The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #4 with Justin Wren

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00:00:06.000 Justin Ren, ladies and gentlemen, come on!

00:00:08.000 Hello, fella!

00:00:10.000 With the silky hair and the beautiful beard.

00:00:12.000 Oh, thank you so much for having me.

00:00:13.000 My pleasure, my brother.

00:00:14.000 How's things?

00:00:15.000 Man, things are good.

00:00:16.000 Things are really good.

00:00:17.000 I mean, last night getting to go to the Comedy Store for the first time and seeing all those legends and just being a legendary atmosphere.

00:00:22.000 I mean, it was seriously an incredible time.

00:00:24.000 It's a fun place, right?

00:00:26.000 Yeah, I mean, and you had us rolling, so it was really fun.

00:00:29.000 I got to see Brendan and Brian Cowan first, and then you, and so it was just hilarious.

00:00:34.000 Did you get to go to the upstairs room as well, or did you go to the two downstairs rooms?

00:00:37.000 Was that where you were?

00:00:37.000 No, I was in the belly room is upstairs.

00:00:41.000 Brendan and Brian were in the main room.

00:00:43.000 I was there?

00:00:43.000 I was in the original room, which is the front room.

00:00:46.000 So I didn't get to go to the top?

00:00:48.000 Tonight I'll show you the top.

00:00:49.000 It's a bizarre little place.

00:00:50.000 There's three comedy clubs in one place.

00:00:52.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

00:00:54.000 Yeah, it's fucking great.

00:00:55.000 Yeah, walking around, seeing all the history, seeing everyone get amped, and then being able to be that close to the comedians, too, is pretty awesome.

00:01:03.000 I mean, being able to meet them, say hi, and just, you're in arm's distance from them, so really unique.

00:01:08.000 If anyone hasn't gone, I suggest going, because it was awesome.

00:01:11.000 Yeah, I think Chappelle has filmed his Netflix special, his next one.

00:01:15.000 He did there.

00:01:16.000 In the belly room.

00:01:17.000 In the belly room, yeah.

00:01:18.000 I watched him work one of them out.

00:01:19.000 I don't think he was filming then, but I'm not sure.

00:01:23.000 It comes out soon, right?

00:01:24.000 Does it?

00:01:25.000 I think they weirdly announced that it comes out this month, I think.

00:01:28.000 I'll double check on that real quick, but I think so.

00:01:30.000 That might be the case because it's so small.

00:01:33.000 There's probably not a lot of camera angles.

00:01:35.000 And I know he filmed a lot of shows.

00:01:38.000 So maybe he just wants to just get one of them perfect and then throw it out there.

00:01:42.000 But he had a lot of like really topical material, real current material.

00:01:46.000 Yeah.

00:01:47.000 Was it smaller than the room that you were in last night?

00:01:49.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:50.000 Not even half the size.

00:01:52.000 Wow.

00:01:52.000 See, that's incredible.

00:01:54.000 December 31st?

00:01:55.000 That's crazy.

00:01:56.000 They don't have a video here, but this is equanimity is what it's called.

00:02:03.000 Nice.

00:02:04.000 It was funny, man.

00:02:05.000 It was really funny.

00:02:07.000 And seeing him in that tiny little room, like there were 70 people in the room.

00:02:11.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:11.000 Yeah.

00:02:12.000 They did get more in there sometimes, but don't tell the fire department.

00:02:16.000 Fucking shouldn't.

00:02:16.000 Speaking of fire department.

00:02:18.000 Oh, man.

00:02:19.000 It's crazy out here.

00:02:19.000 Yeah.

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:21.000 I mean, I've seen that video you posted on your Instagram.

00:02:24.000 It seriously looks like Armageddon.

00:02:26.000 Yeah, it's from Barstool Sports.

00:02:28.000 If anybody wants to go to their Instagram page, somebody put up a video of last night driving up the 405. Gosh.

00:02:36.000 It's the craziest thing you'll ever see.

00:02:37.000 It's the entire mountain.

00:02:38.000 What's crazy is that's Bel Air.

00:02:42.000 I mean, that's like a really ritzy area.

00:02:44.000 Super expensive houses.

00:02:46.000 And that fire is just raging towards them.

00:02:49.000 It's right near the Getty Center.

00:02:51.000 And apparently what they're calling this is a dry hurricane.

00:02:55.000 Wow.

00:02:56.000 So, I don't live in California and I'm not a homeowner yet, but does homeowner insurance cover all that or do you have to have extra, like, fire insurance?

00:03:03.000 That's a very good question and I don't know the answer.

00:03:06.000 Yeah, because my family was in Hurricane Katrina and because they had hurricane insurance but they didn't have, like, wind insurance and so the insurance companies would say...

00:03:15.000 Fuck a minute.

00:03:16.000 Or flooding insurance or something like that.

00:03:18.000 It was whatever you didn't have, you would get one and not the other.

00:03:21.000 And so then whatever you didn't have, that's what the insurance company would claim.

00:03:24.000 Well, you didn't have this and that's what you should have had.

00:03:26.000 And so people were losing tons of money, their whole homes.

00:03:29.000 My family lost a whole roof off their house.

00:03:31.000 Ah, these monsters.

00:03:33.000 Yeah.

00:03:33.000 And so that's what I'm wondering.

00:03:34.000 Like, okay, you have a homeowner insurance, but do you have fire insurance?

00:03:37.000 And are they going to cover that?

00:03:39.000 You know, if those are, if that's Bel Air and that's million dollar homes, hopefully they have the right insurance.

00:03:44.000 Well, I'm sure some people have fire insurance.

00:03:46.000 I know it's a thing.

00:03:47.000 Just like hurricane and flood insurance is also a thing, but...

00:03:51.000 Do they have fire hurricane insurance?

00:03:52.000 It's a good question.

00:03:54.000 Well, yeah, right?

00:03:55.000 This is a fire hurricane.

00:03:57.000 It's not just a hurricane.

00:03:58.000 Well, they're calling it a dry hurricane, meaning there's no wind or there's no water, but it's hurricane gale force winds.

00:04:06.000 Gale force?

00:04:07.000 I don't know if that's right.

00:04:08.000 Hurricane force winds, technically.

00:04:10.000 Not like, you know...

00:04:11.000 In my hotel, I mean, the wind was just ripping all last night, and to know that there's those fires out there, man, that's crazy.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, it's insane, man.

00:04:19.000 Where I live, I was evacuated twice.

00:04:21.000 Oh my gosh.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, twice in the early 2000s, where the fire got so close, it was within a mile of my house.

00:04:29.000 When it hits and the wind goes, it can take over.

00:04:34.000 It can just run.

00:04:35.000 They said that the fires that they were having in Northern California were going through an entire football field every six seconds.

00:04:45.000 That's mind-blowing.

00:04:47.000 Fuck, man.

00:04:48.000 Just imagine watching that.

00:04:50.000 Watching fires just cut through a football field 100 yards every six seconds.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, it's almost like those clouds when the storm was rolling.

00:04:55.000 Yeah.

00:04:56.000 You're just watching those go by.

00:04:57.000 A lot of people died in those Northern California fires, too.

00:05:00.000 They just got stuck.

00:05:01.000 There's nowhere to get out.

00:05:02.000 And they apparently, like that whole Napa area is...

00:05:06.000 Have you ever been up there?

00:05:07.000 No.

00:05:08.000 Damn, before the fires.

00:05:09.000 I don't know what it looks like right now, but God, it was beautiful.

00:05:12.000 It's where they do all the wine making, you know?

00:05:14.000 And we actually went turkey hunting up there, me and Brian Cowan.

00:05:19.000 Oh, nice.

00:05:19.000 Yeah, Steve Rinella took us up there, and we were up there, and we were like, God, this is so gorgeous.

00:05:25.000 But it's like semi-rural, but then a big tourist vacation destination, too.

00:05:31.000 It's like people come there for those wine tasting things and everything.

00:05:34.000 Apparently, a giant chunk of that part of the state just got lit up.

00:05:39.000 And when you go turkey hunting, are you using a bow?

00:05:42.000 Are you using a shotgun?

00:05:44.000 Shotguns.

00:05:44.000 This was for the meat-eater show.

00:05:46.000 So do you have to go for their heads?

00:05:48.000 So that's nuts.

00:05:49.000 Because you can't hit their body or it goes everywhere, right?

00:05:52.000 Well, then you have to pull out all the lead, you know, which like when people shoot smaller birds like pheasants and things along those lines, you do shoot the entire body.

00:06:00.000 But with the turkey, you're basically sitting still and you call them in.

00:06:04.000 You're like, bark, bark, bark.

00:06:05.000 You get this little sound thing in your hand, or you have one in your mouth, and you make little turkey calls, and the turkeys come in and just blast them in the head.

00:06:14.000 Or you shoot them in the body with a bow.

00:06:18.000 I know my friend John Dudley and a lot of those guys, they hunt with bows, and they shoot turkeys with a bow.

00:06:23.000 But it's tricky, because a turkey's a goddamn dinosaur.

00:06:27.000 And if you don't hit it in the right spot, they'll just fly away with an arrow sticking out of them.

00:06:30.000 Literally.

00:06:32.000 Something that kills a deer.

00:06:33.000 Go right through a turkey and the turkey's like, bitch, I'm out of here.

00:06:37.000 Like, you have to catch them in their vitals.

00:06:39.000 Their vitals are, you literally are shooting an arrow at a softball from, you know, 40 yards.

00:06:45.000 Yeah.

00:06:45.000 So you might not hit it.

00:06:46.000 Well, man, seeing this new space is awesome.

00:06:48.000 I mean, this is an incredible new studio, and seeing that your targets are up there, you got, what, 48, 46?

00:06:53.000 47 yards.

00:06:54.000 47 yards.

00:06:55.000 Indoors, yeah.

00:06:55.000 But when you come back, man, we'll have a full gym.

00:06:58.000 You'll be able to work out and the whole deal.

00:07:00.000 Yeah.

00:07:00.000 No, that's awesome.

00:07:01.000 Dude, after you watched the UFC and you saw Francis Ngannou, did you see if you could make 205?

00:07:07.000 I think a lot of people did.

00:07:09.000 A lot of people were like, I could make 205. I think it's totally possible.

00:07:14.000 I've always been against it, but now I'm thinking about it.

00:07:17.000 Just kidding.

00:07:18.000 But man, he is a monster.

00:07:20.000 He's terrifying.

00:07:21.000 A monster to see how far he sent...

00:07:25.000 The Overeem's head was just backwards in that one photo.

00:07:28.000 That's like an iconic...

00:07:29.000 That's probably the most iconic, at least in my mind, or epic heavyweight fighting, MMA fighting photo that there is.

00:07:36.000 I think so, too.

00:07:38.000 I mean, with that head knocked back that way, and I mean, it just looked like such a power...

00:07:41.000 I mean, it was a powerful punch, but the timing of that shot was just incredible.

00:07:45.000 You see that one where his head is just completely knocked back?

00:07:48.000 Yeah.

00:07:48.000 Maybe it's a scary, scary dude.

00:07:49.000 I put that one on my Instagram feed, too.

00:07:51.000 That picture seems like...

00:07:53.000 The coming of the new king.

00:07:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:57.000 Like, obviously, he's got to beat Stipe Miocic, but if you want to, like, look at a picture, like, in history, when you come back and go, this is the moment where Ngannou arrived, and people realize, like, holy shit.

00:08:08.000 Like, this guy is for real.

00:08:11.000 He didn't just do that to any guy.

00:08:12.000 He did that to Alistair motherfucking Overeem.

00:08:15.000 Yeah, K1 kickboxing world champion.

00:08:17.000 Yeah, Strikeforce world champion.

00:08:19.000 Just a stud.

00:08:21.000 Like, elite fighter.

00:08:23.000 Number one heavyweight contender.

00:08:25.000 Yeah, well, you and Brendan were talking about it last week on the show.

00:08:29.000 And to hear you guys saying, if he starches him, and if he can, if he can prove himself.

00:08:33.000 And it's like, man, he just did it the best way possible.

00:08:36.000 And the way he did it, it's like the whole world's noticing.

00:08:39.000 I saw it on CNN, I saw it on all these different websites, and everyone's just raving like he could be the next big thing.

00:08:47.000 And I think that's going to put him on the map.

00:08:48.000 Now that everybody knows, and they have this highlight reel of his knockouts now, and so the advertiser fight between him and Stipe, I think it's going to be gigantic.

00:08:57.000 Yeah, I think it's going to be huge.

00:08:59.000 I've been able to talk with Stipe's coach, and there's a potential I was going to go out and help him in this training camp.

00:09:05.000 So hopefully that still happens.

00:09:07.000 My schedule's kind of crazy, but hopefully I can get up there for a week and sneak up there.

00:09:10.000 Yeah, I'm happy for Stipe to get a big fight.

00:09:13.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:09:14.000 And if he wins against Ngannou, I mean, that is just gigantic.

00:09:19.000 That would be absolutely phenomenal.

00:09:21.000 If there's a guy that can do it, I think it's Stipe for sure.

00:09:23.000 Well, he's the champ.

00:09:24.000 He's the champ for a reason.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:09:26.000 But he's got a lot of work to do.

00:09:28.000 Yeah.

00:09:28.000 He's so big.

00:09:30.000 Got to weather that storm and put him up against the cage, wear him out, pummel.

00:09:34.000 I mean, just get really heavy on him and tire him out.

00:09:37.000 Yeah.

00:09:37.000 Take him into deep waters, put him on his back.

00:09:39.000 We've got to remember, Overeem did get him up against the cage.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:09:42.000 Overeem lunged at him, clinched with him, got him up against the cage, but couldn't do a goddamn thing with him.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:09:48.000 I think a little difference is Stipe having that All-American wrestling background.

00:09:53.000 What?

00:09:54.000 This is crazy.

00:09:55.000 He's opening up as the betting favorite over the heavyweight champion Stipe Miocic.

00:09:59.000 I mean, this is amazing.

00:10:00.000 I mean, I get it, I understand, but that is pretty incredible that he's the betting favorite.

00:10:06.000 Yeah, I guess if you just look at his comment, do MMA math or so, but the common opponent with them and Overeem and how they both performed against him.

00:10:15.000 Yeah.

00:10:16.000 Well, Overeem did catch Stipe and had him stunned and knocked him on his ass, and then Stipe came back and won.

00:10:22.000 But, you know, he's going to be obviously super aware of how dangerous it is to connect with Ngannou.

00:10:28.000 He's going to obviously try to stay on the outside.

00:10:31.000 And when he closes the distance, close the distance, get that clinch, get him up against the cage, and figure out some way to either get that guy down or wear his legs out or do something.

00:10:40.000 We don't know what happens when Ngannou goes into the third, fourth, and fifth rounds.

00:10:44.000 If anybody can even physically take him there.

00:10:46.000 Yeah.

00:10:47.000 I do love how Stipe has that killer instinct, both against Overeem after getting hurt, even Verdum after his leg injury.

00:10:55.000 Junior Dos Santos, I think.

00:10:56.000 Oh, sorry.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:10:57.000 The Dos Santos fight, yeah.

00:10:59.000 Dos Santos had kicked his leg pretty hard and giant swelling on his leg.

00:11:03.000 Yeah.

00:11:04.000 Then to come back and just knock him out the way that he did was just beautiful.

00:11:07.000 Yeah.

00:11:07.000 So even if he gets hurt, if he doesn't get put out and he's hurt, he can still turn on that killer instinct and put him away.

00:11:14.000 Yeah.

00:11:14.000 It's going to be exciting.

00:11:15.000 Watching this fight, I'm amped for it.

00:11:17.000 This is one of the big heavyweight fights recently that I'm just so stoked for.

00:11:21.000 Yeah, that's the big one.

00:11:23.000 I think it's probably the biggest heavyweight fight ever when you think about what Ngannou is.

00:11:27.000 I mean, there's obviously been some giant fights like Brock Lesnar when he fought Cain Velasquez, Brock Lesnar when he fought over him.

00:11:34.000 Those are huge fights.

00:11:35.000 But I think that Ngannou is something special.

00:11:38.000 And if Stipe could figure out how to turn him down, how to shut him down and beat him, I mean, it will really cement his position as the baddest man on the planet.

00:11:48.000 And if not, we've got a new king.

00:11:50.000 Yeah.

00:11:51.000 I mean, it's really exciting.

00:11:53.000 I was even thinking when you're seeing those last fights, this one I'm as excited for as whenever Brock fought Shane Cartwin.

00:12:00.000 Me and Brennan both were helping Shane train for that fight.

00:12:03.000 And now I might be involved for a week or so helping Stipe get ready for this one.

00:12:09.000 Just being around that, seeing their preparations, what they're going to do.

00:12:12.000 Even just being a training partner for that legendary fight would be pretty epic.

00:12:15.000 Are you going to shave lightning bolts in your head to emulate Ngannou?

00:12:19.000 I'm at least going to dye black lightning bolts in my hair.

00:12:23.000 Just be the reverse, the vanilla gorilla version.

00:12:26.000 Have you trained with Stipe before?

00:12:28.000 I haven't.

00:12:29.000 I just talked with his coaches a bit.

00:12:31.000 They thought it would be a great idea, and I think it is too.

00:12:34.000 He's out there in Cleveland, I'm sure.

00:12:35.000 I mean, he's got some incredible team around him.

00:12:38.000 And you're in Oklahoma City now, right?

00:12:40.000 I'm in Oklahoma City, yeah.

00:12:40.000 With Lovato.

00:12:42.000 Yeah, that's awesome.

00:12:43.000 And he's killing it out there, too.

00:12:44.000 Oh my gosh.

00:12:45.000 Well, he's undefeated, 7-0.

00:12:47.000 Strangling people.

00:12:48.000 Gosh.

00:12:49.000 And knocking people out, too, which is crazy.

00:12:51.000 He started boxing, or at least kickboxing, before he ever started jiu-jitsu.

00:12:55.000 Really?

00:12:55.000 So as a kid, his father and him, I don't know if you know what, they're the first ever American father-son Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts, and man, but they have this background of just everything.

00:13:07.000 That's awesome.

00:13:08.000 Since like, you know, early 90s, just going and cross-training.

00:13:12.000 He's from that old school.

00:13:14.000 It goes like Hicks and Gracie, Salo Hibero, Shanji, and then he's in that group.

00:13:21.000 That style of jiu-jitsu is just smush style.

00:13:25.000 Those guys have just tremendous pressure, basics.

00:13:29.000 And when I say basics, I mean like the hard, polished jiu-jitsu.

00:13:34.000 Tried and true techniques and it's like there's not like a lot of fancy crazy new-school stuff, but it's just laser sharp and just Smashing power and pressure such a big fan of that guy.

00:13:46.000 He's always talking about the pressure passing and just melting into Into him being a wet hot blanket on top of him just taking their air away making them give up and man honestly I've trained with guys like Carwin and Mir and Couture and Overeem.

00:14:01.000 And I've trained with some of the biggest heavyweights around.

00:14:05.000 And he is the only person.

00:14:07.000 And he fights at 185. He's the biggest 185er I've ever seen.

00:14:10.000 I can't imagine.

00:14:12.000 I don't know how he makes that cut, but he does it in such an incredible way.

00:14:16.000 He's the healthiest guy I've ever met.

00:14:17.000 Most disciplined athlete.

00:14:19.000 Most disciplined person I've ever been around.

00:14:21.000 Really?

00:14:21.000 In my entire life, obsessed with discipline and training.

00:14:25.000 The performance mindset or competitive mindset, the guy's the best I've ever been around.

00:14:30.000 But he is the only person to ever make me completely claustrophobic underneath.

00:14:35.000 I've never been claustrophobic underneath anyone.

00:14:37.000 And he just takes my, not in a weird way, but he takes my breath away.

00:14:45.000 He makes you want to quit.

00:14:48.000 And he's always about putting yourself in the worst position possible and becoming uncomfortable, or being comfortable being uncomfortable.

00:14:55.000 And just making yourself to where, no matter where you get put, you're going to fight out of it.

00:15:00.000 You're always just one step away from a finish.

00:15:03.000 Like you finishing them.

00:15:04.000 Even if they're about to finish you, you're just a few small steps, just inches away from getting out of there, reversing it, taking their back, you know, putting them on their back and mounting and just finishing.

00:15:15.000 And man, he's incredible.

00:15:16.000 He's the only guy that I've ever seen be able to go through like...

00:15:19.000 Ten ten minute rounds or sorry ten eight minute rounds back-to-back when he was training for the 80 cc's Wow, I mean he's just an animal no ten tens It was ten tens and I was just blown away that he could do that and we were having to rotate fresh guys on him And by the end of it,

00:15:35.000 he got tired it but that was the only time I've ever seen him tired But actually tired and so he's just an absolute animal.

00:15:42.000 It's a lifestyle for him It's honestly so incredibly Inspiring and I feel like just being around them and me doing a lot of the same things that that's what's gonna make me the Bellator heavyweight champ But like just us feeding off each other.

00:15:56.000 It's really cool dynamic But if I can be half as disciplined as he is I'll be the most disciplined heavyweight fighter there is So it's it's it's pretty amazing being around him in his mindset and how he travels the world seeking out the the top instructors and In every discipline.

00:16:13.000 I mean, he's going down to Brazil to Evolo Sautai.

00:16:20.000 That used to be...

00:16:21.000 It's kind of like...

00:16:22.000 Chuta Box.

00:16:23.000 Yeah, used to be Chuta Box.

00:16:24.000 He goes in Curitiba, right?

00:16:25.000 Yep, Curitiba.

00:16:26.000 And goes and soaks up those good vibes at the largest waterfall in the world, or one of them.

00:16:32.000 And then is just in training camp with these guys.

00:16:34.000 Does he speak Portuguese?

00:16:35.000 He does.

00:16:36.000 A lot of people mistake him as Brazilian, but his family is Spanish and he grew up in Oklahoma City.

00:16:41.000 So there's no Brazilian in him, but he speaks fluent Portuguese.

00:16:45.000 Where did he learn?

00:16:45.000 I think through Jiu Jitsu.

00:16:47.000 Through Jiu Jitsu, being around people, always trying to put himself in those situations.

00:16:51.000 And then he would go down, I think he was a 16 year old kid, and he would go down to Brazil sometimes by himself and stay for like a month or two.

00:16:57.000 I think he might have done it for four months at one time.

00:17:00.000 Wow.

00:17:01.000 So he's a really, really special individual.

00:17:04.000 He's the guy that I've never seen take a break or take off.

00:17:08.000 I mean, he competed.

00:17:09.000 He fought three times in Bellator this year, 3-0.

00:17:12.000 In between that, he had a super fight with Buchecha.

00:17:15.000 He had another grappling tournament.

00:17:17.000 He had the ADCCs.

00:17:18.000 He was just going from every two months he was competing.

00:17:21.000 Every two months, but he was staying healthy the whole time too, which blew my mind because he takes his...

00:17:26.000 We have a place called the ARC that we train at, the Athlete Recovery Center, and it's got hot and cold plunges and infrared saunas and the cryotherapy and just all sorts of stuff.

00:17:36.000 Those Norma Tech boots and our PTs there and our strength conditioning coach is right there.

00:17:41.000 So it's all in one shop.

00:17:42.000 And so right after he's done training, he's recovering where he gets there early and he's stretching out.

00:17:46.000 And so the whole warming up truly and cooling down and taking care of your body and putting the right fuel in it, eating whole foods at all times, like just not putting garbage in your body.

00:17:57.000 Man, he's going to be the Bellator middleweight champion probably pretty soon.

00:18:03.000 I think they have that maybe lined up in the next two or three fights.

00:18:06.000 I'm excited.

00:18:06.000 I'm excited to see him compete against really upper echelon guys, guys like Musashi, along those lines.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, the guy who just fought, Chris Honeycutt, was in the NCAA finals.

00:18:16.000 That was the first high-level wrestler that he's competed against.

00:18:18.000 He won every single round.

00:18:19.000 The first six fights, he finished everybody.

00:18:22.000 And so it's going to be exciting.

00:18:24.000 If there's someone watching this that hasn't watched Rafael Lovato Jr. compete, whether it's in grappling or MMA, go follow him because he's going to do it.

00:18:32.000 He's going to be a champ.

00:18:33.000 Yeah, he's a savage for sure.

00:18:35.000 What does he weigh before he makes the cut to 185?

00:18:38.000 So I don't want to put a specific number, but I think it's around 210, 215, 220, something like that.

00:18:44.000 So I know whenever he's in camp, he's trying to walk around at less than 200 when he can.

00:18:50.000 And he's about, what, 6'2"?

00:18:51.000 No, he's 6'4".

00:18:52.000 6'4"?

00:18:53.000 6'4", and he's got some of the longest reach.

00:18:55.000 Damn.

00:18:56.000 And he gets down to 185. That's crazy.

00:18:59.000 I think he's probably a size 13, 14. Pull up his Instagram, and you can see a picture of him with his shirt off.

00:19:05.000 Homeboy is fucking shredded.

00:19:07.000 Shredded, man.

00:19:08.000 He's got to be in the neighborhood of like 8 or 9% body fat.

00:19:12.000 Yeah, zero.

00:19:15.000 But just jacked and shredded.

00:19:17.000 Just as a heavyweight, I've always just envied anyone that was under 15 or whatever.

00:19:21.000 Yeah, there he is.

00:19:22.000 I mean, come on, son.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, just shredded.

00:19:25.000 And he looks down at every guy he's ever fought.

00:19:29.000 I mean, if you see other weigh-in photos, they're all looking up at him.

00:19:32.000 Like, literally, their chin's up in the air.

00:19:34.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:19:34.000 And he went through a pretty significant injury a few years back, right?

00:19:37.000 Didn't he have, like, a pec tear?

00:19:39.000 Yeah, I think it was the...

00:19:40.000 Is there a pec tendon or something like that?

00:19:42.000 Something like that.

00:19:42.000 I think it was the tendon in there that connects the shoulder and the pec and completely tore it and had to have reconstructive surgery.

00:19:50.000 And man, the guy's so disciplined.

00:19:53.000 I mean, he went through, like anyone, all of us athletes would, being bummed out a bit.

00:19:58.000 But he had this machine that was moving his arm up and down and just sitting there.

00:20:17.000 Wow.

00:20:20.000 Wow.

00:20:29.000 He's training his mind.

00:20:30.000 He's training everything for that so that he can perform at the best.

00:20:34.000 And I think that's why he competes at such a high level.

00:20:37.000 And I'm speaking about him like this, but it's all true.

00:20:40.000 It's all honest.

00:20:40.000 I'm not just trying to give the guy props.

00:20:42.000 He earned that from me, at least.

00:20:44.000 And I think you should from pretty much anyone he competes with.

00:20:47.000 Because, man, I mean, his match with Buchecha, even, was so competitive.

00:20:52.000 He could have easily won that match.

00:20:54.000 He could have won the ADCCs easily.

00:20:57.000 Buchecha's a big fellow, too.

00:20:58.000 Yeah, I know like 245 of just like yeah, just and then world-class.

00:21:03.000 Yeah.

00:21:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:04.000 I mean one the ADCC's I think four now I'm a big Lovato fan.

00:21:08.000 I think he's awesome I'm excited to say I always love when the really the highest level guys in any discipline enter into MMA You know and when you see a guy like him who's just a just jiu-jitsu phenom and now he's like, okay now I'm gonna try to take over MMA or a guy like Gokan Saki It enters into the UFC like,

00:21:26.000 oh, okay, let's see what happens when you get a real high-level guy in any discipline who enters into MMA. It's always interesting because they're such specialists.

00:21:35.000 Because most MMA fighters are pretty good at wrestling, pretty good at jiu-jitsu, pretty good at kickboxing, but not elite, like world-class, world-championship level at any different discipline.

00:21:46.000 So when you see a guy who is like Rafael Lovato, who is world-class at jiu-jitsu, like world-championship level, and then enters into MMA, it's like, ooh!

00:21:54.000 Yeah.

00:21:55.000 What you going to do when he grabs you?

00:21:56.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:21:57.000 Like Damian Maia.

00:21:59.000 That's who Raphael is.

00:22:01.000 Or Verdum.

00:22:02.000 Yeah.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:22:03.000 And something special about Raphael, you know, but anyways, he can coach it so incredibly well, too.

00:22:10.000 And that's not always the case with a lot of athletes.

00:22:13.000 I've been coached by a lot of incredible wrestlers.

00:22:16.000 Kenny Monday, Kendall Cross, they were incredible coaches.

00:22:18.000 Kale Sanderson, I've been coached on the mats by Dan Gable and some other guys.

00:22:22.000 So absolute legends.

00:22:24.000 And his coaching is also just so thorough and so exact.

00:22:28.000 And it's like you see the guy at the top right now.

00:22:33.000 Who's performing at the best and he's able to teach it at such a high level that that's why he's, you know, coached up some other grappling world champions and stuff like that.

00:22:42.000 Now his focus is on MMA. Just perfect timing.

00:22:44.000 Him and I got to train together for a full year now and taken in 2018. Both of us want to be, you know, hunting down those belts.

00:22:51.000 Did you move down to Oklahoma City specifically to train with him?

00:22:54.000 There was a few reasons, but yeah, that was one of the big ones.

00:22:58.000 I was going to regardless, because Water 4 is based out of there, and Fight for the Forgotten is underneath Water 4, and so we're partners with them, and they've taken over all the administrative stuff, and we're officially an initiative under Water 4. That's nice.

00:23:11.000 Yeah, man, it's incredible.

00:23:14.000 So stoked that they're making things just flourish.

00:23:18.000 We're going to serve over 200,000 people with clean water this year.

00:23:21.000 That's so incredible.

00:23:22.000 Yeah.

00:23:22.000 And we're doing a benefit tonight at the Comedy Store.

00:23:24.000 Yeah, it's going to be incredible.

00:23:26.000 Super pumped.

00:23:26.000 One of many.

00:23:27.000 I think we're going to start doing these all the time there.

00:23:29.000 I'm just thinking, we do shows there all the time, and most of the time we just do shows.

00:23:33.000 And I'm like, well, why shouldn't we just do shows?

00:23:35.000 A couple times a month or so, just donate all the money.

00:23:39.000 So that's what we're going to do.

00:23:40.000 Man, I'm blown away by it.

00:23:42.000 So stoked.

00:23:43.000 Well, I just found out right before we got on the podcast that there's a generous donor out of Oklahoma City, and he's going to match whatever comes in today on the website, whether that's at the Comedy Store or now, up to $10,000.

00:23:58.000 Beautiful.

00:23:59.000 So the first $10,000 will be matched, and so that first $10,000 will be doubled.

00:24:03.000 It'll turn into $20,000.

00:24:04.000 So just so stoked.

00:24:06.000 So whatever comes in through the doors, man, it can be doubled.

00:24:09.000 That's beautiful, man.

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:10.000 Well, you know, like the first time we did this, we got Bitcoin.

00:24:17.000 From people and they donated Bitcoin.

00:24:19.000 And I have that Bitcoin on my phone and I have to get it off the phone.

00:24:23.000 But that Bitcoin is now worth like $50,000.

00:24:26.000 So what I did was I took that Bitcoin, I took the cash version of it and I donated it to Waterford and then I matched it.

00:24:33.000 And now we're up to...

00:24:35.000 So all that additional money is yours too.

00:24:38.000 Like it's not mine.

00:24:38.000 Oh my gosh.

00:24:39.000 So it's yours.

00:24:40.000 So it's like...

00:24:41.000 There's an additional $45,000 in there.

00:24:43.000 Yeah.

00:24:44.000 So we got to get it off.

00:24:45.000 Get it off the phone.

00:24:46.000 But that'll go to Waterforce as well.

00:24:48.000 Oh, man.

00:24:48.000 I can't.

00:24:49.000 This isn't fake.

00:24:50.000 I can't fake this kind of smile, man.

00:24:51.000 That's so awesome.

00:24:52.000 I'm happy too, man.

00:24:52.000 Yeah.

00:24:53.000 And the thing is, do you keep it in there for a while?

00:24:56.000 Because if you keep it in there for a while, it might be worth even more.

00:24:58.000 Do you bail now?

00:24:59.000 It might go way up.

00:25:01.000 Oh, well, then we can keep it in there.

00:25:02.000 Way up.

00:25:03.000 Like, how way?

00:25:04.000 Like, speculation in the next 6 to 12 months is at least $20,000, if not $50,000.

00:25:10.000 But that's, like, way high speculation.

00:25:12.000 I'm not buying into all of that.

00:25:14.000 Well, this is what I'll do.

00:25:15.000 I'll leave it up to you guys.

00:25:17.000 We'll get the Bitcoin off the phone, and then I'll essentially leave it up to you guys when you want to pull the trigger and take the money out of it.

00:25:24.000 Okay.

00:25:25.000 Because that seems to be the right...

00:25:26.000 Well, let's get some advisors to tell us about it.

00:25:29.000 You know what?

00:25:30.000 I'm going to get Andreas Antonopoulos.

00:25:32.000 He's going to be on the podcast soon, and he's the guy who set up all this Bitcoin stuff for me in the first place.

00:25:37.000 The Bitcoins all came in as donations.

00:25:40.000 So just so anybody knows, like, because some people accused me of not donating that money to you, and I had explained to them, no, I took the Bitcoin and I just, whatever the money value of it was, then I gave that to you guys.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, you gave that, for sure.

00:25:54.000 I remember that.

00:25:55.000 But what's left...

00:25:57.000 I still, it's not mine.

00:25:59.000 It's, you know, just because I gave, I mean, I have it, but it's not mine.

00:26:03.000 It's yours.

00:26:03.000 So it's all donation.

00:26:06.000 I thought as a science project, I'm like, let's just see what happens with this shit.

00:26:10.000 I don't want to take it out.

00:26:11.000 It could have been zero.

00:26:12.000 It could have been worthless.

00:26:13.000 I also didn't want to turn it into money.

00:26:14.000 I didn't want to cash it out.

00:26:16.000 So I said, let me just give you guys whatever money it is, and I'll hold on to that, and I'll see what happens with it.

00:26:21.000 But now it's worth 50 grand.

00:26:22.000 Wow.

00:26:23.000 That's nuts.

00:26:23.000 More than that, $6.65.

00:26:25.000 Oh, Jesus!

00:26:26.000 Yeah, it keeps going up.

00:26:26.000 It's on a crazy spike right now.

00:26:28.000 Wow, now it's worth $13,000?

00:26:31.000 Holy shit.

00:26:33.000 There's like five or so coins.

00:26:35.000 That's crazy.

00:26:36.000 And I will also put out my Bitcoin address once I get it off the phone for you guys if you want to donate money.

00:26:44.000 And again, all of that money, none of it goes to me.

00:26:46.000 It's all going to go to Waterford.

00:26:47.000 It's all going to go to Fight for the Forgotten, which is...

00:26:51.000 The shirt that I'm wearing.

00:26:52.000 And that's what the benefit is tonight at the Comedy Store.

00:26:54.000 All the money is going to Fight for the Forgotten.

00:26:57.000 And you can donate, too, at...

00:27:00.000 What is the website?

00:27:01.000 It's fightfortheforgotten.org slash donate.

00:27:04.000 And if you guys haven't paid attention to any Justin's podcast before, I'll give you a brief rundown.

00:27:09.000 Justin was on The Ultimate Fighter, fought for the UFC for a while, and then found his true calling going to the Congo and building wells for the Pygmies.

00:27:20.000 And it's just...

00:27:21.000 An amazing story.

00:27:22.000 You could watch some of the podcasts.

00:27:24.000 You could watch some of the short clips on you.

00:27:26.000 And I know there's a documentary on you that's coming out soon as well.

00:27:30.000 Yeah, I think it's going to be the summer of 2018. And so thank you so much for even doing a sit-down interview on that.

00:27:35.000 My pleasure.

00:27:36.000 It's going to add a whole lot of value to the film and just give it a louder voice or a wider reach because my first promise to the Pygmies, and this was even...

00:27:45.000 So, man, I'm just so thankful for the support of this community and personally you because, man, when I first came on, we hadn't drilled any wells.

00:27:53.000 In fact, I just had Andy Bowe.

00:27:56.000 I had held him, and he's a one-and-a-half-year-old boy that I held as he passed away, and...

00:28:02.000 And it wrecked me.

00:28:03.000 It changed me.

00:28:03.000 But I knew we were going to do something with water.

00:28:05.000 I just knew it.

00:28:07.000 But my first time on the podcast, there were zero wells drilled.

00:28:09.000 I was just going to go there and live for a year, and hopefully we were going to build an incredible team.

00:28:13.000 That team is now 20 strong, full-time, 12 part-time, been able to drill 70 water wells now.

00:28:21.000 That's amazing.

00:28:21.000 70 communities have been transformed.

00:28:23.000 If that Bitcoin is 50 grand, I mean, 4,265.

00:28:28.000 He I'm not a math whiz, so I fight for a living.

00:28:33.000 But it's $4,200 transforms a community.

00:28:37.000 It helps our teams go out there and survey the land.

00:28:39.000 We have a survey team now that gets to go out and scout it out beforehand, tell our teams what tools to bring out and what obstacles to expect.

00:28:47.000 So that's a few hundred dollars, four or five hundred dollars to go survey.

00:28:51.000 Then to drill the wells around twenty seven hundred dollars and then to help the community and really teach and train them.

00:28:56.000 So we educate the locals with the knowledge on how to drill the wells.

00:28:59.000 We equip them with the tools to be able to do it.

00:29:02.000 How many of them can read?

00:29:04.000 So, of our well drillers, everyone.

00:29:07.000 Well, I think everyone can.

00:29:09.000 A lot of them have even graduated from a university with community development degrees.

00:29:14.000 I mean the people that live in the Congo.

00:29:16.000 The Mubuti Pygmies?

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:16.000 The Mubuti Pygmies, none of them.

00:29:19.000 I've met two people, I think.

00:29:21.000 There are two, maybe three, that can actually read, and they're the chiefs.

00:29:25.000 One of them is actually an incredible guy, Chief Alondo.

00:29:28.000 His grandson's Jippy, and he's going to be chief one day, and it's like my favorite little guy over there.

00:29:33.000 And Jippy's in school now, and there's a long story with that, but it's one of the first times ever the Mobuti Pygmies have ever been in school sustainably to where they can even pay their school fees.

00:29:44.000 And they can have food there because they can buy the food.

00:29:48.000 But traditionally, they don't have a written language.

00:29:50.000 They don't have a calendar, so they don't know their age.

00:29:53.000 And so they're really, really traditional hunter-gatherer society that's just incredible.

00:29:58.000 You love them.

00:29:59.000 With the bows, they're deadly.

00:30:01.000 I've seen a little boy, probably 8, 9, 10 years old, climb up a The canopy of the rainforest is well over 100 feet.

00:30:10.000 It's probably 150, 200 feet.

00:30:12.000 And seeing a guy shimmy up there, 8, 9, 10 years old, to the top.

00:30:17.000 With a bow.

00:30:18.000 With a bow hung around his neck.

00:30:20.000 And so he goes up there, and then he's sniping parrots or other kind of birds.

00:30:25.000 They eat parrots?

00:30:27.000 Anything they can find, man.

00:30:28.000 Yeah.

00:30:29.000 One thing that they do, I don't know why this popped in my mind, but if they're running and they're hunting after an antelope and a bee flies by, they're going to chase that bee to the hive because honey to them is like gold.

00:30:42.000 I mean, they love honey, having something sweet, so they'll risk their lives to climb up into the trees.

00:30:48.000 They set a fire at the bottom of the tree, let the smoke go up, and then they climb up there and they just reach in.

00:30:54.000 African bees, these are killer bees that they're reaching into the honey hive and just pulling it out and dropping it down in a basket or just plopping it down.

00:31:03.000 Just getting jacked.

00:31:04.000 Just getting jacked.

00:31:05.000 Sometimes two people go up there and one guy's purpose is just to have like a...

00:31:10.000 Twig and leaves that he's hitting the bees off of the guy reaching in.

00:31:15.000 So he's protecting them.

00:31:16.000 But then when those guys come back into the village and they have this just treasure pot of honey, the whole village celebrates their heroes.

00:31:26.000 And, you know, because they literally did risk their lives.

00:31:29.000 For their wives, for their kids, so that they could have some honey.

00:31:31.000 And they save it.

00:31:32.000 They savor it.

00:31:33.000 And it's pretty incredible.

00:31:36.000 Another thing they do is if they're on a hunt and they find a turtle, they'll actually make it look almost like the kids here that have like ninja turtle backpacks.

00:31:43.000 They'll tie a vine around the feet of the turtle and then they put it on their back and then they go back to hunting.

00:31:48.000 And if they get an animal, if they get like an antelope.

00:31:50.000 Do they kill the turtle first?

00:31:51.000 No, they just keep it alive and it's on their back.

00:31:54.000 And if they get a kill of an antelope or a wild hog or something like that, they actually let the turtle go.

00:32:00.000 Really?

00:32:01.000 Yeah.

00:32:01.000 They only take what they need.

00:32:03.000 So they respect the forest and its resources so much.

00:32:07.000 So they only keep what they need.

00:32:09.000 What a fucking tumultuous ride for that poor turtle.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:32:13.000 It's like, Jesus, I hope these motherfuckers find a pig.

00:32:16.000 But...

00:32:19.000 But if they don't, then they have food and dinner later for their kids.

00:32:23.000 And so they bring it back and they'll just cut it open and put it on the fire and boil it.

00:32:27.000 Did you eat turtle?

00:32:28.000 I have eaten turtle there.

00:32:29.000 What's it like?

00:32:30.000 It's not the best.

00:32:33.000 It's really gamey.

00:32:37.000 It's really, really chewy, the kind that I had.

00:32:39.000 And I don't know what part I had, but I've had even monkey there.

00:32:43.000 This was before.

00:32:44.000 I was there doing the Ebola breakout and everything.

00:32:47.000 But I didn't know that you get it from eating monkey.

00:32:49.000 And so they just eat monkey all the time.

00:32:53.000 I've eaten monkey several times now, probably five, six, seven times.

00:32:57.000 Wow.

00:32:57.000 What does it taste like?

00:32:59.000 It's gonna sound goofy, but it's super tender.

00:33:02.000 It was some of the best meat I've had.

00:33:04.000 The one they gave me, I think it was part of like the around the femur bone or whatever.

00:33:07.000 Does it freak you out to eat a primate?

00:33:09.000 It didn't, no.

00:33:10.000 At first, I thought it was kind of crazy.

00:33:13.000 And then after I tasted it, it was really, really good.

00:33:16.000 And so after that, I mean, it's good.

00:33:19.000 My friend Steve Rinello went to...

00:33:21.000 Where was it in South America that he went to?

00:33:27.000 I cannot remember.

00:33:28.000 But he was down there hunting with his tribe, and they prefer monkey over everything.

00:33:35.000 Oh man, it's that good.

00:33:36.000 Yeah.

00:33:36.000 I mean, that's why.

00:33:37.000 It's good.

00:33:38.000 Really good.

00:33:40.000 I'm not just saying that.

00:33:41.000 I mean, it's really good.

00:33:43.000 And they celebrate whatever monkey size they bring back, whether it's a big one or a little guy.

00:33:48.000 They're going to really celebrate because they call it the sweet meat.

00:33:51.000 What does it say he's at?

00:33:54.000 Yeah, they're eating monkeys too.

00:33:55.000 Does it say where he's at?

00:33:57.000 Bolivia?

00:33:57.000 Bolivia, that's it.

00:33:59.000 I think there's even a YouTube video.

00:34:02.000 Sometimes people can go check out on my YouTube channel of me trying monkey for the first time.

00:34:06.000 I thought they were teasing me.

00:34:07.000 And so at the end I go, no, this is chicken.

00:34:10.000 It's got to be chicken.

00:34:11.000 And they're like, no, it's monkey.

00:34:12.000 And after I got off, they walked me outside to where the monkey carcass was still there and everything.

00:34:17.000 I was like, dang, this is real.

00:34:19.000 Like, it's really, really, really good.

00:34:21.000 And I said it tastes like chicken.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, that's funny, because Ranella said it tasted like a smoked turkey leg.

00:34:26.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:34:27.000 It's like the way they cook it.

00:34:28.000 They cooked it over, like, wet leaves, over the fire.

00:34:33.000 Yeah, it's just...

00:34:35.000 So, man, it's awesome.

00:34:38.000 And we're about to get 2,000 to 3,000 more acres of land.

00:34:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:43.000 We got a monkey harvest coming in.

00:34:44.000 I hope so.

00:34:46.000 I don't think I'd be a hunter if that was all you could hunt was monkeys.

00:34:49.000 I'd be like, I think I'm going vegan.

00:34:52.000 He's a vegetarian.

00:34:53.000 Coming back here, my wife shed a tear, I think, because I ate a monkey.

00:34:57.000 Really?

00:34:58.000 Yeah.

00:34:58.000 I mean, she was like, you ate a what?

00:35:01.000 So I think she still thinks I just had one instead of five or six.

00:35:05.000 Oh, now she knows.

00:35:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:06.000 Whoops.

00:35:07.000 Actually, yeah, she does now.

00:35:08.000 Because of this.

00:35:09.000 But, man, it's such an adventure living out there.

00:35:12.000 And so to be able to empower the locals to do it for themselves is just so key.

00:35:18.000 Like, that's, I guess, the message I'm preaching is just the opportunity is greater than charity.

00:35:24.000 That's why I asked you if they could read.

00:35:26.000 If it's like, do they...

00:35:27.000 Do you give them instruction manuals, how to maintain the upkeep for wells, or how to build a new one?

00:35:34.000 So with the Pygmies, they're involved in helping us get our equipment out there.

00:35:38.000 Sometimes our hikes are from the nearest quote-unquote road, which none of us would call a road at all, and the same drive.

00:35:45.000 Some of the times the drive to the beginning of the rainforest from the airport is six hours.

00:35:52.000 The same exact drive has taken 24 hours or 48 hours.

00:35:57.000 We had to dig out like 40 cars in front of us one time because they're just stuck in the mud and to get around it.

00:36:02.000 So but once we get to the rainforest, it can take an hour, two hours, three hours to hike each way.

00:36:08.000 And so a round trip with one ton of well drilling equipment is a lot.

00:36:12.000 So the whole village helps us.

00:36:14.000 I mean, there's an incredible Swahili proverb that basically says, if you think you or if you want to go fast, go alone.

00:36:20.000 But if you want to go far, go together.

00:36:22.000 And so I think it's beautiful because they don't even let us do all the work alone.

00:36:26.000 They know that we're going to come in there and help them with something that's so precious, that's life-saving, life-giving to them.

00:36:32.000 So they all send 100 people to come help us with our equipment.

00:36:37.000 And so what used to take us days to take in takes us just that one trip.

00:36:42.000 And so they help us get it in there.

00:36:45.000 They build us huts.

00:36:45.000 So basically they build us a home, just like what they live in.

00:36:49.000 Very hospitable.

00:36:50.000 Give us our food while we're there.

00:36:51.000 They must be so happy that you showed up.

00:36:54.000 Can you imagine some big white dude from America, out of nowhere, just like, hey, I'm gonna live with you guys and make wells.

00:37:01.000 They'd be like, yeah, sure you are.

00:37:04.000 Nobody ever come down here and made a well?

00:37:06.000 Get the fuck out of here.

00:37:07.000 Meanwhile, you made 70 wells now.

00:37:09.000 They must be like, how is this possible?

00:37:11.000 Yeah, well, what I love is the heroes of this are our 32 well drillers.

00:37:16.000 We even have, now, I got to share on your podcast last time that Pacha Soap, which was inspired even by this podcast, him listening to this, working at night, the night shift, and having a dream to start up Pacha Soap, which is in Whole Foods, and they got another brand that's in Target.

00:37:30.000 It's super successful.

00:37:32.000 That's awesome.

00:37:33.000 Yeah, they're helping us buy land there in the Congo, and we're starting up a soap production facility.

00:37:39.000 So we have an essential oil press, and we're hiring the locals to be able to get all the essential oils like eucalyptus and avocado oil and palm oil and different raw materials.

00:37:49.000 Because the only thing they have available to them right now is car washing soap that's literally from China or from India.

00:37:54.000 It's just packed with chemicals.

00:37:56.000 When I used it, it left me raw.

00:37:58.000 I mean, like in pain from it.

00:38:00.000 Yeah, you're better off with no soap at all, just washing yourself with dirt.

00:38:03.000 By the way, you can do that if people don't know.

00:38:06.000 If you just take dirt, like if you're somewhere and there's no soap, just take dirt and just literally use water and mud and just wash yourself with the dirt and then rinse it all off.

00:38:17.000 You're just trying to scrub off the bullshit.

00:38:19.000 And dirt is probably better for you than antibiotic soaps.

00:38:22.000 Yeah.

00:38:23.000 For sure.

00:38:24.000 And so we're about to get 2,000 to 3,000 acres more of land.

00:38:26.000 So we have 3,000 there now.

00:38:28.000 That's awesome, man.

00:38:28.000 And it's about to be 5,000 to 6,000 acres.

00:38:31.000 What if we reach out and reach out to people?

00:38:34.000 Because I know a lot of people do like to go to places like that and teach English.

00:38:39.000 What if there was a way or what would be the language to teach that would be most beneficial for them down there?

00:38:44.000 So language-wise is really tough because there's over 200 spoken languages in Congo.

00:38:50.000 Over 200. And so there's five national languages.

00:38:53.000 The government and schools and hospitals is French.

00:38:57.000 It was colonized by Belgium.

00:38:59.000 And that's a nut story.

00:39:02.000 But then they also speak Swahili in the east.

00:39:06.000 They speak Lingala in the west.

00:39:09.000 They speak Bannacongo.

00:39:11.000 And there's one more that I'm missing.

00:39:13.000 When you talk to them, what do you talk to them with?

00:39:15.000 So I have very, very broken Swahili.

00:39:18.000 Very, very broken Swahili.

00:39:19.000 But the Swahili they speak there, it's mixed with a little bit of French and also the local language.

00:39:28.000 So you've got to truly live there.

00:39:31.000 And over the last six years, I've been there for about maybe a year, And seven, eight, year, nine months, boots on the ground, a year at one time.

00:39:40.000 And then, man, but the saying about Swahili is that it was born in Tanzania, it got sick in Kenya, it died in Uganda, and they took it to the Congo to bury it.

00:39:50.000 Because they can't communicate with anyone in Uganda.

00:39:53.000 I mean, not truly communicate, get their point across.

00:39:57.000 What I meant by teaching them English is teaching them how to read.

00:40:01.000 I just think that if you could somehow or another teach them some language where they could read and write things down, you could just keep this thing going with them while they're there.

00:40:12.000 What I think is really cool is now, We've got this video up on YouTube.

00:40:19.000 It's Chief Leo May's transformation.

00:40:21.000 And so Chief Leo May, in his village, it was just an incredible transformation.

00:40:25.000 They had never owned land of their own, but Chief Leo May remembered his grandfather used to actually take him to hunt on that land that they now own.

00:40:33.000 And so now it's theirs and his grandson is going to be able to say, you know, this was my grandfather's land, just like he's able to say, you know, I used to hunt with my grandfather here.

00:40:42.000 But so from the land that they have, they have land, water and food there.

00:40:46.000 They have about 500 acres, I believe.

00:40:48.000 And so then they have their own water and now they've grown so many banana trees there.

00:40:53.000 They used to get paid one to two bananas a day for labor.

00:40:57.000 From sunup to sundown, a banana or two a day.

00:41:00.000 Now they have hundreds and hundreds of banana trees.

00:41:02.000 I mean, probably five, six hundred banana trees in that one village.

00:41:06.000 And from that, they're able to go sell it.

00:41:08.000 When they sell it, they can buy their own clothes for the first time.

00:41:10.000 They can now pay school fees so that they can actually go to the local school and learn to read and write.

00:41:17.000 It's a little bit of a hike for them.

00:41:18.000 But they can go learn and read and write.

00:41:20.000 And so it's the first time that, I mean, it could even create an opportunity for the Mabuti Pygmies to have representation at their version of Congress in the Congo for the first time ever.

00:41:31.000 There's over 200 tribes represented there.

00:41:33.000 The only one not represented is the Mabuti Pygmies.

00:41:36.000 And so to get them educated, the excuse used to be from the government was they're not really people.

00:41:42.000 They're part man, part animal.

00:41:44.000 That was the government saying that, I think, in the early 2000s.

00:41:48.000 Maybe the late 90s, but early 2000s, they're saying they're half man, half animal, that they'll never have representation.

00:41:54.000 But now it's started to shift to where we even have a governor, the governor of the largest state in Congo, sponsoring everything we do, you know, endorsing it, saying, hey, you have free range of the Eturi region, and we want you to drill here, and we want you to drill there.

00:42:08.000 And so he's actually come on our side and said, the work you guys are doing is really great because it's through the locals.

00:42:13.000 It's locally led.

00:42:14.000 And so to have that opportunity once some of the Mubuti Pygmies are educated, have a high school education, maybe we can get them to a local university there or right next door, maybe in Uganda, Rwanda, Kenya, then they can go back and they can actually start representing themselves.

00:42:30.000 Because now they say if they're educated, then we can, but none of them are educated.

00:42:34.000 So it would draw out the process longer.

00:42:36.000 But now they're, you know, the next generation will be.

00:42:39.000 And that's what's inspired you also to get back into MMA again.

00:42:42.000 And that inspired you to sign up with Bellator.

00:42:45.000 And since then you've had three fights?

00:42:47.000 Three fights.

00:42:47.000 And won all three.

00:42:48.000 Yep.

00:42:49.000 And now you're one of the top Bellator heavyweight contenders.

00:42:52.000 Yeah.

00:42:52.000 It's kind of crazy because when we first talked...

00:42:55.000 You hadn't fought in a long time.

00:42:58.000 Five years, two months.

00:43:00.000 Yeah, and you weren't training.

00:43:00.000 You were just kind of like going back and forth to the Congo.

00:43:06.000 That had to be a crazy thing to just get back into it after all that time out.

00:43:11.000 It was the hardest thing I've ever done, physically at least.

00:43:14.000 I'm sure, to get yourself back in that kind of shape?

00:43:17.000 In between my first and second fight back, I had malaria again, and that was my third time to have that.

00:43:22.000 He's got malaria three times, folks, by the way.

00:43:24.000 Yeah, and so that time I got malaria while I was there.

00:43:27.000 Because it was so bad, I broke out in shingles, which, you know, being 30, just now turning 30, so then I was like 28 or 29. To have shingles, the doctor was like, you're too young for this.

00:43:38.000 And my body was just that stressed out.

00:43:39.000 Too young for shingles?

00:43:40.000 I've heard people getting shingles.

00:43:42.000 Well, I guess normally, that might be like infantile or metherpes, something like that.

00:43:48.000 But they did the culture or whatever, and it was shingles.

00:43:51.000 It's supposed to be an older generation thing, I think.

00:43:54.000 No kidding, I didn't know shingles.

00:43:56.000 I think they say it starts like 40 and beyond.

00:43:59.000 Is it a compromised immune issue?

00:44:00.000 Is that what it is, the idea?

00:44:03.000 It's actually chicken pox coming back out in your body.

00:44:06.000 So if you haven't had chicken pox, you can't have shingles.

00:44:08.000 And so it's like it lays dormant in your body, and then once you get into older age or your immune system is compromised, then shingles can reappear.

00:44:16.000 Whoa!

00:44:16.000 That is the most fucked up thing about the human body, that it harbors these bacterias, and they sit there waiting, just waiting, biding my time to fuck up your life!

00:44:26.000 Yeah.

00:44:26.000 Waiting!

00:44:28.000 Yeah, and so then I had, oh man, dude, I had that, then I had shingles, and then I came back, and for a month or two months, the doctors were trying to figure out what was wrong with me because I was clear of malaria, but the CDC did two tests on me for malaria again, but they found out I had dengue fever.

00:44:44.000 Jesus Christ.

00:44:45.000 Every night I was going to sleep, I was waking up, and that was probably...

00:44:48.000 Did you tell them you ate a monkey?

00:44:50.000 I did.

00:44:52.000 Did they look at you like sideways?

00:44:54.000 They wanted to do the quarantine thing on me.

00:44:57.000 Oh boy.

00:44:58.000 But it had been over three months since Ebola had broken out and it had been three months since I've been back.

00:45:05.000 What happened to Ebola?

00:45:06.000 Ebola was like gonna kill us all just like a year ago.

00:45:08.000 Remember?

00:45:09.000 Everybody's freaking out.

00:45:10.000 That one lady who's a nurse who wouldn't be quarantined.

00:45:13.000 She's like, fuck you, I'm going outside.

00:45:14.000 Like, no, she's gonna kill us all, you selfish bitch.

00:45:18.000 So, so Ebola was actually discovered in Congo.

00:45:21.000 There's a river called the Ebola River.

00:45:23.000 Oh, great.

00:45:23.000 And so that's, that's where it was discovered.

00:45:25.000 And it actually came back, it broke out since the big crazy one, it broke out, and I think it was like less than 100 people.

00:45:31.000 It might have been like 10 or less.

00:45:33.000 And so they really were able to contain it, which is impressive to be able to do in Congo, because it's not as organized as anywhere else.

00:45:41.000 But yeah, so, man, but on the MMA journey back, it was really, really tough.

00:45:46.000 I mean, the muscle memory just was not there.

00:45:50.000 I had lost the wrestling I grew up with, and the cardio obviously wasn't there after five years off.

00:45:57.000 But the sicknesses, other things, my body was healed, the muscles and joints and stuff.

00:46:03.000 Ligaments and all that I think I felt better than ever there.

00:46:06.000 It was just the muscle memory wasn't coming back and The cardio was really tough and I had to shed some weight Yeah, the muscles get healthy the muscles and the cartilage and the joints everything that they probably benefited from all that time off, right?

00:46:19.000 I think so a lot because so many guys get by the time you're 30 I mean how many MMA fighters are just have like really huge injuries by the time they're 30 31 years old It's pretty common Yeah, I started fighting at 19 years old, professionally, MMA. And I was always the young guy in the heavyweight division.

00:46:38.000 And so now, just turning 30, I feel like I've got a lot of miles left on me having those five years off.

00:46:45.000 A lot of life experience too, right?

00:46:47.000 Yeah.

00:46:47.000 And I honestly think a lot of people are like, oh, so you took off and that's probably impossible.

00:46:52.000 For me, it was a whole other kind of training.

00:46:55.000 I mean, kind of like I was talking about Raphael and being comfortable being uncomfortable.

00:46:59.000 I mean, I've slept in the mud, woke up in the mud at least, slept on the dirt, woke up in the mud because the rain came so hard and sleeping under twig and leaf huts on the dirt.

00:47:08.000 No mattress underneath you, no anything.

00:47:11.000 And so...

00:47:13.000 I mean, to have that, to battle through the sicknesses, to see what they suffer from and how they dig deep on a daily basis, they're in survival mode, and to see the battles they fight, and then to have You know,

00:47:29.000 32 of my heroes there that have drilled 70 wells that whenever a bridge collapses because a truck is illegally logging and they overloaded their weight and they just collapsed this 1930s bridge.

00:47:41.000 And then I think, oh, it's going to be impossible.

00:47:43.000 And then they get out of the truck.

00:47:45.000 They start walking through the water with all our well drilling equipment.

00:47:49.000 And we're going to find another way.

00:47:51.000 We're going to get...

00:47:53.000 Taxi motorcycles to ride in everything we needed this big truck to carry in.

00:47:58.000 And so it's going to take a lot longer.

00:48:00.000 It's going to be a lot harder, but we're going to get it done.

00:48:01.000 We're going to win this fight.

00:48:02.000 So you feel like that was a training sort of tool for you?

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:06.000 I mean, I'm not going to say this, or I don't want to compare it to this, but it's almost like it was a life experience and kind of like some of our Navy guys, Navy SEALs, where they do the special forces training.

00:48:18.000 I think this was my version of like kind of special training for me as a fighter.

00:48:23.000 It enlarged my heart or deepened the well of who I am.

00:48:28.000 And so I think I just have more of a motivation to go in there and win.

00:48:33.000 It feels like your submission game has really come up a lot now.

00:48:37.000 Yeah.

00:48:37.000 I have the wrestling and now my submission game is on point.

00:48:41.000 You're a blue belt now under Lovato.

00:48:43.000 Nice.

00:48:44.000 Yeah, and I wanted to do it the right way.

00:48:48.000 I wanted to do it the way that every other student does it.

00:48:51.000 And so it was really cool to get that.

00:48:53.000 I didn't know that that would mean so much to me, but it really did.

00:48:57.000 Crazy, right?

00:49:05.000 Is a milestone in my martial arts journey.

00:49:07.000 That's why it's so good for kids.

00:49:08.000 Martial arts are so good for kids because it gives them the tangible representation of their hard work.

00:49:13.000 Like you give them a belt and they tie on that belt and they have this giant smile on my face.

00:49:17.000 You know, when my kids take martial arts and when they get a new belt, they have this giant smile on their face.

00:49:22.000 They're so happy and they jump around.

00:49:24.000 They look at it.

00:49:25.000 They want to wear it home and squeeze it.

00:49:27.000 Yeah, me too, man.

00:49:28.000 I remember when I got my blue belt.

00:49:29.000 I was like, holy shit, I'm not a white belt anymore.

00:49:32.000 Yes!

00:49:33.000 Yeah.

00:49:33.000 You know, you feel like I made it over the hump.

00:49:35.000 And what they say is if you can make it to purple belt, you can make it to black belt.

00:49:39.000 The blue belt is like you're just working hard.

00:49:42.000 If you work hard, you get there.

00:49:43.000 Hey, you know, you're not at white belt anymore.

00:49:47.000 But if you can get to purple belt, like, hey, man, just keep going and you can be a black belt.

00:49:52.000 Yeah, in Lovato's School of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, it says, a black belt is a white belt who never quit.

00:49:58.000 Yeah, that's a great quote.

00:50:00.000 I've heard that before.

00:50:01.000 Yeah, I like it, man.

00:50:02.000 It's an interesting time now for Jiu-Jitsu and MMA. It really is, because you're seeing some guys like this weekend, Brian Ortiz...

00:50:14.000 Ortega, rather.

00:50:15.000 Brian Ortega is fighting Cub Swanson.

00:50:18.000 And Brian Ortega...

00:50:19.000 I'm trying to remember his nickname.

00:50:21.000 T-City.

00:50:22.000 Triangle City.

00:50:23.000 He's got one of the best guards in MMA. And Ortega is fucking nasty off of his back.

00:50:29.000 I mean, he's just...

00:50:30.000 He's so good.

00:50:32.000 Do you think he lulls them to sleep with his baby blue eyes?

00:50:35.000 He's a beautiful face.

00:50:37.000 His long, flowing locks, just like you.

00:50:39.000 Yeah, so Brian is, in my opinion, probably the best guy in the division off of his back.

00:50:46.000 I don't think there's anybody that could fuck with him at 145. Especially now that Charles Oliveira has moved up to 55. I think he's the best at 45. His fucking submission game is so lightning fast and just...

00:51:00.000 Tight as can be.

00:51:01.000 But Cub Swanson's a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, too.

00:51:04.000 And Cub is a nasty striker, too, and super unorthodox, like real weird.

00:51:09.000 But Bryan is a fucking great striker, too, and Bryan is un-mother-fucking-defeated.

00:51:14.000 12-0.

00:51:19.000 That's an interesting fight.

00:51:21.000 Fuck yeah it is.

00:51:22.000 It's a real crossroads fight in a lot of ways.

00:51:27.000 Because Cub is at the top of the heap in the 145 pound division.

00:51:30.000 He's lost to some of the big guys like Max Holloway.

00:51:33.000 He lost to Frankie Edgar.

00:51:35.000 But he's still...

00:51:36.000 Really respected and thought of as one of the top guys in the division and Ortega being this young prodigy at 12-0 has this opportunity now to fight one of the most crafty veterans in the division.

00:51:49.000 I like it.

00:51:50.000 Sounds like a similar opportunity that Nagano just had, that Francis just had, you know, to be that young lion, to come up and Throw in a guy and really announce himself as one of the top contenders.

00:51:59.000 Ortega can submit anybody in the world.

00:52:01.000 I really believe that.

00:52:02.000 And he'll box with you, too.

00:52:04.000 The thing about Ortega is, like, he'll make it seem like there's no intention whatsoever to go to the ground.

00:52:10.000 And then sometimes he boxes guys up, and then when they want to take him to the ground because they don't like the stand-up, that's when they're Foxville.

00:52:16.000 He's got an interesting strategy in that regard, because in the last fight, I was thinking, like, wow, this is kind of interesting.

00:52:21.000 We're in the third round, and he still has not tried to submit this guy.

00:52:25.000 Like, that's his game.

00:52:26.000 And then, boom, they go to the ground, and he instantly catches them with a guillotine.

00:52:29.000 But the reason they went to the ground, his opponent took him down because he didn't like the stand-up.

00:52:33.000 That's smart.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, so his...

00:52:35.000 That's strategy.

00:52:35.000 His stand-up keeps coming up higher and higher and higher, but when it comes to jiu-jitsu, he's one of the very best in the sport.

00:52:42.000 He's really good.

00:52:43.000 How far away is he from here, where he trains?

00:52:45.000 He's close.

00:52:46.000 He's in Black House.

00:52:47.000 Black House is in Compton, or that area.

00:52:50.000 So I don't know if it's exactly Compton.

00:52:52.000 It's Compton adjacent.

00:52:54.000 So there's that.

00:52:56.000 Go to the 219 card.

00:52:58.000 Oh, you know what?

00:52:59.000 Go to the fucking Fox card.

00:53:02.000 That's a big one.

00:53:04.000 That is...

00:53:06.000 Yeah, that one right there.

00:53:07.000 Oh man, I love that fight.

00:53:09.000 Robbie Lauer, Rafael dos Anjos.

00:53:11.000 Good, good, good.

00:53:11.000 Lightweight and well-to-weight champ.

00:53:13.000 Yeah, man, that is fucking interesting.

00:53:17.000 He's been doing so great, man.

00:53:19.000 Yeah, like Lovato.

00:53:21.000 I mean, Dos Anjos, what he's done in going up from 155 to 170, it was like, well, he was the champ, but he lost to Eddie Alvarez.

00:53:31.000 Well, let's see how he does at 170. Looks weird.

00:53:33.000 Way better.

00:53:34.000 I mean, he's steamrolling people.

00:53:36.000 The way he fucked up Neil Magny, like kicked him to the ground, took him to the ground, smushed him.

00:53:40.000 I mean, he beat Tarek Safedine in a stand-up fight, which is like, wow.

00:53:45.000 Safedine is a world-class striker.

00:53:47.000 Yeah, Neil's a buddy of mine, and he is an absolute monster.

00:53:50.000 And to have seen that fight, I mean, Rafael Desanos looks incredible at this weight.

00:53:54.000 Yeah, it's very interesting because I think he's supposed to be at 170 all along.

00:53:59.000 It's not like he's a big 155-er that's made it up to 170, but he's kind of small at 170. No.

00:54:05.000 He looks like a 170. And, of course, he's fighting one of the best 170s ever in the former champ, Robbie Lawler.

00:54:12.000 So that should be a perfect fight for Fox.

00:54:16.000 Because, you know, just for fun.

00:54:19.000 I mean, it's going to be a chaotic fight.

00:54:21.000 There's never been a goddamn boring Robbie Lawler fight ever.

00:54:24.000 Yeah.

00:54:25.000 You know?

00:54:25.000 He doesn't even know how to have a boring fight.

00:54:27.000 Very, very, very true.

00:54:28.000 What do you think of the Lamas fight?

00:54:30.000 I like it, but Lamas was obviously training for Aldo.

00:54:35.000 Right.

00:54:35.000 And so, you know, he gets this change of guard.

00:54:39.000 Now he's fighting Josh Emmett, who's a tough customer.

00:54:42.000 And Emmett, a lot of people don't know him, but he's 12-1.

00:54:45.000 Right.

00:54:46.000 It's a good fight.

00:54:46.000 Very good fight.

00:54:48.000 I'm excited to see how that goes out.

00:54:49.000 Yeah.

00:54:50.000 I'm excited about that, but I'm also excited about the Ponzinobio-Mike Perry fight.

00:54:55.000 I almost want this fight to just happen so Darren Till can fight Mike Perry.

00:55:02.000 I'm almost rooting for Mike Perry just so he can get out of it and they can make that Darren Till-Mike Perry fight.

00:55:08.000 Because if they do decide to make that...

00:55:09.000 Because I know they tried to make Mike Perry versus Wonderboy.

00:55:13.000 And Dana even announced it.

00:55:15.000 And Wonderboy was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, slow the fuck down.

00:55:19.000 Like, the guy had one fight in the UFC. I just fought for the title twice.

00:55:22.000 And then beat Jorge Masvidal.

00:55:27.000 Right.

00:55:27.000 And then you're going to have me fight this guy, like, right away?

00:55:31.000 Like, this is crazy.

00:55:32.000 And by the way, my thumbs hurt.

00:55:34.000 He had, like, injuries in his thumbs.

00:55:36.000 He was talking about after the fight that he fucked up the tendons in his thumbs when I was interviewing him.

00:55:41.000 He's like, something happened in my hand.

00:55:42.000 I thought I broke it.

00:55:43.000 I'm not sure.

00:55:44.000 So he's got a lot of rest to go through.

00:55:47.000 So Darren Till's looking for an opponent.

00:55:51.000 And they were talking about Darren Till vs.

00:55:53.000 Kamaru Usman, which is very exciting as well.

00:55:56.000 Because Kamaru Usman, who's slated...

00:55:58.000 Go to UFC 219. Usman is slated to fight against Meek Mill.

00:56:04.000 I've known him since we were 15. Usman.

00:56:07.000 We grew up wrestling together.

00:56:09.000 Emile Meek.

00:56:10.000 Meek Mill's a rapper.

00:56:11.000 Meek Mill's a rapper.

00:56:12.000 Right.

00:56:12.000 Yeah, what the fuck's wrong with me?

00:56:14.000 Emile Meek, who is the crazy Viking motherfucker.

00:56:19.000 In high school, people called Usman U.S. man for some reason.

00:56:23.000 Why?

00:56:24.000 Just because of the way it's spelled?

00:56:25.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 He's a terrifying guy.

00:56:27.000 He is.

00:56:27.000 He's one of the most terrifying guys in the sport.

00:56:30.000 What I love seeing is, I think in high school, our senior year, I think he graduated, or sorry, I think he finished his senior year fourth in the state of Texas.

00:56:39.000 So, number four in wrestling.

00:56:42.000 And then he went on to UNK or Nebraska Kearney.

00:56:47.000 Well, he never fought Meek Mill.

00:56:52.000 Emile Meek is a scary guy.

00:56:54.000 Yeah.

00:56:54.000 And was really looking forward to this fight.

00:56:56.000 And then there was some talk of the fight night taking place because Emile couldn't get his visa sorted out.

00:57:02.000 But then he got it sorted out.

00:57:03.000 And Kamaru Usman was saying, hey, you know, I've already moved on.

00:57:06.000 Hmm.

00:57:07.000 And then, so, lately, Emil Meek's Instagram and his Twitter has been calling Kamaru Usman a chicken and saying he's ducking him and all kinds of crazy shit.

00:57:17.000 So, I do not know if this is official.

00:57:20.000 I'm hoping this is official because someone needs to challenge Usman.

00:57:24.000 I think Usman is one of the most dangerous and scary guys in the division and he's not being talked about.

00:57:29.000 Someone in the top ten that he's earned that spot, I think.

00:57:31.000 I believe so, too.

00:57:32.000 There's so many tough guys in that division that he's sort of Kind of been overlooked in my opinion and to me when I watch him fight I'm like Jesus Christ this guy's a handful for everybody I think Usman is just He's got all the tools.

00:57:48.000 He's in his prime.

00:57:50.000 He's fucking super dangerous everywhere super dangerous standing up smashes people in the ground Really fucking strong for the division.

00:57:58.000 Top game, out of control.

00:58:00.000 You know, we don't know what happens when he gets put on his back.

00:58:02.000 We don't know what happens if he gets tagged, if he fights a world-class striker that could stand up.

00:58:07.000 But what Emile Meek brings to the table is nasty power and a real warrior spirit.

00:58:17.000 Yeah.

00:58:18.000 Valhalla.

00:58:19.000 Yeah.

00:58:19.000 He came into the UFC after a KO victory over Husamar Pajares.

00:58:23.000 I remember that.

00:58:24.000 Yeah.

00:58:24.000 I remember I watched that and I was like, get this guy in the UFC. Please.

00:58:28.000 Yeah.

00:58:29.000 He's a fucking animal.

00:58:30.000 And the thing is, everybody's running away from Kamaru Usman except Emil Meek.

00:58:37.000 And maybe Meek Mill.

00:58:38.000 We haven't asked him.

00:58:39.000 Yeah.

00:58:40.000 He said Colby Covington's talking to him too right now.

00:58:43.000 Oh, Kamaru Usman said that?

00:58:45.000 Yeah.

00:58:45.000 Of course he is.

00:58:47.000 Everybody's ducking him.

00:58:48.000 But also, Colby would be wise because Colby's made so much noise after beating Damian Maia.

00:58:55.000 He's trying to get a fight with Tyron Woodley.

00:58:57.000 He's trying to promote himself.

00:58:59.000 And the worst way to promote yourself is to fight Kamaru Usman.

00:59:04.000 But Emile Meek is like, get me in there, bitch.

00:59:07.000 Let's do it.

00:59:07.000 So I sincerely hope that this fight actually takes place because I think it's a fucking wicked, wicked fight.

00:59:15.000 And I want to see if Emile has any answers.

00:59:20.000 For the problems that Kamaru Usman brings to the octagon because no one has so far and I mean he's got one loss in his record I do not know if that was in the UFC or outside the UFC But in the last few fights we've seen him since he's won the ultimate fighter.

00:59:33.000 He's just been unstoppable But again not getting the credit that he deserves Yeah, it's all all of his fights inside the octagon seemed to be all victories He's one of the most naturally athletic guys that I've ever known.

00:59:47.000 That's what I meant by growing up wrestling with him.

00:59:49.000 He started wrestling in high school and finished fourth in the state.

00:59:52.000 But then he went on to the NCAA's division two and just won two, I think two national titles or maybe three.

00:59:56.000 And he's a stud.

00:59:58.000 Well, the big fight for me on this card is not just the title fight between Cyborg and Holly Holm, but yeah, that one.

01:00:04.000 Khabib Nurmagomedov versus Edson Barboza.

01:00:07.000 Come on, son.

01:00:08.000 Number two and number three.

01:00:11.000 In the lightweight division, which is the most stacked division, I think.

01:00:16.000 It's like lightweight and welterweight are the two most stacked divisions.

01:00:19.000 But it's hard to pick which one is most stacked, but Jesus Christ, I like this fight.

01:00:25.000 I like this fight a lot.

01:00:27.000 Apparently, Nurmagomedov has a new, according to Daniel Cormier, he told me Nurmagomedov has a new conditioning guy, or a new dietitian guy, a new nutrition guy.

01:00:36.000 Less dessert.

01:00:37.000 No tiramisu.

01:00:38.000 He's backing off the tiramisu.

01:00:40.000 He's got him on a very strict diet plan, and he's far lighter than he's ever been.

01:00:46.000 And we're headed into this fight.

01:00:47.000 This fight is in, what, two weeks now?

01:00:49.000 The 30th?

01:00:50.000 And today is...

01:00:51.000 Three weeks away.

01:00:52.000 Three weeks away.

01:00:54.000 So, very exciting.

01:00:55.000 Very interesting.

01:00:57.000 I'm fucking pumped for that fight because Barbosa is one of the best strikers in the division for sure and Khabib can't do anything wrong on the feet because Edson can light him up for sure.

01:01:10.000 I mean this is the best striker for sure the best striker that Khabib has fought.

01:01:15.000 He fought Michael Johnson who's a good striker Michael Johnson caught him and tagged him and had him rocked.

01:01:21.000 It was the first time we saw any adversity whatsoever Any real a real struggle for Khabib, but he went on to dominate that fight He took him to the ground just beat the shit out of him and he's 24 and oh, which is unprecedented You know 24 and oh and just been steamroll in everybody So he's only like 30 right 29 30 something like that.

01:01:42.000 I I do not know his age, but I feel like he's not even in his prime yet.

01:01:47.000 What does it say here?

01:01:48.000 29. Yeah, I mean, he's like right at the door of his athletic prime.

01:01:53.000 If he can stay healthy, I know he's had a bunch of injuries, but if he can get healthy and stay healthy, man, it's going to be scary seeing what he does.

01:01:59.000 Yeah, for Barboza, it's all about just keeping the fight standing.

01:02:03.000 And Barboza has wicked leg kicks.

01:02:05.000 He's the only guy in the UFC that stopped two guys with leg kicks.

01:02:11.000 He stopped Rafael Oliveira with leg kicks and Mike Lulo.

01:02:17.000 Both those guys he stopped with leg kicks.

01:02:19.000 How do I remember that?

01:02:20.000 I don't know.

01:02:21.000 But his leg kicks are amongst the fastest I've ever seen in any division.

01:02:26.000 His switch kick?

01:02:27.000 Fastest switch kick I've ever seen.

01:02:29.000 It's fucking ridiculous.

01:02:30.000 When he lights it up, like off that left leg, you're like, Jesus!

01:02:35.000 It's like he's getting there with half the time that most world-class fighters get there with that kick.

01:02:42.000 So that's interesting.

01:02:44.000 Yeah, that spinning heel kick is as fast as most people's just normal head kick.

01:02:49.000 Yeah, his spinning shit's out of control.

01:02:50.000 He's just a ridiculous striker.

01:02:53.000 But it's all about Nurmagomedov getting him to the ground.

01:02:56.000 The question is, is he going to be able to stuff the takedown?

01:02:58.000 What's the strategy they have for this guy on the feet?

01:03:00.000 Are they going to have him open up and possibly give up that takedown?

01:03:03.000 Or are they going to have him cautious and just throwing punches and just constantly worry about the takedown defense?

01:03:08.000 Because Nurmagomedov, he has been unchallenged when it comes to the grappling.

01:03:14.000 He's so goddamn strong.

01:03:15.000 It's crazy.

01:03:16.000 He's dominant.

01:03:16.000 Well, even guys like Dos Anjos, who's a black belt in jujitsu, usually puts the smush on people.

01:03:20.000 You know, Nurmagomedov puts the smush on him.

01:03:23.000 He gets guys to break, too.

01:03:24.000 Like, you see it in their face.

01:03:26.000 They're like, fuck, I can't do anything against this guy.

01:03:28.000 Yeah, he grew up doing it to bears, so that's why.

01:03:30.000 For real, like, legitimately.

01:03:32.000 Yeah.

01:03:33.000 My wife didn't believe that, so I had to pull it up and show her.

01:03:35.000 And she's like, what are they doing to him?

01:03:37.000 Like, why?

01:03:37.000 That's a baby.

01:03:38.000 Why did I make that baby fight a bear?

01:03:40.000 He was like six, seven, eight years old, and a bear's just biting him in the arm.

01:03:44.000 Yeah, Jimmy Rivera versus John Lineker.

01:03:47.000 That's a fucking great fight, too.

01:03:49.000 That's up in the right-hand corner there.

01:03:50.000 Woo!

01:03:52.000 That's a good fight.

01:03:54.000 That's a real good fight.

01:03:55.000 Jimmy Rivera has looked insanely good at 135, especially that victory over Uriah Faber.

01:04:01.000 I was super impressed with that.

01:04:03.000 I was like, wow, this guy is for real.

01:04:06.000 I knew it was for real before, but...

01:04:09.000 Rivera was supposed to be fighting Dominick Cruz, but Dominick Cruz broke his arm in training.

01:04:14.000 And so now he's fighting John Lineker, who's a scary fucking guy at 135. Yeah, I like this a lot for Jimmy because you can just hear every interview he does, he's just hungry.

01:04:24.000 Hungry for the chance to be world champ.

01:04:27.000 Yeah.

01:04:27.000 So it's exciting to see this fight happening.

01:04:30.000 I like it too, and there's interesting, T.J. Dillshaw just shut John Lineker down.

01:04:35.000 I mean, completely shut down his offense.

01:04:37.000 It was beautiful.

01:04:39.000 Beautiful.

01:04:40.000 Beautiful.

01:04:41.000 I mean, it was a perfect example of how you play the matador.

01:04:45.000 Like a technical matador.

01:04:48.000 I mean, that was one of his finest performances.

01:04:50.000 Because Lineker is fucking terrifying.

01:04:53.000 Like, everybody's in a war with Lineker.

01:04:55.000 You know, like Ian McCall, like everybody who fights Lineker winds up being in his goddamn war.

01:05:01.000 So many guys, they get in there with him, and they get hit by him, and you just see it on their face, like Jesus Christ.

01:05:08.000 He's one of the few guys that actually earned that nickname, Hands of Stone.

01:05:12.000 Yeah, Francisco Rivera, like so many guys, he's fought, he cracks them, and you just see the look in their eyes, like, oh Christ.

01:05:21.000 He beat Marlon Vera, which is a very good fight.

01:05:29.000 The T.J. Dillashaw loss, I think, was the most telling because T.J. Dillashaw figured out a way how to solve that puzzle when John Dodson couldn't, which was really interesting.

01:05:40.000 John Dodson lost to Lineker when Dodson was thought to be one of the best guys in the division at 135, and he lost to him with a split decision.

01:05:47.000 He fucked up Michael McDonald in the fight before that.

01:05:51.000 He's just something special, man.

01:05:53.000 He really is.

01:05:55.000 He's a tank of a guy.

01:05:58.000 But I really honestly believe that Jimmy Rivera is world class.

01:06:03.000 And I think this is a good opportunity for him.

01:06:06.000 To fight against a big scary tank of a guy in John Lineker and show his talent and his ability.

01:06:15.000 I think it's a real test.

01:06:17.000 I'm really interested to see how this works out.

01:06:20.000 Because Rivera's not like an elusive T.J. Dillshaw type guy.

01:06:25.000 He's an attacker.

01:06:26.000 So what is he going to do with Lineker?

01:06:29.000 Is he going to chop the legs?

01:06:30.000 Is he going to attack from below like he did with Uriah?

01:06:32.000 He fucked Uriah's leg up real early in that fight to the point where it really limited Uriah's mobility.

01:06:39.000 That's an interesting fight.

01:06:41.000 I like that fight a lot.

01:06:42.000 Carlos Condit returns.

01:06:43.000 Yeah, against Magny.

01:06:45.000 Dun, dun, dun.

01:06:47.000 That's interesting, too.

01:06:49.000 Carlos has been out for quite a long time.

01:06:50.000 I want to say two years.

01:06:52.000 Yeah.

01:06:52.000 Click on his thing.

01:06:53.000 Let's find out when his last fight was.

01:06:55.000 I want to say it was about two years ago.

01:06:59.000 Didn't he...

01:06:59.000 He lost to Damian Maia.

01:07:01.000 Didn't he stop and say that he was talking about retirement, or he was retiring then?

01:07:04.000 Yes.

01:07:05.000 Yeah, okay.

01:07:06.000 August 2016, so not quite that long ago.

01:07:09.000 Yeah.

01:07:10.000 And then before that, he lost the Robbie Lawler fight, which was a crazy five-round war, and he lost a split decision.

01:07:18.000 Beat Tiago and lost to Tyron, so, I mean, those...

01:07:21.000 The victory over Tiago was phenomenal.

01:07:23.000 He caught him with that elbow.

01:07:25.000 Yeah, that's murder's row of his last opponents, man.

01:07:27.000 Yeah, and Tyron Woodley lost was by injury.

01:07:30.000 It says KO, TKO, but the reality is Tyron hit him with a brutal leg kick, and his knee blew out.

01:07:36.000 Yeah, remember?

01:07:37.000 Yeah.

01:07:37.000 Which is, you know, I mean apparently he had heard it before, but the power that Tyron Woodley has in his fucking leg kicks, like Christ.

01:07:45.000 Tyron Woodley had some choice words about Colby Covington too.

01:07:48.000 You know, he was, you know, talking about Colby like campaigning hard to get the fight and talking all kinds of crazy shit about him.

01:07:54.000 But Tyron was saying like this, first of all, everything he's saying about our training sessions is 100% bullshit.

01:08:00.000 And he's like, when I get that dude in the octagon, if he ever does, get that shot.

01:08:04.000 He goes, I'm going to fuck him up.

01:08:09.000 Colby Covington is never going to fight again after he faces me.

01:08:12.000 That's what he said.

01:08:13.000 We were talking before the weigh-ins.

01:08:16.000 We were standing around the octagon before the weigh-ins, this past UFC in Detroit.

01:08:21.000 And he was shaking his head.

01:08:23.000 He's like, I am going to fuck that dude up.

01:08:25.000 He's like, he does not understand.

01:08:27.000 He's not on my level.

01:08:28.000 He's talking all kinds of shit.

01:08:31.000 Writing all these checks that there's no way his fucking talent can cash.

01:08:34.000 When I get him in there, I'm going to smash him.

01:08:37.000 And he goes, I'm going to take my time on him.

01:08:38.000 I'm going to try to hurt him.

01:08:39.000 This is what he said to me that was crazy.

01:08:41.000 He goes, I have never tried to hit anyone with all my power in the octagon.

01:08:45.000 And I'm like, wait, what?

01:08:47.000 How is that possible?

01:08:49.000 He sends people flying across the octagon.

01:08:51.000 Watch his fight with Jay Heron.

01:08:53.000 You can hit somebody harder than that.

01:08:56.000 Are you sure?

01:08:57.000 Because that doesn't seem normal.

01:08:59.000 That doesn't seem right.

01:09:00.000 Talking about his leg kicks, I was just going to ask you, what did you think of being there for the Gaethje-Alvarez fight?

01:09:06.000 Jesus!

01:09:06.000 That was great!

01:09:07.000 Gosh.

01:09:07.000 It was amazing.

01:09:08.000 There was two fights that night that were humbling.

01:09:12.000 That was one of them.

01:09:14.000 That fight was humbling.

01:09:15.000 Like, the fucking guts and glory.

01:09:18.000 Watching those guys go at it.

01:09:21.000 But Yancy Medeiros and Cowboy Oliveira might have been even crazier.

01:09:26.000 I think that was the craziest fight of the night.

01:09:29.000 And I believe that one performance of the night.

01:09:31.000 Thank the baby Jesus.

01:09:33.000 Because if it didn't, there was some criminal shenanigans afoot.

01:09:37.000 It was the craziest fight ever.

01:09:39.000 One would get rocked, and then the other would get rocked, and you'd think the fight was over, and then the other one would come back and rock the other one.

01:09:44.000 And then finally Yancey won in the third round.

01:09:46.000 I mean, it was just a fucking...

01:09:49.000 Chaotic war!

01:09:50.000 It was such a good fight.

01:09:52.000 Just such a good fight.

01:09:53.000 Two bonuses.

01:09:54.000 Two fight of the night awards.

01:09:56.000 That's nice.

01:09:57.000 See, that's what I love about the UFC. When people really perform and lay it on the line like that.

01:10:02.000 But, did Aldo and Holloway win any sort of a fight of the night?

01:10:10.000 I know Francis didn't, but they said they were going to really take care of him.

01:10:12.000 Yeah, they were going to hook him up with some sort of a bonus.

01:10:14.000 How do you not give that guy KO of the night?

01:10:16.000 What?

01:10:17.000 What are we doing here?

01:10:18.000 What is it?

01:10:21.000 What's that?

01:10:22.000 It doesn't say.

01:10:23.000 It just says that those two got fight of the night.

01:10:25.000 It didn't say anything about anything else.

01:10:26.000 Oh, okay.

01:10:27.000 It says that fight get fight of the night?

01:10:29.000 No, no, no, no.

01:10:30.000 The Gaethje...

01:10:31.000 Gaethje and Cowboy Oliveira and Yancey Medeiros got fired tonight.

01:10:36.000 Well, Max Holloway's performance was nothing short of masterful.

01:10:39.000 Nothing short of masterful.

01:10:40.000 The way he handled Aldo, the way he yelled at me after the first round.

01:10:46.000 He gets done with the round, and he's going back to his, and he looks at me and goes, The man is tired!

01:10:51.000 The man is tired!

01:10:53.000 He's a motherfucker.

01:10:55.000 Dude, Max Holloway is a real fucking warrior.

01:10:59.000 I mean, to the core.

01:11:00.000 That guy relishes it.

01:11:02.000 He loves it.

01:11:03.000 When he was chicken-necking at Aldo and he's got his hands down and he's talking shit to him and stalking him, you could see it in Aldo's face like he was drowning.

01:11:11.000 You could see the waves were coming and he knew he wasn't going to be able to dog paddle for too long.

01:11:16.000 He's like, Jesus Christ.

01:11:17.000 How am I going to keep up with this guy?

01:11:20.000 The thing about Max Holloway that's so interesting is...

01:11:23.000 In a lot of ways, he has that sort of Nick Diaz approach, where he's not hitting you with all of his might.

01:11:30.000 He's not throwing these handmakers, unless he's got you hurt.

01:11:33.000 Until he's got you hurt.

01:11:35.000 Once he's got you hurt, then he's just fucking whipping bombs your way.

01:11:37.000 But until then, he's just constantly on you, just constantly peppering you, constantly on you.

01:11:43.000 Kick, knee, punch, move forward, move forward.

01:11:45.000 And you're just dealing with him and trying to breathe.

01:11:47.000 You don't get any breath.

01:11:49.000 And he just keeps that pressure on you.

01:11:51.000 And he knew Aldo was fading right out.

01:11:53.000 And I'll tell you, Aldo looked good in that first round.

01:11:55.000 Yeah, I thought he was going to start picking it up like almost Aldo of old with the leg kicks.

01:11:59.000 He should have.

01:11:59.000 Just leg kick, leg kick, leg kick.

01:12:00.000 He should have.

01:12:01.000 He should have gone.

01:12:02.000 His strategy should have been almost entirely leg kick centered.

01:12:05.000 Right.

01:12:05.000 And he was trying to catch him, and he caught him with a couple of good punches.

01:12:08.000 But all of his punches are sprints, right?

01:12:11.000 And if he doesn't knock you out with those sprints, he only has so many of those in the gas tank.

01:12:15.000 You're fighting the guy that can do it for a marathon.

01:12:17.000 And he can.

01:12:18.000 And Max Holloway can.

01:12:20.000 He is so well conditioned and so aware of his ability and not stretching himself.

01:12:25.000 So when they got to the third, he started slugging it out with Aldo at the very beginning of the third.

01:12:31.000 He's like, I know this guy's tired.

01:12:33.000 He goes, I'm going to make him sprint with me.

01:12:35.000 And you could see, like, as the beginning of the third round played out, Aldo was swinging wild at him.

01:12:42.000 And I was watching this.

01:12:43.000 I was like, this is not...

01:12:47.000 He's not conserving his energy at all.

01:12:49.000 What he's doing is trying to take Max Holloway out with one shot, and he's blowing out his entire wad doing this.

01:12:56.000 And then you saw Holloway just coming out, coming on, coming on, just bang, bang, bang, pop, pop, pop.

01:13:03.000 Pop, pop, pop.

01:13:04.000 And Aldo's trying to move his head, and he's using all his head movement, but he never gets a break.

01:13:08.000 Yeah, it's an incredible pace that Holloway has.

01:13:10.000 Incredible.

01:13:11.000 He doesn't give you any space.

01:13:12.000 You don't get any rest.

01:13:14.000 There's no laying back with Holloway.

01:13:16.000 Max Holloway's on you, on you, on you.

01:13:19.000 I love what he said about fighting Aldo in Rio, too.

01:13:22.000 He goes, that's what kings do!

01:13:24.000 He goes, they go to the other person's village and they take their crown.

01:13:28.000 I was like, ooooh.

01:13:30.000 That's right.

01:13:30.000 That's what they do.

01:13:31.000 That's what he did.

01:13:33.000 He's the baddest motherfucker.

01:13:33.000 I think he's the best 145 or ever.

01:13:35.000 I mean, he might not agree with it yet because of the record.

01:13:38.000 Which I see his point, but the way he fights, the octagon IQ that he shows, his fight IQ, his ability to find a weakness and to see it, his predatory behavior inside the octagon, I think he's the best.

01:13:52.000 I really do.

01:13:53.000 I just think...

01:13:55.000 It's so impressive to me that he's not...

01:13:57.000 Aldo in his prime was spectacular and amazingly impressive.

01:14:02.000 His flying knee, first round knockout of Cub Swanson, the knockout of Chad Mendes.

01:14:09.000 The Uriah Faber fight where he brutalized Uriah's leg.

01:14:13.000 He's unquestionably one of the greats of all time.

01:14:17.000 But in my opinion, skill-wise, Max Holloway has now surpassed him.

01:14:21.000 I think he's the best.

01:14:22.000 Yeah.

01:14:23.000 What are your takes?

01:14:24.000 Or who do you have for the Bellator heavyweight tournament?

01:14:27.000 I'm fucking very curious about that.

01:14:30.000 First of all, I thought it was really interesting they decided to go with Mitrione versus Roy Nelson right out of the gate.

01:14:35.000 I thought that was interesting because...

01:14:38.000 First of all, Mitrion just knocked out Fedor, right?

01:14:42.000 Wouldn't you, like, want to see that again?

01:14:44.000 Like, does Fedor want to see that again?

01:14:46.000 Because Mitrion's fighting Frank Mir.

01:14:48.000 I do not know what kind of testing that Bellator is employing, but I hope it's Wild West-style testing.

01:14:55.000 I hope they pee in a cup, hold it up to the light, and if nothing's swimming in it, they go, you're good.

01:15:01.000 Let them roll!

01:15:02.000 Yeah, I'm kind of campaigning right now to be the alternate.

01:15:04.000 So I would love, love, love to be the alternate in the tournament.

01:15:07.000 What is your ranking in the Bellator heavyweight division right now?

01:15:10.000 Do they have one?

01:15:11.000 I'm not sure that they really have an official one.

01:15:13.000 But I think if I'm not in there for this as the alternate, I think that I'll be one of the first title defenses.

01:15:21.000 Interesting.

01:15:21.000 That's what I'll be hoping for.

01:15:23.000 And I'll stay active.

01:15:25.000 I'm going to fight.

01:15:26.000 Hopefully I'll pick it up to two, three fights a year.

01:15:29.000 And King Mo is in the heavyweight tournament with Ryan Bader, who's the light heavyweight champion.

01:15:35.000 That's going to happen in May.

01:15:36.000 It's Chael versus Rampage in January.

01:15:39.000 Then it's the Roy Nelson and Matt Mitrione in February.

01:15:43.000 And then they have the Fedor versus Frank Mir in April.

01:15:48.000 So they're going to take a break in March.

01:15:50.000 The only thing I don't like about this is it locks everybody up for a long-ass time.

01:15:54.000 Like, I would like it if that was all on, like, two shows.

01:15:56.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 Or maybe even one crazy card.

01:15:59.000 You know?

01:16:00.000 Have all the fights on one card.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, I think Mir has to wait until April.

01:16:03.000 Why's that?

01:16:04.000 For his contract?

01:16:05.000 I think it's the testing that he had in the UFC. Don't test him, Bellator.

01:16:10.000 Don't do it.

01:16:12.000 And so I think he's suspended until April and then he can fight.

01:16:16.000 And so, but that fight, I think probably a lot of fans 10 years ago, but now too, are going to be really excited to see Mir versus Fedor, you know, two kind of legendary champions.

01:16:28.000 And then, I don't know why the Bader won and King Mo won all the way back in May.

01:16:33.000 Well, King Moe's had some pretty significant injuries that he's had to deal with.

01:16:36.000 Okay.

01:16:37.000 And Bader just fought recently, so maybe he needed some time, too.

01:16:40.000 Yeah.

01:16:41.000 But yeah, maybe it's the injuries with Moe.

01:16:43.000 But man, I'm excited.

01:16:44.000 So I'm just training and ready to jump in.

01:16:47.000 I'm actually getting to go climb Mount Kilimanjaro, maybe.

01:16:51.000 Well, actually, I'm deciding on it this next week.

01:16:54.000 To see if I can cement the alternate position or not.

01:16:57.000 To me, the big one is Rory McDonald, Douglas Lima.

01:17:02.000 That's the big one.

01:17:03.000 January.

01:17:04.000 That's the big one.

01:17:05.000 That's going to be big.

01:17:05.000 That's the one I'm like, okay.

01:17:07.000 Because I feel like when it comes to the welterweight division...

01:17:11.000 Bellator has two guys in Lima and in...

01:17:17.000 See, the Lima thing, the only thing that stands out in the Lima thing is Ben Askren.

01:17:21.000 It was Ben Askren, and it was a long time ago, no doubt about it, but Ben Askren just had his way with Lima and had his way with Korshkov, had his way with all these guys.

01:17:30.000 That, to me, and Ben's coming on the podcast next month.

01:17:32.000 We got him scheduled.

01:17:33.000 Awesome.

01:17:34.000 Before or after, I forget which one, the event out here, the Bellator event.

01:17:40.000 But I feel like that is, I mean, now that he's retired, that is my biggest regret that he didn't get in MMA, that he didn't get into the UFC. My biggest regret.

01:17:51.000 Yeah, I wish they could work that out, whatever it was.

01:17:52.000 Fuck!

01:17:53.000 I wanted to see what would happen.

01:17:55.000 You want to see what happens with him and Tyron Woodley.

01:17:57.000 You want to see what happens with him and world-class wrestlers who are also knockout artists.

01:18:01.000 You want to see what happens with him and the elite of the elite at 170 in the octagon.

01:18:05.000 For whatever reason, and I'm sure he'll tell us, and I'm sure he'll be very outspoken.

01:18:11.000 I wonder if it's the whole style thing.

01:18:13.000 Hardcore fans love it.

01:18:16.000 But then, it's almost like, I won't use his name, but I know a fighter that fought in the upper weight classes in the UFC, you know, nine or ten wins and only two losses and gets cut.

01:18:27.000 And so it's almost like, you know, you gotta be in it.

01:18:30.000 Who's that?

01:18:31.000 Jared Rochelt.

01:18:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:33.000 I mean, great guy.

01:18:35.000 Awesome training partner.

01:18:36.000 Great fighter.

01:18:37.000 He had some fun fights.

01:18:38.000 Why did he get cut?

01:18:39.000 It was after he had an early loss in the UFC and then he went on a tear and then he had another loss and they cut him.

01:18:46.000 One loss?

01:18:47.000 Yeah.

01:18:47.000 That seems crazy.

01:18:48.000 So I think he had like eight, nine or ten wins and only two losses there.

01:18:52.000 And then so it was after one loss and he was gone.

01:18:55.000 So I believe it was because of the style.

01:18:57.000 Yeah, man.

01:18:59.000 That style's legitimate, though.

01:19:00.000 The problem is you can't decide that you need things to be exciting.

01:19:05.000 You need things...

01:19:06.000 Your sport is things being effective.

01:19:09.000 The whole idea is, like, here you go.

01:19:11.000 You got a guy like Francis Ngannou who can knock anybody's head into another dimension, right?

01:19:17.000 Well, what happens if Francis Ngannou gets smothered by some...

01:19:23.000 Rulon Gardner type character.

01:19:26.000 Some giant dude who grabs a hold of him, drags him to the ground, and fucking hammer fists him for three, five rounds.

01:19:34.000 Don't you want to see that?

01:19:35.000 I want to see that.

01:19:36.000 I want to know that this kind of guy can be immobilized.

01:19:42.000 That he can be neutralized.

01:19:43.000 And we've seen Ben Askren do that.

01:19:46.000 Koreshkov and Lima.

01:19:48.000 Two fucking straight up assassins.

01:19:51.000 We've seen him do that.

01:19:53.000 So I wanted to see him try to fight some of the elite of the elite because I think that style is critical.

01:20:00.000 The wrestling style is the hardest style to deal with if you can't compete with a wrestler.

01:20:05.000 That's why I've always said if you had a pyramid of all the techniques in martial arts, what would be the most important?

01:20:11.000 I think wrestling.

01:20:13.000 Because the ability to dictate where the fight takes place.

01:20:15.000 And by wrestling, I include takedown defense, which is obviously a wrestling skill.

01:20:19.000 But wrestling, the ability to dictate where the fight takes place is fucking critical.

01:20:23.000 And if you could take the guy down, having the ability to take a guy down is giant.

01:20:28.000 You're on top of him.

01:20:30.000 You're smothering him.

01:20:31.000 He's got to carry your weight.

01:20:32.000 It's exhausting.

01:20:33.000 You're beating him up while he's down there.

01:20:35.000 It's a giant factor.

01:20:38.000 Obviously, every fight starts standing up, but...

01:20:42.000 When a good striker is fighting a good wrestler, they're fucking always worried to let anything go.

01:20:47.000 As soon as they tee off on something, woo, the double's on them and then they're on their ass.

01:20:52.000 So I think that a guy who has been proven to be one of the most difficult wrestlers to deal with, to not have him fight in the octagon is a tragedy.

01:21:01.000 It's a fucking real bummer, man.

01:21:03.000 Yeah, it is.

01:21:04.000 And I wonder how many wrestlers out there are looking at Ngannou and going, I wonder.

01:21:09.000 I wonder what would happen if you take that guy down.

01:21:11.000 Yeah, no, I mean, even me being in the same weight class, I mean, that's my wife was asking, who would you be more terrified to fight before the fight?

01:21:20.000 How much do you weigh right now?

01:21:21.000 262. We can get you down 205. Get you going, Keough.

01:21:25.000 Yeah, but when Overeem and him were facing off, she's like, which one would you prefer to fight?

01:21:29.000 And I was like, I think Nagano.

01:21:30.000 I think Francis.

01:21:31.000 Really?

01:21:31.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:21:32.000 This was before he sent Alistair into orbit.

01:21:36.000 Because you take him down.

01:21:38.000 Take him down.

01:21:39.000 And then it's your game, hopefully.

01:21:41.000 He's apparently so strong.

01:21:42.000 With Alistair, he's so seasoned and everything else.

01:21:45.000 And he does have some takedown defense, and he does have some submissions.

01:21:49.000 So I've just seen him be more well-rounded.

01:21:52.000 But that was before.

01:21:53.000 Right.

01:21:54.000 Obviously before.

01:21:55.000 Yeah, obviously.

01:21:55.000 Yeah, I would have talked to you before that.

01:21:57.000 And I would have said, no!

01:21:59.000 No.

01:21:59.000 Because my thought before the fight when I talked to Schaub, Schaub and I would talk on the phone.

01:22:03.000 He said, what do you think is going to happen?

01:22:04.000 I think Alistair doesn't make it out of the first round.

01:22:08.000 We went over all the times Alistair's been stopped.

01:22:11.000 That's a big factor.

01:22:12.000 It was a big factor.

01:22:13.000 Is it more than 10 times?

01:22:14.000 Yes.

01:22:15.000 More than 10 times in MMA. I think it was, what was it, like 12 times in MMA? 13 times in MMA? And then 3 or 4 times in kickboxing as well?

01:22:22.000 What's that analogy?

01:22:23.000 Is there any truth to it?

01:22:24.000 It's almost like a...

01:22:25.000 A peanut butter jar or something.

01:22:26.000 The first time you open it, you got to get out a towel and put over it and try really hard to open that lid.

01:22:32.000 And then after that, it's a little easier.

01:22:34.000 And then it's a little easier until eventually you do it enough and you can just spin it off, just flick it, you know?

01:22:38.000 Yeah.

01:22:39.000 Well, he's in the flick it stage.

01:22:40.000 Yeah.

01:22:41.000 But it doesn't matter.

01:22:42.000 That punch would have knocked him out when he was 20. Oh, yeah.

01:22:44.000 That would have knocked anyone out.

01:22:45.000 Yeah.

01:22:46.000 That punch was insane.

01:22:48.000 Mark Contour, Roy Nelson, either of those guys.

01:22:50.000 And the way he threw it, it was like a leg from the thigh and then whipping that arm with the whole body behind it, just full torque.

01:23:01.000 I mean, it had everything.

01:23:02.000 It had all the power.

01:23:04.000 I was a little skeptical of the, well, it was probably from listening to Brendan, but talk about the punching power.

01:23:09.000 You know, well, who else?

01:23:11.000 Has Mark Hunt hit it and has Crow Cop kicked it and everything else?

01:23:14.000 And then all of a sudden, once you see that punch, you're like, he's sealed the deal.

01:23:17.000 Dude, I've shook homeboy's hand and it's like holding hands with a fucking cinder block.

01:23:23.000 Let's see that again.

01:23:25.000 Boom!

01:23:26.000 See how he comes up from the thigh and the arm whips up?

01:23:29.000 Look at this.

01:23:30.000 Wham!

01:23:32.000 Oh my goodness.

01:23:33.000 And as he's punching, he's moving in position to punch a second time.

01:23:38.000 Then he hammer fists him while he's out.

01:23:40.000 Boom!

01:23:42.000 Thank goodness he got in there.

01:23:43.000 Yeah, he certainly, I mean, the referee got in as quick as he could, but he certainly could have not hit him while he was down.

01:23:50.000 He was out cold.

01:23:52.000 What are you going to say?

01:23:53.000 Who got knocked out with a bunch of the elbows?

01:23:55.000 Didn't there like seven, eight extra elbows at the end before the ref stepped in?

01:23:58.000 In this past weekend?

01:23:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:01.000 Do you remember what I'm talking about?

01:24:02.000 I was going to say Gary Goodridge.

01:24:03.000 They weren't like extra, extra elbows, but like it was like, ah, man, probably should have stopped that early.

01:24:08.000 Pull up the card?

01:24:12.000 Try to figure out who it was.

01:24:17.000 Paul Felder?

01:24:19.000 Yes, Felder beat the shit out of him.

01:24:21.000 Yeah, that was an interesting fight because what played out is exactly what I thought.

01:24:26.000 I was like, Oliveira is really dangerous with his grappling.

01:24:29.000 His grappling is phenomenal.

01:24:31.000 He has submitted...

01:24:32.000 I think he's tied with Hoist Gracie for submitting the most guys in the UFC, which is...

01:24:37.000 How badass is Hoist Gracie?

01:24:39.000 All these years later, he has the record.

01:24:41.000 That's awesome.

01:24:41.000 You know, pretty goddamn significant.

01:24:43.000 Yeah.

01:24:44.000 But...

01:24:46.000 He smashed him with that one shot, and then he tapped.

01:24:48.000 He's got such great elbows, man.

01:24:49.000 Yeah, he tapped.

01:24:50.000 That's right.

01:24:51.000 That's what happened.

01:24:52.000 No one saw the tap.

01:24:53.000 Yeah.

01:24:55.000 And Felder just smashed him.

01:24:57.000 Well, Felder's an enormous 55. Felder walks around somewhere in the 185-pound range, and then Giants down to 55. Yeah, he tapped, but the referee didn't see it.

01:25:06.000 One, two, three, four, five, oof, six.

01:25:12.000 Yikes.

01:25:13.000 Should have tapped a little harder than that.

01:25:15.000 Yeah, you gotta let, don't, I mean, that's like a humble tap, like, yeah, I tapped.

01:25:19.000 You gotta tap, like, okay, we're done here.

01:25:23.000 Yeah, you can't tap.

01:25:24.000 Paul didn't even realize he tapped.

01:25:25.000 You can't be reluctant.

01:25:26.000 You can't have a reluctant tap.

01:25:28.000 It's gotta be like, but guys don't wanna tap, you know, I'm kinda tapping.

01:25:32.000 Mm-hmm.

01:25:33.000 You've seen fights where guys said they tapped, but they didn't.

01:25:36.000 Yeah, the Ioana thing, she still says she didn't tap, but she definitely did.

01:25:40.000 She probably doesn't realize she tapped because she was in dreamland.

01:25:44.000 I mean, she got hit so hard and dropped, but guys have tapped, said they didn't tap.

01:25:49.000 Remember Morello Bustamante and Matt Lindland?

01:25:51.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

01:25:53.000 They restarted the fight.

01:25:55.000 Matt Lindland got caught in an arm bar, clearly tapped.

01:25:59.000 And Big John McCarthy separated them, was declaring Bustamante the winner.

01:26:05.000 Lindland said, I didn't tap.

01:26:07.000 I was moving around.

01:26:08.000 I was moving around.

01:26:08.000 I wasn't tapped.

01:26:10.000 Okay, okay.

01:26:11.000 And then Moose to Monte, you can tell he's like, what in the fuck?

01:26:14.000 Are you serious?

01:26:15.000 And then they make him go back at it again, and then he catches him in a guillotine the next round.

01:26:19.000 Yeah, I mean, I started in 2005 or 2006 fighting, and I remember a lot of wrestlers talking about wrestler tricks as if someone, if you go for the double leg and you start getting a takedown, you know, tap.

01:26:29.000 Here it is, watch.

01:26:32.000 That's, well, I don't know.

01:26:34.000 Hold on.

01:26:35.000 Let me watch that again.

01:26:36.000 Let me watch that again.

01:26:39.000 Play it right there.

01:26:41.000 Yeah, that looks like he's tapping.

01:26:44.000 But then he says he's not.

01:26:45.000 Hmm.

01:26:46.000 It seems like he wanted to tap, but he didn't.

01:26:49.000 Hmm.

01:26:49.000 Let me see it again.

01:26:50.000 I'm less convinced now.

01:26:52.000 Watch this again.

01:26:54.000 Here it is.

01:26:55.000 He's got the arm.

01:26:57.000 Turns him over.

01:26:59.000 Yeah, that's a tap.

01:27:00.000 Yeah, that's a fucking tap.

01:27:01.000 Yeah, and then he said it didn't.

01:27:05.000 I know a lot of wrestlers would talk about, you know, you get in the guillotine, try to see where the ref is, and then you can tap on the other side.

01:27:12.000 Do you remember Chael did that?

01:27:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:14.000 Chael did that with Paulo Filio in WEC. Yeah, that's right.

01:27:18.000 And then they fought again.

01:27:19.000 The second time they fought, Filio didn't make weight, and now he catches him with the guillotine.

01:27:25.000 This is it right here.

01:27:27.000 Old school Carlson Gracie style, son.

01:27:31.000 Yeah, I mean, Bostamante was a wizard back then.

01:27:34.000 A lot of people forgot how good he was.

01:27:36.000 At the top of his game, man, he was one of the fuck...

01:27:39.000 That's a tap right there.

01:27:40.000 He was one of the fucking best.

01:27:43.000 Such a good jiu-jitsu guy and really good boxing, too.

01:27:46.000 But Paulo Filho went crazy.

01:27:48.000 Remember, he was kind of like the second time they fought, he missed weight.

01:27:53.000 So Sonnen should rightly, by all accounts, really be the, he should have been the WEC 185-pound champion.

01:28:01.000 But he never got that title.

01:28:05.000 Because Philio didn't make the weight and then they had some real weird fight where Philio was saying, just do it, my friend.

01:28:13.000 Come to the ground with me.

01:28:14.000 He's like, can't do that.

01:28:14.000 Sorry.

01:28:15.000 And he's talking to him.

01:28:18.000 Remember when Paul had a bit of a breakdown, right?

01:28:23.000 Got a Mike Tyson tattoo on his face and was acting real weird.

01:28:27.000 He kind of just disappeared.

01:28:28.000 Yeah.

01:28:29.000 He was a beast.

01:28:30.000 He was a monster.

01:28:31.000 At one point in time, yeah, he was submitting everybody.

01:28:34.000 He was so good.

01:28:35.000 And he submitted a bunch of people, at least one or two people in Pride, I believe.

01:28:39.000 But yeah, he was another guy.

01:28:41.000 He was a Carlson Gracie guy as well, right?

01:28:43.000 I believe so.

01:28:44.000 Yeah, world-class jiu-jitsu guy who's just a little pitbull of a man.

01:28:48.000 Yeah, like the pre-Paul Harris.

01:28:51.000 What do you think about what Ryzen is doing now?

01:28:54.000 Ryzen is trying to kind of bring back the Pride days.

01:28:58.000 I miss the Pride days.

01:28:59.000 Me too!

01:29:00.000 Right?

01:29:01.000 Yeah, a lot.

01:29:01.000 So, I support it.

01:29:03.000 Yeah.

01:29:03.000 I hope they do it well.

01:29:04.000 They're doing a lot of freak shows, too.

01:29:06.000 Like, they had...

01:29:07.000 Was it Rising, Gabby Garcia versus some maid?

01:29:10.000 The old lady?

01:29:11.000 Yeah.

01:29:11.000 Well, she's had a couple fights over there.

01:29:13.000 Yeah, there's one she literally fought a grandma.

01:29:15.000 Like, not just joking around.

01:29:16.000 Like, she was a grandmother.

01:29:18.000 A grandma with a bad knee, remember?

01:29:20.000 Yeah.

01:29:20.000 Grandma had a knee brace on.

01:29:21.000 You can see, like, once it started, it was like...

01:29:24.000 They put her up to that.

01:29:25.000 She didn't want to be in there.

01:29:26.000 Why would they...

01:29:27.000 Put her up to that.

01:29:28.000 I have no clue.

01:29:29.000 Maybe they can't find anyone to fight Gabby.

01:29:31.000 I'm sure they can't.

01:29:32.000 Yeah, but it's almost like I'd rather not see that fight happen, though.

01:29:37.000 For people that don't know, Gabby Garcia is probably 225 pounds and jacked.

01:29:44.000 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 She would be my training partner.

01:29:46.000 Yes.

01:29:47.000 Legitimately.

01:29:47.000 Legitimately, yeah.

01:29:48.000 I'm 6'3", 262. She'd be my training partner.

01:29:50.000 Yeah.

01:29:51.000 Crazy.

01:29:52.000 I think she's taller than you.

01:29:54.000 Oh, she probably is.

01:29:54.000 She's a gorilla.

01:29:56.000 So big so finding a female competitor to compete with her Good luck.

01:30:02.000 Yeah, well whenever they were always talking about the Rousey could beat Guys in her division and different stuff like that You would almost think they have to have no other options to where Gabby's gonna have to fight a guy someday I know right maybe like a 185 or something like that, but yeah, look at the size of her Oh,

01:30:19.000 my goodness.

01:30:19.000 It's so insane.

01:30:21.000 And this is her versus a little girl in kickboxing.

01:30:24.000 This is a kickboxing fight.

01:30:25.000 Oh, my God.

01:30:26.000 Oh, it's MMA. What are those gloves?

01:30:29.000 Maybe the smaller one didn't want to fight her in MMA gloves because she'd take too much of a beating.

01:30:34.000 They do look like boxing gloves, don't they?

01:30:36.000 Yeah.

01:30:36.000 I think this is a kickboxing fight, and I think that's why they stopped the fight after that takedown attempt.

01:30:41.000 Oh, okay.

01:30:42.000 Right?

01:30:42.000 Because they got back up to their feet.

01:30:43.000 This is a kickboxing fight.

01:30:44.000 Maybe it's an MMA fighter, though, doing it.

01:30:45.000 Yeah.

01:30:47.000 She's getting battered.

01:30:48.000 I'm just getting hit by tree trunks.

01:30:51.000 It's so crazy.

01:30:52.000 When she fought grandma, I was sad for the woman that had to go out there.

01:30:58.000 This is in Brazil versus Megumi Yabushita.

01:31:03.000 Japan, brutal knockout, illegal soccer kick.

01:31:06.000 Okay, I don't want to watch this.

01:31:07.000 Here it is.

01:31:07.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:31:10.000 Illegal soccer kick.

01:31:11.000 That's a good night.

01:31:13.000 Yeah, when you're 100 pounds bigger than someone, please don't soccer kick them when they're down illegally.

01:31:17.000 That just seems like...

01:31:18.000 Logical.

01:31:19.000 Adding insult to injury.

01:31:20.000 So what else is coming up next that you're excited about?

01:31:23.000 Is Paul Daly fighting Semtex?

01:31:27.000 I mean, Semtex fighting Michael Venom Page?

01:31:31.000 They want to.

01:31:32.000 I know that Semtex is going after that, going after that, going after that, but I don't think it's finalized.

01:31:36.000 Is Michael Page into the fight?

01:31:37.000 Does he want to have that fight?

01:31:38.000 I think he's a little more on the fence about it.

01:31:41.000 I think.

01:31:42.000 Daly is, like, campaigning for it, at least the last I heard.

01:31:44.000 I love shit-talking with a British accent.

01:31:46.000 Yeah.

01:31:47.000 It's one of my favorite things.

01:31:48.000 Yeah.

01:31:48.000 Anything with a British accent.

01:31:50.000 Especially from Daly.

01:31:52.000 You look at him, this muscular animal.

01:31:54.000 He's such a fucking psycho.

01:31:56.000 What a fucking left hand that guy's got.

01:31:59.000 When he stopped Lorenz Larkin, I was like, whoa!

01:32:02.000 That's for real.

01:32:03.000 That'll be really exciting to see if it happens.

01:32:06.000 Yeah.

01:32:07.000 He's even been on page with that flying knee.

01:32:10.000 Oh, with the sideboard one?

01:32:11.000 Yeah.

01:32:12.000 Jesus Christ.

01:32:12.000 I've never seen anything like that in my life.

01:32:14.000 Yeah.

01:32:14.000 I think it's the right fight to do.

01:32:16.000 So hopefully.

01:32:16.000 Yeah.

01:32:16.000 Pages.

01:32:17.000 And I don't think he's, I don't know.

01:32:18.000 Maybe it's other, other details they need to work out to make it happen.

01:32:22.000 But, um, it seems like daily is the one that's been campaigning for it.

01:32:25.000 And Michael Venom page hasn't yet.

01:32:26.000 So.

01:32:27.000 Yeah, because after Rory McDonald beat Daly, Daly was immediately saying he wanted to fight Page.

01:32:32.000 Right.

01:32:32.000 It wasn't like saying, like, I didn't really want to fight Rory, fuck this fight.

01:32:36.000 He's, like, immediately going after that.

01:32:40.000 He didn't want a rematch with Rory.

01:32:42.000 He was just...

01:32:43.000 Michael Venom Page and him have some serious bad blood.

01:32:46.000 Yeah.

01:32:47.000 It's exciting.

01:32:48.000 Really exciting, man.

01:32:49.000 I don't know.

01:32:50.000 Here we go.

01:32:51.000 After boxing debut win, who's Paul Daly?

01:32:54.000 That's right.

01:32:55.000 He had a boxing match.

01:32:56.000 Who's Paul Daly?

01:32:57.000 That's funny.

01:32:57.000 Who the fuck is that guy?

01:33:01.000 Which is probably one of the most brilliant lines.

01:33:03.000 Now everyone else can copy.

01:33:04.000 That's amazing.

01:33:05.000 The timing.

01:33:06.000 The timing of that when Jeremy Stephens yelled that out.

01:33:10.000 Yeah, Venom Page looked amazing in his boxing match.

01:33:13.000 You're hearing all this shit now about Conor possibly fighting Paulie Malignaggi.

01:33:20.000 In an MMA fight?

01:33:21.000 No, boxing match in a cage.

01:33:23.000 That was the latest.

01:33:25.000 Like a boxing match in the octagon.

01:33:26.000 Listen, the WME crew, the people who own the UFC now, I think they're willing to put on whatever fight's going to bring in the most shekels.

01:33:37.000 That's what they've got to do now.

01:33:39.000 They got a star.

01:33:40.000 I think Ngannou, one or two more fights, you're going to be looking at Mike Tyson days.

01:33:45.000 That's what I think.

01:33:45.000 I think Ngannou is going to be like, you're going to watch fights just to see how long these motherfuckers can survive against that guy.

01:33:53.000 That's what I think.

01:33:53.000 And I think that could be their big breakout star.

01:33:56.000 Conor, who knows if he's ever going to fight again.

01:33:59.000 I mean, we really don't know.

01:34:01.000 We haven't heard Conor saying, you know, this is my plan, this is who I'm thinking about fighting, this is who I want to fight.

01:34:06.000 He's been talking shit to Max Holloway, he's been talking shit to Tony Ferguson, but he's not said, like, set it up.

01:34:14.000 Did you know what Francis was really talking about whenever he was talking about the slaves?

01:34:19.000 Yes.

01:34:20.000 That's so nuts.

01:34:21.000 Yeah, we played that on the podcast.

01:34:22.000 We showed a lot of that stuff that's going on in Libya.

01:34:24.000 They had open slave auctions and people filmed it and put it on YouTube in 2017. Yeah, I know multiple people from Uganda, Rwanda and Congo that were I think?

01:34:55.000 And so they go there thinking that they're going to be able to have a new job, send back a bunch of money to their family.

01:35:01.000 Then all of a sudden they get there.

01:35:02.000 They take all their documents away from them to where they can't travel.

01:35:05.000 They can't escape.

01:35:05.000 If they do, they don't speak the language.

01:35:08.000 And then they throw them into someone's house and they're literally their slave.

01:35:12.000 And they were lured there.

01:35:14.000 Now all of a sudden you're a slave.

01:35:16.000 How long are they keeping them there for?

01:35:18.000 They'll keep them there forever, but then some of these people that are able to make contact with their families, they have to fundraise and come up with thousands and thousands of dollars.

01:35:29.000 I'm talking like an African family that might make $1 to $1.25 per day is now having to come up with $3,000, $4,000, $5,000, $10,000 to try to buy them back out of it.

01:35:43.000 Did you know there's more slavery today than any other time in recorded history?

01:35:47.000 Ever in human history, yeah.

01:35:48.000 So the lowest statistic is 27 million, but I think it's over 30 million.

01:35:52.000 Just stop and think about it.

01:35:54.000 Most people in America, if you talk to them about slavery, they're like, oh yeah, that ended in 1865. Nope.

01:36:01.000 Not only did it not end, There's more today than ever.

01:36:03.000 But until we saw the Libya, the YouTube video where you see the one guy saying he can lift heavy things, he's a good digger, and you're like, what?

01:36:12.000 And they were selling him for like 400 bucks, 600 bucks.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, so the Mubuti Pygmies, actually.

01:36:18.000 So this is what the documentary is really covering.

01:36:20.000 I cover a little bit of it in the book, but we've actually seen 1,500 people, and that's what, at the Comedy Store tonight, we'll play the short trailer for it.

01:36:28.000 And it's going to talk about the slavery that's in there.

01:36:31.000 There's 400 to 600,000 Mabuti Pygmies in the Congo and basically all of them are enslaved currently right now.

01:36:37.000 And so we've actually seen peaceful negotiations of 1,500 people transition out of a life of slavery and into a life of freedom.

01:36:44.000 And we're hoping that we can replicate that.

01:36:46.000 And so how we're able to do it is we're able to work with the local We're good to go.

01:37:16.000 But in this context, it's a family owns a family.

01:37:19.000 In most cases, some own many families.

01:37:22.000 But I've attended the funerals of the slave master's kids.

01:37:27.000 The slave master's kids are dying of dirty water because they have zero access to it.

01:37:32.000 And so whenever you can bring in, because they're making $1, $1.25 a day on the film, there's going to be a beautiful part on the documentary.

01:37:38.000 I don't want to ruin that part or the thunder, but it's, man, there's a slave master crying on camera with us.

01:37:45.000 Crying.

01:37:45.000 Because of how much of a benefit it's been the peace that's come from not having the slaves that he inherited from his father who inherited them from his grandfather because it became a burden where they're making $1.25 a day.

01:38:00.000 They're spending on average, the average person in Congress being $185 a year on treatment against waterborne disease.

01:38:08.000 So on medicine, all this stuff, they're spending half of their salary I think?

01:38:31.000 Of Congo.

01:38:32.000 They're the first people here.

01:38:33.000 They're the native Congolese.

01:38:35.000 Don't you think they deserve some land?

01:38:37.000 And so we kind of cast a vision, work together with them.

01:38:40.000 It's all inclusive to where they get to share their concerns and questions and they get to be part of it and say, we want this here.

01:38:48.000 And so then all of a sudden, once that happens, we do the land purchases.

01:38:51.000 It's all legal.

01:38:53.000 And then we bring in water for both sides.

01:38:57.000 To where they both have clean water, access to that, which changes everything.

01:39:00.000 Whenever the slave master's wife is on average going 3.75 miles to go collect water, she can't do other things.

01:39:08.000 Can you imagine that?

01:39:08.000 You own slaves and you have to walk three miles to get water.

01:39:11.000 To go get water!

01:39:13.000 Or you're a slave master and if you are fortunate enough that your wife doesn't have to go collect water all day, one of your kids can't go to school because they have to go collect water all day.

01:39:25.000 And so when those jerry cans are full, 20 liters.

01:39:31.000 20 liters is 44 pounds in full.

01:39:33.000 And a lot of times you do it with two because if you're not going to carry it on your head and if you're going to make the most of your time, that 3.75 mile walk, you're going to go with two jerry cans on that walk and then it'll balance you out almost like kettlebells.

01:39:47.000 And so you get two 44 pound, almost kettlebells, but jerry cans of water that's moving that's so hard to carry and you walk that back.

01:39:55.000 100 pounds.

01:39:56.000 You're basically walking around with 100 pounds.

01:39:58.000 Yeah, 88 pounds.

01:39:59.000 And so to be able to alleviate...

01:40:00.000 You're a tiny person.

01:40:01.000 You're not a big person.

01:40:02.000 Yeah, some of them are girls that are, you know, teenagers and stuff.

01:40:06.000 Imagine trying to get an American teenager to carry 88 pounds.

01:40:13.000 It hurts me going on.

01:40:14.000 Our team normally does the waterwalk in every new village that we go to.

01:40:19.000 So probably 70 waterwalks now.

01:40:21.000 There might be one or two that we didn't do.

01:40:23.000 But the first 13 we did when I was there.

01:40:27.000 Man, it's to understand, to put yourself literally in their shoes and go on that long walk and to have the sore neck from carrying it on your head or to have just your shoulders dying because you're walking back with 88 pounds.

01:40:39.000 You're not doing, I mean, think about whenever we're doing those kettlebell walks.

01:40:43.000 I know, right?

01:40:43.000 I mean, how many feet are we going?

01:40:44.000 But go miles that way.

01:40:46.000 Yeah, I put on one of those outdoorsman's vests.

01:40:49.000 You know what those things are?

01:40:50.000 Outdoorsman's pack that has a weight plate in the back, one of those posts for weight plates.

01:40:56.000 I slide on a 45-pound plate and I hike the mountains with it.

01:40:59.000 Just 45 pounds.

01:41:01.000 You go like, that's not...

01:41:02.000 I weigh 200 pounds.

01:41:02.000 Why would 45 pounds be a lot?

01:41:04.000 It's a fucking lot, man.

01:41:06.000 It's a lot.

01:41:07.000 So to think that these women are carrying double that and they're walking through the jungle...

01:41:12.000 Yeah.

01:41:12.000 Oh, man.

01:41:13.000 And it's not funny, but, I mean, they cracked up because they're so used to carrying this walk.

01:41:20.000 But I'm going down this steep hill, and it's on a little foot trail, and it's muddy because it had been raining.

01:41:26.000 And so I'm having this thing on my head, and I fall on my back, and the water just soaks me.

01:41:31.000 Because all the water that we went and collected, I mean, half of it, ended up on me and on the ground.

01:41:37.000 Did you go back and get more water?

01:41:39.000 No.

01:41:39.000 Wow.

01:41:40.000 No, because we were we were currently trying to drill the new well and we were getting pretty close to it And so but just slip and falling while you're doing it losing your balance I sprained my knee one time on one of the water walks Because you're carrying all this weight you step in a hole and then all sudden you sprain your ankle sprain your Knee different stuff like that listen Justin Wren you're doing the Lord's work.

01:42:00.000 You're doing amazing stuff, man And I'm so happy that we can help and I'm happy that we can help tonight If you were thinking about coming to the show you shit out of luck Sold out.

01:42:09.000 It was sold out a long fucking time ago.

01:42:11.000 So tonight will be Tom Segura, Tony Hinchcliffe, Whitney Cummings, Owen Smith, Tom Papa...

01:42:21.000 Is that everybody?

01:42:22.000 And me.

01:42:23.000 Is that it?

01:42:24.000 That's it.

01:42:25.000 That's the show.

01:42:26.000 Tonight, 9.30 at the Comedy Store and all the proceeds will be donated to Fight for the Forgotten.

01:42:34.000 Whatever he said.

01:42:36.000 Thank you, brother.

01:42:37.000 I appreciate you, man.

01:42:38.000 Thanks, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 09, 2013

JRE MMA Show #4 with Justin Wren

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