The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion

00:00:02.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:03.000 If you're tuning into this and you're expecting a regular podcast, this is definitely not a regular podcast.

00:00:09.000 This is a podcast where we sit down and watch the UFC fights and just sort of talk shit while the fights are going on.

00:00:16.000 Don't even expect commentary.

00:00:18.000 Don't expect that either.

00:00:20.000 Don't expect anything.

00:00:22.000 And hopefully you won't have your expectations shattered.

00:00:25.000 But with me here is Uncle Creepy, Ian McCall, one of the top flyweights on the planet Earth.

00:00:30.000 Hello.

00:00:30.000 And my brother Jimmy Smith, one of the best analysts slash MMA commentators slash Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt slash commentator for Bellator until they change the name Bellator.

00:00:41.000 For now, for now still Bellator MMA. Fight TV MMA. And what we're going to do is we're just going to talk while the fights are going on.

00:00:49.000 There's a UFC fight night that's happening right now live from San Antonio.

00:00:54.000 And we'll let you know.

00:00:56.000 It's hard to sync up because there's a little bit of a delay between the internet and what's on television.

00:01:01.000 I think it's like a 15 second delay.

00:01:03.000 So what we'll do is we'll just give you like fight starts now with us.

00:01:08.000 And so you'll know when to sync up with the very first fight.

00:01:12.000 So until then.

00:01:13.000 It'll be kind of a clusterfuck.

00:01:14.000 But the card is pretty fucking dope.

00:01:16.000 I'm very excited about Cub Swanson and Jeremy Stevens.

00:01:19.000 That's a good fucking fight.

00:01:20.000 I'm not.

00:01:21.000 You're not excited about that?

00:01:22.000 He's been dogging this since we got in here.

00:01:24.000 I'm friends with both of them, and someone's getting their ass kicked tonight, and I'm like, fuck!

00:01:28.000 I'm friends with both of them too.

00:01:29.000 I like both guys tremendously.

00:01:31.000 I like them as fighters.

00:01:32.000 I like them as people.

00:01:33.000 But, damn, I want to see them fight.

00:01:35.000 It's going to be exciting.

00:01:36.000 It'll be good.

00:01:37.000 No doubt about it.

00:01:38.000 Impossible to not be, right?

00:01:39.000 No way.

00:01:40.000 And also, Calvin Gaslam, who missed weight again.

00:01:45.000 He's fighting Nico Muscoke.

00:01:48.000 Muscoke?

00:01:48.000 How do you say it?

00:01:49.000 Muscoke.

00:01:51.000 Whatever you say, the dude's badass.

00:01:53.000 I've seen him fight.

00:01:54.000 He's excellent.

00:01:55.000 Very, very good fighter.

00:01:56.000 He fights out of Sweden.

00:02:00.000 He's one of those dudes that trains with Gustafsson, I believe.

00:02:04.000 And he's very talented.

00:02:07.000 He's very talented and very complete all-around game.

00:02:10.000 So that's the co-main event.

00:02:12.000 And a lot of good fights on the undercard as well.

00:02:16.000 It's live right now from San Antonio, Texas.

00:02:21.000 Who else is on the card here?

00:02:22.000 Let me see.

00:02:23.000 Diaz versus Lamas.

00:02:26.000 Yes, that's right.

00:02:27.000 Ricardo Lamas is on this card, right?

00:02:29.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 He's fighting Hakaron Diaz.

00:02:31.000 He fought in M1. I covered a few of his fights.

00:02:33.000 Did you?

00:02:34.000 Yeah, he's in Ovanion.

00:02:34.000 Great jiu-jitsu.

00:02:35.000 He's got nine submissions in his career.

00:02:37.000 But he's exactly the kind of guy you want if you're Ricardo Lamas' camp.

00:02:41.000 Because he's dangerous.

00:02:42.000 He's not that well-rounded.

00:02:44.000 There's not a lot of X-factor to his game.

00:02:46.000 You want Lamas mentally ready to get back in there.

00:02:49.000 I thought he had a good fight for the title, but you want your guy back on the horse pretty quick.

00:02:53.000 And Diaz is the right guy for that.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, what did you think of that fight with Lamas and Aldo?

00:03:00.000 I think Aldo's just on another level.

00:03:02.000 Yeah, Aldo's just, for the first two rounds, he's the baddest motherfucker on earth.

00:03:05.000 For the first two rounds.

00:03:07.000 Do you think he's lazy, or do you think he just can't keep that weight cut?

00:03:10.000 That weight cut's brutal.

00:03:10.000 The dude walks around in 170. Like, I saw him in Brazil, and Andy Plessy just looks like a predator walking.

00:03:18.000 What's strange about the Llamas fight, if you look at it, is that that was a fight where he paced himself pretty well.

00:03:24.000 Like, you know, he didn't look like he was expending a ton of energy in the first two rounds like he usually does, and yet he still didn't have gas in the fifth round.

00:03:31.000 So I think it is the weight cut where it's just he only has so many minutes.

00:03:35.000 The clock starts no matter what he does, because he didn't do a lot of wild stuff in the beginning, and he still ran out of gas in the fifth round.

00:03:41.000 Do you remember when he fought in Toronto and they had that enormous car and they had all the fighters up on the deck and everybody sat?

00:03:47.000 He was going to pass out or something.

00:03:50.000 He was so sick.

00:03:51.000 He was so tired.

00:03:52.000 He was so sick that he couldn't just sit there.

00:03:54.000 He couldn't sit there.

00:03:55.000 They had to take him off the dais and they had to bring him downstairs.

00:03:58.000 And this was before he weighed in.

00:04:00.000 It's ridiculous to ask a fighter before they weigh in and put a fucking suit on and strap your belt on and pretend that everything's fine.

00:04:06.000 Meanwhile, you're on death's door.

00:04:08.000 How much do you cut when you cut weight?

00:04:10.000 I was 140 after practice this morning.

00:04:13.000 And Ian fights at 125 pounds, one of the top 125 pounders on the planet, so he knows what the fuck he's talking about.

00:04:19.000 So 140 for you, and when you get down the week of the fight, what do you try to weigh?

00:04:24.000 I try to walk around under 140. 139 is okay with you?

00:04:29.000 I'd rather be 135, but that's probably not going to happen.

00:04:32.000 I mean, the lighter I get, the better I fight, it seems.

00:04:35.000 Do you drink a shitload of water the week of to get your body used to just pumping it out of your system?

00:04:40.000 Is that the idea behind it?

00:04:41.000 Yeah, I have a hybrid with distilled.

00:04:42.000 I mean, it took us a few days to find distilled water in Brazil, but we did it.

00:04:46.000 Yeah, you have to find distilled water, right?

00:04:48.000 Yeah.

00:04:48.000 Why is that?

00:04:49.000 No minerals in it?

00:04:50.000 The minerals retain water?

00:04:51.000 It strips your body of all the salts and stuff and minerals.

00:04:53.000 But most people don't do this.

00:04:55.000 You have to replenish your body with those minerals.

00:04:58.000 Right.

00:04:58.000 Like if you get a company called Trace Minerals that makes Trace Minerals.

00:05:03.000 I put them in my water before I go to bed every night.

00:05:07.000 Every night while you train?

00:05:09.000 Yeah.

00:05:09.000 That's a huge thing just for your health.

00:05:11.000 People don't understand.

00:05:12.000 My girlfriend, she just learned out the hard way.

00:05:17.000 She learned out the hard way?

00:05:18.000 She learned the hard way.

00:05:20.000 She works out so hard, does hot yoga every day, twice a day.

00:05:25.000 She's kind of crazy.

00:05:26.000 I know she's listening.

00:05:27.000 I love you.

00:05:29.000 Crazy in a good way.

00:05:30.000 She's a very nice lady.

00:05:31.000 Yeah, she's cool crazy.

00:05:34.000 I bought her the drops because I know what she's doing.

00:05:37.000 I give her all kinds of supplements.

00:05:39.000 She does take her vitamins.

00:05:41.000 She just is hard-headed and doesn't listen to me.

00:05:44.000 But now she figured out she needs to take that stuff.

00:05:46.000 Well, what made her figure it out?

00:05:47.000 She got sick.

00:05:48.000 Just wasn't feeling good during a practice.

00:05:52.000 And you think it's because of minerals?

00:05:53.000 Yeah, she sweats out that much and doesn't ever drink.

00:05:56.000 Doesn't ever try and retain them.

00:05:58.000 Well, that's the thing that they were saying.

00:05:59.000 They had a thing.

00:06:00.000 Okay, first fight is going to go on right now.

00:06:02.000 It's Joe Ellenberger versus James Muntasri.

00:06:07.000 Shit, we probably should have listened to how it's said.

00:06:10.000 Muntasri?

00:06:11.000 Let's go with Muntasri, right?

00:06:13.000 I've never seen this gentleman fight in the UFC before.

00:06:15.000 It must be one of his first fights.

00:06:18.000 He hasn't...

00:06:19.000 He's been fighting really since 2011. I think he's had his first in like 2008 or something, but really since 2011 he's been fighting.

00:06:26.000 So he hasn't been on the scene that long.

00:06:27.000 Fairly newbie, and Ellenberger is the brother of Jake Ellenberger, who is a top UFC welterweight, and Joe Ellenberger's had some serious health issues.

00:06:37.000 So for him, just to get into the UFC, it was like a lot of people were saying that he was going to die, he was going to have a very short lifespan, he would never be able to fight competitively again.

00:06:49.000 So to see him get in good enough shape to fight in the UFC is a huge victory for him.

00:06:55.000 They said he wouldn't live past like 30 or 35 or something.

00:06:57.000 Something crazy like that, yeah.

00:06:58.000 I remember seeing a walkout shirt, if I'm not mistaken.

00:07:00.000 I thought he was like on death's door at the time.

00:07:03.000 Or something.

00:07:04.000 I forget what it was.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, it wasn't good.

00:07:06.000 At one point in time, it was not good.

00:07:08.000 So whatever his disease is...

00:07:10.000 The medication cost $440,000 a year.

00:07:13.000 Jesus.

00:07:14.000 And insurance isn't going to cover him.

00:07:16.000 And he's on that right now?

00:07:17.000 I don't know.

00:07:18.000 I know that that was the first problem.

00:07:21.000 Oh my god.

00:07:23.000 Fucking pharmaceutical companies.

00:07:24.000 Yeah, they're saying, well, you're going to die soon, but the medication that'll save you is $440,000.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, let's jack up some sound here, Jamie, so we can see what's going on here.

00:07:40.000 It's just nice to see him realize his dream, you know?

00:07:43.000 That's got to be a brutal thing to see your health slip away.

00:07:46.000 Oh, we just got tagged.

00:07:49.000 Yeah, I mean, to be a young athlete that's, you know, just about to get on the big stage.

00:07:56.000 He just got signed, what, five years ago?

00:07:58.000 Yeah, it was quite a while ago.

00:07:59.000 And this is his first fight.

00:08:00.000 What do you guys think about that position that keeps coming up over and over again now?

00:08:05.000 I call it the Travis Brown, when dudes are going for that single, and they're clinging on to that leg, and they leave that exposed head, and they just get blasted with elbows.

00:08:13.000 That short-turn elbow, man.

00:08:14.000 Woo, Travis Brown throws some heat in those elbows.

00:08:16.000 He's a big, scary person.

00:08:18.000 Woo!

00:08:19.000 He knows exactly where to put it.

00:08:21.000 Exactly where to put it.

00:08:22.000 He fucking hammers them.

00:08:25.000 Repeated.

00:08:25.000 They're coming down fast and hard.

00:08:27.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:08:28.000 By the time the referee gets there, I mean the referee, especially if it's a fat referee, he's got to take three or four steps.

00:08:34.000 Travis Brown's getting in at least two elbows on an unconscious opponent.

00:08:38.000 He put Josh out cold.

00:08:40.000 Instantly.

00:08:40.000 No one's ever done that to Josh.

00:08:42.000 Pedro Hizzo knocked him out before, but it was with one perfectly...

00:08:46.000 Oh!

00:08:46.000 Beautiful flying knee attempt there.

00:08:48.000 Ellenberger's got a guillotine.

00:08:49.000 Weird, an Ellenberger that's tough.

00:08:51.000 Yeah.

00:08:53.000 That knows how to wrestle.

00:08:55.000 Oh, look at this.

00:08:56.000 Working on that Darce, trying to get their hand through.

00:08:58.000 He's not keeping his body weight on it, though.

00:09:00.000 Nope.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 He's out.

00:09:01.000 The struggle.

00:09:02.000 Now, if you're fighting a guy who's a late replacement like Muntasri, this is how you want to fight.

00:09:06.000 Wear him out.

00:09:07.000 Because if you're fighting a guy who's a late replacement, you have two options if you're Muntasri.

00:09:12.000 Either come in and throw everything you got in the first round, or try and conserve your energy, and Joe's not letting him do either one of those.

00:09:18.000 What was the original opponent?

00:09:20.000 Do you know?

00:09:21.000 I don't remember.

00:09:22.000 I don't remember either.

00:09:24.000 But Mutasri, what did he take this on, two weeks notice or something?

00:09:27.000 Something short.

00:09:29.000 What do you guys think about that, touching the hand on the ground to prevent the knees?

00:09:34.000 That's, that man, that seems super silly to me.

00:09:37.000 You can't do it when a strike is headed for you.

00:09:40.000 Right.

00:09:40.000 So guys do it really early.

00:09:43.000 It's just, you know, it's always going to be a tactic.

00:09:46.000 You can't really get around it.

00:09:47.000 Well, unless they change the...

00:09:48.000 Oh, he got hit hard.

00:09:50.000 He got hit hard.

00:09:52.000 His eyes aren't open.

00:09:53.000 He's really hurt.

00:09:53.000 Yeah, he's hurt hard.

00:09:54.000 His eyes hurt.

00:09:55.000 His nose is busted.

00:09:56.000 I think it's his nose because he can't open his eyes.

00:10:00.000 Mutasri's getting after him.

00:10:01.000 Damn.

00:10:03.000 Watch the back of the head.

00:10:07.000 He winced his eye.

00:10:08.000 Whatever it was that happened, it was pretty fucking serious.

00:10:12.000 It looked like it popped his nose, I think.

00:10:14.000 Well, we'll probably get a shot in between rounds, but Mutasri is punching and he's just covering up here, holding on.

00:10:20.000 Lost a single.

00:10:25.000 And he goes to his back.

00:10:26.000 He looks like he's alright.

00:10:27.000 You see blood?

00:10:29.000 I thought I saw some blood.

00:10:30.000 I think it's from the nose, yeah.

00:10:31.000 Yep.

00:10:33.000 Let's see Ellenberger's guard.

00:10:35.000 Oh, exposed nose, too.

00:10:38.000 Yeah, this is his nose.

00:10:39.000 His nose is bad.

00:10:42.000 Your vision completely goes when that happens.

00:10:45.000 Completely.

00:10:47.000 Staying aggressive, but...

00:10:50.000 This is where it's super important to have a guard.

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:53.000 There's so many guys that just don't ever think they're going to be on their back.

00:10:56.000 No.

00:10:57.000 Come on, guys.

00:10:58.000 So few do.

00:10:59.000 Like when you see somebody off their back and you're like, wow.

00:11:02.000 You don't know what you're doing.

00:11:03.000 They have no idea what you're doing.

00:11:04.000 You're completely lost.

00:11:05.000 I've talked to guys who are top-level guys, and they're like, man, I'm not going to be on my back.

00:11:09.000 I'm like, okay, well, you hope you're not going to be on your back, and I hope for you you're not going to be on your back, but if you're fighting somebody like you, don't you think you could probably put you on your back?

00:11:20.000 Yeah, well, there's yous out there, dude.

00:11:22.000 They're not the only ones.

00:11:23.000 Yeah, it's like the idea, acting like you're the only guy that can do a certain thing, that's crazy.

00:11:28.000 Like, thinking you're the only guy that can take you down, you take guys down, so you're going to be on top always?

00:11:33.000 That seems unlikely.

00:11:35.000 There's no weapon in MMA you don't need.

00:11:37.000 Absolutely.

00:11:39.000 It's funny, when you talk to guys and you're in the gym and they go, I don't want to know that.

00:11:44.000 And I went, it's like going into war and going, I don't need grenades.

00:11:46.000 I'll never be in a situation where I need a grenade.

00:11:49.000 Bro, I'm a bayonet fighter.

00:11:50.000 Bro, I'm a bayonet fighter.

00:11:51.000 I don't need a grenade.

00:11:51.000 I get up close, I want to look them in the eyes when I take their life.

00:11:54.000 I'm a sniper, I don't need a grenade.

00:11:55.000 Well, you're going to be in that position where you go, God, I just wish I had a grenade right now.

00:11:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:11:59.000 It's the same mentality, man.

00:12:01.000 Yep.

00:12:01.000 Allenburgers, yeah, his nose is fucked.

00:12:04.000 Oh, Mutasuri's mounting him.

00:12:06.000 Good hip escape.

00:12:08.000 30 seconds to go.

00:12:08.000 You know, that's the other thing a lot of guys don't have.

00:12:10.000 They have shitty sweeps in half guard.

00:12:12.000 Like, his go-to deep half here, he's just sort of lingering around in his half guard.

00:12:19.000 You know, he should be sucking up to that guy's body, but I think Allenburgers hurt here.

00:12:23.000 I think he's still trying to recover.

00:12:25.000 Half-guard is one of those things you see all the time in high-level jiu-jitsu.

00:12:28.000 They have outstanding half-guards and you almost never see a good half-guard in MMA. So true.

00:12:32.000 Guards and half-guard.

00:12:33.000 Just anything off your back.

00:12:35.000 Is it punches and elbows?

00:12:37.000 I mean, it's got to be what it is.

00:12:38.000 Guys don't want to get punched in elbows.

00:12:40.000 They just want to hold?

00:12:40.000 Yeah.

00:12:42.000 I want to submit somebody.

00:12:44.000 It's an option.

00:12:45.000 It's like Daniel Cormier was saying, we were talking before this thing started, that Cormier and Dominic Cruz are fucking killing it as analysts.

00:12:53.000 I love listening to those guys talk and their insight.

00:12:56.000 But one of the things that they were talking about, the main event, Cub Swanson and Jeremy Stevens, was that...

00:13:02.000 Jeremy Stephens has got to be a little bit more unpredictable.

00:13:05.000 He's got to throw a few more variables into the mix, like takedown attempts and things along those lines.

00:13:09.000 And I've always said that.

00:13:10.000 That's like, even if you don't want to take a guy down, if you make a guy think that you're trying to take him down, then he has to think about that, and that's one more piece of information he has to process.

00:13:20.000 If you're only making a guy process stand-up, it's infinitely easier.

00:13:24.000 It's so much easier.

00:13:25.000 It's the main reason why George Sapir was so successful.

00:13:28.000 Beside the fact that he's a bad motherfucker, he was one of the very best.

00:13:32.000 You didn't know what was going on.

00:13:34.000 You didn't know if he was going to try to take you down, or if he was going to stand up with you.

00:13:37.000 And the comfort level that he had, because he had fought so many championship fights, he'd been there, done that many times.

00:13:42.000 So you'd see guys, they'd be in the bright lights, holy shit, I'm fighting GSP, and they just didn't know what was coming.

00:13:47.000 And those two factors together combined for an incredible...

00:13:51.000 Oh, look at this.

00:13:52.000 They're checking Ellenberger's eyes.

00:13:54.000 Look at his right eye.

00:13:56.000 Justin Bieber's in the cage with him.

00:13:57.000 Holy shit.

00:14:00.000 I think they're worried about a fracture.

00:14:02.000 A lot of times when the eye drops like that, that's what they're worried about.

00:14:05.000 But it looks like they're letting him go.

00:14:06.000 Yeah, it could be a fracture.

00:14:07.000 A lot of times when it's a fracture, the eye swells up.

00:14:09.000 Yeah, and the lid drops and they can't really move the eye.

00:14:12.000 Yeah, that's what it seems like.

00:14:13.000 Wow, look at that.

00:14:14.000 That's what it looks like.

00:14:15.000 That's crazy.

00:14:17.000 Yo, I've never seen a closed eye like that.

00:14:19.000 It looks weird.

00:14:20.000 It looks like sloth, man.

00:14:21.000 You know what it looks like?

00:14:21.000 It looks like the nerves in his eye just stopped working.

00:14:24.000 Like, it's not swollen up.

00:14:25.000 It's just shutting.

00:14:27.000 Well, he was wincing for a reason.

00:14:28.000 Yeah.

00:14:29.000 He's probably fucked on that side.

00:14:31.000 He probably can't see left hooks at all, though.

00:14:36.000 It's funny, you know...

00:14:37.000 Oh, shit.

00:14:39.000 A guy who's going through a situation like Ellenberger is, you can't help but root for him.

00:14:43.000 Yeah.

00:14:43.000 But Mutasri...

00:14:45.000 He's doing a great fucking job in this fight.

00:14:47.000 He is.

00:14:48.000 Especially on short notice.

00:14:49.000 Looks very good.

00:14:50.000 What's funny to me about, like we were saying about, not, you know, not having complete games, is that's something that happens in all combat sports, and yet people don't think it applies to MMA. In boxing, they always say, if you can't sell the jab, I'm not going to buy your right hand.

00:15:04.000 Yep.

00:15:04.000 If you don't sell me on the first one, you're not going to get the combination.

00:15:08.000 And people don't think that way in MMA, which is a little strange.

00:15:10.000 Yeah, and you know, right here, Ellenberger's got Muktastri's back.

00:15:14.000 Very nice.

00:15:15.000 And he has a leg in on the cage side, which is the hard side to get in.

00:15:18.000 So fucking hard to get a rear naked choke with these goddamn gloves.

00:15:22.000 Yeah.

00:15:23.000 For folks who just do jujitsu, do yourself a favor one day and do some...

00:15:27.000 Ooh, I like how he's trapping the arm.

00:15:29.000 Do some jujitsu.

00:15:29.000 Got both hooks in.

00:15:30.000 Do some jujitsu with gloves on.

00:15:32.000 You'll be astounded.

00:15:33.000 It makes chokes 20% harder.

00:15:36.000 20% harder to get.

00:15:37.000 I would take the arm with my leg.

00:15:39.000 Yeah?

00:15:40.000 Yeah.

00:15:41.000 I mean, especially after having BJ do it to me.

00:15:44.000 Oh, I love that.

00:15:45.000 It's just frightening.

00:15:47.000 BJ's so good at that.

00:15:48.000 He loves getting that rear naked choke trapping the arms.

00:15:52.000 Yeah, and he's only 160 pounds.

00:15:56.000 I was 150 going out there.

00:15:59.000 And he felt so heavy on top.

00:16:02.000 He's so good on the ground.

00:16:03.000 It's just ridiculous.

00:16:05.000 Yeah, BJ in his prime was one of the elite of the elite in jiu-jitsu.

00:16:09.000 A lot of folks don't know that.

00:16:11.000 And he got there quick.

00:16:12.000 First non-Brazilian world champion.

00:16:13.000 Took it in three years.

00:16:15.000 Three years!

00:16:15.000 He got his black belt and boom, won the Mundiales.

00:16:18.000 He's got the darts.

00:16:20.000 Ellenberg's got this Darce.

00:16:22.000 He's got to sit his hip out.

00:16:25.000 If he pulls this off, good for him.

00:16:27.000 Seriously.

00:16:27.000 He needs it.

00:16:28.000 He can't help root for the guy.

00:16:29.000 He's got a lot of space there under that right armpit, though.

00:16:37.000 He's going to give it up.

00:16:38.000 Yeah, he's trying to give it up.

00:16:40.000 Oh, now he's going and ducking under it.

00:16:42.000 Jeff Glover style.

00:16:44.000 Yes.

00:16:44.000 There we go.

00:16:45.000 That kid's a stud.

00:16:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:46.000 He doesn't have it, though.

00:16:48.000 Nope.

00:16:49.000 Yeah, now he's on top.

00:16:50.000 Ah, didn't put his hips down.

00:16:52.000 Do you like the Japanese necktie?

00:16:53.000 Do you ever use that?

00:16:55.000 I find them really hard to get.

00:16:57.000 Really?

00:16:57.000 I have really big form.

00:16:58.000 It's really hard for me to get them.

00:17:00.000 Japanese jerking off so much, bro.

00:17:02.000 No, dude, I can't, man.

00:17:03.000 I'm on the road three months at a time, bro.

00:17:05.000 Three months I'm on the road.

00:17:07.000 Get yourself a flashlight.

00:17:08.000 Oh, my God.

00:17:09.000 Use the code word ROGAN. Save 15%.

00:17:11.000 Ellenberger's still on the bottom here.

00:17:17.000 Hey, what did you think of Glory?

00:17:19.000 How fucking awesome was that?

00:17:20.000 It was good, man.

00:17:21.000 It was a fun show.

00:17:22.000 Two of my boys, Joe Schilling and Shane Oblonski.

00:17:25.000 Dude, Schilling's a fucking beast.

00:17:27.000 He's a monster.

00:17:28.000 That dude is a beast.

00:17:29.000 That knockout of Simon Marcus.

00:17:31.000 Holy shit.

00:17:32.000 Fourth round.

00:17:33.000 And he was spinning out on purpose.

00:17:35.000 That was a good deduction, man.

00:17:37.000 It was.

00:17:38.000 Big Joe McCarthy.

00:17:38.000 He knows his shit.

00:17:40.000 Big John McCarthy knows his shit.

00:17:42.000 The problem with the one-day tournament, though, is it's won by the time the finals rolled around.

00:17:47.000 I mean, Schilling was just like, I have another fight.

00:17:50.000 Maybe.

00:17:50.000 I mean, he just didn't have a lot left.

00:17:52.000 That's what I hate seeing, is when it's decided.

00:17:54.000 I mean, he walked in there going, I was amazed he could walk to the ring by the time he'd been through those fights.

00:17:59.000 Fighting three guys at night is preposterous.

00:18:01.000 They had Shane come out.

00:18:02.000 I mean, granted, Shane isn't in shape ever.

00:18:06.000 He throws up after every time he works out.

00:18:08.000 The guy's just really talented.

00:18:12.000 From the last punch he threw, they waited 30 minutes, and that's what they said.

00:18:17.000 They read that he won, he walked in the back, they changed his gloves, and then he walked back out.

00:18:23.000 Wow.

00:18:23.000 And that was, I mean, I'm sure Joe's was just as hard.

00:18:26.000 Wow.

00:18:27.000 They're savages.

00:18:29.000 Shane Del Rosario, is that who you're talking about?

00:18:30.000 No, no, no.

00:18:31.000 Shane Oblonsky.

00:18:31.000 Shana.

00:18:32.000 Okay.

00:18:32.000 No, Shane Oblonsky.

00:18:33.000 Shane Oblonsky.

00:18:34.000 Yeah.

00:18:34.000 He fought in the featherweight court.

00:18:37.000 Yeah, okay.

00:18:38.000 Made it to the finals and lost to Varga.

00:18:41.000 He's huge at that weight.

00:18:43.000 I was weight cutting with him and he missed it.

00:18:45.000 I was so fucking pissed.

00:18:46.000 Did he miss it?

00:18:46.000 I was like so mad at him.

00:18:48.000 How bad did he miss it by?

00:18:49.000 Two pounds.

00:18:50.000 Oof.

00:18:54.000 For the beginning fighters listening to this, nothing will piss off a promoter more than not making weight.

00:19:00.000 It is pretty much like not showing up for work on your second day.

00:19:04.000 You'll get canned fast.

00:19:06.000 They hate that.

00:19:06.000 Now, Ian, obviously you're so close to this, it's hard to look at it objectively, but do you think that they should abandon weight cutting?

00:19:14.000 Do you think they should move to abandon weight cutting?

00:19:16.000 And do you think it's ever possible to abandon weight cutting?

00:19:20.000 Yes, they should.

00:19:21.000 I'm sure I take a few years off my life every time I do it.

00:19:25.000 When I cut in Florida, I cut 18.8 in the last 20 hours.

00:19:29.000 At first, your hearing goes, and then your vision goes, and then you feel your body start to cramp up.

00:19:37.000 You're like, I'm fucking dying.

00:19:39.000 Literally.

00:19:40.000 I'm literally, this is how people die.

00:19:42.000 And then you have to put on a smile, walk out, and stare at the person.

00:19:47.000 Flex.

00:19:47.000 Yeah, flex and stare at the person that you're going to fight tomorrow.

00:19:49.000 And then you get to drink.

00:19:52.000 Take a couple of sips of Pedialyte right after you step off the scale because you're literally dying.

00:19:57.000 I've seen some people that look like they're dying.

00:19:59.000 They tried to, in the NCAAs a few years ago, for those that follow it, you weighed in once and then you had the whole NCAA tournament.

00:20:06.000 So you weighed in once and then you wrestled for three days.

00:20:09.000 Then a kid at Michigan died cutting weight.

00:20:12.000 It was kind of like they tried to make it easier by having one weight cut and then they could wrestle three days and then they realized that just encouraged people to cut more weight and a kid from Michigan died and now you've got to weigh in every time.

00:20:23.000 It's like when they make it harder...

00:20:26.000 It's like, oh my god, how can you make people weigh in and then fight?

00:20:28.000 Well, it encourages people to cut less weight.

00:20:31.000 It's just you can't win.

00:20:32.000 When they try to make it like you had a day in between, guys just cut more weight because they had a day to rehydrate.

00:20:38.000 So which weight can you go?

00:20:40.000 It's in high school, too.

00:20:41.000 In high school, you have coaches that treat you like you're a pussy if you don't cut weight.

00:20:44.000 Oh, putting on plastics and ugh, and you're 14. My coach was a world champion at 17. Oh, no.

00:20:50.000 He was from Iran.

00:20:51.000 Oh, no.

00:20:52.000 A little Iranian guy, 17, and was world champion.

00:20:55.000 And he left the country, so he was in exile out here and wasn't able to wrestle in the Olympics, and he would have won gold.

00:21:01.000 Oh, my God.

00:21:03.000 And that's the person I was raised in wrestling by.

00:21:06.000 I was living in his house like two days a week, fucking screaming at me in Farsi.

00:21:11.000 Persian food is the best food for you.

00:21:12.000 Fuck you.

00:21:13.000 What the fuck?

00:21:16.000 You had the Iron Sheik every morning yelling at you.

00:21:20.000 The man did things that I've never seen other people do.

00:21:23.000 He's just the best person to me.

00:21:25.000 He definitely saved my life.

00:21:27.000 That's awesome, man.

00:21:28.000 It's great, man.

00:21:29.000 But as a wrestler, he was a savage.

00:21:32.000 Yeah, those guys, man.

00:21:34.000 First of all, wrestling in that part of the world is enormously important.

00:21:38.000 It's a hugely coveted Olympic sport.

00:21:41.000 Yeah.

00:21:41.000 Wrestling in Iran is gigantic.

00:21:43.000 He used to wrestle his cousins for food.

00:21:47.000 Whoever won, the kids won, they would buy the dinner.

00:21:51.000 The loser would buy the dinner.

00:21:52.000 Jesus Christ.

00:21:53.000 He'd be in the sauna with me, massaging me like a 16-year-old kid, cutting weight.

00:21:57.000 Massaging me, trying to get me to cut weight.

00:21:59.000 People would be looking at us and they were like, what the fuck is this old man doing?

00:22:03.000 Why does he have a little boy making him sweat in here?

00:22:07.000 Think about me in high school, how small I was.

00:22:09.000 103 pounds.

00:22:10.000 Wow.

00:22:11.000 What weight class did you wrestle?

00:22:13.000 103?

00:22:13.000 3s, 3s, 12s, 19s.

00:22:15.000 And what did you actually weigh before you started the cut?

00:22:19.000 Do you remember?

00:22:19.000 By senior year, I was probably 35. I was supposed to cut weight in high school, but I wouldn't do it.

00:22:29.000 So I walked around at 135 pounds and I wrestled at 134 pounds.

00:22:33.000 I was like, I'm not doing it.

00:22:35.000 I was just like, you guys are dying.

00:22:37.000 I see it all around me.

00:22:38.000 There was a kid that was one weight class above me.

00:22:40.000 This really big, really big tall kid.

00:22:44.000 I forget what his name is.

00:22:45.000 But he used to weigh like...

00:22:48.000 He would wrestle at 140-something, and he would weigh 170 pounds.

00:22:53.000 And I just didn't understand that.

00:22:55.000 He was a big kid.

00:22:56.000 We were 15 at the time, or he might have been a little older, maybe 16. But he was a big kid, and I was watching this guy put on rubber suits and run up hills and rolling around covered in towels and shit.

00:23:09.000 Hiding under the wrestling mat?

00:23:11.000 Hiding under the wrestling mat.

00:23:12.000 Everybody does that.

00:23:13.000 I'm not doing it.

00:23:14.000 And I cut weight a few times for Taekwondo tournaments, and then I went up a weight class and fought.

00:23:18.000 I weighed 154 and fought 154. For me, it was way better.

00:23:22.000 I was just too lean anyway.

00:23:24.000 I was always walking around very low body fat, so I just felt terrible.

00:23:28.000 The worst I ever saw was Marcos Galvan when he fought Chase Beebe in Bellator.

00:23:33.000 He could barely get on the scale.

00:23:34.000 He couldn't walk.

00:23:35.000 And then he got off the scale, and he was going to the elevator, and he sat down, and he started convulsing.

00:23:40.000 He started shaking.

00:23:41.000 And what...

00:23:43.000 What people don't understand is the next day against Chase Beebe, he looked great.

00:23:49.000 Phenomenal.

00:23:50.000 The amount they get back almost encourages that kind of shit.

00:23:54.000 If they walked in there and just felt so bad they couldn't fight, you wouldn't see guys do it.

00:23:59.000 They recover so well that it encourages them to do it.

00:24:01.000 You do see some guys that you know they're taking it.

00:24:04.000 You know they're hurting.

00:24:05.000 Like, you know, they get down to that.

00:24:06.000 Like, a perfect example is that dude who was Daniel Serafian, who was a killer at 185 pounds.

00:24:13.000 Just fought at 170. And you can see for the moment he stepped into the octagon, he barely made weight.

00:24:19.000 And the moment he stepped into the octagon, he just couldn't grab it.

00:24:23.000 It was just missing.

00:24:24.000 His timing was off.

00:24:25.000 His strength was off.

00:24:26.000 He just didn't have it.

00:24:29.000 Mark Quart just decided to go back up to 85, beat Tahuna last night.

00:24:32.000 Yeah.

00:24:33.000 What did he say?

00:24:33.000 God made him do it or something?

00:24:34.000 God made him do it.

00:24:35.000 God told him to fight at 185. Ian, don't you question God?

00:24:40.000 Fuck you, bro.

00:24:41.000 Hey, I'm gonna offend little baby Jesus.

00:24:42.000 Allenberger's looking to slap on this triangle.

00:24:45.000 He looks like he's...

00:24:46.000 A little tighter with it now.

00:24:47.000 Guys don't angle their hips enough.

00:24:49.000 They also don't know rubber guard.

00:24:52.000 I mean, you know, I know a lot of people prejudiced against Eddie Bravo techniques, but that fucking mission control to triangle.

00:24:57.000 They don't know how to attack off their back with anything.

00:25:00.000 The rubber guard in MMA is one of the best moves ever because you can hold a guy down with your arm.

00:25:05.000 You grab him, and you're not just pulling down with your arm.

00:25:08.000 You're pulling down with your legs as well.

00:25:09.000 And if you have a good triangle set up off of that, it's just a phenomenal move.

00:25:14.000 Yeah.

00:25:32.000 But even coming from, in my case, Carlson Gracie style, which is a lot of open guard and stuff like that, like Merle Bustamante, hips are always moving.

00:25:40.000 They're just active the whole time, whether you believe in that or not.

00:25:42.000 No matter what your school is, it's active hips and active fundamentals, and guys have a surprising little of that.

00:25:49.000 Well, Jeeva's my coach.

00:25:50.000 She was a stud.

00:25:52.000 People don't know, like, Jake Shields just came in and rolled, and Jake always had an open invitation to the gym, and he just showed up one night, and I'm like, oh, what's up, dude?

00:26:00.000 So you guys should roll, and then after he rolled with GV, he's like, why didn't you tell me that he was so good?

00:26:04.000 He's like, I usually come into gyms, and I don't want to embarrass the coach, so I roll easy.

00:26:09.000 He's like...

00:26:10.000 Holy crap.

00:26:11.000 I've never been swept so much.

00:26:12.000 He was like, wow.

00:26:13.000 Or Jared Wallens.

00:26:14.000 Remember when he elbowed War Machine?

00:26:16.000 Yeah.

00:26:16.000 That's Jeeva.

00:26:18.000 Jeeva's a...

00:26:18.000 Fuck, man.

00:26:19.000 It's crazy how good he is.

00:26:21.000 All Butterfly Guard?

00:26:23.000 Butterfly Guard.

00:26:23.000 He does everything.

00:26:24.000 I mean, he's...

00:26:27.000 I wouldn't say rubber guard stuff.

00:26:28.000 Just wicked off his back.

00:26:29.000 So good off his back.

00:26:30.000 Crazy.

00:26:31.000 So important.

00:26:31.000 Really good.

00:26:32.000 I mean, and it's basic, you know, armbar type jiu-jitsu with a lot of elbows pushing the head out, hips out, blasting people, you know, like trying to create damage.

00:26:41.000 Who do you think has got the best guard in MMA right now?

00:26:45.000 Fabricio?

00:26:47.000 Verdun?

00:26:48.000 I mean, the dude fucking finished Fedor.

00:26:50.000 For years, it would have been Minotauro.

00:26:52.000 I think we're past that point.

00:26:54.000 It used to be.

00:26:55.000 And his prime Minotauro, heavyweight-wise.

00:26:57.000 Damian Maia's got a great one.

00:26:58.000 I don't totally agree with that.

00:27:00.000 I think Minotauro had an amazing guard, but I believe if you put Fabrizio Verdum in the same scenario, he would tap those guys quicker.

00:27:08.000 Really?

00:27:09.000 Yeah.

00:27:09.000 I don't think anybody's better off their back than Verdun.

00:27:12.000 He is outstanding.

00:27:13.000 He is really great.

00:27:14.000 You see, he's insane.

00:27:15.000 The way he keeps his feet on the hips, the way he keeps guys moving around.

00:27:18.000 You watch that Fedor fight, it's not just impressive the way he submitted him.

00:27:22.000 It's like, the fight was over as soon as he was locked up in his guard.

00:27:25.000 He snatched that thing up.

00:27:26.000 He took it out of fucking midair.

00:27:28.000 It wasn't like he fell into it.

00:27:29.000 Minotauro never could do that.

00:27:31.000 I mean, Minotauro in his prime...

00:27:32.000 He would take a lot.

00:27:32.000 He would take...

00:27:34.000 A ton of damage, and then get something.

00:27:36.000 A lot of people go, is this really worth it?

00:27:38.000 You are getting the years beaten out of you, man.

00:27:40.000 But he couldn't pull it off in his prime on Fedor.

00:27:43.000 Granted, Fedor was in his prime in that fight, and he wasn't in his prime in the Verdum fight.

00:27:47.000 But still, Verdum, I think, just watching it, I think he's the best.

00:27:53.000 You know who's really good who doesn't get a lot of credit for?

00:27:55.000 Is that Charles Oliveira kid.

00:27:57.000 That kid's wicked off his back.

00:27:59.000 Very good guard.

00:27:59.000 Wicked standing up, too, man.

00:28:01.000 That fight with Frankie Edgar was fucking awesome.

00:28:03.000 Yeah.

00:28:04.000 He fought last night, right?

00:28:05.000 Didn't he?

00:28:06.000 I didn't see it last night.

00:28:06.000 He fought on a Tehuna card.

00:28:09.000 Ellenberger wins a decision.

00:28:11.000 Powerful Ellenberger.

00:28:12.000 Good for him, man.

00:28:13.000 Good for him.

00:28:14.000 Let's hope that eye isn't.

00:28:14.000 I know, man.

00:28:15.000 I hope he didn't destroy his eye.

00:28:21.000 Yeah, he fought last night.

00:28:24.000 Trying to find the fight card.

00:28:28.000 Here it is.

00:28:29.000 The UFC.com, not the best fucking website in the world.

00:28:36.000 He fought Hatsu Hioki.

00:28:38.000 And he beat Hatsu Hioki.

00:28:41.000 Decision?

00:28:41.000 I don't know.

00:28:42.000 I haven't seen it yet.

00:28:44.000 We could watch that later.

00:28:45.000 Shinya Yoki for a lot of years.

00:28:47.000 I think had one of the best guards in MMA. Oh, fuck yeah.

00:28:50.000 Oh my god.

00:28:51.000 What do you think about the tights?

00:28:53.000 That was the big thing.

00:28:54.000 He wore tights in Pride, which are great for traction, but they wouldn't let him wear it when he fought anywhere else.

00:29:01.000 I don't really understand that.

00:29:02.000 He stopped Yoki.

00:29:05.000 It was the first time Hatsu Hioki got stopped.

00:29:08.000 And by the way, Hioki, just a couple of years ago, was thought of as the number one guy.

00:29:12.000 Yep.

00:29:12.000 At 145 pounds.

00:29:15.000 And, uh...

00:29:16.000 Has not done so hot.

00:29:18.000 He got an arm and guillotine.

00:29:20.000 He got him with an arm and guillotine.

00:29:22.000 The way he cinched it up, it looks like, uh...

00:29:25.000 Like he wrapped it up Darth style.

00:29:29.000 Hmm.

00:29:31.000 My arms aren't that long.

00:29:32.000 I know, man.

00:29:33.000 All three of us in this room, we've got little stubby fucking monkey arms.

00:29:37.000 Yeah, I envy guys like Tony Ferguson, those long-ass fucking arms.

00:29:42.000 Tony gets Darces from everywhere.

00:29:45.000 Bill Cooper in jiu-jitsu.

00:29:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:47.000 Lock you up, you're done, man.

00:29:48.000 Hodja Gracie, another perfect example.

00:29:50.000 Those long-armed dudes, man, they just really know how to get those certain submissions.

00:29:55.000 That was the worst spinning bat butt kick.

00:29:57.000 Not good.

00:29:58.000 Not good at all.

00:29:59.000 The spinning bat butt kick.

00:30:01.000 But props to that dude for taking that fight on short notice.

00:30:05.000 Last minute.

00:30:05.000 I think a little prep, you might have won that one.

00:30:07.000 It was a good fight, too.

00:30:09.000 It was a fun fight.

00:30:10.000 Joe got his ass kicked for the first five minutes.

00:30:13.000 Yeah, that fucking eye looked pretty bad, man.

00:30:16.000 That I looked real bad.

00:30:17.000 So let's see what else we got here.

00:30:19.000 What is next?

00:30:20.000 This fucking fight card.

00:30:23.000 I'm so excited about this main event.

00:30:26.000 I know it's real close to you, buddy.

00:30:28.000 And I know it's hard for you.

00:30:30.000 But I'm excited about this.

00:30:34.000 Sometimes I just don't want to see my friends get beat up.

00:30:36.000 Of course, right?

00:30:37.000 It's understandable.

00:30:39.000 I don't mind getting beat up myself.

00:30:43.000 Yeah.

00:30:43.000 I'd rather not.

00:30:45.000 It's...

00:30:46.000 A lot of guys say that it's harder when you're walking your teammates up than it is when you're walking yourself up.

00:30:50.000 Do you feel like that?

00:30:51.000 Completely.

00:30:52.000 Yeah, because I just want to go.

00:30:54.000 I know what I'm doing.

00:30:55.000 You know, I can control what's going on.

00:30:58.000 And usually it ends up pretty well.

00:31:00.000 So I just, I like it.

00:31:02.000 But by other people, it's like, sometimes you're thinking, you suck at this, you suck at that, don't do that, don't look at me and smile and get thrown.

00:31:11.000 That's the worst.

00:31:13.000 I have heard in my career some really horrible coaching.

00:31:16.000 And that stands out to me, I think, more than anything when you're commentating.

00:31:20.000 It's in between rounds, man.

00:31:21.000 I know pay-per-view and on TV is very different depending on what you do, whether or not we see the rounds, see the coaches in between rounds.

00:31:28.000 It's up to the producer and all this stuff.

00:31:29.000 So a lot of times, I'm sitting there watching the coach and You know, play-by-play guys doing something, and I'm like, that is the worst advice I have ever heard.

00:31:38.000 Like, they don't know what they're talking about.

00:31:40.000 I like that you'll say that.

00:31:42.000 It's awful.

00:31:42.000 You will say that, though.

00:31:43.000 I'll call them out, man.

00:31:45.000 Yeah, I will.

00:31:46.000 I'll call them out.

00:31:46.000 Like, they're pissing me later, man, sometimes.

00:31:48.000 I've gotten a couple people mad at me, but...

00:31:50.000 Or, you're winning this fight!

00:31:52.000 And I'm like, what fight are you looking at?

00:31:55.000 You are down four rounds to none.

00:31:57.000 Yeah, it's never good to lie to you, fighter.

00:32:00.000 Cheerleading.

00:32:01.000 Some guys give awesome advice, though.

00:32:03.000 Some guys are really good.

00:32:04.000 You know who I think is the best?

00:32:05.000 Matt Hume.

00:32:06.000 Very good.

00:32:07.000 He's so specific.

00:32:08.000 He's so specific about what's going on and what you're doing wrong or what you could do to make that a little bit better.

00:32:14.000 Very technical.

00:32:15.000 And then you'll hear other guys where it's like, it's you all day long.

00:32:19.000 Put your punches together.

00:32:20.000 They say a bunch of shit.

00:32:21.000 Push the pace.

00:32:21.000 Like, what are you saying?

00:32:22.000 You're not saying anything.

00:32:24.000 One of the worst I remember distinctly was BJ Penn's corner saying, go at him.

00:32:32.000 Oh no!

00:32:33.000 Like over and over.

00:32:34.000 I think it was actually the Jens Pulver fight.

00:32:36.000 This is way back for the old fans.

00:32:38.000 And they're going, go at him, Hilo style.

00:32:40.000 Like 20 times.

00:32:41.000 And I went, you're not saying anything.

00:32:44.000 Hilo style.

00:32:45.000 But it was like, his talent had always gotten him that far.

00:32:48.000 So when it didn't work...

00:32:49.000 They didn't know what to do.

00:32:50.000 It's like, we never coached them before.

00:32:51.000 Why are we going to start now?

00:32:53.000 It's super tough when you have that dynamic too, right?

00:32:56.000 When you have that dynamic of one guy is the alpha, the super alpha.

00:32:59.000 Have you ever been to Hilo?

00:33:00.000 No.

00:33:01.000 I've been to Hilo, but I've never been to BJ's camp.

00:33:03.000 I just stayed at his parents' house.

00:33:04.000 What is it like?

00:33:05.000 It's so much fun.

00:33:06.000 I would move there if I could.

00:33:08.000 I love those people.

00:33:09.000 It's so beautiful.

00:33:09.000 It's so beautiful, and it's like the little town my girlfriend was raised in.

00:33:14.000 It's a...

00:33:15.000 Like Minden, Nevada, Gardnerville, like right below Tahoe, but it's that surrounded by jungle.

00:33:20.000 It's a tiny little town, and everyone's cool, and you just sit around and go to the beach.

00:33:26.000 But there's a lot of fights, isn't there?

00:33:28.000 A lot of fistfights.

00:33:29.000 Awesome.

00:33:29.000 Children should be getting into fistfights.

00:33:31.000 Children should be getting into fistfights.

00:33:32.000 You tell your daughter that?

00:33:34.000 Well, no.

00:33:34.000 The girls shouldn't ever fight.

00:33:37.000 That's disgusting.

00:33:38.000 Tell us how you really feel about women's MMA while we're here.

00:33:41.000 There's a big UFC bout this weekend.

00:33:43.000 You might get a fucking text message from DFW. You don't understand how much shit-talking I get.

00:33:49.000 I fuck with everybody.

00:33:50.000 It's Twitter, simmer down.

00:33:52.000 And then you get people saying some nerdy shit, like Roy McDonald sent me the wiki links to, like, idiot or something.

00:33:58.000 I was like, oh, that's a real good comeback.

00:34:00.000 What did you do to deserve that?

00:34:02.000 You said he had never gotten in a fist fight.

00:34:04.000 I'm just saying.

00:34:04.000 That the UFC is creating pussies that have never been in a fist fight.

00:34:07.000 The world's toughest pussies.

00:34:08.000 The world's toughest pussies.

00:34:08.000 We have the best athletes in the world.

00:34:10.000 Which is an awesome quote.

00:34:10.000 We have the world's best athletes.

00:34:12.000 And Doug Demetrius.

00:34:14.000 I doubt he's ever even been in a fist fight in his life.

00:34:16.000 But he beat my ass.

00:34:17.000 Ha ha.

00:34:17.000 One day.

00:34:19.000 That second fight he beat me up.

00:34:22.000 I'm just saying that a lot of guys, they just aren't scary.

00:34:27.000 To go from not scary to pussy is a pretty big leap.

00:34:30.000 Scary in what way?

00:34:31.000 You mean he's not an animal?

00:34:33.000 You mean if some shit goes down on the street?

00:34:35.000 BJ wants to beat the shit out of you and lick his gloves.

00:34:38.000 Chuck wants to beat the shit out of you and bone your chick.

00:34:42.000 Sorry, just kidding.

00:34:44.000 Back in the day, allegedly, whatever, whatever.

00:34:47.000 But that's who I was raised by.

00:34:49.000 So I have a different outlook on it.

00:34:51.000 It's just fucking savages and not guys that are just there to be athletic.

00:34:55.000 It's just me.

00:34:56.000 I'm a dick.

00:34:57.000 I'm sorry.

00:34:57.000 No, one of the biggest transitions in MMA over the last 10 years has been it used to be a sport of martial arts and fighters.

00:35:04.000 Now it's a sport of athletes.

00:35:05.000 And I go, these guys are just stud athletes who kind of went in that direction.

00:35:09.000 They didn't grow up going, you know, watching Bloodsport and wanting to be that guy.

00:35:13.000 Or, you know, getting in fistfights and going, gee, I'm going to go to jail if I'm going to do this for money.

00:35:17.000 That breed, those two halves are kind of gone.

00:35:19.000 Now it's like these crazy good athletes that kind of grew up, yeah, I was a cross-country runner and I was a football player and I went into MMA. So the...

00:35:25.000 I get what you're saying in the terms of it's become more of a sport of athletes, of guys who just have athletic backgrounds.

00:35:32.000 Like over the St. Pru.

00:35:33.000 Guys who are really good at other sports, like Matt Mitrione.

00:35:37.000 Yeah.

00:35:37.000 Really good at football.

00:35:38.000 Freaky athlete.

00:35:38.000 I just happen to say things in a really rude manner.

00:35:41.000 As always.

00:35:41.000 I got you.

00:35:42.000 Well, you make a point, though.

00:35:44.000 I see what you're saying.

00:35:45.000 I'm translating.

00:35:45.000 I'm a translator for Ian.

00:35:46.000 What he means is...

00:35:47.000 Most of what I say is stupid, and he just makes a soundbite.

00:35:51.000 It's my job.

00:35:52.000 It's part of my job.

00:35:54.000 Clint Hester is about to fight now.

00:35:56.000 He's fighting Antonio Braga Neto.

00:36:00.000 And Hester, who fights at 185, they were just saying on the underground how he weighed in today at 205. He's brilliant.

00:36:08.000 He's a big fella.

00:36:09.000 And he's a good athlete too.

00:36:11.000 That's a strong cat.

00:36:12.000 Hard, hard striker.

00:36:14.000 And Neto, who is, he's fought in the UFC before.

00:36:19.000 I think.

00:36:21.000 He's 9-1.

00:36:22.000 I think he's fought in the UFC. Let me look at his, because I know there's some guys that are making their debuts.

00:36:31.000 Machida was into that glory fight, man.

00:36:33.000 It's just a commercial with Machida on it right now.

00:36:34.000 Did you see that Machida said that he was interested in fighting Artem Levin?

00:36:38.000 Which is crazy.

00:36:41.000 I train with Romi Adonza.

00:36:43.000 He's probably the best 15-pounder this country's ever seen.

00:36:46.000 It's one 12-pounder.

00:36:47.000 And when he turns it up, oh my god, it is so scary.

00:36:53.000 I mean, he's the only guy that they bring ties over and he knocks most of them out.

00:36:58.000 Wow.

00:36:59.000 He's a 112-pound fighter and he hits like a heavyweight.

00:37:04.000 It's fucking crazy.

00:37:06.000 He's the only person I'm afraid of.

00:37:08.000 Where I'm like, oh my god, you're going to fucking put me out at any point.

00:37:11.000 And that's high-level kickboxing.

00:37:13.000 That's world-class kickboxing.

00:37:14.000 I used to train with Malapet over at North Hollywood Muay Thai.

00:37:16.000 Do you know how scary it is?

00:37:17.000 Dude.

00:37:18.000 Holy Jesus.

00:37:20.000 It was like you got shot by a gun.

00:37:21.000 I mean, it was...

00:37:23.000 What?

00:37:23.000 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 I was getting a guy named Kenny Johnson who just cornered, actually, a wrestler.

00:37:28.000 I was cornering him for a fight out in Orange County somewhere.

00:37:31.000 And Malapet was fighting Wildman Danny in the main event.

00:37:34.000 The King of the Cage?

00:37:35.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:37:37.000 And we're, you know, they're two separate rooms, and in the room next to us, it sounded like someone was shooting a rifle off.

00:37:43.000 Like, literally.

00:37:44.000 I got up, and I turned, and it was Malapet hitting pads.

00:37:47.000 Wow.

00:37:47.000 It was ridiculous.

00:37:49.000 You get hit, it's horrible.

00:37:51.000 Yeah, you got guys like Yoltsin Klai.

00:37:53.000 Yoltsin Klai Fairtex.

00:37:54.000 We're a Fairtex, uh, we're a Fairtex gym affiliate.

00:37:56.000 Yeah, and it's just...

00:37:58.000 Oh my god.

00:37:58.000 The guy that just...

00:37:59.000 He hit Romy with an elbow like five seconds in.

00:38:02.000 Just...

00:38:02.000 And then all of a sudden started smiling and pointing.

00:38:05.000 And then Romy was like fucking turned around and just had this giant...

00:38:07.000 Vagina in the front of your head.

00:38:09.000 Giant face posted on his head.

00:38:10.000 And it was...

00:38:11.000 Yeah.

00:38:11.000 I saw that fight.

00:38:12.000 It was fucking scary.

00:38:14.000 Yeah.

00:38:14.000 He's nasty.

00:38:15.000 He's nasty.

00:38:16.000 Like Super Bon and those little Thai guys.

00:38:17.000 I mean, they want us to go out there, and I'm like, I don't want to go out there.

00:38:22.000 And those guys hardly ever spar.

00:38:24.000 That's interesting.

00:38:25.000 They fight 300 times by the time they're 25. Which is just absolutely incredible.

00:38:30.000 If you've ever been to Thailand, it's really weird.

00:38:32.000 When they have a five-round fight, they don't fight in the first round because they're feeling each other out.

00:38:36.000 They kill each other, rounds two, three, and four, and they don't fight in the fifth round.

00:38:40.000 They carry each other.

00:38:41.000 They carry each other.

00:38:42.000 And I asked my coach this time, I was training in Thailand, I go, why do they do that?

00:38:44.000 And he goes, you fight next week.

00:38:45.000 There's no point.

00:38:46.000 We already know who won, basically, on the cards.

00:38:48.000 So why would you destroy your body?

00:38:50.000 You've got to fight in like a week.

00:38:51.000 Wow.

00:38:52.000 They just don't give a shit.

00:38:52.000 So the fifth round, it's like, all right, I know you won, so let's just carry it.

00:38:55.000 And a lot of gambling stuff.

00:38:56.000 A lot of gambling.

00:38:57.000 That is so interesting that they do that.

00:39:00.000 Do you think that Thai decisions are better?

00:39:02.000 They're better at making decisions?

00:39:04.000 Because that's the big issue in MMA. It's like, don't leave it in the hands of the judges!

00:39:08.000 Which I hate hearing that.

00:39:09.000 Dude, I hate that expression.

00:39:11.000 It's one of my least favorites.

00:39:13.000 We have a shitty judging system that we need to change, but how are we going to change it?

00:39:17.000 There's so many options and people have so many ideas and they all seem okay, but there's always holes in them.

00:39:22.000 Yeah.

00:39:23.000 You get bad decisions in boxing that's been around for 100 years and you have 12 rounds.

00:39:27.000 And you get horrible decisions.

00:39:28.000 Remember that one woman?

00:39:29.000 There was one woman who was a boxing judge.

00:39:32.000 She judged Bradley over Pacquiao.

00:39:35.000 I don't remember her name.

00:39:36.000 She also called the Mayweather...

00:39:37.000 No, it's not her.

00:39:38.000 It's another one.

00:39:39.000 No, the Mayweather...

00:39:41.000 The Mayweather fight, she called it a draw.

00:39:43.000 Mayweather and Canelo.

00:39:44.000 Yeah, and everybody was like, what the fuck?

00:39:46.000 It was so bad that they brought in the Nevada state governor.

00:39:48.000 They kicked her out.

00:39:49.000 Yeah, they kicked her out and they brought in the Nevada state governor.

00:39:51.000 And the real concern amongst people in the know was that she might be getting paid off by gamblers.

00:39:57.000 For sure.

00:39:58.000 We wanted to ensure, like, if you've got a fight where you know a guy's going to win by decision, like Floyd Mayweather versus Canelo, you could safely bet a lot of money knowing that Floyd...

00:40:08.000 I mean, shit can happen, Canelo can win, but most likely you're going to see Floyd box his face off.

00:40:13.000 Most likely, and that is what happened.

00:40:15.000 But if she didn't see it that way, and she makes it a draw, and then it's not a majority decision, or now it's not a unanimous decision, you could bet against it not being a unanimous decision.

00:40:25.000 Vegas will let you bet on anything.

00:40:28.000 And so, okay, Braga versus Hester.

00:40:31.000 And Braga does have one fight in the, or Neto, rather.

00:40:34.000 He does have one fight in the UFC, and he's got a victory.

00:40:38.000 He fought on the Verdeum undercard.

00:40:39.000 Hester's scary looking.

00:40:40.000 Yeah, I've seen Hester fight, and this is his style, that athletic, hands-down kind of explosive style, but he's getting caught by the left a lot.

00:40:49.000 This dude's a beast.

00:40:50.000 They do not look like they're in the same weight class.

00:40:52.000 Yeah, he's enormous.

00:40:54.000 That's cutting that weight, baby.

00:40:56.000 Cutting that weight, it works.

00:41:01.000 I like seeing that our new Bantamweight champ doesn't cut much weight.

00:41:05.000 Doesn't seem like he does.

00:41:06.000 No, I don't think he cuts much weight at all.

00:41:08.000 TJ, I think, at the most cuts a couple of pounds.

00:41:12.000 Yeah, he's a beast.

00:41:13.000 And that's a perfect example of finding the right teacher and the right pupil.

00:41:16.000 Him and Dwayne just fucking gel together.

00:41:20.000 And Dwayne is just a total madman.

00:41:22.000 So Neto, he's a world champion under Gordo.

00:41:29.000 He trains at Evolve MMA in Brazil.

00:41:33.000 Evolve's the rich guy's gym?

00:41:37.000 I do not know.

00:41:38.000 I know that's the one in Singapore, I think.

00:41:40.000 Let's see.

00:41:41.000 I've trained at Evolve in Singapore.

00:41:43.000 When we were out...

00:41:45.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:41:46.000 Sit your dong.

00:41:47.000 Sit the dong, yeah.

00:41:49.000 I love that all these rich dudes are doing that.

00:41:52.000 These crazy guys.

00:41:53.000 Like Dan Lambert from American Top Team and the guy that did it over at Black Zillions.

00:41:59.000 I love that these guys are doing that.

00:42:00.000 And the same thing with Texas, too.

00:42:03.000 Team Takedown.

00:42:04.000 All the wrestlers?

00:42:06.000 Yeah, all those wrestlers.

00:42:07.000 Those motherfuckers, those guys get paid.

00:42:09.000 They get like a salary.

00:42:10.000 You get these rich dudes that find animals, like Johnny Hendricks.

00:42:15.000 They find these fucking animals, give them a world-class facility, hire world-class coaches, guys like Mark Lehman to go out there and teach them jiu-jitsu, great striking coaches and wrestling coaches, and just build world champions, man.

00:42:26.000 They have a weird deal, too, where they give up like 50% of their purse to the gym.

00:42:33.000 The gym pays for everything, gives them a salary, takes care of everything, but then the gym gets a big cut of their winnings.

00:42:39.000 Now, I want to bring up something that...

00:42:42.000 We're in the right...

00:42:43.000 We have the right people to...

00:42:43.000 Look how slick this guy is.

00:42:45.000 Yeah, and he's putting pressure on us, not letting him up.

00:42:47.000 Yeah.

00:42:48.000 That system, that situation, there was a fighter that will remain nameless, and we were like...

00:42:53.000 He had kind of plateaued, and...

00:42:55.000 We said, you know, you should move on, man.

00:42:57.000 I don't think your gym's doing it right for you, you know, just as a friend.

00:43:00.000 And he went, they're paying me a salary that I really can't leave.

00:43:04.000 He was like, I can't afford to walk away.

00:43:06.000 They're paying me too much to leave and find the right gym.

00:43:09.000 And it was interesting.

00:43:10.000 I was like, yeah, man, that system where it's, you know, if you're not fighting for your purse and a guy's paying you a salary, but you're not getting the train you need...

00:43:19.000 Could he keep you somewhere?

00:43:20.000 I think maybe the downside to that kind of system.

00:43:22.000 You're kind of tied to it.

00:43:23.000 Yeah, that could be the downside to that system if the guy's not fully committed to his athletes.

00:43:28.000 I mean, I think that's an all-in sort of a proposition.

00:43:30.000 If you're going to start that kind of a big gym, you've got to be fully committed to your athletes.

00:43:35.000 And you're going to pay for whatever they want.

00:43:37.000 Whatever coach they want.

00:43:38.000 If someone's not good enough, I'm going to say it.

00:43:40.000 If I'm beating up one of my coaches, I'm going to be like, eh.

00:43:43.000 I wonder what happened with Kenny Monday.

00:43:45.000 You know, because he left the Black Zillions.

00:43:48.000 I mean, you can't get a better wrestling coach than that guy.

00:43:51.000 Yeah, they fired him.

00:43:53.000 With this fight, this is the kind of pressure we were talking about, Joe, that you don't see a whole lot in MMA. He's got really good positioning, really good pressure.

00:44:00.000 He looked to the referee.

00:44:01.000 That shit is getting annoying, that looking to the referee.

00:44:04.000 Look, I made him!

00:44:06.000 He's out!

00:44:07.000 He's out!

00:44:07.000 That's my favorite.

00:44:08.000 The guy's in a guillotine, you're saying he's out, and they stop the fight, and he's awake.

00:44:12.000 That's awful.

00:44:13.000 Do you remember that Yoshida-Hoist-Gracy fight where he pretended that Hoist was out?

00:44:17.000 Yep.

00:44:18.000 And Hoyce was fine.

00:44:20.000 Matt Danzig versus...

00:44:21.000 Who got him in a guillotine?

00:44:22.000 Matt Wyman?

00:44:23.000 Oh, that's right.

00:44:24.000 He wasn't out.

00:44:25.000 Let him up.

00:44:25.000 He stood up.

00:44:26.000 That's right.

00:44:27.000 Yep.

00:44:27.000 He wasn't out at all.

00:44:28.000 Yep.

00:44:29.000 I mean...

00:44:30.000 Yeah.

00:44:31.000 But that's easy to tell, though, if you're a grappler.

00:44:34.000 That's easy to tell if a guy's out.

00:44:36.000 That's unexcusable.

00:44:37.000 Yeah, that's an uneducated judge.

00:44:40.000 KOs are weird.

00:44:41.000 Like, earlier today...

00:44:43.000 Uh-oh.

00:44:43.000 No.

00:44:44.000 That was a nice arm trap.

00:44:48.000 I love seeing good jiu-jitsu in MMA. I really do.

00:44:50.000 He's got good fucking heavy hips, man.

00:44:53.000 Johnny Bedford got fucked over earlier today for that.

00:44:55.000 He got nailed with a punch, went down, and he got rocked, but the referee stopped the fight immediately.

00:45:03.000 And he got up like, what the fuck?

00:45:05.000 Screaming and yelling, this is bullshit.

00:45:07.000 Clearly not wobbly.

00:45:09.000 Don't push him.

00:45:10.000 Yeah.

00:45:10.000 Don't touch him!

00:45:11.000 Don't touch the referee!

00:45:12.000 You can yell!

00:45:13.000 Don't push!

00:45:14.000 The reason why we're saying that is fucking Jason High, man.

00:45:17.000 A little baby push.

00:45:18.000 It was nothing.

00:45:19.000 Freaking out that the fight got stopped.

00:45:21.000 He freaks out in the moment, touches the referee, banned for life from the UFC, and suspended for a year, which I disagree with.

00:45:28.000 I think if he hit the referee, that's one thing.

00:45:31.000 Do you think if Ronda Rousey pushed the referee, they would have that same reaction?

00:45:35.000 That's...

00:45:36.000 What if Ronda Rousey lost, okay?

00:45:39.000 What if some crazy shit happened, some Liz Karmouche style, remember when Liz had Ronda's back?

00:45:45.000 What if someone sinks that in and really fucking locks it up and clamps it down and Ronda goes out or Ronda taps?

00:45:50.000 Or the referee thinks that Ronda's going to tap and the referee stops the fight.

00:45:53.000 And then Ronda fucking freaks out and pushes the referee.

00:45:56.000 What would happen?

00:45:58.000 Would it be the same because it's a woman doing it?

00:46:00.000 I mean, Jason and I didn't hurt anybody.

00:46:03.000 It has nothing to do with being a woman.

00:46:05.000 I see the point of basically zero tolerance, don't push, don't touch the referee.

00:46:10.000 I totally do too.

00:46:11.000 But I totally get your point as to if Ronda did that, would they have the same reaction?

00:46:16.000 Fine him.

00:46:17.000 Fine him $1,000.

00:46:19.000 That sounds right to me.

00:46:21.000 They took $1,900 and a year.

00:46:23.000 They took 10%.

00:46:24.000 Well, the 10% is a good amount.

00:46:26.000 That's good.

00:46:28.000 Don't do that.

00:46:29.000 Don't touch the referee.

00:46:30.000 Now you know.

00:46:30.000 The referee fucked up, yes, but it was pretty goddamn close.

00:46:34.000 You got hurt.

00:46:35.000 He got hurt pretty bad.

00:46:36.000 Don't touch the referee.

00:46:37.000 But goddammit, I think Jason High's a good guy.

00:46:42.000 I know him.

00:46:43.000 I've talked to him.

00:46:45.000 I think he's a good guy.

00:46:46.000 I like the way he fights.

00:46:47.000 He's a good fighter.

00:46:48.000 It sucks to me to see a guy like that get banned.

00:46:51.000 But I see it from their point of view.

00:46:53.000 You know, you've got to set a zero-tolerance policy to any shenanigans.

00:46:57.000 That's why, I mean, look at Semtex.

00:47:00.000 Paul Daly is a fucking bad motherfucker.

00:47:03.000 Like, one of the best at 170. One of the most exciting guys to watch.

00:47:06.000 That's for sure.

00:47:07.000 Took a fucking sucker punch at Josh Koscheck, and he's been gone ever since.

00:47:10.000 And Dan Merger picked him up like a toy, dude.

00:47:14.000 Dan Merger.

00:47:15.000 I'll never forget that.

00:47:17.000 You'd pick up a dog that bit you like a pug and went, God damn it, and shook him.

00:47:22.000 I know that feeling.

00:47:23.000 Oh my God.

00:47:24.000 Murgliata's a giant, man.

00:47:26.000 He's a big boy and a very nice guy, too.

00:47:28.000 He's a great guy.

00:47:29.000 Dan Murgliata used to get a hard time from a lot of people because he was one of the original referees for Elite XC. And Elite XC had some dog shit rules.

00:47:38.000 Yeah.

00:47:38.000 They were trying to stand people up after 15 seconds.

00:47:42.000 Like, Jake Shields caught Semtex in Elite XC with an armbar.

00:47:45.000 And it was like, he was running to get that armbar before they stood him up.

00:47:50.000 If you were a grappler in Elite XC, boy, you were in a fucking bad place.

00:47:55.000 Big Country had Andre Orlovsky on the ground, in side control, double wrist lock, working the Kimura, and they stand him up.

00:48:02.000 And you're like, what?

00:48:03.000 I remember that.

00:48:04.000 Fucking side control with a Kimura?

00:48:06.000 Stand him up.

00:48:07.000 Stand him up!

00:48:08.000 That fat fuck.

00:48:09.000 Who was that fucking guy?

00:48:10.000 That promoter?

00:48:10.000 That sloppy, jello-faced motherfucker?

00:48:13.000 Yeah, uh...

00:48:15.000 Whatever.

00:48:16.000 Don't even say his name.

00:48:17.000 He's Candyman.

00:48:19.000 He'll show up.

00:48:20.000 Oh, that fucking gross person.

00:48:22.000 Those guys ruined MMA for a while.

00:48:25.000 And they got on CBS with that shit.

00:48:28.000 It's amazing how far they got with it when you think about it.

00:48:30.000 So far.

00:48:30.000 Idiots.

00:48:32.000 So far.

00:48:33.000 Meanwhile, we're watching an awesome fight.

00:48:35.000 I know.

00:48:37.000 Hester's coming back in the second round.

00:48:39.000 Yeah, they're in the second round, and Braga extended a lot of energy trying to get Hester to the ground and try to submit him, but couldn't submit him.

00:48:45.000 And now Hester stops that takedown super easy.

00:48:49.000 That's a big athletic person.

00:48:51.000 Yeah, man.

00:48:51.000 Look!

00:48:52.000 Look at this!

00:48:53.000 Nice!

00:48:53.000 Mester takes him down.

00:48:54.000 Beautiful!

00:48:55.000 I don't...

00:48:56.000 We'll see how this goes.

00:48:57.000 It seems like probably a bad idea.

00:48:59.000 Look at that deep half, both legs locked up.

00:49:01.000 That's beautiful.

00:49:02.000 And sweep!

00:49:03.000 That's a beautiful sweep.

00:49:04.000 That's nice.

00:49:05.000 Oh my god, I love that.

00:49:07.000 Both legs locked up in the deep half.

00:49:09.000 You're in fucking trouble, man.

00:49:10.000 You gotta explode to get out of that.

00:49:13.000 Look at this.

00:49:13.000 Nettles full mount now.

00:49:16.000 That was gorgeous.

00:49:18.000 I love seeing shit like that.

00:49:19.000 I really do.

00:49:20.000 I don't see enough of it.

00:49:21.000 You don't?

00:49:21.000 I mean, you got, like, Jacare, Damien Maia, this guy.

00:49:25.000 You've got, like, a few world-class guys.

00:49:28.000 Bibiano Fernandez is one of the best, I think.

00:49:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:49:32.000 Few world-class guys.

00:49:36.000 But man, Hester has got to be bummed out.

00:49:39.000 Now he's all gift wrapped.

00:49:40.000 That's a sucky spot.

00:49:41.000 And he's doing that thing where you stick your thumb inside the glove right in front of everybody.

00:49:47.000 You know we can see you, right?

00:49:49.000 He was barely doing it, though, in his defense.

00:49:51.000 But you can use your own gloves.

00:49:55.000 Josh Thompson does that real well.

00:49:57.000 He'll get a rear naked or a guillotine and get his hands deep in his own glove.

00:50:01.000 That's nice.

00:50:02.000 That's a nice grip.

00:50:03.000 I guess you're, at least you used to be, allowed to do that with your gloves, but you can't do it with your opponent's gloves.

00:50:10.000 You can grab your shorts, but you can't grab the other guy's shorts.

00:50:12.000 To protect you, like a Kimura.

00:50:14.000 Guy Mesquitito, he did that for like 20 minutes.

00:50:19.000 For the old school fans.

00:50:21.000 Old school, son.

00:50:23.000 I was there for the original Guy Metzger-Tito fight, where Guy Metzger was getting fucked up, and then they checked him for cuts, they go back in, Tito shoots, and Guy caught him in a guillotine.

00:50:33.000 I had a fight last season where Guy was back-mounted.

00:50:38.000 Threw a headbutt backwards.

00:50:39.000 I saw that shit.

00:50:40.000 Lost a point and they stood him up.

00:50:42.000 Ridiculous.

00:50:43.000 I went, what the fuck is this?

00:50:45.000 Ridiculous.

00:50:46.000 And I was so glad that you did that.

00:50:47.000 Oh my god.

00:50:48.000 I was like, I would headbutt a dude to get out of that.

00:50:50.000 Oh, take a point away.

00:50:51.000 At least I'm not re-naked choked.

00:50:53.000 I'm so happy that you do commentary like that.

00:50:57.000 You call guys out on that.

00:50:58.000 You don't just let that shit go.

00:51:00.000 I love that you do that.

00:51:01.000 Fuck, I can't, man.

00:51:02.000 Well, of course you can't.

00:51:03.000 Look at this.

00:51:03.000 Meanwhile, Neto on top in half guard.

00:51:07.000 Joe Riggs, Matt Hughes in half guard.

00:51:09.000 You can get this.

00:51:10.000 He let it go, though.

00:51:11.000 He decided to let it go.

00:51:11.000 Oh, that was the end of the round.

00:51:12.000 Because he knows how much to commit to it.

00:51:13.000 And a lot of guys don't.

00:51:14.000 Yeah.

00:51:15.000 Because, you know, Kimura from half guard's tough.

00:51:16.000 It's tough.

00:51:17.000 Especially the guy that's got a good half guard.

00:51:18.000 Unless you're like a Matt Hughes type character.

00:51:20.000 One of those big country strong motherfuckers.

00:51:23.000 You know?

00:51:24.000 Matt Hughes could just yank that shit off your body.

00:51:26.000 But it's also a hip thing.

00:51:27.000 You have to have to know how high you have to be up with your hips.

00:51:29.000 And a lot of guys just don't know.

00:51:32.000 It's interesting, the level of jiu-jitsu.

00:51:35.000 But it's also interesting, the level of striking in MMA. The problem with MMA is that there's so much to learn.

00:51:40.000 If you're an athlete and you're getting into MMA, see a lot of these guys maybe in your 30s getting into MMA? God damn, there's a learning curve.

00:51:49.000 There's so much to learn.

00:51:50.000 There's so much to this sport that you're seeing sort of like...

00:51:54.000 You don't see world-class anything in most fighters.

00:51:58.000 You see, they're really good at a couple of things.

00:52:00.000 But when you see a guy who's world-class, like if Artem Levin started fighting in MMA, the big thing would be talking about this guy striking, for sure.

00:52:09.000 Because he's world-class as a kickboxer.

00:52:11.000 And if you compare his striking to most guys in MMA... Outside of the guys who really stand out, you go, well, that's what it really should look like.

00:52:22.000 Yeah.

00:52:22.000 But for every fighter of a particular discipline that goes into MMA with a ton of credentials, who you go, oh, this is a blue chip, this guy's got to do well.

00:52:31.000 I can point out somebody who, same thing, tanked.

00:52:33.000 That's true.

00:52:34.000 You just can't tell anymore.

00:52:35.000 You can't tell.

00:52:36.000 Where guys come in with a background in something, you think, man, this guy's got to be a beast, and it just doesn't work out.

00:52:41.000 You know?

00:52:42.000 And here they are, third round.

00:52:44.000 Hester, um, probably down two rounds.

00:52:47.000 If you, uh, we barely, I mean, we really shouldn't be scoring in here.

00:52:52.000 Because we're not really paying attention to scoring.

00:52:54.000 Oh, nice straight ones.

00:52:54.000 Hester's going after him here.

00:52:56.000 Big shot to the body.

00:52:59.000 And Neto got tagged!

00:53:00.000 Oh, Hester's tagging him!

00:53:02.000 Oh my god!

00:53:04.000 He slipped and wound up on his back!

00:53:07.000 That's so crazy!

00:53:08.000 He was fucking him up!

00:53:10.000 Just what we were talking about!

00:53:11.000 You're athletic, you're physical, you're powerful, but you're on your feet under you, it's not going to help you.

00:53:16.000 Yeah, and all he's doing on the bottom is surviving.

00:53:19.000 I mean, he's not getting up to his feet, he's not escaping, he's not...

00:53:22.000 I mean, he got him down once with that beautiful hip toss, but then what happened?

00:53:27.000 Immediately got swept.

00:53:29.000 That's a beautiful deep half sweep too.

00:53:31.000 I want to see that more often.

00:53:33.000 It's probably pretty tough to get both legs trapped in there like that.

00:53:36.000 It's one of those weird situations like when Benavidez fought Tim Elliott and had both his arms trapped in and he got the guillotine so he had a tap with his feet.

00:53:44.000 That was crazy.

00:53:45.000 Look at this beautiful transition to the mount.

00:53:47.000 Neto's just so slick.

00:53:50.000 That sucks when someone does that to you.

00:53:52.000 Yeah.

00:53:54.000 Yeah, I've never seen that position where both arms are trapped and he's getting guillotined.

00:54:02.000 That was a sick mount.

00:54:04.000 It can happen a lot when guys go underneath both legs for the pass, especially with the gi, with that choke through the front.

00:54:12.000 Cron Gracie does that all the time.

00:54:13.000 That's a pain.

00:54:14.000 The gi is a whole new world.

00:54:15.000 Jeff Glover likes that too.

00:54:16.000 He'll sit back when you try and pass underneath his legs.

00:54:18.000 He'll sit back and guillotine you.

00:54:19.000 He'll hop right over your back.

00:54:21.000 But that's his thing.

00:54:22.000 You don't see a lot in MMA. He's a master.

00:54:25.000 He really is.

00:54:26.000 Glover is a master.

00:54:27.000 My kid's a beast.

00:54:28.000 So good at jiu-jitsu.

00:54:31.000 He's doing something that Mitch Clark just started doing.

00:54:35.000 He'll let you pass into a darse.

00:54:38.000 Glover was one of the first guys I ever saw do that.

00:54:41.000 And now Mitch Clark was the first guy to ever pull that off in the UFC. On Al Iaquinta.

00:54:45.000 Beautiful submission.

00:54:47.000 Let go of And he's passing.

00:54:49.000 As he's passing, he thinks he's getting side control and falls right into a locked up Darce.

00:54:54.000 You've got to have a lot of confidence in your Darce to pull that off, though.

00:54:58.000 Yeah, it's got to be strong.

00:54:59.000 You've got to have long, good, strong eyes.

00:55:02.000 You've got to know that that shit's money.

00:55:05.000 Clint tagged him.

00:55:08.000 Hester had him really badly hurt at the beginning of this round, man.

00:55:12.000 And now he's on top, in the guard.

00:55:14.000 He might be able to finish this fight.

00:55:16.000 If he could tag this dude a few times.

00:55:19.000 I mean, he doesn't seem like he, with that kind of frame, he hasn't gassed.

00:55:22.000 Yeah.

00:55:23.000 Well, he's real cognizant about pacing himself.

00:55:26.000 You know, he actually talked about it recently.

00:55:28.000 There was a time where he was fighting and he was tagging the guy and I was saying he'd probably be best served to back off right now and not gas out because if a guy's still there and you unload on him and so he backed off and then he thanked me after the fight.

00:55:44.000 He's like, that was good advice, man.

00:55:48.000 He's on top and he's fucking netto up.

00:55:51.000 Oh, big elbow.

00:55:52.000 Dave Jansen guillotined a guy one time at M1 because I told him to.

00:55:55.000 I didn't tell him to.

00:55:56.000 I just said, it's a good position for a guillotine.

00:55:58.000 He goes, I heard you.

00:55:59.000 I went for the guillotine and got it.

00:56:01.000 You're welcome.

00:56:01.000 It's a weird thing.

00:56:03.000 Sometimes guys will be right in front of me and I'll say what he's got to do to pass this, what he's got to do to get out, and you'll see the guy doing it.

00:56:10.000 You're kind of coaching them, but you kind of have to.

00:56:12.000 Just because they're in front of you, you still have to say what should be done.

00:56:15.000 You still have to say what should be done.

00:56:17.000 Next time I pick somebody up, I'm going to throw them over by you.

00:56:20.000 Just tell me what to do.

00:56:21.000 I'll help you out if I know.

00:56:24.000 Sometimes I'm baffled.

00:56:26.000 What do you think about having big crazy dreadlocks like that?

00:56:28.000 That would make it harder to get out of shit, wouldn't it?

00:56:30.000 A lot harder.

00:56:31.000 I imagine.

00:56:32.000 I mean, it looks sexy as fuck, Clint.

00:56:34.000 But goddamn, son.

00:56:35.000 You're also blinded, dude.

00:56:36.000 Have you seen your guard moving his head around the whole time?

00:56:38.000 Well, I always thought that about Clay.

00:56:39.000 Shake them dreads!

00:56:40.000 Seriously.

00:56:40.000 Clay can't see shit.

00:56:41.000 Got the predator going on.

00:56:42.000 Yeah.

00:56:43.000 I mean, Guida's got the craziest hair ever.

00:56:46.000 Yeah.

00:56:46.000 Fighting with that hair.

00:56:47.000 And the other thing is, if you get hit, it goes flying through the air.

00:56:50.000 It makes it look like you get hit a lot harder than you did.

00:56:52.000 Ben Henderson's always fucking with his hair every time he fights.

00:56:55.000 He's gotta look good, man.

00:56:56.000 How about the fact that the dude used to fight with a toothpick in his mouth?

00:56:59.000 That is ridiculous.

00:57:00.000 Fought championship-level fights with a fucking toothpick in his mouth.

00:57:05.000 Is he gonna get to take him down?

00:57:07.000 Now, did they officially catch that, or he just stopped in?

00:57:08.000 I caught it.

00:57:09.000 I know they caught it, but did they go, cut that shit out?

00:57:12.000 Yes, they check his mouth now.

00:57:14.000 Okay, good.

00:57:15.000 Yeah, they alerted him in no uncertain terms.

00:57:18.000 Like, bro, you can't do that.

00:57:19.000 You can't have that in your mouth.

00:57:20.000 Crazy fuck.

00:57:21.000 He's so crazy.

00:57:23.000 Guy's fighting world champions.

00:57:24.000 He's got a fucking toothpick in his mouth.

00:57:26.000 I don't know where he was sticking that thing.

00:57:28.000 Probably on the side of his tooth in his mouthpiece.

00:57:30.000 I guess.

00:57:31.000 I think.

00:57:31.000 But it's lower.

00:57:32.000 He's in the lower part of his mouth.

00:57:34.000 Dude, if that goes in your throat, you're done in the middle of a fight?

00:57:37.000 It could, too.

00:57:38.000 Oh, easily.

00:57:39.000 You can get rocked.

00:57:40.000 Everybody gets rocked.

00:57:41.000 Gotta look smooth, man.

00:57:42.000 You know?

00:57:42.000 I mean, so arguably, that was in his face, in his mouth, when he got Showtime kicked.

00:57:47.000 When Anthony Pennis, leaping, kicked him in the face and he went flying, he had a toothpick in his mouth.

00:57:52.000 Shit.

00:57:53.000 I think.

00:57:54.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:57:55.000 I know he did once, man.

00:57:57.000 And the reason why I know he did is because the fight was over.

00:58:00.000 I was watching him, and then all of a sudden I watched him pull a toothpick out of his mouth.

00:58:04.000 I saw the fight being over.

00:58:06.000 The Diaz fight, I believe.

00:58:08.000 Because that's where I remember you talking about it.

00:58:09.000 I believe it was the Diaz fight.

00:58:10.000 I'm not sure, though.

00:58:11.000 But whatever it was, he had a toothpick in his mouth.

00:58:14.000 And I go, where'd you get that?

00:58:16.000 Like, I asked him in the post-fight interview, like, where'd you get that toothpick?

00:58:18.000 Like, you had that toothpick in your mouth?

00:58:20.000 Like, no, no, no.

00:58:20.000 And then I talked to John Crouch about it.

00:58:23.000 He's like, yeah, I can't get him to stop doing that.

00:58:24.000 Like, you can't get him to stop fighting with a fucking toothpick in his mouth?

00:58:28.000 Of all the shit you can get him to do in training, you can't go, don't do this life-threatening shit.

00:58:34.000 You gotta pick your battles.

00:58:35.000 Oh, my God.

00:58:35.000 Dude's in great shape.

00:58:36.000 He doesn't drink, doesn't party.

00:58:37.000 He's an athlete.

00:58:38.000 He's smart.

00:58:38.000 He does everything right.

00:58:40.000 You know, but it comes to that, and now I'm going to fight with a toothpick in my mouth.

00:58:44.000 Oh, God.

00:58:47.000 Fine.

00:58:48.000 Wait, what can you say to him?

00:58:49.000 All right, champ.

00:58:50.000 You got the bell.

00:58:51.000 I guess you can do that.

00:58:52.000 Yeah, fuck, man.

00:58:54.000 How good is goddamn Anthony Pettis?

00:58:56.000 Yeah.

00:58:57.000 Fuck, that guy's good.

00:58:58.000 He's a stud, man.

00:58:59.000 Woo!

00:59:00.000 His kicking is...

00:59:02.000 Duke Rufus was on the podcast last week and he showed me a kickboxing bout or an MMA bout where he got taken down.

00:59:08.000 He got slammed.

00:59:09.000 His shoulder popped out of place.

00:59:11.000 I mean, his shoulder was fucked up.

00:59:12.000 He got stood back up.

00:59:13.000 You could see his shoulder was fucked.

00:59:15.000 He's moving away from the guy.

00:59:16.000 Boom!

00:59:17.000 Lands a high kick.

00:59:18.000 Knocks the guy out with a fucked up shoulder.

00:59:21.000 I mean, his shoulder's like hanging off of his body.

00:59:23.000 And he landed a beautiful, picture-perfect, wraparound left-high kick.

00:59:28.000 Just like he landed on Lozon.

00:59:30.000 What I don't want to see, honestly, what concerns me is ring rust being a huge factor in his career.

00:59:36.000 If injuries just keep him out so much.

00:59:39.000 I hate seeing guys like that that are so talented, but...

00:59:44.000 I don't want to say fragile, but injury prone, however you want to put it, where they don't get that rhythm they need.

00:59:48.000 Wow, Clint Hester got it, man.

00:59:50.000 Clint Hester won.

00:59:52.000 Interesting.

00:59:53.000 Very interesting.

00:59:54.000 I don't think I agree with that, but...

00:59:55.000 Neither does Neto.

00:59:58.000 He looks pretty upset.

01:00:00.000 I thought he took the first two.

01:00:01.000 It looked like the third round he won.

01:00:03.000 I mean, he was beating him up in the third round in the beginning, took him to the ground, he got mounted, but then he got on top, wound up in his guard.

01:00:11.000 I thought Neto won the first two rounds, but I guess not.

01:00:15.000 Yeah, well, who knows?

01:00:16.000 Who knows what the fuck the judges are saying.

01:00:18.000 That was a beautiful takedown, but show the deep half, bitch!

01:00:21.000 That was a beautiful sweep.

01:00:22.000 Show the sweep.

01:00:24.000 It's funny how after fights, they're only showing the guy who won highlights.

01:00:28.000 They make it look like a blowout.

01:00:29.000 I had to talk to the people who cut him.

01:00:31.000 I don't know if you have any input in that.

01:00:33.000 I'll go to the truck and go, guys, you make it look like a blowout.

01:00:36.000 You give me a close fight, and the replays are one dude beating the other dude.

01:00:39.000 I go, stop doing that.

01:00:40.000 The problem with the UFC is they're doing this move of the fight thing.

01:00:44.000 So they're not calling it like a replay.

01:00:46.000 They're calling it the move of the fight.

01:00:48.000 But the fight, like that fight especially, that was a very close fight.

01:00:51.000 It was a good fight.

01:00:53.000 So you've got to show both sides.

01:00:54.000 And when you have something as beautiful as that sweep, show that shit.

01:01:01.000 Michael Peña in the building.

01:01:03.000 He's an actor on End of Watch.

01:01:05.000 Do you know what End of Watch is?

01:01:07.000 Yeah, the movie End of Watch.

01:01:08.000 With Jake Gyllenhaal?

01:01:09.000 Yeah, Jake Gyllenhaal.

01:01:11.000 And Peña, he's funny in everything he does.

01:01:13.000 It's a cop movie, like a serious cop movie.

01:01:16.000 It was like Training Day.

01:01:18.000 It's pretty recent, right?

01:01:19.000 Yeah, a couple years.

01:01:20.000 You know what's going on.

01:01:21.000 There's partners and someone dies or they both die.

01:01:24.000 No gay cowboy stuff?

01:01:25.000 No.

01:01:26.000 Whenever I see Jake Gyllenhaal, I don't know how to say his name.

01:01:29.000 That's where your brain goes, huh?

01:01:30.000 That's where it goes.

01:01:30.000 Like my dad always said, you suck one dick, you're a cocksucker for the rest of your life.

01:01:34.000 I don't think your dad's the only guy who said that.

01:01:36.000 You can build a million bridges in your lifetime and never be a bridge builder.

01:01:40.000 Life lessons.

01:01:41.000 Yeah, there's certain things you want to avoid, and gay cowboy movies are one of them.

01:01:47.000 Both guys recovered pretty well, man.

01:01:50.000 The other one we're making fun of.

01:01:55.000 We can make fun of him all he wants.

01:01:56.000 He's doing alright.

01:01:58.000 Well, I wouldn't say I got tricked into it.

01:01:59.000 My friend's like, hey, you want to go see a movie about gay cowboys?

01:02:01.000 And this is when I was...

01:02:02.000 On drugs.

01:02:03.000 I was about to say, yeah, that sounds hilarious.

01:02:05.000 That sounds so funny.

01:02:06.000 We got there and I'm like, what the fuck?

01:02:08.000 You were looking for like a Will Ferrell movie or some shit?

01:02:10.000 This is a movie about gay cowboys.

01:02:11.000 But I was high, so I watched the whole thing.

01:02:13.000 It was great.

01:02:14.000 I enjoyed that movie tremendously.

01:02:15.000 For all the wrong reasons.

01:02:17.000 It wasn't as good as people made it out to be.

01:02:19.000 It was a comedy to me.

01:02:21.000 I don't know what everybody else saw.

01:02:23.000 Spitting on his hand.

01:02:24.000 Yeah, when he shoved his dick in with one stroke like that, it was like...

01:02:27.000 What?

01:02:28.000 You tell me what's going on here.

01:02:30.000 You can spit on a hand.

01:02:32.000 If anybody's listening to this, they're going to answer this question for me.

01:02:34.000 Because I want to put like, ask a gay dude at some point.

01:02:36.000 Okay?

01:02:37.000 Seriously.

01:02:38.000 This is in all seriousness.

01:02:39.000 They're going to lie to you.

01:02:40.000 I know they're lying to me, but having sex with a chick you just met can be a little awkward.

01:02:45.000 You don't know what she likes.

01:02:46.000 You don't know what you like.

01:02:46.000 It's going to be a little awkward.

01:02:48.000 Dude, we've got to go, so are you?

01:02:50.000 Am I? Are you?

01:02:51.000 Am I? Because I don't...

01:02:52.000 Are you?

01:02:53.000 How do you make that decision in a club in 15 seconds?

01:02:57.000 I'm just curious.

01:02:58.000 It's awkward enough that...

01:02:59.000 Do they fuck every 15 seconds?

01:03:03.000 Yeah, whatever.

01:03:05.000 But to go, like, so are you, cause I don't, are you, or cause, cause in the movie they decide pretty quick.

01:03:11.000 I have friends that are gay that are a couple.

01:03:12.000 Yeah, you gotta ask one and just go, how, dude.

01:03:14.000 It's pretty obvious when you look at it.

01:03:15.000 But if you don't know them, if like, if you just met them and just like, like we have all taken a chick home that we didn't know and just went, oh well.

01:03:22.000 But if it's a dude you have to decide at some point.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, I think that they know.

01:03:27.000 They just know.

01:03:28.000 Yeah, one guy is the wife and one guy is the husband.

01:03:30.000 It's instantly you know as soon as you hit on them.

01:03:32.000 Yes.

01:03:33.000 I swear, man.

01:03:33.000 Yeah, they know.

01:03:34.000 They just instantly know.

01:03:36.000 I've asked a gay friend some questions just about how you just gotta breathe.

01:03:41.000 That's what he said?

01:03:42.000 I imagine.

01:03:44.000 Okay, breathe.

01:03:45.000 Breathe, okay.

01:03:45.000 That's what everybody says about everything.

01:03:47.000 Very sound advice.

01:03:49.000 Cryo chamber?

01:03:49.000 Breathe.

01:03:50.000 Just breathe.

01:03:51.000 Yoga?

01:03:51.000 Just breathe.

01:03:52.000 Yeah, the cryo chamber is supposed to be a motherfucker.

01:03:54.000 I gotta do that.

01:03:55.000 In between rounds?

01:03:56.000 Breathe.

01:03:56.000 You do it every day.

01:03:57.000 Wow!

01:03:57.000 How far away is it from your house?

01:03:59.000 It's in between my strength and conditioning gym and my real gym.

01:04:02.000 Do you do a post-workout or pre?

01:04:05.000 I do it 10 o'clock every day.

01:04:07.000 Sometimes I work out before it, and sometimes I don't work out.

01:04:10.000 I just go straight there.

01:04:11.000 Is there any restrictions?

01:04:12.000 For folks who don't know what the cryo-chamber is, explain what that shit is.

01:04:14.000 More is better than me, so I just do it every day.

01:04:18.000 You get into a little pod, cylinder thing.

01:04:21.000 It opens up.

01:04:22.000 You get in.

01:04:22.000 They raise the floor up so your head's above the top.

01:04:25.000 They pump in liquid nitrogen and liquid nitrogen hits oxygen and turns into a gas.

01:04:30.000 Science class.

01:04:32.000 But it's heavier so it sits in there and it gets down to minus 256 usually Fahrenheit.

01:04:39.000 I set the record out of our place for 263. Oh my god.

01:04:43.000 You wanted more?

01:04:44.000 You wanted it colder?

01:04:45.000 She just does it.

01:04:47.000 So what's between you and...

01:04:48.000 She's like, you can take it.

01:04:49.000 I'm going to try something.

01:04:50.000 And I'm like, what?

01:04:50.000 I'm going to try something on you.

01:04:52.000 250 degrees below zero is not enough.

01:04:54.000 It just isn't quite doing it.

01:04:56.000 So...

01:04:57.000 I recommend it for everybody.

01:04:59.000 It's probably the single best thing I've ever done.

01:05:01.000 Wow!

01:05:01.000 In what way?

01:05:02.000 Recovery.

01:05:03.000 Recovery at least.

01:05:04.000 What does it do that's so awesome?

01:05:07.000 You just feel better.

01:05:09.000 The swelling goes down of everything.

01:05:11.000 Bruising goes away.

01:05:12.000 You get out.

01:05:13.000 And you're only in there for three minutes.

01:05:14.000 I mean, I last three minutes, but most people last a minute or two.

01:05:17.000 Wow.

01:05:19.000 You just gut it out.

01:05:20.000 Yeah, just because there's something wrong.

01:05:22.000 And then once you get it, there's definitely something wrong with you.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, seriously.

01:05:25.000 And then once you get out, it's just like all the blood flushes to your skin.

01:05:29.000 Yeah, a rush of blood, and I want to go, you know...

01:05:31.000 This is a new thing, too, right?

01:05:33.000 They've only been doing it for the last decade or so.

01:05:34.000 It's been in Europe for decades.

01:05:36.000 Oh, really?

01:05:36.000 Everything's been in Europe for so much longer.

01:05:37.000 Yeah, and the U.S. has had it for five years or something like that.

01:05:39.000 Oh, no.

01:05:40.000 I mean, it's pretty awesome, I think, that people...

01:05:44.000 And, you know, I took my daughter to do it.

01:05:45.000 She's two and a half.

01:05:47.000 She's sitting there.

01:05:48.000 She did it?

01:05:49.000 She has juvenile rheumatoid arthritis.

01:05:51.000 Oh, wow.

01:05:53.000 That's what it was built for, was people with RA. Wow.

01:05:57.000 And so I brought her in there, and before I'm like, oh, you know, me and Brittany went in there, and I showed her pictures, and I said, it gets really cold.

01:06:03.000 I said, do you want to get cold?

01:06:04.000 And she's like, no.

01:06:06.000 She looked at me like, are you stupid?

01:06:09.000 And I'm like, okay.

01:06:10.000 And I kind of played it off, and I brought her with me, and then she was in there for maybe 10 seconds.

01:06:13.000 I want to climb out the top, so I can't.

01:06:15.000 Did it help her?

01:06:17.000 She's getting better, you know.

01:06:19.000 She's only done it that one time.

01:06:20.000 I mean, if I wasn't in camp, I would take her more, but...

01:06:22.000 You know, my day is so, you know, scheduled that I don't have time to have a baby with me.

01:06:29.000 Right, yeah.

01:06:30.000 Two and a half years old.

01:06:31.000 I mean, she has a lot of energy, and she's really smart, and everyone says her kids are smart, but she's pretty advanced, and it's hard, man.

01:06:41.000 Yeah, we were talking about diet and things along those lines.

01:06:44.000 You have to be very careful with her diet.

01:06:45.000 She's gluten-free.

01:06:48.000 I still give her some...

01:06:50.000 I mean, she doesn't drink milk, but she'll have dairy through cheese.

01:06:55.000 Red meat a little bit.

01:06:56.000 That's a big reason why I want to get into hunting, because the meat is so nutritious.

01:07:00.000 I have so many friends that hunt.

01:07:01.000 I mean, all my friends that play pro baseball hunt.

01:07:03.000 A lot of my fighter friends hunt.

01:07:06.000 Just friends in general.

01:07:07.000 Yeah, if you're going to get some elk or some moose, it's some of the most nutritious meat you could give anybody.

01:07:12.000 Yeah, my stepdad's a world-renowned hunter and tracker up in Alaska, or used to be in Alaska, and now he's with my mom in Northern California.

01:07:18.000 And he's Jim Harrow, where he's 80 years old and, like, ex-CIA Freemason, practicing dentist still.

01:07:24.000 Just a murderer, animals, people, whatever.

01:07:26.000 I got a polar bear rug.

01:07:27.000 He has one for me.

01:07:28.000 A polar bear rug?

01:07:30.000 And he's fucking huge.

01:07:32.000 By the way, if anybody's freaking out right now, polar bears are not endangered.

01:07:36.000 They're endangered!

01:07:37.000 He's 80 years old, so he killed stuff a long time ago, and he doesn't kill anymore.

01:07:41.000 I'm trying to talk about taking me to Alaska one last time.

01:07:44.000 Have you seen that show, The Hunt?

01:07:46.000 It's a new show that James Hatfield from Metallica is the commentator on.

01:07:53.000 James Hatfield is the commentator, or the narrator, and they go to Kodiak Island with the biggest grizzly bears in the world, the biggest brown bears in the world, and these bears are 10 feet fucking tall, and these guys are hunting these 10 foot tall bears.

01:08:10.000 People are freaking out about Hetfield being a partist.

01:08:14.000 They wanted to remove him from the Glastonbury Music Festival.

01:08:17.000 Everybody's angry.

01:08:18.000 If you love bears, you've got to kill the big boars.

01:08:21.000 Because if you don't kill the big boars, they eat babies.

01:08:23.000 People who don't understand bears who are freaking out about that show, they need to kill bears to keep the population healthy.

01:08:31.000 Otherwise they're going to fuck each other up.

01:08:32.000 You know, the first conservationists were hunters because they were out there in the wilderness going, you know, the livestock's disappearing.

01:08:39.000 They knew.

01:08:40.000 They were out in the wild doing it.

01:08:41.000 Teddy Roosevelt was an avid hunter and started the park system.

01:08:44.000 You know, people don't understand that.

01:08:46.000 There's more deer today than when Columbus landed in America, and that's because of hunters and conservationists.

01:08:51.000 And the money for conservation all comes from hunting licenses.

01:08:55.000 I need to kill them and eat them.

01:08:56.000 Delicious.

01:08:56.000 I'll take you with me.

01:08:57.000 Delicious.

01:08:58.000 We'll go, man.

01:08:58.000 Let's do it.

01:08:58.000 After you get out of camp, I'll bring you, me and Steve Rinella.

01:09:02.000 Rinella and I have been talking about doing that with...

01:09:04.000 I have a man crush on him.

01:09:05.000 I do, too.

01:09:05.000 He's awesome.

01:09:06.000 He's a sweetie.

01:09:08.000 He's...

01:09:09.000 Oh, Hakon Diaz right now is about to fight Ricardo the Bully Lamas in a really interesting fight.

01:09:16.000 Diaz is a bad motherfucker on the ground.

01:09:20.000 Marlon Sandro right there.

01:09:21.000 Excellent Bellator fighter.

01:09:23.000 And that's known as Bellator.

01:09:25.000 Soon to be Spike MMA, if they're smart.

01:09:27.000 We will see.

01:09:28.000 Just call it MMA. Change is coming.

01:09:30.000 Boxing.

01:09:30.000 I mean, boxing doesn't have...

01:09:31.000 The Battlers.

01:09:33.000 It's the Battlers boxing series.

01:09:35.000 What is it?

01:09:35.000 It's boxing.

01:09:36.000 Just call it fucking boxing.

01:09:38.000 You know?

01:09:39.000 Good point.

01:09:41.000 Touche.

01:09:41.000 Well played.

01:09:42.000 It's mixed martial arts.

01:09:43.000 Everybody knows what it is.

01:09:45.000 Alright, here's the guy.

01:09:45.000 That's the same referee earlier that...

01:09:47.000 Gary Hatley.

01:09:48.000 That fucked up.

01:09:51.000 He was the guy who called it.

01:09:54.000 Hey.

01:09:55.000 Alright, Ricardo Lamas is just about to fight.

01:09:58.000 And if you're syncing this up at home, we'll give you the clock.

01:10:02.000 It starts now.

01:10:03.000 Okay, they just touched gloves just now.

01:10:05.000 Alright, here we go.

01:10:06.000 And Lamas just removed from his fight with Jose Aldo where he was winning the fifth round.

01:10:10.000 Had Aldo down.

01:10:12.000 Guess who moves just like Aldo?

01:10:14.000 Akron Diaz.

01:10:15.000 Same build.

01:10:16.000 Yeah.

01:10:17.000 Real similar.

01:10:19.000 Diaz, great submission guy.

01:10:21.000 Nine career submissions, I think, if I remember it correctly.

01:10:23.000 Very good on the ground, and also a lot like Aldo.

01:10:28.000 He's very competent standing up.

01:10:30.000 Not quite as good, but still very competent.

01:10:34.000 He's no joke.

01:10:35.000 There's no picnic standing up with this guy.

01:10:38.000 Nice overhand right.

01:10:39.000 Aldo's got one of the best left hook right leg kicks in the business.

01:10:43.000 They yell it out, do the dutchy, do the dutchy, and he throws that Holland combination, man.

01:10:49.000 That left hook to the body, right leg kick.

01:10:52.000 Oh man, I remember when he came out to, uh, I'm gonna run this time of night.

01:10:56.000 When he fought Faber?

01:10:57.000 In Sacramento, and I was just like, oh, you're awesome.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, that was one of the nastiest leg kick demonstrations I've ever seen.

01:11:06.000 Oh my god, that was brutal.

01:11:06.000 It was horrific.

01:11:07.000 And seeing his legs on Instagram after the fight, where Uriah kept taking pictures of his leg, and it was blown up to literally twice the size.

01:11:15.000 I saw him a month later and it was still not good.

01:11:17.000 I was like, bro, you alright?

01:11:19.000 Randy Couture told me that it took him six months to recover from the Pedro Hizzo fight.

01:11:23.000 That's what was so hard to talk to him into that second fight.

01:11:27.000 In the first fight, most people who watched thought that Pedro won.

01:11:30.000 I thought he did.

01:11:31.000 Yeah, a lot of people thought he did.

01:11:32.000 This is old school.

01:11:34.000 And then Randy came back and beat the fuck out of Pedro Hizzo in the second fight, thinking about those leg kicks.

01:11:39.000 He's like, not today, son.

01:11:41.000 Hizzo had a tendency to start slow in that costume.

01:11:43.000 You see those guys like him and the yurts kick a bag.

01:11:47.000 I used to go over to Marco's a little bit, Huas, and seeing those giant people kick bags and stuff, oh my god.

01:11:55.000 Oh my god.

01:11:56.000 I've never seen anybody kick anything harder than I've seen Pedro Hezzo kick people.

01:12:00.000 He kicked Rico Rodriguez once in their fight.

01:12:03.000 They had the most boring fight ever in the UFC. Yeah, it was awful.

01:12:05.000 He kicked him once.

01:12:06.000 So whack!

01:12:07.000 And Rico was like, oh, fuck all this.

01:12:09.000 Fuck this shit.

01:12:10.000 Fuck all this.

01:12:11.000 I don't think anything but a body shot and a leg kick.

01:12:14.000 I've seen fighters go, fuck this, I'm out.

01:12:16.000 I mean, just mentally check out completely of a fight.

01:12:18.000 From those two things.

01:12:19.000 Rico was in full defense mode from then on.

01:12:23.000 And just said, you know what?

01:12:24.000 No one's knocking me the fuck out.

01:12:26.000 You're not breaking my leg.

01:12:27.000 So let's just do what we gotta do here.

01:12:30.000 And I'll collect my last Zufa paycheck.

01:12:33.000 He made the agreement.

01:12:34.000 I won't try to win.

01:12:35.000 You don't try to hurt me.

01:12:36.000 And you can see when a fighter does that.

01:12:38.000 I won't try and beat you if you will let me have my legs.

01:12:43.000 There is an agreement that goes on sometimes.

01:12:45.000 And you see it in their eyes, man.

01:12:46.000 We see it all the time.

01:12:48.000 I will stop fighting if you won't hurt me.

01:12:50.000 It's a fascinating moment when you see a guy break.

01:12:53.000 And sometimes guys will break and then rebound and come back.

01:12:57.000 And break and rebound and come back.

01:12:59.000 That's where things get really interesting.

01:13:01.000 The worst I think I've ever seen in between rounds was Dan Hornbuckle against Ben Askren.

01:13:08.000 Dan sat in that corner and he was at a black belt in intensity and everyone knew how good Dan Hornbuckle was and he came back to that and sat in his corner with his head down and just didn't look like the same dude after one round of getting tossed around.

01:13:21.000 He just knew he was never going to catch up.

01:13:23.000 When you lock up with a guy like Askren and you get tossed...

01:13:26.000 All over the place.

01:13:27.000 And every time you're trying to counter what he's doing, he's already countering your counter.

01:13:30.000 He's one step ahead of you every time.

01:13:33.000 And holding you down the whole time.

01:13:34.000 Manhandling you.

01:13:35.000 And, by the way, he looks like he smokes pot all day and eats Cheetos.

01:13:39.000 Dude.

01:13:41.000 This guy works at the 7-Eleven, bro, and he's kicking my ass.

01:13:44.000 Just kicking world-class athlete's asses.

01:13:46.000 He doesn't look like Kevin Randleman.

01:13:48.000 If he looked like Tyron Woodley, you would understand it.

01:13:51.000 Like, I can't fuck with this guy.

01:13:53.000 But no, he looks like a silly stoner and he's just ragged off.

01:13:57.000 Fedor had a little of that.

01:13:58.000 You're like, bro, you do not look like you fight.

01:14:00.000 But people forget, man.

01:14:02.000 The early days, Fedor was big.

01:14:04.000 Yeah, he was big.

01:14:05.000 When he was doing a lot of weightlifting.

01:14:07.000 Remember that picture of him standing around with a bunch of kettlebells?

01:14:10.000 He's fucking big.

01:14:11.000 And he's got some body fat on him.

01:14:12.000 He always had body fat on him.

01:14:13.000 But he was fucking big.

01:14:15.000 I went back and watched the Fujita fight again the other day.

01:14:18.000 He was big.

01:14:20.000 He was way bigger than he was when he fought Dan Henderson.

01:14:23.000 By the time he fought Dan Henderson, he kind of already checked out.

01:14:27.000 He was no longer at no more weights.

01:14:29.000 Oh, nice left hook.

01:14:30.000 Akron Diaz and Ricardo Lamas are going out of here.

01:14:34.000 Diaz keeps landing that overhand right.

01:14:40.000 That is a fight.

01:14:41.000 A punch, really.

01:14:42.000 Kind of funny.

01:14:43.000 That big loopy overhand you almost never see in boxing.

01:14:46.000 You see it constantly in MMA. Yeah, because of those little gloves.

01:14:48.000 Constantly.

01:14:49.000 Little gloves.

01:14:49.000 It can fit.

01:14:50.000 It always lands.

01:14:50.000 It's so interesting when you watch the differences in the way guys cover up, like in Glory or in K1, where so many guys do that classic Dutch, hold their hands up high, guard, up to the eyebrows.

01:15:03.000 Ooh, hard leg kick at the bell.

01:15:05.000 Nice.

01:15:05.000 Diaz is...

01:15:06.000 This is a tough fight for Ricardo Lamas.

01:15:09.000 Because Lamas is coming off a title fight.

01:15:10.000 Would love to prove that he's still a top guy.

01:15:12.000 Not a lot to gain in this fight.

01:15:14.000 Because Jaquan Diaz is not a big name.

01:15:16.000 But he's a bad motherfucker.

01:15:19.000 Diaz also, Novignon, same team.

01:15:21.000 Don't think they didn't talk about it.

01:15:22.000 Here's what I did.

01:15:23.000 Oh, of course.

01:15:24.000 This is how you beat this guy.

01:15:26.000 Yeah.

01:15:26.000 Interesting that they all move the same, too.

01:15:28.000 Yeah.

01:15:30.000 Like, you know, you see that in Burrell, too.

01:15:32.000 Very similar in their movements.

01:15:34.000 It's the defensive, like, the way they, I mean, they let loose a little different, but it's like the defense is always the same.

01:15:40.000 Just very tight and pretty.

01:15:44.000 That's why I was so amazed at TJ Dillashaw.

01:15:46.000 So amazed.

01:15:47.000 I've never seen a guy rise to the moment like that good.

01:15:50.000 That was incredible.

01:15:51.000 That was incredible.

01:15:52.000 It was one of the, like, I thought, well, he's going to make a good fight out of it.

01:15:56.000 It's really interesting.

01:15:57.000 Maybe he can win.

01:15:58.000 Who knows?

01:15:58.000 Who knows what's going to happen?

01:15:59.000 But you're dealing with a guy in Hennenborough who's undefeated for nine years, 30 fucking fights without a loss.

01:16:06.000 And meanwhile, TJ just ran him over.

01:16:08.000 Yeah.

01:16:09.000 Ran him over.

01:16:10.000 After that, when he dropped him, that was just...

01:16:12.000 He was out.

01:16:13.000 He went back in the corner.

01:16:14.000 He had no idea what was going on.

01:16:15.000 When he was going into the fourth round, he asked him if he was winning the fight.

01:16:18.000 He had no idea what was going on.

01:16:20.000 That is one of the scariest things to see, not just in MMA, but in football or whatever.

01:16:26.000 If...

01:16:27.000 When you see someone's brain just get rewired and you go, they're asking where they are, they're asking what round it is, they just don't know what's going on.

01:16:35.000 That happens quickly.

01:16:39.000 I've had people ask me, what happened in the fight?

01:16:42.000 They fought five rounds and they're going, what happened?

01:16:44.000 You know what's scarier than that?

01:16:46.000 That's scary to look at.

01:16:46.000 That's scary, but that's post-fight.

01:16:48.000 What's scarier than that is a dude who's not even fighting who tells you the same story three times in ten minutes.

01:16:54.000 And you go, oh no.

01:16:56.000 Oh no.

01:16:57.000 Like, I used to know you before you used to do this.

01:17:00.000 And now you're doing this.

01:17:01.000 Now you don't remember saying what you just said five minutes ago.

01:17:04.000 You're saying it again.

01:17:06.000 So Ricardo Lama says Diaz is back here.

01:17:08.000 That's kind of interesting.

01:17:09.000 And he's...

01:17:10.000 He's trying to take him down.

01:17:11.000 Wow, bold Ricardo Lamas.

01:17:13.000 Trying to prove a point.

01:17:14.000 Good knees, though.

01:17:15.000 He's landing some good knees.

01:17:16.000 He's a good wrestler, Lamas.

01:17:17.000 Yeah, he is.

01:17:18.000 He's a fucking great ground-and-pound guy, man.

01:17:20.000 His ground-and-pound is nasty, but this position, you're in a tricky spot here.

01:17:25.000 The other way to look at it, though, is he's not liking what he's seeing on the feet.

01:17:28.000 Exactly.

01:17:28.000 He had a lot of those right hands.

01:17:29.000 That leg kick at the bell, that was a hard leg kick.

01:17:32.000 Yeah, that was a good one.

01:17:32.000 Spun him around.

01:17:35.000 When a guy does something different, you also go, well, what motivated him to do that?

01:17:38.000 If we were going great on the feet, he wouldn't be doing that.

01:17:40.000 Yep, very good point.

01:17:41.000 And then gets away.

01:17:43.000 So Diaz gets away.

01:17:45.000 Without a doubt, he's looking for that kick.

01:17:49.000 It's interesting, too, because the big kick of Aldo was something that Lamas really worried about going into that fight.

01:17:56.000 Or I shouldn't say worried.

01:17:57.000 He knew that it was a...

01:17:58.000 There was another one right there.

01:17:59.000 He knew it was coming.

01:17:59.000 He knew it was coming, but did a really good job in defending him.

01:18:03.000 He was fine in the fifth round.

01:18:05.000 Obviously, he got tagged a bunch of times, but you saw no noticeable limping.

01:18:09.000 He wasn't noticeably diminished because of it.

01:18:12.000 Yeah.

01:18:14.000 But here he's just taking a few in this first round and in the second he doesn't want none of those leg kicks.

01:18:20.000 What's funny is, we were talking a little bit about cornering, and if a guy's getting kicked in the leg, and the corner goes, check the kicks.

01:18:29.000 Checking, if you haven't trained it, it doesn't come fucking naturally.

01:18:32.000 You don't learn how to check in the middle of a fight.

01:18:34.000 People ask me, oh, should he start checking those kicks?

01:18:37.000 I'm like, if he hasn't been doing it in training, it's not going to work now.

01:18:40.000 It's really counterintuitive to turn your shin toward a guy who's kicking you.

01:18:44.000 It's never going to happen.

01:18:45.000 You're going to think about it, and it'll be too late.

01:18:47.000 It'll be too late, man.

01:18:48.000 It's very tough to do.

01:18:49.000 It's like slip the punches.

01:18:50.000 If you don't know how to slip the punches...

01:18:51.000 If you haven't been slipping the punches...

01:18:53.000 It's not like keep your hands up.

01:18:55.000 Like anybody...

01:18:56.000 Oh!

01:18:57.000 He tagged him!

01:18:57.000 Oh!

01:18:58.000 Vicious left hook, too!

01:18:59.000 Goddamn Llamas.

01:19:00.000 Oh, man!

01:19:01.000 Llamas is still in it!

01:19:02.000 Llamas is an animal.

01:19:03.000 That was a nice combination.

01:19:05.000 Yeah, he was in trouble there.

01:19:06.000 The kid has tremendous resolve.

01:19:09.000 Tremendous mental resolve.

01:19:12.000 Look at this.

01:19:13.000 Beautiful takedown.

01:19:16.000 And Diaz is a little tired.

01:19:17.000 Takes a big deep breath right there.

01:19:18.000 Thinking about that.

01:19:19.000 That can be a little disheartening.

01:19:21.000 Hitting somebody with a punch like that and they come right back at you.

01:19:23.000 That sucks.

01:19:24.000 Three.

01:19:24.000 Three clean ones.

01:19:25.000 Three clean ones.

01:19:32.000 Do you think there's too many fighters in MMA right now for the amount of fights that are available?

01:19:37.000 Too many fighters?

01:19:38.000 Too many.

01:19:38.000 You know, people are talking about the UFC has 500 fighters.

01:19:41.000 I don't know how many Bellator has, but they just cut...

01:19:43.000 They just cut a bunch.

01:19:44.000 Yeah, they cut a bunch.

01:19:46.000 100. They cut a bunch.

01:19:47.000 100 fighters.

01:19:48.000 Holy shit, I didn't know that.

01:19:49.000 I thought it was like 19 or 20. No.

01:19:51.000 Scott Coker just cleaned shop.

01:19:53.000 Scott's a...

01:19:54.000 I think Scott's going to run that shit.

01:19:55.000 Very smart guy.

01:19:56.000 Very different.

01:19:56.000 Very good guy.

01:19:57.000 A lot of changes.

01:19:58.000 Really universally liked.

01:20:00.000 Yeah.

01:20:00.000 Which is hard.

01:20:01.000 Unheard of in the fight world.

01:20:03.000 Hard.

01:20:03.000 Unheard of in the fight world.

01:20:04.000 Can you say universally liked with Dana White?

01:20:07.000 I like Dana.

01:20:09.000 I like him a lot.

01:20:09.000 He's one of my good friends.

01:20:11.000 I love the guy.

01:20:12.000 But shit.

01:20:14.000 I mean, you can go on the Underground any day.

01:20:16.000 Well, you can find threads about anybody.

01:20:18.000 Yeah.

01:20:18.000 Any hate threads on the Underground.

01:20:20.000 Yeah.

01:20:23.000 I get hit mail all the time.

01:20:25.000 A lot of love.

01:20:27.000 I love the underground.

01:20:28.000 People got upset with me this week because I was saying there's too many douchebags online and I've been avoiding going to forums.

01:20:36.000 I get a lot out of the underground.

01:20:38.000 It's just like the douchebags want to stay douchebags.

01:20:41.000 They just want to stay assholes.

01:20:43.000 And all I'm saying is, if you had a guy over your party and he was talking to people like that, wouldn't you want him to be gone?

01:20:48.000 That's what an online forum is.

01:20:50.000 It's a party.

01:20:51.000 And they want it to be open to anybody, and they don't want any repercussions of their douchiness.

01:20:57.000 They don't want to take responsibility for the way people react to the way they behave.

01:21:00.000 Ricardo Lamas coming back at Diaz here.

01:21:03.000 Man.

01:21:05.000 Lamas is a tough motherfucker, man.

01:21:06.000 Those good combinations, man.

01:21:07.000 He's recovered from those shots.

01:21:08.000 Oh, Diaz cracked him again, though.

01:21:10.000 He's moving his feet now.

01:21:11.000 He's actually doing angles.

01:21:16.000 Two rounds in.

01:21:17.000 Exciting fight.

01:21:18.000 But, you know, forums are great, man.

01:21:20.000 I get a lot out of the underground.

01:21:22.000 I get a lot out of the discussion.

01:21:23.000 It's just like sometimes you'll chop on there and you'll just run into a wave of cunts.

01:21:28.000 Just a one wave will hit you.

01:21:31.000 Some guys just check out.

01:21:33.000 They're like, alright, I'm done with this place.

01:21:34.000 I tried to say that.

01:21:36.000 Like, you guys ran off almost all the fighters.

01:21:39.000 There's very few guys still post there anymore.

01:21:41.000 And people get upset.

01:21:42.000 Oh, fucking we make those guys.

01:21:43.000 They just don't want to hear the truth.

01:21:45.000 No, no, no.

01:21:46.000 You're just a cunt.

01:21:46.000 You're being a dick.

01:21:48.000 You're saying something.

01:21:50.000 You're talking to a guy like Brian Stan or anybody.

01:21:53.000 You're talking in a way online that you would never talk to them if they're standing in front of you.

01:21:57.000 Oh, fuck no.

01:22:00.000 Or you'd have to be a complete sociopath.

01:22:02.000 What if you were bigger than them and you talked to them like that?

01:22:05.000 Why would you talk to someone like that?

01:22:06.000 You don't even know the guy personally.

01:22:09.000 You don't have a relationship with him.

01:22:10.000 You might think you know him.

01:22:12.000 If you want to be critical of his technique or his performance, there's a way to do it respectfully.

01:22:17.000 You could even be funny.

01:22:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:22:18.000 If you're going to make it funny, then cool.

01:22:21.000 Have fun and at least if you're going to be a dick, be funny and make me laugh.

01:22:25.000 Look, I don't like a lot of those mean photoshops, but some of them are fucking hilarious.

01:22:31.000 Dudes that are KO'd and it says some fucked up shit.

01:22:34.000 There were some really funny ones that people did about Rashad Evans.

01:22:37.000 I like Rashad a lot, but the Cheetah fight...

01:22:39.000 They were pretty funny.

01:22:40.000 They were funny!

01:22:41.000 You know, and that's where you could see an argument.

01:22:44.000 You could say, well, you know, like, I've seen a lot of photoshops of me, and very disrespectful, but I think they're hilarious, and I don't want to stop them at all.

01:22:54.000 I've seen photoshops of me, surrounded by dicks, you know, with a little tiny woman's body, wearing girls' underwear.

01:23:01.000 I've seen everything, and I never have a problem with it.

01:23:03.000 I think it's funny.

01:23:04.000 As long as it's funny, fucking keep it coming.

01:23:06.000 Ian has photos of dicks that are in Photoshop.

01:23:08.000 I've seen myself surrounded by dicks.

01:23:12.000 It's weird.

01:23:13.000 It's just Tuesday, you know?

01:23:16.000 Ricardo's on Diaz again on his back.

01:23:18.000 Welcome to early MMA, right?

01:23:19.000 Seriously.

01:23:20.000 I get a lot of criticism, though.

01:23:22.000 I really do.

01:23:22.000 I get a lot out of...

01:23:24.000 Just even if I don't agree with them being hypercritical, you see a point of view.

01:23:29.000 You know, you see their point of view.

01:23:31.000 And maybe you see how...

01:23:32.000 Got his back.

01:23:33.000 Oh yeah, look at this.

01:23:34.000 Lamas has his back.

01:23:35.000 This is incredible.

01:23:36.000 He's got a full rear naked choke.

01:23:39.000 We can't see how deep it is from here, but...

01:23:41.000 Look at this.

01:23:41.000 He's trying to go palm to palm.

01:23:42.000 Oh, he might have it.

01:23:43.000 He is on his fucking chin.

01:23:46.000 Oh!

01:23:46.000 Lost it.

01:23:47.000 He did what Ronda Rousey did with Liz Garmouche.

01:23:49.000 He let go of the defense of the neck just to get rid of the hooks.

01:23:53.000 And then threw him off.

01:23:55.000 Wow.

01:23:56.000 Strong confidence in his neck.

01:23:57.000 The number one thing I get is that I'm trying to be you.

01:23:59.000 It's the number one criticism.

01:24:01.000 The number one asshole thing I get is that I'm trying to be Joe Rogan.

01:24:04.000 You know what?

01:24:04.000 What they don't know is you had your head shaved years before I shaved my head.

01:24:08.000 Years before you did!

01:24:09.000 I totally copied you.

01:24:10.000 Fucking since high school.

01:24:11.000 And I'm like, ah!

01:24:12.000 You know, true story, my mom...

01:24:14.000 Look at this, Lamas has a fucking guillotine now!

01:24:16.000 I don't think he's going to get it from there.

01:24:18.000 Oh man, it's amazing though that he's the one who's threatening with chokes.

01:24:20.000 He's had two real close submissions, whereas Diaz hadn't had shit on him.

01:24:25.000 Is he black belted?

01:24:26.000 Hawkron?

01:24:27.000 Or Ricardo?

01:24:28.000 I don't know.

01:24:28.000 Is he?

01:24:29.000 I don't know.

01:24:29.000 Hawkron is.

01:24:30.000 Yeah, Hawkron is a big black pop.

01:24:32.000 But their criticism is ridiculous.

01:24:34.000 You just get excited like I do.

01:24:36.000 Everybody who sees somebody hit goes, oh!

01:24:39.000 That's what you do.

01:24:40.000 It's funny, man.

01:24:42.000 My mom once got us mixed up.

01:24:43.000 I'm not kidding.

01:24:44.000 I was literally watching the UFC at my mother's house.

01:24:50.000 She was making dinner.

01:24:51.000 She's a phenomenal cook.

01:24:52.000 I went over there.

01:24:52.000 She's making dinner.

01:24:53.000 I'm watching the UFC. And she comes in the living room.

01:24:56.000 She goes...

01:24:57.000 Oh, it's one of your fights.

01:24:58.000 I go, no, mom, that's Joe Rogan.

01:25:00.000 She goes, oh, he looks like you.

01:25:02.000 And I go, yes, mom.

01:25:03.000 Thanks.

01:25:04.000 My fucking mom got us mixed up.

01:25:07.000 Oh, that is fucking hilarious.

01:25:07.000 It was funny.

01:25:09.000 I was laughing.

01:25:09.000 It's funny.

01:25:10.000 That's hilarious.

01:25:11.000 You guys are just, I mean, I'm, well.

01:25:12.000 We're, you know, white guys with no hair.

01:25:13.000 No tattoos, you know.

01:25:15.000 White guys with no hair.

01:25:17.000 White guys with no hair.

01:25:18.000 Who yell a lot.

01:25:19.000 Yeah.

01:25:20.000 Seriously.

01:25:20.000 Why are you all yelling?

01:25:21.000 We do yell a lot.

01:25:22.000 Part of our job.

01:25:23.000 At least it's entertaining.

01:25:24.000 And that's another thing about you and I that I really enjoy the fact that we're very friendly.

01:25:29.000 We like each other.

01:25:30.000 We're friends.

01:25:31.000 And we're supposed to be like competitors.

01:25:33.000 We're supposed to be enemies.

01:25:34.000 We're supposed to hate one another, I guess.

01:25:35.000 Which is ridiculous.

01:25:35.000 I tried to get the UFC to hire him.

01:25:37.000 I totally did.

01:25:39.000 I really did.

01:25:39.000 When I told Dana White, I had a conversation with him.

01:25:41.000 I said, the guy's awesome.

01:25:43.000 I go, I think he's the best guy out there.

01:25:44.000 I go, I really think he's really good.

01:25:46.000 I go, the UFC should hire him.

01:25:48.000 I go, I don't know when his contract's up, but you guys should find out.

01:25:51.000 So they looked in.

01:25:52.000 They found out when his contract was up.

01:25:53.000 And then they even started trying to get him.

01:25:55.000 But then Viacom, there's a lot of money being involved.

01:25:58.000 Lawyers, lawsuits threatened.

01:26:00.000 Did you get paid more?

01:26:01.000 The attorneys scare me.

01:26:03.000 Really scare me.

01:26:04.000 The Eddie Alvarez.

01:26:05.000 Oh, look at this.

01:26:05.000 Look at this.

01:26:06.000 Look at this!

01:26:07.000 He's in fucking side control!

01:26:09.000 La Hama's on top of Hocker and Diaz in side control.

01:26:14.000 Incredible.

01:26:15.000 Incredible performance on the ground by Lamas.

01:26:17.000 Can't keep it.

01:26:17.000 Ooh, lost the over-under.

01:26:19.000 Oh, when he gets tagged by a right.

01:26:20.000 Hawk Run-D is embarrassed right now.

01:26:22.000 Must be embarrassed.

01:26:24.000 And look at this.

01:26:24.000 Lamas on top of him.

01:26:25.000 Good cardio by Lamas, huh?

01:26:27.000 He's coming back strong.

01:26:28.000 Nice kick to the body.

01:26:29.000 He's just aggressive the whole time.

01:26:30.000 But yeah, I really wanted the UFC to hire Jimmy.

01:26:33.000 You know, if I did even less events, I don't know.

01:26:37.000 I like watching at home.

01:26:38.000 I'm happy with that.

01:26:41.000 But there's so many events that they're doing now, they're doing two a day.

01:26:44.000 A lot.

01:26:44.000 There's two of them happened today.

01:26:45.000 One of them was in New Zealand, and this one here is happening in San Antonio.

01:26:48.000 Two different teams.

01:26:49.000 You know, they had Anik and Florian are doing this one.

01:26:53.000 Or Anik and Stan.

01:26:54.000 Anik and Stan.

01:26:55.000 Florian and Goldie got shipped off to New Zealand.

01:27:00.000 For Fight Pass.

01:27:02.000 Marquardt looked fucking great.

01:27:05.000 Mark Clark looked really good.

01:27:06.000 That was a nasty arm bar.

01:27:07.000 Now he's had TRT issues.

01:27:09.000 Did those get cleared up or no?

01:27:10.000 Hmm, we're gonna find out someday.

01:27:12.000 I guess we're gonna find out soon, huh?

01:27:14.000 We never know.

01:27:15.000 I'm taking about a couple hours.

01:27:17.000 It is...

01:27:18.000 I told somebody a couple days ago, there was an old lady who swallowed a fly.

01:27:22.000 Do you remember that poem?

01:27:23.000 Yes.

01:27:24.000 She swallowed a spider to catch a fly.

01:27:25.000 She swallowed a bird to swallow the spider.

01:27:28.000 Once you start doing...

01:27:29.000 Oh, I was on this because I was on TRT because I did this.

01:27:31.000 I was getting bitches.

01:27:32.000 I had to take this.

01:27:32.000 So it's just an endless stream when you start messing with that, man.

01:27:36.000 It's an endless stream of shit.

01:27:38.000 Yeah, and that's where Chael was in.

01:27:39.000 So it's out on Bloody Elbow, so we can talk about it, right?

01:27:42.000 Yes, we can.

01:27:44.000 Because Chael, he's in a situation now where he got popped for a bunch of different shit.

01:27:53.000 We're good to go.

01:28:11.000 And the things that he tested positive for from the Nevada State Athletic Commission were in those groups, the groups of estrogen inhibitors that they used to try to boost your testosterone.

01:28:22.000 But the UFC, they went through the most comprehensive drug testing that they could possibly get, this thing that cost $45,000 per fighter.

01:28:34.000 And the guy shows up, takes the blood, leaves in a suitcase.

01:28:38.000 They have a chain of custody of the blood, flies with it on a plane, like he's fucking handcuffed to it, like the nuclear button.

01:28:45.000 Nuclear codes.

01:28:46.000 Yeah, and they did this to Chael, and he tested positive for HGH and EPO. Which are not...

01:28:53.000 Part of that group.

01:28:55.000 No.

01:28:55.000 For post-testosterone therapy.

01:28:57.000 So he had HGH, he had EPO, and then he had clomiphene and anastrazol.

01:29:07.000 So apparently, what I think it is, is he was just trying to do something to jack up his system.

01:29:14.000 Get the fucking fires burning.

01:29:17.000 But how many guys are on HGH? A ton.

01:29:20.000 Is it 90%?

01:29:21.000 What is it?

01:29:21.000 Is it 60%?

01:29:23.000 What's the number?

01:29:24.000 You know?

01:29:25.000 It's a lot.

01:29:26.000 A lot of guys are on HGH. Why?

01:29:29.000 Drumroll.

01:29:31.000 Because it works.

01:29:33.000 It works.

01:29:36.000 Yeah.

01:29:36.000 There's a lot of stuff that works.

01:29:38.000 And for years it wasn't testable.

01:29:40.000 Now, they have developed that test, but it being that expensive, they can't use it on everybody if it's 45 grand a pop.

01:29:47.000 They're going to use it on everybody.

01:29:48.000 Really?

01:29:50.000 It's a huge test for everybody.

01:29:51.000 I think any time they get...

01:29:52.000 Ricardo Lamas!

01:29:53.000 Ricardo Lamas, I think he deserved it.

01:29:55.000 Fuck yeah.

01:29:56.000 He took that fight.

01:29:57.000 He did.

01:29:57.000 I'm just amazed that he got his back like that.

01:30:00.000 I'm amazed that he...

01:30:01.000 I'm more impressed he got his bell rung and kept coming.

01:30:04.000 He took some nasty fucking punches.

01:30:05.000 That one, two, three combination that he got hit with and then immediately secured that clinch.

01:30:10.000 He's a real fighter, man.

01:30:11.000 MMA Masters, by the way, the coach behind him, MMA Masters, they're a team out of South Florida.

01:30:16.000 We were wondering about that before his team and everything's out of South Florida.

01:30:19.000 That's where he's at now.

01:30:20.000 He's a Chicago guy.

01:30:21.000 I think so.

01:30:22.000 But I know MMA Masters is out of South Florida.

01:30:24.000 Oh, he's talking about a hand break or something?

01:30:27.000 No, no, that was just the end of the fight.

01:30:29.000 I don't know what that was about.

01:30:30.000 So I'm looking at his hand if they're talking about anything.

01:30:32.000 We can't really hear the auto in here, by the way, people.

01:30:34.000 Yeah, well, I mean, we could, but then it runs into weird issues.

01:30:37.000 Like, if we were doing this...

01:30:41.000 Well, the thing is, it's not totally legal.

01:30:44.000 Yeah.

01:30:46.000 It's kind of on Fox.

01:30:47.000 Like, we would kind of be broadcasting this stuff.

01:30:50.000 Literally kind of pirating.

01:30:51.000 And I kind of work for Fox, too.

01:30:52.000 They kind of look down on that.

01:30:53.000 They frown upon that.

01:30:55.000 Nobody's told me to not do this, but when I told them I was doing this, they went...

01:30:58.000 Like, they were thinking, this could be a fucking...

01:31:01.000 He might say some fucked up shit.

01:31:03.000 Or have a guy like Ian McCall on who will say some fucked up shit.

01:31:07.000 Good for Ricardo Lamas though because that's a fight where he had a lot to lose and not a lot to gain.

01:31:13.000 And he was losing.

01:31:14.000 And he was losing in the beginning.

01:31:15.000 That was a great fight.

01:31:17.000 Very good fight for him.

01:31:18.000 So we were talking about glory earlier.

01:31:21.000 How's that kid right there?

01:31:22.000 Can we take a minute to appreciate that?

01:31:24.000 The kid with the bandana and the baseball hat?

01:31:26.000 George St. Pierre when he was a kid?

01:31:27.000 Yeah.

01:31:28.000 There's good leg kicks.

01:31:30.000 And again, look, what do they show when they show the replay?

01:31:32.000 The replay looks like it's the Ricardo Llamas show.

01:31:35.000 They don't show any of what Hawk Ron Diaz did.

01:31:38.000 Ricardo Llamas takes him down.

01:31:40.000 Here, Ricardo Llamas hits him with a jab.

01:31:42.000 Come on, man.

01:31:42.000 In a very competitive fight.

01:31:44.000 The move of the fight.

01:31:45.000 Very competitive fight.

01:31:45.000 Yeah, I think the move of the fight...

01:31:47.000 Move of the fight should be both.

01:31:49.000 I'm going to talk to them about that the next event.

01:31:51.000 We'll see if they listen to me.

01:31:52.000 You got juice, right?

01:31:53.000 I got a little juice.

01:31:54.000 People listen to you.

01:31:54.000 I've been around.

01:31:55.000 Everybody ignores me.

01:31:56.000 I know some things, my friend.

01:31:58.000 Is that Joe Stevens?

01:31:59.000 Yep.

01:32:00.000 What's Joe up to these days?

01:32:01.000 Joe Daddy?

01:32:02.000 Yeah.

01:32:02.000 I don't know.

01:32:04.000 Joe Stevenson.

01:32:05.000 That kid started his MMA career as a professional.

01:32:09.000 16 years old, man.

01:32:11.000 Chris Brennan choked him out in UFC when he was 16. 16 years old.

01:32:14.000 King of the Cage.

01:32:16.000 King of the Cage or UFC? It was King of the Cage.

01:32:18.000 The first King of the Cage.

01:32:20.000 They tried to get me to fight when I was 16. King of the Cage.

01:32:24.000 He beat up Joe Camacho his first fight.

01:32:26.000 So crazy.

01:32:27.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 Tough.

01:32:28.000 Joe Camacho, rest in peace.

01:32:30.000 Dude, I couldn't believe that.

01:32:31.000 Former teammate of mine.

01:32:32.000 He was a good dude.

01:32:33.000 Yeah, he was.

01:32:33.000 I like Joe.

01:32:34.000 J.C. Plenty.

01:32:35.000 Dude would fight anybody, anytime, anywhere.

01:32:38.000 Good dude, too, man.

01:32:39.000 That's another thing that's kind of gone.

01:32:41.000 Understandably, I get it, but...

01:32:42.000 Yeah.

01:32:42.000 You know?

01:32:43.000 There was a few of those guys...

01:32:45.000 And a lot of them have crap records because they would fight anywhere.

01:32:49.000 Chris Brennan, give him a call.

01:32:51.000 He'll show up.

01:32:51.000 He'll fight.

01:32:52.000 Wild Man Danny, give him a ring.

01:32:55.000 You know they'll show up.

01:32:56.000 They'll know they'll show up.

01:32:57.000 You know they'll fight.

01:32:58.000 They'll have, you know, 20 losses.

01:33:00.000 They don't give a shit.

01:33:01.000 That fucking knockout of Weidman versus Silva that just showed in the replay.

01:33:04.000 I watch it.

01:33:05.000 I've seen it a hundred times.

01:33:06.000 I still don't believe it's happening.

01:33:08.000 I just go, there's no way.

01:33:10.000 There's no way that's real.

01:33:11.000 It's like, you remember when Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson and you watched the replay like ten times in a row?

01:33:15.000 You're like, that didn't happen.

01:33:17.000 I'm watching a hologram.

01:33:19.000 Greatest upset in boxing history.

01:33:21.000 Crazy!

01:33:22.000 Crazy upset.

01:33:23.000 In my opinion.

01:33:24.000 But when you watch it, You know, it doesn't seem real.

01:33:28.000 Like, when I watch Hennenborough with TJ Dillashaw, I've watched it again.

01:33:31.000 It seems real.

01:33:32.000 You know, TJ put on a masterful performance, but I believe it.

01:33:36.000 When I watch Wideman connect with that left hook, I'm like...

01:33:38.000 Is this a parallel universe?

01:33:40.000 Am I in a dream?

01:33:42.000 Did that really happen?

01:33:43.000 I cried.

01:33:44.000 Me and my brother cried when Tyson lost.

01:33:46.000 Did you really?

01:33:47.000 Wow.

01:33:47.000 What happened, Daddy?

01:33:50.000 My dad still watches every UFC, every boxing.

01:33:54.000 He knows his shit.

01:33:55.000 That's awesome.

01:33:56.000 I remember...

01:33:58.000 Oh my god, Superman just died.

01:34:01.000 When he was struggling to put that mouthpiece back in.

01:34:04.000 Motherfucker was game to the end though.

01:34:06.000 Still trying to put his mouthpiece back in.

01:34:08.000 Went out on a shield.

01:34:10.000 Scrunching around on the ground, trying to get that thing in his mouth.

01:34:13.000 Speaking of awful corners, Aaron Snowell, they didn't bring an end swell.

01:34:18.000 They had a water bag.

01:34:19.000 A rubber glove full of ice.

01:34:21.000 That's the most ridiculous shit ever.

01:34:22.000 No end swell.

01:34:24.000 They didn't have an end swell.

01:34:25.000 And that was, you know, we were talking about cornering.

01:34:28.000 Go at him, Mike.

01:34:29.000 You go, alright, Mike, move your head.

01:34:31.000 I mean, there were technical things that anybody could have told him, and they literally just had no idea what to do.

01:34:37.000 Like, he had always beaten everybody else.

01:34:39.000 It's a perfect example of a guy learning from fantastic coaches and then thinking he doesn't need any more coaching.

01:34:45.000 Kevin Rooney, amazing coach.

01:34:46.000 Kevin Rooney was amazing, and before that, of course, Teddy Atlas.

01:34:50.000 So Teddy pulled a gun on him.

01:34:51.000 Yep.

01:34:52.000 That tends to dampen the relationship a bit.

01:34:55.000 You're not supposed to fuck Teddy's niece, Mike.

01:34:57.000 Yeah, generally cornering his niece.

01:35:00.000 Yes.

01:35:00.000 Generally a bad idea.

01:35:02.000 You fucking beast.

01:35:03.000 Fucking savage.

01:35:05.000 Can't believe you're leaving little girls around Mike Tyson either, by the way.

01:35:08.000 Speaking of scenes where you go, did I just see that...

01:35:12.000 You know the interview he did before the Lennox fight when there's a woman reporter and she says something and goes, are you talking out of turn?

01:35:19.000 And she goes, I thought we were all just talking.

01:35:20.000 He goes, because I usually don't do interviews with women unless they'll fornicate with me.

01:35:24.000 So you should stop talking now.

01:35:26.000 And you just go, did I just see that?

01:35:29.000 He's an old school savage.

01:35:31.000 I'll fuck you till you love me.

01:35:33.000 I'll fuck you till you love me, faggot.

01:35:36.000 Running for me like a scared white bitch.

01:35:39.000 Oh my god.

01:35:40.000 Scared of the real man.

01:35:43.000 When you just look at me and go, are you for real, man?

01:35:47.000 Well, when you hear him now and he talks about how much coke he was doing, it makes sense.

01:35:52.000 I'll eat his babies.

01:35:53.000 Remember that?

01:35:54.000 I'll eat his babies.

01:35:56.000 Praise be to Allah.

01:35:57.000 I want to eat his children.

01:35:59.000 I'm ferocious.

01:35:59.000 My defense is impregnable.

01:36:01.000 I'm Jack Dempsey.

01:36:03.000 I'm Jack Johnson.

01:36:05.000 Ferocious.

01:36:06.000 I'm ferocious.

01:36:06.000 Heavyweight champion ever lived.

01:36:07.000 I'm precocious.

01:36:10.000 Yeah, those were the days, man.

01:36:12.000 Those were the days.

01:36:14.000 They're showing the Weidman versus Lyoto Machida fight.

01:36:17.000 What do you think about this?

01:36:18.000 Do you think that he's going to be able to get a hold of Machida?

01:36:21.000 Machida's tough for anybody.

01:36:23.000 His style is kryptonite.

01:36:25.000 And I have a tremendous respect for...

01:36:29.000 Everybody, he's fought, but you just can't get a handle on Machida.

01:36:32.000 He's so hard to get a handle on, man.

01:36:35.000 Weidman has bad knees too, man.

01:36:36.000 Real bad.

01:36:37.000 And he's fought through it because he's incredibly tough, but he had Regenicene done on both of his knees.

01:36:43.000 And then after he had Regenicene done, he felt great and then fucked him up again.

01:36:47.000 And then had to get meniscus surgery.

01:36:49.000 So he got meniscus surgery on both knees.

01:36:50.000 And it wasn't that long ago.

01:36:52.000 And that's what cancelled his last fight.

01:36:54.000 That's what postponed the fight.

01:36:56.000 And then, you know, obviously he was supposed to fight Vitor.

01:36:59.000 Vitor had to pull out.

01:37:01.000 They still have, you know, Vitor apparently still has to get licensed and tested and all that jazz, but he's another one of those guys off the testosterone replacement and, you know, now what?

01:37:13.000 Especially with this new ruling when they found out, now that everybody knows that Shale Sonning got popped, and now that everybody knows that he got popped with this new testing that they're doing, this $45,000 testing.

01:37:24.000 Who's scrambling right now?

01:37:25.000 That's what I'm wondering about.

01:37:27.000 Who's right now going, oh shit.

01:37:28.000 There's dudes that are scrambling.

01:37:30.000 There's a lot of motherfuckers that are like, uh oh.

01:37:31.000 Especially the older guys.

01:37:33.000 Especially the older guys.

01:37:34.000 Anybody that was on it.

01:37:36.000 There was only a handful of guys that were officially on testosterone replacement, but they're all fucked.

01:37:44.000 I mean, Dan Henderson is the only one who's been able to fight on it and off it with very similar results.

01:37:51.000 Like, he fought Rashad Evans, he was off of it, because Winnipeg didn't have a sanctioning, they didn't sanction testosterone replacement.

01:37:58.000 So Dan apparently only takes a little bit of it, so he's like, I just won't take it.

01:38:02.000 So he just fought without it, and it wasn't like a sweeping difference between how he looked.

01:38:08.000 Yeah.

01:38:10.000 Dan's a guy, by the way, personally, I used to train him a little bit.

01:38:14.000 Dan's just a great guy.

01:38:15.000 I really like him.

01:38:16.000 I really don't want to see him have that fight where he's suddenly old.

01:38:19.000 I just hope he gets out before then.

01:38:20.000 Because he's looked okay.

01:38:21.000 I mean, he's looked good.

01:38:24.000 I don't want him to have that fight.

01:38:25.000 I just really don't want to see it as a fan.

01:38:29.000 I really don't want to see that fight, man.

01:38:30.000 Well, he's got a chin that's made out of some new kind of metal.

01:38:34.000 It's like they don't even know what it is.

01:38:36.000 Some Wolverine shit.

01:38:36.000 Yeah, it doesn't even make sense.

01:38:38.000 I've never seen a guy take shots like he takes shots.

01:38:40.000 He's got the best chin I've ever seen in my life.

01:38:43.000 I mean, I've seen him get rocked.

01:38:45.000 Anderson rocked him.

01:38:46.000 Anderson lit him up with like a four or five punch combination before he KO'd him.

01:38:51.000 Or before he choked him out, rather.

01:38:53.000 He's the first guy that I've ever seen hurt Dan like that.

01:38:56.000 Dan's been in some crazy-ass fucking wars with people.

01:38:58.000 Remember Vanderlei in Pride?

01:39:00.000 Yes.

01:39:00.000 Beat the dog shit out of him.

01:39:02.000 In the first fight.

01:39:03.000 In the first fight.

01:39:04.000 Beat the dog shit out of him.

01:39:05.000 Beat the dog shit out of him.

01:39:06.000 Just kept going.

01:39:07.000 And he fucked Vanderlei up too.

01:39:09.000 That's what Vanderlei was just...

01:39:12.000 If you had a steroid test and you brought it near him, it would explode.

01:39:15.000 It would start shaking in your hands.

01:39:18.000 It would be like anti-matter, meaning a black hole would be created.

01:39:21.000 Because you're fucking screwed.

01:39:23.000 Like a Memorex commercial when they sing in the fucking glass break.

01:39:29.000 It would just fucking explode.

01:39:32.000 So he got rocked with a big punch, and Dan caught him with a huge right hand, fucked his eye up.

01:39:38.000 Remember, Vandelay's eye was completely closed.

01:39:41.000 And by the way he was fighting, he didn't even notice it.

01:39:43.000 Didn't even care.

01:39:44.000 Didn't even care.

01:39:45.000 I don't think enough people, and this is, I really believe this, Krokop beat the career out of Vanderlei Silva.

01:39:52.000 I believe he did too.

01:39:53.000 He beat him so badly in Pride Grand Prix heavyweight.

01:39:57.000 I don't think Vanderlei was ever the same dude after that.

01:39:59.000 I think you're right.

01:40:00.000 I think it beat the career out of him.

01:40:01.000 That was Vanderlei.

01:40:02.000 That one fight, man.

01:40:03.000 Vanderlei was trying to fight at 214 pounds.

01:40:06.000 Again, juice to the gills.

01:40:10.000 He wouldn't piss hot, he would piss liquid steroid.

01:40:13.000 Like, you could drink that and get jacked, bro.

01:40:15.000 You'd gain ten pounds.

01:40:16.000 You'd get home, you'd be like, why am I so big?

01:40:19.000 You could eat Vanderlei and just be juiced out yourself.

01:40:22.000 Dude.

01:40:22.000 But his wife was all jacked.

01:40:24.000 Yeah, she grew a beard.

01:40:25.000 She grew a beard.

01:40:26.000 Yeah, Vandalay was a monster.

01:40:29.000 I mean, he was just not afraid of anybody, but that was when Cro-Cop was Cro-Cop.

01:40:31.000 For those of you who haven't seen it, see it, dude.

01:40:33.000 It's an ass-whooping from the beginning to end.

01:40:36.000 He was a scary person back then.

01:40:38.000 Those kicks were just like...

01:40:40.000 And he fucked Vanderlei up before he KO'd him.

01:40:43.000 He had been lit up.

01:40:45.000 Vanderlei's never been the same guy.

01:40:47.000 But then again, he's another guy.

01:40:49.000 Well, they were all...

01:40:50.000 Look, when you talk to Ensign anyway, he said they had contracts that said they don't test for steroids.

01:40:55.000 Like, the contracts are telling you they're not going to test for steroids.

01:40:58.000 You know, Ensign laughs about it.

01:41:00.000 They didn't give a fuck.

01:41:02.000 But you look at a guy like Crow Cop, and he comes over to the UFC, and he's just never the fucking same.

01:41:05.000 Just not the same guy.

01:41:07.000 Everybody goes, yeah, Pride Fighters weren't that good.

01:41:09.000 They killed the UFC and got smoked.

01:41:10.000 And I'm like, number one, a couple of them won belts, like Minotaur on Rampage, but...

01:41:14.000 Gee, you think?

01:41:15.000 I go, they were just juiced to the gills, man.

01:41:19.000 And we all know that you can only have so many of those fucking fights.

01:41:23.000 The reason they were big in Pride is they had 20 fights against top guys.

01:41:28.000 Everybody now is a Pride fan.

01:41:29.000 It's cool to be a Pride fan.

01:41:31.000 They had some freak show fights that made no sense.

01:41:36.000 I love Pride.

01:41:37.000 I'm an old school Pride fan.

01:41:38.000 But a lot of those fights were like...

01:41:41.000 Remember Daijiro Matsui?

01:41:43.000 They would just throw him to the walls against anybody.

01:41:46.000 You can't take that number of beatings or just hard fights, period, and have a career after that.

01:41:53.000 Sakuraba.

01:41:54.000 Sakuraba.

01:41:55.000 They gave him no love, dude.

01:41:57.000 After he was...

01:41:59.000 Basically, after he lost to Vanderlei a second time, it was clear that he wasn't going to be Vanderlei.

01:42:03.000 Then it was Cro Cop.

01:42:04.000 It was just, they never gave the guy a break, man.

01:42:06.000 The one time I saw him was at Saboba, King of the Cage, and he was drinking and smoking cigarettes the whole time.

01:42:12.000 Didn't even watch the fights.

01:42:14.000 Well, apparently he always smoked.

01:42:15.000 Always smoked.

01:42:16.000 He smoked when he was in training.

01:42:17.000 Nicotine supplements is what he said.

01:42:18.000 Oh, really?

01:42:19.000 No, no, no.

01:42:20.000 Oh, that's what he called them?

01:42:21.000 Oh, nicotine supplements.

01:42:23.000 It's amazing how good his cardio was.

01:42:25.000 Yeah.

01:42:25.000 Ridiculous.

01:42:25.000 I mean, the guy never gassed out.

01:42:26.000 Never.

01:42:27.000 He smoked cigarettes all the time.

01:42:28.000 Yeah.

01:42:28.000 It's like, what's his name from Nicaragua, the boxer?

01:42:31.000 The guy who...

01:42:31.000 Mayurga.

01:42:32.000 Ricardo Mayurga.

01:42:32.000 Ricardo Mayurga tried a little bit of MMA. Old school Chavis.

01:42:36.000 Yeah.

01:42:36.000 And, yeah.

01:42:37.000 He used to smoke cigarettes.

01:42:38.000 Romy.

01:42:38.000 Romy from my gym.

01:42:39.000 He just smokes, eats gristle, and drinks alcohol.

01:42:42.000 Really?

01:42:42.000 And he just...

01:42:43.000 Like, he never gets tired of punching.

01:42:46.000 If you take him for a run, you'll run him into the ground.

01:42:48.000 It's easy, but...

01:42:49.000 Giant punch with him and bop, [...

01:42:52.000 I'm like, dude, we just went 5-5s and you're still punching faster than me.

01:42:56.000 And you smoke cigarettes?

01:42:57.000 Yeah, and you smoke cigarettes every day.

01:42:58.000 Well, a lot of Thai guys do, right?

01:43:00.000 Yeah.

01:43:00.000 The Thais, a lot of the Thai cigarettes.

01:43:01.000 He trades cigarettes with the foreigners.

01:43:04.000 That's so hilarious, to get some foreign cigarettes?

01:43:06.000 Yeah.

01:43:07.000 So this is Cesar Ferreira, who won the ultimate fight of Brazil.

01:43:12.000 He's coming off of that knockout loss to C.B. Dalloway, though, right?

01:43:15.000 Wasn't that his last fight?

01:43:17.000 Dalloway caught him with a beautiful punch.

01:43:21.000 Dalloway's stand-up is much improved.

01:43:23.000 And this is an interesting fight, man.

01:43:28.000 Andrew Craig, who's another one of those guys that's an athlete in other sports that came into MMA late in life.

01:43:35.000 He played football?

01:43:37.000 What did he do?

01:43:38.000 I don't remember.

01:43:40.000 I don't remember what he did.

01:43:41.000 I wish I had my cheat sheet in front of me.

01:43:43.000 I could pretend I'm smart.

01:43:44.000 I fought with him in Brazil.

01:43:46.000 Did you?

01:43:46.000 Yeah.

01:43:47.000 Or not Brazil, in Australia.

01:43:49.000 Super nice guy.

01:43:49.000 Cut away together.

01:43:50.000 Yeah, very good dude.

01:43:52.000 Tough guy too, man.

01:43:53.000 I loved how he looked against Chris Lieben.

01:43:55.000 That was one of the signs that it was over for Lieben.

01:43:58.000 Yeah.

01:43:59.000 Because Andrew Craig avoided all Lieben's charges and fought really...

01:44:04.000 Oh, he got tagged.

01:44:05.000 Ferreira tagged him.

01:44:08.000 Ferreira's trying to lock up an anaconda choke right away.

01:44:13.000 Oh, look at this arm and guillotine.

01:44:14.000 He loves that arm and guillotine, too, man.

01:44:16.000 He got that arm and guillotine in one of his last fights.

01:44:19.000 He hops over to the side, gets his hips on the side, and traps the arm and with his hips.

01:44:23.000 We were just talking about this last night with some jiu-jitsu guys at the Ice House about that guillotine.

01:44:29.000 A lot of guys are doing that now.

01:44:30.000 They trap that arm and jump off to the side.

01:44:33.000 You can circle and go Peruvian, too.

01:44:34.000 Mm-hmm.

01:44:36.000 Yeah.

01:44:36.000 Yeah, I like the privy necktie.

01:44:42.000 Now he's switching it up to that ten finger.

01:44:45.000 Nope, Andrew's got those hands separated.

01:44:48.000 Let's see if Andrew goes to his back.

01:44:49.000 Because that's the thing, a lot of dudes don't want to give up the back, you know?

01:44:52.000 And Andrew stood back up.

01:44:54.000 Nicely done by Craig.

01:44:57.000 Andrew Craig's got to get rid of that crazy beard.

01:45:00.000 Look at that.

01:45:00.000 It looks very Uncle Creepy-like.

01:45:03.000 Only one of us can have that motherfucker.

01:45:05.000 Don't get mad.

01:45:06.000 If another dude starts twirling up the tips of his mustache, then you're going to have to talk with him.

01:45:11.000 Listen, son.

01:45:12.000 Eddie Wineland does it.

01:45:14.000 Does he?

01:45:15.000 Eddie does?

01:45:16.000 When does he do it?

01:45:17.000 I never saw him do that.

01:45:19.000 I don't know if he still has it.

01:45:20.000 He's had it before in the past.

01:45:22.000 What did you think about his last fight?

01:45:24.000 Who'd he fight last?

01:45:25.000 He got knocked out, remember?

01:45:28.000 Oh, by...

01:45:29.000 Brazilian cat.

01:45:30.000 Yeah, young one, isn't it?

01:45:32.000 Yeah, I'll pull it up.

01:45:35.000 He might retire, which sucks.

01:45:37.000 Oh, because he's got his jaw broken.

01:45:38.000 Yep.

01:45:39.000 I hate that.

01:45:40.000 Gotta get it wired.

01:45:41.000 I love watching that guy fight.

01:45:43.000 Yeah, he's exciting.

01:45:44.000 You want to talk about a guy who never keeps his fucking hands up.

01:45:46.000 Yeah, he just slings.

01:45:48.000 I mean, he moved his head real good.

01:45:49.000 Good footwork, good head movement.

01:45:50.000 Johnny Eduardo knocked him out.

01:45:52.000 Oh, he's cut bad.

01:45:53.000 Look at that.

01:45:56.000 There's blood running down the side of his face.

01:45:57.000 Yeah, it's a good spot, though.

01:45:58.000 The top of his head.

01:45:59.000 And he's got cornrows like a fucking white chick hanging out with black dudes.

01:46:03.000 Or in combo.

01:46:05.000 Or in combo, yeah.

01:46:06.000 Or a Bo Derek fan.

01:46:08.000 Bo Derek, man.

01:46:09.000 It's an old school one.

01:46:10.000 What's going on?

01:46:11.000 You got poked, too?

01:46:11.000 God damn it, I hate these eye pokes.

01:46:14.000 Now, here's something that Bellator is doing good.

01:46:16.000 I like that new glove that you guys have.

01:46:18.000 Other than Jimmy Smith.

01:46:19.000 That's the main thing.

01:46:22.000 That Jimmy Smith guy.

01:46:25.000 That guy.

01:46:25.000 Guy he works with.

01:46:27.000 That guy's awesome.

01:46:30.000 But the gloves, those new Everlast gloves, they protect the hand more and they're more curved.

01:46:36.000 Yeah, they're kind of bent.

01:46:36.000 If you haven't seen them, they make the hand cup a little bit.

01:46:39.000 I would sure like some more hand protection.

01:46:40.000 Yeah, man.

01:46:41.000 I know.

01:46:42.000 Ian's got a fucked up hand right now.

01:46:46.000 How many times have you had hand surgery?

01:46:48.000 Twice.

01:46:50.000 Two surgeries, two breaks, and it's just, I mean, it'll break again.

01:46:56.000 It's just one of those things.

01:46:57.000 You just hit too hard, son.

01:46:58.000 Got a problem.

01:47:01.000 Or I hit people on the top of the head.

01:47:03.000 That's a problem, too.

01:47:03.000 That's a killer.

01:47:05.000 Ooh, good straight left by Ferrara.

01:47:08.000 The Everlast Glove, they've had very few handbrakes in Bellator since that was implemented, right?

01:47:14.000 What was the statistic, Jimmy?

01:47:15.000 You're the guy over there.

01:47:16.000 I am the guy over there.

01:47:17.000 What are the numbers, Jimmy?

01:47:19.000 For the handbrakes?

01:47:21.000 Statistics about what?

01:47:23.000 Yeah.

01:47:23.000 What's your specific question?

01:47:24.000 Well, there was a statistic.

01:47:27.000 Look how small Vitor Belfort's arm looks.

01:47:29.000 I mean, I don't want to be the guy saying that.

01:47:32.000 Just throwing that out there.

01:47:35.000 Get rid of that, guys.

01:47:37.000 They hurt us in the truck.

01:47:39.000 I know that there was a ton of handbrakes one season.

01:47:43.000 The season before the implementation of these gloves.

01:47:46.000 And since then, I don't think there's been a break.

01:47:48.000 I haven't seen one.

01:47:50.000 I think they've literally eliminated handbrakes.

01:47:53.000 I mean, it's kind of anecdotal.

01:47:55.000 It's not like a...

01:47:56.000 Well, the problem they've had in Bellator...

01:48:00.000 Obviously, it's going to change next year.

01:48:02.000 With the tournament system, the guy would get his hand broken, and that was it.

01:48:05.000 We had to throw in somebody out.

01:48:05.000 In injury, we would go, okay, well, he won't fight for four months anyway.

01:48:09.000 No, he's got to fight in a month.

01:48:10.000 So that's why they don't allow elbows on the ground, is because...

01:48:14.000 Or the elbows period is because they didn't want cuts where you get a 60-day suspension.

01:48:17.000 You can't fight the next month.

01:48:19.000 So that would really fuck Bellator up.

01:48:21.000 When people got injured, you fight in a month, you've got a broken hand, you're done.

01:48:24.000 You've got to replace them.

01:48:25.000 Do you think that they're going to change that fight in a month thing with Coker involved?

01:48:30.000 Because I think they're getting rid of the tournament thing.

01:48:33.000 Yes.

01:48:34.000 The seasonal format where we're doing a fight a week for three months is going to go.

01:48:41.000 That's what they're talking about because essentially, One time, I'll tell this story.

01:48:46.000 Marronello used to call me every week to do, when he was on The Score, radio show or whatever, and to kind of break down next week's Bellator.

01:48:52.000 And one time he goes, alright, well in three weeks, and I went, oh shit, I don't know what's happening in three weeks.

01:48:58.000 That's like a year to me.

01:49:01.000 That's like four fights from now.

01:49:02.000 So I'd run to my computer and pull it up real quick so I could talk about it.

01:49:06.000 I don't know what's happening in two weeks.

01:49:08.000 Or three weeks.

01:49:09.000 How are the fans going to know what's happening?

01:49:11.000 You couldn't build up a fight because we had a fight every week.

01:49:14.000 So unless you were in it, because you like watching fights every week, we did have those fans that got into it like you'd get into a TV series.

01:49:21.000 It was hard to hype a fight and make a fight really big.

01:49:24.000 And Scott Coker's whole thing now is...

01:49:26.000 Big fights, and you need lead time, and you need promotional time to build those up.

01:49:30.000 It can't be done every week.

01:49:32.000 And by the way, nobody gives a fuck about tournaments.

01:49:34.000 They like fights.

01:49:36.000 Here's the statistics, so you know.

01:49:39.000 The new gloves debuted at Bellator 110, and Bellator has held nine events and experienced zero handbrakes.

01:49:48.000 Since the implementation of the new gloves.

01:49:51.000 By comparison, Bellator Season 8 saw 11 events used the old glove design and included 8 broken hands.

01:50:00.000 Including welterweight champion Douglas Lima.

01:50:02.000 A beast.

01:50:04.000 That dude's a beast.

01:50:05.000 Dude's a monster.

01:50:06.000 And lightweight standouts Saad Awad.

01:50:08.000 Is that how you say it?

01:50:09.000 Saad Awad.

01:50:10.000 Broke it against Dave Rickles.

01:50:12.000 And Alexander Sarnofsky.

01:50:14.000 Yeah.

01:50:15.000 All broke their hand.

01:50:17.000 Amazing, man.

01:50:18.000 Yeah.

01:50:19.000 Amazing.

01:50:19.000 I remember those fights.

01:50:21.000 Season 9 also featured 11 events and had 7 fighters suffer breaks.

01:50:31.000 Hold on a second.

01:50:33.000 Season 8. Okay, this is saying Season 8 had the new gloves.

01:50:39.000 Oh, they had 8 broken hands.

01:50:42.000 Okay, hold on a second.

01:50:45.000 Wait a second.

01:50:45.000 Since the new glove, they've held nine events.

01:50:49.000 Okay, Bellator Season 8 saw 11 events with the old gloves.

01:50:54.000 Now you're understanding the confusion of the season format now.

01:50:56.000 Right here, Joe is just exemplifying that.

01:50:59.000 I don't get it.

01:51:01.000 Well, apparently they haven't had any handbrakes since the new gloves.

01:51:05.000 I did know that, that we haven't had any since they had the new one.

01:51:07.000 That's incredible.

01:51:08.000 That's pretty crazy.

01:51:08.000 That's pretty amazing.

01:51:10.000 So, if you see the gloves, you see them in an image.

01:51:13.000 You can see them here.

01:51:14.000 The comparison between the old gloves and the new gloves.

01:51:17.000 They're just thicker.

01:51:18.000 Thicker on top.

01:51:19.000 And not any heavier, right?

01:51:21.000 They're still 4-ounce gloves?

01:51:22.000 They're same.

01:51:23.000 Alright, so, Andrew Craig, Cesar Ferrer, Mutante, fighting the second round here.

01:51:28.000 Mutante's fucking huge for 185. Yeah, Lima's one of those guys, you look at him and you go, how the fuck do you make 170 pounds?

01:51:35.000 He is a giant.

01:51:37.000 What does that guy walk around at?

01:51:38.000 220?

01:51:39.000 Jesus.

01:51:40.000 215?

01:51:41.000 Seriously.

01:51:43.000 Well north of 200. Perfect example of a guy who diminished by losing weight is Anthony Rumble Johnson.

01:51:51.000 He's the best example.

01:51:52.000 Look at what the fuck that guy looks like as a light heavyweight.

01:51:55.000 He's got to be kicking himself for not being a light heavyweight all along.

01:51:58.000 He's a scary...

01:51:59.000 Having full energy and full...

01:52:01.000 What he did to Phil Davis...

01:52:03.000 Nobody's done to Phil Davis.

01:52:04.000 He manhandled him.

01:52:05.000 Manhandled him.

01:52:06.000 Dude.

01:52:06.000 Stuffed every takedown like it was a joke.

01:52:09.000 Beat the shit out of him standing.

01:52:10.000 Made it look like he didn't belong in there with him.

01:52:12.000 It was amazing.

01:52:13.000 I kept thinking, this guy fought it once.

01:52:15.000 Never.

01:52:15.000 Just power-wise.

01:52:16.000 Well, Rashad beat Phil Davis, but...

01:52:19.000 Didn't physically...

01:52:20.000 Didn't do it like that.

01:52:21.000 Wiped the floor with him.

01:52:22.000 Didn't do it like that.

01:52:23.000 Anthony Rumble Johnson is fucking frightening.

01:52:25.000 Yeah.

01:52:26.000 It's a scary dude.

01:52:26.000 So, Andrew Craig and Mutante here in the second round.

01:52:36.000 So, yeah, Ferreira did, he lost his last fight.

01:52:41.000 That was...

01:52:42.000 The Dalloway fight?

01:52:43.000 Yeah, that was the Dalloway fight.

01:52:49.000 Which was a great fight for Dalloway.

01:52:52.000 Dalloway's another one of those guys that really is coming into his own lately.

01:52:55.000 He's just starting to see it.

01:53:01.000 Dalloway's just starting to get real comfortable with his hands.

01:53:04.000 Real loose with his hands.

01:53:09.000 Spinning backfist.

01:53:12.000 It's interesting how you're seeing, like, we were talking about this the other day, that MMA has a lot of, like, one guy will do one thing, and you'll see it happen.

01:53:23.000 You'll see it be effective, like a wheel kick, and then you'll see, like, everybody throwing wheel kicks.

01:53:27.000 Everybody's trying it, yeah.

01:53:28.000 It's one of those things.

01:53:29.000 Look at this.

01:53:29.000 Holy shit.

01:53:30.000 Tante's strong as fuck.

01:53:31.000 Good takedown defense by Craig, though.

01:53:34.000 Andrew Craig's a really good athlete, man.

01:53:37.000 And the reason why he's gotten so good at MMA so quickly...

01:53:48.000 It's not the technique anymore.

01:53:51.000 The X Factor is how good of an athlete are they?

01:53:53.000 That's definitely a part of it, right?

01:53:55.000 I mean, Marcelo Garcia has always said that about no-gi jiu-jitsu.

01:53:58.000 That the difference between no-gi and gi is that physical attributes are so much more important than no-gi.

01:54:03.000 That a guy who's really physically strong accounts for so much more.

01:54:06.000 Whereas a guy who's physically strong in a gi, you know, we've all seen it.

01:54:10.000 Guys get wrapped up and spider-webbed.

01:54:12.000 You know, they just get gummed up.

01:54:15.000 Ted Adé took second in the world at heavyweight.

01:54:17.000 Did he really?

01:54:18.000 At heavyweight.

01:54:19.000 Lost to?

01:54:20.000 Fabricio Verdum.

01:54:21.000 On points.

01:54:22.000 That's incredible.

01:54:23.000 At heavyweight.

01:54:24.000 Gi, obviously.

01:54:25.000 Yeah.

01:54:26.000 I mean, that's how good Ted A was.

01:54:27.000 I mean, this guy fought for the non-jiu-jitsu people.

01:54:29.000 Fought around 170 pounds.

01:54:31.000 Schooled Marcel Garcia in the world, I think, 2003, 2004?

01:54:34.000 Was it really?

01:54:34.000 2003, yeah.

01:54:35.000 With a gi.

01:54:36.000 With a gi.

01:54:37.000 So, I mean, that's a perfect example.

01:54:38.000 I've seen Jeff Glover school heavyweights with a gi.

01:54:42.000 Amazing.

01:54:43.000 It's very different to take that gi off, man.

01:54:45.000 Yeah, that's why a lot of guys like, you know, the gi make you technical.

01:54:49.000 My friend, you know, you're going to train for MMA, but you want to train the gi.

01:54:52.000 Why do they want to do that?

01:54:53.000 Because when they roll with you, they can still wrap you up.

01:54:55.000 Your Brazilian jiu-jitsu, your Brazilian accent is incredible, by the way.

01:54:59.000 It's not bad, my friend.

01:55:00.000 It's normal.

01:55:00.000 I've been around, you know, do this guy with these guys, you know, jiu-jitsu.

01:55:05.000 It's very good.

01:55:06.000 Very true.

01:55:07.000 Cesar Ferreira.

01:55:10.000 Wheel kick!

01:55:11.000 Oh, wheel kick!

01:55:12.000 That was like the Cabo Aero style.

01:55:13.000 Just talked about it.

01:55:14.000 Dropped down and put his hands on the ground and everything.

01:55:19.000 Andrew Craig looks very V for Vendetta.

01:55:23.000 He does.

01:55:26.000 He's doing the wrong thing, though, is when Ferreira's throwing the wild techniques, he's freezing.

01:55:30.000 Craig's kind of looking at it.

01:55:31.000 No, that's the time to get on the guy.

01:55:34.000 Straight shots.

01:55:35.000 Yeah, straight shots.

01:55:36.000 And right now he's seeing the funky techniques and freezing.

01:55:39.000 He's looking at it.

01:55:40.000 He's still got a lot of growing to do, you know?

01:55:44.000 I mean, it's hard for a guy who's getting into MMA late in life with no expertise in anything.

01:55:50.000 It's one thing if you're like a Crow Cop guy that was a high-level kickboxer, enters into MMA, and then we get to watch the transition.

01:55:58.000 But these guys that are learning everything as they go along.

01:56:04.000 Do you think you could date a girl like Ronda Rousey, Jimmy Smith, if you were a single guy?

01:56:08.000 Date?

01:56:10.000 Let's do some definitions here.

01:56:11.000 I use the word date.

01:56:12.000 I could date a lot of people.

01:56:13.000 But we're being nice.

01:56:14.000 We're being nice here.

01:56:15.000 Could I date?

01:56:16.000 Yes.

01:56:16.000 Could that be your girlfriend?

01:56:18.000 Do you think you'd handle that?

01:56:20.000 Crazy?

01:56:21.000 Well, it's weird.

01:56:22.000 Because I tend to attract a lot of crazy women.

01:56:26.000 No way.

01:56:27.000 Yeah, no way.

01:56:28.000 I don't believe it.

01:56:29.000 Everybody in this room.

01:56:30.000 Yeah, seriously.

01:56:30.000 Whatever you mean.

01:56:31.000 It's like, it's not even my fault.

01:56:33.000 Yeah, if chicks aren't crazy, I'm not interested.

01:56:35.000 But, yeah, seriously, but...

01:56:38.000 What are we going to talk about?

01:56:39.000 I'm crazy.

01:56:40.000 If you're not crazy...

01:56:41.000 Yeah, if you're not, at least a little nuts.

01:56:42.000 This is not going to work out.

01:56:44.000 Let's just talk right now.

01:56:48.000 Good front kicks to the body by Ferreira.

01:56:54.000 Oh, nice.

01:56:55.000 I cut him up.

01:56:56.000 Beautiful.

01:56:57.000 Sliced him up.

01:56:57.000 Nice one.

01:56:58.000 Nasty cut.

01:57:00.000 Oh!

01:57:01.000 Beautiful takedown.

01:57:03.000 Yeah, he's strong as fuck.

01:57:04.000 That's a big boy.

01:57:06.000 He is large.

01:57:07.000 He's huge for 185. It's almost hard to believe when you stand next to him that he makes that weight.

01:57:11.000 Wow.

01:57:12.000 Because I weigh 185. So how's that guy, Hunter?

01:57:14.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:57:16.000 And I'm like, you're way bigger than me.

01:57:18.000 Andrew's fucked up, man.

01:57:19.000 He's really bloody.

01:57:21.000 That is something a lot of people ask me, you know, because, you know...

01:57:25.000 I've been in the sport since about 2001-ish.

01:57:27.000 2000, I guess.

01:57:29.000 And, hey, what's changed the most?

01:57:31.000 I go, weight cutting.

01:57:33.000 Guys are so much bigger than they used to be.

01:57:35.000 It used to be pretty much just wrestlers did that.

01:57:37.000 Now everybody does it.

01:57:39.000 Dude, Andrew Craig is a mask of blood.

01:57:42.000 That is bad.

01:57:43.000 And it's right over the eye, which is a bad place to get cut.

01:57:46.000 Well irrigated.

01:57:47.000 He's trying to get back up.

01:57:49.000 And Cesar's got his back.

01:57:51.000 Defend that left hook?

01:57:52.000 Oh, son.

01:57:53.000 I never have.

01:57:54.000 So I'm going to ask you, Ian, have you ever had a cut roughly that nasty in a fight?

01:57:58.000 No.

01:57:59.000 Never?

01:58:00.000 No.

01:58:00.000 I always wondered if there's just...

01:58:02.000 Because it never really bothered me getting hit, and I never really got cut that bad.

01:58:06.000 But you see...

01:58:07.000 Because you don't see what we're seeing.

01:58:09.000 You don't know where it is.

01:58:10.000 You don't know exactly how deep it is.

01:58:11.000 You can't see it.

01:58:12.000 And suddenly, my eyes are full of blood.

01:58:15.000 It's just, that's got to be a moment where you go, oh shit.

01:58:18.000 That is a gag.

01:58:19.000 Because that's a bad one.

01:58:20.000 Because you don't know how bad it is.

01:58:21.000 I had to practice one time.

01:58:21.000 I still have stitches in my eye.

01:58:23.000 In practice?

01:58:23.000 Yeah, but I just, bam!

01:58:25.000 And then I was looking at the ceiling just like, and all I heard was, God damn it, Chris!

01:58:30.000 God damn it!

01:58:31.000 This kid, this Japanese kid who's just, was freaky athlete good.

01:58:34.000 Yeah.

01:58:35.000 And just jumped knee me in the face when I was shooting and just blasted my eye open.

01:58:40.000 It was just like, I'm surprised it hasn't opened.

01:58:42.000 It's still got stitches in it.

01:58:43.000 You can feel them.

01:58:43.000 So they did dissolve?

01:58:45.000 No, this was a long time ago.

01:58:47.000 They never took him out?

01:58:49.000 You're supposed to do that.

01:58:50.000 Yeah.

01:58:51.000 That's not good.

01:58:52.000 It was because I was fighting soon.

01:58:54.000 Just left him in there?

01:58:55.000 Yeah.

01:58:56.000 By the way, Ferrer's got a nice rear naked, but he can't extend his back.

01:58:59.000 Because he's trapped up against the cage.

01:59:01.000 That's a real problem.

01:59:02.000 Can't put his hips into it.

01:59:03.000 That's the benefit of the ring.

01:59:05.000 Now he's got it.

01:59:07.000 Now he might be in trouble.

01:59:08.000 I can extend.

01:59:09.000 Well, Andrew's actually scooting back.

01:59:14.000 That body triangle sucks a fat dick, doesn't it?

01:59:17.000 Formiga had me with that for the first round of our fight.

01:59:20.000 Worst feeling.

01:59:21.000 And he just...

01:59:22.000 I couldn't get him off.

01:59:23.000 Like, it was impossible.

01:59:24.000 The worst is when a guy's got your back and your belly down, and that body triangle's locked in.

01:59:29.000 Sucks.

01:59:29.000 Brutal.

01:59:30.000 Tony Freakland.

01:59:31.000 Yeah.

01:59:32.000 Tapped out to that.

01:59:32.000 Ivan Salvar, he got him.

01:59:35.000 Another great example of that is...

01:59:38.000 Anderson Silva beat Hayato Sakurai and had a bye challenge who's beaten the dog shit out of Minshuto for the old school fans.

01:59:46.000 That was a long time ago, man.

01:59:49.000 Ferraris keeps trying, but Andrew Craig is not giving up.

01:59:53.000 Sakurai's one of my favorites of all time.

01:59:54.000 Dude, I love Hayato Sakurai.

01:59:56.000 That old school highlight?

01:59:57.000 Yep.

01:59:58.000 Love it.

01:59:59.000 He's just...

02:00:01.000 Cartwheeling over the guard and shit.

02:00:02.000 That was a fight that I was bummed out of when he fought Gomi in pride and he came out with his leg all mummified up and he knew he was fucked up.

02:00:08.000 He knew he was injured going into that fight.

02:00:10.000 And he always got screwed with that head and arm throw he'd try.

02:00:14.000 Like Innocent Silva, if you slip, you get your back taken.

02:00:17.000 And he did that against Gomi, he did that against Silva.

02:00:19.000 Same thing.

02:00:19.000 The Japanese, they go out there to die.

02:00:22.000 I mean, they are savages.

02:00:24.000 I was ringside.

02:00:25.000 It was before I ever even worked for the UFC. I was cage-side when Matt Hughes fought him in the UFC. And that was when it was evident the difference between a guy who cuts weight, who's a big, strong wrestler, and a guy who doesn't.

02:00:36.000 Sakurai just did not belong in there with Matt Hughes.

02:00:38.000 Yeah.

02:00:39.000 Matt Hughes just mauled him.

02:00:40.000 He was just too big and too good at the time.

02:00:42.000 Look at this.

02:00:43.000 Hanging on with that.

02:00:44.000 Oh!

02:00:45.000 Oh my god!

02:00:47.000 He might have him!

02:00:47.000 Oh my goodness!

02:00:48.000 Head kicked him!

02:00:52.000 This would be crazy!

02:00:54.000 Cesar, he's fucked up!

02:00:56.000 He's fucked.

02:00:58.000 Andrew Craig is game as fuck.

02:01:00.000 Oh, he tagged him with that right hand!

02:01:02.000 He cannot see the punches coming.

02:01:04.000 He can't see the right hand.

02:01:06.000 Oh my goodness.

02:01:08.000 Oh my goodness.

02:01:09.000 Craig can't let off the gas now.

02:01:11.000 He doesn't have anything left.

02:01:12.000 He will lose the fight.

02:01:13.000 He gave a pint of blood back there when he was sitting down.

02:01:16.000 Oh, he tagged him again!

02:01:17.000 He's got to finish him.

02:01:18.000 You've got to finish him.

02:01:19.000 Jump on him.

02:01:20.000 There we go.

02:01:20.000 Keep landing that fucking right hand.

02:01:24.000 Ferrer can just jump guard right now.

02:01:25.000 He might just flop and jump guard.

02:01:28.000 He'll make it.

02:01:29.000 Andrew's ready to wing that right hand.

02:01:30.000 Look at this.

02:01:31.000 Didn't do it.

02:01:32.000 He's like, here it comes.

02:01:32.000 Here it comes, bitch.

02:01:33.000 Didn't pull the trigger in time.

02:01:34.000 Wow.

02:01:34.000 Shoot.

02:01:36.000 I don't know.

02:01:37.000 Wow, that's interesting.

02:01:38.000 Wow.

02:01:39.000 You know, the cut is one thing, but you get past the cut, who did more damage?

02:01:43.000 Yeah.

02:01:44.000 You know, I mean, other than the cut, it is a nasty cut.

02:01:47.000 But he also threatened with the rear naked.

02:01:49.000 Yep, but not really.

02:01:50.000 Not really.

02:01:51.000 It never looked like it was close.

02:01:53.000 That was the closest.

02:01:54.000 That head kick and those combinations.

02:01:56.000 That's an interesting case as far as like...

02:01:59.000 Judging a round.

02:02:00.000 If I was going to judge that round, I think I would be inclined to give it to him.

02:02:04.000 Because he head kicked him, had him rocked, chasing him.

02:02:07.000 He was way closer to being ended than a guy defending the back.

02:02:11.000 You know, guys defend the back for a whole round and they're fine the next round.

02:02:15.000 He's not fine.

02:02:16.000 He got fucked up.

02:02:17.000 You know, he got head kicked, he got cracked.

02:02:20.000 But that highlights the real problem with a ten-point must boxing system being used in MMA and not being even used correctly.

02:02:27.000 Well, the problem is that the equal criteria, according to Muslims, is effective striking and effective grappling.

02:02:33.000 Well, effective grappling...

02:02:36.000 Doesn't cut a guy up.

02:02:37.000 Doesn't leave a lot of marks.

02:02:39.000 Effective striking guys on roller skates.

02:02:40.000 It's way easier to see.

02:02:42.000 So judging-wise, it's very difficult to deal with.

02:02:44.000 Really difficult.

02:02:45.000 It's true.

02:02:46.000 Very true.

02:02:47.000 I've seen guys get school.

02:02:48.000 I mean, that's the great thing about jiu-jitsu when we train it.

02:02:51.000 I mean, you can go with a world champ and all you do is tap a lot.

02:02:54.000 Yeah.

02:02:55.000 You know, it doesn't...

02:02:56.000 If you go 10 rounds with Malapet, you know, you're like gluing your limbs back together.

02:03:00.000 You know, it just doesn't...

02:03:01.000 Even in sparring.

02:03:02.000 Right.

02:03:02.000 So...

02:03:03.000 With grappling, that's a great part of it.

02:03:05.000 I just got pinned a lot.

02:03:06.000 It was unfortunate, but you're okay the next day.

02:03:09.000 We have these two brothers from the Art of Jiu-Jitsu that do strength and conditioning with me.

02:03:14.000 I'm like, stick with Jiu-Jitsu.

02:03:17.000 Don't get beat up for a living.

02:03:18.000 Don't have to worry about getting punched.

02:03:19.000 Hopefully your sport will start making you some money.

02:03:23.000 They're like, we don't want to get punched.

02:03:24.000 I'm like, good.

02:03:25.000 If you don't desperately want to fight MMA, you definitely shouldn't fight MMA. You just shouldn't do it.

02:03:30.000 It's got to be something that is an obsession to you.

02:03:33.000 And if it's not an obsession to you, avoid it at all costs, man.

02:03:36.000 They're just nice little surfer kids who are like 8 or 10. And they're just like, yeah, we just want to do Jiu-Jitsu and surf.

02:03:42.000 There you go.

02:03:43.000 Sounds beautiful.

02:03:44.000 Cesar Ferreira.

02:03:45.000 Yeah, I thought he deserved it.

02:03:47.000 Yeah.

02:03:48.000 Very interesting.

02:03:49.000 I don't think he's going to remember that last round, though.

02:03:51.000 Very interesting.

02:03:52.000 Good fight.

02:03:53.000 It shows how tough Andrew Craig is, man.

02:03:55.000 Seriously.

02:03:55.000 Tough as fuck.

02:03:57.000 Oh, they're showing the kick.

02:03:59.000 Oh, no, they're not.

02:04:00.000 That's just a straight left that took him down.

02:04:04.000 Yeah, again, move of the fight is all the guy who won.

02:04:07.000 There's that elbow.

02:04:08.000 God damn, that was perfect.

02:04:10.000 That was beautiful.

02:04:11.000 That was like he hit him with a razor blade.

02:04:13.000 Look at that.

02:04:14.000 Perfect.

02:04:14.000 Take down.

02:04:15.000 And here's just power and technique.

02:04:17.000 Look at this.

02:04:18.000 Rotation of the body.

02:04:19.000 Clear the legs.

02:04:20.000 There's some core strength, son.

02:04:22.000 Boom.

02:04:23.000 And you see that gash is immediately pouring.

02:04:26.000 It's like a glop of blood landed on his shoulder.

02:04:28.000 Amazing.

02:04:30.000 Who's, like, out of all-time favorite fighters to watch?

02:04:33.000 Who's, like, your all-time favorite fighter to watch?

02:04:35.000 I think my all-time favorite fighter to watch is Hayato Sakurai.

02:04:39.000 He was, like, my favorite.

02:04:40.000 Fighting in Shuto.

02:04:40.000 Love watching that guy.

02:04:42.000 Love watching that guy.

02:04:42.000 I think Prime Vandalay is mine.

02:04:45.000 Yeah, Prime Vandalay's great.

02:04:46.000 Prime Vanderlei was so fucking crazy.

02:04:49.000 He was so wild.

02:04:51.000 Smiling and stomping on me.

02:04:52.000 You know what I used to love when he would do this thing?

02:04:54.000 At the beginning of the fight, rotating the wrists.

02:04:57.000 Oh, fuck yeah, man.

02:04:58.000 He was so mad dog.

02:05:00.000 When he fought Rampage, those two fights with Rampage, he was so mad dog.

02:05:05.000 Just mad dog!

02:05:06.000 Need him 50 times, man.

02:05:08.000 Oh, he was so crazy.

02:05:10.000 Ugh.

02:05:10.000 It was so fun to watch him, man, when he was at his best.

02:05:13.000 He was just so ferocious.

02:05:15.000 So ferocious.

02:05:17.000 You know, it was funny, like, Phil Barone was talking about it once, and he was like...

02:05:21.000 Fucking let everybody do fucking steroids.

02:05:23.000 He goes, I want to see Chew Stuff Vandelay back when he was in Pride, when he was at his best.

02:05:27.000 I was laughing, but I was like, part of me agrees with that.

02:05:32.000 As a fan, just a fan of the spectacle of Vandelay Silva, of Cro Cop, of the guys when they were at their best...

02:05:40.000 That was fun to watch.

02:05:42.000 Vanderlei and his prime was fun to watch.

02:05:44.000 Who knows what he was actually on?

02:05:46.000 I'm just assuming.

02:05:47.000 We're just guessing.

02:05:48.000 We're not medical professionals here.

02:05:50.000 We all know that people take things.

02:05:52.000 There's a reason why this Chael Sonnen news is out.

02:05:55.000 There's a reason why it's not that surprising.

02:05:57.000 It's not like...

02:06:00.000 Not the first thing he's cheated with.

02:06:01.000 People take things.

02:06:02.000 They just do.

02:06:03.000 And especially when you talk to a guy like Ensign who tells you that no one got tested and that the fucking contract said we will not test you for steroids.

02:06:10.000 And then in Brazil you can get steroids the same place you get gum.

02:06:14.000 I mean, take a pack of gum, some fucking horse steroids.

02:06:18.000 Go ahead and throw that in there too.

02:06:19.000 Something with a horse on the label.

02:06:21.000 Ooh, Calvin Gaslam and Nico Mussoke.

02:06:24.000 He's gotten so good.

02:06:25.000 Fuck yeah, his gaslims, striking.

02:06:27.000 Footwork is fucking awesome.

02:06:28.000 Ridiculous.

02:06:29.000 The looseness of his striking, his boxing against Rick Story was really, really impressive.

02:06:34.000 But fucking kids struggling to make weight.

02:06:38.000 And Mike Dolce is a motherfucker, dude.

02:06:40.000 Mike Dolce took a picture because after he lost, he didn't make weight again.

02:06:44.000 And they asked him why he stopped using Dolce.

02:06:46.000 He said, because Dolce was too expensive.

02:06:48.000 So Dolce took a picture of him.

02:06:50.000 Making weight easy at 170, and then he wrote, hashtag, worth every penny.

02:06:56.000 Which is fucked up.

02:06:58.000 It's true.

02:06:59.000 But there's Musoke.

02:07:03.000 I've never seen this kid.

02:07:04.000 Oh, he's good, man.

02:07:05.000 Yeah, I saw him for the first time last year.

02:07:11.000 Kelvin Gaslam, though, I'm wondering what it's going to be like with him coming off of that loss or coming off of that weight cut.

02:07:20.000 Because that's a hard weight cut that he didn't make.

02:07:23.000 He didn't make it.

02:07:24.000 Promotionally, and once again, man, if you're getting into this game...

02:07:29.000 Promotionally, it makes you so hard to deal with.

02:07:31.000 They hate that.

02:07:33.000 I mean, they hate that with a passion.

02:07:35.000 It's very hard to promote a guy who doesn't make weight.

02:07:38.000 It's how much do we put behind this guy?

02:07:39.000 I don't know if he's going to get on a scale and make it.

02:07:40.000 It can really, really kill your career.

02:07:42.000 It ruins the relevance of a fight.

02:07:44.000 Ruins it completely.

02:07:45.000 Yeah.

02:07:46.000 Well, we talked about it a little bit before, but is there a way that you can have guys weigh in the day of the fight?

02:07:54.000 Is there, I mean, my thought, I had a crazy idea, it's not a good idea, but you could have an understudy.

02:08:00.000 Like, you know how they do with Broadway?

02:08:02.000 Like, if a guy gets hurt, the show must go on.

02:08:04.000 They have a guy who actually knows the role, and he'll take the place if a guy gets sick or something like that.

02:08:09.000 Like, if a guy does not weigh in at a specific amount the day of the fight.

02:08:14.000 Commentators don't have those, by the way.

02:08:16.000 We've got to get on there whether we have a voice or not.

02:08:18.000 Yeah, we don't get drug tested either, though.

02:08:20.000 I wouldn't do so good in that.

02:08:23.000 I'd have a couple issues with that.

02:08:25.000 God damn it!

02:08:25.000 You want to get me to retire?

02:08:27.000 Implement drug testing for MMA commentators.

02:08:30.000 That's a wrap, son.

02:08:31.000 It's been great.

02:08:32.000 I'm out.

02:08:32.000 Sorry.

02:08:33.000 It's been great, but it's over.

02:08:36.000 He fought Saqqara.

02:08:37.000 That's who Musoke fought.

02:08:38.000 I saw him in Manchester.

02:08:40.000 He caught him in an arm bar, actually.

02:08:42.000 It was a great fight up until that, too.

02:08:44.000 It was a ridiculous fight.

02:08:45.000 So, understudies.

02:08:46.000 So, if the guy doesn't make weight, the other guy steps in.

02:08:48.000 Yeah.

02:08:49.000 So, the guy doesn't get any of his purse.

02:08:51.000 He gets no money if he doesn't make the weight.

02:08:53.000 So you keep guys from doing stupid shit, like trying to lose 30 pounds in a day, you know, which we've all seen.

02:09:00.000 We've all seen.

02:09:01.000 I saw Travis Luter.

02:09:02.000 I've never seen a guy closer to death that went on a fight.

02:09:05.000 Never saw a guy look so bad.

02:09:07.000 Travis Luter came in way overweight and tried real hard to make it, but the first time he was like two and a half over...

02:09:15.000 And then he couldn't lose anymore.

02:09:16.000 He tried really hard, but he was so drawn out.

02:09:19.000 The Silva fight, right?

02:09:20.000 So it was a non-title fight, and then he got stopped.

02:09:23.000 He got caught in a triangle and got elbowed.

02:09:25.000 He came close to winning that.

02:09:26.000 Got full mount in the first round.

02:09:28.000 I remember that going, God damn!

02:09:29.000 Travis Luter was a motherfucker.

02:09:32.000 He was one of those Texas-strong dudes.

02:09:35.000 Texas-tough-guy dudes who learned jiu-jitsu and got really fucking good.

02:09:39.000 I remember him taking tournaments out here.

02:09:41.000 Charles McCarthy.

02:09:42.000 I think beat Huron Gracie.

02:09:43.000 Charles McCarthy, who I really respect.

02:09:45.000 Did he beat Huron Gracie?

02:09:46.000 Really?

02:09:47.000 Huron or Henner?

02:09:48.000 Because a big tournament here, and he ended up winning it.

02:09:50.000 Luter ended up winning it.

02:09:51.000 And I know Huron and Henner were in it.

02:09:53.000 I think he beat one of them in the finals.

02:09:55.000 Charles McCarthy was on The Ultimate Fighter.

02:09:57.000 Please look that up and confirm whether I'm ready or not.

02:09:59.000 McCarthy said it was like rolling with Laborio.

02:10:02.000 He said he's fucking good.

02:10:03.000 And that's an incredible compliment.

02:10:05.000 Saying that he's like rolling with, I'll put up Travis Luter.

02:10:08.000 Travis Luter, jiu-jitsu.

02:10:10.000 Yeah, it was like an invitational out here.

02:10:13.000 He was a motherfucker, dude.

02:10:15.000 He was a motherfucker, just...

02:10:16.000 He gets trained too long with his own people.

02:10:19.000 Took too long before he eventually went to Jackson's.

02:10:22.000 And by then, um...

02:10:24.000 He wound up losing to Sapo to, uh...

02:10:28.000 Um...

02:10:28.000 What's his name?

02:10:30.000 Uh...

02:10:31.000 The guy who Tim Kennedy knocked out in Rafael Natal.

02:10:37.000 Yeah.

02:10:38.000 Remember that guy?

02:10:38.000 Oh, in the fight for the troops?

02:10:40.000 Yeah, fight for the troops.

02:10:41.000 I don't know if they have this jujitsu record.

02:10:43.000 Rich Franklin beat him up too.

02:10:45.000 He had a hand on his waist.

02:10:46.000 He just had no gas at all.

02:10:47.000 But he had Rich Franklin down and had him almost in an arm bar.

02:10:51.000 Travis Luter was a motherfucker.

02:10:53.000 He just didn't have good gas.

02:10:54.000 Rafael Natal was his last fight.

02:10:56.000 He got KO'd and that was 2010. That's what got Natal into the UFC. And before that he beat Jason McDonald.

02:11:05.000 He was a beast, man.

02:11:07.000 He was a beast.

02:11:08.000 But they cut him after the Rich Franklin fight.

02:11:11.000 Just never quite reached his full potential.

02:11:15.000 Wow, he got guillotined by Matt Lindland.

02:11:18.000 Matt Lindland was a motherfucker, dude.

02:11:20.000 People forget how goddamn good Matt Lindland was.

02:11:25.000 He was one of those guys who could beat anybody, but man, his style was just never fan-friendly.

02:11:34.000 Matt Lindland's never...

02:11:36.000 Well, I don't know.

02:11:38.000 You know that fan-friendly thing?

02:11:39.000 They say that about Askren, too.

02:11:41.000 To me, if you're a fan, you've got to be fascinated by everything.

02:11:44.000 I'm fascinated by the fact that he could take Douglas Lima down and ragdoll him like that.

02:11:49.000 I'm like, what the fuck?

02:11:51.000 What am I looking at?

02:11:52.000 I couldn't believe it.

02:11:53.000 I'm a fan of that, man.

02:11:55.000 I'm a fan of that.

02:11:56.000 You can't say that's not fan-friendly.

02:11:58.000 I was really bummed out when that Askren UFC thing didn't work out.

02:12:03.000 And when Dana White said that Ambien takes Ben Askren and wants to go to sleep.

02:12:11.000 I disagree.

02:12:12.000 I think we have to...

02:12:14.000 In order for a title to be legitimate, you have to see how a champion stands up to any and all challenges that are effective.

02:12:22.000 And just because it's not fan-friendly doesn't mean it's not effective.

02:12:26.000 If it's effective, if the better guy's gonna fucking win, you gotta let him fight any way they want.

02:12:31.000 The problem is...

02:12:33.000 Guys like us that are hardcore fans of sport...

02:12:38.000 What's hard for hardcore fans to understand is we aren't the target market.

02:12:42.000 Everybody wants the mom and pops of the world watching MMA. Hardcore fans tell me all the time, I should appreciate this, I'm a hardcore fan.

02:12:52.000 They're not after you.

02:12:54.000 They're after the regular Joe.

02:12:55.000 They already have you.

02:12:57.000 No one's trying to get Jimmy Smith and Joe Rogan to watch MMA. We're going to watch it anyway.

02:13:02.000 Yeah, we're doing this for free.

02:13:03.000 We're doing this for free!

02:13:05.000 I'm on vacation watching MMA with Joe Rogan.

02:13:08.000 He's like, you gotta make me do it.

02:13:09.000 Oh, Musoki just tagged him with the right hand.

02:13:12.000 Musoki's been hitting him with some high kicks over and over again, just into the forearms, but you both know, man, forearms are not designed to take fucking hard more than high kicks.

02:13:22.000 They are not.

02:13:22.000 That sucks.

02:13:22.000 Why don't you just take a bat and swing it at my...

02:13:24.000 Yeah.

02:13:25.000 People who see it at home, though, they go, oh, I blocked that.

02:13:28.000 No, he's hurt.

02:13:29.000 Like, that shit hurts like hell.

02:13:31.000 That's why I think I kick so much.

02:13:32.000 And it keeps you from punching.

02:13:34.000 Your arms are fucked up for a while.

02:13:35.000 Like, for a few seconds, you don't want to throw a punch with that arm because it's not feeling so good.

02:13:39.000 You don't want to punch, you don't want to move, you don't want to move your leg.

02:13:42.000 Robbie Lawler and Ellenberger, right off the bat, makes him check three or four of those with the forearms.

02:13:48.000 He blocks them, but goddamn, Lawler was slamming those in.

02:13:51.000 And that fucks your arms up.

02:13:54.000 I've seen Muay Thai fighters, man, laying in these stories about bathtubs full of ice.

02:13:58.000 You can't even move at the end.

02:14:00.000 And those are the ones that you blocked.

02:14:02.000 I talked to...

02:14:04.000 There was a dude named Shuki who used to be a trainer at Majiro Gym.

02:14:08.000 And he worked with Stan Longinidis.

02:14:09.000 Remember when Stan the man Longinidis broke Dennis Alexio's leg in the first round with a leg kick?

02:14:14.000 Stan had ridiculous power in his leg kicks.

02:14:17.000 And Shuki used to hold pads for him, and he had to get a hip replacement because of holding pads for Stan Longinitas.

02:14:24.000 Hold that leg pad, like, on the leg, and he would just take him on the hip, boom, boom!

02:14:29.000 Wind up getting a hip replacement.

02:14:30.000 Look at Musoki, meanwhile Musoki and Kelvin are in an epic fucking battle.

02:14:37.000 Kelvin's a beast, dude.

02:14:38.000 I was so impressed when he beat Uriah Hall.

02:14:41.000 Yeah.

02:14:42.000 How much did he miss weight by on this one?

02:14:44.000 Two pounds.

02:14:45.000 Two pounds?

02:14:45.000 Yeah.

02:14:46.000 Looking for a guillotine.

02:14:47.000 Oh, nice!

02:14:50.000 Where's Misoke from?

02:14:51.000 Sweden.

02:14:53.000 Huge wrestling background.

02:14:54.000 Not.

02:14:56.000 Look at Calvin.

02:14:57.000 He's got his back.

02:14:58.000 See, he's got to be thinking that Kelvin's fucking worn out from that weight cut.

02:15:02.000 Jump on him early.

02:15:03.000 Yeah, he's pushing such a hard pace.

02:15:05.000 Because Kelvin barely made weight on the undercard of the Johnny Hendricks fight.

02:15:12.000 The Johnny Hendricks-Robbie Lawler fight.

02:15:14.000 He was one of the ones that also struggled to make weight.

02:15:16.000 Barely made it.

02:15:17.000 But again, looked like he was on fucking death's door.

02:15:20.000 And that was back in Dallas.

02:15:23.000 And when you think about, you know, if you're not around the fight world a whole lot, if you think about everything you're losing for that two pounds, that should be an indication about physically hard, what you've gone through, that you're like, two pounds, I'm out.

02:15:36.000 20% of his purse is gone.

02:15:38.000 20% of your fucking purse to walk away and just go, I just can't do this.

02:15:42.000 And it goes to your opponent.

02:15:43.000 How much that fucking sucks?

02:15:45.000 It goes to the guy who's beating your ass right now.

02:15:47.000 It's just, imagine how hard those last ten pounds were.

02:15:50.000 They were awful.

02:15:51.000 Yeah.

02:15:52.000 Good control.

02:15:53.000 Both hooks in, man.

02:15:54.000 Real good control.

02:16:00.000 Yeah, Calvin, who knows how he's feeling right now.

02:16:03.000 Because if he actually missed the weight and just gave up, he must have been really fucking hurting.

02:16:08.000 Yeah, really trying.

02:16:09.000 Look at that fight night.

02:16:11.000 The Donald Cerrone, Jim Miller, that fight's coming up.

02:16:14.000 It's going to be good.

02:16:15.000 That's another one that makes my hands sweaty.

02:16:21.000 Nico's, like I said, he's from Sweden.

02:16:24.000 One of Gustafson's buddies.

02:16:27.000 He's very well-rounded, man.

02:16:30.000 Super aggressive, too.

02:16:32.000 What do they start with over there, martial art-wise?

02:16:34.000 I think MMA. I mean, I don't think they have, like...

02:16:38.000 I mean, I'm sure they have karate schools, and I'm sure they have some Muay Thai, but they don't have a wrestling background in their educational system.

02:16:47.000 I tried to explain to somebody in Minnesota on air to Bellator one time.

02:16:51.000 I said, America is generally wrestling.

02:16:53.000 Europe, they like kickboxing.

02:16:54.000 Brazil is jiu-jitsu.

02:16:55.000 That's generally the base people start out with.

02:16:57.000 Europe, kickboxing you make a living at.

02:17:00.000 They have slam.

02:17:00.000 They have a lot of good promotions out there.

02:17:02.000 Generally, if they're from Europe, kickboxing is where they start out.

02:17:08.000 Sophie's doing a great job with that left butterfly.

02:17:10.000 Oh, look, Kelvin turns him over and he's on top.

02:17:13.000 15 seconds to go, though.

02:17:15.000 You've got to do some damage if you want to win this round.

02:17:17.000 You can't just let him hold on to you.

02:17:21.000 Huh.

02:17:21.000 And he will.

02:17:23.000 Yeah.

02:17:25.000 Kelvin's not getting anything off here.

02:17:28.000 Ooh, good right hand.

02:17:29.000 Nice.

02:17:30.000 Nice punch at the bell.

02:17:31.000 Yeah.

02:17:32.000 Yeah, Europe generally...

02:17:33.000 Sambo, man.

02:17:34.000 It's amazing how many Sambo guys are fucking starting to trickle into MMA now and just dominate.

02:17:39.000 Those Russians are the Dagestanis?

02:17:41.000 Yeah, the Dagestanis, man.

02:17:44.000 Frightening.

02:17:44.000 That is a hard place.

02:17:46.000 Fuck.

02:17:47.000 That is a hard place with hard men.

02:17:52.000 When Shabalat Shamalaya was going to fight Pat Kern for the belt, Pat Kern goes, hey man, they have to kill me to take this belt away.

02:17:59.000 And he looked right at him and goes, sure, I'm from Dagestan.

02:18:02.000 It was hilarious!

02:18:03.000 I forget what they were talking about.

02:18:06.000 He goes, someone's going to have to kill me to take my belt, like the general American.

02:18:09.000 He goes, sure.

02:18:21.000 I'm from one of the worst places on earth to grow up and live.

02:18:25.000 I mean, you could live in Africa in the jungle with, you know, leopards and shit.

02:18:29.000 It'd probably be worse.

02:18:32.000 Not much.

02:18:32.000 Not a whole lot.

02:18:34.000 Every guy they interviewed had fucking cauliflower ear.

02:18:38.000 And the guy was like, it's not that we're terrorists.

02:18:41.000 He's like, you killed my brother.

02:18:43.000 You kill my brother, I'm going to fucking kill you.

02:18:45.000 And he had fucking gnarly ears.

02:18:47.000 I was like, that is what you're doing.

02:18:49.000 You're pissing off a country full of wrestlers.

02:18:51.000 Calvin looks so good on his feet.

02:18:54.000 So light on his feet.

02:18:56.000 And that's something that he started getting after the Ultimate Fighter.

02:19:00.000 But again, Musoki keeps landing that right kick over and over and over again into the southpaw.

02:19:06.000 Oh, nice!

02:19:07.000 Oh, Kelvin with a good straight left.

02:19:09.000 Oh, good combination.

02:19:11.000 Right hook and a straight.

02:19:12.000 Oh, nice uppercut.

02:19:13.000 You know, I think Calvin thinks he hurt Nico at the end of that round.

02:19:17.000 Those couple shots ground and pound he landed.

02:19:19.000 Yeah, good kick to the body.

02:19:21.000 Oh, fuck.

02:19:21.000 He's all over him.

02:19:22.000 Gotta get off the fence.

02:19:23.000 Problem is, he's getting against the fence.

02:19:25.000 His feet are squaring up.

02:19:26.000 Calvin is a fucking monster, man.

02:19:28.000 That's a tough kid.

02:19:30.000 It's just, for me, it's a matter of him being healthy at this weight.

02:19:34.000 I think he can't do it if he uses a guy like Dolce.

02:19:37.000 He's got to diet better, because you can just look at him and be like, yeah, he could lose some pounds.

02:19:40.000 I see a good five, six pounds there.

02:19:43.000 Yeah, just get with Dolce, bro.

02:19:45.000 Pay him the money.

02:19:47.000 It ain't 20%, okay?

02:19:49.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

02:19:50.000 You lost 20% of your purse.

02:19:51.000 Pay Dolce.

02:19:53.000 He knows his shit.

02:19:54.000 Yeah.

02:19:55.000 He gets everybody on weight.

02:19:56.000 Everybody.

02:19:56.000 And they look great.

02:19:58.000 How about Tiago Alves?

02:19:59.000 He had Tiago Alves 170 pounds the day before the weigh-in.

02:20:02.000 And looked smaller.

02:20:04.000 Looked like he lost a little bit of muscle.

02:20:06.000 But man, had a great gas tank.

02:20:07.000 Moved well.

02:20:08.000 That's the difference.

02:20:10.000 It's like, do you want to go Tyron Woodley, where you're so big that you're super explosive for a minute and a half, two minutes, three minutes?

02:20:17.000 I think psychologically, a lot of times for fighters, it's kind of a security blanket to be big and swole, and they don't feel like they'll be able to win without it.

02:20:25.000 It's more like the confidence of being the bigger, stronger guy, but it's not worth the tradeoff a lot of times.

02:20:30.000 Yeah, it's not worth it.

02:20:31.000 It really is.

02:20:31.000 Losing your gas is the scariest thing ever.

02:20:33.000 Oh, that's the worst.

02:20:34.000 You have another person trying to beat you to death and you're tired.

02:20:37.000 Beat you to death.

02:20:38.000 If there wasn't a ref in there, that person could kill you.

02:20:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:20:42.000 No one would save him.

02:20:43.000 There's a great story of George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, when they were fighting in Zaire.

02:20:49.000 And it's like, you know, the 7th or 8th round, it's almost over.

02:20:51.000 And he goes, I had nothing left.

02:20:53.000 And he goes, I hit Ali with a good one.

02:20:55.000 A good body shot.

02:20:56.000 And I heard him go, is that all you got?

02:20:58.000 And I remember thinking, yeah, that's about it.

02:21:01.000 And there's that moment of going, alright, that's...

02:21:05.000 Ah, fuck.

02:21:06.000 I'm out of gas.

02:21:07.000 That's the worst feeling.

02:21:08.000 Oh, Kelvin's all over him again.

02:21:09.000 Beautiful combination.

02:21:11.000 Knee, he hit him with an elbow.

02:21:13.000 Caught him on the elbow with that foot, though.

02:21:15.000 That would have hurt.

02:21:16.000 Oh, another one to the body.

02:21:18.000 Oh, good body kick.

02:21:20.000 Good blocking too.

02:21:22.000 Kelvin has improved so much and changed so much in the way he moves.

02:21:26.000 Oh, nice.

02:21:27.000 Step off to the side and throw that left kick to the body.

02:21:29.000 His footwork's good.

02:21:30.000 That's what's setting everything up.

02:21:31.000 Angles.

02:21:32.000 He's cutting enough angles that he can't see it coming.

02:21:34.000 He's also light on his feet, which is a rarity in MMA. That's a really important thing to have that mobility that you see so often in boxing and karate and a lot of other martial arts.

02:21:44.000 But in MMA, so many guys are trying to like Muay Thai it.

02:21:47.000 Stand flat foot.

02:21:48.000 Or wrestling.

02:21:49.000 Wrestling's very flat footed.

02:21:51.000 Yep.

02:21:51.000 Yeah, the accuracy rate on 100% punch is so slim compared to if you land four 50% shots.

02:21:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:59.000 You get someone, you know, wobbled.

02:22:00.000 Yeah, and the footwork that you're able to achieve by being light on your feet, like the TJ Dillashaw-Hennenborough fight where he's so light on his feet that Hennenborough never had a stationary target to load up on.

02:22:12.000 Yeah.

02:22:12.000 All those spinning kicks, he was always pivoting at the same side.

02:22:17.000 Yep, he was always pivoting at the same side.

02:22:18.000 He was following them like an elevator door.

02:22:20.000 Or like one of those revolving doors.

02:22:23.000 Just get in it, follow the door.

02:22:26.000 Calvin's all over him, though.

02:22:28.000 Won't let him off the fence, either.

02:22:30.000 This is the Calvin Gaslam round, man.

02:22:32.000 He's put a beating on Nico.

02:22:34.000 So, put to rest any thoughts about him being completely diminished by the weight cut.

02:22:39.000 He's obviously got a lot in his fucking tank, man.

02:22:42.000 And Nico's exhausted.

02:22:46.000 He's getting broke right now.

02:22:47.000 That's the thing that, you know, they used to not test for EPO, which is kind of hilarious.

02:22:53.000 Because boxing, the boxing commission, they would say that boxing is not an endurance sport, so you don't have to test for EPO. Yeah.

02:23:00.000 Okay.

02:23:02.000 Spoken like someone who's never done it before.

02:23:04.000 That dumb, and they're a part of the commission that's judging.

02:23:08.000 Yeah.

02:23:09.000 What gets passed and tested for?

02:23:11.000 Maybe it was like EPO was too expensive to test for.

02:23:14.000 EPO, they developed a test in, I want to say 2000, for EPO for the first time.

02:23:21.000 That's what Lance Armstrong was doping with.

02:23:23.000 Shane Mosley got popped for it.

02:23:25.000 Shane Mosley got popped for it.

02:23:26.000 Yeah, they found some old blood of his.

02:23:29.000 They're like, hey, let's give this a shot.

02:23:32.000 It looks like you got some weird blood, dude.

02:23:36.000 That's 50% more blood cells than a normal person's blood.

02:23:39.000 Hmm.

02:23:40.000 How weird.

02:23:41.000 This has turned out to be a good fight, though.

02:23:42.000 Very good.

02:23:44.000 Yeah, I don't know what they're going to do if they do wind up testing everybody and they find out that the roster's just overrun with people that are on everything.

02:23:52.000 Yeah.

02:23:53.000 You know, if they can test...

02:23:56.000 You said there's too many people in MMA. I didn't really say it.

02:23:59.000 That's a good way to call the herd, my friend.

02:24:01.000 I was asking.

02:24:03.000 I was asking.

02:24:04.000 Ugh.

02:24:05.000 What do you...

02:24:06.000 I mean, what do they do?

02:24:08.000 What do they do if they find out, like, 60% of the people?

02:24:11.000 They cut 60% of the people?

02:24:13.000 Now, how...

02:24:13.000 If they start this procedure, how long does it take to get out of your system?

02:24:17.000 Like, how long will they...

02:24:18.000 That's a good question.

02:24:19.000 That's the question, is if everybody cut now...

02:24:21.000 Someone's already got it figured out.

02:24:22.000 It's too late, yeah.

02:24:24.000 There's some fucking guy out there that knows his shit.

02:24:29.000 I was listening to the Balco guy talk about it.

02:24:32.000 There's always someone a step ahead.

02:24:33.000 Because someone's still got to sell all that shit and figure everything out.

02:24:39.000 I guarantee everything's already being very well planned.

02:24:43.000 I wonder.

02:24:43.000 I wonder if there's a new thing that they can take now that you can't test for.

02:24:48.000 Dopers are always ahead of the system.

02:24:49.000 Always.

02:24:50.000 They have to be.

02:24:50.000 By definition, they are.

02:24:52.000 Because people have to do things.

02:24:54.000 That is the system.

02:24:56.000 People do stuff.

02:24:57.000 They do stuff that's illegal.

02:24:58.000 And the testers figure it out and catch them.

02:25:00.000 But they're always lagging behind.

02:25:02.000 Right.

02:25:03.000 It was originally made EPO for leukemia patients.

02:25:06.000 They had trouble keeping their red blood cell count up.

02:25:09.000 So it never occurred to them that somebody would take that in order to...

02:25:13.000 Help their endurance, and then they started taking it, and now they had to make a test for it.

02:25:16.000 So that's the cycle.

02:25:18.000 They make it for something, and then someone figures out how to cheat with it, and then they figure out how to catch them.

02:25:22.000 The people who are trying to catch the people are always at the end of the process.

02:25:27.000 I'm ignorant as to how it's all done, so I don't know whether or not this is a stupid question, but is there a point in time where they run out of things?

02:25:38.000 There's no more things that you could add to the human body...

02:25:41.000 That they haven't already discovered.

02:25:43.000 So there's no more things that you could add that they can't test for.

02:25:47.000 Like the clear stuff.

02:25:49.000 We had that guy on the podcast, Victor Conte, and he was talking about the whole BALCO scandal.

02:25:54.000 And what I found really interesting about it was that he just had altered some stuff and made it so it was not within their testing parameters but still effective.

02:26:03.000 At a certain point in time, do they run out of those variations?

02:26:06.000 Yeah.

02:26:07.000 I don't know.

02:26:08.000 I find it hard to believe.

02:26:13.000 Mikel Ferrari, who was a doctor who dealt with Lance Armstrong and helped him through his Tour de France, of course, helped him dope, was asked one time, have we seen the limits of human endurance, the capacity for human endurance?

02:26:28.000 And he turned to the guy and he laughed and he goes, we're nowhere near it.

02:26:32.000 I mean, they're always going to come up with something.

02:26:34.000 It's going to be this cycle for years.

02:26:37.000 When they say that, though, what I hear, though, is genetic engineering, and I hear things like myostatin inhibitors and all the different shit that they're inevitably going to come up with down the pipe.

02:26:48.000 But I wonder if they're going to be able to come up with new steroids.

02:26:52.000 Because I think genetic engineering is a completely different ballgame.

02:26:56.000 Completely different.

02:26:56.000 But also, think about it.

02:26:58.000 Will there be a cure for cancer?

02:27:00.000 Yeah, we can sit here and go, yeah, eventually.

02:27:02.000 So they've got to come up with something.

02:27:03.000 It's like saying, will there be new steroids?

02:27:05.000 Will there be new medical advances for other things?

02:27:08.000 Yeah.

02:27:08.000 Then there are going to be new ways to improve the human body.

02:27:11.000 And I think we'll be playing this game probably the rest of our lives.

02:27:16.000 I wonder.

02:27:17.000 Until they have robots doing this shit.

02:27:19.000 Until it's like the Fox intro in real life.

02:27:22.000 I hate those fucking robots.

02:27:25.000 Oh, I know you do.

02:27:26.000 I had to bring that up.

02:27:27.000 I hate those fucking robots.

02:27:29.000 This isn't football.

02:27:29.000 So goofy.

02:27:30.000 They're picking up robots and slamming them.

02:27:32.000 I'm like, what?

02:27:33.000 Looks like a Transformers commercial.

02:27:34.000 Well, that movie.

02:27:35.000 Remember that movie?

02:27:36.000 I didn't watch it for a specific reason.

02:27:38.000 The fucking Wolverine guy was in it.

02:27:40.000 Hugh Jackman.

02:27:41.000 Hugh Jackman.

02:27:41.000 Yeah.

02:27:42.000 There was Robot Fighters, remember?

02:27:44.000 He put the gloves on and was so scary.

02:27:47.000 Who fucking funded that movie?

02:27:49.000 I don't know.

02:27:50.000 That shit is so terrible.

02:27:51.000 Oh, Kelvin threw a kick and fell.

02:27:53.000 Another slip.

02:27:53.000 A lot of slipping in this fucking octagon, man, especially with logos.

02:27:57.000 Do you find a difference in certain logos being more slippery than others?

02:28:00.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:01.000 Yeah?

02:28:01.000 It's a different surface, but...

02:28:03.000 I mean, you're...

02:28:05.000 I get this weird heightened sensation in my feet when I'm out there moving, and...

02:28:09.000 Like, if I just step on that canvas, I'm like, oh...

02:28:13.000 I got a boner in my feet.

02:28:15.000 It's all tingly and I'm just dancing.

02:28:17.000 I just feel this fucking...

02:28:18.000 Foot boner.

02:28:19.000 It's a weird...

02:28:20.000 But yeah, you do feel a definite...

02:28:22.000 Especially if there's blood on it.

02:28:23.000 Blood is the body's best lubricant.

02:28:25.000 That shit gets on something...

02:28:29.000 Yeah.

02:28:30.000 Very slippery.

02:28:31.000 It's why it's interesting when guys get cut, it actually makes them easier to choke.

02:28:36.000 Way easier.

02:28:37.000 Slide things under their chin easier.

02:28:40.000 This is a good fucking fight.

02:28:42.000 Calvin's coming out strong.

02:28:43.000 Nice body shots.

02:28:45.000 Whip that right hand to the body.

02:28:50.000 And that's what I mean.

02:28:51.000 Guys cut, they make these horrible cuts, and they perform great.

02:28:54.000 It's just, I mean, it's just hard to...

02:28:56.000 It's like, come on, motherfucker.

02:28:57.000 Yeah.

02:28:58.000 He's got to perform great.

02:28:59.000 His back's up against the wall.

02:29:00.000 The UFC fucking hates it when guys miss weight.

02:29:04.000 I mean, Beltor hates it too.

02:29:05.000 This is his second or third?

02:29:06.000 They hate it.

02:29:07.000 I don't think he missed weight last time.

02:29:09.000 He made it.

02:29:09.000 He just needed a second attempt.

02:29:11.000 No, I know he didn't.

02:29:12.000 I was there.

02:29:13.000 But this is his first...

02:29:16.000 We fought at 185 on the show, and so he's fighting at 170 here.

02:29:21.000 He's a 170. He can make 170, but he's got to do it more correctly and with more discipline.

02:29:27.000 Oh, high kick.

02:29:28.000 But he's still a bad motherfucker, dude.

02:29:30.000 He is.

02:29:30.000 Those two high kicks in a row.

02:29:32.000 Sweet.

02:29:32.000 And he still has good footwork from the beginning of the fight to the end of the fight.

02:29:35.000 Good footwork.

02:29:35.000 Very good.

02:29:36.000 Yeah.

02:29:37.000 Light on his feet.

02:29:38.000 He's...

02:29:38.000 Keep racking that thing.

02:29:40.000 And they were exchanging them back and forth.

02:29:42.000 Something big in fighting.

02:29:43.000 Don't set a pace you can't keep.

02:29:45.000 Don't do something in the first round you can't do in the third round.

02:29:47.000 He kept it up all three rounds.

02:29:49.000 Yeah, he did.

02:29:49.000 And Musouki didn't.

02:29:51.000 Interesting fight, man.

02:29:53.000 Interesting fight.

02:29:53.000 I wonder who got that.

02:29:55.000 I think that's the one that goes through my head the most in a fight is, don't stop moving.

02:29:58.000 Don't stop moving.

02:29:59.000 Don't stop moving.

02:30:00.000 I landed 43 leg kicks, I think Ariel Helwani said in my last fight.

02:30:05.000 That was just legs.

02:30:06.000 I kicked him in the body and the head a little bit.

02:30:08.000 But I mean, I landed 43. I mean, the whole time I was just going...

02:30:13.000 I think I landed one every 20 seconds.

02:30:15.000 I was always thinking if I'm hitting him, he's not hitting me.

02:30:18.000 If I just keep hitting him...

02:30:20.000 Make him miss too.

02:30:21.000 Make him miss, man.

02:30:22.000 As long as you keep it up.

02:30:23.000 Keep doing that.

02:30:25.000 Angles and footwork.

02:30:26.000 What is the best thing for strength and conditioning?

02:30:30.000 Is there any one thing?

02:30:32.000 Is it fight training?

02:30:33.000 Or is strength and conditioning just as important as fight training when it comes to that?

02:30:39.000 With the way the athletes are in this sport now, strength and conditioning is huge.

02:30:43.000 And I mean, we just kind of started putting it out on the internet.

02:30:48.000 We have these 50-gallon barrels.

02:30:50.000 My coach, Corey Beasley at Fight Camp Conditioning, you know who John Brookfield is?

02:30:55.000 No.

02:30:56.000 He's the guy who started the ropes and the towels and all the shit.

02:30:59.000 Oh, he started all that stuff?

02:31:00.000 He's got the world's strongest grip.

02:31:01.000 He's just some little walrus who pulls trucks and shit.

02:31:05.000 But he's kind of given this barrel idea to Corey, and you put 500 pounds of sand in a big plastic barrel, and you push and pull and kind of roll it.

02:31:15.000 You can check it out on my Instagram, Uncle Creepy MMA. And you just roll this thing back and forth, and it's fucking...

02:31:22.000 I've never had something make me so strong in my entire life.

02:31:25.000 I mean, obviously, besides wrestling, but...

02:31:27.000 You can't...

02:31:31.000 You can't not have the training, drilling.

02:31:33.000 You have to drill something 10,000.

02:31:34.000 You want to master anything, you have to drill it for 10,000 hours.

02:31:36.000 It's true.

02:31:37.000 You have to do everything, and we've got so much shit to try and master.

02:31:41.000 But that sounds crazy.

02:31:43.000 So you're grabbing this giant barrel, and what are you specifically trying to do with it?

02:31:48.000 Think about from a clinch, you know how like Johnny Hendricks...

02:31:51.000 Huge though, right?

02:31:52.000 Can you even get your arms around it?

02:31:53.000 No, no, no.

02:31:54.000 There's a top on it.

02:31:55.000 Okay.

02:31:55.000 And then you sit there and you grab it and you grab it here and you twist it.

02:31:59.000 So you've got 500 pounds that you're twisting back and forth.

02:32:01.000 It's core.

02:32:01.000 Or you're pushing and pulling and all the muscles throughout the whole part of it are...

02:32:05.000 I mean, the first couple times you do it, you're like, holy shit.

02:32:09.000 Wow.

02:32:09.000 I don't think I've ever used these muscles before.

02:32:12.000 Let me pull it up for you.

02:32:13.000 It's fucking...

02:32:13.000 Yeah, I'm trying to find it.

02:32:14.000 I'm on your Instagram right now.

02:32:15.000 Calvin Gaslam wins the decision.

02:32:18.000 It's a...

02:32:19.000 No, give that money to Dolce, son.

02:32:22.000 Yeah.

02:32:23.000 Call Dolce.

02:32:23.000 You got a cool picture of your daughter getting into the cryo thing.

02:32:26.000 That's adorable.

02:32:28.000 You got it?

02:32:29.000 Oh, he's got it up here.

02:32:30.000 Here, pull it up.

02:32:31.000 Give it to us in large size.

02:32:34.000 There we go.

02:32:34.000 And there's a video of it, too.

02:32:38.000 So that's 500 fucking pounds.

02:32:41.000 Yeah, that's the sand.

02:32:42.000 There's one of water too that's...

02:32:44.000 Oh my god.

02:32:45.000 Where's the video?

02:32:47.000 It's a little bit down.

02:32:48.000 How long ago did you put it up?

02:32:50.000 A couple weeks.

02:32:51.000 A couple weeks ago.

02:32:52.000 Are you a daily Instagrammer guy?

02:32:54.000 Yeah, I'm an Instagram whore.

02:32:56.000 Are you?

02:32:57.000 I don't run...

02:32:59.000 There is other people that do post things on my Instagram, my Facebook, my Twitter, so if I don't fucking say thanks for...

02:33:06.000 If people fucking send me private messages all the time and I don't...

02:33:09.000 Right.

02:33:10.000 I have a real hard time keeping up with those.

02:33:12.000 This hip workout you're doing is giving me some wood, bro.

02:33:15.000 I'm not even going to lie about it.

02:33:16.000 Like, not even...

02:33:17.000 That's, you know...

02:33:19.000 Granted, my girlfriend only weighs like 95 pounds.

02:33:21.000 Check it out, Joe.

02:33:22.000 I'm passing the wood on to you.

02:33:23.000 Did you see that?

02:33:23.000 Yeah.

02:33:24.000 Yeah, go ahead.

02:33:25.000 It's man wood, though.

02:33:26.000 I'll split you in half.

02:33:27.000 It's not gay.

02:33:27.000 It's totally different.

02:33:28.000 It's man wood.

02:33:28.000 It's wild, man.

02:33:29.000 It's MMA wood.

02:33:30.000 So this is just a sequence that you go through.

02:33:32.000 Wow, this hip escape thing that you're doing with the weight on you, how much weight is that?

02:33:37.000 I don't know.

02:33:38.000 It looks like a lot of weight.

02:33:39.000 I don't know.

02:33:42.000 It's three plates, right?

02:33:43.000 Oh, it's up there.

02:33:43.000 I don't know.

02:33:44.000 It's a lot of weight.

02:33:46.000 I don't know.

02:33:46.000 I've gotten kind of strong.

02:33:48.000 I love how you say, like, whatever.

02:33:49.000 I don't even know, dude.

02:33:50.000 You can do it.

02:33:51.000 I've been doing it.

02:33:51.000 Don't even know, bro.

02:33:52.000 I've been working with Corey for a long time.

02:33:53.000 Don't even know.

02:33:54.000 He tells me what to do.

02:33:55.000 It looks like a 45, two 35s, and a 25. What is that?

02:34:01.000 145 on each side is 135. Is that 235s?

02:34:05.000 It is, right?

02:34:06.000 235s and 25?

02:34:08.000 That's a lot of fucking weight, son.

02:34:11.000 That's a lot of weight, and that's a normal Olympic barbell, right?

02:34:13.000 Yeah.

02:34:14.000 Jesus Christ, kid.

02:34:17.000 That's got to be really good for your fucking back.

02:34:19.000 Your back and core must be tremendously strong.

02:34:21.000 Yeah.

02:34:22.000 It's fun, and it's something that we're trying to...

02:34:25.000 Everyone's into CrossFit, and CrossFit's cool or whatever, but...

02:34:29.000 Well, what is CrossFit?

02:34:30.000 Yeah.

02:34:30.000 You know, cross-training.

02:34:31.000 Just adding a bunch of different types of exercises.

02:34:33.000 Exactly.

02:34:34.000 It's, you know, it's what I like to do, and I've gotten good at it, and we've kind of built a system.

02:34:39.000 But yeah, again, the barrels is the toughest thing that I've never felt something make me so strong.

02:34:44.000 That's wild.

02:34:44.000 I love that thing that you're doing up there with the weight, too, because that lifting the hips up like that, first of all, it must drastically increase your ability to send it home on a chick.

02:34:54.000 Right?

02:34:55.000 Dude.

02:34:56.000 We're all thinking it.

02:34:56.000 Who fucks harder than Uncle Creepy?

02:34:58.000 We're all thinking it.

02:34:59.000 Have you seen my girlfriend?

02:35:00.000 You've got to send it in.

02:35:01.000 You've got to keep a gal happy.

02:35:03.000 Ooh, look at this.

02:35:04.000 Next.

02:35:04.000 Cub Swanson and Jeremy Stevens.

02:35:05.000 Five rounds, too.

02:35:06.000 If it goes.

02:35:07.000 Do you think it'll go five rounds?

02:35:10.000 No.

02:35:10.000 I don't think so.

02:35:11.000 Jeremy Stevens rocking a crazy Amish beard.

02:35:16.000 Yeah, I probably won't go five rounds.

02:35:18.000 But that's got to be tremendous for your ground game when it comes to hip escapes and things like that, to have that ability to pop up off the strength of that.

02:35:28.000 It's amazing.

02:35:29.000 And you're fighting guys 125 pounds, and you're doing that with whatever the fuck that was, however much weight that was.

02:35:34.000 Yeah.

02:35:35.000 It was, uh, you know, that's something that, that actually we, I, I was talking to my, to the Onnit guys about taking, doing the takeover thing and then trying to do, instead of like Cub did just, just him, I was thinking of doing me and strength conditioning stuff because it's all, it's Onnit kind of stuff.

02:35:49.000 Yeah.

02:35:49.000 But, uh, that, that's our, that's our, our new, our thing.

02:35:53.000 It's, you know, just fight camp conditioning.

02:35:55.000 It's, it's fun and it's, you know, it actually, we, it, it fucking works obviously.

02:35:59.000 Yeah.

02:35:59.000 I, you know, if someone weighs 125 pounds, I'm going to fucking send them for a ride.

02:36:03.000 Yeah.

02:36:03.000 Yeah, I mean, I think what you had there was 325 pounds, wasn't it?

02:36:09.000 Let's figure it out, because it's 145 plate on each side with an Olympic barbell is 135 pounds, right?

02:36:17.000 Right.

02:36:18.000 And then you add 235s on each side, which is 140 to that, so you have 275, and then you have 225s on that as well, so that's another 50 pounds.

02:36:30.000 Yeah.

02:36:30.000 So that's 325 pounds.

02:36:32.000 That's fucking crazy.

02:36:33.000 That's a lot of goddamn weight.

02:36:35.000 That's a lot of weight.

02:36:37.000 You know, if you had a big girl on top of you, she's like, motherfucker, you can't send it in.

02:36:42.000 Dude, I would just...

02:36:44.000 Just lifting her up while you fuck her from the bottom.

02:36:47.000 She'd be like, damn, that little white boy fucked me right.

02:36:50.000 I don't know why I made her a black check.

02:36:51.000 I don't know why, I was just throwing that in there.

02:36:53.000 They get that big, I just automatically think they're black.

02:36:55.000 That's just what I think.

02:36:57.000 I let my dick do all the work.

02:36:58.000 I don't know if you guys need all these weights and shit.

02:37:00.000 Listen, sometimes you need a little help.

02:37:02.000 That's not what I'm saying.

02:37:03.000 I'm not all dick.

02:37:05.000 I'm like 40% dick.

02:37:08.000 I let my dick do all the work.

02:37:09.000 I don't need this hip exercise shit.

02:37:10.000 Cub Swanson has got one of the wildest, most unpredictable styles of attack.

02:37:15.000 His fight with Dennis Seaver, the last combination when he had him hurt, he was so fucking accurate and just ridiculously wild.

02:37:26.000 Real wild, but super accurate.

02:37:29.000 Explosive, man.

02:37:30.000 He does all of his strength and conditioning while balancing.

02:37:32.000 He'll do weightlifting stuff while he's standing on balls and stuff.

02:37:36.000 What are those balls?

02:37:39.000 Medicine balls?

02:37:39.000 They're not medicine balls.

02:37:41.000 Balance balls?

02:37:42.000 Plyo balls, whatever you call them.

02:37:43.000 But he does all that stuff.

02:37:45.000 He'll stand on half balls and do kettlebells.

02:37:48.000 Everything he does, he's doing with balance.

02:37:52.000 Jeremy Stevens is a motherfucker, though.

02:37:53.000 That kid is hard.

02:37:55.000 Heavy-handed, man.

02:37:56.000 He is hard.

02:37:57.000 And he hit hard as a lightweight.

02:38:00.000 He kept all that power going to 45, and that's a rare thing.

02:38:04.000 Well, he's healthy.

02:38:05.000 He's doing it real good.

02:38:06.000 Alliance is a serious fucking team, man.

02:38:08.000 And he fucking knocks people out over there all the time.

02:38:11.000 Does he really?

02:38:11.000 He's a fucking...

02:38:12.000 He's a lot of fun to hang out with, but he's a fucking savage in the gym.

02:38:17.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

02:38:18.000 He's an interesting guy to talk to.

02:38:20.000 I enjoy talking to him.

02:38:21.000 Smart guy.

02:38:22.000 Yeah, I had him on the podcast.

02:38:23.000 He was great.

02:38:24.000 He's an interesting dude, but his fucking power is redonkulous.

02:38:29.000 But Cub is just so awkward.

02:38:31.000 Can he deal with the angles and the explosives?

02:38:34.000 That's the question.

02:38:36.000 Yeah, Cub's a wild man.

02:38:38.000 I would like to see Ryu match a Cub versus Aldo.

02:38:40.000 Yeah.

02:38:40.000 You know?

02:38:41.000 Yeah.

02:38:41.000 I mean, Aldo caught him.

02:38:43.000 You can't...

02:38:44.000 Blinked him with that double flying knee, man.

02:38:46.000 That double knee.

02:38:47.000 Jesus.

02:38:47.000 It is what it is.

02:38:48.000 You know, you get hit with that, that's a wrap.

02:38:50.000 Your head split open.

02:38:51.000 I mean, he covered up immediately.

02:38:53.000 He had a big-ass scar.

02:38:56.000 But I would like to see what would happen if that fight...

02:38:59.000 Well, that was a different Cub Swanson then, too.

02:39:01.000 I mean, Aldo was at his peak then.

02:39:03.000 He's still...

02:39:04.000 I don't think Aldo has diminished at all.

02:39:06.000 Everyone else has gotten better.

02:39:07.000 Yeah.

02:39:08.000 He's slowed down a little bit because he plays it a little bit more safe because he's got so much to lose.

02:39:14.000 And he's bigger.

02:39:15.000 He's gotten bigger.

02:39:16.000 I don't think the dude wants to go to 155 because if he goes to 155, he's not going to have his title.

02:39:23.000 Title means a lot.

02:39:24.000 Being a world champion means a lot.

02:39:26.000 And as long as he can make the weight, it's going to be real hard unless they have some sort of a super fight.

02:39:31.000 Now, if they had a super fight...

02:39:34.000 And it was, if I win, I'm the 5-pound champ.

02:39:36.000 If I lose, I'm still the 45-pound champ.

02:39:37.000 I think you'd take that.

02:39:38.000 Yes.

02:39:38.000 I think that's the way to do it.

02:39:40.000 I think that's the way to get him in.

02:39:41.000 But, you know, when a guy like Aldo, man, he's a fucking hero in Brazil.

02:39:46.000 He's a hero.

02:39:47.000 Yeah.

02:39:48.000 He's a huge star.

02:39:49.000 And as a mixed martial artist, man, to be a world champion is where it's at.

02:39:54.000 Yeah.

02:39:54.000 He is a world fucking champion.

02:39:56.000 Yeah.

02:39:57.000 It's the one thing, man.

02:39:59.000 That fucking weight cut.

02:40:01.000 If he went 55 once, I don't think he would go 55 again.

02:40:04.000 Really?

02:40:05.000 Because, I mean, he just seems like he would put on too much weight.

02:40:10.000 And then it would just be fucking death to get down.

02:40:12.000 Like it wasn't hard before.

02:40:14.000 Once you taste...

02:40:15.000 What it's like to not cut that, yeah, it's hard to get back down again.

02:40:18.000 And if he tasted what it's like to feel good when you're actually inside.

02:40:22.000 It could be a good change, you never know.

02:40:23.000 It could be, because I think he has a good chance against Pettis.

02:40:26.000 I think he has a good chance in that fight.

02:40:28.000 You know who else has a good chance in that fight?

02:40:30.000 Pettis.

02:40:31.000 Yep, very good.

02:40:32.000 That's the problem.

02:40:34.000 Pettis has a good chance, too.

02:40:35.000 That's why it's a great fight.

02:40:35.000 So if Aldo goes up and gets KO'd by Pettis, you know, but Pettis said he could make 145, man.

02:40:41.000 He said he could make it.

02:40:42.000 Yeah, Pettis is not a huge 55er.

02:40:44.000 No.

02:40:44.000 No, he's not.

02:40:45.000 Fucking slick, man.

02:40:46.000 Jesus.

02:40:47.000 So slick.

02:40:48.000 Really good on the ground, too.

02:40:49.000 That's what people sleep on.

02:40:50.000 When he caught Henderson with that armbar, I mean, that was a standard...

02:40:55.000 BJJ 101 armbar from the guard.

02:40:58.000 But done well.

02:41:00.000 Done perfectly.

02:41:01.000 Nice adjustment.

02:41:02.000 He changed the angle.

02:41:04.000 He's what, a blue belt, I think, they were saying?

02:41:06.000 I think he's a purple belt.

02:41:07.000 And it was just a fucking basic drilled armbar.

02:41:11.000 It's why they do it that way.

02:41:13.000 I was like, that's why we do it like that.

02:41:16.000 He's just fast as fuck, man.

02:41:18.000 He's fast as fuck with everything.

02:41:19.000 We're good to go.

02:41:43.000 But that, you know, Gilbert, that shows you how crazy he is.

02:41:47.000 Because he could have fought Diego Sanchez in a safe way.

02:41:50.000 He could have just kept Diego at bay.

02:41:53.000 Two Mexicans getting at it.

02:41:56.000 Nope.

02:41:57.000 That was just, you know, I mean, it's not being racist.

02:42:00.000 I'm Mexican myself or Spanish.

02:42:02.000 Same difference.

02:42:02.000 Nothing wrong with that.

02:42:03.000 And they just threw down.

02:42:05.000 They're both proud Mexicans.

02:42:06.000 I mean, that's what he said when I interviewed him after the fight.

02:42:08.000 He's like, that's how Mexicans fight.

02:42:10.000 Yeah, it's true.

02:42:11.000 You know?

02:42:11.000 You go fucking wrestle at Santa Ana High School like I did getting ready for Masters and shit.

02:42:16.000 Those are some fucking mean kids.

02:42:19.000 Calvary Chapel.

02:42:20.000 They beat the shit out of each other.

02:42:21.000 Calvary Chapel, Santa Ana, studs.

02:42:23.000 They fuck each other up so bad.

02:42:25.000 That's where Eddie Bravo grew up.

02:42:28.000 Santa Ana?

02:42:28.000 Yeah.

02:42:30.000 It's a small little place, but there's some rough fucking people there.

02:42:34.000 I'm from Long Beach, man.

02:42:35.000 Fuck.

02:42:36.000 I know.

02:42:37.000 Do you get excited when you hear a Snoop Dogg song?

02:42:40.000 Went to my high school.

02:42:42.000 Did he?

02:42:42.000 Long Beach Poly High School, man.

02:42:44.000 Home of scholars and criminals.

02:42:45.000 Good ass fucking school.

02:42:46.000 Scholars and criminals all together.

02:42:48.000 It's a whole home of scholars and champions, but that's not what it was.

02:42:51.000 Good fucking sports.

02:42:53.000 Yeah, number one NFL producing high school in the country.

02:42:56.000 Really?

02:42:57.000 More NFL players went to Long Beach Poly than any other high school in the country.

02:43:00.000 That's incredible.

02:43:01.000 Why is that?

02:43:02.000 Their football program is fucking amazing.

02:43:04.000 Yeah, it's fucking incredible.

02:43:04.000 It's been awesome for a couple decades.

02:43:06.000 It's been an offer for like 30 years.

02:43:07.000 It's been amazing, yeah.

02:43:08.000 Wow.

02:43:09.000 40 years, actually.

02:43:10.000 How wild.

02:43:10.000 Yeah, and it's an old school.

02:43:11.000 It's been around since, like...

02:43:13.000 I was the 100th graduating class.

02:43:15.000 Fuck.

02:43:15.000 Yeah, 1895. Yeah, and growing up in Newport, what is it like being around all those yachts?

02:43:20.000 Is it hard?

02:43:20.000 Yeah, is it rough, dude?

02:43:21.000 It's really hard, man.

02:43:23.000 I had it rough.

02:43:25.000 Bro, everybody had a Mercedes.

02:43:26.000 We had a Lexus.

02:43:27.000 Every time you're in front of a restaurant, it's where we throw you the keys and go, park where I can see it.

02:43:30.000 Some shit.

02:43:31.000 You know, it's...

02:43:31.000 Only dark dude in Newport.

02:43:33.000 Yeah, you just can't trust him.

02:43:34.000 Yeah.

02:43:34.000 You know, you want to give him your keys to your car, but he's got dark skin.

02:43:39.000 Newport's so pretty.

02:43:41.000 It's beautiful though.

02:43:42.000 South Orange County is the California area.

02:43:44.000 It's the home of white people.

02:43:45.000 And you know what?

02:43:47.000 I live in the southernmost part.

02:43:49.000 Do you?

02:43:49.000 I live in San Clemente now.

02:43:51.000 You're almost in San Diego.

02:43:53.000 It's fucking...

02:43:53.000 San Clemente's the last good family town in Orange County, because it's just surfing and family.

02:43:58.000 And then, for anyone my age that wants to be hip and cool and fucking work for a cool company, go live in Costa Mesa.

02:44:05.000 Costa Mesa's a good spot?

02:44:06.000 I mean, the food there is fucking incredible, and there's ass everywhere if you're a guy.

02:44:10.000 Cha-cha!

02:44:11.000 And just, it's a lot of good jobs and cool people.

02:44:13.000 No shit.

02:44:13.000 Well, Orange County's pretty badass, it's just the traffic is so ridiculous.

02:44:17.000 Because LA's so good, right?

02:44:18.000 Well, once you get there, people just stay there.

02:44:22.000 You can't go anywhere.

02:44:24.000 Getting from Orange County up to here is a fucking joke.

02:44:26.000 My dad did it for 39 years.

02:44:28.000 He drove downtown LA from fucking...

02:44:30.000 Uphill both ways.

02:44:31.000 In knee-deep snow.

02:44:33.000 He had no brakes.

02:44:34.000 He had holes in the floorboards.

02:44:36.000 He stuck his feet out Flintstones style.

02:44:38.000 Had a bunch of built Supras.

02:44:40.000 Did he?

02:44:41.000 Yeah.

02:44:41.000 We owned a fucking Toyota dealership, so he drove up here.

02:44:43.000 Then we had a built Porsche.

02:44:45.000 What's a fucking more reliable car than a Supra?

02:44:48.000 A fucking 1,200 horsepower on a stock transmission?

02:44:51.000 Yeah.

02:44:52.000 Amazing.

02:44:53.000 Those cars, I had a...

02:44:53.000 Bop, bop, bop!

02:44:54.000 I had a Supra that was the first good car I had.

02:44:57.000 Oh, they're fucking incredible.

02:44:58.000 Fucking great.

02:44:58.000 And they're still...

02:44:59.000 97 was the last year of the Turbo, 98. They still look good, too.

02:45:03.000 Yeah, and it's still...

02:45:04.000 You can get 1,000 horsepower out of those fucking things.

02:45:06.000 And they look great.

02:45:07.000 Yeah.

02:45:07.000 They're still a cool-looking car.

02:45:09.000 You see a Supra with that big, crazy wing.

02:45:11.000 Yeah.

02:45:12.000 Pushing around like a shopping cart?

02:45:13.000 I love that car.

02:45:15.000 Love that fucking car.

02:45:17.000 Cub Swanson, ready to step into the octagon.

02:45:20.000 God damn, I'm looking forward to this fight.

02:45:22.000 Now you don't want to see this, right Ian?

02:45:24.000 You're going to leave.

02:45:25.000 What are you going to do, man?

02:45:26.000 Hang out in the lobby?

02:45:27.000 Come on.

02:45:28.000 I'm going to ride the werewolf.

02:45:31.000 Everyone's afraid of it.

02:45:32.000 He's fucking fired up.

02:45:33.000 I love that movie.

02:45:35.000 American Werewolf in London.

02:45:35.000 American Werewolf in London is one of my favorite horror movies of all time.

02:45:38.000 It's one of the all-time greats.

02:45:40.000 It's amazing.

02:45:40.000 Remember Silver Bullet?

02:45:41.000 That was a great one too.

02:45:43.000 With a young Corey Haim, dude.

02:45:45.000 The young Corey Haim in a wheelchair.

02:45:47.000 Rest in peace, bro.

02:45:50.000 Lost Boys, don't get me started.

02:45:52.000 We're going to watch fighting.

02:45:53.000 Corey Feldman's holding up the flag.

02:45:56.000 Yep, he is, man.

02:45:57.000 He's keeping it strong, right?

02:45:58.000 He's keeping the Corys alive.

02:46:00.000 The one Corey that's left.

02:46:00.000 Remember when they were together?

02:46:02.000 Two Corys doing movies together?

02:46:03.000 Oh, man.

02:46:04.000 Just like fucking Bill and Ted.

02:46:07.000 Whatever happened to Ted or Bill, whoever the other guy was?

02:46:10.000 Alex Winter is his name.

02:46:11.000 He's in Lost Boys.

02:46:12.000 Those are basically the only two movies he did.

02:46:14.000 I'm serious.

02:46:15.000 How do you know that?

02:46:18.000 I remember names.

02:46:20.000 That's amazing.

02:46:21.000 His name was Marco in Lost Boys.

02:46:22.000 He was the first vampire that got killed.

02:46:24.000 I commend you for that.

02:46:26.000 Thank you, sir.

02:46:28.000 That's some deep trivia.

02:46:29.000 I come from a trivia family.

02:46:30.000 You just pulled that shit out like you owned it.

02:46:33.000 Directed by Joel Schumacher.

02:46:34.000 Go ahead.

02:46:36.000 Directed by who?

02:46:37.000 How the fuck do you know that?

02:46:38.000 Just amazing that that guy...

02:46:40.000 I remember weird shit.

02:46:41.000 That's part of the reason I'm in MMA, I guess.

02:46:42.000 Keanu Reeves is one of the biggest actors of all time.

02:46:45.000 And he was in this big movie with that dude.

02:46:48.000 So you would think, well, both these guys are going to go on to bigger and better things.

02:46:51.000 Alex Winter did not.

02:46:53.000 Separate...

02:46:53.000 Did you ever see his band?

02:46:55.000 Did you ever see fucking Keanu Reeves' band?

02:46:57.000 Dogstar.

02:46:58.000 He was strung out for a while.

02:47:00.000 Fucking playing the bass all fucked up looking.

02:47:02.000 Yeah, he had a band for a while, right?

02:47:04.000 He has so much Matrix money, he didn't know what to do.

02:47:06.000 He started doing...

02:47:08.000 They gave me $200 million.

02:47:10.000 What the fuck do I do?

02:47:11.000 I'm going to start a band.

02:47:12.000 Fuck it.

02:47:14.000 I need to...

02:47:15.000 There's a documentary.

02:47:16.000 Jared Leto did a documentary on his issues with being in a band and money.

02:47:21.000 Must be rough.

02:47:23.000 No, no, no.

02:47:23.000 What is it called, Jamie?

02:47:25.000 Artifact.

02:47:25.000 Huh?

02:47:25.000 Artifact?

02:47:26.000 That's what the band...

02:47:27.000 Artifact?

02:47:27.000 The movie.

02:47:28.000 The movie is called.

02:47:28.000 About his band.

02:47:29.000 We had some huge struggles.

02:47:32.000 Is that the movie about the financial issues?

02:47:33.000 Getting sued?

02:47:35.000 Yeah, for $30 million.

02:47:36.000 Yeah.

02:47:36.000 Fuck.

02:47:36.000 By whom?

02:47:37.000 By a label.

02:47:38.000 By a label.

02:47:39.000 So apparently...

02:47:40.000 That's crazy.

02:47:41.000 The way they do math, like they do...

02:47:43.000 It's just fucking off.

02:47:45.000 Well, I've heard it before.

02:47:47.000 Corden Love wrote a whole piece on it once about the way they do the accounting.

02:47:52.000 So that you never...

02:47:53.000 It never looks like they've made money.

02:47:55.000 So they never have to pay you.

02:47:56.000 Yeah.

02:47:57.000 Like the only way you make money is when you're touring.

02:47:59.000 That's when you make money.

02:48:00.000 But record sales go almost entirely to the record company themselves.

02:48:04.000 And they have their own wacky ways of...

02:48:07.000 Deciding, you know...

02:48:08.000 It's like Hollywood...

02:48:09.000 What I've heard a lot is...

02:48:11.000 Any money they spend on promoting your album, they consider a loss and they'll call all these things promotional expenses.

02:48:17.000 So it's everybody...

02:48:18.000 You're paying, basically, for everybody who works for the label because that's a promotional expense for your album.

02:48:24.000 I've heard that a lot.

02:48:25.000 That shit is hilarious.

02:48:27.000 I saw them...

02:48:30.000 The first time I saw them, they sounded great.

02:48:31.000 Jared Lidd had sounded fucking awesome.

02:48:33.000 Then I saw them with Tahoe.

02:48:34.000 I think he was trying to sing on his own without like auto-tune or something and sound fucking horrible.

02:48:39.000 I left.

02:48:40.000 You walked out.

02:48:41.000 So it was great and then they were terrible.

02:48:43.000 And they were so bad.

02:48:44.000 It was awful.

02:48:45.000 When in doubt, use auto-tune, son.

02:48:47.000 Okay, here we go.

02:48:49.000 Jeremy Stephens and Cub Swanson.

02:48:51.000 Cub is quick, man.

02:48:52.000 He's naturally fast.

02:48:54.000 And he can keep that quickness up for three rounds.

02:48:56.000 The real question is, can he keep it up for five?

02:48:58.000 He's got such an explosion-based style where he leaps in a lot with shit.

02:49:06.000 Jeremy with a good leg kick there.

02:49:08.000 Jeremy hits so fucking hard throughout the entire fight.

02:49:11.000 Everything Jeremy does is heavy.

02:49:12.000 His kicks and his punches are very, very heavy.

02:49:14.000 He's got a very good chin, too.

02:49:15.000 Very rarely do you see him get stunned.

02:49:18.000 I mean, he got knocked out by Eve Edwards, but Eve just caught him perfect and caught him when he was running in.

02:49:24.000 You know, he was attacking and Eve just timed a right hand, just perfectly placed hook.

02:49:31.000 And that was what facilitated him going down to 145. He had lost three in a row at that point.

02:49:38.000 Yeah.

02:49:39.000 Anybody running in to something, you know, shit happens.

02:49:44.000 Like Benavidez and Mighty Mouse.

02:49:47.000 It's very rare that Mighty Mouse knocked guys out with one punch, but Benavidez just walked into it and boom!

02:49:53.000 He hit me with the same exact punch.

02:49:54.000 I ran into the same shit.

02:49:55.000 Knocked me down.

02:49:56.000 I mean, he didn't knock me out.

02:49:58.000 He's very quick.

02:49:59.000 Very quick.

02:50:02.000 Ridiculously quick.

02:50:02.000 We were talking about Simon Marcus and Joe Schilling.

02:50:05.000 That's a perfect example of that.

02:50:06.000 He just ran at him trying to get that point back because they took a point away from him for the mouth guard and Schilling just caught him perfect.

02:50:14.000 There was two in that.

02:50:16.000 Wayne Barrett, same thing.

02:50:17.000 The guy was chasing after him.

02:50:19.000 He caught him in midair with a hook.

02:50:20.000 Dude, that was fucking like watching Duck Hunt.

02:50:22.000 Yeah.

02:50:23.000 That's what it looked like, man.

02:50:27.000 Yeah, literally flying knee out of the sky with a hook.

02:50:32.000 I turned to the guy next to me and I was like, looks like Fedor Orlovsky, man.

02:50:38.000 In the air one second, down on your face the next.

02:50:41.000 Exactly.

02:50:41.000 That's why the flying knee is so wacky.

02:50:44.000 Duke Rufus gave perfect commentary on that too.

02:50:47.000 It's like, you feel like you're immortal, you're just going to flying knee the guy, but you don't realize.

02:50:52.000 Your face is flying towards his fist too.

02:50:56.000 So Jeremy's been landing some good, clean right hands.

02:51:00.000 I like his leg kicks, starting early with him.

02:51:02.000 Yeah, hard kicks and hard punches, too.

02:51:04.000 And you can see Cub is...

02:51:05.000 He's well aware that Jeremy's throwing...

02:51:08.000 Ooh, look at this!

02:51:09.000 Fucking slick.

02:51:11.000 A cartwheel with one hand.

02:51:13.000 Yeah.

02:51:13.000 Because I'm a gangster.

02:51:14.000 He's trying some rolling thunder shit with the round kick.

02:51:18.000 I'm not going to lie, I've been trying that lately.

02:51:19.000 It's kind of fun.

02:51:20.000 I never land it.

02:51:21.000 I just throw it in people's directions.

02:51:22.000 Well, Pettis has been trying that a lot, too, according to Duke.

02:51:28.000 I don't even think I've ever even brushed anyone's hands.

02:51:30.000 I just fucking throw it and they're like, what the fuck?

02:51:32.000 Well, you ever see Brian Ebersole throw that cartwheel kick?

02:51:34.000 He loves that rolling thunder kick.

02:51:36.000 He does it really well, too.

02:51:37.000 And he did it in a fight once, Ebersole did, and they thought it was a fix.

02:51:41.000 They were going to fine him.

02:51:43.000 And they thought it was a fake fight because they thought that technique wasn't real.

02:51:48.000 Like, that's how dumb some of these fucking people that are running these athletic commissions are.

02:51:52.000 It's essentially like a spinning axe kick.

02:51:55.000 I mean, that's what it's like.

02:51:56.000 There's a guy, a Muay Thai guy, Sanchai Sorkingstar, who's incredible.

02:52:00.000 And he'll do that one-handed.

02:52:02.000 I saw him hit a dude in Holland with that.

02:52:04.000 That's where I took it from.

02:52:05.000 Wow!

02:52:06.000 He's knocking right back.

02:52:06.000 Jeremy just caught Cub with a nice right hand.

02:52:09.000 Sunshine's a fucking beast.

02:52:11.000 And he's not built like your average tie.

02:52:13.000 He's short and stocky and just tosses everybody.

02:52:15.000 Crazy fast.

02:52:16.000 Push kicks.

02:52:17.000 So good to watch those high-level ties go out of two when you see just the fluidity of the kicking technique and the speed of the motions.

02:52:24.000 You just see that next level striking.

02:52:27.000 Yeah, it's fucking frightening.

02:52:30.000 What I like is Jeremy's throwing hard, you can tell, but he's still on balance.

02:52:34.000 He's not losing his footwork over it.

02:52:35.000 Good kick by Cub there.

02:52:36.000 Yeah.

02:52:40.000 This is a high-level fight, man.

02:52:42.000 And the winner of this fight easily could be the next guy in line at 145. You know, BJ... Didn't they say that?

02:52:49.000 I don't...

02:52:49.000 I mean, I'm not saying it, but they said to Jeremy that if he won, he could be assured of a child shot or something like that in some interview.

02:52:57.000 But honestly, it doesn't mean anything.

02:53:00.000 Yeah.

02:53:00.000 It only...

02:53:01.000 I mean, it's...

02:53:02.000 Ooh, good right hand by Cobb.

02:53:03.000 Oh, shit.

02:53:04.000 Oh!

02:53:04.000 Caught the kick.

02:53:09.000 Let's see what Cub does off his back.

02:53:11.000 Goes right to butterfly.

02:53:13.000 Cub's got a fucking black belt, man.

02:53:14.000 Mm-hmm.

02:53:15.000 Yeah.

02:53:15.000 He used to coach my nephew out in Palm Springs.

02:53:19.000 Guillotine.

02:53:20.000 He's holding on to that neck, man.

02:53:22.000 Jeremy's got to be careful.

02:53:23.000 If he scoots his butt out, scoots his butt out and gets a good grip on that neck, he's passing his right arm through.

02:53:28.000 What's he doing with his right arm?

02:53:31.000 He's in a position where you can sweep or go over the head for the neck.

02:53:34.000 He's got to watch both.

02:53:35.000 And he keeps scooting his hips back, but I like to wear...

02:53:38.000 Oh, now he's holding...

02:53:38.000 Ew, what are you doing, Fox?

02:53:40.000 What's going on here?

02:53:41.000 Oh, that's the round.

02:53:42.000 The round's over.

02:53:43.000 I was like, what is that?

02:53:44.000 And this is a creepy commercial, too, where you're like, if I'm going to look like that, do I really want to begin this sport?

02:53:49.000 Yeah.

02:53:50.000 We're going to turn into a pumpkin after this round.

02:53:53.000 Oh, really?

02:53:54.000 Should we push it?

02:53:55.000 Yeah, we're going to have to.

02:53:58.000 We're three hours in.

02:53:59.000 So this fight must be going long.

02:54:01.000 Is that what's going on?

02:54:02.000 Yeah, it's already 10 o'clock.

02:54:03.000 We've got less than six minutes left on this.

02:54:04.000 Wow.

02:54:05.000 Okay, well let's shut off and come back on because it's in between rounds.

02:54:09.000 I'll leave the audio on.

02:54:10.000 So the audio will just keep running the way it is.

02:54:12.000 So folks on Ustream will be right back.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 29, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - June 28, 2014 (Part 1)

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