JRE MMA Show #119 with Michael Bisping
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3 hours and 6 minutes
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On this week's episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the boys discuss the recent case of a 4 year old girl who was sexually molested by her own father. They also discuss the case of an alleged serial pedophile who is serving a life sentence for the rape of his own daughter. They also talk about the recent death of Daniel Cormier, who was killed in a car crash with his young daughter in the passenger seat of his car, and how this could have been prevented if the police had done their job properly. And of course, they talk about what it means to be a repeat offender and how it affects the recidivism rate for sex offenders and other crimes committed by repeat offenders. The boys also discuss why it's important to be registered as a sex offender and what it could mean for your chances of re-offending. Don't miss it! Joe Rogans Experience is a podcast by day, hosted by the comedian and podcaster, J.R. Rogan, and by night, by night by the gangster, Big Joe. Join us as we talk about all things crime, sex, drugs, and sex, and everything else going on in the streets of New York City. Thank you for listening and Good Luck Outlawz! -Joe Rogan and Big Joe! Logo by Courtney DeKorte Music by Ian Dorsch and the crew at Manifesto Records Thank You for listening to this episode of the pod! and Good Morning America? Thanks for Listener Support Good Morning Joe? and the support you've Been a Friendship? -Kane Velasquez and the podcast? Thank Me Outlawrence and Thank You For Coming Out! Thanks For Listening Outlawdee - Thank You, Thank You So Much, Thank Me For Listener Love & Support Me, Good Luck, Good Blessings, Cheers, Good Morning Out Here, Good Night, Good Day, Good Love, Good Life, Good Nights, Good Dreams, and Much More -- -Solo, & Good Morning, Bye, Bye Bye Bye, Blessings -Maggie & Good Night Love, - - Love, Love, Bless, Joe XOXO, XO - Cheers - Ollie & Gotta See Ya, Joe & Jog - MURCHES
Transcript
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Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
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We're working together for the first time this weekend.
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Dubious circumstances how I got the call, so my condolences to Daniel Cormier.
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You know, and this is such a crazy week because the Cain Velasquez story just came out and we were having that conversation and, you know...
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His four-year-old daughter was allegedly molested by this guy, and you could only imagine the rage, the fucking rage that must have been going through that man's mind.
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I don't know how they know that, but that's what's circulating, and...
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As you say, one time, when you hear that, that this potential has been going on for God knows how long.
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She's a tiny, little, cute, little, adorable girl.
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And what does that do to her head, to have that happen a hundred times?
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I mean, my only wish is that he did it with his hands.
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My only wish is that he just ran that car off the road, pulled that guy out of the fucking car, and beat him to death.
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And even that would have been too good for him.
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There's like, there's certain sicknesses that people have, that human beings have.
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Molesting children is the sickest of all of those sicknesses.
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What's the recidivism rate for child molesters?
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I think it's just a legal term that they use for criminals.
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I think it's like in the 90% or something like that.
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They're not exactly forward with that information.
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It's just a sickness that's been going on since the beginning of time.
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I know a guy who got charged with a sex offense crime because he was taking a leak outside.
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He was taking a piss outside and the cops pulled him over.
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And so he had to be registered as a sex offender.
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And it was like in Indiana or some shit like that and the cops were just cunts.
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We went to a nightclub back in the days when I would go to a nightclub and I got out of the car and I was dying for a piss.
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So I just take a little leak against the wall and my buddy's like, Mike, what are you doing?
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I'm like, well, we don't piss everywhere in Manchester either.
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I had a nightmare recently that I had to pee so bad that I pissed in a restaurant on the floor and I was hoping nobody noticed.
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I feel like I got caught in the dream and I had to pinch it off real quick, but I was trying to piss on the floor in a restaurant somewhere.
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Yeah, well, aside for this one, I have a lot of night terrors, which is like extreme dreams, I'm assuming.
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And I just wake up in the night screaming and doing crazy stuff.
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A couple of years ago, last time my wife's brother and his entire family came, they were all staying at my house, it's Christmas morning.
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And I had one of my episodes, I don't know why, I jumped out of bed, Christmas morning, like 5.30am, and I always sleep naked, so I'm completely naked.
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I jumped out of bed, and my wife, because I was still asleep, so I didn't know I did it.
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I ran out of the bedroom, ran down the stairs, right, obviously thought someone was trying to kill me in my dream, fell down the stairs, got up, ran out of the house, Came to on the next door neighbour's wall, completely naked.
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I'd cut all my feet and everything up because I was climbing over the walls naked.
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My wife's brother's family were like, this guy's a fucking maniac.
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I came to, I was sitting on the wall, I'm like, wow, that was a crazy one.
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I have a good friend of mine, her brother, they were on vacation and their brother has night terrors and he ran out of the hotel room and ran through, you know they have those glass railings in hotels, on the second floor, ran through the glass and fell to the second floor and now he's paralyzed.
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I was in Cancun last year, same thing, because we were up real high.
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Yeah, because I said to my wife, I said, what if I run out there in the middle of the fucking night and we're 20 floors up?
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How often have you, I mean, how long has this been going on?
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Ever since I was, the first one I had, I went to Switzerland with the Boy Scouts when I was like 9 or 10 years old.
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A lot of the time, I have no idea they've even happened.
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She's living with a former UFC middleweight champion of the world.
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And she's got to make sure that you don't wake up in the middle of the night and think you're in a fight for your life.
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The ceiling fan, I thought the ceiling fan was going to come down and chop us up.
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And I grab her and I throw her against the wall.
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They just walk right up to you and just start talking.
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And you realize, like, oh, he's not even awake.
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Especially if I'm fucking naked on top of the neighbor's fence.
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If being naked, running down the stairs, climbing a fence, that doesn't wake you up, what's going to wake you up?
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If you see me running down the street, Joe, totally naked.
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Speaking of which, I can't believe that you can run on these artificial knees now.
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Did they cut the top of the knee off and put a new thing and screw it in?
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They do it a few different ways, like resurfacing and sometimes they have to, the joints, like I have a friend, his joint was disformed.
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Because he had gone without cartilage for so long, bone on bone, that the bones started getting spurs.
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Yeah, essentially, so they cut the leg open, obviously.
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Remove the entire knee, shave down the femur, shave down the tibia and the fibula, put in a whole new knee, attach the tendons, staple you up, and off you pop.
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And then that was my left knee, which gave me problems ever since I trained with George St. Pierre in 2005. I tore my PCL. So it was just one thing after the other, you know, wear and tear.
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Never any issue whatsoever until I had the left knee replaced.
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And then as soon as that healed, I started having pain in my right knee.
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And then they said, yeah, you need that one replaced as well.
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They went, well, that's crazy because that needs shot as well.
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Even now, if I go on my knees, it's not pain, but it's just a very strange, I mean, they're still numb, you know, so there's no feeling there.
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Because I imagine if someone gets you in a heel hook...
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Like, do they replace your ACL? Do you have an ACL at all?
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Yeah, it's like, hey, I'm not concerned with it, just do it.
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Yeah, Joey Diaz had one of his replaced, and he said, he started doing jujitsu too, but he said sometimes someone will move him funny and it'll pop out a socket.
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Ooh, no, no, there's nothing like that goes on.
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But I mean, he might have, like, lax tendons or something, I'm just guessing.
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Yeah, so I said to the doctor, I said, is it fine to run?
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And he said, yeah, well, I screwed them in extra tight.
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I'm like, wouldn't you screw them in extra tight anyway?
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Well, just give that a couple more fucking turns.
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Yeah, I would imagine that would be something you do every fucking time.
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She's had some real pain in one of her knees, and I sent her down to Panama to a stem cell clinic, and that helped a lot.
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She went down there, and six months later, she was real concerned because it was like six months, and there was no improvement.
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And then after six months, the pain went away, and then it slowly got better.
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So I've sent her down there a second time, and I'd like to keep her going.
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Because the thing about it when you're older, too, she's like 75. You know, when you're older, you don't heal good, man.
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I imagine if it's rough for you, what's it going to be like for my mom?
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She always had a terrible limp, but then she fell over and broke her hip, and it just hasn't healed right.
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But they say, the doctors in England said, they can't operate because the bones are too soft.
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But the guy that did my knee replacement, he said, that's bullshit.
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He said, we operate on porous bones all the time.
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So I'm trying to get her to come out here so we can do something with her, but...
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She's almost 80. She didn't want to leave the house, let alone fly to England to have an operation.
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A friend of mine was telling me about his dad who got a hip replacement, and he said he almost wished his dad didn't get it.
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He goes, because yes, his dad was in pain before the hip replacement, he goes, but his dad is so frail after the surgery, because he was close to 82 as well, and I think that when, you know, the surgery itself, which is so, I mean, they saw the top of your femur off,
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It's a lot going on, and it was so traumatic that he never really fully recovered, and he's been way worse since then.
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Because just the surgery, that's one thing that people have to take into consideration.
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It's like, your body's got to recover from that.
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I said to my doctor, the day I had the knee replacement, I was leaving, I said, when do you think I can move again, you know, be walking about?
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He said, oh, you'll be able to do a Peloton class today if you want.
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Yeah, and then part of the rehab when they were coming was just trying to, because I had a peloton bike right there, just to try and do one rotation on it.
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But that took months, or a few weeks, should I say.
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Wait a minute, I saw you in a hospital gown trying to do a jumping front kick right after you got out.
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Well, you know, Percocet's a really strong drug.
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It's nice though that there's something that they could do that leaves pain because I have some friends that have some fucking really bad knees and when you see them like get up off the couch and walk and you know it's just sharp pain, sharp pain, sharp pain, every step and they just have to tolerate it and so they're always on edge.
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You know, because they're just fucking in agony.
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I tell Matt Serra all the time, because his knees are the same way.
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He always asks me, he says, Mike, what do you think?
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That's the thing about jiu-jitsu guys, or fighters.
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How many fucking guys are just constantly walking around in pain?
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I was in pain, a lot of pain, a lot of pain towards the end.
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If you like it, I mean, especially if that's what you do for a living, it's just part, who the fuck, no one rides for free.
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Nobody gets out of your business, and in the end of the day, you're 100%.
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You know, people ask me, you know, I mean, I have no regrets.
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I've got to have two more plates put in, two discs taken out.
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So they went in through my throat, sliced me open there, pushed my throat to the side, took a disc out, put a titanium plate in and four screws.
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So you got one of them articulating discs in there.
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I said to the doctor, because that terrified me, just the thought of coming through the throat and messing with the spine.
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And in the end, I just couldn't take the pain anymore.
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But I said, if I do this, he's going to take care of this.
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And yeah, I've got to have it done two more times.
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So two more separate operations or one operation?
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People already see me running down the street naked, fucking half asleep.
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I don't need slashes on my neck as well to go with it.
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The first guy that I knew that had that done was Braulio Estima.
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I've always asked him, I'm like, how you doing now?
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So he's had two fake discs in his neck, and then he's also got some other pain from the other.
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The problem is the other discs that are connected to the disc that was an issue, they start becoming a problem.
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I mean, I do know one dude who did it and he never felt pain again.
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Yeah, I had no pain for a while, but slowly but surely started creeping back.
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No, I don't do much other than run and lift weights at the minute.
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They're putting on some kind of event at the...
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Something to do, you know, rather than just running through the hills, talking to myself naked.
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So I thought, I kind of fancy this, but he never reached out.
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How much time do you think you'd have to train to prepare for a jiu-jitsu match?
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Last time I rolled, I bent my finger 90 degrees to the side.
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We were saying just before, my son, he's a wrestler.
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What they've done with my son, the wrestling coaches, it's amazing.
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Yeah, it's been cool watching him on Instagram.
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It's nice watching, you know, a son of a champion, you know, get into combat sports himself.
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I mean, I say I fought so he doesn't have to, you know.
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But if he wanted to, of course, I would support him.
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But yeah, he's had a lot of knee problems as well.
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And then sadly, they took his meniscus out, as I said.
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Made it back for the end of the season, went to regionals, first takedown his shot, got the takedown, but blew his ACL out on his good knee.
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He's a young guy, and they can replace your meniscus when you're young.
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They do cadaver meniscus grafts, and apparently on young people it's pretty effective.
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But there's another thing that we've talked about on this podcast, because I had the guy on.
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He's got an Instagram page, I don't know if you've ever seen it, it's called Knee Over Toes Guy.
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I've been doing that for about seven months now and it's completely changed my knees.
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My knees are so much stronger than they've ever been before.
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It's funny you mention that because that's exactly what Callum, my son, was talking about.
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And I said, I think I've heard Joe Rogan talking about that.
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And then a lot of people on Twitter, you need to follow knees over toes.
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I mean, even with your fake knees, it's like it's going to strengthen all the muscles around the knees that stabilize the knee.
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One of the things that he does, it's like the primary exercise, is walking backwards with a sled.
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So I load the sled up with weight, I attach it to my hip with a hip belt, And I drag this sled, but just pushing backwards.
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And it just completely changes the way your knees feel.
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It pushes all the blood into them, but it strengthens them.
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Because it's an unusual way of exercising with it.
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I used to do stuff like that in strength and conditioning.
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The walking backwards thing, though, for the knees is phenomenal.
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That's the number one bang for your buck for knee longevity.
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He was explaining to me because he knows I've had a gang of knee problems too.
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That and I do a lot of split squats and I do a bunch of different exercises like tibia raises like with weight.
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You know, that strengthen the muscles on the side of your shins, the tibia muscles.
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And I do a lot of different things that this knee over toes guy recommends.
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Yeah, I'm just laughing to myself that I definitely skipped leg day.
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Well, that's the way to strengthen all the shit around your knee to keep your knee stable.
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I mean, if you're training martial arts, most of the time you're just doing the training and maybe you're doing some strength and conditioning, but you don't specifically work on muscle groups to strengthen joints.
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But this guy had a gang of knee surgeries and real problems when he was in high school and college.
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Yeah, I always say every week I'm going to do more legs.
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I'm going to definitely do more legs and I'm trying to do more functional workouts.
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But then you get busy and whatnot, you know what I mean?
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I like to start my day with a run and I go in and lift weights.
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You should do cardio first and then have a break and lift weights.
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I've got things to do and somehow don't find myself doing the squats.
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It's because every time I do it, I fall onto the toilet as opposed to sitting onto it.
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A lot of guys, when they retire, they get heavy.
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Well, a lot of fighters, you know, when they're fighting and training, and then when they don't have to anymore, like, they can't wait just not have to do that anymore.
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I used to do a lot of the kind of stuff you were just talking about.
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It's a hard life, but at the end of the day, a guy like you, you get to sit back and say, I was the fucking middleweight champion of the world.
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It is nice, and it definitely made a change, I guess, in my life, because it kind of...
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But that's not really why I did it, you know what I mean?
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I mean, yeah, of course, everybody wants to be the champ.
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If you're going to compete in any sport, then, of course, you want to be as good as you can be.
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But I was just trying to make some money, you know?
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But, of course, the two, they go hand in hand, because if you become the champ, then you make more money, you know?
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Like, when I got involved with this, it was too...
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My plan was to make enough money so I could go to college and then hopefully get a proper job, you know?
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So it kind of exceeded all those expectations by far.
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When I left school and then, you know, dead-end job after dead-end job.
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You come to find out there's not much call for unqualified 16-year-olds.
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Sometimes, like, you know, I will be looking at a video, like getting ready for a fight, watching a guy who's going to compete, and they're like, oh, he won the Ultimate Fighter season 27. I was like, what?
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It's crazy how many seasons there have been and how much talent's come from there.
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And then on top of that, you got the Contender Series.
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Some of these guys like that, you know, like Hamzat.
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He's over, because Darren Till's there right now at All-Stars in Sweden.
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Apparently, you know, because all his fights have finished real quick.
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But apparently his conditioning is like nothing you've ever seen as well.
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Well, you see the training footage and you see the intensity that this guy pursues everything with.
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When you see the way he knocked out Mirchart, you're like, Jesus Christ.
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And there's another video of him when he was younger where he knocked a guy out with an uppercut.
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It's like one of the best uppercut KOs I've ever seen in my life.
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He just made a reed, perfectly placed, stepped in, just flatlined the guy with an uppercut.
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I mean, Gilbert Burns is gonna be a tough fight for him.
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And he stepped off as well, so he was away from the counter.
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Yeah, I mean, he's doing things technically and he's doing things hyper-aggressively at the same time.
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I heard some stories about that as well, which I'm not going to go into.
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Apparently there's a lot of craziness going on there right now.
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Yeah, I don't follow too much of what's going on in that world, but I do know that it's a war-torn place.
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And when I saw this, there was a documentary that somebody put out, a small piece, like a 20-minute one on Hamzat and his past and interviewing him and talking about his childhood.
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From a tough place, you're going to create tough men.
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That guy has, I think, how many fights does he have in the UFC now?
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Yeah, and one of them, one significant strike he's taken was just trying to punch off the guy choking him out.
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Uriah Hall had a guy in his guard and he cracked the guy like this from the guard and rolled him over and finished him.
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You know, maybe a little undersized for 85 when you see a lot of these guys that do cut a ton of weight, like the big guys like Pereira, Michele Pereira, that guy's huge.
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Because I spoke to him on Wednesday, yesterday, and he said, yeah, about 180 he would rock up at the fights on, so he wasn't cutting much weight, so making 170 is easy for him.
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I had him on the podcast and Travis Luter, his coach.
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And Travis said, I've never seen anybody like him.
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He told me he had a booger on his nose and then he flatlined him.
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It was before Buckley's highlight, that crazy jump back spinning kick.
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I've heard of that, but I can't think of the knockout off the top of my head.
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And then, boom, hits him with a straight right hand and flatlines him.
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He's talented and wild, and you know, he has a hole in his game, and the hole in his game is wrestling.
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But I think that hole will be less when he's fighting guys that are more his size.
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Wrestling, and he just gets a little carried away, a little too excited.
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Like, as they're standing there, I think he's got a circle around where his back is against us.
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Yeah, I mean, that's serious power, man, because Buckley is fucking tough.
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And, you know, he had that Razak Alhassan fight, super close fight last weekend.
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And so the fact that Holland was able to take him out with one shot like that is insanely impressive.
00:30:12.000
Well, tall, skinnier guys, leaner guys, you think they're not going to have much power, but they have a tremendous frame for it.
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And if you know how to use it and use the angles and use that frame to torque and the rotation.
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I used to train with this guy back in England and he was tall and skinny as hell.
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That's why guys like Rockhold at 85, he was always a nightmare because he was so big at 85 and had such a long reach.
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Like, I keep hearing he's going to, and he's training.
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He's calling out Paolo Costa, which I think would be a great fight for him.
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Yeah, because, you know, a lot of people like to talk shit about him now or laugh at him or whatever.
00:31:17.000
You fought him once, he beat you, and then you knocked him out.
00:31:33.000
But, yeah, I mean, he got knocked out of me, Jan, and...
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Yo, Elwin, you know, when he first came to the UFC, I remember thinking, how the fuck is that guy 185 pounds?
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I was like, holy shit, look at the size of this guy.
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Even when he would weigh in, I'd be like, there's something wrong with the scale.
00:32:07.000
Because I weighed, at the time, I weighed like 195. I'm like, how is that possible?
00:32:13.000
Same, like 195. I'm like, that doesn't make any sense.
00:32:20.000
And then he came in here once with Joey Diaz and he was in between fights and he was probably 230. Right.
00:32:30.000
Because there's no foul on him when he's in five shape.
00:32:33.000
Did I ever tell you what happened with him in Australia?
00:32:38.000
I forget who the fight was, but he had a cracked orbital.
00:32:41.000
So he, they send him, the UFC sends him to the doctor.
00:32:46.000
The doctor examines him and then talks to the UFC on the phone and says, where did you find this guy?
00:33:08.000
The tendons in his eyes are three times thicker than a normal person's.
00:33:13.000
He said his eye, the orbital bone, was already healing by the time he got to me.
00:33:23.000
But you also got to wonder, he came out of that Cuban sports program?
00:33:26.000
Like, who the fuck knows what kind of experiments they were doing?
00:33:31.000
Because he's young enough that it was recent enough that they were experimenting with all sorts of different anabolic steroids and performance enhancing drugs and human growth hormone in children and all kinds of stuff that they were doing to try to enhance their Were they actually doing that?
00:33:54.000
And Cuba has always been connected to the Soviet Union in one way, shape, or form.
00:34:03.000
So I don't want to sit here and say that because- I didn't say it for a definite, but who the fuck knows?
00:34:10.000
He's taking away all his credibility by saying he was injected with human growth hormone as a baby.
00:34:14.000
Look, it could be something way more simple, like he had an elite athlete father, an elite athlete mother, and that's how he is.
00:34:25.000
I mean, there are people that are just blessed genetically.
00:34:29.000
But you know the story of Alexander Carellin, right?
00:34:33.000
Alexander Carellin, who is probably one of the greatest wrestlers, if not the greatest wrestler of all time.
00:34:52.000
And because he had separated his hands, separated his grip, it counted as one point.
00:35:03.000
He'd been wrestling forever, but he would pick guys up.
00:35:10.000
He was like 300 pounds, and I think he was somewhere around 6'4", 6'5", built like a fucking giant panther.
00:35:22.000
Like, guys would flatten themselves out to try to avoid being taken down.
00:35:28.000
And his move would get his hands under their gut and hoist these 350-pound men in the air.
00:35:36.000
Because when he would do it, see if he gets a video of Corellon.
00:35:38.000
But he's widely regarded as one of the most impressive wrestlers of all time.
00:35:56.000
And everybody was afraid because you would go for a ride like that.
00:36:06.000
I mean, it's a crazy, like, loophole in the rules.
00:36:09.000
Like, he's able to get his hands underneath you and just keep dumping you.
00:36:12.000
I mean, he's basically beating you up with the ground.
00:36:24.000
The way he moved, like flexible and just a full range of motion.
00:36:32.000
Did you see on the opposite end of the spectrum, that wrestler last week, he's got no legs or one leg.
00:36:43.000
My son's feeling sorry for himself because he blew out his ACL. I'm like...
00:37:02.000
No, not at his expense, but look, it's always amazing when someone finds a way, right?
00:37:06.000
When someone who has a handicap like that finds a way It's incredible.
00:37:10.000
To utilize what they have and then excels and succeeds.
00:37:18.000
And you have to think, when you look at the other wrestler, if they're the same weight, the guy must have...
00:37:25.000
The upper body strength must be off the charts.
00:37:27.000
He's moving himself around constantly just with his arms.
00:37:31.000
Because when that guy, that child part of me, or that young man, should I say, was born...
00:37:36.000
His parents weren't thinking this guy's gonna be a wrestler one day.
00:37:38.000
And now look at him, winning a state championship.
00:37:50.000
Do you remember there was that guy that was fighting in the PFL that had one arm?
00:38:04.000
I don't mean Nick Newell fighting with one hand pissed me off, but how can you fight with one hand, but you can't fight with one eye?
00:38:22.000
It was the Vitor fight that did it, and I slowly started getting our symptoms.
00:38:31.000
I was doing this, you know, and my friends would be like, oh, he's doing that thing again with his hands.
00:38:35.000
I'm like, can you see your hand there if you do that?
00:38:37.000
So the people are just listening, you have your hand next to your face, and you're like moving your fingers around, and you couldn't see it?
00:38:44.000
And then by the end, it was like right in front of me there, and I couldn't see.
00:38:47.000
And it was at that point, I called the doctor, but I fought Alan Belcher.
00:39:12.000
How did you get to the point where you're fighting GSP? How did you pass this test?
00:39:25.000
I was doing some work for BT Sport at the time.
00:39:28.000
Dana was trying to help me out because it looked like I wasn't going to be fighting.
00:39:32.000
So I went over there doing some work for BT Sport.
00:39:38.000
And they said, well, we want to take you to a doctor of our choice.
00:39:44.000
And I had to do this test where you look into this thing and there's all these lights, you know, and you push a button when you see the light pop up.
00:40:01.000
And I went in and this doctor was an old Indian guy.
00:40:05.000
And there was a guy in there like an old war veteran who could hardly walk like about a hundred and something years old.
00:40:12.000
And this doctor says, I'm just going to walk this man to the car, go into my office, make yourself at home.
00:40:17.000
I'm like, fucking get in, because I walked in and the eye test was there.
00:40:23.000
It was like a triangle, you know, three sides to it.
00:40:27.000
And all you've got to pass is, you've got to have 2200 vision to pass, which is still clinically blind.
00:40:33.000
But on an eye test, it's the big one at the top, and then the two underneath, it's still pretty big.
00:40:44.000
And the doctor doesn't know that I'm trying to cheat the test.
00:40:48.000
He thinks I'm fucking trying to check on my vision like a normal person.
00:41:03.000
And that's where these couple of shitty acting lessons I had paid off.
00:41:11.000
Gets a little blurry after that, Doc, if I'm honest.
00:41:23.000
He said, because if anything happens to your good eye, you're going to go blind.
00:41:41.000
But of course, then every time you fight, you still got to get checked by a doctor again.
00:41:45.000
Every time at the weigh-ins, you know, so that was always very, very worrisome.
00:42:01.000
And I said, right, because all they've got to do, because now this is a prosthetic lens, as you know.
00:42:05.000
And I only got this in 2018. So without the prosthetic lens in, it looks awful.
00:42:15.000
Over time, it's deteriorated and got worse and worse.
00:42:17.000
But I thought, all they've got to do is look at that eye and say, all right, how many fingers can you see?
00:42:21.000
So I said to Perillo, I said, if it holds up one finger, you go...
00:42:24.000
If he holds up two, yawn, whatever, if he holds up three, we just came up with these shitty codes, you know what I mean?
00:42:30.000
But we never had to use it once, because I remember once, the doctor, when you can see how that eye, right?
00:42:47.000
At one eye, that's usually the price where most people are not willing to pay any more.
00:42:53.000
Well, I'd just moved to America, bought this stupid big house that I didn't need.
00:42:58.000
I had a lawsuit going on with my former management, which was completely fabricated.
00:43:12.000
Now life's great, but back then I was still very much financially struggling.
00:43:17.000
Well, I had to fight this court case, this legal, this lawsuit, and that was costing a fortune.
00:43:25.000
That's one of the craziest stories ever, that you won the middleweight title with one eye.
00:43:41.000
Didn't it fuck with your depth perception, though?
00:43:43.000
Because that's one of the things that they say...
00:43:46.000
Like, I'll go and grab that bottle, for example.
00:43:48.000
Now I'm fine because my brain's touched it, so I know where it's at.
00:43:55.000
I'm always misreading how far something is away.
00:44:00.000
Because, yeah, the depth perception, and everything's in 2D. And then sometimes it can fuck with me a little bit.
00:44:08.000
I can get a little blurry and like, I don't know, I get a little dizzy because it's like sometimes, it's only sometimes that all of a sudden I'm like, whoa, I can't fucking figure anything.
00:44:22.000
You have to turn to see if someone's next to you in the next lane.
00:44:24.000
Yeah, if I'm changing lane, I always have to give it one of those and turn really far.
00:44:36.000
The amount of times, because I'm very animated.
00:44:40.000
For example, I'm at a crosswalk in New York City, and I'm in the middle of telling a story, and I'm like, Oh my god, I am so sorry.
00:44:55.000
They look at me like I'm the biggest dickhead on the planet.
00:45:07.000
There's nothing they can do in terms of repair?
00:45:17.000
When I got this done, which changed my life in many ways, to be honest, I was just sick of looking like that, do you know what I mean?
00:45:26.000
If I cover up my good eye and the lights go on and off, the shade of blackness changes.
00:45:37.000
And there's no replacement lenses or anything that they can do?
00:45:42.000
I saw or I heard recently that they're putting in robotic eyes or something like that.
00:46:12.000
I think they have an electronic eye that they've created that offers superior vision.
00:46:20.000
And I think it's just in the testing phases now.
00:46:27.000
I'm pretty sure that it is superior to normal eyesight.
00:46:34.000
And the way that it interacts with the brain, I don't understand.
00:46:37.000
I don't know how it interacts with the optic nerves and the signals that it sends.
00:46:42.000
Yeah, no, I'm sure it is better, you know, with the technology that they have.
00:46:48.000
That's why I retired, though, because the doctor said, you know, and they always said, you know, if something goes wrong with your good eye, you'll go blind.
00:46:55.000
But didn't, after one of your fights, you did have some, we talked about this before.
00:47:05.000
A lot of people have fight careers and don't lose an eye.
00:47:10.000
And then after the Kelvin Gastelum fight, we went to an after party and I was sitting there and every time I look left and then look back, I just have a flash of light.
00:47:19.000
And every time I did it again, every time a flash of light, I'm sitting in this bar and everyone's dancing and having a good time and stuff, you know.
00:47:29.000
I'm starting to well up, you know, because I'm like, I'm going to go fucking blind.
00:47:32.000
Even if they repair the air, the ice part of me, I'm still going to go blind for a month or two while it's healing, you know?
00:47:45.000
I don't want people to see me crying, A, because I'm a proud man, but B, because people are going to think, because I just lost a fight.
00:47:53.000
So I couldn't give a fuck about losing a fight.
00:47:58.000
Said I was going to the toilet, rushed out the party and went back to my room.
00:48:03.000
And then Perillo and Daz Morris, a friend of mine, came back to my room and, you know, we had a few drinks and forgot all about it.
00:48:12.000
Came to on an aeroplane, flying home, and I sat up.
00:48:22.000
And then when I look there and when I look back, flash a light again.
00:48:26.000
I'm like, fuck, because I've forgotten all about it, you know what I mean?
00:48:29.000
But yeah, that was a vitreous detachment, so it wasn't a detached wedding, unfortunately.
00:48:38.000
How many guys do you know that have eye issues from fighting?
00:48:42.000
Jason Perillo, my coach, funnily enough, detached retina.
00:48:46.000
Yeah, he was an undefeated professional boxer and detached his retina.
00:48:50.000
But that was, you know, medical science has come a long way since then.
00:48:53.000
The first time I'd ever heard about it was Sugar Ray Leonard, remember?
00:49:05.000
And he had a comeback fight and got dropped in the comeback fight.
00:49:09.000
I forget the gentleman he fought, but he got hit with a good shot and dropped and got up and stopped the guy.
00:49:14.000
And then he said, after that, he had this press conference.
00:49:24.000
He had a big event and then announced that he was retiring.
00:49:29.000
And then he decided a couple years later, I believe it was, he was going to come back and just fight Hagler.
00:49:35.000
He came back, fought Hagler, won that fight, and then had a bunch of other fights.
00:49:44.000
Because when I used to spar, a lot of the time you're hitting fresh air until you actually touch them, like I said before with that water bottle.
00:49:51.000
My brain said, okay, now I've got to gauge on how far it is and then I'd be fine.
00:49:56.000
And then fortunately for me, it was my lead eye.
00:50:00.000
Whereas if it was this way, that'd be my dominant eye because this can still see...
00:50:05.000
Yeah, that'd be a real problem if you're staying orthodox with a left eye bad.
00:50:09.000
But it's still crazy that you were so successful with one eye.
00:50:12.000
I mean, how many fights did you have with one eye?
00:50:31.000
I was blind in the ring because what happened was on the final day flying to Australia in the training camp, I was about to Kimura somebody and he fucking kneed me in the face on the floor to get out of the submissions.
00:50:43.000
One of my training partners opened up a big gash in my eye.
00:50:46.000
And when I got to Australia, I had stitches above my good eye, obviously blind in the other eye.
00:50:51.000
And I remember, day of the fight, we're walking into the arena in Australia, and as I was walking in, someone from the UFC comes running over, Michael, Michael, Michael, the doctor needs to see you immediately.
00:51:06.000
Because the stress of fighting with one eye and cheating on all these tests was just unbelievable.
00:51:12.000
I'm like, I'm going to get fucking rumbled at any time.
00:51:19.000
I've done my training camp, flown to Australia.
00:51:26.000
He says, yeah, you've got stitches in your eye, mate.
00:51:27.000
You can't fucking fight with stitches in your eye.
00:51:29.000
And he just wanted to take the stitches out of the good eye.
00:51:34.000
So he just took the stitches out and it's good to go.
00:51:37.000
And then in the fight with Rockhold, when we started after the first minute or so, he headbutted me.
00:51:45.000
But he headbutted me and it started pissing blood into my eye.
00:51:54.000
Put it onto a windshield and put the windscreen wipers on.
00:52:00.000
So everything was red and I'd wipe my eye and I could kind of see again the blood would come in and it would all go red so I'd wipe my eye and then at some point when I was doing that I guess I got kicked in the head.
00:52:17.000
It was a beautiful kick he hit me with, but I didn't see it coming.
00:52:24.000
But that's why that was so hard to take, because I couldn't say anything.
00:52:30.000
You know, I had to just swallow that one so that won't hurt.
00:52:33.000
So that's why I always wanted to fight him again, because I knew I could do better.
00:52:42.000
I mean, and then the Vitor thing is a strange situation, because what Vitor did was technically legal, but everybody knows it's cheating.
00:53:07.000
Because they tested Vitor, and I forget which event it was, and he was off the charts.
00:53:13.000
And his excuse was that he had showed up, he was going to be in America for like a week and a half, so he took like a large dose.
00:53:22.000
Because he couldn't take his second dose or whatever it was.
00:53:28.000
I forget exactly how he said it, but I remember when they looked at the levels, they're like, this is not just testosterone replacement.
00:53:39.000
This is like not what a normal person ever has in terms of this range of hormones in your system.
00:53:45.000
And when Vitor would fight back then, he was a fucking berserker.
00:53:52.000
I mean, because he was already a very good fighter.
00:53:57.000
I mean, he was just so aggressive and so ripped, man.
00:54:12.000
People, to this day, they talk about, like, there's certain fighters, like, there was a moment, you know, where a few fights, and TRT Vitor is one that people always bring up.
00:54:20.000
Yeah, I mean, all I thought about then, though, was Anderson Silva pulled it off, though.
00:54:33.000
Like, even when he fought Franklin, he looked very different.
00:54:41.000
When he fought Rockhold and wheel kicked him in the head, he had muscles on his teeth.
00:54:54.000
That was when he shaved the side of his head and he just...
00:55:05.000
Yeah, look at the image of him getting kicked in the face.
00:55:11.000
That was him off of steroids and then coming back into, like, very different, man, if you look at his body.
00:55:31.000
That's post-USADA. That's when he fought Weidman.
00:55:43.000
So let's see the Luke Rockhold, Vitor versus Luke Rockhold.
00:55:48.000
It's kind of crazy when you think about the early days of fighting, because in the early days of MMA, Fucking half the people were juiced if not more they were they were a lot of them I'm gonna look at him the difference between the image of how he looked pull up the photo of him Giving Rockhold that wheel kick the one right next to that one Look at that.
00:56:13.000
Yeah The documentary that I've got coming out you talk about it.
00:56:17.000
Yeah, and you say some very very good words Well, you know, what you've done in your career was very extraordinary.
00:56:27.000
And it was extraordinary not just from the sense of the accomplishments, like there's a lot of great wins that you had.
00:56:34.000
Kung Lee, Mayhem Miller, there's a bunch of wins where you just like dominate these guys with your pace and your endurance, but it was your grit, man, your mental fortitude.
00:56:45.000
Because you're a great fighter and a great athlete, but there's not a thing that stands out about you other than your mind and your toughness, which is really the thing that a man should be most proud of.
00:56:56.000
Because if you're born with incredible power or unbelievable speed or you're just an enormous person, that's a giant advantage over everybody.
00:57:08.000
It's an amazing thing, and it cost you your knees, you know, because that toughness made you train through your knee injuries.
00:57:23.000
Never felt like I was making some sacrifice or doing, you know, or like I was...
00:57:28.000
You know showing a lot of mental strength or willpower or whatever for me I'm just trying to win a fight You know I'm just trying to provide for my family and do everything I can to give them the best life Which sounds guys that have no quit you don't have any quit Yeah, no quit the Anderson Silva fight is a great example of that when you got here with that flying that you were trying to point to your mouthpiece again Because the eye because I'm looking at you here if I go there you don't exist to me.
00:57:55.000
And then, fucking Herb Dean, I'm like, I'm backing up.
00:58:02.000
And then I look back and Anderson Silva's in mid-air.
00:58:09.000
Yeah, well, as I hit the deck, beep, the round finished.
00:58:14.000
To be fair to Anderson, it probably looked in his mind like he just knocked me out.
00:58:24.000
I remember I'm all crumpled up on the floor, blood pouring out of my face.
00:58:34.000
So I wasn't unconscious, but I was definitely down.
00:58:52.000
I remember watching that, but I'll never forget watching that screaming.
00:59:02.000
I mean, for at least a half a second, you were out.
00:59:05.000
I mean, you know how it is when you get hit with a good one.
00:59:20.000
Like when I fought Akiyama, I remember he came out.
00:59:24.000
Hit me with a huge right hand, which I didn't see coming.
00:59:36.000
There's 20,000 people standing around watching this.
00:59:42.000
And then, you know, 30 seconds or so, you get on your bike, use your footwork, you dance around a little bit.
00:59:49.000
And one of the most impressive examples of you and your resolve was the second fight That you had with Dan Henderson.
00:59:58.000
Because you got clipped in that fight and you could see your gears spinning like, not today, motherfucker.
01:00:07.000
There's no fucking way I'm going to let that guy knock me out again.
01:00:09.000
Well, because obviously if you're fighting Dan Henderson, the whole game plan is avoid the right hand.
01:00:15.000
But like my old boxing coach used to say, you don't go in the rain without getting wet.
01:00:24.000
It's wild when someone has, like, one weapon that's so fucking powerful.
01:00:28.000
You know, because it's like, I mean, I think he hurt Hector Lombard with a left, too.
01:00:50.000
But that fight too, that was another example of your resolve.
01:00:53.000
The fact that you got rocked and you still figured out a way to win that fight.
01:01:07.000
There's pictures online and you see my cheek is out here.
01:01:17.000
If I moved around a little bit, moved my head around a touch, I could just kind of see a little slit of him, a little angle of him.
01:01:27.000
And then I remember I got back to the hotel and the swelling got so bad the actual eyes shut and I couldn't see.
01:01:34.000
I was in the shower and was crying a little bit, you know, because you go blind, it's kind of scary.
01:01:40.000
But after about a minute or so, some ice on it, it went down.
01:01:45.000
Like, you can't figure out who has it and who doesn't and why they have it and why they don't.
01:01:52.000
I mean, yes, you can train it, you can work technique, you can get better.
01:02:04.000
He doesn't look like a guy that's gonna pack a punch like that either.
01:02:24.000
There's a video of him partying with Paul Craig after that fight.
01:02:29.000
I had Jamal Hill on my podcast last week, and he's got some funny stories.
01:02:35.000
He was funny talking about when people were dismissing.
01:02:39.000
Chael was dismissing the shot he hit Walker with, saying it wasn't that big of a shot.
01:02:52.000
He hit him right above the temple, like right there.
01:02:55.000
The guy stiffens up immediately and flies backwards.
01:02:58.000
Jamal was telling us some stories his street fighting days, like taking on nine guys at once and stuff.
01:03:05.000
You remember Mike McDonald, the kid who used to fight at bantamweight?
01:03:16.000
But he was a very slight-looking guy, didn't look like a physically imposing guy, and would just murk motherfuckers.
01:03:48.000
There's like a God-given ability that some people have.
01:03:52.000
Where they just, for whatever reason, they just have this ability to hit so much harder than everybody else.
01:03:58.000
Do you remember, I don't know how much boxing, did you ever watch a lot of boxing back in the day?
01:04:07.000
But I never really watched much sports, to be honest.
01:04:12.000
Julian Jackson was a guy like that, where his KOs were so crazy.
01:04:18.000
Like, you hit guys and they would just go, like, while they're standing up to just...
01:04:43.000
But it was just the one punch KO power that was just insane.
01:04:51.000
And he would hit you with like little short shots and guys would just go stick.
01:04:58.000
I'm not a religious guy, but we'll use that phrase.
01:05:10.000
This is him against Terry Norris, who was elite at the time.
01:05:25.000
I mean his brain shut off from that first punch and his body hasn't figured it out yet.
01:05:30.000
And then he hits him with two more on the way down.
01:05:32.000
I mean, there's a highlight reel of Julian Jackson that is fucking insane.
01:05:37.000
Yeah, ten Julian Jackson not-haves to watch before you die.
01:05:57.000
This was a good one, too, because he was stepping back in the Harold Graham fight, and I think he was losing that fight.
01:06:13.000
And that's how you know you got real power when you can do it going backwards.
01:06:22.000
And that's that kind of weird gift that some guys have.
01:06:25.000
I mean, if you look at Francis Ngannou, he has power like that.
01:06:32.000
If you're going to pick someone that's got punch power, it's going to be Francis Ngannou every time.
01:06:36.000
But when you're looking at someone who's 160 pounds, kind of a leaner frame, and they can still do that, that's where it gets really interesting.
01:06:46.000
I'm really hoping that Dana and Francis come to some sort of an agreement and they let Francis box Tyson Fury.
01:06:54.000
I want the man to get that giant, crazy, Conor McGregor-style payday.
01:07:05.000
With respect to Francis Ngannou, that's not someone I want to piss off.
01:07:09.000
Listen, I would not want to piss him off either.
01:07:11.000
I want him to get the opportunity to get a lot of money.
01:07:14.000
But if you looked at who he's boxing, I mean, Tyson Fury is one of the most skillful boxers ever.
01:07:31.000
What he did against Deontay Wilder, when he got dropped in that first one, he got up and I thought he was going to dance around.
01:07:41.000
He got dropped, almost knocked unconscious, got up and won the rest of the round, which is crazy.
01:07:46.000
Well, that's why in the rematch, He knew what to do.
01:07:50.000
He knew what to do because I walked him down after that because I had no choice.
01:07:54.000
He said, if I backed up, he might have got me again.
01:07:58.000
And then he realized that guy doesn't fight that good backing up.
01:08:02.000
But even in the second, the third fight rather.
01:08:04.000
So he beats him, knocks him out in the second fight.
01:08:14.000
Yeah, but then he fights him in the second, the third fight rather, and in the third fight he gets dropped again and gets dropped hard, like, and dropped twice in a round.
01:08:30.000
Like, where there's no if, ands, or buts about it.
01:08:32.000
When Fury put him out at the end of the fight, like, there can be no doubt.
01:08:36.000
Yeah, I mean, I hate it when fighters do that, when they come out and they've got all these excuses.
01:08:43.000
Talking about the costume and his legs were weak.
01:08:45.000
Tyson Fury said when he knocked him out that his elbow was so fucked up before that fight that he couldn't even hit pads.
01:08:52.000
Like if he missed the pads, it would be excruciating pain.
01:08:56.000
Yeah, because me and Tyson, we had not a bit of beef.
01:09:00.000
We went back and forth on social media a long time ago because we're from a similar part of the world, you know.
01:09:05.000
And after that Deontay Wilder fight, I had no choice but to send him a DM saying, wow, you have my respect.
01:09:14.000
There's a lot of gypsies where I'm from and apparently on Twitter, but I lived in America at the time, Tyson was saying, I got knocked out by Gypsy John outside a nightclub in Blackburn.
01:09:24.000
He's like, oh, you don't talk about that one, Mike.
01:09:25.000
Talk about you getting knocked outside a nightclub.
01:09:34.000
But even after that fight, I had to message him and say, wow, incredible.
01:09:40.000
He's so unusual because of the length and the height, but also the movement for such a big guy.
01:09:47.000
Like, you look at him, he doesn't look like an elite athlete.
01:09:49.000
He's got all that back fat, it's always like big love handles.
01:10:01.000
It shows somebody really in shape, and then there's one of Tyson Fury's.
01:10:14.000
Well, he talks about how he would go out at night and drink fucking pints and pints of beer, and then in the morning, fuck everybody up.
01:10:26.000
It's like he learned the skill of how to put knuckles on someone's face.
01:10:36.000
I mean, against Klitschko, I don't know if you saw that one.
01:10:40.000
And you don't know how hard that is to do that.
01:10:43.000
Cardiovascular, the strain that that puts on those.
01:10:50.000
But they're explosive little movements because you've got to sell the feint.
01:10:52.000
And to do that for 12 rounds, you know, with a body that size, and then, of course, with the output on top of that, it's not an easy thing to do.
01:11:13.000
I mean, he knows what's going to happen now because Usyk is literally fighting the Russians in Ukraine.
01:11:34.000
Have you got fucking 200,000 Russians at your doorstep?
01:11:38.000
And warships and helicopters and all that shit?
01:11:42.000
That whole scene is so horrible and who knows how that plays out.
01:11:51.000
Putin's kind of backed into a corner, isn't it?
01:11:56.000
Did he put the nuclear threat on high or whatever it was?
01:12:04.000
Putin sent hypersonic nuclear-capable bombers to Venezuela.
01:12:11.000
So these bombers are essentially on our doorstep.
01:12:21.000
I've been reading about this and watching videos about this for the last few months, or the last few weeks, rather.
01:12:26.000
And what this is all about, for the most part, is NATO and Ukraine...
01:12:34.000
So 2018, Russian nuclear air-capable bomber aircraft fried to Venezuela.
01:12:45.000
So he sent these supersonic nuclear bombers back then?
01:12:53.000
A lot of that stuff has been being repopulated now, I guess, would be a way to say that.
01:13:04.000
I didn't even know he had supersonic nuclear bombers four years ago.
01:13:10.000
Well, it's a bomber that is capable of flying faster than the speed of sound, which is terrifying.
01:13:18.000
I mean, those guys there, I mean, just civilians picking up guns in the street and fighting the Russians.
01:13:25.000
And a lot of those people that we just mentioned, they have a way to escape.
01:13:35.000
I mean, I heard, my wife told me yesterday, the orphanages, they're really suffering because the workers have just left.
01:13:42.000
So there's kids, orphans, alone in orphanages with no one taking care of them.
01:13:51.000
In this day and age, in this day and age, it's just crazy.
01:13:59.000
I mean, what happens if China decides to invade Taiwan while this is happening?
01:14:15.000
And you know, like we were talking about with Hamzat, people that come out of that kind of struggle from...
01:14:28.000
These kids, these Russians grew up wrestling bears, doing this, I don't know, a bunch of tough stuff.
01:14:42.000
I think there's enough savages in America that that, you know, kind of balances out.
01:14:50.000
Russia has soldiers who boxed trees and wrestle bears and kids taught weapon handling in schools.
01:14:55.000
We've got grown men dancing on TikTok and men who are scared of telling their girlfriends that they're out at the pub.
01:15:06.000
It's true, but I think the terrifying thing is if it all comes down to nuclear war, the toughness does not...
01:15:15.000
What's scary is, like, if someone's willing to shoot missiles into apartment buildings and do the shit that Putin's already done in Ukraine, what...
01:15:30.000
With all the nuclear stuff, I think he's posturing because the Ukrainians, from what I hear, are doing a pretty good job, you know, fighting them off.
01:15:38.000
I mean, there's a lot of people dying, of course, on both sides, I believe.
01:15:43.000
If he can't go in and take out Ukraine, it's not going to look good on the world stage, is it?
01:15:50.000
I was also reading, or watching a video rather, where this guy who lives in Ukraine was talking about how there's a secondary problem that happened from the government handing out all these military weapons to everybody.
01:16:03.000
So now robberies are going up and all sorts of other crimes are going up.
01:16:07.000
They haven't got enough problems at the moment without that as well.
01:16:18.000
As I said before, you think you've got real issues, real problems.
01:16:42.000
So your film, there's a documentary about you that Adam Scorgy did.
01:17:06.000
Video On Demand, VOD. Yeah, like Apple, iTunes, stuff like that, Amazon.
01:17:11.000
And then it'll be Netflix or something after that, I'm sure.
01:17:17.000
Thank you, Joe, because you said some great things on that.
01:17:34.000
Well, I guess it is to a certain degree how great I am, you know?
01:17:43.000
And then some of the producers got together and they were like, no, we don't like this.
01:17:46.000
We think Bisping and then Universal liked that.
01:18:04.000
I mean, some of the words from Michael Jai White, he's on there.
01:18:13.000
The challenges of going through life as an alpha male, you know what I mean?
01:18:17.000
And what's kind of expected from people like that and stuff.
01:18:25.000
What is it like having someone examine your life like that and have all these people talking about you like that?
01:18:38.000
But yeah, I mean, it's nice that it's celebrated in such a way that, I mean, the producers and everyone involved did a tremendous job and I'm very happy with it.
01:18:51.000
I mean, people say I'm an arrogant bastard, but I don't like to sit and talk about myself all the time.
01:18:57.000
Plenty of other people to talk about, do you know what I mean?
01:18:59.000
The way you can tell if a man is arrogant is like, how does he behave once he's retired?
01:19:13.000
I don't sit around and watch my own fights, but occasionally I've been flicking through the TV. It was about two years ago now.
01:19:19.000
I was going through the TV. My son Lucas was in bed with me, and he's never watched any of my fights.
01:19:33.000
And I was flicking through the TV and the Kung Lee fight came on.
01:19:38.000
And he was like, he left the room after a few minutes.
01:19:41.000
He's like, how could you do that to another person, Dad?
01:19:49.000
And then, of course, I carried on watching it, because you do.
01:19:52.000
And at the end of it, I'm calling out, you know, everyone under the sun, calling out Rockhold, saying, I'm going to be the champion one day.
01:20:07.000
So even that fight and the Kung Lee fight you had one eye?
01:20:12.000
But it's like, you know, that guy doesn't exist anymore.
01:20:17.000
I sit there, obviously, you know, you've done it for many, many years.
01:20:20.000
I sit there and I call these fights and I think, these people are fucking crazy.
01:20:27.000
I see some of the action, some of the shots that they land.
01:20:40.000
Where Rodriguez caught him with that head kick.
01:20:57.000
And that Rodriguez guy, I mean, he's a jiu-jitsu master.
01:21:05.000
Standing there fucking going toe-to-toe with a kickboxer.
01:21:19.000
There's so many fights that while you're in the middle watching the fight, you're like, holy shit.
01:21:28.000
It does blow my mind what these men and women do.
01:21:33.000
I mean, I've been there, but it takes a special kind of person to go there and do that.
01:21:38.000
And that's why I have so much respect for everyone that...
01:21:43.000
Well, that's one of the things that I really truly love about what the UFC has done with their commentary team, is that they brought in guys like yourself, guys like Paul Felder, Dominic Cruz, Daniel Cormier, you know, all these guys that are these elite fighters that also are great at broadcasting.
01:22:03.000
It's like they're giving all this work to all these former fighters, And they're so insightful.
01:22:09.000
There's so much they can talk about that some just regular sports commentator can't do.
01:22:15.000
And there's a thing about this sport, too, where when regular sports guys try to come in and use regular sports guy jargon, everybody's like, get the fuck out of here with that shit.
01:22:28.000
They don't want to hear nonsense that you would say, disrespectful talk about a basketball player or a baseball player not hustling.
01:22:36.000
When you start saying that about fighters, you gotta...
01:22:39.000
Yeah, I guess what you're talking about there, there was the famous one with Stephen A. Smith.
01:22:50.000
I have no problem with Stephen A. I like him a lot.
01:23:03.000
People are like, what the fuck's he doing talking about mixed martial arts?
01:23:05.000
It's like, dude, we're trying to grow the sport, trying to make it bigger.
01:23:10.000
And I think as long as he's talking to someone that is an expert, like he was talking to Cormier or someone like that, Cormier can straighten out any misconceptions he might have.
01:23:21.000
He brings the big personality, and he's a guy like, that's his thing.
01:23:34.000
He's very insightful about a lot of sports, and obviously loves MMA, you know?
01:23:45.000
When someone pours their fight, like, Zhang Wei Li versus Ioannion Jacek.
01:23:55.000
When that fight was over, you're like, that wasn't a game.
01:24:03.000
They poured, they emptied everything they had out into that octagon.
01:24:07.000
It's so, it needs so much more respect than any other sport.
01:24:11.000
And fights like that, you only have so many of those in you.
01:24:16.000
Because as you say, you leave a piece of yourself in the octagon.
01:24:18.000
When you go through something like, well, they did five rounds.
01:24:24.000
Yeah, it's not like a guy didn't guard the goalposts well enough.
01:24:34.000
It's not like a guy dropped the ball in the infield.
01:24:38.000
Yeah, that's why people talk about motivation in fights.
01:24:41.000
I say, well, my primary motivation is not to get the shit kicked out of me on national television, international television.
01:24:51.000
But at that moment in time, when they say fight, you're trying to be offensive but defensive at the same time.
01:24:59.000
Was there ever a fight that you went into, forget about just the eye injury, which is obviously a giant compromise, but was there ever a fight besides your eye injury where you went in where you had no problems?
01:25:14.000
But later on, that's something that most people who are casuals don't know.
01:25:22.000
Because I blew out my PCL five days before the Ultimate Fighter finale.
01:25:34.000
We were wrestling there, and I forget how it happened, but I blew my PCL five days before it.
01:25:49.000
I can't beat him with a torn PCL. I don't deserve to be in the UFC. No offense, Josh.
01:26:09.000
Like, my son, he's had like five surgeries now.
01:26:17.000
All my injuries are from wrestling, other than the eye.
01:26:21.000
You know, all wrestling, my neck, I remember I was doing a takedown, and as I went down, smacked my head on the floor.
01:26:27.000
You know, obviously, I did my knee with George, wrestling.
01:26:33.000
Yeah, most of the guys that I know that are high-level jiu-jitsu guys, they've fucked their necks up training with wrestlers.
01:26:38.000
And, you know, you get punched and kicked in the face.
01:26:45.000
With the wrestling injuries, the deep, internal, long-lasting hardships.
01:26:52.000
I mean, how many of those guys, like those elite wrestlers, as they get older, like Dan Gable.
01:26:59.000
Like Dan Gable, he's got two fake hips, fake knees.
01:27:12.000
That's one of the more impressive things about George, that never wrestled in high school, never wrestled in college, became one of the best wrestlers in MMA. It just goes to show.
01:27:20.000
Yeah, if you dedicate yourself to it, and George is so intelligent, too.
01:27:26.000
He's such a smart guy in terms of his approach to training.
01:27:35.000
That's why most of the time you do start so young, because you format the brain in such a way that you can learn that.
01:27:41.000
Because I remember trying to learn wrestling Single legs and stuff like that.
01:27:47.000
So sometimes if I'm doing a single leg, I put my head on the outside because at least then I could drive my shoulder into it.
01:27:51.000
So obviously you're going to get caught in a guillotine if you do that.
01:27:54.000
But doing it with the head inside, I was like for ages.
01:27:58.000
How am I meant to take somebody down like this?
01:28:02.000
And the wrestling coach would just take me down.
01:28:04.000
I'm like, it's fucking easier to punch someone.
01:28:09.000
The fact that George got so good at it from not wrestling as a child is impressive.
01:28:16.000
For some people, and I don't know why some people can figure it out, but for some people, when they're learning striking later in life, they never develop that kind of fluidity that a person, like a Floyd Mayweather, for example, from the time he was a small child, he was learning proper technique.
01:28:39.000
And if you haven't got that, just like punching power, you haven't got it or you haven't.
01:28:43.000
If you haven't got the rhythm as a striker, if you can't move, you haven't got coordination, then you're going to struggle, I think.
01:28:48.000
Yeah, well, one of the things that's interesting about guys like Lomachenko is that his father took him out of boxing for years and made him do Russian or Ukrainian dance.
01:28:59.000
And so this Ukrainian dance moves that they did, that's part of the reason why his footwork is so fucking impressive, which is...
01:29:12.000
To a certain degree, you're dancing with your opponent, you know?
01:29:19.000
Ultimate Fighter 3, rather, where you won the championship.
01:29:25.000
2006. So, from 2006, isn't it wild when you look at the change in the games of these fighters?
01:29:35.000
There are so many guys that are coming up where you're seeing them for the first time in the octagon, like one of their first fights, and you're like, Jesus Christ, these people are so good.
01:29:49.000
Even when I was fighting, I've never taken a calf kick.
01:29:58.000
Because people fall on the floor and they get red and swollen and they look nasty.
01:30:06.000
Well, do you remember who the first person you ever saw throw one?
01:30:10.000
For me, I'm pretty sure it was Benson Henderson.
01:30:14.000
Yeah, he was one of the first guys I saw use it.
01:30:26.000
You know, because I've had people throwing weird kicks at me over the course of my career.
01:30:34.000
We'd be here and he'd lean down and he'd jab my thigh or whatever.
01:30:41.000
You're just trying to make me look stupid, aren't you?
01:30:49.000
Well, it's crazy how it just all of a sudden took over the sport.
01:30:54.000
I mean, it was a few years ago that you just started seeing everybody throwing calf kicks.
01:30:58.000
It's the ultimate calf kicking championship now because you literally can end the fight.
01:31:04.000
The only person I've ever seen who could take them and it doesn't seem to have as much of an effect on them is Max.
01:31:11.000
When he fought Volkanovski, Volkanovski was eating his calf up and he just kept switching stances and kept moving.
01:31:21.000
I mean of course then you've got the nerve issues as well and the peroneal nerve as we saw with O'Malley.
01:31:27.000
That's one thing but just the sheer pain, it looks so painful.
01:31:34.000
His calf gave out, his foot dropped, and they stopped the fight because he couldn't walk good because it's just from calf kick.
01:31:42.000
Yeah, because people always say to me, you know, I say always say to me, but often you get talking to someone and they find out you were a fighter, you know, oh, what was that like?
01:31:49.000
Does it hurt getting punched in the face or whatever?
01:31:55.000
With the adrenaline and stuff, you get kind of conditioned to taking a punch to the face.
01:32:02.000
Punches to the face unless it knocks you out or it's a really, really good one.
01:32:06.000
You know, you just take him and you're like, son of a bitch, whatever.
01:32:08.000
Liver shots are the weirdest because you can get hit sometimes really hard and it doesn't do it.
01:32:16.000
And then sometimes a good swift left hook to the ribs.
01:32:20.000
And you just have that bolt goes through your body and you can't fucking move.
01:32:28.000
If the person's breathing in as it's connected as well, that'll, you know, play a big factor in it.
01:32:36.000
Did you see that Koreshkov knockout the other day?
01:32:54.000
Because you see on the impact, his foot is just deep into this dude's rib cage.
01:33:04.000
It's Chance for Encounter, who's a tough fucking dude.
01:33:12.000
The heel, right into the ribcage, shattered five ribs.
01:33:46.000
I've broken them, but the tearing of the cartilage might be just as bad as breaking them.
01:33:51.000
Final day before I flew to New York for the George St. Pierre fight.
01:33:56.000
You were telling me that you were thinking about trying to shoot it up with lidocaine.
01:34:05.000
The doctor said, oh, you can, I think we talked about this last time, punch your lung and die.
01:34:14.000
I feel like you would have to go really deep to puncture your lung, though.
01:34:20.000
Because it seems like if you're going into the cartilage, it's kind of right there.
01:34:32.000
Yeah, but me, he's just thinking, he's a bloody knucklehead, isn't he?
01:34:49.000
Is it difficult to go from this guy who's just completely obsessed with winning and fucking people up and being a champion, and then you disconnect from that and you go to being a commentator and a regular guy?
01:35:08.000
Do you miss having some ultimate quest in your life, a thing that you're chasing, or do you feel satisfied with what you accomplished?
01:35:16.000
Yeah, a bit of both, you know, because I'm still...
01:35:24.000
I'm still trying to be a success, still working on many, many projects.
01:35:31.000
When you're training for a fight, I miss the mission of it.
01:35:35.000
So you get an email from the UFC, you're going to fight this guy on this day.
01:35:40.000
In three months' time, you sit down with your coaches, you watch the tape, you formulate a game plan, you get the whiteboard out, train this day, train that day, strength and conditioning there, run there, wrestling there, rest day here with massage and whatnot.
01:35:57.000
And then you all, you go through a two-month training camp, you all get together on a plane, you fly off to the other side of the world, you know, with your brothers, you know, and you go to war.
01:36:17.000
You know, obviously with the wear and tear that's on your body, you left it all.
01:36:23.000
Yeah, but you're just on to the next thing in life now.
01:36:27.000
I mean, you mentioned the UFC bringing in former fighters.
01:36:30.000
I'm so grateful for that because there's so many fighters and athletes.
01:36:37.000
And that always scared me because so many people, they...
01:36:44.000
Yeah, that is the beautiful thing about the UFC, what they've done.
01:36:47.000
I really love that, that they've given these retired fighters a legitimate career.
01:37:01.000
Many fighters, when it's over, they don't know what the fuck to do.
01:37:04.000
Their whole identity is wrapped up in the fact that they're competing.
01:37:11.000
And a lot of people fall into ill ways and things like that.
01:37:18.000
I mean, for me, I was lucky because of my eye issue.
01:37:21.000
I knew I was trying to set up some things whilst I still had a platform, for want of a better word.
01:37:27.000
Because nobody gives a damn about a washed up former fighter, the ten a penny.
01:37:32.000
Because I knew I was on borrowed time, so I was trying to do as many things as I could to try and earn a living outside of fighting.
01:37:46.000
Yeah, and we all know so many guys who go the wrong way, where it didn't work out, or they stuck around too long.
01:37:56.000
I mean, like with you, one of the things is you still have your faculties about you 100%, so you're great at talking, you can articulate things well.
01:38:06.000
So many of the guys that we know, they get to a certain point, and then they keep going, and they should have stopped, and then they keep going even further, and they should have stopped, and then you run into them one day, and they'll say something to you, and then you keep talking, and they'll say that thing again.
01:38:22.000
And you realize, like, oh my god, they don't...
01:38:24.000
I'm laughing because I repeat myself sometimes.
01:38:38.000
And people want to criticize the UFC or they want to criticize boxing.
01:38:51.000
This is what we're blessed with, these abilities, these talents.
01:38:54.000
So we do it, and it is a sacrifice, and you don't necessarily know at the time maybe what you might be signing up to in terms of your long-term health.
01:39:08.000
And the glory that someone gets from the fact that they accomplished something that just the tiniest percentage of people...
01:39:16.000
I mean, what fucking percentage of people on earth get to be a UFC champion?
01:39:21.000
I mean, it's one of the smallest percentages of any accomplishment a person can do.
01:39:30.000
Don't give it the respect that it should, that it deserves.
01:39:34.000
I'm talking about missing weight and things like that.
01:39:37.000
My son blew out his meniscus and he got heavy and then he got COVID. He got up to 220-something pounds.
01:39:45.000
He wrestles at 197. And he had a tournament come up and he had to cut weight.
01:39:49.000
He didn't get paid a penny, got no entourage with him, no team of people helping him cut weight.
01:39:54.000
But he still made weight and then wrestled 30 minutes later, wrestled like shit because of course you can't wrestle well.
01:39:59.000
And then he made weight again a few days later.
01:40:01.000
You see a lot of people coming in not making weight these days because it's cool.
01:40:05.000
They see it on TV. They want to be a part of it.
01:40:15.000
It's obviously there's a science to weight cutting.
01:40:29.000
I mean, the guys that are really good at it, like Dolce and Lockhart, they know exactly how much water you should be taking in, exactly how much sodium they weigh you, they check your nutrients, they know what they're doing.
01:40:43.000
But some guys, they just think, I can make the weight.
01:40:49.000
Unfortunately, we haven't seen it in the UFC. A loss of life.
01:41:04.000
What were you walking around at when you were fighting 85?
01:41:08.000
When I first went down there, I knew nothing about cutting weight.
01:41:12.000
I saw Eddie Bravo, my first ever middleweight fight.
01:41:16.000
It was UFC 83, Sarah and GSP. I was fighting Charles McCarthy.
01:41:22.000
And I dieted down to 185 pretty much, about 188 because I was a fucking idiot.
01:41:27.000
The team I was with at the time didn't know anything about it.
01:41:29.000
And I remember I went down in the morning to have the weight checked, because they always used to bring you down early, see where you're at.
01:41:36.000
And I remember I got in the elevator and Eddie Bravo was there.
01:41:39.000
I said, I'm about 187, 188. He said, oh, how was the cut?
01:41:45.000
He said, you could make 170. I was like, shit, you're right.
01:41:48.000
So after I got knocked out of Dan Henderson, I'm like, hold on a minute, I've got to...
01:41:53.000
If I got on a plane on the Tuesday to fly to whatever city it was, if I was 200 pounds, I was happy.
01:42:02.000
So when you were 188, did you just kind of starve yourself and shrink everything down?
01:42:10.000
Every time making 185, to be honest, you start the camp.
01:42:13.000
It's so detrimental to the sport, I think, cutting weight.
01:42:19.000
I would start my camp, I'd feel strong, I would feel great, and then by the end of it, I was so weak and pathetic.
01:42:30.000
Yeah, my cardio is good, but I'm not strong or explosive.
01:42:37.000
Working my ass off two, three times a day with no carbohydrates.
01:42:46.000
And a lot of people, a lot of people do it the same way.
01:42:50.000
Do you think that when you fought Charles McCarthy and you get down to 188, was that as good?
01:42:58.000
Like, was it getting bigger and then drying yourself out and then rehydrating?
01:43:06.000
That gives you a perceived size and strength advantage, but everybody's doing the same thing.
01:43:14.000
I remember I went down to 185 and I was like, oh, I'm going to pick on these little guys now.
01:43:18.000
And I squared up against, my second fight was Jason Day.
01:43:21.000
I remember seeing Jason Day in the office where he signed all the posters.
01:43:32.000
Remember when we fought Alan Belcher and finished him from the guard?
01:43:38.000
It's just weird culture that we have, but we're kind of...
01:43:41.000
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
01:43:44.000
That is a great way to put it because there's so many guys that do cut weight that you're forced into that situation.
01:43:51.000
I think, you know, I know one FC has tried to curb it.
01:43:59.000
But I know they've instituted some sort of a hydration protocol where you have to be hydrated and they check your weight.
01:44:06.000
Wrestling, high school, there's hydration tests every so often.
01:44:11.000
There was supposed to be a rule, wasn't there, a while ago where you had to be within 20% of your weight.
01:44:17.000
You only had to be over by 20% of your body weight.
01:44:20.000
Right, like X amount of days outside of the fight.
01:44:23.000
There was talk of that coming in, I think, from the California Athletic Commission, I think.
01:44:37.000
Like, you couldn't be X amount of percentage over what your weigh-in weight was.
01:44:45.000
But everyone still carried on doing the same amount of weight cuts.
01:44:49.000
I know a guy who he took blood out of his body to make weight.
01:45:03.000
I don't know how many days, like when they do blood doping, how many days do they keep it out of your body and let your body recover?
01:45:10.000
When someone does blood doping, how many days do they keep the blood out of their body before they put more back in?
01:45:17.000
Because the whole idea is like your body has a certain amount of blood that it likes to keep in your body.
01:45:24.000
So if you drain your body of like a few pints of blood, and then you have them sit in a refrigerator, and then your body replaces that blood, and then you put the whole blood in too.
01:45:36.000
Right, which is like why the cyclists take EPO. Yeah, yeah.
01:45:39.000
So I wonder, like, how long it takes for your body to make that blood, though.
01:45:44.000
Because you would think if, like, say if a guy, like, this guy that I had heard, I don't want to say his name, but I heard that he took two...
01:45:59.000
I had a conversation with Chael right after he got popped, and he goes, you know those tests that they do?
01:46:14.000
He changed the game in terms of letting people know that shit-talking is incredibly profitable in MMA. Yeah.
01:46:22.000
Because before him and that shit that he would talk with Anderson Silva...
01:46:28.000
What was he, trying to feed the carrot to the bus?
01:46:35.000
This is the most detailed explanation I can find of like two sentences.
01:46:44.000
Stored one to seven days before a high endurance event.
01:46:47.000
So like if a guy does that and makes weight and then they take the blood out, they store it for a day and they put it back in the next day, this is as a significant amount of iron is removed by each Autologous.
01:47:04.000
An adequate time for recovery is not less than three days.
01:47:13.000
From the last donation and appropriate iron supplements.
01:47:18.000
Usually required for patients undergoing autologous donations.
01:47:21.000
Nearly 50% of autologous donations are not used by the donor and are discarded.
01:47:28.000
Anyway, so this guy, to make weight, they took bags of blood out of him, and one of my friends walked in, and they were doing it in the fucking hotel room, and one of my friends walked in and saw them taking blood.
01:48:15.000
He's not going to like me telling this story, though, but it's true.
01:48:20.000
And he's like, Mike, are you doing an IV after the fight?
01:48:29.000
So he comes to the hotel room and he'd just done a course in it.
01:48:34.000
Turns out his skills in doing IVs wasn't very good.
01:48:38.000
He messed it up and there was literally, literally...
01:48:45.000
And I'm standing there, I'm going, Dean, is this normal?
01:48:50.000
And then he's like, he talks a little and then lets his finger off.
01:49:00.000
Yeah, a nurse or whatever comes back and takes care of it.
01:49:06.000
That nurse that you met, she gives me IV vitamins.
01:49:21.000
When I would go on the road with Dave, Dave Chappelle parties.
01:49:25.000
He's drinking all night, and then the next morning, he goes, Joe, come on onto my room.
01:49:29.000
We're going to do some IV vitamin transfusions.
01:49:34.000
He goes, oh yeah, you gotta do that if you pardon.
01:49:37.000
Yeah, because it does glutathione, zinc, vitamins.
01:49:42.000
And all the liquid too, just having all that IV, saline, getting into your system, rehydrate you well, but you feel fucking good.
01:49:56.000
There's a service called driphydration.com that we would use in LA. I know that they travel to people.
01:50:08.000
You're always doing that with your neck because it's still fucking you.
01:50:12.000
Is anything you can do other than surgery that helps that or you just have to?
01:50:19.000
Have you done spinal decompression or anything like that?
01:50:28.000
I have a guy going on at me all the time about doing some treatment on my neck.
01:50:39.000
I used to go to one place every week and get works on two, three times a week and it never made a difference.
01:50:45.000
Do you have, with your discs, is there disc tissue that bulges or is it deteriorated?
01:51:03.000
But yeah, just the compressed nerve is just causing issues.
01:51:09.000
There's a thing called Regenikine that I did when I had a bulging disc.
01:51:13.000
I had a bulging disc to the point where it was making my fingers numb, like these two fingers, because it was the ulnar nerve, I guess, and it goes down through your elbows.
01:51:20.000
I would get elbow pain, and I wouldn't think...
01:51:24.000
I knew my neck was fucked up, but I was like, the elbow pain, what is this?
01:51:28.000
And when I got it checked out, it turned out that this disc was pushing against the nerves.
01:51:33.000
And that nerve was causing my finger to get numb.
01:51:35.000
And they fixed it with the thing called Regenikine.
01:51:42.000
It's like a more advanced form of platelet-rich plasma.
01:51:49.000
And so they take your blood and they run it through the centrifuge and they treat it for, I think it's 10 hours.
01:51:56.000
And then the next day you come back and then they inject it into the sites.
01:52:01.000
Like they have these needles that they put into your neck.
01:52:04.000
And they have these little screw tops and they screw into the top of the needle and they push it in there and push it in there.
01:52:10.000
And it's pushing this liquid that is the most potent anti-inflammatory drug known to man, apparently.
01:52:24.000
And it causes those areas to relax and it causes the inflammation to die off.
01:52:30.000
And then the disc kind of goes back into place on its own.
01:52:35.000
I had a fucked up neck like that for a whole year.
01:52:39.000
I remember you saying, I had an epidural just before, when was it?
01:52:44.000
Because I've had them in the past and it did nothing.
01:52:50.000
You might want to look into this before you go and get more surgery on your neck.
01:52:57.000
There's a place called Lifespan Medicine in Santa Monica.
01:53:07.000
I've gone to them dozens of times, and I've had stem cells done there, and PRP, or rather, Regenikine on my lower back, my mid-back, and my neck.
01:53:25.000
I wish I stretched more when I was a kid, do you know what I mean?
01:53:28.000
Or when I was training because now I can't even reach back here to put my collar down when I put a tie on.
01:53:40.000
I'm going to do this and that and chest and biceps.
01:53:53.000
I've been talking about it with my daughter because I'm too nervous to go.
01:53:58.000
Because I've never done it before and I don't want to walk into a room and it's all, you know, a bunch of hot chicks all in lycra and I'm walking in, belly hanging out, bloody trying to You know, so I said to my daughter, I said, would you mind, because she goes, she loves it.
01:54:11.000
I said, I'll come with you one time, would you mind?
01:54:21.000
I haven't done it in a long time, though, honestly.
01:54:25.000
But I found a place, I'm going to start doing it, because a lot of my comedian friends out here started doing yoga, and they're like, god damn, man, it changed my life.
01:54:36.000
Who is it, the guy Nick, the jujitsu guy from South Africa, he had a great quote, Greek gentleman.
01:54:45.000
He said, yoga is a martial art that you do on yourself.
01:54:54.000
So we could credit him with that quote because I fucking love that quote.
01:55:07.000
He was one of the co-hosts in the early days, but he left and then the guy who runs it now just loves himself.
01:55:27.000
Very nice guy, though, and very talented jiu-jitsu guy.
01:55:31.000
The fight is not against nature, the fight is against habits.
01:55:43.000
But yoga, I mean, I found out about yoga from Hickson.
01:55:46.000
Watching Hickson in that Choke documentary, I was like, oh, that's one of his secrets.
01:55:51.000
One of his secrets is that he was so good at yoga.
01:55:53.000
And essentially you just get way more flexible as well, right?
01:55:56.000
Way more flexible, way more motion, way more mobility, way more range of motion.
01:56:06.000
Also the ability to breathe through tough positions.
01:56:09.000
I think that's very important because yoga involves a lot of breath work.
01:56:12.000
Did you see that documentary on, was it Bikram yoga?
01:56:22.000
One drop of my sperm is worth a million dollars.
01:56:26.000
People will give me a million dollars for one drop.
01:56:36.000
He's like, my jizz is worth a million bucks a drop.
01:56:49.000
If he comes to America, they're going to arrest him.
01:56:52.000
But that's, the thing is, like, some people are not all bad.
01:56:57.000
Like, he's definitely, like, according to these ladies, he's a piece of shit, but he did bring, like, a style of yoga and popularized it to America, and I'm sure changed a lot of people's lives as well.
01:57:13.000
If you listen to him talk, the guy's an egomaniac.
01:57:17.000
I mean, I did watch it at the time when it came out.
01:57:18.000
But it's so contradictory to what you think about yoga.
01:57:21.000
You think of yoga as people being peaceful and kind and open-minded and loving, spiritual, and he's a fucking pervert.
01:57:28.000
He's talking about how much his jizz is worth and just trying to fuck everybody.
01:57:34.000
He's a man at the end of the day, let's be honest.
01:57:36.000
He's doing his yoga, he's doing all that, but...
01:57:45.000
It's not exactly the spiritual guru that you think he is.
01:57:53.000
There's one that I follow on Instagram now called Sad Guru.
01:58:04.000
Yeah, he seems very wise and very legit, but you never know.
01:58:13.000
The quotes that he comes out with definitely make me think all the time.
01:58:29.000
There's quite a few of those online where he says some really interesting shit, but so did that Osho guy, that guy who ran that cult up in...
01:58:44.000
Your whole life is happening between these three dimensions.
01:58:58.000
Three dimensions of time, all your experience of life is happening here.
01:59:02.000
But if you lose distinction between what is past, what is present, what is future, then everything hurts.
01:59:10.000
But not everybody, terrible things have happened.
01:59:12.000
Unfortunately, for a few people, they have happened.
01:59:15.000
But the rest of the people are simply suffering something, isn't it?
01:59:21.000
People think if they're suffering, they are very intellectual, they are very profound.
01:59:26.000
No, it's just stupid because you're suffering something that doesn't exist.
01:59:31.000
You're not suffering what's happening right now.
01:59:33.000
You're suffering what happened yesterday and you're suffering something that may happen tomorrow already.
01:59:39.000
So this madness has been encouraged simply because we never train people how to use their faculties.
01:59:50.000
I mean, how many people know how to think about things correctly, how to manage the way your mind works?
01:59:56.000
It's very important, especially if you're stressed out.
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But as you said, it is very fashionable these days to be suffering, you know?
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We'll be right back once again, ladies and gentlemen.
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When you were fighting, did you follow any specific nutrition program or anything?
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And I know I'm not sounding very smart here, but I was just, no, I didn't.
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I mean, a few times I've worked with nutritionists.
02:00:48.000
Like I remember when I first moved here, I got up to like 237 pounds.
02:00:53.000
I was fine at 185 against Mayhem Miller in eight weeks.
02:01:07.000
And yeah, so I worked with this nutritionist and it was essentially just a keto diet, even though that name wasn't popularized back then.
02:01:14.000
I'm sure it was around, but it wasn't the buzzword what it is now, but essentially it was just a keto diet, yeah.
02:01:19.000
The problem with that diet is for the adaptation period, right after you start it, a lot of people have a really hard time working out.
02:01:30.000
I would show up and it would be like, everything was like, in quicksand or underwater, you know, it was just so labored.
02:01:38.000
No carbs, no energy, no recovery, body aching head to toe.
02:01:43.000
It's a hard way to train and get ready for a fight.
02:01:46.000
Yeah, I think for high-level performers, it's pretty much been established that you need carbohydrates.
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Problem is, you know, too many carbs makes you gain weight.
02:02:01.000
Even my friend Zach Bitter, he holds the world record for the fastest 100 miles run on a track.
02:02:10.000
He ran 100 miles in, I think it was 11 hours and 40 minutes.
02:02:45.000
He's also got the one on the treadmill, and that's the one that popped up first.
02:02:56.000
Hold on, so running on the track was faster than the treadmill?
02:02:59.000
It was probably his first one, the first time he did it.
02:03:06.000
Unless, yeah, have you ever used those ones like the Air Runner?
02:03:11.000
Okay, current world record holder, 11 hours and 19 minutes, that's it, in 13 seconds.
02:03:26.000
But what I was going to get to is that he eats mostly meat.
02:03:37.000
But he thinks it's the most nutrient-dense food and then when he goes to compete and do things like that, he'll take like glucose gels and he'll eat things like that where he gets plenty of glucose, plenty of carbohydrates.
02:03:51.000
But for the most part, his diet consists of mostly red meat.
02:03:57.000
Yeah, he carbs up like before a big event, like running a hundred miles.
02:04:01.000
Just simply because that's what he likes and thinks it's the healthiest?
02:04:08.000
I think for some people, a vegetable-based diet or a pescatarian diet or some people, it's great.
02:04:20.000
I mean, I'll occasionally have a cheeseburger or some shit.
02:04:37.000
I'll eat apples and bananas and stuff like that, but that's it.
02:04:43.000
I don't fuck with any carbohydrates like pasta and stuff like that.
02:05:03.000
Because I just feel more alert when I haven't eaten when I'm fasting.
02:05:07.000
But then it's always chicken sausages, eggs, bacon.
02:05:14.000
Because I've got to roll it up and make a little sandwich out of it.
02:05:18.000
If you put a bowl of spaghetti with like sausage in front of me, I will scarf that motherfucker down.
02:05:35.000
I know I have this reputation, but I don't go out getting shit-faced.
02:05:41.000
But I still have a little bit of wine in the evening, which is pointless.
02:05:45.000
You're fucking fasting all day, but you're not fasting because you're drinking wine right before you go to bed.
02:05:52.000
I know you're not supposed to, but when I have a steak with a glass of wine, it makes me so happy.
02:05:56.000
You've got to have a glass of red wine with a steak.
02:06:01.000
I can't have a fucking glass Right, that's what I'm saying.
02:06:05.000
I'm going to work my ass off and get to this point in my life and not allow myself to have a glass of wine.
02:06:11.000
There was a video that they did, one of those UFC Unleashed or whatever the fuck it was.
02:06:15.000
It was like they would interview him while he was on his training camp and then they went out to dinner with him.
02:06:20.000
And then he was having a glass of wine after training.
02:06:23.000
He was like, I don't think there's anything wrong with a glass of wine after a long training session.
02:06:49.000
If you man up and tell me a date for the fight, I'll switch on.
02:06:58.000
And one leads to another and from there it's a slippery slope and then all of a sudden you're showing up for a press conference late.
02:07:23.000
I mean, in the middle of camp, he'd have a glass of wine.
02:07:28.000
I think when you're training that much, whatever negative aspect, whatever negative thing the alcohol does, it's probably balanced out by the fact that it relaxes you.
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But there was always one night where I'd fuck up.
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And it would start with that, I'll have a glass of wine.
02:08:00.000
Well, Jon Jones said a thing that was really interesting when I talked to him.
02:08:02.000
He said that he would self-sabotage before a fight, so he'd give himself an excuse if he lost.
02:08:10.000
There was a guy, a friend of mine, shall remain nameless, and MMA was his life, and he was so talented, he was so good, and he got an opportunity to go on The Ultimate Fighter.
02:08:21.000
Well, sorry, he was going to, you know, they have those auditions.
02:08:25.000
But he had a great personality, a tremendous wrestler, sick jiu-jitsu, good striking.
02:08:30.000
The night before, because I was doing something, I came back, and the morning he was going to the airport, he could hardly string a sentence together.
02:08:40.000
Me and my wife were saying, why does he self-sabotage?
02:08:47.000
Well, some people, the pressure of performance is just too great.
02:08:50.000
Their mind plays tricks on them and they, like, you know, Sadhguru had to say, some people just don't know how to use their faculties.
02:08:57.000
And so when their mind plays tricks on them and they start having all the stress that they have to handle, they don't know how to just relax and just go, yep, this is part of the process.
02:09:18.000
I mean, it was easy for him to admit because he never lost, right?
02:09:21.000
Because he had done that every time but never lost.
02:09:30.000
Like, why are you partying the week before a giant fight?
02:09:33.000
Like, one of the things that he said with Daniel Cormier was kind of hilarious.
02:09:43.000
You know, you take yourself very seriously, and this guy's out there doing cocaine and partying all week.
02:09:57.000
I remember I was in Newark when he fought Shogun.
02:10:23.000
It's a different world, first of all, that he doesn't have to cut weight anymore.
02:10:31.000
I mean, if he goes right into Ngannou, if they set that up right away, I mean...
02:10:36.000
I don't know what's ever happened to him in training camp, what kind of giant heavyweights he's ever sparred with.
02:10:42.000
Maybe he's been hit by big guys like that before.
02:10:47.000
He said at the Hall of Fame thing, right before he got arrested, that he was 265. Yeah.
02:11:09.000
The aggression, the ability to pull the trigger when he needs.
02:11:14.000
Well, all the intel that I've ever got from guys that train with him has said he would ragdoll heavyweights.
02:11:20.000
And he was doing it while he was a light heavyweight champion.
02:11:24.000
People are like, you don't know how good John really is.
02:11:26.000
Out of camp, light heavyweights are heavyweights.
02:11:30.000
He's probably walking around 230, 235. That's a good size heavyweight.
02:11:35.000
Kane with a significant amount of body fat was always in the 240s.
02:11:43.000
When Fedor was at his top, he was like that, about 240. Oh, Fedor could have made 205 easily.
02:11:52.000
There's a lot of guys that just don't want to cut the weight or...
02:12:08.000
It's like, what is the optimum weight for heavyweight?
02:12:12.000
Everybody would say it was around 240 until Ngannou came around.
02:12:16.000
And then you're like, you do not want to give up 25 pounds of that, man.
02:12:20.000
Greg Hardy started his cut on Tuesday at 295 pounds.
02:12:35.000
But then you cut, all right, maybe a few pounds.
02:12:38.000
There's lots of heavyweights that are over 265. Yeah.
02:12:41.000
But coming in and having to do a 30-pound weight cut as a heavyweight, that's insane.
02:12:46.000
Yeah, how about fucking Tai Tuivasa taking out Derrick Lewis like that?
02:12:56.000
I mean, he's always been a great fighter and fun to watch, but there's something over the last, like, four fights, that fucking guy's really turned the corner.
02:13:08.000
I don't know if he's technically getting better or things like that.
02:13:30.000
You beat Derek Lewis like that, you're top three, right?
02:13:36.000
I know in his hometown What that fight was crazy watching on television but the roar of the crowd and the commentary and everything you couldn't hear the thuds of the shots Somebody has a video.
02:13:48.000
It seems like cell phone video that is like right in Like right there, cage side.
02:14:01.000
It's like a shitty cell phone video, but you hear the whoomp, whoomp, the shots they were landing on each other.
02:14:08.000
Because those shots that Lewis hit Ty with when he was down, I was like, oh, because I like Ty.
02:14:28.000
And then come up guns blazing, just swinging for the fences when he stood up.
02:14:31.000
He didn't like stand up and run and try to get out of there.
02:14:36.000
But the shots that he ate from the biggest knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division.
02:14:41.000
Derek Lewis has knocked out more human beings than anyone in the history of the fucking sport.
02:14:55.000
Like Vitor Belfort, he was 12. You know, when he beat, who did Derek knockout?
02:15:03.000
When he beat Chris Dorcas, I interviewed him on the mic and he said, I said, you've now got 30 knockouts in the UFC, the most in history.
02:15:13.000
And he told me when he was on the podcast that he got tested and he has low testosterone.
02:15:18.000
And I was like, how the fuck do you have low testosterone?
02:15:22.000
When we used to have UFC Tonight, you know that show on Wednesday night?
02:15:27.000
They had a little phase, they had one of those old punch bag machines.
02:15:33.000
And then everyone that came on, you know, we would put them on that.
02:15:37.000
And I swear to God, when the ball goes up and hits like the frame, you know, the metal thing, the thing, say if this is the base, When it hit, ever so slightly came off the ground.
02:15:51.000
Hit it like that and then just a little bit off the ground.
02:15:56.000
I would like to see him punch that machine that the Apex Center has.
02:16:00.000
You know, that Francis Ngannou has a record for punching it.
02:16:13.000
Whatever that number is that he hit with a punch.
02:16:25.000
Like when Dana was saying that, I was like, Dana, you might want to stop saying that.
02:16:31.000
Yeah, I think you might want to talk to a scientist.
02:16:34.000
It's not like Dana and I are out there with lab coats on.
02:16:38.000
And who's tested how hard a Ford Escort hits as well?
02:16:44.000
I think if they drove a Ford Escort going 30 miles an hour into that fucking punch machine, that shit would obliterate.
02:16:51.000
There's no way that's the same amount of force.
02:17:20.000
There's a funny video though of a girl doing it, and she swings and hits her boyfriend right in the face, and his face is so far away from that bag, you gotta go, I wonder...
02:17:31.000
I was gonna say, how do you miss that and hit your boyfriend in the face?
02:17:34.000
She stepped in, like stepped forward, swung, missed the bag entirely, and hit him right in the chin.
02:17:42.000
If I was him, and I saw that video, I'd be super suspicious.
02:17:49.000
I would like to see this because I'm trying to give some input on it.
02:17:53.000
I mean, it could be just terrible timing and bad luck and all the above, but there's something about the way she connects right on his fucking face that makes me wonder.
02:18:21.000
Do you think that was one of those, you know, these stupid social media pranks where they're trying to pretend?
02:18:47.000
Well, it's not a bad place to stand if someone's actually hitting the bag.
02:19:12.000
So, if I'm trying to hit the microphone there, she's coming off to the side.
02:19:32.000
She's just getting closer and closer and closer to him.
02:19:36.000
I think she sucks and she hit him right in the face.
02:19:38.000
Dude, I think she sucks and she hit him right in the face.
02:19:40.000
Or she fucking hates him and she wanted to hit him.
02:19:45.000
Hard as you can and you don't know what you're doing, you're going to be off balance.
02:20:01.000
I mean, what kind of man lets a woman haul off and punch him in the face like that just for a TikTok video?
02:20:24.000
Somebody told me on Twitter today, make sure you bring your tinfoil hat today.
02:20:28.000
Yeah, they think I talk about a lot of conspiracy theories.
02:20:37.000
The way he hits her, or she hits him rather, she's hitting him full blast right in the kisser.
02:20:46.000
I mean, what if that video keeps going on and he just crumples to his knees?
02:20:54.000
There's some good fucking fights this weekend, Mike.
02:21:17.000
He's got COVID. Oh, he's got COVID? Yeah, he's got COVID, yeah.
02:21:26.000
So, yeah, he just flew from Thailand, I think, to get here.
02:21:30.000
Got here and came down with COVID. Oh, that sucks.
02:21:39.000
Oh my god, if he just fought and then fought again.
02:21:41.000
But he's so close to a title shot, that seems crazy.
02:21:44.000
Like, what if he turns an ankle and fucks his, you know, who knows?
02:21:50.000
I feel like, I feel like, also I heard Dana say that Islam's gonna fight Benil Dariush next.
02:22:00.000
I said, would you contemplate that fight again?
02:22:07.000
But then Dana said this week that Conor will probably fight for the belt.
02:22:10.000
He probably said may fight for the belt upon his return.
02:22:15.000
Islam Makhachev must fight Benil Darius next since he turned down Rafael dos Anjos.
02:22:24.000
After he allegedly flip-flopped on a short-notice replacement fight on Saturday.
02:22:28.000
So he's punishing him for not doing something stupid?
02:22:31.000
Because that's not a wise move to fight in the main event.
02:22:39.000
Wow, he put his hand up to fight Dos Anjos in a bout that has been cancelled three times before.
02:22:45.000
Even offered to move up to welterweight to alleviate the pressure off Makachev for a big weight cut.
02:23:14.000
White said, when I went to bed one of the nights before, I thought it was done.
02:23:18.000
Woke up the next morning and found out that Makachev turned it down.
02:23:21.000
The thing is, if Makachev beat Dos Anjos right after he beat Bobby Green like that, I mean, he's undeniable.
02:23:30.000
I mean, he's on a 10-fight win streak as it is.
02:23:37.000
Like, Dos Anjos, no disrespect, but it seems like for Makachev, he looks so good.
02:23:43.000
The way he looked against Drew Dober, the way he looked against Dan Hooker, I mean, he's a fucking killer, man.
02:23:49.000
I talked myself into thinking that Bobby Green was going to have a real shot in that fight.
02:23:54.000
I thought, oh, you look at the wrestling that Bobby's got.
02:23:57.000
You know, he's going to come into this one with no pressure.
02:24:09.000
He fucking went straight through him like he was nothing.
02:24:14.000
I would like to see Bobby Green fight him with a full camp.
02:24:17.000
You know, when Bobby Green had just gotten off of the fight of Hasparat, and he fought a tough fight, goes the full distance, three rounds, and then right after that, it's like a short amount of time later, you know, he gets 10 days notice to fight Makachev,
02:24:34.000
and I think he was like 190-something before he began the cut.
02:24:38.000
Well, the thing is, I mean, what was so impressive about Makachev was because You know, you're up against a fence, you're fighting for underhooks and all the rest of it.
02:24:45.000
And that typically becomes a little bit of a stalemate there.
02:24:47.000
But when he level changed from having an underhook, level changed to the legs, people try and do that.
02:24:53.000
But normally, people get an underhook in, and that's it.
02:24:56.000
But the speed of what Islam did it in was just...
02:25:05.000
But Bobby did avoid the takedown, the first takedown attempt.
02:25:13.000
When a guy takes a fight on 10 days notice, I say to the man who won the UFC middleweight title on, what, 11 days notice?
02:25:22.000
It was two weeks notice, but I still had to finish filming this movie I was on.
02:25:30.000
Yeah, so somewhere in the same range, and you won the title.
02:25:36.000
It's like Makachev ain't gonna stand and go toe-to-toe with you.
02:25:39.000
And if he does, the thing is, he can do that, too.
02:25:50.000
But ten fights in a row, I mean, it would have been great.
02:25:54.000
It would have been really impressive and sexy and great for the fans if you did that.
02:25:57.000
Because I thought that would be the fight that UFC would try and make, and it looks like it was.
02:26:02.000
If Dana said that, that Makachev now has to fight Benil Darius before he can fight for the title, I think that sets up a Conor fight.
02:26:12.000
Because Conor was at Bellator last Friday, and he did an interview, and he said, yeah, I think I'm coming back and fighting for the belt.
02:26:25.000
If you want the company, would you want that to happen?
02:26:30.000
Because the reality is, Conor's best days are long gone.
02:26:37.000
Well, the last fight, listen, we've got to look at it this way.
02:26:50.000
That's one of the best examples of a calf kick winning the fight.
02:26:55.000
It starts off with that right hand, rocks him, puts him away, knocks him out, no questions asked.
02:27:00.000
Then he comes into the second fight with a hairline fracture already in his shin.
02:27:18.000
I mean, his fucking shin has a bolt in it forever.
02:27:24.000
And it's a year later, a year out of his prime.
02:27:29.000
If there's a person that you put him against in the top five to beat, it would be Charles Oliveira.
02:27:46.000
The fact that he survived both Dustin's onslaught, where he really looked like he was going to get put away, and Michael Chandler.
02:27:58.000
Survives that and then comes out and starches Chandler in the second round.
02:28:03.000
He's not Superman, but God damn, he's ferocious.
02:28:07.000
Gagey never uses his bloody wrestling anyway, so...
02:28:19.000
If Conor, if Gaethje beats Oliveira, Gaethje versus Conor is a dangerous fight for Conoco.
02:28:26.000
Who the fuck kicks your legs better than Gaethje?
02:28:35.000
His leg kicks are some of the best in the game.
02:28:40.000
And Gaethje will kick your leg from inside a tie-up, which is crazy.
02:28:47.000
He could throw those tight leg kicks from like grabbing inside.
02:28:51.000
He's got like an over-under on you and he fucking kicks your legs.
02:28:55.000
His highlight reel like is some of the best leg kicking I've ever seen in the lightweight division.
02:29:01.000
And he did it to Guys like Edson Barbosa lights his legs up.
02:29:06.000
I'm just saying though, there's a potential that Conor comes back, beats Charles Oliveira and becomes champion again.
02:29:11.000
Because that is, and then that's, I don't think I could deal with the world if that happened.
02:29:19.000
Ireland would have a fucking parade that would last a month long.
02:29:38.000
It's diminished a little bit because it happens.
02:29:41.000
Well, you know, again, it's one of the things that he said about the first Poirier knock when Poirier stopped him.
02:29:48.000
I wasn't, you know, I'm not ready for this yet.
02:29:50.000
Then he comes back, fights him a second time, and the second time gets fucked up with a broken leg.
02:29:56.000
So it's like, I don't know, you know, where he's at now mentally, but he's got so much fucking money.
02:30:03.000
He sold proper 12 and made like a half a billy.
02:30:20.000
You're doing it now because, listen, and you've got to respect this about him.
02:30:24.000
We don't have a good relationship, but you've got to respect this about him.
02:30:40.000
But you can't buy the UFC Championship of the world.
02:30:43.000
That's the only thing you can't buy, so he's got no choice to go and fight for it.
02:30:50.000
Buying yachts is a tricky way to live your life.
02:31:12.000
Yeah, I fucking take it out and we jet ski and we go tubing with my kids.
02:31:30.000
I have no desire to have either one of those things in my life.
02:31:39.000
Jeff Bezos' boat is so big they have to take apart a bridge to get it through.
02:31:45.000
I kind of want to see it, Jamie, though, if you could pull that up.
02:31:48.000
I believe they're building it in the Netherlands.
02:31:52.000
He's got one of the biggest super yachts, if not the biggest of all time.
02:31:55.000
It's so big, they have to dismantle a bridge to get it out of where they're building it.
02:32:08.000
I don't want to live that way, but if you're going to be a baller billionaire, Jeff Bezos is my idol.
02:32:33.000
A superyacht so big it'll require a bridge to be moved to get out to sea.
02:32:37.000
But why did, I mean, like that bridge has to come down.
02:32:48.000
I mean, do they know that he was going to be able to get the bridge taken down to build the yacht?
02:33:05.000
Do you see all these Russian guys are moving their yachts to the Maldives?
02:33:08.000
Because they don't have an extradition deal with the United States.
02:33:11.000
So all these Russian guys right now, because the United States are saying they're going to start repossessing these yachts.
02:33:27.000
It's the largest sailing yacht ever constructed, it says.
02:33:31.000
It's also the largest yacht of any kind produced in the Netherlands.
02:33:43.000
Pull up that picture of him with his girlfriend with the fucking glasses on.
02:33:48.000
If you're going to be a billionaire, this is how I want...
02:33:50.000
I don't want you to be like Warren Buffet where you're, oh, I just drink Coca-Cola and I still eat the same food.
02:33:57.000
Get jacked and get a fucking smoke show girlfriend.
02:34:04.000
Pull up the one where it's him with the glasses.
02:34:16.000
That's what a billionaire is supposed to look like.
02:34:19.000
That's what billions and billions of dollars is supposed to do for you.
02:34:40.000
He's got a smoke show girlfriend, but that was, by the way, he's dressed like that because he was at a party.
02:34:47.000
Everybody at the party was dressed like they were in Saturday Night Fever.
02:34:53.000
What's the point of having all that money if you're not going to enjoy yourself?
02:34:58.000
If you're going to be a billionaire, I want to live like Jeff Bezos.
02:35:30.000
I mean, what are we doing as a human race here if we don't even have a billion dollar boat?
02:35:45.000
He has one that costs reportedly over a billion.
02:35:53.000
It's cheaper than buying one that's already built.
02:35:59.000
Like, I don't want to wait for the thing to be built.
02:36:32.000
Get the fuck out of here with your little tugboat.
02:36:36.000
You would think that that would house like a hundred people.
02:36:45.000
Some of these guys, one of the guys, maybe it's this guy, has one that has anti-missile capabilities.
02:36:55.000
And then it also has a submarine where he can escape.
02:36:57.000
So if, like, Somali pirates are trying to, like, hijack him, he can just get in a submarine.
02:37:32.000
So this is the guy that's moving his shit to the Maldives.
02:37:35.000
They're all trying to not get confiscated right now.
02:37:37.000
So the United States and NATO moves in on all their assets.
02:37:40.000
Well, he's selling Chelsea Football Club, actually.
02:37:43.000
Is he thinking that's because of the same reason?
02:37:57.000
You could have an archery course underneath your boat.
02:38:06.000
So you and the wife could sail in from a different area.
02:38:17.000
But according to someone whose name rhymes with Dana White, he told me that those aren't even the richest people in the world.
02:38:25.000
The real richest people in the world are like the Saudi oil people.
02:38:32.000
Those royal family guys, he goes, they have trillions.
02:38:42.000
I watched a documentary on the Sultan of Brunei.
02:38:55.000
What he has in his house, well he has a palace, right?
02:39:02.000
So he brings in these gals from all over the world and pays them exorbitant amounts of money.
02:39:13.000
It's just him, and he's like, you and you, let's dance.
02:39:17.000
That sounds like a very expensive way of getting hookers.
02:39:20.000
That sounds like what Jeff Bezos is trying to do.
02:39:23.000
Sounds like what a guy with trillions of dollars does as well.
02:39:25.000
Yeah, when you want to take it to the next level.
02:39:28.000
You know, yeah, Jeff Bezos got a smoke show girlfriend in his giant yacht, but hey, I got my fucking disco.
02:39:34.000
And I fly in these gals from all over the world and pay them.
02:39:39.000
Yeah, and he would have this thing, and this lady, one of them, I think she was like a penthouse pet, she was writing a book about it, and she got caught, and they confiscated her laptop and sent her back home, and then she started doing interviews and giving up, and all these girls were mad, like, oh, you motherfucker, because they were getting paid to do this.
02:39:57.000
Indeed, the Sultan and his equally decadent brother, Prince Jeffrey, were dubbed constant companions in hedonism in 2011 by Vanity Fair.
02:40:07.000
He lives in a palace with 1,788 rooms, 257 bathrooms, five swimming pools, a mosque, a banquet hall that holds 5,000 people.
02:40:21.000
He's a 5,000-fucking-people banquet hall and a 110-car garage.
02:40:26.000
When he turned 50, the Sultan built a stadium, invited Michael Jackson to perform in it, and paid him $17 million for three concerts.
02:40:50.000
I'm out here partying at my giant banquet hall for 5,000 people.
02:41:08.000
A lot of people are like, why would he be busy?
02:41:17.000
Maybe he's got a lovely relationship with one of them.
02:41:32.000
How much do you think he spent a day for 10 years according to this article?
02:41:43.000
It's $747,000 a day for 10 years on top of $17 billion in gifts to friends and family.
02:42:26.000
Hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars a year just spending.
02:42:36.000
Do you not think that gets annoying, though, after a while?
02:42:52.000
But if I wasn't, like if I had a terrible wife, I had a terrible relationship, and all of a sudden I had billions of dollars, I might go whole hog.
02:43:25.000
Now I just got an Audi A6. Oh, those are great cars.
02:43:40.000
But when you get in a nice car, people say it doesn't make you happy.
02:44:00.000
And especially if you spend a lot of time in your car.
02:44:04.000
I mean if you're a person who likes those things, but for some people it's not cars.
02:44:23.000
And once that stress goes, then all of a sudden your life's a lot better.
02:44:26.000
So you're not buying happiness, but you're eradicating the stress and living the life that you want to live.
02:44:30.000
As opposed to being a slave to making ends meet.
02:44:34.000
When I was 25, I think, I got a development deal.
02:44:44.000
And at the time, that was the most amount of money I would have even heard of anybody getting.
02:44:49.000
And I remember, the moment it happened, it was like a weight lifted off of me.
02:44:56.000
Like, whatever weight was on my shoulders was gone.
02:44:58.000
Because I didn't have to wonder, how am I gonna pay my bills this month?
02:45:04.000
I'm on my own, out there hustling as a comedian.
02:45:07.000
And I remember that feeling was like a physical feeling of weight leaving my body.
02:45:13.000
And I remember thinking, oh, I'm never gonna forget this.
02:45:17.000
You gotta have to have a certain amount of cushion.
02:45:19.000
Because when you have a certain amount of cushion, you don't have to worry about your bills, it's a way better life.
02:45:25.000
That day-to-day grind, like, it's romantic that people are struggling.
02:45:32.000
It does give you a little motivation because you got to hustle.
02:45:39.000
I mean, my hustle, I mean, I'm always fucking working non-stop.
02:45:52.000
But the feeling you mentioned there, I remember like when I first got to the UFC because, you know, money was tight for us growing up.
02:45:58.000
And then I remember UFC 66, Chuck versus Tito 2, MGM Grand.
02:46:13.000
I've told the wrong person to go fuck themselves or something.
02:46:24.000
And I'd never seen that kind of money in my life, you know, and it was just unbelievable.
02:46:30.000
She was by herself in the nosebleeds, right up at the top of the stand.
02:46:34.000
And I ran out and I had my purse and I had some sponsorship money and I had a check for 80 grand off Dana.
02:46:41.000
People go, hey, you just fought, you know what I mean?
02:46:49.000
I was crying because it's like, it wasn't just about the money.
02:46:53.000
The money was fantastic, but it was that fact that this crazy plan of quitting work and becoming a professional fighter was paying off.
02:47:01.000
Because everyone said, there's no money to make in MMA. No one makes any money.
02:47:04.000
I remember when I quit work on this forum, Cage Warriors forum, they said, if anyone's getting into MMA for money, they've made the wrong choice.
02:47:20.000
It's such a risky endeavor to go from being a guy who's training to taking a couple of amateur fights to, you know, I know you had some kickboxing fights, and then to say, I am going all in on this profession.
02:47:34.000
You're counting on your tissue, your joints, your back, your knee, everything to hold up.
02:47:43.000
Because for me, I was just doing dead-end jobs one after the other, right?
02:47:48.000
Never held them down because the money was shit and there's plenty of other dead-end jobs, do you know what I mean?
02:47:52.000
Monday mornings were generally a no-show for me.
02:47:57.000
So when I quit work, for the first time in my life, I felt when I was training to be a fighter, I was living the life I was meant to be living.
02:48:11.000
Finally, because those sacrifices that I made, like I used to sleep in my car and stuff, didn't feel like sacrifices.
02:48:25.000
But I'm fucking off doing jujitsu, fucking doing this, going down to join my brawler or steamer, sleeping in my car, whatever.
02:48:30.000
It's like living this crazy adventure, if you will.
02:48:39.000
Now, for a lot of guys, that would be too nuts, too much, too much pressure.
02:48:44.000
And also, there's the expectation of the unknown.
02:48:54.000
Like, you have no idea whether it's going to work out.
02:49:00.000
Like we said before, people always ask about Callum, my son, fighting.
02:49:27.000
Ram your fucking knee right into the face and knock him unconscious if you can.
02:49:34.000
I don't think he's got that mean streak in him.
02:49:37.000
But the point I was saying is, what was the point?
02:49:45.000
You go in gyms all over the world and you train with someone, you're like, Wow, this guy's really good.
02:49:51.000
And then you find out he's crashing on a couch at his friend's house or sleeping in a car.
02:49:56.000
And they just can't put it together on fight day.
02:49:58.000
Can't deal with the nerves, the anxiety, whatever you want to call it.
02:50:04.000
And I think in most walks of life, I think it's probably the same in other sports.
02:50:09.000
There's people that on game day, they just can't perform.
02:50:12.000
And then there's other people that know how to keep it together when the shit hits the fan.
02:50:17.000
And it's one of the most important qualities in life, your ability to hold up under pressure.
02:50:28.000
He had no problem getting tapped out left, right, and center.
02:50:37.000
The fact that he's still out there doing it, too.
02:50:39.000
I mean, he's still fighting, which is kind of crazy.
02:50:42.000
Apparently, he's going to have a boxing match with Shannon Briggs.
02:50:50.000
They're always talking shit, and they do this thing.
02:50:57.000
You see what he did to Klitschko back in the day?
02:51:07.000
I mean, I don't see Vladimir Klitschko doing a prank.
02:51:20.000
He was a tough motherfucker, too, and still is.
02:51:30.000
And, you know, was real down the dumps until he started saying, let's go champ.
02:51:34.000
Like, he literally, like, reignited his passion for life by just saying to himself, Let's go, champ!
02:51:42.000
And he would just fly himself to these big boxing fights and just gatecrash the press conferences.
02:51:50.000
Yeah, there was him and Rampage at the Triller event recently.
02:51:53.000
I'm not sure what the involvement is, but they were side by side or squaring up.
02:52:01.000
But I think what they were gonna do is something crazy, like one round boxing, one round MMA. Is that what it was?
02:52:12.000
Do you know that Mighty Mouse is doing that at the end of March?
02:52:17.000
Yeah, that's a wild fight because the first round is Muay Thai and Rod Tang is like an elite Muay Thai guy.
02:52:24.000
I thought his first round was MMA. I don't believe so.
02:52:29.000
Because Rod Tang said he's going to finish him in the first round.
02:52:32.000
And he's never going to make it to the MMA portion of the fight.
02:52:37.000
When they're saying rounds, are they doing Muay Thai rounds, like three minutes?
02:52:47.000
I mean, either way, three or five is going to be hard to get through with Rad Tang.
02:52:52.000
But I thought it was MMA first, and I thought, oh, that's really smart of Mighty Mouse.
02:52:56.000
Because, of course, he's just going to take him down.
02:52:57.000
And Muay Thai fighter knows nothing of takedown defense or jujitsu.
02:53:01.000
And Mighty Mouse would just tap him out two minutes tops.
02:53:12.000
Two fighters will compete in a four-round battle of alternating rules.
02:53:15.000
Rounds one and three will be contested under the one super series Muay Thai rule set.
02:53:21.000
So rounds two and four will be contested under the global mixed martial arts rule set.
02:53:31.000
It's got to be five minutes, I would have thought.
02:53:33.000
I would think that for sure with the MMA rounds.
02:53:45.000
It's crazy by the time they get to be 20 and 150 fights.
02:54:11.000
And so the last time he lost was 2020 and that was to someone in Thailand.
02:54:19.000
Have you ever watched Muay Thai live in Thailand?
02:54:23.000
I lived in Thailand for about three months when I first started doing MMA. One of my fights, I was winning the fight and then in the last round I got my leg kicked to fuck in cage rage.
02:54:37.000
I still knocked the guy out fortunately, but I was limping around.
02:54:40.000
It wasn't looking good for a minute, so then my coach was like, right, you need to go to Thailand and get this shit under control.
02:54:48.000
It was called Sasri Papa, which is in a little suburb of Bangkok called Ramkampeng.
02:54:54.000
Nobody speaks English in Ramkampeng, let me tell you that.
02:55:06.000
Well, I went for two months the first time, and then the month the second time, I went on for a little bit.
02:55:15.000
I think any fighter that's realistically wants to do this for a living needs to go out there and live in Thailand for a while.
02:55:20.000
What is the difference about training in Thailand?
02:55:25.000
I mean, obviously, you know, it's great instruction, great training sessions and all the rest of it, but you're just living that life.
02:55:31.000
And then when you see what they go through, you know, and the limited opportunities that they have in their life, and they're literally fighting to be able to feed themselves, you know, you understand the blessed position that you're in.
02:55:43.000
But as a fighter, yeah, you come back just different.
02:55:48.000
Yeah, I mean, my Muay Thai was way better, but I just had a deeper understanding of the sports, of the people, of the culture of it, you know?
02:55:55.000
Living in a shitty hotel room with the cockroaches was...
02:56:03.000
Yeah, a lot of guys are going to various gyms in Thailand to do their camps now.
02:56:19.000
They got, what was it, AKA? AKA in Thailand, Mike Swift.
02:56:24.000
He just came down with cancer, is that correct?
02:56:28.000
Yeah, he beat cancer, he went through the chemo, and I think he feels great, and he's starting to put weight back on.
02:56:35.000
Somebody just mentioned a few days ago, they said, oh, did you hear Mike Sweets got cancer?
02:57:08.000
And he was upset because everybody was filming him.
02:57:12.000
Yeah, he was talking about how at All Star in Sweden, they don't let people film.
02:57:18.000
If it's filmed, it's all controlled, but they don't let people see his training, his sparring and everything like that.
02:57:23.000
Every time he said he would spar, there would be guys pull their phones out.
02:57:30.000
He said, the problem with Tiger Muay Thai was that there was a lot of the people that were there, were there for the experience.
02:57:45.000
They're going on these excursions with work or whatever.
02:57:59.000
And I understand Hamzat's problem there because it's so annoying.
02:58:03.000
Because you're going into a gym trying to work because you've got an important fight coming up and you've got these people dicking about.
02:58:09.000
They should be smart about that because you're going to discourage elite fighters like him from going down there.
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He doesn't want people to see everything that he's working on while he's in the middle of a training camp just because, you know...
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It's not even so much seeing what you're working on.
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You're just trying to focus and do the job at hand.
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It's already stressful enough and you've got to go in and, you know, it sounds like bloody...
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Taking pictures and stuff like that, it's not what you're going there for.
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And it's, of course, all fighters, they appreciate, just like you, you know, you appreciate the support and the people want a picture.
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But when you're training for a fight, you're going in there and you're tired.
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Some dude just standing there holding the camera in front of your face.
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The gym is supposed to be this place where you're with like-minded people all focused on one goal.
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It's invitation only, so you're not going to get bothered.
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And they have this beautiful gym and a lot of like John Donaher and those guys, his guys like Gordon Ryan, they're training out there.
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And Tim Kennedy does a lot of training there too, but it's the same thing, private gym.
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You're not on display, you're not performing the whole time.
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You're trying to get better, you're trying to work on something.
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Have you ever thought that that might be in the future?
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And if you're training somebody, that's got to be 100% all in on them.
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I just wouldn't be fair on whoever it was because I can't dedicate all my time to them.
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When that all dies down, you know, and no one's fucking interested or no one wants to hire me anymore or speak to me anymore or whatever, then yeah, I'll be trading people.
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I'd like to take a couple of little protégés under my wing and see where we go.
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I have no idea where life's going to take me, where I'm going to be in a few years.
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You know, learn a thing or two about mixed martial arts over the years, believe it or not.
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See, that was always my thing, you know, with a lot of coaches.
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You know, I would have a hard time sometimes listening to what they had to say because...
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I've been doing it way longer and a way higher level than you ever fucking dreamed of.
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But I'm talking about a guy that's fucking never stepped foot in a ring and they're gonna try and talk to me about the psychology of fighting and all the rest of it.
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When I met Jason Perillo that was great because he's the real deal.
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He's done a tremendous job for a lot of fighters.
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There's a lot of fakes, a lot of pretend, a lot of wannabes, you know what I mean?
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And they sometimes just get a really good athlete, and that person performs well, and then they try to hitch their buggy.
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And because that person is doing well in the UFC, that opens other doors for other fighters, and all of a sudden this guy supposedly, this great coach that's created all these great fighters.
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I know nothing about Greg Jackson's coaching ability, but that was a super camp where everyone just...
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Good talent was attracted to them, to that one spot.
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And all of a sudden you think, I want to go train and all of a sudden you've got champions galore.
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It's not necessarily because one guy in there has some secret that the world doesn't know.
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There's a few guys like Matt Hume, Farah Sahabi, Duke Rufus.
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There's a few of those guys that just have an understanding of the sport.
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Like, for me, with Jason, the best thing for me, he was a great coach, but it was this, working on the mind.
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Always too emotional, too worked up, too angry.
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Well, I used to go into every fight thinking if I was mad or angry, then that was the best way to be.
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Being angry, you might beat 95% of the people, but the true elite, you're going to get caught out.
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I remember I was doing jiu-jitsu with Brady Fink and it wasn't going my way.
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I was having a tough time and I snapped at him.
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And I remember Jason said, Mike, look, listen, you're fighting for the world title next week.
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All this work that you've done to get to this point, which, by the way, is a great place to be.
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Pay-per-view, main event at the Forum in Los Angeles.
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How about we fucking go through this with a smile on our face and enjoy this time?
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We can all argue and you can be a stressy asshole.
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That's like one of many, many different examples.
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Like I remember I pulled up outside the gym one day.
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There's about four or five guys in there, all killers, all waiting for you.
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He said, can you go in there and act like a fucking champion?
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They're all young up-and-coming fighters, no money, you know, just like you used to be.
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Go in there and fucking be a champion of the world.
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Don't fucking lose your temper or anything like that.
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Michael Bisping, I appreciate the fuck out of you.
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I'm looking forward to working with you this weekend for the first time.
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It goes, the UK and internationally from the 21st of March.
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If you go to Bisping Doc, it says available to rent and own on digital in the UK and internationally from the 21st of March.
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So you were doing that one with Lewis, with Lewis Gomez.
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He tones me down a little bit because I get a little crazy.
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Anthony's a little more level-headed, so he's good for me.