Robyn Black is back from his trip to Asia and talks about his time in One Championship and what it means to be a martial artist in the Asian martial arts scene. Robyn also talks about why he thinks martial arts is an art form and why it should be seen as more of an art than it is a sport. Robyn is a martial arts and mixed martial arts enthusiast and has been a long time friend of mine and I'm really excited to have him on the show to talk about all things MMA and martial arts. I hope you enjoy this episode and it makes you think about the importance of martial arts in the context of the world of MMA and the impact it can have on the culture and culture of a place like Singapore and how it can change the way you view martial arts as a sport and how you view it as an art. Enjoy the episode and tweet me if you liked it! with any thoughts, opinions or thoughts on the topics covered in the episode. Timestamps: 1:00 - What is MMA an art? 2:30 - What does martial arts mean to you? 3:40 - What do you think of the UFC? 4:20 - Is MMA a sport or a sport? 5:15 - Who is the best martial arts fighter in the world? 6:00 7:20 8:10 - How martial arts an art or art form? 9:00 | What are you looking for in MMA? 10: What is your favorite martial arts artist? 11: What does the UFC look like? 12:30 | What does MMA look like in the most? 13: How do you see martial arts? 15:40 | What is martial arts look like to you see in a fight? 16:30 17:40 17 - What are your favorite part of MMA culture? 18:10 | Who do you like about MMA culture in general? 19:00 +16:10 21:00 // 16:00 / 17:00/16:00 & 17:10 // 17: What s your favorite aspect of MMA & MMA culture & culture in Asia? 22:30 +17:30 // 17,000 +16,000/17:40 +17,000? 19,000 / 18:50 23:40 // 18,000+ 25:10 +16?
00:02:21.000And when I talked to Chhatri about it, and he was talking sort of about why he sees it this way and why he's proud to present it this way, he's like, he knows without question that there are kids, and he won his 205-pound title in Myanmar, in a stadium in Myanmar.
00:02:36.000And he said he knows without question there's a kid in there going to become a lawyer one day because of that.
00:05:32.000But that's not what it is when it's a competition.
00:05:35.000I mean, it's a tired expression because I've said it too many times, but my perception of what fighting is is high-level problem solving with dire physical consequences.
00:05:53.000The hard times make the good times better.
00:05:55.000And the possibility that bad things can happen to you.
00:06:01.000And do sometimes happen, even to the great ones.
00:06:03.000I mean, you see great fighters have been KO'd and come back, and there's something about that where you realize, like, hey, even Fedor can get knocked out.
00:06:22.000And, you know, I think in Asia in particular, but there's different pockets of how this is viewed and how the philosophy of connecting to martial arts and fighting is viewed.
00:06:34.000And in Asia, you would see, a certain amount of the fighters would see losing badly It's an opportunity, a chance, because to come back and win again or to come back and show that you're able, you were given the gift of trying and failing.
00:07:13.000And winning, when you're just winning at everything and things come easily to you, I'm sure it still feels good.
00:07:21.000But when you've gone through really hard times or when you've been challenged by something or you've dropped lower, the high of the success is so much higher.
00:07:31.000Personally, when we spoke before and when we talked about CM Punk when he was fighting the first time, I was like, this is stupid.
00:07:39.000This guy is pushing, stacking himself into a position to try to not fail by making the challenge so difficult that even if he fails, he don't really.
00:08:11.000He – We are now in a completely different context because that's a guy who epically failed in front of everybody and then dealt with that and now says, I will try the journey again and this will make me a better person.
00:08:42.000And my approach to it was this is going to be a very good lesson for people that are fans of positive thinking and they think that's enough.
00:10:55.000I would never have put myself in that place to look bad.
00:11:00.000But here he is, and here it is, and I'm cheering for him as a human being in a weird situation that has put himself into a deep, dark, hard spot and saying, my way out of this is to try really hard and really go in.
00:12:22.000And that is, at that stage, he was maybe 1-0, I think, or maybe 2, but it's still the lowest level that there is in the entire elite world of fighting.
00:12:47.000If somebody's watching that, that is the reality of thinking, I'll put myself in a situation that I can't win, but I've got guts and heart and I believe I'm going to do it.
00:12:57.000You get the metaphorical version of that punch in the face if you go through life like that.
00:13:03.000You shouldn't do it in fighting because you don't want those punches in the face if you can't avoid them.
00:13:09.000If you're in a situation where you want to prove your toughness and you want to battle it against someone who's of your skill level and try to figure your way through the maze of this contest, that makes sense.
00:13:21.000What doesn't make sense is getting punched in the face unnecessarily.
00:13:26.000And when you fight, in my opinion, when I looked at that fight, I was like, Mickey Gall's gonna smash him.
00:16:10.000Fighting is skills, for sure, but it's your body and it's your mind.
00:16:14.000And when you are a heavy competitor, when you focus, when you're able to focus in the deepest, most fearful conditions, Brock Lesnar did that.
00:16:27.000Physically, when you're aware, like you said, when you're aware of where your body is in space and how to control it, that can take a lifetime.
00:16:36.000I think it's something you also develop as a child, as a young kid.
00:16:40.000When you're in your developmental years, 13, 14, 15, your body's growing, and it's growing into whipping kicks and punches and shooting takedowns and landing chokes, your body develops that way.
00:16:52.000When you're a full-grown man in your 30s, and then you're starting to throw roundhouse kicks and front kicks, and your body's all goofy and shit and doesn't want to listen right, it's not pliable, it's not elastic, you're a different animal.
00:18:20.000And, you know, it helps you physically understand where your body is.
00:18:26.000And so later on in life, I was always at least okay at sports because I understood how to move my body in space.
00:18:32.000And I understood where my hand was compared to my foot and how I balanced.
00:18:35.000And to learn that as a child, somebody who was a master of something as a kid who at 30 picks up another thing and has some really advanced learning abilities, there are exceptions.
00:18:46.000We see rare exceptions, but you're right.
00:18:52.000I wonder, too, if those exceptions are genetic.
00:18:54.000I wonder if, like, maybe perhaps someone in their family was a great athlete and is transferred through their genes, which I am, as I get older, a firm believer in.
00:19:03.000I just don't think we know enough about what transfers through genes, but there's some freaky shit I see in my kids, in particular, where I go, okay, that is my fucking personality.
00:19:17.000This is something that's in her, like this repetitive exercise, like doing things over and over again obsessively.
00:19:26.000There's some weird shit that I'm like, I wonder if that's a neural pathway that's passed down through the DNA. It just seems like there could be A person who's never engaged in athletics, but maybe their grandfather was like a world champion boxer.
00:19:41.000And then one day they put on the gloves and then they just sort of like start moving around and the coach was like, hey, what the fuck's going on here?
00:19:48.000Where'd you learn how to throw your jab like that?
00:19:50.000I'm forgetting Francis Ngannou's coach's name.
00:21:33.000And he looks over and he sees this kid.
00:21:35.000There's certain people that just have this crazy talent and when someone has been around for a long time as a coach and had a bunch of untalented or reasonably talented or very talented people, there's this big stew of humans coming to their gym and you see that one unicorn that steps in.
00:21:53.000And he's also a case where his father, I mean, he didn't have a background in martial arts before he started training, but his father was a great street fighter.
00:22:02.000And it's entirely possible that something was carried on through him.
00:22:06.000Or something was present in both that allowed them both to be capable of doing that.
00:22:11.000Rather than the learn to pass, because we don't know how that passes genetically from behavior.
00:22:17.000We know that genetically we may behave similar to our parents or kids, but we don't know if that came from that.
00:24:10.000But then you get effort with a talented guy with freak genetics like a LeBron James or a Michael Jordan or a Brock Lesnar and then you get some crazy results.
00:24:21.000And the guy who doesn't have the talent but had effort twice, effort was applied twice, will go as far as the man or woman will go as far as they possibly could.
00:24:33.000They'll actualize their true potential by committing themselves to effort.
00:24:38.000And not going, well, I can't do it, so forget it.
00:24:41.000By applying effort over and over and over again, and then once you've developed talent, more effort to take that talent and do something, that twice-used effort will get you as far as you possibly can.
00:24:52.000If you say, well, I'm not gifted, I'm not talented, so I won't put in any effort, you have no idea how far you can go.
00:24:57.000So I absolutely cannot beat Francis Ngannou.
00:25:00.000But by not thinking that I'm too limited by my genes and continuing to apply effort regardless of my genes, I can get to the best possible place I can as an individual.
00:25:12.000So I think that you don't want to go down some road that cannot be accomplished, but you also don't want to not go down roads because you're not genetically predisposed to them.
00:26:21.000He doesn't have this great background in Brazilian jiu-jitsu where he's just a world-class strangler and if he gets your back, you're fucked.
00:26:53.000Or did he work really hard and just push himself through things?
00:26:56.000And that one day when it got really fucking tough, he didn't give up, which taught him that he shouldn't give up, which taught him to go even further, which made him push himself.
00:27:04.000Or was it, in all likelihood, it's both.
00:27:06.000But Michael Bisping, free of that effort to continue to...
00:29:07.000Anyway, when he stepped into the cage and fought Diego Sanchez, when he stepped into the octagon and screamed and roared, it was literally like an animal.
00:30:33.000And the hold, and it's like there is no doubt what's happening here.
00:30:37.000There is no doubt what's gonna happen.
00:30:39.000Diego Sanchez is another curious example because he's also a guy who is ferocious, like a ferociously tough guy.
00:30:47.000But there's always been something about his movements that makes him come up short against the best of the best.
00:30:55.000And I mean, you're talking about a guy who's so fucking mentally tough as well.
00:30:59.000Like I always bring his fight against Jake Ellenberger, who is a brutal knockout artist at 170. And Diego really, I mean Diego fought at 145, remember?
00:33:04.000And he like does everything super intense.
00:33:06.000And as much as he loves yoga and at different times yoga and meditation has allowed him to do it differently, that hyper intensity, I think, doesn't allow the sort of soft relaxation that's necessary to really do what you're describing.
00:33:23.000Like, one of the things that people don't understand about striking hard and, like, having real power is that you're not fully tense through the entire movement.
00:33:31.000There's a lot of parts of striking where the momentum starts and you're almost, like, completely loose, like, up until instance before the point of contact.
00:35:07.000That left hook, right here, here it is.
00:35:09.000Yeah, and even just to create that moment and to see that moment, you know?
00:35:15.000And to set it up and lay traps and see when the guy is moving his hands down, see when he's coming forward, see his patterns and tendencies.
00:37:22.000There's a pulse of tension and then a complete relaxation until the pulse of tension again.
00:37:28.000The Bruce Lee's one-inch punch was the simple example of that.
00:37:31.000But that is the neurology of high athletic performance.
00:37:35.000And that's what I zoomed in on when I was looking at your kick because you can see it quite clearly.
00:37:39.000There's the moment, there's the relax, and it ends up being more of a whip.
00:37:43.000And Dr. Stu has all these incredible analogies because he's examined this in so many different angles and layers, which is the beauty of analyzing anything for years.
00:37:53.000And he'll use terms like, you can't shoot a cannon out of a canoe.
00:37:57.000And you think about that, and you're like, of course.
00:37:59.000Because the canoe's all wobbly and shit.
00:38:00.000Yeah, but if it's tense, and then it shoots, or you can't push a rope, right?
00:38:06.000And so, but you can whip a rope through tension, relaxation, and tension again.
00:38:10.000And that neurology is the neurology of high performance.
00:38:14.000And George, you talk to George about neurology, he'll go deep down some shit, George St. Pierre, because he studied this to understand himself and what he was doing at a high level with Dr. Stu.
00:38:25.000But it is a fascinating thing because we often will say fighting is 90% mental.
00:38:46.000And once you get to a high level of performance, you know how to punch and kick and you train like crazy and you make the things happen by themselves almost by training so much they take so little attention and decision making.
00:38:57.000It becomes about maximizing your nervous system.
00:39:17.000So he's got him whipping a ball around?
00:39:20.000Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what he's doing or why there.
00:39:23.000But I'll put you in touch with him often.
00:39:26.000So it looks like he's got some heavy weight at the end of a rope.
00:39:31.000Yeah, and I guess engaging the core through the use of, you know, probably asking him to only engage certain things to counterbalance the movement.
00:39:39.000I'm surprised to see George wearing your typical running shoe when he's training with the thick heel and...
00:39:47.000You know, I'm still surprised to this day when I see, when you talk about neurology and activating muscles and tissues, like there's so many athletes that still train with those big cushy-bottomed running shoes.
00:40:17.000Sometimes when we're trying to make sense of these things, we go to multiple different sort of perspectives of it.
00:40:25.000So I'll take what I learned from Dr. Stu, and he's just my friend now as well, so I like hanging out and chatting with him about way out there aspects of these things.
00:40:34.000But you talk to Erwan LaCour as well, who has a different sphere of connecting to this kind of thing.
00:40:46.000I go to throw a punch and the important part is going to be my foot through the leg, through the hip, through the core and relaxed until the moment that it hits.
00:42:05.000On vacation the very next day and that night we grabbed margaritas and we walked around the resort and my feet were destroyed for acutely for three or four days like I couldn't walk and the inflammation was so unbelievably bad it was like bricks and even for months after it was really good Did you ice them?
00:42:25.000I tried to ice I would ice or I would get in immediately into the cold pool and spend the day in the cold pool drinking tequila in hopes that it would help and it kind of did I guess Yeah, foot pain is, I mean, that's one of the things that hurt Dominic Cruz in his comeback fight when he fought TJ Dillshaw.
00:42:44.000You notice he was, like, kind of limping a little.
00:42:46.000We were attributing it to the leg kicks.
00:42:49.000He said what was going on was he had plantar fasciitis because, you know, he had multiple injuries that he was receiving.
00:42:56.000Recovering from during that training camp and when he got knee surgery and he came back from that and he tore his groin he tried to like really ramp up his training he was doing a lot of sprinting and a lot of different things with his feet you know because obviously he's very footwork intensive with his fighting and he fucked his feet up man his feet just weren't in condition to do the kind of stuff that he used to be able to do and the first thing he got was plantar fasciitis Schaub had it too he told me it was one of the worst things he's ever had me too Think of this for
00:43:26.000the big picture meaning of this for Dominic.
00:43:29.000So you got somebody else and they're going about fighting and their career as a martial artist, a competitive fighter, one way.
00:43:38.000And Dominic goes about it a different way.
00:43:40.000And through Dominic's choices, Moving, training, footwork, he avoids a lot of the damage that these guys will take.
00:43:48.000But you can't avoid, something's going to go.
00:43:51.000So instead of getting kicked a lot and punched in the head and taking all those things, the training necessary to make that not happen fucks up something else.
00:44:13.000Cody Garbrandt, the rematch, is one of the most intriguing fights of the year for me.
00:44:17.000I'm really, really curious about that fight because I know those guys were tightly matched in the gym, and I know that Cody cracked him with a big right hand before TJ put him away.
00:45:10.000With his ability to switch stances, his ability, I mean, he's constantly cutting angles and striking as he's switching stances, and there's so much information coming at you if you're fighting him.
00:45:22.000Your brain's overloaded if you're not used to that.
00:45:25.000And even the guys who used to train with him, I believe in alpha male, are not used to what he's doing now.
00:46:14.000What we would decide to do to train to make our guy the best or try to be the best in the world in 10 months, if we take a different strategy and we start to build them to be the best in the world in three years, it's a different game.
00:46:27.000Dwayne has said, we will, and it's fucking hard work for Dwayne, too.
00:46:33.000Like, that's the thing that people won't necessarily appreciate.
00:46:37.000They'll be like, oh, he's a brilliant coach.
00:46:38.000That's nonstop, constant searching and examining and trial and error and reinterpreting his language of understanding where the chaos is and understanding, you know, can we make this guy believe something's happening or are we too deep in it that he doesn't think that and it fails?
00:46:56.000Like, what levels of misdirection are too deep?
00:47:28.000So your brain may be going, okay, this is all the stuff from the left, which happens when this happens, or the legs are doing this, or you're running algorithms in your brain.
00:48:54.000And they were on a train together, and contest winners on the thing got to ride on this train with Forrest Griffin and a bunch of high-level pro poker players.
00:49:03.000And I was there, and that was the first time I met Forrest, and he's a killer smart dude.
00:49:08.000But you watch these poker players who are all riding together, and they all know each other, and they are just telling each other lies all the time, trying to tell stories about things that represent the fact that they are conservative when really they're risk takers, or trying to tell each other things that make them think they're crazy,
00:49:32.000But that's the kind of thing that's happening on some level with the high-level fighters, too.
00:49:37.000Making them think certain things about what they will do or believe they'll do.
00:49:41.000Almost everything they say, the fans and the audience, we should assume is a game chip.
00:49:49.000It's like a something to make the other one believe something that might in that moment let me land that kick if he thinks that I'm, you know, whatever, right?
00:50:08.000If you get caught with a left hook, you're a loser.
00:50:10.000You know, there's just so much at stake with every single choice you make and all those choices have to be almost subconscious or semi-conscious because you've got to be in the Zen state.
00:50:35.000And you have to be in condition to execute all these things.
00:50:38.000So you have to have had the physical discipline and the mental fortitude to push yourself through training to a level that you probably didn't think you could get to.
00:50:46.000And I want to pounce with the opening, but what if it's a lie?
00:50:51.000Like, what if Matt Brown's line on that thing was actually, that one would be hard to be a lie, but there are other ones where it feels like that one little opening, but instead TJ's going to catch you or Cody's lined you up to draw you into something.
00:51:05.000His hand speed is so ridiculously fast.
00:51:07.000I go back to the Thomas Almeida fight, and Almeida's really never been the same again.
00:51:11.000Almeida, going into that fight, was undefeated, was thought to be the dark horse in the division, like, look, a future world champion.
00:51:18.000And Cody lit him up like a Christmas tree.
00:51:20.000And the way he did it was so definitive that you're like, Jesus, like, there could be no doubt this guy has real world championship potential.
00:52:19.000And then transitioned on to being a coach.
00:52:22.000And the obsession that he has towards coaching, is really at a higher level than even his obsession towards fighting and he talks about that that his passion is teaching people he loves it he loves being able to mold students and he's found the perfect muse or the perfect willing uh participant in tj And TJ and him have a very unique friendship and a very unique student mentorship sort of relationship.
00:52:50.000It's really, really interesting to watch the two of them together.
00:52:57.000And Dwayne has tons of athletes too, but a commitment and connection to TJ. Then you've got Matt Hume and Demetrius.
00:53:05.000You've got a few of these guys who are just like...
00:53:09.000We will funnel all of my experience through everything through this super athlete.
00:53:13.000But like you talk about those books, the only way that you get to a point of this level of mastery that we're talking about is that you must go down some fucking road for six months that amounts to nothing.
00:53:26.000So that you learn that road isn't the road.
00:53:29.000And the only way, and you can't give up too early, and what if by going down it long enough, some different concept about how you switch your feet in a certain moment.
00:53:37.000You think maybe that ain't it, but you have discovered that by pushing through some of these concepts long enough, you find it, so you stick with it long enough, and it turns out, no, Dwayne, or anybody else reaching that level of mastery, has gone down some rabbit hole for months or years and discovered the only value they got out of it was,
00:53:55.000well, no, there's lots of value, That wasn't the rabbit hole.
00:53:58.000And the process of searching this rabbit hole has made me better at searching rabbit holes.
00:54:03.000So those two values, some of the stacks of his books are things that didn't work.
00:54:08.000And he will probably appreciate those just as much as any of the ones that did.
00:54:11.000There's also TJ's approach is really interesting to me because TJ is obsessed with improvement and knowledge and he keeps talking about his fight IQ and you know him and Dwayne, I've been around them, I've trained with them, I've worked out with them, I've watched him coach TJ and I mean they're constantly working on the minutia,
00:54:31.000they're constantly working on finite details and improving every single aspect and Tightening things up.
00:54:51.000He's a guy who's always trying to take in information.
00:54:57.000So, these are the things when we do watch this kind of thing, whether it is martial arts or even jazz or football or whatever, there are these lessons that are there.
00:56:07.000And so I got to travel with George for a month, six weeks, off and on New York, LA, Montreal, life, eating ice cream, training with Freddie Roach.
00:57:48.000If your movement and your defensive systems and your management of the distance between our weapons and targets are such that I can't fucking touch you, how can I hurt you?
00:58:00.000If I can't even touch you with my glove.
00:58:02.000Well, the thing is, Here's what I think about point fighting and what I think was valid about it.
00:58:08.000If you're just doing point fighting with a point fighter, it is extremely frustrating.
00:58:13.000I fought in point fighting tournaments when I was competing.
00:58:18.000I came from a full contact Taekwondo background.
00:58:21.000And we fought in these tournaments and the object was to knock people unconscious.
00:58:25.000And you would fight, you know, there were three minute rounds and you would fight and you would try to kick people into another dimension.
00:58:50.000And so with our techniques, a lot of it, you would hit someone once, and they would counter, and then you'd set up the big shot afterwards.
00:58:58.000And if the referee kept stopping you, then you would never get anything done.
00:59:02.000But my thinking once I got into MMA was...
00:59:06.000Okay, yeah, but if you can do that and do the other things, it's like people dismiss Taekwondo because they're like, well, Taekwondo, you know, you get taken to the ground, you get your legs kicked out.
00:59:23.000And you know Muay Thai, you can wheel kick someone into another fucking dimension.
00:59:29.000And we saw that with Edson Barboza versus Terry Edom.
00:59:31.000We've seen these Taekwondo techniques manifest themselves in MMA, and you realize like, oh, these are some of the most powerful things you could do to a person inside a cage.
00:59:42.000When you see the point-fighting style, like the Raymond Daniels or the Michael Venom Page, this ability to blitz, if they can do those other things too, this is another level.
00:59:55.000So as a fighter, I wasn't willing to dismiss point-fighting because I had been lied to already.
01:00:01.000When I went and took Taekwondo and then started kickboxing, first American kickboxing above the waist, First thing I realized was how easy it was for me to get punched in the face.
01:00:13.000Now if I'm trapped in this ring, and I can't go anywhere, and someone's throwing punches, and I don't understand how to get away from them, and I'm used to this Taekwondo style of having your hands down low, I'm getting fucked up.
01:00:45.000And you get kicked, and then the referees point, and you're like, ugh.
01:00:49.000You don't have a chance to fire back because they're separating you guys and I really absorbed those lessons and I was like in MMA that ability to close the distance because in MMA there's so many guys and Connor talked about this there's so many guys that have this Muay Thai stance and they're presenting this very predictable target they're standing right in front of each other and I think This stance,
01:01:12.000and especially the forward stance, is one of the reasons why Vitor has been caught and knocked out twice with front kicks.
01:01:23.000Vitor explained this to me in, like, shit.
01:01:28.0001997, when I was training at Carlson Gracie's, he was explaining that some kickboxers are going to have a hard time in MMA, even though they're really good kickboxers, because the MMA stance, you really have to square off.
01:02:22.000But those types of doctrines is literally...
01:02:26.000And in martial arts, in day-to-day life, in anything, if you think anything is the thing, you're totally wrong.
01:02:33.000Because if we all agree it's the thing, then we're all acting like it's the thing, then we all start ignoring other things, and those things will work.
01:02:40.000So if you have to, if MMA, you have to square up.
01:02:45.000All of a sudden, some Connor comes out with a different thing, and you were wrong.
01:03:21.000Yeah, I mean, how about the low calf kick?
01:03:24.000Benson Henderson was, in my opinion, the first guy to bring it to MMA. And he started doing that back in the day, but not at the effectiveness, the level of effectiveness that we're seeing now.
01:03:34.000That low calf kick is fucking people up.
01:05:08.000And if we do, we've changed a lot of different things.
01:05:11.000And now something else is available that Dwayne or Duke or somebody else is already planning how to take advantage that you've made that adaptation.
01:05:36.000You know, I bring this to Paul Daly versus John Fitch because that fight was extremely frustrating to Paul Daly and frustrating to a lot of people that were watching it, too, because John Fitch was just able to take him down and kind of do what John Fitch does and hit him on the ground and kind of beat him up and controlled the position.
01:05:56.000And, you know, at the end of the fight, Paul's yelling, boo!
01:06:31.000It's like our human bodies and minds don't do all that many things that are that unbelievably beautiful and rooted in our history as human beings.
01:06:52.000The opposite of that scenario is Johnny Hendrix was fighting Stephen Thompson.
01:06:58.000And Johnny Hendricks wanted, when Steven would come in, he wanted to drill him with hooks and uppercuts and then get to his body and take him down and do what John Fitch did.
01:07:08.000But Steven's like, you're not doing that.
01:07:10.000And after he kicked him and beat him up at distance and then finished the fight, Johnny was being interviewed and he's like, well, it wasn't my name.
01:07:17.000And Johnny's a classy guy all over the length of his career.
01:07:22.000He sometimes gets heat, but who cares, right?
01:07:24.000The opinion of other people shouldn't matter to Johnny Hendricks.
01:07:27.000But Johnny said after, he's like, well, I was kind of hoping he'd come in and trade a little more.
01:07:32.000It's like, why the fuck would he do that?
01:07:51.000The answer to that style is take you down and not ever let you get up and force John Fitch's game on you, which is what makes fighting so interesting.
01:08:02.000If John Fitch had just decided to go cowboy and bite down his mouthpiece and just wing punches at Paul Daly until one of them went to sleep, that would have been a great fight for Paul Daly.
01:08:35.000And that, however people will look at that, that is, again, it is an expression of the individuality, the authentic truth of who Nick Diaz is.
01:10:23.000And it's crazy that they suspended him from marijuana when Anderson Silva tested positive for steroids in that fight, and he got a shorter suspension than Nick.
01:11:35.000You've got to do what you want to do, though.
01:11:37.000If he really, truly, that's what he wants to do, he'll find a way to do it.
01:11:41.000And if he doesn't, George, you've got George coming in.
01:11:45.000I asked George, so at work they're like, hey, can you see what's up with George and this Nate Diaz thing?
01:11:51.000I'm like, I'll ask, and I'll ask honestly as a friend, and he knows that I'm also employed by somebody, so we'll have a little conversation about it.
01:11:59.000But I will never, ever sacrifice a friendship or a long-term relationship to find something out.
01:13:24.000Yeah, I'm sure he wants that, but that fight would have to take place first, and who the fuck knows when Conor or Khabib would fight afterwards.
01:13:31.000If it's Conor, it might be a decade later.
01:13:33.000I mean, who the fuck knows what that guy's going to do now?
01:13:36.000When you give a guy like Conor $100 million, you know, I mean, this is what happens.
01:13:40.000He's throwing dollies at bus windows and losing his fucking mind.
01:14:19.000The monthly nut that they have to make caused them to fire I mean, there's a lot going on and there's been some, you know, great fights and it's obviously still incredibly popular, but you want to make those big pay-per-view bucks.
01:14:35.000GSP was always a big name star, became even bigger when he came back and beat Bisping and won by a finish and got him on a rear naked choke and put him to sleep.
01:15:01.000The funny thing to me is like, I always feel like, and I always feel like...
01:15:07.000A lot of these mechanisms, title shots, rankings, belts, you know, Twitter beefs, they were intended to be there as a short-term solution to give people a talking point until they got deeply invested and connected.
01:15:43.000Yeah, but you're obsessed with fighting.
01:15:45.000Most people, if you show them what's really going on there and contextualize the fact that these two human beings have dedicated their life and taken all of the knowledge in human history to put on the line in this moment of severe intensity and consequence, you won't care as much about whether somebody has an interim title.
01:16:28.000But I think at the root of it is an incorrect philosophical belief.
01:16:33.000So if I talk to people at the UFC, and I talk to them periodically...
01:16:40.000And I'll discuss something with them about, you know, and it's generally at different times been like, hey man, you can see the work that I'm doing and you can see people like it.
01:16:48.000Could I contribute something X or Y? And then I'll mention, you know, they will then say, well, you know, You've got like a really unique way of approaching it.
01:16:59.000We think, you know, we've got so many casual fans watching on Fox or on these TV stations.
01:17:34.000I go see what fucking Joe is feeding Marshall.
01:17:36.000Nobody's watching something they're not interested in ever in our society.
01:17:40.000We are all constantly and consciously choosing what we consume at all times.
01:17:47.000And if we're sitting there with our boyfriend or girlfriend or husband or wife and they're watching it, we're somewhere else.
01:17:52.000By feeding this non-existent casual audience and really believing they exist despite all the evidence that there is no such thing, you are now giving less attention Importance to your actual audience who is ready to go deeper, ready to see something more meaningful,
01:18:09.000ready to be brought somewhere different.
01:18:10.000There is no casual audience of almost anything in our modern world.
01:18:15.000I like what you're saying, but I disagree.
01:18:18.000Because people are watching and they don't know what the fuck they're watching.
01:18:47.000I love your approach, but I think your approach in their eyes is a little bit too esoteric and complex and maybe they balanced out better with someone like me.
01:21:03.000Because of that, I think it's one of the reasons why the show's been successful because it honestly represents my thinking.
01:21:09.000It's like I'm allowed to pursue my interests and have these conversations and let it be pure.
01:21:16.000I think if the UFC took that exact approach, I think the product would be better.
01:21:20.000And I think if they had someone like you breaking down the artistry of specific techniques, the air quote casual fan would be more educated and they would learn more about it.
01:21:32.000And you get some of that from Dominic Cruz when he does his breakdowns on Fox and some of the other fighters who do breakdowns and when Daniel Cormier does wrestling breakdowns and breakdowns, specific techniques of why they work and why they don't work and what someone's doing right or wrong.
01:21:50.000And I try to do the best I can, too, when it comes to the ground in particular, which is what I think is the most confusing aspect of MMA for the casual fan.
01:21:57.000But I think we should approach the entire sport in the most illuminating way possible.
01:22:06.000And I think a guy like you and your approach is very valuable.
01:22:33.000I think we're going through whatever you're doing, if you're trying to seek some kind of mastery, and if you realize you're really early in it, you can do it by studying yoga.
01:24:28.000It just didn't seem like the thing to do anymore.
01:24:31.000And I think that as you grow as a human being, you should have other interests.
01:24:37.000And I think the ones that are the most intriguing and the most passionate Or you're the most passionate of.
01:24:45.000They're going to give you the most reward if you pursue them.
01:24:49.000If you're more passionate about music than you are about accounting, but you decide to stick with accounting because it's what's paying your bills.
01:25:12.00020 years of way less pain is such a great trade for two years of pain.
01:25:17.000But if you're that guy with that Corvette that you got that lease on and you could barely fucking make those payments, you cannot take any chances.
01:25:25.000You have to just work those extra hours.
01:25:27.000Well, if I just put in two hours of overtime every day, that's still only 10 hours of work a day, but that was two hours at 20 bucks an hour.
01:25:34.000You start doing those calculations and that's how you get fucked.
01:25:39.000And next thing you know, you've got a family, and you've got kids, and you definitely can't move, and you've got a mortgage, and you definitely ain't pursuing any music dreams now, motherfucker.
01:26:32.000I decided I wanted to get up and tell stories and hopefully entertain people or inspire them or take them somewhere.
01:26:41.000And I did it partly, I watched your show, and then I would have never in a million years, or when I saw you in Vegas, would never in a million years thought I could do that.
01:26:49.000Because it's clearly a lifetime of training, and development, and improvement, and trial and error, and thousands and thousands of repetitions.
01:26:57.000And you look at that, and you don't look at an Olympic gymnast and say, I can do that.
01:27:02.000And that's kind of so I didn't think of it at all.
01:27:03.000But then I saw Brendan do his show, and it was awesome, and I realized he only started working on this two years ago.
01:29:57.000I mean, if the other guy is that big, and our goal is just to smash into each other until one of us is taken from the platform, and you're not that big, it's going to be very difficult.
01:30:06.000So it's like an arms race of size over generations where they just got bigger and bigger out of necessity.
01:30:12.000Because if you're bigger, I mean, what am I going to do?
01:30:51.000So I was in St. Petersburg and I absolutely love, I found a niche where I get to commentate like real traditional martial arts a fair bit.
01:31:01.000I've done Taekwondo and Karate at the Pan Am Games and I did the World Sumo Championships or the World Combat Games.
01:31:07.000I do the World Wushu Championships which is Kung Fu and San Da.
01:31:11.000And so I've carved out this niche where I get called for these and develop expertise in these different areas and get to experience them and see the little details that change when you change something.
01:32:18.000And his deal with ACB, who he loves and respects, he's become sort of partners in there with Mr. Haseev, who runs it, where Frank is now a partner of the presentation of it for American shows.
01:33:46.000The ideal approach is to do the best fights possible.
01:33:48.000The ideal approach is not necessarily to make the most money, or to have the, like, the most spectacular, like, like, When they were really promoting Ronda Rousey in the rematch or the fight with Amanda Nunes and didn't promote Nunes at all,
01:34:04.000I was like, I'm a huge Ronda Rousey fan.
01:35:11.000But when you see the overall game, like, versus Holly Holm, then you get to see, oh, there's a lot of limitations here in trying to smash through the bricks.
01:35:19.000If the bricks aren't there, and the bricks head kick you, you know what I mean?
01:36:16.000But at that point, you have to stop and wonder, is there anything we could do strategically different?
01:36:23.000Like, just because something worked all the way along in any business or in anything you're doing, there might be a time to take a slightly different approach or to change one of the fundamental beliefs of how we do business or something.
01:36:53.000And then by the time that it's actually in the heat of something scary or challenging happening, you've wasted two or three years that you could have used adapting to be ready for it.
01:37:29.000And you talk to Mike Brown or anyone there who's been around the greats, and they talk about it.
01:37:35.000But this level now, where they are, the brilliance of what we've seen, it's another example.
01:37:41.000If you think that only fighting to stand up when you're in guard is right, or only keeping somebody down is the game, and the only thing you have to worry about is they'll stand up, they'll submit you.
01:37:51.000As soon as you don't recognize where you are in the change of the river of life and time, you sometimes get fucked up.
01:38:03.000I know I literally was just in Singapore and I just spent days with this company, but they see the world differently.
01:38:10.000Is simply they're a values-based company that believes in the values of these things and tries to show people and share martial artistry for the greater good.
01:38:26.000They truly are going about and making choices.
01:38:28.000And when Chhatri says, I would not hire Conor McGregor because of what he represents, He's dead fucking serious.
01:38:35.000What does he represent that you wouldn't hire him for?
01:38:36.000His idea is, and what he sees, and I shouldn't speak for him at all.
01:38:41.000He's a brilliant man, by the way, this guy.
01:38:43.000He was a homeless kid with a single parent that later became educated and then moved to America and went to Harvard and then started managing corporate funds and became a Muay Thai champion.
01:39:48.000And that sounds because – and I'm not quite – although I've drank the Kool-Aid, I believe in what they're doing and I see it as real, not only because my values line up with it, but I think they are going to grow dramatically as a result of some of these – the way they see the world.
01:40:02.000But not only that, but I'm still also immersed here.
01:40:19.000Some of the most interesting moments I've had are with that guy and some of the most interesting, many dozens of hours of trying to figure out what's happening and research and growth has happened by studying that guy.
01:40:31.000And I see the games that he is willing to play as part of his strategy for success as a fighter and success trying to be successful for his family and his future.
01:40:46.000But I respect this idea that conflict and controversy are not good for...
01:40:52.000I understand that, but I also understand psychological warfare, and I think that Connor's a master of that, and that has a huge factor in victory.
01:40:58.000I mean, this is something Miyamoto Musashi used to his advantage.
01:41:02.000You know, if you read the Book of Five Rings, what Connor's doing is fucking with people's heads to To the point where he has space in their head, and then Connor goes into the cage like loose as a goose, relaxed and calm.
01:41:17.000So he's letting you know, I don't give a fuck about you, but you give a fuck about me, and I'm going to fuck you up right now.
01:43:52.000Yeah, once you're doing something and I'm responding, which he responds, that happens every day in gangs and wars in Northern Ireland and Ireland and all types of religions.
01:44:06.000And when you watch it, and then there'll be a lot of people, you see this scenario and like Khabib's fans or friends or supporters and Connors and they're like, he did this, now he We did this.
01:47:16.000But, obviously, it's a terrible thing to do and stupid.
01:47:20.000You know, there's a way to manage that.
01:47:22.000But then these people say, well, you know, now it becomes like the WWE. And, you know, there's people that love real fighting that have a real hard time with these fake WWE-style scenarios where you know that...
01:47:37.000Whether it's Colby Covington, he did a promo recently where he had a girl by the pool and the girl sat in his lap and she obviously had a planned script and seemed kind of corny.
01:47:52.000There's people who think that's great and there's people who fucking hate it.
01:48:12.000If you're viewing it as inspiring artistry with which there are lessons to fucking live your life on one hand, and that's how I truly see it and interface with it and experience it and share it and want to see people get to feel that.
01:48:30.000And then on the other hand, you're putting together these weird scripts to sell pay-per-views.
01:48:35.000But I mean, wrestling, that stuff came up in wrestling because it isn't inherently real.
01:48:43.000If we understood how brilliant Colby Covington was, if we understood how brilliant of a combat sportsman he was, he wouldn't have to do that.
01:48:51.000But he's doing that and that's what got him a title shot.
01:48:53.000So on the other side of the coin, we're wrong.
01:48:56.000Well, no, if we understood, he would get it based on that.
01:49:03.000It's like, I'll see people talk about fighting after, and they'll be like, and some people, this is their idea of covering a fight, or fans, or people, and everybody's entitled to their own thing, but they'll be like, yeah, the show is kind of a lackluster affair, not a lot of finishes.
01:49:19.000Fuck it, you had 20 brilliant athletes interact and your opinion of how it did or didn't excite you is super valid to you.
01:49:48.000I mean, he's beaten some other people, but in terms of top 10 contenders, in terms of like real world-class fighters, there's a lot of guys that are out there that have fucked up a lot of other people.
01:49:57.000Like, Wonderboy was like, how is this guy fighting for the title, for an interim title, and I'm not?
01:50:02.000After he's gone through those two big fights with Tyron Woodley, beating Jorge Masvidal, beating Johnny Hendricks, beating all these different fighters, Colby beat Damian Maia, and that's really the big name on his resume.
01:50:14.000But it's also because he's going to be fighting Rafael dos Andros, who's a Brazilian.
01:50:18.000He said a lot of stupid shit about Brazil.
01:50:33.000And again, you talk to Dean Thomas or Mike Brown, and they, two years back, when they were talking, and I'm Jorge Masvidal, That's one of those special artists to me.
01:50:45.000And so I'll be asking, you know, like when I'll see Mike or Dean or these guys or anybody around that, I'm like, hey, how's Jorge doing?
01:51:37.000But it's because there's a natural love of that kind of performance.
01:51:42.000And Colby, and I've played around with it a little bit when I played in a band where you would be rude and arrogant and play that kind of game.
01:52:20.000Even if you were to talk to somebody like a stereotypically passionate person we're talking about here, and you said it's a joke, and they'd be like, you can't make that joke.
01:52:31.000Their point isn't that I don't care if he was kidding.
01:52:34.000The fact that he was willing to do that is so disrespectful to all of us that we must slit his throat.
01:52:41.000And that's what they'll chant when he goes to walk out there.
01:54:38.000And really, if we move away all other things and just look at the systems at play and how and why it's there, if he had another 2 million Instagram followers, that would not happen.
01:55:10.000Also, if you're going to strip Conor, which they did, and you have Khabib fight for the title, the true title, and, you know, look, that's arguable whether or not you should do that.
01:55:18.000It should probably be two interim fights or two interim titles.
01:55:44.000Well, there's there's a bunch of yeah, it was really fun and I like Ally Quint is another one of these guys.
01:55:50.000How can you not be inspired seeing a guy that's like Life is traveling along and all of a sudden you have this one shot at something.
01:55:59.000You're not ready You don't have you haven't prepared in the ways you want but you know what I'm gonna go for right that's a life lesson you know and there's also like There's a forgiving nature to this machine that is kind of admirable.
01:56:38.000They don't even know where rankings come from, which is a bunch of people hanging out who kind of watch fighting a bunch and making an arbitrary choice and then combining it.
01:56:46.000Do you know what a first-class noticer is?
01:56:51.000A first-class noticer in business or any number of things is somebody who, over time, you start to see the different systems and how they interact with each other.
01:58:22.000He pursued because it was of interest to him.
01:58:24.000He pursued it to get good at it because he loved it, which means he's predisposed to thinking that way.
01:58:30.000So now you also have a thinker, a fighter, an incredibly dangerous striker, a guy who can play complex games in it, and you, in your infinite wisdom, don't think he can fight Habib because somebody somewhere said that he put a seven next to his name instead of a three.
01:58:46.000There was a lot of real problems with the Athletic Commission, and we won't go into depth with them.
01:58:56.000Yeah, there's a lot of nonsense that was going on behind the scenes.
01:58:59.000But I think that what was interesting about that fight was we got to see Al step up, we got to see Khabib have some issues with striking, and we got to see...
01:59:34.000Because if we have some kind of value root of what we're about other than the necessity to sell things based on the same marketing that we've used, we wouldn't have to be in that situation.
02:01:00.000You know, fucking 205 and shit and cutting down to 170. That's a good one, man.
02:01:05.000It's a really, you know, there's so many little oddball variables and unknowns, right?
02:01:11.000Like, we literally, when we go and we look at these, the more you've studied and analyzed and commentated fighting for 20 years of your life, the more you realize how little we actually know.
02:01:23.000Like, we have about 2 or 7 or 18% of the actual information.
02:02:10.000And that is, I think, what's at play here.
02:02:12.000Is there any evidence that Darren Till can do what Rory McDonald couldn't do and Jorge Masvidal couldn't do and get to a guy who has that movement, that blitz thinking, that karate, those karate instincts we were talking about?
02:02:52.000And then you talk to people that know him, you know, talk to people that know his striking acumen and people that have seen him in the gym and understand what he's been through in his life.
02:03:13.000But what I'm saying is, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if he could do it.
02:03:19.000Because we've seen enough over time to know that what a 23-year-old is capable of, they'll see the whole game differently.
02:03:26.000They'll see their understanding of where they are in relation to the other guy is so different that one day, all of a sudden, all these 25-year-olds are just so fucking good, and we don't really have the language to explain why.
02:03:41.000Can we just say, oh, he was able to close the distance on Stephen Thompson?
02:05:42.000I want to say, he might even be 35. Yeah.
02:05:44.000The hips and the knees and the shoulders and that whole thing.
02:05:49.000And there's also that he developed mastery in what he does.
02:05:56.000And once you've developed that elite, elite, top level of reached your highest potential, it's hard to keep going.
02:06:04.000And then the masses start to close that distance.
02:06:07.000The general young kid start, you know, a kid at TriStar, like some of their young guys, they have that, and they've had Thompson in there for years, and Faraz has been able to study people like that up close, and they all studied Lyoto.
02:06:20.000Now the young guy can do a lot of those things at a much higher level than fighters that came before them.
02:06:26.000So your level of mastery starts, you plateau to a point that it's hard to go beyond.
02:06:31.000It's really hard work, and sometimes it requires you to get a little shittier.
02:06:35.000For a bit to go past that plateau, to weaken or get worse by having to re-examine what you believe and the way that you train or the way that you fight.
02:06:45.000To break through a plateau, you've got to kind of be willing to go backwards a bit.
02:06:49.000And when you're fighting Tyron Woodley's other world, you cannot go backwards.
02:07:20.000But when I do that, he moves away and hits.
02:07:22.000What if I can just get to the edge of his sort of bubble of that hot range where he can hurt you?
02:07:29.000And maybe that low leg kick is a part of that.
02:07:32.000Maybe that low leg kick just getting on the outside of it where you're still somewhat safe, but you can smash him up a little bit.
02:07:38.000Maybe there's a weapon that hasn't been used.
02:07:40.000Well, this is also arguably the best striker that Wonderboy's ever faced in MMA. Arguably, right?
02:07:48.000I mean, Masvidal is a very talented striker as well, but Wonderboy is a master of that front leg, and that front leg is a real tricky one.
02:07:57.000Because that karate style that he uses, he keeps his hands down low, he stands totally sideways on you, and you've got to get past that front leg side kick.
02:08:58.000And that, so when I get to go study sanda and kung fu and wushu, there are, you know, some of my friends are like, well, you know, like, enjoy it.
02:09:08.000I'm like, No, there's going to be some brilliant shit to learn over here.
02:09:11.000And some of that long fist stuff, like people will often say, well, Kung Fu's not super relevant.
02:09:16.000Some of that long fist reaching where I move my body through space to reach you, which people would say is dangerous, you get countered.
02:10:37.000Although you do start to see that in that moment where I get to four points and I'm going to stand up and you just kind of decide, okay, that's all right, we'll get back to the fence.
02:10:47.000In that process of standing up, a lot of guys throw a fight-finishing kick there or just at least take that chance to smash your leg with one.
02:10:55.000There's free shots that exist in these moments and Jon Jones is a master of finding them.
02:11:01.000Yeah, I hope they figure out what the fuck they're going to do with him soon.
02:11:05.000I don't know where they stand now in terms of his suspension or what have you, but here's my ultimate goal, my hope, my dream, is that Cormier fights Stipe for the heavyweight title, and somewhere around then they announce when Jon Jones' suspension is up,
02:11:25.000they announce Jon Jones versus Brock Lesnar.
02:12:57.000Maybe he just keeps doing what he's doing and keeps beating everybody's ass and people keep forgiving him and hopefully he doesn't wind up in jail.
02:14:21.000But when we turn the TV on, I don't care if you watch CNN or Fox or CNBC or whatever, or the NFL or hockey or fighting or whatever, a lot of what we see is a bunch of heads who somebody has said, you choose different sides, or they know that's what they should do,
02:14:47.000That drives me nuts when it comes to fighting because they have this sort of robotic, predetermined pattern of behavior that they apply to football and baseball.
02:14:59.000I just feel like fighting is more personal, more intimate.
02:15:35.000Now that is a rehearsed, over-strategized, constructed, artificial speaker.
02:15:40.000In a world where someone watches the fucking Joe Rogan podcast or goes on and sees Dwayne training guys or watches a supermodel on Instagram or sees what The Rock is cooking, like I said, we see real people everywhere.
02:15:53.000So now this becomes ritualistic and artificial.
02:17:19.000Yeah, but if you haven't been through that, if you haven't experienced failure, if you haven't been carried out on a stretcher as everybody boos you or felt victory or been terrified, you cannot logically criticize them because you don't understand.
02:17:35.000Even if you haven't done it, if you have some respect for it, I respect you.
02:17:40.000Just understand what they're going through.
02:17:42.000I don't think you necessarily have to have gone to war to be a war correspondent to understand it, to talk about it.
02:17:47.000You don't have to have shot someone to be able to understand what people are going through, or at least try to comprehend it, but have some respect about it.
02:17:56.000There's a way to criticize technique and movement without being insulting.
02:18:00.000And I think this is a part of the problem.
02:18:02.000The sports guy attitude is an insulting attitude.
02:18:14.000And it really hurts my feelings when I see that sort of strategy applied to covering mixed martial arts.
02:18:21.000Yeah, and like I said, it acts as if, as less and less people consume this older, but valid interface, television, less and less, and more and more are consuming other things that are different and new and stuff.
02:18:39.000It's bizarre that the old one starts to say, yeah, well, we still do it this way.
02:19:04.000You have to re-step in, and this applies to us all.
02:19:08.000You have to re-step in, look at where you are and what its meaning is, and realize, oh, technology changed, the audience changed, the world changed, my life changed, the economy changed, the market.
02:19:24.000But the reason sports television, the NFL, or many of these things, news, doesn't, is it starts out that there are innovators.
02:19:33.000So in fighting, it was Dana White and the Fertittas, and you guys, and the vital, young, innovative creators.
02:19:41.000And then as it grows, you need organized thinkers.
02:19:44.000You need people who can organize and structure something so that it can grow.
02:19:49.000The problem is they get really good at structuring hierarchies.
02:19:52.000They get really good at structuring business in such a way that they are then in charge.
02:19:56.000And then when it changes, you need those creatives again.
02:19:58.000But these structure guys are there and they've built these formulas that they are then bound by.
02:20:05.000Where it's like, well, of course we're starting with the opening shot, and then we're going to go, we're right here in Brazil, shot of Christ the Redeemer, and then we'll go, and here we've got a, oh, it's an unbelievable matchup with the winner gets the title shot.
02:20:17.000Those are bizarre, formulaic rituals created when they mattered and they were valuable by highly intelligent people that were required to make this work.
02:21:22.000There's pictures of Canelo Alvarez and people are, you know, judging his body and saying he looks tiny now and there's all these emojis of pills and needles all throughout his entire Instagram post.
02:23:00.000Wherever the positive people are, if you're going to spend time, and I like to because if 50,000 people watch me do a breakdown, that means a lot to me.
02:23:11.000And if 60 of them commented, if I can schedule in the day 45 minutes, I'm going to take the time and thank as many of them as I can.
02:23:18.000But only where the good ones, only where the positive ones are.
02:23:21.000Not that I want to be reinforced at what I'm doing, but I'm not going to spend the time on people who are going through life so negative that I can't get through to them anyways.
02:24:48.000Because of the fact that we had the comments killed during the live feed, you couldn't chat during the live feed, when we would transfer it over to YouTube, the comments would be disabled, and people went crazy.
02:25:02.000And I had a tweet about it, but look, I'm not disabling the comments.
02:25:05.000I don't know what this glitch is, but they're going to figure it out.
02:25:09.000But Schaub decided to disable his comments on purpose.
02:25:31.000It's like, I know there's some really positive comments and people who are healthy people who are just interested in debate and discussion about particular topics, but when you're dealing with all these negative people, like, what are the numbers?
02:25:42.000If you have a million people watching a YouTube video, are we talking about a hundred people that are cunts?
02:25:59.000And is keeping that cesspool open, keeping that commode open for them to dump their fucking verbal diarrhea into, is that giving the kid candy for being an asshole?
02:28:09.000Can you imagine if the person asks you while you're feeding your daughter, if somebody did that, maybe the first time he'd be like, well, I can't believe this guy wants to take a selfie with me.
02:28:17.000But after that, you're still living your human life.
02:29:26.000You can get mad, you can get outraged, and that's a reasonable result, a reasonable response if you want.
02:29:33.000But if you rationalize, if you have empathy, it's like this guy still wants to do this thing that his body won't allow him to do, and so he's willing to bend the rules to attempt it.
02:29:42.000He failed, and now he's going to have to pay the consequences.
02:29:45.000Yeah, it's a month after his knockout loss to Volkov.
02:30:45.000Yeah, these big athletes like this, like what the force that they can generate, like Ngannou, that ability to create that type of power and impact.
02:30:56.000There's a crazy picture of Ngannou standing next to a professional basketball player, and Ngannou looks like a tiny person.