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00:01:07.000Alright, right now, we're playing it, we're going to start it, and we recorded it, so this is the first time we've got a recording, and we're going to watch the fights.
00:03:12.000Alright, so for the folks at home, what we'll do is when the first fight starts, right now they're showing the side-by-side comparisons, the heights and weights in jazz, Tale of the Tape, and now Bruce Buffer's doing a little introduction here.
00:03:24.000Why do they call it the Tale of the Tape?
00:03:55.000He's the reason why Mickey Gall's, Hey Mickey, you're so fine, you're so fine, you'll blow my mind.
00:04:01.000That's how it got on the broadcast, because Dana White was like, fuck that, you can't play that song for Mickey Gall when he fought CM Punk.
00:04:08.000You know Dana's so particular, he goes through all the walkout songs before because he loves music.
00:04:13.000He shot one of my walkout songs down, The Night Before the Fight.
00:05:17.000Greg Jackson used Leroy for most of the sparring rounds for BJ. No kidding.
00:05:22.000Yeah, he was his main sparring guy, and he was doing great with him.
00:05:25.000I actually thought BJ did very well in the first two minutes.
00:05:28.000The difference between what Yair does and Alex does is Alex's strikes, they come in high volume, interesting angles, he's very creative, but they're not instantaneously lethal.
00:05:40.000Yair can fuck you up with one shot and put you on queer street.
00:07:01.000I think the days of coming out, and of course, I don't know anything about striking, but the days of coming out and just boxing and throwing a leg kick every now and then, I think that's not going to work in the future.
00:07:10.000It's not going to work against a guy like John Jones, Conor McGregor.
00:07:14.000You see these guys throwing all those Taekwondo Kung Fu kicks successfully.
00:07:19.000If you're an MMA fighter up there, you coming up, I think you should start taking Taekwondo now.
00:07:23.000I think you got a good point, but I think if you watch Glory, there's a good fight that I talked about recently because I got Joseph Valtellini on.
00:07:41.000I mean, what Raymond Daniels did inside the octagon, or inside the Glory ring, he threw a flying sidekick, touched the dude, and then spinning back kicked him in the air in the face.
00:07:52.000Oh, so they There's guys like that in glory.
00:07:54.000Raymond Daniels is a wild motherfucker.
00:13:02.000Yeah, because it's a terrible position to be in with that fucking body triangle squeezing down your abdomen.
00:13:07.000This guy's a specialist on the body triangle too.
00:13:09.000And right here, in the old days, it would be over already.
00:13:13.000When they allowed pointed elbows to the back of the head, dudes would tap at us.
00:13:18.000We've talked about this so many times, but I really do want to study on what kind of damage happens when you elbow someone in the back of the head, and why is it illegal?
00:13:25.000We'd have to look at the guys back in the battlecade.
00:13:27.000Remember, John Lewis did it to somebody.
00:24:35.000Are you intrigued by the Conor McGregor, Floyd Mayweather, as if Conor McGregor could actually box with Floyd Mayweather?
00:24:41.000Conor McGregor cannot box with Floyd Mayweather, but Conor McGregor, the only goal that he could have, the workable idea, is a backdoor hack.
00:24:49.000Something where being unwilling to make it a boxing match, he is fighting him with two hands, but boxing...
00:24:56.000Is not the definition of fighting with two hands.
00:25:28.000When you're using the Tim Ferriss example, a good reason why it sucks is because Tim did that whole show for CNN where he did a bunch of different things and learned them quickly.
00:25:36.000And one of them he tried to do was jujitsu.
00:25:41.000You know, a guy who's been doing jujitsu for 10 years can get drunk, stay up all night, show up drunk, and still play with you like you're a baby.
00:25:57.000But if John Jones wanted to, he could do whatever he wanted to.
00:26:01.000I mean, if they're the same size, it doesn't matter.
00:26:04.000Four months is not going to get you there.
00:26:05.000The thought that I have is you can't beat him in boxing.
00:26:10.000But what if there's some other answer?
00:26:12.000And the answer to that is, well, in the hundred years, we've seen every answer.
00:26:17.000If you believe that, if McGregor believes that, he's fucked.
00:26:20.000What McGregor said that was really interesting yesterday in the press conference, he said, look, if it was a fight, it would be the easiest fight ever.
00:27:09.000People have to remember that Maidana, who is super unconventional, really wild and reckless, Maidana went 12 rounds twice with him, you know?
00:27:17.000And so Floyd's not knocking guys dead.
00:27:20.000He's not like, he's not Gernady Golovkin in people or Kovalev in people.
00:27:24.000You know, it's a totally different kind of experience.
00:27:26.000What Floyd does is minimize any offense and maximize his potential to put offense on you.
00:28:32.000And as it goes on, if McGregor becomes predictable, so say this happens, and he becomes predictable in any way, even in ways that he doesn't understand that Floyd will read, then it just gets worse as the fight goes on.
00:28:46.000So, somebody comes to you and says, this is happening, you're going to make $200 million, or whatever crazy amount of money you're going to make.
00:29:23.000If he could, you know, just one or two times, if they get in the clinch and there's some shit talking, something just decides to dump him, and you see Floyd's feet go flying up.
00:30:44.000And that speed almost might be indistinguishable to us, but to a fighter, it might be the difference between getting hit This motherfucker,
00:31:01.000Ngannou, man, I've been calling his fights for a while.
00:31:04.000When that guy walks into the cage, it sounds different.
00:31:58.000They pulled him off of his last fight because he's got stenosis, so his fucking spinal column is shrinking and they have to open him up and carve a path to nerves.
00:36:51.000Like, he throws punches differently now.
00:36:53.000Back then, everything was just laser-beamed straight.
00:36:57.000Remember when he went to Wild Card and was just working with Freddie Roach and was, like, real tall and just getting knocked the fuck out left and right?
00:39:28.000I guess his wrestling is pretty BC. They say, you know, granted it's the French wrestling team, but he trains with the Olympic wrestling team and he can't get his ass down.
00:44:21.000He went from one camp straight into the other camp, and apparently he was very flat, and they were saying that he was definitely overtrained.
00:44:54.000And everybody wants to be world-class.
00:44:55.000When you see guys like Conor McGregor raising that fucking bar, and then you see the new ones coming up, like the Yair Rodriguez, like the fucking Cody Garbrandt, who can be next level.
00:45:39.000The way that they played at distance, the way that they manipulated the timing, it was fucking crazy for TKO for Fight Pass.
00:45:47.000Yeah, no, nothing is getting, nothing is accelerating faster than high-level MMA right now.
00:45:52.000If you go back 20 years ago and look at where it is today, there's not a sport in the world where you see that much of a jump between 20 years ago and today.
00:46:04.000The question is, when are we going to see a guy who kicks like Yair and also has Joe Schilling-style Muay Thai and also can box like Cody Garber?
00:46:18.000And that's why when you see a guy like Yair and you see this next level expression, you realize like, wow, the horizon is going to be bananas.
00:46:25.000We're going to see guys like Yair fighting another guy like Yair.
00:47:20.000What fight was it that got you into him?
00:47:23.000Oh, man, I watched a bunch of his fights from England, but it was one fight where he slid back and KO'd this dude with his perfectly placed left hand.
00:47:33.000And I was like, this kid's got some fucking timing.
00:47:36.000And like Faraz Ahabi describes, the touch of death.
00:47:41.000No, when you got that kind of, but it's power, you can see his body is built to deliver that power, but it's technique, it's clean and clean.
00:49:14.000You've got to give it up to the man, Hicks and Gracie, because he figured it out before anybody.
00:49:18.000You go back to those 1994 Hicks and Gracie videos, where Hicks was in Santa Monica, standing on a balance bar, stretching his leg overhead in a full split.
00:50:51.000But I'm saying, coming into this fight, I think that a lot of people don't know how good Jorge Masvidal is, so this is not a fight that that many people are excited about.
00:51:36.000But the trade-off, of course, is at 170, if you fight like Tyron Woodley, you're fighting someone who hits way fucking harder than anybody at 55. This guy's so elegantly skilled, man.
01:05:59.000But I think what you're saying is true too.
01:06:01.000What you're saying is true is guys have come back from that.
01:06:03.000But what he's saying is guys don't come back from that if they take the kind of beating that they took just six weeks ago.
01:06:08.000And it's something that goes against kind of what Donald's been saying.
01:06:11.000Because Donald's been saying that he doesn't spar anymore in his camps.
01:06:14.000And one of the reasons why he doesn't spar anymore is because he took too much fucking punishment and he'd go into these fights already damaged.
01:07:01.000In the end, whether you're his coach, you're his best friend, you're his family member, you say what you feel, and then he's going to decide.
01:08:47.000At this point, in the beginning of the UFC, we always had to be careful how you explain the fights and the rules and how everything was broken down.
01:09:12.000Yeah, it is a crazy level, but I think the Conor McGregor is taking it to the next level, and it's going to go one level above that.
01:09:18.000I think it's going to continue to grow.
01:09:20.000And it's not by taking stupid fights and just never becoming world champions.
01:09:23.000It's about being professional, and I think if you did look at it in a professional manner, I agree with Brendan, but I also agree with Eddie.
01:09:51.000That's part of what made the legend of Conor McGregor that he's willing to do something so fucking crazy.
01:09:56.000But now he's in this stratospheric position where dads come up to me at my fucking kid's school and they want to talk to me about that crazy Irish guy.
01:18:12.000I had an understanding of like how people set things up and systems and systems that they struck under but I had no idea that there was someone out there that had that kind of depth to their thought process behind striking because all we would do four days a week was get together and talk strategy and technique and striking and he would explain things to me and then we would hit pads and then after we hit pads like two days a week I'd spar with somebody.
01:18:36.000Dude, Rob Kamen is a bad motherfucker, man.
01:18:39.000His techniques and his strategy and the way he breaks things down.
01:20:37.000And just matter of factly, he's like, well, I knew he didn't understand this particular kind of freestyle wrestling, so I just designed the entire thing about doing something he didn't understand.
01:20:59.000So I asked him if I could come and just stay in a cheap hotel nearby and come shadow him for 10 or 12 days on my own for my own cost and for vacation.
01:21:07.000I said I'd clean the gym and whatever I could do to help.
01:21:09.000And he said, yeah, I'm not opposed to it.
01:23:55.000I think it's a big thing to take a chance.
01:23:56.000All the criticisms aside, which I'm sure he would agree many of them are valid, that fucking guy took a fight to pay his debts.
01:24:03.000And he took a chance to start Metamorris in the first place.
01:24:05.000It's not an easy thing to do, but to give jiu-jitsu, professional jiu-jitsu, a platform and a high-profile platform and get guys like Eddie to fight guys like Hoyler, get all the guys that he got to fight.
01:31:48.000But at this point, if Juliana could recover a half guard and if she's got half guard game or butterfly game or full guard game, she's just got to recover.
01:31:57.000She's trying to slide in and get some kind of guard back.
01:35:45.000When you were talking about movement, whether you train with a movement coach or you train with a different kind of strength and conditioning or something, when you can connect the upper and lower through the core so powerfully and have all the, you know, your nervous system be able to move everything together that way, It just makes you better.
01:36:58.000I definitely think strong legs plays a big factor.
01:37:01.000Like, if you're grappling with anybody who's got strong legs for any reason, and then they develop the dexterity and figure out how to use them well.
01:41:32.000Eddie, when you think about it, okay, you are one of the fucking world experts in something.
01:41:38.000And even you can be fooled by watching that.
01:41:40.000So when people are saying they know what's going to happen or making picks, even the highest level of expertise in the world can be deceived by what you see.
01:41:49.000I don't know if that's a You were right up until that moment and then you saw something that made you give a bit a different perspective of it This is what I've been trying to tell people about all martial arts like when you were looking at Fedor whether looking at Kane in the moment you can have an idea of how good someone is you can have an idea of what's gonna happen if they fight somebody else but Really you never know,
01:42:12.000and really you never know how good it's going to look until the whole thing's gone down.
01:42:20.000If you look at Ronda Rousey, Ronda, when she was dominating women, was dominating women that, let's be honest, At that stage of women's MMA, it was flourishing, it was growing, but you had Gina Carano vs Cyborg, and that was the highest expression of women's MMA before the UFC. So you have Strikeforce,
01:42:38.000Strikeforce has some very good fights, Ronda shines, Misha shines, and then boom, they're in the UFC, and the women are sort of not, you know, you get Betch Cohea, you got Alexis Davis, you're not getting this!
01:43:54.000I don't think Ronda would ever do that.
01:43:57.000First of all, I don't think contractually she could fight outside the UFC, and I don't think she would fight outside the UFC, and I definitely don't think she'd fight Cyborg.
01:44:05.000Eddie's trying to see people die and shit.
01:44:46.000But I have to call him like I see him, good or bad.
01:44:48.000I tweeted a long time ago that I'd like to see the UFC open a 145-pound division so Cyborg could fight the people that are her weight class.
01:44:55.000But I was saying that a long time ago because this is even before all the controversy where me and Tony got in trouble for joking around about her.
01:45:02.000But this was, I was saying, like, it's crazy to try to make this girl go to 35. She's not a 35-pound fighter.
01:45:07.000She should struggle to get to 45. Let her fight at 45 and let's see what's up.
01:48:15.000No matter when it happens, you're going to get that tape and you're going to chop it up.
01:48:18.000But what she said is so important, because what she said there is that you're seeing two real world champion-caliber mixed martial artists.
01:51:23.000Two grandpas, football field, no rules.
01:51:25.000We leave pizza boxes laying all around the field, so dudes slip on them and shit, and they fight on grass, wet grass, like right after the sprinklers.
01:51:36.000The sprinklers kick on and the crowd roars because that means the fight's about to start.
01:52:59.000What if regenerative medicine reaches a point where they can literally shoot stem cells right into your eyeballs, grow you a new eyeball, 100% guarantee?
01:53:10.000It's no different than you getting one stitch.
01:56:42.000Like, jujitsu people, I think, have a better bond than, at least the gyms that I've been around, than a lot of people that boxing spar and kickboxing spar because they hurt each other more.
01:57:19.000How many times you've been hitting the bag, you think about some time that some dude fucked you up in sparring, just rocked you in sparring.
01:57:24.000You get mad when you're hitting the bag.
01:57:58.000Speaking of being able to fight like that, what if virtual reality, you went to fight, it doesn't really work if you're virtual reality-ing somebody because you don't get hurt.
01:58:07.000What if they use taser technology in with it, so as you got hit, you got tased?
01:58:19.000It's kind of weird because, you know, if you look at gloves, if you're looking at your gloves in front of you, If you think if you have your hands like this, that's how the gloves will look.
01:58:32.000So if you hold your hands like this, so you're in front of the guy, and you find yourself throwing punches like this because you want your fist to look like an actual punch.
01:58:40.000It's a little odd like that, like they gotta polish that up.
01:58:43.000But other than that, when the guy hits you, you see a flash of light.
01:58:48.000It's not enough, but it's interesting.
01:58:51.000A little bit of a zap would be better.
01:58:53.000But as far as just developing your skills, it's feedback.
01:58:59.000And really that's all you need is feedback.
01:59:00.000And then you would figure out a way to get so good at the game and get your head movement so on point that this virtual guy could never hit you and your skills would be super sharp.
01:59:10.000Then you could move into another stage of it.
01:59:14.000There's one of the things that's a big problem with teaching people how to strike is the panic of getting hit.
01:59:18.000Like you can look great on pads, but then when you're actually sparring, there's the panic of getting hit.
01:59:23.000So how do you get a person past that panic?
01:59:25.000Well, you got to get them to spar light.
01:59:27.000And you got to get them to trust people and develop their skills so that as the punch comes, you're not locking up because some fucking Francis Ngannou dude is throwing nuclear missiles at your dome.
01:59:37.000No, someone's just touching you and you learn to do it that way.
01:59:58.000Maybe you could do that, but you'd have to have something on your legs.
02:00:01.000Soldiers try, our military does it, where they try to mimic it through computers, and then they try to the exact T and put them in stressful situations, and then when the bullets are really firing, a lot of them, when it's real, there's nothing they can do to mimic it.
02:00:25.000And what the Navy SEAL was telling us, he's like, even we do all that, and even when the real bullet's flying, I'll look behind me and the guy's just frozen.
02:01:27.000But you know that thing that I got in my garage, Eddie, that rubber guy, you know, it's just a torso, and you can accommodate each punch on him?
02:01:39.000Yeah, you give him a bone on the upper arm, you know, you give him some rigidity, but then the lower arm, for the forearms down, you just have it as just a rubber.
02:01:47.000Can you imagine just the one-two you could do with the robot?
02:01:50.000Just the one-two, it's just a robot, and you just gotta program it to go...
02:01:59.000If you can avoid the robot, it's not like a real fight, but damn, it's pretty damn close.
02:02:06.000You're avoiding these combos that are programmed in by nerds.
02:02:11.000The Wing Chun dummy was some rudimentary concept related to that.
02:03:44.000He's worked with Golden Boy, but he does have his own promotion too.
02:03:47.000The UFC, if I was the UFC and I just spent $4 billion to buy the UFC and all this shit starts going down, I'd be like, you motherfuckers, do you know how long it's going to take to make back that $4 billion with you guys all branching off and starting your own promotions?
02:04:51.000As far as the UFC got up to 2017, nobody anticipated it up to 2005. Even in 2005, nobody saw that coming, but then the first episode, the first ever Ultimate Fighter airs, and then it becomes this huge superstar event with Stefan Bonner vs.
02:05:07.000Forrest Griffin in the finals, millions of people tune in, the world explodes, MMA becomes popular, and then here we are, 12 years later, looking at it, nobody saw this.
02:06:18.000If someone wins some crazy U.S. Open tennis tournament, and that's an amazing thing, if Conor McGregor knocks Floyd Mayweather the fuck out with a piston-like left hand, the world explodes!
02:09:37.000I'm the first guy for sure that is the lead commentator for a gigantic organization, like a professional sports organization, that also does a thing on the internet where they smoke weed and talk shit watching the same event.
02:12:56.000You know the weird thing about conspiracy theorists that are making a living off conspiracy theories?
02:13:03.000There's so many conspiracy theories and a lot of guys are just like into one or two and they're experts on nine or experts on JFK and they fucking know everything about this.
02:13:13.000It's so deep and so sophisticated and complicated.
02:13:16.000The whole JFK thing, all the theories and all what could have happened and all that, it's so deep.
02:13:21.000Dudes spend their whole life on that so when they talk to dudes that are still believing in CNN and they're trying to convert them, trying to wake them up a little bit, what ends up happening is They've invested so much money in JFK that they can't...
02:13:37.000They're not even looking at other ways we're getting fucked.
02:13:42.000So when other people bring other crazy conspiracy theories up, they gotta say, that dude's a shill.
02:13:48.000He's right about the JFK shit, because I know, because I studied that, but all this other shit he's talking about, that's gotta be a shill.
02:13:54.000Is that what he's gonna do to you, Eddie?
02:14:04.000Let me finish what I'm saying real quick.
02:14:06.000Everybody thinks, not everybody, there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there that are experts in certain conspiracies that they think Alex Jones is a shill because he's not, what is that, a vacuum?
02:14:26.000There's a lot of conspiracy theories that think he's a shill because they're not talking about the conspiracy theory that they spent all their time on.
02:14:37.000Like, Alex Jones is like, you know what, there's different levels of conspiracy theories.
02:14:42.000To go deep on one thing though, there's a generalist and a specialist in everything.
02:14:47.000And a generalist, the specialist can go deeper in their one specialty than any generalist can do.
02:14:54.000Conspiracy theorists argue with each other more than with skeptics.
02:14:58.000It's incredible, like the scene, everybody's pointing fingers, he's a shill, he's a shill, just because they're not spending time or promoting your, like, Alex Jones, he's into certain conspiracy theories, and it's like, you know, he's got his plan, his agenda to wake people up or whatever.
02:15:15.000Whatever he thinks, he's got his plan.
02:15:16.000And then this guy has, this is how we do it.
02:15:19.000This guy, well, how come you're not talking about what they're doing?
02:15:21.000And how come you're not talking about the Jews?
02:15:23.000And how come you're not talking about...
02:16:38.000Eddie, the Economist is a very credible source, and if it wasn't, they would get found out not only by people like you, but also by other news outlets.
02:17:12.000And what I'm saying is that you develop a reputation after a while, because it's pretty easy to find out if you've been lying for 140 years about every news story.
02:17:43.000Yeah, so people who corroborate the same story and they have independent lines of either inquiry or investigation, whatever it might be.
02:17:52.000And that's kind of how, and that's why I invest in reading not just the New York Times, but The Economist, Two Sides of the Political Spectrum, NPR. And when I hear three publications like that, one that's independent, One that relies on public sourcing,
02:18:31.000I know that if it's mainstream media, anything for me, the mainstream media is controlled by the government.
02:18:41.000So anything that the mainstream media all agrees on and anything that they're pushing, I am automatically seriously skeptical about it because our government has lied to us for millennia.
02:18:54.000So I'm not trusting anything they say.
02:18:57.000If they're all saying it, I'm not trusting it.
02:18:59.000I understand what you're saying, but you really don't have any information to go on based on the – when you talk about this particular magazine, you don't know anything about it, right?
02:19:11.000I'm not an expert in The Economist, but I'm pretty sure – But it's been around a long time, right?
02:19:19.000What you have to understand is having a prejudice.
02:19:25.000Prejudice, dismissive attitude without having actually examined it is part of the whole problem we have with information in the first place.
02:19:31.000You might be right, but you haven't examined it and you're already throwing it away before ever looking into it at all.
02:19:37.000But it's a giant issue because there's people that are worth billions and billions of dollars.
02:19:42.000They're getting their financial information from somewhere.
02:19:51.000Or are they getting it from a long-standing credible source that all these different super rich people rely upon, and that's why it's credible.
02:20:02.000No, but Eddie, you don't know if it's untrue, but you're prejudging it, and that's not healthy either.
02:20:07.000That's one of the reasons why a lot of these conspiracy theories fall apart, is because there hasn't been any forethought into concocting them.
02:20:13.000They just immediately step in and say, if it's mainstream, it's got to be this.
02:20:19.000When you have a, let's just say, a criminal who's been in jail, who's been in jail for credit card fraud, he's just a shitbag dude.
02:21:12.000Once you made that decision, there's nothing that could be said to you.
02:21:16.000Once you're a criminal, is there something that this criminal that has a long history of credit fraud and robbery, is there anything that dude can tell you?
02:22:21.000So it's criticized by people who disagree with this policy.
02:22:24.000So the New York Times, in the back of the newspaper every day, is an op-ed page, which is different, various journalists, some right-wing, most left-wing, who give their point of view on the world, and not so much like...
02:22:36.000Because a lot of, like, Nicholas Kristof, who's in there working with women in Kenyan schools and stuff, or forced prostitution.
02:22:46.000He's not making any money, by the way.
02:22:47.000But he's in there, and what he'll do is write an op-ed piece that will bring your awareness to the fact that, for example, in Cambodia, there's a lot of sex for sale, and it's really horrible, etc., etc.
02:22:58.000So, you know, it's worth giving The New York Times, it's worth giving The Economist, it's worth giving NPR a fair shake.
02:23:05.000You might learn something, because to say that it's all lies, Eddie, is a little extreme.
02:23:10.000And also, they wouldn't be in business, because people don't like to be fooled, and I don't think you could fool people all the time.
02:23:45.000You've both been indoctrinated with ideas, both that are separate, both that are probably wrong because most of the information we get is not based on truth, your own point.
02:24:42.000And if that is being closed-minded, I would like to hear what would be considered open-minded.
02:24:49.000No, I just mean all of your beliefs, many of which much more of yours that I believe with than Eddie's, and no offense, Eddie, I love you, are based on everything you've learned in your life.
02:24:59.000All the things you've been exposed to.
02:25:05.000Built you a belief system, just as Eddie's has.
02:25:07.000Eddie's, everything he's been exposed to, everything that he's learned, all the information, not just the information you're talking about, but how you learn information, how you gather ideas, all of those have built you guys your own belief systems.
02:25:19.000And when you look at each other, you're just shocked that the other one can't see it.
02:25:23.000You're shocked that the other one can't see your belief system.
02:27:12.000And I'll be like, I'll say something, and people will be like, hey, by the way, bullshit, because here's this, and I go, geez, that's embarrassing.
02:28:26.000Instead of just having an open conversation about the possibilities.
02:28:29.000My point, although I'm probably 75% think like Brian, we all are just thinking all of the information that we've ever been exposed to, and we've built a belief system based on it.
02:29:42.000It's a constant way that people do it, because nobody ever wants to be wrong, and when you get into debates, it becomes a game as much as it becomes a conversation.
02:29:50.000I'm saying that's really bad for everybody.
02:29:52.000And that it's really just, like, if you're still in it, if you know your side is losing, and you know you don't have any facts on your side, and you're still in it, you're fucking it up for everybody else.
02:30:02.000But if you make sense, if you make sense, then you don't need all that.
02:30:09.000You don't need all that if your facts are in line and if you've done exhaustive research on the subject.
02:30:14.000But when you just blanket throw all mainstream media's CIA, Operation Mockingbird, 9-11 was an inside job, chemtrails, gotta go, peace out.
02:30:28.000And so one of the problems, like, for example, healthcare, universal healthcare, gun control, these things, it's very, when you get into it, it's really difficult to come, and we were talking, Joe and I were talking about this, you can't know everything.
02:30:40.000Look at this, look at this right here.
02:30:41.000Here's some conspiracy shit that's real.
02:33:00.000I, as the editorial, as the editor-in-chief, or whoever it is who okays these things, I have got to see tangible, measurable proof Which is why the Rolling Stone story about the UVA case was such a big deal.
02:33:29.000And they're like, that is a catastrophic failure of journalism.
02:33:32.000These checks and balances are in place to make sure that we know the fucking truth when it gets printed in such a prestigious magazine as the Rolling Stones.
02:34:05.000There have been tens of millions of scientists over the course of human history.
02:34:11.000There have been a small handful that have been corrupt.
02:34:15.000And those small handful that have been corrupt that we have found out about, the results have been catastrophic.
02:34:20.000What they have done has been horrific.
02:34:21.000What they did with the sugar industry, What they did with tobacco, what they did with, there's a lot of fucking environmental catastrophes that were downplayed by scientists.
02:34:32.000There have been some bought and paid scientists, 100%.
02:34:35.000But that's just like, there's certain people that are going to be corrupt.
02:34:39.000The vast majority apply to the rules of science.
02:34:42.000Okay, so do you think that it's possible that journalists are bought and paid for, some of them?
02:35:03.000I love you, but when you're talking about something like The Economist that you don't have any information about at all, and you blankly dismiss them, that's where it all starts from.
02:35:13.000I said, I don't know anything about The Economist, but it's mainstream media, and if they're spewing the same thing everyone else is spewing, like CNN and CNBC. But that's your roadblock.
02:35:57.000I'm saying, when it's coming, When scientists and professors have been bought and paid for, like big ones, like Ivy League schools, like a Yale scientist says this, Harvard professor says this, to push some agenda, then it seems like it could happen.
02:36:12.000And then Operation Mockingbird, you can't ignore that.
02:36:17.000You don't think that's the exception, Eddie?
02:37:49.000And every now and then I'd watch it and I'd think, it is weird that we're watching 100% CGI. Like, everything we're watching, there's no actual footage.
02:37:58.000But that's because they don't have the capability to film hypernovas.
02:38:01.000I don't know the name of the scientist.
02:38:03.000I don't know the name of the astronomer or the astrophysicist.
02:39:23.000And then the sun's going around the goddamn...
02:39:25.000The Earth is spinning 1,000 miles an hour, and it's going around the sun like 60,000 miles an hour, and then the sun's going around the fucking black hole like 900,000 miles an hour, something like that.
02:40:49.000They know exactly there's a wobble to the earth.
02:40:52.000There's a changing in the sky that we look at.
02:40:54.000And it's one of the ways that they could determine when you go back in history and look at certain things that they had lined up to certain constellations, like in Egypt.
02:41:01.000It's one of the ways they lined it up.
02:41:03.000They line it up because they understand that we're looking at a different area of the sky every night, slightly different, and it changes over the course of thousands of years.
02:41:10.000Why do we see the little dipper every night?
02:41:15.000Every night should be a completely random...
02:41:17.000When you fly a plane, when you shoot a missile, when you shoot a bullet even, I think snipers have to take into account the curvature of the earth.