The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #50 with Yves Edwards

00:00:01.000 Powerful joke.

00:00:02.000 Here we go.

00:00:02.000 Four, three, two...

00:00:06.000 Hello, event friends.

00:00:09.000 What's going on, my friend?

00:00:10.000 Not much, my man.

00:00:12.000 What's that shirt?

00:00:12.000 What is it, a moon smiley face?

00:00:14.000 Yeah, graffiti in the moon.

00:00:16.000 You know me and my smiley faces.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, people would graffiti the moon if they could get up there.

00:00:20.000 That's probably the first thing you're going to have to worry about, these virgin flights they're planning on going there.

00:00:25.000 People leaving some shit that you could see from Earth.

00:00:29.000 Pissing everywhere.

00:00:30.000 Dude, so much to talk about.

00:00:31.000 So much going on.

00:00:32.000 Yeah, there's a lot going on in the world of MMA and the world of Thug Jitsu.

00:00:36.000 Yeah, your world, MMA, even boxing.

00:00:39.000 There's a lot of shit going on in boxing.

00:00:41.000 Looks like we're going to get Deontay Wilder on Monday.

00:00:45.000 He's going to be in here.

00:00:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:46.000 He's saying...

00:00:48.000 Did you see the video on his Instagram?

00:00:50.000 He shows that it's more than 10 seconds.

00:00:52.000 Yeah, it is.

00:00:54.000 It's a fact.

00:00:55.000 I mean, he plays the clock.

00:00:56.000 As soon as Tyson Fury goes down, then it's more than 10 seconds before he gets back up.

00:01:00.000 The only problem with that is, I mean, it's human error, right?

00:01:03.000 You can't start immediately.

00:01:05.000 Right.

00:01:06.000 There's always that little space of time.

00:01:08.000 Isn't there supposed to be a guy on the sideline, though, that starts the count?

00:01:11.000 Yeah, right.

00:01:12.000 And then he picks it up with five, four.

00:01:14.000 Right.

00:01:15.000 Yeah, but the problem is referees, you know, when they're in the heat of the battle, the fucking adrenaline, their seconds, it's not like they have a stopwatch in their hand.

00:01:24.000 They hit it every time a guy goes down, which why don't they have?

00:01:29.000 It's too much to remember.

00:01:31.000 We're just talking about the heat of the moment.

00:01:32.000 Boom, click.

00:01:34.000 Is that too much to remember?

00:01:35.000 I mean, think about all the shit Tyson Fury has to remember.

00:01:40.000 That's all instinct, right?

00:01:42.000 Yeah.

00:01:43.000 Fury, I mean, that fight, I wanted, of course, I'm rooting for Wilder, because I like big knockouts, you know what I mean?

00:01:51.000 Yeah.

00:01:51.000 And he looked good in the first two rounds, and he just looked like he abandoned...

00:01:55.000 The game plan, and he was just looking for the knockout after that.

00:01:59.000 Well, he's got a problem.

00:02:01.000 The problem is he can knock anybody the fuck out.

00:02:04.000 That's a problem.

00:02:05.000 Anybody except that guy.

00:02:06.000 Except Tyson Fury.

00:02:07.000 It seems like he almost knocked him out.

00:02:10.000 He knocked him out, too.

00:02:11.000 He was out.

00:02:12.000 If it wasn't, I mean, he definitely did ten.

00:02:15.000 He was definitely down for 10. But here's the thing.

00:02:18.000 If the referee, instead of saying 8 said 7, instead of saying 6 said 5, would he have gotten up quicker?

00:02:23.000 I think he probably would have.

00:02:24.000 Because he's waiting for 8, 9, and then he's standing up.

00:02:28.000 Because he's trying to give himself, he's an old vet, he's trying to give himself as much recovery time as he can.

00:02:33.000 I don't know, when I watch him getting up, I look at that replay and you see his head, like his head comes up like he's trying to get up and he can't.

00:02:39.000 And then he just, like, stands up like a zombie.

00:02:42.000 I think that's some gypsy shit, man.

00:02:44.000 It's like...

00:02:45.000 It's scary.

00:02:47.000 Well, I did not expect him to get up.

00:02:49.000 I was watching the fight.

00:02:51.000 Were you?

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 I was in my house with Wilder.

00:02:54.000 Yeah, fuck yeah, yeah!

00:02:56.000 Wilder was celebrating, too.

00:02:58.000 The thing was, when he went down, I went, oh shit, I can't believe he knocked him out in the 12th!

00:03:04.000 Like that!

00:03:04.000 And it was the left hook going down that was the craziest.

00:03:07.000 Boom!

00:03:08.000 The right hand, then bang!

00:03:09.000 The left hook going down.

00:03:10.000 It was so insane.

00:03:12.000 And he walked off.

00:03:14.000 It was a walk-off knockout.

00:03:16.000 And he was dancing.

00:03:16.000 And he was pointing to his woman in the audience, and she was saying, I love you, and he was like, the whole thing was a celebratory moment.

00:03:23.000 And then the look on his face when he realized that Tyson Fury had gotten up, like, what?

00:03:28.000 You know what that is?

00:03:30.000 Remember the 80s and 90s?

00:03:32.000 The Friday the 13th movie?

00:03:34.000 Yeah.

00:03:34.000 When you kill Jason?

00:03:35.000 Yeah.

00:03:35.000 And then you turn around and it's like, oh shit, that movie is still here.

00:03:37.000 And he would just rise.

00:03:38.000 Full sit up.

00:03:39.000 That's what that was.

00:03:40.000 How does Wilder punch so hard?

00:03:42.000 As a man who studied martial arts his whole life.

00:03:45.000 Like, there's some dudes, right?

00:03:47.000 Don't you think?

00:03:48.000 Yeah.

00:03:48.000 They have some freak thing.

00:03:50.000 That explosive power.

00:03:51.000 But it's crazy how much he's got.

00:03:52.000 He's only 212 pounds.

00:03:54.000 That's the crazy thing.

00:03:55.000 It's like, he's very small for a heavyweight.

00:03:57.000 A lot of these guys, 250. Remember a guy named Mike Tyson?

00:04:00.000 Oh yeah, he was in the 215s, right?

00:04:02.000 He was like 215. Yeah.

00:04:04.000 Yeah, not much different.

00:04:05.000 He's like a truck.

00:04:05.000 I don't know how...

00:04:07.000 I mean, I didn't have that kind of power.

00:04:09.000 My knockouts were from stuff you didn't see.

00:04:12.000 Yeah.

00:04:12.000 And quickness, but...

00:04:14.000 A guy like Jeremy Stevens hits like that.

00:04:16.000 Melvin Gillard has that kind of power.

00:04:19.000 I don't know if you can develop that.

00:04:21.000 I think that's a natural thing.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, Rumble Johnson type power.

00:04:24.000 Yes.

00:04:25.000 I don't think you can develop that.

00:04:26.000 I don't think so.

00:04:27.000 I think you can accentuate it.

00:04:29.000 I think if a guy hits hard with better technique, he can hit harder.

00:04:32.000 I think it's a bone structure thing.

00:04:34.000 I mean, it's like, if you look at Deontay, he's kind of built like a gigantic Tommy Hearns.

00:04:40.000 You know?

00:04:41.000 Just wide in the shoulders, and his back is just a fucking bundle of sea ropes.

00:04:47.000 It's like those thick-ass ropes that they use for boats.

00:04:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:53.000 When they moor ships.

00:04:55.000 That's like the muscles in his back.

00:04:56.000 Just jacked back.

00:04:58.000 That's where all the power comes from, I guess.

00:05:00.000 You should let him body shot you.

00:05:02.000 Fuck all that.

00:05:03.000 Fuck all that, dude.

00:05:05.000 Yeah, that dude's a scary dude, man.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, he hits harder than anybody, I think, in recent memory.

00:05:11.000 Like, his one-shot power?

00:05:14.000 It's ridiculous.

00:05:17.000 What do you think?

00:05:18.000 I mean, Tyson was a better boxer.

00:05:20.000 A pure boxer, too.

00:05:22.000 But I would love to see big power punchers.

00:05:25.000 They need to make a boxing game where they have all the...

00:05:28.000 I guess they might have.

00:05:30.000 I don't know.

00:05:30.000 But they need to have one where they have all the power punchers and do a power puncher tournament.

00:05:36.000 Right.

00:05:37.000 Well, you know what?

00:05:37.000 I feel like it was a perfect boxing match.

00:05:41.000 Because...

00:05:43.000 You have in Tyson Fury, first of all, you have this guy that overcame depression and suicidal thoughts and, you know, drug addiction and alcoholism.

00:05:51.000 I mean, he was just...

00:05:52.000 Obesity.

00:05:52.000 Yeah, he was living in a world of depression.

00:05:54.000 He was just drinking constantly and doing coke and fucking his life up and then loses more than 100 pounds, cleans himself up, gets in there against the scariest guy in the heavyweight division and puts on a boxing clinic.

00:06:07.000 However, he still gets clipped.

00:06:10.000 He still gets clipped not once, but twice hard and dropped hard, especially in the 12th round.

00:06:16.000 So it's like for a person who loves watching fights, it's such a perfect fight because you've got...

00:06:21.000 First of all, they're both great guys.

00:06:25.000 Like both guys.

00:06:27.000 If you're a fan of like...

00:06:30.000 Exceptional human beings.

00:06:31.000 Both guys are great guys.

00:06:33.000 The more I see Deontay Wilder interact with his family, talk about things, talk about the way he approaches fighting, the more I appreciate what he's doing.

00:06:42.000 And then Tyson Fury, how do you not love the guy?

00:06:44.000 And the way they exchanged pleasantries after the fight was over, and Tyson was telling him he loved him and he kissed his fucking fist.

00:06:51.000 It was great all around.

00:06:53.000 A great feeling.

00:06:54.000 Even though it was a draw, I felt good about it.

00:06:56.000 That was Rocky 1. It was Rocky 1. That's what that was.

00:06:59.000 It was Rocky 1, right?

00:07:01.000 It was Rocky 1. Sort of, right?

00:07:03.000 But it wasn't the slugger that won.

00:07:05.000 What it was was just a great...

00:07:08.000 But nobody won.

00:07:09.000 Nobody won.

00:07:09.000 In Rocky 1, right?

00:07:11.000 It was a great...

00:07:14.000 Great boxing match.

00:07:16.000 That's what it was.

00:07:17.000 It had all the good elements.

00:07:18.000 It was the best heavyweight fight I've seen in a long time.

00:07:21.000 I mean, that might have been better than Holyfield-Tyson.

00:07:26.000 That's hard to say.

00:07:27.000 I know.

00:07:27.000 Holyfield was like the good guy coming in against the bad guy.

00:07:32.000 There was so much to that fight.

00:07:34.000 And then with Tyson, you thought he was invincible.

00:07:37.000 And then Holyfield just eating his shots and slowly beating him down.

00:07:41.000 And then eventually stops him.

00:07:43.000 I don't know, man.

00:07:44.000 I think it's an ear-bitten.

00:07:45.000 Was it a bite?

00:07:45.000 No, that was the second fight.

00:07:48.000 It was one of the best.

00:07:51.000 I'll tell you what, though, man.

00:07:52.000 Anthony Joshua versus Klitschko was one of the best in a long time before that.

00:07:57.000 They're going to goad that fella into a fight.

00:08:00.000 Someone's going to trick that fella into a fight.

00:08:03.000 I want to see that three-way mix.

00:08:06.000 Yeah, I think Joshua better stay the fuck away from Wilder.

00:08:10.000 If I was in his corner...

00:08:11.000 I was like, dude, you get hit sometimes.

00:08:13.000 You don't want to get hit anytime by that guy.

00:08:17.000 He's trying to avoid him.

00:08:18.000 I mean, he's got his head movement going now.

00:08:21.000 Yeah, I know.

00:08:22.000 He's waking up in the morning just fucking bobbing and weaving.

00:08:27.000 It's like the dudes like that, the consequences of getting clipped are so great.

00:08:31.000 It's so interesting when someone has that kind of power.

00:08:34.000 Yeah.

00:08:35.000 The consequences are just so great.

00:08:37.000 They're different than anybody else.

00:08:38.000 Because you never stop watching.

00:08:39.000 You never stop watching.

00:08:41.000 That fight with Tyson Fury, I mean, we saw the gap getting bigger in the points, but then that ninth round hit.

00:08:48.000 Yeah.

00:08:48.000 And he dropped him, and he's like, yeah, see, he can still do it.

00:08:51.000 And you're watching, watching, and then the twelfth round, he hit him, and then, you know, if you're a Wilder fan like me, you're jumping up, and you're celebrating, you know, your victory.

00:08:58.000 And then, fucking zombie gets up.

00:09:03.000 I'm so impressed.

00:09:04.000 Not only did he get up, he won the remaining part of the round.

00:09:07.000 He stung Wilder, had him back off.

00:09:10.000 I guess it could, but it doesn't really happen in MMA, where somebody just gets destroyed or dominate.

00:09:20.000 I guess in MMA it would be a bad beating in one round, and then the next round you come out and you're just fresh.

00:09:25.000 Because when he dropped him and when Fury got up, And he looked at him, you know, he was a little bit broken, but he was probably like, alright, I'm going to take this motherfucker out.

00:09:33.000 And then Fury put it on him a little bit.

00:09:36.000 And that probably, not broke his spirit, but that probably made him kind of shrink up a little bit.

00:09:41.000 Well, he got lit.

00:09:42.000 I mean, he definitely got stung.

00:09:43.000 He got cracked.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, and you see him, like his eyes roll back, he backed off a little bit, and then he grabbed a hold of Tyson.

00:09:48.000 I'm like, whoa, he got rocked.

00:09:50.000 Look, both guys are incredible.

00:09:52.000 Good conditioning, too, for heavyweights.

00:09:55.000 Yeah!

00:09:56.000 To take shots that late, because that's a lot about conditioning.

00:10:00.000 When you get tired, your brain's ready to shut off.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, and to be that big.

00:10:06.000 I mean, 6'9", 256 pounds, and still have that kind of conditioning.

00:10:11.000 Yeah.

00:10:12.000 And Wilder, to carry that knockout power in the 12th after being frustrated and just whiffing a lot for 12 fucking rounds, that exhausts you.

00:10:21.000 Yeah, the punches you miss, that takes so much off of you.

00:10:23.000 Yeah.

00:10:24.000 It takes so much.

00:10:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:26.000 It was just great all around.

00:10:28.000 It was just great.

00:10:29.000 What's the best boxing fight you can remember watching in your lifetime live?

00:10:34.000 Not in person, but just watching it as it happens.

00:10:37.000 Wow, that's a good question.

00:10:40.000 I think Julio Cesar Chavez versus Meldrick Taylor.

00:10:45.000 A lot of people say that.

00:10:46.000 I didn't watch that one live.

00:10:47.000 Oh!

00:10:48.000 Yeah.

00:11:10.000 That was one beating that just, he crossed over beyond the pale and went to the Darklands.

00:11:17.000 It's just not good after that fight.

00:11:19.000 So what do you think if, was it Richard Steele who was the ref?

00:11:23.000 I think it was.

00:11:24.000 So Steele doesn't start that fight in those last seconds and Meldrick Taylor wins on the cards.

00:11:32.000 Then what happens?

00:11:33.000 Is there a rematch?

00:11:34.000 And does he look the same?

00:11:37.000 Was he the same guy after that?

00:11:39.000 I think if he has a rematch, he's done.

00:11:41.000 He's done no matter what.

00:11:43.000 Remember when Terry Norris knocked him out after that?

00:11:45.000 He just did not look...

00:11:47.000 Like he could take a punch anymore.

00:11:48.000 That fight was so brutal.

00:11:50.000 If you watch that fight again, Chavez just constantly raking his body and clipping.

00:11:55.000 But Meldrick was just so fast and so skillful.

00:11:58.000 Like his movement and his speed.

00:12:00.000 But Chavez was just relentless.

00:12:03.000 It was a great fight.

00:12:04.000 It was a great fight.

00:12:05.000 I watched it after the fact.

00:12:07.000 But there's a few of those fights where you know that that was the one.

00:12:11.000 Where the guy's never going to be the same again.

00:12:12.000 Yeah.

00:12:14.000 You felt that way watching it?

00:12:16.000 No, I felt that way afterwards.

00:12:17.000 Watching it, you go like, what a great fight.

00:12:19.000 But then afterwards, you realize like, oh, that was it.

00:12:23.000 That was the fight.

00:12:24.000 I kind of felt that way.

00:12:25.000 Honestly, for MMA, I felt that way about Rory after the Rory-Robbie fight.

00:12:29.000 Because then he fought Wonderboy.

00:12:31.000 And I was like, yeah, he doesn't look the same.

00:12:33.000 Well, I think he was having real problems with his nose.

00:12:36.000 You know, his nose has been shattered a bunch of times and he just can't take a shot at it anymore.

00:12:42.000 It just starts bleeding really bad.

00:12:44.000 But I think physically the way he moves and his ability to take punches is still exactly the same.

00:12:49.000 Like you saw him in the Lima fight.

00:12:51.000 He looks good still.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, he does.

00:12:54.000 He fucked up taking that Musashi fight though.

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 Mousasi's too big.

00:12:58.000 Too big.

00:12:58.000 I thought the same thing.

00:13:00.000 Too good, too.

00:13:00.000 Exactly.

00:13:01.000 I mean, they have a lot of similar skill sets, and then the bigger guy.

00:13:06.000 Mousasi might be a little better, too.

00:13:08.000 Striking.

00:13:09.000 Yeah, he's definitely better with his striking.

00:13:11.000 His ground's no joke, either.

00:13:14.000 Musashi is just so good, man.

00:13:16.000 He's so good that, like, if I was in his corner, I'd be like, look, I get that you want to do a super fight.

00:13:20.000 I get that you want to do a challenge.

00:13:21.000 This guy's quite a bit bigger than you.

00:13:23.000 And really, really fucking good.

00:13:26.000 Like, Musashi might be the best 185-er in the world.

00:13:29.000 You think so?

00:13:30.000 If he's not, he's there.

00:13:31.000 He's with Whitaker.

00:13:32.000 He's with Yoel.

00:13:33.000 He's there.

00:13:35.000 There's a mix of them.

00:13:36.000 I really, really, like I have a whole lot of confidence in Whitaker.

00:13:39.000 Me too.

00:13:40.000 Quietly, he just kind of rose up to the top and I think people still sleep on him.

00:13:44.000 I think so too, but I gotta say that I was surprised at the decision in the Yoel Romero fight.

00:13:51.000 The second one, yeah.

00:13:52.000 I was like, I think Romero won that fight.

00:13:54.000 Yeah.

00:13:54.000 Or if not, won it.

00:13:55.000 It was so close, it had to be a draw.

00:13:58.000 It was so fucking close.

00:13:59.000 But I think Romero did way more damage.

00:14:02.000 He hurt him a couple times.

00:14:04.000 The thing about the Wilder fight, someone said to me, the scorecards were all fucked up, Tyson Fury should have won.

00:14:10.000 Maybe, yes.

00:14:11.000 Maybe I see what you're saying, if you're looking at it in terms of that.

00:14:14.000 But as a person who knows what a fight is...

00:14:18.000 Wilder clearly won the fight.

00:14:20.000 If it was a fight.

00:14:22.000 Who's getting fucked up?

00:14:24.000 In the schoolyard, Wilder won that.

00:14:26.000 He won.

00:14:26.000 And this is the Yoel Romero-Whitaker thing.

00:14:29.000 Who won the fight?

00:14:30.000 Whitaker's getting...

00:14:31.000 He got hit with bombs by Yoel.

00:14:35.000 Yoel hit him with some fucking haymakers.

00:14:38.000 And Whitaker survived.

00:14:39.000 But Whitaker never put Yoel in that same sort of situation.

00:14:42.000 Where Yoel was staggering around really badly hurt.

00:14:45.000 Look, Whitaker is a champ.

00:14:47.000 I mean, the skills, the heart, the courage, all those things.

00:14:51.000 I mean, he's got everything.

00:14:53.000 He's a champ.

00:14:54.000 But I felt like the damage done...

00:14:57.000 I hate the 10-point muscles.

00:14:59.000 Yes.

00:14:59.000 Especially for him and me.

00:15:00.000 I hate it.

00:15:01.000 I mean...

00:15:01.000 So stupid.

00:15:02.000 Doesn't make any sense.

00:15:03.000 You've got five-minute rounds.

00:15:04.000 You're only using 10 points.

00:15:05.000 Why?

00:15:06.000 Because it was already there?

00:15:07.000 Exactly.

00:15:08.000 That's the big thing for me because, I mean, we got aspects of jujitsu, we got aspects of wrestling, we got aspects of striking, boxing, and kickboxing, right?

00:15:15.000 And we're using a rule set from boxing only.

00:15:20.000 Yeah.

00:15:20.000 One set of weapons.

00:15:21.000 Yeah.

00:15:21.000 That's it.

00:15:22.000 And, like, how does that quantify the takedowns and the grappling exchanges?

00:15:27.000 Right.

00:15:27.000 I don't know.

00:15:28.000 I disagree.

00:15:30.000 I remember they had all these different systems they were trying to work and I feel like at one point, I think Doc Rivers maybe?

00:15:36.000 Doc Hamilton.

00:15:37.000 Doc Hamilton, sorry.

00:15:38.000 Doc Rivers is a basketball player.

00:15:41.000 Yeah, Doc Hamilton is an excellent system.

00:15:43.000 It's a half-point system.

00:15:44.000 Right.

00:15:45.000 Yeah, which was better.

00:15:47.000 Was better than what we're using now.

00:15:49.000 The pride system was better.

00:15:50.000 Yeah, the pride system was better.

00:15:51.000 Judge the fight as a whole, and the last part of the fight is more important than the first fight of the fight.

00:15:55.000 Right.

00:15:55.000 Because that kind of tells you the path that we're going on.

00:15:57.000 Schoolyard.

00:15:58.000 Right.

00:15:58.000 Who's on top?

00:15:59.000 Who's on top when the teachers get there?

00:16:01.000 Who's beating the dude down when the teachers get there?

00:16:02.000 Nobody cares if you're throwing leg kicks and boxing a guy up for 15 minutes, and then the teachers come right when the guy gets on top of you and is punching your face, and I want the decision.

00:16:11.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:16:12.000 The teachers pull that guy off you.

00:16:14.000 Yeah, and then you get rematches.

00:16:16.000 Rematches in school, they're fucking hard to swallow.

00:16:20.000 You gotta have balls to have that rematch in school.

00:16:23.000 Yeah.

00:16:23.000 You know what you're getting into, right?

00:16:25.000 Yeah.

00:16:26.000 No money.

00:16:27.000 All glory.

00:16:29.000 This has got to be a rematch for this fight, and it's going to be the biggest heavyweight fight of all time.

00:16:34.000 I mean, it's going to be jive-fucking-gantic.

00:16:36.000 And I'm happy for Wilder, because Wilder is finally a star.

00:16:40.000 I mean, forever we wanted an American heavyweight champion.

00:16:44.000 Yep.

00:16:45.000 Klitschko had it forever.

00:16:46.000 Now we have not only an American heavyweight champion, but we had an American heavyweight champion that knocks everybody the fuck out.

00:16:52.000 Knocks everybody the fuck out.

00:16:53.000 Super exciting.

00:16:54.000 Great guy.

00:16:55.000 For some reason, he didn't catch.

00:16:57.000 It's weird.

00:16:58.000 Who catches?

00:16:59.000 Who gets famous?

00:17:00.000 It's weird.

00:17:01.000 But then when you look at the post-fight interviews and Tyson Fury, you know, God bless me, God bless you, God bless America.

00:17:07.000 I mean, he got a lot of people on his side.

00:17:09.000 He's not American.

00:17:10.000 He's a great guy.

00:17:11.000 He's great.

00:17:12.000 I've got him in here.

00:17:13.000 He's great.

00:17:14.000 I mean, he's a real character.

00:17:15.000 He's a real deal.

00:17:16.000 Both of them are.

00:17:17.000 I mean, I'm fucking so excited about the rematch.

00:17:19.000 When do you think that happens?

00:17:20.000 It's gotta be a long time.

00:17:21.000 He got hit with some bombs!

00:17:23.000 If I was in Tyson's camp, I'd be like, dude, we gotta take some time off.

00:17:27.000 Yeah.

00:17:27.000 I know you feel great, and you're riding this high.

00:17:30.000 How about the guy donates all his money to charity?

00:17:32.000 Isn't that incredible?

00:17:33.000 That's ridiculously incredible.

00:17:35.000 Ten million dollars.

00:17:37.000 Ten million dollars.

00:17:38.000 Just donated it.

00:17:39.000 Is he gonna do that in the rematch, though?

00:17:40.000 No, no, no.

00:17:41.000 The rematch is $100 million.

00:17:44.000 10%.

00:17:44.000 He's making on that Floyd Mayweather money.

00:17:47.000 The rematch could be the biggest heavyweight title fight ever.

00:17:50.000 Yeah.

00:17:51.000 I mean, it's bigger than right now, especially with the way the world is.

00:17:56.000 It's bigger than Holyfield Tyson.

00:17:58.000 It's bigger than Bo Holyfield.

00:17:59.000 Yeah, it's bigger than Holyfield Tyson, I think.

00:18:01.000 Or right there, at least.

00:18:03.000 Right there.

00:18:04.000 It's hard to say because Tyson was such a cultural phenomenon.

00:18:07.000 There was no one like him.

00:18:09.000 When we were kids and when Tyson would fight, it would just be like watching a public execution.

00:18:14.000 And people would wonder, should I pay for this?

00:18:17.000 Should I get this pay-per-view?

00:18:18.000 How long is it going to last?

00:18:19.000 Yeah.

00:18:20.000 Have a bunch of people over popcorn and shit and it lasts 15 seconds.

00:18:23.000 What do you think the benefit of while they're having Tyson come into his next camp is?

00:18:31.000 Tyson, I mean, he's a student.

00:18:34.000 No, he knows boxing well.

00:18:35.000 Is he doing that?

00:18:36.000 I don't know.

00:18:37.000 But what would the benefit be?

00:18:39.000 Look, the benefit would be great.

00:18:40.000 Mike Tyson knows a lot about boxing.

00:18:43.000 I mean, he doesn't just know a lot about how he boxed.

00:18:47.000 The history.

00:18:48.000 But he knows so much.

00:18:50.000 I mean, that was like one of the big things, one of the big...

00:18:54.000 One of his stories about his childhood was him watching Jim Jacobs' old reel-to-reel films.

00:19:00.000 He'd watch all those old-school films, Joe Lewis and shit, and Jack Dempsey.

00:19:07.000 He patterned a lot of his style after watching those old-timers, Archie Moore.

00:19:12.000 Yeah, I mean, I think he could definitely help him.

00:19:15.000 I think, but the style of someone who could help Wilder would be someone who is going to incorporate more movement and more, like, switch up.

00:19:28.000 Like, don't always throw bombs.

00:19:30.000 You know who I would bring in if I was Wilder?

00:19:32.000 Andre Ward.

00:19:34.000 Andre Ward and Virgil Hill.

00:19:36.000 Have those guys tighten up what he does.

00:19:38.000 I think Andre Ward's one of the smartest guys in boxing.

00:19:41.000 How is he as an instructor, as a teacher?

00:19:44.000 He's too fucking smart to not be good at it.

00:19:47.000 He's too smart.

00:19:48.000 He knows too much about boxing.

00:19:49.000 He's one of my favorite analysts when he talks about fights, the way he breaks things down.

00:19:55.000 And he's a guy who really does find weaknesses and exploit them.

00:20:00.000 It's not just pushing buttons and throwing haymakers.

00:20:02.000 If you look at his rematch with Kovalev, he figured that fucking guy out.

00:20:07.000 He got hurt by him early in the first fight, but then won the remainder of the fight, and then won the decision, a little bit controversial, but then said, I know how to beat this motherfucker, and then came back in the second fight and stopped him.

00:20:18.000 Yeah, Andre Ward is...

00:20:21.000 And Virgil Hill.

00:20:22.000 That's old school.

00:20:23.000 Old school.

00:20:23.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.000 That would be a good fit, but there's a lot of good fits in boxing.

00:20:29.000 Boxing is an interesting thing is that they've had this long history of trial and error that MMA hasn't had.

00:20:38.000 You know, like you see, you see this, you know, you got lineage that goes back to the 60s and the 70s.

00:20:46.000 Yeah, lineage goes back way further than that.

00:20:49.000 Like Willie Pep.

00:20:50.000 Sure.

00:20:51.000 I mean, in terms of like active trainers.

00:20:53.000 Oh, yes.

00:20:54.000 And active gyms.

00:20:55.000 You know, I mean, these guys have been around forever.

00:20:58.000 They've been putting champions into rings for decades.

00:21:03.000 There's a lot of those guys out there.

00:21:05.000 I think about that too with Tyson.

00:21:07.000 If Costa Mato didn't die when he did, would Tyson's career have been different?

00:21:13.000 It probably would have.

00:21:14.000 It probably would have been different.

00:21:16.000 I think Kevin Rooney did his best to try to keep that teaching going.

00:21:21.000 Sometimes that mentor is the glue that keeps you together.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:26.000 Yeah, the other stuff.

00:21:27.000 That guy meant so much to Tyson because Custom Auto essentially gave him this new lease on life.

00:21:33.000 Yeah.

00:21:33.000 He thought he was going to be a loser and his life was going to be hell.

00:21:36.000 And then instead, he's the heavyweight champion of the world, the youngest ever.

00:21:40.000 You know?

00:21:41.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 But then, yeah.

00:21:43.000 Well, you know what?

00:21:44.000 Teddy Atlas had a very, very interesting take on Tyson.

00:21:48.000 He just felt like Tyson never developed the skills to overcome adversity.

00:21:53.000 So as long as he was dominating everyone, he was great.

00:21:55.000 But as soon as it started coming back in him, he would never recover from that.

00:21:59.000 You know, we call that in MMA. A bully.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, or a frontrunner.

00:22:03.000 Yeah, there's a lot of guys like that, right?

00:22:06.000 Yeah, they're good on top.

00:22:07.000 Yes, they're a good hammer, not such a good nail.

00:22:11.000 You've got to be able to take them both.

00:22:12.000 Yeah.

00:22:14.000 When you say hammer and nail, it reminds me of, like, there was something I was thinking when we were talking about Rory and Robbie.

00:22:19.000 Like, what it takes, how much pain you have to be in to be a fighter, to be a fighter of Rory's caliber, and then just sit down and concede.

00:22:28.000 Yeah.

00:22:29.000 Because, like, it hurts that much.

00:22:31.000 I think his face was shattered.

00:22:33.000 I think his nose was, like, broken into eight or nine pieces or some shit like that.

00:22:36.000 It was just mush.

00:22:38.000 And I just don't think he physically could go on anymore.

00:22:41.000 I've had breaks in training.

00:22:44.000 I've had breaks in fights.

00:22:45.000 I broke my jaw once training.

00:22:47.000 I was like, oh, that hurts.

00:22:48.000 And then I got hit again.

00:22:49.000 I was like, yeah, I can't do this.

00:22:51.000 Was it like a clean snap?

00:22:53.000 No, it was just a hairline.

00:22:55.000 But it hurt.

00:22:56.000 I couldn't chew.

00:22:57.000 I was crying the next day.

00:22:59.000 I didn't know it was broken until the next day.

00:23:02.000 And then, when I fought Ludwig, when Bang and I fought, I was on top, he was on his back, he throws a punch upwards, hits me right in the eyeball, and busts my orbital.

00:23:12.000 Yeah, you were talking about this the last time you were here.

00:23:14.000 That is crazy.

00:23:15.000 When he hit me though, I was like, that hurts.

00:23:18.000 I put my head down for a second, then I was like, I gotta tap this guy, I gotta tap this guy.

00:23:21.000 So I'm just trying to institute a jiu-jitsu game, and he's escaping all the time.

00:23:27.000 But the pain, it wasn't like, I want out.

00:23:30.000 For Rory to sit down and concede, I can only imagine.

00:23:34.000 Because I've been in pain in a fight.

00:23:36.000 Excruciating pain is like, I just got to figure this out and move on.

00:23:39.000 But he was just like, no, that's enough.

00:23:41.000 And it's Rory.

00:23:43.000 We know how tough he is.

00:23:44.000 Also, he's crazy.

00:23:45.000 This is a dude who you know.

00:23:48.000 You just kind of expect him to have bodies on him.

00:23:54.000 Did you see him when he was on the podcast?

00:23:55.000 No, I didn't see that episode.

00:23:57.000 He's not like you would think he is.

00:23:59.000 He's a great guy.

00:24:00.000 He is.

00:24:00.000 He's very warm and friendly.

00:24:02.000 He's awesome.

00:24:03.000 I sat next to him on the bus a bunch of different times.

00:24:06.000 We were just riding to the arena.

00:24:08.000 We've had a bunch of conversations.

00:24:09.000 I love him.

00:24:09.000 But when you see his demeanor or his persona when he's in front of the camera, he just seems very...

00:24:19.000 He's very serious.

00:24:20.000 Yeah, very serious and that killer-like.

00:24:23.000 That serial killer-like.

00:24:24.000 I mean, he is.

00:24:25.000 He's not done either.

00:24:26.000 I mean, I think the Musashi fight was a bad idea, but I still think he's one of the best welterweights on the planet.

00:24:32.000 100%.

00:24:32.000 I mean, he can come back to the UFC and threaten Tyron.

00:24:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:37.000 I think so.

00:24:38.000 I mean, he beat Tyron the first time, but that's a different Tyron.

00:24:42.000 Tyron with Duke Rufus is a different Tyron.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:24:46.000 He knows more now.

00:24:48.000 He's a champion now.

00:24:49.000 He's successfully defended his title several times now.

00:24:52.000 He's much better, too.

00:24:54.000 He still slows later in the fight, but it's drastically different than it used to be.

00:25:02.000 And what I would like to see out of Tyron is more use of all of his skills later on and not just looking to land that big right hand.

00:25:11.000 Because, like, Tyron can do everything.

00:25:14.000 Tyron can do everything, but there are those times when you see him start to really depend on that right hand and only look for that.

00:25:20.000 And he's like, right hand, right hand, wait, wait, right hand, right hand, right hand.

00:25:25.000 The thing about that right hand, though, is it works.

00:25:28.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:25:29.000 When you have something like Wilder's right hand or like Tyron's right hand, you have a right hand that could put anybody out.

00:25:38.000 I mean, I've brought up this stuff before, but think about it.

00:25:41.000 He fought Darren Till and he fought Wonderboy twice.

00:25:43.000 Those are two guys that are arguably the best strikers in the 170-pound division.

00:25:48.000 Fuck both of them up on their feet.

00:25:50.000 I mean, both fights, Wonderboy was on Queer Street.

00:25:54.000 And then in the Till fight, the only punch landed at all was by Tyron.

00:25:59.000 Right.

00:25:59.000 He cracks Till, drops him.

00:26:00.000 Till never touched him with a glove.

00:26:02.000 Drops him, beats the shit out of him, and then chokes him.

00:26:05.000 I think that was one of the best performances from Tyron.

00:26:08.000 He looked really good in that fight.

00:26:10.000 Really good.

00:26:11.000 He looked almost like disdainful, too.

00:26:14.000 Like, you know, you motherfuckers.

00:26:16.000 I can't believe you guys got him the betting favorite.

00:26:18.000 Yes.

00:26:19.000 Like, what is that shit?

00:26:20.000 He beats Cowboy Cerrone, a guy who's supposed to be fighting at 155 pounds.

00:26:24.000 It's tough as shit, but one big fight, and all of a sudden you guys have him the betting favorite?

00:26:29.000 This is preposterous.

00:26:30.000 Put some respect on my name.

00:26:31.000 Yeah, well, he's a polarizing figure for some reason.

00:26:37.000 I don't know why.

00:26:38.000 Maybe it's one of those things where guys have to catch.

00:26:42.000 Maybe it's like if Tyron had a GSP fight.

00:26:45.000 If GSP comes out of retirement and fights Tyron, Tyron smashes GSP, then maybe people will go, I wonder what Muhammad Ali was, because I wasn't there.

00:26:57.000 Everybody loves him now, but did they love him when he was running his mouth?

00:27:02.000 I'm sure people did.

00:27:04.000 I'm sure that he had the Conor McGregor fans, because he was that good.

00:27:10.000 But I wonder if there was this big contingent of people that were like, yeah, no, we hate that Muhammad Ali guy.

00:27:17.000 Well, he was really that good, but then he wasn't.

00:27:21.000 See, what happened was, what got really crazy with Ali was, they made him take three years off of fighting.

00:27:28.000 And during that three years, he was supposed to be fighting in Vietnam.

00:27:30.000 He's like, fuck you, I'm not going to Vietnam.

00:27:33.000 So they strip him of his title, and then he doesn't train.

00:27:35.000 I mean, when he came back, did you ever see his comeback fight?

00:27:38.000 Nope.

00:27:38.000 He came back against Jerry Quarry.

00:27:41.000 And I'm telling you, man...

00:28:04.000 See if you can find that.

00:28:07.000 I mean, and Jerry Quarry was just a super tough guy, just would walk forward and eat a bunch of shots.

00:28:13.000 But you look at his body, like it doesn't look the same.

00:28:16.000 See, look at his back.

00:28:18.000 He doesn't, I mean, he obviously went through a full camp to get ready for that, but he doesn't look like the Muhammad Ali of old.

00:28:24.000 And then when he's fighting, he doesn't move like the Muhammad Ali of old.

00:28:28.000 Those three years took a toll on him.

00:28:30.000 Like, look at his body.

00:28:31.000 It just doesn't look the same.

00:28:33.000 Yeah.

00:28:34.000 He looks a little smaller.

00:28:35.000 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 Smaller because he hasn't been training.

00:28:38.000 So he probably lost a lot of muscle, just looks smoother, and just doesn't look as quick or as good.

00:28:45.000 And he's fighting a guy that has no business in the ring with him.

00:28:49.000 He's fighting a guy that...

00:28:51.000 I mean, and he's a...

00:28:53.000 Jerry Quarry's a sad story when it comes to brain damage, too.

00:28:56.000 Like, the end of his career, the end of his life, rather, was horrible.

00:29:00.000 I mean, he had fought so many times against big punchers and was known for being able to take a punch.

00:29:07.000 And then also, I think, coming up, I think it was his brother's...

00:29:11.000 His brother also had, like, a real problem with brain damage.

00:29:15.000 I think they did a lot of real hard sparring together and a lot of hard sparring in the gym and...

00:29:21.000 The end of his life was awful.

00:29:22.000 I read an article about what it was like at the end for him.

00:29:25.000 And it was similar to what the end was like for Ali.

00:29:29.000 I don't know.

00:29:31.000 When someone says something, it makes me think of something else.

00:29:34.000 And you talk about Corey and his brother.

00:29:36.000 It made me think of Joe Lozon and Dan Lozon fighting in the yard.

00:29:40.000 When they would have those barbecues to beat the shit out of each other?

00:29:43.000 Like legit beat the fuck out of each other.

00:29:47.000 I don't know if I could do that to my family.

00:29:49.000 They had a different kind of friendship.

00:29:51.000 That's so funny.

00:29:52.000 It's crazy.

00:29:53.000 Those videos of Joe on top of him punching him in the head from behind.

00:29:56.000 I'm like, whoa, Joe.

00:29:58.000 That's your brother.

00:29:59.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:00.000 That's what I'm thinking.

00:30:01.000 It's like, that's not a stranger, man.

00:30:03.000 Yeah.

00:30:03.000 Well, you know, that's some of the toughest guys grew up with brothers.

00:30:06.000 There they are right here, beating the shit out of each other.

00:30:09.000 This is what I was thinking of.

00:30:10.000 The thing is, though, this is Massachusetts, man.

00:30:12.000 Massachusetts is a fucking hard-ass place.

00:30:16.000 And they are fighting.

00:30:18.000 I mean, they're full blast kicks and punches.

00:30:21.000 And then their entire family is watching, too.

00:30:25.000 And they're having a real legit MMA fight.

00:30:28.000 Yeah.

00:30:28.000 I mean, look at that.

00:30:29.000 What a bunch of psychos.

00:30:31.000 They got little girls watching and shit.

00:30:33.000 And they're on the grass, and he's beating the shit out of his brother.

00:30:38.000 And he's better, too.

00:30:40.000 What kind of psycho family are the Lozons?

00:30:42.000 Look at those little girls in front of the fucking car.

00:30:46.000 The whole family's sitting there.

00:30:47.000 Oh, Uncle Joe is beating the shit.

00:30:52.000 They put a soundtrack on it?

00:30:54.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:30:54.000 That's awesome.

00:30:56.000 Yeah, let's not watch this.

00:30:57.000 I like both these guys.

00:30:59.000 You got him in a triangle.

00:31:00.000 Oh.

00:31:02.000 About Tyron, though, like, I don't, I mean, look, when Ali was, the whole thing about him refusing to fight in the draft, like, people hated him.

00:31:12.000 There was a lot of people that hated him.

00:31:13.000 A lot of people that considered themselves patriots that thought, because before, we have to realize, like, now, pretty much everybody thinks the Vietnam War was a terrible idea.

00:31:21.000 Right.

00:31:21.000 The Gulf of Tonkin incident...

00:31:32.000 Right.

00:31:42.000 Back then, people thought he was a traitor, and he was aligned with Malcolm X. He changed his name from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali, and everybody was worried about the Black Panthers and the Black Muslims.

00:31:51.000 There was a lot of hate towards him, I'm sure.

00:31:54.000 And so then when he came back and he was not the same guy anymore, I'm sure people loved it.

00:31:58.000 They were happy.

00:31:59.000 They were happy when Joe Frazier beat him.

00:32:01.000 People were happy.

00:32:03.000 Yeah.

00:32:05.000 That's the human nature, right?

00:32:07.000 It is.

00:32:08.000 People pick sides.

00:32:09.000 Like you pick sides when Wilder knocked down Fury.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:13.000 We pick sides.

00:32:13.000 I mean, you don't know those guys, right?

00:32:15.000 No, but I'm also not going to hate on him.

00:32:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:18.000 That's the thing.

00:32:19.000 I'm not hating on Fury.

00:32:20.000 I wasn't like, fuck Fury.

00:32:22.000 No.

00:32:22.000 But you were also a successful professional fighter.

00:32:25.000 You're not just a regular hater.

00:32:27.000 You're just a dude watching fights.

00:32:28.000 I'm a special kind of hater, Joe.

00:32:32.000 You're a successful former fighter who fought in many different organizations.

00:32:36.000 Like, for you to be rooting on somebody, it feels different to me.

00:32:40.000 It's okay.

00:32:41.000 Okay.

00:32:42.000 I'm glad I got the stamp of approval.

00:32:44.000 If he just doesn't feel...

00:32:45.000 I get it.

00:32:46.000 You like a style.

00:32:47.000 I mean, who doesn't like knockouts?

00:32:48.000 Right?

00:32:49.000 Who the fuck doesn't like knockouts?

00:32:51.000 Everybody loves a knockout.

00:32:51.000 Gotta love them, man.

00:32:54.000 Jeremy Stevens is a guy I love to watch fight, right?

00:32:58.000 When I was fighting him, that's a different story, but watching him fight, yes, I want to see that every time.

00:33:04.000 But then when I'm fighting him, I want you to root for me.

00:33:07.000 Yes.

00:33:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:09.000 He had a terrifying style.

00:33:11.000 He still has a terrifying style.

00:33:12.000 He's just do or die.

00:33:13.000 If Jeremy connects, he's going to be fucksville.

00:33:16.000 And he carries that power deep, deep into a fight.

00:33:20.000 Remember when he was young and he fought RDA? Yes.

00:33:23.000 That uppercut?

00:33:24.000 That was a highlight reel uppercut for a long time.

00:33:29.000 Did you see the Usman fight?

00:33:31.000 RDA and Usman?

00:33:32.000 I saw the end of it.

00:33:33.000 The last round.

00:33:34.000 Usman's a motherfucker.

00:33:36.000 Usman's dangerous.

00:33:37.000 I was at Bellator.

00:33:38.000 I was at Bellator with Schilling and Bamba.

00:33:42.000 Did you see Schilling's fight?

00:33:43.000 Schilling looked great.

00:33:44.000 He looked great.

00:33:46.000 He looks like a completely different guy.

00:33:48.000 We were in the dressing room warming up.

00:33:51.000 He's warming up and he's hitting mitts.

00:33:53.000 And my first thought was, yeah, he looks like he's ready to defend some takedowns.

00:33:57.000 He's sitting low.

00:33:59.000 He's more comfortable.

00:34:01.000 He's a different dude.

00:34:02.000 He's very different.

00:34:03.000 He's got to that point where you...

00:34:07.000 It's not uncomfortable to wrestle.

00:34:09.000 He didn't know what to do for a long time.

00:34:11.000 And I've been gone for a while.

00:34:12.000 I came back and he was out there with Cowboy and Mickey and Jafari Vanir.

00:34:17.000 And those guys really helped him.

00:34:18.000 And I'm rolling with him and I'm like, oh, this is a different character now.

00:34:23.000 I'm like, this is not going to be easy.

00:34:24.000 I better tap him now while I can.

00:34:28.000 Well, he's a world-class kickboxer.

00:34:31.000 And when it comes to the stand-up game, he's going to have an advantage over almost everybody as long as he can defend takedowns and as long as he fights smart.

00:34:40.000 If he doesn't fight recklessly, which he has in the past, that Japanese fellow that knocked him out twice?

00:34:46.000 Yes.

00:34:47.000 What's that guy's name?

00:34:48.000 Kakuna?

00:34:49.000 No, that's not his name.

00:34:52.000 I'm horrible with Japanese names because they all sound the same.

00:34:54.000 That guy's a beast though.

00:34:55.000 That guy hits fucking hard.

00:34:57.000 That dude.

00:34:58.000 Joe hits hard.

00:34:59.000 Joe does hit hard.

00:35:00.000 Joe hits hard.

00:35:00.000 Asaki Kato?

00:35:01.000 Asaki Kato, yeah.

00:35:03.000 That guy is a beast though.

00:35:05.000 That guy fought him MMA and then fought him kickboxing.

00:35:07.000 I mean, that's what a beast that guy is.

00:35:09.000 And he's not really a kickboxer as much as he is an MMA fighter.

00:35:13.000 But Joe is turning into an MMA fighter.

00:35:16.000 You saw his hips?

00:35:17.000 For sure.

00:35:18.000 Dude, everything.

00:35:19.000 And on top, secured top position, held him, ground and pound was ferocious.

00:35:26.000 Real strikers have horrific ground and pound because they just can generate so much more power from the top.

00:35:32.000 It's just terrifying.

00:35:34.000 Yeah, now he knows how to control his hips when he's on the ground.

00:35:37.000 It's just a different story.

00:35:39.000 I want to see where he goes.

00:35:42.000 It's weird because now he's like a prospect in a different way.

00:35:45.000 Yeah.

00:35:46.000 Well, he just needed to fix that one piece of his game, and he fixed that one piece of his game, the grappling and the takedown defenses.

00:35:53.000 I want to see Joe get to the point where he's completely comfortable on the ground.

00:35:58.000 He's close to it.

00:35:59.000 And two or three years down the road, him and Stylebender.

00:36:05.000 Right?

00:36:07.000 Stile Bender's a special kind of dude.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, he is.

00:36:09.000 He's a special kind of dude.

00:36:10.000 That Derek Brunson fight showed it.

00:36:12.000 It's like, this is a special kind of dude.

00:36:14.000 I like that kid.

00:36:15.000 Yeah, he's fun to watch, man.

00:36:18.000 He's slick.

00:36:19.000 He's slick.

00:36:21.000 He's fighting Anderson next.

00:36:23.000 I don't like that.

00:36:24.000 For Anderson?

00:36:25.000 Yeah.

00:36:26.000 I don't like these fights where, like, I didn't like Yair and BJ. I don't like these fights where, like, these guys who've done so much for the game are kind of getting fed to the wolves in their twilight place.

00:36:37.000 But every now and then, you get a Shogun Tyson Pedro fight, which the fucking old lion roars again.

00:36:44.000 Right?

00:36:45.000 Did you see that fight?

00:36:46.000 I missed all the UFC fights this weekend because of Bellator and the boxing match.

00:36:50.000 Shogun returned from adversity, too.

00:36:52.000 He got hit hard in that fight.

00:36:54.000 He got staggered and fucked up.

00:36:55.000 Tyson poured it on, but couldn't keep it up, and then Shogun got him to the ground, smashed him up a bit, got him standing up, hit him with a big right hand at the end of the fight, dropped him, and then beat the fuck out of him on the ground.

00:37:08.000 It was, for me, when I saw that fight announced, Tyson Pedro versus Shogun, I was like, damn, Shogun's got another hard fight.

00:37:14.000 It's hard watching Shogun get knocked out a bunch of times, you know?

00:37:19.000 But he won.

00:37:20.000 And he won in a big way.

00:37:21.000 And he won in a war.

00:37:23.000 It was a war.

00:37:24.000 He's still a fucking badass, man!

00:37:27.000 How is Shogun still so goddamn aggressive, too?

00:37:30.000 Like, he's not slowed down.

00:37:32.000 It was, like, real frantic and aggressive.

00:37:35.000 It was awesome, man.

00:37:36.000 That's this thing inside you, right?

00:37:38.000 You can't get rid of that.

00:37:39.000 Well, some dudes, they lose a bit of it when they take too much punishment.

00:37:42.000 They lose some of the ferocity or some of the enthusiasm or whatever the fuck it is.

00:37:47.000 But one of the things I was watching that fight, I was like, God damn, Shogun's ferocious.

00:37:52.000 Still ferocious.

00:37:53.000 Just everything about it.

00:37:54.000 When he had the dude hurt, he was fucking pouring it on.

00:37:57.000 But he was pouring it on in a demonic way.

00:37:59.000 Like a monster.

00:38:01.000 Like he was enjoying it.

00:38:02.000 Like he was Shogun.

00:38:03.000 Like the Shogun of old, man.

00:38:05.000 Is this it?

00:38:06.000 Yeah, this is it.

00:38:07.000 I mean, he fought really well, too.

00:38:10.000 Like, his ground game was real solid.

00:38:12.000 His ground and pound was real solid.

00:38:14.000 But it was also, like, the exchanges.

00:38:17.000 He would be, when he would find openings, he was frantic and, like, real aggressive.

00:38:22.000 It was an awesome fight, man.

00:38:24.000 Yeah, man.

00:38:25.000 I had to fight past this.

00:38:27.000 Yeah, it was an FS1 thing.

00:38:29.000 I don't know, when did they put those FS1 fights on Fight Pass?

00:38:32.000 I think it's like a month.

00:38:34.000 Is that what it is?

00:38:35.000 I think.

00:38:35.000 Go further ahead of this, because this is a long period where Tyson was trying to secure Kimura.

00:38:42.000 You don't go overseas, right?

00:38:44.000 Not anymore, son.

00:38:46.000 No, those would cripple me, man.

00:38:48.000 Those fucking, those overseas things.

00:38:51.000 There's where you dropped them with the right hand.

00:38:53.000 Yeah.

00:38:54.000 They would wreck me for a week and a half afterwards.

00:38:57.000 I'd be exhausted.

00:38:59.000 Yeah.

00:38:59.000 Fly to fucking Brazil or fly to...

00:39:01.000 Australia's the worst.

00:39:03.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:39:04.000 I was like, Brazil, isn't that just like north-south pretty much?

00:39:06.000 It is, but it's still 16 hours on a plane.

00:39:09.000 Really?

00:39:09.000 Yeah.

00:39:10.000 Yeah.

00:39:10.000 You got to fly to Miami and then you got to fly 10 more hours to Rio.

00:39:14.000 It's 10 hours from Miami to Rio?

00:39:16.000 Yeah.

00:39:17.000 I didn't realize it was that far.

00:39:18.000 Yeah.

00:39:19.000 South America, son.

00:39:20.000 It's a whole nother country.

00:39:22.000 It's a different continent.

00:39:24.000 I loved being there.

00:39:26.000 I hated getting there.

00:39:27.000 I hated going home.

00:39:28.000 I hated how I felt afterwards.

00:39:29.000 And I'm just too busy.

00:39:31.000 It's too costly for me financially to take that much time off.

00:39:34.000 And it's also, it's just too hard for me physically.

00:39:38.000 So, if they compensated you for the time, it's still physically...

00:39:43.000 Nope.

00:39:45.000 That's the fuck you money, Joe.

00:39:46.000 Yeah.

00:39:48.000 Fuck you!

00:39:49.000 But you know what the other problem is, man?

00:39:52.000 This fucking TV and watching it on Fight Pass or doing Fight Companions, you know?

00:39:56.000 Yeah.

00:39:57.000 Those Fight Companions are the shit.

00:39:59.000 Yeah.

00:40:00.000 I did that one with you and Joe.

00:40:02.000 Yeah, we did one for Glory.

00:40:03.000 Yeah, we got to do another one.

00:40:04.000 Well, definitely.

00:40:05.000 Do one for UFC. Yes, yes.

00:40:07.000 Yeah, let's pick one.

00:40:09.000 You know what?

00:40:10.000 Where are you going to be for New Year's?

00:40:11.000 I'm going to be on vacation.

00:40:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:40:14.000 Well, I was going to say, man, if you're here, do a fight companion for the PFL finals.

00:40:19.000 Oh, for PFL. Yeah, so tell me about PFL. So you're doing commentary for the PFL? Commentary and Intellistrator.

00:40:25.000 And who else is doing it with you?

00:40:27.000 Randy and Boss.

00:40:28.000 What a combination.

00:40:30.000 What a fucking combination.

00:40:31.000 When I got that call and they were like, yeah, and the team is going to be you, Randy, and Boss.

00:40:35.000 I'm like, wait, you just put my name in the same sentence with those dudes as equals?

00:40:39.000 And it's like, for me, I get some fight fans maybe thinking, yeah, that makes sense.

00:40:44.000 But for me, I'm like, these are guys I looked up to.

00:40:48.000 And now I get to hang out with them and we're having a drink at the bar.

00:40:52.000 That's pretty amazing.

00:40:53.000 But listen, dude, you're a really good commentator.

00:40:55.000 Thank you, man.

00:40:56.000 You're a really good analyst, too.

00:40:57.000 I loved watching you in the Fox desk.

00:41:00.000 I loved the way you break down things.

00:41:03.000 You know, one of the cool things about that desk is you'll have, like, a Michael Bisping or you'll have Tyron or, you know, Kenny Florin, whoever it is.

00:41:10.000 Everyone's got their own idea of how to fight and what's important and what they think is going to be a problem in a fight.

00:41:18.000 That's such a great move to have these ex-fighters and continue to, you know, Cormier's always doing it, continue to have them explaining from their own experience.

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 Yeah, that was the first thing for me because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing.

00:41:36.000 I have no idea what it is that I'm doing, but it's just talking about fights.

00:41:40.000 And it's so much fun to be doing it with guys that are on that same level.

00:41:44.000 Because you're at home.

00:41:45.000 You probably do it when you're at home and you're not doing a fight companion, you're watching fights or maybe some friends are around and they ask you things about fights and you're like, you have to explain it to people who don't understand.

00:41:54.000 But when you're having a conversation with somebody who knows what's going on and then you can, especially when you come to a point where you disagree.

00:42:01.000 Yeah.

00:42:02.000 Because you have strong opinions why and you have strong arguments as to why you're right and why the other guy's wrong.

00:42:08.000 And I don't know, I love those moments, man.

00:42:11.000 I love having those things, especially being able to do that with guys who know what they're talking about.

00:42:15.000 Oh, it makes it so much more fun.

00:42:17.000 When you're doing it with guys who know what they're talking about, it's one of the cool things about Fight Companion, except when Brian Cowan starts talking.

00:42:23.000 Just kidding.

00:42:24.000 Just kidding, Brian.

00:42:25.000 Just kidding.

00:42:26.000 When you're doing it, everybody's got their own opinion of how something could go down or what's going to be a problem.

00:42:32.000 A lot of times you agree, like the Till-Tyron-Woodley fight.

00:42:35.000 Well, Till's chance of standing up.

00:42:37.000 That's it.

00:42:38.000 And, you know, if I was Tyron, I'd take him to the ground.

00:42:40.000 I mean, Tyron's a far better wrestler, far much more experienced.

00:42:44.000 But, like, there's some fights where you're like, man, like, here's one this weekend.

00:42:48.000 Brian Ortega, Max Holloway.

00:42:50.000 Who the fuck knows how that's gonna go?

00:42:52.000 Like, I've bounced that one around my head and people have come up to me on the street like, hey, man, who's gonna win this fight this weekend?

00:42:58.000 Like, especially Hawaiians.

00:42:59.000 Hawaiians are super excited for Max Holloway to win again.

00:43:03.000 I mean, he's the new BJ Penn, right?

00:43:05.000 Man.

00:43:05.000 It may be a different level.

00:43:07.000 Max Holloway is a motherfucker.

00:43:10.000 That's one of those fights.

00:43:11.000 Yeah, it's very hard to pick.

00:43:13.000 Was that even?

00:43:14.000 Like, it's pretty even?

00:43:15.000 It's gotta be.

00:43:16.000 I mean, let's see what the Vegas odds are.

00:43:18.000 By the way, I love the fact that you can actually gamble on fights now online.

00:43:22.000 Like, it's legal, basically, right?

00:43:24.000 You can kind of do it, right?

00:43:26.000 If you were a fighter, would you mind on yourself?

00:43:28.000 Depending on the state you're in.

00:43:29.000 Too much pressure.

00:43:30.000 I wouldn't want to think about it.

00:43:32.000 Unless I knew.

00:43:33.000 Unless the guy was a fucking asshole.

00:43:35.000 And he's like, I'm gonna go smash this dude.

00:43:39.000 It's very close.

00:43:41.000 They're both minus 105, minus 125, which would be Holloway as the favorite.

00:43:47.000 Slight favorite.

00:43:48.000 That makes sense.

00:43:49.000 That should be how it is.

00:43:51.000 Slight favorite, because he's the champion.

00:43:53.000 You know, it's interesting what Howie said.

00:43:55.000 He goes, it's kind of weird when the new thing is older than the current thing.

00:44:06.000 Because it's like, I'm younger, man.

00:44:08.000 I'm the fucking champ.

00:44:09.000 I beat Aldo.

00:44:10.000 I beat all these dudes.

00:44:10.000 I'm younger, and yet this guy is the new thing coming up to challenge me.

00:44:15.000 It's like, motherfucker, I'm the younger fighter.

00:44:17.000 It's kind of funny.

00:44:18.000 Yeah, I mean, we haven't seen something like...

00:44:22.000 Ortega a little bit in the featherweight division.

00:44:25.000 The guy submitting, like pulling these submissions off to the one with Cub.

00:44:30.000 I think that was beautiful.

00:44:32.000 He readjusted on that guillotine too.

00:44:34.000 That's probably the hardest submission to readjust.

00:44:38.000 One hand hanging on, readjusting, and then still sinking it in against Cub Swanson.

00:44:43.000 It's not like Brandon Bishop or whoever.

00:44:47.000 It's Cub Swanson.

00:44:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:44:49.000 That's crazy, man.

00:44:51.000 Well, he's a direct lineage, right?

00:44:55.000 He's real Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

00:44:57.000 He is Henner in Huron.

00:44:59.000 He comes from Horion.

00:45:02.000 That's school.

00:45:03.000 I mean, this is where Brian Ortega comes from.

00:45:05.000 He's direct from those mats.

00:45:06.000 And his technique is like razor blade.

00:45:09.000 It's so sharp.

00:45:11.000 It's so sharp and precise and so honed and just through drills and a constant emphasis on proper leverage and position.

00:45:19.000 I mean, there are sticklers to that old style of jiu-jitsu.

00:45:22.000 And some people, there's an unfortunate word that people like to use that sometimes pisses people off.

00:45:27.000 Like, Vidi Magalese used this to describe Minotauro.

00:45:30.000 And he didn't mean it in a negative way, but he meant the basics.

00:45:33.000 He's like, his jiu-jitsu is very basic.

00:45:35.000 And people go, fuck you, my jiu-jitsu is basic.

00:45:38.000 But the basic is like the best.

00:45:40.000 The fundamentals.

00:45:41.000 But there's guys that have those basics, like Haja Gracie.

00:45:46.000 His jiu-jitsu, he's mostly the basics.

00:45:49.000 He's not doing any crazy De La Riva shit or anything that you've never seen before.

00:45:53.000 Like, what was that?

00:45:54.000 The Barambolos.

00:45:55.000 He's not doing anything where he never saw it before.

00:45:57.000 It's strict guard pass, smashing on top, triangle, mount, arm triangle, arm bar.

00:46:04.000 Everything he does is classic jiu-jitsu.

00:46:06.000 But it's just so perfect.

00:46:09.000 Everything, the leverage and the weight and the emphasis on certain positions over others.

00:46:15.000 It's all basic, classic jiu-jitsu.

00:46:18.000 And that's Brian Ortega.

00:46:20.000 Yeah.

00:46:20.000 His jiu-jitsu is just so rock-solid fundamentals, you know?

00:46:25.000 He's all about fundamentals, though.

00:46:27.000 Yeah, man.

00:46:28.000 Even his box, he's not...

00:46:29.000 I don't believe he's as good a boxer as Max, but he's fundamentally sound, strong, and direct with his boxing.

00:46:36.000 I mean, he knocked out Frankie.

00:46:39.000 He knocked out Frankie.

00:46:40.000 He submitted Moicano, who I think is one of the dark horses in that division.

00:46:45.000 Renato Moicano is a fucking beast, man.

00:46:47.000 He's so good.

00:46:48.000 Mike Brown has nothing but praise for him, man.

00:46:51.000 He's like, that kid is legit.

00:46:52.000 He's going to challenge for that title, for sure.

00:46:54.000 I believe that.

00:46:55.000 I believe that.

00:46:56.000 And he's super respectful and intelligent, and everything about him I like.

00:47:01.000 I love his approach, the way he fights.

00:47:03.000 And in that fight, Ortega made him shoot.

00:47:08.000 Because he was beating him standing up, and he shot, and Ortega's like, thank you!

00:47:14.000 That guillotine is just a death grip.

00:47:17.000 He's just got a vice.

00:47:18.000 Just clamps down on your fucking life.

00:47:21.000 Yeah, man.

00:47:22.000 Like, now he's got to put you to sleep.

00:47:23.000 There's no room.

00:47:24.000 There's no room.

00:47:25.000 You're going to sleep or you're going to tap.

00:47:27.000 And he's a big kid.

00:47:28.000 He's like my size.

00:47:29.000 He's big.

00:47:29.000 He's a big kid.

00:47:30.000 He's big.

00:47:31.000 Max is big too.

00:47:32.000 Max is huge.

00:47:33.000 Max was 185 when they told him about the Khabib Nurmagomedov fight.

00:47:39.000 The horrible thing about that fight was that he lost all that weight really rapidly for no reason.

00:47:47.000 And then they wound up pulling him out of the fight.

00:47:49.000 The commission was like, fuck this, you can't fight.

00:47:51.000 And a lot of us at the time were like, why is the commission telling a champion whether or not he can make weight?

00:47:57.000 Let him try to make weight.

00:47:58.000 Get the fuck out of there.

00:47:59.000 You don't know what you're doing.

00:48:00.000 But then...

00:48:01.000 You find out after that, that when he was preparing for the first fight with Ortega, and he was experiencing these weird concussion-like symptoms, but they said he didn't have a concussion.

00:48:12.000 And then people were saying, no, this is weight loss.

00:48:14.000 This is rapid weight cutting.

00:48:16.000 His body is responding to the fact that he just went through this and now is trying to do it again, and his body is rejecting it.

00:48:21.000 So this is a bunch of theories.

00:48:23.000 There's not...

00:48:25.000 We're good to go.

00:48:44.000 Tomorrow's Thursday, the weigh-in's Friday.

00:48:46.000 He's only got a couple of days.

00:48:47.000 We don't know whether or not this is even actually going to happen, right?

00:48:51.000 What if he gets down to Thursday and Friday, and he's in the middle of the weight cut, and he starts blacking out, or he starts experiencing those symptoms again, they pull him out of the card.

00:49:00.000 Moikano's on standby, you know?

00:49:02.000 I did not know that.

00:49:03.000 Yeah, he's on standby for this fight.

00:49:06.000 Yeah, see, and then it becomes an interim title?

00:49:08.000 It must.

00:49:09.000 It has to.

00:49:10.000 They're not going to strip him.

00:49:11.000 But then what happens?

00:49:12.000 I mean, a guy like Max, I don't know.

00:49:16.000 It's one of those situations where it's like, if that happens multiple times, what do you have to do?

00:49:22.000 How much longer can you continue to fight at that weight?

00:49:24.000 I don't think he can continue to fight at that weight very much longer because I think he severely compromises himself getting down to 45. But he's been able to do it because he's a champion.

00:49:32.000 And I think if you do have a George Lockhart in your corner, a guy that gets you to do it scientifically and then rehydrate yourself scientifically, it can be done.

00:49:43.000 And you can pull it off and 24 hours later you can fight at a very high level.

00:49:47.000 But is that the way to go?

00:49:49.000 I mean, your kidneys start breaking down, your body starts getting beat up.

00:49:52.000 I mean, your organs don't want to get dried out like that.

00:49:56.000 Your brain doesn't want to get dried out like that.

00:49:58.000 Your muscles don't want to get dried out like that.

00:50:00.000 There's just no way you perform at your best when you're just at death's door 24 hours ago and now here you're fighting again.

00:50:08.000 Yeah.

00:50:09.000 I mean, Frankie, you know, when he was fighting at lightweight, you know, that kind of shows you that you can be the smaller guy and do well.

00:50:20.000 But it's weird because, like, now...

00:50:22.000 Frankie set a bar, and now guys reach that bar, so Frankie had to change weight classes.

00:50:29.000 It's a weird thing.

00:50:31.000 It's the fight game.

00:50:32.000 You try to get the best out of yourself, and you try to get the biggest advantage that you can, so the weight cut's going to always be an issue unless the weight classes are changed and or...

00:50:43.000 Weigh-ins become the same day.

00:50:45.000 Well, Josh Thompson just said recently that he thinks that the UFC is getting rid of the 125-pound division.

00:50:51.000 They're going to put on a 165-pound division, which I think is very interesting.

00:50:54.000 If they do do a 165, I would like them to switch 170 to 175. I think that would be wise.

00:51:00.000 I don't think it's wise to have a 65 and a 75, but I do think a 65 and a 75 is great.

00:51:05.000 Right.

00:51:06.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:51:07.000 10 pounds...

00:51:08.000 10 pounds is good across the board.

00:51:10.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:51:10.000 I think across the board.

00:51:11.000 I think we had every 10 pounds a weight class.

00:51:13.000 I mean, a lot of people don't like the boxing thing.

00:51:15.000 There's so many champions and so many weight classes, but who fucking cares?

00:51:20.000 Who cares?

00:51:21.000 Who cares that there's a welterweight and then a super welterweight?

00:51:23.000 Right.

00:51:23.000 Who cares that it's only 7 pounds difference?

00:51:25.000 This is more fights.

00:51:26.000 It's more fights.

00:51:27.000 It's more champions.

00:51:28.000 It's more champion versus champion.

00:51:30.000 I mean, don't you want to see that?

00:51:31.000 I want to see that.

00:51:32.000 Yeah, I want to see the best and the best.

00:51:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:35.000 We're getting some of the best of the best right now.

00:51:38.000 You get the number.

00:51:39.000 Let's say Kevin Lee, right?

00:51:41.000 Kevin Lee could be a 165-pound champion.

00:51:43.000 Yes.

00:51:43.000 And probably that's his weight class, too, really.

00:51:45.000 He probably struggles to make 155. He's a big fella.

00:51:47.000 He's a big dude.

00:51:48.000 But then...

00:51:50.000 You can't do it anymore, but Tyron wrestled at 165. Imagine if he was still that age, and he could fight at 165. I bet Tyron can make 65. I bet Tyron can make 65. I think he can make 65. I definitely think he could fight at 75 and be at his best, and I think he could also fight at 85. I think Tyron has legitimate potential to be a three-division champion.

00:52:09.000 He should start rallying for that 65-pound weight class.

00:52:14.000 Nobody listens to me anymore, man.

00:52:15.000 If they listened to me, Melvin Manhoff would have been in the UFC back in 2002. Yeah.

00:52:20.000 They listen to me sometimes.

00:52:21.000 I think they listen to me with Ben Askren.

00:52:24.000 Finally.

00:52:24.000 I'm going to go on record, and I'm going to say I'm a big reason why Ben Askren got in the UFC. I brokered a meeting between him and Dana White.

00:52:31.000 Okay.

00:52:32.000 Dude, I put it together.

00:52:33.000 I called Dana.

00:52:34.000 I said, look, he's a good guy, man.

00:52:35.000 He's talking shit, but everybody talks shit.

00:52:37.000 Like, come on.

00:52:38.000 I'm like, the guy's undefeated.

00:52:40.000 And he was like, when Ambien wants to go to sleep, it takes Ben Askren.

00:52:45.000 And I'm like, it's fighting.

00:52:47.000 See, the thing about fighting is, it's not a matter of what's exciting to watch.

00:52:54.000 For a person like you, a person like me, who's like, sitting by, how is this going to play out?

00:52:58.000 I want to see.

00:53:00.000 What's going to work?

00:53:01.000 What works?

00:53:02.000 Yeah, I get that.

00:53:03.000 Yeah, I want to see what works.

00:53:05.000 When I see a guy like Ben Askren, I want to see what works.

00:53:08.000 Whoa, he's a 3-1 favorite over Robbie Lawler.

00:53:10.000 Holy shit.

00:53:11.000 That's crazy.

00:53:12.000 They just added another fight to this card.

00:53:14.000 Listen, man, you can't sleep on Robbie fucking Lawler.

00:53:19.000 Don't sleep on Robbie Lawler.

00:53:21.000 That's crazy.

00:53:22.000 That's crazy.

00:53:23.000 3-1?

00:53:24.000 3-1 is horrible.

00:53:26.000 Dude, Robbie Lawler can wrestle?

00:53:27.000 Yes, he can wrestle.

00:53:28.000 Robbie Lawler's been shutting people's lights out since the fucking early 2000s.

00:53:32.000 So that's a decent bet, then?

00:53:33.000 It's a fucking very good bet.

00:53:35.000 I would take the Robbie Law to bet.

00:53:36.000 Especially him being...

00:53:38.000 3-1?

00:53:39.000 Yeah.

00:53:40.000 100 to make 300?

00:53:41.000 Well, it's plus 230, so you'd win 230. Oh, he's a 3-1, so you'd have to bet 3 to win 1 on Askren.

00:53:48.000 Right, correct.

00:53:49.000 Yeah, I'd take that bet.

00:53:51.000 It's a good bet, but I like Askren's chances because I think that wrestling's just on another level.

00:53:58.000 That's the fight.

00:53:59.000 Here's the fight.

00:54:00.000 165 Khabib Ben Askren.

00:54:07.000 I guess Ben can make 65. 100% he can make 65. 100%.

00:54:11.000 100%.

00:54:11.000 He wants to make 65 because he's good friends with Tyron, and he's like, I'll be the 65-pound champ, Tyron be the 70 or 75, whatever they decide to go with.

00:54:19.000 That's the fight, man.

00:54:21.000 Khabib versus Ben Askren.

00:54:22.000 Because I'm telling you, man, Ben Askren, they just put his face on the camera the other day while he was in the crowd, and the audience went crazy.

00:54:29.000 He hasn't even fought in the UFC, and they love him.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:33.000 Real fight fans know who that guy is.

00:54:34.000 They know who he is now.

00:54:35.000 They know who he is now.

00:54:36.000 It's like he's been building momentum.

00:54:38.000 The hardcore fans absolutely are excited that finally this undefeated phenom of a wrestler is fighting in the UFC. Yeah.

00:54:46.000 I would pay money to watch him.

00:54:49.000 Fuck yeah.

00:54:50.000 For sure.

00:54:51.000 Fuck yeah!

00:54:51.000 A lot of money.

00:54:52.000 Woo!

00:54:53.000 I'll fly to Russia for that fight.

00:54:56.000 You think that's where they have it?

00:54:57.000 Fuck!

00:54:58.000 I don't know, man.

00:54:58.000 I'm going to fly to Russia.

00:54:59.000 And commentate that flight?

00:55:01.000 Yeah, and as soon as I get to my hotel room, I'm going to have one of them things that checks for bugs.

00:55:06.000 I'm going to check for hidden cameras.

00:55:10.000 Check for Putin.

00:55:13.000 What's that?

00:55:13.000 It's going to light up like a Christmas tree.

00:55:15.000 Yeah, it probably would, right?

00:55:16.000 The whole house is a fucking bug.

00:55:18.000 Yeah, man.

00:55:19.000 I think that's a fight that I'm very, very excited about.

00:55:23.000 Because right now, Khabib, the number one fight for Khabib, I believe, is Tony Ferguson.

00:55:29.000 I think that's a big fight.

00:55:30.000 Giant fight.

00:55:31.000 I'm real excited about that.

00:55:33.000 I like that.

00:55:33.000 I heard rumors, and I've spoken to Dustin, of that whole Tony and Khabib, Dustin and Conor winners fight each other.

00:55:42.000 I heard that too, but here's the cynical part of me.

00:55:45.000 I know that Nate Diaz was supposed to be fighting Dustin, but Dustin had to pull out with a hip injury.

00:55:51.000 So I'm like, okay, well how bad is his hip injury and when is that going to heal up?

00:55:55.000 You know, and is it going to heal up?

00:55:57.000 Or is it going to be a reoccurring thing?

00:55:59.000 And them saying that Dustin is going to step in and he's going to fight Conor...

00:56:04.000 That is a good fight, but does that make Nate Diaz go, what?

00:56:08.000 And does that make Nate Diaz come back to the bargaining table?

00:56:13.000 Because that's the big money fight.

00:56:15.000 If I was a promoter, I'm not a promoter, if I was a promoter, I'd be like, Nate, what do we got to do?

00:56:20.000 We got to get weed?

00:56:21.000 We got to get girls?

00:56:21.000 What do I got to do?

00:56:22.000 You want a new bike?

00:56:23.000 What the fuck do I got to do?

00:56:25.000 What do we got to do?

00:56:27.000 Do we have a girl deliver weed on a new bike?

00:56:33.000 For real, if you wanted to make money, and that's what I presume they all want to do.

00:56:38.000 The reason why they want to have Brock Lesnar fight DC is because they want to make a shit ton of money, right?

00:56:42.000 Nate motherfucking Diaz!

00:56:45.000 You want to make money?

00:56:47.000 You call Nate motherfucking Diaz.

00:56:49.000 Go party with him.

00:56:51.000 Become his good friend.

00:56:53.000 Lighten him up.

00:56:54.000 Give him what he wants!

00:56:56.000 Give him a lot of money!

00:56:57.000 That's a good fight.

00:56:58.000 I mean, we saw it twice, you know?

00:57:01.000 It's not just a good fight.

00:57:02.000 It's a gigantic, like, fan-friendly spectacle of an experience.

00:57:08.000 Nate Diaz doesn't take any bullshit.

00:57:10.000 You can't trash talk him.

00:57:12.000 It doesn't work.

00:57:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:14.000 It doesn't work.

00:57:14.000 It works the opposite way.

00:57:16.000 It works the opposite way.

00:57:18.000 Like, when Conor shit-talked Nate, Nate was like, fuck you!

00:57:21.000 And I was like, what?

00:57:22.000 Like, it didn't work!

00:57:23.000 I ain't gonna lie, man.

00:57:24.000 One of my favorite Nate fights was him and Cowboy.

00:57:26.000 Oh!

00:57:27.000 Oh, that was a great fight.

00:57:28.000 He got in Cowboy's head.

00:57:29.000 He did.

00:57:30.000 That was a good lesson for Cowboy, though.

00:57:32.000 It was an important fight for him in terms of the path of his career.

00:57:35.000 Yeah.

00:57:36.000 Yeah, he grew something from that.

00:57:37.000 Yeah.

00:57:38.000 But that third round, when Nate's standing there flipping him the bird.

00:57:42.000 How good did Cowboy look against Mike Perry?

00:57:44.000 Holy shit!

00:57:45.000 It's a new Cowboy.

00:57:46.000 Yep.

00:57:47.000 He looked different, man.

00:57:48.000 He looked different.

00:57:49.000 Just everything looked smooth and just like a goddamn executioner.

00:57:54.000 I heard rumors of that, too.

00:57:55.000 I heard rumors of Cowboy and Connor.

00:57:57.000 That's a fight that I would make.

00:57:59.000 I would make that fight.

00:58:00.000 That's a fight.

00:58:01.000 That's a fucking exciting fight.

00:58:03.000 And that's also a big sell.

00:58:04.000 You could sell the shit out of that fight.

00:58:06.000 That's a big fight.

00:58:09.000 But Cowboy has not been fighting at 55. He's been doing the majority of his fights.

00:58:16.000 That's another 165 pounder.

00:58:18.000 How many fights did he fought?

00:58:20.000 Till, he's fought.

00:58:22.000 Masvidal.

00:58:23.000 Those are all 70s.

00:58:24.000 They're all 70 fights.

00:58:25.000 Wow.

00:58:26.000 Yeah, Perry.

00:58:28.000 Are there only those three or was there another one?

00:58:30.000 Leon.

00:58:31.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:58:32.000 Leon Edwards.

00:58:33.000 Yeah, so those are all 70s.

00:58:36.000 Yeah, I don't think he's fought 55 in quite a while.

00:58:39.000 I think he can still make it though.

00:58:40.000 It's not a big 70, you know?

00:58:42.000 Yeah.

00:58:43.000 I think he was talking about going back to 55. Didn't he say something to you about that?

00:58:47.000 And if they do have a 65-pound weight loss, I mean, shit.

00:58:52.000 That's where he sits, for real.

00:58:53.000 Shit.

00:58:56.000 There's a lot of great fights at 65. Cowboy and Kevin Lee.

00:59:00.000 Dude, anybody in Kevin Lee.

00:59:01.000 Kevin Lee's a beast, man.

00:59:03.000 He's something special.

00:59:04.000 I think Kevin Lee's one of those dudes, you don't see him fight for six months, and then he gets in there, and you've got a whole different animal in front of you.

00:59:10.000 You've got a guy with new skills, new momentum, new experience.

00:59:15.000 He's just in that, I think he's 25 right now, he's in that peak, prime, learning, growing, confidence part of his career.

00:59:23.000 You know, where he's just a monster right now.

00:59:27.000 I don't know, man.

00:59:28.000 Those guys are so much bigger than the guys from my day.

00:59:33.000 I know.

00:59:33.000 At 55?

00:59:34.000 Yeah.

00:59:35.000 Kevin walks around 190 pounds.

00:59:37.000 Yeah.

00:59:37.000 Big guy.

00:59:38.000 I'm retired.

00:59:39.000 I'm retired.

00:59:40.000 I'm no longer in this.

00:59:42.000 I don't worry about my weight as much.

00:59:44.000 And I stand next to these guys and they're still bigger than me.

00:59:47.000 Yeah.

00:59:47.000 It's like, how is that?

00:59:49.000 Why is that?

00:59:50.000 Well, you know what's the craziest?

00:59:51.000 DC. Yeah.

00:59:53.000 You stand next to DC, he's like 5'10".

00:59:54.000 Yeah.

00:59:55.000 5'10".

00:59:56.000 And he's like, he could be a middleweight.

00:59:58.000 He could be a middleweight.

00:59:59.000 Picks up heavyweights, tosses him around, slams dudes.

01:00:02.000 You know?

01:00:03.000 I mean, when you see him with Derek Lewis, you're like, Derek has no business being in there with this dude.

01:00:07.000 And Derek is a legit 265 murderer.

01:00:10.000 Yeah.

01:00:10.000 Knockout puncher from hell.

01:00:12.000 And no business being there with DC. Nope.

01:00:15.000 But then you saw that guy win.

01:00:19.000 DC's trading partner at the Affliction.

01:00:21.000 Not Affliction.

01:00:22.000 At the...

01:00:24.000 Tito Chuck fight.

01:00:25.000 Oh.

01:00:26.000 He fought Tom Lawler.

01:00:27.000 Oh, I didn't see that fight.

01:00:29.000 Oh.

01:00:29.000 Yeah, he's like 5'6".

01:00:32.000 Really?

01:00:33.000 Yeah.

01:00:34.000 5'6", 205. What is he, 85 or 205?

01:00:36.000 205. Really?

01:00:37.000 Yeah.

01:00:37.000 5'6"?

01:00:38.000 Yeah.

01:00:38.000 Who is he?

01:00:40.000 I forget his first name.

01:00:41.000 Wynn is his last name.

01:00:42.000 He fought Tom Lawler.

01:00:44.000 He's 5'6", 205. He trains to DC. DC's like, yeah, this guy takes me down.

01:00:47.000 What?

01:00:48.000 Yeah, he's a good wrestler.

01:00:49.000 But it's funny because he sprawled on Tom Lawler, but he's on his feet.

01:00:53.000 Like, he's standing, but Tom Lawler's on his knees.

01:00:55.000 Like, on his knees, upright.

01:00:57.000 Wow.

01:00:58.000 And this kid sprawled, I guess, yeah, I guess I'm older than him.

01:01:00.000 This kid sprawled on his head.

01:01:02.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 But he can box, too.

01:01:04.000 He's little.

01:01:05.000 He looks a little awkward.

01:01:07.000 He looks like a guy, you're in a Walmart parking lot, you talk shit to him because he's little?

01:01:12.000 Yeah.

01:01:12.000 Fuck you up, man.

01:01:14.000 Do you remember Dwight Muhammad Kawi?

01:01:17.000 No.

01:01:17.000 He used to be Dwight Braxton.

01:01:19.000 He was the light heavyweight champion way back in the day.

01:01:22.000 And then he fought Evander Holyfield as a cruiserweight.

01:01:26.000 And Kawi was 195. He was 5'7".

01:01:32.000 He was just a tank of a man.

01:01:34.000 And he would come at you like this.

01:01:35.000 Just real low.

01:01:37.000 He would get even lower.

01:01:38.000 He was a tough, tough guy, man.

01:01:41.000 And real thick.

01:01:43.000 You didn't see many dudes that were that thick back then.

01:01:46.000 And he would wear his trunks way up high, so you'd have like this much body to hit, and it was all just jacked.

01:01:53.000 It's like the strike zone.

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:54.000 Yeah, he's making it smaller.

01:01:55.000 He was one of the first big tests for Evander Holyfield.

01:01:58.000 Yeah.

01:01:59.000 Dwight Muhammad Kawi from Camden, New Jersey.

01:02:01.000 The Camden Buzzsaw.

01:02:02.000 That feels...

01:02:04.000 Like, I feel like I've heard of that, but I don't remember anything.

01:02:09.000 I feel like I've heard the name and everything.

01:02:10.000 Holyfield versus Kawi.

01:02:11.000 Kawi, you spell it with a Q. You talk about that, man.

01:02:15.000 Q-A-W-I, I think.

01:02:17.000 How do you spell Kawi?

01:02:18.000 Is that it?

01:02:19.000 Q-A-W-I? Yeah, I find the other guy, too.

01:02:23.000 It's Darren Wynn.

01:02:24.000 How do you have a Q with no U? Different language.

01:02:27.000 Yeah, what is that?

01:02:28.000 Q-A-W-I. It's an English rule.

01:02:30.000 Yeah, Q always has a U, right?

01:02:34.000 In English, yeah.

01:02:36.000 Doesn't it?

01:02:39.000 You start with a Q. See if you get into that.

01:02:44.000 Yeah, see, this is...

01:02:45.000 He would fight real low.

01:02:47.000 He's just a tank of a dude.

01:02:49.000 Yeah.

01:02:53.000 And he was all bobbing and weaving and always ducking under.

01:02:56.000 And big punches.

01:02:56.000 And this is Evander Holyfield fresh out of the Olympics.

01:02:58.000 He had had a few boxing matches, but he wasn't the Evander Holyfield that we think of when he won the heavyweight title.

01:03:08.000 And this is also before he started training with Mackie Shillstone.

01:03:11.000 And Mackie Shillstone put a lot of muscle on him.

01:03:14.000 Made him a lot bigger.

01:03:15.000 He was a 195 pounder back then.

01:03:17.000 See how much thinner he is?

01:03:19.000 But see, this is the style of Kawi, that bobbin and weaving style.

01:03:22.000 See how Evander's having a hard time hitting him.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, you move your head, protect your body when you're that small.

01:03:28.000 And he was giving you all forehead.

01:03:30.000 And it was a big old bald forehead too.

01:03:31.000 So he's just like...

01:03:33.000 He's like coming at you all forehead first.

01:03:36.000 Just a real skillful old school boxer though.

01:03:39.000 And them socks.

01:03:40.000 Old school stripes.

01:03:42.000 Stripes on the calf.

01:03:43.000 Pull they up?

01:03:45.000 All the way up.

01:03:47.000 I used to love watching these old boxing matches.

01:03:49.000 This is something I really miss, man, that boxing used to be on TV. Wide world of sports, you know?

01:03:55.000 They're showing, actually, Lomachenko, like the best of Lomachenko, too, last night on ESPN, too.

01:04:00.000 Well, he fights on ESPN. You know, ESPN is doing some serious world championship fights.

01:04:05.000 ESPN has really stepped up, especially now that HBO has gotten out of the game.

01:04:10.000 It's...

01:04:11.000 I mean, it's in a precarious situation.

01:04:12.000 I don't know why HBO decided to get out of the boxing game.

01:04:15.000 It's kind of crazy to me.

01:04:16.000 Yeah.

01:04:17.000 And after all those years of covering the greatest fights ever, HBO decided to just pull out.

01:04:21.000 Yeah, I know.

01:04:22.000 The guy that started that, or not started, but the guy who's like the pay-per-view model creator, Mark Taffet, he left.

01:04:29.000 And I don't know if that had something to do with it.

01:04:32.000 I'd imagine it has to be a profitability thing.

01:04:35.000 I think that's the only thing that makes sense.

01:04:36.000 It has to be that they were losing money.

01:04:39.000 I mean, you've got to think the production is huge, right?

01:04:41.000 You've got all these cameras and all this thing, and they're there live.

01:04:43.000 They've got to get the trucks, the production trucks.

01:04:46.000 Live sports is probably an extremely expensive thing to pull off.

01:04:51.000 You know?

01:04:52.000 Yeah.

01:04:53.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

01:04:54.000 But they were the best at it.

01:04:55.000 Lampley and Kellerman.

01:04:57.000 I mean, fucking commentary.

01:04:58.000 Roy Jones Jr. doing commentary with them sometimes.

01:05:01.000 Andre Ward.

01:05:02.000 You know, they had some of the best fights ever.

01:05:05.000 The best team ever.

01:05:06.000 I like Roy Jones Jr. I loved Roy Jones Jr. He's awesome.

01:05:09.000 Trying to get him in here, too.

01:05:11.000 Shit.

01:05:11.000 You know, because do you know what's happening with him?

01:05:16.000 Michael B. Jordan's talking about how he could box Roy Jones.

01:05:19.000 Yeah.

01:05:22.000 I love your reaction.

01:05:24.000 Yes.

01:05:24.000 It's hilarious.

01:05:25.000 Yes.

01:05:26.000 That's funny.

01:05:26.000 I love...

01:05:28.000 I love a cocky, robust young man who's delusional.

01:05:35.000 You gotta add that caveat.

01:05:37.000 He's delusional!

01:05:38.000 I mean, he's a fucking beast if you look at his body, right?

01:05:41.000 Michael Jordan is just jacked, full six-pack, built like a Greek god.

01:05:47.000 But son, stop it.

01:05:49.000 Creed's a movie.

01:05:50.000 It's a movie, man.

01:05:52.000 I know you felt good hitting those pads.

01:05:54.000 I know you look good.

01:05:55.000 Look at him.

01:05:57.000 Roy Jones Jr. will light you up like a Christmas tree in Times Square.

01:06:00.000 Why is Dennis Rodman in this corner?

01:06:01.000 I don't think that's Dennis Rodman.

01:06:02.000 I know.

01:06:03.000 Look, it's his brother.

01:06:03.000 He looks just like...

01:06:05.000 I mean, he's jacked for sure.

01:06:08.000 He looks good, but listen, it'd be a terrible disaster.

01:06:12.000 Check out my segway.

01:06:13.000 Like, if he thinks he's that tough, he should come fight in PFL for a million dollars.

01:06:16.000 Ah!

01:06:17.000 So what is the deal with PFL and the million dollar thing?

01:06:20.000 Is it for each individual weight class?

01:06:23.000 Yes.

01:06:24.000 So on New Year's Eve, there's a ten million dollar prize pool.

01:06:28.000 All the winners, the six winners of their championship fights get a million dollars.

01:06:33.000 Wow.

01:06:33.000 So three fights for a million dollars because of the playoffs fights, right?

01:06:36.000 The playoffs are cool too though because once you make the playoff...

01:06:40.000 If you lose in the quarters, it's guaranteed 50. If you lose in the semis, that's 100. And then the finals are the winner gets a million, the loser 200. Still good.

01:06:49.000 Still good money, right?

01:06:51.000 I'm happy to see how good Vinny's doing.

01:06:53.000 Vinny Magalhas is a beast.

01:06:55.000 He's a completely different guy, man.

01:06:57.000 He is.

01:06:58.000 You know, he always had some of the best jujitsu you're ever going to see in MMA, period.

01:07:04.000 But then his striking wasn't up to par, but now it is.

01:07:08.000 His striking was good.

01:07:09.000 I mean, he won...

01:07:11.000 Two fights because of his striking.

01:07:12.000 One with strikes and one by setting it up with his striking.

01:07:16.000 Vinny, he's really working at it.

01:07:19.000 He says he claims to be training four times a day for this and he looked that way.

01:07:24.000 He didn't get out of the first round.

01:07:25.000 Each fight got longer and the longest fight was like 2 minutes 33 seconds or something like that for Vinny.

01:07:31.000 His jiu-jitsu is on another level.

01:07:33.000 I mean, Vinny Magalice is one of...

01:07:34.000 Just forget about MMA. He's one of the best in his weight class on the planet Earth in jiu-jitsu.

01:07:40.000 I mean, he's a monster.

01:07:41.000 Do you ever see when he fly an armbar at Peta Pano?

01:07:43.000 No.

01:07:44.000 Dude.

01:07:45.000 Dude, when you fly an armbar, a world champion like Peta Pano, I mean, Vinny just, they tie up, and Vinny just throws his 220-pound body up in the air and snatches his arm out of nowhere, flips him over on his back, and Peta Pano tapped out,

01:08:01.000 and he was like, FUCK! Finny's a ninja.

01:08:03.000 He's a bad motherfucker, dude.

01:08:05.000 Yeah, his jiu-jitsu is really on.

01:08:07.000 I think that is the second fight that I'm looking to the most for the finals.

01:08:15.000 Then that Ray Cooper, the third.

01:08:17.000 Dude, he's another one.

01:08:18.000 5'7".

01:08:19.000 Haymakers!

01:08:21.000 Vicious.

01:08:22.000 Why did they make Jake Shields fight that dude again?

01:08:26.000 It's just how it played out.

01:08:27.000 That's crazy how it played out.

01:08:28.000 Being the number 8 seed, right?

01:08:29.000 You get smashed by Ray, and then he's got to fight him again.

01:08:33.000 Yeah.

01:08:33.000 And it's like, he didn't have much time in between them.

01:08:37.000 To improve, right?

01:08:37.000 It's like five months?

01:08:38.000 Not even five months.

01:08:39.000 Four months?

01:08:40.000 It was like, let me see, the first one happened in like July, and the second one was October.

01:08:45.000 July, August, September, three months, yeah.

01:08:47.000 How crazy is it that Jake fought his dad?

01:08:50.000 Jake fought his dad 14 years ago.

01:08:51.000 Yeah.

01:08:52.000 And then, when they were scheduled to fight the first time, Jake is the favorite.

01:08:56.000 Because we know who Jake Shields is.

01:08:59.000 We don't know who Ray Cooper III is.

01:09:00.000 We don't know.

01:09:01.000 State champion wrestler.

01:09:04.000 Haymakers.

01:09:04.000 It's like a truck.

01:09:05.000 Dude!

01:09:06.000 I mean, he's just a tank of a man.

01:09:08.000 And when you see him in there, he doesn't look as small as...

01:09:10.000 Like, when they stand next to him and talk to him, it's like his short, stocky guy.

01:09:14.000 Yeah.

01:09:14.000 But then, when he's in there against Jake Shields...

01:09:18.000 I don't know, that persona, that attitude, that personality, he's coming forward, and Jake's backing up, and it makes him look bigger than he is.

01:09:25.000 Well, he's only 5'7", but Jesus fucking Christ, he hits so hard.

01:09:28.000 Yeah, he does.

01:09:29.000 He's terrifying.

01:09:30.000 And he's got crisp technique.

01:09:32.000 It's not just throwing wide, looping, fucking ridiculous punches, like Ricardo Mayorga or some shit, that if they hit you, you're fucked.

01:09:40.000 No, he's throwing everything with great technique.

01:09:43.000 He's a monster.

01:09:44.000 I mean, he's been my biggest favorite this season.

01:09:49.000 Like, just watching.

01:09:50.000 Well, he's unquestionably world-class, and so is Vinny.

01:09:53.000 And that's one of the more interesting things about today's climate.

01:09:55.000 I feel like with Bellator, with the PFL, absolutely with 1FC, you have world-class fighters in many organizations.

01:10:04.000 It's not just the UFC. And these guys can all come over and compete.

01:10:13.000 You've got these guys in almost every organization that I feel like can compete with the best in the world in any organization.

01:10:20.000 It's getting pretty even now.

01:10:22.000 Much more so than it was four or five years ago.

01:10:24.000 Yeah, it's weird though because all of these things happened in the past.

01:10:28.000 We had Pride, we had Strikeforce, the WEC, and then those things got absorbed.

01:10:32.000 And then all the best guys ended up in the UFC. And it's like, well, all the best guys are here now, and now these other organizations, one was still around and one was always...

01:10:50.000 I think he can compete with anybody at 205. Exactly.

01:11:00.000 It's a very different story for a lot of guys.

01:11:02.000 But now what happens when these guys in the UFC, the number 8th ranked heavyweight in the UFC, sees a guy make a million dollars.

01:11:13.000 Exactly.

01:11:14.000 And he's thinking to himself, I'll fuck that guy up.

01:11:17.000 Yeah.

01:11:22.000 I love it.

01:11:22.000 It's good.

01:11:23.000 It's good for everybody.

01:11:24.000 Yeah.

01:11:24.000 Competition is great for the sport.

01:11:26.000 It's great for the athletes.

01:11:27.000 It's great for the organizations.

01:11:28.000 Because the organizations, whether they like it or not, it's going to make them pick up their game.

01:11:32.000 Yes.

01:11:32.000 It's going to make them step up.

01:11:33.000 Some people don't like to pick up their game, Joe.

01:11:35.000 Some people like to be comfortable.

01:11:36.000 They just like to be comfortable.

01:11:38.000 That is not life.

01:11:39.000 That is not.

01:11:39.000 That is not life.

01:11:40.000 No, it's not.

01:11:41.000 Life is pick up your game.

01:11:42.000 Man, there is something I wanted to show you that reminded me of why I need to pick up my game.

01:11:49.000 I was looking through my phone a couple months ago, and I have this video of my dad.

01:11:54.000 I'm going to show it to you.

01:11:54.000 I had to turn this down.

01:11:56.000 But I'm just going to go straight to the end because that's the coolest part.

01:12:00.000 Do you want to send it to Jamie?

01:12:02.000 Yeah, I can do that.

01:12:04.000 Can you airdrop it to him?

01:12:05.000 I can airdrop it to Jamie.

01:12:06.000 Ooh, I love technology.

01:12:08.000 For the Mac, hold on a second.

01:12:10.000 I see.

01:12:11.000 Young Jamie's MVP. Yeah, that's it.

01:12:13.000 That's it.

01:12:13.000 Bam.

01:12:16.000 There we go.

01:12:17.000 Jamie, what are you going to call yourself when you hit 50?

01:12:20.000 What's Lil Wayne going to call himself?

01:12:25.000 Best answer ever.

01:12:26.000 I didn't name myself.

01:12:27.000 You did.

01:12:28.000 That's right.

01:12:28.000 I named you.

01:12:29.000 It's true.

01:12:30.000 It's a good point.

01:12:31.000 But you gotta go forward through some of it.

01:12:34.000 But yeah, just reminded of some of the things in my life.

01:12:38.000 I've been kind of...

01:12:39.000 So what are we gonna see?

01:12:40.000 What is this?

01:12:40.000 So my dad danced limbo, right?

01:12:43.000 My dad was the baddest limbo dancer on the planet.

01:12:46.000 Really?

01:12:46.000 And he did some crazy, crazy stuff.

01:12:49.000 You might have needed to try it again, didn't I? I think we need to try it again.

01:12:51.000 Oh, probably when I close my phone?

01:12:53.000 Yeah, stop.

01:12:53.000 Okay.

01:12:55.000 There we go.

01:12:57.000 Waiting for Jamie to grab it.

01:12:59.000 And I'll leave it open.

01:13:00.000 No, my dad used to dance limbo.

01:13:04.000 Limbo's when you go under the stick, right?

01:13:05.000 Yes, yes.

01:13:07.000 And he...

01:13:09.000 I don't want to ruin it, but he was the best.

01:13:13.000 And what year is this video from?

01:13:14.000 Like, 88. Like, the year before he died.

01:13:17.000 Wow.

01:13:18.000 Yeah.

01:13:19.000 So, like, I don't know.

01:13:21.000 It just reminds me of some of the things.

01:13:22.000 And my family, anytime I did something that I thought was cool, they would just be like, yeah, so what?

01:13:29.000 Your dad would do that.

01:13:31.000 It was like, fuck!

01:13:33.000 Like, I could never get out of his shadow.

01:13:36.000 This is your dad?

01:13:37.000 That's my dad.

01:13:37.000 Oh, shit.

01:13:38.000 With fire?

01:13:39.000 Yeah.

01:13:40.000 Damn, how the fuck is he doing that?

01:13:42.000 That is insane!

01:13:45.000 Dude, that's insane.

01:13:47.000 Yeah, he did this for tons of people.

01:13:50.000 Everybody wanted to see him do this.

01:13:51.000 He did it in front of Mandela, he did it in front of the Queen.

01:13:54.000 Look, he's going to go under it there?

01:13:56.000 Yeah.

01:13:56.000 But it gets better than this.

01:13:58.000 Hold on.

01:13:59.000 Damn.

01:14:00.000 How the fuck is he doing that?

01:14:01.000 You know what kind of core strength that takes?

01:14:03.000 Yeah.

01:14:04.000 Blowing fire?

01:14:05.000 That's insane.

01:14:05.000 But this right here, now this is where it gets ridiculous.

01:14:08.000 I see this and I'm like, yeah, that's my dad.

01:14:11.000 He's gonna go, what?

01:14:14.000 So this is on fire, folks, and this thing is, I'm not bullshitting.

01:14:18.000 And he's got two flaming pizzas in his hands.

01:14:21.000 And he's like, that might be, what, 13, 14 inches off the ground?

01:14:26.000 And he's going under it.

01:14:27.000 That's insane!

01:14:28.000 And he's spitting fire while he's doing it.

01:14:31.000 Holy shit.

01:14:32.000 You weren't joking.

01:14:33.000 No, my dad was a badass.

01:14:35.000 That's crazy.

01:14:36.000 How crazy is he looking at this old VHS footage too digitized?

01:14:41.000 It's not that long ago, man.

01:14:42.000 No.

01:14:43.000 And that's a different world.

01:14:45.000 That kind of thing, my dad kind of...

01:14:48.000 I mean, I was always with him.

01:14:49.000 I used to love being with him.

01:14:50.000 He's like my best friend.

01:14:51.000 I remember I was telling my son this story about him.

01:14:54.000 So I had this thing with my kid.

01:14:55.000 And I'm recording this conversation with me and my son.

01:14:58.000 And I'm like, what would you do if you could go back in time?

01:15:00.000 He's like, what?

01:15:01.000 I was like, if you had a time machine, you can go anywhere.

01:15:03.000 Where would you go?

01:15:03.000 He's like, I don't know, the 1900s?

01:15:05.000 And I'm like, I grew up in the 1900s.

01:15:07.000 What are you talking about?

01:15:08.000 I was like last week, right?

01:15:10.000 I want to grow up.

01:15:11.000 I want to be in the 90s, Dad.

01:15:13.000 What?

01:15:14.000 And then I told him this story.

01:15:15.000 I was like, you know, remember when I was little, my dad used to bring me on stage to do that?

01:15:19.000 I was like four, five years old.

01:15:21.000 No, I was like four years old.

01:15:22.000 And he would pick me up and carry me under the bar, right?

01:15:24.000 Yeah.

01:15:25.000 And one time he brings me on stage.

01:15:26.000 He's like, this is my son.

01:15:27.000 And he presents me and the spotlight's on me.

01:15:28.000 And I'm like shy.

01:15:29.000 And I'm like, oh.

01:15:30.000 And he's kind of disappointed.

01:15:31.000 He's really disappointed in me that day.

01:15:33.000 And then a couple weeks later, I was with him again.

01:15:36.000 I was like, Daddy, can you bring me back on stage?

01:15:38.000 And he brings me on stage.

01:15:40.000 And he's about to pick me up.

01:15:41.000 And I'm like...

01:15:43.000 And then I moonwalk away.

01:15:45.000 And I go back to my seat.

01:15:46.000 And he loved it.

01:15:48.000 He loved it, you know?

01:15:48.000 And I told my son that story.

01:15:50.000 And my dad was like, afterwards, we walk through the hotel to go back.

01:15:52.000 And he has me on his shoulders.

01:15:53.000 And he's just so proud.

01:15:54.000 He's like, you see my boy?

01:15:55.000 And he's like, you know?

01:15:56.000 I told my son about that.

01:15:57.000 And my son was like, this is like 40 minutes later in the conversation.

01:16:00.000 And my son was like, Dad, if I had a time machine, I would go back and hang out with you and your dad.

01:16:06.000 Wow.

01:16:06.000 And I was like, that was like, that was like the best moment of my life.

01:16:10.000 Wow.

01:16:11.000 Yeah, because he didn't get to meet him, but it's one of those things, man.

01:16:14.000 And just thinking about that kind of thing, kind of...

01:16:20.000 It inspires me to want to do things where, you know, kids.

01:16:25.000 My dad did that for me and he made me excited about things and now I want to do stuff where I can give something to kids.

01:16:32.000 This is what you're doing with your book.

01:16:33.000 That's what I'm doing with that.

01:16:35.000 My thing is mixed martial arts, right?

01:16:37.000 So this thing, this is the first book, The Talent Quest.

01:16:43.000 So, it's about these characters.

01:16:44.000 Did you write all this?

01:16:45.000 So, here's the thing.

01:16:47.000 The concept and the characters came up with me.

01:16:49.000 I have a good friend.

01:16:51.000 She's a psychologist and she's in Australia.

01:16:54.000 She wrote this story out.

01:16:56.000 And then we have this girl that does the illustration.

01:17:00.000 She's Nari M. She fights in one.

01:17:02.000 She's fighting this weekend.

01:17:03.000 Wow.

01:17:04.000 Right?

01:17:04.000 So, like...

01:17:06.000 It's all about mixed martial arts and the psychology of it and working on all these different things.

01:17:11.000 But we're going to put this whole program together that's all about teaching kids discipline, self-respect, self-resilience, all of these things.

01:17:18.000 And put these stories together with these characters.

01:17:21.000 And it's a whole lot of fun.

01:17:22.000 I have a book for you.

01:17:24.000 Beautiful.

01:17:25.000 I want you to...

01:17:27.000 To enjoy it with your little ones.

01:17:29.000 I will do that.

01:17:30.000 Thank you, man.

01:17:31.000 That's awesome.

01:17:31.000 So, is this available for sale?

01:17:33.000 Where can people get it?

01:17:34.000 So, you can get it on Amazon.

01:17:37.000 Was it KDP? I have to read the thing in my phone.

01:17:40.000 But it will be available.

01:17:42.000 We're going to release it on the 15th of December.

01:17:46.000 And you can get it by e-book and you can also get it a printed copy like this.

01:17:52.000 So let me know when it comes out.

01:17:53.000 It's the 15th of December.

01:17:54.000 15th of December.

01:17:55.000 Remind me and I'll tweet it.

01:17:57.000 Man, that'll be super dope.

01:17:59.000 When this PFL thing comes out, when is this?

01:18:02.000 It's on New Year's and it's on NBC Sports?

01:18:05.000 NBC Sports.

01:18:05.000 So what channel was that?

01:18:07.000 What is NBC Sports on?

01:18:09.000 Direct TV. That's one of them weird ones.

01:18:11.000 Yeah.

01:18:11.000 You've got to find it.

01:18:12.000 Yeah.

01:18:13.000 If you want to watch the Olympics, right?

01:18:15.000 Is that what it's on?

01:18:16.000 NBC Sports?

01:18:17.000 NBC Sports.

01:18:18.000 If you want to watch curling.

01:18:20.000 Synchronized swimming and some shit.

01:18:21.000 Like Taekwondo.

01:18:22.000 Yeah, Taekwondo.

01:18:23.000 Well, they're going to do MMA. They're talking about doing MMA in the Olympics.

01:18:26.000 In the Olympics.

01:18:27.000 Yeah, I heard about that.

01:18:28.000 It's right next to FS1. FS1 is 219. NBCSN is 220. Nice.

01:18:34.000 So it's a great net channel.

01:18:36.000 What is NBC's plans for this?

01:18:39.000 Obviously they're spending a lot of money because they're giving a million dollar prize to three different guys.

01:18:45.000 The PFL is its own organization.

01:18:48.000 It's a partnership with NBC. The PFL puts the money up for the fighters.

01:18:53.000 NBC does have an influx of money coming in from NBC, but the PFL is in control of all of that.

01:19:00.000 I don't know what NBC's plans are.

01:19:03.000 But the PFL has big plans.

01:19:05.000 They have a contract with NBC that I believe the contract is up this year, but of course they're going to renegotiate.

01:19:11.000 They're going to work things out.

01:19:13.000 And this is the only MMA product that NBC has.

01:19:16.000 MMA is hot right now, so I don't believe NBC wants to let the PFL go.

01:19:20.000 The thing that seems to be the bottleneck with other organizations is the name.

01:19:26.000 It's like, you know, the UFC is like the NFL. Right.

01:19:28.000 It's like got this, it's the biggest name.

01:19:30.000 UFC is MMA to a lot of people.

01:19:32.000 To a lot of people.

01:19:33.000 Yeah.

01:19:33.000 And then you hear about the PFL. You're like, what's that mean?

01:19:35.000 What's Bellator mean?

01:19:37.000 Right.

01:19:37.000 What is one FC? What does that mean?

01:19:38.000 It doesn't mean anything.

01:19:39.000 It's just like, it's hard to get.

01:19:41.000 I think Bellator is making some ground, you know, because they've been doing plenty of television events and Paramount Network is a big network.

01:19:48.000 A lot of people get the chance to see it.

01:19:50.000 They've had good ratings, but it still hasn't caught fire.

01:19:53.000 Right.

01:19:54.000 The thing with the PFL, yeah, the name, Professional Fighters League.

01:19:58.000 Yeah.

01:19:58.000 Like...

01:19:59.000 You hear PFL, you don't know what that means.

01:20:01.000 You hear Professional Fighters League, you have an idea of what's going on.

01:20:03.000 It's a good name.

01:20:04.000 It's a great name.

01:20:06.000 And the name is representative of what it is.

01:20:09.000 You know, it's a league.

01:20:10.000 We have a regular season.

01:20:12.000 So you fight in the regular season.

01:20:13.000 You score a certain amount of points.

01:20:15.000 You score points by getting finishes.

01:20:17.000 You score points by getting finishes in the first round.

01:20:19.000 You know, you win the fight, that's three points.

01:20:21.000 You get a finish in the first, that's three additional points.

01:20:23.000 Second round, two points.

01:20:24.000 Third round, one point.

01:20:25.000 Yeah.

01:20:39.000 I might want to rework that.

01:20:41.000 Jake might want us to.

01:20:42.000 I don't like the finish in the third round's worth less than the finish in the first.

01:20:46.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

01:20:47.000 Yeah, because it's a little tougher to finish in the third.

01:20:50.000 Yeah, not only that, it's a finish.

01:20:52.000 Finish is a finish.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, I agree, but...

01:20:59.000 Sometimes it takes a while to finish a guy.

01:21:01.000 Here's a perfect example.

01:21:02.000 Say you're fighting a guy like Josh Thompson back in the day.

01:21:08.000 This is a tough fight.

01:21:10.000 These are two world-class fighters versus you fighting Henry Smith from fucking Albuquerque that nobody knows.

01:21:16.000 If you finish that guy in the first round, yeah, you've got to finish in the first round.

01:21:20.000 But did you get a finish over a world-class guy?

01:21:22.000 If you get a finish over a world-class guy in the third, that's worth more.

01:21:26.000 I mean, it's depending upon who you're fighting and what style they are, how resilient they are, how difficult they are to beat.

01:21:32.000 But then it becomes more subjective when you're talking about the difficulty and matching up styles, and then you're starting to bring the odds into it from, like...

01:21:43.000 I guess it wouldn't be betting odds, but similar to betting odds.

01:21:49.000 It's one of those things where there is no perfect way, but you take what you have and do the best of what you can.

01:21:55.000 I get it, but the difference is in two points.

01:21:59.000 You get three points for the first round, but one point if you finish in the third?

01:22:03.000 Fuck all that.

01:22:04.000 Finish is a finish, man.

01:22:06.000 So, bonus points for a finish?

01:22:08.000 Finish is a finish.

01:22:09.000 I made that argument.

01:22:11.000 We had that conversation.

01:22:13.000 It's like...

01:22:14.000 But then again, what do you do?

01:22:16.000 What do you get bonus points for?

01:22:18.000 Here's a perfect example.

01:22:19.000 How dare you try to diminish Yair Rodriguez's last second KO of the Korean Zombie?

01:22:28.000 Impossible!

01:22:29.000 He shouldn't get all the points for that?

01:22:32.000 That was crazy!

01:22:33.000 He literally knocked the guy out with one second to go with a no-look elbow.

01:22:40.000 I mean, that's all the points.

01:22:42.000 Give them all the points.

01:22:43.000 That's legit.

01:22:44.000 You get so many points for a finish, whether it be first, second, or third round.

01:22:48.000 Finish is a finish.

01:22:50.000 I agree.

01:22:51.000 Because the one difference that we have is in a draw.

01:22:56.000 Both guys get one point.

01:22:57.000 I feel that if you, or if it goes to a decision, maybe you should get points.

01:23:03.000 Maybe you should get a point for surviving, but the winner gets more.

01:23:07.000 And then if you get finished, you get no points, but the finisher gets all the points.

01:23:13.000 Well, it's definitely squirrely.

01:23:15.000 The idea behind it is squirrely.

01:23:17.000 I get what they're doing, but I don't buy it.

01:23:20.000 I buy the fact that you've got to get points, because it's kind of like college wrestling.

01:23:26.000 You know?

01:23:27.000 You get team points.

01:23:29.000 You get points for a pin.

01:23:30.000 You get four for the pin.

01:23:32.000 You get three—I'm sorry, you get five for the pin.

01:23:33.000 No, you get six for the pin.

01:23:35.000 I'm sorry, you get five for the major decision.

01:23:36.000 You know?

01:23:37.000 You get three for the decision.

01:23:39.000 It's weird, but—and it may be tweaked next year.

01:23:43.000 There may be some tweaks.

01:23:43.000 It's hard for people to— Remember all that shit.

01:23:47.000 That's the thing.

01:23:48.000 So we're constantly talking about it on air, you know?

01:23:51.000 As the fight's going on.

01:23:53.000 Yeah, but the people listening are drunk.

01:23:55.000 They're like, what the fuck are they talking about?

01:23:57.000 What is the point?

01:23:58.000 They can't do the math.

01:23:59.000 Point for what?

01:24:00.000 Yeah.

01:24:01.000 But...

01:24:02.000 It's super cool because it changes sometimes guys' attitudes when they're in there.

01:24:08.000 It changes what they do and how they respond in the fight.

01:24:13.000 Say there was a fight with Kyle Allen Carr and Mike Kyle.

01:24:16.000 Both of these guys needed a finish to get into the playoffs.

01:24:19.000 Either one of those guys gets a finish, they get into the playoffs.

01:24:22.000 Josh Copeland's sitting at home hoping that nobody gets a finish.

01:24:25.000 The fight starts and boom, Mike Kyle rocks Kyle Allen Carr.

01:24:28.000 And it's like, it looks like he's going to get a first round finish, make it into the playoffs.

01:24:32.000 Kyle Alencar starts coming back.

01:24:33.000 He gets on top in the second round.

01:24:35.000 It looks like he's going to get the finish and make it to the playoffs.

01:24:37.000 These guys go to the third.

01:24:39.000 Both guys are gassed now.

01:24:40.000 Nobody finishes.

01:24:41.000 Josh Copeland jumps off his chair at home and he's in the playoffs now.

01:24:45.000 And now he's in the finals.

01:24:46.000 Like he was the eighth seed.

01:24:47.000 He beat the number one seed.

01:24:49.000 Then he beat the number five seed by KO. Now he's in the finals and he has a chance to make a million dollars.

01:24:55.000 Number eight seed is going in.

01:24:56.000 Interesting.

01:24:57.000 Okay, you just made a good argument for it.

01:25:00.000 I'm not sure if I buy it though.

01:25:02.000 You buy it, Joe.

01:25:04.000 You buy it.

01:25:04.000 Why don't they revamp the scoring system?

01:25:07.000 I would not be surprised if this offseason we do some brainstorming and change a few things.

01:25:17.000 But I don't know if a whole lot is going to be changed.

01:25:21.000 I think a few things will be changed and next season is going to be even better.

01:25:26.000 And to a man, I've heard virtually every high-level guy, every UFC-level guy that I've spoken to, they've said to me, are they going to be able to pay that million dollars?

01:25:37.000 When they see that million dollars is real, then I want to see the reaction to that.

01:25:42.000 That's going to change everything.

01:25:43.000 Once people get that million dollar check, you know, once you see someone, you know, you see Vinnie Magalese driving around a Ferrari.

01:25:50.000 In a Rolls Royce.

01:25:51.000 What the fuck?

01:25:52.000 Look at that motherfucker.

01:25:53.000 I kicked his ass.

01:25:54.000 Yeah.

01:25:55.000 In that Rolls Royce.

01:25:56.000 I know.

01:25:57.000 Yeah.

01:25:58.000 You're going to see Ryan Bader sitting around going, what?

01:26:01.000 The fuck?

01:26:03.000 He's gonna be mad.

01:26:04.000 Ryan Bates is another guy who's transformed, right?

01:26:06.000 Yeah.

01:26:06.000 He's like a legit heavyweight contender now.

01:26:09.000 He looks fucking good, man.

01:26:11.000 The way he beat Mitrione, like, Jesus Christ.

01:26:13.000 And Mitrione...

01:26:14.000 He's so solid.

01:26:14.000 Mitrione has improved.

01:26:15.000 Yeah.

01:26:16.000 Mitrione's improved a lot.

01:26:17.000 Knocked out Fedor.

01:26:18.000 Yeah.

01:26:18.000 I mean, come on.

01:26:20.000 That's a...

01:26:21.000 I mean, that's a feather in your cap for the rest of your life.

01:26:23.000 Shoot, I sat next to Fedor and that's a feather in my cap.

01:26:27.000 I know, right?

01:26:28.000 I was going to go to watch the Fedors fighting Ryan Bader in LA. They're fighting at the Forum.

01:26:38.000 But there's a UFC that night.

01:26:40.000 Can't go.

01:26:41.000 I wanted to go see Fedor fight live.

01:26:43.000 Yeah.

01:26:44.000 Never seen him fight live and I felt like that was a great fight.

01:26:46.000 Him versus Bader.

01:26:47.000 That's a great fight to see live.

01:26:49.000 I've never seen him fight live either.

01:26:52.000 I have a picture of me, Fader, and Tim Crater.

01:26:55.000 Really?

01:26:56.000 Tim was fighting, and Fader was giving me some advice on what to tell Tim.

01:27:00.000 What was he saying?

01:27:02.000 He was just, he's got to stay low, keep him moving, because he was fighting Chael.

01:27:07.000 Right.

01:27:07.000 But this was before Chael was Chael.

01:27:08.000 Right.

01:27:09.000 He's a wrestler.

01:27:11.000 And somebody's translating it, too.

01:27:13.000 But he's talking to me, he's talking to me, he's talking to me, and someone comes along and translates.

01:27:16.000 But he's like, he's got to stay low and keep him outside, keep him outside.

01:27:19.000 The guy translating sounds like this.

01:27:21.000 He says, Fedor said, keep him outside and stay low.

01:27:26.000 Damn.

01:27:27.000 But just having a conversation with that dude and sitting next to him.

01:27:29.000 And he's not that big of a guy.

01:27:31.000 Fedor is not that big of a guy.

01:27:33.000 He's another guy who probably could be a middleweight.

01:27:35.000 Yeah.

01:27:36.000 Fedor is awesome, though.

01:27:37.000 I mean, if you see some of the middleweights that are in the UFC, like Yoel.

01:27:41.000 Yoel was in your chair, sitting right there, and it looked like somebody dropped a giant iron sculpture of a superhero.

01:27:49.000 He doesn't look like a human.

01:27:52.000 He's so big, dude.

01:27:54.000 He's like 220-plus, just jacked everything.

01:27:57.000 Neck, shoulders, back, just jacked.

01:28:00.000 That is a heavyweight.

01:28:02.000 Yeah.

01:28:03.000 You know, if you sit him next to Fedor, he looks way bigger.

01:28:06.000 He looks bigger, yeah.

01:28:06.000 Way bigger than Fedor.

01:28:07.000 Yeah.

01:28:07.000 Yet, he fights at 185. But he's also so jacked and ripped, and he's like my age.

01:28:12.000 It's incredible.

01:28:13.000 But he's not, like, you can be my age and be ripped.

01:28:16.000 Like, I am if I take off my shirt, but I don't want to embarrass you right now.

01:28:19.000 Don't.

01:28:19.000 Please don't.

01:28:20.000 Thank you.

01:28:20.000 But, like, the way he is, he's ripped like a 25-year-old.

01:28:25.000 He's ripped like a bodybuilder.

01:28:26.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 Right?

01:28:27.000 He's a freak of all freaks.

01:28:28.000 Yeah.

01:28:29.000 Yeah.

01:28:29.000 You see his body in the ring, and you go, first of all, how did he make weight?

01:28:34.000 That's what I always think.

01:28:35.000 Even when he steps on the scale, like back before we had the early weigh-ins, when we had the weigh-ins at the actual time of 4 o'clock, he would step on the scale and make weight, and you're like, how is that 185 pounds?

01:28:45.000 It doesn't even make sense.

01:28:46.000 He looks like he's 200 pounds.

01:28:48.000 Easy.

01:28:48.000 Plus.

01:28:49.000 That same thing happened in the match with Conor and Floyd.

01:28:53.000 When Conor was getting on the scale, Mayweather's promoter was like, he's not going to make the weight.

01:28:59.000 He's not going to make the weight.

01:29:00.000 But, I don't know.

01:29:02.000 There's some guys who, you know, especially MMA guys are bigger than boxers.

01:29:05.000 Yeah.

01:29:06.000 You know?

01:29:06.000 So, it's one of those things.

01:29:08.000 Like, Yoel has that down.

01:29:09.000 He is huge.

01:29:11.000 But that dehydration hits.

01:29:12.000 And that's probably why he sucks.

01:29:14.000 Lockhart talked about it.

01:29:15.000 Yeah, look at the size of that dude.

01:29:17.000 Jesus.

01:29:17.000 That guy's like 42 years old.

01:29:19.000 He's so big.

01:29:20.000 He's so jacked and unparalleled wrestling skills, too.

01:29:25.000 Oh, shit.

01:29:26.000 Yoel Romero versus David Branch is booked?

01:29:28.000 I don't know.

01:29:29.000 What is that?

01:29:29.000 Click on that shit.

01:29:30.000 It might not be.

01:29:30.000 This could be older.

01:29:32.000 It might be new, though.

01:29:33.000 Click on that shit.

01:29:34.000 What do we got?

01:29:35.000 What is this?

01:29:37.000 UFC on Fox.

01:29:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:39.000 So that never happened.

01:29:42.000 Right?

01:29:42.000 That never happened.

01:29:43.000 I don't remember what happened.

01:29:44.000 No, that didn't happen.

01:29:46.000 Yeah, I typed in Riel L vs Fedor and there's a picture of them matching up.

01:29:49.000 Yeah, that whole 185 pound division is kind of crazy.

01:29:53.000 Because they're promising if Stylebender fights Anderson, they're saying to Anderson, if you win, you get a title shot.

01:30:00.000 And everybody else in the division is like, what?

01:30:03.000 What?

01:30:03.000 Yeah.

01:30:04.000 Like...

01:30:05.000 Do you think that's some trickery to get Anderson to fight Stylebender?

01:30:09.000 That's exactly what I think it is.

01:30:10.000 That's exactly what I think it is.

01:30:12.000 Did they offer Stylebender a title shot if he beats Anderson?

01:30:16.000 I don't believe so.

01:30:18.000 Dan Hooker posted that on his Instagram.

01:30:23.000 I like Hooker, and I just had to say something.

01:30:25.000 I was just like, look, we know that Style...

01:30:27.000 And my thought was, we know when Stylebender wins this fight, because I really believe Stylebender's going to win that fight.

01:30:33.000 When he wins this fight, he's not going to get that title shot.

01:30:35.000 And I... For me...

01:30:38.000 As a former fighter and knowing who Anderson is and what he's done for the sport and for the UFC, I'm just like, I feel like that's so disrespectful, if you ask me.

01:30:49.000 That's my opinion.

01:30:50.000 It's an opinion, it's mine, and I stand by it.

01:30:52.000 That, you know, we want to make this young guy a star and we're going to sacrifice you to the Wolf to get that done.

01:31:00.000 But Anderson still feels like he can compete at the highest level.

01:31:04.000 Man, we're all going to feel like we can compete.

01:31:06.000 If you put enough money in front of me, I will fuck Khabib up.

01:31:12.000 Right?

01:31:14.000 Right?

01:31:14.000 You put something in front of me that I really want?

01:31:17.000 Right.

01:31:17.000 Like, that's the thing.

01:31:18.000 He'll give you a goal.

01:31:20.000 He'll give you a time period to train and prepare for it.

01:31:24.000 Anderson's, what, 43 now?

01:31:26.000 Yeah.

01:31:27.000 So that's the thing.

01:31:28.000 He's not outside the realm of possibilities.

01:31:29.000 He's the same age as Yoel.

01:31:31.000 Or close to it.

01:31:34.000 Yoel's at least 40. Yoel's at least, yeah.

01:31:36.000 He's at least 40. He might be 41. I mean, it's not...

01:31:41.000 The problem with...

01:31:43.000 I mean, and then Anderson, when he started failing drug tests, you're like, okay, so he's probably struggling.

01:31:48.000 He's trying to get that edge, you know, trying to recover in training.

01:31:52.000 So he's taking a bunch of weird supplements, and some of them are tainted.

01:31:57.000 I bet you if you go back to...

01:31:59.000 Just go back to what you used to do.

01:32:01.000 Go back to what it was you did when you became the Anderson Silver that everybody loves.

01:32:08.000 Before he got to the point where, like before the Forrest Griffin fight.

01:32:12.000 Because I believe that's when it started to decline for him.

01:32:15.000 Yeah, he still looked good and he still performed well, but he got away from the fundamentals.

01:32:22.000 In that Forrest Griffin fight, he was able to take Forrest out without the fundamentals.

01:32:26.000 Moving his head, doing these weird things and just popping back.

01:32:30.000 Fundamentals are what's the strongest thing in the game.

01:32:32.000 For sure.

01:32:33.000 The Forrest Griffin fight is an interesting example, too, though, because Forrest had been KO'd twice in training for that fight.

01:32:40.000 He had no business being in there.

01:32:43.000 He just couldn't take a shot.

01:32:47.000 There's another thing I want to talk to you about.

01:32:48.000 Tito Chuck.

01:32:51.000 As a guy who's retired, who had an awesome career, and you're watching that, and you're seeing a guy come back at 50 and get stopped like that, what did that do for you?

01:33:02.000 You kind of knew that, well, I felt that Chuck shouldn't be taking that fight, you know?

01:33:07.000 Tito's been competing.

01:33:08.000 Tito's still in there.

01:33:10.000 And then when they stepped in, as soon as they touched up, it's like, yeah, Chuck shouldn't be in here.

01:33:15.000 That's the first time he looked that much smaller than Tito.

01:33:18.000 He didn't look the same size as Tito.

01:33:20.000 He didn't look comfortable.

01:33:21.000 He didn't look as coordinated.

01:33:23.000 Chuck was always a little quirky and awkward in his movement, but he didn't even look like Chuck Liddell.

01:33:28.000 He looked like a shell of Chuck Liddell.

01:33:31.000 Did you ever see him hitting the pads, like recent video of him hitting the pads?

01:33:36.000 No.

01:33:36.000 Dude, he looked terrible.

01:33:37.000 Yeah, see?

01:33:38.000 He said he was just warming up.

01:33:39.000 He had talked to Brandon Schaub about it.

01:33:40.000 He says, I always look bad when I'm warming up.

01:33:42.000 It's not just that it looked like his balance was off.

01:33:48.000 I get that.

01:33:50.000 See, if I would have saw that beforehand, I still wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in that because I remember being in a locker room before I fought Hermes Franca the first time in the UFC and Nick Diaz was in my locker room and Nick's hitting pads and he's about to fight Robbie and he's hitting pads and he's like,

01:34:06.000 yeah, I'm going to knock this motherfucker out.

01:34:08.000 Yeah.

01:34:09.000 And I'm like, not the way he hit nose pads.

01:34:11.000 He didn't look sharp.

01:34:13.000 He didn't look like he had any power and then he went out there and knocked Robbie out.

01:34:16.000 Well, he probably was just warming up though.

01:34:18.000 Sometimes when guys are warming up, they're just trying to get their body.

01:34:23.000 They're not really trying to look like a fighter.

01:34:26.000 They're not trying to look sharp like they're going to be inside the cage.

01:34:31.000 See if you can find that.

01:34:33.000 Chuck Liddell hitting pads.

01:34:35.000 It's different.

01:34:36.000 It's different because his balance looks off.

01:34:39.000 His coordination looks off.

01:34:40.000 It just doesn't look good.

01:34:44.000 You know, it just, there's a, you know, here it is, right here.

01:34:48.000 Take a look at this.

01:34:49.000 Watch this.

01:34:56.000 Yeah.

01:35:00.000 Yeah.

01:35:01.000 Looks like it has no pop, yeah.

01:35:03.000 Yeah.

01:35:04.000 I mean, it's crazy to watch, right?

01:35:07.000 It just looks like...

01:35:09.000 See how he throws that kick and leans back afterwards?

01:35:12.000 Yeah.

01:35:12.000 It just looks...

01:35:14.000 There's a real issue with someone who's had that many KOs.

01:35:18.000 You've been KO'd that many times.

01:35:19.000 Like, your brain's been scrambled that many times.

01:35:22.000 Like, what is...

01:35:24.000 How is the connection between your muscles and your mind...

01:35:28.000 Yeah, goosebumps.

01:35:30.000 Neurological...

01:35:30.000 Yeah, it makes you uncomfortable, right?

01:35:31.000 Yeah, it does.

01:35:32.000 Like...

01:35:33.000 I mean, and that's Chuck.

01:35:34.000 Yeah.

01:35:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:35.000 One of the greatest of all time.

01:35:37.000 Yeah.

01:35:38.000 I don't know.

01:35:38.000 At 49 also, or at 50, there's a point.

01:35:44.000 I almost feel like I would do it again for certain...

01:35:48.000 I'm not trying to be a world champion.

01:35:50.000 I'm not trying to get to Khabib or Dustin and those guys.

01:35:53.000 But Joe Lozon, Diego Sanchez, somebody that's from the same era, at least a part of the era that I was in.

01:36:01.000 Somebody like that.

01:36:02.000 Somebody who I have respect for.

01:36:03.000 It's going to be fun.

01:36:05.000 And I guess that's what Tito and Chuck is.

01:36:08.000 But also, Chuck, you beat him twice.

01:36:11.000 He beat him twice by knockout.

01:36:13.000 But I think he just felt like he always had Tito's number.

01:36:16.000 But this is the problem.

01:36:17.000 Tito wins now.

01:36:19.000 The guy who he never wanted to win now wins.

01:36:22.000 The guy who wouldn't fight him when he was the champ now is the winner.

01:36:26.000 When it all said and done, Tito KO'd him.

01:36:29.000 And he KO'd him more soundly than Chuck ever KO'd Tito.

01:36:33.000 Because when Chuck KO'd Tito, he basically beat him down, and then Tito covered up, but he was conscious.

01:36:39.000 Like, Tito put Chuck out.

01:36:42.000 He put him out.

01:36:44.000 And, you know, I mean, it was a good shot, for sure, but it just seems like you're dealing with a guy whose brains are, you know, it's just, he's been scrambled too many times.

01:36:54.000 Yeah.

01:36:56.000 Were you surprised that they made that fight?

01:36:58.000 I am surprised that the commission let the fight happen.

01:37:01.000 Yes, if that's what you mean.

01:37:03.000 I'm not surprised that Oscar De La Hoya, Tito Ortiz came together and said, let's get Chuck to fight me.

01:37:09.000 I'm not surprised about that at all.

01:37:12.000 Do you know that they said there was only 25,000 pay-per-view buys?

01:37:15.000 That's what I heard.

01:37:16.000 That kind of sucks.

01:37:17.000 That's crazy.

01:37:18.000 It's horrible.

01:37:19.000 That's so low.

01:37:19.000 That must have cost everybody money.

01:37:21.000 I have more Instagram followers than that.

01:37:25.000 It was a hard sell, and the undercard wasn't so good either.

01:37:28.000 It wasn't like there was a lot of big names on the undercard that's going to draw people in, where they're going to go, well, it's going to be great fights no matter what.

01:37:35.000 Yeah, the undercard was...

01:37:38.000 Not that great.

01:37:40.000 No.

01:37:40.000 You saw the whole show?

01:37:42.000 No.

01:37:43.000 Yeah, because that's right.

01:37:44.000 You didn't see Derek win.

01:37:46.000 But the undercard was not great.

01:37:50.000 And then the Tito-Chuck fight.

01:37:53.000 I mean, Tito looks like the much better striker, much more accomplished striker in that fight.

01:37:59.000 Crazy.

01:38:00.000 Tito Ortiz knocked out Chuck Liddell.

01:38:02.000 That's like a phrase I never thought I would hear, and it'd be real.

01:38:06.000 But isn't it also the case of not just Tito remaining active and staying competitive?

01:38:11.000 That's exactly what it is.

01:38:12.000 It's that, too, but it's also Tito's skills got better.

01:38:15.000 Yeah.

01:38:15.000 They definitely got better.

01:38:16.000 Jason Perillo is an awesome instructor.

01:38:18.000 I mean, he's a fantastic boxing coach, and he really tightened up Tito's hands and all his techniques over the course of the years they were together.

01:38:25.000 And the last time Tito and Chuck fought, iPhones hadn't been invented.

01:38:30.000 Yeah.

01:38:30.000 Think of that shit.

01:38:32.000 You know?

01:38:32.000 No iPhones.

01:38:34.000 People using sidekicks.

01:38:35.000 Remember those?

01:38:36.000 Remember those things?

01:38:38.000 I remember that.

01:38:39.000 I remember that.

01:38:39.000 You flip up the keyboard and everybody thought they were slick.

01:38:43.000 Yeah.

01:38:44.000 That was the last time they fought.

01:38:45.000 It's a different...

01:38:46.000 MySpace was the thing.

01:38:47.000 It's a different world, man.

01:38:49.000 It's just...

01:38:50.000 It's just sad to see it go down like that.

01:38:53.000 It would be one thing if it was a good fight.

01:38:57.000 If Tito looked like Chuck, Chuck looked like Tito.

01:38:59.000 Because Tito looked good.

01:39:00.000 Chuck did not look good.

01:39:01.000 If they both looked good and they put on their best fight and then Tito wound up winning, good for him.

01:39:06.000 But it wasn't that.

01:39:08.000 One guy was just a shell.

01:39:11.000 A shell of himself.

01:39:12.000 So what kind of fight for Tito or a rematch for Tito would make sense that you think would sell?

01:39:20.000 Is there one?

01:39:22.000 Tito versus Chael will sell a little bit.

01:39:24.000 I mean, he's been calling Chael out saying, I want to kick your ass, but I think that was probably before the pay-per-view numbers came in.

01:39:30.000 And then they're like, ugh.

01:39:31.000 Chael's like, nah.

01:39:33.000 He's probably got 15 voicemails on Oscar's phone.

01:39:36.000 Oscar ain't calling back.

01:39:39.000 Oscar's just sitting there going, fuck, Tito Ortiz willing to postpone retirement to kick Chael Sonnen's ass again.

01:39:45.000 Yeah, see?

01:39:45.000 But the thing is, he's going to try to do that with Oscar and Golden Boy, and that's going to sell 13,000 pay-per-view buys.

01:39:52.000 Nobody's going to buy that.

01:39:54.000 Well, I mean, if Chael gets it on the marketing, somebody will buy it.

01:39:57.000 Look, if they could figure out a real competitive fight for Tito against someone who's got a big name, and I don't know who that big name would be, but he could still sell some.

01:40:09.000 Did you see the, um, did you see, there was, somebody posted these, I think Hanato LaRanja posted these two videos of Tito, where, um, it was like, somebody was asking him, how does he feel about this fight with Chuck?

01:40:21.000 And he's like, I'm a much better fighter than I was 12 years ago.

01:40:23.000 I'm a much better fighter.

01:40:24.000 I'm bigger, I'm stronger, I'm younger, I'm like...

01:40:28.000 He said he's younger?

01:40:29.000 Tito gets a little flustered with the mic.

01:40:31.000 He said he wanted to outlive his kids, too.

01:40:34.000 Like, dude, that's the worst thing to do.

01:40:35.000 Yeah, right?

01:40:36.000 He also said, the guy was like, so who's making the money off of the pay-per-view?

01:40:41.000 Is it all the fighters on the card, or is it just you and Chuck?

01:40:45.000 And he's like, yeah, it's me, myself, and Chuck.

01:40:47.000 We're going to make the money off of the pay-per-view.

01:40:49.000 He just powers through these things.

01:40:52.000 Yeah, well, you know, it's not a talker's business.

01:40:56.000 It's a fighter's business.

01:40:57.000 Yeah, it's weird.

01:40:58.000 You know, you're asked to be several things.

01:41:00.000 And when a guy like Conor comes along, or a guy like Colby Covington...

01:41:04.000 Oh, that was the other thing I wanted to talk about.

01:41:06.000 They're talking about Colby not fighting Tyron for the title now.

01:41:09.000 And then Usman leapfrogging over Colby, who's the interim champ.

01:41:14.000 Didn't they strip Colby?

01:41:15.000 Did they strip him?

01:41:16.000 I believe Colby was stripped.

01:41:20.000 Maybe they did strip him, which is also weird.

01:41:22.000 Which is weird because that should have been Tyron's first fight back from that shoulder surgery.

01:41:27.000 That's what the interim is for, right?

01:41:29.000 Yeah.

01:41:30.000 If it's not, then what's an interim for?

01:41:33.000 If they stripped him, that's the only reason why I could see saying Usman.

01:41:38.000 But also, that's another thing where I think it's probably negotiation tactics.

01:41:41.000 It's like the Nate Diaz-Dustin Poirier thing.

01:41:44.000 I remember looking this up, and someone was trying to correct me last time I did.

01:41:47.000 It was supposed to be, which I don't know if it actually happened, when that fight happened with Tyron until when that fight happened, he was supposed to be stripped.

01:41:54.000 But on the website, he's still listed as the interim champ.

01:41:58.000 Well, it's a good move to keep him the interim champ if they decide to fight.

01:42:02.000 Because then it's champ versus champ.

01:42:04.000 You know, if they do decide to make that fight.

01:42:06.000 I feel like on paper, at least, financially, it's a good fight.

01:42:11.000 Because, like, Colby talks so much shit.

01:42:14.000 It's like, it's worth, you know, it's worth putting together just for that.

01:42:19.000 Because people don't know who Usman is as much.

01:42:22.000 But Usman's a nightmare for anybody.

01:42:24.000 Yeah.

01:42:24.000 He is the biggest, I believe, biggest threat to Tyron right now.

01:42:29.000 Solid wrestling, solid striking, conditioning, everything.

01:42:33.000 Super strong.

01:42:34.000 Yeah.

01:42:35.000 And just has been on a tear and has gotten better with every fight.

01:42:39.000 He's been proven, has gone through the trial by fire inside the octagon.

01:42:43.000 Exactly.

01:42:44.000 Like, Colby has the wrestling.

01:42:47.000 Submission awareness, at least.

01:42:49.000 His offensive submissions aren't the best, but he can finish you.

01:42:53.000 And his striking is competent, but he has no power.

01:42:57.000 He's not going to hurt Tyra.

01:42:59.000 Interim title holder.

01:43:00.000 Oh, okay.

01:43:01.000 He still has it.

01:43:02.000 Yeah, so they didn't strip him.

01:43:03.000 They decided to keep him.

01:43:04.000 But who knows?

01:43:05.000 They might have just not updated the website.

01:43:06.000 See that guy, Kevin McDonnell?

01:43:07.000 He was one of my students.

01:43:09.000 Really?

01:43:09.000 Yeah.

01:43:10.000 Wow.

01:43:11.000 That's great.

01:43:12.000 He's a great ref.

01:43:13.000 Yeah, he's a good ref.

01:43:14.000 The Kobe thing is interesting.

01:43:17.000 His fight against Rafael Dos Anjos, anybody who thought he wasn't for real, you see that fight, he beat the shit out of Dos Anjos.

01:43:23.000 And his conditioning is incredible.

01:43:25.000 I mean, that is one of the big things about that dude, is his conditioning.

01:43:29.000 It's off the charts.

01:43:30.000 He doesn't get tired.

01:43:31.000 He does not get tired.

01:43:32.000 He's a fucking animal.

01:43:33.000 So that's one of the things that makes that fight interesting.

01:43:36.000 With Tyron, can he push Tyron?

01:43:38.000 But can he survive?

01:43:39.000 That's the thing.

01:43:40.000 Yeah.

01:43:41.000 That's the big thing.

01:43:42.000 See, Dos Anjos is more of a volume striker at 170. He's not going to knock those bigger guys out.

01:43:48.000 But Tyron would knock out anybody.

01:43:50.000 So this is a...

01:43:51.000 I want to see that fight.

01:43:52.000 And the thing with Colby, like the last time I trained with him, it's been about a year.

01:43:56.000 But at that point, he was hard to miss.

01:43:59.000 You know?

01:44:00.000 Yeah.

01:44:01.000 For me, I know I'm a striker, but Tyron.

01:44:06.000 Tyron's got good crisp boxing, but he hits so hard.

01:44:09.000 So hard.

01:44:09.000 So fast, too.

01:44:10.000 He's so strong.

01:44:11.000 He's so fast.

01:44:12.000 His straight right hand, I remember when he fought Carlos Condit.

01:44:16.000 He hit him with a lead right hand, and I was just like, whoa, did somebody remove some frames from that?

01:44:22.000 From reality?

01:44:22.000 He crossed over so fast.

01:44:24.000 His distance, he closed the distance so quick.

01:44:27.000 He's explosive.

01:44:28.000 He's so fast.

01:44:30.000 I don't know.

01:44:33.000 Tyron's a real champion.

01:44:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:35.000 He's a real champion.

01:44:37.000 And not getting the credit that he deserves for a long time, that bothers him.

01:44:43.000 Well, he's in a handful of the greatest welterweights of all time now, in my opinion.

01:44:46.000 You've got Matt Hughes, who's a legend.

01:44:48.000 You've got, of course, George St. Pierre, Robbie Lawler, and then Tyron, who knocked out Robbie Lawler.

01:44:53.000 I mean, in my opinion, he's right up there.

01:44:55.000 And as these wins pile up, you make more of a case of him being the best welterweight ever.

01:45:02.000 Yeah, Tyron, with that being said, he's beaten a lot of the guys in the division, but he needs, like you said earlier, he needs a fight like a GSP. He needs something where somebody else is established because with him coming in and taking out Robbie and all these other young guys,

01:45:18.000 they're proven amongst themselves and amongst each other.

01:45:21.000 But a lot of the fans, like you said, nobody knows Kamau Usman, right?

01:45:25.000 And Usman, he's a threat.

01:45:27.000 To everybody.

01:45:28.000 To everybody.

01:45:29.000 Everybody.

01:45:30.000 He's been wanting Kobe.

01:45:32.000 He's been wanting Darren Till.

01:45:33.000 He wants everybody because he wants that shot at the belt.

01:45:36.000 And I believe, for real, he's the biggest threat to Tyron.

01:45:41.000 But Tyron could win that fight also.

01:45:44.000 He could win it convincingly.

01:45:45.000 And then it means nothing to the world who Tyron wants to respect what he's done as the champion.

01:45:51.000 Yeah, in that case, that's one of the reasons why I think the fight with Colby makes the most sense.

01:45:56.000 I think it'll be the most controversial, highest profile, because Colby will talk mad shit, Tywin will get really angry, and if he beats him and smashes him, then it steps up him and puts him in a...

01:46:07.000 And then in the meantime, I mean, Till's not going to fight at 170 anymore.

01:46:11.000 Till's moved up to 185. Okay.

01:46:13.000 But you still have a plethora of killers in the welterweight division.

01:46:18.000 I mean, you can make a lot of matchups.

01:46:19.000 Yeah.

01:46:20.000 But the Colby fight also could help Tyron get over too because Colby's going to talk a lot of shit.

01:46:25.000 And some of it's disrespectful and people like to see those guys get stopped.

01:46:30.000 It's true.

01:46:33.000 Maybe that's one.

01:46:36.000 We like to see those guys get stopped.

01:46:38.000 Not just get beat.

01:46:40.000 For Tyron to win that fight, for the most part, he has to stop Colby.

01:46:44.000 Because Colby's not going to quit.

01:46:46.000 And in the fourth round, he's going to step on the gas.

01:46:50.000 If Tyron can't keep up, then it's going to be a problem.

01:46:54.000 Eve Edwards, I got David Goggins here too.

01:46:56.000 Nice.

01:46:57.000 So anything else before we get out of here?

01:46:59.000 The only other thing was the ketone meals.

01:47:01.000 Like those things are awesome.

01:47:02.000 They want to make an elk meal and they want to talk to you about it.

01:47:07.000 We'll talk about that afterwards.

01:47:09.000 For sure.

01:47:09.000 So what is that company?

01:47:11.000 What is it?

01:47:11.000 Ketone Bodies.

01:47:13.000 Ketone Bodies.

01:47:14.000 Ketone Meals.

01:47:15.000 And you can look them up online.

01:47:17.000 Ketone Meals online.

01:47:17.000 So you're working with them?

01:47:18.000 Yes, they've been sponsoring me and sending me good stuff to my house.

01:47:21.000 Beautiful.

01:47:22.000 We'll talk.

01:47:22.000 Eve Edwards, thank you, sir.

01:47:24.000 Always a pleasure.

01:47:25.000 PFL, New Year's Eve.

01:47:26.000 New Year's Eve, NBC Sports.

01:47:28.000 Check us out.

01:47:29.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 05, 2018

JRE MMA Show #50 with Yves Edwards

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