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00:02:07.000And I should have just kept my mouth shut, but the problem is Anne Frank, though, it would work with Anne Frank because she probably wore just one dowdy dress because she had to live in an attic for a year.
00:03:10.000And when I shot a little movie called Hangover 2, all the stunt guys and most of the just tough guys around were all professional or aspiring professional Muay Thai guys who spoke, I think, a little bit about training in Phuket.
00:03:24.000Yeah, that area, like I said, it's got those two gyms, and it's supposed to be a really cool tourist area, too.
00:08:02.000That was a nice transition there by Hein, recognizing that that knee is coming, kind of telegraphed that knee, now right at the back, but give up the position.
00:08:10.000Small, small, small arms, his short arms and legs.
00:13:56.000And if you watch Kimbo fight when he was in the UFC, when he was fighting like Mitrione or Houston Alexander, that motherfucker's taking it serious.
00:14:03.000Now when he fought Ken Shamrock, he's talking to him in the ring before the entrance.
00:16:22.000The way they do it at Glory is the old K-1 way, where if they go three rounds, and then if it's a draw, they go to the fourth and final round.
00:19:39.000That's like when I had a little affair with a girl on the national Canadian water polo team who was so hot, but her back was thicker than mine, and her hands, her knuckles, when we'd hold hands, I was like, well, your hands are a little, just a smidge bigger than mine, and I have a big problem with that.
00:19:55.000See, that's what I love about my girlfriend, Ioana, is that she doesn't start any drama or talk shit, but she could.
00:23:03.000I don't know what happened, but this guy stepped up and sucker punched this girl, and Roger got in his face, and he goes, I'll knock you out too, motherfucker.
00:23:10.000Roger takes his shirt off and just tees off on this guy.
00:25:54.000A lot of these guys are real nervous about interviews because it's live, you don't know exactly what to say, and you're kind of ad-libbing it in the moment.
00:26:01.000I'm like, the most important thing is it's not you.
00:26:46.000I wasn't surprised when I thought about it afterwards.
00:26:48.000While it was happening, I was like, whoa, this is crazy.
00:26:51.000But you can't just go up to 7,500 feet above sea level and expect to keep your cardio, especially when you haven't fought in two fucking years, man.
00:28:52.000You can, but you have to bring in a guy like Bouchesha to get you ready for Verdum, shoot a single leg on him, because they're going to do different stuff to get ahold of your neck.
00:29:01.000If you shoot a single leg on a high-level guy, a jiu-jitsu guy, he's going to get a hold of your neck.
00:29:06.000But you can pass and still take him down.
00:29:07.000So better to shoot a single or a double?
00:32:20.000I've been watching specials lately, and one of the things that I've been coming to this conclusion is, like, you need one view of the show.
00:32:28.000Like, head-on, like you're in the audience.
00:33:36.000See, the thing was, I go, Joey, I can only have you do 15, because if you do 21 minutes or longer, there's no way they're going to be able to listen to me for an hour.
00:33:47.000Yeah, and you have to be careful with that.
00:33:49.000Like, you don't want to fucking, like, you know.
00:35:10.000Get a look at this guy, Steve Kennedy, because that's what every UFC fighter's body is going to look like after drug testing becomes 100% implemented.
00:35:18.000They're all going to look like Steve Kennedy.
00:36:03.000One of the things bums me out is that this is gonna cost a fuckload of money to go after, you know, all these different guys who are using performance enhancing drugs.
00:36:57.000You've got to be real careful because it's federally illegal.
00:37:00.000And when you make a shit ton of money and they can take it all away, and if you're like me and you like to talk a lot of shit, some things could get ugly.
00:37:21.000You don't need to get in that business.
00:37:23.000It's also like a level of wealth that I'm not sure you really want to get to.
00:37:26.000I'm not sure you want to get to a level of wealth where everyone knows you're worth a billion dollars and you have to drive around with fucking guards everywhere.
00:37:54.000You know there's a service whether if you're gonna do like I don't know something like climb Mount Everest or do some crazy fucking kayak trip or go to Brazil you can pay a monthly fee and they will pick you up and rescue wherever you're at in the world.
00:38:09.000There's only a certain like they won't go to Syria and they won't go to like Afghanistan but other than that anywhere in the world you're covered.
00:38:15.000It's only like $175 a month some shit.
00:39:52.000I remember when I was doing Kirstie Alley's TV show, I went to her house, and she had two blind lemurs, she had a shitload of chinchillas, a thousand dogs, cats, and she had a huge desert hair in the middle of her bedroom.
00:40:07.000It was fenced in, and it couldn't use its back legs, so it had to drag itself around.
00:40:13.000I'll tell you, show how rich you are to people.
00:41:12.000He's actually turning away from the choke, which is, you know, as long as you can really pin your neck down, It's a real crank right now though, that shit.
00:43:30.000I don't want to take heat for this, but bear with me here.
00:43:33.000When Daniel Cormier, I saw him, he's the new light heavyweight champion, right?
00:43:36.000And UFC's selling his shirts, and then as soon as July 1st kicks in, Reebok's gonna design his shirts.
00:43:41.000If I'm Daniel Cormier, or I'm Conor McGregor, or Ronda Rousey, one of these megastars, why wouldn't you have your own website and create your own shirts and sell the fuck out of them and reap all your own benefits?
00:43:53.000I don't know, you're speaking like a businessman.
00:43:55.000You're a smart dude and you have the ambition to do that kind of stuff, but a lot of guys don't.
00:46:51.000You know what hurts my feelings is girls that I've dated before, and we've dated for years, even lived together, and now just because, whatever, we're not...
00:47:06.000I'm like no let's still be friends, but they can't do it man Some of them can't be but you can't be either Yeah, because you used to send it in there and shoot loads inside their body and they loved it Around you and they hug you and they feel your back wall of a pack They hug that back,
00:47:23.000and they feel that crease where the spine is, and the muscles wrap around the spine.
00:48:29.000She has like a yoga mat that she has rolled up next to the bench so she could pull it up here and she puts her elbows on the bench because she can't get under it.
00:48:38.000She's not as strong as you to get under it.
00:48:58.000And then I'll go to their fucking webpage, or I'll go to their Instagram page, and you find out that they have 7 million followers, and all it is is pictures of their ass.
00:54:47.000Fucking A. The thing about it is that it's opening up the door for Bellator in a big way.
00:54:53.000If they can show that they can come up with a lot of money for you in a contract and let you get your own sponsors like the way it used to be, that'll change the fucking game.
00:55:01.000Because all you need is a few of those guys to jump over.
00:55:05.000Well, Phil Davis was the first, right?
00:57:33.000I mean, if I had to really put money on it, I would put money on Connor because I feel like there's so much momentum and he has so much belief and I feel in some ways maybe he's inside Jose's head.
00:59:28.000I think it's brilliant that they have Conor fighting Aldo right away like this, because the reality is we have not seen Conor fight a wrestler.
00:59:35.000And if you see Conor in there with a Frankie Edgar, or Conor in there with a Chad Mendes, you fucking never know, man.
00:59:41.000Some wrestler's gonna be a bitch, man.
00:59:43.000You never know what they could do to him.
00:59:44.000You never know if they could take him down and smother him.
00:59:46.000Look at the way Frankie Edgar stole Cub Swanson's fucking mill.
01:01:31.000I mean, when you watch him move, you watch his Mike Brown fight, when you fought Mike Brown for the WEC title, he takes his back like a ghost, gets those hooks in and just, you're going nowhere.
01:01:40.000When you were a kid sucking on your mama's titty, he was in a gi.
01:01:43.000That's how long he's been doing jiu-jitsu.
01:02:51.000And Bobby Lashley always fights in these strange places with fucking legitimate propped up athletic commissions.
01:03:00.000Yeah, I mean, I just think that there's nothing wrong with making an agreement like that.
01:03:06.000Well, you know what's weird to me is, like, you look at other sports, like, in baseball, if you get tested positive for steroids, you're so fucked, no Hall of Fame, you get booed everywhere we go.
01:03:16.000Look at Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez right now setting all these records.
01:03:19.000If you get caught in the UFC, you're kind of fucked.
01:03:22.000You look at a guy like Rothwell who got caught, or Alistair Overeem, then they fight, everyone kind of forgets, it's whatever.
01:03:28.000You get caught in football, it's not a big deal.
01:05:39.000Tony, will you shut your fucking mouth?
01:05:43.000Tony, you weigh six pounds and you're talking about a guy who is an immense super athlete, probably about 260. Is Brock Lesnar on steroids?
01:05:51.000Of course, they've all done something.
01:08:50.000If Brock Lesnar had the right coach, like if he went to a...
01:08:54.000Not saying there's anything wrong with his coaches.
01:08:56.000What I'm saying is, if he had the right coach in the right amount of time, like if he went to a Matt Hume or a Ferasa hobby and they engineered his career from the beginning to the time he's being introduced to the UFC to the time he's introduced to high-level competition,
01:13:03.000I know, but we found out really quick it was.
01:13:05.000Well, we only found out because he fucked up.
01:13:07.000If Anderson didn't fuck up, Anderson escaped from the knee bar, right?
01:13:11.000He escaped from the leg lock attempt by Weidman and was beating Weidman standing up before he's clowning around and trying to goad Weidman into an exchange so he could, you know, he could counter-tax him.
01:13:21.000It's hard to say he's beating him standing up because he's making such a joke of everything.
01:13:24.000He was kicking the shit out of those legs and punching him in the face at will.
01:14:39.000I think if Kane was more active and he hadn't been injured and he was just running through the division like he was when he was in his prime before this two-year layoff, if you look at the Kane that beat up Junior Dos Santos in the second and third fights, if you look at the Kane that stormed through Ben Rothwell...
01:24:47.000Listen, if we ever want to do it, what we could do is next time there's a UFC where you guys want to do something, we could just get a studio somewhere at a casino and do a live event and have a podcast with the three of us.
01:25:23.000I just remembered, you reminded me, I have to figure out, maybe I should email someone who knows more, but they told us last time at that Ca Theater, because it's a Cirque du Soleil theater, that we can do crazy stuff.
01:28:11.000And a couple of Johanna's fights ago, because I've been to quite a few of them, just luckily, you know, matched up with the gigs that I do with Joe, and she just happens to be on the card.
01:40:39.000And by the way, you know, you gotta think that this is fucking wearing on making her fight that kind of grueling grappling exchanges is gonna wear on Ioana.
01:57:28.000Not that she's not fighting good fighters, but people assume that they're not good, and Ronda's just being, you know, spoon-fed, which is not true.
02:01:13.000Yatsin Klai is a fucking badass boxer.
02:01:16.000Muay Thai does not mean that they don't have good hands.
02:01:20.000Especially today, in this day and age.
02:01:22.000Before guys like Ramon Decker came over to Holland, a lot of those guys didn't concentrate on their hands as much.
02:01:28.000But once the European guys and once some of the American guys started going over to Thailand and fighting, you started to see a lot more hand techniques from the Thais.
02:01:38.000The elbows are the motherfucker because people are really good with elbows, man.
02:02:57.000I mean, he's in this weird predicament too with the drug testing.
02:03:00.000Where they apparently they found like he had two two samples and One of them tested positive and the other one from a different lab did not test positive So this is dispute as to which one was correct That's weird the thing that bothers me is he just denies it like he should just come out back Listen,
02:04:14.000I stopped competing, I stopped fighting, and I focused 100% on comedy because this one kid at an open mic night said to me that I was really good when I first started, but I've drifted off.
02:05:44.000There's things we're seeing where it's not good.
02:05:46.000Yeah, there's a certain point in time where your time is past you, and you've got to understand when that time is.
02:05:52.000And the only way to understand when that time is, is you have to be objective with yourself, you have to be honest with yourself, and you need someone to tell you.
02:05:58.000You can't be objective and honest with yourself, because you don't get to an elite level of fighting being a Because, you know, do I still believe I can be a champion?
02:06:08.000Especially now, what if Orlovsky beats Verdum, and then you look at Orlovsky in your fight, which is, you could have easily won that fight.
02:06:15.000And you look at that, and you go, well, I can be champ.
02:06:17.000Yeah, which is great, but to me, it's like, it never hit me until I was talking to Nate, and I was like, oh my god, this is what Joe did with me.
02:06:28.000You have to be so fucking honest and you can't tiptoe around their feelings because they're not going to get it.
02:06:34.000It's really weird, like sometimes you'll see...
02:06:36.000That was the first time, like I appreciate it, but that literally last week was the first time I ever was like, oh my god, I get it.
02:06:42.000Because fighters, you don't get to that level without this crazy confidence, man.
02:06:46.000And people tell you stuff and sometimes it's not good, you have to block that out and just keep going.
02:06:50.000It's also different than anything else.
02:06:52.000Like, if you were a musician, no one would ever talk to you like that.
02:06:54.000But the difference between being a musician making bad songs and being a fighter and getting punched in the face is that you're gonna suffer for the rest of your life with any unnecessary damage that you take.
02:07:05.000And the more you can stop that, the more you can have a great rest of your life.
02:07:09.000You know what a friend told me, though, when we were arguing about Nate?
02:07:12.000I'm like, bro, I'll fucking talk to him, right?
02:07:42.000They also don't have that kind of personality that you have that translates really easily into podcasting and fucking around and being entertaining.
02:07:59.000But the guy I was talking to, I'm not going to say his name, but he just goes, that's easy for you to say because you can walk away and you're going to make more money not fighting.
02:08:43.000What if Reebok said, alright, to help fighters out, because you're only getting paid when you fight, right?
02:08:48.000So guys are hustling, trying to figure things out.
02:08:50.000What if, and obviously Reebok has the money, and obviously UFC has the money because they're drug testing every fucking fighter a million times, which is expensive.
02:08:57.000What if Reebok did a monthly payment system where you're not forced to take fights, where you're not getting injured and showing up for fights?
02:09:25.000So you make that up and they're not, you know...
02:09:29.000Risking fighting injured stuff like that brain trauma you they get they're getting monthly so that make sense maybe but you know what the real problem is securing a future outside of fighting and What a guy like you you have more potential outside of fighting now than anybody and more than you've ever had before and as your podcast Your podcast is fucking giant right now and it's growing at this crazy rate where you guys are millions and millions of downloads every month It's gonna keep going and going and going and going and going and just get stratospheric They
02:11:58.000Well, Brennan and I were talking about...
02:12:00.000Whether or not, and it's a very tricky thing to pull off, whether there should be some kind of an expert body, a governing body of experts, who can look at somebody in their fight and say, you just can't fight anymore, you lose your license.
02:12:13.000Okay, but you say that, but how do you stop Orlovsky from fighting?
02:12:17.000Look at Orlovsky, because Orlovsky was on the way out.
02:13:04.000I do think that most of those comeback decisions could be avoided where you'd make most of the decisions very good if you had a group of people who really knew their shit and they took in all the factors.
02:13:16.000Most people would go, that person is 36 years old, whatever he is, 37, 38. He's been starched many times.
02:13:50.000It's not the same shit, though, and the reason it's not the same shit is that head trauma and the damage these guys are taking, they're going to pay for for the rest of their life, and it's life-shortening.
02:13:58.000I don't think you can say the same thing about things like swimming and things.
02:14:14.000I'm just addressing the fact that you don't get to be a fighter and a great fighter, like a lot of the guys, without Being objective is probably not your friend in the ring when you're a young man.
02:15:22.000It's not like he's kickboxing and because of this he's showing up with hyperhuman hormone levels that allow him to absorb punches like tic-tacs and just beat guys down and run!
02:15:33.000Like Vanderlei in his prime, that kind of shit.
02:15:36.000But that also comes back down to the old idea of competition sport on a fair playing field.
02:15:43.000That would be the argument that the commission would make in baseball, right?
02:15:46.000They'd say, well, you have an advantage then over the other 32-year-olds.
02:15:51.000But he doesn't have an advantage because he's still just a pitcher.
02:15:53.000And it's not only he's throwing some ball 190 miles an hour when no one's ever seen that before.
02:15:58.000He's throwing pitches at a normal speed.
02:16:02.000I mean, he's not doing anything unusual.
02:17:29.000You can also just play in your late 30s where you probably couldn't because your bat speed slows down.
02:17:34.000Now, do you think, and this comes with bullying and all this shit, do you think with society becoming a little bit sissified, now it's like head trauma's a bigger deal?
02:17:42.000Because head trauma's always been there, right?
02:17:44.000I think it's about, we know more about it, though.
02:17:45.000We know more about it, but at the same time, it's like, oh, we should stop this.
02:17:48.000Football, they shouldn't play with helmets.
02:17:50.000Well, when I signed up for football, I'm like, all right, I'm clashing my helmet against that dude.
02:17:54.000Yeah, but you thought your bell was rung.
02:17:57.000Now as we learn more and more about not only what it does but the long-term effects, it's harder to condone it when you know that the people that are doing it right now are going to pay a very steep price or could be.
02:18:10.000It's harder for society, I think, to deal with.
02:18:27.000I think those stories existed before of the guy who got a concussion and the coach put him back in there and then he got paralyzed moments later.
02:18:35.000But they never get broadcasted because it wasn't the internet.
02:18:38.000So those stories were trapped in Toledo, Ohio and some parents would tell their friends and it would be a tragedy, but it would never make it across the globe.
02:18:46.000Now those stories become huge international stories.
02:18:50.000You also see your childhood heroes talking about how they don't remember it.
02:18:55.000Tony Dorsett did that interview and talked about how he just forgets where he is, what he's doing.
02:19:01.000Mike Ditka, Hall of Fame coach, Hall of Fame player, was like, if I knew the repercussions it was going to have on my players and myself, I would never play football.
02:19:20.000Matt Matreon talked about the fact that his son wants to play football, and he said, well, that's not going to happen until you can, basically, you're in, what, sophomore or junior in high school, until your head starts to develop, or maybe college.
02:20:28.000At least in the NFL, I'm still gonna get head trauma, but at least I'm gonna get compensated for it down the road.
02:20:34.000And it's not the UFC's fault, because UFC, right now, you know, we're getting there, but we're in leather helmets if it's the NFL. The NFL's been around a long time.
02:20:53.000Yeah, what do you think, from the actual doing of the sport, and I know it probably depends on the position, but say a free safety or someone...
02:21:01.000Does free safety take more head trauma than somebody who is an active fighter in the UFC? I don't think so.
02:21:45.000He said if he got hit six times a round in the head, which is low, if he got hit six times how many rounds he did in amateur fights and pro fights, it came out to what?
02:22:21.000And against the very best in the world.
02:22:23.000Once they come up, if they come up with a way to regenerate brain cells, if they come up with a way to fix, like if they come up with some sort of stem cell injection when they can regenerate your tissue.
02:22:59.000They just, I think they're coming really close to reverse engineering the red blood cell of a dog, which means that then they'll be able to do it with a human, which really means they'll be able to replicate it with a tiny machine.
02:23:13.000Well, that's what Kurzweil was saying.
02:23:15.000Kurzweil was saying they're going to come up with artificial blood cells that are so efficient, you'll be able to take one deep breath and go to the bottom of a pool for an hour.
02:23:58.000Say you could engineer the perfect person.
02:24:00.000Then it would raise really weird questions about what a human being is.
02:24:05.000Because so much of what we define a human being...
02:24:07.000It's based on their will and their ability.
02:24:10.000They'll never be able to figure out how to make someone smart or make someone have a good personality or make someone have a funny sense of humor.
02:26:14.000I like the idea, I like what they're doing for, you know, Just Cool Me is a really cool non-profit organization that basically tries to get the word out there that when you have head trauma, he was a veteran, I think Daniel, damn, Daniel Ortega, Daniel Ortiz, I'm sorry,
02:26:29.000Daniel Gonzalez, I think his name is, and he runs it, and he was a, he was a Mexican name.
02:26:47.000And one of the things that they found is that when you have head trauma and you cool somebody immediately, you cool their head right away, it can be very, very beneficial to stopping long-term trauma.
02:26:58.000And this guy, the cryo helmet guy, Douglas, his brother's a boxer.
02:27:04.000He was a boxer, and his brother actually has a gym.
02:27:07.000And so he created basically this cryo helmet where you just put it in the freezer and you just put it on your head after your contacts are in.
02:27:12.000Real quick, he sent it to you because you're worried about head trauma?
02:27:17.000No, because he listens to the podcast.
02:30:14.000Dude, I had to do a cooking show yesterday talking about my diet and how I'm like straight at 205. Is this just me bullshitting the whole time?
02:30:21.000They're gonna hear this, I don't give a fuck.
02:30:23.000They're like, so like right now, where you at?
02:33:13.000If I did that, if I ate eggs and steak, I would wake up two hours later in a hot sweat and I'd have to throw the covers off and I would be awake for another three hours.
02:33:56.000You know what the problem I'm having sticking to a strict diet is when you have a goal, like when you know you have a motherfucker like Andrey Arlowski, you're gonna fight a Crow Cop, it's easy to be strict as fuck.
02:36:38.000All those people that I know, all those people that when I first met you, all those people you used to hang around with, those are all toxic, and they've ruined the way you're allowed to communicate with people.
02:38:51.000Dude, I'll meet people, or I'll meet certain people, celebrities or not, and for some reason I'll be like, God, Rogue would fucking hate this person.
02:39:21.000They become a part of your life, and then you have to deal with their bullshit.
02:39:24.000You have to pretend that what they're saying is not retarded, and when you do that, you compromise the way you think and behave and communicate with people.
02:42:14.000Like these shows that we've been doing lately, you're working on new material and just like trying to get it together like it's exciting before while you're doing it and you're killing it's exciting and afterwards you're listening to the recordings trying to figure out how to tweak the joke and add this to it.
02:42:30.000So I think one of the big problems that we were talking about, like fighters have, is that once the career is over, there's no more progress.