In this episode, we talk about doping in the sport of mixed martial arts. We talk about what it's like to be a cheater, how to deal with it, and why it's a problem. We also talk about the dangers of using performance enhancing drugs like testosterone and other performance enhancing agents. We also get into a little bit about my own experience with doping and how I dealt with it growing up in a small town in the late 90's and early 00's. We talk a little about my experience with it and how it affected my life. And of course, we have a story about how I got into the whole doping game in the game. Thanks for listening to the podcast and stay tuned for more episodes coming soon! -The Guys Who Know Best Podcast is a production of Native Creative Podcasts. Please Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts and leave us your thoughts/opinions on any of the topics you'd like us to talk about. We'll be looking out for the next episode next week. Thank you so much for all the support, stay tuned! -Your continued support is so appreciated. - The Guys Who Knows Best Podcasts Crew. Thank you for all of the support and support, we really appreciate it. XOXO - P.S. -P.O.A.R.E. (P.M.T. (PSA) -PODCAST (Thank you for the support! ) - Thank you, P.C. ( ) and P.J. ( ) ( ) Thank you all of your support is greatly appreciated! -PJ ( ) - PSA ( ) & P.M ( ) . (PTS ( ) and PSA (A.S (PJ) (S.A ( ) , P. ( ), P.B. ( ) (POTD ( ) AND P.V. ( ). P.Y. (A) ( )( ) ( & PODCAST ( ) THANK YOU ( ) :P ( ) ! (COT (POD ( ) P. P.I. (?) .POTY ( ) ) . , POTY( ) ( ( . ) ( ), ) & KOT ( ) ? ( ) = P. BOTY PRODCAST PROD )
00:00:29.000It's like if you have an athlete, and the athlete has to rest and recover, and you're waking them up at 5.30 in the morning, you break their sleep cycle, you're affecting their training.
00:00:46.000It's, oh, well, I don't know, because I'm not them, but, you know, I think some people, fighters feel like, oh, it's their, oh, we're going to catch them.
00:00:55.000It's 5.30 in the morning, we're going to catch them before they do anything, which is...
00:00:58.000Well, Ali was saying that it's EPO, that it's, like, short-lasting, so if people take it, and they take it at night, it'll be out of their system by the time USADA shows up.
00:01:07.000If they show up at 9 a.m., then, you know...
00:05:47.000For me, I wanted to get catch up to everybody and I wanted to exceed everybody So this was my time the summer that that was my time for me to catch up so my dumbass I go back the next day.
00:06:00.000I go to school and Back to the school and I go in and I go drill.
00:06:05.000I couldn't stop I was just training all summer so I wrestled and I didn't think anything of it and Like, okay, they just burned those, but nothing has happened yet.
00:06:58.000I'm like, I'm like one of those guys who I'm like...
00:07:03.000I don't even think about PEDs because my work, even if I don't care, I probably have dealt with someone that was cheating or competed against someone that was cheating, but my work will far exceed all of that.
00:07:14.000And so when I see idiots online or say, oh yeah, I know for a fact he's doing PD, I'm like, have you ever been to fucking Africa?
00:08:53.000People don't care about it, but I don't think people understand.
00:08:56.000So to make it to that fight, just to get in there, to step in there on fight day...
00:09:01.000Nowadays, I'm so grateful because you deal with so much from family, from relationships, to children, to injuries, to finances, all of that and coaching to where by the time you actually step in there,
00:09:49.000I mean, some guys it works for, but it's...
00:09:54.000For me, what I would love to do is ask, and hopefully in the future I can do that, and just sit down with these guys and ask them, like, how did you feel after that?
00:11:11.000And he's just punching him in the face.
00:11:14.000Khabib's got some savage moments in the case.
00:11:16.000I think one of my favorite, I think, I don't know if it was, it might have been the Edson-Barboza fight or some other fight where he was on top of the guy.
00:11:25.000He was holding him with one hand, holding his face, and he was beating his face with the other hand.
00:11:30.000I was like, this is the most savage shit I've ever seen.
00:11:48.000And he was, Mike was really having a great, great run.
00:11:52.000I got very offended when they were talking about Poirier, and I think it was Stephen A. Smith was talking about one accidental loss, I forget how he put it, to Michael Johnson.
00:12:06.000One inexplicable loss to Michael Johnson.
00:12:08.000I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:18:09.000And so Rashad had his gloves on, and we start moving, and we're going, we're going, and I'm just like, like, go ahead, let me try some shit.
00:18:18.000So I throw, I throw like a one-two or something like that, and I just kind of hit his hands, and you know, he's moving with me, moving with me, and I'm like, let me ramp it up on him.
00:18:26.000I know he's not in shape, let me ramp up on him.
00:18:29.000So I'm picking up the pace, I'm picking up the pace, and no, I couldn't hit him, and then he starts hitting me.
00:18:35.000But he was hitting me a little bit, like, with a little bit more conviction than I anticipated, than I thought.
00:21:14.000It's weird to really explain, but it's, you get to a certain point to where people start putting expectations on you.
00:21:21.000They start like, oh yeah, you're gonna do this, you're gonna do that, yeah, you're this, you're that, to where I didn't get into it for all of that.
00:21:30.000I was never, I was never attached to the title.
00:21:36.000Now, as weird as that sound, I didn't.
00:22:10.000So everyone felt like kind of started putting expectations like, yo, you're about to break this record.
00:22:15.000I didn't even know what Anderson Silva's record was until like before the last fight where everyone started saying, oh yeah, you're about to break the Anderson Silva's record or you're about to tie this.
00:22:25.000Yo, you already broke George St. Pierre's record.
00:24:18.000You got to go to UFC 12, you see Vitor's debut, and you go, okay.
00:24:24.000Now we're looking at what a real modern mixed martial artist looks like.
00:24:28.000And then there's a few guys along the way that were outliers, that were much better than everybody else.
00:24:33.000And now you have a whole roster filled with people like that.
00:24:37.000And when you watch the development of fighters, every fighter learns from the people that are in their gym and they learn from the people that they see fighting.
00:24:46.000And so everybody of today, you have Tyron Woodley's videos to watch.
00:24:53.000You have the fights that George St. Pierre had to watch.
00:24:56.000You had all these different fights that you can watch and you can learn from all these.
00:25:00.000The Anderson Silva fights, the Jon Jones fights.
00:25:03.000There's so much knowledge that's accumulated in the minds of the athletes now, and that's built on the people that came before them.
00:25:10.000I'm like, yeah, of course, they have to do the work.
00:25:14.000Yeah, of course, you know, the thing that's most impressive about a person like yourself is that in spite of all this knowledge out there and in spite of all these athletes, you are still dominating.
00:25:38.000I think when you look at the guys that you faced, and you look at Gilbert, and you look at Colby, and you look at Masvidal, you look at all these guys that you've faced.
00:25:46.000Man, that's a serious resume of hard-hitting fighters.
00:25:54.000Yeah, I started, when you start watching, and like I mentioned, I started doing research when I started getting more and more into MMA. And yeah, I'm like, damn, Joe had hair.
00:27:47.000Some of these guys coming up, you know, I mean, ten fights in and you're watching and you're like, gee, this guy looks like a world champion.
00:27:58.000And also the eyes on them, there's so many more eyes, so there's so much more attention, so there's so much more, it's so much more intensity to a lot of these up and comers.
00:28:07.000Oh yeah, we have, there's a couple of, some young guys that I just watch, I'm just like, holy shit, these guys are going to be a pro.
00:28:14.000There's, I have one of my training partners named Archie, he was a wrestler at Wyoming.
00:28:19.000I think he was like a three-time conference champion for Wyoming.
00:29:54.000You might as well be living on the moon.
00:29:56.000That doesn't even make sense to most people.
00:29:58.000So when they see someone like you and you're killing it and you're going on this unbeaten streak and you're dominating everyone, you dominate Tyrone Woodley to win the title, you knock out Masvidal with one punch.
00:31:32.000And so people would like screen grab that and make a fake page with that as the avatar and have a page dedicated to that like you got knocked out you got this you got for them to take time out of their day I'm like shit I'm special But mostly people that don't have a good life.
00:32:52.000The fight is going and there's a zone that I've learned to put myself in and my coaches can kind of attest to this because I do it even in training.
00:33:03.000There's a way that I train, that I practice to where I try to get myself into the zone which is as similar to a fight experience as I can be and to where I try not to be bothered by anything that's going on.
00:33:19.000And my body has adjusted and gotten used to this.
00:33:23.000So in the first round, the fight's going on, and boom, that situation happens.
00:33:27.000He hooked my legs, and this is my bad knee.
00:33:35.000Well, my not-so-good knee, but both of them aren't the greatest.
00:33:40.000So I'm like, okay, let me hip him through.
00:33:42.000So I tried to hip him through, but he just had great position.
00:34:54.000And I remember, and this is the great thing about Trevor Whitman, in the training camp, we work on certain techniques to kind of put him where you want him.
00:35:18.000You know, because I've kind of got Leon in a place now to where I, you know, I could kind of really kind of dictate whatever I wanted to do.
00:35:26.000And so we get him and I get him up and I think her breaks us from the cage.
00:35:32.000So we're moving and I'm trying to set him up and I'm trying to get his feet moving.
00:35:38.000I wasn't doing the greatest of job, which is this is all on me.
00:35:41.000And I'm trying to get his feet moving.
00:35:45.000And what I wanted to do was set him up and I was going to throw the punches that he couldn't see and I wanted to sit him down and get him out of there.
00:35:52.000I wanted to throw him with conviction and really, like I did with Masvidal, and get him out of there.
00:35:58.000And so I'm like, okay, what I'm going to do is I'm going to shake left, shake right, and then I'm going to let him go.
00:36:48.000I hugged everyone because he was on video and everything.
00:36:51.000I remember sitting, it was like, Leon gave me like a 20 minute nap.
00:37:01.000Oh, which was, it was, I think about, and I was laughing hysterically in the hospital, because I had to go in just to get scanned and all of that, which, everything was fine.
00:37:12.000So it's like, immediately I come to, I'm in the ambulance, they're asking me, do you know where you're at?
00:37:16.000I'm like, yeah, Salt Lake City, UFC 278. Like, what's your date of birth?
00:37:20.000I'm like, I answer, you know, and they were like, wow, perfect.
00:37:53.000It was the uncertainty of the future and also because there was nothing I could do with that.
00:38:01.000I couldn't defend myself because I didn't have the knowledge of it.
00:38:05.000That was what hurt me the most is I'm like, because when I was in that position, I could have fought it because I was standing up with the guy a backpack for almost a minute, and I had no idea what to do.
00:38:16.000And I wanted to go back to the ground and try to fight it, but in my head I said, shit, I don't know what I'm doing down there if I go down there anyways.
00:38:23.000So no, I'm just going to stay up here until I eventually tap.
00:38:27.000But this one was like, okay, I know my mistakes.
00:39:07.000I'm not even a Southpaw and I trained that kick.
00:39:09.000I know he trained that kick and there's a video, I don't know if that was before the fight or after or whatever that was, but they're like, look, this video of him actually training.
00:39:54.000Well, I mean, see the thing with the Gilbert fight, I wasn't really, you know, he didn't rock me to where I sat down, I was, you know, buzzed.
00:40:01.000He just stung you and you had to catch yourself.
00:40:02.000Yeah, it was just like, boom, that was a heavy shot.
00:40:38.000Trevor Whitman, Ben Charrington, George Santiago, and these guys, they do a great job.
00:40:45.000And my strength and conditioning coaches, Corey Peacock and Aaron, they do a great job of preparing me They do a great job of what they have to work with, getting that prepared for battle.
00:41:00.000And for me, it was executing what I wanted to do.
00:41:04.000In that moment, there was a setup that I was trying to set Leon up, and I didn't execute it the proper way.
00:41:11.000I didn't move his feet the way that I wanted to move his feet.
00:41:13.000I didn't put him in the position where I wanted to put him in order to be successful with what I wanted to do.
00:41:23.000And the instructions, and I tried that based on the instructions that I got from Trevor.
00:41:28.000And it was amazing instructions because Trevor did tell me that, hey, when you're throwing your right hand, you're looping it and he can see it because it's South Pole and he's just leaning back.
00:41:36.000And so I was like, oh shit, you're right.
00:41:38.000So I need to throw it a different way.
00:41:56.000Is that because like you do see moments in fights where things don't go fighters way and you start to see some frustration.
00:42:05.000You start to see them like lose some of their focus.
00:42:12.000Like they kind of get taken out of their game because things aren't going their way and you see things bothering them.
00:42:17.000So is that something like, so if you recognize that you can put yourself in this very specific state of mind where no matter what happens, you are exactly the same way?
00:42:28.000And it took years for me to get to that point, because yeah, I'm human.
00:42:33.000You know, I get, you know, stuff is not going your way, you start to, you know, the anxiety starts to build, and then you start to, you know...
00:44:22.000I see things, I'm just more grateful for things.
00:44:27.000And I see people kind of like look at me like an alien because if I'm not upset at certain things that don't go my way or if I don't react a certain way to certain things, people are like, oh, well, why?
00:47:19.000It was like an instant trigger response, like boom.
00:47:23.000My heart, like I wanted to cry just seeing that for her.
00:47:27.000Because as a parent, as a father, that's one of the worst things is we couldn't, and I learned that when my daughter was an infant, is when they're sick or something's bothering them, you just feel it.
00:48:22.000My daughter's not only going to see when daddy's victorious and daddy just continues to beat everybody and daddy has to put her in the best school or whatever she wants to be.
00:48:37.000She has a work ethic, but it's kind of like, I don't want to do that today or I don't want to go to gymnastics or I don't want to do that this week.
00:48:43.000And she's kind of like, doesn't want to do it.
00:49:03.000But I'm not only going to bring her because that is victorious.
00:49:06.000I am blessed right now with an opportunity to show my daughter that, look, you can fall down and look how you can get back up.
00:49:16.000And so it was to see people like, and someone like Connor, who actually does have children, to say something like that, it was like, man, you're missing the mark big time, bro.
00:49:30.000You're missing it big time because I am blessed.
00:49:33.000How often do you get an opportunity like that to where you can give them an example of how it is to rebound at the highest level?
00:49:43.000Do you think about your daughter in the audience while you're fighting at all?
00:50:50.000And so when I see her now, it's like moments I try to really fight that and stay in that place and not spend too much time with her because she's going to get affectionate.
00:51:01.000And I don't want to make her feel weird for being affectionate.
00:51:04.000But at the same time, I understand what I am feeling and the mental state that I'm in.
00:51:08.000So no, by the time I walk into the cage, I'm already that person.
00:51:13.000When they come and get you from that back room and they say, alright, it's your time.
00:51:16.000So I pace back and forth in the backstage before I do the walk and I'm starting to slowly climb into the Nigerian nightmare when I step inside that cage.
00:51:25.000So when I'm there, I don't even know, I don't feel, I don't see, I don't hear, I don't care that they're there.
00:51:31.000I have a task, I have a job to do and that's what I need to do.
00:53:40.000I feel nothing except for the bump on my shin for kicking his elbow and I feel nothing.
00:53:47.000So I want to go back, but the doctors are like saying, which I have to listen because they're supposed to be experts.
00:53:55.000And they're like, yeah, even though you might not feel anything, there might be some bruising back there that you don't know that could cause some type of harm later on.
00:54:08.000But, you know, I'm already, you know, thinking about what I can do, push-ups, sit-ups, to do this or that, to just stay in shape because I already feel like, you know...
00:54:19.000I'm addicted to that burn of that workout, the burn of physical activity.
00:54:25.000I can honestly say I'm an addict to that.
00:54:29.000I mean, you talk openly about this so I can bring it up, but it's amazing how well you can fight and how well you can train with your knees the way they are.
00:55:16.000Yeah, I think they're stabilized because over time now, usually I could just go into a practice.
00:55:24.000Like I said, that one day Rashad just came in, didn't really even warm up and still whipped my ass.
00:55:30.000I could usually do that, but now it takes me about 45 minutes to warm up.
00:55:35.000Even if my workout might be 30 minutes, it takes me about 45 minutes to warm up.
00:55:41.000And I try to be religiously diligent in that, in knowing that I have to get that in.
00:55:46.000In order to prolong my ability to stay here, I have to do that.
00:55:52.000And then after you're done, you gotta stretch, you gotta cool down, which I'm still much better at, but I'm still working out the kinks of those.
00:56:00.000It's amazing how many fighters don't stretch.
00:56:30.000So you have to wait a few weeks before you can train again, and then once you start training again, then do you get an assessment of when you'd be able to compete again?
00:57:55.000But I knew that probably wasn't the wisest thing to do.
00:57:58.000There is a thing that happens to fighters, and I'm not saying this is going to happen to you, but when they've been knocked out more than once, oftentimes, they lose their chin.
00:58:35.000But I'm listening to the experts and the guys that have experience.
00:58:40.000You know to have the knowledge of what this is and they're saying if they saying okay, you need to wait a month and not take any hard training or heavy this Yeah, of course.
00:58:49.000I have nothing but time I mean the only logical thing that makes sense is to fight this guy again.
00:58:55.000Yeah Well, that's where the money is, too.
00:58:58.000Yeah, but for me, it's not necessarily about the money.
01:00:15.000I'm living in my head and I'm going through this experience.
01:00:18.000And maybe that day Trevor put me through a workout that was just super tough that I was fluctuating with dealing with it mentally while I was doing it.
01:00:29.000So I'm reflecting on that the whole time.
01:00:31.000So I might sit there and just stare off into space while I'm eating.
01:00:33.000And I know she probably wonders, like, why isn't he talking?
01:00:38.000I sacrifice all of those things for what I am doing right now.
01:00:43.000And so, yeah, I have to represent that.
01:00:45.000Each and every time I step in there, I want to represent that to the fullest.
01:00:49.000You know, I don't spend as much time with my mom and dad.
01:00:52.000You know my dad's out now and you know I'm sure he's having a blast you know now seeing where we all are in life But I would love to spend more time with them, but I sacrifice all of that to go and try to be great at this So in an ideal timeline When would you like to have a rematch?
01:01:16.000I think what makes more sense is to go to London or go to England somewhere.
01:03:23.000That, that, I... I thought 18, like I walk out of Salt Lake City, which is big shout out to Salt Lake City, big shout out to all the guys that took care of us there, Sean and all those guys,
01:03:39.000the AG and they did a fantastic job taking care of us.
01:03:46.000And so I'm thinking, you know, I love it, because I went to school in Colorado and Iowa and the Midwest, so I'm like, okay, Salt Lake City, and I live in Colorado.
01:03:55.000I'm like, I don't know what to expect here.
01:05:08.000But I got used to that in wrestling because, you know, the three years Division II, I was ranked number one going into the national tournament.
01:05:14.000And so I kind of made friends with everyone looking at me as that guy, the number one guy they were coming after.
01:06:27.000And, you know, if you have a career that's 40 fights, you have 40 of these wild-ass moments in your life, and then everything other than that is preparing for the next moment.
01:06:36.000It's like celebrating the victory of the moment, rebuilding from the defeat of the moment, training, and getting ready for the next moment.
01:06:50.000Some people find something cool to do, and they find a crazy hobby that they really enjoy, and they find something that really they can focus on.
01:06:59.000But I think for a guy who chases excellence his whole life, like yourself, it's very difficult to find something to do with that energy.
01:07:08.000Because what you're doing is, you're not just chasing excellence, you're chasing it globally.
01:07:14.000You're trying to be the most dominant person at 170 pounds on planet Earth and you're succeeding at it and you put forth this immense amount of concentration and determination and discipline and effort and thought and just focus and the process over and over again day in and day out with incremental improvements and then you have these moments and then Boom!
01:07:38.000You land that right hand on Masvidal and he goes to sleep.
01:08:19.000And I've been, you know, over the years now, I've been, you know, trying to kind of branch out and learn different ways and get into different things to be able to do that.
01:08:30.000And, you know, I've taken up, which I would love to have a conversation one day, you know, hopefully being in the same setting as Michael Jordan.
01:08:38.000I would love to have a conversation with a guy like that.
01:08:40.000You know, in the Tiger Woods and all these guys and have a conversation with them and just...
01:10:41.000She's not bad looking, and she just, you know, I guess games me up over time, and make a long story short, she got me out of like 55 bands, 55,000.
01:13:18.000I want to basically do the same thing in South Florida.
01:13:21.000I'm doing the chain and whatnot, and I'm still reluctant because my advisors and my accountant says, don't get involved in a restaurant business.
01:13:34.000So I listen I listen for a while and then he just somehow uses my friends people around me to get to me so All in all we get a group the guys of us he gets us for like half a million and You know he sells us the restaurant like one of the business and he got them because they were in for another location so he got them for like over over a million and So The one I invested in was a different location and he got us for half a million,
01:14:04.000but he turned around and sold it to a Same time so that tells it to another couple like page and I forget her name page and Paul someone got them for like half a million Turns out sells it to another one like this is all like he sells the same restaurant to like three or four different people Oh my god.
01:14:21.000And I remember sometimes he would talk to us and he'd say, you know, I just, I don't like these people down here in South Florida.
01:14:26.000They're a bunch of scammers, you know, I don't like these people.
01:14:29.000And when people talk about scammers, chances are they are the scammers.
01:16:04.000The smart individual, the smarter individual that I am now, probably nothing.
01:16:09.000Because that's just an opportunity for him to get more money out of me.
01:16:13.000Like if I go up and let's say he decides to, I'm gonna get brave and talk reckless to him because he knows he's gonna provoke me and try to get in my face and do this.
01:17:23.000Yeah, I have to live with it, but I get a rare opportunity to rebuild, to work myself up and show her that, look, it's not the end of the world.
01:17:35.000You could still get back to this point.
01:17:39.000And so, yeah, that was weird to me that, you know, people would speak on that and negatively about that and Connor would say something about, yeah, that's why I don't bring my family or I wouldn't bring my family.
01:17:52.000Well, he's just trying to fuck with you.
01:17:53.000I think there was a time where he was angling towards a fight with you.
01:21:45.000I guess the idea is, like, get in early, and then if it is very valuable, you got in early, so you got this virtual real estate before it, you know, the price skyrocketed.
01:21:57.000But if it's, okay, this is the thing, if it's a virtual real estate, like, there's no end to the possibilities there.
01:25:26.000In my head I'm thinking this, but then I had to snap into, very quickly, I had to catch myself, and I'm just like, She doesn't know and she doesn't care what those shoes are.
01:26:43.000I have to approach certain things differently.
01:26:45.000Like this little girl is teaching me so much and enhancing me so much, even with my relationships and how I deal with them now and deal with maybe a loss of a relationship or gaining a new one, how you deal with them.
01:29:09.000If you're an athlete, if you're a person who works out all the time, sauna and a cold plunge.
01:29:13.000If you're a person who values your immune system, wants your recovery to be better, you want to reduce inflammation in your life, sauna and a cold plunge.
01:29:22.000Get those two motherfuckers back-to-back.
01:29:24.000Do 20 minutes in that sauna and And to do like three to five minutes in that cold plunge, you get out, you're a different human.
01:31:44.000You're in a 37 degree river, like, oh, fuck!
01:31:47.000Yeah, I got it the first time, this time I went in.
01:31:51.000And I go in hands too, because actually the first day I did, my little brother kept telling me, yeah, yeah, put your hands in there, put your hands.
01:34:23.000And that was the biggest thing, is he wanted to, because you know, fighters, we always hurt our hands, we always break our hands, and he was like, man, his mind's always going, how can I create something that's better?
01:34:33.000For your hands, that can enhance it and enhance it.
01:34:37.000And so his gloves, even the big, the 16 ounces, the X Factor gloves are amazing.
01:41:08.000George Lockhart was explaining this to me, and he was saying that people with a lot of muscles, like yourself, it's actually easier for them to cut weight than skinny people or people that have fat.
01:41:19.000Because, like, you don't get a lot of water out of fat.
01:41:21.000He said you're getting the water out of the muscle tissue.
01:41:23.000Yeah, I've tried that and I think when I fought, I didn't fight actually.
01:41:28.000The most muscular I was was when Tyron Woodley fought Darren Till in Dallas.
01:41:37.000I weighed in as an alternate for that, for that fight.
01:41:41.000Because in my head, I was going to be, I was going to fight for this title.
01:41:44.000Whether Darren Till made the weight or whether Tyron Willie made, whether Darren Till did make it or Tyron Willie didn't make it, I was going to step in.
01:44:12.000But for me, the best way is, like now, oral hydration.
01:44:16.000Knowing when I put in the sodium, the magnesium, and certain things step by step.
01:44:23.000Big shout out to Clint and the guys at the PI. You know, they have a whole protocol and a process to getting those fluids back in you, the electrolytes, you know, the carbohydrates and the certain things back in your body that's going to hold that water.
01:44:49.000And see, at this moment, it's got to hold you up because your body's just wrecked.
01:44:58.000Yeah, I've watched certain people get on the scale, and you see them shuffling to the scale, and you're like, I can't believe this guy has to fight in a day.
01:45:09.000For me, by this point, by the time I get here, my body just...
01:45:30.000What do you think about the possibility of eliminating that?
01:45:33.000Do you think it's ever possible to eliminate weight cutting?
01:45:35.000Like, if they had more weight classes, they had hydration tests like they do in college for wrestling, do you think that they could do that?
01:45:58.000I'm saying, like, imagine if you just weighed in, and what you weighed in, and you fought, like, you weigh 195, fight 195. Oh, yeah, that would be great.
01:46:58.000I've, you know, you compete against those guys, you know, and I'm, you know, I wrestle with them and I train with them and I'm bigger guys to where it's not that big of a problem.
01:47:08.000Do you see how much weight Alex Pereira is cutting before he fights Izzy?
01:48:27.000Because I know one championship, they've implemented some sort of hydration strategy that apparently didn't go well during the last weigh-ins.
01:48:37.000There's a bunch of people that missed hydration and missed weight.
01:48:40.000Oh, and by the way, shout out to Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson.
01:49:14.000He's another fighter that intelligently is one of the best.
01:49:19.000When he was at the top in the flyweight division in the UFC, you would see guys trying to solve this puzzle of this guy who's here, and then he teleports to here, and then he's kneeing you in the body, and then he's over here, and then he's got your back.
01:51:18.000Like, the UFC doesn't promote him anymore.
01:51:20.000Like, now that he's gone and he goes to another organization.
01:51:23.000But it's still, the fights that he had in the UFC, like when they show that whole, you know, when they play The Who, they have that music and they have that compilation.
01:51:32.000How the fuck do you not have Mighty Mouse in that?
01:51:34.000Because he's no longer with the company.
01:51:44.000So I think when he's done over there, where he can't give them shine over there anymore, I think they'll start to bring it out because he's...
01:53:05.000We have this real wizard trainer who has the star pupil.
01:53:10.000And then you get to see how good that trainer is because there's an athlete that's good enough to represent that guy's understanding of the sport.
01:54:14.000You know, so I don't know what she's thinking as far as her future, whether she wants to fight again or whether she doesn't want to fight again.
01:54:22.000You know, I would be sad if she doesn't fight again because...
01:54:26.000So she may not fight again, you think?
01:54:52.000I mean, if it ends now, it sucks that it ends on that fight.
01:54:55.000That's what sucks, because it's not like it ends on the Joanna fight when she KO'd her, or when she KO'd Zhang Weili, to lose on that fight where it was so perplexing.
01:58:40.000Heavyweight, knocking people out at light heavyweight, and knocking people dead at 185. If you want to fight Jared Kananir, you gotta fight that way.
01:58:49.000That's my same criticism of people that were saying that Wonderboy, when Tyron Woodley fought Wonderboy, that he fought him wrong.
02:00:40.000And I... He said that to me between the first time I fought Masvidal, right after the fight, because I remember I was just so mad at myself because I felt that I could have done better.
02:00:55.000I dominated the whole fight, but I was just like, no, that guy wasn't as good as I. I made it up to be in my head.
02:06:03.000So clean and the way he lands his strikes is so efficient and like he's someone to watch and then he had a Rough time of it for a while like you where it didn't really and he has some personal issues And it seemed like he kind of lost his focus, but now it looks like it's a hundred percent back Yeah,
02:06:44.000Yeah, I don't know if that's for sure because I'm hearing now, like, all this week they were saying, oh, Masvidal is pushing to fight Leon Edwards for the title.
02:06:53.000I'm like, that doesn't really make sense.
02:06:55.000If I was Leon, I'd be like, where have you been?
02:06:59.000You punched me in the face four or five years ago.
02:07:08.000They were going back and forth because...
02:07:10.000I think DC, I think he called for the Masvidal fight and said, oh, he will.
02:07:15.000I think they asked Leon, would you fight Masvidal?
02:07:17.000And Leon's like, I mean, yeah, I have the opportunity to say, but, you know, I've been wanting to fight this guy for three years and he just ignored me and said that I was a nobody.
02:07:25.000But now out of the woodwork, he wants to fight me.
02:07:28.000And then I think DC had commented and said, if I was Leon, I would just completely ignore this guy because that's what he did to you.
02:07:36.000He ignored you when he could have fought you.
02:07:38.000You guys were both in a certain situation where you could fight each other.
02:07:46.000So he, of course, he wants to fight you now.
02:07:49.000And so I think that's what Masvidal and his camp got upset with and they started going to DC. And DC did the most savage shit, I think, to do.
02:07:59.000And he posted a picture of his titles stacked up.
02:08:08.000I remember saying, I was just like, well, the argument's over.
02:12:11.000I don't want to speculate on it because I didn't know the whole file of everything, but I know he has good days and then some days he has some bad weeks.
02:12:23.000Anthony Johnson was one of the purest athletes I've ever seen because he had the feet of a lightweight and the power of a heavyweight and he carried it all the way through.
02:12:37.000I pray for him and I hope he gets better.
02:12:41.000How long has he been dealing with this?
02:16:06.000I hope he does get it, but to do something, to do what he's done, what he just did, To come from where he's come from and stay in England and yeah, and I don't care how he did it he did it yeah,
02:16:21.000you know I I would that's kudos to him and and what he is stands for you know that victory because he's now he's intertwined with the inner city and helping kids and you know stay out of the gang life and things of that nature so it's commendable and I and I'm I'm glad for him For what that you know being able to achieve that and But in my head,
02:16:45.000it's not like I feel like I'm a loser.
02:17:15.000For him the only fight that would make any sense marketing wise I could see you could say the Masvidal fight if you couldn't fight in time and they offered him a headliner fight and Masvidal took it I kind of could see where that would maybe But I don't think they would risk the rematch.
02:17:33.000Even with that, I would give it to Covington first.
02:17:37.000If we're going to be logical about the order of things, I would give it to them.
02:17:43.000But if we just don't give a shit, we don't care, then yeah, that makes sense.
02:20:39.000But it's because he heard him on the feet.
02:20:41.000Well, he stood right in front of you and let you swing punches at him because he had so much confidence in his ability to take a shot, too.
02:23:32.000Well, I think with MMA's the highs are so high and the lows are so low and they know the lows are so low, so they go after you when you're down.
02:27:37.000I'm trying to spend the time and money On my recovery, you know, making sure that I'm healthy, I'm warmed up before and stretching after and getting some physical therapy, some body work done.
02:27:51.000And of course, it supplements, you know, as far as the, you know, turmeric and the ginger and the different things that the natural herbs that you can put in your body to help reduce those inflammations I'm doing.
02:28:04.000And You know, I used to say, oh man, maybe a couple more fights and I'm done.
02:28:09.000But, you know, with the newfound hunger that Leon has sparked, it's like, we'll do this a little bit more.
02:29:47.000Which is kind of what makes it also tempting for me because they are scary.
02:29:52.000It's like you get to a certain point where you're looking for new scary things to do to kind of, you know, Keep you alive, keep you motivated.
02:30:01.000So now you have a new road map though.
02:30:02.000Yeah, I have a new road map, but it's still similar.
02:33:28.000Running is so good to where there's even a thing called runner's high.
02:33:35.000And I've felt that a few times because I ran cross country when I was in middle school and that's why I really developed a passion for running.
02:33:45.000When you're running and you just get in that zone and you're just going, it's...
02:33:50.000Maybe when you're done fighting, they'll give you some new knees.
02:34:32.000It just gives me a cringe just thinking about that.
02:34:36.000Well, they say they're going to have to replace them in 20 years, but they were going to have to do something new in 20 years anyway if you're going to work out.
02:34:42.000With the evolution of man, just the way that we're changing things and growing things, yeah, of course.
02:34:48.000I think also biologics are going to advance to a point where they're going to be able to regenerate tissue in a way that they're not going to have to replace your knee.
02:34:56.000They're just going to be able to regenerate all that cartilage tissue, meniscus.
02:35:00.000Have you seen that printer that is printing anything?