The Joe Rogan Experience - March 29, 2018


JRE MMA Show #20 with Yves Edwards


Episode Stats

Length

3 hours and 11 minutes

Words per Minute

190.78635

Word Count

36,596

Sentence Count

3,856

Misogynist Sentences

64


Summary

In this episode, the boys talk about the new fanny pack, the new Gucci bag, and the fact that Beyonce wears a thong under her dress. Also, the guys discuss the latest craze of ripped-up pants and how they look in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s. This episode was brought to you by SeatGeek and produced by Riley Bray. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your stuff. You can also support the podcast by becoming a patron patron and get 10% off your first month with discount code: PODCAST10 at checkout. Thanks to Pale Fire and Mossy Creek for sponsoring this episode. PODCASTS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Pale Fire - PODcass - Pale Fire Podcast - Pale White Noise - Pale Pink - Pale Brown - Pale Blue - Pale Gray - Pale Black - Pale Purple - Pale Green - Pale Orange - Pale Yellow - Pale Pajamas - Pale Red - Neon Pink - Neon Blue - Neon Purple - Neon Gray - Neon Orange - Neon Brown - Neon Green - Neon Yellow - Neon Neon - Neon Grey - Neon blue - Neon pink - Neon brown - Neon yellow - Neon white - Neon grey - Neon orange - Neon blues - Neon red - Neon purple - Neon green - Neon teal - neon yellow - neon pink - neon blue - neon - neon brown - neon green - neon blues - neon orange, neon yellow, neon pink, neon blue, neon, neon blues, and neon pink and neon brown, and other things, we talk about a little bit of everything, we don't know what we like, but we like it. We also talk about our thoughts on Beyonce, we're not sure what we're going to wear, we just know it's cool, we can't wait to see what we'll do it, so we'll see it, we'll figure it out, we will see it out and see it in real life, right? We'll see how we'll talk about it and we'll know it in the next episode, we know we'll get there, we have a little more of it! Thank you for listening to this episode we'll be back next week, we love you guys, we hope you'll listen to it, y'all have a better next week! - The boys have fun!


Transcript

00:00:08.000 And we're live!
00:00:10.000 Eve Edwards, ladies and gentlemen.
00:00:11.000 You're one of those dudes that has that book cover for your phone.
00:00:15.000 I tried to rock the book cover.
00:00:17.000 After a while, I'm like, what am I doing here with this extra step?
00:00:19.000 I gotta open up a book to get to my phone.
00:00:22.000 I like it because I forget things a lot so like I don't like having a wallet and a phone when I leave somewhere like especially even a house I leave the house with my phone, but I don't have my cash on my cards So I got a solution for you.
00:00:35.000 It's called a motherfucking fanny pack That's right even where it's you're cool, dude You think you're cool enough to rock one of these like are you cool enough to get past the social pariah aspect?
00:00:48.000 Of this bag that you wear around your waist.
00:00:50.000 I don't have that much shit with me most of the time.
00:00:52.000 It's not that much shit.
00:00:53.000 There's a lot of shit in here, but this is a weird day.
00:00:55.000 I have like keys and I have a knife in there and stuff.
00:00:59.000 But most of the time, it's just light.
00:01:02.000 I travel light with that.
00:01:03.000 Look at that!
00:01:03.000 Who's that?
00:01:05.000 I believe Quavo from Migos.
00:01:07.000 I have no idea who you just said.
00:01:09.000 He's a popular rapper.
00:01:10.000 But that is a ridiculous...
00:01:11.000 Is he a popular fella?
00:01:12.000 Yes.
00:01:12.000 I'm an old man, dude.
00:01:13.000 I'm an old man who listens to the Allman Brothers, alright?
00:01:17.000 But that one that he's got on is preposterous.
00:01:21.000 You might as well have a laptop hanging around his waist.
00:01:24.000 Yeah, he's also got like holes in his jeans.
00:01:25.000 Yeah, that's ridiculous.
00:01:26.000 What'd you get attacked by a tiger, sir?
00:01:28.000 He's also got a lot of jewelry.
00:01:29.000 All that jewelry.
00:01:30.000 In the 80s.
00:01:31.000 Yeah.
00:01:32.000 He's kind of ridiculous looking.
00:01:34.000 But make that bigger again so I can take a look at this gentleman.
00:01:39.000 This is a light version, too.
00:01:41.000 I probably could have found a better picture.
00:01:42.000 He's got a lot going on.
00:01:43.000 Those pants are preposterous.
00:01:44.000 That's the most preposterous thing.
00:01:46.000 I guess the shoes, if you want to go out, but you also want to go bowling, you might wear those shoes.
00:01:53.000 This is a roast fest.
00:01:54.000 Let's go.
00:01:54.000 I can't say anything bad about the jewelry.
00:01:56.000 I'm not into the jewelry.
00:01:58.000 I mean, that's not my thing, but he looks like he's well-appointed.
00:02:00.000 He looks like he has two watches on, though.
00:02:02.000 Fuck yeah, ballin'.
00:02:03.000 Hashtag ballin'.
00:02:04.000 I think the one on the right is probably just...
00:02:06.000 Is that a bracelet?
00:02:07.000 Just a fancy-ass bracelet.
00:02:09.000 But the pants are ridiculous.
00:02:11.000 How the fuck did that ever get started, where people wear ripped-up pants?
00:02:14.000 I tried to talk to Brendan Chobb about that.
00:02:15.000 That dumb motherfucker wears those shits.
00:02:17.000 Didn't they do it in the 80s though?
00:02:18.000 They did it a long time ago too.
00:02:20.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:02:20.000 It's been going on for a while.
00:02:21.000 That's like from fucking music videos.
00:02:23.000 It's just like, what are you doing, man?
00:02:25.000 It's like Pat Benatar.
00:02:26.000 I don't have any fashion taste.
00:02:28.000 Don't listen to me.
00:02:29.000 But when I mock some shit, you might want to listen to me.
00:02:32.000 Like, don't wear what I wear.
00:02:34.000 Like, you know, don't.
00:02:36.000 Just don't.
00:02:37.000 I mostly wear these things, which are trail running sneakers.
00:02:43.000 They get no sneaker cred.
00:02:45.000 Or I'll wear Converse All-Star.
00:02:47.000 Look at this!
00:02:48.000 Look at this!
00:02:49.000 Teen Beat Donnie Wahlberg.
00:02:50.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:02:51.000 That's from the 90s.
00:02:52.000 How does his hog not just slip right out of that one on the right hand side?
00:02:56.000 That one on the right hand side?
00:02:58.000 Come on.
00:02:59.000 Silly fucks.
00:03:01.000 I don't know.
00:03:02.000 I see that and I feel like the guys are probably wearing a thong under that too.
00:03:05.000 Yeah, I would imagine there's something going on there.
00:03:08.000 See, like with the women, it's so much nicer.
00:03:11.000 Yeah, that doesn't bother me at all.
00:03:12.000 I'm gonna tell you right now, this is where I'm a hypocrite.
00:03:15.000 Like with Beyonce right there, she fills it out.
00:03:18.000 Yeah, she does.
00:03:19.000 See, that's kind of different because like a woman's legs and everything are very sexual, right?
00:03:26.000 So you see extra leg, it's like, just shut your mouth and take the bonus.
00:03:31.000 Yeah, right?
00:03:32.000 Yeah.
00:03:32.000 You don't want to complain about it.
00:03:34.000 But a dude wearing something like that?
00:03:36.000 It's like, it's literally like, well, not literally, but it's so much like a guy wearing a dress.
00:03:41.000 Like, it's a fashion for women, I believe.
00:03:43.000 It's trying way too hard.
00:03:45.000 Like, look at this fella.
00:03:47.000 This, like, seems like the 80s, though, because he's got a suit jacket on.
00:03:51.000 I mean, you can look at the quality of the picture.
00:03:53.000 Yeah, right?
00:03:54.000 That's true.
00:03:54.000 And that hairstyle.
00:03:55.000 Suit jackets never came back.
00:03:57.000 No.
00:03:58.000 He's got patches, too.
00:03:58.000 Oh, he's got patches.
00:04:00.000 I remember when they used to do all that art on the jeans, too?
00:04:04.000 Yeah, those pants are ridiculous.
00:04:07.000 But ripped-up pants.
00:04:09.000 Men.
00:04:11.000 Allegedly.
00:04:13.000 Ripped up pants and skinny jeans.
00:04:15.000 I'm still 100% against skinny jeans.
00:04:18.000 You know what?
00:04:19.000 I say that.
00:04:19.000 I'm against skinny jeans, but I wear these things called barbell jeans.
00:04:23.000 You ever wear those?
00:04:23.000 No.
00:04:24.000 They look like skinny jeans.
00:04:25.000 Because they're tight to you, but they have...
00:04:29.000 Oh, I got them on right now.
00:04:30.000 They're made out of this shit.
00:04:33.000 They got some elasticity to it.
00:04:36.000 Oh, yeah, man.
00:04:36.000 They're like wearing sweatpants.
00:04:38.000 Like, you don't feel...
00:04:39.000 You can go throw kicks in them.
00:04:40.000 Like, you could.
00:04:42.000 Like, for real.
00:04:43.000 I'm too old for that.
00:04:44.000 No, no, no.
00:04:44.000 I can't get my leg out.
00:04:46.000 Do you train anymore?
00:04:47.000 Yeah, I still train.
00:04:48.000 Yeah?
00:04:49.000 I haven't trained.
00:04:50.000 The past few months have been a little bit hard, but now that things are settling down and I'm settling into this new life, things are good.
00:04:58.000 I've been training with Joe a lot, shilling.
00:05:00.000 Oh, okay, cool.
00:05:01.000 Mickey Gall just moved out here.
00:05:02.000 Are you in that area?
00:05:03.000 Yeah.
00:05:03.000 Are you in the downtown area?
00:05:04.000 Yeah, in Eagle Rock.
00:05:05.000 Oh, nice, nice.
00:05:06.000 So I like it over there.
00:05:07.000 The yard's a great place.
00:05:08.000 The yard is awesome.
00:05:09.000 That's a great place to train.
00:05:10.000 Been going there for a while with him.
00:05:12.000 I saw Mickey training with Joe on Instagram.
00:05:14.000 Yep.
00:05:15.000 Yeah.
00:05:16.000 Nice.
00:05:16.000 So he's down there too?
00:05:17.000 Smart.
00:05:17.000 Good move for him.
00:05:18.000 That's what he needs, right?
00:05:19.000 His striking, his ground game is very good.
00:05:21.000 Yeah, his ground is really good.
00:05:22.000 He moved down here about a month ago and he actually is my roommate now.
00:05:26.000 No shit!
00:05:27.000 You live with Mickey Gall?
00:05:28.000 Yeah, he came out and lived with me.
00:05:30.000 That's cool.
00:05:31.000 That's gotta be fun.
00:05:32.000 It's fun.
00:05:33.000 It's fun also because he's so young.
00:05:37.000 It's almost like having a son that is doing what you did.
00:05:43.000 You know?
00:05:43.000 That's a great resource for him to be able to talk to you, ask you questions about the game.
00:05:48.000 We sit around and watch fights sometimes.
00:05:50.000 It's good.
00:05:50.000 Eve Edwards, I saw you fight in hook and shoot in like the fucking 60s.
00:05:55.000 Like you were wearing bell bottoms when you came out into the cage.
00:05:58.000 I was.
00:06:00.000 There was one.
00:06:00.000 Yeah.
00:06:01.000 I remember you fought Aaron Riley.
00:06:02.000 I think you were like 12 years old.
00:06:04.000 How old were you?
00:06:06.000 I was about 20. So I was still a kid.
00:06:09.000 Those were good fights though, man.
00:06:11.000 Those were good fights.
00:06:13.000 I was watching that fight.
00:06:15.000 Actually, Mickey and I watched that fight together a couple weeks ago.
00:06:17.000 Is it weird?
00:06:19.000 It is weird.
00:06:20.000 Does it seem like you?
00:06:22.000 Does it seem like another life?
00:06:24.000 It's kind of another life, right?
00:06:25.000 It is.
00:06:26.000 Like, how old are you now?
00:06:26.000 I'm 41. When you think back about yourself at 20, like, how much memory do you really have of that?
00:06:34.000 You got, like, little flashes.
00:06:36.000 Yeah.
00:06:36.000 Like, I can see little pictures, images of shit, and then I have a narrative that I play out in my head that I think happened, and so I can repeat it.
00:06:44.000 Here you go.
00:06:45.000 Look at that!
00:06:46.000 20-year-old Eve Edwards!
00:06:48.000 Bouncing around!
00:06:50.000 Wow, dude.
00:06:52.000 Yeah, look at the hair.
00:06:53.000 Wow.
00:06:54.000 I had this curl thing going on.
00:06:56.000 You had that Kumo D thing going on, too.
00:06:58.000 I was, you know, I was representing the homies.
00:07:02.000 Wow.
00:07:03.000 This is the early, early days.
00:07:06.000 This was Jeff Osborne's show.
00:07:09.000 Yep, that was Hook and Shoot.
00:07:10.000 That was the first time Aaron and I fought.
00:07:12.000 Is Jeff doing...
00:07:13.000 He's a really good commentator, man.
00:07:15.000 Is he working?
00:07:16.000 I don't know.
00:07:17.000 I know he just, like, he shut down Hook and Shoot.
00:07:19.000 Yeah.
00:07:20.000 Like, it's gone.
00:07:21.000 And I don't know what Jeff is doing.
00:07:22.000 I know he had a lot...
00:07:23.000 He was involved with pro wrestling a lot, too.
00:07:26.000 But now, I haven't spoken to him in a long time.
00:07:28.000 I did a couple shows with him in the UFC when I first came aboard.
00:07:32.000 He was doing the UFC back in the...
00:07:34.000 Yeah, I was just watching, that's another thing, going back and watching these old fights.
00:07:39.000 I went on Fight Pass and I was watching, I think it was like UFC 33. Wow.
00:07:44.000 In Louisiana, when Bustamanch and Linlin, that card.
00:07:49.000 Yeah, that was the restart fight.
00:07:50.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:07:51.000 Remember that?
00:07:51.000 Yeah.
00:07:52.000 Bustamanch tapped him twice.
00:07:53.000 Bustamanch tapped him.
00:07:54.000 And then tapped him again.
00:07:56.000 And Big John kind of screwed it up and...
00:07:58.000 Yeah, man.
00:07:59.000 You know, that was the early days, too.
00:08:03.000 I think nowadays, I think Big John would have just said, no, no, no.
00:08:06.000 It's over.
00:08:07.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:08:08.000 I mean, we were all learning back then.
00:08:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:11.000 But that was still like UFC, middleweight championship.
00:08:15.000 You know, it was like they had had 30-plus shows.
00:08:18.000 It was like...
00:08:20.000 It was something that you wouldn't expect.
00:08:22.000 Yeah.
00:08:23.000 For sure.
00:08:24.000 Well, Lindlund was so...
00:08:25.000 He was so crazy.
00:08:26.000 Didn't he bite somebody when he was wrestling?
00:08:29.000 Lindlund?
00:08:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:08:30.000 In the wrestling days, he bit somebody.
00:08:33.000 Here's Bustamantre versus Chuck Liddell.
00:08:34.000 This is a different one.
00:08:36.000 Yeah, this was a fight where...
00:08:39.000 Bustamance was out of power.
00:08:41.000 Yeah, he was just too small.
00:08:42.000 Chuck was just so scary back then.
00:08:44.000 And Bustamance wasn't taking Chuck down.
00:08:46.000 Well, Bustamance had fought some big fucking dudes, though, man.
00:08:49.000 Yeah, that was the thing, that he hadn't taken Chuck down.
00:08:51.000 He had fought some big fucking dudes.
00:08:53.000 Remember he fought Tom Erickson in, like, World Combat something or another?
00:08:58.000 I don't remember the organization.
00:09:00.000 I do vaguely remember the fight.
00:09:01.000 I don't remember watching it.
00:09:03.000 But there was a...
00:09:06.000 It was a mat.
00:09:07.000 I feel like it was on a mat and there was no cage or a ring.
00:09:11.000 Maybe.
00:09:12.000 You might be right.
00:09:14.000 That's what my dream is.
00:09:15.000 My dream is to do MMA fights in a football field.
00:09:19.000 I feel like if they can run.
00:09:20.000 People can get together for football fields.
00:09:21.000 No, so you can't get trapped up against a cage.
00:09:24.000 I feel like if a guy takes you down and holds you down, he should be able to hold you down because there's nothing there but the ground.
00:09:29.000 Yeah.
00:09:29.000 But a cage, you can wall walk up the cage.
00:09:33.000 You could protect yourself against submissions up against the cage.
00:09:36.000 There's a bunch of shit that happens against the cage that just doesn't happen if you're in a basketball court.
00:09:41.000 But then because of that, you've got to develop new technique, right?
00:09:44.000 You've got to develop something to deal with that situation.
00:09:46.000 Yeah.
00:09:47.000 Do you think the rules are okay?
00:09:50.000 No.
00:09:50.000 What would you change?
00:09:52.000 I would definitely change the 12 to 6 elbow.
00:09:55.000 That's one.
00:09:56.000 I always thought that was silly.
00:09:58.000 You know why that one's illegal, right?
00:10:00.000 Yeah.
00:10:00.000 I used to watch those karate things.
00:10:04.000 They used to come on late at night on ESPN when I was a kid.
00:10:07.000 I used to watch those things all the time.
00:10:08.000 I used to love them, too.
00:10:09.000 Even when I was fighting, I was still watching those things because it was entertainment.
00:10:16.000 Those things are so silly.
00:10:18.000 Yeah!
00:10:21.000 They get so intense too, you know?
00:10:24.000 So the athletic commissions really thought that you couldn't do that to a person because you'd kill them.
00:10:28.000 So they made that technique illegal.
00:10:30.000 Out of all the shit.
00:10:32.000 Like we have that power cube thing in the back where Ngannou registered that power punch.
00:10:36.000 If you go out there and elbow that thing, you'd be shocked at how weak-ass your elbow is.
00:10:41.000 Especially a drop-down elbow.
00:10:43.000 Like it's just not that much power.
00:10:45.000 It's just, I mean, when they're breaking those boards, they're using that joint as a...
00:10:51.000 As a post, as a lever, exactly.
00:10:53.000 And they're just putting their body weight behind it.
00:10:55.000 That's all it is.
00:10:56.000 You can't necessarily do that when you're inside someone's guard.
00:11:00.000 You don't want Jon Jones elbowing you in the face, period.
00:11:03.000 Exactly.
00:11:03.000 But there's no difference if Jon's hitting you with a downward elbow like he got disqualified for when he fought Matt Hamill, or if he's hitting you with a sideways elbow.
00:11:11.000 He's just smashing you.
00:11:12.000 You know what?
00:11:12.000 That downward elbow is going to cut a lot less unless it's the point on the top of the head.
00:11:16.000 That's true, right?
00:11:17.000 That's true.
00:11:18.000 That's a very important point.
00:11:20.000 Like, that was always the argument against no gloves, was that you'd cut.
00:11:26.000 You'd cut people more.
00:11:27.000 Yeah.
00:11:28.000 I agree with that.
00:11:29.000 I mean, that skin getting pinched between bone at that speed, you know?
00:11:33.000 It's just getting torn.
00:11:34.000 It's not even really cut.
00:11:36.000 But, do you think that having wrapped up hands and having padded gloves, like, is that an unrealistic sort of thing?
00:11:46.000 Because, like, if you're striking, like, if you and a dude were just fighting, right?
00:11:50.000 You're just fighting.
00:11:51.000 Like, there's no, like, hey, this is a play fight, we're gonna have rules.
00:11:54.000 This is just a fight.
00:11:55.000 You and a guy are fighting.
00:11:56.000 You can't just hit him with bare hands the way you can hit him with gloves on.
00:12:01.000 With your wrist taped up, you know, you got to be very wary about punching him full blast in the forehead.
00:12:07.000 You might shatter your hand.
00:12:08.000 There's a lot of things you have to think about.
00:12:11.000 Yeah, but I guess as someone has done it and trained to try to knock someone out, we're never throwing punches at your skull.
00:12:22.000 We're aiming for these targets that are soft.
00:12:25.000 So when you're in a street fight, those things don't turn off.
00:12:28.000 So as a fighter, that's not a concern to me in a street fight situation.
00:12:33.000 When you bring that up, But I know it can happen.
00:12:36.000 I mean, it happened in some of the early UFCs.
00:12:38.000 These guys would break their hands on skulls.
00:12:40.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:12:41.000 Is it unrealistic to put gloves on someone and tape their wrist up?
00:12:44.000 We don't give them any other advantage for striking any other way.
00:12:47.000 You don't let them cast up your ankles or do something where you protect your shins and make it easier for you to kick hard.
00:12:55.000 Because if you had some sort of spandex thing with a shin pad, like the same sort of...
00:13:03.000 Yeah.
00:13:12.000 Yeah.
00:13:28.000 Your hands are getting hurt.
00:13:30.000 Guys will lose fights simply because they can't continue going into the second round sometimes.
00:13:35.000 Will that be the case or will it change their style?
00:13:38.000 It will definitely change the style, but without having the gloves and hand wraps and that stuff there, there is going to be those times when it's just going to bring the number down.
00:13:49.000 It's not going to stop it though.
00:13:51.000 I agree.
00:13:53.000 I mean, I think if I wanted to look at it in terms of just pure entertainment value, I'd say leave it the way it is.
00:13:59.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:14:00.000 Change downward elbows.
00:14:02.000 Maybe add a couple other things.
00:14:04.000 Yeah, some things.
00:14:05.000 I like the pride rules, man.
00:14:06.000 Yeah, pride rules are bad.
00:14:08.000 I still like pride rules.
00:14:09.000 Including with the judging, the pride rules.
00:14:11.000 Judge the whole fight.
00:14:11.000 Judge the whole fight.
00:14:12.000 I agree with that.
00:14:13.000 I like that.
00:14:14.000 I agree with that.
00:14:14.000 And I think...
00:14:16.000 More judges.
00:14:19.000 I think that's a big one.
00:14:21.000 I was talking about that with Pat Miletic the other day.
00:14:22.000 We're saying five judges or more.
00:14:25.000 Why only three?
00:14:26.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:14:27.000 I agree.
00:14:28.000 With more judges, you'll get a little more diversity.
00:14:30.000 Also, though, I think you've got to change the scoring criteria.
00:14:36.000 I mean, we are using a boxing criteria, but when you talk about wrestling, I see guys go, oh, he scores a takedown.
00:14:42.000 When a guy goes down, he pops right back up.
00:14:44.000 I'm like, it's not a takedown.
00:14:45.000 It's not two.
00:14:46.000 Right.
00:14:46.000 It's not two.
00:14:47.000 So, like, why can't we implement some of the things?
00:14:50.000 Because we're taking aspects of all these different styles of fighting.
00:14:53.000 Like, the scoring system and the values for things should come from that to some degree.
00:14:59.000 Yeah, a takedown with an immediate stand-up.
00:15:02.000 Like, if someone takes you down, you're right back up.
00:15:03.000 That is not a whole lot different than you blocking a kick.
00:15:06.000 Yeah.
00:15:07.000 You know, does blocking a kick count?
00:15:08.000 If you get your knee up and your elbow up and you catch one right here, are you counting that as something that got through?
00:15:13.000 Yeah.
00:15:14.000 Right?
00:15:14.000 No, you're not.
00:15:15.000 You know who does?
00:15:16.000 Greg Jackson.
00:15:17.000 He's a great coach, man.
00:15:19.000 He counts that?
00:15:20.000 So I think he does this psychological thing.
00:15:22.000 I'm letting the cat out of the bag with this one.
00:15:25.000 Because I'm in the cage with Isaac Valley Flag, and Isaac throws a kick, and I block it.
00:15:30.000 And Greg's like, it's a great kick, Isaac.
00:15:31.000 Great kick, Ike.
00:15:32.000 That landed.
00:15:33.000 And then he does something else, and it doesn't affect me, but he's cheering him on like it does.
00:15:38.000 And I'm like, is he doing that for the judges?
00:15:42.000 And I went back to the corner.
00:15:44.000 I told Mike.
00:15:44.000 I was like, Mike, he's cheering him on, kind of getting the judges on his side.
00:15:48.000 Mike's like, don't worry about that.
00:15:49.000 This is what you need to do.
00:15:50.000 Yeah, you got to get that shit out of your head.
00:15:52.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:15:52.000 For sure.
00:15:53.000 But if he's right there, if you see where one corner is and then the other corner is, when the fight is not going on, they're over there by the stairs, the judge is right there.
00:16:04.000 The judge is just a few feet over.
00:16:05.000 And if they're like enthusiastic, like, yes, you got it, you got it, you got it.
00:16:09.000 Those judges, a certain percent, let's say 30, don't know what the fuck they're watching.
00:16:13.000 And so they're very susceptible.
00:16:16.000 Can we say a name?
00:16:16.000 No, let's not say any names, because I know what we'd say.
00:16:19.000 We'd all say the same name, unfortunately.
00:16:22.000 Nice lady.
00:16:23.000 Anyway, this...
00:16:25.000 This fucking situation, there should be way better judges for sure.
00:16:30.000 I think guys who are former fighters, guys who are martial arts experts, guys who really care about the sport, you have no shortage of them.
00:16:39.000 You can go to any MMA school, any jujitsu school, any kickboxing school.
00:16:43.000 Any website.
00:16:43.000 Any website, all across the country, and you will find hundreds and hundreds of qualified candidates.
00:16:49.000 People that will tell you why that's a bad decision.
00:16:52.000 People that will tell you why that doesn't work.
00:16:54.000 People that will tell you why this shouldn't mean anything.
00:16:56.000 And we don't have that right now for no reason.
00:16:59.000 There's like zero reason.
00:17:00.000 It doesn't make any sense.
00:17:02.000 It's not like, well, man, there's not enough money.
00:17:04.000 Like, what?
00:17:05.000 No, there's enough money for it.
00:17:07.000 This is crazy.
00:17:08.000 This is no reason.
00:17:09.000 It's not like, well, you know, water is wet and that's just how it goes.
00:17:12.000 No.
00:17:13.000 I think it would be a good thing also now that like the second generation, I have like in my head I have this three generations of MMA and that's where we are now in the third starting to move into the fourth.
00:17:25.000 And I feel like with the first two generations being done pretty much, like there's a lot of guys that are highly qualified to judge.
00:17:34.000 Way more.
00:17:34.000 You know?
00:17:35.000 I mean the sport is giant.
00:17:38.000 Yeah.
00:17:38.000 There's so many good writers out there.
00:17:41.000 Yep.
00:17:41.000 If you read MMA articles, they're really good writing in a lot of these mainstream websites.
00:17:47.000 It's like a lot of experts out there talking about stuff.
00:17:50.000 That's why a fight like Next Weekend is so fascinating.
00:17:54.000 Because between Tony and Khabib, nobody knows what the fuck is going to happen.
00:17:59.000 It's one of those fights where everybody's like, damn, I don't know.
00:18:02.000 And you've got all these people breaking it down on one side, and then you've got people making compelling arguments on the other side, and you're like...
00:18:07.000 Hmm, okay.
00:18:09.000 This one's going to be weird.
00:18:11.000 I've been bouncing back and forth between my pick for that fight, but I guess because I've been bouncing back and forth, this isn't necessarily where I'm going to stay, but I feel like...
00:18:23.000 Okay, I don't see how that can change.
00:18:25.000 But again, like you said, there are people that are making these arguments.
00:18:28.000 And if somebody convinces me of something that kind of defeats this argument, then it's like, man, now you open the door for this again.
00:18:35.000 And what I think is like, my first thought was, Khabib is this guy, he takes everybody down, and he controls you and beats you up.
00:18:42.000 And you think he's going to do that.
00:18:44.000 But Tony is this guy, he just does not, he's like one of these submission first kind of guys.
00:18:49.000 Remember that argument, submission or Tony isn't too worried about position.
00:18:52.000 He'll create scrambles.
00:18:53.000 He's aware of where he is at all times and what he's giving up.
00:18:57.000 So I feel like he would just continue to scramble.
00:19:00.000 He'd be able to get back to his feet at least.
00:19:03.000 And then I go back to Khabib and seeing Tony against Kevin Lee.
00:19:06.000 And Kevin Lee kind of controlled him early in that fight.
00:19:09.000 He was able to pass his guard and do some good controlling things.
00:19:13.000 Now, if a guy like Khabib can do that, then he's not getting back up.
00:19:17.000 And Khabib is going to be able to take him now.
00:19:19.000 He is the best wrestler in the game.
00:19:22.000 Without a doubt.
00:19:23.000 Good arguments.
00:19:25.000 Good arguments.
00:19:25.000 You know, I think another argument is that when Kevin Lee fought Tony, I think everybody knew Kevin had a staph infection.
00:19:32.000 I knew.
00:19:32.000 I saw him walking in the cage.
00:19:34.000 I looked at his chest.
00:19:35.000 I was like, holy shit, that guy's got staph.
00:19:37.000 I knew he was going to be weak.
00:19:38.000 I knew, compared to the Kevin Lee, the destroyer that you see when he's on point and in shape, I was like, this guy's going to be compromised.
00:19:46.000 And he's also a big 155, so it's a hard cut for him.
00:19:50.000 Whereas Tony makes it, I mean, Tony can get pretty heavy, but he's super disciplined, he makes it easy.
00:19:55.000 Tony's endurance, his endurance is off the charts.
00:19:58.000 Off the charts.
00:19:59.000 Impeccable.
00:20:00.000 He was posting the other day that he went on a six-mile run at one o'clock in the morning.
00:20:04.000 He's like, extra credit.
00:20:05.000 He wrote hashtag extra credit.
00:20:06.000 I mean, he's an animal.
00:20:08.000 I mean, Eddie Bravo trains them up there in Big Bear all the time.
00:20:11.000 He says he's never seen anything like it.
00:20:12.000 So the dude is just, everybody else is like pacing everybody up the hill, coming back down.
00:20:17.000 They're still trying to make it up the first time.
00:20:18.000 He's running past them the second time.
00:20:19.000 He's a fucking animal.
00:20:21.000 He wants it.
00:20:21.000 Oh, he wants it bad.
00:20:23.000 But so, he knew that Kevin going into that fight was compromised.
00:20:26.000 So if he knew Kevin was compromised, maybe he decided to just let him work.
00:20:31.000 Let him work that first round.
00:20:32.000 And Kevin's no joke.
00:20:34.000 Kevin's fucking dangerous.
00:20:35.000 He's very skilled.
00:20:36.000 Very skilled, very aggressive, very strong, very dangerous.
00:20:40.000 So Tony, he got in bad positions in that fight, though.
00:20:44.000 Didn't he get mounted in the first round?
00:20:45.000 He got mounted.
00:20:46.000 His guy got passed pretty easily early in the fight.
00:20:51.000 But that's crazy, because if he did take that time off, even knowing that a guy like Kevin Lee was compromised...
00:21:00.000 That's still a high-level guy to be, I'm going to take this time off, be a little bit lax.
00:21:06.000 Yeah, who knows?
00:21:07.000 I mean, it might just have been Kevin is that good.
00:21:09.000 I really wish that fight took place with Kevin healthy.
00:21:12.000 Really wish that fight took place with Kevin.
00:21:14.000 I think Kevin is an interesting guy because he talks a lot of shit.
00:21:18.000 He's really aggressive.
00:21:20.000 He fights well.
00:21:21.000 He looks the part.
00:21:22.000 When you look at him, he's fucking jacked, you know?
00:21:25.000 That's a bad break for a dude like that.
00:21:27.000 He had like a golf ball grown out of his tit.
00:21:30.000 That was crazy.
00:21:31.000 I mean, it could happen again relatively soon depending on how his fight with Barboza goes.
00:21:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:38.000 That's an interesting fight for Barboza too.
00:21:40.000 Barboza's got to recover from that mauling that Khabib put on him.
00:21:43.000 That was horrendous.
00:21:45.000 That's their common opponent, too, with Tony.
00:21:47.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:21:49.000 And I want to look back at the Barbosa fight, but when I did look at it, he defended some of those takedowns early.
00:21:58.000 And I mean, it's against Khabib.
00:21:59.000 Now, yes, you're going to be the strongest in the first round, but still, there's not a lot of people defending Khabib's takedowns.
00:22:07.000 No.
00:22:08.000 There's a great New York Times article that was just on.
00:22:13.000 Three or four days ago about wrestlers from Dagestan.
00:22:16.000 Yeah, and about how wrestling is their way out Because so many of them trying to prove themselves they wind up joining those Islamic terrorist groups and that these coaches try to take these young aggressive kids and Give them something something else and give them another alternative really really well written article interesting stuff about Like,
00:22:40.000 how powerful these guys are and how young they get him into it.
00:22:44.000 And when you see Khabib, the thing about him is like he's not doing different things than everybody else.
00:22:50.000 You know what I mean?
00:22:51.000 Like, some people are doing different things.
00:22:54.000 Like, Wonderboy's doing different things.
00:22:56.000 Like, he stands totally sideways, his hands are down, he's throwing front leg sidekicks.
00:23:00.000 He's doing a lot of different things.
00:23:02.000 You're like, oh, okay, this is a new thing to adjust to.
00:23:05.000 Khabib's doing standard shit, but he's just doing it at not just a notch, but several notches past what everybody else is doing.
00:23:15.000 I think that's the thing about these Dagestani guys.
00:23:18.000 It's crazy because this American wrestling style, folk style wrestling of being on top and having that control, that's a big deal.
00:23:25.000 But Nick Lentz, that's one of his strengths.
00:23:27.000 When Nick gets on top of you, it's like a dwarf.
00:23:31.000 He's not going anywhere.
00:23:32.000 But he can also escape that a lot of guys.
00:23:35.000 Same thing with Mike Brown.
00:23:36.000 But Nick Lance got ridden out in the fight in Brooklyn.
00:23:41.000 I forget which card.
00:23:42.000 Holly Holmes and Jermaine Durandamy.
00:23:46.000 You know, that card.
00:23:47.000 He won by guillotine, right?
00:23:48.000 No, Lentz lost.
00:23:50.000 Which one?
00:23:50.000 Which fight?
00:23:50.000 I forget who he fought.
00:23:52.000 I forget he fought a Dagestani guy.
00:23:54.000 Oh, right.
00:23:54.000 But he just got ridden out against his own style.
00:23:57.000 Like, that's what I'm saying.
00:23:58.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.
00:23:58.000 These guys are better at what the American style is.
00:24:02.000 But, like, for something like that, I want to see one of those guys against a guy like Gregor Gillespie.
00:24:07.000 Yes.
00:24:07.000 You know?
00:24:08.000 Because that style of wrestling, of being on top and grinding on you...
00:24:11.000 That's a high-level wrestler like that.
00:24:14.000 A four-time All-American national champion kind of guy with that kind of conditioning who's not going to break.
00:24:20.000 I want to see that battle.
00:24:22.000 Because that'll be like a national championship with two guys that can punch and kick a bit.
00:24:28.000 Well, like a guy like Jordan Burroughs.
00:24:29.000 Jordan Burroughs getting into MMA. What happens when he fights one of those Dagestani guys?
00:24:34.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:24:35.000 But see, there's Dagestani guys, and then there's Khabib.
00:24:39.000 He's another notch above them.
00:24:41.000 He's a notch above them.
00:24:42.000 There's a lot of those guys that are real good.
00:24:44.000 They're real tough.
00:24:46.000 But he's another level.
00:24:48.000 He is a scary level.
00:24:49.000 When you see him on top of guys, like especially the Michael Johnson, that was...
00:24:54.000 Helpless.
00:24:54.000 That was mauling, man.
00:24:56.000 Horrifying.
00:24:57.000 And having a conversation with him.
00:24:59.000 Pleading with him to give up.
00:25:01.000 You must quit title shot this man.
00:25:03.000 You know title shot they deserve.
00:25:05.000 Bam!
00:25:05.000 And he's got his arm tied behind his back.
00:25:08.000 He's punched him in the face.
00:25:09.000 It's horrific.
00:25:10.000 It's horrific.
00:25:11.000 I mean, he can do shit to you that, like, it's like white belt, black belt, beat ups.
00:25:16.000 Yeah, against the best guys in the world.
00:25:18.000 Against the best guys in the world.
00:25:19.000 Michael Johnson, but Michael Johnson clipped him though.
00:25:22.000 But here's the thing about that fight, which is interesting to me.
00:25:25.000 Khabib came into that fight with the same problem he went into the Tony Ferguson fight that was cancelled.
00:25:29.000 He cut too much weight and his liver apparently shut down, making weight for that fight.
00:25:35.000 So then they went into the next fight, and he didn't make weight at all.
00:25:39.000 He got rushed to the hospital.
00:25:40.000 Then he hires a nutritionist, looks fucking fantastic against Barboza, has zero problems making weight.
00:25:46.000 Now he's got it all under control.
00:25:47.000 But you've got to wonder, if he was compromised in the Michael Johnson fight, how much of a factor did that play?
00:25:54.000 Into him getting stunned.
00:25:55.000 Yeah, he got clipped.
00:25:57.000 And you know as well as anybody that when you're dehydrated, or you have been dehydrated, you just don't take a punch as well.
00:26:03.000 Yeah.
00:26:04.000 Dehydration, conditioning, those things help you recover when you're hydrated and your conditioning is up to par.
00:26:12.000 Yeah, I don't know.
00:26:13.000 You've seen him take some punches.
00:26:15.000 He always backs guys up.
00:26:16.000 He's always coming forward.
00:26:17.000 And he does eat a lot of shots coming forward.
00:26:20.000 But...
00:26:21.000 You know, if his conditioning is fine, then that's the only time that I can remember him getting hurt in a fight from taking shots.
00:26:26.000 Like the same thing with Barbosa.
00:26:28.000 Barbosa was throwing at him hard.
00:26:29.000 Hard.
00:26:29.000 You know, especially early.
00:26:31.000 Walked it off.
00:26:31.000 Walked off everything.
00:26:32.000 He's like a zombie.
00:26:33.000 He got wheel kicked a couple times.
00:26:35.000 It's nothing.
00:26:35.000 Yeah.
00:26:36.000 Clubbed in the back of the head with wheel kicks.
00:26:37.000 Nope.
00:26:38.000 Sorry.
00:26:38.000 Not today.
00:26:41.000 Just constantly charging forward, man.
00:26:43.000 He's a fucking tank.
00:26:45.000 Terrifying guy.
00:26:46.000 Yeah.
00:26:46.000 But this is the fight.
00:26:48.000 To me, that's most intriguing other than him fighting Conor.
00:26:50.000 Him fighting Conor for the name value is like chaos, right?
00:26:53.000 Like, holy shit.
00:26:54.000 Like, they might do that if he wins.
00:26:56.000 That'd be awesome to do that in Russia.
00:26:57.000 Dude, if they do that in Russia, Conor better bring his own food.
00:27:01.000 I'll tell you that.
00:27:03.000 He better bring some fucking corned beef and cabbage right from the motherland.
00:27:06.000 You don't want to take any chances.
00:27:09.000 Yeah.
00:27:09.000 But when Khabib...
00:27:13.000 When Khabib's fighting Tony, the thing about Tony is that Tony's so creative.
00:27:18.000 He's very unpredictable.
00:27:20.000 He might step in and throw an upward elbow.
00:27:24.000 He'll do all kinds of weird shit.
00:27:25.000 He'll do Gramby rolls on you.
00:27:27.000 He'll die for a leg.
00:27:28.000 He might try to take Khabib down.
00:27:30.000 Who knows what he's going to do?
00:27:31.000 In stand-up, he's got legit knockout power.
00:27:34.000 Legit.
00:27:35.000 And he can take a shot.
00:27:36.000 Rolls with punches real well.
00:27:38.000 Doesn't mind when he gets hit hard.
00:27:39.000 He just kind of rolls with shit.
00:27:41.000 Comes back.
00:27:42.000 Like the Barboza fight.
00:27:43.000 The Barboza fight with him was a very interesting fight.
00:27:46.000 Yeah.
00:27:46.000 That fight was fun to watch.
00:27:48.000 I can't remember all the details right now, but I remember tweeting, man, I'm watching this and these guys are savages.
00:27:56.000 I can't believe I fought one of these dudes.
00:27:59.000 I bet Daddy Castillo is like, man, I fought them both.
00:28:05.000 But yeah, that fight was fun to watch, and that's that common opponent thing that you say.
00:28:11.000 I don't know.
00:28:12.000 It's one of those things also, though, because you know the rule.
00:28:15.000 Fighter A, B, C, that thing doesn't play out.
00:28:18.000 Like Stout beats...
00:28:19.000 Jeremy Stevens beats Stout, I beat Jeremy.
00:28:22.000 And Stout beats me.
00:28:24.000 It's this crazy...
00:28:25.000 Crazy thing where it just doesn't add up.
00:28:27.000 It doesn't add up.
00:28:28.000 MMA math just doesn't work.
00:28:30.000 It's one of the reasons why someone like Khabib is so impressive.
00:28:34.000 It's because he beats everybody.
00:28:36.000 Everyone.
00:28:37.000 Undefeated.
00:28:37.000 Who the fuck is undefeated at that level of the game?
00:28:40.000 I think he has 25 victories.
00:28:42.000 25-0.
00:28:43.000 25-0.
00:28:43.000 Him and...
00:28:45.000 That's the other thing.
00:28:46.000 I still call him undefeated.
00:28:49.000 John Jones?
00:28:50.000 He's undefeated in my book.
00:28:51.000 That's nonsense.
00:28:52.000 You don't win when you get smashed.
00:28:54.000 Exactly.
00:28:54.000 He dominated that fight 100%.
00:28:56.000 It's a goofy rule, and I don't even know if he totally violated it.
00:29:01.000 I mean, he's trying to get through the guard while he's finishing a guy.
00:29:05.000 The guy's covering up.
00:29:07.000 Stupid.
00:29:08.000 It makes me mad.
00:29:09.000 I feel like I hit a nerve with that one.
00:29:10.000 The 12-6 elbow makes me mad.
00:29:13.000 Because it makes me mad because it's still there.
00:29:14.000 Because they changed the rules.
00:29:16.000 They went through this new unified rule system.
00:29:18.000 I'm like, oh, this is good.
00:29:19.000 We have some new regulations as far as putting your hand on the mat and taking a knee.
00:29:25.000 When can you hit a guy with a knee?
00:29:26.000 Now it's one hand.
00:29:28.000 Now you can do it with one hand.
00:29:29.000 Great.
00:29:29.000 I like that.
00:29:31.000 What?
00:29:31.000 12-6 elbow still in?
00:29:34.000 See, here's what I've learned since I've retired is that all of these formulas fit into something else.
00:29:41.000 So right now you're like, well, you change this one thing.
00:29:44.000 Well, all of this other shit is wrong.
00:29:45.000 Well, you look at society and you look at the world, right?
00:29:48.000 And like these little changes are what happens.
00:29:51.000 It's never everything that's wrong isn't fixed at all times.
00:29:55.000 It's always this one little thing is fixed.
00:29:57.000 This other little thing is fixed.
00:29:58.000 This other little thing is fixed.
00:29:59.000 You know what I mean?
00:30:00.000 Right.
00:30:00.000 So it's gonna take a while.
00:30:01.000 It'll happen eventually, but man, there should be something that changes every year.
00:30:07.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:30:08.000 I think they've gotta figure out something with eye pokes.
00:30:11.000 Yeah.
00:30:14.000 I feel like there's, I think some, I don't know, it may have been you.
00:30:18.000 I feel like it was an announcer or a commentator or something talking about it.
00:30:21.000 But having like a glove just that covers the fingers, but it doesn't really change anything.
00:30:26.000 Even so much so that like it's a webbing.
00:30:30.000 Yes.
00:30:30.000 And that your fingers are still virtually individual, you know, but you can bring them all down together or you can just put those...
00:30:36.000 Those two are on and these two are going to be tugged at, but it takes no effort.
00:30:39.000 You know what I mean?
00:30:41.000 Some things are covering like that with the padding over the front so that it doesn't go in the eyes as a single point.
00:30:49.000 Is there anybody even playing with prototypes or something like that and doing an exhibition or demonstration?
00:30:57.000 It's a good question.
00:30:58.000 I haven't seen anything compelling.
00:30:59.000 I haven't seen anybody come up with anything.
00:31:01.000 Yeah, it was my idea.
00:31:02.000 My idea was to have it like Like a like a old-school bag glove.
00:31:08.000 Yeah, yeah, you know like Joe Lewis with those old-school bag gloves It's a very thin glove that would like cover the tips and they used to hit the bag with them back in like the fucking 20s Yeah, it was just like leather.
00:31:19.000 Yeah, and then maybe maybe that's what it is like um Keep still the love and just kind of a topping of that type thing with it.
00:31:27.000 That makes so much sense Yeah, why would the tips of the fingers like you don't you?
00:31:31.000 In grappling, you never use individual fingers.
00:31:34.000 You cup.
00:31:35.000 Everything is done like this.
00:31:36.000 It wouldn't change anything.
00:31:37.000 Nothing at all.
00:31:38.000 It wouldn't change a single thing.
00:31:40.000 The only thing it changes is...
00:31:42.000 yeah because it doesn't even change this grip no it makes it better honestly you have more grip yeah like if it's like uh you know like um a suede type material like something that's a little rough you could actually get good grip yeah that's true it would help grappling because gloves definitely hurt some submissions they get in the way of rear naked chokes it's one of the reasons why george's submission over bisping Was so impressive because he went this way.
00:32:09.000 He went deep back of the hand to the back of the neck the real way, which sometimes you don't see because the guy can't get the glove in there.
00:32:16.000 Yeah, that's the one that's on the display image of jujitsu chokes.
00:32:22.000 Yeah, I mean that one was fucking tight.
00:32:25.000 That was crazy to watch George do that.
00:32:28.000 But yeah, they've got to figure out something.
00:32:30.000 You don't need to have these open.
00:32:31.000 It doesn't affect wrist control.
00:32:33.000 It doesn't affect any kind of grappling.
00:32:35.000 In fact, it would make it better.
00:32:37.000 What is Bellator?
00:32:40.000 Yeah, Bellator has done what Pride did, where they curved it.
00:32:44.000 I like it.
00:32:44.000 They're using Everlast.
00:32:46.000 Everlast is their glove manufacturer.
00:32:47.000 Obviously, they make fucking killer shit.
00:32:50.000 But what they're doing is having it so it's more difficult to open your fingers up.
00:32:56.000 That's a smart move.
00:32:58.000 It's a little thicker, too.
00:33:00.000 And you didn't see a lot of eye pokes and pride.
00:33:03.000 No, you didn't.
00:33:04.000 That's the point, right?
00:33:05.000 Yeah.
00:33:07.000 The UFC, those gloves, it's almost harder to close than it is to open them.
00:33:13.000 Yeah, and...
00:33:15.000 I don't know.
00:33:16.000 I feel like maybe it was just the commission, but I feel like, you know, you always break your gloves in.
00:33:20.000 You try to break them in a little bit because they're stiff when you first get them.
00:33:23.000 They're new.
00:33:24.000 But there was at least one commission.
00:33:25.000 They wouldn't even let us, like, you know, break the gloves in.
00:33:28.000 They wouldn't give you the gloves.
00:33:29.000 You didn't get them until you put them on.
00:33:32.000 That must be some amateur shit.
00:33:34.000 Like some commission that doesn't know what they're doing yet.
00:33:36.000 You know what commission doesn't know what they're doing?
00:33:38.000 Not the commission.
00:33:39.000 The hospitals after the fight itself in New York.
00:33:44.000 Really?
00:33:44.000 Man, in Brooklyn, I had the crazy...
00:33:47.000 Well, I had.
00:33:48.000 It wasn't me.
00:33:48.000 Dustin Poirier had the craziest trip.
00:33:51.000 So after that fight with Jim Miller, with all those shin kicks, they both went to the hospital with the calf kicks.
00:33:57.000 And Dustin's calf and shin was swollen and they were giving him some morphine in the truck.
00:34:03.000 We got there and the doctor came in and they wanted to perform a surgery on him there.
00:34:09.000 They wanted to slice his shin open.
00:34:12.000 And relieve the pressure because they were saying, you're going to lose nerve tissue and your nerves are going to die.
00:34:19.000 And when they go, there's no coming back.
00:34:23.000 You can't fix those things.
00:34:27.000 They were really pushing for this thing.
00:34:29.000 It was a crazy situation, right?
00:34:30.000 So we're like, hey, Dustin, man.
00:34:32.000 And then I called Mike Brown back there and we started having this discussion about...
00:34:36.000 It's just like, it's leg kicks.
00:34:38.000 We've seen this all the time in the thigh and whatnot.
00:34:40.000 No.
00:34:41.000 And Dustin's like, yeah, I don't want to do that.
00:34:44.000 Then they started, he was like, yeah, I want to get out of here, basically.
00:34:47.000 And he was like, can I just have something for the pain?
00:34:49.000 And it felt like they were like, no.
00:34:51.000 They said, no, we're not going to let you leave here on pain medication.
00:34:55.000 And I felt like they were trying to entice him to stay with fucking pain medication.
00:35:00.000 It was just a really weird situation.
00:35:03.000 And we were there for way too long and they were really pushing for this.
00:35:07.000 Like three or four different doctors came in trying to convince him to get this surgery done.
00:35:13.000 Wow.
00:35:14.000 It was crazy.
00:35:15.000 Just for some swelling?
00:35:16.000 Just swelling in the calf.
00:35:18.000 That doesn't make any sense.
00:35:20.000 It doesn't.
00:35:22.000 Why would they think that it would cause nerve damage to have so much swelling?
00:35:28.000 The swelling was pushing up against the blood vessel, supposedly, and there wasn't circulation coming through.
00:35:36.000 That's what was happening.
00:35:37.000 This is over a year ago, so I'm trying to remember exactly, and I'm not a doctor.
00:35:46.000 But the swelling, and they were asking him about, because he was having some loss of sensation, right?
00:35:52.000 In his toes.
00:35:53.000 But he had just fought, you know?
00:35:56.000 And they'd given him morphine and all this other stuff.
00:35:58.000 So they were no poking at his toes with a pin or something.
00:36:00.000 You feel that?
00:36:01.000 You feel that?
00:36:01.000 And he's like, yeah, a little bit.
00:36:03.000 No.
00:36:03.000 You know, all these different answers.
00:36:05.000 And they claimed to be concerned about it.
00:36:08.000 They were telling him that this is a possibility, and this is what's going to happen, and we want to prevent it.
00:36:14.000 They weren't like, well, this is guaranteed that this is what's going on.
00:36:17.000 This is just the realistic possibility and we want to prevent it.
00:36:21.000 He wanted to wait as long as possible and they just seemed to be really pushy about wanting to do this.
00:36:28.000 So where were they going to make the incision?
00:36:30.000 In the shin.
00:36:34.000 Up the shin.
00:36:35.000 How big?
00:36:36.000 It was big.
00:36:37.000 It was as long as my phone.
00:36:39.000 What?
00:36:40.000 So that's why we were like, yeah, this is kind of crazy.
00:36:43.000 And they would just want to drain it?
00:36:45.000 And they want to drain it.
00:36:46.000 They want to release the pressure, right?
00:36:48.000 And then they were like, well, there's a test that we can do.
00:36:51.000 Can't really see it from that angle.
00:36:53.000 It was so much worse in the hospital.
00:36:55.000 Yeah, it was nasty.
00:36:55.000 They were like, there's a...
00:36:57.000 When Dustin was like, I don't like that idea.
00:37:00.000 I don't want to do that.
00:37:01.000 And they were like, I don't think that...
00:37:02.000 Let's just wait.
00:37:02.000 And they were like, well, there's a thing that we can do, but we have to take a needle.
00:37:07.000 They wanted to take a long needle, stick it into his leg, pass the bone into the muscle, and do a pressure test on it.
00:37:14.000 What?
00:37:15.000 And he was like, yeah, I don't like...
00:37:16.000 It was crazy because he doesn't like needles, right?
00:37:19.000 Dustin hates needles.
00:37:21.000 Covered in tattoos.
00:37:22.000 Yeah.
00:37:23.000 Fights for a living, scared of needles.
00:37:25.000 I'm the same way about needles, but I don't have the tattoos that kid has.
00:37:28.000 But he's just like, I don't want to do that.
00:37:30.000 I don't want, like, he's like, no, because the needle, they wanted, it would have been this much inside his shit.
00:37:35.000 That much needles.
00:37:36.000 Yeah, I don't know how long it would have been, but it was, it was, yeah, it wasn't just, like, looking for a vein.
00:37:42.000 And they were just testing for pressure?
00:37:44.000 They were, like, talking, they were saying they wanted to test.
00:37:47.000 Tire gauge in there and shit?
00:37:48.000 Exactly.
00:37:49.000 What are they doing?
00:37:53.000 So, anyway, it didn't happen.
00:37:55.000 Dustin started getting frustrated, and they were really pushing for it.
00:38:00.000 It was late at night, and I don't think I was helping the situation, because I was like, these guys are probably interns.
00:38:06.000 They're probably back there with a chart, and they get bonus points for whatever surgery they get.
00:38:12.000 You never know, man.
00:38:14.000 People are really skeptical about that kind of stuff.
00:38:16.000 But, I mean...
00:38:20.000 They definitely do surgeries on people that you don't have to.
00:38:22.000 Some doctors do.
00:38:23.000 It definitely can happen.
00:38:25.000 You would hope that you're not running into one of those doctors, but they have done it before.
00:38:28.000 Yeah.
00:38:29.000 I mean, there's a doctor that just got arrested recently, and there was a whole story about all the different surgeries that he did that he didn't have to do.
00:38:38.000 And including cancer surgeries.
00:38:40.000 Like he removed cancer on people that didn't even have cancer.
00:38:43.000 Yeah.
00:38:43.000 Yeah, that's a scam.
00:38:45.000 Doctor starts driving a fat Mercedes.
00:38:47.000 Gotta make those payments.
00:38:49.000 He should have just got into the plastic surgery business.
00:38:51.000 I know, right?
00:38:52.000 You can talk those crazy ladies into anything.
00:38:55.000 Anything and everything.
00:38:56.000 You need to take some of that meat out of your butt and put it in your lips.
00:38:59.000 Yeah, that's the move.
00:39:02.000 Meaty butt lips.
00:39:05.000 So, were they icing the shin the entire time?
00:39:07.000 They were.
00:39:08.000 They had ice on it.
00:39:09.000 They had a drip, like a morphine drip to kill the pain.
00:39:12.000 Why didn't they just wait a couple days?
00:39:15.000 Why do they want to just go right into it right now?
00:39:17.000 They wanted to do it that night.
00:39:20.000 That seems so weird.
00:39:21.000 The reason why they didn't want to wait was because when the nerve damage happens, when the nerves die, that's it.
00:39:28.000 They're dead.
00:39:29.000 There's no way to bring those things back.
00:39:34.000 Man.
00:39:35.000 I just...
00:39:36.000 I wonder.
00:39:38.000 I wonder if that's right.
00:39:39.000 I don't want to be talking shit about the doctors.
00:39:42.000 It's not right because...
00:39:44.000 Dustin fought again after that, and he's still fighting, and he's fighting in a few weeks.
00:39:48.000 Like, when was his leg better?
00:39:51.000 Shoot, he got on the plane the next day.
00:39:53.000 So I had had, real quick, a little side note.
00:39:56.000 I had had some problems.
00:39:57.000 I was helping him for that camp, and I had an injury, and I got Tylenol with codeine in it.
00:40:04.000 And, man, that stuff, that's powerful medicine.
00:40:08.000 LAUGHTER How powerful is it?
00:40:12.000 Dustin took me to the hospital.
00:40:15.000 I went in.
00:40:15.000 I was in so much pain.
00:40:17.000 They prescribed that.
00:40:18.000 I took one pill.
00:40:19.000 About 20 minutes later, this is the first time I was able to relax in three days.
00:40:25.000 The pain was so bad.
00:40:26.000 When I got to the end of my thing, I had two pills left.
00:40:31.000 I was like, I don't need them.
00:40:33.000 I'll keep them in case I get hurt again at some point, you know?
00:40:37.000 And fortunately I had them because I was like, dude, that pain that you're going through when you get on a plane, because in Japan I had busted my foot and then I had to fly 16 hours and my foot was swelling on the plane.
00:40:49.000 It's the pressure of being at high altitude.
00:40:51.000 It was miserable.
00:40:52.000 It started in my foot and my ankle and it swole up into my shin and all the way down into my toes.
00:40:58.000 So I was like, I don't want that to happen to you.
00:41:00.000 So it's going to be miserable.
00:41:02.000 Just take this with you and take a pill.
00:41:05.000 He just took one pill.
00:41:07.000 He said it was a great feeling.
00:41:08.000 It helped with the flight.
00:41:10.000 I got a hold of some of that old school NyQuil back in the day.
00:41:13.000 I've only taken it like maybe two or three times ever in my life.
00:41:17.000 But the last time I got some was like 20 years ago.
00:41:20.000 I took some, I was sick and I took old school NyQuil.
00:41:24.000 And I was lying in bed and it was like my bed was just hugging me.
00:41:28.000 My bed was made out of love.
00:41:30.000 And it was just hugging me.
00:41:31.000 And I was like, ah.
00:41:33.000 I didn't give a fuck about that cold.
00:41:35.000 I was just so relaxed.
00:41:37.000 Like, old-school NyQuil's amazing.
00:41:39.000 I remember that.
00:41:41.000 That's codeine, right?
00:41:42.000 Isn't it?
00:41:42.000 I think codeine was a NyQuil.
00:41:44.000 Ooh, it was nice.
00:41:45.000 Back in the day, Tito Ortiz, I called Tito at one point because I was real sick.
00:41:51.000 I had a fight coming up, too.
00:41:52.000 And I was like, man, I don't know what to do.
00:41:54.000 He's like, here's what you do.
00:41:55.000 You take three packs of Theraflu, and you put that in one cup of water, right?
00:42:03.000 That's some Huntington Beach doctor talk.
00:42:08.000 So he's like, you boil the water, and you pour that, and you put three TAC packs of Theraflu in there.
00:42:13.000 I was like, I started to do it, and I was like, man, Tito's a light heavyweight.
00:42:19.000 I'm going to do two.
00:42:21.000 That's a good move.
00:42:22.000 I'm glad you did that.
00:42:23.000 I'm glad I did it too.
00:42:25.000 Because I was out for 18 hours.
00:42:27.000 Wow.
00:42:28.000 I laid down, I woke up, and I felt like I just don't want to get up.
00:42:33.000 And I slept.
00:42:34.000 I was in bed for 18 hours.
00:42:36.000 I did wake up feeling better, though.
00:42:38.000 Yeah, I would imagine.
00:42:39.000 And you probably weren't thinking about the cold at all.
00:42:42.000 No.
00:42:42.000 So the stress was gone, and you're getting that rest.
00:42:45.000 You're out cold.
00:42:46.000 I know.
00:42:46.000 I was laid out.
00:42:48.000 That's one of the best arguments for cold medicine, is that they let you go to sleep.
00:42:55.000 If I'm sick and miserable, I can't fucking sleep.
00:42:58.000 But if you take something, you just fucking...
00:43:01.000 Theraflu's a good one.
00:43:02.000 It cleans you out like you can breathe, and you just conk the fuck out.
00:43:07.000 And isn't that when you...
00:43:08.000 What is this, Jamie?
00:43:09.000 That old-school NyQuil, it had pseudephedrine in it, which is what is used to make meth.
00:43:14.000 Oh, Jesus!
00:43:16.000 Doesn't meth keep you up, though?
00:43:17.000 Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
00:43:18.000 It's a stimulant, yeah.
00:43:19.000 It says pseudephedrine.
00:43:20.000 I get to Google what it was.
00:43:22.000 Yeah, but Sudafed is not NyQuil.
00:43:24.000 No, no, no.
00:43:25.000 Sudafed's very different.
00:43:26.000 Sudafed's a stimulant.
00:43:28.000 Sudafed is the stuff that cleans your nose out.
00:43:30.000 Right, right.
00:43:31.000 This is what the original NyQuil had Sudafedrin in it.
00:43:34.000 Oh, the original NyQuil.
00:43:36.000 The original green death formula NyQuil is behind the pharmacy counter now because, gasp, it has the evil Sudafedrin in it.
00:43:42.000 Oh, so you can buy that shit still?
00:43:44.000 Some people were looking at it.
00:43:45.000 I was finding an article.
00:43:46.000 Someone was looking for it in New York.
00:43:48.000 That's 2013. I gotta get a good doctor.
00:43:50.000 You might be able to find some stuff.
00:43:54.000 Interesting.
00:43:54.000 That stuff fucks you up.
00:43:56.000 Yeah.
00:43:57.000 You go deep with that stuff.
00:43:59.000 I think it's the chemical that it's mixed with.
00:44:01.000 Right.
00:44:01.000 Probably fucks them.
00:44:02.000 The pseudofedrine is probably what keeps you alive.
00:44:06.000 The codeine wants to drag you down into the grave.
00:44:08.000 The pseudephedrine shit keeps you alive.
00:44:11.000 That's the thing about sleeping though, right?
00:44:13.000 That's when your body, everything else is off.
00:44:16.000 Yeah.
00:44:17.000 So all your body can do is heal.
00:44:19.000 You know what else happens, man?
00:44:21.000 You make good decisions.
00:44:23.000 Like, that term, sleep on it, that's not a joke.
00:44:27.000 There's something about going to sleep with a problem, waking up in the morning, and you have a new perspective.
00:44:31.000 You're like, eh, it's not that big a deal.
00:44:33.000 Or, eh, it's alright.
00:44:34.000 I don't care.
00:44:35.000 Or, you know, maybe I should do something about this.
00:44:37.000 Or maybe I should apologize.
00:44:39.000 Maybe I should, you know, something about sleeping on something, I don't know what it is, man, but it gives me a truer compass as to which direction I should go.
00:44:47.000 There's a thing about that too.
00:44:50.000 Sleeping on it, I had to teach myself some things about car mechanics.
00:44:55.000 And I had a problem.
00:44:57.000 Somebody was like, that's your alternator.
00:44:59.000 Because my engine wouldn't stay on.
00:45:01.000 I was like, really?
00:45:03.000 How much does that cost?
00:45:04.000 I was just fighting.
00:45:07.000 There was no UFC even on the horizon yet.
00:45:12.000 I'm like, how much does that cost?
00:45:14.000 I was like, too much.
00:45:15.000 Shit.
00:45:16.000 He's like, I can do it for you.
00:45:17.000 He's like, you can do it?
00:45:18.000 I was like, I can't afford that either.
00:45:20.000 But if you can do it, I'll figure it out.
00:45:22.000 So I went to the store.
00:45:24.000 I was like, hey, I need to buy an alternator for this model car.
00:45:27.000 They were like, okay.
00:45:28.000 They bring it out and they're like...
00:45:30.000 They weren't going to give it to me because you have to give them the other one back.
00:45:33.000 You have to exchange it.
00:45:34.000 Really?
00:45:34.000 Yeah.
00:45:35.000 At least this is the way it was in 2000, Texas.
00:45:38.000 Oh, okay.
00:45:39.000 But fortunately, one of the managers at that store was one of my students.
00:45:43.000 It was right across the street from my gym.
00:45:44.000 So he was like, here, you can take it.
00:45:46.000 Just bring the alternator back.
00:45:48.000 I was like, awesome, because I didn't know what an alternator was.
00:45:50.000 My plan was to grab it, go look at my engine, and find the like thing.
00:45:55.000 So that's what I did.
00:45:56.000 I found the like thing.
00:45:57.000 I put it in there.
00:45:58.000 I changed it.
00:45:59.000 I took the other one back, but I couldn't get the belt on.
00:46:01.000 Of course.
00:46:02.000 I did everything.
00:46:02.000 I was trying to do everything.
00:46:04.000 And somebody was like, the tensioning bolt.
00:46:05.000 And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
00:46:07.000 And I slept on it.
00:46:08.000 I went to bed that night.
00:46:09.000 I went to sleep.
00:46:10.000 And I woke up.
00:46:11.000 Ran downstairs.
00:46:13.000 Connected it.
00:46:13.000 You know?
00:46:14.000 Because overnight...
00:46:15.000 There was something about being relaxed and not being stressed about trying to find it right now.
00:46:21.000 It's right in front of me.
00:46:22.000 I'm just away from it and I see the whole engine in my sleep and it's like you put the ratchet in there and you pull on it and that's the tensioning bolt.
00:46:30.000 I have a crazy spiritual idea about that.
00:46:33.000 I think when you go to sleep you go into the spirit world.
00:46:36.000 When you come back you're refreshed.
00:46:38.000 I think you live a new life every morning.
00:46:41.000 I think you live on the momentum of your past life, but I think you have a new life every morning.
00:46:46.000 You just return from the spirit world with the mess that you left behind.
00:46:49.000 You gotta clean it up.
00:46:51.000 Clean it up and figure it out.
00:46:52.000 And like, oh yeah, yeah, I should have just cranked that bolt over there.
00:46:55.000 Okay.
00:46:56.000 It all makes sense.
00:46:57.000 There's something to that, because I got some stuff going on now where I'm just like, when I wake up the next day, I'm like, you know what?
00:47:03.000 It's not that big of a deal.
00:47:04.000 It's not that big of a deal.
00:47:06.000 Most things are not that big of a deal.
00:47:08.000 If you're still alive and you're walking around and talking, ultimately it's not that big of a deal.
00:47:13.000 I give things like the 10-year test.
00:47:16.000 If you look back on 10 years, how much of a big deal was this going to be?
00:47:19.000 Not that big of a deal.
00:47:21.000 It's a fucking alternator.
00:47:23.000 Not that big of a deal.
00:47:25.000 The 10-year test is a good test.
00:47:27.000 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
00:47:29.000 Yeah.
00:47:29.000 But people operate on momentum.
00:47:31.000 That's a big problem with people.
00:47:33.000 You know, like when you go to bed, you wake up in the morning, you just still got the shit that you left behind the day before piling up and bills you got to pay and chores you got to do and all these different tasks that need to get done.
00:47:45.000 Like, fuck!
00:47:46.000 You can never get behind it.
00:47:47.000 It's a good day when you feel like, okay, everything's done, and this day is completely mine.
00:47:56.000 Yeah, man.
00:47:57.000 That's fucking...
00:47:58.000 To have a clean slate in your mind in terms of things you need to do, there's no way to underestimate that.
00:48:07.000 That's giant.
00:48:08.000 You can't under-emphasize how important that is.
00:48:11.000 Or over-emphasize, rather.
00:48:13.000 I completely agree with that.
00:48:16.000 I'm one of those guys, my brain, I feel like as soon as I wake up, first thought leads into the next, into the next, and you can't stay ahead of it.
00:48:26.000 And not staying ahead of it, you're kind of being dragged along, being pulled by these thoughts in all these different directions.
00:48:31.000 Especially when I'm trying to organize something.
00:48:33.000 Sometimes if I don't have a list or something like that, I'm not gonna get...
00:48:37.000 If I have five things to do, I'm gonna get one thing done if I don't have a list.
00:48:40.000 You know what changed a lot of my life?
00:48:43.000 I started working out early in the morning.
00:48:47.000 My day almost always starts out...
00:48:50.000 Today's one of the rare days where it didn't.
00:48:52.000 Today I'm going to work out after the podcast.
00:48:54.000 But most days I get up in the morning and I work out.
00:48:57.000 And the only reason why I didn't do it today is because everyone in my house is sick.
00:49:02.000 Everyone.
00:49:02.000 I wanted to get some sleep.
00:49:04.000 My kids are little petri dishes, man.
00:49:07.000 They're just always sick.
00:49:08.000 Everybody's sick.
00:49:10.000 So I'm the only one so far that's been able to fight it off.
00:49:13.000 And I woke up yesterday and I'm like, ooh, I got a sore throat.
00:49:16.000 Like, it's coming.
00:49:16.000 And I fought it off yesterday and I fought it off today.
00:49:19.000 I got in the sauna, chilled out.
00:49:21.000 But something changed in my life when I started working out in the morning.
00:49:26.000 My thought process became clearer.
00:49:28.000 It makes more sense.
00:49:30.000 Because I clean out my mind when I work out.
00:49:33.000 So I get up and the first thing I do is just go work out and clean up my mind.
00:49:38.000 My mind gets cleaned up.
00:49:39.000 My body's fully elevated in terms of my heart rate got jacked up.
00:49:45.000 I'm sweating like a pig.
00:49:47.000 I already strained.
00:49:48.000 I already pushed.
00:49:49.000 I already got over some shit.
00:49:50.000 I already made it to the end.
00:49:52.000 And then...
00:49:53.000 So, there's already a victory by the time it's, you know, 8 a.m.
00:49:57.000 That, to me, like, then my day just starts off way better.
00:50:01.000 Like, I start off with a clear perspective.
00:50:04.000 Yeah, I guess it's similar, especially when I was fighting, because you woke up, get a run in, eat something, head to the gym, you know, and then you train.
00:50:16.000 Did you run fasted?
00:50:19.000 Yeah, that would be the first thing I did.
00:50:21.000 I'd brush my teeth and go for a run.
00:50:23.000 I didn't like eating anything.
00:50:27.000 This is when you were living in Texas?
00:50:28.000 This is whenever.
00:50:30.000 Even to this day when I run.
00:50:33.000 Especially in Texas because in the summer, you've got to go early in the morning.
00:50:38.000 You've got to get in before it turns into a barbecue outside.
00:50:40.000 Exactly.
00:50:41.000 But what I was going to say is in Texas, you're mostly flat.
00:50:43.000 It's mostly flat.
00:50:44.000 Yeah, especially in Houston.
00:50:47.000 Austin has some hills, but Houston, the only hills in Houston are the overpasses on the highway.
00:50:54.000 Right.
00:50:54.000 But now that you're out here, man, there's some ferocious trails you can run.
00:50:57.000 Yeah.
00:50:58.000 There's a hill on my street that's a quarter mile.
00:51:01.000 Oh, that's miserable.
00:51:03.000 Yeah, this is some miserable shit in the Hollywood Hills.
00:51:05.000 Like, whoa!
00:51:06.000 Yeah, if you wanted to get at the bottom and do some sprints going up it, that's so good for your knees, too.
00:51:11.000 Because, you know, you're not really stomping down.
00:51:13.000 You know, you're pushing up.
00:51:14.000 Yeah, you're pushing up.
00:51:15.000 So it's just, it's basically like doing a bunch of lunges.
00:51:18.000 Yeah.
00:51:20.000 Yeah, you feel it in your ass.
00:51:21.000 Dude, my ass is way bigger than it used to be.
00:51:24.000 Looks good.
00:51:25.000 Yeah.
00:51:28.000 There was a drill.
00:51:30.000 I did this a couple of times.
00:51:32.000 They would incline the treadmill to its peak and turn it up to like 10 or 12 and you're sprinting for like 15 seconds.
00:51:42.000 That was miserable.
00:51:43.000 You'd feel that really, really hard.
00:51:45.000 It's great until you fall off.
00:51:47.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:51:47.000 How do you get off that fucking thing when you're sprinting?
00:51:50.000 You gotta grab the edges and hop.
00:51:51.000 Dude, you know what I just started using the other day?
00:51:53.000 It's a motherfucker.
00:51:54.000 It's that VersaClimber.
00:51:55.000 Yeah.
00:51:56.000 Woo!
00:51:58.000 Yeah.
00:51:58.000 Goddamn!
00:51:59.000 I've never been on it for an extended period of time.
00:52:02.000 Always in a circuit.
00:52:04.000 Yeah, I did it in a circuit, too.
00:52:05.000 It was the last exercise.
00:52:07.000 It's miserable.
00:52:07.000 I was like, motherfucker, this thing.
00:52:09.000 Like, you do the first two or three strokes.
00:52:12.000 You're like, I can get through this.
00:52:13.000 And then you're like, 10 in.
00:52:14.000 You're like, oh, shit.
00:52:15.000 You're like, how much time I got left?
00:52:17.000 A minute and 10 seconds.
00:52:19.000 How's that possible?
00:52:20.000 I'm like, I am not gonna make a minute and 10 seconds of this.
00:52:23.000 It feels weird because, like, with every stroke, it doesn't...
00:52:27.000 It's not heavy or hard to make the stroke.
00:52:30.000 It feels like it's nothing, but you're also going nowhere.
00:52:33.000 Right.
00:52:34.000 And it's just like you're making this motion.
00:52:37.000 And you gotta look up to read the shit.
00:52:39.000 You know, you're like, down here like this, like, how is that possible?
00:52:43.000 I've only been doing this for 15 seconds.
00:52:45.000 You know what, I like that, and there's a thing called the Echo Bike that Rogue makes that I have out here.
00:52:51.000 Holy shit, it's an Airdyne, but it's like an Airdyne built for gorillas.
00:52:56.000 Like if you're gonna put an Airdyne machine in a fucking gorilla cage, you'd make like this Rogue.
00:53:00.000 It's a thick ass fucking steel thing with thick ass handles.
00:53:04.000 Everything's like super beefy and jacked up.
00:53:06.000 God damn, that thing kicks your ass.
00:53:08.000 You gotta show me that.
00:53:09.000 I wanna try it.
00:53:10.000 It's the shit, man.
00:53:11.000 It's the shit.
00:53:12.000 I do Tabatas on that.
00:53:13.000 So I do 20s and 10s.
00:53:15.000 20 seconds work, 10 second break.
00:53:17.000 Fuck!
00:53:18.000 It's fucking hard, man.
00:53:20.000 Those air dye machines look so...
00:53:22.000 They look like nothing.
00:53:24.000 That's one of those things where you look at it, you're like, how can that be hard?
00:53:27.000 Yeah.
00:53:29.000 It's hard too when you alternate.
00:53:31.000 You know what I mean?
00:53:32.000 So you're riding them both together, but you're doing a conditioning workout and your coach is standing right there and you take your feet off of the pedals and you're pumping with your arms.
00:53:40.000 That's miserable.
00:53:41.000 That's miserable as fuck.
00:53:43.000 And I also don't like...
00:53:45.000 Not that I don't like it, but one of the in the conditioning workouts the parts that was so hard and kind of draining that I don't know what you call it, but it's the with the hydraulic presses.
00:53:54.000 Oh, yeah.
00:53:55.000 Oh, that's miserable too because every direction Yeah, like there's no rest on that machine.
00:54:00.000 Yeah, there's none It's kind of crazy when you go back and look at like old-school strength and conditioning workouts that fighters used to do and You know comparison to all the crazy shit that guys do today Who, which, which camp?
00:54:15.000 Well, it's an argument.
00:54:16.000 It's okay.
00:54:17.000 But which camps, I'll go with camps because I feel like there's two, which camps really started that, that, that, the conditioning thing?
00:54:24.000 Who were ahead of the game?
00:54:25.000 I always think of ATT. I always think of them because they were like, when Lambert created that place, Dan Lambert, the fucking man, that guy, that guy's done a lot for MMA and doesn't get his horn blown enough.
00:54:37.000 Yeah, he has.
00:54:37.000 With all due respect.
00:54:39.000 He put a shit ton of money in the American Top Team, and one of the things that they did about it was make it a full...
00:54:46.000 Like, they have everything.
00:54:48.000 They have great wrestling coaches, great striking coaches, great jiu-jitsu, huge facility, everything state-of-the-art.
00:54:54.000 And I always felt like those guys were at a very high level early on.
00:54:59.000 Like, I remember, Tiago Alves was making weight.
00:55:02.000 This was back when, like, Tiago Alves was a gorilla, man.
00:55:06.000 Remember how big he was at 170?
00:55:08.000 Remember when he fought Matthew and he didn't make the weight and he looked like he weighed about 400 pounds?
00:55:13.000 He didn't even look like a human, man.
00:55:14.000 He was so jacked.
00:55:16.000 Well, he was making weight once and it was a fight that they did, I think it was at the Hard Rock.
00:55:23.000 I don't remember.
00:55:25.000 But it was somewhere where they had, maybe it was at the Palms, somewhere where they had the smaller ring, I think.
00:55:30.000 I don't know why I remember this.
00:55:31.000 But what I remember was, he was warming up for that day's fight.
00:55:37.000 He had made weight, and then after making weight, they had a workout that they would do to put weight back on him.
00:55:46.000 And one of the things that they would do was really burn him out.
00:55:49.000 So they had him.
00:55:51.000 He was in the gym.
00:55:52.000 I wish he was here.
00:55:53.000 I could ask him exactly what this was, because I'm talking many years ago.
00:55:57.000 And he goes through this really hard pad workout.
00:56:00.000 It's like ba-ba-ba-bam!
00:56:01.000 Ba-ba-ba-bam!
00:56:02.000 Ba-ba-ba-bam!
00:56:03.000 And they were saying they wanted to pump everything up full of blood, and then they fill him up with carbs.
00:56:09.000 And it would just, everything would blow back up.
00:56:12.000 So like the muscles get super dehydrated because he's draining himself out big time.
00:56:16.000 You know, he was walking around north of 200 pounds, cutting down to 170. And then after the weight cut, they would swell him back up again.
00:56:26.000 So they got to put 30 pounds back on him in 24 hours.
00:56:29.000 And that was one of the methods that they used was exercise followed by fuel.
00:56:36.000 I guess it kind of makes sense, but it also confuses me.
00:56:40.000 Confused me too, because I'm a dummy.
00:56:42.000 And I was listening to him talking about this.
00:56:44.000 I was like, okay, okay, why is this?
00:56:45.000 Like, what's happening?
00:56:46.000 How are you doing this?
00:56:47.000 I get the principle that you're saying, but what's the science behind it?
00:56:51.000 Because that's where I'm at.
00:56:52.000 Science, he looks like a gorilla when he fights.
00:56:54.000 He really put that weight back on well.
00:56:57.000 And they had Gleason, and nobody is bigger at 155 than Gleason Tebow.
00:57:02.000 Gleason Tebow looks like a fucking light heavyweight.
00:57:05.000 He's so big, and somehow or another he makes it down to 55. Like, when he gets on the scale, it's like Yoel Romero.
00:57:12.000 When he gets on the scale, you're like, okay, am I... Seeing something wrong?
00:57:16.000 Like, how is that 185?
00:57:18.000 How's that possible?
00:57:19.000 It doesn't make sense.
00:57:20.000 Like, I'm watching him weigh in.
00:57:22.000 He is 185. The guy says 185. He steps off, and you're like, what in the fuck am I seeing?
00:57:28.000 How's that possible?
00:57:29.000 I get that.
00:57:30.000 Like, with T-Bow, I've been in the locker room with T-Bow a couple of times at ATT, and I'm like, hey, T-Bow, what are you weighing right now, man?
00:57:36.000 He's like, oh, my friend, like, 190. I'm like...
00:57:40.000 You're not 190. Get on the scale.
00:57:42.000 No, no.
00:57:43.000 He don't want to get on the scale.
00:57:44.000 I guarantee you he's like 210. Get out of here, that 190. He's so big.
00:57:48.000 He's huge.
00:57:49.000 He's so big.
00:57:51.000 Yeah, look how big he is.
00:57:52.000 Look at the fucking size of that guy!
00:57:54.000 That's a 155 pounder.
00:57:55.000 Look at the size of him!
00:57:56.000 And he's, you know, 5'8", 5'9".
00:57:59.000 Yeah.
00:57:59.000 Built like a tank.
00:58:01.000 He's so big.
00:58:03.000 He's so strong, dude.
00:58:04.000 He's the most diesel guy that I've ever seen at 155. Like, that is about as thick as...
00:58:10.000 I mean, there's no room for error there.
00:58:12.000 And he made weight a lot.
00:58:14.000 Yeah.
00:58:14.000 I mean, he might have missed it.
00:58:15.000 He missed it like once or twice.
00:58:17.000 But most of the time, T-Bow made weight.
00:58:19.000 It was miserable for him.
00:58:21.000 Well, go back to that one picture that you just showed.
00:58:23.000 Oh, it's him fighting somebody.
00:58:26.000 No, no, that one right there.
00:58:29.000 That's Traktor.
00:58:31.000 Yeah.
00:58:32.000 No, not Traktor.
00:58:33.000 No, no, no.
00:58:34.000 He just fought...
00:58:35.000 Oh, God.
00:58:37.000 Why can't I... I know who you're talking about.
00:58:39.000 Brazilian cat.
00:58:41.000 Masaromba.
00:58:41.000 What's his crazy...
00:58:42.000 Masaromba.
00:58:42.000 Yeah, what is that crazy nickname?
00:58:45.000 Goddamn it.
00:58:45.000 Why can't I remember his name?
00:58:46.000 Same here.
00:58:48.000 Trinaldo.
00:58:48.000 Francisco Trinaldo.
00:58:49.000 Yeah.
00:58:51.000 Trinaldo fought 85 at UFC Brazil.
00:58:54.000 They both did.
00:58:54.000 Did he fight 85?
00:58:55.000 Tebao fought 85, I believe.
00:58:58.000 I know he fought Nick Diaz also at 70. Crazy.
00:59:02.000 I feel like...
00:59:02.000 I don't know if Tebao fought in the UFC at 85, though.
00:59:05.000 No, I don't think he did.
00:59:06.000 Yeah.
00:59:07.000 Yeah.
00:59:07.000 But when you were saying that thing about what you said about ATT, I agree, but I mean even further back than that.
00:59:16.000 The earliest guys?
00:59:18.000 Yeah.
00:59:18.000 Frank Shamrock was one of the earliest guys.
00:59:19.000 Frank Shamrock and Miletic and those guys.
00:59:22.000 Frank Shamrock was the guy who really figured out conditioning.
00:59:24.000 Yeah.
00:59:25.000 That's how he beat Tito the first time.
00:59:27.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:59:27.000 He was so small in that fight.
00:59:29.000 He was tiny, man.
00:59:29.000 He was like 190 in that fight.
00:59:31.000 Tito was a gorilla.
00:59:33.000 He was a big fella.
00:59:35.000 Yeah.
00:59:36.000 Wore his ass out.
00:59:37.000 That was when the weight class was 200 pounds, too.
00:59:39.000 Yeah, you had to make 199. Yeah, that was the early days.
00:59:43.000 Yeah.
00:59:44.000 It was very different back then, man.
00:59:46.000 I was scrolling through Fight Pass, watching the entire events.
00:59:51.000 Then I get down to 2,000.
00:59:54.000 You're scrolling through and it's like 2017. It has all these events across the screen.
00:59:57.000 You got to scroll.
00:59:58.000 16, the same thing.
00:59:59.000 15, it starts going down.
01:00:00.000 You get to 10. It's like, it's still less, but you still got to scroll across the screen.
01:00:04.000 Then you get to like 7. You get to like 8 and it's like 5 events.
01:00:08.000 Right.
01:00:08.000 5 events.
01:00:08.000 5 events.
01:00:09.000 And that's it.
01:00:10.000 You know?
01:00:11.000 Like...
01:00:13.000 I have 21 UFC fights under my belt, but there were five UFCs a year back then.
01:00:19.000 Yeah.
01:00:20.000 Like now there's like two months you get like six, seven, seven cards.
01:00:24.000 Well, I always felt like you got fucked and Josh Thompson and a lot of guys in your era because they cut out the 55 pound division for a long time and then you went out and fought up Bodog and all these other organizations.
01:00:36.000 There was no 55 for how many years?
01:00:40.000 Quite a few.
01:00:42.000 Yeah, like 2004 to 2005 to like 2010 for sure.
01:00:48.000 Damn!
01:00:48.000 Because it didn't come back until The Ultimate Fighter.
01:00:51.000 Yeah, like that's when Gilbert and Josh Thompson were having those epic wars over in Strikeforce.
01:00:57.000 Strikeforce, yeah.
01:00:58.000 It's like those years, like there was those guys, like you, Thompson, I feel like Gilbert staked his claim in the UFC and had some epic fights in the UFC, but I honestly don't think we see the same Gilbert that we saw in Strikeforce.
01:01:13.000 Yeah, no.
01:01:14.000 No one can say better than you, because you've been in there, how much those wars will just take out of you.
01:01:22.000 They will.
01:01:23.000 And a guy like the wars that Gilbert and Josh went through at Strikeforce.
01:01:27.000 And then Gilbert is that kind of guy.
01:01:29.000 He's just like his fight with Diego.
01:01:32.000 That's it.
01:01:33.000 They're not backing down.
01:01:35.000 And they got the chins to take it.
01:01:37.000 There's not a lot of guys that can take it like that.
01:01:41.000 I haven't been in a lot of wars that were back and forth.
01:01:45.000 Even if the fight had some attrition, a lot of times I was winning the striking battle and I wasn't taking as many shots as those guys have taken.
01:01:54.000 And you have to have a chin to do that.
01:01:57.000 Yeah.
01:01:57.000 Man, I couldn't imagine to this day having been in...
01:02:02.000 I have like...
01:02:04.000 My record shows like 60-something fights.
01:02:07.000 I have like 80-plus fights overall, and I still look at some of those fights like Diego and Gilbert, and I'm like, man, I'm so glad.
01:02:17.000 Joe, I remember as a kid, I was laying on my couch watching Vernon White and Pancras, and I'm laying there watching, and he's getting his ass beat.
01:02:25.000 And he gets to the third round, and he turns it around, knocks the guy out, right?
01:02:29.000 And I'm like, I roll off of the couch, I get on my knees, and I'm like, God, please let me have fights like that.
01:02:34.000 That's the kind of fights I want to have.
01:02:35.000 Please, please, please.
01:02:36.000 I'm like, this young kid, you know, and I want to do that.
01:02:38.000 I want to have epic fights like that, right?
01:02:40.000 But now that I'm done, and I'm looking back at it, There are times I watch that stout fight, and when I get hit, I'm just like, oh, it hurts.
01:02:48.000 It didn't hurt then, but it hurts now.
01:02:51.000 I feel a slight physical pain from it.
01:02:53.000 Not like it breaks my heart.
01:02:55.000 Yeah, that part will always hurt.
01:02:57.000 But I mean, that looks brutal.
01:02:59.000 It looks painful.
01:03:00.000 It's not, but it looks that way.
01:03:02.000 But you know those fights with Gilbert and...
01:03:08.000 Diego, when they're still in it, that shit hurts.
01:03:11.000 Yeah.
01:03:11.000 You know?
01:03:12.000 Well, Gilbert didn't have to fight him that way.
01:03:14.000 That's why it was so crazy.
01:03:15.000 Yeah.
01:03:15.000 Because Gilbert decided to use his skills and fight a technical fight.
01:03:19.000 He would have been, you know, he was the better fighter, technically at the time.
01:03:25.000 But he just said, fuck it, let's go to war.
01:03:27.000 You know?
01:03:28.000 Yeah.
01:03:29.000 It's like...
01:03:30.000 It's just not a whole lot of people that are willing to do that.
01:03:32.000 I think that's what it is.
01:03:35.000 Like my fight with Aaron Reilly, I was able to figure him out and I could pick him apart.
01:03:42.000 And Aaron is the kind of guy who would go to war with you.
01:03:46.000 If I figured you out, I'm not going to go to war.
01:03:49.000 I'm not giving you a chance.
01:03:50.000 Fuck you.
01:03:51.000 Why?
01:03:53.000 I don't have to prove to anybody else how much of a man I am.
01:03:56.000 And on the other side of that, I don't like getting hit.
01:03:59.000 That shit's nonsense.
01:04:00.000 That prove how much of a man you are by getting hit.
01:04:04.000 That's nonsense.
01:04:05.000 I like when guys like Gilbert choose to go crazy and go to war.
01:04:09.000 But that's on him.
01:04:11.000 That's because he wants to.
01:04:12.000 That is on him.
01:04:13.000 But you know, there's a guy who did something like that, and he was willing to go to war, but you can see he still kept his technique when he went to war.
01:04:21.000 And I'm talking about Max Holloway with Lamas, when he was right here, right now.
01:04:27.000 He started trading, but he wasn't just sitting in the pocket trading.
01:04:31.000 He was throwing his, getting out, coming back, getting some, and getting out.
01:04:35.000 And that's how you do that.
01:04:36.000 Yeah.
01:04:36.000 You know, you don't just sit there and go, okay, I got mine, now you get yours.
01:04:40.000 Yeah, just bite down that mouthpiece and wing punches.
01:04:43.000 Yeah, that, I mean, that's Diego's specialty.
01:04:46.000 Diego's the best blood and guts fighter ever.
01:04:48.000 I mean, every single fight he's ever had is blood and guts.
01:04:52.000 I always go back to his fight with Martin Kampman.
01:04:54.000 Lost the first two rounds, he's got his face hanging off, like, literally like a zombie.
01:04:59.000 Yeah.
01:04:59.000 And he's chasing after Martin Cameron, and he wins the third round.
01:05:02.000 Wins the third round against Ellenberger.
01:05:04.000 He's fighting Ellenberger, who's at the time, you know, a strong, powerful 170. Big puncher.
01:05:09.000 Diego's got his back in the third round.
01:05:11.000 He's beating him up.
01:05:12.000 I mean, that's just blood and guts.
01:05:15.000 That guy's got more blood and guts than virtually, like, 99% of the population of the planet Earth.
01:05:22.000 Diego is one of those guys, too, that...
01:05:25.000 He's a scary individual when you look at him as like, okay, that's a potential opponent, especially in his prime.
01:05:31.000 But away from that, especially now, when he fought Riggs, I feel like...
01:05:43.000 Those two kind of personalities, they're just going to be at each other all the time.
01:05:49.000 And you feel like that's how they're going to be always.
01:05:51.000 But a guy like Diego, look at what he's doing with the guys in Albuquerque.
01:05:55.000 I forget the guy's name, but he's helping out that guy that...
01:05:58.000 He's a big UFC fan.
01:05:59.000 The Down Syndrome guy?
01:06:01.000 I don't remember how old he is.
01:06:02.000 That's amazing.
01:06:03.000 But he's committed to this.
01:06:06.000 And it's not like, hey, check me out.
01:06:08.000 You know what I mean?
01:06:09.000 No, he does it all the time.
01:06:11.000 He's with the guy all the time.
01:06:12.000 I like Diego, man.
01:06:14.000 He's a good dude.
01:06:15.000 He's a very good dude.
01:06:16.000 Yeah, that Riggs fight was crazy, too, because Riggs never thought that Diego was going to KO him.
01:06:20.000 He stepped in and KO'd him with the right hook early in the fight, too.
01:06:24.000 And Riggs is one of those guys that, see, I don't think that he ever totally showed in the octagon what he was capable of in the gym.
01:06:33.000 And he also is a guy that peaked during the Rich Franklin era.
01:06:38.000 When he fought Matt Hughes, didn't he miss weight when he fought for the title?
01:06:42.000 He missed weight against Matt Hughes and Matt Hughes Kimura'd him.
01:06:45.000 But what I'd always heard is that Joe Riggs in the gym was a world beater.
01:06:51.000 People would spar with him and they'd be like, holy shit, Joe Riggs is a world champion.
01:06:56.000 He's that good.
01:06:57.000 And that he would be dusting up all these really high-level guys in the gym.
01:07:02.000 There's something though about being in the gym, and I know you know this, but the thing about being in the gym versus being inside the octagon, it's that the stakes are real now.
01:07:15.000 Like in the gym, a lot of guys will open up more because you can't really lose there.
01:07:21.000 You can't.
01:07:22.000 But when you're in the fight itself, you...
01:07:27.000 You don't want to pull all the triggers because if this bullet misses, I'm exposed.
01:07:33.000 I got no defense to that.
01:07:34.000 So you're not putting everything on the table that you would in the gym because the risk is so much greater.
01:07:41.000 And I think that's where the guys who can perform, who step up to the game, I believe that's the aspect that they have to their game that's missing from some of these guys who are world beaters in the gym, but they just can't bring it to the field.
01:07:54.000 Yeah, it's a mental strength, for sure.
01:07:56.000 And it's confidence in your technique and the outcome.
01:08:01.000 Some people think that the world's against them.
01:08:04.000 There's an attitude that some people have, like, ah, it never works out for me.
01:08:07.000 Ah, fucking, I can't catch a break.
01:08:10.000 But it's interesting, because those are the guys that can't catch a break.
01:08:13.000 And you always wonder, what came first, the chicken or the egg?
01:08:17.000 Is it the attitude that is making their life this...
01:08:22.000 Impossible puzzle to solve or is it they just got they just keep getting shitty rolls of the dice I think it's the attitude probably it's like It's a snowball effect from the very first decisions you make real early on Especially when competing you know like everybody knows that there's times where you can quit Everybody knows there's times where you you know you didn't train as hard or you didn't push as hard you didn't and some people Some people don't learn.
01:08:52.000 They have those moments, like when you're a little kid, and maybe you're wrestling or something like that, and you got scared, and you didn't perform well, and then you go back and go, okay, that sucked.
01:09:02.000 I don't want to do that again.
01:09:03.000 I've got to figure out how to fucking toughen up, or I've got to figure out how to just perform.
01:09:07.000 And some people just don't.
01:09:08.000 Some people just run away from it.
01:09:10.000 They never see that thing again.
01:09:13.000 Yeah, it's like the weird little moments in fights that you could see happening where guys are exhausted, but they dig down.
01:09:21.000 You know what fight I always call upon?
01:09:23.000 Like, here's a dude who's got impossible mental strength.
01:09:28.000 Darren Elkins.
01:09:30.000 Mursad Bektik.
01:09:31.000 Mursad Bektik is lighting him up like a Christmas tree in Times Square.
01:09:35.000 I mean, he's just fucking him up.
01:09:36.000 He is on point.
01:09:38.000 He looks like a future champion.
01:09:40.000 He looks fantastic.
01:09:41.000 Darren Elkins won't stop.
01:09:43.000 He won't stop.
01:09:45.000 He keeps coming.
01:09:46.000 He keeps coming.
01:09:47.000 He's absorbing punches.
01:09:49.000 He's covered in blood.
01:09:50.000 He's getting punched and kicked and shinned and fucking elbowed.
01:09:53.000 Keeps coming.
01:09:54.000 Keeps coming.
01:09:55.000 Keeps coming.
01:09:56.000 Boom!
01:09:57.000 He catches him.
01:09:58.000 You see Bektik wobbling.
01:09:59.000 You're like, oh no!
01:10:00.000 Boom!
01:10:01.000 Head kick.
01:10:02.000 Like, what the fuck?
01:10:03.000 Darren Elkins is pounding him out and then the referee stops the fight.
01:10:06.000 And then Elkins steps off him.
01:10:08.000 He's like, rawr!
01:10:10.000 It's like, God damn!
01:10:12.000 That is the reward for having indomitable spirit.
01:10:16.000 That is the kind of victory cry that you only get when you went through hell.
01:10:22.000 And you did not give up.
01:10:23.000 Yeah, that fight itself, after the second, I believe it was, you just like, this should be stopped.
01:10:30.000 Right.
01:10:31.000 This should be stopped.
01:10:32.000 There's no chance.
01:10:33.000 And I don't really want to watch him get beat up as much.
01:10:35.000 So I'm like tweeting about the fight and watching and I'm looking back and forth and then holy fuck.
01:10:41.000 The side's upside down.
01:10:44.000 I love that guy.
01:10:45.000 And then Elkins chokes out Michael Johnson.
01:10:47.000 He shows people he's got skills.
01:10:49.000 That's the other thing.
01:10:50.000 There it is right here.
01:10:52.000 I mean, Mursad Bektik was super fucking talented.
01:10:56.000 And undefeated coming into this fight.
01:10:58.000 Darren was covered in blood.
01:11:00.000 And he got crucifixed here.
01:11:02.000 And he's getting smashed with punches and elbows.
01:11:06.000 But Elkin, he's just one of those guys.
01:11:09.000 Darren just doesn't give up, man.
01:11:10.000 And the other thing about Massad is, I've trained with Massad.
01:11:13.000 Massad trains hard.
01:11:14.000 His conditioning, look at that.
01:11:15.000 His conditioning is on point.
01:11:17.000 Look at this.
01:11:19.000 Look at that scream, man.
01:11:21.000 That's so crazy.
01:11:22.000 You know there's another scream like that?
01:11:24.000 When Kat Zingano beat Amanda Nunes.
01:11:26.000 Yeah.
01:11:27.000 That's another one like that.
01:11:28.000 I don't remember her victory.
01:11:29.000 Dude, that one is bone chilling.
01:11:31.000 You hear the scream, you're like, whoa.
01:11:35.000 Like it gets your hair.
01:11:36.000 I got goosebumps just thinking about it.
01:11:38.000 Yeah.
01:11:39.000 Listen to that.
01:11:45.000 Dude!
01:11:46.000 That meant a lot to her, man.
01:11:47.000 Dude!
01:11:48.000 You can hear it.
01:11:49.000 Yeah, dude.
01:11:51.000 That's some shit you can't fake.
01:11:53.000 There's something about what you were saying, though, about people walking away from these things.
01:12:00.000 It makes me think of a kid.
01:12:04.000 Sorry, this is going to be a bunch of things tied into one thing, but...
01:12:09.000 Babies when they're first born like first thing that come out of baby usually cry right right and it's like My thought on that is like, this is the first time they've felt anything outside of that womb, right?
01:12:21.000 And they don't know what pain is, like a pain tolerance.
01:12:23.000 The first time you got kicked, it hurt a lot more than it does now, right?
01:12:29.000 So like every sensation is new for them, right?
01:12:31.000 And then you're growing up and you grow up to be these people and your parents are telling you you can do anything.
01:12:35.000 But at the same time, they're telling you don't do that, right?
01:12:39.000 So it's like the mind is, your brain is this blank slate when you're born.
01:12:44.000 And you get all these different influences.
01:12:47.000 And this goes back to the people that are like, I can't catch a break, I can't catch a break.
01:12:52.000 It's like, are we doing this right for so many people to have this attitude?
01:13:02.000 Where is that coming from?
01:13:04.000 Because there are so many people like that.
01:13:06.000 And then there are people that are like that at times.
01:13:10.000 But they can either come out of it and start having good things, and then they go back into it, and they bounce back and forth.
01:13:16.000 But why are people the way they are?
01:13:18.000 The human mind, to me, is the most amazing, confusing.
01:13:26.000 It's everything, but there's no rules.
01:13:30.000 That's what it is.
01:13:30.000 Yeah, I mean, everybody's different.
01:13:32.000 Everybody's similar, but everybody's different.
01:13:34.000 And your attitude has a giant effect, not just on your life, but on other people's lives around you.
01:13:42.000 That's the other thing about it.
01:13:43.000 Those I can't catch a break guys, get them the fuck away from me.
01:13:46.000 I can't be around those guys.
01:13:48.000 I don't want to hear that shit.
01:13:50.000 I don't want to hear that shit.
01:13:51.000 I don't buy it.
01:13:52.000 Because everybody has bad breaks.
01:13:54.000 I've had a shit ton of bad breaks.
01:13:56.000 But you know what I did?
01:13:57.000 I stayed up.
01:13:58.000 And I thought through it.
01:13:59.000 And I figured out what the fuck I did wrong, and then I went back.
01:14:03.000 It's like, I fucked up everything I've ever done a hundred times.
01:14:06.000 There's no other way to do it.
01:14:08.000 And I've had a bunch of shitty breaks.
01:14:10.000 Everybody has.
01:14:11.000 But you've got to realize when you have those shitty breaks what that is.
01:14:14.000 It's an opportunity for you to reassess, reboot, get better, figure out another way, find another way through.
01:14:21.000 It's just little challenges.
01:14:22.000 And the people that look at those challenges and go, why do I always have these challenges?
01:14:26.000 They're cancer.
01:14:27.000 Those people are dangerous to be around.
01:14:29.000 They will rob you of your enthusiasm.
01:14:30.000 They don't give you any fuel.
01:14:32.000 They're the opposite of fuel.
01:14:33.000 Yeah.
01:14:33.000 The fuel people are the people that are kicking ass, the people that are out there just fucking hustling, always, always getting things done.
01:14:41.000 My friend Jocko, every morning I'll check his Instagram page, 4.30, shows a picture of his watch, get after it.
01:14:47.000 He's out there working out 4.30 in the morning.
01:14:49.000 He does it every fucking morning.
01:14:50.000 Why?
01:14:51.000 Because he doesn't want to.
01:14:52.000 That's how you do it.
01:14:53.000 You go and get after it.
01:14:54.000 You don't make any excuses.
01:14:55.000 And those kind of guys are fuel.
01:14:57.000 But those I can't catch a break guys, they're the opposite of fuel.
01:15:00.000 They're just pissing on your fire.
01:15:02.000 They're no fun.
01:15:03.000 And the people that surround them are all idiots.
01:15:06.000 Because only idiots want to be around I can't catch a break guys.
01:15:09.000 Only the dummies stick around.
01:15:11.000 After a while, even if they're your good friend, you gotta be like, bro, you gotta fucking stop.
01:15:15.000 You gotta stop with all this I can't catch a break bullshit.
01:15:18.000 All the time you're complaining, you could be instead hustling.
01:15:21.000 You could be instead chasing your dream.
01:15:23.000 You could be instead figuring out what you're doing wrong, trying to prove certain aspects of your life, getting your shit together, reading a book, meditating, something!
01:15:31.000 Fucking something!
01:15:32.000 But this I can't catch a break shit is not helping anybody, and it pushes everybody away from you.
01:15:37.000 But some people, they get caught in that pattern.
01:15:39.000 And it might be their parents.
01:15:40.000 It might be how they were raised.
01:15:42.000 Somebody might have told them they were useless real early on.
01:15:45.000 It stuck.
01:15:45.000 And they just, they always, they never feel like they get enough reassurance.
01:15:49.000 They never feel like they get enough motivation.
01:15:52.000 And they feel like other people get more.
01:15:54.000 And they look at all these other people.
01:15:55.000 How come he gets that?
01:15:56.000 How come she gets this?
01:15:57.000 How come he's got that going on?
01:15:59.000 And that, all that's bad for you too.
01:16:01.000 That shit ain't no good for you.
01:16:03.000 How much of that is tied into...
01:16:05.000 Not paying attention to yourself.
01:16:07.000 Not knowing yourself.
01:16:09.000 How much of that is tied into you always on...
01:16:16.000 Your brain always outside of yourself.
01:16:19.000 You're flooding your brain with TV or Instagram or this or that.
01:16:23.000 Not something that...
01:16:26.000 Even reading a book, I believe, is different when you're watching TV, what you're watching.
01:16:32.000 You know what I mean?
01:16:33.000 If you're watching something that has a message where you have to think, where you can see yourself in that and you can put yourself in these situations and you're like, oh, well, I can empathize with that or I can this.
01:16:45.000 But when you're just watching, oh...
01:16:47.000 Spending money on cars and making it rain and this and that.
01:16:52.000 I wonder how much of that because the thing that I've found is entertainment isn't what it used to be.
01:17:01.000 I'm going to sound old as shit right now.
01:17:04.000 Back in my day, entertainment wasn't what it is now.
01:17:08.000 Now it's just bright lights and flash and bombs versus something that you could actually feel.
01:17:14.000 I feel like it's a lot less of that.
01:17:16.000 Well, there's some entertainment that you could feel, like TV shows.
01:17:19.000 You could watch Black Mirror.
01:17:20.000 That'll freak the fuck out of you and make you think.
01:17:22.000 There's still some good shit that's being made.
01:17:24.000 Stranger Things.
01:17:25.000 There's a lot of good shows.
01:17:26.000 But you have to go find it so much more.
01:17:27.000 I feel like the bigger things, the things that most people have access to...
01:17:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:17:34.000 I think that's what it is.
01:17:36.000 Right, right.
01:17:36.000 But is it that they have more access to that or is that the easiest thing to consume?
01:17:42.000 It's very easy to consume.
01:17:43.000 It's mindless.
01:17:44.000 And everybody wants cars.
01:17:46.000 Ooh, look at the car.
01:17:47.000 Everybody wants money.
01:17:48.000 Look at his money.
01:17:48.000 You know, it's like you just get sucked up in it.
01:17:51.000 And it's a very low level frequency that everybody sort of has like a little bit of it.
01:17:55.000 And you see some dude with his open shirt, all these chains, and he's...
01:18:00.000 All these girls behind them in their underwear.
01:18:02.000 Everybody's dancing.
01:18:03.000 It's like, this guy's life's a party.
01:18:05.000 I wish my life is a party.
01:18:06.000 I can't catch a fucking break.
01:18:07.000 I'm over here.
01:18:08.000 I can't catch a break.
01:18:10.000 It's cool sometimes, you know?
01:18:13.000 Yeah, sometimes.
01:18:14.000 Silly.
01:18:15.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:18:16.000 There's a point.
01:18:17.000 You know who's a deep guy?
01:18:20.000 Fucking Schilling.
01:18:21.000 Schilling's a very deep guy.
01:18:22.000 Yeah.
01:18:23.000 And he pointed this out to me.
01:18:25.000 Through a different way, but there's a point where everything becomes a bad thing.
01:18:30.000 There's a point where humility is a bad thing.
01:18:32.000 There's a point where having fun is a bad thing.
01:18:37.000 It's like you can't...
01:18:39.000 Eating doesn't...
01:18:42.000 Isn't always a pleasure.
01:18:43.000 If you're constantly eating, if you're never hungry, you don't appreciate it as much as if you were hungry.
01:18:47.000 Right.
01:18:48.000 Yeah.
01:18:49.000 Because if you're starving and they feed you and you're full and you have to keep eating, that's not fun.
01:18:54.000 Right, right, right.
01:18:55.000 Yeah.
01:18:56.000 So there's this moderation thing that I feel that's missing and I'm trying to find that balance myself, man.
01:19:01.000 With what?
01:19:02.000 With life.
01:19:03.000 With a bunch of different things.
01:19:05.000 With how much time I spend doing this versus this.
01:19:08.000 Especially now that I'm not fighting.
01:19:10.000 Because that was, for a long time, that was the biggest part of my days.
01:19:14.000 You know?
01:19:15.000 Just training and everything else.
01:19:16.000 And now, I still get to train.
01:19:18.000 But I have more time.
01:19:20.000 And a lot of time by myself in my own head.
01:19:23.000 So I'm back to reading a little more.
01:19:25.000 Wasn't Schilling the guy that exposed that crying kid?
01:19:29.000 Yes for being a racist and his family was already and then his mother said something like Contacted shilling about keeping money in the what with the whites or some shit Yeah, Joe was um Joe reached out cuz he wanted that he wanted to you know He wants like bring the kid out or train him to a Bellator event.
01:19:45.000 Yeah kid the kid it was a Viral we shouldn't put the kid up, but he's a little kid I don't feel like we should give the kid any more exposure or anything like that.
01:19:55.000 Because the kid didn't do anything wrong.
01:19:57.000 Right.
01:19:57.000 He was just crying about being bullied.
01:19:59.000 And everybody was like, oh, this poor kid.
01:20:02.000 Now, I don't know the part of his part in the bullying thing.
01:20:08.000 But what we're talking about is his mom's conversation with Joe.
01:20:12.000 And that's where it got twisted.
01:20:14.000 And was that proven that it was his mom?
01:20:16.000 It definitely wasn't someone trolling?
01:20:17.000 Do we know that?
01:20:18.000 No.
01:20:18.000 I don't know.
01:20:19.000 Everything is fucking a mystery today.
01:20:21.000 Up is down, down is up.
01:20:22.000 There's a lot of trolls out there, man.
01:20:23.000 I feel like there's been reports that it was, and there's reports that it wasn't, and I didn't pay so much attention to it that I could be positive as to what the ruling was.
01:20:35.000 But...
01:20:37.000 The conversation that she had with Joe was...
01:20:39.000 Joe reached out to bring him out and she was like, look, I'm just trying to put some money in this account, basically.
01:20:46.000 And Joe was like, hey, I'm trying to give him something more valuable than money.
01:20:52.000 And...
01:20:53.000 She said something else.
01:20:53.000 She wanted a link to the GoFundMe.
01:20:55.000 GoFundMe.
01:20:56.000 And then there was something else.
01:20:58.000 Joe said, like, what's the money going to?
01:21:00.000 Like, you can't cure bullion with money.
01:21:02.000 Yeah.
01:21:02.000 But I forgot how it turned to racial stuff.
01:21:05.000 Something about keeping the money in the whites.
01:21:07.000 Yeah, it was something along those lines.
01:21:09.000 Yeah, she said that.
01:21:09.000 But I don't know, like, why did she even bring that up?
01:21:13.000 Like, what in Joe's context made her go to that card?
01:21:17.000 White dude, shaved head, covered in tattoos.
01:21:19.000 She took a chance.
01:21:20.000 Ha ha ha!
01:21:21.000 She took a chance.
01:21:22.000 She took a chance.
01:21:24.000 She's like, white power.
01:21:25.000 White power?
01:21:25.000 What do we got?
01:21:29.000 She went fishing.
01:21:30.000 I don't know, man.
01:21:31.000 Maybe she's just a fucking dummy.
01:21:33.000 I mean, the family has Confederate flags and shit and some of their photos.
01:21:39.000 That's still on the flag, the state flag in Mississippi.
01:21:43.000 Yeah.
01:21:43.000 No, I didn't.
01:21:44.000 That's crazy.
01:21:45.000 See, that's crazy to me because, like, I didn't grow up knowing about that.
01:21:48.000 Like, as a kid in the Bahamas, like, I didn't even know.
01:21:51.000 Right.
01:21:52.000 I knew of the Confederacy.
01:21:53.000 When did you come to America?
01:21:54.000 I came at 15. Ah, yeah.
01:21:56.000 So, like, you know, the years when everything's being set, I was in the Bahamas.
01:22:00.000 Right.
01:22:00.000 Like, into your brain.
01:22:01.000 So, when I got here, like, I still had no idea what the Confederate flag was.
01:22:05.000 I told these people, it's like...
01:22:08.000 I didn't know a lot of U.S. history, you know?
01:22:11.000 We learned Bahamian history in the Bahamas.
01:22:14.000 And when I got here, I didn't know anything about that.
01:22:16.000 The Confederate flag didn't mean anything to me until I was in my 20s, man.
01:22:19.000 Wow.
01:22:20.000 And in Texas, to this day, my daughter, where she lives, where her house is, maybe like four miles away, I was visiting.
01:22:28.000 And they're on the corner with a trailer out, and they've got Confederate flags.
01:22:33.000 For sale?
01:22:34.000 For sale.
01:22:34.000 On the corner, just line up.
01:22:36.000 They have them out, you know, just line up and flying.
01:22:39.000 People still drive around.
01:22:40.000 I was in Florida with Dustin and we were driving and there was a truck with a U.S. flag posted on the back and Confederate flag.
01:22:48.000 Not like posted on the car, I mean on a flagpole.
01:22:52.000 They're flying the flagpole as they're driving.
01:22:56.000 So this is a real thing.
01:22:57.000 Even if you love the South, the South needs a new flag.
01:23:00.000 You can't have a flag.
01:23:02.000 I got no problem with you loving the South.
01:23:05.000 The South's got a lot of great qualities.
01:23:07.000 You guys need a new flag.
01:23:09.000 You can't have the flag of the dudes who are fighting for slavery.
01:23:13.000 You can't have that anymore.
01:23:14.000 Joe, they weren't fighting for slavery.
01:23:16.000 That's just what they tell you.
01:23:18.000 Yeah, that argument is a piss-poor argument.
01:23:21.000 That falls apart.
01:23:22.000 That argument is one of the shittiest arguments and people try to soldier up and use big words and try to repackage that argument.
01:23:30.000 They wanted slavery.
01:23:31.000 Yeah.
01:23:32.000 Period.
01:23:33.000 Economics.
01:23:34.000 Yeah.
01:23:35.000 Slavery.
01:23:35.000 They wanted people to work for free.
01:23:36.000 That's like a big part of what it was.
01:23:38.000 There was a lot of other shit going on as well.
01:23:40.000 That was a big part of it.
01:23:41.000 That was a huge part of it.
01:23:42.000 And I mean, it's representative in the laws that came right after slavery was abolished.
01:23:48.000 Did you know that there's a reason why, you know, when people think about people from the South, people think of them as being like slack-jawed and kind of stupid.
01:23:56.000 That's like the worst stereotype, right?
01:23:58.000 Right.
01:23:58.000 Southern people, like, oh, how you doing?
01:24:01.000 Yeah.
01:24:02.000 There was a hookworm epidemic in the South for years where a substantial portion of the population had hookworm where they were walking around barefoot and they got shit in their feet and those parasites infected their brain and compromised the way they think and severely diminishes your level of thinking.
01:24:23.000 So does that...
01:24:27.000 Pull that shit up, Jamie.
01:24:28.000 That came out of a podcast, right?
01:24:30.000 Didn't someone bring it up to us?
01:24:32.000 I feel like it was Rhonda Pat.
01:24:34.000 No?
01:24:34.000 Was it Rhonda?
01:24:35.000 Someone like that?
01:24:36.000 Some smarty pants?
01:24:37.000 When that happens, however that affects your brain, does that pass on?
01:24:43.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:24:44.000 It's a good question.
01:24:45.000 Does it change your DNA? I bet it does.
01:24:48.000 I bet everything changes your DNA. Here it goes.
01:24:51.000 How a worm gave the South a bad name.
01:24:53.000 Here it is.
01:24:54.000 Make this shit a little bigger.
01:24:55.000 For more than three centuries, a plague of unshakable lethargy blanketed the American South.
01:25:00.000 It began with ground itch, a prickly tingling in the tender webs between the toes, soon followed by a dry cough.
01:25:07.000 Weeks later, victims succumbed to an insatiable exhaustion and an impenetrable haziness of the mind that some called stupidity.
01:25:15.000 Adults neglected their fields.
01:25:17.000 And children grew pale and listless.
01:25:19.000 Victims developed grossly distended bellies and angel wings, emaciated shoulder blades accentuated by hunching.
01:25:25.000 All gazed out dully from sunken sockets with a telltale fisheye stare.
01:25:30.000 The culprit behind the germ of laziness of the South's affliction was sometimes called, was Nicator Americanis.
01:25:38.000 The American murderer.
01:25:40.000 Wow.
01:25:40.000 Better known today as the hookworm.
01:25:42.000 Millions of those blood-sucking parasites lived, fed, multiplied, and died within the guts of up to 40% of the population stretching from southeastern Texas to West Virginia.
01:25:54.000 Hookworms stymied development throughout the region and bred stereotypes about lazy, moronic southerners.
01:26:01.000 So, as you're reading that, fuck.
01:26:04.000 Yeah, that's gross.
01:26:05.000 I remember learning about hookworms as a kid in the Bahamas, but as you're reading that, I'm like, you know what?
01:26:11.000 Maybe, I go through this whole thing in my brain as you're reading.
01:26:15.000 Maybe if they didn't do what they did to Native Americans, because those guys had moccasins, and they probably had moccasins because they learned about this a couple hundred years ago.
01:26:24.000 Ha!
01:26:24.000 You know what I mean?
01:26:25.000 No shit, right?
01:26:26.000 Yeah.
01:26:27.000 If anybody was going to be barefoot, it'd be the Native Americans.
01:26:29.000 Right.
01:26:30.000 And they're like, no, dog.
01:26:31.000 Not a good move.
01:26:32.000 Got to cover your feet, man.
01:26:34.000 This bunch of shit gets in there and gets stupid and can't figure out how to find the buffalo anymore.
01:26:37.000 That's where sharing information comes in handy, man.
01:26:41.000 That's a good point.
01:26:43.000 That's a real good point.
01:26:44.000 Because I always think that when I see those survivor dudes that like to walk around barefoot, those crazy dudes that get the thick calluses in the bottom of their feet.
01:26:51.000 Ugh.
01:26:52.000 And the idea is that, you know, like, hey, if the world goes to shit, you're going to need to be able to walk barefoot.
01:26:59.000 Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
01:27:01.000 Maybe.
01:27:01.000 Maybe you make shoes, you fuck.
01:27:04.000 There's a bunch of shoes in warehouses in the world.
01:27:06.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:27:07.000 Would you run out of shoes?
01:27:09.000 I mean, if you found out the world was going to end and you bought 20 pairs of shoes, that might last you until you're dead.
01:27:16.000 Yeah.
01:27:17.000 Maybe.
01:27:18.000 Depends on what you're doing.
01:27:19.000 What kind of hiking.
01:27:20.000 If you're running a lot.
01:27:21.000 Yeah.
01:27:22.000 Burn through those.
01:27:22.000 You're going to have to be on your feet more because you got hunting now.
01:27:25.000 That's true.
01:27:26.000 You're going to have to be hiking.
01:27:27.000 Yeah.
01:27:28.000 Maybe you need more than 20. You don't need more than 50. 50 pairs of shoes for life.
01:27:32.000 Probably repurpose some too.
01:27:33.000 Yeah.
01:27:34.000 But that's what the Native Americans did, right?
01:27:36.000 Yeah, moccasins.
01:27:37.000 They used every piece of the buffalo.
01:27:41.000 Yeah.
01:27:42.000 They were smart, too, because they didn't develop.
01:27:44.000 I'm on this barefoot running kick.
01:27:46.000 I run with barefoot shoes.
01:27:48.000 Yeah.
01:27:48.000 I either run with those Vibram five fingers, which are my favorite, but when it gets muddy out, those don't have a lot of traction.
01:27:55.000 And I like this other company called Vivo Barefoot.
01:27:57.000 Plus, you don't look as dorky.
01:27:59.000 The five fingers ones, you're committing to the project, right?
01:28:03.000 You gotta walk around with gloves on your feet.
01:28:05.000 People mock you mercilessly, like Jamie.
01:28:08.000 He mocks me mercilessly.
01:28:09.000 But the Vivo barefoot ones are just like, they just have no padding.
01:28:12.000 But they have good tractions.
01:28:14.000 I like running in those, too.
01:28:15.000 But when you run in something that has no padding at all, all the muscles in your foot develop because your toes have to work and push.
01:28:24.000 Whereas, like, these things are way stiffer than what I run with most of the time.
01:28:29.000 These things are hard, man.
01:28:30.000 It's like a cast.
01:28:31.000 Like this shit is like a cast for your foot, you know?
01:28:34.000 And so the idea is when your foot is in those kind of like a normal running shoe, it's not really squishing and pushing and you're all your muscles aren't getting activated.
01:28:43.000 And so they're just not as strong.
01:28:45.000 They're just they're just weaker, you know, and that it's not good for anything.
01:28:48.000 It's not good for your balance.
01:28:49.000 It's not it's not optimum.
01:28:50.000 I mean, it's better to run with running shoes on than not run.
01:28:53.000 But in terms of like foot strength and like just maximize your ability to move correctly and have good balance, it's not nearly as good.
01:29:02.000 You can feel it too.
01:29:03.000 When I first started doing MMA for a long time, until I went down to Florida and was at American Top Team, there were certain things that I didn't do without shoes on.
01:29:13.000 Like, if we were kickboxing, I would put on shins and I would wear my wrestling shoes.
01:29:18.000 Really?
01:29:18.000 Okay.
01:29:19.000 I just didn't like wrestling without my toes out like that.
01:29:23.000 Especially when I was throwing kicks.
01:29:26.000 But over time, I got more comfortable with it.
01:29:28.000 But over time, getting more comfortable with it, I could feel the difference when I would have my shoes on versus not having my shoes on.
01:29:37.000 And I felt more dexterous.
01:29:40.000 I felt more agile.
01:29:42.000 I felt more in connection with...
01:29:44.000 You know, with the ground.
01:29:46.000 That's what I was doing.
01:29:47.000 Yeah, that's legit.
01:29:48.000 That's, I mean, that's what I do with these barefoot running shoes.
01:29:52.000 I mean, I believe in them, 100%.
01:29:54.000 I think there's a bunch of good companies that make them.
01:29:56.000 Morrell makes some good ones, too.
01:29:59.000 But I just feel like we have too much padding on our shoes.
01:30:03.000 I lift weights and do everything else totally barefoot.
01:30:07.000 I just feel like...
01:30:08.000 Or I wear like...
01:30:10.000 I like Chucks, like Converse All-Stars.
01:30:12.000 Those are good too.
01:30:14.000 Because they're just flat.
01:30:16.000 Those are good for lifting weights sometimes if I want a little bit more.
01:30:20.000 But most of the time I do it barefoot.
01:30:22.000 I would say 99% of the time I do it barefoot.
01:30:25.000 I think it's just better for your feet.
01:30:27.000 I just think the same thing what I was saying with gloves and punching.
01:30:32.000 I just think it's unnatural.
01:30:33.000 It's unnatural to have a bunch of shit underneath your foot.
01:30:36.000 Your foot's not designed for that.
01:30:38.000 Yeah.
01:30:41.000 Yeah.
01:30:41.000 When you say that, I start thinking about how people are designed and what people are designed for.
01:30:51.000 Thoughts, and they go everywhere.
01:30:52.000 Sometimes my thoughts run into another.
01:30:54.000 Hey, that's a good idea.
01:30:55.000 They come together, right?
01:30:56.000 But when you say that, I start thinking about when we talk about changing your DNA, where we started with the hookworm thing, and your feet.
01:31:05.000 If you take someone from an area that is...
01:31:09.000 Where they have to be agile.
01:31:10.000 And you take them to a place where you just have to be strong.
01:31:13.000 You take a child from the agile area and you make him grow up in an area where you have to be strong, physically strong.
01:31:22.000 How does that child fare in that environment as he's growing up?
01:31:26.000 Does he adapt...
01:31:27.000 Not as fast as the people that already have those traits, but does he adapt and be able to survive?
01:31:33.000 And then can he go back to that agile lifestyle and take some of that strength?
01:31:39.000 Depends on how big he gets.
01:31:41.000 If you were talking like strongman strength, those guys are not known for their agility.
01:31:45.000 They're giant.
01:31:47.000 There's a trade-off for sure.
01:31:49.000 There's a power trade-off.
01:31:50.000 You know, that's one of the things that's so terrifying about Francis Ngannou, is that he's 270 pounds, cuts down to 265, but he moves like a panther.
01:31:59.000 Right.
01:32:00.000 It's like he's not missing anything.
01:32:01.000 Like, you know what I mean?
01:32:02.000 He's got ridiculous power, but he's also fast as fuck.
01:32:07.000 Like, that left hook that he hit over him with, it's like, Jesus!
01:32:10.000 That's like a welterweight's left hook.
01:32:12.000 Fast as fuck!
01:32:14.000 But he's hitting you like a nuclear weapon.
01:32:17.000 It's just a different kind of power on his punches, a different kind of power in his body, but he also has the ability to move fast like a smaller person.
01:32:26.000 Most of the time when you get a really powerful person, there's some sort of compromise that has to be made.
01:32:32.000 But what happens when a guy like Francis Ngannou, you develop his wrestling so that it's like a Cain Vlasquez?
01:32:42.000 Jesus.
01:32:43.000 Could you, though, at 33?
01:32:44.000 Like, that's the problem.
01:32:46.000 Yeah.
01:32:47.000 And how much does he not like to wrestle?
01:32:50.000 Because that was the word that I had heard, is that he wasn't doing any groundwork.
01:32:54.000 There was very little groundwork being done.
01:32:57.000 They were just trying to keep the fight standing.
01:32:58.000 The problem with that is, you can't just do what you like to do.
01:33:03.000 You can't just do what you're awesome at.
01:33:05.000 He's already awesome at putting people in another dimension.
01:33:08.000 I mean, he hits harder than anybody I've ever seen.
01:33:10.000 I've never seen anybody that hits as hard as Francis Ngannou.
01:33:13.000 And that Power Cube thing shows it.
01:33:16.000 I mean, he got the highest registered punch.
01:33:18.000 Tyrone Spong was number two.
01:33:20.000 His punch was something like 10,000 pounds more power or more than Tyrone Spong's, which is crazy.
01:33:28.000 He's a monster.
01:33:29.000 He shouldn't be allowed to hit people.
01:33:30.000 He's a monster.
01:33:31.000 He's so powerful.
01:33:32.000 But it's like all things balance out, right?
01:33:36.000 Like Stipe just said, yeah, you're powerful for about five minutes.
01:33:40.000 Yeah.
01:33:41.000 And I'm not going to be there for those five minutes.
01:33:42.000 I'll be over here, and I'll be over here, and I'll be ducking and getting the fuck away from you.
01:33:46.000 And he took a few.
01:33:48.000 He takes a guy like Stipe that is smart and fights smart and knows the game.
01:33:54.000 Like, knows, like, you can't keep this up.
01:33:55.000 Would Kane be able to do the same thing?
01:33:57.000 You'd expect so, right?
01:33:58.000 Young Kane.
01:33:59.000 Young Kane, for sure.
01:34:00.000 Like the Kane that fought Czech Congo.
01:34:01.000 The Kane that fought Ben Rothwell.
01:34:05.000 That Kane.
01:34:06.000 Jesus Christ.
01:34:07.000 That Kane could have done that to anybody.
01:34:09.000 But I think...
01:34:10.000 What you deal with with Kane was like a mental strength that no one's body can hold up to.
01:34:17.000 Yeah.
01:34:18.000 You know what I mean?
01:34:18.000 Like he just drove forward with so much tenacity that his body is like tires are flying off and bolts are breaking and it's just too much strength in the mind.
01:34:30.000 When you say that, I picture, I see it in my head, and I picture him moving forward a lot like Nurmagomedov moves forward.
01:34:35.000 Yeah, a lot.
01:34:36.000 Just with better striking.
01:34:38.000 Well, people keep forgetting Nurmagomedov was injury-ridden as well.
01:34:41.000 Yeah.
01:34:41.000 He was constantly plagued with injuries.
01:34:43.000 There's a lot of guys that, you know, I had three or four of my UFC fights because Josh Thompson got hurt.
01:34:49.000 You know?
01:34:50.000 Right.
01:34:50.000 I can think of off the top of my head two of them where it was because Josh was hurt, and they...
01:34:56.000 What do you think about that?
01:34:57.000 Do you think that they train too hard, or do you think that that is just the way you have to train?
01:35:03.000 I mean, if you want to look at world-class fighters, AKA is one of the top gyms in the world.
01:35:09.000 Luke Rockhold, Daniel Cormier, Cain Velasquez, Josh Thompson, and you can keep going down the road.
01:35:15.000 There's a ton of guys that people haven't heard of that are top-level.
01:35:19.000 Nurmagomedov, obviously.
01:35:21.000 Ton of guys also that are training out of there that are super, super high-level.
01:35:25.000 There's a big...
01:35:26.000 Fucking tank filled with sharks.
01:35:28.000 Now, you look at their success, and it's just undeniable.
01:35:32.000 They have an incredible ratio of success.
01:35:35.000 Like, world champions.
01:35:37.000 Some of the best guys ever.
01:35:39.000 But a lot of injuries.
01:35:41.000 Now, is that just what happens when you get both things?
01:35:43.000 I believe, especially with those guys, where those guys are concerned, it has to do with the number of quality guys that they have that are fighting at the same time, and there only being so many hours in the day.
01:35:56.000 So they're in the gym at the same time, having to do the work that they need to do to prepare for a fight, but they're all on the same mat, and guys are running into each other.
01:36:05.000 Right, that's happening too.
01:36:06.000 So, Luke is over here, and Khabib is over here, but they've got five different guys rotating for them, and one of those five guys is the reason that Nurmagomedov gets hurt.
01:36:19.000 Right, right.
01:36:20.000 That's a problem, right?
01:36:21.000 Like, that doesn't happen in boxing.
01:36:22.000 You never see world-class boxers sparring in the same ring as other world-class boxers.
01:36:26.000 At the same time, no.
01:36:27.000 At the same time, it's stupid.
01:36:28.000 Yeah.
01:36:28.000 That's a size issue in terms of the gym size.
01:36:32.000 That's definitely a thing in that regard.
01:36:36.000 Also, the layout of the gym.
01:36:41.000 Like a boxing ring, you could put them in a quartered-off area and nobody else could be involved.
01:36:47.000 You section off the mats, but then you have to have coaches in between people.
01:36:51.000 When these guys are starting to come together, the coach comes in, hey guys, start going back to your area.
01:36:56.000 There's just no borders.
01:36:59.000 And without having borders and a guy like Hector Lombard coming after you, you're going to move.
01:37:06.000 Yeah, you're going to crash into people.
01:37:08.000 I think that's a real good point.
01:37:10.000 I think it's the level of talent, the aggression in the room, the level of ambition in the room.
01:37:16.000 All the above.
01:37:17.000 Yeah.
01:37:17.000 And the fact that they have that philosophy to just go hard.
01:37:20.000 I mean, they go hard.
01:37:22.000 Yeah.
01:37:22.000 Like, I talked to DC about it, and he's like, sometimes Kane and I spar, and sometimes we fight.
01:37:26.000 Yeah.
01:37:27.000 I'm like, God damn.
01:37:29.000 You know, you're having fights before the fight.
01:37:31.000 Like, legitimate, full-on...
01:37:33.000 You know, fights.
01:37:35.000 Full power shots.
01:37:36.000 That happens.
01:37:37.000 I remember being underneath T-Bow, trying to come to my feet, and he's throwing big punches with little gloves on.
01:37:44.000 We're wearing little gloves, sparring MMA gloves, and he hit me in the face like three times.
01:37:49.000 And I'm like, that's entirely too hard.
01:37:51.000 But if I don't get up, he's just going to keep going.
01:37:55.000 Right.
01:37:56.000 But that's what it is, man.
01:37:58.000 When you're in the gym, there are some guys that they only have one speed.
01:38:03.000 Yeah.
01:38:04.000 And a lot of those guys are the guys that could perform when it's time to step into the cage.
01:38:08.000 Well, that's the story with TJ Dillshaw.
01:38:10.000 All the alpha male guys were saying that TJ, when he would spar, would spar real hard.
01:38:15.000 And then when you would hurt him, he'd try to kill you.
01:38:17.000 Yeah.
01:38:18.000 But look, he's a fucking world champion for a reason.
01:38:22.000 Two-time.
01:38:24.000 That tenacity that makes you sometimes a problematic sparring partner, that same mental strength, and who knows who's telling the truth, because this is obviously alpha male, they were a little salty after he left, and I don't think they're lying, but I think there's two sides of the story,
01:38:41.000 and there's also people accentuate their position.
01:38:45.000 Yeah, I mean, if you watch a video versus hearing two people tell a story, you see three different things.
01:38:52.000 Yeah, man, I've had people tell me things like, man, you won't believe what happened.
01:38:55.000 And then I watch the video, I'm like, wait a minute, what did you think you saw?
01:38:58.000 Because I didn't see that.
01:38:59.000 I saw something pretty reasonable.
01:39:02.000 When these guys go back and watch fights and they're like, I won that fight.
01:39:05.000 Yeah.
01:39:05.000 It's like, no you didn't.
01:39:07.000 That's a real problem.
01:39:08.000 Yeah.
01:39:10.000 Some people, and again, those are really the same guys as the I can't catch a break guys.
01:39:15.000 The ones who think they won when no one else thinks they won.
01:39:18.000 You're watching like, wait man, what fight are you watching?
01:39:20.000 Like, you definitely didn't win.
01:39:23.000 Look at your, but your face!
01:39:25.000 Yeah.
01:39:26.000 The fucking judges, man.
01:39:28.000 That is really the number one problem.
01:39:30.000 If all the rules, all these different things, those are all a problem, the judges are the biggest problem, by far.
01:39:36.000 Like every, it seems like every UFC, I'm waiting to interview the fighter, I'm in the cage, and they're reading the scorecards, and I just go like...
01:39:45.000 Every UFC, it's like one fight, at least, where I'm like, what?
01:39:50.000 What the fuck did they just say?
01:39:51.000 30-27?
01:39:53.000 Who?
01:39:54.000 How?
01:39:55.000 What?
01:39:56.000 Like, a guy's getting their asses kicked, taken down, getting fucked up on the feet, and they're winning rounds 30-27.
01:40:02.000 Yeah.
01:40:04.000 10-9, 10-9, 10-9.
01:40:05.000 What?
01:40:07.000 Yeah, I've seen that.
01:40:08.000 I saw a fight recently.
01:40:10.000 I can't remember what it was, but when the judging came up, I heard 30-27, and I was like, there was no guarantee that any guy won any of those rounds.
01:40:19.000 Sorry, there was a guarantee.
01:40:21.000 When I heard 30-27, I thought this guy won, because I'm like, he won that round, so they thought he won the other two.
01:40:26.000 And then they gave it to the other guy, and I'm like, how did he lose that one round?
01:40:31.000 Full incompetence, man.
01:40:33.000 It's just full incompetence.
01:40:35.000 What is it like now when you're working for UFC and you're doing the Fox stuff, like Fox coverage of UFC? Do you have...
01:40:47.000 Like a set schedule?
01:40:49.000 Like how often do you guys do it?
01:40:52.000 So there are like seven.
01:40:54.000 Actually, there were seven when I started.
01:40:55.000 I think there are more guys now in that rotation.
01:40:58.000 And they don't have a set schedule.
01:41:02.000 So they just call you up?
01:41:03.000 Yeah.
01:41:05.000 Well, they give it to you a few weeks out.
01:41:08.000 You got plenty of advance notice.
01:41:10.000 So, like, the next desk job I'm working on is the Barbossa Lee fight.
01:41:15.000 Which one is that?
01:41:16.000 That's on the 21st of April.
01:41:18.000 April, okay, cool.
01:41:19.000 I think that's Atlantic City.
01:41:20.000 Ooh, that's a good card.
01:41:21.000 Yeah.
01:41:22.000 That's Frankie Edgar's fighting.
01:41:24.000 Who's fighting?
01:41:25.000 Cub Swanson.
01:41:25.000 Cub Swanson.
01:41:26.000 I don't...
01:41:26.000 So, about that fight.
01:41:31.000 I... I don't like the fight.
01:41:33.000 I don't have a problem with it.
01:41:35.000 I feel like Frankie just got knocked out.
01:41:38.000 Yep.
01:41:39.000 And that's really soon to come back.
01:41:40.000 If anybody can bounce back from something like that, it's a guy like Frankie.
01:41:44.000 But I felt the same way about Bisbing fighting after he didn't get knocked out.
01:41:49.000 He got dropped by George and then got choked unconscious.
01:41:51.000 He was like, yeah, he shouldn't take that Gaston fight so soon.
01:41:54.000 Yep.
01:41:54.000 Completely agree.
01:41:55.000 And I feel that way about this fight because I feel like Frankie wants this fight because he wants to get that taste out of his mouth.
01:42:03.000 But it's still going to taste the same.
01:42:06.000 Anytime you go back and watch that fight, you're still going to have those feelings.
01:42:10.000 You're going to win your next fight, more than likely.
01:42:12.000 You're Frankie Edgar.
01:42:13.000 You don't have to rush it.
01:42:15.000 Like, let your brain rest.
01:42:17.000 Recover.
01:42:18.000 That's how I feel about it.
01:42:19.000 But that's only because I'm 41 now.
01:42:22.000 If I was 26, maybe I would have been...
01:42:25.000 And I know Frankie's like 32, 33. I think he's 36. Frankie's 36?
01:42:29.000 I think he's 36. Find out for us.
01:42:32.000 I'm pretty sure Frankie's 36. But I'm like, you want to go out there and do it, but...
01:42:38.000 When I think about brain trauma and the things that I forget, I'm always like, my CTE's flaring up.
01:42:46.000 Yeah.
01:42:47.000 Well, you know, he fought Cub just a couple of years ago and mauled him and got a last-second submission.
01:42:55.000 Maybe he just thinks, look, there ain't a fucking thing in the world this guy can do to stop me.
01:43:00.000 Yeah.
01:43:00.000 You know, I fucked him up before.
01:43:02.000 I'm going to fuck him up again.
01:43:03.000 It doesn't matter.
01:43:03.000 I'm not even going to get hit.
01:43:04.000 I'm just going to get a hold of him ragged on just like I did before.
01:43:07.000 But Cub Swanson can crack.
01:43:10.000 He can crack.
01:43:11.000 And he's got a kid now.
01:43:12.000 And he's got a second kid along the way.
01:43:14.000 And he doesn't quit.
01:43:15.000 Does not quit.
01:43:16.000 And that makes dudes hungry.
01:43:17.000 And that fight is probably a massive motivating factor for Cub Swanson.
01:43:24.000 Cub is still around and he's still number four because he takes the lessons from these fights.
01:43:31.000 He learned something in that fight with Frankie.
01:43:33.000 I can't see that fight going.
01:43:35.000 I mean, there's a part of me that can't see that fight going exactly the same way, but I can also see Cub having made adjustments because of the lessons that he learned from that fight.
01:43:43.000 Sure.
01:43:44.000 And he had to learn from the Ortega fight as well.
01:43:46.000 You look at how Ortega handled Frankie.
01:43:49.000 He handled him very smart.
01:43:51.000 Very creative.
01:43:52.000 I mean, Cub fights a different way.
01:43:53.000 Cub is more of an in-and-out guy, and he explodes on you, and he keeps his hands down low and sneak shots on you.
01:44:00.000 He does a lot of weird shit.
01:44:03.000 He's real creative.
01:44:04.000 He's got to watch out for the takedown and the wrestling control, though, because that was a big factor in the fight.
01:44:09.000 That was giant.
01:44:09.000 That's where you got controlled.
01:44:11.000 But, I mean, it's a great fight.
01:44:13.000 I just, again, I'm just all about what's better in the long run.
01:44:18.000 Right.
01:44:18.000 Well, it's Tom's River.
01:44:20.000 The problem is he's New Jersey and this is going to be in Atlantic City and all the boys are going to come down.
01:44:27.000 I'm with you 100%.
01:44:28.000 I would like to see this fight, but I would like to see this fight in six months.
01:44:32.000 Yeah.
01:44:33.000 Yeah.
01:44:33.000 I mean, it's a good fight.
01:44:34.000 It's a good fight.
01:44:36.000 And Frankie could go in there and wipe him out or do exactly what he did last time.
01:44:41.000 Or it could be a battle and nothing comes of it.
01:44:44.000 But it's just like, I'm like, ear on the side of caution.
01:44:46.000 Some good fights on this card, man.
01:44:49.000 David Branch and Tiago Santos.
01:44:51.000 I'm looking forward to that one.
01:44:52.000 That's a tricky fucking fight.
01:44:54.000 That Tiago Santos guy is a murker.
01:44:57.000 That dude crushes people.
01:45:00.000 And ever since he's lost to Spicely, he's been more focused.
01:45:05.000 He's a fucking animal, man.
01:45:06.000 Very dangerous striker.
01:45:07.000 And David Branch, coming off of that performance against Luke Rockwell, he had Rockhold hurt.
01:45:12.000 He had Rockhold hurt, and he wound up getting dominated, wound up getting mounted and beaten down, got his back taken and smashed.
01:45:22.000 He learned a lesson in that fight too.
01:45:23.000 For sure.
01:45:24.000 You learn a lot about conditioning when you fight a guy like Rockhold too.
01:45:28.000 Rockhold is one of the best in the division at top control.
01:45:32.000 He gets on top of dudes like what he did with Chris Weidman.
01:45:35.000 Weidman is a stud wrestler.
01:45:37.000 He gets on top of him and it's like he might as well have a building sitting on him.
01:45:42.000 His body type is something that's hard to deal with.
01:45:47.000 With just how long he is, but how good he is at jiu-jitsu and the controls and positioning.
01:45:53.000 That's a problem, man.
01:45:54.000 Because you have to make that extra effort.
01:45:57.000 When you start hip escaping, and on a regular guy, a guy that you're comfortable with the size, you don't have to make the movements as long.
01:46:08.000 But Luke, his build and the way he is...
01:46:11.000 And his understanding of positioning.
01:46:13.000 That's a hard...
01:46:15.000 He's a hard out for a lot of guys.
01:46:17.000 Yeah, he's got that Hodger Gracie type body.
01:46:19.000 That long, strong...
01:46:21.000 It's weird.
01:46:22.000 It's just different.
01:46:23.000 It's like when I first rolled with those guys over...
01:46:26.000 The judo guys.
01:46:28.000 Manny Gamburian and Karu and those guys.
01:46:31.000 I rolled with them and it's like they have this jiu-jitsu style that's like the timing is just off a beat somehow.
01:46:38.000 And they're hitting all these Kimuras and it's like...
01:46:40.000 It feels funky.
01:46:41.000 I feel like that's how Rock Hole's body is.
01:46:44.000 Cody McKenzie was like that.
01:46:46.000 When I fought Cody, I was like, I'm really good at escaping back control.
01:46:50.000 And I peel him off and it's like, how much leg do you have?
01:46:55.000 You know what I mean?
01:46:56.000 It just keeps going.
01:46:58.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:46:58.000 Well, that's what makes the Yoel Romero fight all the more impressive.
01:47:03.000 Yoel Romero shut that shit down entirely.
01:47:06.000 He's terrifying, man.
01:47:08.000 But he's seen everything, right?
01:47:09.000 Like wrestling all the best guys in the world.
01:47:12.000 Did you see the podcast I did with him and Joey Diaz?
01:47:14.000 I watched some of it and I like to listen to your stuff when I'm going to bed.
01:47:19.000 So it's all in my head sometimes when I pass out.
01:47:22.000 When I was in Texas, I was driving all the time.
01:47:24.000 So I would listen when I leave Austin, drive to Houston.
01:47:27.000 I would hear like two or three episodes because I'm going there and then coming back.
01:47:31.000 That's a three hour, two and a half hour drive each way.
01:47:33.000 Out here, I'm not in the car as much.
01:47:35.000 So I get a lot of snippets.
01:47:37.000 So I got some of the OML, but I haven't got the whole episode.
01:47:41.000 It was amazing.
01:47:42.000 Talking about the program, the wrestling program coming up in it, what it was like.
01:47:46.000 Amazing.
01:47:47.000 Yeah, I heard some of that about how, you know, they're on a pyramid and they...
01:47:55.000 What was it?
01:47:56.000 The top guys, they get the best.
01:47:58.000 They get some of the best food, the best accommodations.
01:48:02.000 They get three meals a day.
01:48:03.000 The other guys get two.
01:48:05.000 Yeah.
01:48:05.000 Yeah.
01:48:05.000 Like everything's better.
01:48:07.000 And they're all working out with each other all the time.
01:48:10.000 So they're all around each other all the time.
01:48:11.000 And he's like, everybody knows you hurt your wrist.
01:48:13.000 Oh, everybody knows.
01:48:15.000 And those are the guys you're going to have to go against.
01:48:16.000 Yeah.
01:48:17.000 Yeah.
01:48:17.000 See, that is a representation of capitalism.
01:48:21.000 Yeah.
01:48:22.000 Right?
01:48:22.000 Right?
01:48:22.000 It is.
01:48:23.000 That's exactly what it is.
01:48:24.000 It is capitalism inside of communism.
01:48:26.000 Yeah.
01:48:26.000 Yeah.
01:48:28.000 But keep people poor and hungry, and the best in the world, the best they can do is get three meals a day.
01:48:34.000 Right.
01:48:34.000 And live in a better place.
01:48:38.000 Now we got political.
01:48:40.000 Yeah, but it is political.
01:48:43.000 People need motivation.
01:48:45.000 They need incentive for their actions.
01:48:47.000 People that think socialism is a good idea have never accomplished anything.
01:48:50.000 There's no way you've competed.
01:48:52.000 There's no way.
01:48:53.000 If you're a competitor and you understand the benefit and the value of competition, I'm not talking about capitalism competitive.
01:48:59.000 I'm talking about just actual competitive in anything.
01:49:02.000 Anything where you're trying to get a position, and it's a very difficult position, so you want to work harder than the other people around you.
01:49:08.000 You know about merit-based Performance.
01:49:11.000 Like, you know, like, you should achieve based on your merit, based on what you have actually shown to, like, how much work you've put in, what you've accomplished, you should benefit from that.
01:49:23.000 And the idea that everybody should be paid equally, and that everybody should just have, oh, man, we'll just contribute, and just, I'll give a little, you give a little.
01:49:31.000 Those fucks never give their share.
01:49:33.000 They're never good.
01:49:35.000 They're never the best at what they do.
01:49:36.000 They never know how to compete.
01:49:37.000 They just don't.
01:49:39.000 They just don't.
01:49:39.000 It's not saying that there's not some aspects of a community where we should have some socialist ideas.
01:49:45.000 Like, I believe in free education.
01:49:47.000 I believe...
01:49:48.000 That, without a doubt, our nation, as wealthy as it is, can afford to have better healthcare and better education.
01:49:54.000 Those two things, I think, are gigantic factors in just having a healthy community.
01:49:59.000 But if you want a quality of outcome, you can suck my dick.
01:50:03.000 That's nonsense.
01:50:04.000 There's no such thing as a quality of outcome.
01:50:05.000 Because if you have real freedom...
01:50:08.000 Real freedom, you're always going to have inequality of outcome.
01:50:13.000 Because the real freedom is a guy like Jocko wants to get up at 4.30 in the morning and work out every day.
01:50:17.000 Whereas some people just want to sleep till noon.
01:50:20.000 I'd rather just lay in bed, man.
01:50:21.000 I like to go to the beach and hang out.
01:50:23.000 I'm not in a hurry.
01:50:24.000 I'm not in a rush.
01:50:25.000 Good!
01:50:26.000 I hope you enjoy yourself.
01:50:27.000 There's nothing wrong with that.
01:50:28.000 But if you want the same amount of money as that motherfucker's up at 430 in the morning, hustling, constantly cranking out, got three different things in the air, three different things going on, projects constantly, always in the middle of something, always pushing, always trying to improve, always looking at himself, always being self-critical,
01:50:44.000 always analyzing, what do I have to do to get better?
01:50:46.000 And you're not, but you want the same outcome.
01:50:48.000 F-f-f-fuck you!
01:50:51.000 I completely agree with that.
01:50:54.000 I feel like there's this, the world, or especially the country, is in the best place when there are more people in the middle.
01:51:01.000 When there's these extremes, and I feel like the people that were in the middle, they've somehow been dragged further out to these extremes because, yeah, going far right with some things, right?
01:51:16.000 No, you don't get anything.
01:51:17.000 You don't get this unless you work for it.
01:51:19.000 Yeah, absolutely.
01:51:20.000 100%.
01:51:21.000 But some of the things that go along with that, yeah, but then everybody gets a trophy.
01:51:27.000 No, everybody doesn't get a trophy.
01:51:29.000 You should get a trophy if you were able to compete to the level that...
01:51:35.000 That's deserving of a trophy.
01:51:36.000 And that's it.
01:51:37.000 Everybody shouldn't get one.
01:51:39.000 You lost.
01:51:40.000 You shouldn't get the same thing that the guy that won got.
01:51:43.000 You did well and you lost.
01:51:44.000 And there's a big competition with a big group and you did better than some of them.
01:51:48.000 Yeah, maybe you get some of the pie.
01:51:50.000 But this whole thing of everybody's equal, I disagree.
01:51:56.000 But I feel like there's aspects of everything that should be everywhere.
01:52:01.000 So when I say that, what I mean is like...
01:52:04.000 Capitalism, like, we saw capitalism inside communism in that example, right?
01:52:08.000 Well, inside capitalism, there should be some socialism.
01:52:12.000 Like, let's look at the Major League Baseball, right?
01:52:17.000 The Yankees, they're in the playoffs every year because they can afford to buy the best players, you know?
01:52:23.000 But, like, look at Green Bay, Wisconsin.
01:52:26.000 Small market team.
01:52:27.000 They can win a Super Bowl because of the socialistic revenue sharing inside the NFL. It's a weird dynamic where there are things that apply in different situations, but people can't compartmentalize enough so that these things can happen and we can all make it work out.
01:52:48.000 I feel like you said about healthcare and education.
01:52:52.000 Yeah, healthcare and education.
01:52:53.000 We have the funds for those things to be good across the board, but why is it that the schools in this rich area are always...
01:53:04.000 They always have the better scores.
01:53:06.000 But then when you take the same type of effort and you put that somewhere in a poor area, their scores come up and they can compete if they have the same effort from the faculty and the staff and whatnot.
01:53:21.000 And same thing with law enforcement.
01:53:23.000 Law enforcement is better in these areas where...
01:53:26.000 It's like, there's no crime here, and this is where all the rich people live, and this and that.
01:53:29.000 Yes, but they also have better law enforcement.
01:53:32.000 They're police patrolling that area in a different fashion.
01:53:37.000 It's this weird thing where...
01:53:39.000 It's not equal.
01:53:40.000 It's not equal, and those things should be equal, but as far as these people live in a poor area now, and these people, they don't.
01:53:51.000 They have a lot of money...
01:53:52.000 Because of family wealth, because of work ethic, because of all of that, yeah.
01:53:57.000 Everybody deserves to be safe.
01:53:59.000 Everybody deserves to have that at the very least.
01:54:03.000 So let's enforce the laws and patrol and do those things in this area just as much as we do for this area and put the money into that because that's a community thing.
01:54:14.000 Now when we're talking about what they have, they have nicer pools.
01:54:17.000 Well, they pay higher taxes and they do this thing.
01:54:19.000 Okay, well, if you want that, now that you're safe enough and your education is where it is, let's start reinvesting in that community.
01:54:26.000 Let's not get to the point where we can afford to be here.
01:54:31.000 So we go there.
01:54:32.000 No, we can afford to be there, but let's just try reinvesting in this community to make this community more like that one.
01:54:39.000 But if we have the protections to do that, then I feel more comfortable reinvesting in this community.
01:54:46.000 It's so weird.
01:54:47.000 All these things are all over the place and you've got to put them together.
01:54:50.000 Well, we don't treat our country as if it's a giant community.
01:54:53.000 If it was a giant community where everybody's equal, we would look at all the problem spots and say, okay, well, there's these crime-ridden, poverty-stricken communities that can't seem to catch a break.
01:55:04.000 So the people that come out of that, even though we're saying, hey, there's an open playing field to compete, that's not true.
01:55:10.000 Because they're coming at it with a massive disadvantage from the jump.
01:55:14.000 An education disadvantage, an environmental disadvantage in what they see around them all the time.
01:55:19.000 They're around a lot of I-can't-catch-or-break dudes, right?
01:55:21.000 And a lot of trap.
01:55:22.000 A lot of criminals, a lot of bullshit, a lot of different ways you could go wrong, a lot of things that could set you down a terrible path in life, and it's around you all the time.
01:55:31.000 And if we tried to engineer society to say, well, how do we have less people that are disadvantaged?
01:55:39.000 How do we have less losers?
01:55:41.000 What's the best way?
01:55:42.000 Well, you've got to go to the problem spots.
01:55:44.000 All the problem spots we should be dumping money in.
01:55:46.000 And And I'm not saying that we shouldn't do anything overseas, because I think a lot of the things that we do overseas probably help and protect us over here.
01:55:55.000 But there's a lot of shit we don't have to do.
01:55:57.000 And that shit, we could take that money and just fix cities.
01:56:00.000 Just go in and throw a ton of money and compassion and education and community centers and make places safe for people to learn how to be an adult.
01:56:10.000 You know what the U.S. military budget is yearly?
01:56:14.000 It's insane.
01:56:14.000 Do you have any idea?
01:56:16.000 No, I don't.
01:56:16.000 It's like $600 billion?
01:56:20.000 I think it's higher than that.
01:56:22.000 It's higher than that now?
01:56:22.000 I think it's in the trillions.
01:56:23.000 I think it's in the trillions.
01:56:24.000 That is crazy.
01:56:27.000 That kind of takes me...
01:56:29.000 Let's guess.
01:56:30.000 You say $600 billion?
01:56:31.000 I say $600.
01:56:32.000 I say $1.3 trillion.
01:56:34.000 Wow.
01:56:34.000 I'm crazy though, dude.
01:56:36.000 $600 billion.
01:56:36.000 I don't even know what $1.3 trillion looks like.
01:56:39.000 What is it?
01:56:42.000 Dun-dun-dun.
01:56:43.000 Technically both.
01:56:45.000 Technically both?
01:56:46.000 Yeah, the thing that when you put when I googled it, the last one that was reported, I suppose, was 2015. It was $597 billion.
01:56:54.000 Which year?
01:56:55.000 Twenty-what?
01:56:55.000 2015. The new one that Trump just signed that was approved is for $1.3 trillion.
01:57:02.000 That must be where I heard it.
01:57:04.000 Oh boy.
01:57:05.000 That's a lot of cash.
01:57:06.000 How much for education, Mr. Trump?
01:57:08.000 We don't need no stinking books.
01:57:10.000 Oh, I think that's actually the whole bill.
01:57:12.000 That's $700 billion of that is for the military.
01:57:14.000 Oh, what's the rest of it for?
01:57:16.000 Everything else.
01:57:16.000 Schools!
01:57:17.000 Yeah, a little bit.
01:57:18.000 Can you imagine if someone just said $700 billion for schools?
01:57:22.000 You'd be like, what?
01:57:23.000 Yeah, we're not fucking around anymore.
01:57:24.000 Yeah.
01:57:25.000 We're ready to take over.
01:57:25.000 We're going to invest 10 years with $700 billion a year in a school system.
01:57:29.000 Man.
01:57:30.000 That sounds nice, right?
01:57:32.000 What do you think the education budget is for the country?
01:57:35.000 If you had to guess, what's the overall public education budget in the United States, primary through high school?
01:57:43.000 I never thought about it.
01:57:44.000 That's awesome.
01:57:45.000 We go with $600 billion for the military.
01:57:48.000 I'm going to go with $100 billion.
01:57:52.000 I'll go $100 million.
01:57:54.000 $100 million.
01:57:55.000 As of 2011, discretionary budget was $70 billion.
01:58:00.000 Whoa.
01:58:01.000 That's up from...
01:58:02.000 Education budget?
01:58:03.000 Yeah, 2006, it was $56 billion.
01:58:06.000 Huh.
01:58:06.000 So it's higher than it has been in the past.
01:58:11.000 70 billion, and what does that cover?
01:58:14.000 There's too many fucking people.
01:58:16.000 Yeah, I would say that what it covers...
01:58:18.000 What it's supposed to cover and what it actually covers is a different thing.
01:58:21.000 What's it supposed to cover?
01:58:23.000 I'll have to look deep into that.
01:58:25.000 You just said there's too many people?
01:58:27.000 There's so many people.
01:58:28.000 So check this out.
01:58:29.000 I think the same thing, right?
01:58:31.000 And I did some slight research.
01:58:35.000 19...
01:58:37.000 55, I think it was.
01:58:39.000 Guess what the population of the planet was.
01:58:41.000 Oh, we did that the other day.
01:58:42.000 It was like 2 billion.
01:58:43.000 Right.
01:58:44.000 2 and a half.
01:58:46.000 2 and a half billion.
01:58:47.000 And now we're at 7 and a half billion.
01:58:49.000 When I was in high school, we went with like 85. I think it was 5 billion.
01:58:55.000 So just since 1985 to today, it's gone up.
01:59:00.000 Doubled from the 50s, and now we've added another half to that, 50% to that.
01:59:06.000 So many people.
01:59:08.000 But I was thinking about that, and I'm looking at it, and if it's exponential, in 50 years, we will have nearly 20 billion people on this planet.
01:59:18.000 Yeah.
01:59:20.000 That's crazy.
01:59:21.000 That's crazy.
01:59:21.000 Yeah, everywhere is going to look like Los Angeles.
01:59:24.000 Like, imagine if there was still, like, I think in the 1800s, there were still millions of people on the planet.
01:59:31.000 Not billions.
01:59:33.000 Here it is right here.
01:59:33.000 The President's 2017 budget provides $69.4 billion in discretionary funding.
01:59:39.000 But that's education?
01:59:41.000 Yes, this is for the Education Bill.
01:59:44.000 $139.7 billion in new mandatory funding for the U.S. Department of Education.
01:59:47.000 The budget supports implementation of Every Student Succeeds Act, which embraces many of the reforms in the administration along, has long supported to improve outcomes for all students.
01:59:57.000 It also makes crucial investments that build the administration's work to advance educational equity.
02:00:05.000 And excellence, support teachers and school leaders, promote college affordability and completion.
02:00:11.000 These include...
02:00:11.000 I think college should be free.
02:00:13.000 I think we could figure out how to make college free.
02:00:15.000 I'm with Bernie Sanders on that.
02:00:16.000 It's a rare thing.
02:00:17.000 I just don't think you should be in fucking debt up to your asshole by the time you get out of school.
02:00:21.000 I think it's crazy.
02:00:22.000 It's a fucked up way to start your life.
02:00:24.000 And people are like, well, you want to make a list that separates the people that really want it and the people that...
02:00:29.000 You get stuck in debt, and you can't even get out of that debt.
02:00:33.000 It's not even regular debt.
02:00:34.000 It's blood debt.
02:00:35.000 Some weird debt.
02:00:36.000 But doesn't having a more educated society help everybody in the long run?
02:00:42.000 Sure.
02:00:43.000 Everybody would make more money.
02:00:45.000 Everybody would make more money.
02:00:47.000 I don't get that.
02:00:48.000 But you would have to make sure that whoever the fuck is teaching these kids...
02:00:55.000 You have to be real stringent with what you're letting get pushed through if you're going to throw that much money on it.
02:01:01.000 There's a lot of shitbag teachers out there.
02:01:03.000 We'd have to clean that up.
02:01:05.000 You know, a lot of people.
02:01:06.000 Hey, there's a lot of shitbag teachers out there and now they want to give them guns.
02:01:10.000 That's the dumbest shit of all time.
02:01:12.000 That's the dumbest shit of all time.
02:01:14.000 That is the dumbest shit of all time.
02:01:15.000 You can't expect teachers to become soldiers.
02:01:18.000 That's crazy.
02:01:18.000 That's not what they do.
02:01:19.000 They're not warriors.
02:01:20.000 They shouldn't be out there having firefights with pilled up former high school students.
02:01:27.000 It's fucking insane.
02:01:29.000 I don't know what the solution to that is, honestly.
02:01:32.000 I do not know what the solution is.
02:01:33.000 You know, the NRA thinks it's having guns everywhere.
02:01:36.000 The anti-Second Amendment people think it's getting all the guns away.
02:01:40.000 But you're not going to get all the guns away.
02:01:42.000 The thing about, like, people say guns don't kill people, people kill people.
02:01:45.000 I'm like, no, people with guns kill people.
02:01:47.000 They definitely do.
02:01:48.000 Hear exactly how much the government would have to spend to make public college tuition free.
02:01:53.000 How much?
02:01:54.000 What do you think it is?
02:01:55.000 Okay, let me guess.
02:01:56.000 One trillion a year.
02:01:58.000 Way, way, way less.
02:02:00.000 Way less?
02:02:01.000 Yeah, I would say...
02:02:02.000 Really?
02:02:02.000 That's according to this article.
02:02:04.000 Okay, what does it say?
02:02:05.000 About a billion?
02:02:06.000 What is the website?
02:02:08.000 The Atlantic?
02:02:08.000 The Atlantic, yeah.
02:02:09.000 Okay, that's a left-leaning website, but they're not ridiculous.
02:02:12.000 Yeah, it got updated.
02:02:13.000 So the article says $62.6 billion, a mere 62. But there's updates on the bottom of the article that said that's...
02:02:21.000 Some readers say that's in addition to what they already spend, so that makes it maybe double...
02:02:26.000 Well, you know, here's one way they make it really fucking cheap.
02:02:30.000 Have it available for free online.
02:02:33.000 Everybody should be able to get an education online.
02:02:36.000 I really firmly believe that.
02:02:37.000 I think they should have courses that you could just sign up and take them like a regular college course.
02:02:42.000 You don't have to be in a physical location anymore.
02:02:44.000 That's so retro.
02:02:45.000 That's so unnecessary.
02:02:47.000 Get in your car and get to traffic and go to UCLA. The only thing good about that is you're in the room with someone like a Jordan Peterson or some really good professor that's really inspirational and you're in there with them and they talk to you and you're like, oh, okay.
02:03:00.000 And you get to be in their presence and see like, Oh, this guy was probably my age one day and he figured all this shit out.
02:03:06.000 Maybe some extra juice to that.
02:03:08.000 I used to have a bookmark saved.
02:03:09.000 I think it was Harvard.
02:03:10.000 It was a long list of recorded lectures that were from any class, I think.
02:03:16.000 There probably was a limit to what they were doing.
02:03:18.000 It's definitely not accessible anymore, especially for the public.
02:03:21.000 But it was fully accessible.
02:03:23.000 Anybody that wanted it, that's why I had it saved.
02:03:24.000 I don't know, Joe.
02:03:26.000 I mean, when I think about that, like I said earlier, all these formulas fit into different things.
02:03:30.000 You say that and it's like, you can be at home looking at them on the screen and learning versus being in the same room.
02:03:38.000 And it's like, yeah, but you could also go to a strip club and watch strippers dance.
02:03:44.000 Or you could be at home watching them porn.
02:03:46.000 And when you're at home watching them, you're going to pull it out and rip one.
02:03:50.000 You know?
02:03:51.000 Right.
02:03:52.000 So you're saying that if you get your education home, you're just going to beat off?
02:04:00.000 That's a real problem.
02:04:02.000 You know, Louis C.K. was saying once that he has a computer that he writes on that's not connected to the internet.
02:04:09.000 Because he just can't get distracted and force himself to...
02:04:12.000 I think that's what I'm saying.
02:04:14.000 The problem is the distraction.
02:04:15.000 With having access to everything right there.
02:04:18.000 That's true.
02:04:19.000 But you also have to be disciplined.
02:04:21.000 That's the biggest part.
02:04:23.000 It's discipline.
02:04:24.000 It's discipline.
02:04:25.000 And that goes back to what I believe that ties back into what I was saying before about all this entertainment out there.
02:04:30.000 Everybody's it is always like scratching at you like, hey, Pay attention to me.
02:04:34.000 Give me something to do.
02:04:36.000 So this is some onlinelearning.harvard.edu.
02:04:39.000 So they allow you to study the pyramids of Giza, ancient Egyptian art and archaeology, and it's free.
02:04:45.000 Yeah, this is a whole course on it for free.
02:04:47.000 Oh, that's nice.
02:04:47.000 There's a bunch of them.
02:04:48.000 How many courses do they have that are available for free?
02:04:51.000 Tons.
02:04:51.000 I don't know.
02:04:51.000 Nice.
02:04:51.000 I just clicked one that looked interesting, too.
02:04:53.000 Excellent.
02:04:54.000 They have a methadone?
02:04:55.000 Oh, medicine.
02:04:56.000 Yeah.
02:04:58.000 I was like, what are you giving people?
02:04:59.000 They get methadone online.
02:05:00.000 Yeah, what?
02:05:01.000 All these courses you could take.
02:05:02.000 Oh, that's nice.
02:05:02.000 And the problem is you don't get credentialed.
02:05:04.000 So if somebody wants you to have a job for it, you can't show them, like, I took this free course and passed it.
02:05:08.000 That seems to be less and less of a factor in the future.
02:05:13.000 I think having a degree is going to mean less than it means now.
02:05:17.000 I think so.
02:05:18.000 I feel like...
02:05:21.000 With the internet?
02:05:22.000 Yeah.
02:05:22.000 If you have the right guidance, you can have the syllabus from a college course, and you have the internet.
02:05:30.000 Without getting the paper that says you've done it, you can literally learn what you would learn in a classroom.
02:05:38.000 You should have to take a test for the job you do.
02:05:40.000 Say if you're a car stereo installation person, you should have a real deep knowledge of the electrical systems in an automobile and what electronics sync up with that and how it works well and what makes them work and how does a radar detector work?
02:05:53.000 How does a CD player work?
02:05:55.000 How does...
02:05:56.000 You should have to take a test based on whatever the job it is you're interested in.
02:06:00.000 And if you want to be a doctor, obviously we're talking about different ball of wax.
02:06:04.000 Then you should have a full understanding of humans.
02:06:06.000 You're cutting people open and draining their shins and shit.
02:06:09.000 You should...
02:06:11.000 He should have a real deep understanding of the human body, but like, how does that do you any good if you want to be a mechanic or if you want to be, you know, whatever the fuck you do for a living, there should be a way where you could, like if you're an advertising executive,
02:06:26.000 you should take a test to find out how much you know about the advertising business, and there's a lot of shit that you don't need to know.
02:06:33.000 That you went to school for to get a degree.
02:06:36.000 Yeah, there's some weird things that go along with that though.
02:06:38.000 It's like you have all these things that you have to take these courses to graduate.
02:06:44.000 Yeah, to get a general education.
02:06:46.000 Yeah, you have to get a general education.
02:06:47.000 Which is a good thing, right?
02:06:48.000 You want people to understand.
02:06:50.000 Yeah, definitely.
02:06:50.000 You want to understand the world, right?
02:06:53.000 There are things that are more important.
02:06:54.000 You take that back to high school, and we can talk about, like, everybody knows the Pythagorean theorem in high school, but you can't do your taxes.
02:07:01.000 And you start working, most people start working at, like, 16. When you start working at McDonald's or Gap or something at 16, 17, you're still paying taxes at the end of the year, right?
02:07:11.000 So, doing that in February and March, in school, in your math classes, how is that not something that happens, you know?
02:07:21.000 Right.
02:07:22.000 It's just, it's one of these weird situations where the education is important, right?
02:07:29.000 But let's learn the things that actually apply to life.
02:07:33.000 Yeah.
02:07:34.000 I feel like you should get out of high school with a basic understanding of most things.
02:07:39.000 Yes.
02:07:39.000 Right?
02:07:39.000 Like general education in high school makes sense.
02:07:42.000 Right.
02:07:42.000 But I feel like once you get into college, whatever the fuck you're trying to pursue...
02:07:47.000 It should be very specified.
02:07:49.000 Very specific to whatever the fuck your business is.
02:07:54.000 You don't need to take gender studies classes.
02:07:56.000 But also you probably don't necessarily need all the textbook knowledge because there's certain jobs that actual experience matters more than the textbook knowledge.
02:08:10.000 I couldn't tell you exactly which ones.
02:08:12.000 Well, how about what Jamie does?
02:08:14.000 There's a problem with Jamie's job.
02:08:15.000 He went to school to be an audio engineer, but all that shit that you used back then, that shit's all useless.
02:08:22.000 How much of it is useless?
02:08:23.000 I mean, the hardest test I think I took was after we were all done was for Pro Tools.
02:08:28.000 It's basically for a computer program.
02:08:29.000 They get certified that you know this program very well.
02:08:32.000 That's almost what you're explaining.
02:08:34.000 That program is like version 6 of the program.
02:08:37.000 Back then, I think they were updating it maybe once every two years.
02:08:40.000 It's been updated like four times this year, probably.
02:08:43.000 And they're on level like 11 now.
02:08:44.000 So it's completely useless that I know all that.
02:08:47.000 They've updated all of the limits, are completely unlimited things now.
02:08:51.000 So it doesn't even matter that you know all that.
02:08:52.000 So someone getting out of school with just the education that you got in school literally can't do it today?
02:08:58.000 You'd have to go back and do it again, sort of.
02:08:59.000 They offer that at the school.
02:09:01.000 You can go back and...
02:09:03.000 Refresher?
02:09:03.000 Right, yeah.
02:09:04.000 For free.
02:09:04.000 That's part of the benefit of going to this school, I would say.
02:09:08.000 But to have the time and the ability to go back to Florida and stay there for a month so I could go take that class.
02:09:14.000 I can't take a month off of this to do it.
02:09:16.000 I'm like, who's going to pay for my apartment down there and here?
02:09:19.000 It's a really tough situation you put yourself in.
02:09:21.000 That's a lot with a lot of anything that has to do with technology, right?
02:09:26.000 Where it's constantly moving forward.
02:09:27.000 Yeah, it's changing.
02:09:28.000 And the thing about technology, it's like there's some savants in that, you know?
02:09:33.000 There are these kids and these people that pick up on technology and they understand it so well, and they have no formal education with it, or no real formal education.
02:09:42.000 Technology is one of those things that I, especially, I feel like it's the most apparent thing where you don't have to go to school You have to have the experience.
02:09:50.000 Yeah.
02:09:51.000 And you have to be engrossed in whatever the subject is.
02:09:53.000 Exactly.
02:09:54.000 Yeah.
02:09:55.000 But then again, it comes back to what we're talking about with discipline.
02:09:57.000 Like, how much time do you want to spend to work on things?
02:10:00.000 And look, that's applicable to finding.
02:10:02.000 Like, you knew so many people in the gym that just did not put the time into drilling techniques and learning them and really Getting a fully comprehensive understanding of why you're supposed to do something a certain way.
02:10:15.000 And they just kind of listened a little bit, worked out kind of hard, and maybe they had a little bit of athletic talent.
02:10:20.000 And then they would come back in, but the guys who would stay and drill and think and learn and take notes, those guys always moved past.
02:10:29.000 They always moved further.
02:10:30.000 And also the guys that were willing to do what was uncomfortable, willing to do things that they're not good at.
02:10:37.000 Like I said, I don't like getting hit.
02:10:42.000 I didn't like getting hit.
02:10:43.000 I mean, I accept that as a part of the job.
02:10:45.000 But I didn't like it.
02:10:46.000 When I first started training, probably for my first 10-15 fights, I was showing up late to practice because boxing was first.
02:10:56.000 I didn't want to spar.
02:10:58.000 I didn't want to get hit.
02:10:59.000 And so I was like, well, I don't like getting hit.
02:11:03.000 I got to avoid getting hit.
02:11:04.000 But I got to have things coming at me to learn how to avoid that.
02:11:09.000 Wow.
02:11:11.000 I started showing up on time.
02:11:13.000 I started doing more boxing and I started doing more boxing.
02:11:15.000 I was like, this is fun.
02:11:17.000 I like this.
02:11:18.000 I'm enjoying this.
02:11:19.000 Same thing with wrestling.
02:11:20.000 I knew how to sprawl.
02:11:22.000 I knew how to shoot a double, a basic double, the 1990s double.
02:11:26.000 But then I started training with Tyron.
02:11:29.000 Then I started training with Steve Brown and Dan Vallemont and Jordan Lean and these D1 wrestlers and starting to learn all the other aspects of wrestling.
02:11:37.000 There was something I did in the fight with Stout where it's an ankle breaker.
02:11:42.000 It doesn't actually break your ankle.
02:11:44.000 It's just the name of the technique.
02:11:46.000 I actually watched the tape and you call it like a standing heel hook.
02:11:50.000 Where I have his ankle, a single leg, and I try to trip him and crank his leg down.
02:11:55.000 And...
02:11:56.000 I would have never done that if I hadn't been wrestling with these kids and learning these things.
02:12:02.000 And there's so much about it and it just became a whole lot of fun.
02:12:05.000 Now, I used to hate wrestling.
02:12:07.000 I used to not want to do it at all.
02:12:09.000 Now, that's kind of all I want to do.
02:12:11.000 You see that with everything.
02:12:13.000 You see that with jiu-jitsu guys getting into striking.
02:12:15.000 You see it with strikers getting into the ground game.
02:12:18.000 You see wrestlers getting into striking.
02:12:19.000 Yeah, they just don't want to do it.
02:12:21.000 They just don't.
02:12:21.000 And they also particularly don't want to get involved in something they're not really good at.
02:12:26.000 Like if you're a monster at one thing, like if you're a monster on the ground, you don't want to be a white belt at kickboxing, get your legs chewed up, and get your nose bloodied every time you spar, and you're covering up in the corner and be like, I can just grab this guy and make him my bitch.
02:12:40.000 And you can't even.
02:12:41.000 You gotta just eat shots.
02:12:43.000 Nobody wants that.
02:12:44.000 You saw that a lot with kickboxers in particular that would go into jujitsu class and just did not like how they would get humbled.
02:12:53.000 They did not like it at all.
02:12:54.000 Because they were literally starting from scratch.
02:12:56.000 If you don't have a grappling background and you go in there and get some black belts and killers, they make you feel helpless.
02:13:02.000 They make you feel like you are not safe ever.
02:13:06.000 All they have to do is grab you and it's over.
02:13:08.000 You're 100% getting choked.
02:13:10.000 That's too fucked up for some people.
02:13:12.000 They can't handle that shit.
02:13:14.000 They feel like...
02:13:15.000 And then that's the case also with a slow, plodding grappler that fights a dynamic striker, and then you have to stand up.
02:13:22.000 And you get leg kicked to death by Edson Barbosa.
02:13:25.000 Fuck all that.
02:13:28.000 Fuck that.
02:13:30.000 I've never been leg kicked to death.
02:13:34.000 But I've taken two or three from Tiago in a practice when I first started training an American Top Team.
02:13:40.000 I feel good about checking kicks.
02:13:43.000 I'm comfortable there.
02:13:44.000 But he landed a couple and I was like, yeah, fuck that.
02:13:47.000 So I would work with Tiago a lot and I feel comfortable now checking kicks.
02:13:51.000 You might get one, you might get two off, but I'm not letting you do that to me.
02:13:57.000 He had a good whipping right leg kick, too.
02:14:01.000 He would whip it in there.
02:14:02.000 You know?
02:14:03.000 Like, his kick was, like, super textbook, man.
02:14:07.000 Especially when he was in his prime.
02:14:08.000 He would throw that jab one...
02:14:11.000 He would either throw a one-two or a jab and then just slam that right leg in there.
02:14:16.000 Woo!
02:14:16.000 Like, he's hopping into it.
02:14:18.000 Woo!
02:14:19.000 Like, that's how...
02:14:19.000 I feel like Edson Barbosa is, like, the 2.0 with Tiago Alves, you know?
02:14:23.000 He's a little faster.
02:14:24.000 Yeah.
02:14:25.000 Edson's stunning.
02:14:26.000 Like, especially that switch kick.
02:14:28.000 He throws that switch kick and you're like, what?!
02:14:31.000 Yeah.
02:14:32.000 His left leg switch kick is probably the fastest kick I've ever seen anybody throw from that stance.
02:14:37.000 I'd love to see something lined up where you time a regular person, a southpaws, right kick, I'm sorry, their left kick, and you time his switch kick to that, or also put his up against somebody else's switch kick.
02:14:52.000 He's got like a Muay Thai World Championship caliber switch kick.
02:14:55.000 You see a real high-level Thai boxer, they've got that same kind of speed to it.
02:15:00.000 You watch his and you're like, there's no comparison in the octagon.
02:15:03.000 You're not countering that.
02:15:04.000 You'd be lucky to react in time.
02:15:07.000 You're just taking it.
02:15:08.000 You're just taking it.
02:15:09.000 It's real quick.
02:15:11.000 Yeah, but again, we go back to that Nurmagomedov fight.
02:15:13.000 As good as he was, he got fucking mauled.
02:15:16.000 Yeah.
02:15:16.000 That's what's really crazy, because he didn't get mauled in the Ferguson fight.
02:15:20.000 It was a good fight.
02:15:21.000 It was a good fight.
02:15:22.000 Ferguson was winning.
02:15:23.000 It was a good fight until Tony caught him with the darts and sunk that choke in.
02:15:27.000 But then again, that's a few years, too.
02:15:30.000 Yeah, definitely.
02:15:31.000 You could say that Barboza might be better.
02:15:33.000 Everybody should be better.
02:15:34.000 All three of those guys should be better at this point.
02:15:39.000 But yeah, it's dangerous.
02:15:42.000 And I would like to see...
02:15:43.000 I mean, Barbosa, he's shown improvement after every loss that he had.
02:15:48.000 He showed improvement after the Tony loss.
02:15:50.000 So this fight with Kevin Lee, let's see.
02:15:53.000 That's right into the fucking hot of things, too.
02:15:56.000 Like right out of the frying pan, right into the fire.
02:15:58.000 For both guys, though.
02:16:00.000 Fuck yeah, for both guys.
02:16:01.000 Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
02:16:03.000 Kind of crazy.
02:16:04.000 Kevin Lee might get beat up in that one.
02:16:05.000 Oh, yeah, man.
02:16:06.000 He might get wheel kicked.
02:16:08.000 Yeah.
02:16:08.000 You know, he might get Terry Edmed.
02:16:09.000 Remember that fight?
02:16:10.000 Yep.
02:16:11.000 Isn't that crazy that that was the first time a wheel kick ever landed in a UFC fight?
02:16:14.000 First wheel kick KO. Yeah, that's right.
02:16:16.000 Yeah.
02:16:17.000 I think Seth Petruzzelli landed a wheel kick, but he didn't knock anybody out with it.
02:16:21.000 You needed someone with that kind of speed, though.
02:16:23.000 Yeah.
02:16:24.000 Woo!
02:16:25.000 Because the game has changed.
02:16:27.000 But then, you know, Vitor landed on a rock hole.
02:16:29.000 A bunch of people have landed a wheel kick since then.
02:16:31.000 But that one wheel kick was so crazy.
02:16:34.000 It was so perfect.
02:16:35.000 It landed right on the jaw and just shut the lights out.
02:16:38.000 Man, he went down like a tree.
02:16:40.000 Yeah, he was out going down.
02:16:42.000 That was in Brazil.
02:16:44.000 I don't know.
02:16:45.000 Barbosa is a fun guy to watch, man.
02:16:47.000 I'm excited to be on the desk now.
02:16:50.000 It's a good fight.
02:16:51.000 Especially those two fights.
02:16:53.000 I love watching Cub and Frankie fight.
02:16:56.000 I still feel the same way about...
02:16:57.000 I think I would love to see that later.
02:17:01.000 I'm not crazy...
02:17:04.000 About the fight in the sense that I've seen it once and it could go that way again.
02:17:09.000 But I am excited to see the improvements, if Cub is able to make any adjustments going into that one.
02:17:16.000 But it's not a necessary thing.
02:17:19.000 There's some fights that I don't like just for the mathematics of the fight, like Dustin Poirier and Gaethje.
02:17:25.000 I love Dustin.
02:17:26.000 He's my boy.
02:17:27.000 But I don't like it because Dustin and Eddie.
02:17:31.000 The fight with Dustin and Eddie.
02:17:33.000 The fight was going one way.
02:17:34.000 There was a...
02:17:35.000 Was it called a no contest for a disqualification?
02:17:38.000 I'm like, I disagree with that.
02:17:41.000 I know I'm biased, but I feel like my argument is strong in that the ref, Herb, came back to the locker rooms and he explained to us that we're using the old rules.
02:17:52.000 So, if by the old rules, all three of those needs were illegal...
02:17:56.000 It doesn't matter if it was intentional.
02:17:58.000 It matters if it's illegal.
02:17:59.000 That's the way I understand the rules.
02:18:01.000 So that's my thing.
02:18:02.000 So you feel like it should be disqualified and it should be a loss.
02:18:04.000 Right.
02:18:05.000 I think that's a real good argument.
02:18:09.000 It's a real good argument.
02:18:10.000 And I don't think Eddie's a dirty fighter.
02:18:13.000 No.
02:18:13.000 But I do think Dustin was winning that fight up until those moments.
02:18:17.000 Yeah, I agree.
02:18:18.000 He had hurt Eddie and it stunned him on several occasions.
02:18:21.000 Eddie came back and cracked him.
02:18:22.000 There was a lot going on in that fight, but those knees were supposed to be a disqualification for something like that.
02:18:29.000 And that's what the whole idea is about doing something illegal.
02:18:31.000 You do something illegal and the guy gets really hurt from it.
02:18:34.000 That's illegal.
02:18:35.000 You weren't supposed to do it.
02:18:36.000 It's a disqualification.
02:18:37.000 I think he's in the heat of the moment.
02:18:39.000 He probably didn't even know whether it was legal or not.
02:18:40.000 He was just trying to land knees.
02:18:42.000 Who knows?
02:18:42.000 He's been rocked.
02:18:44.000 You've got to put that into account as well.
02:18:47.000 He got hurt real bad in that fight.
02:18:49.000 Dustin cracked him.
02:18:51.000 Yeah, like...
02:18:53.000 So mathematically, would you like to see the rematch?
02:18:55.000 I would like to see the rematch.
02:18:58.000 Definitely.
02:18:59.000 I mean, Dustin was lobbying for the rematch also.
02:19:01.000 And then on top of that, mathematically, I feel like it doesn't make sense because Eddie just beat Gaethje.
02:19:08.000 Right.
02:19:08.000 So it's like this disqualification happened and this one guy got to step up the ladder.
02:19:15.000 Right.
02:19:15.000 But now if you want to step up the ladder, you have to do exactly what he did.
02:19:19.000 Right, that's a good point.
02:19:20.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
02:19:21.000 Well, that essentially is solidifying the position as a no contest, right?
02:19:25.000 Because you're making you think he should have won.
02:19:28.000 I tend to agree with you, and you think that he should have a better position.
02:19:34.000 Yeah, I think a rematch would be the way to go, but I still want to see that fight, I gotta be honest with you.
02:19:38.000 As a fight fan?
02:19:40.000 Yeah.
02:19:41.000 Gaethje Poirier?
02:19:42.000 Ooh!
02:19:43.000 Gaethje's an interesting guy.
02:19:45.000 Yeah.
02:19:45.000 Tough motherfucker and he throws leg kicks from like a foot away from you.
02:19:49.000 He's like right on top of you and he swivels his hips and chops down with that leg.
02:19:54.000 He doesn't care about getting ran over with a takedown either.
02:19:57.000 Well, he's a very good wrestler.
02:19:59.000 Yeah.
02:20:00.000 Very good wrestler that chooses to stand and bang.
02:20:03.000 You know, and just breaks guys with his will.
02:20:05.000 Then Michael Johnson fight.
02:20:06.000 Holy shit.
02:20:08.000 Holy shit.
02:20:09.000 And when you stop and think about that, right after I said that, I'm like, God damn, Michael Johnson's been in some fucking wars.
02:20:14.000 Yeah, he has.
02:20:15.000 He's been in some wars.
02:20:17.000 With Ferguson, I mean, well, he beat up Tony a bit.
02:20:22.000 But Johnson, Johnson's one of those guys you can't count out either.
02:20:25.000 But his inconsistencies is what throws me off.
02:20:29.000 Yeah.
02:20:30.000 You know?
02:20:31.000 He's oftentimes very good, like in the Poirier fight, when he knocked out Dustin.
02:20:35.000 He's very good in that fight.
02:20:37.000 And then he's had his moments, but then Elkins just takes him down and strangles him.
02:20:42.000 He's like, wow.
02:20:43.000 I wonder if that cut had anything to do with it, you know?
02:20:47.000 Did he get cut in that fight?
02:20:48.000 No, the weight cut, I'm sorry.
02:20:49.000 Oh, the weight cut.
02:20:50.000 Just making 45 for the first time.
02:20:51.000 He could very well be.
02:20:52.000 I mean, he looked real lean.
02:20:54.000 Real lean.
02:20:55.000 Who knows how he felt.
02:20:57.000 Doing it for the first time is probably real hard.
02:20:59.000 Is he doing it again, or is he going to go back up to 55?
02:21:02.000 I have not heard.
02:21:04.000 I mean, it may be out there, but I haven't heard anything about it as far as if he's going back to 55 or not.
02:21:09.000 What's the most you ever cut?
02:21:12.000 I didn't know what I was doing the first time.
02:21:14.000 I made 154 to fight Ruminasato.
02:21:16.000 I cut 17 pounds in a day.
02:21:19.000 Whoa.
02:21:20.000 That was ridiculous.
02:21:21.000 Did you have to fight day of?
02:21:23.000 Day after.
02:21:25.000 How'd you rehydrate?
02:21:26.000 Did you use IV bags?
02:21:28.000 No.
02:21:28.000 I drank Pedialyte.
02:21:30.000 Did it work?
02:21:32.000 I don't know.
02:21:33.000 The fight didn't last very long.
02:21:34.000 It's on Fight Pass, and it's hard to see, but as the fight happens, I throw a jab, and I hit Sato as he's coming in.
02:21:43.000 I turn his head over, and bang!
02:21:46.000 As he's coming in, we clash heads.
02:21:48.000 And I go to my knees, and I get up, and I grab the ropes.
02:21:51.000 And I'm just holding on to the ropes, and the ref is screaming at me, slapping my ass, telling me to get off the ropes.
02:21:55.000 And I'm just looking at him like, what are you talking about?
02:21:57.000 And then he jumps on my back, and he starts choking, and I'm fighting, and I'm falling back.
02:22:02.000 And one of the ropes peels my hands off, and he just sinks in the choke.
02:22:05.000 All happens in like 20 seconds.
02:22:07.000 Wow.
02:22:08.000 But like, after learning about rehydration, I didn't know anything.
02:22:12.000 This is like 1999. Right.
02:22:14.000 And this is the first time I fought at 55. After learning about rehydration and the brain and all that, I'm like, was I out from that?
02:22:23.000 Like, I... This was when I was a kid.
02:22:26.000 I don't care anymore about the result.
02:22:28.000 But was I out?
02:22:30.000 Was I semi-conscious?
02:22:32.000 I don't remember any of that, but I watch it on tape and I see it and I know what happens.
02:22:36.000 But I don't know.
02:22:38.000 Yeah, so you don't know how much of a weakened state you were in because it was such a quick fight.
02:22:41.000 You didn't get a chance to assess how your body...
02:22:43.000 How did you feel like walking to the ring?
02:22:45.000 Do you remember?
02:22:45.000 I remember feeling good, but I was a 20-something, like 21-year-old maybe fighting...
02:22:53.000 A guy who I look up to in a main event in Hawaii on a show on Super Brawl.
02:22:59.000 Super Brawl.
02:23:00.000 Super Brawl has some great fucking fights, man.
02:23:03.000 Yeah.
02:23:04.000 Like, that's old school, you know?
02:23:06.000 Remember Egan Inoue versus Mayhem Miller?
02:23:09.000 Yep.
02:23:09.000 Holy shit.
02:23:10.000 Egan gets Mayhem into Kimura.
02:23:12.000 Mayhem keeps rolling out of it with those impossible joints.
02:23:15.000 Damn.
02:23:16.000 Super braw.
02:23:17.000 Ray Cooper.
02:23:18.000 Great fights.
02:23:19.000 Wasn't that Vitor's debut against John Hess?
02:23:21.000 Yup.
02:23:22.000 Yeah.
02:23:23.000 Shaq was in the audience.
02:23:24.000 Remember Shaq jumps up to celebrate?
02:23:26.000 I didn't know that.
02:23:26.000 I don't remember that.
02:23:27.000 Yeah, Vitor lit John Hess up.
02:23:29.000 That's when John Hess was like one of the last remaining bullshit artists.
02:23:33.000 He was a SAFTA guy.
02:23:35.000 Like, street combat.
02:23:36.000 Like one of those guys poking people in the eyes and shit.
02:23:38.000 That's what he basically did in his UFC debut.
02:23:41.000 He poked the shit out of some guy he fought.
02:23:44.000 So he fought some short guy and poked him in the eyes.
02:23:46.000 Well, yeah, this is Vitor.
02:23:47.000 This is...
02:23:48.000 Back up a little bit.
02:23:49.000 There wasn't much there.
02:23:50.000 Yeah, but just back up a little bit because this is right before the fight starts.
02:23:53.000 Yeah, there.
02:23:54.000 Let it go here.
02:23:55.000 Oh, it starts with the beating.
02:23:57.000 That was a weird video.
02:23:59.000 Oh, okay.
02:23:59.000 Look at this.
02:24:00.000 Look at him.
02:24:02.000 He's out!
02:24:03.000 Yeah, that was super fast Vitor.
02:24:05.000 I was training with Vitor then.
02:24:06.000 Oh yeah?
02:24:07.000 Vitor's 19 years old, man.
02:24:08.000 That's when I was at Carlson Gracie's on Hawthorne.
02:24:11.000 It was right down the street from the comedy store, man.
02:24:13.000 I was so jealous of Vitor and that UFC Brazil when he fought Vanderlei.
02:24:17.000 Because I was like, this kid's my age.
02:24:19.000 We were born the same year, I guess.
02:24:21.000 I was like, he's my age.
02:24:22.000 He's already in the UFC. I wish I was 200 pounds.
02:24:25.000 Like, I remember...
02:24:26.000 Rod Woodson was this safety for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I was like, he's 5'9", 200 pounds, because there were only two weight classes back then.
02:24:36.000 Trey Tellingman.
02:24:37.000 Yeah, he fought Trey Tellingman.
02:24:38.000 He was only 200 pounds back then, man.
02:24:40.000 When he fought in his UFC debut and he beat the shit out of Scott Ferozo, he was only 200 pounds, and he was shredded.
02:24:47.000 Just shredded.
02:24:48.000 Was his UFC debut Ferozo or was it against Vanderlei?
02:24:52.000 Teligman.
02:24:52.000 Teligman was his debut.
02:24:54.000 Ferozo right here.
02:24:55.000 That was the second fight of the night.
02:24:56.000 This is the first fight that I worked.
02:24:58.000 This was in Dothan, Alabama in 1997. When did he fight Vanderlei?
02:25:01.000 He fought Vanderlei in 96?
02:25:04.000 No, 98 I think.
02:25:07.000 In Ultimate Ultimate Brazil.
02:25:10.000 He fought Tank Abbott.
02:25:12.000 This is when Vitor was getting bigger, but he was still fast.
02:25:17.000 He was probably like 215 or 220 then.
02:25:21.000 And then he fucked up Tank Abbott.
02:25:23.000 But then as he got older...
02:25:27.000 Not older, but later, like here, he's still pretty jacked.
02:25:31.000 But then when he fought Randy Couture, remember this?
02:25:33.000 This is Joe Charles.
02:25:34.000 That might have been a fix.
02:25:37.000 You ever see that fight?
02:25:37.000 He didn't throw any punches.
02:25:39.000 They were friends.
02:25:40.000 He just grappled.
02:25:41.000 And he got him in an arm bar.
02:25:42.000 That was like, they kind of had a deal.
02:25:44.000 Here's the Vandelay fight.
02:25:46.000 You got to remember, the Vandelay fight was when he had slimmed down.
02:25:50.000 It was after Randy had already fucked him up.
02:25:52.000 Okay.
02:25:52.000 It was after Randy.
02:25:53.000 Yeah.
02:25:53.000 Okay.
02:25:54.000 When Randy fought him, Vitor was 240 and he looked like a lion.
02:25:58.000 He didn't even look like a person.
02:26:00.000 See if you can find Vitor.
02:26:02.000 This is Pride 5. I posted a picture of that a couple months ago about Vitor at that point before the Randy fight.
02:26:09.000 Yeah.
02:26:10.000 Because he had no known weaknesses.
02:26:12.000 Right, that's what it said.
02:26:13.000 No known weaknesses.
02:26:14.000 He lost to Sakuraba in this fight.
02:26:16.000 He hurt his hand.
02:26:17.000 Broke his hand early.
02:26:18.000 And this is also, this is Vitor after his sister got kidnapped and murdered.
02:26:24.000 He was a different guy then.
02:26:26.000 Sakuraba was so fucking tough too, man.
02:26:29.000 Sakuraba just knew how to survive.
02:26:31.000 See if you can find Vitor versus Randy Couture.
02:26:34.000 Because that's the crazy one.
02:26:35.000 When you just look at his build.
02:26:37.000 Yeah.
02:26:37.000 He was so big, man.
02:26:40.000 It's like his traps were coming up to his ears.
02:26:42.000 Here it is, right here.
02:26:45.000 This is him versus Randy.
02:26:47.000 So this might be, it says Young Vitor Belfort, so it's probably only going to show you the good stuff.
02:26:53.000 Yeah.
02:26:54.000 He was so thick back then.
02:26:56.000 But the thing I remember is how big his neck was.
02:26:59.000 It started at the top of his head and worked its way down sideways at a 40 degree angle.
02:27:06.000 Those are the Wild West days, man.
02:27:08.000 You know?
02:27:08.000 I mean, how many guys did you fight where you're like, oh, shit, this dude's definitely on the juice?
02:27:13.000 I didn't even think about juice back then.
02:27:15.000 I didn't even know what it was.
02:27:16.000 Really?
02:27:16.000 I fought.
02:27:17.000 There's a video on YouTube.
02:27:19.000 I fought this guy.
02:27:20.000 So, Bosh Ruten was coming to Texas, and I was like, I was this huge Bosh Ruten fan, and he told my coach he was coming.
02:27:27.000 I emailed.
02:27:27.000 My coach emailed.
02:27:28.000 He said I could be there.
02:27:29.000 I was supposed to fight in Dallas that night.
02:27:30.000 I called the guy up in Dallas because I had fought for him before, and he shorted me on some money.
02:27:34.000 I was like, I'm not coming up there, man.
02:27:36.000 I'm not fighting for you.
02:27:37.000 And I went to this arena where Boss was going to be at.
02:27:39.000 And I told the guy, hey, anybody...
02:27:41.000 I walked into the rules meeting.
02:27:42.000 I was like, if anybody doesn't have an opponent, I'll fight.
02:27:44.000 And they gave me a guy that was like two-something.
02:27:48.000 Big Jack dude.
02:27:49.000 And a big, like a man.
02:27:52.000 And I was a child.
02:27:53.000 My roommate was like, hey, did you see your opponent?
02:27:56.000 I was like, no.
02:27:57.000 He's like, man, he's like 6'2".
02:27:59.000 He's probably like 220. He's jacked.
02:28:01.000 And I was like, and boss was like, Eve, Eve, Eve.
02:28:03.000 He's drinking.
02:28:04.000 He's like, Eve, you go out there and you fight and you win?
02:28:07.000 I'm going to be like, yeah.
02:28:09.000 You fight and you lose?
02:28:10.000 I'm going to be like, yeah.
02:28:13.000 Fuck these people.
02:28:14.000 They don't understand what it takes to get in there.
02:28:16.000 You don't worry about it.
02:28:16.000 I will corner you.
02:28:17.000 I was so excited.
02:28:20.000 It was the coolest fucking thing in the world.
02:28:22.000 Just having Boss Root in your corner.
02:28:25.000 What a motivating factor that is.
02:28:27.000 Right?
02:28:28.000 I was this excited kid.
02:28:30.000 I was watching all these Pancras videos.
02:28:32.000 I had pictures of myself.
02:28:34.000 Before I even knew the guy, before I had any idea I'd possibly meet him, I have pictures of myself doing that double front kick in my leg.
02:28:41.000 I still have him.
02:28:42.000 It's horrible.
02:28:44.000 And then I meet the guy and he's willing to corner me and whatnot.
02:28:47.000 Yeah.
02:28:48.000 I'll fight anybody.
02:28:49.000 That's incredible.
02:28:50.000 I'll fight Dan Severn.
02:28:51.000 Dan Severn was there.
02:28:52.000 I'll fight him right now.
02:28:54.000 That is incredible.
02:28:56.000 That's incredible.
02:28:58.000 That's good, man.
02:29:00.000 Yeah.
02:29:01.000 Sorry.
02:29:02.000 You're taking me back.
02:29:03.000 Yeah, man.
02:29:04.000 That's one of the beautiful things about MMA. Especially with a guy like you.
02:29:08.000 You were there for the...
02:29:09.000 Really, the beginning, the early, early, early days, man.
02:29:13.000 You were there when there was no money, no notoriety, no nothing.
02:29:18.000 Yeah, five shows a year, that type of stuff.
02:29:20.000 Josh Thompson posted a picture a couple days ago of him and Hermes.
02:29:25.000 Hermes Franca.
02:29:26.000 Yeah.
02:29:27.000 I forgot about that, dude.
02:29:28.000 That was a good fight.
02:29:29.000 I remember watching that and thinking, Josh, as he posted something about that fight, should have made him the number one guy.
02:29:35.000 Because, like, we were the guys at that point.
02:29:38.000 We were Hermes and Josh.
02:29:39.000 And when he beat Hermes, I was like, I gotta fight these guys.
02:29:43.000 These are the guys I want to fight.
02:29:44.000 Then I fought Hermes, and then it was like, that's it.
02:29:47.000 It's just Josh and I, we gotta do this.
02:29:50.000 Right.
02:29:50.000 You know?
02:29:52.000 That highlight kick that you landed on him, too, was like one of those UFC pre-fight video highlight reel things that would play with the Who song.
02:30:03.000 Yeah, the Bob O'Reilly song.
02:30:04.000 Bob O'Reilly would play and you would land that jumping roundhouse kick to the neck.
02:30:09.000 That was a crazy highlight reel KO finish, man.
02:30:13.000 That was just old school good times, you know?
02:30:16.000 Yeah.
02:30:16.000 Those are the guys that I remember those days.
02:30:19.000 I remember when they had that tournament with Dean and Uno and Matt and...
02:30:25.000 Who was the third guy?
02:30:26.000 BJ. They had that tournament for the belt, and I was like, why am I not in this tournament?
02:30:32.000 I was angry.
02:30:32.000 I was young.
02:30:33.000 I had a little bit less fights than Dean at the time.
02:30:36.000 A little less experience at that high level, anyway.
02:30:39.000 And I was just like, I can fight these guys.
02:30:41.000 I can beat these guys.
02:30:42.000 I had just lost the decision to Uno.
02:30:44.000 I was like, yeah, I know how to be on this level.
02:30:47.000 I should be in this.
02:30:47.000 I was so pissed.
02:30:50.000 No, I remember those days, man.
02:30:52.000 Those...
02:30:54.000 It's fun thinking about them.
02:30:55.000 It's fun going back and watching the whole card because you start getting these memories of being around that, preparing for those days, being on the card and seeing those guys.
02:31:05.000 The fights were like in Bossier City, Louisiana.
02:31:09.000 Some small town, these small arenas where I'm close to Texas families driving over.
02:31:16.000 And then when I first went to Vegas to fight, man, that first fight in Vegas was right after 9-11.
02:31:23.000 Empty.
02:31:23.000 The casinos were empty.
02:31:25.000 I remember that.
02:31:25.000 That's when Tito Ortiz fought Vladimir Matyushenko.
02:31:28.000 I remember that.
02:31:29.000 I was there for that.
02:31:30.000 I wasn't even working for the UFC then.
02:31:33.000 No?
02:31:33.000 No.
02:31:34.000 No, I was there as a guest.
02:31:35.000 I was there watching.
02:31:38.000 I remember Blotnick was there.
02:31:40.000 Yeah.
02:31:40.000 One of the ways I got the job was by...
02:31:43.000 I became friends with Dana, and Dana and I would go to dinner, and I'd start asking him questions.
02:31:49.000 I'm like, have you ever seen Genki Sudo?
02:31:51.000 Have you ever seen this guy?
02:31:52.000 Have you ever talked about this guy?
02:31:53.000 What you try to do is get some of those K1 guys to come over.
02:31:56.000 I would just be telling him all this shit about fighting, and he was like, you want to do commentary?
02:32:01.000 I was like, I don't want to work, man.
02:32:03.000 He talked me into doing it.
02:32:05.000 That's literally how it happened.
02:32:07.000 Becoming friends with him, talking to him.
02:32:09.000 Oh, and he found some old...
02:32:10.000 He found a video of me on the Keenan Ivory Wayans show talking shit about what would happen if Steven Seagal fought in the Octagon.
02:32:18.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:32:20.000 I vaguely remember that.
02:32:21.000 Keenan had been in some movie with Steven Seagal, and I was fucking with him about the movie.
02:32:26.000 I was just joking around and mocking it.
02:32:29.000 I remember those rumors of you and Wesley Snipes getting in.
02:32:33.000 That was supposed to happen.
02:32:34.000 It should have happened.
02:32:35.000 Yeah.
02:32:36.000 I think he just needed money, man.
02:32:37.000 I think he just needed tax money.
02:32:39.000 Yeah.
02:32:40.000 And it was at a point in my life where I was just dumb enough to do it.
02:32:44.000 I was like, I'll do this.
02:32:46.000 I was like, man, this dude got tapped out by Andy Dick.
02:32:48.000 Wesley, you can take it.
02:32:50.000 I got tickled out.
02:32:52.000 Tickling doesn't work, right?
02:32:54.000 No one's ever done that in a fight.
02:32:56.000 You wouldn't even feel it in a fight.
02:32:57.000 Nah.
02:32:58.000 You wouldn't even feel it.
02:32:59.000 Like if someone wasted time, like, come on, come on.
02:33:02.000 You just hit them.
02:33:03.000 Just elbow right in the mouth.
02:33:05.000 You're that close.
02:33:06.000 Imagine if someone was so ticklish that you could open up a submission.
02:33:10.000 Like a ticklishness could open up a submission.
02:33:13.000 That's horrible.
02:33:14.000 You know what?
02:33:14.000 You might be, like if someone's turtled up, you know, in your back, you can hit that rib tickle.
02:33:19.000 Maybe.
02:33:19.000 I'm going to try that in the gym.
02:33:21.000 Yeah, in the gym it might work.
02:33:23.000 I'm gonna try to rib tickle somebody in the gym and I get their back next time.
02:33:27.000 Here's a question.
02:33:27.000 Has anybody ever knocked a guy out where someone's on your back and you hit him with one of these and knock him out?
02:33:32.000 I've never seen that.
02:33:33.000 I've never seen it either.
02:33:34.000 But I've seen people keep trying it.
02:33:37.000 They keep trying it.
02:33:39.000 Right?
02:33:39.000 I don't think anybody's ever knocked anybody out with that.
02:33:42.000 Like, can you practice that?
02:33:43.000 Like, could you get a guy to ride your back with the pads on?
02:33:48.000 And he'd hold up pads, and you'd fucking...
02:33:50.000 That sounds dumb as shit.
02:33:54.000 Sounds dumb as shit.
02:33:55.000 Yeah.
02:33:55.000 Right?
02:33:57.000 I wouldn't do that.
02:33:58.000 But you know what does work that you can't do?
02:34:01.000 Headbutting.
02:34:02.000 Yeah.
02:34:02.000 Like if a guy's on your back, and if you've got wrist control, and you smash your head into his head, that is a legitimate technique.
02:34:09.000 You're smashing the back of your head into his nose.
02:34:12.000 That's legit.
02:34:13.000 Yeah.
02:34:13.000 That's legit.
02:34:15.000 But it's a headbutt.
02:34:17.000 It's a headbutt.
02:34:17.000 It's illegal.
02:34:18.000 But it opens up the rear naked.
02:34:21.000 Yeah.
02:34:21.000 But it's not the best defense.
02:34:25.000 The best defense is proper jujitsu defense, but there's something to headbutting someone who's got your back that it's another thing they have to think about.
02:34:33.000 But if you allowed headbutts, then you would allow the ultimate move from the rear naked choke position, which is him elbowing you in the back of the head.
02:34:41.000 That's the ultimate move.
02:34:43.000 That changes the whole position.
02:34:45.000 Yeah, but also headbutts changed the guard position, too.
02:34:48.000 Yep.
02:34:48.000 Remember Mark Coleman when he fought Maury Smith?
02:34:50.000 In those old days, Coleman would get on top of guys and just smash his fucking head right into your nose.
02:34:55.000 There was an event from Australia from way back in the day, from I think the late 90s, where this guy won one of his fights in the tournament, or maybe a couple fights, from inside the guard headbutting.
02:35:08.000 Whoa.
02:35:09.000 And then I remember that.
02:35:09.000 Remember the guy who put his chin in the guy's eye socket?
02:35:12.000 Mark Kerr.
02:35:13.000 That was Kerr?
02:35:13.000 Kerr did that.
02:35:14.000 Okay.
02:35:15.000 Dan Bobish.
02:35:16.000 Dan Bobish.
02:35:18.000 Got on top of him, got the back of his head, stuffed his chin into his eye socket, and lifted up the back of his head and crushed his chin into his eyeball.
02:35:26.000 Yikes.
02:35:26.000 That's gross.
02:35:27.000 That's as gross as it gets.
02:35:29.000 That's horrible.
02:35:30.000 Yeah.
02:35:30.000 Man, I've seen a lot of those, you know, from the old school.
02:35:34.000 There was these things that would happen that would never happen today.
02:35:38.000 Right.
02:35:38.000 You know, and it's fun to watch some of that old stuff.
02:35:41.000 Look at this guy.
02:35:43.000 He's just throwing, running in.
02:35:45.000 Wow, that's crazy.
02:35:47.000 Is that going to work?
02:35:48.000 That's Oleg Tektar.
02:35:49.000 And it looks like it.
02:35:51.000 The guy on the right, for a second, I thought it was Oleg Tektar.
02:35:53.000 Right?
02:35:54.000 Yeah, no, he would never do something like that.
02:35:56.000 That's a question I like to ask young, like, you know, like when they ask rappers, what do you think of Run DMC? Right.
02:36:03.000 Like, that's a question, that's a name that I'll drop on in young fighters, like Oleg Taktarov or Jerry Bolander or something like that.
02:36:09.000 Jerry Bolander.
02:36:10.000 You know?
02:36:11.000 Yeah, Jerry Bolander became a cop.
02:36:12.000 Yeah.
02:36:14.000 Wilson Gouveia became a cop, too.
02:36:15.000 Did he?
02:36:16.000 Yeah.
02:36:17.000 He's like a SWAT cop.
02:36:18.000 No shit.
02:36:18.000 Yeah.
02:36:19.000 He's a talented guy.
02:36:20.000 He's like one of the baddest SWAT cops on the force, I hear.
02:36:23.000 Yeah, I would imagine.
02:36:24.000 He was a talented guy.
02:36:25.000 Yeah.
02:36:26.000 He was a guy that I was kind of surprised didn't go further.
02:36:29.000 Wilson was one of those guys who I believe couldn't put it together inside the octagon as well as he could in the gym.
02:36:40.000 And also, he could have put more effort into preparing.
02:36:46.000 Well, that's oftentimes the case.
02:36:48.000 The difference between someone...
02:36:51.000 Who just does fantastic and someone who just doesn't quite...
02:36:54.000 Just someone who falls up short.
02:36:56.000 Yeah.
02:36:56.000 I think it also comes from the way you come up in the sport.
02:37:01.000 Some of these guys, they come up and they're the best guy in their area for a long time.
02:37:06.000 And...
02:37:07.000 You kind of get this attitude or you start developing this persona of like, I don't have to do all that work because I'm not even doing that much and I'm still smashing everybody in here.
02:37:18.000 Well, that's where it's crazy about a guy like Jon Jones.
02:37:20.000 He actually can do that.
02:37:21.000 Yeah, right?
02:37:22.000 He's one of the rare guys that actually can do that.
02:37:26.000 Man, I wonder how much money he's left on the table with all these problems, especially with the attention that Conor's brought to the sport and a guy like Jon Jones.
02:37:38.000 I know.
02:37:40.000 Good as he is.
02:37:41.000 Good as he is.
02:37:43.000 I feel like for the longest time, too, he was trying to push this goody-two-shoes image, and everybody was like, well, that's not you.
02:37:50.000 This is fake.
02:37:51.000 And then all of his problems sort of forced him to just be himself, and then people were like, we like you more now!
02:37:57.000 And then he winds up testing positive for something else.
02:38:00.000 Which I believe him, it was accidental.
02:38:03.000 I believe that it was accidental.
02:38:05.000 In this case, because it doesn't make any sense any other way.
02:38:09.000 Because if you look at how he tested positive and what he tested positive for, and how recently he tested negative before that, and how recently afterwards he tested negative, you're talking about something that was such a minuscule trace amount, there's no way you could consider taking something like that and having it have some sort of positive effect,
02:38:28.000 performance enhancing effect.
02:38:29.000 Now, was that the substance?
02:38:32.000 Is it oral?
02:38:33.000 Can it be taken already?
02:38:34.000 Yeah, it can be taken oral.
02:38:35.000 Okay.
02:38:36.000 So, I've heard, and I don't know how true this is, I would expect it to be somewhat true, but I've heard, like, in boxing, you know, you...
02:38:45.000 The main eventers, they've had these issues where they would provide their own food because they don't trust the staff for somebody spiking their food with something.
02:38:55.000 You could definitely have that.
02:38:58.000 That sounds far-fetched, but it also sounds to some degree reasonable.
02:39:04.000 His position was weakened by his testimony in the California State Athletic Commission hearing because, first of all, he said that Malky had forged a signature on one of the documents, on one of the things that he was supposed to have gone over, like what you can and can't.
02:39:17.000 I think it was a USADA... I'm just kidding.
02:39:37.000 But that's not good and then there was a bunch of stuff in like what he Provided as a possible source of that stuff You know like he didn't he didn't have in these a lot of the things that he provided as a source this stuff in his list of stuff that he had taken Yeah,
02:39:54.000 you know There's a lot going on there man, but the real problem is like John at one point Thomas being represented by Nike I mean, he was representing Nike.
02:40:03.000 He had a huge Nike contract.
02:40:05.000 Yeah.
02:40:06.000 And that's huge.
02:40:08.000 Goddamn, that was giant.
02:40:09.000 Because that was pre-Reebok, too.
02:40:10.000 That was the pre-Reebok days where he would have got all the juice.
02:40:14.000 He would have got it all.
02:40:16.000 You know, the coulda, shoulda, woulda shit goes on forever.
02:40:20.000 And on top of that, the coulda, woulda, shoulda, of that being pre-Reebok and it being Nike with everything that's come to the sport since then, imagine if John...
02:40:31.000 Like, he could have gone a Jordan route in some sense, you know?
02:40:35.000 Yeah.
02:40:35.000 Where he's got...
02:40:36.000 Whole line of John Jones, MMA type shit that's nice he's behind.
02:40:41.000 He could be the heavyweight champion right now.
02:40:43.000 Who knows?
02:40:44.000 I mean, who knows?
02:40:45.000 Absolutely, he could be in a super fight with Stipe.
02:40:48.000 Absolutely.
02:40:50.000 100%.
02:40:50.000 Absolutely.
02:40:52.000 That would be a huge fucking fight, man, for MMA. John coming up to heavyweight.
02:40:57.000 I mean, it's a huge fight with DC coming up to heavyweight.
02:41:00.000 Yes.
02:41:01.000 And the only guy to ever best him is John.
02:41:04.000 Yeah.
02:41:04.000 And not just best him, he KO'd him.
02:41:06.000 Yeah.
02:41:06.000 I mean, he hit him with that left high kick that DC said, you're not going to hit me with that left kick.
02:41:12.000 Yeah.
02:41:12.000 He literally said that because he was saying he exposes some tendencies.
02:41:15.000 He's like, oh, you mean the left kick?
02:41:16.000 You're not going to hit me with that left high kick.
02:41:18.000 And then, boom, he lands the left high kick.
02:41:21.000 Is that like the Titanic?
02:41:22.000 A little bit.
02:41:24.000 It only sank because they said it wouldn't?
02:41:26.000 Yeah, maybe.
02:41:27.000 A little bit.
02:41:28.000 That's kind of crazy.
02:41:29.000 Yeah.
02:41:30.000 A couple weeks ago, I saw you at the Comedy Store and you asked me about your boy, Brendan.
02:41:36.000 Yeah.
02:41:40.000 Let's explain the whole thing to people that don't know the story.
02:41:43.000 Brendan said something where...
02:41:47.000 He was talking about UFC Tonight, right?
02:41:50.000 It's UFC Tonight?
02:41:51.000 Yeah.
02:41:51.000 Well, he was talking about the Fox panel.
02:41:53.000 The Fox panel.
02:41:54.000 And he said something about, I get it, Fox, you're not racist.
02:41:59.000 Like saying that you have a bunch of black people on it because they're not racist.
02:42:04.000 Yeah.
02:42:05.000 Because they're not racist.
02:42:07.000 Myself, Tyron, and Karen Bryant were the three that were on the desk that day.
02:42:11.000 But also a lot of times Rashad, a lot of times...
02:42:14.000 DC. Yeah.
02:42:15.000 Yeah.
02:42:16.000 And so it was like, but are you checking off boxes?
02:42:20.000 Because are these the best brains and the best speakers for the job?
02:42:23.000 And it was like, and, you know, some people see the point that he was trying to make, the point that he claims that he was trying to make.
02:42:32.000 But the thing is, when you start in on this race thing, you're saying effectively that there's a person or a group of these people are only there because of the color of their skin.
02:42:47.000 You could say all of that without the whole, I get it, you're not racist.
02:42:52.000 Are you checking off boxes or whatever?
02:42:54.000 Because if that doesn't matter to the question or the point that you're trying to make, then why bring it up?
02:43:01.000 I feel like I know Brendan very well.
02:43:04.000 I love him.
02:43:05.000 He's one of my best friends.
02:43:06.000 He's definitely not a racist, but he definitely talks too much.
02:43:09.000 Yeah, and I don't mean that in a bad way like he talks too much I mean like he says he has too many podcasts and too many things and you say things and I'm a hundred percent guilty of this You say things and you're like why I even say that and then all of a sudden you're defending it and then you're caught up in a You know,
02:43:25.000 just like a wave of just trying to sort out what you're saying without someone being there to say, well, look, here's the thing.
02:43:35.000 Tyron Woodley, UFC welterweight world champion.
02:43:38.000 Eve Edwards, arguably the best 155er in the world at one point in time.
02:43:44.000 Massive veteran in the sport.
02:43:45.000 You can go down the list.
02:43:46.000 Rashad Evans, former light heavyweight champion.
02:43:48.000 I mean, you're talking about top flight Champions, former champions, elite mixed martial artists.
02:43:55.000 But you also have Bisping, you also have Paul Felder, you also have...
02:43:58.000 Kenny?
02:43:58.000 Yeah, Kenny Florian.
02:44:01.000 They're just elite, top of the food chain fighters and analysts.
02:44:06.000 I think it was a bad path to go down.
02:44:09.000 I don't think it made sense.
02:44:12.000 I think he thought it made sense in his head when he was saying it.
02:44:15.000 I think maybe he was trying to be controversial.
02:44:19.000 Maybe just...
02:44:20.000 I don't know.
02:44:21.000 It didn't make sense to me.
02:44:22.000 Yeah, it didn't make sense to me either.
02:44:24.000 But my thing about it wasn't, okay, you're being racist.
02:44:29.000 It's a thing when you bring race into the situation.
02:44:33.000 But my thing wasn't, you're racist because you say this.
02:44:36.000 My thing was, you're saying that I'm in this position because I'm not good enough.
02:44:42.000 You're saying that I'm only here because of affirmative action or whatever you want to call it.
02:44:47.000 You know?
02:44:48.000 There's not a quality to my work.
02:44:50.000 And that's where I'm like, yeah, fuck that.
02:44:52.000 That's not the case.
02:44:53.000 I know that I'm good at the sport, I understand the sport, and I'm good at explaining what I see.
02:44:59.000 Right, and who would, you know, the other thing is, like, who would replace them?
02:45:04.000 Is there white people that are missing out?
02:45:07.000 Yeah.
02:45:07.000 On the gig?
02:45:08.000 Yeah.
02:45:09.000 Everybody went to an audition.
02:45:11.000 Yeah.
02:45:12.000 Who's not getting the job, though?
02:45:13.000 Is there someone who's like, wow, this guy really speaks really well, but they're holding him down because he's white?
02:45:18.000 Has that even happened?
02:45:19.000 Yeah.
02:45:20.000 Some people would probably like that to happen, but I don't think that's actually happened.
02:45:23.000 Yeah.
02:45:23.000 I agree completely.
02:45:26.000 So we kind of went through that.
02:45:28.000 He sent me a message.
02:45:30.000 He apologized about that.
02:45:32.000 And I was like, cool.
02:45:33.000 My thing was not...
02:45:51.000 About the race thing.
02:45:53.000 I thought it was squash.
02:45:54.000 But then he said some other stuff after that.
02:45:56.000 And that's where I'm like, man.
02:45:58.000 What did he say afterwards?
02:45:59.000 He was, I think, I forget the guy's name.
02:46:01.000 Luke.
02:46:02.000 Sorry, I remember.
02:46:02.000 Luke Thomas, right?
02:46:03.000 He was on this guy, Luke Thomas' show.
02:46:05.000 And he's saying stuff.
02:46:06.000 He's specifically talking about me now.
02:46:08.000 He's like, yeah, I talked to them.
02:46:09.000 We're all friends.
02:46:10.000 I talked to Eve.
02:46:11.000 And he's like, well, see, Eve, there's something Eve sees in himself.
02:46:15.000 And I'm just like, man, you're not.
02:46:17.000 Is that really what he said?
02:46:18.000 Yeah.
02:46:18.000 Yeah.
02:46:20.000 I feel like that's something Eve sees in himself.
02:46:22.000 He was aggressive.
02:46:23.000 He said he was emotional.
02:46:26.000 I never said to you I was emotional.
02:46:30.000 None of these things.
02:46:33.000 This bus is coming, you're waiting to throw me in front of it or some shit like that.
02:46:36.000 I'm like, yeah, no, that's not cool, man.
02:46:38.000 Like, we're not friends.
02:46:39.000 We know each other.
02:46:39.000 The extent of our friendship is like a UFC last summer.
02:46:43.000 I saw Brendan across the aisle and some guy rolled up on him and was talking to him for like 10 minutes.
02:46:47.000 And I'm looking back and I can see Brendan's like...
02:46:50.000 Trapped.
02:46:50.000 Because I'm like, let me go try and help him out.
02:46:52.000 So I go over there and I start talking to Brendan.
02:46:54.000 And then the dude just hangs out.
02:46:56.000 I talked to Brendan for about 5-10 minutes.
02:46:57.000 And then the dude just hanging out behind us and I'm just like...
02:47:00.000 That's all I got, man.
02:47:01.000 I'm going back to my seat.
02:47:03.000 And the guy jumps right back in.
02:47:05.000 That's the extent of it.
02:47:06.000 I've seen him at different places beyond that.
02:47:08.000 Brian and I are cool, so I've seen him sometimes when I've seen Brian.
02:47:11.000 But we're not boys.
02:47:12.000 We don't know each other like that.
02:47:14.000 And you're not a psychologist.
02:47:16.000 You're not a psychiatrist.
02:47:17.000 So you're not qualified to be speaking on my mental state.
02:47:19.000 I didn't know that he said that.
02:47:21.000 I feel like now that I'm remembering it, you might have brought that up at the comedy store the other night.
02:47:25.000 It didn't make any sense.
02:47:27.000 I'm Brendan's friend, and I can't defend him on that, because it doesn't make any sense.
02:47:30.000 It just didn't...
02:47:32.000 It doesn't make any sense.
02:47:34.000 But sometimes he says shit that doesn't make sense, and maybe if you were in the room with him, he wouldn't have said it, or maybe he would have said it better, or maybe he would have said, are these really the best minds?
02:47:44.000 But here's the argument.
02:47:46.000 If they're not, who are?
02:47:48.000 Like, you really, if you say, are these really the best minds, you really should provide better alternatives.
02:47:53.000 So who are the better alternatives?
02:47:55.000 Who's the better alternative?
02:47:56.000 I mean, there's a bunch of really good guys online.
02:47:58.000 Brendan Dorman does some really good stuff.
02:48:00.000 Lawrence Kenshin does some really good stuff about analyzing stuff.
02:48:02.000 I don't know how good they are on camera.
02:48:04.000 There's a bunch of people like, you know, that do good...
02:48:08.000 Robin Black does some real good breakdowns and stuff like that.
02:48:11.000 I mean, maybe there's an argument that he would do a great job at something like that for sure.
02:48:15.000 But...
02:48:17.000 It's not like there's some overwhelming absence of the best guys where they're saying, hey, why are you going with these black guys instead of going with the best guys?
02:48:28.000 Why don't you have blah, blah, blah?
02:48:30.000 There's no blah, blah, blah.
02:48:31.000 There's no guy out there.
02:48:33.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:48:33.000 Who would that guy be?
02:48:35.000 I have no idea, but there's also a formula.
02:48:37.000 I mean, you and Jimmy Smith kind of are the exception to the formula, and the formula is to have the color guy and the play-by-play guy, and the play-by-play guy is usually the one with the actual experience.
02:48:49.000 You've been doing it so long, you're as close to having the experience as anybody can without having it.
02:48:55.000 And Jimmy's right there next to you in that.
02:48:57.000 Jimmy's actually more experienced than me because he's fought MMA. Right.
02:49:00.000 He's had a couple of fights.
02:49:02.000 Not at that level, but he understands.
02:49:05.000 Robin Black has had two or three fights.
02:49:08.000 Something like that.
02:49:10.000 That's the formula, though.
02:49:13.000 Karen is on the other side of that.
02:49:15.000 Karen just...
02:49:16.000 Her role is similar to Goldie's.
02:49:19.000 She is the person that asks the questions, that has an idea, but doesn't have the experience.
02:49:26.000 She represents the fan for the most part.
02:49:29.000 And she does it in a non-robotic way, which is very important.
02:49:32.000 For the person watching, if you've got some guy who's like a radio DJ coming at you, Those people, they know how to say the right words and they can do it and seem professional, but you're not smooth.
02:49:45.000 Whereas Karen knows how to be fun and she can be loose and she's non-robotic while being professional.
02:49:52.000 And she's knowledgeable.
02:49:52.000 She has a knowledge of the sport to some degree.
02:49:55.000 And a passion for it.
02:49:56.000 Exactly.
02:49:56.000 The passion is what makes it even more out of her, you know?
02:50:00.000 Yeah, I was watching NFL the other day, and I was watching it.
02:50:02.000 Was it with you?
02:50:04.000 Whatever it was where I was like, is that girl really the best person to be interviewing these fucking giants?
02:50:09.000 Wasn't you?
02:50:10.000 I was like, is that girl really know?
02:50:11.000 You've seen that, but she's hot or something, right?
02:50:13.000 Yeah, she's hot as fuck.
02:50:13.000 I was like, does she really know about football?
02:50:15.000 Or is this just a gig?
02:50:17.000 Because she wants to be famous.
02:50:18.000 You know what I mean?
02:50:19.000 There's a lot of those.
02:50:20.000 Whereas you would say, okay, there's got to be someone out there that's better, who really understands the game, who could get in there and ask questions to this dude and find out why they chose that play, what went wrong, what was he thinking when this happened.
02:50:35.000 Someone who really is a fan of it.
02:50:37.000 That's what I want to see with fighting.
02:50:40.000 To me, fighting is so much more personal, so much more intense.
02:50:45.000 When I see someone that's interviewing someone, I want to see someone who really fucking cares, because I know there's a lot of people who do care.
02:50:54.000 And I care.
02:50:55.000 If I'm interviewing someone after a fight, I'm trying my best.
02:50:59.000 To figure out what was happening in their head.
02:51:02.000 There's some critical moments.
02:51:03.000 I want to know, was this a plan?
02:51:06.000 Did you see this in advance?
02:51:07.000 Is this something you saw in training when you were watching tapes?
02:51:10.000 I have questions, like fan questions.
02:51:12.000 So I do my best to relay those.
02:51:15.000 That's what I do my best.
02:51:16.000 If I feel like someone's...
02:51:18.000 Phoning it in, or this isn't a job they're interested in, or they really just want to be in, you know, some other sport.
02:51:24.000 They really wanted to be a fucking baseball commentator, but there was no gig.
02:51:28.000 You know, they're just fucking half-assing it.
02:51:30.000 You know, it's just...
02:51:30.000 It's weak.
02:51:32.000 It's terrible.
02:51:33.000 One thing I loved, one thing I always tried to do, I always wanted to make you...
02:51:36.000 I tried to make you laugh.
02:51:38.000 Every post-fight interview.
02:51:39.000 Anytime, like, it was like, I won as knockout.
02:51:42.000 Okay, I'm going to talk to Joe.
02:51:43.000 Let's see what he gives me.
02:51:45.000 See if he gives me something I can try to make him laugh with.
02:51:48.000 Sometimes I came with something set up, but there was one time, I forget who it was, I think it was a Jeremy Stephens, and you would ask me to take you to the replay, and I was literally watching it, and you would ask me a question, and I wasn't even paying attention to you, so it worked out perfectly.
02:52:04.000 I was like, Joe, I'm sorry, I was watching that, and I was going to ask you to ask the question again, and it hit me, and I was just thinking, damn, I'm smooth.
02:52:14.000 And I got that reaction out of you, so that was fun.
02:52:17.000 That would be a natural reaction if you said that.
02:52:19.000 I also like helping the guy celebrate.
02:52:23.000 There's moments when someone does something where someone almost has to tell you how amazing that was.
02:52:30.000 You know it was amazing, but I want to let you feel it even more.
02:52:34.000 Like when Rose Namajunas beat Ioana.
02:52:37.000 That, to me, is one of my favorite all-time post-it fight interviews.
02:52:42.000 Because she's like, y'all just be a good person.
02:52:44.000 This belt don't mean shit.
02:52:46.000 I was like, damn, Rose is out there.
02:52:50.000 She's so unusual.
02:52:51.000 And to have her walk through it like this impossible underdog coming in.
02:52:56.000 And even if she won, everybody thought she'd win by submission.
02:52:59.000 You didn't think she'd just step in and crack her with a left hook and then drop her.
02:53:03.000 Like, what?
02:53:04.000 That was crazy!
02:53:05.000 Watching that fight was crazy!
02:53:08.000 Here's a good one for you on another big fight.
02:53:11.000 I feel like there's a moment in a fight, especially when you get a finish.
02:53:15.000 Sometimes there's a moment that comes just before the finish that you recognize this opportunity is there and you jump on it.
02:53:22.000 And then there are times before the moment happens.
02:53:25.000 Before the shot comes, it's like, this guy's about to throw his right hand and I know I'm going to slip it and drop my right on top of it.
02:53:32.000 But then there are times when you hit a guy and it's like, oh, this is my chance.
02:53:35.000 And you jump on him.
02:53:37.000 And you know the end is near, and all that rush when the referee steps, that's the moment, that's the biggest moment.
02:53:45.000 When the referee stops the fight, that's when you come.
02:53:48.000 You know what I mean?
02:53:50.000 If you could figure out how to ask that question, because...
02:53:56.000 Getting someone to explain that moment is...
02:54:00.000 If they can translate that, that's so sweet.
02:54:03.000 I can think of one of my last fights with Stevens.
02:54:07.000 When I hit him, I knew what I was doing.
02:54:11.000 And I knew I was going to land the punch.
02:54:13.000 And then as he went down, it was like, oh shit, here's that moment.
02:54:17.000 And you jump on it, you know?
02:54:21.000 That's the best thing to get out of guys.
02:54:23.000 And you asked that question well, but also if they can see it coming.
02:54:30.000 Man, seeing that coming, that's the thing.
02:54:33.000 That's when it's like, this chick is hot and I know I'm going to get it.
02:54:37.000 It's that moment when it's like, oh, this is actually happening.
02:54:40.000 What do you miss the most about fighting?
02:54:43.000 What don't I miss?
02:54:46.000 I love that challenge, man.
02:54:48.000 That's why I still like training and whatnot, but the actual fight itself, it's because everything's on the line.
02:54:55.000 Have you thought about doing grappling competitions or anything where there's no striking?
02:55:00.000 I have not.
02:55:02.000 I've thought about it once or twice but not been committed to doing it.
02:55:06.000 I'm starting to train more now, again.
02:55:09.000 I had some things happening in life that were changing for me.
02:55:12.000 I just moved out here and I didn't have the...
02:55:17.000 The team, the foundation behind me.
02:55:19.000 I didn't have the group that I was with all the time anymore.
02:55:22.000 I had to find a new group, start to build a new group.
02:55:25.000 And now that we have this group, I feel more comfortable.
02:55:29.000 I'm back in the gym more.
02:55:30.000 I'm able to do more like that.
02:55:32.000 I'm still in good shape.
02:55:34.000 And yeah, I feel like maybe I want to compete again.
02:55:38.000 But just for the fun of it.
02:55:39.000 Not to try and be a world champion or anything.
02:55:42.000 But compete in MMA or compete in jiu-jitsu?
02:55:47.000 I still love MMA. It doesn't make sense though.
02:55:51.000 There are definitely some fights that I wish could have happened or that I would have had.
02:55:57.000 What fight do you feel like you missed out on?
02:56:00.000 Fighting Gomi at one point, you know?
02:56:02.000 When Gomi was Gomi.
02:56:03.000 Yeah.
02:56:04.000 You'd throw those fucking fast-pitch baseball punches, man.
02:56:07.000 Like, the Pride tournament?
02:56:09.000 I would have loved to fought everybody in that tournament.
02:56:12.000 You know, every individual.
02:56:14.000 I fought Hanson.
02:56:14.000 That was fun.
02:56:15.000 He smelled like ass, but that was fun.
02:56:17.000 Did he?
02:56:17.000 It was horrible.
02:56:18.000 Do you think he did it on purpose?
02:56:19.000 One of those guys?
02:56:20.000 He does that every fight.
02:56:22.000 Doesn't wash for a few days?
02:56:24.000 Yeah, it was bad.
02:56:26.000 Shoot.
02:56:27.000 Sakurai?
02:56:28.000 Fights like that, you know?
02:56:31.000 But now, there's still some guys.
02:56:35.000 I have a lot of respect for it.
02:56:37.000 I talked to Joe Lozon about it.
02:56:38.000 I was like, man, I'd love to fight a guy like Joe Lozon.
02:56:42.000 But that was right after the first year of being retired.
02:56:47.000 How many years have you been retired now?
02:56:48.000 Five?
02:56:49.000 Three.
02:56:50.000 Since 2000. It was almost four.
02:56:52.000 November will be four.
02:56:54.000 Seems like longer for some strange reason.
02:56:57.000 You just miss me, Joe.
02:56:58.000 I do.
02:56:59.000 You just miss me.
02:56:59.000 No, I do.
02:57:00.000 You just miss seeing that left leg kick.
02:57:04.000 It's one of those things where you love it so much.
02:57:07.000 There are times when I'm watching fights, man, and there are some guys that are just outside the top 15. I couldn't tell you any names right now, but like Jake Matthews when he was at 55. Like, I feel like this kid is good and he's awesome.
02:57:21.000 They're much bigger than they were back in my day, but still, I'm like, man, sometimes I watch fights and I'm like, man, you motherfuckers are so lucky I'm not 25. Just because of the things you know now, you know?
02:57:33.000 Right.
02:57:34.000 But isn't that the thing, right?
02:57:35.000 The older fighters have way more knowledge and understanding of what to do, but their body doesn't respond that way anymore.
02:57:41.000 And that's sort of the balance of it all, is that the young fighters have all the piss and vinegar and fast twitch muscle fibers, and they don't know that much.
02:57:49.000 For me, I feel...
02:57:51.000 Because I still move around.
02:57:52.000 I still spar.
02:57:52.000 I still spar with Joe and Mickey and those guys.
02:57:54.000 And I can do a lot of the things that I've always been able to do.
02:57:59.000 It has to do with, for the most part, for me, the recovery.
02:58:03.000 Like, the next day...
02:58:05.000 If I go hard today, I can't go hard tomorrow.
02:58:08.000 I can't go hard four days a week anymore.
02:58:10.000 I can go hard once or twice a week.
02:58:13.000 And as I get in better shape, the twice will be more consistent.
02:58:17.000 But...
02:58:18.000 The recovery, I can still move very close to just as fast as I've always been.
02:58:24.000 I think that will go away at some point, but I still have it.
02:58:27.000 And I can't take it like I used to.
02:58:30.000 That's a difference.
02:58:33.000 In the gym, I still walk through some things, but I don't know about in competition when it's all in line.
02:58:41.000 Because again, I think your brain kind of You're in a different mindset.
02:58:45.000 Do you think about that when you're sparring right now?
02:58:47.000 Because you really don't have a need to.
02:58:50.000 Right.
02:58:51.000 I still love sparring.
02:58:54.000 I don't do it nearly as much as I used to.
02:58:57.000 I do think about that.
02:58:58.000 It's so fun though.
02:58:59.000 It's so much fun.
02:59:01.000 And I'm like, you only got one.
02:59:04.000 Right?
02:59:04.000 Yeah, you got one.
02:59:06.000 I don't want to be...
02:59:07.000 But you don't want to live the last 20 of that one.
02:59:09.000 Drooling.
02:59:10.000 Shit in your pants, and where are my keys?
02:59:12.000 I don't want that, so I try to exercise my brain as much as I can, but...
02:59:17.000 What do you do?
02:59:18.000 You know, reading.
02:59:19.000 I do a lot of the brain cognitive games, like, you know, a lot of things with numbers and crosswords, and I just...
02:59:30.000 That's a hard thing for me to not do something because if I'm awake and I'm not occupied, my thoughts are just going.
02:59:38.000 So that's something else I've been doing.
02:59:40.000 I've started to write things down.
02:59:42.000 I've been doing some stunt work, acting, right?
02:59:44.000 So...
02:59:46.000 Lately, I've been watching old shows and just watching it for the acting.
02:59:50.000 And I'll find a script and I'll stand in front of the mirror by myself and do some things.
02:59:56.000 Oh, that's so weird.
02:59:56.000 Try to play some things out.
02:59:57.000 I'm just going through all of it.
03:00:00.000 I did...
03:00:02.000 I did a small movie.
03:00:03.000 They're doing a movie about Nick Newell, right?
03:00:06.000 So I fight the guy that's playing Nick Newell in one scene early in his career.
03:00:12.000 Nick Newell's the fighter who has one arm?
03:00:13.000 One arm, right.
03:00:14.000 Does the guy in the movie have one arm as well?
03:00:15.000 No, but they green screen it.
03:00:17.000 Oh.
03:00:17.000 Oh, wow.
03:00:18.000 So the whole time he has his green sleeve over his arm, and he has it out here, and he's moving it.
03:00:25.000 We choreographed the fight, and we have to kind of account for all of that in the choreography with the green screen and all that.
03:00:32.000 It's cool, though.
03:00:33.000 But I got a couple lines.
03:00:35.000 I did some lines.
03:00:36.000 And the first time I did lines was with Kevin Pollack.
03:00:38.000 So that was cool for me.
03:00:39.000 Wow.
03:00:40.000 That's pretty crazy.
03:00:41.000 Yeah.
03:00:41.000 And then I did an episode of Ballers for the next season.
03:00:45.000 So that was cool.
03:00:46.000 Did you work with The Rock?
03:00:47.000 No, I worked with Ricky, so J.D. Washington.
03:00:52.000 So that was cool.
03:00:54.000 And I had met, I didn't, I watched these shows, I didn't know his name was J.D. Washington.
03:01:00.000 I just knew his name was J.D. from being on set.
03:01:02.000 I always called him Ricky.
03:01:03.000 That was it.
03:01:05.000 Somebody told me he was related to Denzel Washington.
03:01:07.000 And then I find out that his last name is Washington when I'm on set and I'm looking at the call sheet.
03:01:13.000 And I'm like, are you related to Denzel?
03:01:15.000 And he's like, yeah.
03:01:17.000 He has this look on his face like, oh, fuck, you know.
03:01:19.000 You know that.
03:01:21.000 And I knew he was related, but I thought he would tell me how at the time.
03:01:24.000 And I didn't know, but later I found out that it was his dad.
03:01:26.000 Oh, no shit.
03:01:28.000 I think that's his dad, you know, from the information that I've got.
03:01:33.000 But I had met his dad also, worked with him on Equalizer.
03:01:38.000 For the Equalizer 2, we were helping him build the scenes.
03:01:42.000 We were choreographing the scenes and teaching the choreography for that.
03:01:45.000 And I have this...
03:01:47.000 This thing where he's giving me voice lessons.
03:01:50.000 I have this thing with Denzel Washington giving me voice lessons.
03:01:53.000 What kind of lessons?
03:01:55.000 These tongue twisters that he says to practice enunciating.
03:02:00.000 Oh.
03:02:03.000 It's kind of dope.
03:02:04.000 So we're in the gym, we're working out, and he's like, so he says them to me, and he's like, you should write this down.
03:02:11.000 Because my buddy tells him, yeah, he does stuff on the Fox desk for UFC. And so he's like, he pays a little more attention to me at that point.
03:02:18.000 He's like, yeah, he's going back to theater.
03:02:19.000 He wants to do some theater because he wants to clean up his stuff.
03:02:22.000 And so he's like, you should write this down.
03:02:24.000 And I'm like, fuck, I grabbed my phone and I start recording.
03:02:27.000 And then he sees that I'm recording.
03:02:28.000 So he comes over and he's speaking into my phone.
03:02:31.000 And I'm like, I have this shit on my phone.
03:02:32.000 I have this Denzel Washington voice coaching me.
03:02:35.000 Damn.
03:02:36.000 Dude, that's huge.
03:02:38.000 Super dope, right?
03:02:39.000 So that's what you're out here for?
03:02:40.000 That's what you're gonna do, other than Fox desk, you're doing some acting, some other shit?
03:02:45.000 Yeah.
03:02:47.000 It's like I'm a kid again, right?
03:02:50.000 And I have my side card.
03:02:52.000 So I have a ticket to the theme park, so why not just try the rides?
03:02:57.000 Yeah.
03:02:57.000 Fuck it.
03:02:58.000 It's something new to do, right?
03:03:01.000 Yeah.
03:03:01.000 Yeah.
03:03:02.000 So, that's what I'm doing.
03:03:03.000 I know Bisping's doing a lot of work.
03:03:05.000 Bisping's doing a lot.
03:03:06.000 And I did a movie with Bisping.
03:03:08.000 Well, he had a big role in the film.
03:03:10.000 Kung Lee did a lot of shit, right?
03:03:11.000 Kung Lee's doing a lot, man.
03:03:14.000 There's quite a few guys that are like Jay Heron.
03:03:16.000 Jay's doing a lot of stunts.
03:03:18.000 You know, I... Stunts are great, especially when you're doing fights.
03:03:23.000 But I'm a 155-pounder.
03:03:25.000 You know what I mean?
03:03:26.000 I'm not going to be doing a whole lot of fighting in movies.
03:03:29.000 A guy like Tate.
03:03:31.000 Tate's doing so much.
03:03:33.000 He's in every movie, die him.
03:03:34.000 Exactly.
03:03:35.000 He has the look, and he's a big guy.
03:03:39.000 So he's getting a lot of work in that capacity.
03:03:42.000 But as a stuntman, I'm a smaller guy.
03:03:44.000 And most of the time, when you want someone my size, you're going to want...
03:03:49.000 Someone that can do other things, like a lot of the gymnasts and that type of thing.
03:03:54.000 And I can do some of that, but nowhere near as good as those guys.
03:03:58.000 And I'm not learning how to get hit by a car or get lit on fire.
03:04:03.000 You know what I mean?
03:04:04.000 Or fall on a motorcycle.
03:04:05.000 Yeah, that's not happening.
03:04:06.000 I'm not doing that.
03:04:07.000 Good for you.
03:04:08.000 I like the way you think.
03:04:10.000 I want to get better at this acting thing and try that out some, because it's fun also.
03:04:15.000 I played myself on the episode of Ballers, and I was like, this feels good!
03:04:21.000 Like, the acting thing.
03:04:24.000 It's like, this is fun!
03:04:27.000 It's a different kind of rush, you know?
03:04:29.000 It's a new thing.
03:04:30.000 I'm gonna pick your brain.
03:04:32.000 I'm gonna ask you for some advice and tips.
03:04:35.000 Didn't you do stand-up?
03:04:36.000 I did a couple sets.
03:04:38.000 Did you do it at the dime bar?
03:04:39.000 I did it at the dime.
03:04:40.000 I'm going to do it again.
03:04:42.000 Yeah?
03:04:42.000 I mean, I've done it a few times.
03:04:44.000 I like it.
03:04:45.000 You can do it.
03:04:46.000 I don't feel like I'm funny.
03:04:48.000 That's the problem.
03:04:49.000 You're funny, dude.
03:04:49.000 You can do it.
03:04:51.000 It's work for everybody.
03:04:52.000 Yeah.
03:04:53.000 It seems a lot easier than it is.
03:04:54.000 It's not easy at all.
03:04:56.000 No.
03:04:56.000 It seems like it.
03:04:57.000 It's not easy at all.
03:04:58.000 Dude, it's just talking.
03:04:59.000 How can that be hard?
03:05:00.000 But, see, that's the thing.
03:05:02.000 It's like, people are like, man, you fought in an octagon.
03:05:04.000 You fought in millions of people, this and that.
03:05:06.000 It's like, yeah, but I'm not looking at them.
03:05:08.000 You know, the thing is, too, all new things are difficult.
03:05:11.000 It doesn't matter what difficult things you do.
03:05:13.000 Try taking up chess for the first time.
03:05:14.000 It's difficult.
03:05:15.000 Try anything.
03:05:16.000 Everything that's hard to do is difficult.
03:05:19.000 It doesn't matter how many difficult things you've done.
03:05:21.000 You might have a better understanding of how to perform under pressure than other people do, but it's still going to be hard.
03:05:28.000 Yeah, nothing worth doing is easy.
03:05:31.000 Yeah.
03:05:31.000 Because if it was easy, everybody would do it.
03:05:34.000 Exactly.
03:05:34.000 You know, that's the thing.
03:05:36.000 The other thing that I'm doing is I do a show on this platform called Pluto.
03:05:42.000 So I have this show called The Thug Jitsu Master and Squid Show.
03:05:44.000 And buddy, the squid, we interview guys that got fights coming up.
03:05:50.000 We do a lot of stuff with fighters.
03:05:51.000 We get coaches.
03:05:52.000 We get people that have nothing to do with fighting.
03:05:54.000 But we make it fun.
03:05:56.000 So what is this song?
03:05:57.000 On Pluto.
03:05:58.000 What is Pluto?
03:05:59.000 Pluto is a platform.
03:06:00.000 You can get it on your iPhone or on a Galaxy.
03:06:03.000 Is it an app?
03:06:03.000 It's an app.
03:06:05.000 You can get it on the PlayStation, on Apple TV, and all these things.
03:06:08.000 Do you know what it is?
03:06:10.000 You heard of it?
03:06:11.000 He knows.
03:06:12.000 They have a fight channel.
03:06:13.000 They got a 24-hour glory channel.
03:06:15.000 So they got glory running 24-7.
03:06:17.000 What?
03:06:18.000 They got a fight channel where they have MMA fights.
03:06:20.000 That's all you need to tell me.
03:06:20.000 All the time.
03:06:21.000 A glory channel?
03:06:21.000 A glory channel.
03:06:22.000 Holy shit.
03:06:23.000 Yeah.
03:06:24.000 Okay.
03:06:24.000 And yeah, so we do it over there.
03:06:27.000 We got a thing.
03:06:28.000 We do a thing called Fight Party Live where we watch the fights, but we just hang out with...
03:06:33.000 We watch the fights and we just hang out and...
03:06:36.000 Basically do a podcast while we're doing it.
03:06:38.000 Pluto TV, it's free.
03:06:40.000 Everything's free.
03:06:41.000 No shit.
03:06:42.000 100 plus channels, find what you want.
03:06:45.000 They got everything on there.
03:06:46.000 Why have I seen this before?
03:06:47.000 No, you know what I'm thinking of?
03:06:48.000 There's something on the Amazon...
03:06:50.000 What is the thing that's on TV? The Amazon Fire?
03:06:56.000 You can put this on that.
03:06:58.000 That's what I think I've seen.
03:06:59.000 That's on there too.
03:06:59.000 I think I've seen a dude who had it and there was a whole channel that was dedicated to the Montreal Comedy Festival.
03:07:06.000 Just for Laughs festival?
03:07:07.000 Yeah.
03:07:07.000 They have a stand-up channel.
03:07:09.000 Okay.
03:07:10.000 Nice.
03:07:10.000 They have everything.
03:07:11.000 So what is this show called again?
03:07:12.000 The Thug Jitsu Master and Squid Show.
03:07:15.000 Alright.
03:07:17.000 Dude, it's already three o'clock.
03:07:19.000 Wow.
03:07:19.000 We've been doing this for how long now?
03:07:21.000 Over three hours.
03:07:21.000 Over three hours.
03:07:23.000 Crazy, right?
03:07:24.000 We had a time warp.
03:07:25.000 How the fuck did that happen?
03:07:27.000 That's how it goes.
03:07:28.000 It's weird.
03:07:28.000 Yeah.
03:07:29.000 Man, thank you for having me, Joe.
03:07:29.000 Do we need to say anything more about the Brendan Schaub thing?
03:07:32.000 Did we cover it enough?
03:07:33.000 Man, as far as it goes, it's just like...
03:07:38.000 That's a conversation.
03:07:39.000 We need to talk.
03:07:41.000 Him and Hugh.
03:07:42.000 You know?
03:07:42.000 Yeah.
03:07:43.000 It's a weird situation for me because I love the guy and he's one of my best friends.
03:07:47.000 And also, I can't defend what he said because it doesn't totally make sense.
03:07:51.000 Yeah.
03:07:51.000 And so, what I'm saying when I said he talks too much, I do too.
03:07:56.000 I say stupid shit.
03:07:56.000 I don't mean to say stupid shit.
03:07:58.000 I don't say that stupid.
03:07:59.000 I didn't say that thing.
03:08:01.000 I wouldn't say it like that.
03:08:02.000 But sometimes you say things, you don't even know why the fuck you're saying it.
03:08:07.000 A lot of it also is just ranting.
03:08:12.000 You go into these rants, and you say shit, and then you see if you can back it up once you've said it.
03:08:17.000 Yeah, just don't revisit dumb shit.
03:08:20.000 It was insensitive.
03:08:21.000 It didn't make sense, and it was insensitive.
03:08:24.000 And I bet he regrets it.
03:08:27.000 Well, I mean, I don't know.
03:08:29.000 That's an assumption we're making, right?
03:08:31.000 Yeah, well, I know the guy.
03:08:33.000 That's why I'm saying it.
03:08:35.000 He's not a bad guy.
03:08:36.000 By any stretch of the imagination, he's awesome.
03:08:39.000 I'm not the guy saying, like, you're a racist for saying this.
03:08:44.000 My thing is...
03:08:46.000 When you're talking about the first, the initial part of it, and I conveyed this to him, you know, was you're saying me or my brother or my sister aren't good enough to be here.
03:08:55.000 So, like, that's disrespectful because I fully believe that we all are.
03:08:59.000 Yeah.
03:08:59.000 So that part, and he apologized for that and we're cool there, you know?
03:09:03.000 And then why are you talking about, like, this is what I see in myself?
03:09:07.000 Because no, dog, that's not how it is.
03:09:10.000 I don't know why I said that.
03:09:11.000 You're not a psychologist.
03:09:12.000 You're not a psychiatrist.
03:09:13.000 You have no...
03:09:15.000 Qualifications to speak on my mental state.
03:09:18.000 Well, it's just weird, too, that you guys haven't...
03:09:21.000 I think you should...
03:09:23.000 I don't know.
03:09:24.000 I think sometimes someone says something instead of just straight up saying they fucked up, they say, I fucked up, but...
03:09:32.000 Yeah.
03:09:33.000 But his issue is because of this.
03:09:37.000 Something else is going on with him that's making him react this way.
03:09:42.000 Yeah.
03:09:42.000 Yeah.
03:09:43.000 I'm more concerned with his pants.
03:09:45.000 Those shredded up pants he wears.
03:09:47.000 Those disturb me way more than what he said.
03:09:49.000 I can't defend either one.
03:09:51.000 Yeah.
03:09:52.000 Just don't wear women's pants.
03:09:54.000 I don't think they're women's.
03:09:55.000 They have hold in them.
03:09:57.000 They have hold in them.
03:09:58.000 Because we went through that at the beginning of the show.
03:10:00.000 Do they have holes in them?
03:10:01.000 It depends on how many holes, right?
03:10:03.000 It depends on where the holes are, I guess.
03:10:05.000 Well, if you earn those holes, like if you work construction, you got like a real hole.
03:10:10.000 Yeah, you get your pants snagged on it.
03:10:12.000 Yeah, you got to do what you got to do.
03:10:13.000 If you're a farmer, you got like real barbed wire holes in your pants, that's a different animal.
03:10:18.000 You know, that's okay.
03:10:20.000 You earn those holes.
03:10:21.000 You wore your jeans out, they start ripping in places.
03:10:23.000 Okay, okay.
03:10:25.000 You can't afford to buy some new ones.
03:10:26.000 Yeah, but if you paid a lot of money for pants that are already fucked up, you saw that shit in a magazine somewhere, that's what bothers me about Brendan.
03:10:35.000 Fucking pants.
03:10:36.000 This bothers me too, but what really bothers me, I like you a lot.
03:10:41.000 You've always been cool, and I think you do a great job, and I said that very early on when you first started doing it.
03:10:47.000 Yeah, I remember that.
03:10:48.000 I tweeted it or something.
03:10:49.000 Actually, and you said it to me too, the last time I was here, Joe and I came to do a Glory Fight companion with you.
03:10:55.000 I remember that.
03:10:56.000 I remember everything you say, Joe.
03:10:59.000 That's good, because I don't.
03:11:01.000 Especially when it's about me.
03:11:02.000 Because there was a time when you were like, look at Josh, he's so strong.
03:11:05.000 Look how he just gets right back up.
03:11:08.000 He's the stronger guy.
03:11:09.000 Oh!
03:11:11.000 You remember that, too.
03:11:12.000 I remember that.
03:11:13.000 I love it because there's a couple times when, you're not disparaging of either fighter, but there's a couple times when you start seeing a strength in another guy, and there's two fights for me where that happened, and I was able to just clip him right as you're giving the other guy some praise.
03:11:29.000 Perfect.
03:11:30.000 I was like, yeah, Joe, shut up!
03:11:32.000 Give me some love!
03:11:33.000 Give him some love, ladies and gentlemen.
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