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00:00:35.000Because, man, sometimes, you know, I can train all day, you know, but if I do something like this, like autograph signing or any, like, things that require more, I would say, You know, meet and greet and stuff like that,
00:00:51.000that take more out of me than a physical, something physical like a training.
00:00:56.000That's just because you're accustomed to training all the time.
00:00:59.000It's like everything else, like the more accustomed to it you are, the easier it is.
00:02:21.000You cannot, you know, in regards of perhaps martial art, yes, but in terms of life, I'm like, in terms of knowledge, you can teach me so much more than I can do.
00:03:03.000I think he likes it and I ask him about what he thinks about free will, if he thinks at one point AI could be a potential threat for humanity.
00:03:24.000I never, like, before I met Lex, like, yesterday, before that, I thought that free will was just an illusion and everything is a result of causality, right?
00:04:29.000But why can you do it and why can other people not do it?
00:04:34.000How much of your personality was instilled upon you because of your genetics, because of your life experiences, because of the environment that you grew up in?
00:04:45.000How much of it was the people that you experienced when you were younger that showed you the value and the benefit of hard work?
00:04:52.000And how many of the people that you mirrored were lazy and then found excuses?
00:05:25.000But I feel that us as human beings sometimes, our ego, want us to be...
00:05:32.000In control of the universe, which is, I do not believe it's the case.
00:05:36.000So that's why I tend to, before I met Lex, I was 100% convinced there is no free will.
00:05:44.000And, you know, everything is determined by causality.
00:05:49.000Now I'm not so sure because we talk about consciousness, what it is, and he had some incredible argument and he made me see a different point of view that I never seen before.
00:06:11.000And one of the things that he does now, he has this art collection that he's selling on his website.
00:06:18.000And it's all these inspirational quotes.
00:06:21.000And the idea is to put up this art with all these inspirational quotes and that will give you fuel to get through your workouts or get through difficult things that you want to do in your life.
00:06:31.000How many people post inspirational things online?
00:06:35.000And then how many people read those things and get excited and it inspires them to action?
00:07:22.000Well, however, there's, for example, a A quote that can inspire you.
00:07:27.000But to me, it doesn't have the same effect because of my background.
00:07:31.000It doesn't get me to my core because I cannot rely really much to it.
00:07:35.000So it's a little bit of determinism because it's the causality that makes it who I am and who you are that The effect of that quote as on you is different than it has on me.
00:07:48.000Or you could both grow up in the same environment.
00:07:50.000You could have a brother that's inspired by things that are not even remotely inspirational to you.
00:09:07.000The open-ended variability of your decisions and what you decide to do and what you don't decide to do.
00:09:13.000There's moments in your life where you go, fuck it, I'm going to go for it.
00:09:18.000And when you do go for it, your life changes.
00:09:20.000What makes you say, fuck it, I'm going to go for it?
00:09:23.000It depends entirely on what happened that day to you.
00:09:26.000It depends entirely on how you feel, whether or not you got rest, whether or not you broke up with a girlfriend, or she broke up with you, or you got fired from a job, or you quit a job, or you took on a new path in life.
00:09:38.000All those different things play a factor.
00:09:40.000But there's also your own personal decision making that's based on your own personality and maybe your own life experiences.
00:10:14.000And I think there's something to that.
00:10:16.000It's like you need to seek out inspiration.
00:10:18.000And that's why, again, people like David Goggins are so inspirational because you can go to his page every day and that motherfucker's running 30 miles a day.
00:10:49.000There's one, it's like, yeah, you are a lot of who you are because of genetics and because of life experience and because of all the things that have happened to you.
00:10:58.000But there's also decisions that you make.
00:10:59.000There's lines in the sand where you draw.
00:11:01.000There's moments where you say, I'm going to do something different now.
00:11:42.000You see that very often in a career of a In mixed martial arts, some of the guys, they've been protected for too long, and then when they face a real challenge, they fall.
00:11:52.000And I think guys, perhaps like David Goggins, or when I heard their backstories, because they faced adversity, they had to face an incredible amount of adversity, and they were able to overcome each of it.
00:12:05.000And they become stronger because what doesn't kill you make you stronger, right?
00:12:09.000Or it fucks you up to the point where you're weaker than you were before.
00:12:32.000I think it's very important to teach that to kids.
00:12:37.000The importance of hard work, the importance of adversity.
00:12:41.000The importance of, you know, not to break them right when they're young and make them lose their confidence, because I believe confidence is everything, right?
00:12:49.000If you don't have, you can have all the skills in the world, but if you don't have confidence, it's like someone who has a lot of money in his bank account, but no way of accessing it.
00:12:57.000So, by facing adversity and overcoming it, you're building your confidence.
00:13:03.000That's why sports are so important for kids.
00:14:02.000Sometimes it can fold you, it can break you, but it can make you much stronger.
00:14:05.000This is a good point of discussion because the way mixed martial arts fighters, particularly in the large organizations, whether it's the UFC or Bellator or what have you, they're developed very differently than boxing.
00:14:20.000In boxing, they take a fighter and the goal is to keep that fighter undefeated as long as possible.
00:14:36.000They'll give you an opponent that's a very good inside fighter, give you an opponent who's got a longer reach and fights very well from the outside, and show you all these various problems that you're going to encounter when you face a world-class opponent.
00:14:48.000Whereas in the MMA, you just get fucking thrown into the wolves.
00:15:09.000I believe the reason why it is like that is because if you look at the UFC, for example, look at UFC, the way they promote the event.
00:15:18.000UFC is like the Vaseline of petrol jelly.
00:15:22.000People don't say, hey, I watch mixed martial arts.
00:15:25.000They say, I watch UFC. So the way they promote it, it's UFC 226, this guy versus this guy on the bottom, but they promote the UFC. They don't promote the fighter.
00:22:08.000And there is sometimes we don't have the technology nowadays sometimes to see if potentially you'll have problems in the future, right?
00:22:15.000Well, my hope is that the technology, medical technology, will improve to the point where we can regenerate neurons and help people that have CTE. That's my real hope.
00:22:24.000And there is some light on the horizon when it comes to that.
00:22:28.000There are some therapies that are available now that were not available just 5-10 years ago.
00:25:06.000Just riding jet skis and bouncing off of waves.
00:25:10.000He said it rattles your brain inside your head.
00:25:14.000And people have cognitive problems, memory problems, and it turns out they're experiencing CTE. Dr. Kent in Boston told me that if you know any kids, if you have any kids, don't ever let him get hit on the head.
00:25:27.000Or if you play soccer, never hit the ball with your head.
00:25:58.000It's the happiest place for me to go because I can practice the sport that I love, because I love training, you know, I love the science of fighting.
00:26:05.000And it's very sad, too, because after training, there's always some guys that come to me because they seek some advice.
00:26:13.000And I always give them advice regarding fighting.
00:26:17.000A lot of them, my advice for them would be, hey bro, you should hang up your gloves and find a real job.
00:26:24.000Because I've seen this movie and it's not a good ending, my friend.
00:27:49.000This giant hurricane of possibilities for someone to come out of that and be a George St-Pierre or be a Khabib Nurmagomedov or a Jon Jones or someone who's exceptional.
00:28:45.000The great coaching is so important, too.
00:28:47.000There's so many guys that are really talented, but they have meathead coaches.
00:28:51.000And the coaches train them the wrong way so they spar full blast in the gym and then they go out and they lose and then their coach has them sparring a couple weeks after they get knocked out and that kind of shit.
00:29:02.000And they don't have the technical prowess, the technical proficiency to teach a child or a kid or an athlete right.
00:29:34.000Of course, when you're in training camp and your fight is coming up, you need to somehow try to recreate that environment of discomfort, that stress.
00:29:45.000But when you're outside of that preparation zone, you need to be playful.
00:29:52.000And that's when you improve, when it's playful, when it's like a game.
00:29:57.000Because you will be more prone to trying new things.
00:30:01.000And by trying new things, you'll adapt.
00:30:03.000You'll be like, oh, this one works, this one doesn't work.
00:30:06.000But the one that works, I keep it in my back pocket.
00:32:33.000And real fighters will know that when I'm talking about the connection that we have because you look at each other and this connection you cannot see it when you watch a fight on TV. But very often in most of my fight When I went to decision, I could see the guy breaking,
00:35:22.000There's guys that were very scary in the beginning, but then after, when some other guys figured out how to beat them, they're like, oh, okay, they're not so scary anymore.
00:35:33.000But even guys that are really scary, like Anderson Silva, it's usually multiple punches that he would knock you out with.
00:35:40.000With Francis, you can't make any mistakes.
00:38:40.000Like, Wonderboy, he's right-handed, but he fights, in my opinion, at his best when he's right-leg forward because he throws front-leg kicks.
00:39:43.000But that's always one of the reasons why champions are champions, is that they are self-critical.
00:39:48.000If you just think everything you do is amazing and you don't have any room for improvement...
00:39:53.000I think some of the reason why champions become champions is this terrible discomfort of analyzing themselves and not liking certain aspects of what they're doing and finding flaws in their technique or watching a tape.
00:40:06.000Ah, I shouldn't have got hit with that.
00:40:09.000You get crazy and angry and then you train harder.
00:40:12.000The people that are self-satisfied, they're really easily satisfied with their work, they never reach the level of champion because they don't feel that horrible discomfort.
00:40:21.000When you're looking at yourself and you don't like what you see.
00:40:24.000Yeah, and my friend C.T. Fletcher says that.
00:40:43.000I... I wanted to come back for Khabib because it was...
00:40:51.000For a fighter, the scariest thing sometimes is the most exciting thing to do, and it's a problem that's never been solved before.
00:40:57.000But to come back for another guy and fight for another title, if I win, it's going to be another one after, and another one, and another one.
00:43:05.000But I think psychologically for a fighter, it's hard to come back from a knockout.
00:43:13.000But it's probably harder to come back from a fight where you've been dominated and broken for five rounds, like where you clearly know that you did not belong there with the team.
00:44:30.000When you know you're always going to be second place, you're never going to beat the champion, and then you have to continue fighting.
00:44:37.000There's that moment where you see a fighter who was a promising prospect early in his career, and then somewhere along the line, he accepts the fact that he's a journeyman.
00:45:07.000If you enjoy just competing, if you're happy being someone who just competes and you're just trying to do your best every time, there's nothing wrong with that.
00:45:15.000But in my opinion, if you started out to be the best in the world and then somewhere along the line you changed and you don't want to be the best in the world anymore, you just want to compete, just get out.
00:46:20.000We were talking about how the fact that you just trained with Freddie Roach, and before this we were talking about how you're going to go to Puerto Rico and train with the Donna Hurt Death Squad.
00:46:28.000You're going to go down and train with those guys.
00:46:29.000You're literally going to go to a fucking island to go do Jiu Jitsu.
00:46:33.000I like the confidence that martial arts give me because I started when I was very young and it saved my life because I started when I was bullied in school and it became an habit and if I don't do it,
00:46:56.000I'm not happy and I don't feel confident.
00:47:00.000I remember when I was a kid, I was looking at myself in the mirror and I didn't like myself.
00:47:05.000I didn't like what I saw in myself because I wanted to change my environment.
00:47:13.000Martial art taught me that if you want to change your environment, you want to change yourself, you need to love yourself first.
00:49:02.000I think it is with you, because I think that scar forces you to continue to grow and learn.
00:49:07.000And even though your competitive career as a professional and as a champion may or may not be done, depending on whether or not Dana White shows up for a check.
00:49:16.000You need to show up with a good check and at the right time.
00:49:20.000So the money and the timing, Dana, very important.
00:50:40.000Of course, if you look at Competition in mixed martial arts, sometimes it has a very violent ending.
00:50:49.000But what it can bring to an individual, it's so much more positive than what you see sometimes on TV. And I think it would benefit the bullies too.
00:51:02.000I've always said, like, people say, like, what's the best way to stop bullying?
00:51:07.000Because a lot of the reasons why the bullies do it, because they're looking for some sort of external validation.
00:51:11.000They're looking to dominate people to make themselves feel better.
00:51:14.000But if they could just learn martial arts, the people that we know that are good at martial arts are some of the nicest people in the world.
00:53:51.000So they train harder than ever and they're terrified of that weakness.
00:53:55.000So they're a horrifying fighter to face because they've faced the worst possible feeling you can face.
00:54:00.000Sometimes the worst feeling you can face as a fighter is not loss, but failing yourself, knowing that you could have done more, but quitting.
00:54:10.000Joe, I'm happy I'm in Vegas because last time I'm in...
00:55:23.000But people, sometimes they should understand, they should know when they're done.
00:55:30.000Why would I take unnecessary damage and be unconscious?
00:55:38.000I was able to save myself perhaps for another day.
00:55:41.000And those extra punches that perhaps I would have taken and knocked me out cold, Would have made it in a way that I would have perhaps because the brain damage never have to be able to come back and have the greatest run that I had after.
00:56:52.000Scenarios that happen with Matt Serra is playing in my mind.
00:56:57.000Sometimes in the fight, the time stops.
00:56:59.000And it's like in Rocky, you know, like you see, it goes slow motion and you have time to think about stuff that seems to take more times.
00:57:11.000So I'm in my butt and I see Carlos Condit coming to me and I'm like, I've seen this before.
00:57:17.000And I know now that if I try to stand up right away to get back in the fight because of my ego to show him that I'm not hurt and show the people that I'm not hurt, I might get knocked out.
00:57:30.000So I step on my ego, I lean back, I use the guard, the shield to parry the punches and I'm able to survive it because now I know that It's the loss of Matt Serra and the experience that I gained from it that made me survive that kick to the head that Carlos Condit gave me.
00:57:51.000Isn't that interesting how that bad moment was so valuable?
00:57:55.000That kind of experience is so valuable.
00:57:58.000There's very often in life negative experience that you don't understand At the time, because you go through a depressive moment.
00:58:09.000But later on in your life, you'll be like, man, that thing's helped me.
00:58:15.000Like when I was bullied in school, I was always complaining about myself.
00:58:21.000It was a very negative experience for me.
00:58:24.000But now I know that it helped me to deal with the mental warfare that I have to deal with in my career in mixed martial arts.
00:58:33.000Because in mixed martial arts, it's a lot of mind games.
00:58:36.000I was able to put a shield on myself because of the experience I had in bullying.
00:58:42.000You could say whatever you want to me.
01:00:30.000So I wanted to give it back right away so we can shut everybody's mouth and, you know, I can say, you see, it was just a little mistake and that's it.
01:00:37.000But if you use it for that particular thing, it could be a big mistake.
01:01:45.000They knew Duran was partying, so they got him a fight on short notice, and he had to lose a lot of weight, and he had all these cramps, and he just...
01:01:56.000I mean, he got fat and he was way out of shape.
01:01:58.000There's a lot of variables, but in the first fight, clearly, Sugar Ray Lantern, you know, he fought very well, but Duran won that decision.
01:02:06.000It was just the worst way to fight Duran.
01:06:21.000I knew BJ Penn had the best reaction time, but I knew also he had a poor reset time.
01:06:26.000And poor reset time is the guy told me that when I fought BJ Penn the second time, I knew that if I come into the fight, I couldn't go first because he was too fast.
01:06:40.000Because the nervous system is like a muscle.
01:06:42.000If you do a lot of reps, you get tired fast.
01:06:45.000You might be like a sprinter at a very good start, but you will get tired fast.
01:06:50.000So when I fought BJ Penn the first fight, when I tell you that when you fight someone, there's like a relation that happened up here that nobody sees around.
01:06:59.000When I fought BJ Penn, I was faking a lot, showing him all these creativity.
01:07:43.000With complications, with possibilities.
01:07:46.000What you want to do is you want to load up his nervous system by showing him different things, different threats, kick, punch, fake it, anything you want to do that stimulates him.
01:08:03.000If you stay in front of him and you don't move, that will not make him flinch, nothing like this.
01:08:10.000So you need to make him flinch, even if it's not real, but you need to make him react.
01:08:51.000That's one of the secret weapon I had.
01:08:54.000And now I'm sure some other guys use it as well.
01:08:58.000Well, you had different approaches to different fighters too.
01:09:00.000It's really interesting if you look at your career, you had a different approach to Thiago Alves, then you did to Josh Koscheck, then you did to John Fitch.
01:09:08.000Every fight, you came in with a different strategy and a different approach.
01:09:11.000Yes, and I knew also with that guy, That certain people have different blind spots.
01:09:18.000For example, if you look at Chuck Liddell, you get caught very often with the same punch, the same looping punch.
01:09:25.000My weakness for me, personally, I'm telling you, it was the things that come from under.
01:12:06.000Sometimes it's one feet, left feet, sometimes it's right.
01:12:09.000So because the feet, it takes more time for my nervous system to get the information and move my feet.
01:12:16.000So that's why the doctor told me he did it with the feet.
01:12:20.000However, I don't know if it clearly makes a difference because fighting is very specific.
01:12:26.000But what I can tell you for sure, and this is from my experiences, if I do that kind of training, because I've done the mistake before, if I do that nervous system training and then I'm going to do a gymnastic training, My next training is horrible.
01:13:47.000If you fake the guy, you make him flinch, you make him react, you stimulate his nervous system with all kinds of different threats, he will get tired and that will work.
01:14:46.000I think it is a real thing, and I think it makes sense that you could get better endurance at that, just like you can get better at doing anything, whether it's running or hitting the bag or sparring or jiu-jitsu.
01:14:56.000It makes sense that if you just did those reaction time drills over and over again, it would increase your reaction time.
01:15:01.000However, I believe fighting is very specific.
01:15:05.000Doing this exercise with the DOT, it might help your nervous system to be good at this game.
01:15:12.000However, if you want to be good for fighters, I think it can cross over a little bit.
01:15:19.000But it's like a little bit saying that doing bench press will make me punch harder.
01:15:27.000Like, what did you think about, like, Max Holloway for, in my opinion, one of his finest performances was against Calvin Cater, and he didn't spar at all.
01:15:36.000And another one is, you know, Cedric Dumbay?
01:15:39.000Cedric Dumbay, who fights for glory, who, in my opinion, is one of the greatest...
01:19:42.000So I don't think when you have the experience, sparring is very important because sparring is very different than the timing that you will face in the fight.
01:19:53.000However, I'm still saying that sparring is the most similar thing that you will have to face when you compete in mixed martial arts.
01:20:07.000And I think also that when you are in great shape, the thing is, if you're in great shape for a fight, You know, you will have more, better creativity.
01:20:20.000Because when you get tired, it's like a horse, you know, who has like a mask like this.
01:21:43.000So his body is conditioned to have a much higher threshold for endurance than the average fighter who's just doing normal mitt work, normal bag work, normal road work.
01:21:54.000Everything he's doing is like sprint recovery.
01:21:56.000And he has a really good physical trainer that came with him to the podcast.
01:22:00.000And the guy waited, and then afterwards they did their workout together.
01:22:32.000And if you look at Max Holloway's fights and all of his time in the gym and then his kickboxing fights before he ever fought in MMA, he's got all this striking and all this timing already down.
01:22:42.000So for him, it's like, why take the big hits?
01:23:02.000And I think part of that chin, particularly in the fights, the most recent fights, is the fact that he's not taking any damage in training.
01:24:15.000I believe if you get accustomed to a jujitsu pace, When you compete in mixed martial arts, you might have a hard time to adapt because Jiu Jitsu is a slower pace.
01:24:30.000One thing I did to get ready for my fight with Michael Bisping to make me more opportunist, John's was making me do 3 minute rounds.
01:24:40.000Instead of doing five-minute rounds, because you're never going to spend an entire five minutes on the ground in MMA, it's very unlikely.
01:24:47.000Normally, you'll have like three-minute rounds, and then you have like perhaps, like I was taking a minute off, then another guy, three minutes.
01:24:54.000So it made me roll at a higher pace, more importantness.
01:25:00.000So when I was switching partner, I knew I had only three minutes.
01:25:04.000I was giving everything I had in three minutes because I wanted to submit him.
01:27:38.000It's just the way you design your training.
01:27:40.000And if you always go with training partner who are just as good or better than you, It will make you practice your defense and it might decrease your creativity in offense in a way that you know because if you know if you if you try something that miss you might get cut right so I believe even if you're a champion if you're an elite you need to go with guys that are your level but also guys that are not as good as you Eddie Bravo always
01:28:10.000stressed this he always said the best way to get good at jujitsu is to spar with blue belts Roger Gracie, when he moved to England, that's when he became so successful.
01:28:22.000Because he was training with people that had no business being on the mat with him.
01:30:29.000You have to have people that are elite, where you have to know what it feels like to be in there against an elite fighter, but also people that aren't as elite so you can practice things.
01:30:44.000Because if you're used to have different training partners, the bigger is your range, the better you will be able to adapt and become the perfect nemesis of different kinds of styles.
01:32:01.000Because it's easy when you're wealthy, you're healthy, you're wealthy, you got everything you need in the world, you know, you're not hungry anymore.
01:32:09.000But you need to be willing to do that.
01:32:11.000It's a sacrifice that needs to be made, especially at the elite level.
01:32:16.000I think someone on the outside needs to look at what you're doing.
01:32:19.000You can't look at it objectively yourself.
01:33:06.000Of course, Conor, he's not champion and he had a few losses, but you need to have a reality check if you want to stay there and be successful, I believe, you know?
01:33:32.000Is that fascinating to you that this one thing has emerged that's been one of the most important weapons to learn how to avoid and block and implement?
01:33:54.000So if the stance are more narrow, you can lift and shield it easier.
01:33:59.000However, in MMA... The octagon is much bigger.
01:34:03.000The surface which you fight on is bigger.
01:34:06.000So in order to have a better mobility, most fighters, they adopt a wider stance, which increases your mobility.
01:34:14.000However, it has a profound effect on how you can shield the kick.
01:34:19.000I believe the best way to deal with that kick is either get out or either step blitz in with a counter or I developed one that you lift your heel.
01:35:41.000So if you are fighting someone who's standing orthodox and you're standing orthodox, your left leg would be in front and you would just pick it up and they would kick your heel instead of kicking your calf.
01:36:33.000Pedro Munoz was landing the calf kicks, but then when Jimmy Rivera was trying to hit him, Pedro was turning his foot outward and catching it right on the shin.
01:36:50.000However, depending on your background, once again, I'm from karate background, so I'm used to fight sideways because karate is designed for street fight.
01:37:13.000There are some techniques that will work for you better than it will work for me and vice versa.
01:37:18.000You need to find what is good for you.
01:37:20.000I still think to this day that the most underutilized technique in MMA that I think will eventually be more utilized is the front leg techniques.
01:37:29.000You see it with Wonderboy in particular.
01:37:32.000He's really good at like throwing sidekicks and keeping guys off and front leg round kicks.
01:37:37.000There was guys when I was doing Taekwondo that were so fucking good with their front leg you couldn't get close to them.
01:37:43.000And I always felt like, man, if those guys could learn everything else, if those guys could learn Muay Thai, if they could learn takedown defense and jujitsu, they'd be devastating because their front leg was so good.
01:37:54.000There was a guy named Larry Jones, and I used to spar with him all the time, and Larry's legs went all the way up the fuck up to here.
01:38:07.000And when Larry would spar people, He was really light on his foot and relaxed and he would stand sideways and you were terrified of his front leg.
01:38:15.000You couldn't get close to him because it was like a jab.
01:38:19.000It's fascinating that you just said Joe because what you just said it's Bruce Lee like talks about it like in his books like When he says, you use your longest weapon against the nearest point of my opponent.
01:39:07.000I would say Bruce Lee, yeah, of course, he could do the two other dimensions.
01:39:13.000And when you're a martial artist, I think you have all three dimensions, but there is one that you're mostly better at.
01:39:22.000And Bruce Lee, I believe, what he brings to the world was his philosophy.
01:39:26.000I think he's known because of his philosophy, not necessarily because Hollywood made him a fighter and everything, but I think the truth is that His philosophy is really the thing that really changed the world.
01:40:03.000I think people don't understand how revolutionary it was.
01:40:06.000Because in the 1970s, when Bruce Lee was doing like Enter the Dragon, the people that were martial arts practitioners were convinced that their style was all you needed to learn.
01:40:15.000When I was doing Taekwondo, my instructor would tell me, I would go to a boxing gym and train with boxers, and they would tell me, you don't need to do that.
01:40:51.000I was watching, my daughters did martial arts when they were younger, but they're not really into it anymore, but sometimes they'll watch movies with me and shit, and I was watching Enter the Dragon, the opening scene of Enter the Dragon when he's got the mixed martial arts gloves on.
01:42:19.000He carved the path, and by the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, if you read that book, and I read that book cover to cover like 20 times, he combined martial arts in a way.
01:42:47.000People did not like hearing that back then because if you were running a karate school, you were trying to tell your students this was all you needed to learn.
01:44:35.000Like, 20 years ago, like more than 25 years ago, to learn Jiu-Jitsu, I need to drive to New York, you know, to be physically present in the class.
01:44:44.000Now I can grab my cell phone and learn a technique from a guy who's in Australia.
01:45:44.000However, in fighting, it's very subjective because we cannot measure.
01:45:48.000We don't have any instrument of measure.
01:45:50.000So it's always, oh, it's Ali against Tyson, who would have won, like, oh, St-Pierre versus Ousmane, or, you know, like, they make comparative stuff like that.
01:46:03.000However, it cannot be made, but normally...
01:46:07.000General idea is that the future is always better than the past.
01:46:12.000And if I don't agree with that, that means I insult the entire UFC roster.
01:46:16.000I insult the entire NBA, the entire NHL. That's what I believe.
01:46:23.000I think you're 100% correct, and I think the quote, we stand on the shoulders of giants, that's really what it is.
01:46:29.000You don't get to where we are today without Hoist Gracie, without Bruce Lee, without the steps of all these people, without Matt Hughes, without George St. Pierre, without all, fill in the blank, Randy Couture, Tito Ortiz, all those fighters, they paved the way, and the young fighters that were watching them when they were children,
01:46:47.000they learned from watching these guys compete and perform.
01:47:03.000Well, he's the greatest because John Donaher is a brilliant instructor, and John Donaher came straight from Henzo Gracie.
01:47:09.000Henzo Gracie, who's a cousin of Hoyce, who's also one of the greatest of all time, and one of the innovators.
01:47:15.000The Gracie family and all the lessons learned from the early days of mixed martial arts gets transferred to John Donner in his genius mind, and then he finds this guy who's a fucking savage, who's willing to put in the time in Gordon Ryan, and then you see Gordon,
01:47:31.000did you see his last match with Wagner Rocha?
01:47:35.000He wrote down on a piece of paper how he was going to submit.
01:47:38.000He wrote a triangle on a piece of paper and he handed it to the commentators.
01:47:43.000And he said, open that up after the match is over.
01:47:45.000And then he plays with Wagner and then submits him with a triangle.
01:49:40.000His record, I think he's one of the athlete all sport combined that I can say for certainty or almost for certainty that his record will never be broken during my living.
01:54:22.000Even if you're the best boxer in the world, you flood Mayweather.
01:54:26.000It's like I take Floyd Mayweather and I bring him to fight in the pool, in the water.
01:54:30.000If Floyd doesn't know how to swim, it would be the same analogy that taking someone that doesn't have any jiu-jitsu background.
01:54:36.000If the fight goes to the ground, which is very likely because you need, in MMA, in a street fight, you need to go on the ground to finish your opponent if he falls down, right?
01:55:13.000Was a little older, I think, if I remember correctly, I think he was in his later 30s, but Vince Phillips was a fucking elite professional boxer, world champion, and Masato, oh, he's 44, yeah, a little too old for that.
01:55:28.000Unfortunately, so it would have been interesting more so if they fought in their prime, but Vince was still very fucking good, but Masato just lit his legs on fire.
01:56:27.000They were supposed to have a boxing match, but the Athletic Commission wouldn't sanction a boxing match because Tim Sylvia didn't have any boxing matches and Ray Mercer was a gold medalist in the Olympics and a world champion.
01:56:38.000So they're like, there's no fucking way.
01:56:40.000Even though Ray Mercer was older, they said there's no fucking way you're going to fight Tim Sylvia in a boxing match.
01:56:45.000So they said, what about a mixed martial arts match?
01:57:56.000And a low single when there's no shoes to grab, the only thing you need to do is to turn your kneecap facing the other way and just step out.
01:58:04.000It's the most ridiculous thing to do, to escape, because it's outside of his frame of reference.
01:59:55.000And the way he did that by leaning up against the cage and then stepping off to the side so that Askren follows him and then he moves forward.
02:00:17.000And you see in his training that he practiced that over and over and over again.
02:00:20.000They showed the video of Masvidal practicing for that very scenario.
02:00:26.000But other than that, he's fought a lot of elite strikers and not gotten knocked out.
02:00:31.000Like, if you look at his fights when he fought Douglas Lima or Koroskov, when he fought those guys in Bellator, I mean, he did very well, but he was allowed to wrestle.
02:00:41.000How was he going to do in an actual boxing match?
02:00:44.000I mean, I've never, just be honest, I've never thought of him as being a good striker.
02:05:01.000I think it would need to somehow, sometime, because I've sparred world champion boxers in my life many times.
02:05:09.000I can hang there for three, four rounds with the guys I sparred.
02:05:14.000But after four rounds, What you find is that they're way more efficient than you, especially in the inside boxing, because we do not have inside boxing in MMA. Right, right.
02:05:24.000So everything we do, it's the outside.
02:05:27.000And when we're inside, we're clinching, you know?
02:11:09.000It depends on what they're gonna let him do in terms of like hormones That's what that's the big factor here because Anderson Towards the end of his reign or the end of his career in MMA This was not the same guy from Chris Weidman on He's not the same guy and he got older and he lost a few steps and from the second Weidman fight So so he lost to Chris Weidman then the only fight that he won was I think?
02:11:53.000And there's a thing where an athlete just reaches a point of no return where their body does not respond.
02:11:58.000His body didn't look the same anymore.
02:12:00.000I mean, you look at the Anderson Silva that fought Yushin Okami.
02:12:03.000You look at the Anderson Silva that fought Dan Henderson.
02:12:06.000He was fucking jacked and shredded and he was so good, man.
02:12:10.000Dana White sent me a text message the other day with a video of Anderson Silva when he fought Dan Henderson.
02:12:16.000He goes, man, people forget how fucking good Anderson was when he was in his prime.
02:12:59.000He's the GOAT. He just lost, people say, oh no, but I think he was the GOAT. Oh man, I mean, you think about it, he beat legends, he beat Alistair Overeem, Junior Dos Santos, he beat everybody.
02:13:09.000You never fight the same fighter twice.
02:13:11.000You might fight the same name twice, but every fight leaves a scar.
02:13:15.000Could be for the best or for the worst.
02:13:18.000And I think Khabib was there because he had the most dominated career that ever.
02:17:49.000You can't make too many errors in the heavyweight division.
02:17:51.000But I also think that Francis had Stipe hurt in the first round bad and then knocked him down with that step forward jab in the second round.
02:22:02.000But man, I want him to stay successful and never forget that no matter how dangerous, how good you are, and especially in heavyweight, you're only at one...
02:22:16.000You know who I would have loved to see?
02:23:13.000Daniel Cormier said at the end of the fight, he said, strap a rocket to Francis' back because he's going to take off because he's got that Tyson-like aura where everyone's scared of fighting him.
02:23:35.000When you watch him fight, Stipe was the fucking man.
02:23:38.000So Francis, when he knocks him out, so he takes the title from the greatest heavyweight champion of all time, knocks him out cold, and now he has this ability to transcend the sport.
02:23:48.000He has this ability to become this gigantic superstar.
02:23:51.000Yeah, he can change the game, and I'm very happy for him.
02:23:54.000I just hope he stays focused, and man, you know, it's just amazing for him.
02:24:00.000Like, if you know about his story, it's just incredible.
02:27:40.000You can be confident, but you always have this idea in the back of your mind that, man, if I mess up, I could lose everything, all my legacy and everything.
02:33:05.000Before the fight with Bisping, I went up to 195. It took me a few months, maybe two months to reach that because I was eating all the time.
02:34:16.000But that fight was postponed a few times and had so much drama around it.
02:34:21.000I knew that if I asked to postpone it because I wanted to do a colonoscopy, and when you do a colonoscopy, they give you a laxative to empty you.
02:40:21.000Because sometimes you still feel it a little bit.
02:40:24.000But very soon I'm very excited because I need to go back to the doctor to make another checkup and if Like, I mean, it's very unlikely.
02:40:33.000I mean, it would defy science if I don't have it.
02:40:35.000But if I do, it turns out that I don't have it, I would be like, oh, that's the blueprint to beat this.
02:40:41.000Because the doctor told me I have it for the rest of my life.
02:40:44.000Yeah, but isn't that also because most people don't fast the way you fast, and most people wouldn't be disciplined enough to do what you're doing with, even with intermittent fasting, as well as the three-day water fast.
02:40:59.000When you tell that to people, the percentage of people that will actually go and do it are so small.
02:41:04.000Joe, if you would have come up to me before I had ulcer colitis and talked to me about fasting, it would have come in my hair and go out, right?
02:41:13.000Because I'm part of that society where we're bombarded by publicity or buy this, drink this, protein shake, this, this, that.
02:41:24.000And I'm part of that culture too, so I was kind of brainwashed.
02:41:29.000I was forced to try fasting because I was healed.
02:41:34.000If I wouldn't not be healed, there is no way in the world you could have convinced me to that.
02:41:40.000And that's what lead me to my other question.
02:45:27.000Lean meat is not bad, but you do need fat.
02:45:30.000And fat is an important component for your diet, whether it's fat from avocado, fat from nuts and macadamia nuts, or whether it's a vegan fat or vegetarian fat, or whether it's fat from eggs.
02:45:42.000People think that, oh, I want to eat all egg whites.
02:51:17.000Little monkey brain plan, you and me, or, you know, like us as humans, who might think of doing certain things is the greater things for the greater of the humanity.
02:51:50.000Well, I think what we are is an imperfect creature, right?
02:51:54.000So if you went back to ancient primates, Australopithecus or any of the ancient primates, and you said to them, one day you're not going to have any hair on your body or very little hair, And you're going to have to wear clothes everywhere.
02:52:08.000And your feet are going to be so soft, you're going to have to wear shoes.
02:52:10.000And then you're going to be protected because you can't live outside because your body is too weak.
02:52:14.000So you're going to be protected by structures.
02:54:01.000Not too much, but I'm not educated like you, Elon Musk, but I've heard about what he's saying about it.
02:54:08.000Hilarious, he put me and Elon Musk in the same sentence.
02:54:10.000The concept is that there's going to be an invention that increases the bandwidth.
02:54:17.000Now, first, it's going to be used for people that have...
02:54:20.000Neurological disorders and injuries and spinal cord injuries and it's going to try to bridge the gap between the person's injury and their potential as a person.
02:54:33.000They're going to be able to figure out a way to allow them to utilize their body in a way that they couldn't use it before because of the injury.
02:54:40.000But then eventually it's going to be something once they become more proficient, once they get better at this technology, once this technology innovates sufficiently and gets more and more advanced, they're going to get to a point where it's going to be something that normal people use because it's going to increase the bandwidth between human beings and information and also increase the physical capability of the body.
02:55:07.000And then with CRISPR, CRISPR is a technology that allows gene editing.
02:55:13.000With that and with these integrated technologies like Neuralink and whatever comes after Neuralink, Neuralink is just one.
02:55:20.000Like, you know, like the Morse code was one method of communication that existed a couple hundred years ago.
02:55:26.000And then now it's a joke in comparison to what we have today.
02:55:30.000Well, you take Neuralink and you go a couple hundred years from now, what kind of...
02:55:35.000Symbiotic technologies we're going to have.
02:55:51.000I think when you look at aliens, like when you think of the...
02:55:57.000Archetypal alien, the archetype alien where they have these iconic images of this large head, little tiny bodies where they have no muscle.
02:56:06.000I think what we're seeing when we see those things, if they are real, if people are experiencing those things, I think that's probably us in the future.
02:56:17.000Some beings from other galaxies or other planets or other parts of the universe, other solar systems.
02:56:25.000That's probably what happens if your civilization stays intact and you reach a thousand years from now, a million years from now, from where we are.
02:56:35.000If they're similar to us in their developmental cycle, I think that's where we're going.
02:56:40.000Your brain, you lose, your skin became pale.
02:56:43.000Yeah, if you look at us, Compared to chimps, right?
02:57:42.000And so that's what they always say about these alien beings.
02:57:45.000That's going to be very hard to do because if we say a word, for example, mother.
02:57:52.000Maybe mother for you is someone that took good care of you and everything.
02:57:56.000But for another person, mother is someone who beat...
02:58:00.000Right, but you're thinking about it in terms of the meaning that you attach to a word.
02:58:08.000What you're going to be able to do is convey intent.
02:58:11.000You're going to be able to convey thoughts and concepts which will be universally recognized without the use of language.
02:58:18.000So, the problem we're thinking of is, like, the word, like, if you use Russian, the Russian word for a stove is different than a German word for a stove, which is different than a Japanese word.
02:59:52.000Do you think Travis and Bob Lazar and all these guys that have extraordinary claim believe what they are telling you?
03:00:03.000I don't know if what they believe is true, but do you think they believe what they are telling you in a way that they're not lying, they're telling the truth of what they're believing?
03:00:14.000I can't tell for certain, but I believe Bob Lazar.
03:00:21.000Now, Bob, he had one moment where he was passing by a window and he said he saw something that was small and these people were standing over it and he didn't know if it was an alien or whether it was some sort of a...
03:00:43.000Form that they were trying like a doll or something that's supposed to represent the size of an alien or some sort of a model of an alien But he remembers he looked briefly through a window and he saw something small.
03:00:57.000He didn't see it move around didn't see it talk So he doesn't know what he saw because in his world as he explained it When he was working at Area 51 Site 4, that's where he worked, he said that it was very compartmentalized.
03:01:12.000And he's saying it was one of the problems with them trying to figure out...
03:01:15.000Now, this is assuming he's telling the truth.
03:01:50.000And if you listen to the podcast that I did with him, it didn't work because the scientific method requires multiple people to communicate and share ideas and explain.
03:02:28.000There was a concept of this thing called element 115. That was not really proven until the 2000s.
03:02:35.000Somewhere in the 2000s, they used a particle collider and created this thing where it was a very unstable, very short-lived particle.
03:02:45.000But he was saying that wherever these beings are from, they have figured out a way to utilize a stable version of this element 115 and that's how they propel themselves.
03:02:57.000The things that he was describing Were also exactly the same things that were experienced by Commander David Fravor, who was a guy who was a jet pilot.
03:03:08.000Yeah, and so he experienced this thing move in that same direction, that same way, where there was no visible propulsion system, but they tracked this thing going from 80,000 feet above sea level to one in one second.
03:03:21.000So that's the amount of time that it takes radar to track this.
03:03:25.000So it might have been less than a second.
03:03:27.000This thing traveled from 80,000 feet to 1,000.
03:04:05.000The Sumerian text is some fascinating stuff because it's all from 6,000 years ago.
03:04:11.000And by the way, Zacharias Hitchin, he's very controversial.
03:04:14.000There's even a website called SitchinIsWrong.com, and it's basically scholars of ancient Sumerian who say that his translations are completely off.
03:04:24.000But even if his translations are off, there's still a lot of really confusing stuff about ancient Sumer.
03:04:30.000And one of the things is their depictions of the solar system.
03:04:35.000They had a depiction of the solar system 6,000 years ago that shows the sun in the center, and it shows all of the known planets in the outside, and they're relatively accurate in terms of the size.
03:04:51.000Yeah, and how about the formation of the Earth?
03:04:53.000Tiamat, Marduk, I don't remember which one is what, but that's...
03:05:11.000When you're saying it's Earth 1 and Earth 2, and what that means is that there was an original version of Earth, and then Earth was hit by another planet at some point in the distant, distant past.
03:05:23.000And that's what created the moon, and that's also what created the asteroid belt.
03:05:26.000That goes on the different direction than the rest of the planet.
03:05:33.000Well, there's also a thing called Bode's Law, and Bode's Law measures the distance between planets, and it's based on the mass of the planet.
03:05:41.000And they figure out, because of the mass of the planet, how far these planets are from each other.
03:05:46.000And one of the things that fucks that up is the asteroid belt.
03:05:51.000I might be wrong about this, but the distance between Mars and Jupiter is one of the things that screws that up.
03:05:58.000And they think that's explained by the asteroid belt, that some collision created this asteroid belt and created all of the...
03:06:07.000I mean, there's something like 900,000 known near-Earth objects that were created by the impact of these planets.
03:06:14.000One thing I believe And I'm sure it's the same because you had a lot of these guys on your podcast, Graham Hancock, Randall Carson, John Anthony West.
03:06:27.000There is clearly knowledge that we've lost in the past.
03:06:58.000So very often, sometimes when crazy stuff happens like that, I just think that perhaps they have knowledge that That there's knowledge that we lost.
03:08:16.000Those ancient civilizations almost letting everyone know, hey, there is information that we have that's so above and beyond what's expected of people from this era.
03:08:27.000Because if you think about people that lived 2,500 B.C., You don't think about someone that had the kind of proficiency to create something that...
03:08:38.000It's not just that the pyramids were big, but they were so perfectly designed that when they put all the stones, they reached the top.
03:08:47.000If anyone was off by even a half an inch at the bottom, as time went on, an inch here, an inch there, by the time they got to the top, it would be all fucked up.
03:08:57.000But the pyramids were so amazingly perfect, and they were originally covered in smooth limestone.
03:09:03.000So smooth, polished limestone that would probably be insane to look at if you were staring at it from a distance.
03:09:11.000Like this immense structure of 2,300,000 stones, some of them cut from quarries hundreds of miles away, all perfectly aligned and put together by these people that lived thousands and thousands of years ago.
03:09:26.000You know, most scholars would say that they use a ramp, but if you think about it, like, there's other scholars that would counter that by saying the construction of that ramp needs to be in an angle that it could be so difficult to do that it will challenge the construction of the pyramid itself,
03:11:31.000Well, that was also John Anthony West's concept of Egypt, that there's multiple eras, and that if you go deeper, like some of the stuff that they found when they dig deeper in the sand was a different construction method.
03:13:20.000You know, one of the things that Bob Lazar said that he was taught when he was at Area 51-S4 was that one of the things that they were telling him was that human beings are the product of accelerated evolution and that these creatures occasionally come back to check upon our progress.
03:13:42.000But that might be how it works throughout the universe, is that these beings that are very far advanced, they come back and they see these creatures that are pretty close and they give them a little boost.
03:13:56.000Because otherwise it would take so long.
03:13:58.000And maybe we don't have them out of time because of the fact that we're in this...
03:14:02.000Fucking shooting gallery of asteroids, that these things come down and whatever progress you make is wiped out by impacts or by super volcanoes.
03:14:12.000If you look at the belief of human beings through evolution, you know, like in ancient Greek, they believe in different, they were believing in different gods, like in different times, different civilization had different beliefs.
03:14:26.000Now, some people believe Jesus walked on water, you know, which is fine too.
03:14:50.000Yeah, so we're doing weird shit by sending things to other planets, and they roam around and take photographs and send it back to us, and we watch these high-resolution images from the surface of Mars.
03:15:02.000This is just within the last, you know...
03:15:06.000Less than a hundred years we're capable of doing this.
03:15:09.000Who knows what's going to happen in a few thousand years?
03:15:12.000So if human beings stay alive and the Earth stays in one piece for a few thousand years and then we're sending things out to various planets and maybe that's what these beings are.
03:15:24.000Maybe these beings are these artificial intelligent robots that other intelligent entities have constructed and send out to the galaxy.
03:15:32.000I'm gonna tell you something in the future because now we know there is more and more planets that are finding the Goldilocks zone, right?
03:15:42.000Man, I'm sure if in the future human beings we find another civilization in one of those planets, we'll mess up with their genetic material.
03:16:11.000They try makeup on monkeys to see if it's bad for them.
03:16:15.000They do all kinds of horrible experiments with monkeys, and they've done it forever to see cancer drugs and all sorts of other things that are effective or toxic.
03:16:23.000Some scientists are talking now that they think some of the monkeys have reached Stone Age.
03:16:28.000They use tools to fish and it's crazy.
03:16:55.000It's not like we're the perfect being and this is as advanced as things get.
03:16:59.000We know that we are far more advanced technologically than things that we're aware of historically that we can for sure prove existed because we can watch videos of them.
03:17:10.000We can watch videos of people that lived in the 1920s.
03:17:14.000We look at the historical record of medical experiments and medical treatments that they did on people that were just 100, 200 years ago where they wrote things down.
03:17:25.000We know exactly what people knew then as opposed to what they knew now.
03:18:02.000Well, if we were wiped out except for a few thousand people, and that few thousand people lived like cave people, lived like savages, and they made their way through the eras and eventually reinvented all the things that we have today, but there was no record left of what we have.
03:20:28.000Yes, and that's what Randall Carson talks about, right?
03:20:31.000He talks about the rapid rise of the ocean, which is maybe something that has happened in the past, and that's why perhaps we've lost everything.
03:20:41.000We're so dependent on cell phones and things.
03:20:43.000I don't know how to live as an hunter-gatherer anymore.
03:22:44.000We're also in this very volatile environment in Earth.
03:22:47.000We're ruining the planet, so we're polluting it.
03:22:51.000We're filling the atmosphere with all sorts of chemicals and bullshit, and we're fucking up the ocean and dumping chemicals in the rivers and streams, and we're pulling all the fish out of the ocean.
03:23:00.000It's chaos, and we've got to right the ship.
03:23:03.000Just even if nothing hits us, just even if we don't have a...
03:23:08.000Yellowstone has thousands of earthquakes every year.
03:23:12.000There's a massive super volcano in Yellowstone that every 600,000 to 800,000 years blows up.
03:23:45.000And there is, I don't know if it's misinformation, but I pay attention to certain things on the internet sometimes and I see that it starts to move a little bit.
03:23:52.000Like they talk about some of the activity that goes on there.
03:24:14.000Move them along quicker because the place they live is crazy.
03:24:18.000The place they live, they only have a certain amount of time to evolve in order to escape.
03:24:22.000If their life is going to get to a point where they're so advanced that they can populate the universe and move out into other galaxies, you gotta help them.
03:24:37.000But as much as brilliant as they are, the incredible things they've created, they still don't have enough time to evolve to the point where they could get out of there before they get hit.
03:24:47.000We live in a zone that it's like crossing an highway with our eyes closed, you know?
03:25:10.000Our life is so short that we don't have enough information.
03:25:14.000Unless people are writing things down, and even if they're writing things down, unless they're writing things down on stone, it's not going to survive past an apocalypse.
03:25:31.000And they found them in a cave in Qumran.
03:25:35.000It's like these things and they have to do DNA tests on the skins to make sure they align them together when they're trying to piece together these little pieces of a story that these people are trying to tell from thousands and thousands of years ago.
03:25:47.000That's why I think Gobekli Tepe is so fascinating because it's on rock and there is carving of animals that are not even indigenous of that area.
03:28:00.000Well, one of the more fascinating things about the construction of the pyramids and the hieroglyphs is none of the hieroglyphs show the pyramid in various stages of construction.
03:28:52.000And I think it takes courage and guts to say you don't know.
03:28:56.000Well, archaeologists are also very reluctant to entertain any other ideas other than the ones they've been teaching and writing books about.
03:29:03.000So that's one of the things that Graham Hancock and also Robert Schock Ran into when they were trying to show images of the erosion that appears on the Temple of the Sphinx.
03:29:14.000That seems to indicate that it's the result of thousands of years of rainfall.
03:31:21.000If there's anything that I hope, I hope that aliens are real.
03:31:23.000And that's my problem with my own thinking about it, is that I want it to be true so badly.
03:31:30.000That I almost ignore evidence to the contrary.
03:31:33.000That's also why I get angry when I talk to someone who's full of shit.
03:31:36.000When I know they're a liar and I know that they're lying about UFOs and their ability to contact UFOs and all the information that they know.
03:32:29.000He's a pilot who doesn't have a history of telling fantastic stories.
03:32:33.000He has one encounter with this thing that behaved in a way that they can't explain, actively blocked their radar, jammed their radar, which is technically an act of war.
03:32:45.000And then behaved in a way, like moved in a way that they can't explain.
03:33:59.000And you're still carrying that bazooka of a spinnick back kick as a little weapon in your pocket.
03:34:06.000It doesn't get better than this, my friend.
03:34:09.000And you, my friend, you are a perfect example of a fighter who lived their career, did it all, became a champion, but then got out on your own terms.