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00:01:25.000This doctor has unveiled a shocking connection between this pandemic and the eternal battle of good and evil which began in the Garden of Eden.
00:02:05.000Because I think when you pull things like this down from YouTube, it just makes the really nutty people think that there's an even grander conspiracy.
00:02:15.000Yeah, no, trying to fight it makes it seem like there might really be something there.
00:02:18.000Like, it doesn't need to be taken down.
00:02:20.000Especially this is just so ridiculous.
00:02:36.000Just outside of this, if you tried to make one of those infomercials from the 90s and say you had some fake product that could cure this, and you made a 45-minute version of that and put it on YouTube, would they allow that?
00:02:48.000As long as it's not about COVID. The thing is, like, they've cracked down so hard on anything that Is against the COVID narrative.
00:05:54.000That's kind of what I think, but I have no inside information, so I'm just speculating.
00:05:58.000Well, the amount of money that's in MMA now is so substantial, and a lot of these teams are backed by, like, really wealthy people, and they bring in fucking chemists.
00:06:53.000They pay good, but they just don't have the same kind of promo and attention.
00:06:57.000It's just, you know, some of these shows pay better than the UFC for most people, but they don't build the hype.
00:07:01.000So it sucks with fighters sometimes they're looking at, you know, Do I take a pay cut and go in the UFC and get less famous?
00:07:07.000I mean, I had to take a pay cut after I left Strikeforce, but I wanted to fight GSP. So it's like, I wouldn't have been happy with myself if I haven't got it.
00:07:14.000So it sucks to be in a situation to have to take a pay cut, but that's how it goes sometimes.
00:07:37.000He's a 15-0, it's an amateur all-submissions, like 15-1 is a pro, like 13-14 submissions, and like, no one really knows who he is.
00:07:43.000And he's fighting, he's been in a million dollar tournament, so he's getting paid well, but it just sucks that he's not getting the, for how good he is, he's not getting the recognition he deserves.
00:11:42.000Dude, Chuck, in the early days, before Chuck was a champion, when, you know, people were ducking him, it was hard for him to get fights, like when he fought Babalu, like, Chuck was a fucking monster.
00:11:53.000Damn, yeah, I was training with him that time period.
00:11:55.000He's the guy that introduced me to fighting, and man, what a savage.
00:12:05.000I mean, I look up to Chuck, because he's the guy that got me into the sport, so I always look up to him as, like, a mentor and a big brother, you know?
00:12:10.000Yeah, during the early days of MMA, I mean, he was the kill or P-killed guy.
00:12:17.000He's the guy that motivated me to take it for a career because he started making a little money, and I'm like, a little money, probably like 30k a fight, but I was so broke, I was like, oh man, maybe I can make some money with this sport, and just went after it.
00:12:30.000Yeah, that was such a crazy time, right?
00:12:34.000Because, like, Chuck fought Pele in Vale Tudo in Brazil when they had nets under the bottom rope.
00:13:06.000Yeah, they'd try to grab us, but then sometimes the other guys would take them down, they'd slide right out of the ring, and they'd restart you on the feet.
00:13:53.000Do you remember Keith Hackney and Joe Son?
00:13:57.000Joe Son, Keith Hackney was on the ground and Joe Son was hanging on to him and Keith Hackney was punching him in the nuts over and over and over again.
00:15:02.000I found out about it in 94. It was after the first UFC. I'd just moved to LA, and I watched the second UFC. I got it from a video store, like a Hollywood video or some shit.
00:15:14.000And I was like, oh my god, what is this?
00:15:17.000And then I found out that this was a thing that they were doing on a regular basis.
00:15:24.000So I saw it after it had already aired.
00:15:58.000I was going to school, but no idea what I wanted to study, so I caught fighting and just completely fell in love and got addicted and just couldn't help going for it and trying it.
00:16:08.000It's interesting because people have this idea of what kind of personality gets involved in fighting, but your personality is kind of the opposite.
00:16:19.000You're very friendly, real quiet, mostly vegetarian.
00:16:49.000If I was to eat it, I would do like you go hunting or something because the idea of like these factory farms are just, I don't know, if you watch any of those videos, just disgusting.
00:16:57.000That's why I became a hunter, because I watched those.
00:17:06.000Yeah, and a lot of my good friends have gotten into hunting, but it's kind of invited me, but I'm saying, I don't want to kill an animal still.
00:17:12.000Maybe I'll go out with them just for the backpacking experience, though.
00:17:23.000They have to be hunted, especially deer.
00:17:27.000When you're around here, around Texas, they're fucking everywhere, man.
00:17:30.000I mean, when I drive home at night, when I'm getting close to my house, I have to drive slow because these fuckers are jumping out in front of the car all over the place.
00:17:38.000Yeah, no, I mean, it kind of makes sense, but it's still, if I don't eat it to kill something, it would just feel wrong to me.
00:26:26.000I think it was the COVID lockdowns were just so extreme in San Francisco, and then the Black Lives Matter riots came, and they were letting people just loot and rob people.
00:26:54.000But if I like go like, so if I start, my audience I picked up, if I start talking crap on Trump or something, it'll get like no likes, no retweets.
00:27:18.000Like, half my fringe, you know, middle-class people spent years working their ass off, probably more than half of minorities, to build businesses up and just got their businesses crushed.
00:27:55.000And the woman he was talking to said, it's all about the optics.
00:27:59.000Imagine, you're going to close a fucking restaurant that's been struggling for a year.
00:28:03.000They finally get a little bit of money coming in.
00:28:06.000They're finally rehiring waitstaff, rehiring bar staff.
00:28:10.000Everybody's kind of getting back in work again.
00:28:13.000Oh, we're going to shut down outdoor dining.
00:28:16.000Yeah, I think a lot of people just don't realize the devastation it did to people.
00:28:18.000Maybe they have a tech job or they don't live in those towns.
00:28:22.000It's a completely different job where they can stay home and get paid, but they don't realize you're completely killing people's businesses that have spent years, sometimes their lifetime, to build and just kill it over that.
00:28:30.000Yeah, I think it's just the politicians.
00:28:32.000I think they don't care because I think they get paid no matter what and they feel oddly disconnected from the people, you know?
00:28:40.000Well, I think about $4 trillion went up to the top 1% during this, but I said about the same amount got lost from the middle class.
00:32:12.000Did you do the whole antibiotic course and everything?
00:32:16.000Yeah, like in Thailand if my leg blew up so big I think I would like died if I hadn't gone in.
00:32:20.000It was like yeah in the middle of the night I had like cold sweats and if I was making it through the night but you don't know how to like in Thailand it's not like you just call 911. How do you get antibiotics in Thailand?
00:34:48.000It's really interesting because it's not like it fucks with their timing.
00:34:52.000You know, it's like they fight so often that for them to spar and spar hard is ridiculous.
00:34:58.000Yeah, I think that's why they spar so light, because they fight so often, so they spar super light, so it makes sense.
00:35:04.000So if you don't fight all the time, you probably want to spar hard occasionally, but because they fight like every two weeks or something, they can go out there and just kind of touch each other when they spar.
00:35:12.000Even though shin pads sometimes will spar and just be kicking you, but not hard.
00:35:30.000So you don't flinch and you're not worried about the counters, you know?
00:35:33.000Yeah, the guys I train, I try to have them spar hard once a week, medium, and then have one time where it's just kind of play sparring where they're touching, moving, so they don't have to worry about getting hit.
00:37:03.000Yeah, I just lost motivation, and that's after, like, when I got hit in that one, I didn't have any desire to, like, get back up.
00:37:09.000On Henderson, you get dropped, it's like, I'm gonna get up, and I'm gonna win this fight, you know?
00:37:13.000But when I realized I lost that desire, it's like, wait, why am I here doing this still?
00:37:18.000Yeah, that's a dangerous thing for a fighter, right?
00:37:20.000When you stop having that kind of enthusiasm that got you into fighting in the first place.
00:37:25.000It's such an intense sport, you have to have 100% enthusiasm and motivation to do it, but the problem is a lot of times guys start making money later in their careers, and that's the same time they're losing motivation, but then they're finally making the good paydays, so it's tricky.
00:37:44.000It's like, you know, like I said, they don't have the same hype as UFC, so that sucks, but they treated me good, you know, they pay well.
00:37:49.000How are they affording to do what they're doing?
00:37:52.000Good question, because it's a great show for the up-and-comers, because you can go and make a million dollars in, like, what, three, four fights?
00:38:22.000Do they still do that weird thing where they have points and you get a certain amount of points for finishing and it moves you further ahead?
00:38:33.000That's how they score the bracket, because they have two matches, and the point system is who you fight next.
00:38:45.000I try to explain it to somebody, and they were like, what?
00:38:48.000I was like, yeah, I think you get points if you win in the first round, if it goes to a decision, if it's a split decision, maybe you get less points.
00:39:02.000When you're at that stage where you're not fighting anymore, and that's for someone who's fought since 99, that's a complicated stage in your life where you're sort of like...
00:39:14.000You have to be all in to be a fighter, and then you realize at a certain point in time that you're not anymore.
00:39:29.000All I know is I get a fight, and then I... Train my ass off for like 10 weeks, fight, take a week off, party, back to the gym and try to schedule another fight.
00:42:16.000Well, back in the day, you know, marijuana was a real problem, because guys would be like six weeks out, and they would be their last smoke, and then they would still test positive, you know?
00:42:27.000Especially when you're cutting a lot of weight, and you're, you know, deleting all that fat from your body, and for whatever reason, a lot of guys were testing positive that were like...
00:42:38.000And so people were trying like seven, eight, nine, ten weeks out.
00:42:46.000I don't think, like, smoking six weeks out or five weeks out, I think if you were high while you're fighting, then you're making an argument that it might be helping.
00:42:55.000Yeah, I mean, to me, I don't think it's ever been banned, but I don't think it helped me when I was high.
00:42:59.000I think what Nick Diaz may have fought high during what was the Gomi fight.
00:44:31.000I'm going to have to go back and watch the whole fight and score it and see what people think because there's a lot of people that think that was a bullshit decision.
00:44:38.000Yeah, I've heard it was all over the place.
00:44:40.000I have some friends who are training with AJ, so he's obviously biased, but he said it was a close fight.
00:45:06.000Listen, when Sterling takes your back and has your back for the entire fucking round and comes really close to getting chokes in and is punching you the entire round, complete back control, when is that a 10-8?
00:46:08.000I just think because the way the last one went, a lot of people don't really like him, but I have him.
00:46:11.000He trains at Couture where I'm training people, so I have him spar the 35-pounders I train all the time, and he's definitely the real deal.
00:47:26.000His ground game's complete, his takedowns, his trips, his striking game is off the charts, and everybody was like, look, this guy's a fucking terror.
00:49:37.000Gary Tonin, when he made the jump from just straight grappling to MMA, he was like the thrill of going out there and knowing that you're putting it all on the line and that you can get yourself knocked out.
00:49:52.000Millions of people might be watching you.
00:49:54.000If you want to get like knocked out, you know, covered in blood in front of all your friends, fans, it's a lot of stress going in there.
00:50:00.000So after going back to grapple that, it's funny when you see people nervous at grappling shows, you're like, yeah, try fighting in front of 60,000 people in Toronto.
00:50:17.000And it was so big that there was a hotel inside of the arena, and so people in their hotel rooms were looking out their windows watching the fights.
00:52:15.000I remember like, I don't know, six months ago, I went and looked through it, and I was looking for the guys that fought, and I'm like, holy crap, I didn't get like, I don't think I fought anyone, like the worst guy I fought would be like 16-3 or something.
00:52:58.000Nothing will match it, but it's like you get that same adrenaline because I come so close to these guys in training.
00:53:03.000So you have your business with your clothing line.
00:53:06.000Do you think you'll ever open up a gym?
00:53:08.000I was thinking about it, but it's a lot of work to run a gym.
00:53:12.000It's not a ton of money for having to sit around.
00:53:15.000I would do it, but I would have to have a good partner and other people that help me teach because I enjoy teaching, but I'm not like John Donahue.
00:53:36.000I was like, good luck finding another one of those.
00:53:39.000You got a guy who is a philosophy professor from Columbia who falls in love with jiu-jitsu to the point where he lives in the gym, sleeps on the mats, trains all day, and...
00:53:51.000He's not self-obsessed because he's injured like like he for people don't know John Donaher has like serious injuries like he had his hip replaced I think he's gonna have his knee replaced it's just not sure when yeah and a lot of that is from rugby before he ever did jujitsu yeah oh yeah I was training in New York when he had the hip replacement and the knee and he was just an absolute pain you could tell but he's a stoic guy he would you know limp in with a cane and He couldn't show the matches,
00:54:18.000so he would, like, sit there and point with, like, a staff.
00:54:21.000He would make, like, Gary show the moves.
00:54:23.000And then there was a couple-month period, I think, where he was going through the pain where sometimes he would just go off on Gary.
00:54:33.000It's just very rare to get someone of that intellectual, that high-level intellectual capacity that gets obsessed with jiu-jitsu and martial arts in general.
00:54:42.000Like, when I found out that he was Gary Tonin's striking coach as well as his jiu-jitsu coach, I was like, holy fuck, that's insane.
00:54:49.000Yeah, when I started talking to him about striking one day, I was in shock.
00:54:52.000He was showing me different boxers and kickboxers and showing their offense, their defense.
00:54:56.000You're like, wow, this guy is like an encyclopedia.
00:55:26.000I mean, other than him, you've got, like, Faras Ahabi, who's also a brilliant guy, who's also fascinated with the sport and can give you a lot of feedback and can name a lot of different styles of striking in Jiu-Jitsu, but...
00:56:41.000I visit Austin a lot regardless, but now I have an excuse to come out and train with him and Gordon and Gary, just the best jiu-jitsu guys.
00:56:48.000Were you training with them in Puerto Rico at all?
00:58:09.000There are people that are just, they have amazing, and then they'll have a background in something else, like maybe gymnastics or some other explosive sport, and it translates very easily to MMA or Jiu-Jitsu.
00:58:22.000Yeah, no, those guys just, they picked it up so quick.
00:58:24.000Nicky Rod, I think he'd been training in a year when he took second in Abu Dhabi.
00:58:43.000As Marcelo Garcia was talking about that, he was saying the difference between gi and no gi is that you're Athletic ability has so much more of an impact on no gi.
00:58:53.000Yeah, I think that's why a lot of older people and stuff prefer the gi.
00:59:28.000But what I would do is just do no-gi techniques with the gi.
00:59:33.000So I use the gi defensively because it made me watch my P's and Q's and make sure anybody doesn't get a deep grab on my collar or something like that.
00:59:42.000As far as, like, the techniques that I use, other than very rarely I will pull out, like, a clock choke or something like that, most of the time I'm using no-gi techniques with a gi.
00:59:52.000Yeah, whenever I put a gi on, it's 100% no-gi techniques.
00:59:56.000The crazy thing is I went and, when I was a purple belt, I was back when the Brazilians were like, you're not really a purple belt, so I went and threw it on for, like, one week and went and won it.
01:00:36.000It made zero sense, but people were adamant about it.
01:00:39.000But it's like one of those things where people who did the gi were so good at it, and they were so technical, and there were so many grips and so many things that they could do with the gi that they couldn't do with no gi.
01:00:53.000And they would get frustrated because they would roll no gi.
01:00:55.000So they would say, no, you want to learn real jiu-jitsu, you've got to put the gi on.
01:00:59.000I would talk to MMA fighters, and I'd go, how's training?
01:01:22.000I was trying to learn jujitsu for fighting, not some stuff where I'm upside down or someone could elbow me in the face or that weird jujitsu game.
01:01:29.000Oh, there's some weird jujitsu games out there now.
01:01:32.000There's, like, so many elaborate and exotic techniques that guys...
01:01:36.000Like, I have so many saved that I find on Instagram, and I save them to go back and watch.
01:02:08.000But then again, there's certain things that you would never do on the street, but you can't deny the effectiveness of an Imanari roll to inside control and a heel hook, right?
01:04:19.000When you lift weights, you use anything for your neck.
01:04:21.000It's a hard thing to work, but it's one of the most important, you know, for fighting, it's one of the most important things you use.
01:04:25.000Did you ever get bulging discs or anything in the neck?
01:04:28.000I think I have a couple bulging discs in my neck.
01:04:30.000I got a, um, X-ray like I don't know probably 15 years ago and the doctor's just like oh you need to find a new career you're not gonna you could never fight again and I wasn't too happy I walked out of the office and I was tempted like later to send them winning world title fights maybe you need to reconsider a new career I remember you and I talking about this backstage because you had hurt your back and they basically just told you to quit Yeah.
01:04:53.000And you know, that last couple years of my fighting, I did have a lot of lower back injuries.
01:04:57.000But I was able to fix that actually by doing really light deadlifts.
01:05:01.000I was always scared to deadlift because I threw it out deadlifting.
01:05:04.000But a guy talked me into, I mean, I literally would start with like 15 pounds on there.
01:05:07.000And now I still only usually put like 135 and just do reps of 20. And it's had no back problems since.
01:05:12.000Well, that is a big issue with people's backs is just that they don't strengthen it enough.
01:05:18.000And they don't strengthen it correctly and safely.
01:05:31.000Within a couple weeks, a lot of times, too.
01:05:32.000Well, you know, you've got to think, all that muscle around, like, when you think about a deadlift, just the actual act of it, it's one of the best exercises ever for full body strength, right?
01:05:42.000And if you do it with a light weight, it makes sense that it would strengthen all that core stabilizing muscles, all the muscles attached to your lower back.
01:05:51.000What happens is a lot of guys try deadlifting with extremely heavy weight and they throw their backs out so they get scared to do deadlifts.
01:05:57.000You have to really learn the technique and form before you go heavy.
01:06:00.000Yeah, but even, you know, Robert Oberst, you know who he is?
01:12:00.000Like, there's people that are a little good late night talk show host, they're great at bringing in the band, and alright, we'll be right back.
01:14:50.000Do you know those people who say you should wear a mask, used to say you shouldn't wear a mask, and now again say you don't need to wear a mask?
01:15:50.000You know, they're talking about children's development and the children who grew up during this that, like, There's a large uptick in speech therapists, where their speech therapists are having to treat kids, where young kids...
01:16:05.000Well, imagine kids trying to look through the mask and figure out what you're saying.
01:16:20.000It's brutal when you're trying to talk to someone in a crowded restaurant or something like that, and someone's talking to you and you really have to struggle to listen to what they're saying.
01:16:29.000Because they're talking like a normal way.
01:16:32.000And you're like, I don't know what the fuck you're saying.
01:16:34.000I'm trying to, like, get through this with you.
01:16:46.000It's a weird time, but one of the things we were talking about before the podcast, it's so true, is the difference between different kinds of communities, the way they handled it, and the community of fighters and jiu-jitsu people.
01:16:59.000Yeah, I was so fortunate to be in the best possible community because all my friends, I mean, some of the guys stopped training for a couple weeks, but they were right back at it and just kind of, eh, we're going to get it.
01:17:35.000Stayed home for a couple of days and I was fine, but I guess that must have been COVID. Well, do you take any supplements, or is your diet just sufficient enough to...
01:17:43.000I think my diet, I mean, I probably should, but I think my diet and just working out, low-stress living, you know, not having a boss, being able to do what I want, I think makes me healthy.
01:23:11.000It's like the fact that they didn't escort him out of there immediately and arrest him, the fact that they let him give a fucking speech and win an award afterwards shows you how fucked that world is.
01:23:24.000There's not another industry in the world.
01:25:28.000You know, there was a lot of weird shit that happened when Trump became president where people got super polarized.
01:25:36.000And there was so many people that got like really ramped up about politics and really ramped up about the kind of us versus them dynamic that I hate the most about politics, about parties,
01:26:34.000Yeah, I lived in San Francisco from age 7 to 11, and that was like a very formative time of my life, and I always considered myself liberal.
01:26:45.000My parents were hippies, so I always grew up as a liberal, but not anymore.
01:26:49.000Yeah, well, it's like, there's a difference between what liberal meant then and what it includes now.
01:26:55.000It includes now, like, a lot of stuff that it didn't, like, it includes now People that want military action and includes now people that want censorship and includes now people that are intolerant for other to other people's ideas and people that like think it's fine to insult people and to be like really aggressive and shitty to people online and physically attack you Yes.
01:27:30.000It's like then the Antifa, those people got tolerated by people on the left and they thought of them almost as like they're the thug branch of the left.
01:27:45.000And because people were so upset that Trump was president, they kind of tolerated a lot of this, and I don't think they would have tolerated in a more rational, sane time.
01:27:54.000Yeah, no, I had friends that were sticking up front of Tifa, and that definitely bothered me.
01:27:57.000I mean, I wasn't going to start yelling at them, but I was trying to explain these people aren't the good guys.
01:28:00.000I've been at places where they're physically attacking people and had to fight them.
01:28:03.000They attacked me, called me a Nazi, but then I beat a couple of them up, and they're like, oh, never mind.
01:29:07.000Well, that was the whole thing with the Proud Boys.
01:29:10.000That was the original idea that Proud Boys was kind of a joke.
01:29:15.000And then once he got a bunch of guys to join up, He was talking about it on my podcast, and he was saying, like, we're going to go out and punch these Antifa people.
01:29:25.000I was like, oh, this doesn't sound like a good idea.
01:29:29.000Whenever you have, like, a gang, you're creating a gang to go fight this other gang, like, I get the idea that this Antifa thing is a problem, but the solution...
01:32:06.000They're trying to sit outside and have brunch like you got to realize that those places don't have any security There's a crazy video that Kolyon Noir do you know he has the he's a he's a lawyer who's also a Second Amendment advocate and Like a really good one.
01:32:23.000I think I may have seen a few minutes of him on your show.
01:32:26.000Yeah, he's been on my show a couple times and Very very good guy to talk to about all things gun related and all things like Problem in crime really cuz he's very rational about it.
01:32:36.000He's a lawyer, but he sent this video We put up this video of these gang members who are leaving LA cuz it's too dangerous Too dangerous for the gang members Wow And I was like, what?
01:32:48.000And I sent this to a bunch of friends, because the guy who was a former gang member, who was a very well-respected guy in that community, was talking about how he's got to get the fuck out of LA, because all these people are going to get let out of jail, and as bad as it is now...
01:33:03.000He goes like, it's bad now, but it's going to get worse.
01:33:06.000He's like, I'm getting the fuck out of here.
01:33:07.000Yeah, they're letting people out of jail that don't belong out of jail.
01:33:09.000Like I saw yesterday, a guy shot 10 people in, I think it was South Carolina, out in $25,000 bail.
01:35:29.000But those guys that owned Fedor's contract, Fuck, man!
01:35:34.000If they had just made that fucking fight, if they had just brought him over, but they wanted a ton of money and they wanted to be part of the promotion, it's like, they knew that Fedor was a legitimate superstar.
01:35:44.000And so they, like, in terms of, like, maximizing his amount of money that he can make, It was in their best interest, but they were trying to maximize the money.
01:35:58.000So then they took him over to Strikeforce.
01:36:04.000Who's another guy that, if you want to talk about greatest heavyweights of all time, in my opinion, Fabricio Verdum has to be in the conversation.
01:40:09.000And when he thinks that someone doubts him or that you don't understand how strong he can be, you don't understand how strong his mind can be, If you want to get in a race to the death with that guy...
01:40:39.000Like, you know, like, they used to have duels, so if a duel was, like, two guys would agree.
01:40:43.000Like, I fucking, you annoy me so much, I'm gonna get a gun, and we're gonna, back to back, we're gonna walk ten feet and shoot at each other.
01:40:52.000Like, you're ready to die, maybe you'll shoot me, but I'm gonna fucking at least be able to shoot you like a man, and we're gonna go and do this.
01:42:46.000May 30th, 1806, future President Andrew Jackson kills a man who accused him of cheating on a horse race bet and then insulted his wife, Rachel.
01:43:43.000But Jackson didn't settle a score in 140 characters or less.
01:43:46.000He challenged his foes to duels, more than a hundred of them.
01:43:50.000One opponent even died, so he only killed one guy.
01:43:53.000But that was a guy who insulted his wife.
01:43:55.000However, for the most part, people would stand and fire their gun in the air, purposefully miss their opponent, making the duel more about a test of courage when one's honor was at stake or their reputation was threatened.
01:50:04.000The amount of time, basically, because it's 1542 is when Cabeza de Vaca came through.
01:50:08.000So, like, take 1776, reverse back the same amount of time from here, from now to 1776, and that was, like, the first person across North America, to the Atlantic to get over here.
01:50:20.000And now look at this country, like, just how crazy it is, how big, how massive, the massive cities, like, how fast things change.
01:50:27.000Imagine if you could show that to someone who was like a Native American tribal leader in like 1820, who was just like conquering the plains, like some Comanche tribal chief who had conquered this area.
01:51:54.000Somebody put up a funny meme of the difference between the way people look at Elon and people look at other people that propose terrible ideas.
01:53:56.000If you're talking about earphones, if you're doing commentary and someone's talking while you're talking, It fucks you up.
01:54:02.000Have you ever tried one of those apps where it recreates that, where you try to tell someone something, and you have headphones in, and it jarbles your speech?
01:54:43.000I mean, there's so many people that are thinking there's too much already and, you know, we're on the precipice of something like a neural link.
01:54:51.000There's so many people that are like, I need a flip phone.
01:54:54.000So many people that are like, I need to disconnect.
01:54:56.000And the metaverse and the, yeah, it's weird.
01:54:57.000I hope never live in the metaverse, but unfortunately it might be the future.
01:55:15.000If, like, the problem with biological tissue is it gets damaged, it doesn't heal right, and then your knees are fucked, your back's fucked, your brain's fucked, but if there was none of that, but all of the sensation I mean, yeah, it'd be pretty cool.
01:56:15.000Yeah, we'll probably be hiding out in Montana trying to resist it.
01:56:18.000I'm worried that what's going to happen is some people are going to control aspects of the metaverse the same way people control social media sites and enforce their own standards, especially when those standards are very biased towards one political party or one ideological.
01:56:37.000Which, yeah, like Twitter and Facebook, yeah, censorship.
01:56:40.000If that happens in the metaverse, what if that's how it is in the metaverse?
01:56:44.000What if they dictate very specific styles of life and the way you want to live?
01:56:59.000Yeah, I never even thought about this, but you're probably right.
01:57:01.000The same people that are doing that are the same ones running Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, on the side of what you can talk about.
01:57:06.000They could literally be the masters of the world.
01:57:09.000If you're in control of an actual metaverse, so if they create a virtual reality that is amazing, maybe even more vivid than this reality that we're currently experiencing, but they have absolute control over it.
01:57:47.000And I think this virtual reality world that people are inevitably going to enter, because what's going to happen is they're going to make a version that's simple and easy to use, and it's going to be better than real life.
01:58:59.000But you have this, you know, fucking 86 terabyte video connection that's allowing you to, you know, the bandwidth is insanity and the processing power is insanity.
01:59:11.000It's indistinguishable from real life.
01:59:44.000So it's like, if you wanted to be that guy, and you could be that guy in The Matrix, or you could be Captain fucking Schlub in the real world where nobody likes you.
01:59:56.000But that's what's gonna be weird, is like when anybody can be Nick Rodriguez, or anybody can be The Rock, or anybody, you know, anybody can be- Anyone can be you.
02:00:04.000Yeah, anybody can be a person that they wish they were.
02:00:09.000That's when things are gonna get very strange, because if they can give you a life, if you can be Indiana fuckin' Jones, And you could literally be in the Temple of Doom, stealing the crystal skull or whatever.
02:01:23.000MySpace, you're like, wait, I could just go meet random girls on here?
02:01:25.000The way that was set up and the way people lived then, we didn't live like, boy, I can't wait until the internet is on my phone at high speed and I can take 4K video and I can upload it to Snapchat.
02:01:47.000Where people are like legitimately addicted to checking their likes on Instagram and reading Facebook comments and writing things and going back and forth with each other and not even in the real world.
02:04:40.000It's insane because no one's gonna stop doing that.
02:04:41.000Yeah, I used to be major pro, like all drugs should be legalized, but after seeing that I'm like, okay, there has to be something where there's like forced rehab.
02:04:48.000Well, the thing is like, I don't think any adult should be able to tell you what you can and can't do.
02:05:27.000Yeah, I think most drugs, a lot of people can use recreationally and be fine, but there's just, when you see fentanyl and meth, you're like, okay, those two people don't seem to be able to use recreational.
02:05:35.000Yeah, there's not a lot of meth advocates.
02:06:27.000As I look this up, I feel like we have to grain of salt maybe because I remember seeing all the DEA pictures of weed and they're like, this is $17 million worth of street weed.
02:10:05.000If you're using fentanyl and you're keeping your life together, then yeah, it shouldn't force you to rehab, which there are functional heroin addicts and whatnot.
02:10:13.000There's definitely functional heroin addicts, but are there functional fentanyl heads?
02:11:37.000Yeah, just do the opposite of San Francisco is doing.
02:11:39.000Austin's ran pretty smooth for a liberal city.
02:11:43.000Well, they definitely cleaned it up when they got rid of the outdoor camping and they've made it a place where they've put a considerable amount of effort into housing homeless people and getting them sheltered and getting them taken care of and getting them counseling.
02:12:17.000Not in years, luckily, but it was terrible before.
02:12:20.000I haven't been to it since the Fear Factor days.
02:12:23.000I was filming Fear Factor down there, but I have friends that have been recently, and they say, you can't even imagine what it looks like now.
02:12:31.000Have you been to Venice Beach in the last couple years?
02:12:32.000I haven't, but I've been watching videos.
02:16:10.000No, there's a shitload of money being spent on it.
02:16:13.000But there's no incentive to fix it because there's all these people that are working on the homeless problem that are making six figures plus.
02:17:12.000Yeah, it really is turning into a big business in San Francisco and LA and these places, and that's the problem.
02:17:18.000I don't know how they fix it at this point.
02:17:20.000And I think the amount of time that it took from 2016 to 22, how bad it went in six years, how many years does it take for it to get better?
02:17:29.000You would need a hardliner like Rudy Giuliani there, but San Francisco probably wouldn't put something like that in.
02:17:36.000Someone just hardline with a hardline police force, a DA, they'd have to all be working together, and then they could clean it up quick, but that's the only solution.
02:18:46.000I think you need to put, like, lots of money in those, like, high-crime areas for education, after-school programs, stuff like that, and more funding the police, not less.
02:18:55.000Have the police come in and do boxing programs with the kids.
02:18:58.000I did a program in San Francisco for a minute with my friend Tarek.
02:19:02.000He set it up where it was like he would get the kids to play, like, football and sports, and he'd bring the cops in To interact with the kids in the bad communities.
02:19:10.000And the kids and cops, we did it with them.
02:19:13.000They'd be playing along, playing football, getting along, things like that.
02:19:16.000You're like, oh, this is what can actually help.
02:19:30.000But if that's what anybody wants to do, yeah, that's a great idea.
02:19:36.000Yeah, I think more of this stuff could definitely help.
02:19:38.000Get kids when they're young in the right direction.
02:19:40.000Because sometimes kids just need a little push to do something they love.
02:19:43.000Can you imagine, though, that if you put people in charge of cleaning up a community, but that was a job.
02:19:48.000The job was the community has to be cleaned up, not the community's clean.
02:19:52.000So the incentive would be for them to not totally fix it, but keep it, we're doing better, we're making progress, but never really tighten it down, because then you'd be out of work again.
02:20:05.000It's like the same thing as a homeless czar.
02:20:07.000Have it where you get a big bonus if you complete your job.
02:22:49.000What's the cost of the homeless problem?
02:22:52.000So it'll be more than what they put, because also the chased away tourists, the damage is done to place, so you won't really be able to quantify the exact cost, but just what they put in is probably a few hundred million.
02:24:36.000This article from last year says, the tab needed to solve the most persistent problem, a one-time investment of $9.3 billion, according to this new report.
02:25:43.000This is me making new parking lots for them to park in and stuff like that.
02:25:47.000Yeah, but it says increasing safe parking sites for those living in vehicles and upping the investment into mental health and substantive drug abuse programs.
02:25:57.000So they're saying safe places for people to live in their car to park.
02:26:01.000But how many of them live in their car?
02:26:45.000Because if you are that person and you travel around like Tom Green and you're with your dog and you take photos and you post it online, I don't see anything wrong with that.
02:26:56.000I mean, to the extent where Elon gets shit for, like, I don't have a house.
02:27:26.000Yeah, you can park on some streets, but some streets don't allow overnight parking, so a lot of times they go to 24-hour grocery stores and they park in those parking lots.
02:27:34.000You see them there sometimes, and sometimes they kick them out of those places.
02:29:22.000The Tenderloin was always a sketchy place, but did it get way sketchier during COVID? Well, more of what happened is, yeah, it got a little sketchier there, but just the Tenderloin area basically sprawled across the whole city.
02:29:33.000Because before, when was the last time you were in San Francisco?
02:32:12.000For his last fight, obviously, he wasn't in the best situation mentally and stuff, so I would like to see him fight again, but I'd like to see him do a proper camp, so...
02:33:34.000He's a very important part of the history of MMA. And if people don't realize what a big party is, you need to watch him in the Strikeforce days.
02:33:45.000Because when he was a Strikeforce champion, watch the Frank Shamrock fight.
02:34:50.000Drop came back up and just overwhelmed him.
02:34:52.000But even when he got dropped, he's like moving around on the ground, avoiding the ground pound, gets back up, and he talks so much shit to guys.
02:36:08.000I mean, that was what was a really interesting time about MMA, where there was Vali Tudo Japan, right, in the 90s, and then there was Pride, there was Shudo, Deep, K1. There was a lot of shit going on over there.
02:38:30.000And they were having those events pretty often.
02:38:32.000You know, the interesting thing about Pride, too, is they were having events where you wouldn't even know who was fighting until like a week or two weeks before.
02:39:22.000It was like, which one's better was the debate.
02:39:23.000I think it's the worst knockout I've ever seen in my life.
02:39:26.000If you think about bad knockouts, you think about like head kicks, and you think about like punches, but I think the worst knockout I ever saw was Rampage slams Ricardo Arona.
02:39:36.000Did Rowan ever really recover from that in his career?
02:39:49.000He's in the triangle, but he slams him and then headbutts him inadvertently on the way down and then punches him in the face a couple of times.
02:39:56.000But it's the slam itself, the amount of fucking torque.
02:42:13.000Because this is probably like, I want to say this, like 2004 or 2005. He beats the shit out of him and then knees him in the head and soccer kicks him.
02:47:17.000It's hard, you know, especially if you don't want much else going on, or maybe you go and blew all your money, you weren't smart with it, you didn't need money again, you didn't love fighting, it's like, ah, might as well do it.
02:51:15.000These guys afterwards would be like, oh man, it's just so good with Gordon.
02:51:18.000And I tapped the dude like eight times.
02:51:20.000So I'm like, hmm, Gordon didn't tap you, huh?
02:51:24.000Well, it's a thing where they're also exercising their brain because you're controlling your ego, and you're controlling this desire that you have to shut everything down and show this person they can't do anything to you.
02:51:37.000You're allowing them to have a certain amount of success, and even maybe they could be delusional a little bit about it.
02:51:43.000Yeah, I think that's really hard for athletes to do that.
02:51:46.000That's why I try to get my guys to some days, like, hey, don't worry about it.
02:51:49.000Let guys put you in bad positions, but it's hard because we're so competitive.
02:51:52.000We just want to grind and always win everything.
02:54:01.000But when he fought Anthony Hernandez, it's interesting because I think cutting the amount of weight that that guy cuts really fucks your endurance.
02:54:11.000Yeah, because that guy went and he ended up tapping him too, right?
02:58:18.000I think a lot of these guys, what they'll do, they'll train, like, or they'll do a light one, like, right before they eat, but not too heavy because they're dehydrated.
02:58:25.000Then they'll go, right when it gets dark, eat, and then they'll digest a couple hours, then go do, like, a hard one.
02:58:31.000Some guys are saying they train at like midnight, train to like 2 or 3, go and sleep as long as you can during the day, so less time to fast.
02:58:53.000A lot of times we would train late in the day or at least he was going to spar me.
02:58:56.000That way he could drink after or not too long after.
02:58:59.000Well, I think they were very clever about that with certain fighters where if they're observing Ramadan, they don't give them big fights during April.
02:59:08.000Yeah, most of those guys, they know not to book.
02:59:10.000Yeah, but I mean, for Balal, kudos to him for accepting a giant fight against a guy who knocked him out in the first encounter to a rematch.
03:02:58.000How much different do you think the sport would be if there was no weight cutting?
03:03:02.000It would be great, because sometimes you gas out from weight cutting, but it's like the most unfortunate part of fighting, because you have to.
03:03:09.000It would be better for their brains, too.
03:03:25.000See, when you make steroids illegal, you bring in USADA, you bring in the fucking water people, and they make sure that you have water in your body.
03:04:47.000But if there's a way to say to a guy, well, Adesanya, I guarantee you, does not get much heavier than 85. I mean, if he gets 200, I'd be shocked.
03:04:59.000Yeah, because didn't he weigh in super light?
03:06:22.000Sometimes the weight cut's worse than the fight.
03:06:24.000If it's a bad weight cut, and then sometimes with your training partners, you're trying to get the weight off, and you're like, oh man, this is...
03:06:41.000Do you think it's possible to stop it, though?
03:06:43.000Do you think it'll always be a part of the sport?
03:06:44.000I don't think it's possible to stop it.
03:06:45.000I love what you're saying and the idea, but I think how much money and how much effort and how much rules that would be to make that happen.