The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #81 with Dave Leduc

00:00:00.000 Three, two, one.

00:00:03.000 What's up, Dave?

00:00:04.000 How are you, brother?

00:00:04.000 And we're live, bitches.

00:00:05.000 Yes, indeed.

00:00:06.000 You wanted to say that, huh?

00:00:07.000 Yeah, I just thought I wanted it.

00:00:09.000 Thanks for doing this, man.

00:00:10.000 I appreciate it.

00:00:11.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:12.000 Dude, I've watched you fight a bunch of times online, and Letway is probably one of the most brutal combat sports in the world, and it's so interesting watching a guy like you.

00:00:24.000 Are you Quebecois?

00:00:26.000 Is that what you say?

00:00:26.000 Quebecois, you're good.

00:00:27.000 How's your French?

00:00:28.000 It's not bad.

00:00:29.000 It's terrible!

00:00:30.000 It doesn't matter.

00:00:31.000 I don't know anything in French.

00:00:33.000 But how do you go from Montreal to being the king of Latwe?

00:00:37.000 Yeah, it's a crazy journey, man.

00:00:39.000 And, like, in a way, it was...

00:00:42.000 If we go there right away?

00:00:44.000 Yeah, let's go there right away.

00:00:45.000 Yeah, basically, when I was...

00:00:46.000 I used to play baseball.

00:00:47.000 I was a baseball...

00:00:47.000 I was a pitcher in Pennsylvania.

00:00:49.000 I was, like, doing a bunch of, like, university baseball.

00:00:53.000 Traveling team.

00:00:54.000 And then I got into, like, a fight with my father.

00:00:58.000 Shout out to my father.

00:00:59.000 A fist fight with your father?

00:01:00.000 No, it never went physical.

00:01:01.000 But it was going very hard, and both my parents said, Dave, please leave.

00:01:07.000 You're kicked out of the house.

00:01:08.000 How old were you?

00:01:10.000 17, 18. Wow.

00:01:11.000 So I had no money, and I was almost...

00:01:14.000 It was minus four fire nights, so for you guys, minus 20 degrees Celsius.

00:01:19.000 I called my friend, like, come pick me up, and I couched her for a few months, and finally got a place, got my shit together.

00:01:27.000 But then I had a fire.

00:01:28.000 We didn't speak for many years.

00:01:31.000 We actually have a good relationship now.

00:01:33.000 And I believe that nothing good comes out of comfort, right?

00:01:36.000 Like hardship.

00:01:37.000 So I had a lot of, like I said, fuck baseball.

00:01:41.000 I wanted to fight.

00:01:42.000 Because of that?

00:01:43.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:01:44.000 That's so crazy.

00:01:45.000 So because of getting angry at your dad, that's what made you want to learn how to fight?

00:01:49.000 It's like, I resume it maybe like that a little bit.

00:01:52.000 I hope it doesn't take it the wrong way.

00:01:54.000 Well, it worked out, so you shouldn't take it the wrong way.

00:01:57.000 I mean, it all worked out well.

00:01:58.000 True.

00:01:59.000 And then actually, funny enough, my first love was grappling.

00:02:02.000 I did a lot of competition, like no gi.

00:02:05.000 I won some in gi, but it was mostly no gi.

00:02:08.000 And then I actually had my league called the SFL. It was like a submission fight league.

00:02:12.000 Once a month, I had guys organized.

00:02:14.000 I was not fighting, I was just organizing it.

00:02:17.000 And I got the guys fighting.

00:02:19.000 Submission only, not IBGDF. And where was this at?

00:02:22.000 In Quebec, near Montreal.

00:02:24.000 So then we're doing this.

00:02:26.000 And then I said to my coach, my Sifu, Sifu Patrick, again, shout out to my coach.

00:02:31.000 I said, I never want to do anything other than grappling.

00:02:33.000 He said, well, you're tall and you're good reach.

00:02:36.000 Maybe you should consider it.

00:02:37.000 I said, no, I only want to do Nogi.

00:02:39.000 He's like, okay.

00:02:40.000 He lets me do my shit.

00:02:42.000 And then, yeah, eventually I started doing, I come from Sanda background.

00:02:47.000 Sanda, right?

00:02:48.000 Which is a style of martial arts.

00:02:50.000 Yeah, so Chinese martial arts, all the army in China does that pretty much, and it's pretty cool.

00:02:53.000 So wide stance, spinning attacks, you know, and cool stuff.

00:02:56.000 A lot of throws.

00:02:57.000 I was actually with Kung Lee in San Jose last week.

00:02:59.000 No shit!

00:03:00.000 Yeah, we did some nice headbutt videos.

00:03:02.000 Oh, wow.

00:03:02.000 We need to do one together after.

00:03:03.000 Alright.

00:03:04.000 Have you done a headbutt before?

00:03:05.000 No, not really.

00:03:07.000 I've never headbutted a person.

00:03:08.000 On the pads?

00:03:09.000 I've fucked around, you know, and headbutted the bag, but just joking.

00:03:12.000 I've never, I've never, like I've seen your pad routines where you incorporate headbutts into the pads.

00:03:17.000 Yeah.

00:03:18.000 I feel like you fight like you train.

00:03:20.000 So if you don't train it, how the hell are you going to throw it in a fight?

00:03:23.000 Do a lot of people headbutt pads?

00:03:26.000 I'm teaching them now.

00:03:28.000 So you originated it?

00:03:29.000 I've never seen anybody do it but you.

00:03:31.000 I mean, I've seen people headbutt people in fights, particularly in the UFC, the early days.

00:03:36.000 Mark Coleman, when he was the heavyweight champion, he was the godfather of ground and pound.

00:03:41.000 Big, gigantic wrestler.

00:03:42.000 And he would take guys down and get on top of them.

00:03:44.000 It didn't matter if you were in the guard.

00:03:45.000 He headbutt the fuck out of you.

00:03:46.000 I mean, when they took away his headbutts, you know, because they changed the rules, they took away fucking 20% of his game.

00:03:54.000 20% of his game, he'd control you, bang, bang!

00:03:57.000 Just slam his forehead into your nose, you know, you couldn't see, then he'd pound the shit out of you.

00:04:02.000 I mean, that was one of the ways he became the champ.

00:04:04.000 So they took it out from the UFC? They took it out of the rules.

00:04:06.000 Which I don't totally understand why.

00:04:09.000 If you can elbow in the face and the eye sockets and the nose, why can't you headbutt?

00:04:13.000 I don't know.

00:04:14.000 It's because a headbutt cuts, an elbow cuts, and you actually can do way more with an elbow than a headbutt.

00:04:19.000 Sure.

00:04:19.000 And so knees, knees cut as well.

00:04:21.000 True.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, I think it should be legal.

00:04:23.000 I think so too.

00:04:24.000 Yeah.

00:04:24.000 Well, obviously you do.

00:04:26.000 Yeah, I'm a big proponent.

00:04:27.000 Because you're excellent at it.

00:04:28.000 So how did you get, explain the path to Lepwe?

00:04:32.000 Yeah.

00:04:33.000 Okay, so now we're basically starting to do striking.

00:04:36.000 So then I do a couple fight nights, and I love it.

00:04:39.000 I start fighting, but then it's illegal in Canada.

00:04:42.000 You can't do like full, even Muay Thai is illegal.

00:04:44.000 Muay Thai is illegal in Canada?

00:04:45.000 Pro Muay Thai.

00:04:46.000 What?

00:04:47.000 Yeah, no elbows.

00:04:48.000 But how come the UFC is legal?

00:04:51.000 Tell me about it.

00:04:52.000 Oh my god.

00:04:52.000 That's so crazy.

00:04:53.000 You can do MMA, but you have to do headgear and shit for Muay Thai.

00:04:57.000 Wow.

00:04:57.000 Even in France.

00:04:58.000 Shin pads?

00:04:59.000 I'm not sure, but there's no elbows guaranteed.

00:05:01.000 No elbows.

00:05:02.000 So amateur Muay Thai, no elbows.

00:05:04.000 Well, that's not Muay Thai then.

00:05:05.000 No, it's not.

00:05:06.000 Oh, that's crazy.

00:05:07.000 Even in France, I think Muay Thai, like Thai fight, when you go there, they have elbow pads.

00:05:10.000 Really?

00:05:11.000 Yep.

00:05:11.000 Sunshine was fighting with elbow pads last time.

00:05:13.000 What?

00:05:14.000 Yes, yes, in France.

00:05:15.000 Sunshine with elbow pads is hilarious.

00:05:17.000 In France, yeah.

00:05:18.000 Wow.

00:05:19.000 That's crazy.

00:05:19.000 And then what else?

00:05:20.000 And then basically, I went to Thailand for the first time because my friends were there, and it's just easier to, because Myanmar was, like, for those who don't know, it used to be called Burma, and now it's Myanmar, and it was super hard to get visas and, you know, a bunch of things, stuff like that.

00:05:34.000 So I go there.

00:05:35.000 I do my first pro Muay Thai fight because I was, like, partying, and I was like, I want to get a fight.

00:05:41.000 So they give me a fight, I win.

00:05:42.000 How much training had you done?

00:05:43.000 You did Sanda, and then what else?

00:05:45.000 Well, I did sando and grappling.

00:05:47.000 That's it?

00:05:48.000 And MMA, yeah, so basically like overall.

00:05:50.000 So no Muay Thai?

00:05:51.000 Never did Muay Thai before my first Muay Thai fight.

00:05:54.000 What?

00:05:54.000 Yeah, it was a brawl.

00:05:55.000 That is crazy.

00:05:56.000 It's not beautiful to watch, but yeah.

00:05:58.000 Wow, how many people can say that?

00:06:00.000 I never did Muay Thai before my first Muay Thai fight.

00:06:02.000 I don't know, but I got lucky.

00:06:03.000 I got a nice elbow in the clinch and cut him up right here.

00:06:06.000 So you started thinking about elbows then?

00:06:08.000 Yeah, that's my elbows now.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, but like, just to back up a little bit, basically my coach, Sifu Pat, showed me back then a Black Belt magazine, Burmese boxing, probably the same that you saw or something.

00:06:18.000 And then I'm like, I want to do this, right?

00:06:20.000 And started watching videos, but there was nothing.

00:06:22.000 It was like black and white.

00:06:23.000 It was super hard to find.

00:06:25.000 There was nothing about Litoi.

00:06:26.000 So I just put it on the ice, but my dream was always to go to Myanmar one day.

00:06:30.000 But at the time, you know, Tiger Muay Thai was super big.

00:06:32.000 It's like easy.

00:06:33.000 I have fights every week.

00:06:34.000 You don't even need to get a visa.

00:06:36.000 It's 30 days for Canadians right away.

00:06:38.000 Really?

00:06:39.000 So I was like, okay, my friends are there.

00:06:40.000 They invite me to Tiger.

00:06:41.000 And I have a good relationship with them now.

00:06:44.000 Basically, I ended up winning their tryouts.

00:06:47.000 And it was a big year.

00:06:49.000 That year, we had Dan Hooker, myself.

00:06:52.000 Alec Rosnowski was there.

00:06:54.000 Peter Yan.

00:06:55.000 So all the guys were...

00:06:56.000 Oh, great.

00:06:57.000 Great fighters.

00:06:57.000 Yeah, a good fight.

00:06:58.000 And then they were for the MMA. I was for Muay Thai.

00:07:02.000 So we got a scholarship.

00:07:05.000 So, look, you're still following me?

00:07:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:07.000 So then, and then I go to, I get that little, like, I mean, thank you for giving me that room, guys, but it was like a shitty room with a toilet.

00:07:14.000 It was a bed and a toilet, you know?

00:07:15.000 But I'm happy at the time.

00:07:16.000 I had no money.

00:07:18.000 You know, I just, like, I'm happy.

00:07:19.000 I'm happy with this.

00:07:20.000 We had, like, actually, my wife is watching right now.

00:07:23.000 We had, like, called it the black hole in the toilet.

00:07:26.000 There was the, you mean, AC was leaking, and it was so, like, it was so disgusting.

00:07:30.000 There was, like, we called it the black hole.

00:07:32.000 The mold?

00:07:33.000 The mold, yeah.

00:07:34.000 Oh, that's terrible for you.

00:07:35.000 I know.

00:07:36.000 Tell me about it.

00:07:36.000 Yeah, some of that mold can be toxic, right?

00:07:40.000 Yeah, and my wife is not very happy about it.

00:07:42.000 I'm sure they weren't testing that mold either.

00:07:46.000 So then we get this, and then, like, I remember, like, it's yesterday.

00:07:49.000 We're on the bed, and, like, I'm making one fight a month in Thailand, and I'm, you know, it's like, I'm telling, I actually got myself in the Max Muay Thai tournament.

00:07:59.000 I was trying to get my name, you know, in the Phuket Stadium, in the Phuket circuit, and then one time, like, the manager pulled me out, and he's like, you're not good enough, because they wanted me to be super stadium-like, you know, check, blocked.

00:08:12.000 Check, block.

00:08:13.000 I was wide stance.

00:08:14.000 I was catching kicks, punching back.

00:08:16.000 I was not like they wanted me to do at all.

00:08:18.000 Not good for gamblers, because gamblers, they start gambling in the second round, and I was winning the first round, so they don't make money with me.

00:08:26.000 Oh, so they wanted you to...

00:08:28.000 For people who don't understand what we're talking about, in Thailand, it's traditional that the fighters fight slowly in the first round.

00:08:35.000 They just sort of feel each other out.

00:08:37.000 Once the bets are all in place, then they go hard in the second and third round.

00:08:41.000 But a lot of fighters would go over there, especially from other countries, and just fuck people up in the first round.

00:08:46.000 Yeah, and that's what you did.

00:08:48.000 Yeah, and they didn't like me for that.

00:08:49.000 So what did they tell you to do?

00:08:50.000 Did they tell you to slow down the first round?

00:08:51.000 You didn't tell me anything.

00:08:53.000 Just pull me out of the tournament and say, you're not good enough.

00:08:55.000 Not good enough?

00:08:56.000 Yeah.

00:08:56.000 But you're winning.

00:08:57.000 I was winning fights, yeah.

00:08:58.000 So that's how I'm starting to get pissed a little bit.

00:09:01.000 And then I'm making shit money and I sold everything that I had at the time to go to Thailand.

00:09:07.000 So...

00:09:08.000 I'm a bit in hardship.

00:09:10.000 I'm like, what am I going to do?

00:09:11.000 And then I meet Irina, my wife.

00:09:13.000 Now we're married by the time we were just together.

00:09:17.000 And she said, when do we want to have kids?

00:09:19.000 Are you going to have kids with $200 a month?

00:09:22.000 Is that what you were making for a fight?

00:09:25.000 $200 a fight in the Phuket Stadium.

00:09:27.000 It's like $10,000 baht.

00:09:28.000 Sorry, $6,000 baht.

00:09:29.000 It's disgusting.

00:09:30.000 Wow.

00:09:31.000 That's what people get.

00:09:32.000 For a whole month, you were living off $200.

00:09:35.000 Yeah.

00:09:35.000 I was getting in debt.

00:09:36.000 Thank God I had credit before coming to Thailand.

00:09:38.000 You're burning through that shit too, though.

00:09:40.000 Oh yeah, fast.

00:09:40.000 50 bucks a week?

00:09:41.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, I was spending like $500 a week, so I was getting in debt pretty fast.

00:09:48.000 Wow.

00:09:48.000 Like fast.

00:09:49.000 So by the time, you know, and I'm like, okay, what am I going to do?

00:09:53.000 So we're crying on the bed.

00:09:55.000 My wife is like, you know, I believe in you.

00:09:57.000 You can do whatever you want.

00:09:58.000 I think you can be champion.

00:09:59.000 I said, I don't want to be just champion anywhere.

00:10:01.000 I want to be champion in the most brutal shit in the world.

00:10:04.000 But Latwe, it was almost unattainable at the time.

00:10:08.000 Explain to people the rules of left weight because we keep talking about it.

00:10:12.000 Headbutts, no gloves.

00:10:14.000 Takedowns allowed.

00:10:15.000 So suplex on the head, elbows to the back of the head, they don't care.

00:10:20.000 Takedowns allowed.

00:10:21.000 Soccer kicks?

00:10:22.000 Soccer kicks?

00:10:24.000 To the body, but sort of.

00:10:26.000 On the way down.

00:10:28.000 Yeah, you can kick them in the head.

00:10:29.000 Body lock and on the way down you headbutt.

00:10:32.000 Then you get back up.

00:10:33.000 The referee doesn't care.

00:10:35.000 Is that a rule though?

00:10:36.000 Is it legal?

00:10:37.000 It's a gray line.

00:10:38.000 Gray line.

00:10:39.000 A gray area.

00:10:39.000 So you can actually do a takedown and then drop the knee, like knee stomp, and then it's okay.

00:10:44.000 Really?

00:10:44.000 Yeah.

00:10:45.000 They say that basically you're supposed to help a brother up.

00:10:48.000 So when you fall down, you help him up and you fight.

00:10:50.000 So the mentality is like we fight for 15 minutes and we punch each other in the face with elbows, headbutts and everything.

00:10:56.000 And let's see first who quits.

00:10:58.000 Wow.

00:10:59.000 But then if you go on the floor, we get up.

00:11:00.000 They want action-packed, you know?

00:11:02.000 Even though I love the ground, I think it's true that on the feet it's more exciting sometimes.

00:11:07.000 Well, it's easier for people to understand for sure.

00:11:09.000 Yeah.

00:11:10.000 Especially for people that don't train.

00:11:12.000 They always want stand-up fights.

00:11:13.000 True.

00:11:14.000 So how did you wind up going over to Myanmar?

00:11:18.000 So, okay.

00:11:18.000 So just, again, I watched a Vice documentary on prison fights.

00:11:23.000 Okay, look at that.

00:11:25.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:11:27.000 So the prison fight thing, that's again for in Thailand.

00:11:30.000 For those who don't know, it's sanctioned by the Thai Department of Correction.

00:11:34.000 And they didn't do, I was on the last one ever in 2014. And basically, it's inmates fighting foreigners.

00:11:41.000 And if the inmate wins, the sentence is reduced.

00:11:45.000 Whoa!

00:11:45.000 Yeah.

00:11:46.000 Have you heard about this?

00:11:47.000 No.

00:11:47.000 Okay, prison fight.

00:11:48.000 Yeah, I did that.

00:11:49.000 And we were, so basically we go into maximum security prison outside of Bangkok, maximum security prison.

00:11:55.000 And it's like a movie, man.

00:11:58.000 Like they made a movie actually about it recently.

00:12:00.000 I was on the real deal.

00:12:01.000 Wow.

00:12:02.000 Yeah, and I was with my Turkish friend.

00:12:04.000 We go there.

00:12:05.000 They take away our phones.

00:12:06.000 We got that big metal door.

00:12:07.000 We go underneath.

00:12:08.000 I have goosebumps talking about it.

00:12:10.000 And then we go, we see 800 inmates.

00:12:12.000 They're all there for either rape, gang rape, murder, drug trafficking.

00:12:16.000 And they can get their sentence reduced if they win a fight?

00:12:19.000 Yeah.

00:12:20.000 What if they win two fights?

00:12:21.000 One guy actually, it was on Showtime.

00:12:23.000 They did a documentary on Showtime.

00:12:25.000 And he actually won the finale.

00:12:27.000 He won against an American.

00:12:28.000 And he got released.

00:12:30.000 A murderer?

00:12:32.000 Actually, what I heard, correct me if I'm wrong, but he was in a bar and somebody talked about his girlfriend or touched his girlfriend.

00:12:39.000 He went back, he took a knife and stabbed the guy in the neck and he got in prison for that, for murder basically.

00:12:44.000 And he got out for fighting well.

00:12:46.000 Fighting very well.

00:12:47.000 Holy shit.

00:12:48.000 Don't go to that part of the world with a squeamish stomach.

00:12:53.000 Fudge.

00:12:53.000 So it was, but actually those guys, they do some mistakes, but they were fighting in Lumpini.

00:12:58.000 They were like high-level guys, you know?

00:12:59.000 Really?

00:13:00.000 Yeah, maybe not like all champions, but they were like- They knew how to fight.

00:13:03.000 100 fights and up.

00:13:04.000 So I got a guy who was there for trafficking meth and vitamin, meth.

00:13:08.000 It was like 10 years.

00:13:09.000 And basically, me, actually, maybe you know Anvar Bozanarov, he fights in Glory, and he was actually, he fought for the belt against- He actually lost at the belt recently.

00:13:20.000 Me and him at the time.

00:13:22.000 He was not in glory at the time.

00:13:23.000 We fought there.

00:13:25.000 And only me and another Iranian won the prison fight.

00:13:29.000 And what are the rules?

00:13:30.000 So it's a three-round fight.

00:13:33.000 Muay Thai rules with gloves, with big pillows.

00:13:35.000 Eight ounces.

00:13:36.000 So, at the time, again, my goal was always to go to Myanmar.

00:13:39.000 So, look at that.

00:13:40.000 So, basically, after this, I go back to Canada, and I'm like, my head is like, I don't want to be in minus 4 degrees Celsius, you know, minus 20 in Celsius.

00:13:49.000 So, I'm like, how can I go back to Asia?

00:13:52.000 And so, I go to...

00:13:55.000 I go back, I save money, I go back, and then...

00:13:59.000 I'm losing my thoughts.

00:14:00.000 Basically, when I get that situation with Irina, we're stressing for money, we're stressing for the future...

00:14:08.000 I called up the prison fight promoter, and at the time I said, you have a fight for me, I need to get money.

00:14:14.000 He said, well, I don't promote Muay Thai anymore, I promote Latwe.

00:14:18.000 You want to fight Latwe?

00:14:19.000 I'm like, yes, I've always wanted to do this.

00:14:22.000 So he's like, well, if you want, I have this guy, Tutu, T-O-O-T-O, he's an undefeated champion, Latwe rules, 36 fights.

00:14:30.000 His name is Tutu?

00:14:31.000 Tutu.

00:14:31.000 Wow.

00:14:32.000 That's his real name.

00:14:34.000 He was undefeated in how many fights?

00:14:35.000 36 fights.

00:14:36.000 That means it's all KO, right?

00:14:38.000 Because traditional Latwe, it's KO only to win.

00:14:40.000 We forgot to say that.

00:14:41.000 Really?

00:14:41.000 There's no point system.

00:14:43.000 No points.

00:14:44.000 No.

00:14:44.000 How many rounds?

00:14:45.000 Five rounds.

00:14:46.000 So what happens if you go five rounds?

00:14:47.000 Draw.

00:14:47.000 Whoa.

00:14:48.000 Even if you're fucking the dude up.

00:14:50.000 That's what happened.

00:14:51.000 Wow!

00:14:52.000 So basically, I said, I don't care.

00:14:55.000 Let's fight.

00:14:55.000 I want it because it's my dream.

00:14:57.000 So he's like, well, how many fights do you have?

00:14:59.000 Well, I have 10 Muay Thai fights.

00:15:01.000 Oh, Muay Thai?

00:15:02.000 Well, he's, you know, 50 fights in Latwe and you have 10 fights in Muay Thai.

00:15:07.000 Well, let me do something.

00:15:09.000 He lied on the record.

00:15:10.000 He said, I have 40 fights.

00:15:12.000 Okay?

00:15:13.000 And then I go over.

00:15:15.000 I go over there.

00:15:16.000 I'm like, I don't care.

00:15:16.000 Because my coach, Sifu Patrick, and I, we were always, like, you know, eye-gouging and, like, practicing.

00:15:23.000 That's the mentality of it.

00:15:24.000 Aggressivity, like fish-hooking in the clinch or in the grappling.

00:15:27.000 Can you do that in that way?

00:15:28.000 No.

00:15:28.000 But, I mean, you could probably fish-hook if...

00:15:31.000 Probably.

00:15:32.000 Probably?

00:15:33.000 I mean, they don't care, really.

00:15:34.000 Really?

00:15:35.000 Yeah.

00:15:36.000 But as long as, you know, eye-pokes, you know?

00:15:38.000 Right.

00:15:38.000 So, anyway, so I was always ready for that.

00:15:40.000 I wanted that aggressive...

00:15:43.000 Fights.

00:15:43.000 So I go to the fight and some kind of energy comes in my body.

00:15:49.000 I don't know.

00:15:49.000 I don't believe in that stuff.

00:15:50.000 But I just disfigured him.

00:15:53.000 He didn't touch me much.

00:15:54.000 I was using my push kick to the thighs.

00:15:56.000 I was keeping that distance.

00:15:57.000 And then I went inside.

00:15:58.000 I used my elbows.

00:15:59.000 And if you see the fight, it really puffed up.

00:16:03.000 It was pretty cool.

00:16:05.000 And then that was my first fight.

00:16:07.000 And the crowd...

00:16:08.000 They were throwing bottles a little bit.

00:16:11.000 Why were they throwing bottles?

00:16:12.000 Because he's their champion?

00:16:14.000 Yeah, but then they quickly saw that I did my Likamun, which is the challenge gesture, a very old challenge gesture, and they loved it.

00:16:25.000 How does that work?

00:16:27.000 So basically, before the fight, you put your arm like this, and you...

00:16:30.000 So explain to people that are just listening.

00:16:32.000 You put one arm under your armpit?

00:16:34.000 So yeah, for those at home, so you put your left arm under your armpit and the other arm in the air, and you hit with your cupped hand on the triangle shaped of your elbow, and you...

00:16:46.000 Three times, that actually gives me more goosebumps because I triggered that to the fight.

00:16:51.000 And this is a very old gesture from Myanmar, from the Burmese army back in the days when they were in the trenches and they were fighting enemies.

00:17:00.000 You challenge with honor and courage your opponents and you do that.

00:17:04.000 And that simulates the wing of an eagle.

00:17:08.000 So they saw you do that and they got fired up because you understand the rituals.

00:17:12.000 Yes, because some of the times guys were coming from other disciplines, other country, and they were putting their white crew, they were doing a bunch of other things.

00:17:19.000 I embraced the culture.

00:17:22.000 So they liked it.

00:17:23.000 It's okay.

00:17:23.000 Because at first, basically, they wanted another tall white dude to get fucked by their guys.

00:17:28.000 I was sent there to lose.

00:17:30.000 I was sent there to die.

00:17:31.000 What weight are you competing at?

00:17:33.000 I'm 180 right now, but most of my weight is in the green area.

00:17:37.000 I hear you.

00:17:38.000 So, but like when you're fighting those guys, like what weight do you have to get down to?

00:17:43.000 So traditionally in Litwe, the Burmese guys were never really over 180 pounds.

00:17:48.000 So every weight category has a belt.

00:17:53.000 And I fight open weight.

00:17:56.000 So there was, like, I fought guys that were 200 pounds, 190 pounds.

00:17:59.000 It doesn't matter as long.

00:18:01.000 And I think in striking, it matters less than if there's wrestling involved.

00:18:04.000 Right, sure, yeah.

00:18:05.000 But, like, there's only, it's easy for people to understand in Lithuania, there's only one Golden Belt champion for each weight categories, you know?

00:18:11.000 Like, it doesn't matter, you know, Bellator, UFC, 1FC, there's one champion in Lithuania, it doesn't matter how many promotions there is.

00:18:19.000 And then, do they have, like, a stadium champion, like they have in Thailand?

00:18:22.000 No, stadiums change all the time.

00:18:24.000 Okay, so what is the organizing body?

00:18:27.000 So at the WLC, this is the World Lithuanian Championship.

00:18:30.000 It's like the Major League of Lithuania.

00:18:32.000 And yeah, now they're actually going to do, we're saying everything, but I want to, we'll be doing an event in the state next year.

00:18:39.000 Really?

00:18:40.000 Yes.

00:18:40.000 In the United States?

00:18:41.000 Yes.

00:18:41.000 Is it legal?

00:18:42.000 You know the first state to legalize Lithuania?

00:18:44.000 Alabama.

00:18:45.000 Wyoming.

00:18:46.000 Oh, those are crazy.

00:18:47.000 Those are bare knuckle motherfuckers up there.

00:18:49.000 Those are cowboys.

00:18:50.000 Wyoming, they don't give a fuck up in Wyoming, man.

00:18:52.000 There's grizzly bears up there and there's only 80 people.

00:18:55.000 I've never been there.

00:18:56.000 It's awesome.

00:18:56.000 You've been?

00:18:56.000 It's beautiful.

00:18:57.000 No, never been there.

00:18:58.000 Okay.

00:18:59.000 Never.

00:18:59.000 I've been to neighboring towns or neighboring states, but Wyoming's gorgeous.

00:19:04.000 Okay.

00:19:04.000 But they want to do it like in Miami, in Florida.

00:19:06.000 They try to get in Florida.

00:19:07.000 They wouldn't let it go in Florida?

00:19:09.000 They're trying to get it there.

00:19:10.000 That would be more prestigious than doing Miami.

00:19:12.000 No, man.

00:19:13.000 Wyoming's the shit.

00:19:14.000 I love Wyoming.

00:19:15.000 You're going to get endorsements from Wyoming?

00:19:18.000 No, because it's one of the last truly wild places.

00:19:23.000 There's beautiful cities and beautiful homes and stuff in Wyoming, but it's a gorgeous state, and it's got real wildlife.

00:19:30.000 They have wolves and grizzly bears and elk.

00:19:34.000 You go hunt there?

00:19:35.000 I've never hunted there, but you definitely can.

00:19:36.000 Where do you hunt?

00:19:37.000 Where's the best place?

00:19:38.000 Utah.

00:19:39.000 Colorado's great.

00:19:40.000 There's a lot of...

00:19:41.000 Montana.

00:19:42.000 I've hunted in Montana.

00:19:43.000 Did you ever go out of the country?

00:19:46.000 No, I've never hunted in other countries.

00:19:49.000 If you had to go, where would it be?

00:19:50.000 Like, out of the country?

00:19:51.000 Australia's really good.

00:19:52.000 I have a good buddy of mine, Adam Greentree.

00:19:54.000 He lives in Australia.

00:19:55.000 There's a lot of hunting out there.

00:19:56.000 And New Zealand.

00:19:58.000 There's a lot of hunting in New Zealand.

00:20:00.000 It's a nice trip as far, but it's nice.

00:20:02.000 Africa's weird.

00:20:03.000 Hunting in Africa is very strange.

00:20:05.000 Like, it's got too many connotations attached to it, but there's a lot of wildlife there.

00:20:10.000 And it could be rough, too, some places.

00:20:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:13.000 Oh, hell yeah.

00:20:13.000 I had some stories.

00:20:14.000 I heard some stories.

00:20:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:15.000 Well, it's obviously an enormous continent, but some of the countries can definitely be rough.

00:20:20.000 But there's a lot of these areas that are supported by people hunting wildlife.

00:20:25.000 And if I did hunt, I would only be hunting things like antelope, things that you eat.

00:20:30.000 I would never hunt like an elephant or a lot of shit.

00:20:33.000 No desire.

00:20:34.000 How often do you hunt?

00:20:34.000 Because I saw it like I want to do it, too, because it looks healthy.

00:20:37.000 Oh, it's the best meat in the world.

00:20:39.000 I wish you were staying around here, man.

00:20:41.000 I'd give you some.

00:20:41.000 I have a freezer full of elk meat out there.

00:20:44.000 And how's the texture?

00:20:45.000 It's like a lean meat.

00:20:47.000 It's like venison.

00:20:48.000 If you've ever had venison, it's very lean.

00:20:50.000 You have to cook it at low temperature or slowly.

00:20:52.000 Is it chewy?

00:20:52.000 No, no.

00:20:53.000 No, it's not that chewy.

00:20:54.000 I mean, it's more chewy than, say, like a real fatty beefsteak, but I love it, man.

00:20:59.000 I love it.

00:20:59.000 It's so good for your body.

00:21:00.000 And it's like wild.

00:21:02.000 Oh yeah, 100% wild.

00:21:03.000 Yeah, just dodging mountain lions and trying not to get jacked by wolves and bears and shit.

00:21:08.000 I followed Nature is Metal because of you.

00:21:12.000 Oh, dude.

00:21:12.000 That's badass.

00:21:13.000 Nature is Metal is the best.

00:21:14.000 The best Instagram.

00:21:16.000 Kyle Dunnigan is the funniest and Nature is Metal is the best.

00:21:20.000 And one of the coolest is King Ledzook also.

00:21:23.000 That's a pretty good one too.

00:21:23.000 Yeah, right?

00:21:24.000 The headbutts.

00:21:24.000 But Nature's Metal Man, I watched one bear attack a deer and he was screaming like a human.

00:21:30.000 Yeah.

00:21:30.000 Oh, in the backyard.

00:21:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:32.000 That's awful.

00:21:33.000 I always show that to people that think the bear is like these cuddly little things.

00:21:36.000 I'm like, bro, they eat deers alive.

00:21:38.000 They eat them while they're alive.

00:21:40.000 I show that to people that think that we're over nature.

00:21:45.000 We're mammals.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, we're a part of nature.

00:21:48.000 We just live in cities and we're very well protected.

00:21:51.000 But that's one of the things that I actually enjoy about hunting is when you're out there in the wild, the real wild, wandering through the mountains, you realize how vulnerable you are.

00:22:00.000 You know, when you see bears or you see mountain lions...

00:22:02.000 Even with this?

00:22:03.000 Well, I don't bring a gun.

00:22:04.000 I hunt with a bow.

00:22:05.000 Oh, you hunt?

00:22:05.000 Okay, okay.

00:22:06.000 But, I mean, even with a gun, you're still...

00:22:08.000 I mean, if you don't shoot something or if it comes from behind you, like a cat, like a mountain lion will fuck you up, man.

00:22:15.000 If you have a rifle and you don't even have one in the chamber and a mountain lion jumps in your back, good luck getting...

00:22:21.000 Cracking a bullet and getting your safety off and getting some distance.

00:22:25.000 There's no way you can...

00:22:27.000 You can't eye poke the guy.

00:22:29.000 A cat?

00:22:30.000 People have survived by stabbing them.

00:22:32.000 People have survived.

00:22:33.000 There's people that have been in life or death situations with cats and they've managed to stab it.

00:22:38.000 It's possible, but it's not likely.

00:22:41.000 Likely you're getting fucked up.

00:22:44.000 If there's a simulation one day, I want to try it.

00:22:47.000 A simulation where you don't actually get your face ripped off.

00:22:51.000 And with a bear too, that would be nice.

00:22:53.000 Did you see that video recently of the trainer?

00:22:55.000 Did you see that?

00:22:56.000 Yes.

00:22:57.000 The bear just decides, you know what?

00:22:59.000 Fuck this game.

00:23:00.000 Just tears the guy apart.

00:23:03.000 That can happen at any moment.

00:23:04.000 You're not supposed to do that with bears.

00:23:06.000 Say hi to them.

00:23:06.000 When you see them, hopefully you're in your car.

00:23:08.000 Keep driving.

00:23:09.000 Wave at them.

00:23:10.000 Don't get out of the fucking car.

00:23:11.000 And definitely don't try to train them.

00:23:13.000 Did you see one when there were no hair?

00:23:15.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:23:16.000 It's not the most beautiful creature.

00:23:18.000 Oh, creepy looking.

00:23:18.000 Yeah, creepy looking.

00:23:20.000 Yeah.

00:23:20.000 Anyway.

00:23:21.000 Yeah.

00:23:22.000 Please go.

00:23:23.000 So, we're talking about the prison fight, I believe, or something like that.

00:23:28.000 So, yeah.

00:23:28.000 So, I get to...

00:23:29.000 Yeah, no, actually, we're going to...

00:23:30.000 I crossed over to Latoui, and then I was giving a...

00:23:33.000 Just to tell you how much I really wasn't prepared, how much, and it's kind of crazy how it happened.

00:23:39.000 My translator, Burmese translator, before entering the ring, told me, you know, if you want to protect your head, but don't forget to put your hand on his head, right?

00:23:47.000 I'm like, what do you mean?

00:23:48.000 He's like, well, you know, put your head.

00:23:49.000 So, if he strikes you, it's not going to cut you.

00:23:51.000 And that's what I teach in my seminars, too.

00:23:53.000 And I'm like, wow.

00:23:54.000 And that's like literally before they called my name.

00:23:56.000 So I go in the fight and actually stop the headbutt from this.

00:24:00.000 And like to people at home that, you know, let's say I try to, you know, if I would put my hand on my head in the clinch, right, and he would strike, on my forehead, and he could still strike me in the jaw.

00:24:10.000 If I put it on my jaw, I can still go to my temple.

00:24:12.000 But the goal is to, and we can do it after a little bit, I would put it on your head.

00:24:17.000 And if you strike me, it's going to stun me but not cut me.

00:24:22.000 That's the key.

00:24:22.000 But then, again, why is it so different?

00:24:26.000 It's because you lose a limb that you could use for striking.

00:24:29.000 You have to put it on the head of your opponent.

00:24:32.000 So you have one limb left to hit or whatever.

00:24:35.000 Completely different clinch.

00:24:36.000 And most people, when they clinch in Muay Thai, whatever they clinch, they hold the biceps, right?

00:24:40.000 But then in the middle, there's the headbutt.

00:24:42.000 It's really cool that there's still one martial art in the world that still will not budge, that will keep it raw.

00:24:50.000 It's an effective technique.

00:24:52.000 And this has always been my problem with glory, that glory doesn't allow elbows.

00:24:56.000 I'm like, why not have full Muay Thai rules?

00:24:59.000 Allow the clinch, allow knees to the body in the clinch, allow elbows, knees to the face, the plumb.

00:25:04.000 I mean, all those techniques are very valid.

00:25:06.000 To be able to cross over an elbow in the clinch, I mean, it's very skillful.

00:25:11.000 It's real.

00:25:12.000 Yeah.

00:25:14.000 If you add elbows and then head, man, that's another element.

00:25:19.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:25:20.000 So that's why I think headbutts should be allowed in MMA, I believe.

00:25:22.000 I think so too.

00:25:23.000 And if not, well, we have MMA, which is like the most generalist martial art with the grappling and the wrestling and the striking.

00:25:29.000 But then in Latoya, we have like the most permissive striking sport on the feet.

00:25:35.000 That's pretty exciting to do.

00:25:36.000 Well, bare knuckle boxing, they're doing a lot of that in Wyoming, by the way.

00:25:41.000 Oh, so in Wyoming?

00:25:41.000 Yes, that's where they do it.

00:25:43.000 I think that's the only state.

00:25:45.000 See if that's the only state that allows it.

00:25:46.000 I think it might be one of the only states that allows it.

00:25:49.000 But I was a big proponent of bare knuckle and MMA. I was like, why do you get to pad the knuckles up when you don't pad the shins and the elbows?

00:25:58.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:26:00.000 But then the cuts.

00:26:02.000 Mississippi and New Hampshire have also recently added it, but Wyoming was the first.

00:26:09.000 I needed Jamie in my life.

00:26:11.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:26:12.000 Everybody does.

00:26:15.000 The cuts are huge, and that's the thing, but it's only hands, right?

00:26:18.000 If you would have your legs to push him away, you would have your elbows, you have the headbutts.

00:26:22.000 I feel...

00:26:24.000 It's even more realistic.

00:26:25.000 You think they would get less cut up?

00:26:26.000 Yeah, I get less cut, too.

00:26:28.000 And I think, you know, in a way, I actually think, like, if you look in general, most Latwe fights have a bit less cut than the bare-knuckle boxing, because it's really, you're just standing in front of each other, and you just punch.

00:26:39.000 I want to be the new generation Latwe fighter, because the Burmese, actually, they go in the pocket, and it's a bloodbath.

00:26:46.000 You know, scar tissue everywhere, short careers.

00:26:48.000 You don't fight like that?

00:26:49.000 I don't want that.

00:26:50.000 I want to go back to my wife and be, hey baby, I'm good.

00:26:53.000 So you fight, well you also are very long, right?

00:26:57.000 You're tall and long for your weight class.

00:26:59.000 Yeah.

00:26:59.000 So even though you're fighting large, what are you, 6'3"?

00:27:03.000 I'm 6'2".

00:27:03.000 6'2"?

00:27:04.000 So when you're fighting these guys, do you usually have a height advantage?

00:27:07.000 Yeah, and that's a good point.

00:27:09.000 So basically people say, because Tutu and Tuntunmin, that's another guy, Tuntunmin, he was the legend, he was the former champ, the one I defeated for the Golden Belt.

00:27:18.000 He was the openweight champ.

00:27:19.000 So Tutu was 75 kg and the other one was openweight.

00:27:24.000 So basically, Tuntunmin and him are both around 5'9", 5'10".

00:27:29.000 But the thing is, it's actually, and now after facing taller opponents like Americans and French and Australians, six foot and up, six foot three and everything, if you look at this, he's like 5'9", would it be about here, 5'10", and then the headbutt would go right away to my jaw.

00:27:45.000 And if I want to headbutt him at 5'10", 5'9", I would have to drop my level, then do a headbutt.

00:27:52.000 It's slower.

00:27:53.000 But I fought in August, Seth Bozinski is like 6'3".

00:27:56.000 Seth Bozinski fought in that way?

00:28:00.000 I didn't know that.

00:28:01.000 You fought him?

00:28:02.000 Yeah, last month.

00:28:04.000 How did it go?

00:28:05.000 Second round I got him with a weave and then a hook.

00:28:09.000 I think he was pretty cautious of the head but we didn't get in the pocket.

00:28:13.000 So, yeah, it was in Burma.

00:28:15.000 He's a cool guy.

00:28:16.000 He's a very cool guy.

00:28:17.000 Very good guy.

00:28:18.000 I didn't know he was doing that.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, he was bigger than me, though.

00:28:21.000 He's a big boy.

00:28:21.000 He's a big fellow.

00:28:22.000 He's not 170 anymore.

00:28:24.000 No, no.

00:28:25.000 I'm sure.

00:28:26.000 So, is there cutting weight in Latwa?

00:28:28.000 Well, in the WLC now, they're trying to put more strict weight class.

00:28:33.000 But before, like I said, I fought open weight.

00:28:35.000 But now open weight was very restrictive.

00:28:37.000 As the popularity of lift weight increases, there's more big guys that want to fight.

00:28:42.000 So now in WLC, I'm fighting cruiserweight, which was 185 pounds.

00:28:49.000 Dude, that guy head-butting, who's that supposed to be?

00:28:51.000 The guy on your shirt?

00:28:52.000 That's me.

00:28:52.000 That's you?

00:28:54.000 I got that by a fan.

00:28:56.000 It's pretty cool, no?

00:28:57.000 Yeah, that is cool.

00:28:59.000 And, like, it's the same face as I do when I headbutt.

00:29:02.000 You're a very angry face.

00:29:03.000 Well, I try to be kind outside of the ring.

00:29:06.000 Yeah, an angry inside of it.

00:29:07.000 And we don't let anybody...

00:29:09.000 So, have other, like, big-name guys, like Seth, you know, Seth fought in the UFC for quite a long time.

00:29:14.000 I think 11 fights, and he did the Ultimate Fighter, too.

00:29:17.000 Is there other guys at that level that are starting to make their way to Lethwe?

00:29:21.000 Well, we actually got a message the other day from Diego Sanchez.

00:29:25.000 Diego's so fucking crazy.

00:29:26.000 Of course he wants to do it.

00:29:28.000 He said, Dave, I'm not in UFC anymore.

00:29:30.000 He's not?

00:29:31.000 Oh, maybe I shouldn't say that.

00:29:32.000 Oh, shit.

00:29:34.000 He just dropped a scoop.

00:29:37.000 Diego Sanchez, not in the UFC. He said, I'm off with my contracts.

00:29:40.000 If you want to give me a lightweight fight in WLC, it would be nice.

00:29:43.000 Wow.

00:29:44.000 That fucking psycho.

00:29:45.000 Of course he wants to do it.

00:29:46.000 I think he would love it.

00:29:47.000 Oh, yeah, he would love it.

00:29:48.000 He's perfect for it.

00:29:50.000 Yeah.

00:29:50.000 I'll corner him too.

00:29:51.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:29:53.000 But so, yeah, apart from that, there's been like, it was mostly strikers.

00:29:57.000 And I fought Cyrus Washington, maybe you know.

00:29:59.000 Oh yeah, sure, yeah.

00:30:00.000 Also, they figured him too.

00:30:01.000 Yeah?

00:30:02.000 Yeah, and we had a little bit of rivalry.

00:30:04.000 He's a very good fighter.

00:30:05.000 Very good fighter, but he was running around the entire freaking fight.

00:30:08.000 He's a shorter guy too, right?

00:30:10.000 He was 5'10", I believe.

00:30:11.000 Is he?

00:30:12.000 Yeah, 5'11", I'm not sure.

00:30:13.000 But he's a bit shorter than me, but yeah.

00:30:15.000 He's a guy that throws a lot of spinning techniques too.

00:30:17.000 Yeah, and I was aware of that, and I wanted to make sure that I keep my distance, but then I knew I had a better inside game than him.

00:30:24.000 So I wanted to go inside fast, yeah.

00:30:27.000 Yeah, so him and a couple, yeah, but the biggest name was the Burmese guys, you know, they're like 55 million people, for people at home, there's 55 million people in Myanmar, and their national sport is Lithuania.

00:30:40.000 Yeah.

00:30:40.000 And it's like a religion there.

00:30:42.000 That is crazy.

00:30:42.000 It's crazy.

00:30:43.000 It's crazy that it's so popular there, and most people, unless you're a hardcore martial arts fan, you don't even know about it.

00:30:49.000 Yeah.

00:30:50.000 There's a lot of UFC fans probably listening to this podcast just hearing about Latwe for the first time.

00:30:55.000 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 And it's okay because I had, again, Jim hosted a seminar with me and he said he's a martial artist for 40 years and never heard about Latwe.

00:31:03.000 Wow.

00:31:03.000 So it's okay.

00:31:04.000 We're in that transition now.

00:31:05.000 Yeah.

00:31:06.000 But then in 20, 30 years, they're going to ask, hey, do you know about Latoya?

00:31:09.000 Yeah, I heard the podcast.

00:31:11.000 Well, it's also YouTube, I think.

00:31:13.000 A lot of the videos of your fights and some other fights on YouTube, people go, whoa!

00:31:17.000 They see the headbutts and the body slams and the suplexes and shit.

00:31:21.000 It just shows.

00:31:22.000 This is wild.

00:31:23.000 This is a wild sport.

00:31:24.000 It's pretty exciting.

00:31:25.000 How long are the rounds?

00:31:26.000 Are they normal length?

00:31:27.000 Three minutes?

00:31:28.000 Five rounds of three minutes, yeah.

00:31:29.000 Okay.

00:31:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:30.000 So it's very similar to Muay Thai.

00:31:31.000 Yes, but then the crazy part, which my fights I fought in the traditional literary rules, is that you have an injury timeout.

00:31:39.000 An injury timeout.

00:31:40.000 So meaning that let's say you knock me out, Joe, and then they pull me out in my corner, they slap my face, they bite my ear, they pull my head.

00:31:48.000 Bite your ear?

00:31:49.000 Whatever, they want to make me up.

00:31:50.000 Bite your ear?

00:31:51.000 That helps wake you up.

00:31:52.000 Really?

00:31:53.000 I don't know.

00:31:53.000 It hurts, no?

00:31:54.000 Have they done that?

00:31:55.000 Not to me.

00:31:56.000 I never use my camera.

00:31:56.000 But you've seen people do that?

00:31:58.000 Pull the hair, yeah.

00:31:59.000 You've seen them bite each other's ears?

00:32:01.000 Yeah, they just like...

00:32:02.000 They just chew on the ear a little bit?

00:32:04.000 Really?

00:32:05.000 It hurts, no?

00:32:06.000 Well, I'm sure it hurts, but I mean, what about ice?

00:32:08.000 It seems like that would be a better way to wake you up.

00:32:10.000 They do everything.

00:32:10.000 Let's say you have two minutes to get revived.

00:32:13.000 Okay, so you get KO'd.

00:32:14.000 Yeah.

00:32:15.000 And the fight's not over?

00:32:16.000 Two minutes to get revived.

00:32:17.000 Why isn't the fight over?

00:32:18.000 I don't know.

00:32:19.000 That's the traditional, back 2,000 years ago, they want to give another chance.

00:32:23.000 What?

00:32:23.000 But the WLC, thankfully...

00:32:25.000 Oh my god, that is so crazy.

00:32:27.000 Yeah.

00:32:28.000 WLC's eliminating that?

00:32:29.000 I'm good with that.

00:32:30.000 If you want guys to have a career out of Latwe, it's better for the brain.

00:32:33.000 Oh yeah, a lot better.

00:32:35.000 Because I've seen, I think I've only seen one time, actually it was Tuntunmin, with I think Cyrus, where actually, you get, the only guy, you know, you get knocked out, he went back to his corner, got revived, and won the fight.

00:32:47.000 What?!

00:32:48.000 Did he win by decision?

00:32:49.000 No, there's no decisions.

00:32:51.000 Cyrus Washington's corner through in the towel.

00:32:54.000 Wow, that is so ridiculous.

00:32:56.000 That's really rare.

00:32:57.000 So most of the time, when you use your timeout, your outlet, you're gonna just get knocked out twice.

00:33:02.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

00:33:03.000 I mean, you just had a serious head.

00:33:05.000 Oh, is that it right there?

00:33:06.000 Yeah.

00:33:06.000 Show it to me in the beginning.

00:33:08.000 Show it to me in the beginning.

00:33:09.000 Nice elbow.

00:33:10.000 Boom, elbow here.

00:33:11.000 Oh my God.

00:33:12.000 He's out fucking cold.

00:33:14.000 Yeah, look, they drag him out and he actually finished and won the fight.

00:33:16.000 That is insane.

00:33:18.000 So they drag him.

00:33:18.000 That is fucking insane.

00:33:21.000 That is fucking insane that they...

00:33:24.000 Oh my god!

00:33:25.000 They're going to bite the ear soon.

00:33:26.000 No, they're not going to bite his ears.

00:33:28.000 Don't tell me they're going to bite his fucking ears.

00:33:29.000 Look, they drag him.

00:33:31.000 He's out cold.

00:33:32.000 And this is one of the strongest...

00:33:33.000 This is Tutu Min?

00:33:36.000 Yep.

00:33:37.000 So they sit him down.

00:33:39.000 He's literally unconscious.

00:33:40.000 And he wakes up now, boom.

00:33:41.000 And he's starting to wake up with water on his head.

00:33:42.000 That's hard, though.

00:33:43.000 That's freaking hard.

00:33:44.000 You can't think about that.

00:33:45.000 What, Jamie?

00:33:47.000 They just bit his ear?

00:33:49.000 Rewind.

00:33:51.000 Who's biting his ear?

00:33:53.000 They're pouring water on him.

00:33:54.000 He's going to do it right there, huh?

00:33:55.000 Anyway, just like, yeah, that's the...

00:33:57.000 Oh, he tried to bite his ear!

00:33:59.000 He really did!

00:34:01.000 Oh, Jesus Christ!

00:34:04.000 So they're just pouring water on him, and they give him a chance to wake up.

00:34:07.000 Hey, wake up, bro.

00:34:08.000 That is so crazy.

00:34:11.000 What kind of...

00:34:12.000 Oh, my God, it's biting his ears!

00:34:15.000 He's kissing him, too.

00:34:16.000 He's making out with him.

00:34:17.000 He's like, bro, I'm going to fuck you if you don't wake up.

00:34:20.000 And the crowd goes crazy because they want him to keep going.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, it's really about grit and about heart.

00:34:27.000 And he goes back.

00:34:27.000 After 30 seconds, he ends up winning.

00:34:30.000 Are they gambling here as well?

00:34:32.000 I'm not aware of it.

00:34:34.000 Really?

00:34:34.000 I think a little bit.

00:34:35.000 But it's not only Thailand.

00:34:36.000 I know there's no alcohol.

00:34:38.000 It's really about Lithuania.

00:34:39.000 But it's not like Thailand.

00:34:41.000 Yeah.

00:34:41.000 Okay, so here's Cyrus Washington.

00:34:44.000 They put his mouthpiece in, and he's aware of the rules, right?

00:34:46.000 So he knows he knocked him out.

00:34:48.000 Yeah, but then it's a long time after that.

00:34:50.000 How much time?

00:34:50.000 It's a long time.

00:34:51.000 Like how long?

00:34:52.000 At the end of the fifth round.

00:34:54.000 But how much time do they give him?

00:34:55.000 A break?

00:34:57.000 It's a minute or two, a break in between rounds.

00:34:59.000 No, but I mean while he got knocked out to revive him.

00:35:02.000 It was a two minute break.

00:35:03.000 Just two minutes?

00:35:04.000 Yeah.

00:35:04.000 Oh, look at this.

00:35:05.000 He's already back to it, you know?

00:35:06.000 That is crazy.

00:35:07.000 It was knockout cold.

00:35:08.000 That's crazy.

00:35:09.000 Boy, this is so bad for your brain.

00:35:12.000 So I fought both of them.

00:35:13.000 I fought Cyrus and I fought Tuntumin three times.

00:35:16.000 So basically, oh look, yeah, this is the end.

00:35:18.000 So Cyrus just quit?

00:35:19.000 Yeah, Tao was there like it's over.

00:35:21.000 Wow.

00:35:21.000 It's over.

00:35:22.000 So Tuntumin won the fight.

00:35:23.000 Wow.

00:35:25.000 Wow, that's crazy.

00:35:27.000 Welcome to the world of Letoi.

00:35:29.000 But that's so insane that they revive him.

00:35:32.000 I mean, that motherfucker was out cold.

00:35:34.000 So to the men now, like that, I have a big rivalry with him.

00:35:38.000 We had a trilogy fight together, and he's...

00:35:42.000 One of the strongest guys I've ever saw in my life.

00:35:44.000 He's almost immune to...

00:35:48.000 I don't know.

00:35:48.000 He's tough.

00:35:50.000 But think about it.

00:35:51.000 I was watching...

00:35:51.000 When I got into Latoya, my coach showed me fights.

00:35:54.000 I saw his fights, right?

00:35:57.000 And I was like, it seems so far away to go actually there.

00:36:00.000 I was a little kid from Montreal, you know, from Gatineau actually.

00:36:04.000 And then...

00:36:06.000 Fast forward a couple years later, I'm fighting him for the most anticipated rematch in Latwe history.

00:36:12.000 It was everywhere in the country, live on national TV. It was like 30 million people watching it, almost the whole country.

00:36:20.000 It was insane.

00:36:21.000 30 million people?

00:36:22.000 It's crazy.

00:36:23.000 People in the huts have a satellite, and the people gather in the villages.

00:36:27.000 They don't have electricity, but they don't have running bathrooms, but they have a TV with a satellite.

00:36:34.000 And then we fight in December last year.

00:36:37.000 And actually, you showed my headbutt last time.

00:36:40.000 That was for him.

00:36:41.000 Oh, yeah?

00:36:42.000 You know the headbutt knockdown that you showed?

00:36:44.000 Yeah.

00:36:45.000 And he said, like, this dude do it a lot.

00:36:47.000 Yeah.

00:36:47.000 Because people were saying, oh, headbutt doesn't work.

00:36:49.000 He's like, no, no.

00:36:50.000 Yeah, that was during Fight Companion.

00:36:52.000 Yeah, I was telling them, no, no, no, you got to see Dave.

00:36:54.000 You're good, man.

00:36:55.000 That was good.

00:36:55.000 I appreciated that.

00:36:57.000 So yeah, that was my first headbutt knockdown like this.

00:37:02.000 I use the head to create distance.

00:37:05.000 So let's say we're in the clinch, right?

00:37:06.000 I would put my forehead, the hard part of my skull, on the jaw, on the mastoid muscle here, and I would just use it to push.

00:37:16.000 And then I couldn't bring it back.

00:37:17.000 So create space and then headbutt.

00:37:19.000 Now, the way you work the pads with headbutts, is that something that you invented?

00:37:24.000 I was never told, so I just started.

00:37:26.000 I wanted to get better, so I started doing it.

00:37:28.000 I pretty much invented it.

00:37:30.000 Wow.

00:37:30.000 I mean, I cannot put invented, but I started doing it.

00:37:33.000 Well, you started actually doing pad work for headbutts, though.

00:37:37.000 Yeah, in a more refined way, because they do that in Myanmar, a little bit of headbutts on the pad, but I want it in a more refined way, and following up with the...

00:37:43.000 Oh, look at this.

00:37:45.000 You do it with a cord.

00:37:46.000 Oh, that's so ridiculous.

00:37:49.000 What is Neckflex?

00:37:50.000 Is that something like the Iron Neck, like the same sort of a deal?

00:37:53.000 Yeah.

00:37:53.000 To be honest, I don't know if you're...

00:37:54.000 That's for you.

00:37:55.000 Okay.

00:37:56.000 Look at that.

00:37:57.000 So it's a chain for weights and then a cord.

00:38:00.000 So this is my lifesaver, man, for my neck, to be honest.

00:38:02.000 I used to have those, you know, the blighty thing in Thailand?

00:38:05.000 Right.

00:38:06.000 With the freaking concrete thing.

00:38:08.000 Yeah, explain what that is.

00:38:09.000 So basically for people at home, it's like a cord.

00:38:11.000 I was always the last guy after the gym to go train my neck because I feel like it helps for headbutt prevention and concussions and everything, right?

00:38:18.000 Definitely helps concussion prevention.

00:38:20.000 And I feel like if you would punch me in on the front, what absorbs the impact would be my sternocleidomastoid muscle.

00:38:25.000 Yeah.

00:38:27.000 So then I started doing this, but when you bite a weight and you pull it up, it works the back of the neck.

00:38:33.000 But then I was doing neck raises.

00:38:35.000 I was on my back, and I was doing neck raises for the front of the neck.

00:38:39.000 But then I was getting a bit stronger, so I was putting kettlebell on my forehead to get stronger.

00:38:45.000 But then I can't carry this biteable neck on my trips, on my tours.

00:38:51.000 So then this guy reaches up, he's like, well, you can bring that in your luggage, and then you can put a 45 pound on it if you want.

00:38:57.000 That's pretty practical, right?

00:38:59.000 So then I started just doing my neck like this, and I like it.

00:39:02.000 It's practical.

00:39:03.000 When I'm on tour right now, I can just do my neck in any gym with a weight.

00:39:07.000 Have you ever used an iron neck?

00:39:09.000 No, no, no.

00:39:09.000 I have one out here.

00:39:10.000 I want you to try it.

00:39:11.000 Because I think it's the best for training your neck.

00:39:13.000 Because it allows you to rotate.

00:39:15.000 So you put it on.

00:39:16.000 It's like a halo.

00:39:17.000 And it has a 50 pound bungee cord.

00:39:19.000 You like it?

00:39:19.000 I love it.

00:39:21.000 Grapplers love it.

00:39:21.000 Like John Jack Machado swears by it.

00:39:23.000 But can you do like heavy weights?

00:39:24.000 Because this I can do like a 45 pound.

00:39:26.000 No, you don't.

00:39:27.000 You don't do weights?

00:39:28.000 No.

00:39:29.000 So the idea is that...

00:39:29.000 You don't think it would be good to do weights?

00:39:31.000 I don't know.

00:39:32.000 See, it's very controversial.

00:39:34.000 Some people think that when you're doing like the traditional...

00:39:38.000 I have one of those head things, a leather thing with a chain like that.

00:39:41.000 You put a plate on it and you do these.

00:39:43.000 I've done these.

00:39:43.000 But some people think that that motion with weights puts unnecessary pressure on your discs.

00:39:48.000 Okay.

00:39:48.000 So the idea with the iron neck is there's never any pressure on your disc because your neck is straight.

00:39:53.000 So you get a halo.

00:39:54.000 The halo sits on top of your head.

00:39:55.000 It forms.

00:39:56.000 I saw that picture, yeah.

00:39:57.000 You pump it up so it gets tight to your head.

00:39:59.000 But I feel like all those twisting can be a bit not detrimental for the disc.

00:40:04.000 You twist a lot.

00:40:05.000 Just got to try it.

00:40:05.000 We'll try it afterwards.

00:40:06.000 I'll show it to you.

00:40:07.000 I mean, I'm not a physiologist, but I've talked to people that I really respect and they don't like the weight thing.

00:40:16.000 Okay.

00:40:17.000 Well, I guess, because I use the weight and I feel like, like, actually, maybe you saw a video I did with Bass the other day in LA with Bass.

00:40:23.000 No, I didn't see it.

00:40:24.000 Yeah, put it up.

00:40:24.000 When was this?

00:40:25.000 It was eagle throat in the neck.

00:40:26.000 Oh, eagle throat in the neck is legit.

00:40:29.000 I tell people that.

00:40:30.000 Like, if someone's fucking with you, like, just grab their neck, slam them in the neck like that.

00:40:35.000 But this, I feel like, as I'm doing more neck, my muscle overlaps my trachea, right?

00:40:39.000 Oh, yeah, all this?

00:40:40.000 Yeah.

00:40:40.000 This stuff right here?

00:40:41.000 Yeah, man.

00:40:42.000 Get in there, girl.

00:40:43.000 Get that shit, bro.

00:40:49.000 Damn man, you got a lot of muscle in there.

00:40:51.000 So you're doing a lot of this stuff?

00:40:53.000 A lot of neck raises.

00:40:54.000 Are you doing it every day?

00:40:55.000 Every two days.

00:40:56.000 Do you do neck bridges as well?

00:40:58.000 Yes.

00:40:58.000 You do those as well?

00:40:59.000 Yeah, neck raises back and front.

00:41:00.000 Yeah.

00:41:01.000 Pendulum and everything.

00:41:02.000 But I'm not doing like side.

00:41:04.000 I'm just doing frontal because I don't want to risk it.

00:41:08.000 Yeah.

00:41:08.000 Tyson was doing a lot of...

00:41:10.000 He fucked his neck up too.

00:41:11.000 Tyson had to get surgery on his neck.

00:41:13.000 It's risky to neck raise.

00:41:14.000 If you don't do well, you can hurt your back.

00:41:16.000 Yeah, neck bridges are...

00:41:17.000 A lot of wrestlers want to fucking their neck up on that.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:19.000 I mean, you put a lot of weight.

00:41:21.000 You see that arc when you're rolling back and forth.

00:41:24.000 The thing is, it's tremendous pressure on the discs.

00:41:27.000 It's an unnatural pressure.

00:41:28.000 This is the whole concept behind the Iron Neck.

00:41:31.000 You don't put that kind of pressure because you never have a flexation of the neck while you're strengthening it.

00:41:38.000 But definitely, for example, let's say you're by the neck where I put the neck flex on my head.

00:41:43.000 When I do this, I feel like all my traps are working.

00:41:46.000 So I feel it's like any muscle, like bicep.

00:41:49.000 Build up muscle and frontal will be neck raises.

00:41:54.000 Are you doing trap work as well?

00:41:55.000 Do you do shrugs and things like that?

00:41:58.000 I'm not the biggest guy, but I feel like a strong neck, a strong back, everything is crucial.

00:42:03.000 And again, for people at home, when you do a head butt, why I say train your fucking neck, right?

00:42:08.000 It's not because I want to do a whip with my head.

00:42:11.000 That's actually when it's detrimental for your spine.

00:42:13.000 When I do a headbutt, if you look at all my videos and headbutts, it's like my spine is rock solid, and you use your legs.

00:42:21.000 So your head is stable, your neck is stable, but it's strong, but then you push with your legs to create a good headbutt.

00:42:27.000 Yeah, you're developing real power with that headbutt.

00:42:30.000 It's not just like a thump, like a thoughtless sort of a thump.

00:42:33.000 No, you want it to feel.

00:42:34.000 You're doing it like a technique.

00:42:35.000 Yeah, and then you would actually, people would say, oh...

00:42:37.000 And we can talk about this, but if you do headbutts, it's going to be brain damage.

00:42:41.000 Well, first of all, any martial art, any contact sport, there's a risk.

00:42:45.000 We're not playing soccer here, right?

00:42:47.000 And even if you are, soccer players get brain damage from heading the ball.

00:42:50.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:42:51.000 So, I mean, let's do what we have.

00:42:52.000 Life is short.

00:42:53.000 We don't know what's going to happen after.

00:42:54.000 So, let's do what we love.

00:42:56.000 I love doing headbutts.

00:42:57.000 So, you know...

00:42:58.000 So basically, I feel like if you hit with a hard part of your skull, like the horseshoe, I feel like you're inflicting maximum damage to your opponent, but not to myself.

00:43:09.000 There's a great video of a girl, like a girl who's this fucking guy is in her face talking shit outside of a bar, and she grabs his collars.

00:43:18.000 She grabs his collars and fucking slams her head into him and he goes out.

00:43:23.000 It's the best.

00:43:24.000 It's hilarious.

00:43:25.000 This guy's way bigger than her.

00:43:27.000 He's just being a dick.

00:43:29.000 And she's like, oh yeah?

00:43:30.000 Okay.

00:43:30.000 BANG! If I have a daughter one day, I want to teach her headbutt and kick in the ground.

00:43:37.000 Here it is.

00:43:39.000 Watch it.

00:43:40.000 This is a fucking hilarious video.

00:43:42.000 So this guy is like...

00:43:44.000 Oh, you see there?

00:43:46.000 They're in the middle of this thing.

00:43:48.000 When does it actually happen?

00:43:50.000 The guy is pushing her and backing her up.

00:43:53.000 Boom!

00:43:54.000 Look at that.

00:43:54.000 Out cold, bitch.

00:43:56.000 She's like, fuck you.

00:43:59.000 He's pushing her.

00:44:00.000 Yeah, she's tiny.

00:44:01.000 Way smaller than him.

00:44:02.000 I don't know what was being said, but he was pushing her and pushing her back.

00:44:05.000 She's like, you're out, bitch.

00:44:07.000 Boom!

00:44:08.000 That girl probably wakes up in the middle of the night when she has to pee and thinks about that.

00:44:13.000 It's like, yeah, I got that motherfucker.

00:44:15.000 I got him.

00:44:16.000 Boom!

00:44:17.000 He said she used her legs to do it.

00:44:19.000 Oh, fuck yeah, dude.

00:44:20.000 That girl, she did it well.

00:44:21.000 Somebody taught her, or she just has good instincts.

00:44:24.000 WLC get her a Lithuanian contract.

00:44:27.000 Do they have women that fight Latoya?

00:44:28.000 Yes, sir.

00:44:29.000 Really?

00:44:29.000 Maybe you've heard about it.

00:44:31.000 She was on the Ultimate Fighter show with Hulia.

00:44:35.000 She's a Lithuanian.

00:44:36.000 And she went pretty far, I think.

00:44:38.000 But from Lithuania, she won in Japan.

00:44:41.000 Latoya is getting pretty big in Japan.

00:44:43.000 Really?

00:44:43.000 Interesting.

00:44:44.000 There's a Latoya in Japan.

00:44:45.000 I fought there three times in Tokyo.

00:44:48.000 No kidding.

00:44:48.000 Latoya is, yeah.

00:44:49.000 Well, I know that the awareness of it is growing.

00:44:52.000 Like, what is the internet?

00:44:53.000 Is that what's making people more aware of it?

00:44:55.000 Some people say the internet.

00:44:56.000 Some people say it's Dave.

00:44:57.000 I don't know.

00:44:58.000 Maybe you.

00:44:58.000 Well, it's you too, I'm sure.

00:45:00.000 You know, that there's like a face that speaks English that, you know, is the head guy.

00:45:05.000 You couldn't have like Tung Tung speak in English, right?

00:45:07.000 Right, right.

00:45:07.000 It's hard to get excited about it.

00:45:09.000 Sometimes that's all it takes is like someone who crosses over becomes the best at it from another country and then you can speak English clearly.

00:45:16.000 Not bad.

00:45:16.000 No accent.

00:45:17.000 Well, you obviously have an accent, but it's clear.

00:45:19.000 You know, I actually learned English while watching Fear Factor.

00:45:23.000 No, you didn't.

00:45:25.000 I was watching it in Quebec.

00:45:27.000 Maybe, but that's not how you learned English.

00:45:28.000 That's why I swear so much.

00:45:30.000 I'm joking.

00:45:31.000 I never swore on Fear Factor.

00:45:33.000 That doesn't even make any sense.

00:45:34.000 How many fights have you had over there?

00:45:36.000 I'm over 10. It's like I choose right now.

00:45:39.000 My first couple years, I was doing like six fights, like four or five fights, and I was getting like super...

00:45:47.000 Not depressed, but it was very redundant.

00:45:49.000 It's like every two months, same technique, same pad session, same thing, same running, same heels.

00:45:54.000 And I was getting injured everywhere.

00:45:56.000 My elbows were hurt, my knuckles were swollen.

00:45:59.000 So I called my wife and I called her after training.

00:46:02.000 I was like, can we just take a break?

00:46:04.000 And now I negotiated a very good contract with the WLC and they take care of me.

00:46:10.000 So I'm able to take one or two fights a year.

00:46:14.000 Oh, that's great.

00:46:15.000 So, how many fights have you had total?

00:46:17.000 I would say, I would have to check, I think Wikipedia has it, like maybe 12 or 11, something like that.

00:46:23.000 But then, yeah.

00:46:24.000 So, this year I only fight once.

00:46:26.000 And so, it's better, you think, to do it that way?

00:46:29.000 I'm still like, it's like a dog on a leash with a, I'm hungry to go fight.

00:46:33.000 And I actually have a, they fight like once every two months.

00:46:36.000 They fight a lot, right?

00:46:38.000 The Burmese.

00:46:38.000 And I feel, one guy actually fights four times this month.

00:46:41.000 Like a young, one Burmese fighter, he fights four times.

00:46:44.000 I'm like, wow!

00:46:45.000 But I feel like I have a, unwillingly, I'm happy with it, but like an ambassador, right?

00:46:50.000 So I have to, not only for the sport, for the country too.

00:46:53.000 Right.

00:46:53.000 So I have to do a lot of other work.

00:46:55.000 So right now I'm working on my online academy.

00:46:57.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:46:57.000 So people can learn Lithuania via videos.

00:47:00.000 I need to film like a lot of videos.

00:47:02.000 And you are really famous in Myanmar, right?

00:47:04.000 Like someone told me that your wedding...

00:47:07.000 30 million people watched your wedding on television there?

00:47:10.000 More than that, I think, but yeah.

00:47:11.000 That's fucking insane.

00:47:12.000 So the story, that's like, look, so now we go back to the story.

00:47:15.000 When I went over after a prison fight, I went to Myanmar, then after...

00:47:20.000 We didn't even talk about the prison fight.

00:47:21.000 We kind of skipped over it.

00:47:22.000 I mean, I won.

00:47:24.000 I think the more important is the lightweight part.

00:47:26.000 I talked about it because that was my connection to the promoter.

00:47:30.000 Oh, okay.

00:47:31.000 Then the promoter gets me to Latwe, and then I beat up Tutu, and then I get right away challenged by Tutu Min, the openweight.

00:47:39.000 So the best in the country.

00:47:41.000 When you openweight champion, you're the best in the world in Latwe, right?

00:47:44.000 The biggest and the strongest.

00:47:46.000 So he's a third, fourth, five generation Latwe.

00:47:49.000 His grandfather was a Latwe fighter, and they were all golden belts winners.

00:47:53.000 Right?

00:47:53.000 So he's born in the...

00:47:54.000 Like, if you look where he lives, it's raw, man.

00:47:56.000 It's lahat.

00:47:57.000 It's in the jungle.

00:47:58.000 And he's raised in the headbuck culture.

00:48:01.000 Like, you know, he's an animal.

00:48:03.000 He's a headhunter.

00:48:03.000 He just goes for the head and he has a good right hand.

00:48:06.000 So I'm like...

00:48:07.000 And I knew right away after that fight with Tutu, he was fighting that night too.

00:48:12.000 So I go shake his hand.

00:48:13.000 He doesn't know yes and no in English.

00:48:15.000 That's how bad he is.

00:48:16.000 And I say, good fight.

00:48:17.000 And he's like, you just give me a head nod.

00:48:19.000 And I knew that we were going to meet.

00:48:20.000 So we meet.

00:48:22.000 And then, where was I going with this?

00:48:25.000 Basically, what was your question, Joe?

00:48:27.000 No, just keep going so you meet him.

00:48:30.000 With the first fight, I think it's important to talk about this because I was only in my second lightweight fight ever, right?

00:48:36.000 And I'm fighting the best.

00:48:37.000 Two legends in a row.

00:48:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:39.000 So I'm like, they want to get me, like, oh, Tutu didn't get him, so let's get Tutu Min to fuck him up, right?

00:48:44.000 So I go back, I was at Tiger at the time, and that was, we'll go back to this later, but they were laughing at me because I was doing headbutts on the bags, and they were, it was all a big show every time I was doing headbutts, right?

00:48:55.000 Like, oh, look at Dave doing this, and I had to teach this guy with 300 My coach at the time, my pad holder at the time, I had to teach him how to hold pads for headbutts.

00:49:04.000 And that's the way I developed the way to do jab, cross, hook, headbutt, elbow, stuff like that.

00:49:09.000 So then they're laughing, okay, cool, I don't care, I'm winning fights.

00:49:12.000 I go there, and first fight, that's the hard part, man.

00:49:17.000 The first round, the first couple of rounds, the three rounds, I push kick his stomach and he grabs it and he sweeps my other leg many times.

00:49:25.000 So I actually sectioned the back of my leg.

00:49:29.000 I had to do physio, like my nerves, I think in the back of my right leg was sectioned.

00:49:34.000 Maybe not sectioned, but like severely damaged.

00:49:37.000 So yeah, section would be pretty bad.

00:49:41.000 What do you mean by sectioned?

00:49:42.000 Does that mean like tear?

00:49:44.000 Yeah, it was like damage.

00:49:47.000 Is that from kicking the back of your leg?

00:49:49.000 I think it's because he did it many times in the same spot on the back of my knee, which there's a lot of nerves.

00:49:53.000 So he's catching your teep kick and then kicking your other leg?

00:49:56.000 Yes.

00:49:56.000 Okay.

00:49:57.000 So then many times and I don't...

00:49:58.000 So it's tearing.

00:49:59.000 Yeah.

00:50:00.000 And I don't really, I'm like, what the fuck?

00:50:02.000 Because I want to go inside, I want to do my elbows and I can't because I, and so then adaptation I think is key in life as well, right?

00:50:09.000 You need to adapt.

00:50:10.000 And so again, this guy is 70 fights, you know, I think he had like all my chaos, he's just smashing everyone.

00:50:19.000 And then I started adapting.

00:50:23.000 I went to the leg instead.

00:50:25.000 Push kick to the leg instead of the tummy.

00:50:27.000 And you couldn't catch it anymore.

00:50:28.000 And then it was making buckle up.

00:50:30.000 So that was a big thing in my...

00:50:32.000 So you're hitting him above the thigh, hyperextending the knee...

00:50:35.000 And he can't get in.

00:50:36.000 So he's a bull.

00:50:36.000 They call him the bull.

00:50:37.000 So he goes inside.

00:50:38.000 He can't go inside if I'm pushing his leg too much, right?

00:50:40.000 So he's having a hard time and he's gassing out a little bit because he usually knocks him out in the first round.

00:50:47.000 He goes far, right?

00:50:48.000 So then I'm like, I knocked him out a couple of times, knocked him down a couple of times at the end of the fight.

00:50:54.000 So it was a real draw, right?

00:50:55.000 It was a real draw.

00:50:56.000 So we ended up the first fight as a draw, but then right away, automatic rematch, we fight you again.

00:51:01.000 How long?

00:51:01.000 Two months.

00:51:02.000 Two months.

00:51:03.000 Your leg is fucked up.

00:51:04.000 Yeah.

00:51:04.000 But then it was an added sweetener.

00:51:08.000 Again, I'm very emotional today.

00:51:10.000 I have goosebumps.

00:51:11.000 Because it changed my life, Joe.

00:51:13.000 Basically, if you win this fight, it's going to be December 2016. If you win this fight, we're going to pay for your wedding.

00:51:22.000 And it's for the golden belt.

00:51:24.000 So the other one was only a challenge fight, but this was actually for the title fight.

00:51:30.000 So I got two draws, and now it's like title fight.

00:51:34.000 So I'm like, let's go.

00:51:35.000 I train, and I train hard.

00:51:38.000 And yeah, we meet up again.

00:51:41.000 And now I... Because I proposed to Irina after the other fight in Bagan.

00:51:47.000 By the way, if you have a chance to go there, beautiful.

00:51:49.000 10,000 temples.

00:51:50.000 UNESCO protected temples.

00:51:52.000 And you go there at 5 a.m., 4 a.m.

00:51:54.000 And you see the sunrise on those temples.

00:51:56.000 And there's a hot air balloon.

00:51:58.000 It's beautiful.

00:51:59.000 So I proposed to Irina in Russian.

00:52:02.000 I learned my script in Russian, and she says yes.

00:52:06.000 I don't know how it tricked her to love me.

00:52:09.000 So we go there, but then it makes the news in Myanmar, right?

00:52:12.000 So they've got engaged in Baghdad.

00:52:14.000 So then the promoter calls me, so, hey, you got that fight in December?

00:52:17.000 If you win, you want to get married in Myanmar?

00:52:19.000 I said, yeah.

00:52:19.000 So it's going to be a Myanmar traditional wedding.

00:52:22.000 So full gold with, like, I'll show you pictures.

00:52:25.000 It's pretty cool.

00:52:26.000 Wow.

00:52:26.000 I said, but it's going to be like, we're going to make an event out of this.

00:52:30.000 So obviously he's not stupid.

00:52:31.000 The guy pays 20 grand, but he's going to make an, he's going to, he's going to put it on television.

00:52:36.000 Yeah, a bit like what they did with, you know, they, they help, they help Connor or whatever.

00:52:39.000 Like they want to build a fire, you know?

00:52:41.000 Sure, sure.

00:52:41.000 So it's live on TV, and it's a BBC freaking everything.

00:52:46.000 So I had a lot of pressure.

00:52:48.000 I had to win.

00:52:49.000 I don't want my wife to...

00:52:49.000 Because the wedding was going to happen regardless, right?

00:52:51.000 But this could be a better wedding, right?

00:52:53.000 Yeah, I don't want to...

00:52:53.000 Look at you guys.

00:52:55.000 That's not the most glamorous one.

00:52:57.000 Maybe there's another one.

00:52:58.000 It's pretty cool, man.

00:52:58.000 This one, yeah.

00:53:00.000 Wow.

00:53:01.000 Yeah, pretty cool.

00:53:02.000 So you have Irina Terehova and Dave Lezuk in Burmese language.

00:53:05.000 Wow.

00:53:06.000 That was pictures from BBC. Wow.

00:53:08.000 Look at my hat.

00:53:09.000 Maybe, Jamie, you can go on the left.

00:53:12.000 Maybe you can see the hat.

00:53:13.000 This one, yeah.

00:53:14.000 Look, I have a hat.

00:53:16.000 It's pretty cool.

00:53:16.000 What is that hat called?

00:53:18.000 I don't know the name, but when you see my skirt, it's called a longi.

00:53:23.000 Longi.

00:53:24.000 Everybody in Myanmar has that.

00:53:26.000 It's also in India.

00:53:28.000 In India, they call that a longi.

00:53:30.000 In Myanmar, they call it a longi.

00:53:32.000 Most comfortable thing in the world.

00:53:34.000 You wear that.

00:53:35.000 Is it like a kilt?

00:53:36.000 Yeah.

00:53:36.000 I have one for you.

00:53:37.000 You have one for me.

00:53:41.000 It's directly from Myanmar.

00:53:43.000 It fits in that little tiny bag?

00:53:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:45.000 So you're going to...

00:53:46.000 Look, it's like a long thing.

00:53:48.000 This is directly from Burma.

00:53:49.000 Oh.

00:53:50.000 And basically, yeah, it's...

00:53:51.000 So it's like a kilt.

00:53:52.000 It's like a kilt.

00:53:53.000 No, a kilt would be knee up.

00:53:55.000 Right.

00:53:55.000 And this is lower?

00:53:56.000 This one is all the way down.

00:53:57.000 Oh, all the way down the ground.

00:53:58.000 And I have a story for that.

00:54:00.000 Okay.

00:54:00.000 So this actually, like, I don't give you expensive gifts.

00:54:02.000 The dudes wear underwear?

00:54:03.000 That's a dollar, by the way.

00:54:04.000 A dollar.

00:54:05.000 Nice.

00:54:05.000 Sweet.

00:54:06.000 Now, do these guys wear underwear under this or are they free balling?

00:54:10.000 The commando.

00:54:10.000 No, you wear underwear.

00:54:12.000 Okay.

00:54:12.000 But then the story with this, and we'll go back to the fight, guys.

00:54:15.000 It's just that people wear that, very comfortable, but then when the war happens, you put it up, and it looks almost like a diaper, right?

00:54:25.000 And you can kick, because this you can't kick with this.

00:54:27.000 Oh, I see.

00:54:28.000 And you put it up, and then it shows off your leg tats, because they have a big tradition of leg tattoos.

00:54:33.000 Oh, okay.

00:54:33.000 That's where you get all your tattoos in your legs?

00:54:35.000 Yeah.

00:54:35.000 Does it come from being over there?

00:54:37.000 Yeah, okay.

00:54:37.000 Yeah, so I waited before having them because I wanted to make sure I deserved them.

00:54:41.000 Ah, interesting.

00:54:42.000 Okay, cool.

00:54:43.000 And basically, so I like that because when you don't know who's a fighter unless you see it at your face, but then let's say the war was happening, boom, everybody gets their lungy up and they're ready for battle and you see, oh, he's a fighter, oh, he's a fighter, oh, he's a fighter, right?

00:54:56.000 Because the legs are tied up.

00:54:57.000 Got it.

00:54:58.000 Back in the days, everybody had, every fighter that was fighting it had the toquin, it's called.

00:55:03.000 Okay, so back to the fight.

00:55:05.000 Yes, so because we're doing a big one-on-one about Myanmar right now.

00:55:10.000 It's so many things to talk about.

00:55:12.000 So the fight, and then I started, I actually had a Canadian TV following me for that fight, and he usually told me that when we follow somebody, the guy never wins.

00:55:23.000 but i was like pretty happy so i ended up uh i get him like a takedown i'm bloody i get him with an elbow in the face his head is like open up a pretty big gap in the head he's bleeding and then i get a takedown but i'm using a lot of my teeth this time and uh like he boxed him up and i think i i the leg is their legs are not going too well and then i do a takedown and he like he falls on his leg and then he has to use his timeout so yeah they bring him back and he's he looks in pain and i tell my coroner And I'm a bit like,

00:55:53.000 I'm bleeding because he got me to cut too.

00:55:55.000 That's also pretty rare.

00:55:57.000 And then I'm here.

00:55:59.000 I said, which leg is it?

00:56:00.000 Which leg is it?

00:56:01.000 And my corner at the time is like, it's the right leg.

00:56:05.000 So I'm like, okay.

00:56:06.000 And then the two minutes ends up.

00:56:07.000 He goes back.

00:56:08.000 He looks limping a little bit.

00:56:10.000 So I'm like, I'm attacking the right leg.

00:56:12.000 So I try to hit it.

00:56:14.000 And then I do another takedown.

00:56:15.000 And he's bleeding more.

00:56:17.000 Then not long after that, it was over.

00:56:19.000 He wasn't able to get up.

00:56:21.000 And actually when he fell down, it was a beautiful, it was a pretty intense moment.

00:56:26.000 He fells down and right in front of the Canadian TV crew and the blood leaks on the floor and it's pretty intense.

00:56:33.000 Pretty cool.

00:56:35.000 I'm excited about this because there's not a lot of good quality videos about Letoe.

00:56:39.000 Right, right.

00:56:40.000 Is that available online?

00:56:43.000 Can Jamie pull that up?

00:56:44.000 I mean, if you go to my YouTube or something, you could probably see the thing while we're talking.

00:56:51.000 So this makes you the golden belt champion.

00:56:54.000 Exactly.

00:56:54.000 This is a giant moment for you.

00:56:55.000 And this also spreads the word about Latwe in Canada.

00:57:00.000 Well, not automatically, right?

00:57:01.000 Because it happens in Myanmar.

00:57:03.000 Right.

00:57:03.000 But then in Myanmar, it's just becoming like crazy people.

00:57:08.000 And we get married live on TV two days after the fight.

00:57:12.000 So it's like literally there.

00:57:13.000 Now, they don't resent you for beating up their champion now?

00:57:16.000 Well, okay, a little bit, because he's representing the entire Muslim community in Myanmar, and I'm basically without even, because I don't adhere to anything, but like basically I'm representing all like the 95 percenters, which is like Christian,

00:57:32.000 Buddhist, and like everybody else basically.

00:57:35.000 So yeah, they were so happy.

00:57:40.000 They were pretty excited because I think they knew that what was going to happen, they were going to promote their culture abroad.

00:57:46.000 So they're just happy people are promoting the sport.

00:57:50.000 Is it hard to find, Jamie?

00:57:52.000 Maybe Google new champion, I don't know.

00:57:56.000 So that was a big moment.

00:57:58.000 Now when you look at the level of fighters from Latwe versus Muay Thai, obviously there's more Muay Thai fighters.

00:58:05.000 There's more fighters, yeah.

00:58:06.000 What is the level like?

00:58:07.000 Well, obviously the guys are fucking, like everybody was, like Russians prior to coming, they were coming and fighting.

00:58:13.000 Tutun was stopping them all the time.

00:58:16.000 If you look at all the fights, they're smashing everyone bare knuckle because people are not used to...

00:58:23.000 Is this it right here?

00:58:24.000 That's not one, but...

00:58:26.000 Which one is this?

00:58:28.000 That's another fight I fought a Thai guy.

00:58:32.000 What happened, Jamie?

00:58:33.000 I think I was fine.

00:58:34.000 There's another one that's more important.

00:58:36.000 But, yeah, the guys are like...

00:58:39.000 What I was going to get out of you, seeing the level rise with all these new fighters getting into the game?

00:58:45.000 Well, as, like, for example, that was like, you know, the Lumpini champion came to Myanmar and all, like, Sayok.

00:58:52.000 I don't know if you know Muay Thai.

00:58:53.000 Like, Sayok, you know this guy?

00:58:55.000 I've heard the name.

00:58:55.000 Yeah, so he's like a Thai champion.

00:58:57.000 Lumpini champion?

00:58:58.000 I think he's...

00:59:06.000 What is the difference when Thai fighters come over there?

00:59:13.000 What gets in their way?

00:59:15.000 They're very technical.

00:59:16.000 And that brings me up to something else, but basically they're very technical and they do very well for the first couple rounds, but then when the pain threshold starts to kick in, when they start to clinch and then they get a headbutt, they're like, whoa, what's happening here, right?

00:59:27.000 And that's good that you asked me this.

00:59:29.000 If you look at Myanmar and then Thailand, two neighboring countries, they were fighting for thousands of years old.

00:59:35.000 And if you look at back in the days, the Tongtu Empire, I think, I don't know the exact date, but at that time, the Burmese Empire was like all of Southeast Asia, the biggest empire in Southeast Asia.

00:59:45.000 So they were owning all of Thailand almost, like Chiang Mai, all these things, like, you know, I'm not sure, Vietnam and Laos, all these things.

00:59:51.000 So it was very, very powerful.

00:59:52.000 So that's why they say that Leto is the ancestor of all the Mu'i.

00:59:57.000 Mu'i Lao, Mu'i Kao, Mu'i Thai.

00:59:59.000 Because it makes sense.

01:00:01.000 While they were owning all these colonies, they were dropping their seeds of their martial arts.

01:00:06.000 So then as they retreat, eventually they pushed them away and it became Burma as we go.

01:00:12.000 And now they're starting a thing called Mu'i Boran.

01:00:14.000 Yes.

01:00:15.000 In Thailand.

01:00:16.000 But then it's very suspicious, like, how come you have that sport now with no gloves and headbutts?

01:00:20.000 Mubaran is that.

01:00:21.000 Yeah.

01:00:22.000 But you were colonized for a long time by Lithuania, by Myanmar.

01:00:26.000 So it's basically their version of it.

01:00:29.000 Yeah.

01:00:29.000 And they added big ropes instead of doing bare knuckle.

01:00:31.000 Latoya was only a bit of gauze.

01:00:33.000 They added big ropes.

01:00:34.000 But at one point, the king of Thailand did a great thing to attract tourism, which removed the headbutt, and added a scoring system, and added gloves, eight-ounce glove.

01:00:46.000 And it becomes beautiful in Muay Thai, as we know, very technical, very nice.

01:00:51.000 But then what happened is that, let's say your Muay Thai guy says, hey, you have big eight-ounce glove, and by the way, if you punch, you don't score a lot of points.

01:01:01.000 It's elbows and knees and kicks that score points.

01:01:04.000 So what's going to happen over hundreds of years?

01:01:05.000 The guys are going to practice their kicks.

01:01:08.000 I think the Thai guys are the strongest kickers in the world, I believe.

01:01:13.000 So then if you go across and me, I'm like, hey, by the way, guys, no gloves, no scoring system.

01:01:19.000 And if you, it's KO only to win.

01:01:21.000 They swing for the freaking fence, right?

01:01:23.000 So that's the two different types of, so you have way less kicks in Latwe because you viralize, you prefer like, you know, no gloves because you can draw blood right away with a punch.

01:01:33.000 Makes sense?

01:01:34.000 So yeah, it's just a history course.

01:01:36.000 Have you thought about fighting more Muay Thai or maybe even fighting MMA? Yeah, but not Muay Thai though.

01:01:44.000 Not Muay Thai?

01:01:44.000 I don't want to do it again.

01:01:46.000 How come?

01:01:46.000 Well, I represent Latouille.

01:01:48.000 Yeah, so you enjoy it more?

01:01:49.000 Yeah, it's freeing.

01:01:51.000 You can do headbutts, there's no glove.

01:01:52.000 I don't want to put on gloves.

01:01:54.000 I would consider it maybe MMA. I have offers, but one championship and Bella Tour.

01:02:00.000 I was actually with Kang the other day in San Jose.

01:02:02.000 Kang Lee, for those who don't know, he's a legend of martial arts, Sanda, a specialist, and he actually calls Scott Cooker in front of me.

01:02:10.000 He's like, get him a fight.

01:02:12.000 I said, well, give me a couple years.

01:02:13.000 I have a lot of things to do to be happy with my little career, more things to do, but it's a possibility.

01:02:18.000 How old are you now?

01:02:20.000 27. 27. So you're still young.

01:02:22.000 I mean, you could make that transition into MMA if you wanted to.

01:02:26.000 We can go to this, actually.

01:02:27.000 I actually fight MMA. Two times.

01:02:30.000 I was stupid when I was younger.

01:02:35.000 So in that transition before going to prison fight, after prison fight, but in that transition, I had a year or two before raising enough money to go back.

01:02:43.000 And like I said, my first love was grappling.

01:02:45.000 So I did some fight nights, amateur MMA. I won my first MMA fight by guillotine.

01:02:53.000 And then I went there again, another guillotine.

01:02:55.000 So they gave me like the octopus.

01:02:57.000 I'm a choking guy.

01:02:59.000 And then the third fight was against GSP's prodigy, like a Japanese guy.

01:03:04.000 So I went by decision.

01:03:06.000 So I was undefeated in MMA, an amateur.

01:03:08.000 But then I go back from Thailand.

01:03:10.000 I'm super excited.

01:03:11.000 I'm doing my striking.

01:03:12.000 And I did some stupid decision.

01:03:15.000 Nobody wanted to fight.

01:03:17.000 Murni is a good fighter.

01:03:19.000 He's a good fighter.

01:03:20.000 He's in UFC now.

01:03:21.000 What's his name?

01:03:22.000 Jonathan Meunier.

01:03:22.000 He fought Colby not long ago.

01:03:25.000 So nobody wanted to fight him, and he was like, it's going to be a striking fight.

01:03:30.000 People were saying he was a great striker, so I said, let's go.

01:03:33.000 I'm the best striker, so let's do something.

01:03:34.000 So nobody was accepting the fight.

01:03:36.000 So I accepted the fight, but I think it was a bit early for my pro debut.

01:03:39.000 He was already on the radar for UFC, right?

01:03:41.000 So I took the fight at 170, but I was 170. So he was a big boy.

01:03:49.000 I think he dropped down to like from 190. But then on the feet, I'm like, I'm winning, I'm doing some good spinning punches and everything.

01:03:57.000 But then Firas is in his corner and he's like, down, bring him down.

01:04:01.000 So I'm just stupid.

01:04:02.000 I went on the floor and for me, I treated it as a BJJ competition.

01:04:07.000 When I'm on the floor, I'm on the floor.

01:04:08.000 I wasn't very developed yet.

01:04:11.000 I didn't have the ring experience yet.

01:04:13.000 Again, he was the better fighter that night for sure.

01:04:15.000 I almost had the armbar actually and I let it go.

01:04:19.000 The referee eventually stopped the fight because of elbows in the guard.

01:04:23.000 I was a bit disappointed for this.

01:04:26.000 And so it was just a bad, you know, early in my career.

01:04:30.000 Now I'm a completely different fighter.

01:04:32.000 I fought, you know, in front of thousands of people I have.

01:04:35.000 So again, he's a great fighter, but I know that it would be a different thing nowadays.

01:04:39.000 It's crazy that you became this Lethwe champion without really training Lethwe.

01:04:45.000 Like you didn't really go to a traditional Lethwe gym or learn it from them.

01:04:49.000 You basically had your own approach.

01:04:51.000 Everything together.

01:04:52.000 Yeah.

01:04:53.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:04:54.000 I think it's, like I said, Patron Martial Arts in Canada.

01:04:58.000 We do a lot of like, you know, Sanda and a lot of Sancho.

01:05:02.000 And my coach, Sifu Pat, he did like two pro fights, but he's a great coach.

01:05:07.000 He's a very great coach.

01:05:08.000 And he just built me up for it.

01:05:10.000 Because in Jeet Kune Do, he's a Sifu, right?

01:05:13.000 So in Jeet Kune Do, there's a lot of, in the pocket, there's a lot of headbutts, actually.

01:05:17.000 Everything goes.

01:05:18.000 Sure, everything goes, yeah.

01:05:19.000 So yeah, I guess that's why I kind of did everything.

01:05:24.000 What do you want to do as far as your career?

01:05:26.000 Do you want to establish some sort of dominance in Latwe before you leave and go do something else?

01:05:32.000 Well, to be honest, the only reason why I would consider going back to MMA would be because I have ego, and I think all fighters have ego, and I want to fucking avenge my loss and stuff like that.

01:05:44.000 But honestly, I'm super happy with doing this.

01:05:47.000 My goal was to be champion.

01:05:48.000 Now I've done it, so I don't need 25 belts to be happy.

01:05:51.000 Right, but now, how long do you plan on doing this?

01:05:56.000 Basically, you're the beacon right now, and a lot of people are drawn to you because you've become really the most worldwide famous left-way fighter ever.

01:06:05.000 And because of that, you're going to get these guys that come, like the Seth Bozinski's and guys who Challenge you.

01:06:11.000 Is that what you would like to do?

01:06:13.000 I'd love that.

01:06:14.000 Just be that guy and have everybody come to you and challenge you?

01:06:16.000 Until I don't have that hungriness anymore.

01:06:20.000 It would be nice if there was a broadcast of this.

01:06:24.000 That's on UFC Fight Pass now.

01:06:26.000 Is it really?

01:06:26.000 My last fight with Seth was on UFC Fight Pass.

01:06:28.000 Yes, sir.

01:06:29.000 Dude, UFC Fight Pass has everything, huh?

01:06:31.000 I know.

01:06:31.000 That's amazing.

01:06:32.000 From Burma.

01:06:33.000 They transmitted from Burma.

01:06:35.000 Wow, that's incredible.

01:06:36.000 Who's doing the commentary?

01:06:37.000 Is that Robin Black?

01:06:38.000 It was Robin Black, yeah.

01:06:38.000 All right, my man Robin.

01:06:40.000 Shout out to him.

01:06:40.000 He was good.

01:06:41.000 It was epic with this one.

01:06:42.000 No, he's excellent.

01:06:43.000 He's excellent.

01:06:44.000 So actually, next one, hopefully you can make it, it would be in either Wyoming or Florida.

01:06:49.000 When is it going to be?

01:06:50.000 June, 100% in June.

01:06:52.000 100%.

01:06:52.000 We don't know which state, though.

01:06:53.000 Okay, so it's plenty of time between now and then.

01:06:55.000 Do you know who you'd be fighting?

01:06:56.000 No, no.

01:06:57.000 No idea.

01:06:58.000 So, yeah, that's the thing.

01:06:59.000 So, if it's going to be, they're probably going to try to do it on pay-per-view or something, right?

01:07:02.000 Perhaps.

01:07:02.000 Does it have anything to do with the bare-knuckle fighting guys?

01:07:05.000 No.

01:07:05.000 Do they have anything to do with it?

01:07:06.000 Different organization.

01:07:06.000 It's going to be on UFC Fight Pass, I believe, and then people can watch it live there.

01:07:09.000 It's going to be pretty exciting.

01:07:11.000 Like, it's the first historic debut of Latwe.

01:07:13.000 Yeah.

01:07:13.000 2,000 years old of sport in the U.S. I'm so excited.

01:07:17.000 That is very exciting.

01:07:18.000 Yeah.

01:07:19.000 It's very, you know, it's like there's different styles of MMA, or rather of martial arts that enter into MMA and become effective.

01:07:27.000 Letwe, the only thing that's missing is the headbutts from MMA. You know, you have this one element of your game that you wouldn't really be able to implement.

01:07:36.000 You know what, I was joking the other day, before I received these serious offers from my memory promotion, I was like, if I go one day, I'm just going to headbutt the guy and get disqualified, and then it's going to go viral.

01:07:47.000 It's going to help.

01:07:48.000 That's before I... Well, I think 1FC would probably allow headbutts for a fight.

01:07:53.000 Oh, by the way, 1FC is actually partnering up with WLC. So they're very friend with the CEO. Yeah.

01:08:02.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:08:03.000 Well, it makes sense because they allow soccer kicks on the ground, even inside a cave.

01:08:07.000 But they actually had a Latwe, not exhibition fight, but a Latwe super fight inside of one of their shows in one championship.

01:08:14.000 Oh, really?

01:08:14.000 In Myanmar.

01:08:15.000 Oh, that makes sense.

01:08:16.000 So just to showcase the culture.

01:08:17.000 Sure, sure.

01:08:19.000 I feel like if someone like you fought over there, I mean, they have such open rules.

01:08:23.000 I mean, they have Muay Thai fights with MMA gloves.

01:08:26.000 They have regular kickboxing.

01:08:28.000 They have regular Muay Thai.

01:08:29.000 But they messaged me for that.

01:08:30.000 They wanted me to fight Muay Thai.

01:08:31.000 I don't want to fight Muay Thai.

01:08:32.000 I said, I want to fight Latoya.

01:08:34.000 He said, well, if you want to fight Latoya, go to WLC. And that's when we started getting along.

01:08:38.000 Well, they're doing grappling competitions in one FC as well.

01:08:42.000 They seem to be open to almost any martial art.

01:08:45.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:08:45.000 And also eSports now.

01:08:47.000 Like, that's the future.

01:08:48.000 What?

01:08:49.000 He's a good...

01:08:50.000 Chatri is a good fighter.

01:08:51.000 They're doing eSports?

01:08:52.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:08:53.000 One eSports.

01:08:54.000 No.

01:08:54.000 He's ahead of the wave, yeah, because it's going to be the future.

01:08:57.000 Wow.

01:08:57.000 What games?

01:08:58.000 I don't know.

01:08:59.000 Fighting games, like Street Fighter.

01:09:00.000 Fighting games?

01:09:01.000 Oh, my God.

01:09:02.000 That'd be hilarious.

01:09:03.000 If it became huge, would they have UFC and 1FC? Yeah.

01:09:07.000 The UFC. No, but I mean if they had the UFC video game.

01:09:10.000 If they were playing the UFC video game as an esport in one FC, that would be hilarious.

01:09:16.000 It really would.

01:09:18.000 Oh my god, look at that.

01:09:19.000 That's esport?

01:09:20.000 Yes.

01:09:21.000 Oh shit, okay.

01:09:22.000 One championship launches Asia's biggest esport world championship.

01:09:25.000 Wow.

01:09:26.000 Chatree is just a visionary for this.

01:09:30.000 Look at the size of that fucking arena.

01:09:33.000 Nothing shocks me more than the massive popularity of esports in terms of as a spectator sport.

01:09:38.000 Not in terms of people playing it.

01:09:40.000 I get that.

01:09:40.000 Look at the total price, like $500,000 for esports.

01:09:45.000 No, no, no.

01:09:45.000 Go to the other side.

01:09:46.000 Go to the other side, Jamie.

01:09:47.000 Let me see that picture.

01:09:47.000 Look at that.

01:09:48.000 Oh my God.

01:09:49.000 Look at that.

01:09:49.000 That's a game.

01:09:50.000 Fucking crazy, man.

01:09:51.000 World of Warcraft.

01:09:52.000 I don't know.

01:09:53.000 Is that what it is?

01:09:54.000 Yeah.

01:09:54.000 Dota 2 is what it's called.

01:09:56.000 What is Dota?

01:09:56.000 I don't know what it stands for.

01:09:57.000 It's a game I don't play.

01:09:59.000 We don't even know the game and they win half a million dollars for this.

01:10:02.000 They're like 14 years old, 15 years old, these guys.

01:10:04.000 Yeah, I mean, there's real money in video games now.

01:10:08.000 Before, parents would say, you're wasting your time.

01:10:10.000 Go play golf.

01:10:11.000 You can make money.

01:10:12.000 You can make money playing video games.

01:10:13.000 You play games?

01:10:14.000 I do, but I get addicted to it.

01:10:16.000 I have real problems.

01:10:17.000 Like a day nonstop?

01:10:19.000 Ah, you have fucking giant problems.

01:10:21.000 We set up a land room back there.

01:10:22.000 Why are you laughing?

01:10:22.000 It's true.

01:10:23.000 Because he knows.

01:10:23.000 Yeah, I just want to see how much he gets going to tell you, but yeah.

01:10:27.000 You get serious with it.

01:10:28.000 I have a real problem.

01:10:29.000 Are you an extremist?

01:10:30.000 Like, if you do something, you do it like...

01:10:31.000 Yeah, I've got real problems, man.

01:10:34.000 It's effective.

01:10:35.000 Like, look, if I want to get good at something, my brain, it's good.

01:10:39.000 Because my obsessiveness allows me to really concentrate on excellence.

01:10:43.000 But the problem is, like, there's no benefit for me getting really good at Quake Championship.

01:10:47.000 You know, that's the game we're playing, right?

01:10:49.000 Was it Quake...

01:10:51.000 Quake Champions.

01:10:53.000 That's what we're playing.

01:10:54.000 We got a land room set up back there and we play it.

01:10:57.000 Dude, I get sweaty hands.

01:10:59.000 Yeah, fuck Twitch.

01:11:00.000 We're out there playing.

01:11:02.000 We're just playing against each other.

01:11:04.000 Okay, for fun.

01:11:04.000 Yeah, man, but it's not fun.

01:11:06.000 The problem is, I mean, it is fun.

01:11:08.000 It's very fun.

01:11:09.000 It's a first-person shooter.

01:11:10.000 No, you have rocket launchers and railguns.

01:11:12.000 It's definitely fun.

01:11:13.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:11:14.000 But what's not fun is the amount of time that it takes and how crazy I get.

01:11:18.000 Where I'm, like, in the middle of the night, I'm thinking about playing it.

01:11:21.000 Like, it'll be 3 o'clock in the morning.

01:11:22.000 I've come down here.

01:11:24.000 Like, I had to do something.

01:11:25.000 I worked out.

01:11:26.000 I can't, like, I'll leave my house.

01:11:27.000 I'll come down here to work out.

01:11:28.000 I'll work out at the gym.

01:11:29.000 I'll say, fuck it, let me jump online.

01:11:30.000 Get out!

01:11:31.000 Next thing you know, I'm here for four hours just playing Quake.

01:11:34.000 I understand.

01:11:35.000 Jamie knows.

01:11:36.000 He's seen it.

01:11:36.000 He's laughing.

01:11:37.000 He's laughing at me.

01:11:38.000 Is it monsters or real people?

01:11:40.000 Well, it's robots and people with cyborgs and shit with crazy outfits on.

01:11:45.000 But the point is, it's a first-person shooter.

01:11:48.000 So you're in this 3D environment, and it's a mouse and a keyboard, and you're running down these hallways, and there's a lot of strategy involved, a lot of fast-twitch movements and aim.

01:11:56.000 But it's very, very addictive, and it's graphically very intense.

01:12:00.000 It's beautiful.

01:12:00.000 It's crazy how little boys we are.

01:12:01.000 It doesn't matter, right?

01:12:02.000 Yes.

01:12:03.000 What's up?

01:12:04.000 One of the companies that makes one of the really big esports games just announced that they're working on their first first-person shooter.

01:12:10.000 I think it's their first first-person shooter.

01:12:12.000 They did announce a title that just sort of showed a couple of things they're working on.

01:12:17.000 Not that you're going to get back into it, but it could get you back into it.

01:12:20.000 We have it right there, man.

01:12:22.000 I can't do it.

01:12:23.000 I had a quick cold turkey.

01:12:25.000 How many months were we going at it every day?

01:12:27.000 Solid three, four.

01:12:29.000 Every day, man.

01:12:31.000 Hours and hours every day.

01:12:32.000 Jamie laughed.

01:12:34.000 He's like, you guys put in more time.

01:12:35.000 Me and Jeff, who works here, we're playing so much.

01:12:38.000 We put in more time.

01:12:40.000 I had the game on my computer at home for about a year, playing it just off and on, here and there.

01:12:48.000 Probably put in like 30 or 40 hours over time playing.

01:12:51.000 They passed me in like three weeks.

01:12:54.000 Joe, you have a problem.

01:12:56.000 I'm telling you, I got a problem.

01:12:57.000 But I had a problem like that with everything, with Jiu Jitsu, with Taekwondo, with Muay Thai, everything that I get into, I get into too much.

01:13:04.000 It's a good trait, but as long as you can handle it.

01:13:07.000 You gotta know how to handle it.

01:13:08.000 Like for me, it's like, I gotta know when to cut things off.

01:13:10.000 Like stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

01:13:12.000 So for me with the video games, it's like, no, cut it out.

01:13:15.000 Because it was just eating.

01:13:16.000 I don't have any time, man.

01:13:17.000 And I have kids.

01:13:18.000 I have a family.

01:13:19.000 And I have three jobs.

01:13:20.000 I just don't.

01:13:21.000 I don't have time for these fucking video games.

01:13:23.000 But I like them too much.

01:13:24.000 I know.

01:13:24.000 I feel you.

01:13:25.000 I like them.

01:13:25.000 Now I got my phone on the airplane.

01:13:27.000 Because we took literally 20 airplanes this last couple weeks.

01:13:31.000 Oh, you play games on your phone?

01:13:32.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 Castle Defense.

01:13:35.000 I just like...

01:13:35.000 I don't have any games on my phone.

01:13:37.000 Except my kids play games on my phone sometimes.

01:13:39.000 I don't have any fucking games on my phone.

01:13:40.000 What do you do on an airplane?

01:13:41.000 You just sleep?

01:13:41.000 I read.

01:13:42.000 Okay.

01:13:43.000 I read or I write.

01:13:44.000 I write comedy material and stuff.

01:13:46.000 I write things.

01:13:47.000 I watch a movie maybe, but I don't play any games.

01:13:50.000 I just don't trust myself.

01:13:52.000 Okay.

01:13:53.000 Just get too addicted, man.

01:13:54.000 Quick, yeah?

01:13:55.000 Yeah.

01:13:56.000 You should fucking play it with us sometime.

01:13:58.000 Oh my God.

01:13:59.000 If we had more time today- I'm going to get addicted too.

01:14:00.000 Yeah, man.

01:14:01.000 I'm telling you.

01:14:01.000 It's super addictive.

01:14:02.000 I think obsession is key for any success.

01:14:04.000 Yeah.

01:14:04.000 And I think every successful people is eccentric a little bit.

01:14:07.000 Yes.

01:14:08.000 I'm fucking weird and you're weird too.

01:14:09.000 Of course.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, we're both crazy.

01:14:10.000 I think it's important.

01:14:11.000 I think you have to be crazy to dedicate massive amounts of time to something and be obsessed.

01:14:16.000 To acquire excellence in anything, I believe it requires a real, genuine obsession where that becomes the primary focus of your life.

01:14:26.000 But when you have a finite amount of time, like I do, because I already have a career, I have things that I must do, and I don't want to slack off and become a bad podcaster and become a bad comedian and fall apart in the other things that I'm focusing on because I'm focusing on a game.

01:14:44.000 I just can't.

01:14:46.000 It doesn't help me.

01:14:48.000 See, jujitsu helps me.

01:14:49.000 When I train, I feel more calm, I get better perspective.

01:14:55.000 I feel like there's something that I gain.

01:14:59.000 And also, you can only do it a certain amount of hours a day.

01:15:01.000 You can't do jujitsu six hours in a row.

01:15:03.000 You can't.

01:15:04.000 But you can play video games 10 hours in a row, 12 hours in a row.

01:15:07.000 You just keep going.

01:15:08.000 You hear this guy was like playing video games and...

01:15:10.000 They die.

01:15:11.000 People die.

01:15:12.000 They die.

01:15:12.000 They have fucking heart attacks and die.

01:15:14.000 It's very intense.

01:15:15.000 Sometimes we leave and I don't even feel good.

01:15:18.000 We leave and I feel all fucked up.

01:15:21.000 You're unhappy about yourself.

01:15:24.000 You're like, why did I do this?

01:15:25.000 You wasted a lot of time and also your system is so taxed because it's so intense.

01:15:31.000 And we're talking mad shit to each other.

01:15:33.000 It's a lot of fun.

01:15:34.000 What's up?

01:15:34.000 Just made me think of this.

01:15:37.000 An article about the amount of calories that chess masters burn.

01:15:41.000 Yes, I saw that one.

01:15:42.000 I was just thinking about the same thing.

01:15:42.000 7,000 in a tournament or something insane like that.

01:15:45.000 They lose incredible amounts of weight during these tournaments.

01:15:48.000 Well, they're just realizing now that this is a calorie thing.

01:15:52.000 That your brain, when you're under intense focus, your brain burns off a shitload of calories.

01:15:58.000 That's why I lose a lot of calories, I think.

01:16:00.000 You're a smart guy, right?

01:16:01.000 Thank you.

01:16:02.000 Yeah, but I really think that that's the same thing with video games as well.

01:16:05.000 I mean, I get out of here, man.

01:16:07.000 I'm fucking exhausted sometimes when we were in those rambling play sessions.

01:16:11.000 You should go into that e-sport thing.

01:16:13.000 Fuck that.

01:16:14.000 Imagine.

01:16:15.000 There's not enough lives to live.

01:16:17.000 That's why I don't understand when people say they're bored.

01:16:19.000 I'm like, how can you be bored?

01:16:20.000 There's so many things to do.

01:16:22.000 There's so many things you can get obsessed with.

01:16:25.000 What's your opinion?

01:16:27.000 I wanted to pick your brain on that because me and my wife, we have a pact.

01:16:31.000 And people are going to think we're crazy, but I don't give a shit.

01:16:34.000 Since we met in 2016 in Thailand, we never had a night apart.

01:16:40.000 Whoa!

01:16:41.000 No nights apart at all?

01:16:42.000 And I loved it because I said, I don't know, we have only one life, and I love her to that.

01:16:47.000 She's my life partner.

01:16:48.000 She always believed in me.

01:16:49.000 I think she's the reason why I became champion because prior to meeting her, I was just, no ambition, no nothing.

01:16:56.000 And then my point is that the reason behind that is that I want to, you need more coffee, huh?

01:17:02.000 No.

01:17:03.000 I want to spend as much time as I can because you don't know if there's something after.

01:17:10.000 What do you think?

01:17:11.000 I think you should be happy.

01:17:13.000 And if you're happy doing that, that's great.

01:17:15.000 Not about that.

01:17:16.000 I'm super happy with that.

01:17:17.000 That's my goal in life is to have as much time as I can with her.

01:17:22.000 Do you think it's helping?

01:17:25.000 No, not about the afterlife.

01:17:30.000 For science, I think it leads to that we're going to just cease existing.

01:17:37.000 Yeah, but that's not science, honestly.

01:17:39.000 Well, science is the study of how the brain works and the study of where the memory is located and what parts of the brain are affected by injury and studies on fMRI where they're measuring areas of the brain that are active during specific activities.

01:17:55.000 That's real science.

01:17:56.000 There's no real science about what happens when you die.

01:17:59.000 It's pure speculation.

01:18:00.000 I mean, our physical body, I'm saying it's going to die, right?

01:18:05.000 And then my point is, I know there's absolutely no science about that, but my point is, I'm doing speculations that if we do stop existing, we do stop living and breathing, what's our essence?

01:18:16.000 Where is it going?

01:18:17.000 Is there an energy?

01:18:19.000 Is there a spirit?

01:18:20.000 It's so hard to say.

01:18:22.000 Well, no one can really say.

01:18:24.000 It's pure speculation.

01:18:25.000 And I'm always skeptical of people that think they know for sure nothing happens as much as I'm skeptical of people that think for sure they know what happens.

01:18:33.000 It's just comforting for some people to have an answer, whether it's the lights go out and that's it.

01:18:38.000 I mean, that's Richard Dawkins' perspective.

01:18:40.000 Oh yeah, is it?

01:18:41.000 Yeah, but other people's perspective.

01:18:42.000 But he's never done psychedelics.

01:18:45.000 He's got this very reductionist perspective, scientific, based on what we know right now.

01:18:49.000 So he's adamant that when you die, you die?

01:18:51.000 Yeah, but that's nonsense.

01:18:53.000 He doesn't know.

01:18:54.000 I mean, you don't know.

01:18:55.000 I mean, I understand that he's a man of science and logic, and this is how he likes to frame the world, but the reality is no one has any idea.

01:19:03.000 And most people don't want to adhere to that train of thought because it's very scary.

01:19:06.000 Well, it's also...

01:19:08.000 If you've done psychedelic drugs, you know that there's a very strange thing that can happen to your brain and to your consciousness when it interacts with certain molecules.

01:19:17.000 What is that?

01:19:18.000 Never tried it.

01:19:19.000 Well, some people believe that that is a portal to the afterlife and that what happens when you die during periods of extreme stress, your brain produces psychedelic chemicals.

01:19:30.000 We don't know what the soul is.

01:19:33.000 Is that a real thing?

01:19:34.000 Is it nonsense?

01:19:35.000 We don't know.

01:19:37.000 Your consciousness is clearly affected by injury, injury to the brain.

01:19:43.000 It's clearly affected by age.

01:19:45.000 It's clearly affected by deterioration.

01:19:47.000 It's clearly affected by some exogenous chemicals.

01:19:50.000 But is...

01:19:52.000 Is that you?

01:19:54.000 Or is that something that your brain is housing?

01:19:58.000 I mean, what happens when you die?

01:20:00.000 Does it transfer to something else?

01:20:06.000 Does your brain, you know, house consciousness?

01:20:10.000 Or does your body house consciousness?

01:20:12.000 Or is consciousness a part of it?

01:20:14.000 And when your brain shuts off, there's no activity.

01:20:17.000 Does the consciousness cease?

01:20:18.000 Or do you transcend?

01:20:19.000 No one knows.

01:20:21.000 No one really knows.

01:20:21.000 I think Penn and Teller, what's the big guy's name?

01:20:26.000 Penn.

01:20:27.000 Penn, yeah.

01:20:28.000 I think I like what he said.

01:20:29.000 He said, we don't know.

01:20:30.000 That's the real answer.

01:20:31.000 The real answer is we don't know.

01:20:33.000 Anybody saying anything like that?

01:20:35.000 I don't know.

01:20:36.000 Maybe they know something we don't know.

01:20:37.000 It's interesting.

01:20:39.000 It's interesting to think of.

01:20:42.000 There's a lot of people that don't believe that you are the same person every day.

01:20:47.000 There's a lot of people that believe that when you go to sleep, That you wake up in the morning and you assume that all of your memories of your life, they're accurate, and that you are absolutely the person that you were when you went to bed the day before.

01:21:03.000 But you don't even know that.

01:21:05.000 You don't really know that.

01:21:08.000 You know that you have some memories that you can call upon.

01:21:14.000 Unless you record them like you do.

01:21:15.000 But even if you record them, like, who the fuck is recording it?

01:21:18.000 Are you sure that's you?

01:21:19.000 I mean, are you the same person?

01:21:21.000 I mean, there's all these ideas of many worlds, these quantum physicists, like to bring up that there's a bunch of different interactions that are happening simultaneously, and that it's so hard to even...

01:21:38.000 To even conceive of the possibility of multiple dimensions and then the possibility of infinite universes that we travel back and forth through all these different things.

01:21:53.000 And that based on the decisions that you make, based on, who the fuck knows, an infinite number of variables, that your life moves in a bunch of different directions.

01:22:04.000 You know, the idea of an infinite universe also means there's an infinite number of David Ledoux's out there.

01:22:10.000 I know, I know.

01:22:10.000 That's what's really crazy.

01:22:11.000 There's an infinite number of young Jamie's, there's an infinite number of, you know, fill in the blank, Neil deGrasse Tyson's, Mike Tyson, Vander Holyfield, there's an infinite number of them.

01:22:21.000 And they're all doing different things and all slightly different lives.

01:22:25.000 How was it when you did the DMT? I've done it a bunch of times.

01:22:30.000 It's very strange.

01:22:31.000 I'm scared of that.

01:22:32.000 You should be scared.

01:22:33.000 Okay.

01:22:33.000 I'm scared.

01:22:34.000 And what does it look like?

01:22:35.000 What does it look like?

01:22:36.000 It looks like, well, it depends on the purity of it.

01:22:38.000 When you get it really pure, it's almost like a white-looking crystal.

01:22:42.000 Sometimes it's a little bit yellowish.

01:22:43.000 It's more of a yellowish-looking crystal.

01:22:47.000 And you freebase it.

01:22:50.000 That's something that our brain creates.

01:22:52.000 Yes, your brain produces it.

01:22:54.000 It's one of the reasons why your body can bring it back to baseline so quickly.

01:22:57.000 Your body knows what to do with it.

01:22:59.000 It has it.

01:22:59.000 It's a part of your whole chemical system.

01:23:03.000 How do you read about this?

01:23:05.000 How do you come up with this?

01:23:07.000 I don't remember how I first heard of it.

01:23:10.000 I think I heard of it listening to Terrence McKenna talk about it.

01:23:13.000 I think that was the first thing I ever heard of it.

01:23:16.000 When I first did it, I couldn't believe that this is a possibility.

01:23:24.000 That this is something that exists on Earth that...

01:23:28.000 So many people don't even know about.

01:23:30.000 Did you need to lock the doors when you do it?

01:23:32.000 I mean, I did it in my living room with some friends.

01:23:37.000 How long does it last?

01:23:38.000 About 15-20 minutes.

01:23:39.000 Oh, it's short.

01:23:40.000 I thought it was like a three-day thing.

01:23:41.000 No, no, no.

01:23:43.000 It feels like it's three days.

01:23:44.000 It feels like forever and then instant.

01:23:47.000 It feels like it just happened and it also feels like forever.

01:23:50.000 But it's very strange.

01:23:51.000 It feels like you've been there before when you go there.

01:23:54.000 Really?

01:23:54.000 Yeah.

01:23:54.000 It's like you leave the world.

01:23:56.000 You leave this space and you go to some incredible dimension that seems more real than this.

01:24:02.000 It's very, very intense.

01:24:04.000 Do you think it's like something that people should experience?

01:24:09.000 I think that's up to people.

01:24:11.000 Yeah, good point.

01:24:11.000 I know we have to be careful what we say to people, but I understand.

01:24:14.000 I used to think people need to do it.

01:24:16.000 But I used to think people need to do everything.

01:24:18.000 I think you do whatever you want.

01:24:20.000 And also having children.

01:24:22.000 There's a lot of people that say, you should have children.

01:24:24.000 I don't know about that, man.

01:24:25.000 I think everybody has a different path.

01:24:26.000 I think you can be a complete...

01:24:32.000 I don't think that that's necessary.

01:24:34.000 For me, it was very educational.

01:24:36.000 It helped me a lot.

01:24:38.000 I love it.

01:24:38.000 I'm very happy to be a father.

01:24:40.000 I've learned a lot, but I don't think it's necessary.

01:24:44.000 I think you can be a complete person without a lot of experiences.

01:24:47.000 I think what's more important is like, what kind of experiences are you having with the people that you're around with and are you being fulfilled?

01:24:55.000 Like if you inherently, like inside of you, you always wanted to be a chess master, but you never I've never pursued it.

01:25:01.000 You're going to have that regret and that longing for something.

01:25:04.000 For you, if you didn't pursue that, if you didn't go after that, if you instead decide to get a job in accounting or something like that, you would have this longing to do something.

01:25:14.000 And I think everyone has a different makeup, a different psychological makeup, different personality, different interests.

01:25:20.000 And I think, there's a lot of people that are interested in things that I have no desire to do, and to them it's their whole life.

01:25:26.000 And I'm not interested in it at all, but I'm not them.

01:25:29.000 It's like finding out what it is for you.

01:25:32.000 What is it in your life that attracts you?

01:25:35.000 I've been very, very, very fortunate.

01:25:38.000 And one of the things that I've been very fortunate is, I... I would say I'm a risk taker, but it's more that I don't have any interest in doing safe things.

01:25:50.000 I don't have any interest in taking an easy job, a safe job where I know I'm going to get a paycheck every week.

01:25:56.000 This never interests me.

01:25:58.000 That seems like prison.

01:25:59.000 Yeah, me too.

01:26:00.000 I've never been able to do it.

01:26:02.000 And I always thought that I was a loser because I couldn't do that.

01:26:04.000 Because other people could work hard, and they could get a good job, and they would get a pension.

01:26:08.000 Security, whatever.

01:26:08.000 I felt, when I was young, that there was something wrong with me.

01:26:12.000 That I couldn't do that.

01:26:13.000 Because I grew up in New England.

01:26:14.000 And in Boston, everybody worked hard.

01:26:17.000 This was like a hard, blue-collar sort of environment.

01:26:20.000 I couldn't do it, man.

01:26:21.000 I couldn't do it.

01:26:22.000 These guys all showed up for work every day at 7 a.m.

01:26:25.000 I wanted to kill myself.

01:26:26.000 Did you do it a little bit?

01:26:27.000 Did you try it?

01:26:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:28.000 I tried it.

01:26:28.000 I did a lot of construction gigs and a lot of different small jobs.

01:26:33.000 It's the same reason why I left because I felt like I was missing something.

01:26:36.000 I wanted to see the world.

01:26:37.000 I wanted to leave.

01:26:38.000 Yes.

01:26:39.000 Well, that's you, though.

01:26:40.000 But look, now you're fulfilled.

01:26:42.000 You're a fulfilled person.

01:26:43.000 You're living your life, but that's you.

01:26:45.000 For a other person, that would be torture.

01:26:47.000 If you had some guy that really just wants to be a mathematician and someone's like, no, no, no, you're going to go to Myanmar.

01:26:52.000 You're going to be a fucking left-weight champion.

01:26:54.000 You'd be like, what?

01:26:54.000 I'm not headbutting anybody.

01:26:56.000 Fuck you or not, man.

01:26:57.000 You're better.

01:26:58.000 Because they're going to headbutt you.

01:26:59.000 No!

01:27:00.000 You're going to fight in prison.

01:27:01.000 What?

01:27:01.000 I'm not fighting in prison.

01:27:03.000 For the record, guys, I wasn't incarcerated, by the way.

01:27:05.000 I was invited there.

01:27:06.000 You're fighting somebody who was in prison.

01:27:08.000 But that, you know, everyone has their own path.

01:27:10.000 Some people, like, do you know who Alex Honnold is?

01:27:12.000 No.

01:27:13.000 He's the guy who they made that movie Free Solo about.

01:27:16.000 He's the guy who climbs all these mountains with no rules.

01:27:20.000 Oh my god.

01:27:21.000 My friend did it and he fell and he got disfigured but now it's healing up but he did it.

01:27:26.000 No rope.

01:27:27.000 How far did he fall?

01:27:29.000 Look, I have to show you the picture.

01:27:31.000 It was a bad fall.

01:27:32.000 It was a bad...

01:27:33.000 It looked like he got bitten by a dog.

01:27:35.000 It was like...

01:27:37.000 I guess they look for a rush.

01:27:39.000 That's an amazing rush they must get.

01:27:40.000 I think so, but Alex, the way he described it, he said it's not really a rush.

01:27:46.000 He said it's pretty mellow.

01:27:47.000 Okay.

01:27:48.000 Because if you get a rush, you're in trouble.

01:27:51.000 Yeah, true.

01:27:51.000 You know, he's like, the whole thing, but it's obviously, there's something about that intense challenge that's appealing to him that doesn't attract me at all.

01:28:00.000 Not even a little bit.

01:28:01.000 I have no fucking desire.

01:28:03.000 I don't want to even climb with ropes, but this guy loves it.

01:28:06.000 Did you do Bungie before?

01:28:07.000 Did you try Bungie?

01:28:08.000 No, never done that either.

01:28:09.000 No, fuck.

01:28:09.000 Fuck that.

01:28:10.000 Skydiving, no?

01:28:11.000 No, fuck you.

01:28:12.000 Why not?

01:28:12.000 You do DMT, but you don't do skydiving.

01:28:15.000 Some people love it, man.

01:28:17.000 I get it.

01:28:18.000 Look, my friend Andy, he's a world champion.

01:28:20.000 He holds the world record in wearing one of those wingsuits.

01:28:24.000 My friend Andy Stump.

01:28:25.000 That was a gold of mine for a while.

01:28:26.000 Oh, but he's had a bunch of friends that have died, man.

01:28:29.000 They've had to carry them off the mountain because they fucking hit the ground.

01:28:32.000 You know, guys who have jumped and then they hear a crash and then they realize that guy just slammed into a fucking tree.

01:28:38.000 He's out.

01:28:38.000 There's a really horrible video of a guy slamming into a bridge.

01:28:42.000 He was trying to go through a bridge.

01:28:44.000 He was trying to make it through the gap of a bridge.

01:28:46.000 He misjudged and he slammed right into the bridge while these people were on it filming it.

01:28:50.000 You see him come in and he just misjudges it and BAM! He hits the bridge.

01:28:55.000 It's horrific, man.

01:28:56.000 If he has a strong neck, he's fine.

01:28:59.000 See, I think...

01:29:01.000 Everybody is different.

01:29:02.000 Some people are put on this life to be a poet.

01:29:06.000 Some people are put on this life to be an author.

01:29:08.000 Describe put on this life.

01:29:10.000 Whoever you are, how you feel, what is the thing that you're drawn to?

01:29:15.000 For some people, it's architecture.

01:29:17.000 They want to build houses.

01:29:18.000 They're fascinated by the construction methods.

01:29:21.000 They're fascinated by design.

01:29:22.000 And they're just really drawn to want to build houses.

01:29:25.000 Yeah.

01:29:25.000 Some people want to make music.

01:29:27.000 Some people are drawn to lyrics and they're drawn to musical notes and bars and changes and that's their thing.

01:29:34.000 Everybody has a...

01:29:35.000 I mean, some people have many things, you know, and for some people that's their problem is they have so many things, it's hard to focus on one.

01:29:42.000 But really the key, I think, to happiness in life...

01:29:46.000 Being honest with yourself and finding whatever it is that's attractive to you.

01:29:51.000 Whatever it is that draws you.

01:29:53.000 Whether it's animation or sculpture or making clothes.

01:29:58.000 Everyone has a thing.

01:29:59.000 While you were talking there, I felt like I was in another dimension.

01:30:03.000 I was like, I lost myself.

01:30:05.000 Really?

01:30:05.000 Why?

01:30:06.000 I was like, I don't know, I'm thinking, I think I'm crazy.

01:30:12.000 Yeah, you're definitely crazy.

01:30:13.000 Yeah, of course.

01:30:15.000 To be really great at anything, I think you have to be crazy.

01:30:18.000 You're like, you're doing something and then you have the feeling like you don't know, I don't know.

01:30:21.000 You're carried away.

01:30:22.000 Yeah, you're getting carried away in the thoughts.

01:30:24.000 Yeah, I have that all the time, man.

01:30:26.000 It's a crazy life.

01:30:27.000 It is a crazy life, but it's a really crazy life if you follow your passions.

01:30:30.000 And it's a fucking crazy, boring life if you don't.

01:30:33.000 Well said.

01:30:34.000 And there's a lot of people out there that unfortunately, whether it's their family, sometimes your family, they'll try to influence you in a way to get you to do something that's safer.

01:30:44.000 I mean, my own family did that.

01:30:45.000 They were always trying to get me to...

01:30:47.000 The big one was graduate from college, graduate from university, get a degree, have a safe...

01:30:53.000 Don't just try to...

01:30:54.000 How did you do it?

01:30:55.000 Do comedy.

01:30:56.000 Because I know Gary Vee is a big proponent of that, like, you know, quit school.

01:30:59.000 And how did you do, like, because a lot of people are stuck with what their parents think.

01:31:04.000 So you just said, fuck it, I'm going to do it regardless.

01:31:06.000 Yeah, I think my parents gave up on trying to control me very young.

01:31:11.000 They didn't even want me to do martial arts when I started doing martial arts.

01:31:15.000 When did you start?

01:31:16.000 Really heavily when I was 15. I started when I was 14, but really heavily when I was 15. That's when I just became obsessed with Taekwondo and competing.

01:31:25.000 At first, they didn't want me to do it, but then that was the first thing that I ever did that made me feel like I wasn't a loser.

01:31:30.000 It was the first thing that I ever did that I got really good at.

01:31:33.000 Good at and started getting recognition from it and started winning tournaments and then I realized, wow, if I focus on something and become obsessed with something, I can get really good at it.

01:31:45.000 So that led to learning how to do that and applying that sort of same energy to other things in life.

01:31:52.000 You know, I think sometimes people just have to find a thing, whatever that thing is that really floats your boat, and then find the time.

01:31:59.000 Find the time to pursue it and set up your life so that you have the time to pursue it.

01:32:03.000 And now they're scared sometimes, oh wait, if I do this, there's not going to be income around it, but they just have to persevere and money will come and just everything is possible, I think, and it's crazy, but now that I kind of lived it, It's true.

01:32:17.000 You can do whatever you want.

01:32:19.000 Do you live in Myanmar now?

01:32:22.000 No, we actually lived in Dubai for a year.

01:32:24.000 So we lived in Thailand for three years.

01:32:26.000 Then we kind of left for Myanmar for a few months.

01:32:30.000 What brought you to Dubai?

01:32:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:32:32.000 We went to Myanmar for a few months trying to open a gym.

01:32:35.000 So I want to open the first Latwe gym.

01:32:37.000 It's on the ice for now.

01:32:38.000 It will happen when the Latwe gym.

01:32:41.000 But for now, this and then, like, it's very poor, right?

01:32:44.000 It's like 50 years behind Thailand.

01:32:46.000 It's a beautiful, very raw, very rich country.

01:32:49.000 Not rich, like meaning the culture is rich.

01:32:51.000 And then we kind of got there.

01:32:53.000 There's a real estate bubble there.

01:32:54.000 So the place we had was a two-bedroom apartment, $2,000 a month.

01:32:58.000 In Myanmar.

01:32:59.000 And it was not even downtown.

01:33:01.000 It was like outside a bit.

01:33:02.000 And so I was like, okay.

01:33:03.000 And then electricity cuts happens all the time.

01:33:04.000 You need a big-ass generator.

01:33:07.000 And then when it cuts, you don't have Wi-Fi.

01:33:08.000 I was like, my wife, she's Russian.

01:33:11.000 She really raised her standards of living.

01:33:14.000 So I want to give her the best life possible, right?

01:33:17.000 So then we get a call to do a seminar in Dubai.

01:33:19.000 We go there.

01:33:20.000 And she's like, raining season is approaching, Dave.

01:33:23.000 And when it rains, I don't want to be in Myanmar.

01:33:26.000 Because then...

01:33:26.000 Everything stops, right?

01:33:28.000 So I'm like, okay.

01:33:29.000 So imagine like, I paid a deposit on an apartment before leaving the seminar.

01:33:34.000 So it's like you're in Cleveland and you just, you pay for a place because you're there.

01:33:38.000 So you went to Dubai to do a seminar.

01:33:40.000 You said, all right, we'll stay here for a little bit.

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:41.000 Well, Dubai is very nice, right?

01:33:43.000 Yeah.

01:33:43.000 But it's a bit like, for me, it's a bit like fake.

01:33:46.000 Fake?

01:33:47.000 It's everything.

01:33:47.000 It's a concrete jungle.

01:33:48.000 I mean, the best way to put it.

01:33:49.000 Nothing grows there.

01:33:50.000 Nothing organic.

01:33:51.000 You get the raspberries and they perish in a few days.

01:33:54.000 Like, it's...

01:33:55.000 Well, it's the desert, really.

01:33:58.000 Yeah, nothing grows.

01:33:59.000 But it's cool if you want to party like Mayweather.

01:34:01.000 You just go there and you party.

01:34:03.000 Does Mayweather party in Dubai?

01:34:04.000 Everybody does.

01:34:05.000 Does it?

01:34:05.000 Rappers.

01:34:06.000 I've only been there once for the weigh-ins.

01:34:08.000 Yeah, there was a fight in Abu Dhabi and we had the weigh-ins in Dubai and we went there for a day.

01:34:13.000 The last one?

01:34:14.000 No, I didn't go to that one.

01:34:15.000 This was several years ago when Anderson Silva fought Damien Maia.

01:34:18.000 And I remember thinking, man, there's fucking Ferraris everywhere and Lamborghinis and Rolls Royces.

01:34:23.000 A lot of money.

01:34:25.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 Dubai has a lot of money.

01:34:26.000 You know, the crazy thing is that you get a nice car.

01:34:30.000 Like, I have a sponsor there.

01:34:32.000 I drive cool cars.

01:34:33.000 I'm not a big materialist.

01:34:34.000 What do you drive?

01:34:34.000 McLaren.

01:34:35.000 You got a McLaren?

01:34:36.000 Not me.

01:34:37.000 It's my sponsor.

01:34:39.000 Which one?

01:34:40.000 The 320-something S. I'm not sure.

01:34:42.000 You don't even know what it is?

01:34:43.000 I don't care.

01:34:43.000 I'm not a materialist guy.

01:34:45.000 What?

01:34:45.000 I found my sandals on the floor.

01:34:48.000 You found them?

01:34:49.000 I give all my money to my wife.

01:34:51.000 Well, they're probably somebody else's.

01:34:53.000 It had holes in it.

01:34:56.000 I really don't care about clothing.

01:34:59.000 This is a t-shirt from a fan.

01:35:03.000 Anyway, I'm not a very big materialist.

01:35:05.000 So you have a sponsor that gave you a McLaren to drive?

01:35:08.000 Yeah, when I'm there, yeah.

01:35:09.000 So now we actually left there.

01:35:10.000 Dubai?

01:35:11.000 Yeah.

01:35:11.000 And now we bought a place and we have a house that we want to grow there in Cyprus.

01:35:15.000 So now we live in Cyprus.

01:35:16.000 Is that outside of France?

01:35:18.000 It's Mediterranean.

01:35:20.000 So next to Jordan, Egypt, Turkey.

01:35:22.000 It's like the most eastern country in Europe, in the EU. What brought you there?

01:35:28.000 You know what?

01:35:29.000 And I was in Dubai with my wife.

01:35:31.000 I'm like, I don't see we can have kids here.

01:35:32.000 It's a bit like, you know, they're going to grow with bad values, I believe.

01:35:36.000 It's all about materialistic, about like, you know, everything is about the money.

01:35:39.000 You want a car, you need to pay like, to have the 111. It's a million dollars for that.

01:35:44.000 Like, it's all just bad values, I believe, for me.

01:35:46.000 Oh, you mean the license plates?

01:35:47.000 Yes.

01:35:48.000 Oh, 111 license plate.

01:35:50.000 So it's not enough to have a nice real source.

01:35:51.000 You need to have the one...

01:35:53.000 So that's an extra million right there.

01:35:54.000 That's hilarious.

01:35:55.000 They pay a million bucks for their license plate?

01:35:57.000 What a bunch of dipshits.

01:35:58.000 Thank you.

01:35:59.000 That is the dumbest fucking thing.

01:36:00.000 Who gives a fuck what your license plate says?

01:36:03.000 A million dollars?

01:36:04.000 That's when you're just running out of shit to buy.

01:36:08.000 People buy exclusive things.

01:36:10.000 There's only three of these purses.

01:36:12.000 They should make more.

01:36:13.000 It's so not important in our human life.

01:36:15.000 It's so not important.

01:36:17.000 But the license plate thing is so weird.

01:36:19.000 They have an issue with that in the United States.

01:36:21.000 They have an issue with people from other countries that bring their cars over here.

01:36:25.000 Like really rich people from Saudi Arabia.

01:36:28.000 Oh yeah?

01:36:29.000 They call it Saudi Arabian summer because in summer in Saudi Arabia, it's so fucking hot that summer in America seems like nothing.

01:36:37.000 So summer in LA, which gets to be 105 degrees, they fucking spit on that.

01:36:41.000 They laugh at that.

01:36:42.000 Like, that ain't shit.

01:36:43.000 So they bring these expensive cars like Lamborghinis and Ferraris and shit.

01:36:48.000 To save them from the summer.

01:36:50.000 When they bring them over here, and they bring them over here with Saudi Arabian plates.

01:36:54.000 So they have, like, embassy plates, and they have, like, consulate plates.

01:36:58.000 And, you know, it became an issue in parts of Beverly Hills because, like, they're not even registered, and they're not even registered in America.

01:37:05.000 And they go back after, or what?

01:37:06.000 I don't know what the fuck they do.

01:37:08.000 But they're driving these things around.

01:37:09.000 Like, I was at a hotel in Beverly Hills.

01:37:11.000 I went to a restaurant there.

01:37:13.000 And there was a car that was parked there, like a Lamborghini, that had...

01:37:17.000 Like, Saudi Arabian license plate.

01:37:19.000 I'm like, this is crazy.

01:37:20.000 Like, how do you have a Saudi Arabia plate in America?

01:37:23.000 Like, how the fuck does this even get over here?

01:37:25.000 The guy was saying, no, it's like the whole thing about license plates.

01:37:29.000 It's like a sign of opulence that they're able to ship their vehicle from there.

01:37:35.000 Not buy a car here and register it here, but ship it from there.

01:37:38.000 They drive their own car here.

01:37:39.000 That's what it is.

01:37:40.000 They bring it over here on a boat.

01:37:41.000 Oh, my God.

01:37:42.000 Yeah, so they load their shit up on boats, have it brought up here, they pick it up at the dock and then drive it around with Saudi Arabian plates.

01:37:50.000 Status, I guess.

01:37:52.000 When you deal with things like oil money, I think it gets to this level that you and I will never understand.

01:37:58.000 No.

01:37:58.000 A level of money that just doesn't...

01:38:00.000 You're born into it too.

01:38:01.000 But again, I'm also a bit grateful because the highest suicide rate is in trust fund babies.

01:38:06.000 People are born with too much and they never worked for it, so then they're unhappy.

01:38:10.000 So I think it's okay to work for your goals.

01:38:12.000 You feel more happy with it.

01:38:14.000 I think so too.

01:38:15.000 To go back to what we said, we just Googled with my wife.

01:38:17.000 We were in Dubai.

01:38:18.000 We just Googled.

01:38:18.000 So where we want to live.

01:38:19.000 So I said, what's important for us?

01:38:21.000 No snow?

01:38:22.000 So we just googled what's the best weather in the world.

01:38:24.000 We had the luxury to say that, so I said cool.

01:38:26.000 We googled it.

01:38:27.000 It gave us Spain, Cyprus, and Costa Rica.

01:38:30.000 Costa Rica was a bit too like...

01:38:31.000 A lot of bugs, monkeys, crocodiles.

01:38:34.000 Cyprus it is.

01:38:35.000 So what's it like in Cyprus?

01:38:37.000 It's like amazing.

01:38:38.000 What language do they speak?

01:38:40.000 Greek and English.

01:38:41.000 It used to be Greek.

01:38:43.000 And actually Turkish invaded four years ago.

01:38:45.000 So half the island is Turkish.

01:38:48.000 Wow.

01:38:49.000 They took it back from like years ago.

01:38:50.000 They said, oh, it's our part of the island.

01:38:52.000 So they took half of the island and the other half, the north, is all Greek.

01:38:56.000 Beautiful.

01:38:56.000 So did you learn Turkish?

01:38:58.000 No.

01:38:58.000 Did you learn Greek?

01:38:59.000 No, they speak English pretty well.

01:39:00.000 No, just speak English?

01:39:01.000 Yeah.

01:39:01.000 And actually half the people there, it's a million people in the island.

01:39:05.000 That's the country, a million people in the country.

01:39:08.000 And most of it are Russian.

01:39:09.000 So my Russian is getting pretty good.

01:39:11.000 Oh, and your wife speak Russian as well?

01:39:13.000 Yeah, she's born there.

01:39:13.000 Oh, that helps.

01:39:14.000 But she taught me, so...

01:39:16.000 Wow, you lived an international life, my man.

01:39:20.000 The nomad.

01:39:21.000 Yeah, you're all over the fucking place.

01:39:22.000 You too, you travel everywhere.

01:39:23.000 Yeah, but so now when you're training, are you training in Cyprus?

01:39:27.000 Do you have your own gym?

01:39:28.000 That's the hard part.

01:39:29.000 So right now, I would like...

01:39:30.000 In my last training camp, I came back to Canada and Montreal with Sifu Patrick.

01:39:34.000 We trained hard.

01:39:35.000 And then, now I'm like, where am I going to do my next training camp?

01:39:39.000 I have to fly maybe...

01:39:40.000 Because the high level of striking in Turkey, you know, glory, I have a friend that fought.

01:39:44.000 So I was like, maybe I'm just going to fly the guy for a month, train with me in Cyprus, and then fight, you know?

01:39:49.000 Oh, but if the fight is in June in the States, I will actually probably do my training camp again with my bad known guys.

01:39:56.000 Yes.

01:39:56.000 In Montreal.

01:39:57.000 I think I will do my training camp in Montreal again.

01:39:58.000 And that's good, too, because it'll be the spring.

01:40:00.000 It'll be fairly warm.

01:40:01.000 Oh, yeah, true.

01:40:01.000 I don't want snowmen.

01:40:03.000 I get it, man.

01:40:04.000 I grew up in Boston.

01:40:06.000 I get it.

01:40:06.000 Yeah, snow there.

01:40:07.000 Yeah, not as cold as Montreal, though.

01:40:09.000 Your area, Quebec, is quite a bit colder.

01:40:13.000 I remember thinking that Boston was cold, and then I went up to Montreal in December.

01:40:17.000 In December?

01:40:18.000 In December.

01:40:18.000 And I was like, what the fuck, man?

01:40:20.000 This is real cold.

01:40:22.000 That's next-level cold.

01:40:23.000 You don't have a Boston accent?

01:40:25.000 No, I got rid of it.

01:40:26.000 I heard myself on TV. I won the Bay State Games when I was 19. And I heard myself on TV and I was like, oh my god, that fucking accent's gotta go.

01:40:34.000 What's it like?

01:40:35.000 Boston?

01:40:35.000 Pack your car.

01:40:36.000 Okay.

01:40:37.000 Working really hard.

01:40:39.000 It's a weird accent.

01:40:41.000 It's a strange accent.

01:40:42.000 Every accent is weird.

01:40:42.000 Australian is weird too.

01:40:44.000 I think everything foreign to us is weird.

01:40:47.000 But Boston is particularly gross when women have that accent.

01:40:50.000 Okay.

01:40:51.000 It's just like, some accents are hot with women.

01:40:54.000 Like, English is hot.

01:40:55.000 You know, Georgia, Texas, that's hot.

01:40:58.000 Russian.

01:40:59.000 Russian's hot.

01:41:00.000 Boston's gross.

01:41:01.000 Yeah.

01:41:01.000 It's gross.

01:41:03.000 Even New York is better than Boston.

01:41:04.000 Something about Boston is just like, when women have it.

01:41:07.000 Men can have it.

01:41:08.000 It's cool.

01:41:08.000 It reminds me of my friends.

01:41:10.000 I like it.

01:41:10.000 Yeah.

01:41:11.000 I like when I hear it on men, but I hear it on women.

01:41:12.000 Maybe that's what the problem is.

01:41:13.000 It reminds me of girls that I dated when I was young.

01:41:15.000 Ah, that's why.

01:41:16.000 I was like, oh, let me get the fuck away from you.

01:41:17.000 You touched it right there, and that's what it is.

01:41:19.000 Yeah.

01:41:19.000 Where you going?

01:41:23.000 Yeah, so this is crazy.

01:41:25.000 So that will be definitely your next fight?

01:41:28.000 Yeah, in June.

01:41:29.000 June in the States.

01:41:29.000 100%.

01:41:30.000 So excited for this.

01:41:30.000 So you have a lot of time to think about that, man.

01:41:32.000 We're only here, it's not even November yet.

01:41:34.000 November, yeah.

01:41:35.000 So then actually now I'm in the middle of the, like, my...

01:41:39.000 You stole my name, Joe.

01:41:40.000 I called it the Dave Lezuki Experience.

01:41:43.000 Well, I stole it from Jimi Hendrix.

01:41:45.000 I stole it from Gary.

01:41:45.000 He had it before I was born.

01:41:49.000 Hendrix had the Jimi Hendrix experience in the late 60s.

01:41:52.000 It's good.

01:41:54.000 It's a worldwide brand now.

01:41:58.000 It's amazing what you've built.

01:41:59.000 It's crazy.

01:42:00.000 Congratulations for this.

01:42:00.000 Thank you.

01:42:01.000 I don't know how it happened.

01:42:02.000 It just happened.

01:42:03.000 Well, you're a personal guy.

01:42:05.000 Everybody loves you.

01:42:06.000 You deserve it.

01:42:07.000 Well, I think it's one of those things you just keep doing it.

01:42:10.000 If you just keep doing things, you just get better at doing it.

01:42:13.000 Consistency.

01:42:13.000 And I need your advice on that because I started a thing called Let's With Tuesday.

01:42:16.000 I did 35 episodes.

01:42:18.000 And while I was in Asia, and I was killing it, and it was pretty cool.

01:42:21.000 What is it?

01:42:22.000 Is it on YouTube?

01:42:23.000 Yeah, YouTube.

01:42:24.000 Yeah, I got a decent amount of views.

01:42:25.000 Not your views.

01:42:26.000 But is it instructional?

01:42:28.000 It was when I was doing my first fights.

01:42:31.000 I was teaching the headbutts and the culture.

01:42:34.000 I'm going to start it again.

01:42:36.000 Is it on YouTube right now?

01:42:38.000 Pull some of that up, Jim.

01:42:40.000 Go on the how to build your hands.

01:42:42.000 They might like this one.

01:42:42.000 Build your hands?

01:42:43.000 It's like a two-minute video.

01:42:44.000 What do you do?

01:42:44.000 So my push-ups, it's basically you can do some push-ups on your knuckle with some micro-jumps to create some micro-fractures.

01:42:52.000 And then finger push-up for all the tendons, the ligaments.

01:42:56.000 Well, you're doing that.

01:42:56.000 You're doing it with these knuckles.

01:42:58.000 You're not even doing it with the front two?

01:42:59.000 Yeah, I guess it depends.

01:43:00.000 If I'm doing my tricep, it would be those two.

01:43:02.000 Yeah, I just sit on the table.

01:43:04.000 It's hard to say.

01:43:04.000 That's the thing about...

01:43:05.000 They would always tell you in karate or anything else when you're punching, that if you're going to punch with bare knuckle...

01:43:12.000 Okay, good.

01:43:14.000 Yeah, that's all fucked up, huh?

01:43:16.000 Yeah, they get hard as shit.

01:43:17.000 Are you using anything to...

01:43:18.000 Are you like a macawarra or something?

01:43:20.000 Are you pounding on something?

01:43:22.000 I just do...

01:43:23.000 I actually want to save my hand as much as possible.

01:43:25.000 Because they're getting so fucked up for the fights, I put my hands in the ice bucket after every fight.

01:43:30.000 So I just save them, but I do my...

01:43:32.000 Save inflammation.

01:43:33.000 But then these, and then on the wrist.

01:43:36.000 Yeah.

01:43:36.000 Have you tried these ones?

01:43:37.000 Yeah.

01:43:37.000 It's pretty cool.

01:43:38.000 It's hard.

01:43:39.000 So you've got fingertip push-ups, knuckle push-ups, and then wrist push-ups.

01:43:43.000 And more.

01:43:43.000 So this is...

01:43:44.000 That's a little high.

01:43:45.000 Maybe the beginning.

01:43:46.000 You can show the beginning.

01:43:47.000 This is a cool video, too, though.

01:43:50.000 That's 2-2.

01:43:50.000 That's me and Cyrus.

01:43:51.000 Just let this roll, Jamie, so we can see some of this.

01:43:55.000 So headbutt right there.

01:43:56.000 Boom.

01:43:57.000 Yeah, boom.

01:43:59.000 Damn.

01:44:00.000 Oh, that's a nice thing.

01:44:01.000 Did Cyrus try to headbutt you?

01:44:03.000 He couldn't.

01:44:04.000 It was a one-sided fight completely.

01:44:07.000 So did he prepare for headbutts and things like that?

01:44:10.000 Yeah, he was a veteran.

01:44:11.000 He went to Myanmar before me.

01:44:13.000 You know, he spoke about it last time.

01:44:17.000 That's my fake roundhouse, the sidekick.

01:44:18.000 Oh, nice.

01:44:19.000 Super annoying.

01:44:20.000 That's a good move, man.

01:44:21.000 Fake roundhouse, sidekick, especially for a long, tall guy like you.

01:44:25.000 But anyway, so that's the push-ups.

01:44:29.000 So do you punch the bag bare knuckle a lot with no wrist wraps or anything like that?

01:44:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:44:34.000 Actually, when you see the good quality of view, that's Jeff.

01:44:38.000 He was here with Israel.

01:44:40.000 He's Israel's personal guy.

01:44:41.000 Oh, with Israel Adesanya?

01:44:43.000 Yeah, we met, me and Jeff and Tiger at the time, so I miss those high-quality videos.

01:44:49.000 Now I would do it on my phone, I think.

01:44:51.000 Well, it's interesting because you're one of the only guys that speaks English that's talking about this, that's talking about this sport and that competes in this sport and is a champion of this sport.

01:45:00.000 I mean, as far as, like, the history of the sport, you're probably one of the really the only guys who's an English speaker that's been a champion.

01:45:08.000 Yeah.

01:45:08.000 So the ligament, the pushups on the hands, I think it's very hard.

01:45:12.000 When I do it in my seminars, people have a hard time doing it.

01:45:15.000 And I think it's key because if you fight with no gloves, with only gauze, you can feel it fucking training.

01:45:24.000 Basically, if you hit the teat or something, you don't want to get this.

01:45:30.000 Why I started doing this is because I fought in Japan, my second fight in Japan.

01:45:34.000 And I was always like a dream of mine because of Street Fighter, right?

01:45:38.000 Super Nintendo, Street Fighter.

01:45:41.000 Japan!

01:45:42.000 You know?

01:45:42.000 Right, right, right.

01:45:43.000 So I was like, I was always thinking like either Guilde or American or Sagat.

01:45:48.000 And then, yeah, that's the one.

01:45:49.000 That's on the knuckles.

01:45:50.000 So you do some little jumps.

01:45:51.000 I'm going to tell everybody, I think.

01:45:53.000 What is that surface?

01:45:54.000 Is that concrete?

01:45:55.000 Yeah, that's concrete, yeah.

01:45:56.000 For the craziest of us.

01:45:58.000 It's not very pleasant, this one.

01:46:00.000 Interesting.

01:46:00.000 And you're not using the front two knuckles.

01:46:03.000 Well, I guess, yeah.

01:46:04.000 I mean, the big one touches.

01:46:06.000 Yeah, the big one in the middle, but not the far one.

01:46:09.000 When I fight, you're right, but when I fight, it's only the big one that pops out anyway.

01:46:13.000 And have you broken your hands fighting that way?

01:46:16.000 No.

01:46:17.000 Actually, I was going there.

01:46:18.000 So when I fight in Japan, at the second round, I dislocated my finger.

01:46:23.000 It was pretty bad, like broken, dislocated.

01:46:25.000 And my corner man, he's a former Golden Belt guy, doesn't speak a word of English again.

01:46:31.000 And I'm like...

01:46:32.000 Pop it out, so at least I can close my fist and finish the fight.

01:46:36.000 So he doesn't understand nothing, and you can see it's pretty bad.

01:46:40.000 So I ended up fighting the whole fight like this.

01:46:43.000 I couldn't close it, so I was like, okay.

01:46:46.000 But I'm thankful it happened, because that was the first fight I landed, my elbows and my first headbutts.

01:46:51.000 At first solid headbutts.

01:46:52.000 Because you had an injury.

01:46:53.000 I had no choice.

01:46:54.000 I couldn't do my cross anymore.

01:46:56.000 So elbows, headbutts.

01:46:58.000 Did you try to pull it out yourself?

01:46:59.000 I didn't know at the time.

01:47:01.000 I tried it, but the doctor used a lot of force to do it.

01:47:07.000 So I didn't want to make a big scene out of it because all the Japanese people watching it, they knew about it because the commentator was talking about it.

01:47:14.000 It's like, David San fingers, but my Turkish opponent, He didn't know.

01:47:19.000 So I was like, I don't want to, you know?

01:47:21.000 But yeah, we finished the fight and now I'm like, it never will happen again.

01:47:26.000 I started training these.

01:47:27.000 So what do you do in the off-season?

01:47:29.000 So if you don't have a training camp, so if you don't have someone coming to you to get you prepared for a fight, you don't have a fight until June, you want to stay sharp.

01:47:38.000 So what kind of work are you doing?

01:47:39.000 Well, that's funny.

01:47:40.000 After we're done today, I'm going to go with Gokor.

01:47:42.000 I'm going to do a private with him.

01:47:43.000 Oh, interesting.

01:47:44.000 I like to stay sharp with this.

01:47:46.000 So you're going to learn leg locks and other kinds of things?

01:47:48.000 Our school, the Patron Martial Arts, is actually affiliated with Gokor, Hayastan Academy, in Montreal, in Gatineau, Quebec.

01:47:54.000 Well, Gokor's Academy is one of the very first around this area, and even in the country, that was concentrating on leg locks.

01:48:00.000 A lot of those guys were killer leg lock guys.

01:48:04.000 I think Manny Gaborian, and I think he trained Ronda, Silva as well, Anderson.

01:48:08.000 So I really like him, and I think he's 56, and he's still competing.

01:48:14.000 He's still competing.

01:48:15.000 Kokar still competes?

01:48:16.000 He did like the Masters not long ago.

01:48:18.000 Interesting.

01:48:19.000 Anyway, so I'm going to go there, but I try to, yeah, right now, like on the tour, especially on the tour right now, I can't even, I can't even, I did some weights in the hotel room, but we do a state every day.

01:48:31.000 Oh, wow.

01:48:32.000 So you're just worn out.

01:48:33.000 So tonight we're leaving for Texas, then New York, then Indiana.

01:48:36.000 But when you get back to Cyprus, so what do you do to stay sharp?

01:48:40.000 Because you don't have a gym there, right?

01:48:41.000 Yeah.

01:48:42.000 Do you have a gym that you train at in Cyprus?

01:48:44.000 We are in our place.

01:48:45.000 In the basement, we have a full-on gym, like private.

01:48:48.000 Not as cool as you, but not as big, but we have everything that I need.

01:48:52.000 But you don't have sports?

01:48:53.000 Sparring partners, you don't have someone to hold pads.

01:48:56.000 Yeah, I would have, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, because we just literally moved, I bought the place a month ago, a month ago, we dropped the luggage and we left for the tour.

01:49:04.000 That seems so crazy though for a guy who's a world champion and a professional fighter to not be in a place that has professional trainers and elite fighters.

01:49:13.000 Because I want to, I am a big proponent of like, I want to relax.

01:49:19.000 I want to enjoy life, grow old with my wife.

01:49:21.000 So I feel like this is the best, one of the best, America is an amazing country, but I feel this is the best country because there's no traffic.

01:49:29.000 LA, there's a lot of traffic, right?

01:49:30.000 You think?

01:49:31.000 Crazy, huh?

01:49:32.000 So no traffic, good food.

01:49:33.000 You walk in the streets in Cyprus, and you can pick olives.

01:49:36.000 Literally, we made a test.

01:49:37.000 Olives, and I gave it to my wife.

01:49:38.000 Then a date, then a fig, then everything.

01:49:41.000 We had about a million fruits in a 10-minute walk.

01:49:45.000 It's free on the street.

01:49:46.000 Just growing off trees.

01:49:48.000 Yeah, organic.

01:49:48.000 So I'm like, this is cool.

01:49:50.000 It's fresh, and also I studied because I want to live as long as I can.

01:49:56.000 Because again, we don't know what's going to happen after.

01:49:58.000 So I'm like, in Japan, one of the islands has one of the highest longevity.

01:50:03.000 No, they die late.

01:50:05.000 Yes.

01:50:06.000 So because they're near a body of water and they have a lot of seafood.

01:50:10.000 Right.

01:50:10.000 So I want to be on a body of water and this is an island.

01:50:13.000 Right.

01:50:13.000 So yes, fantastic.

01:50:14.000 Well, it sounds like the quality of life is beautiful there, but the only thing that I would be concerned with is that training.

01:50:20.000 I know.

01:50:21.000 And also sparring partners, and someone to hold paths, someone to coach you.

01:50:27.000 I know.

01:50:27.000 Right now, so far, it's been amazing.

01:50:29.000 Like I said, I've been in Dubai, and all my training camps are back in Canada.

01:50:33.000 We're good.

01:50:33.000 But now, you're right.

01:50:34.000 After, in January, we go back.

01:50:36.000 I'm going to film my academy, like my videos.

01:50:38.000 Uh-huh.

01:50:39.000 Which is also going to take a big part of it.

01:50:41.000 And then I have to stay sharp, so I'm going to have to look around and see what the gyms are.

01:50:46.000 I didn't even look into it yet.

01:50:47.000 Jesus.

01:50:48.000 Yeah, I know.

01:50:48.000 I know.

01:50:49.000 Turkey has a lot of high-level fighters.

01:50:52.000 It's a 30-minute flight.

01:50:54.000 Yeah, and even wrestlers.

01:50:56.000 So it's a 30-minute flight to Turkey.

01:50:58.000 I might do that.

01:50:59.000 Yeah, and maybe you could fly people that'll come to you.

01:51:01.000 But that's one thing.

01:51:02.000 It seems like you, now that your profile's getting bigger, people would probably be more willing to come to you to train, to learn, and then train with you.

01:51:10.000 Just the thing is, I've realized, or I put on a high esteem quality of life Yes, fighting is cool, but I'm 27 and maybe I'm going to retire at 35, let's say.

01:51:22.000 I'm going to do as much as I can, but the rest, the other 70 years after that, if I live until 105, it's not going to be competing in the ring anymore.

01:51:33.000 So I value that a lot because it's the biggest part of my life.

01:51:37.000 I've only been fighting professionally since 2013. So...

01:51:41.000 But yeah, I will.

01:51:43.000 Is that the goal?

01:51:43.000 35?

01:51:44.000 Is that the goal?

01:51:44.000 I think it's perfect.

01:51:45.000 Yeah, it's good.

01:51:46.000 More than that, I think you, I don't know, maybe because I'm actually excited to see when I'm going to hit 30, my testosterone.

01:51:52.000 Like, you know, I'm going to be stronger at 30, 31, 32. Well, you'd definitely be smarter.

01:51:56.000 You know, that's the thing that happens.

01:51:58.000 In terms of life experience, you know, you have enough.

01:52:00.000 I mean, they say the best fighters are really in their early 30s because their body is still strong, but their experience level is much higher.

01:52:08.000 Okay.

01:52:08.000 So when you're 20, you might be stronger or faster, but you don't know as much.

01:52:14.000 You don't have as much experience.

01:52:16.000 Your technique is not as sharp.

01:52:18.000 And as you get older, you just develop more experience.

01:52:20.000 As long as you're dedicated and focused.

01:52:23.000 But then again, the thing that I'm saying is the one thing that I would be concerned with is the lack of time training in a high-level environment, which I think is one of the most crucial things.

01:52:32.000 Yeah, so far I've not had that problem, but when I'll be actually moving there, I need to fly some guys.

01:52:40.000 But you've got to let us know when you do fight, and it's in the United States, we'll promote it, we'll let everybody know, and hopefully you'll have an opponent that people will recognize as well.

01:52:49.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:52:50.000 It would be a good fight.

01:52:53.000 I'm excited, yeah.

01:52:54.000 Okay, perfect, yeah.

01:52:57.000 Yeah.

01:52:58.000 I actually have something.

01:52:59.000 You know, Jamie, last time you did the Chinlong video.

01:53:05.000 He shared a video of two guys kicking the balls over their head.

01:53:08.000 Remember?

01:53:09.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:53:09.000 That crazy sport.

01:53:11.000 It's like volleyball with your feet.

01:53:13.000 Yeah.

01:53:13.000 So this is like, it's Southeast Asia, and I have that ball with me for you.

01:53:18.000 Oh.

01:53:18.000 So look at that.

01:53:19.000 What's the ball they use?

01:53:20.000 It's...

01:53:21.000 Oh, that's it?

01:53:22.000 Wow, that's crazy.

01:53:23.000 You see it?

01:53:24.000 That's the ball they kick?

01:53:25.000 Yeah.

01:53:26.000 Wow.

01:53:26.000 And it looks strong, it looks hard, but you can do headbutts with this.

01:53:29.000 Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

01:53:30.000 Because that's what they do.

01:53:31.000 You can use all your body.

01:53:32.000 It's very light.

01:53:33.000 Yeah.

01:53:34.000 Traditional Southeast Asia sport.

01:53:38.000 Man, watching those guys is incredible.

01:53:41.000 The leg dexterity.

01:53:42.000 No, no.

01:53:42.000 What is the game called again?

01:53:44.000 In Myanmar, it's called Chinlon.

01:53:46.000 When you go in circle...

01:53:48.000 Wow.

01:53:51.000 It's amazing watching those guys.

01:53:53.000 Oh, so they're playing on a court.

01:53:54.000 I've only seen it played on the grass and outside.

01:53:59.000 Oh my god, look at these fucking guys.

01:54:01.000 That's incredible.

01:54:02.000 Look at the fucking flexibility.

01:54:04.000 That's insane.

01:54:06.000 Oh my god.

01:54:07.000 That is incredible.

01:54:12.000 Wow!

01:54:13.000 Look at this dude!

01:54:13.000 Oh shit!

01:54:14.000 Look at that kick!

01:54:16.000 That's Malaysia.

01:54:17.000 Wow!

01:54:19.000 So it's super popular in Southeast Asia and it can use your head too.

01:54:24.000 Wow!

01:54:25.000 What a sport!

01:54:26.000 So Myanmar, it's part of the culture.

01:54:28.000 After every training, we go in a circle and we do that.

01:54:31.000 Oh really?

01:54:32.000 Oh yeah!

01:54:35.000 Your flexibility, I'm sure.

01:54:36.000 So I don't know if you can see on YouTube, there's one, it's Dave, it's in my video, it's like Dave in Myanmar, and I've tried it, and I can only do with my right leg, like a hacky sack, and my head butt, that's it.

01:54:51.000 You can see Dave in Myanmar or something.

01:54:56.000 And yeah, they use their legs like crazy.

01:55:00.000 And I think it helps you become a better fighter, I believe.

01:55:02.000 Oh, I would imagine.

01:55:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:55:03.000 Yeah.

01:55:04.000 The leg, just the dexterity and flexibility and range of motion these guys have.

01:55:08.000 I mean, they're almost like, it's like watching a ballerina slash kickboxer play soccer with their feet, but they're playing volleyball.

01:55:15.000 Yeah.

01:55:16.000 And this is plastic, but usually it's made of a ratan.

01:55:20.000 Oh, okay.

01:55:20.000 You know, like some kind of bamboo, I think?

01:55:22.000 Yeah.

01:55:24.000 But at first, you know, it doesn't hurt.

01:55:28.000 Right.

01:55:28.000 But now I can enjoy it.

01:55:30.000 Like, this time I did a seminar, and I actually made them play a little bit.

01:55:33.000 It's just part of the culture, because it's cool.

01:55:36.000 Yeah, it's...

01:55:38.000 It's a pretty wild game.

01:55:39.000 And that's a very popular game over there?

01:55:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:42.000 Everywhere.

01:55:43.000 Usually when I'm walking with my wife and she's like, oh, not again.

01:55:45.000 I see a couple locals playing.

01:55:47.000 I just stop.

01:55:48.000 I drop everything.

01:55:49.000 I put my laundry up because I always wear my laundry.

01:55:51.000 And I start playing with them.

01:55:53.000 And they're all excited because, oh shit, they do some pictures.

01:55:56.000 So you're like a big celebrity over there?

01:55:57.000 When you walk down the street, do people recognize you?

01:55:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:00.000 Yeah, they love us there.

01:56:01.000 It's pretty cool.

01:56:02.000 But again, I really like them.

01:56:05.000 They're so kind.

01:56:06.000 Like, honestly, have you traveled in Asia a lot?

01:56:08.000 Yeah, Thailand.

01:56:09.000 And that's how I felt.

01:56:10.000 Everyone was so nice there.

01:56:11.000 Okay, well, but imagine like 40 years before that when they were untouched by tourism.

01:56:16.000 Uh-huh.

01:56:17.000 That's on Myanmar's.

01:56:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:18.000 So they shake your hand like this.

01:56:20.000 Give me your hand.

01:56:22.000 Oh, wow.

01:56:22.000 Look at this.

01:56:23.000 Yeah, that's my video.

01:56:24.000 I was in the forest.

01:56:26.000 And the guy in the red, he's sponsored by the country to play that.

01:56:32.000 Wow.

01:56:34.000 It's like, we're going to see that.

01:56:35.000 Yeah, he's good.

01:56:36.000 This is a wild fucking game.

01:56:40.000 That's the laundry, you see?

01:56:41.000 I tied it up, but then you have to lift it up like this.

01:56:44.000 It's so cool that you have that video.

01:56:46.000 You lift it up, and then if you have your leg tats, then you show your ward tats, right?

01:56:51.000 Ah, I see.

01:56:53.000 So this is before you had leg tats, too.

01:56:55.000 Yeah, before.

01:56:56.000 I looked naked, almost.

01:56:58.000 Wow.

01:56:58.000 Look at the head.

01:57:00.000 Yes, that's the only strike I can do in South Africa.

01:57:04.000 They play that all the time.

01:57:06.000 It seems like there's a steep learning curve to this game.

01:57:08.000 Yeah.

01:57:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:09.000 Headbutt right there.

01:57:11.000 Yeah.

01:57:11.000 Pretty crazy game, man.

01:57:13.000 And you see the Tanaka on their skin?

01:57:15.000 Yes.

01:57:16.000 This is specific from Myanmar, and it's a root that they break up, and it's good for SPF, and it makes your skin better.

01:57:26.000 So it's...

01:57:27.000 And so they rub it on their face?

01:57:28.000 Yeah.

01:57:28.000 And they have such a soft skin.

01:57:30.000 It's crazy.

01:57:31.000 I think it helps.

01:57:32.000 It helps my skin, yeah.

01:57:34.000 But listen, David, thanks for coming by, man.

01:57:36.000 And let us know when June rolls around, when the fight is set, and you know how people can watch it.

01:57:41.000 Will it be on pay-per-view?

01:57:42.000 Yeah, I believe it's going to be on UFC Fight Pass.

01:57:44.000 I'm not sure for pay-per-view yet, but super excited.

01:57:46.000 But it will be on UFC Fight Pass.

01:57:47.000 Yeah, hopefully you can talk about it.

01:57:50.000 It's going to be...

01:57:51.000 Definitely will.

01:57:52.000 Pretty cool.

01:57:52.000 Historic debut.

01:57:53.000 Thanks for having me, Joe.

01:57:54.000 Thank you, brother.

01:57:55.000 Thank you.

01:57:55.000 Appreciate it, man.

01:57:56.000 It was fun.

01:57:56.000 Really fun having you on.

01:57:57.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 28, 2019

JRE MMA Show #81 with Dave Leduc

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