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00:01:50.000Yeah, it's interesting because I'm a huge fan of kickboxing and I'm just kind of surprised that kickboxing hasn't taken off in America the way MMA has, but I just don't think it's been promoted the right way.
00:02:08.000Dana White had a real good point, and he said that the reason why is because people, when you think of kickboxing, they think of PKA karate from ESPN at 2 o'clock in the morning from the 1980s.
00:02:20.000You know, you have to throw those five kicks above the waist.
00:02:22.000And it was like shitty sloppy boxing, and they would barely throw those kicks.
00:02:33.000Look at how they were fighting in pajamas.
00:02:35.000With the boots, those big boots that they would wear on their feet.
00:02:38.000It is kind of interesting, the boots, because I brought this up many times when it comes to MMA. Like, why do your elbows have nothing on them?
00:02:47.000Why do your shins and knees have nothing on them but your knuckles do?
00:02:50.000Which is like the easiest thing to break, the hardest thing to hit somebody hard with is a fist.
00:04:07.000For some reason, I feel it's different than MMA. Like, in MMA, I've never been hit, I don't remember being hit with an elbow on my feet, but on the mat, you know?
00:04:17.000But in kickboxing, I mean, that's where you're at, and I don't know, it's kind of scary.
00:04:22.000I've hit people with elbows on my feet, and it seems, it would be shitty to be on the receiving end of one of those, man.
00:04:33.000And I always feel like any time you're eliminating effective aspects of striking, I'll give you take Muay Thai, and you eliminate two effective aspects of it, elbows and the clinch.
00:04:43.000I mean, those are two huge factors in fights, especially the clinch.
00:04:49.000I mean, you take a guy like Sanchai who can dump people from anywhere.
00:05:09.000I just feel like you should be able, A, to defend yourself if you get hurt, and B, you should be able to work knees to the body and elbows in the clinch.
00:05:19.000It's just a massive part of Muay Thai, and they've just sort of eliminated it to make it more exciting, and it all came from K1. K1 was like a big step up from PKA karate.
00:05:31.000It was a big step up from kickboxing, but...
00:05:34.000They developed some rules that they thought would favor action and make things go quicker.
00:05:41.000Yeah, I remember the first K-1 that was, I think it was like, what, 92, 93, maybe 94 here, where they advertised it as 80% knockouts.
00:06:42.000If you watch a UFC card, you won't see as many spins as you do in Glory.
00:06:46.000Yeah, I think really the only way to get, well not the only way, but it's so hard for guys who develop an overall MMA game to ever be like really effective with those kind of traditional martial arts techniques because I feel like some of those Taekwondo techniques and Kyokushin techniques,
00:07:05.000you have to start out with that stuff and not worry about getting punched in the face in order to develop them.
00:07:11.000That's a big aspect of Kyokushin and a big aspect of Taekwondo is that people aren't punching you in the face.
00:07:16.000Yeah, because you don't have that threat.
00:07:19.000Yeah, so you develop those crazy kicks and the leg dexterity.
00:07:23.000And then, I feel like that's a great stepping stone if you can go from that and then learn how to wrestle and learn jiu-jitsu and learn how to box and kickboxing.
00:07:32.000Then you'll always have those techniques.
00:07:34.000But it's so rare that you take a guy who is like a real, from the beginning, mixed martial arts fighter and then develop that kind of ability.
00:07:43.000Yeah, I mean, they're focused on every aspect of martial arts.
00:07:49.000Yeah, you have to be a highlander to get it all down.
00:07:52.000Yeah, it's so rare that anybody has like a full game that starts out from the beginning.
00:07:59.000But, you know, I think we're seeing these guys today, which is kind of an interesting time, the real specialists like Wonderboy, and on the other end, like Damian Maia.
00:08:14.000I mean, guys were individual specialists back in the day, but now you get a guy like Wonderboy, you get a guy like Stephen Thompson.
00:08:20.000I mean, Tyron Woodley, great wrestler, he started mixing the rest into his game.
00:08:24.000But then you get these guys like Dustin Poirier and Masad Bektik that came up doing MMA. And they're really good at different aspects of it.
00:08:50.000We were just talking about the difference between a real specialist, like a high-level specialist, like a Stephen Thompson in MMA, versus a guy like a Dustin Poirier, who's a very good striker, but Wonderboy's something special.
00:09:05.000That level, that's like, he was something ridiculous, like 37-0 as a kickboxer, and his UFC career, he's only lost to Matt Brown.
00:09:15.000In a fight where he said he over-trained for that fight, and you know, Matt Brown's obviously a savage.
00:09:23.000So this is the first fight, Joe Schilling, and I know you're a huge fan of Glory, the organization, the way they treat the fighters once they leave.
00:09:51.000It should definitely, I mean, kickboxing is a very exciting sport.
00:09:54.000When you sit down and you watch these guys, and you see some of the knockouts that these guys pull off, I was watching Tyrone Spong and Salo Calivari.
00:11:46.000Yeah, and well, a leg break in and of itself is so dangerous because, first of all, when it's a compound fracture, it's insanely dangerous because there's massive risks of infection.
00:11:56.000But when it's a leg break, there's also an issue with circulation, like...
00:12:03.000Frank Mir, when he broke his leg when he got in that car accident, he wasn't good for a year.
00:13:24.000Like what Boss said about it made a lot of sense to me.
00:13:27.000He described it as like a ruler, like a pencil ruler.
00:13:31.000And when you hit the southpaw, you end up kind of...
00:13:36.000Boss explains it a lot better than me.
00:13:37.000The ruler hits the flat side or the shin hits the flat side, which is why it has the ability to break so easy versus going straight at it, you know?
00:16:18.000I mean, I've noticed it in many fights, but the one time when he fought Carlos Condit, I remember he closed the distance and landed a right hand.
00:16:25.000You know how your brain sees people doing stuff, and things seem normal.
00:16:29.000Like, oh, that's a good punch, or that's a good kick.
00:17:00.000You were talking earlier about his, you know, what a high-level striker he is, but he's a high-level striker at a style that you don't see very often.
00:17:08.000When you go in an MMA gym anywhere across this country, you're going to see fundamentals of Muay Thai, boxing, and whatnot, you know what I mean?
00:17:14.000But you very rarely are going to see guys throwing crescent kicks and all this fucking point karate shit.
00:17:24.000When you're in there, you're like, what the fuck is going on?
00:17:26.000And then you end up standing in front of them, which is what they want, you know?
00:17:28.000Well, he's got way better hands than Raymond, though.
00:17:31.000The thing that makes him, like, Raymond's getting better with his hands, but Raymond has issues when guys close the distance and smother him, like what Nicky Holtzkin did, like what Joseph Valtellini did to him.
00:17:41.000But Wonderboy doesn't have any problem with that.
00:23:06.000That bugs the shit out of me the most about eye pokes.
00:23:09.000When someone gets jabbed in the eye and you see them scream out and cover their eyes and turn their back, they don't even try to defend themselves sometimes.
00:23:16.000The Anthony Johnson one was one of the worst.
00:23:24.000I just don't know why they don't go to the pride gloves.
00:23:27.000I mean, it just seems at this point in time like a no-brainer.
00:23:30.000It just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
00:23:31.000They continue to have these gloves that not only is it hard to keep your hand curled, but it's trying to open your hands.
00:23:39.000The UFC gloves are trying to open your hands.
00:23:42.000To keep your hands closed, you have to force them down.
00:23:44.000Whereas the pride gloves, it was hard to open them.
00:23:47.000The pride gloves are keeping your hands like that.
00:23:49.000So as you're throwing punches, I just think, also, too, guys have to get away from doing this open palm thing to the face to push guys off.
00:23:59.000And I think when guys do that, they should be penalized at point.
00:24:03.000But how do you stop them from doing that?
00:25:23.000That's one of the craziest stories in all of MMA. Joe Son, who seemed like this lovable guy who was really into Jesus and seemed kind of crazy, he used to come to the comedy store and hang out.
00:25:31.000I hung out with Joe Son a bunch of times because he was friends with Bobby Lee.
00:25:35.000So he'd come out of the comedy store, he was jacked.
00:25:37.000He was three feet tall and two feet wide.
00:29:20.000I was at Amal Easton's Jiu-Jitsu school in Boulder, and I was on the mat, and we were training, we were doing drills, and out of the corner of my eye, I see what looks like the Thing from the comic book movie, Fantastic Four.
00:31:23.000But he just tried to just end it real quick, which makes sense.
00:31:27.000Because when you see Brock run away from some of those shots that he ran away from before that, and Shane hits like he hits, you think he can just close his show.
00:33:47.000No one's doing it the way the UFC's doing it.
00:33:49.000And the way UFC's doing it, I mean, in a lot of ways, it's dangerous to their brand.
00:33:53.000You know, I mean, in a lot of ways, a lot of people would say it's not a good idea financially, but it just shows their commitment to trying to clean it up.
00:34:00.000I think California is doing randoms too now, just as the athletic commissioner.
00:34:05.000Yeah, the commissioner came here from Georgia and he's...
00:34:10.000I just think the problem with the USADA thing is that if your boss...
00:34:14.000The people that pay USADA to test is the UFC. I think it's a conflict of interest at some level.
00:34:20.000It should be a state sanction or somebody away from both parties.
00:34:26.000Because who makes the choice on who gets tested?
00:34:29.000When you fail a drug test in California, for example, the California Athletic Commission is going to contact Bellator and say, this guy's not fighting, he failed a drug test.
00:34:40.000When you fail a test for USADA, they're going to call the UFC and be like, hey, so this guy failed the drug test, what do you want to do about it?
00:34:47.000And that's not, that becomes a problem.
00:34:49.000Yeah, this guy's test shows he has cocaine in his system, and then he fights for a little bit.
00:34:54.000Let's just lose those results until after this main event.
00:34:56.000Yeah, but that's different because it's out of competition.
00:34:59.000There's certain rules, oh, what happened to him?
00:35:04.000I thought he got hit with a push kick to the leg.
00:35:06.000But I think there's out of competition testing and then there's in competition testing.
00:35:12.000And when you get tested for something in competition, it's very different than out of competition when it comes to recreational drugs.
00:35:20.000But when it comes to performance enhancing drugs, like even if it's out of competition, like say if you're five weeks out, you test positive for cocaine, that's not going to affect your performance in the ring in a way that's going to damage your opponent.
00:35:31.000But if you test positive for some sort of a steroid, then it will.
00:36:34.000Like a world tour t-shirt, have the back, all the different excuses.
00:36:39.000Tim Sylvia failed for like windstraw or something and he said he was doing it just to get so his body would look better because he was getting so much shit about looking fat.
00:37:01.000Well, I remember that fight because I remember he had a hard time making 265. He had a cut weight to make 265, and he wasn't fat at all back then.
00:37:09.000I mean, he wasn't shredded, but for Tim Sylvia, I mean, he was real lean.
00:37:16.000Watching Tim Sylvia walk around, he doesn't look like an athlete.
00:37:19.000He doesn't look like he would have ever been a heavyweight champion in the UFC. But, man, he hits hard.
00:37:51.000Like, the mechanics of your body, like, you've kind of been cut into a groove where your body's gotten accustomed to walking and standing in that way.
00:38:00.000But if you adjusted that and trained that, he would be a way better athlete.
00:38:03.000And he would move like, you know, like a Travis Brown or something like that.
00:39:35.000Pigeon toes occur when the foot tends to resemble a kidney, or when a metatarsus adductus has an inward curve at the outer edge of the foot.
00:39:48.000If your child has this condition, you'll probably notice it While your child is still a baby, sometimes the doctor will try braces or special shoes while the child is still a baby, six to nine months old, to help you manipulate the bones into growing straight.
00:40:01.000The condition will not clear up on its own.
00:40:07.000Requires treatment, the nature of which varies depending upon whether the condition is flexible or fixed.
00:40:12.000Most flexible cases respond to conservative treatment, which indicates passive stretching, bracing, and specialized shoes.
00:40:19.000The fixed type requires serial plaster casting.
00:40:22.000If conservative treatment does not help, then re-evaluation is in order to make sure the patient does not have true club foot instead of metatarsis adductus.
00:41:29.000And all the knuckle hit me right in the eyeball.
00:41:32.000I'm on top of him and I'm like throwing shots and then he throws that punch and he hits me and I put my head down on his belly and hold on his biceps.
00:42:21.000Anyway, he's a, uh, pitcher, like a pickup league, like, uh, just for fun league.
00:42:25.000He's been, uh, playing baseball for a long time.
00:42:28.000And he throws a pitch and it gets hit line drive right back at him on a fucking Sunday afternoon, hits him square in the eye, like ruptures his eye, lost his eye, he's had like 10 surgeries.
00:43:16.000Well, I mean, it really depends on where he's hitting them.
00:43:19.000It's such a weird thing because if your leg is slightly bent and the guy catches you above the thigh with that push kick, it's gonna extend your leg and it's gonna hurt.
00:43:31.000It's not, I mean, the way he did it, that was really nasty.
00:43:35.000I mean, that was one of the worst ones I've seen.
00:43:36.000Did you ever see that one with Miguel Torres?
00:43:39.000Yeah, we watched it when I, for the first time I was on your podcast, it was awful.
00:43:43.000But that, ugh, every time I see it, it just bugs me.
00:43:46.000I had a knee surgery, and we were talking earlier about how long it takes you to come back mentally.
00:43:51.000And I was out for a year from ACL and MCL tear, but like in that, Last three months, especially that last camp getting back into the ring, like every time you feel like any kind of twist or pop or any scar tissue that breaks, like you just freak out and you make like a girly noise like if I was a fucking spider ran across the room.
00:44:12.000So every time I see any kind of shit like that on the knee, it bugs me.
00:44:15.000Yeah, that's why people are so terrified of heel hooks.
00:44:19.000Heel hooks scare people more than anything because with the difference between tapping and not tapping quick enough is you being crippled for a year.
00:44:30.000Super effective move, but that's why a guy like Husamara Palhares is so hated.
00:44:35.000He's one of the most hated guys in the history of the sport because he holds on to heel hooks.
00:46:06.000Because I thought I was a little worried that Rico's in his prime and Bader hasn't fought in a while and his last fight didn't look that great.
00:49:01.000The first Thai tape I ever watched from a friend from Thailand They had like two 17 year olds.
00:49:06.000They had like a hundred and something fights Well in Thailand your prime is like 16 17 18 You know, if you're 23 years old, you're like, over the hill, like you're fucking getting older.
00:49:17.000What about a guy like Sanchai, who's 36?
00:49:19.000Well, even Sanchai is like, I don't think he's like, maybe Sanchai still is, but for the most part, those guys that like Sanchai or Bukal or whatever, those guys aren't even like the prime in Thailand anymore.
00:49:30.000They've gotten so old and so big that now they fight the foreigners everywhere.
00:50:11.000Probably like eight years old or five years old his parents like put took him to a Muay Thai camp and that camp probably took raised him and sent him to school or whatnot and then every day after school since he was like five years old he fucking trained Muay Thai.
00:50:34.000Boy, that's a big step up for him, man.
00:50:36.000He's got the size advantage for sure in this one.
00:50:40.000Usually those ties, when they switch over to kickboxing the first time, they don't do that well because it's so different, the rule set and stuff.
00:50:48.000How good are the tie fighters when they start getting bigger in the heavier weights?
00:51:17.000You'll see guys that used to be 150 pounds and then they just got super fat and now they're fighting at 185. But they have 100 fights, so even super fat, they're dangerous.
00:55:07.000Okay, so, in a Muay Thai fight, or a kickboxing fight, like in Glory, when you watch MMA and your guy's getting beaten on his feet, and your teammate's getting beaten on his feet, you're like, get the takedown.
00:55:18.000You figure, like, there's another way.
00:55:20.000When a guy's getting beat up on their feet in Muay Thai, what are you thinking?
00:55:38.000Casey's chart needs to be like more American right now, not try to fight a Muay Thai style against this guy because it's just too much experience.
00:55:45.000Do you think that guys automatically try to fight the style of the Thais because, I mean, that's what they idolize, right?
00:55:52.000I mean, like everybody who's a Muay Thai fighter, they idolize the greats.
00:55:56.000You know, they idolize these high-level guys and then they wind up fighting them one day.
00:56:04.000Yeah, I don't think it's intentional, per se, but I think you end up doing that.
00:56:09.000We should just watch a bunch of Romo and Decker's fights.
00:56:56.000There's a thing that you see with guys like Sitsong, Pinong, when you see guys that have been doing it their whole life, where their trigger is so fast.
00:57:06.000Like the way he throws that kick, that switch kick that he just threw, and the way he throws, it's like they have such fluidity because their technique is so a part of who they are and how they develop as a human.
00:57:19.000Like you just throw that right kick to the arms.
00:57:22.000It's like it becomes like a part of how they move.
00:57:26.000I mean, he's probably been moving, throwing kicks and punches and avoiding them and clenching.
01:02:42.000It just seems to me to be the most underappreciated, underrated sport in the U.S. Especially, like, what is the one thing that people complain about in MMA? Like, oh, fucking go to the ground, you queers, stop hugging each other.
01:03:19.000Yeah, I mean, that's part of the problem.
01:03:20.000The problem, Joe Schilling, is that you get these Thai guys beating up Americans.
01:03:26.000So, okay, this is world-class kickboxing, so we're going to make a matchup with one of our up-and-coming American stars, and we're going to match him up with a guy with 160 fights.
01:05:55.000I go back to Texas sometimes and literally two miles from my daughter's house on a corner on a highway intersection.
01:06:04.000They just got confederate flags just lined up hanging and they're selling them.
01:06:08.000They're just sitting there in their trailer selling confederate flags People drive around with Confederate flags flying out of the back of their trucks, their pickups.
01:06:16.000It's weird coming out here because I grew up with that.
01:08:50.000Yeah, well, middleweight was 160, but it was 154 to 160. Right.
01:08:54.000Super middleweight, 168. Light heavyweight, 175. Cruiserweight, 195. There was a time where, you know, the UFC didn't even have a 55 when Eve Edwards was the baddest motherfucking 55 on the planet.
01:17:52.000Well, that's why that guy Calvin Ayer had to leave the country.
01:17:56.000He's a criminal, because he had all this online gambling shit going on, and he was an American citizen, so he can't even live in America anymore.
01:18:05.000Not only that, I don't even think he's allowed to visit America.
01:18:08.000I think Calvin Air lives in Costa Rica.
01:19:24.000Matt Lindlund got the clinch on Fedor and Matt Lindlund was about to take Fedor down and Fedor grabbed the ropes and held on hard and then reversed the position.
01:21:29.000I don't remember the guy's name anyway.
01:21:31.000Ensign was, he had these guys in Japan, they were street fighting.
01:21:35.000So they had on MMA gloves, but they, like, you know how they have the race car guys?
01:21:40.000It seems like they parked a bunch of cars, they made a ring with the cars, and they're just throwing now with little gloves on in the street.
01:23:55.000He was in Vegas, and me and him and Eddie Bravo, we went to my hotel room, and he had this fucking gigantic blunt, and we were so high, we should have stopped, but he kept saying, Yamato Damashi.
01:26:15.000It looked to me like Simon, it sounds even like Simon was getting tired, you know?
01:26:19.000And I had heard that he's not with his old coach anymore.
01:26:22.000So maybe that's it, but that's what I was asking Yves.
01:26:26.000Being in Denver, when I fought there, it makes a big difference, the high altitude.
01:26:31.000He's fighting Dustin Jacoby, who I don't think is anywhere near the caliber fighter to fight a guy like Simon, but he's from Denver and that gives him a lot of advantage.
01:27:51.000And then they do this test on him, and they're like, yeah.
01:27:54.000Well, what they're concerned with is that they're missing out on, you know, a lot of the damage that...
01:28:02.000You're getting in the gym and that there's no way to really detect it until you're dead, but it's just like this slow, creeping thing that's happening to you.
01:28:12.000And then, I mean, when does a guy like Jordan Parsons, 25 years old, fully functional, articulate, he can hang with any conversation, but then, what does that mean when he's 60 or 45?
01:29:17.000It takes time to show its full effects.
01:29:19.000Eight to ten years after you're diagnosed with it, you really start seeing the damage because it slowly gets worse.
01:29:24.000You start drooling and shit like that.
01:29:25.000Depending, of course, on whether or not you still receive damage.
01:29:29.000Supposedly, there's some athletes, some NFL athletes that either killed themselves or did some extremely violent things because they weren't fully functioning.
01:30:13.000A buddy of mine just went to a high school football game, and he said in a high school football game he saw six kids get laid out, just laid out, where they boom, collide, and these kids are just laying down, fucking knocked unconscious,
01:30:28.000out of their fucking mind, in a high school football game.
01:30:32.000I mean, you're taking some of the best athletes in their school, but when you get to the NFL level, some of the best athletes in the world, you put them in a box and you just say, go, 60 times, and they just run into each other.
01:32:20.000Yeah, he's got under hyperbaric oxygen therapy, it says.
01:32:25.000And he says, this is his quote right here, he's got a trial he's trying to get some money for at a research center where they're going to do testing to see if they can...
01:32:33.000So as my thinking is much clearer, he explains, finding the right words has become easier and I remember events with more clarity.
01:32:39.000One of the really great results in my sleep has improved.
01:32:42.000I sleep more soundly and I have vivid dreams.
01:32:45.000With the therapy now completed, Joe maintains that the lasting benefits are both mental and physical and now more energy and strength.
01:33:34.000Hyperbaric is high altitude or high oxygen.
01:33:37.000So they find that if they oversaturate you with oxygen, that all of your cells tend to open up and then it starts to figure out new ways to repair itself is the idea between that.
01:33:47.000It's supposed to be great for broken bones.
01:33:50.000It's supposed to be great when people have injuries, like recovery time decreases.
01:33:54.000The red blood cells, it increases your red blood cells, right?
01:33:57.000And that's what helps with the healing.
01:34:36.000But I mean, after being knocked out, I felt...
01:34:39.000I've been knocked out, I think, two times, three times now, where it was like a half hour after the fire where I still look pretty fucked up, you know?
01:34:46.000And then after that happens, I'm really aware of it.
01:34:49.000I even ask my girl, like, am I being normal?
01:35:58.000I remember sitting there with Tyron and somebody else in the doctor and I'm talking and I'm literally saying something and then I realize my wife's in here.
01:36:09.000My consciousness comes back to me while I'm speaking to Tyron.
01:36:14.000I'm talking to Tyron and I'm looking at my wife like, why the hell is she back here?
01:36:17.000And then I ask him and he told me what happened and I couldn't believe it.
01:36:21.000I didn't remember fighting any of that.
01:39:31.000Like, he just, in front of all these fucking people in Cleveland, he just gets knocked out, and now it makes it look like he's a sore loser, but you can't count on his memory right now.
01:39:43.000He just got shut off, and Alistair's been shut off a ton of times.
01:41:17.000Yeah, Varga's really, really technical and real tricky, but I just think Roos Mullen's got the experience, the high-level experience and the power.
01:41:27.000Being in the locker room with With Bruce Mullen hitting pads, he's probably the hardest I've ever seen anybody.
01:41:32.000Like, most impressive pad holder, where he was like, whoa, what the fuck?
01:42:50.000Then you got the other factor, Bruce Mullen cutting his weight to 45. Then also being in Denver, high altitude, and he had a hard weight cut.
01:47:07.000I already know going into the fight, like, if anybody has, like, an extra bike in their tomb, I'm going to break my fucking feet every time.
01:47:16.000How many times have you broken your feet?
01:47:17.000I've broken all my toes, like, at least twice.
01:50:03.000I guess if you eat good all the time, you could kind of get away with that, but you really only get away with that when you're in your 20s.
01:54:09.000Can someone please explain why Floyd Mayweather can drink Gatorade during the fight and Nevada State Athletic Commission threatens to spend us for anything but unsealed water?
01:54:28.000Just such a smart guy in terms of, like, his style was never the kind of style that would make a bunch of people come out to see him fight.
01:54:36.000But all that shit-talking made all those people want to come see him lose.
01:54:40.000It's weird, though, because some of his fights, you see his offense.
01:56:55.000It was a really good documentary on YouTube.
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02:00:24.000We sold out the Hard Rock at the Lion Fight, which was the Lion Fight's biggest Gates or whatever have been all three of my fights, and two of them were with Simon.
02:00:35.000So we're talking shit back and forth, and he speaks with a Jamaican accent, but I'm thinking he's Canadian.
02:00:42.000And I'm like, oh, that's what a fake motherfucker.
02:00:44.000Like, oh, you have a faker accent, blah, blah, blah.
02:00:49.000And I'm like, what, you're one of two Jamaican people in Canada?
02:00:52.000And apparently there's a huge Jamaican community in Canada, and I had no idea.
02:00:58.000Wow, there's a lot of Bahamians in Canada, too.
02:01:14.000I still have to get citizenship or get paperwork done, but when the UFC goes to Canada and everybody has to get a visa, things like that, I don't have to do that.
02:03:13.000It would be interesting to see if Donald Trump won just based on what happens when someone's a complete political outsider and they get to a position where they're running for president.
02:04:01.000Like, you can't just lock her up, man.
02:04:03.000Like, there's a reason why we have this whole system in place.
02:04:06.000Like, you can't just circumvent that now that you're the king.
02:04:09.000Like, it doesn't give you ultimate power, but his perception of it, or the way he talks about it, is that if he got in, he would have that ultimate power.
02:04:19.000It is disturbing, but it's more disturbing to me because you see guys like Rudy Giuliani, and he's supporting this bill to get people that are on the terrorist watch list to have to wear ankle bracelets.
02:04:30.000So, you didn't commit a crime, you're just on a watch list, but you are being treated like a prisoner.
02:04:36.000Rudy Giuliani was trying, I don't know if he's still, if that bill is still trying to push forward, but Rudy Giuliani was trying to push this thing forward a couple of months ago.
02:04:45.000What exactly is the fucking terrorist watch list?
02:04:48.000And like, how crazy is that they have a list And you're on the list, but you're not totally a criminal, but we think you might be a fucking criminal.
02:05:10.000If you go and you look at the terrorist watch list and you read the names that are on there, by the time you get to the end, your name should be on there.
02:05:18.000That's, that's, that's, that's, I mean, that's how they work the terrorist watch.
02:09:04.000You know, you weren't a guy who tried to overwhelm anybody with power or aggression.
02:09:09.000You were laying traps and setting people up and using really clean technique.
02:09:14.000And I find, you know, like I said, Vandele probably one of my all-time favorite guys to watch because you see it was pure chaos.
02:09:20.000But I find that people like yourself...
02:09:23.000Oftentimes make really good analysts because like you're a guy who was like looking at Fighting and whether it's MMA stand up on the ground, whatever it was you're looking at it at this very analytical level It's for me.
02:09:40.000It's like asking questions That's um, one of my boxing coaches Kenny Weldon used to say that when I fought Aaron the second time He watched the fight after the fact and he was like I was like, so what do you think, Kenny?
02:09:51.000He goes, that kid has a lot of questions.
02:09:53.000I was like, what do you mean he has a lot of questions?
02:09:55.000He's like, every time you do something, you're asking him a question.
02:09:59.000And then, I'm sorry, every time he does something, he's asking you a question.
02:10:02.000And you're answering him with, I'm going to do this.
02:10:05.000And what are you going to do about what I'm doing?
02:10:07.000And he's just asking me, why are you doing that?
02:11:05.000Yeah, that completely makes sense that you had that kind of style with that approach.
02:11:12.000You know, I just always admired the way you would set things up.
02:11:17.000You always had a real technical style, which, like I said, I admire Chaos, too.
02:11:22.000I admire those Melvin Manhoof dudes, too.
02:11:24.000You know, I admire Vandele, like, maybe more than anybody, just because he was so wild to watch.
02:11:31.000But I find that for analysis, like Dominic Cruz is another guy I think knocks it out of the park.
02:11:36.000Because he's so smart in his assessment of risk and reward and putting yourself in a position where your opponent doesn't exactly know what you're going to do, but you know how he's going to react.
02:11:48.000Because you have this awkward style that you've seen other people react to for a long time.
02:11:54.000But for them, it's like this new thing.
02:11:56.000They're standing in front of this guy who's switching stances and bouncing and moving up and down and back and forth.
02:12:02.000You're not exactly sure what the fuck he's doing, but he knows what you're going to do.
02:12:07.000Because he's so used to doing it to regular people.
02:12:09.000Everybody who stands like certain guys, they have that Muay Thai style.
02:12:14.000God, there's so much that they're giving a guy in that situation.
02:12:18.000And when you've got a guy like Dominic Cruz, He's not predictable at all.
02:12:23.000He's like flipping stances and moving around and throwing punches from these weird fucking angles where you would swear he's doing it wrong, right?
02:12:34.000I always look at the way someone explains something to me is as the easiest way to explain it and Ben Askren Tyron said Ben likes to cause scrambles, right?
02:15:06.000Not because, but Dominic's style, that style, I think, is the style to beat that.
02:15:11.000The reason I say that is because the way Dominic is approaching it, he's approaching it from a...
02:15:20.000Educated, I would say more educated, more studious place.
02:15:25.000These guys are approaching it from trying to get you to buy the wolf ticket.
02:15:31.000So they're giving you these weird looks because that's going to make you get off balance, stand there for them, be the guy that's just a target.
02:15:40.000But Dom is giving you these looks from a fighting perspective.
02:16:48.000I mean, he's got to be comfortable fighting 135 when he was always so much smaller than those 135-pound guys.
02:16:53.000But from the, I think it was the Ian McCall fight on...
02:16:58.000When Ian McCall took his back and battered him, he's talked about it like that was the big shifting point where he just realized that he's really got to be dedicated.
02:17:11.000He can't be taking beatings like that.
02:17:13.000And that it was more of the fact that he wasn't putting the time in versus him not having the ability.
02:17:21.000He knew he could fight better than that.
02:17:23.000And so then you see him from that fight on slowly emerge as, I mean, at this point, pretty much the consensus pound for pound best fighter in the world, especially now that John doesn't have a license.
02:17:35.000John was the other guy that was in the mix for that.
02:17:38.000But I think Mighty Mouse takes less damage, is destroying more guys in more of a crazy, technical, impressive fashion.
02:17:48.000Like when he stopped Cejudo, I mean, that was a work of art, man.
02:17:53.000The clinch work and those knees to the body, that was as good as I've ever seen anybody beat anybody, you know?
02:21:28.000Like, he's a very strong guy for 155. I'm looking forward to that, too.
02:21:33.000Yeah, I'm curious, actually, to see what Conor looks like at 55, because, right, we haven't seen him there in the UFC. We've seen 45, and then we've seen him cut no weight and weigh, like, 169. I think he weighed against Nate.
02:21:46.000It would be interesting to see what does Conor look like when he's at 155. I mean that might be the perfect weight for him.
02:21:52.000It's entirely possible we might see a better McGregor at 155. I think that's the deepest division.
02:21:59.000I think it has been for the longest time and that if anybody dominates that division like RDA did it for a little he looked dominant for a little bit um even coming up to the title fight he looked like he was going to hold on to that for a while um But everybody there is so close.
02:22:17.000Everybody at that weight class is so close.
02:22:41.000And when you see that special thing, then I guess people kind of get lost in the void.
02:22:46.000When everybody's close to being just as good as each other, then you kind of just fight to get just a little bit better than the other guy.
02:22:52.000Just a little bit better than the other guy.
02:22:55.000But then when you get the Jon Jones that comes into the arena, and he's leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else, then you realize there's a bigger gap, and guys start closing that.
02:23:12.000I don't know if Jon Jones didn't exist, if he would rise to that occasion.
02:23:21.000So somebody's got to show up in the lightweight division at some point like that to make people raise their level.
02:23:29.000Because guys right now, which is the deepest and toughest division, but guys are so close.
02:24:26.000Yeah, he doesn't even have to think about the way he does those moves.
02:24:30.000I remember when you said that and when you say ragdolling people and RDA, RDA took that shot on him, I think he was in the third, and he hit him with an Uchimara, basically, from the overhook whizzer and tripped him, forcing it.
02:24:43.000And that's not an easy throw to hit, and especially from that range.
02:24:46.000It didn't look like it was going to happen, but he does it to the guy who goes on to become the world champion in that weight and then dominates other guys at that weight class.
02:26:02.000He's like moving into position and he's slowly closing you off and he's gonna choke you.
02:26:07.000It's a totally different kind of domination.
02:26:10.000But then, I don't know if it's entirely the fairest comparison, because Damien has obviously fought a much longer career, and he fought at 185, and he fought against Anderson.
02:26:49.000And you gotta wonder, is it because of that insane fucking aggressive style of his that makes it so fun to watch him, is that like you're kind of redlining your body too much?
02:27:10.000Yeah, but, I mean, can a guy like Damian Maia, who trains very technically, I mean, obviously he wrestles and he does a lot of chaotic movements as well, but probably not nearly with the kind of intensity that Nurmagomedov does.
02:27:25.000You gotta wonder, like, that style is obviously super effective and very fucking devastating and fun to watch, but I wonder if preparing for that style and executing that style is almost like ultimately too much on your joints, too much on your body.
02:27:41.000I guess the question would be then is can he be Nurmagomedov without that style?
02:27:49.000Does he have the skill to translate that to slowing it down and turning the volume down?
02:27:55.000Is that what you always wonder about when a fighter gets injured?
02:27:59.000When someone blows a knee out or something like that?
02:28:01.000That and the situation they're training in.
02:28:06.000To this day, you go into a boxing gym, and it's sparring day.
02:28:10.000You go up to wildcard, sparring day, and there's only two guys in the ring.
02:28:13.000There's only the two guys that are punching each other in the ring.
02:28:15.000You go to an MMA gym, and on the mat, you and I are working, but then Joe and someone else are working over here, and that guy tries to take Joe down, and he runs into my heel.
02:28:53.000The takedowns especially, because you know, as well as I do, if two guys are going at it, one guy's defending, and the other guys are really insistent, they could go all the way across the fucking gym.
02:29:01.000Everybody's seen it and everybody's like, whoa, [...
02:29:05.000Well, now you have all these takedown wet marks all over the mat and you have just these puddles.
02:32:24.000I think you're supposed to take it like...
02:32:26.000Like in the middle of it so that like when you come out of it your your body's already starting to Crank up its production if that might be completely unscientific though, but I do know that 5-HTP is supposed to help you so I gotta get some X and a 5-HTP I mean,
02:32:44.000and that's obviously not the best description of depression either.
02:32:47.000Sometimes people's depression is social, sometimes it's from life events, you know, who knows?
02:32:55.000Who knows what's causing someone to feel like shit.
02:35:54.000I mean, he's going to have to lose a significant amount of body weight.
02:35:57.000Nah, he's only made 160. I don't think he's ever made 55. He's 160. I think he fought 55 at the UFC. I think he fought 55 against Diego Sanchez.
02:37:42.000Dude, he was talking so much shit before that fight.
02:37:45.000To this day, I've said that was one of the most interesting things that I've seen as a commentator is, like, there's reactions that people have to certain things, and sometimes it's psychological shit.
02:37:56.000Like, sometimes there's these crazy moments where people, like, Ronda Rousey got in Holly Holm's face and was like, whoa, whoa, what the fuck is going on?
02:38:03.000Like, there's moments where you see in fights where you can, I mean, don't you feel like that?
02:38:09.000Yeah, there are times when shit like that happens where you just see that someone, you see it.
02:38:15.000You see who they really are for a split second.
02:38:17.000Yeah, but you see these weird moments when you see someone affected by shit talking and Nick got into the cage with Robbie Lawler and he starts going, Stockton, motherfucker!
02:39:53.000And it's incredible how quickly it would sap guys.
02:39:56.000Well, you could see it just drain them.
02:39:58.000It's like, I think like where I was at 20, like what I was into at 20, and like at 20, he's like that, he's that kid that was on like the cross-country team.
02:43:38.000He was like 17. He's really good, though.
02:43:42.000Yeah, you don't see their ground game that often because they like to strike.
02:43:48.000Like, the entire last fight with Conor was almost entirely a stand-up fight.
02:43:54.000But when you see him, when he gets guys to the ground, like the way he went through Conor, that whole sequence of beating him up, taking his back, and then choking him, that was very sharp.
02:44:37.000This is the first time when the UFC has put together a card, the 205 card.
02:44:43.000For me, in my personal opinion, when they pipe it as the biggest card ever, I'm like, yeah, this is the biggest card ever, but there's like two or three good fights on it.
02:46:33.000Because how many guys can give you that full sort of Farah Zahabi, Matt Hume sort of experience where they've got black belt level jujitsu, like real world class striking.
02:46:43.000They really know what the fuck they're doing and they understand the game deep, deep, in and out.
02:47:02.000He found a guy who was a pioneer of the sport, who was a real high-level Muay Thai guy, real high-level black belt in jiu-jitsu, and competed at a real high level in Japan.
02:47:58.000There's so many guys now that are at that point, and this next generation of guys, they're not going to have to go to a jiu-jitsu gym and then to a kickboxing place.
02:48:09.000They're going to have these coaches that know the game, that they're teaching them mixed martial arts and not teaching them individual parts of it.
02:48:16.000Don't you think there's still going to be specialized coaches, though, for each individual thing?
02:48:20.000Because those guys from that generation know that, hey, they're good at it all together, but there are still parts of it that their rating is not going to be 100. Right.
02:48:32.000Well, like, Dwayne Ludwig is probably a real good example of that, because obviously Dwayne kickboxed at a real high level.
02:49:33.000Again, the best, most complimentary way possible, but he's a freak.
02:49:37.000Yeah, because see, when Trump becomes president, and then society falls, and we get buried under ashes, a thousand years from now, somebody's going to find that manuscript.
02:52:13.000When you said that guy is starting to do, um, getting into some MMA, when you look at, like, kickboxes this level...
02:52:20.000I think like they should if they want to get an MMA keep kickboxing and take like a year and really straight most of the time wrestle you know yeah play with the submission play the submission game and just learn it understand it but learn how to wrestle right first like after their kickboxing because when you can wrestle and you're comfortable and confident and throwing your kick throwing out your real kickboxing skills Right.
02:55:31.000Like, you don't know that they're hurt, and they keep fighting, and there's some inflammation, and later they realize there's a big-ass tear in their MCL or something.
02:55:58.000I mean, it kind of also seems like my thing, or my question about a guy like Nurmagomedov, who has that insane pedal to the metal style, whereas you, who, although you had a very aggressive style, it was very well thought out.
02:56:14.000It was very technical in your approach.
02:57:10.000He wrote some funny shit about Brendan Schaub And these two girls were having a pillow fight, and Brendan Schaub's concerned they're going to get CTE. He's funny, man.
02:57:22.000I guess, like, he listens to the fighter and the kid, and maybe Brendan Schaub's been talking too much about CTE, but he was just being hilarious.
02:57:29.000Schaub would want to have these girls diagnosed for CTE. But he's like, in my opinion, when it comes to kickboxing, he's the epitome of technique, you know, of a technical fighter.
03:02:33.000Elite guys at the lighter weight classes, they could move quick enough to pull off that upward stance?
03:02:39.000Yeah, so the whole, like, if you think about, like, Muay Thai, like, it was designed as, like, a martial arts for a bunch of people that are 135 pounds.
03:03:21.000Because it seems like when I think about a traditional Thai style, it's kind of squaring up and Throwing straight shots and trying to land that hard kick to the body.
03:05:59.000I don't think it's bad that Bellator does good.
03:06:02.000And I think it's great what they're doing now where they're taking fighters who did well in the UFC and maybe it didn't work out for them or maybe they decided to try to test their options like Rory McDonald, Phil Davis.
03:06:19.000He's a world-class welterweight in anybody's book.
03:06:22.000What happens because of that is because now you bring these guys with that UFC level experience, because some of those Bellator guys can walk right into the UFC and do well.
03:06:34.000But when you bring that UFC level experience back to the Bellator cage, then that's the same thing that I was saying before about that void.
03:06:43.000There's a point now these guys can raise their level some.
03:06:46.000The guys that aren't there, but they're in that environment.
03:07:31.000I mean, people say that his style is boring or that they don't like it because he just gets on top of guys and becomes a blanket and punches him in the face.
03:10:56.000Well, that would be an interesting fight if they weren't that good friends, stylistically, because Tyron's a really good wrestler, too, and that crazy knockout power.
03:11:05.000Honestly, in an MMA fight, I think it's bad for Ben simply because they know each other so well, and Tyron is more explosive with the striking.
03:15:40.000In the first period sometimes, like, quickly.
03:15:44.000Dean says to me, the first time he met Ben, or the first time he worked out with Ben, he's like, Ben just asks him, he goes, do you know what a sprawl is?
03:15:54.000He couldn't do anything about what Ben was doing to him.
03:15:57.000So Ben didn't know if he knew how to sprawl.
03:16:01.000Like Dean Thomas doesn't know how to sprawl.
03:24:06.000It's all that power that allows him to get the chokes off better.
03:24:09.000I feel like it's one of those things where he's figured out just how to use exactly the right amount of muscle in the right direction to control you with his leg.
03:24:21.000Like using his leg as if it's a hand to grab.
03:24:56.000Or at least he didn't for a long time, and that was his rationale.
03:24:59.000I mean, he might have changed and went to it now, but I know for the longest time he wasn't interested in those.
03:25:04.000He was just interested in putting motherfuckers to sleep.
03:25:07.000He was like, hmm, all you have to do is get a hold of that neck, and if I become a specialist in squeezing necks, I'm just going to put everybody to sleep, and I don't need to be messing up your shoulder or anything.
03:29:03.000But he looked like a world beater when you fought you in the first round, too.
03:29:06.000I mean, he's got a first gear that's pretty fucking sensational.
03:29:11.000Oh, I mean, he's a traditional Muay Thai guy.
03:29:15.000So all of his fights, he's got 49 fights that are all Muay Thai.
03:29:18.000And, like, where he beat me the first two times is he's, like, incredibly strong and good in the clinch and will, like, zap you and hold you and...
03:30:40.000If I showed you Simon and I a second fight where he held on to me for two minutes out of every round up against the ropes and nothing was happening and I was just sitting there getting squeezed and I'm talking to Steve Mazzagotti like, hey, nothing's happening here.
03:33:24.000He hasn't badly hurt, the round ends, and then Romero stays on his stool for a long time.
03:33:29.000He stayed on his stool for the full minute, and then stayed on his stool at the end of the round, and he just stayed there and looked at John McCarthy, and they cleared out the corner.
03:33:39.000I forget, like, what all the shenanigans were that was going on, but it was clear that he had been hurt, and then time was of the essence, and they didn't start the round on time.
03:33:47.000So a lot of people thought, well, the fight should have been stopped right there.
03:36:48.000Sean Yarbrough broke Stephen Richards' forearm with a body kick.
03:36:54.000And it was like one line fight, like one of the first line fights.
03:36:57.000Snapped his forearm, and Steven Richards went out and beat him for the decision in the final.
03:37:03.000He just kept clenching him up and dumping him and shit, but he broke his arm, and you could see, and they're holding it after the fight, and you could see a huge dent.
03:39:30.000Man, if I was in my prime right now and I was in the UFC, I would have to be at 45. These dudes are so much bigger than we were 10 years ago.
03:40:58.000I know that everybody does it to gain a competitive advantage, but wouldn't it be better if it was just all even, even weight, like, honest?
03:41:06.000Like, fuck this competitive advantage shit.
03:41:12.000I think that's how you solve the problem.
03:41:13.000We can't have a 170, then a 185, then a 205, then a 265 and expect people to not cut weight.
03:41:19.000They're going to fucking cut weight, 100%.
03:41:21.000Your options are fight gorillas at 265 or you weigh 230. Are we going to deal with fucking Shane Carwin on top of you or something like that?
03:41:33.000You've got to make that 205. You're going to suck it up.
03:41:35.000Because there should be a weight class every 10 pounds.
03:41:38.000And I think with fighters, like, what really matters, what everybody cares about, is who the best guys fight.
03:41:45.000Like, the best guys fighting the best guys.
03:41:47.000You know, whether Nurmagomedov and Conor McGregor had a belt or not, right?
03:41:51.000If Nurmagomedov didn't have the 155-pound belt and Conor McGregor didn't have the 155-pound belt, it would be worth more to watch those two go at it at 155 pounds than it would for me to watch maybe Eddie Alvarez defend it against somebody else.
03:42:08.000I just want to see, if it's not Conor or not some high-level guy, I'd be more interested in seeing the high-level guys who don't have the belt.
03:42:17.000But if you were to make more weight classes, then you'd get super fights.
03:42:24.000You get the 160-pound champion versus the 150-pound champion, and it's like, this is a fight that people want to see because it's not that much of a difference.
03:42:33.000You know, they gave people a little bit of a break by letting fighters weigh in early now.
03:42:37.000You can weigh in between like 8 and 10 a.m.
03:42:39.000And that way, by the time the weigh-in ceremony goes on at like 4 p.m., you're fully hydrated.
03:43:37.000Usually those last three pounds are like death.
03:43:40.000I wake up fight morning, I'm sorry, weigh in morning at like 158 maybe.
03:43:45.000If I'm heavy, I'm 158. Most of the time I wake up at 56, 57. Well, I mean, I think you were lucky in the sense that you were in that, your body fit right in there with that weight class.
03:43:58.000If you were a little bit bigger, maybe it would be an issue.
03:44:00.000Like, maybe what if you were a little bit bigger but not quite big enough for 170?
03:44:25.000But I don't think, ideally, his weight would be 55. I think his ideal weight would probably be like 65 or 60, you know, somewhere in that range.
03:44:33.000I think if they went 50, 150, 160, or 155, 65, 75, 85, I mean, they could do it that way easily.
03:44:40.000But 10 pounds, I think, is the right number.
03:44:45.000So you think the 4 or 5 pounds of boxing is too small of a weight?
03:44:50.000It's interesting because I think it's more of a factor in MMA than it is in boxing.
03:46:23.000He said he was going to do it and then he went and did it.
03:46:26.000He said it between rounds and then he went and did it.
03:46:29.000You just couldn't imagine anybody at that time in particular having better footwork.
03:46:34.000It's amazing where boxing went, because if you watch some of the old Jack Johnson stuff, you watch how they used to hold their hands differently, they threw punches differently, and then you see some Jack Dempsey like,
03:46:50.000oh, okay, well this is starting to become a little bit more like modern boxing.
03:49:22.000The problem with those pride stories is I definitely wasn't there, but it's pretty much agreed upon that Crazy Horse in some way punched Vandele Silva in the face, and it was not a good thing.
03:49:33.000And it's pretty much been proven that Cristiano Marcelo choked Crazy Horse out in a triangle.
03:49:42.000So those two things, we know one for sure happened, and the other one, it's pretty much known that they had some sort of a fist fight, and the Crazy Horse punched him.
03:49:51.000And Crazy Horse keeps saying, I'll knock you out, just like I did the last time, motherfucker.
03:53:56.000I think, and now people are just now starting to accept it because of MMA or whatever, but I think boxing history in the U.S. for so long, and America being such a self-contained sports and entertainment industry...
03:54:10.000So self-contained in the sports and entertainment industry that people just don't want to see kicks.
03:57:07.000The world is so much more diverse than the 818. Man, you say that, but when I came here from Texas, I thought Texas was pretty diverse, and it is in its own right, but in Texas, I felt like there were...
03:57:22.000In Houston, specifically, there is a part of Houston that's a Vietnamese community, and there's a part of Houston that's a Hispanic community, and then you have black and white people.
03:57:34.000But, like, you come here, and it's like, there's Armenians, and there's Russians, and there's Vietnamese, and Koreans, and Chinese, and Japanese, and, like, everybody's here.
03:57:43.000This is really diverse compared to what it's like in Texas.
03:58:02.000Do you feel like, like in particular, like you were saying about the Confederate flags, you feel like Houston and Texas in general still has just a little too much old stupid shit going on there in terms of racism and mentality and...
03:59:17.000If you get on a highway in Texas, in any direction, say you start in the center of Houston, you get on a highway with no traffic, any direction in 30 minutes, you're not in the city anymore.
03:59:33.000You're where houses are far apart and they're huge.
04:02:27.000LaGuardia and JFK. Either way, you leave Manhattan, those towns that you have to go through, there's sometimes you're driving on these little tiny-ass fucking super narrow roads, and you're like, this is it?
04:02:39.000This is all these fucking people are going to the airport?
04:11:32.000All seven billion people on the planet shitting into this one tube.
04:11:39.000And out of that tube mixes with our...
04:11:44.000Terrible pollution shit monster is born Crawls out kills us all That's uh Ironically, that's what did in a goat son That's one of the things that did in a lot of civilizations is their hygiene You know a lot of civilizations had serious problems like with their sewage Like figuring out how to get their shit away from everything.
04:12:09.000That's going on in India now, isn't it?
04:12:33.000No, there's people that are living really poor, for sure.
04:12:37.000And that's just one part of the world, right?
04:12:39.000I think it'd be pretty humbling if any of us ever went there and spent some time there.
04:12:44.000So, I was thinking about this the other day when I saw some relief aid going to Haiti, right?
04:12:50.000And it's like, yeah, something bad just happened there, but there are places that are in that same situation without something bad happening and there's really no aid going to them.
04:13:02.000Like, is it only a good thing to help people when a tragedy happens?
04:13:26.000You know, it's almost like we're getting close to the point where, you know, we see all these GoFundMes and all these campaigns like that.
04:13:37.000It seems like if someone had figured out a way to attach...
04:13:43.000A purchasing app like amazon.com or something like that and attach an option to donate to specific charities like you could set that up and they would just round it off like say if you're buying something that's three dollars and fifty cents they round it off to four dollars and just do that with everybody and no matter what it would be it would round up To the next dollar.
04:14:07.000And so you just take all that money from all these purchases.
04:14:10.000Think about how many millions of dollars a day must be generated by a purchasing app like Amazon.com.
04:14:16.000And if you just round it off to the next dollar and donated all that money, think about how much crazy shit could get done.
04:14:41.000If we all just agreed as a society that no matter what the money is, it's $4.64, round that bitch off to $5, and that money goes into the be-a-good-human pool.
04:14:55.000How many orders does Amazon get per day?
04:15:18.000If you can afford to buy that new toothbrush, that electric toothbrush with the Darth Vader sounds, you can afford to give that extra $0.30 to those kids in Bangladesh.
04:15:30.000I don't think those cents do mean a lot to the individual, but I think they mean a lot collectively.
04:15:35.000I think when you're looking at millions of orders, that could be an insane force of good.
04:15:40.000Like, if Amazon wanted to get people to love them again...
04:15:44.000Sometimes people like hear about it like the people that work at Amazon Apparently it's like it's insane like if you're working in the factory You got like a timer that goes off when someone's when someone's order gets placed You have like a clipboard like one of those iPad things and there's like some sort of a timer on it And you got to run to where the item is and get it and get it in a box quickly like it's it's like super Tight ship they run over there They get everybody to love them again.
04:16:10.000It sounds like something that a company like that would have automated.
04:19:32.000We were trying to figure out how much of your actual donation goes to the charity and how much goes to fees and the people that work there, getting paid and the rent and all the...
04:23:05.000They've controlled positions for brief moments with a short grab, and then the referee didn't see it, or the referee did see it, and they said, stop grabbing the shorts, but they had already did it.
04:23:13.000All that could be eliminated with tights.
04:23:15.000But then if you're wearing tights, and you get caught in a kimura, how do you grab your own shorts?
04:23:53.000Should you be able to grab your shorts to choke a guy?
04:23:55.000Like, if you wrap your leg around a guy's neck, right?
04:23:58.000And then you reach behind, like, the back of his head, and you almost, like, Ezekiel choke your own pants and choke him with your own shorts?
04:25:08.000Jamie, is it legal to choke someone in MMA while holding onto your own glove?
04:25:14.000Because you definitely hold your glove if you're doing a guillotine, like a lot of guys do a guillotine like this, and they clamp down on the glove, and they do it this way.
04:25:23.000But I think the issue is in grabbing inside your glove.
04:25:26.000Because then it's like you've got a leather handle.
04:25:29.000If you can get all your fingers in there, That's a really good grip.
04:25:34.000Yeah, but I still don't see why it wouldn't be legal.
04:25:37.000I guess you could get your fingers in here.
04:26:02.000You keep grabbing clothes and everyone's going to be fighting in tights.
04:26:05.000Dude, it was awesome back in the day to see Coise Gracie with a fucking gi on, go in there and just wrap guys up, drag them down, strangle them.
04:27:07.000I didn't take part in a dojo storm I took part in having to deal with guys that came over from other schools They wanted to like test themselves like in most of them were there's a lot of them.
04:27:16.000They're just delusional and crazy It's a lot of people that came to martial arts schools seemed to be nuts.
04:27:22.000Yeah, you know Yeah, did you ever see that video?
04:27:25.000It's a really disturbing one We played it a couple of weeks ago of this guy who was a karate student karate teacher in Connecticut He was also a cop And him and his students beat the fuck out of this homeless guy.
04:27:38.000Like, they brought the guy in, and the guy, like, was, he was just a crazy person.
04:27:42.000He was saying he knew karate, and he was throwing, like, crazy kicks and shit.
04:27:45.000And so they had, like, essentially a fight to the death.
04:28:04.000He probably knew how to throw a few kicks here and there, but the other guy, I mean, it wasn't long before he was on his back and the other guy was stomping his head.
04:28:43.000It was NHB. I mean, there wasn't even NHB then.
04:28:47.000We had Hickson in, and Hickson was telling us the stories of the old Luta Libre rivalries between the Jiu-Jitsu guys and the Luta Libre guys.
04:28:56.000He would go there, and there'd be guys waiting.
04:29:08.000Smart way to seal up a choke, if it's legal.
04:29:12.000But Hickson was talking about these crazy dojo wars.
04:29:15.000If you ever listen to that podcast, if somebody wants to hear a good jiu-jitsu podcast from a master, just having a conversation with the master, like Hickson, he's not just the master, but a real pioneer, you know?
04:34:04.000Because he had fought in Japan Valley Tudo, ran through everybody, and there had been no one that had presented any, like, real serious challenges to him.
04:34:12.000Then he fought Takata, ran through Takata.
04:38:02.000If you went back and you read about the tales of Miyamoto Musashi and all of his sword fights, you'd want to hear about those from someone who actually knew about them and they could tell you about them.
04:38:14.000We're so lucky because, obviously, it's not the same as sword fights, but these crazy legendary martial arts stories, they happened in our lifetime.
04:38:22.000So it's not like we're hearing about something from the 1400s.
04:38:25.000We're hearing about some shit that happened in the year 95. It's kind of cool.
04:38:38.000My son, he just turned 13 this summer, but about two or three years ago, he was like 10 or 11, we were in Austin.
04:38:45.000I was like, you know what, Yvonne, we're going to do a podcast together.
04:38:48.000So we sat down and we talked for an hour, and it's just for me, and I'm going to leave it for him.
04:38:53.000But we talked about a bunch of stuff, and it was one of the coolest conversations I've ever had.
04:38:58.000You should probably do that with your girls, because when they're older, and if you're gone when they're older, When they're your age now, right?
04:39:06.000They'll have that to go back and listen to if they want to.
04:42:39.000And it turned out really what it was, was just he was desperate.
04:42:44.000In a real bad situation with the IRS. And so they were trying to figure out some way to generate money.
04:42:51.000And one of the ways they said, look, let's just see if we can come up with a crazy pay-per-view fight.
04:42:57.000And they wanted to fight Jean-Claude Van Damme in some pay-per-view fight.
04:43:00.000The guy they brought it to was this guy, Campbell McLaren, who was one of the original producers of the UFC. And he's like, look, nobody's going to pay to see you and Jean-Claude Van Damme fight.
04:43:44.000And I was training for it for quite a while.
04:43:45.000I was training for it for a couple of months, and I was fucking tired all the time.
04:43:50.000I was training with Rob Kamen, and I was doing jujitsu.
04:43:54.000So I'd be hitting paths when Rob came in and sparring with him and sparring with some of his students and then I'd go to Jiu Jitsu and I was fucking tired and it made me...
04:44:02.000I always knew how hard it was to be a professional MMA fighter.
04:44:11.000I'd seen guys like Connor Hewn who was like a young guy who was coming up in the...
04:44:15.000Amateur ranks and I was seeing him fight out of legends.
04:44:18.000So I knew the requirement of it, but until you I mean the Piss-ass amount of training that I was doing in comparison to what it is to fight in the UFC or something like that It just gave me way more of an appreciation for just how much how much it takes out of your life Because it's not just the amount of time that you're spent training It's like when you're done training you're fucking tired And you're not gonna get a lot of other things done and if you do you're gonna be cranky,
04:44:48.000And he just decided not to do it, apparently.
04:44:50.000And when it became more obvious that they didn't want money, they wanted to put him in jail.
04:44:54.000They wanted to put him in jail and set an example.
04:44:56.000I think this was all while his court case was still going on.
04:44:59.000I don't want to talk out of school because I don't know what the...
04:45:01.000The exact issue was, but they wanted to put him in jail for tax evasion because he had some guy who apparently was advising him incorrectly about how much taxes he had to pay or whether or not he had to pay taxes at all.
04:45:14.000I don't know the whole story, but that was what was going on.
04:46:51.000He was like my age, my size, and he used to just rape me.
04:46:55.000It was just no denying that this dude, if we were in a fight, he would be able to choke the fucking life out of me, and I would only be able to hold him off for a certain amount of time.
04:47:14.000It taught me a lot because I wrestled in high school, and I'd done a lot of martial arts tournaments as far as taekwondo tournaments, and I'd done some of that American kickboxing, and I had a totally delusional sense of how much I could keep someone off of me,
04:49:13.000When they get in a car accident, it's that same buzz.
04:49:17.000When you see those films, if you've never experienced that, when you see those films where it's a car accident or a big hit and they do that effect, just imagine all of that but inside your own head.
04:49:29.000It's really just like that for about two to three seconds as it clears up.
04:49:34.000I remember when Tito Ortiz body slammed Evan Tanner and KO'd him with a body slam.
04:53:23.000I mean, and that's because of the balls of the Fertittas.
04:53:26.000Cough up all that cash, you know, get $44 million in the hole and sticking with it, and then eventually the Ultimate Fighter finale airs, and Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin put on that crazy show, and then it all springs from there.
04:53:38.000It's pretty incredible that you're looking at today, you know, major events on Fox.
04:55:48.000Oh, you think you're just gonna come over now, huh?
04:55:50.000You don't even have to bring diamonds.
04:55:51.000Is that gonna be like a once a year thing?
04:55:55.000I think Madison Square Garden will for sure be a once a year thing.
04:55:58.000The question remains, did they decide to rub it in the face of all those corrupt cocksuckers that kept it out of New York for so long and keep generating these gigantic super mega cards in New York so it shows everybody the massive amount of revenue that it brings into the city?
04:56:14.000Not just in the actual ticket sales itself, the taxes that are generated from the merchandise, but then All the affecting businesses, they're going to see a boom from all these people that are leaving that are going to go to bars and restaurants.
04:56:27.000And they're going to see some of the craziest shit they've ever seen in their life.
04:56:30.000So when people see crazy shit like that, they spend a lot of money, man.
04:56:34.000They start drinking and fucking eating crazy food.
04:56:37.000It's going to be giant financially for the city.
04:56:40.000And if they decide to just throw a mega tsunami card like this one...
04:57:41.000And it's got millions of pay-per-view buys.
04:57:44.000So if you're putting on like whether it's UFC 100 or UFC 200 or 201, you're getting into these hundreds of millions of people all throughout the world that are watching something that you can't have in your state.