime.
02:26:32.000
Again, Jon Jones really doesn't take damage either.
02:26:35.000
He's so calculated and just such a fucking beast.
02:26:38.000
For the young fighters, too, the other thing is you do all that work in the gym.
02:27:10.000
This is one person fighting on a narrative and fighting on emotions and trying to just overwhelm someone.
02:27:17.000
And the other person responding and catching someone while there's these openings.
02:27:23.000
I mean, he was pressing forward, pressing forward, and he gets hit with that fucking haymaker of a right hand.
02:27:30.000
Dude, you think that's Fedor's side piece, or is that his translator?
02:28:33.000
Have another one, bro, because that was awesome.
02:28:48.000
If you're champ, so let's say Tony becomes champ and he gets that belt, they don't give you another belt.
02:29:01.000
I swear to God, I would negotiate that in my contract.
02:29:11.000
Maybe I just don't like change, but I look at them like, God, that looks like we went a step back.
02:29:22.000
Only 1,200 people understand what the hell that means.
02:29:40.000
How can you not love the UFC? Are belts necessary?
02:29:59.000
Dips his left shoulder and loops it in a weird arc, man.
02:30:17.000
What if he gets on there and he's like, DC, you fucking pussy.
02:30:38.000
I don't think he's going to say that on the mic, man.
02:30:53.000
Might want to put those down so you could use your hands.
02:30:56.000
I'd wrap them all around my neck so I can't see.
02:31:01.000
And put the other on my face and talk to them like...
02:31:03.000
Hey, you guys want to go see Fabrizio Verdun versus Gordon Ryan?
02:31:22.000
Josh Barnett, Rustam Chiziev, who fought Gordon Ryan in the finals of EBI 6. That's where Gordon Ryan was born.
02:31:32.000
He won the absolute of EBI. That was EBI 6. That was his first tournament.
02:31:39.000
So it's Barnett, Rustam, Gordon, Fabricio, four-man tournament.
02:31:51.000
Because Josh Barnett just got beat by Gordon Ryan, too.
02:31:55.000
There could be a rematch there, and Rustam, now he was in the finals, and Gordon beat him in the finals of the absolute EBI 6. So there's two potential rematches alone, but then on top of that, you got Fabricio Verdun versus Gordon Ryan in round one.
02:32:10.000
Dude, I think Gordon Ryan is obviously the best thing in jiu-jitsu, but he wants to do MMA too?
02:32:16.000
With his personality, his skill set, I think he's going to take over MMA too.
02:32:21.000
Well, it seems like Donaher is guiding him the right way too.
02:32:25.000
Donaher is telling him, like, you're going to learn how to strike first.
02:32:28.000
You're not going to go in there without any skills.
02:32:37.000
He'll do fine because if you watch his last few fights, he likes to mount.
02:32:46.000
But he likes to mount, underjack, and get arm triangles.
02:32:49.000
And that's perfect for MMA. Arm triangles in MMA, that's one of the...
02:32:53.000
You have to be a savage with arm triangles if you're fighting MMA. Plus his personality.
02:33:08.000
Might have the most ridiculous six-pack of all time.
02:33:10.000
Him and Wiz Khalifa should have a six-pack off.
02:33:16.000
It doesn't count, but he's got a ridiculous six-pack.
02:33:18.000
It's like saying that the starving kids in Africa are shredded.
02:33:20.000
Are you guys going to be in town Friday, February 22nd?
02:33:31.000
Well, the guy that's his partner in that owns Copper Gel.
02:33:45.000
No, I know he's shredded, but you compare him to Wiz Khalifa.
02:34:28.000
Yeah, you gotta go to the right taco shop for lunch.
02:34:35.000
Yeah, but Gordon Ryan's is even more impressive.
02:34:47.000
Didn't he do something crazy and get down at like 170, like just within a year or two ago for a tournament?
02:34:52.000
Well, yeah, he used to be, he used to fight at 170. That's crazy.
02:35:05.000
If you've got Picos and you're USADA, you're good.
02:35:07.000
If you are a young guy and you're indulging in various ways to enhance your physical recovery, and then you get off of that stuff, you're going to have an adaptation period.
02:35:17.000
And that adaptation period, I mean, this is an issue.
02:35:24.000
Well, the issue is your performance is going to suffer.
02:35:28.000
If you're on it and you get off of it, he's a young guy, if he's on it.
02:35:41.000
All jokes aside, if you do find someone, though, not him, let's say someone else.
02:35:48.000
If they do do it, and they're doing it in an untested form, like submission grappling.
02:36:00.000
Speaking completely honestly, we know for a fact that some competitors are indulging.
02:36:18.000
I don't want to accuse any individuals, but we know for sure some are.
02:36:22.000
When you do have that situation where someone is on something and then they get off of something, then you have this adaptation period where their body's not producing testosterone as much anymore.
02:36:33.000
They're going to have to get on something else in order to kickstart it back up.
02:36:39.000
You know, with this John Jones thing and the picogram thing, and he did test positive now with Vada, right?
02:36:45.000
Well, now, let's say you are a jutsu guy who comes to the UFC, and you did do stuff prior, and those picograms get flagged?
02:37:03.000
Now, in terms of whether or not you get punished twice for the same crime...
02:37:09.000
So if they can prove exactly the same way they proved with John, one of the things that's happening is that the testing is getting far better.
02:37:15.000
So they can test you for stuff now that a year ago was absolutely impossible.
02:37:20.000
So the threshold right now that they were saying, this is where it's confusing to me, the threshold that they tested John was supposed to be more stringent than VADA. Yes, and then the night of the fight, this is where it gets weird to me.
02:37:34.000
The night of the fight, the commission tested them, all the same period, same piss.
02:37:38.000
Commission, USADA, and VADA all tested them, same piss.
02:38:13.000
Right, but do you understand that he's not testing positive for the actual steroids?
02:38:25.000
Yeah, it says, if you test pod, regardless what it is, we cannot grant you the license to compete.
02:38:38.000
This is why I honestly think why they're doing this.
02:38:40.000
Because they don't know exactly how this is happening.
02:38:43.000
I think they have their theories, which, you know, it works right now.
02:38:47.000
But ultimately, they don't really know what's going on.
02:38:49.000
So if they were to suspend John, and he's really not taking shit, he could sue the fuck out of him.
02:38:54.000
Well, there's that, and then there's also this concept of double jeopardy, that they've already punished him for having this stuff in his system.
02:38:59.000
There's no indication that he has recently taken it.
02:39:04.000
I understand, but they're making the rules up as they go along.
02:39:06.000
Which is an issue, because if this was Corey Anderson, phenomenal fighter, not the same drawing power as John, what happens to a guy like that?
02:39:14.000
Even if they're making it up as they go along, the parameters are changing.
02:39:20.000
So if someone takes, say, you take creatine, the creatine is tainted, and you have some forbidden substance in your system, and it's supposed to only stay in your system for six months if it's this certain stuff.
02:39:54.000
This is the only argument for the John Jones thing that makes sense, is that you don't want to punish a guy for something you've already punished him for if you've proven that this is what he took.
02:40:06.000
But the rule book is, you can only compete when you pass the test.
02:40:19.000
He shouldn't be allowed to compete because it's still showing up.
02:40:23.000
No matter whether you meant to take it or not, the rule is if you do not pass the test, we can't grant you a license to fight.
02:40:30.000
That is the rule that is explained to most all the fighters except for John.
02:40:33.000
The real problem would be is what if it's proven at some point in time, let's just say a big for if, what if rather, what if it's proven one time that they can tell if you've ever taken anything, ever, your whole life?
02:40:45.000
And they just disqualify anyone forever, even if it's an accidental test.
02:40:53.000
This pulsating thing of the metabolite, they don't really understand it.
02:40:58.000
The USADA testing, their parameters are based off Olympic testing, right?
02:41:05.000
You know how fucked up that is to do a fighter like Josh Barnett?
02:41:18.000
What do you do, but if a guy does juice and he hurts someone and gets away with it, and then you catch him, like you've been trying to catch him and then you catch him, how much should you suspend him for?
02:41:31.000
Hired some Victor Conte type individual back when Victor was doing this with the Clear.
02:41:36.000
And he hires some guy, and this guy gets him on some shit that no one knows what it is, and he's just running through people.
02:41:41.000
And he's looking like Yoel Romero and smashing people.
02:41:54.000
Because we're going based off Olympic curriculum.
02:41:57.000
The real question is how many people are cheating, right?
02:42:02.000
Should it be based on how many people are cheating or should it be based on the philosophy we're trying to get cheating out of the sport?
02:42:10.000
Do you wish that the Japanese were super crazy strict about steroids back before Pride?
02:42:26.000
Anderson was making a point the other day, an irrational point, for letting a guy like him take something so that he could recover.
02:42:35.000
But his body doesn't produce testosterone the right way anymore.
02:42:47.000
Overeem didn't have a testosterone use exemption.
02:43:22.000
If they had big veins on their bicep and on their shoulder they had that little spider vein, you're like, that motherfucker's on TV. We were so jealous, man.
02:43:39.000
He goes, yeah, dude, if you have a doctor's note, you could fucking do TRT. And why not?
02:43:50.000
Now I think the conspiracy's all with USADA. It's been such a shit show.
02:43:54.000
It just got exploited and everybody was jumping on that doctor's note.
02:44:08.000
And now it's two straight and it's fucking things up and guys have to do other shit and they're getting caught.
02:44:12.000
How would you like it if you got to be the president of MMA? You were the fucking godfather.
02:44:33.000
It means you've got to be a moron to get caught by the commission.
02:44:36.000
So if you're going to do shit, you've got to be clean.
02:44:39.000
So if there wasn't a USADA... Each state would have their own...
02:44:54.000
You get tests when you weigh in or the day of the fight and after the fight.
02:45:03.000
But there were certain states like L.A. or New Jersey were super strict.
02:45:07.000
So guys like Chael Sonny got caught in California.
02:45:45.000
Yeah, it was a good fight for him, for God's sakes.
02:45:47.000
Now everyone wants to see him versus Earl Spence.
02:45:50.000
I asked Brendan if he was the king or the president of MMA, what would he do about the steroid situation?
02:45:57.000
And he said he would get rid of USADA. Correct.
02:45:59.000
And then have the commission test, which basically means that all you got to do is just be...
02:46:11.000
You're still going to do shit, but night of the fight, you're clean.
02:46:16.000
But if you're clean the night of the fight, wouldn't that be a...
02:46:34.000
If you get a job at UPS, they're not checking you for mushrooms.
02:46:49.000
Did anybody ever approach you and said, hey man, I think we can get you on some stuff?
02:47:07.000
Or a coach would be like, hey man, you could do this, this.
02:47:12.000
I don't know, because they were going through, like, a doctor, and I just remember, a doctor, I don't think he's still in business, and I remember they're like, your insurance won't cover it, so you gotta pay him cash.
02:47:24.000
I remember I asked, and I remember at the time, I was like, oh, fuck, that's a car payment, man, there's no way.
02:47:46.000
He did a K-1 fight, and they wouldn't let him sign a contract before he fought.
02:47:50.000
He's like, I'm not fighting without a contract.
02:47:52.000
And they said, first you fight, then we give you a contract.
02:47:56.000
And so he walked out on the finals, and it was the end of him.
02:48:03.000
And I don't think people in America completely understood.
02:48:12.000
I mean, he's like, what is a comparable celebrity in the United States?
02:48:22.000
He was so big, and he was such an oddity, because he was literally 370 pounds with ass.
02:48:27.000
Do you think about those little Japanese girls just sucking them off?
02:49:06.000
But dude, when he fought Noguera, he was about as fucking scary as a human being.
02:49:34.000
And because he was on everything, his fucking cardio wasn't the worst for a guy that big.
02:49:40.000
He didn't have the best fighter's heart, but he's just such a fucking monster.
02:49:50.000
Well, you know, and after a while he took a bunch of beatings and he's like, that's enough.
02:49:59.000
Remember one eye was open more than the other eye was?
02:50:04.000
When people get their orbital smashed, almost always one eye is more wide.
02:50:11.000
You don't want the fucking one eye bigger than the other.
02:50:18.000
Yeah, tell him to go in there and fucking straighten out that eyeball.
02:50:35.000
Mom gets murdered and they have to avenge her death in Detroit, Michigan.
02:51:01.000
And for martial arts, when something like that happens...
02:51:04.000
Every young fighter gets another little piece of information in his database of experiences that he can at least view.
02:51:11.000
Maybe not have, but view and put that in your mind.
02:51:14.000
Okay, this is what happens when you throw caution to the wind and you just slug it out with somebody.
02:51:19.000
When you just slug it out and you stand right in front of somebody, sometimes you get knocked out.
02:51:26.000
I mean, he was winning the fight up until that moment.
02:51:35.000
And that's just the reality of being a human being that's fighting.
02:51:46.000
I think those experiences, it's not good for him, right?
02:51:54.000
But it's valuable for all of us to take in what happens when, you know, look, every time a guy gets knocked out, believe it or not, it's valuable for the overall database of martial arts.
02:52:06.000
Even a striker Like, Mirko Krokop has decided on at least two fights, I think, where he decided, you know what?
02:52:16.000
I think I have a better shot taking this motherfucker down and throwing elbows on the ground from the top.
02:52:23.000
That was like a strategy that he thought, you know what?
02:52:31.000
One of the most dangerous motherfuckers out there.
02:52:33.000
And he even got to the point where he was like, you know what?
02:52:37.000
I think I have a better shot taking this motherfucker down and smashing him.
02:52:43.000
Well, you remember when Krokop fought Randomman.
02:52:57.000
When Pico got knocked out, we all jumped out of our chairs.
02:53:08.000
How crazy is it that we all work in it somehow?
02:53:16.000
They're like, how the fuck is anybody paying you to learn how to fight?
02:53:24.000
My family does not, I left my family as a musician, as a pussy, who never got in any fights.
02:53:32.000
I got in a couple fights, but I wasn't known as a fighter.
02:53:37.000
I wrestled a couple years, so I thought I was cheating.
02:53:40.000
When I would fight, I would just double-leg a dude and punch him in the stomach until the teacher broke it up.
02:53:44.000
But I was never, ever considered a dangerous guy at all by my family, by my closest friends that I grew up.
02:53:51.000
So even today, they're still like, man, how did you pull that off, dude?
02:54:03.000
It's a good path, though, because it shows everybody that if you really just learn something, you get good at it, you keep getting better at it, you keep acquiring information, testing yourself, really being obsessed with it, you eventually, one day, after years of training...
02:54:21.000
Whatever it is, in comparison to how you were when you first started.
02:54:28.000
Dude, you did two years in, you did a fucking Showtime special.
02:54:32.000
Me and Brian were in the back room, we were shaking our heads.
02:54:34.000
Like, two years in, you did a fucking Showtime special.
02:54:37.000
But you put in the fucking work, you started out, you were uncomfortable at first, you got better and better, you kept working on it, you chipped away at it, you were constantly, constantly doing sets, constantly going over your material, and you pulled it off.
02:54:56.000
But it's that thing that's good for people to see.
02:54:59.000
I know it feels bad if you're not doing anything in your life.
02:55:02.000
And it was one of the things that people do when they hate.
02:55:04.000
One of the things that people do when they hate, like if you're kicking ass, they get upset because they're not.
02:55:08.000
And they're looking at you like, you're not that good, you're not that this, you're not that that.
02:55:14.000
But at the end of the day, the reason why they're expressing them as exuberantly as they are is because they find flaws in their own life that they don't like to address.
02:55:23.000
And when they see someone that's doing well, they go after them and they shit on them.
02:55:32.000
What I'm trying to say, though, is for all those people...
02:55:57.000
My favorite is when people go, Rogan writes your shit.
02:56:07.000
He's giving my perspective and he's writing it, you fucking man.
02:56:15.000
Well, you know who did do that, though, for a lot of guys?
02:56:17.000
Well, definitely did that for Chris Rock, was Richard Jenny.
02:56:19.000
Richard Jenny would tighten up dude's material.
02:56:24.000
You would go do sets, and he would sit in the back of the room, and he would watch, but hey, you gotta drop that.
02:56:32.000
He would give you this, and guys would just listen to him.
02:56:40.000
I told him my story, and he's like, but he doesn't say, do this.
02:56:53.000
Back when I did those few open mics like 15 years ago, I remember I bombed so bad this one set in the OR that you just grabbed me and said, follow me.
02:57:04.000
And you just dragged me to the back of the parking lot.
02:57:07.000
I remember I had to tell you because I was high.
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Because when you're high, thoughts, they're slippery.
02:57:19.000
But I recognized what that was because I had done it.
02:57:22.000
You went in there, it didn't go well, and then you just crashed and burned.
02:57:25.000
But what happened with you, which is interesting, is you got really good at talking publicly.
02:57:30.000
And as you got better at talking publicly and doing classes and teaching classes, then a transition back to stand-up comedy actually made sense.
02:57:40.000
Because before you were always really funny, but the hard part was you being yourself on stage.
02:57:57.000
I'm going to have to really spend a lot of fucking time with this if I'm going to do it right.
02:58:02.000
And I just didn't want to spend the time, so I decided, you know what?
02:58:08.000
If someone's going to do it eventually, but if you could get Joey Diaz...
02:58:14.000
For his comedy to come off on a special, like the same way he had all of us in the back of the comedy store.
02:58:31.000
Ari and I were literally just texting right before this show started.
02:58:42.000
Those Netflix specials, what they're doing is a half an hour set.
02:58:45.000
They're doing with a bunch of other people that they probably don't work with a lot.
02:58:49.000
They have the first show and then they have the second show.
02:58:59.000
It also gets lost in the shuffle, though, because there's a ton of them on there.
02:59:06.000
You can't fault that, because the ones that stand out, I mean, look at whether you like it or not, like that Nanette thing from Hannah Gadsby.
02:59:14.000
I still haven't seen it, but it stood out, and a lot of people liked it.
02:59:19.000
Okay, but there was other ones that didn't stand out for that, but they stood out because people really responded to it.
02:59:24.000
I mean, Tom's selling out these places because people responded so well to his specials.
02:59:31.000
I'm saying how his was released in Degenerates.
02:59:40.000
I've been hearing a lot about Neil Brennan's special from people that watched the last one.
02:59:51.000
I want to say anything about his new stuff because I'll give away the premises, but he's murdering them.
02:59:58.000
I was like, whoa, this is the funniest I've ever heard of him.
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He's definitely the best one I've seen so far on that special.
03:00:10.000
His analogy of ISIS? His analogy of ISIS? Fuck.
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Your favorite comedian's shit, he punches it up.
03:00:32.000
Eddie came with me when I did the Fear Factor Chappelle sketch.
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We fly out to New York and they're filming all day in this fucking old ass warehouse with no windows and it's freezing.
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Everybody's in winter coats and everyone's freezing.
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And he did the crackhead character, Dave Chappelle.
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I wonder why it took Neil so long to get into stand-up.
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I think he sat back and watched it and probably thought he could do it and then said, you know what, let me just give it a shot and just took to it like a duck to water.
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But I had a good conversation about stand-up with him last night.
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He was just one of the regulars at the OR when we'd go in.
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He just sold out four shows at Madison Square Garden.
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Well, this year he's probably going to be number one, if I had to guess.
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He can't sell out four shows at Madison Square Garden like that.
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I don't think he ever did four like that in a weekend.
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The thing about Dice that you always have to give up is that Dice was numero uno.
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What he did, he would sell out arenas when nobody had ever heard about doing this before.
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He was until he stopped doing stand-up, but he never quite reached the heights that Dice did.
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Dice was absolutely, without a doubt, unprecedented.
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Because I remember, it was happening as I was getting into stand-up.
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So as I was getting into stand-up, Dice was selling out arenas.
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And he would sell them out like two, three nights in a row.
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And he'd done hundreds of arena shows all over the country.
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Before, everybody was doing places that I used to do.
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Sebastian is kind of like a different version, a newer, cleaned-up version of Dice, sort of.
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He tells a story about not doing a long enough set.
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He's opening for him, and he's supposed to do 12 minutes, and he did eight, and he came to the back, and Dice just fucking tore him a new one.
03:04:13.000
Well, you gotta do 12. Yeah, you gotta do your shit.
03:04:15.000
You gotta do 12. Because Dice, I guess, was asking his mind, right?
03:04:21.000
I went to the green room, and a minute and a half later, he came backstage.
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So I walked out through the green room door onto the stage and the audience is looking at me like, what the fuck?
03:04:48.000
You don't want to say his name, but a guy went out, bombed.
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And then the whole night, you were trying to coach him back.
03:05:01.000
He used to do stand-up, and then he stopped doing it.
03:05:23.000
Have you ever had just a nightmare show that was just horrible?
03:05:32.000
If you bomb it there, I don't know what you're doing.
03:05:34.000
But at the Comedy Story, I've ate all the dicks in the room.
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But the Comedy Store Laugh Factory have eight tons of dicks.
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Those weird shows where there's 15 people on the lineup and they might be there to see D'Elia.
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I did Flappers the other night and it wasn't my crowd.
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It's always better when they're there to see you.
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Dude, last Saturday at my special, so Rogan introduced me.
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So they'll definitely use the edit of the second show because I didn't get emotional.
03:06:46.000
Because I had to find my way in that first one.
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Stepped off the side and then I brought Brendan up.
03:07:05.000
Dude, I drove all the way the fuck down and all the way the fuck back in a night.
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I drove five and a half hours down and two and a half hours back.
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By the time I got home, I got my head out the window.
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You're just imagining how good that bed is going to feel.
03:07:26.000
Dude, I told you I'd get you a room, whatever you want.
03:07:28.000
I'd pay Burr to fly in a helicopter, but he's like, no, you're going to get back.
03:07:37.000
My daughter had a gymnastics event, and so I was going to get back.
03:07:44.000
I got emotional before the thing because obviously you showing up, Brian, my boys, and then Theo sent me this video, this heartfelt video, D'Elia, Bert, Tom Segur, I'm like, what the fuck?
03:07:59.000
Yeah, when you were like, hey man, you don't have to come like, listen, motherfucker, I'm coming.
03:08:13.000
I was beaming like half the way home until I started getting tired.
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So, you gotta tour now, and then try to work in new material while you're touring.
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I have, and you're gonna be like, you're a fucking idiot.
03:08:38.000
I almost have a scene, because I recorded the special, I'm done with that, man.
03:08:42.000
So, I'm trying to, I'll still do, obviously I have to do certain bits when I do it at the store, but I'm trying to get at least 30 minutes before.
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Well, you should, but it's not a bad idea to do the road while you still can, because you can make money doing clubs and doing theaters and all the different things you do.
03:09:02.000
The strategy that I always employed, it's not the best one.
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But what I like to do is do a bit that I know works and then some new shit.
03:09:08.000
And then a bit I know works and then some new shit.
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And then eventually I turn that shit into beef jerky and then eventually it's a steak.
03:09:19.000
But that's the best way I've found is you've got to give them some stuff that's 100% legit.
03:09:26.000
I definitely still do workout sets like in town where there's fucking around.
03:09:30.000
But even now, it's like, what if I do a workout set at the store?
03:09:38.000
I mean, you go to the main room and you go on stage and they go fucking crazy?
03:09:46.000
Literally, the next morning I woke up, I had the worst anxiety.
03:09:54.000
Because with a guy like Chris Rock or Louis C.K. or a lot of the guys that would...
03:10:00.000
When I say bump, it's not thought of as a negative thing.
03:10:03.000
It's thought of as a negative thing if you really don't deserve it.
03:10:06.000
If you're a certain person and you try to bump people and people are like, this fucking guy's bumping people?
03:10:11.000
But, you know, if Chris Rock shows up, generally most people just let him go on stage.
03:10:21.000
But what it is, it's how they manage to try stand-up when they know it's not their audience.
03:10:26.000
Like, they're famous, so it's almost like every audience is Dave Chappelle's audience.
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Because if people are coming to see you, 100%, then you feel more inclined to do new stuff.
03:10:39.000
Whereas if you're just dropping in, you feel like you can work on new stuff better.
03:10:43.000
If people come to see you, you're going to do stuff that's tried and proven.
03:10:51.000
And I passed by, and I'm like, oh shit, Dave Chappelle's on stage.
03:10:55.000
And everybody, I mean, there was so much goddamn loving, positive energy in that room.
03:11:02.000
And he was just sitting on a chair, smoking a cigarette.
03:11:06.000
And he was just, anything he said, People lost their fucking mind.
03:11:26.000
They didn't even have to hear the rest of the story.
03:11:32.000
Yeah, it's like, fuck, dude, he's so good, so confident.
03:11:36.000
He's just, he's like the fucking Yoda, you know, of comedy.
03:11:44.000
And he's got his own style to this laid back, you know.
03:11:58.000
He would have that Gucci sign taken off, and it says, Dave, DC. He has his logo on it.
03:12:06.000
Is it just a C? It's just a C. It's just a C on all his clothes.
03:12:15.000
I'm not sure, but obviously I'm a weird fashion dude.
03:12:31.000
He's like, why am I going to wear other people's shit?
03:12:33.000
Well, it's also like you don't want to get caught up in that designer name trap where people are trying to wear Gucci everywhere and all these different...
03:12:41.000
People get caught up in that where they have to show that off.
03:12:47.000
Wouldn't you rather have a big old B on everything?
03:13:02.000
Louis Vuitton in probably six months with Virgil's release.
03:13:27.000
Are there certain watches that guys try to wear?
03:13:34.000
You've got an iced up Rolex and you're a rapper, you're a winner.
03:13:40.000
But if you're like a Floyd Mayweather, you've got to take it to another level.
03:14:04.000
You have your finger in the pulse, but where's the bloodline?
03:14:32.000
Do you know the kind of security he has to have?
03:14:37.000
If we add 10 more days, I'd take 10 more watches.
03:14:45.000
If I want to bring out the one and only, then I bring out the watch that costs 18 million.
03:15:03.000
For you motherfucking haters today, I'm going to go fuck on $50,000 because I ain't got shit else to do.
03:15:24.000
It seems like 50 Cent and a lot of people get in little scraps.
03:15:30.000
Well, you know, I mean, when you act like that, that's his whole thing.
03:15:35.000
But the problem is like Adrian Broner tries doing the same thing, but he doesn't win, so it's tough.
03:15:50.000
Well, if he was lighting everybody up on fire...
03:16:14.000
50 Cent's the guy that just jumps in to stay relevant, huh?
03:16:18.000
Like, he's trolling, and he gets his name out there.
03:16:24.000
It looks like he's got a bunch of parties he's doing.
03:16:30.000
Those are launch parties, so he's got a brand of...
03:16:35.000
I don't think he's necessarily, like, rapping there.
03:16:41.000
He's on power, and then he made a shitload of money off vitamin water, they say.
03:16:45.000
Although that might be a rumor, because they said he's bullshit.
03:16:53.000
It's almost like he's doing that same shit that...
03:16:59.000
Remember when she was connected to the UFC? Carmen Lecter was?
03:17:05.000
She was the post-fight interviewer or something.
03:17:13.000
Celebrity promoter of the UFC. That's a brilliant...
03:17:18.000
I want to say I wasn't working for the UFC then.
03:17:37.000
In this current culture, you're going to make that.
03:17:39.000
So Carmen Electra was like, you know, she was a hot celebrity.
03:17:44.000
And she would do these interviews and she would talk about the UFC. Yeah.
03:17:50.000
They tried it for a little while, but I don't think they got a lot of mileage out of it, and so they bailed on that.
03:17:59.000
I did a thing with her for Spike TV back in the day.
03:18:57.000
I post shit that gets posted on Twitter, but I never mingle.
03:19:07.000
Alright, shout out to Marky Mark and Four Brothers, whatever it is.
03:19:20.000
Yeah, and you can see that on Showtime and YouTube.