Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - May 16, 2015 (Part 2)
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Frankie Edgar is the best fighter in the UFC, and we're here to talk about it. We also talk about Aldo vs. McGregor and the future of the UFC in the middleweight division, and a little bit of everything in between. We're back with another episode of The Answer, and this time, we're talking about Frankie vs. Cub! Subscribe to our new podcast "The Answer" Subscribe and comment to stay up to date with the latest UFC news and everything else going on in the world of sports and entertainment. We're part of the Sober is Dope Podcast Network, and our goal is to help people get a good night's rest and get some rest so they can have the best rest they can get. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! We'll be looking out for your comments and thoughts in the comments section. Thank you so much for listening and supporting the show. We appreciate it greatly. -Your support is so appreciated, we really appreciate it. Cheers! -The Answer -Jon Soriano & The Answer. Jon Soriano -J.J. & the rest of the crew. (Music: "Too Effing Goodness" -ROBERT SONGS: "Goodbye" by The Answer (featuring The Answer) & "Too Goodbyes" by Jon & Rachael (feat. "Good Luck" by Calidos "Thank You, Jon & "MMA" by Jake & "Good Morning America" by The Good Fight" by John Rocha Thank You, John Rizzi & The Good Morning America and "The Good Morning Joe" by Jay & The Bad Morning Joe Thanks for listening to The Answer? . Check us out! -Jon & RACY & Raffy & Raldsy Music: "PJ & R.A. "Good Night" by Mr. J & Roddy "Good Day" by Ferg & RYAN Boudre , "P. by "Thank you, R. " by , " Thank You For Your Support & Good Night, Good Luck & Good Luck, Thank You & Good Morning, by P. "By A. J. "
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I mean, you might have as much heart as him, but that's all that's available.
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If you get to the top, you've got Frankie Edgar heart.
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But you don't ever get to more than Frankie Edgar heart.
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Uriah Faber's got some fucking mad heart too, dude.
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That Aldo fight, that guy took bombs from Aldo.
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After it's over, his leg swells up like more than twice the size of the other leg.
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Everybody who trains with him says he's better in the cage than he is in training.
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But I was so impressed with Frankie against Cub.
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And you could see Cub, there was a certain point in the fight where he was just like...
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He doesn't get tired, cardio for days, nobody works harder, and unstoppable heart.
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Oh my god, the two first rounds of the two second fights.
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The first fight was a loss, you know, so it was like he lost a decision, but that was like early, early back in the day.
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But the second two fights, man, were just fucking wars.
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Yeah, Mania's never been the same, right, after those?
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Well, he's definitely taken some serious punishment.
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This was a smart move by the UFC because Frankie was just kind of chilling, sitting on the shelf until Aldo McGregor.
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Well, it's good too because it's not even in the weight class that he normally competes in.
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So no matter what happens, he still has that fight available.
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Well, they offered him a fight against TJ, and he's like, nope, not happening, dude.
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That's a tougher matchup, because he's not faster than TJ for sure.
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He did an interview saying he's not shutting the door on it, like he's open to it after this.
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So, Alexander Yakovu is the guy that stopped him in his last fight.
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Then Ross Pearson KO'd him in the second round.
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So three ferocious knockout losses in a row to Gray Maynard.
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And then this is the last fight he lost by decision to a guy that, you know, he never heard of before.
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And he's, I mean, not that the guy wasn't a good fighter, I'm sure.
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But, I mean, you think about, he was fighting for the title.
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I mean, they had an incredible, incredible fight.
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His coach behind him, Mark Henry, is a fucking ridiculous coach.
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Dude, it's tough to hear, but you can hear them yelling out.
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They switch up their signals every time, but they have a whole language for each camp.
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You'll see how nervous the coach is and he's sweating profusely because he's yelling out combos and Frankie listens like a fucking video game.
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Four wins by knockout, four by submission, three fight win streak.
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I mean, Benson's a big 155-er, and Frankie makes 145 pretty easy.
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And I love how he's willing to fight other people.
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Woodley's trying to get that Johnny Hendricks fight.
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I don't think he's got anything booked right now.
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Super 5. Everything else is virtually identical.
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It's crazy that he's 36, because to me, I was 36, and Uriah Faber, when I was working for the UFC, he was like the kid that was 22, 23. You weren't even 36 back then.
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When you were working for the King of the Cage?
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No, I'm talking about when I worked for the UFC. Oh, when you worked for the UFC. 35, 36. When you first saw him fight, that was King of the Cage, right?
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Because I remember you were telling me about him.
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First time I saw him was, he fought in Abu Dhabi as a blue belt.
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He wrestled his whole life, but he was a blue belt when he fought Bahumbin from American Top Team.
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It's going to be tough to beat that Bruce Jenner one, though.
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I Instagrammed 15 seconds of that interview, the part where she asked him if he was gay.
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His eyes are fluttering and twitching and all these pantomimes.
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If you have something like that, like if you're transgender, they immediately ignore all the other ridiculous aspects of your behavior.
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Like the fact that you fucking killed somebody a couple weeks ago by pushing their fucking car into oncoming traffic because you weren't paying attention.
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I mean, that somehow or another goes out the window.
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He wasn't paying attention when he was driving.
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But it's also the fact that he's living with attention whores his whole life.
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I mean, it's like he lives in a ridiculous household.
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When you win the gold medal in the decathlon in the Olympics, because no real athletes were competing in that shit.
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Michael Jordan was not in the fucking decathlon.
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There wasn't too many black guys competing in the decathlon.
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So we bet double or nothing, Eddie Bravo has Uriah, I got Frankie.
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I can't believe you made him take Uriah double or nothing, even though you were very strong coming into this.
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Is it me or does Frankie Edgar look way bigger than Uriah?
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They're moving like this is a five-round fight.
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Frankie's nice and paced, slowly, a lot of footwork and movement, but nothing crazy as far as output.
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It's interesting seeing Frankie not have a speed advantage, you know?
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And at 145, you know, he's used to fighting those 135ers.
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I think I like the fact that he doesn't have to cut as much weight for this fight, too.
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Like I said, I think Uriah has a power advantage in this.
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He comes off of weigh-ins and has a picnic on the ground, like, immediately.
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Tell you what, Uriye's a smart guy as far as business-wise goes.
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Their boxing gloves are my favorite boxing gloves ever.
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Dude, next time you're over at my place, I'll give you a pair of the gloves.
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Like, they're the most comfortable bag gloves I've ever used.
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And Rai's just always connecting with the right people.
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Is Dwayne Ludwig working with them for this fight?
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It's weird you see these logos all over people's shorts.
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This is the last time you're going to see this.
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I mean, they've been around a long-ass fucking time.
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If they want to be in this business, they should go over to Bellator.
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He just kept taking Kendall down over and over.
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He had a lot more experience than that guy had fought.
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Whenever Glory's not on Spike, I'm super into it.
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Yeah, Niki Holsken is one of my favorite fighters, for sure, in any sport.
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Did you see the Artem Levin-Simon Marcus fight?
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Yeah, there's some pretty girls that fight Muay Thai.
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It's that grappling that gnarlies up your face.
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I'm curious to hear your critique of Kathy Long striking.
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I finally saw a highlight reel, man, like maybe a year ago.
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We trained at the same gym, but I just never followed women's kickboxing.
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And one night I put on a highlight reel of Kathy Long.
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When it's this close, those takedowns and cage presence and the pressure wins you rounds.
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Uriah with a kick to the body and Uriah with a kick to the knee.
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Yeah, if Uriah can make this more of a kicking contest, that's not like Frankie's strong suit.
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You know, you get punched in the face all the time.
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When you had no surgery and you had your pipes opened up, did you blow some insane boogers out of that thing?
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I took photos of them and I put them on Instagram.
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I almost made Tom Segura throw up in the airport.
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I would blow some boogers that were bigger than a quarter.
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And they were bloody and they looked like aliens.
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When they took the things out of your nose, right?
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Like the little stitches, it's the best feeling in the world.
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Yeah, because I had plastic splints in there for a long time.
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He cut out all the, I think they're called turbinates, the inside of the bump, the bone bump, cut those down, and then cut out all the scar tissue, add a ton of scar tissue, and put these fucking tubes in there, and then splints, these plastic splints,
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and stitched it up, and when it was over, my nose is wider.
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All this shit, like, he, like, opened it up, like, changed the shape of the inside of the nose.
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I haven't been punched in the face that much since the surgery.
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Dude, for most of my life, I couldn't breathe out of my nose.
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I didn't even spar that much, and I got two nostrils that are totally different.
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Yeah, I had three quarters blockage on one side and almost 100% blockage on the other side.
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You ever have them where they go in with the drill and just kind of get it out of, like, all the shit?
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Because I used to, not addicted, but I'd use it every damn day.
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I would just, you know, I would just do it every day.
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It's like, when I did coke, I could fucking breathe perfect.
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Makes the veins smaller so then your nose doesn't work as efficiently.
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Yeah, when you get addicted to it, when you don't have it, it literally will make your nose, the inside of it swell.
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So I had to go and they had like this little drill and just caved out holes.
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Well, he used to be, but then he changed his nose, too.
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UFC, the problems at UFC. It's like a little Arnold right there.
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Nah, for reals though, he changed his entire face, face-off style.
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No, no, no, but she actually is 50 years old and wants to fight.
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She's the best female fighter I've ever seen, says Chuck Norris.
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Let's cut through all this shit and get to some actual fighting.
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These fucking judges better not cost me $1,800.
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Well, if Uriah wins three out of five, that's all he has to do.
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Yeah, Edgar's probably going to get the decision.
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This is a weird fight for Frankie, too, man, right?
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Because Uriah's not even ranked at 145. He comes back to 145, and if he beats Edgar, he's right in the mix.
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Beating a guy like Uriah in these super fights.
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But you know what's crazy seeing this fight, man?
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Is that, like, thinking, like, man, Uriah could have fought BJ Penn.
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Uriah fighting against B.J. Penn would have been insane.
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How cool are super fights though with these legacy of these guys?
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Like, I don't want to see Frankie fight someone in his weight class.
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You don't think Frankie drilled the piss out of that every damn day?
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Of course he did, but still impressive nonetheless.
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The judges check one for Frankie, check one for Big Brown.
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If you could see any super fight, what would it be?
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But I just, I don't know if Kane can get through a training camp.
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You know, somebody was, like, putting this out there.
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They were like, you really think about what Kane did as far as, like, Kane, make no mistake about it, the baddest motherfucker on the planet in the heavyweight division, right?
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But the guy's kind of, like, all of his injuries have kind of left that whole division in turmoil.
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That doesn't work well when you're trying to make money in this game, you know what I'm saying?
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There ain't gonna be no Muhammad Ali shirts like Kane, you know what I'm saying?
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It's just a matter of whether or not he can stay healthy.
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He's showing that Cub Swanson relentlessness now.
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I mean, yeah, it's a little early, but I'm just saying, hear me out.
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That bitch would be in here right now over my shoulder.
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You'd walk in my house and just be on a straight fucking display with a highlight tape of my entire career.
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Tim Sylvia used to show up at a bar with his fucking belt on.
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I felt Dos Anjos versus Pettis was an eye-opening fight.
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You know who's fucking flourishing of this Reebok deal is Cowboy.
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So, this is an interesting fight heading into this fourth round.
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These judges, though, man, it makes me nervous.
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I'll tell you what, I'll get further money right now.
00:27:40.000
Bro, how about that matchup with Machida and your boy...
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When he gets on the scale, he's got a big scar on the back of his head.
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I don't know, you know, if he had a discectomy, or I don't know where he got it done, America or Cuba.
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But, there's that, and then there's the last fight with Jacare that he had to pull out of.
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I don't know what's next, but you can't beat Camozzi who you already beat and then ask for a title shot.
00:28:42.000
Frankie's throwing a lot of spinning back kicks in this fight.
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Well, I expected that Uriah would have, like, if he had an advantage, he would be in the kicking, but apparently Mark Henry thought that out, too.
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Yeah, he just pulls that thing out so quickly and easily.
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That was the second time Uriah had like a little play on a single.
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This isn't like the Cub Swanson fight, which is just a Frankie Edgar show.
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This is two of the highest level athletes we have in the UFC. Frankie Edgar's footwork.
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Never slows down, same pace for five rounds, and never stands right in front of you.
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The only fight he stood in front of him was the Gray Maynard fight.
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And his coach, when he comes back to the corner, Marquette goes, what the fuck did I tell you not to do?
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And goes out there and beats the brakes off him.
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Yeah, after the first round, you're like, how is he even going to fight?
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There's certain fights that they really need to stop in between rounds.
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And if you looked at the beating that Grey Maynard put on him in the first round, you would go, man, I don't know if he's going to be able to make it.
00:30:16.000
But then, like, look at Machida versus Rockhold.
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Like, they could have easily stopped that fight in between rounds.
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They didn't even fucking put his mouthpiece in.
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Everyone thinks that Machido was verbally tapping, but he's saying, I don't have my mouthpiece.
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He's trying to get a break and get the mouthpiece.
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He didn't know where he was, so he got beat up.
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Luke, I mean, he landed a lot of ground and pound, but that one elbow at the end of the round was so loud.
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Vitor has some very fucking sophisticated striking.
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That's one of the reasons why that's an interesting fight.
00:31:37.000
Yeah, well, Ryan said, you know, the photography is obviously him in the middle of punching, but he said he looks good.
00:31:45.000
But I've seen a lot of the video footage of him sparring in one of the Nikki Holtzkin videos, just him sparring in the background.
00:31:56.000
As good as we think he looks, if you're a guy who's been on TRT or whatever, testosterone your entire career, now you're off of it and you're fighting the baddest 185 on the planet, where's your mental state at?
00:32:08.000
How are you going to go in that fight when it's the second round and you've landed that spinning heel kick and you've landed that left hand and he's not going anywhere?
00:32:18.000
Yeah, the real good point is where is he going to be at mentally?
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Because Chris Weidman said he got his blood checked and his testosterone was low.
00:32:30.000
Well, his testosterone was low, but I guarantee you a lot of that is due to hard training.
00:32:38.000
You know, if someone says, like, oh, I got my levels tested and they're really low.
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When you're in full, like, remember when DC and Jon Jones both tested, like, super low?
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Because a lot of people said that that was so low that it was indication, or indicative, rather, of them doing something.
00:33:01.000
Yeah, because, well, I don't know enough about it, but I read all the expert stuff.
00:33:08.000
And they said for them to be that low, there would have to be some sort of abuse, right?
00:33:18.000
Because they both tested, it was low testosterone to epitestosterone ratio, which is the opposite of knowing someone took steroids.
00:33:28.000
But we don't know where they started, because DC's older.
00:33:36.000
So for them to test it, maybe that's normal for them, because they've been competing all their life.
00:33:39.000
So to jump at those accusations is fucking crazy.
00:33:45.000
It's like, well, do we know what a really fucking hard-ass training camp does due to testosterone levels?
00:33:56.000
I mean, is there a baseline that they measured before he went into camp and then in the middle of camp?
00:34:02.000
If you just test him randomly in the middle of camp, you're just getting whatever he is right now.
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I mean, that was a stressful fucking lead-up, you know?
00:34:16.000
Because if you take a guy like, you test Herschel Walker, I bet his fucking levels are naturally really high.
00:34:22.000
And you test him randomly, people are like, oh, dude, he's on shit.
00:34:28.000
Yeah, but the epitestosterone to testosterone ratios, even if you're a freak, there's like a natural level that you never get over.
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That's how like when you see a guy who has like a 10 to 1 testosterone to epitestosterone, he has to be on something.
00:34:43.000
But they allow you like a 2 to 1, 3 to 1, I think 4 to 1. Nevada used to allow 6. 6 to 1. Used to allow 6. Used to.
00:34:57.000
Three years suspension test for diuretics or weed.
00:35:18.000
No, Nevada changed the requirements as far as what's positive and what's not.
00:35:26.000
They essentially don't want people fighting high.
00:35:54.000
Well, you're right for third offense, if it's the third offense.
00:35:58.000
How about a fine of 75% of the fighter's purse?
00:36:55.000
Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% if you run for the second time.
00:37:00.000
So what are they going to do with Vanderlei then?
00:37:02.000
Because Vanderlei, there's a big court case that's going on with him.
00:37:12.000
They were so hoping they were going to catch Floyd Mayweather on steroids.
00:37:22.000
What'd you guys think of that fight, by the way?
00:37:27.000
You and I are one of the rare people that enjoyed it.
00:37:32.000
Everybody that I know that saw it thought it was boring as fuck.
00:37:57.000
The best way to box is, that guy beat the game.
00:38:13.000
He was at the comedy store, and he said that when he was at the fight, Whitney Cummings yelled out.
00:38:18.000
She yelled out in the middle of the fight, Floyd Mayweather beats women!
00:38:29.000
And the way he said it, the fucking audience fell out, dude.
00:38:48.000
She wants to let everybody know what they already know.
00:38:50.000
Well, you came and supported him at the fight, though.
00:39:07.000
There's powerful Mark Henry and Ricardo Almeida.
00:39:24.000
This sets up an opportunity, though, for a new, completely new, a fresh start.
00:39:35.000
I'm in Connecticut hosting ESPN SportsCenter breaking down the fights.
00:40:38.000
I have to think about that one for a little bit.
00:40:42.000
Of course you can go check the odds, but it's all good.
00:40:52.000
Yeah, he was doing some seminar or something in China.
00:41:01.000
That Joey Benavidez and Moraga is a good fight.
00:41:05.000
McDesi versus Cerrone is going to be a fight, too.
00:41:06.000
That Travis Brown, the loss, he's getting no love.
00:41:09.000
Well, it's just because the card is just so stacked.
00:41:32.000
It's another one that people aren't talking about.
00:41:36.000
Remember, you were, like, pulling away and, like, grabbed your hand and shook it?
00:42:07.000
Have you guys seen The Jinx yet on HBO? We talked about this already.
00:42:26.000
She might have lost that finale, but she's going to be a star.
00:42:37.000
Oh, I thought you were saying she turned it down.
00:42:38.000
No, no one's trying to fight that girl in that white polo.
00:42:44.000
You're saying she don't want a piece of her right now.
00:43:01.000
Because we've never seen Conor McGregor getting taken down.
00:43:08.000
You know, what really would be interesting is Mendes.
00:43:11.000
Chad Mendes versus Conor McGregor would be very fucking interesting.
00:43:31.000
Oh, well, for sure, if there's something I don't give a fuck about it, it's baseball.
00:43:35.000
Yeah, as soon as that came on, I'm like, shut this off.
00:44:26.000
We got up here at seven o'clock in the morning and did a four, it was almost four hour, three and a half hour fight companion.
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And that's one thing, like, in the beginning, when we first started doing these, people get pissed.
00:44:52.000
Alright, well, we love doing these folks, so thanks for all the love out there.
00:45:02.000
Yeah, go to YouTube and watch The Silent Epidemic.
00:45:10.000
There's a lot of Big Pharma documentaries out there.
00:45:21.000
I wouldn't be saying it if it wasn't important.
00:45:38.000
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00:46:06.000
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00:46:18.000
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00:46:22.000
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00:46:46.000
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00:46:54.000
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00:46:57.000
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