The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #88 with Frankie Edgar

00:00:00.000 Boom.

00:00:01.000 What's up, Frankie?

00:00:01.000 How are you, brother?

00:00:02.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:03.000 Good to be here.

00:00:04.000 Good to have you.

00:00:04.000 We talked about this many times.

00:00:06.000 We have.

00:00:06.000 You know, my buddy Chris LeGore, I got to shout him out because he got me listening to you years ago and he's been telling me to come on this podcast forever.

00:00:14.000 So I'm glad to finally get it done.

00:00:16.000 So shout out to Chris.

00:00:17.000 I know he's listening.

00:00:18.000 Hi Chris.

00:00:19.000 So you got your own podcast now?

00:00:21.000 I do.

00:00:22.000 Me and Roger Matthews from Jersey Shore fame.

00:00:24.000 He was the ex-husband of JWoww.

00:00:27.000 The champ and the tramp.

00:00:28.000 Champ and the tramp.

00:00:29.000 That's what you guys call it.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, champ and the tramp.

00:00:31.000 That's hilarious.

00:00:32.000 That's hilarious.

00:00:33.000 So what's happening man?

00:00:35.000 You just got off of the Chan Sung Jung fight.

00:00:38.000 Yeah.

00:00:38.000 And what's next?

00:00:39.000 What are you up to?

00:00:40.000 I'm gonna go down 35. Yeah?

00:00:43.000 How much do you walk around at?

00:00:44.000 I'm probably like 56 right now.

00:00:46.000 Wow.

00:00:49.000 Marlon's got to be bigger than you, right?

00:00:50.000 Marlon is about a little bit bigger than me, yeah.

00:00:52.000 I think so.

00:00:53.000 I think he walks around a little heavier.

00:00:54.000 He's a little bit more of an eater than I am.

00:00:56.000 Dude, that guy, I have a hard time believing he makes 35 sometimes.

00:01:00.000 He's so jacked.

00:01:01.000 He's got such a small waist, though.

00:01:03.000 His legs and shoulders are so big, but his waist is kind of small, so maybe that's how he carries it.

00:01:08.000 So have you done a cut like that before?

00:01:09.000 I haven't been, but even my last fight, I think I was getting down to 45. I got down to like 44.5.

00:01:16.000 I mean, it's only 8.5 over where I got to be to make 36, and it was such an easy cut for this last time.

00:01:23.000 You're an interesting situation, man, because you won the title at 55, and you didn't cut any weight at all.

00:01:29.000 And a lot of people were like, well, fuck, man, Frankie Edgar can do it.

00:01:32.000 The thing about you at 55 was you were so durable.

00:01:35.000 That was one of the craziest things about some of your fights, like the Gray Maynard fights.

00:01:40.000 Fucking A, man.

00:01:41.000 Who reffed those fights?

00:01:43.000 Eve Levine.

00:01:44.000 Both of them?

00:01:44.000 No, the first one.

00:01:45.000 The second one, I think, was Josh Rosenthal.

00:01:48.000 Well, shout out to both of those guys.

00:01:50.000 Because a trigger-hungry referee who's got an itchy trigger finger, they would have stopped those fights.

00:01:56.000 Now, I think nowadays, someone might stop it.

00:01:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:59.000 Back then, I feel like they let it go a little more.

00:02:01.000 I mean, of course, there's still sometimes they let it go a little too long now.

00:02:04.000 It all changes.

00:02:04.000 It depends.

00:02:05.000 You never know.

00:02:06.000 You never know.

00:02:06.000 It all changes.

00:02:07.000 It's such a weird thing, right?

00:02:08.000 It's like the referee is trying to help the fighter.

00:02:11.000 They're trying to make sure that the fighter doesn't take unnecessary damage.

00:02:14.000 But, you know, more than once, you see fights stopped where you're like, oh, that guy wasn't done.

00:02:19.000 He was getting through a bad patch, and that's part of what a fight is about.

00:02:23.000 It's like trying to figure out how to survive.

00:02:26.000 For sure.

00:02:26.000 I always want the benefit of the doubt.

00:02:28.000 I don't want to get...

00:02:30.000 Unnecessary punishment, of course, but I'd rather get the benefit of that.

00:02:34.000 I've never been turned off, even with Ortega and Chan Jung fight.

00:02:39.000 Both those fights, even though I got rocked in my other fights, these fights, I kind of was more coherent.

00:02:45.000 I'm not complaining about the stoppages or anything like that.

00:02:47.000 I could see why they stopped it, but in the great fights, even the Benson-Henderson fight where I got upkicked, I don't remember.

00:02:54.000 Any of those fights.

00:02:55.000 You know, I remember like three, four rounds of those fights.

00:02:57.000 Just because it was so wild?

00:02:59.000 Just because of getting hit?

00:03:00.000 Yeah, because I got hit and I kept getting hit.

00:03:01.000 Maybe that's why I didn't remember.

00:03:04.000 The Ortega fight, I got rocked pretty good.

00:03:06.000 And I remember in my head saying, alright, there's short time left.

00:03:08.000 Let's get through it.

00:03:09.000 Let's get through it.

00:03:10.000 Obviously, didn't make it to the end.

00:03:12.000 And, you know, but I remembered being coherent.

00:03:14.000 Even this last one with Korean Zombie, I remember the ref saying, you know, you got to do something down there.

00:03:20.000 You got to do something down there.

00:03:20.000 And I was trying to do my best.

00:03:22.000 My body maybe wasn't reacting the way I needed to be.

00:03:25.000 But, yeah, you know, I've never been turned off, you know.

00:03:28.000 I don't know if that's a good thing or not, but...

00:03:30.000 I don't know if it's a good thing either.

00:03:32.000 It's like...

00:03:32.000 Some people say if you get turned off, it's better because then you don't absorb as much punishment.

00:03:38.000 I've heard that argument.

00:03:39.000 But then if you do get turned off, your body gets turned off easier next time.

00:03:44.000 That's pretty true.

00:03:45.000 Yeah, well, it seems like it seems like, yeah.

00:03:47.000 Guys that get cracked, they kind of continue to get cracked and get rocked a little easier.

00:03:52.000 I'm hoping that's not the case for me.

00:03:55.000 It's more of the actual knockout itself.

00:03:58.000 Like a bad knockout.

00:04:01.000 It's crazy that you have had a bunch of fights where you don't remember Most of the fight.

00:04:07.000 That's a thing that a lot of fighters don't necessarily talk about, but it's a reality of hard fights.

00:04:13.000 Yeah.

00:04:14.000 My second fight with Gray, where Eve Levine was the referee, I remember, I think, the fourth round, my coach Mark was telling me, we got one more round.

00:04:24.000 In my head, I'm like, one more round?

00:04:26.000 What happened to three and four?

00:04:27.000 I didn't remember at all.

00:04:28.000 And also, when he dropped me, I rolled my ankle really bad, probably a great tooth sprain.

00:04:34.000 And I remember in the fourth round coming to, and my ankle was hurting me.

00:04:37.000 I'm like, what happened?

00:04:37.000 I have no idea what happened to my ankle.

00:04:39.000 And even walking back, you know, I was kind of, you know, I don't know.

00:04:43.000 Sometimes you get rocked, you get depressed for some reason.

00:04:45.000 I noticed that even in the gym.

00:04:47.000 When I get rocked, I get a little bit of depression going on for some reason.

00:04:51.000 Like, what does it feel like when you say depression?

00:04:53.000 Like, my middle ball, you know, you're just down on yourself, you know?

00:04:57.000 I was emotional.

00:04:59.000 I think I was crying after the Gray fight in the locker room.

00:05:01.000 I think they have camera back there and there's a video of me like...

00:05:04.000 Even the second fight when you stopped him.

00:05:05.000 Not the second fight, but the...

00:05:07.000 Well, that was the second fight, not the third fight.

00:05:09.000 The third fight you stopped him.

00:05:10.000 That's right, the second fight you won.

00:05:12.000 The fucking fights that you had with Gray were so crazy...

00:05:16.000 He was so big.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, he was a big boy, man.

00:05:19.000 He was so big for 55, you know, and you were a guy who didn't cut any weight at all.

00:05:24.000 Nothing.

00:05:25.000 I literally would eat breakfast on weighing day.

00:05:27.000 Wow.

00:05:29.000 That's crazy.

00:05:29.000 Yeah.

00:05:30.000 Did you ever think back then about dropping down?

00:05:33.000 Or were you just like, fuck it, I'm the champ.

00:05:35.000 Why should I go down?

00:05:38.000 I mean, I'm winning.

00:05:38.000 I'm beating these guys.

00:05:40.000 Even the Benson Henders fights, they were super close.

00:05:42.000 I could have won either way.

00:05:44.000 But I just felt, alright, I'll go down now.

00:05:47.000 I lost two in a row here.

00:05:48.000 What more can I gain from here?

00:05:50.000 Let me go down to 45. And that's when I fought Aldo for the 45-pound belt.

00:05:54.000 When you think about it, like if you had a chance to do it all over again, like if you had to engineer your career all over again, would you do it exactly the same way?

00:06:01.000 Would you fight at 55?

00:06:02.000 Well, you definitely would against BJ, right?

00:06:05.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:06:07.000 You can't go back and change those things.

00:06:09.000 It all worked out for me.

00:06:11.000 I got a world title.

00:06:13.000 I'm continuing to have a pretty good career.

00:06:16.000 There's always things you wish you could do differently.

00:06:19.000 I can't be that guy that's going to say, I wish I did this, wish I did that.

00:06:22.000 Things went the way they went.

00:06:23.000 Well, they went pretty fucking good.

00:06:25.000 I mean...

00:06:26.000 Yeah, I'm not complaining.

00:06:27.000 Especially the BJ Penn fight.

00:06:29.000 I remember the first one in Abu Dhabi.

00:06:31.000 I was there for that one.

00:06:32.000 I was like, holy shit.

00:06:33.000 That was a big victory, man.

00:06:35.000 And the second one, too.

00:06:37.000 The second one was probably even better just because I more definitively won.

00:06:41.000 I felt like, too, BJ had my back in that second fight.

00:06:57.000 I've never seen anybody who controls people with the legs the way BJ does.

00:07:02.000 He's got the craziest dexterity in his legs.

00:07:05.000 He does.

00:07:06.000 I heard when he was younger he could stand up and put his leg over his head standing up.

00:07:11.000 Jesus Christ.

00:07:12.000 Yeah.

00:07:12.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:07:13.000 Like just lift it up and put it back there?

00:07:15.000 Yeah.

00:07:15.000 Like not even grab it?

00:07:16.000 Yeah.

00:07:16.000 Not even grab it.

00:07:17.000 Put it over his head.

00:07:17.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:07:18.000 We've seen him jump out of the pool too.

00:07:20.000 That's pretty wild.

00:07:20.000 Yeah.

00:07:21.000 No, he's an incredible athlete.

00:07:23.000 Yeah.

00:07:23.000 And his physical talents were unusual, but he worked on it.

00:07:27.000 Like, this is the thing a lot of people don't realize.

00:07:29.000 There's some great videos of BJ stretching, and he would stretch with bands.

00:07:33.000 So he has all this crazy, like, he would grab his foot, like, put it on his chest.

00:07:36.000 He's got bands.

00:07:37.000 Just natural, yeah.

00:07:56.000 Yeah, he was one of a kind, I think, on the ground.

00:08:00.000 Just as a fighter, I mean, I looked up to him coming up.

00:08:03.000 He was the man, licking blood off his hands.

00:08:07.000 I was actually with him.

00:08:09.000 We did the UFC gym 10-year anniversary party up in Concord.

00:08:14.000 Dana was there and BJ was there, so I was hanging out with BJ. BJ's a good dude, man.

00:08:18.000 We get along really well.

00:08:19.000 Is he done fighting, or what is he going to do?

00:08:24.000 I don't know.

00:08:24.000 I think he wants to fight.

00:08:26.000 I don't think Dana wants him to fight.

00:08:28.000 We have that crazy brawl in Hawaii.

00:08:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:31.000 Outside of a bar.

00:08:32.000 I mean, people are all so like, oh, look at Pete.

00:08:34.000 You're getting mad at a fighter for fighting?

00:08:36.000 You know, come on.

00:08:37.000 Is it that surprising?

00:08:40.000 That is a funny way to look at it, right?

00:08:42.000 Like if a singer gets in a fight, you're like, what is he doing?

00:08:45.000 But a fighter fighting, it's like a basketball player having a pickup game.

00:08:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:50.000 Can't get mad at him for that.

00:08:51.000 That is kind of weird when you stop and think about it, you know?

00:08:55.000 And that's the nature down in Hawaii, I think.

00:08:57.000 A lot of people get down.

00:08:59.000 That's how they get down out there.

00:09:00.000 Yeah, they get down.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, tough motherfuckers in Hawaii.

00:09:02.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:09:03.000 You know, that fight, though, was so sad to watch.

00:09:05.000 Like, that dude clipped him with the left hook and dropped him and bounced his head off the concrete.

00:09:09.000 I was like, fuck BJ. Did he say, hit me?

00:09:11.000 He said, you let him hit him.

00:09:12.000 He let the guy hit him.

00:09:13.000 But then he came back.

00:09:15.000 He went out.

00:09:16.000 He flashed out and went down.

00:09:18.000 And then, I don't know if the video was continuous or what, but later is a video of him having the guys back and smashing him.

00:09:25.000 It's like, God damn it.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, and you gotta be careful.

00:09:27.000 You never know what could happen in a street fight, too, so you gotta be careful.

00:09:30.000 Guys go home, open the trunk, come right back.

00:09:32.000 Yeah, or, I mean, you should throw some on their head and they don't wake up, you know?

00:09:35.000 That's a big one.

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:37.000 You know, that happened to a buddy of mine in Long Island, Kevin James, actually.

00:09:40.000 The comedian?

00:09:41.000 Yeah.

00:09:42.000 His buddy, they were working together as bouncers, and he was working with this guy, and this guy got in a fight with a patron, punched the guy, knocked him out.

00:09:50.000 The guy fell, banged his head off the ground, died.

00:09:52.000 Wow.

00:09:53.000 Dude wound up doing jail time.

00:09:54.000 Wow.

00:09:55.000 And that happens.

00:09:56.000 I heard a story of some wrestler, kind of the same thing, got into a fight, picked the guy up, slammed him on his head, and ended up in jail.

00:10:01.000 Oh, my God.

00:10:01.000 Can you imagine a wrestler, like a Yoel Romero, fucking suplexing you on the street?

00:10:06.000 You ain't getting up for that one.

00:10:06.000 What in the fuck?

00:10:08.000 It's over forever.

00:10:09.000 Absolutely.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, it'll flatten the top of your head.

00:10:13.000 Oh, God.

00:10:14.000 He's another freak, man.

00:10:16.000 Oh, he's the freakiest freak.

00:10:17.000 Yeah.

00:10:18.000 Out of all the freaks, you got, like, Brock Lesnar, who's, like, got some freaky Viking genes.

00:10:23.000 Like, for sure.

00:10:24.000 Yeah, it has to be.

00:10:24.000 That dude don't make any sense.

00:10:25.000 You ever see photos of him when he was in high school?

00:10:27.000 Oh, dude.

00:10:28.000 Look at that freak in high school.

00:10:29.000 Wow.

00:10:30.000 Yeah, he was a senior when I was a freshman, and we were wrestling nationals together, and I remember just being next to him like, damn, how the fuck is this guy even real?

00:10:39.000 You know?

00:10:40.000 This looks like an action figure.

00:10:41.000 Yeah, he was...

00:10:43.000 He was the biggest physical freak I think I've ever seen.

00:10:46.000 But then you got Ngannou, who I think is more of a physical freak.

00:10:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:52.000 You know, Ngannou, 265 pounds.

00:10:55.000 Because I'm 100% positive Ngannou's on the natch.

00:10:58.000 That guy's all natural.

00:11:00.000 Yeah, just digging salt mines or whatever, dirt mines, sand mines.

00:11:05.000 He's got a photo on his Instagram today of him chopping wood.

00:11:07.000 Everything he does terrifies me.

00:11:09.000 He's so fucking powerful, man.

00:11:11.000 That guy, out of all the guys I've ever seen in the heavyweight division, he is for sure the most powerful.

00:11:17.000 That uppercut he landed on Alistair over him was incredible, man.

00:11:20.000 I thought he decapitated him.

00:11:22.000 Yeah, it's like the back of his head touched his back.

00:11:26.000 Oh, man, look at this dude.

00:11:28.000 He's breaking rocks, I guess.

00:11:29.000 What the fuck is he doing?

00:11:30.000 He's hitting a stake into the ground.

00:11:33.000 That motherfucker has power.

00:11:36.000 Yeah.

00:11:37.000 He has, like, the most ridiculous punching power.

00:11:41.000 It has to, right?

00:11:42.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:11:42.000 Well, he's a natural 270-plus, and apparently he's been lifting, so he's even above 265 right now.

00:11:49.000 He's going to have to cut weight.

00:11:49.000 So he cuts weight.

00:11:50.000 Yeah, that's wild.

00:11:51.000 This guy's fighting next.

00:11:53.000 Rosenstreich is badass.

00:11:54.000 That's a really good fight.

00:11:56.000 Is he a K-1 guy?

00:11:57.000 No.

00:11:58.000 I don't know where he did his kickboxing career.

00:12:00.000 Pull up Jarzino Rosenstreich.

00:12:04.000 Try spelling that.

00:12:06.000 Good luck.

00:12:07.000 You got it?

00:12:08.000 Really?

00:12:08.000 This dude's the man.

00:12:09.000 Come on.

00:12:09.000 He knows.

00:12:11.000 I don't know how you fucking spelled that correctly.

00:12:13.000 But Rosenstreich, the thing that scared me about him when he was fighting Alistair was like he was walking right through Alistair's shots.

00:12:19.000 Which is the craziest.

00:12:21.000 And Alistair's no joke.

00:12:22.000 I mean, he takes people out left and right.

00:12:24.000 Dude, when he was on the sauce and he fought Brock, when he was Ubering, whoo!

00:12:30.000 Here it goes.

00:12:31.000 So he fought in a bunch of different organizations.

00:12:34.000 Danger Zone.

00:12:37.000 Yeah.

00:12:39.000 So Slam.

00:12:41.000 Where's he from?

00:12:44.000 Rosenstruck.

00:12:45.000 Let's see.

00:12:48.000 It's...

00:12:48.000 What's his name?

00:12:49.000 Suriname.

00:12:50.000 Suriname.

00:12:50.000 Isn't that where...

00:12:51.000 Isn't that what he said?

00:12:51.000 Tyrone Spong.

00:12:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:53.000 Tyrone Spong is from there, yeah.

00:12:54.000 Yeah.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, Spong was supposed to fight Usyk in a heavyweight fight when Usyk moved up to heavyweight in boxing.

00:13:03.000 You know, Tyrone Spong is all boxing now.

00:13:06.000 Is he?

00:13:06.000 Oh, he's only boxing, yeah.

00:13:08.000 Did you see his last kickboxing fight?

00:13:10.000 He was supposed to fight...

00:13:11.000 I don't know, I'm thinking a big baby Miller was supposed to fight...

00:13:17.000 That's right.

00:13:18.000 Joshua, right?

00:13:19.000 But he's tested positive.

00:13:23.000 Tyrone tested positive too.

00:13:25.000 Tyrone tested positive before he was supposed to fight Usyk.

00:13:28.000 But he said it's bullshit.

00:13:29.000 I think he was actually cleared of it.

00:13:31.000 But it was too late.

00:13:32.000 They'd already set up this other fight for Usyk.

00:13:34.000 He's a dangerous guy.

00:13:35.000 I think there's a lot of people that are going to avoid Tyrone Spong.

00:13:38.000 Yeah, he hits hard, man.

00:13:39.000 He hits fucking hard, and he's a savage.

00:13:41.000 He is.

00:13:42.000 Did you ever see his last kickboxing fight?

00:13:45.000 He broke his leg.

00:13:46.000 He broke his leg, yeah.

00:13:47.000 Against Turkish Tyson.

00:13:49.000 Right.

00:13:51.000 What's his name?

00:13:53.000 Turkish Tyson, right?

00:13:54.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:13:55.000 Why can't I remember his name?

00:13:56.000 He's in the UFC now, right?

00:13:57.000 Yeah, you made me forget his name.

00:13:59.000 What happened?

00:13:59.000 Gohan Saki.

00:14:00.000 Gohan.

00:14:01.000 Gohan Saki.

00:14:01.000 Jesus Christ.

00:14:03.000 It's early.

00:14:07.000 Saki, he's had a tough transition to MMA, but he's still a bad motherfucker.

00:14:12.000 And in fighting and kickboxing, man, he was one of my favorite guys ever to watch.

00:14:16.000 Saki had the nastiest left hand.

00:14:17.000 He would throw like left hook, left hook, left hook.

00:14:20.000 Left hook to the body, left hook to the head, left hook to the body.

00:14:22.000 Bang, bang, bang!

00:14:24.000 Fast as fuck.

00:14:25.000 And for a heavyweight, ridiculous hand speed.

00:14:28.000 Yeah, I mean, I feel like all these athletes are just getting better and better as it goes, right?

00:14:32.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:14:34.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:14:35.000 These big guys are athletic as hell too.

00:14:37.000 When you stop back and think about your first fights in the UFC, when you first got started, what stands out as being real different about seeing the younger guys coming up today?

00:14:48.000 The younger guys are just more complete.

00:14:50.000 And they're more athletic.

00:14:52.000 I think back when I first started, we were just guys that wanted to fight.

00:14:55.000 We were tough guys.

00:14:56.000 The wrestlers always did well because we competed our whole lives.

00:15:00.000 But now these kids are polished right away.

00:15:03.000 You've seen like 20-year-old kids with crazy skills.

00:15:05.000 Yeah, they're polished.

00:15:06.000 They've been doing it for five years already.

00:15:08.000 You see that kid, Edmund Shabazian?

00:15:11.000 Yes.

00:15:12.000 Fucking incredible.

00:15:13.000 He's like, I think he's 21 now.

00:15:15.000 Right.

00:15:15.000 And he is just a fucking murderer, man.

00:15:18.000 Yeah.

00:15:18.000 It's crazy.

00:15:19.000 It's amazing that I'm 18 years older than some of these kids.

00:15:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:23.000 That is crazy.

00:15:25.000 When do you think you're going to not do this anymore?

00:15:28.000 I don't know.

00:15:29.000 I always have three rules.

00:15:31.000 As long as I'm enjoying it and I want to do it, as long as I'm competitive, I don't want to lose fights to guys I think I should be able to beat, as long as my body holds up.

00:15:42.000 And how old are you now?

00:15:43.000 38. So for the lighter weight divisions, that's older.

00:15:47.000 That's older, yeah.

00:15:49.000 I feel good.

00:15:50.000 My body feels good.

00:15:51.000 Always little injuries here and there.

00:15:55.000 But I enjoy it.

00:15:56.000 It's still fun.

00:15:57.000 My last couple fights didn't go the way I wanted to.

00:16:01.000 Holloway, obviously.

00:16:02.000 I thought I gave him a pretty good run.

00:16:05.000 That was a very good fight.

00:16:06.000 He's a big dude.

00:16:07.000 It was tough to close that range.

00:16:10.000 I was in on some of his legs.

00:16:12.000 I just couldn't really move him.

00:16:13.000 He felt like he was part of the tree.

00:16:23.000 When you think about your preparation between when you first started to now, as you get older, is there anything you do differently?

00:16:31.000 I don't spar as much, I think.

00:16:33.000 I would spar three days a week, always.

00:16:36.000 Five rounds, you know, for five-round fights, six rounds sometimes.

00:16:39.000 Now I kind of do two days a week.

00:16:40.000 That was a little push and pull for me and Mark.

00:16:43.000 Mark wants us always sparring a lot.

00:16:45.000 Oh, really?

00:16:45.000 He's big into sparring, and I kind of am too.

00:16:48.000 I feel like the best way to get in shape for a fight is by fighting, you know?

00:16:51.000 And we have good sparring partners.

00:16:52.000 We're not trying to kill each other.

00:16:54.000 Right.

00:16:54.000 You know, but...

00:16:55.000 Our team, when I first started, it was me and a couple guys that really weren't in the UFC. Now it's just a bunch of hammers non-stop.

00:17:04.000 That Mark Henry camp is insane.

00:17:07.000 Yeah, he's a special guy.

00:17:08.000 He has so many top-flight guys come to him from all around the world.

00:17:12.000 Like Zabit.

00:17:14.000 How do you get from Dagestan to Jersey?

00:17:16.000 Yeah, they all do this.

00:17:19.000 They say they're coming, they all fly to Moscow, they stay in Moscow for a couple days, and they go to Brooklyn, stay in Brooklyn for a couple days, and they come down.

00:17:26.000 So if they say they're coming the next day, it's usually three days later, because that's the rounds they make.

00:17:30.000 Why do they go to Brooklyn first?

00:17:31.000 I don't know.

00:17:32.000 There's a big Dagestan community up there.

00:17:34.000 I don't know if they take them shopping or something.

00:17:37.000 I never knew Dagestan was a place until I heard of Khabib.

00:17:40.000 I mean, I've maybe heard about it, but it didn't feature in my mind as a prominent martial arts spot.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, well, I knew Satyev, the wrestler.

00:17:50.000 He's from Chechnya, right there.

00:17:53.000 I remember watching him when I was in high school, and this guy was just unbelievable.

00:17:57.000 I think he won, I don't know how many world championships, like 10. He was in 10 straight world championships with Olympics and Worlds.

00:18:03.000 And he's a Chechen fighter and that's that area.

00:18:06.000 This past world championship, Osensia, Chechnya, and Dagestan, which is like the size of Georgia, the state, won the world.

00:18:14.000 Just people from that area would have won the world championship in wrestling.

00:18:17.000 Wow.

00:18:18.000 I just can't fathom that.

00:18:20.000 Well, they're just hard people, man.

00:18:21.000 Yeah.

00:18:22.000 You see that basketball game that they play?

00:18:24.000 You see Will Harris' films?

00:18:25.000 Yeah.

00:18:26.000 Will Harris Productions.

00:18:27.000 Shout out to Will.

00:18:28.000 Yeah, Will's the man.

00:18:28.000 Will's the man.

00:18:29.000 I love that guy.

00:18:30.000 He's a cool dude.

00:18:31.000 He's a great guy.

00:18:31.000 And he gets embedded.

00:18:33.000 He does.

00:18:33.000 He goes to Dagestan.

00:18:35.000 He hangs out with them.

00:18:36.000 He eats with them.

00:18:37.000 He plays that crazy basketball game with them.

00:18:39.000 And he's a semi-professional ball player, too.

00:18:42.000 Yeah, he's a huge guy.

00:18:43.000 He's a big dude.

00:18:44.000 He could have been a real...

00:18:46.000 I mean, he had a bad knee injury when he was in college.

00:18:48.000 But it's hilarious watching them play that basketball game where they grab a hold of each other and drag each other to the mat and submit each other.

00:18:55.000 I used to think I fouled the bad, but at least I dribbled the ball.

00:19:00.000 It's like rugby slash basketball slash MMA. That's probably my only way to score some buckets, though.

00:19:08.000 It's weird, though.

00:19:09.000 It seems like they might have invented it, right?

00:19:12.000 It has to be.

00:19:14.000 I wonder if it's prominent in Dagestan or if it's just that camp.

00:19:19.000 In wrestling, they play handball.

00:19:21.000 They call it handball, or we used to call it gatorball, where we have soccer nets or field hockey nets, and it's kind of the same thing.

00:19:27.000 You had three steps, you could pass the ball, no dribbling, and then it's a bunch of wrestlers playing, so we're all tackling each other and everything.

00:19:34.000 So we kind of always used to do that, but we never did it with basketball hoops, so I guess that's a little different.

00:19:38.000 Well, Will said that that's how they warm up.

00:19:40.000 They just get out there, and for one hour, they'll play this crazy basketball game, and then they go train.

00:19:47.000 Yeah, we used to do that with the handball or gator ball, we used to call it.

00:19:50.000 It kind of makes sense that that would be a good way to warm up, right?

00:19:53.000 Because it's competitive, you're running around a lot.

00:19:55.000 Yeah, it's fun.

00:19:56.000 Kind of fun instead of just doing the same old routine.

00:19:59.000 But it's interesting that even him, even Khabib, with that crazy camp and all those monsters that he trains with, makes his way down to AKA to train in America.

00:20:08.000 That is something I always wonder.

00:20:09.000 Even the guys that come to us, I'm like, these guys are all so good, why don't they just train with each other at home?

00:20:16.000 But I think they like the fact that they're locked in when they get here.

00:20:19.000 They have no distractions.

00:20:20.000 And I think they come here for the coaching.

00:20:23.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:20:24.000 I think just a different look, a different perspective is probably beneficial.

00:20:29.000 But just the fact that...

00:20:31.000 So many elite fighters from all over the world still want to do their camps either at ATT or with you guys or AKA. There's just so many different places that they travel to.

00:20:42.000 Have you ever gone somewhere for a camp where you just locked yourself down?

00:20:45.000 No, I've always did all my camps in Jersey.

00:20:48.000 Early in my career, though, before I had Mark, even before I started training with Ricardo and Henzo and those guys, I went out to AKA actually with Thompson.

00:20:56.000 I stayed with Josh Thompson.

00:20:58.000 Josh is the man.

00:20:59.000 I love that dude.

00:20:59.000 He was just here last week.

00:21:01.000 I was listening to him a little bit.

00:21:04.000 Yeah, he opened his house.

00:21:05.000 I stayed at his house for a little bit, man.

00:21:07.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:21:07.000 He's a super good dude.

00:21:08.000 He was kind of a veteran at the time when I came in, so he helped me out a little bit.

00:21:13.000 I stayed a couple weeks there hanging out at AKA, and I just wanted to be home.

00:21:18.000 I know I wanted to stay in Jersey.

00:21:20.000 Yeah, well, with your family and everything like that.

00:21:23.000 I get it.

00:21:24.000 But I think there is probably a benefit for a fight.

00:21:26.000 Like, a lot of great boxers used to go to the Catskills, right?

00:21:30.000 And they would do their training up there.

00:21:31.000 And then, like a lot of guys today, they go to Big Bear.

00:21:34.000 You know, like Triple G goes up there.

00:21:36.000 And a lot of other fighters have their camps up there.

00:21:38.000 De La Hoya always did his camps up in Big Bear.

00:21:40.000 It's like something about a camp that's very attractive, too.

00:21:43.000 Someone thinking about, oh, he's locked down in camp.

00:21:46.000 You like it.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, your tunnel vision and all that.

00:21:49.000 Yeah.

00:21:49.000 Yeah, I need my family around me.

00:21:53.000 I need my friends around me.

00:21:54.000 I feel good in Jersey.

00:21:57.000 I feel like I built it.

00:21:59.000 I built it up.

00:22:00.000 That's why people come to me now.

00:22:02.000 Not only me, obviously, for Mark and Ricardo, probably more so for those guys, but I showed them that it could be done here.

00:22:08.000 That's why we have the atmosphere that we do, I think.

00:22:12.000 That is true.

00:22:12.000 You definitely were one of the most successful pioneers of MMA coming out of there.

00:22:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:17.000 So, you know, it's cool to see all these young guys come and train with us, and we have a pretty good team now, plus Eddie Alvarez is there, and he's a pioneer as well.

00:22:26.000 When you see Eddie go over to 1FC, does any of that ever look attractive to you?

00:22:31.000 I mean, for sure.

00:22:32.000 You know, I actually only have one fight left on my contract now.

00:22:36.000 Oh, yeah?

00:22:37.000 You know, but I've been in the UFC. It'll be 13 years I've been in the UFC coming in February.

00:22:42.000 But you see Mighty Mouse went over there.

00:22:43.000 Yeah, Mighty Mouse.

00:22:44.000 You know, I mean, money talks, you know?

00:22:47.000 Yeah.

00:22:47.000 Well, especially at this point in your career.

00:22:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:49.000 Exactly.

00:22:50.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 But, I mean, honestly, if I was being straight up, where do I want to finish my career?

00:22:54.000 I do want to finish in the UFC, you know?

00:22:56.000 I mean, I felt like I got in the UFC 5-0, you know?

00:23:00.000 I pretty much grew up here.

00:23:01.000 That's crazy.

00:23:02.000 So, it'd be nice to finish in here, but, you know, everything has to make sense.

00:23:06.000 Well, you know, you're still near the top of the heap, right?

00:23:08.000 I mean, you just fought Max Holloway.

00:23:10.000 How long ago was that?

00:23:11.000 In July.

00:23:12.000 Yeah.

00:23:12.000 Not that long ago.

00:23:13.000 Not too long ago.

00:23:14.000 And it was close, you know, obviously, to fight with Korean Zombie.

00:23:16.000 I mean, I feel like I didn't get a chance to get going.

00:23:18.000 He got me with a good shot.

00:23:20.000 Motherfucker hits hard.

00:23:21.000 He does hit hard, you know.

00:23:22.000 And, you know, I was really down on myself.

00:23:24.000 That was tough.

00:23:24.000 That was a tough one.

00:23:26.000 I was really down on myself for a while.

00:23:28.000 Nobody takes losses well.

00:23:30.000 No one competitive.

00:23:31.000 Yeah, no one competitive.

00:23:33.000 I definitely took it pretty bad.

00:23:35.000 Christmas was right here.

00:23:37.000 I took the fight on short notice, but I never once took a fight and didn't think I was going to win.

00:23:43.000 How many weeks did you take it off?

00:23:45.000 Two weeks.

00:23:46.000 I was in shape.

00:23:47.000 I was training.

00:23:48.000 Not like I was training for a fight, but I was training pretty good.

00:23:52.000 I believe in myself.

00:23:53.000 I thought I was going to go there, put this dude away, and come home and enjoy Christmas.

00:23:58.000 But it turned out to be the opposite.

00:24:02.000 A little depressing during Christmas time.

00:24:03.000 You try to be nice with your family and love them with your family, but what's weighing over my head is I just got fucking TKO'd.

00:24:10.000 Yeah, that's...

00:24:13.000 The emotional side of fighting, like the emotional side of losses, like when you see guys just weeping in their locker room.

00:24:20.000 Remember, the hardest one for me was Aldo after McGregor knocked him out.

00:24:25.000 And he was just in his locker room just weeping like, God damn, that dude.

00:24:29.000 That's a tough one, too, because you know that's going to stay in infamy.

00:24:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:34.000 Yeah, forever.

00:24:35.000 Always.

00:24:35.000 Connor's probably the worst guy because he's going to tell everybody about it and everybody's going to want to cover it.

00:24:40.000 That's just the way it goes.

00:24:41.000 It was such a picture-perfect punch, too.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:24:44.000 And he slides back, boom, drops that left hand in there.

00:24:46.000 I was in the crowd, and I was...

00:24:50.000 We're good to go.

00:25:15.000 The Aldo fight was crazy because I think that was the first time that anybody ever really disrespected Aldo.

00:25:21.000 Because Aldo was the fucking man for so long.

00:25:25.000 The crazy thing about Aldo is he's still only 32 years old.

00:25:29.000 We were talking about that with the Marlon fight.

00:25:32.000 Is he really?

00:25:33.000 Yeah, I know.

00:25:34.000 What do you think?

00:25:36.000 Well, they've been following him since the WEC. I mean, he was like 20 then, so he kind of has to be 32. I mean, he was WEC champion a long fucking time ago, man.

00:25:46.000 You know, I mean, you go back and think about when he knocked out Cub Swanson with that flying knee.

00:25:50.000 That was a long time ago.

00:25:52.000 It was like a double knee, right?

00:25:54.000 Yes, boom, yeah.

00:25:55.000 Dude, he was so fucking athletic.

00:25:58.000 Explosive.

00:25:59.000 I don't know.

00:26:00.000 When did he stop throwing leg kicks?

00:26:01.000 I don't know, man.

00:26:02.000 I would like to ask him.

00:26:03.000 I wonder if he's got injuries or something like that.

00:26:06.000 I know.

00:26:06.000 When we fought the first time, he threw a leg kick, and then I took him down on it on the second one.

00:26:11.000 And then that's the last time he threw a leg kick in both our fights.

00:26:14.000 It's crazy because if you watch his early career, like, watch the Uriah Faber fight.

00:26:19.000 It is one of the most horrific displays of destroying someone's leg you've ever seen in a fight.

00:26:24.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 It's so fast, dude.

00:26:25.000 Oh, man.

00:26:26.000 Stop!

00:26:26.000 No loading, just...

00:26:28.000 No, yeah, that's the thing.

00:26:29.000 No loading.

00:26:29.000 He would just whip those hips in there.

00:26:32.000 Well, you know, he was a soccer player.

00:26:33.000 Like, a really good soccer player.

00:26:35.000 Right.

00:26:35.000 Have you ever seen videos of him play soccer?

00:26:37.000 I've seen him juggle the ball and whatnot.

00:26:39.000 He's like a pro.

00:26:40.000 Yeah.

00:26:40.000 Like, he could have been a professional soccer player.

00:26:42.000 Right, yeah.

00:26:42.000 And I think soccer players, first of all, their legs are so conditioned because they're basically sprinting all the time.

00:26:49.000 They're running up and running back.

00:26:50.000 And they're going left and right and left and right.

00:26:53.000 They're always side to side.

00:26:54.000 They apparently have the highest instances of ACL blowouts.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:58.000 That makes sense.

00:26:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:59.000 But because of those legs, Aldo, he was like a whip.

00:27:04.000 Those legs would just crack.

00:27:06.000 That's what I thought.

00:27:07.000 When him and Marlon were going to fight, I'm like, ooh, we're going to see some crazy leg kicks.

00:27:10.000 But neither of them really got him off.

00:27:12.000 I wonder.

00:27:13.000 I wonder why Aldo stopped throwing leg kicks.

00:27:15.000 I really wonder.

00:27:16.000 I mean, he's got to be good success with his hands.

00:27:18.000 He's got to be something, right?

00:27:19.000 Some injury.

00:27:20.000 Maybe a hip injury.

00:27:21.000 Yeah.

00:27:22.000 Could be.

00:27:22.000 A lot of those kickboxer guys, as they get older, their hips start falling apart.

00:27:26.000 You know, it seems to be a big issue with some guys.

00:27:29.000 Like John Wayne Parr needs a hip replacement.

00:27:31.000 Right.

00:27:31.000 I mean, he just had his last fight.

00:27:33.000 He won in a boxing match.

00:27:35.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:27:35.000 Which is great.

00:27:36.000 Huge for him.

00:27:37.000 He's the man, dude.

00:27:37.000 I love that guy.

00:27:38.000 He's such a good guy to follow.

00:27:39.000 He's such a good energy, such a positive dude.

00:27:42.000 And so is his whole family.

00:27:43.000 He's just a great, happy dude.

00:27:45.000 His daughter's got like 30 fights already or something.

00:27:47.000 His daughter's a beast.

00:27:48.000 She's a beast, man.

00:27:49.000 I think she's like 14 now.

00:27:50.000 She's a beast.

00:27:52.000 It's crazy.

00:27:52.000 Yeah, he's something special.

00:27:53.000 But that poor guy, he's been fighting over the last year or two with a really fucked up hip.

00:27:59.000 Yeah.

00:27:59.000 I mean, it's falling apart, man.

00:28:01.000 They're like, you've got to have a hip replacement.

00:28:02.000 The whole inside is just torn apart.

00:28:04.000 Right.

00:28:04.000 I'm not looking forward to the future, man.

00:28:07.000 You know what I'm looking forward to?

00:28:09.000 The future with regenerative medicine.

00:28:11.000 Well, yeah.

00:28:11.000 Well, you had stem cells.

00:28:12.000 I had some stem cells on my shoulder.

00:28:14.000 Yeah, we talked about that in Jersey when I saw you.

00:28:16.000 You don't give it enough time.

00:28:18.000 I know.

00:28:20.000 The thing about the stem cells is it really takes like four or five months before it actually kicks in and starts healing things.

00:28:27.000 And a lot of guys like yourself, I mean, you don't gather any dust.

00:28:31.000 You ain't waiting for shit.

00:28:32.000 I'm chopping at the bit, man.

00:28:33.000 Yeah.

00:28:34.000 But that's the problem.

00:28:36.000 But the one on my shoulder, it did help.

00:28:37.000 It helped a lot.

00:28:38.000 And I bet, you know, early onset arthritis.

00:28:40.000 And they did the Wharton jelly.

00:28:42.000 Yeah.

00:28:42.000 And I got that.

00:28:43.000 And like six weeks later, you know, I don't know.

00:28:46.000 I want another round, I feel like.

00:28:48.000 I don't know if it works like that.

00:28:50.000 Yeah, another round would definitely help.

00:28:51.000 But I think, really, Panama's the place for you.

00:28:54.000 It's right here, yeah.

00:28:55.000 Go down there and get that super sauce.

00:28:57.000 My neck's jacked up, too, a little bit, so I wonder if they help that stuff.

00:29:00.000 What does it help with your neck?

00:29:01.000 I got, I guess, stenosis of the neck.

00:29:04.000 Oh, okay.

00:29:04.000 So your discs are shrinking.

00:29:06.000 Yeah, I have that, too.

00:29:07.000 Yeah, my discs and the holes where the nerve run through is kind of...

00:29:10.000 So I got...

00:29:11.000 It's tightening.

00:29:12.000 Actually, it was kind of like a little bit before Holloway, more and more so after...

00:29:16.000 I got epidural on my neck and I was getting the tingles down my arm, weakness in my hand a little bit.

00:29:21.000 And the epidural really didn't even work, but I just did therapy and it got better.

00:29:26.000 But it still bugs me a little bit.

00:29:28.000 There's a place, I think they have an office in Dallas, they have one here in Santa Monica, and then there's a place in Germany, it's called Lifespan Medicine, and they do this procedure called Regenikine.

00:29:37.000 Right, right.

00:29:38.000 And Regina Keene is what, you've heard of it?

00:29:39.000 Yeah.

00:29:40.000 Kobe Bryant, rest in peace.

00:29:41.000 Yeah.

00:29:42.000 He went to Germany to get it back in his day.

00:29:45.000 And so did Peyton Manning went out there.

00:29:47.000 Right, right.

00:29:48.000 A bunch of other athletes.

00:29:49.000 And Dana.

00:29:49.000 Dana actually went out there.

00:29:50.000 They do it in the U.S. now?

00:29:52.000 They do it in the U.S. now.

00:29:53.000 I've had it a bunch of times.

00:29:54.000 I had it done on my neck on a bulging disc that was doing the same thing.

00:29:57.000 My hands were going numb.

00:29:58.000 That kind of shit.

00:29:59.000 And it fixed it.

00:30:00.000 I also had it recently on my lower back because I was getting sciatica.

00:30:04.000 Same shit.

00:30:05.000 That fixed it.

00:30:06.000 It's basically a more potent version of platelet-rich plasma.

00:30:12.000 They heat the blood and they add something to it.

00:30:15.000 It's just a radical anti-inflammatory.

00:30:19.000 It's good because it's your own blood.

00:30:22.000 You know, they take your own blood out, spin it, and do this procedure to it.

00:30:25.000 And then it takes like 12 hours, I think, 10 or 12 hours for it to become this...

00:30:30.000 It looks like this yellow serum.

00:30:33.000 And then this yellow serum they inject into all your discs.

00:30:36.000 I'm telling you, I had my friend Dean Del Rago down there.

00:30:38.000 Dean had a real fucked up neck from a car accident.

00:30:41.000 Some lady...

00:30:42.000 He rides a motorcycle.

00:30:43.000 Some lady fucking clipped him and he went flying.

00:30:45.000 It fucked his neck up to the point where...

00:30:47.000 He's a comedian.

00:30:48.000 We're hanging around the comedy store.

00:30:49.000 And he gets nervous if anybody comes near him.

00:30:51.000 Like he's worried someone's going to accidentally bump into him.

00:30:54.000 Because he was in so much pain.

00:30:56.000 Because he was like real stiff.

00:30:57.000 And so I sent him to that Lifespan Medicine place.

00:31:00.000 And dude, he was fixed up.

00:31:02.000 Like within a week or two, he was back.

00:31:04.000 Wow.

00:31:04.000 Yeah.

00:31:04.000 I would love to just be like a pincushion, but it would get me everywhere.

00:31:07.000 Well, they can do crazy shit now, but it's a lot of money if you want to travel to all these different spots.

00:31:13.000 But there's real benefit in this.

00:31:16.000 My hope is that it's like cell phones.

00:31:18.000 Remember when fucking cell phones were giant and they cost a billion dollars?

00:31:22.000 They were so expensive.

00:31:23.000 And now you can get a cheap phone.

00:31:25.000 I saw a flip phone the other day at Best Buy for 50 bucks.

00:31:28.000 I was like, you can get a phone for 50 bucks.

00:31:31.000 That's amazing.

00:31:32.000 Yeah, so hopefully stem cells goes that route.

00:31:34.000 That's what I'm hoping.

00:31:35.000 And I'm hoping that...

00:31:36.000 See, the problem is, like, healthcare providers.

00:31:38.000 Like, if you have insurance.

00:31:40.000 Like, insurance doesn't want to cover any of that shit.

00:31:42.000 No, I know.

00:31:43.000 But it doesn't make sense.

00:31:44.000 They want to cover a surgery, but a surgery is 30 grand.

00:31:47.000 I always wonder, what's the politics behind that?

00:31:50.000 I'm sure there's something.

00:31:52.000 Someone's got to make money.

00:31:55.000 The hospitals deal with the insurance companies and everybody's working together and they're all making money.

00:32:03.000 They don't want to cover these things because they're treating stem cells like it's a drug.

00:32:08.000 And so they're treating it like what you're doing is you're taking a drug.

00:32:13.000 So these drugs have to go through the same evaluations that the FDA has.

00:32:17.000 But if they do that, it's going to literally cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:32:21.000 But with the FDA, didn't they just say CBD is no good?

00:32:24.000 They're so crazy.

00:32:25.000 Those people are awful.

00:32:27.000 If they said that, anybody who said CBD is no good, you're awful.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:32:31.000 That shit is so good for you.

00:32:33.000 Oxycontin, I think, is FDA approved.

00:32:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:35.000 Like, come on, what are we doing here?

00:32:37.000 Well, I think it's the same thing.

00:32:39.000 They think of CBD as an untested drug.

00:32:42.000 Right.

00:32:43.000 Regardless of how many people have positive effects from it and positive benefits from it, the way they look at it is like this stuff is in competition probably with like non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen and things along those lines.

00:32:55.000 Right.

00:32:56.000 But CBD is so much better than all those things.

00:32:59.000 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 I mean, it's natural too.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:01.000 Do you do it?

00:33:02.000 Do you take it?

00:33:02.000 I have, yeah.

00:33:03.000 I take it.

00:33:04.000 How much do you take?

00:33:05.000 I mean, I need to be a little more consistent with it, you know?

00:33:08.000 I'm just like...

00:33:10.000 You know, my wife, I'll go get stuff done.

00:33:12.000 Stan's like, how do you feel?

00:33:13.000 I'm like, I feel pretty good.

00:33:15.000 I don't know.

00:33:15.000 I always feel pretty good.

00:33:16.000 So I'm like such a bad gauge on that stuff.

00:33:18.000 There's a problem with really mentally tough guys.

00:33:21.000 Because mentally tough guys don't even think about what things feel like.

00:33:24.000 They just go, fuck it, I'm good.

00:33:25.000 I'm just gonna go.

00:33:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:27.000 Look at Kane.

00:33:28.000 Kane literally destroyed his body because he was so mentally tough.

00:33:32.000 Yeah, oh yeah.

00:33:33.000 Because he's such a fucking savage that he had everything blow out on him.

00:33:37.000 He did.

00:33:38.000 His knees, his shoulders, his back, his neck, everything's fucked up.

00:33:41.000 When I went to AKA, this was before he was in the UFC, and I went out there and I seen him sparring with...

00:33:46.000 I think Paul Buentello, some other UFC guys, and they were just rotating on us, and he was just putting these dudes away, and they were just rotating on us.

00:33:54.000 I'm like, who is this kid?

00:33:56.000 That guy's going to be good.

00:33:57.000 I'm like, no shit.

00:33:58.000 Before he came to the UFC, there was so much hype around him.

00:34:02.000 Everybody was like, this motherfucker doesn't get tired.

00:34:05.000 As a heavyweight, you don't see that.

00:34:07.000 Not like him.

00:34:08.000 His cardio was insane.

00:34:10.000 I remember when he fought Big Ben Rothwell.

00:34:12.000 He would put it on guys, and they would have that 100-yard stare where they were like, what the fuck?

00:34:18.000 Like, what is happening to me?

00:34:19.000 How is this guy not tired?

00:34:21.000 It didn't make sense.

00:34:22.000 He was like a lightweight.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:24.000 But 240 pounds.

00:34:26.000 240 pounds, and great wrestling, great jiu-jitsu.

00:34:29.000 Great everything.

00:34:30.000 Boxing's second to none, man.

00:34:32.000 Yeah.

00:34:33.000 And just surprised you with his body, right?

00:34:36.000 Because he didn't look ripped and cut.

00:34:38.000 He looked like a guy who eats a lot of burritos.

00:34:40.000 Right, yeah.

00:34:41.000 Dude, to this day, I think, in his prime, I think he was...

00:34:44.000 I mean, the argument is him and Fedor.

00:34:47.000 Those are the two arguments.

00:34:48.000 And then Stipe for his accomplishments, right?

00:34:50.000 I mean, I would have loved to see Stipe versus Kane when Kane was in his prime.

00:34:55.000 Yeah, that would have been great.

00:34:56.000 That would have been amazing.

00:34:57.000 But, you know, it's like...

00:35:01.000 That model of the heavyweight, the Cain Velasquez model, I don't know if anybody else could do that.

00:35:08.000 I don't know.

00:35:09.000 I think his cardio was almost like supernatural.

00:35:13.000 People always ask because people say, I've got good cardio and I could push always.

00:35:18.000 And they're like, what is it from?

00:35:19.000 I think it's all mental more than anything.

00:35:21.000 I don't know.

00:35:22.000 Maybe some people are born that way.

00:35:23.000 I feel like even the summertime, when I wrestled in the summer, I wasn't in wrestling season shape.

00:35:28.000 I was going to be the guy that was in better shape.

00:35:31.000 Just your mind.

00:35:31.000 Just my mind, yeah.

00:35:33.000 I think most of it's my mind.

00:35:34.000 Everybody's like, do you get tired?

00:35:36.000 I'm like, fuck yeah, I get tired.

00:35:37.000 I just keep going.

00:35:38.000 I think everyone gets tired.

00:35:39.000 Because then you see some guys that are really, really good and they're just scared to get tired.

00:35:45.000 So they're scared to push themselves.

00:35:47.000 I've seen that in wrestling a lot.

00:35:48.000 You kind of see it in MMA. Some guys where they're just scared to get tired so they don't push it too hard.

00:35:52.000 Yeah, that's real, right?

00:35:53.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 Yeah, there's a mind game going on where you don't want to drain the battery, right?

00:35:59.000 You don't want to...

00:36:00.000 Like, it seemed like Marlon against Aldo, there was a little bit of that.

00:36:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:04.000 Just easing off the gas.

00:36:06.000 Right.

00:36:06.000 Especially after this Tahuto fight.

00:36:08.000 Yeah.

00:36:09.000 You know, I was in the corner from Marlon, and it was going great.

00:36:12.000 That first round, I'm like, man, this is great.

00:36:14.000 The pace is like how Marlon likes it.

00:36:17.000 You know, it wasn't too crazy.

00:36:18.000 Mm-hmm.

00:36:18.000 And then Cejudo turned it on and I just seen the look in Marlon's face.

00:36:22.000 I'm like, in the second round he got up and looked at me and I was like, you know, I'm trying to pump him up.

00:36:27.000 Like, dude, come on, let's go.

00:36:28.000 Dude, the first round looked like Marlon was going to establish himself as the best pound for pound fighter in the world.

00:36:34.000 Yeah.

00:36:35.000 He looked so good.

00:36:37.000 His kickboxing was off the charts.

00:36:40.000 That fucking left leg switch kick that he has to the head is like a whip.

00:36:44.000 It's crazy the way he does it.

00:36:45.000 It's so light and effortless.

00:36:47.000 He just swings it up there.

00:36:51.000 When Marlon Edson came into camp, my legs hurt for a good couple months trying to deal with them.

00:36:58.000 Edson's terrifying.

00:36:59.000 His switch kick is the fastest shit I've ever seen in my life.

00:37:02.000 It doesn't even make sense.

00:37:03.000 I don't even know how he moves that quick.

00:37:05.000 He's a freak.

00:37:06.000 He's super tight, too.

00:37:07.000 I'm sure that's why.

00:37:08.000 He's like a rubber band.

00:37:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:10.000 It snaps as it goes fast.

00:37:12.000 Super tight, like in what way?

00:37:14.000 He's not very flexible.

00:37:15.000 Really?

00:37:16.000 Yeah.

00:37:16.000 I mean, he could wheel kick and do all that stuff, because I think he was doing it since he was a kid, so his body's made for that.

00:37:22.000 But as far as being a flexible guy, he's not very flexible.

00:37:25.000 I mean, I'm not very flexible either, but I'm not kicking like him.

00:37:28.000 That's interesting.

00:37:29.000 I would have thought that guy would be real flexible.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, no.

00:37:32.000 What about Marlon?

00:37:33.000 Marlon's probably a little bit more flexible.

00:37:35.000 He's still not very flexible either.

00:37:37.000 That's crazy.

00:37:37.000 How does he throw that switch kick to the head like that?

00:37:40.000 I just think their bodies from doing it forever, they're like made to do that.

00:37:43.000 Wow.

00:37:44.000 Yeah.

00:37:44.000 And their wheel kicks like crazy.

00:37:46.000 Yeah.

00:37:47.000 But as far as like touching their toes, you know, we'd go to yoga together and you hear Marlon, ooh, oh, ooh.

00:37:52.000 Yeah.

00:37:54.000 How often do you do yoga?

00:37:55.000 I try to do it once a week when I'm not in camp.

00:37:58.000 When I'm in camp, I don't do it as much because that kind of takes away from something else, but I try to do it once a week.

00:38:02.000 Hot yoga?

00:38:03.000 Hot, yeah, I do hot.

00:38:04.000 Dude, I love it.

00:38:05.000 I love it.

00:38:06.000 And everyone that's never done it, they need to fucking do it because everyone's like, oh, yoga, yoga.

00:38:09.000 I'm like, bro, it's hard as shit.

00:38:10.000 Hard as shit.

00:38:11.000 There's no bullshit.

00:38:12.000 I've been in some yoga classes that if my boy wasn't in there, I might have walked out because I'm tired.

00:38:17.000 I'm like, can't let this guy see me walk out.

00:38:19.000 The place I go to, they don't let you leave.

00:38:21.000 They're like, you can't leave.

00:38:23.000 Just make a commitment when you're here.

00:38:24.000 If you can't take it, just sit down and try to rest it off.

00:38:29.000 Try to take a couple poses off.

00:38:31.000 Try to get your heart rate back down.

00:38:33.000 But it's hot as fuck.

00:38:34.000 I've done some yoga.

00:38:35.000 Me and my wife went to the yoga class once.

00:38:38.000 It was me and her.

00:38:38.000 And it was so hot.

00:38:40.000 And the lady's like, how you guys feel with the heat?

00:38:42.000 And I'm like...

00:38:44.000 Please, Renee.

00:38:44.000 Say it's too hot.

00:38:45.000 Say it's too hot.

00:38:49.000 It's one of the most underrated, difficult exercises.

00:38:52.000 Because you think of it as housewives or moms.

00:38:55.000 A bunch of gals.

00:38:57.000 A bunch of hot girls in yoga pants.

00:38:58.000 I'm the only dude in there sometimes.

00:39:00.000 Me too, sometimes.

00:39:01.000 There's more guys in my place now.

00:39:04.000 Sometimes it's actually half and half, which is kind of interesting.

00:39:07.000 I think it's great for you.

00:39:09.000 When I say I'm done fighting, I'm sure that's something I'll do more often.

00:39:14.000 For me, too, it's like a 90-minute meditation session, too.

00:39:17.000 Because all you're thinking about is those poses.

00:39:19.000 All I'm thinking about is concentrating on maintaining a steady breath and then holding the positions as long as possible.

00:39:28.000 It's like the instructor or yogi is giving you...

00:39:32.000 Positive affirmations.

00:39:33.000 I mean, some it's a little wonky, but you know, it's always like a good message.

00:39:37.000 Yeah, sometimes.

00:39:38.000 Some of them go a little bit crazy.

00:39:41.000 Some of them try to give you life lessons.

00:39:42.000 Yeah, well, yeah.

00:39:43.000 Settle down.

00:39:44.000 Well, and then also like, oh, this is your lower intestines is getting pinched.

00:39:48.000 I'm like, what do you mean?

00:39:49.000 I'm bending over.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:51.000 It's massaging.

00:39:51.000 You're descending colon.

00:39:53.000 No, it's definitely not.

00:39:54.000 It's definitely not.

00:39:55.000 You're just stretching.

00:39:56.000 Stop.

00:39:58.000 I sweat like a maniac in there.

00:40:00.000 It's great.

00:40:01.000 It's definitely good for you.

00:40:01.000 Oh my god, you can lose amazing amounts of weight in there.

00:40:04.000 But I just think for maintaining strength in your joints, it always feels to me, and maybe this is just my head, but it's helping all the connections.

00:40:15.000 Like, shoulders and hips and knees and, like, all the other stuff that doesn't necessarily get the same kind of workout when you're just doing regular stuff.

00:40:24.000 Like, weight training or kettlebells or kickboxing or whatever.

00:40:27.000 You're working out, like, holding your leg in one certain position and, like, leaning forward and just maintaining that post.

00:40:35.000 Static holds, yeah.

00:40:36.000 Yeah, I feel like it tightens all your connections up.

00:40:40.000 And it also increases your range of motion.

00:40:42.000 It does.

00:40:43.000 It opens you up.

00:40:44.000 I feel so much better when I'm doing yoga.

00:40:47.000 I would like to do it more often, to be honest with you.

00:40:50.000 I don't want to miss hitting pads or jiu-jitsu and all that stuff.

00:40:53.000 That's the thing, right?

00:40:55.000 For a mixed martial artist, there's so many skills to concentrate on.

00:41:00.000 There's so much.

00:41:01.000 If you're a boxer, what are you going to do?

00:41:03.000 You've got to run and you've got to box.

00:41:05.000 That's it.

00:41:06.000 Right.

00:41:07.000 When you're a mixed martial artist, god damn, you gotta think about everything.

00:41:11.000 And you don't want to overdo one and underdo another, you know?

00:41:14.000 How do you know what to do?

00:41:16.000 You know, I came up with a formula and it seems to work.

00:41:21.000 What's your formula?

00:41:22.000 Like, you know, just my schedule is I do jiu-jitsu Monday, Friday.

00:41:26.000 I spar either, well, it used to be Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.

00:41:30.000 I'll wrestle Wednesday and Friday and then strength and conditioning between all that.

00:41:37.000 Jesus.

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:38.000 Just hearing that makes me tired.

00:41:41.000 But when is your strength and conditioning schedule?

00:41:43.000 I do that Monday and Wednesdays.

00:41:45.000 Monday and Wednesdays.

00:41:47.000 And when you do it, do you do it before MMA training?

00:41:51.000 I usually do grappling or wrestling before and then do that after.

00:41:55.000 Really?

00:41:56.000 Yeah.

00:41:56.000 Why do you do that?

00:41:57.000 That's just the way it kind of worked out for me.

00:42:00.000 So, do you do it the same day?

00:42:02.000 I mean, the same time of day?

00:42:04.000 Like, noon?

00:42:04.000 Like, you'll do your...

00:42:05.000 No, I'll just do it in the morning.

00:42:06.000 I'll do jiu-jitsu.

00:42:07.000 Oh, okay.

00:42:08.000 And then, at the afternoon, I'll...

00:42:10.000 Oh, okay.

00:42:11.000 So, you give yourself a chance to recover.

00:42:12.000 Yeah.

00:42:14.000 Although, it's like 10 and 2, so it's quick.

00:42:17.000 Just enough to eat.

00:42:18.000 Yeah, just enough to eat and drive.

00:42:19.000 You know, Jersey's a commuter state, so I drive everywhere, man.

00:42:22.000 None of the places I train are in my town, so I'm always on the move.

00:42:30.000 Jersey's got a lot of fucking traffic, too.

00:42:32.000 It does, but it's predictable.

00:42:34.000 Yeah, predictable traffic.

00:42:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:36.000 You know if you miss the rush hour, you're good.

00:42:38.000 Here, you never know what you're getting into.

00:42:40.000 Dude, I've been coming home from a comedy club at 2 o'clock in the morning.

00:42:42.000 I hit bumper to bumper traffic.

00:42:44.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:42:45.000 There's too many of us.

00:42:46.000 I was actually, I didn't even realize I stayed right across the street from the comedy store.

00:42:49.000 Oh, which place?

00:42:51.000 Mondrian?

00:42:52.000 No, the Mandarin.

00:42:53.000 Mondrian?

00:42:54.000 What is it?

00:42:55.000 Mondrian.

00:42:56.000 Mondrian, right.

00:42:57.000 Mondrian, yeah.

00:42:58.000 Yes.

00:42:58.000 Why can't I? See, when someone says something wrong, sometimes you go, how do you say it right?

00:43:03.000 Mondrian.

00:43:03.000 Yeah, that is right across the street.

00:43:05.000 Yeah, I didn't realize until I woke up the next day.

00:43:07.000 I'm like, oh shit, I should have went there last night.

00:43:09.000 Yeah, anytime you want to go there, even if I'm not there, just let me know.

00:43:13.000 I'll set it up.

00:43:15.000 So when you are in Tom's River, what is a typical day for you?

00:43:19.000 When you leave your house on a Monday morning, what time do you get going?

00:43:25.000 What time do you eat?

00:43:26.000 Yeah, I get up like 8 o'clock, I guess.

00:43:29.000 I'm not an early guy.

00:43:31.000 I get up at 8, I'll eat something.

00:43:32.000 I'm out of the house by 8.30, 8.45.

00:43:34.000 Get the Ricardos for like 10 a.m.

00:43:36.000 practice, 9.30 practice.

00:43:39.000 Practice for two hours, drive back home, which is like about 45 to an hour.

00:43:43.000 And when you're practicing, are you practicing with the Gi?

00:43:45.000 No, no Gi.

00:43:46.000 Never?

00:43:47.000 Not in a long time.

00:43:49.000 Ricardo actually, believe it or not, told us not to.

00:43:52.000 Really?

00:43:52.000 Yeah.

00:43:53.000 I do believe it.

00:43:54.000 He said the Gi will always be there.

00:43:55.000 He said you always go back to the Gi when you're done.

00:43:57.000 He's like, right now it's just not applicable for MMA. I'm so glad he said that.

00:44:01.000 Yeah.

00:44:02.000 Man, that is...

00:44:02.000 I don't know.

00:44:03.000 Hopefully he doesn't get mad for saying that.

00:44:05.000 Well, that was a giant problem with, like, so many Brazilians were so connected to the Gi that they would be offended if you didn't train with the Gi.

00:44:13.000 They'd get really mad at you.

00:44:15.000 That's what I thought when I first went to him.

00:44:16.000 I'm like, oh, man, we're going to have to do a lot of Gi stuff now, you know?

00:44:19.000 We did a little bit, you know, mess with it.

00:44:21.000 It is good for you.

00:44:23.000 It's great for defense.

00:44:24.000 I think it's good for people like myself where I use a lot of wrestling and athleticism for my jiu-jitsu because it kind of takes that away and makes you, you know, pay attention to the technique.

00:44:33.000 Yeah, it makes you concentrate on defense because you can't just muscle out of things.

00:44:37.000 And with a lot of fighters, especially real explosive guys, they get used to just yanking out of things.

00:44:44.000 When someone's got collars and grips on your sleeves, you can't yank out of much.

00:44:49.000 You've got to systematically think about what you're doing.

00:44:50.000 Yeah, you've got to apply pressure.

00:44:52.000 You've got to have good position.

00:44:53.000 You've got to be patient, too.

00:44:55.000 You can't expose yourself because you're impatient and you just want to get out of a spot.

00:44:59.000 That's the positive aspect of the gi.

00:45:02.000 The negative aspect of the gi is when guys go from the gi to MMA and they're looking for those handles and the handles aren't there.

00:45:10.000 But Eddie always told us, just do the gi, but don't use collars.

00:45:15.000 Don't use collars and sleeves.

00:45:16.000 So my gi game was really just no gi in a gi.

00:45:21.000 Honestly, probably when I did the gi, I probably didn't grab as much because I wasn't used to it.

00:45:26.000 In desperado times, I'll grab the gi.

00:45:28.000 Yeah, right, right.

00:45:29.000 But for the most point, I think you're better off just using overhooks and underhooks and gable grips and just working your same positions that you do in no gi.

00:45:39.000 So then you're doing the same game always.

00:45:41.000 Yeah.

00:45:42.000 But I'm glad Ricardo said that because to have such an accomplished Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu artist like him, who's got this gigantic school and who was an accomplished fighter himself and now is a judge, to have him say that, like, yes.

00:45:55.000 For a long time, people got so connected to this idea that you need to do the gi in order to be good in MMA, which is no gi.

00:46:02.000 It's slippery.

00:46:04.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, even like Gary, Tonin, and Gordon Ryan, I don't think those guys are in the Gi very often.

00:46:10.000 Very rarely.

00:46:10.000 Yeah.

00:46:11.000 I don't think that Gordon Ryan has done some matches recently in the Gi.

00:46:16.000 Maybe Gary Tona, too.

00:46:17.000 I mean, they know how to use it.

00:46:18.000 Yeah, oh yeah.

00:46:19.000 Yeah, but it's, you know, it just makes everything more, you know, just there's so much more friction.

00:46:25.000 There's so many things you can do in the gi you cannot do in an MMA fight or in a no-gi contest.

00:46:31.000 Yeah, it's really just not applicable at all, so...

00:46:35.000 That's good.

00:46:35.000 I figure when I'm old, I'll put the gi on, you know?

00:46:39.000 Yeah, well, there's guys in my jiu-jitsu class that are in their 60s.

00:46:43.000 Yeah, that's what's great.

00:46:45.000 Nice and slow.

00:46:47.000 It's something I'll definitely do in the future.

00:46:50.000 So you go there, you do that class, and like how far, you're driving a lot to all these different spots?

00:46:55.000 How much time are you in your car?

00:46:57.000 A couple hours a day.

00:46:58.000 Oh, shit.

00:46:59.000 So you have to have a reliable fucking car.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, I do.

00:47:03.000 I got a Pine Belt, it's a bunch of ships, so I get to drive a nice Ram or Silverado.

00:47:08.000 Oh, you got to deal with the Dodge dealership?

00:47:10.000 Yeah, I drive it for the demo, and then I turn it in for the thing.

00:47:14.000 Oh, that's great.

00:47:14.000 But I also got a Cadillac CTS-V, too.

00:47:16.000 I know you're in the class.

00:47:17.000 Dude, I love CTS-Vs.

00:47:19.000 Those things are beasts.

00:47:20.000 Yeah, it's fun.

00:47:20.000 I got a little stage 2 tune on it and stuff.

00:47:22.000 Oh, really?

00:47:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:23.000 It can move.

00:47:24.000 It moves.

00:47:24.000 That's a fast car.

00:47:25.000 That's a good Italian guy in Jersey car, too.

00:47:27.000 Yeah, it's perfect.

00:47:29.000 It's perfect.

00:47:30.000 So, have you ever thought about living somewhere where everything is so connected to Tom's River you would never move?

00:47:37.000 Yeah, I mean, well now Nick Catone is in Brick too, and he has a huge facility in Brick.

00:47:41.000 So that's where we do a lot of our sparring.

00:47:43.000 How far is that?

00:47:43.000 That's only 20 minutes away.

00:47:45.000 So that's, you know, he's been there for now a couple years.

00:47:48.000 And he's like a 30,000 square foot gym.

00:47:50.000 Oh, really?

00:47:50.000 Two full cages, a bunch of mat space.

00:47:53.000 Oh, wow.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, it's a phenomenal facility.

00:47:55.000 What's it called?

00:47:56.000 Nick Catone's Mixed Martial Arts Academy.

00:47:58.000 Oh, okay.

00:47:58.000 Cool.

00:47:59.000 That's awesome.

00:48:00.000 Man, it's amazing that these gyms are, they're so good now.

00:48:03.000 It's like, it was so hard in the beginning to find one facility that had This kind of place.

00:48:08.000 Even in the country, there's only a couple gyms, whether it was an AKA or a Jackson's.

00:48:13.000 When I first started, I graduated college, and it was like in May, I graduated college, I wanted to, you know, Ultimate Fighter, the first season Ultimate Fighter was on, I think was, they had the finale in May.

00:48:25.000 I watched it with my teammates, I'm like, dude, I'm giving this a try, you know?

00:48:28.000 Koscheck was on the season, he wrestled for Edinburgh, I wrestled for Clarion, we're in the same conference.

00:48:33.000 So I see him, I'm like, oh man, look, he's doing pretty well, I'm gonna give this a shot.

00:48:37.000 So I found a place to train and Kurt Pellegrino actually had a gym near my town.

00:48:42.000 So I called him up.

00:48:43.000 I knew him through wrestling.

00:48:44.000 He's like, I'm actually moving to Florida.

00:48:45.000 He's like, but you can come train here for a couple days before I go.

00:48:48.000 I'm like, alright.

00:48:49.000 So I came there and a new guy was taking his gym over and so that's where I ended up staying.

00:48:53.000 And this gym was no bigger than this room here.

00:48:55.000 Wow.

00:48:56.000 You know, and you see all these young kids have this 30,000 square facility.

00:48:59.000 I'm like, dude, you guys are fucking spoiled, man.

00:49:01.000 You know?

00:49:02.000 Yeah, it's a different world now.

00:49:04.000 I mean, there's no other sport like MMA where if you go back to the 90s and then you look at it today, it's unrecognizable.

00:49:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:14.000 It is.

00:49:16.000 Just martial arts has changed.

00:49:18.000 Like you say it all the time, you know, how quickly UFC or MMA changed martial arts.

00:49:24.000 Forever.

00:49:25.000 Yeah.

00:49:25.000 We'll never look at it the same way again.

00:49:28.000 Martial arts have evolved more over the last 20 years than they have over the last 20,000 years.

00:49:32.000 Yeah, and that's just...

00:49:33.000 I don't think anything has done that?

00:49:35.000 No.

00:49:36.000 Go back and watch UFC 1 and then go watch UFC 246. It's like, what the fuck, man?

00:49:41.000 Everyone is so evolved now.

00:49:43.000 And even across weight classes, it's just such an interesting thing that we figured out how to do it right.

00:49:51.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 I mean, shit, even when I started 2005 to now, it's changed a whole bunch.

00:49:56.000 Yeah, no, for sure.

00:49:57.000 Yeah, I mean, 2005 was when The Ultimate Fighter was on, right?

00:50:01.000 Dude, how crazy is it that Diego Sanchez is still out there throwing?

00:50:05.000 Yeah, that's amazing.

00:50:06.000 He's the last of the Mohicans.

00:50:08.000 He really is, right?

00:50:08.000 He's the last one on that show?

00:50:10.000 Yes.

00:50:10.000 Oh, for sure.

00:50:11.000 Yeah.

00:50:12.000 I mean, Stefan Bonner's long gone.

00:50:15.000 Forrest Griffin's long gone.

00:50:16.000 He's working for the UFC now.

00:50:19.000 And fucking Diego Sanchez.

00:50:21.000 Still screaming yes and doing cartwheels.

00:50:24.000 He's a special dude, man.

00:50:25.000 He's crazy.

00:50:27.000 He's a wild motherfucker, man.

00:50:29.000 He is.

00:50:29.000 He's a...

00:50:30.000 Just his outlook.

00:50:32.000 I mean, he was kind of strange on the show.

00:50:33.000 I don't know if you call him strange, but just like a different personality.

00:50:38.000 He's weird.

00:50:39.000 Definitely weird.

00:50:39.000 But he's also got a mind like a fucking bank vault.

00:50:43.000 He's intense.

00:50:43.000 He is.

00:50:44.000 I mean, his will's unbreakable.

00:50:46.000 That guy does not quit.

00:50:47.000 He's lost before.

00:50:48.000 He's been stopped before, but you ain't getting him to quit.

00:50:51.000 I remember when he fought BJ. He just kept coming.

00:50:53.000 I mean, he got his head split open with that head kick.

00:50:55.000 I was like, damn, this guy's nuts.

00:50:57.000 Yeah, no, I mean, in all of his fights, I mean, he's an animal.

00:51:01.000 And he's such an entertaining guy.

00:51:03.000 I mean, you think about some of his fights that he fought, even at 170, against guys like Jake Allenberger, Martin Campman.

00:51:10.000 Campman had his face hanging off.

00:51:12.000 I mean, he had giant cuts all over Diego's face.

00:51:15.000 And in the third round, Diego's chasing him.

00:51:18.000 Just chasing him down.

00:51:19.000 Like, God damn, he's tough.

00:51:21.000 His willpower is second to none, I think.

00:51:23.000 It's insane.

00:51:24.000 It's insane.

00:51:25.000 And he's still out there.

00:51:26.000 He is.

00:51:27.000 He's still out there throwing.

00:51:28.000 He is, yeah.

00:51:29.000 It's impressive.

00:51:30.000 I mean, these guys are setting the bar high, you know?

00:51:33.000 Yeah, real high.

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 And it's interesting, like, Diego, I've always thought, was like a guy who could have benefited from a 165-pound class.

00:51:41.000 I feel like the UFC, I've been saying this forever, I'm a broken record, but I think they should reorganize the weight classes and put weight classes every 10 pounds.

00:51:49.000 Yeah.

00:51:49.000 There's too many big gaps, like the 85 to 205 pound gap.

00:51:52.000 That's crazy.

00:51:54.000 That's so big.

00:51:55.000 I mean, if they have time...

00:51:57.000 Look, they have...

00:52:00.000 Plenty of fighters, right?

00:52:02.000 They just should move some of these weight classes around.

00:52:05.000 I think they should do it.

00:52:07.000 Even Dos Anjos, too.

00:52:08.000 Him and Chiesa, you know?

00:52:10.000 I think Dos Anjos is probably a 65-pounder.

00:52:12.000 Probably.

00:52:12.000 He looks so much smaller than Chiesa.

00:52:14.000 Dude, Chiesa, how the fuck did he ever make 55?

00:52:16.000 I don't get it, man.

00:52:17.000 I've seen him after he made it.

00:52:19.000 I'm like, dude, you were always a 70-pounder.

00:52:22.000 Yeah, always.

00:52:23.000 I just was really impressed with how he was able to control Rafael Dos Anjos.

00:52:28.000 I didn't get to see the fight.

00:52:29.000 I was actually flying down here.

00:52:32.000 But yeah, I've seen the highlights.

00:52:34.000 I think he took them down five or six times.

00:52:36.000 Yeah, man.

00:52:36.000 His arms are so long.

00:52:39.000 They were in positions where a lot of guys would have to hold on, but he could reach all the way the fuck around and clamp his hands together.

00:52:47.000 You're like, oh, what an advantage that is.

00:52:49.000 It's like when I train with the beat.

00:52:51.000 That's how I feel.

00:52:52.000 Oh, right.

00:52:52.000 He's like 6'2".

00:52:54.000 Yeah.

00:52:55.000 At 145. So it's like, he can cover my head and my toes and he's only, you know, it's only half of him.

00:53:00.000 He's got the weirdest style, man.

00:53:02.000 Because...

00:53:03.000 His style is like, you know, he does like scissor takedowns, but it's got like a lot of wheel kicks and 360 roundhouse kicks.

00:53:10.000 Kung fu, right?

00:53:11.000 It is kung fu, right?

00:53:12.000 It's a real kung fu.

00:53:13.000 But also with wrestling.

00:53:14.000 Wing Chun or something?

00:53:14.000 Wing Chun?

00:53:15.000 Sanda?

00:53:15.000 Oh, Sanda, yeah.

00:53:16.000 Sanda?

00:53:17.000 But I think it's a form of kung fu.

00:53:19.000 Oh, yeah, it's kung fu.

00:53:20.000 Yeah.

00:53:21.000 Yeah, he's one of the more unusual guys in the sport.

00:53:25.000 Yeah, he is.

00:53:26.000 He's got a quiet demeanor, too, you know?

00:53:29.000 Well, he looks like Abraham Lincoln.

00:53:30.000 He does.

00:53:31.000 He does.

00:53:31.000 Exactly like him.

00:53:33.000 As soon as he walked in, that's what everyone said.

00:53:35.000 Well, everybody says, too, that you haven't even seen what he can do.

00:53:38.000 Like, in the gym, you see what he can do.

00:53:40.000 And, like, I was talking to Mark about him, and he's like, dude, this was, like, back before Zabib had really made a name for himself.

00:53:46.000 And he's like, that fucking guy.

00:53:48.000 He goes, that guy's super, super talented.

00:53:51.000 I was really impressed with Calvin Cater, though, in their last fight.

00:53:54.000 Yeah, you know, that third round seemed like Zabit kind of lost some steam.

00:53:59.000 Yeah.

00:54:00.000 And Calvin started coming on a little bit.

00:54:01.000 Calvin was digging to the body a lot, too.

00:54:03.000 He's got great hands, Calvin.

00:54:04.000 As good as anybody.

00:54:05.000 That jab might be one of the best jabs in the UFC. His fucking right hand, too.

00:54:09.000 The right hand that he knocked out Lamas with.

00:54:11.000 Dude, Calvin, he's on another level with his striking, particularly with his hands.

00:54:17.000 He does a lot of training with boxers.

00:54:21.000 He's a Boston guy, right?

00:54:23.000 And only getting better.

00:54:26.000 He's just beginning to get into the top tier of guys.

00:54:30.000 I mean, he beats Shane Burgos with that beautiful knockout, and the Ricardo Lamas knockout was just spectacular.

00:54:37.000 So Lamas had fought for the title.

00:54:39.000 Lamas was the top guy.

00:54:40.000 And then the Zabit fight, when Zabit is right there at the very top of the heap at 145, and who knows what the fuck would happen if that was a five-rounder.

00:54:48.000 Yeah, I know.

00:54:49.000 Because Calvin was putting it on him.

00:54:50.000 He was at that point.

00:54:52.000 And when Zabit took him down to 30, he basically just hung on in the end.

00:54:55.000 Yeah, he found the way just to make it through.

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:54:58.000 Calvin's dangerous.

00:54:59.000 He's dangerous and getting better.

00:55:02.000 Boy, what a fucking division, man.

00:55:04.000 Your division that you're leaving.

00:55:06.000 The division that you're leaving.

00:55:07.000 Yeah, good.

00:55:09.000 35 is no fucking sweeter, let's be real.

00:55:12.000 There's a lot of killers there too, but you'll be a bigger guy.

00:55:15.000 Yeah, I mean, I still don't think I'll be the biggest guy either at 35, but I'll definitely be, you know, much more comparable to the rest of them.

00:55:24.000 Well, it was interesting because even when you were fighting at 55, a lot of people were saying that you should be 35. Yeah.

00:55:28.000 I was like, you might be right.

00:55:31.000 Like, if he weighs 55, a lot of the guys that weigh 55 compete at 35. At 35, yeah.

00:55:39.000 Shit, what's this?

00:55:40.000 Oh, my God.

00:55:42.000 Lockhart.

00:55:42.000 George Lockhart was on.

00:55:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:44.000 And he's on here.

00:55:45.000 And he said, I can make 25. Slow down, George.

00:55:48.000 I don't know about 25. I don't know about 25. Yeah, you look like T.J. Dillshaw.

00:55:52.000 That was a mistake.

00:55:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:54.000 That was...

00:55:55.000 Out of all the...

00:55:55.000 There's only two...

00:55:56.000 Well, his was real bad all the way up and to the weigh-in.

00:56:02.000 TJ, the way he looked, you know, he looked like he was starving to death.

00:56:07.000 That's what he looked like.

00:56:07.000 He did.

00:56:08.000 I mean, his cheeks were sucked in, his face was sucked in.

00:56:11.000 It was a really bad decision, though, even because he had to, you know, take EPO to try to train.

00:56:17.000 Yeah.

00:56:17.000 It was just terrible.

00:56:18.000 You know, 35, he was the fucking champ and a really good fighter at 35. And to take that stuff, I don't know.

00:56:27.000 You know, Cody Garbrandt was accusing him of taking it even before then.

00:56:32.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:56:34.000 He said he didn't.

00:56:35.000 Cody's actually training with us now, too.

00:56:37.000 Oh, is he?

00:56:37.000 Yeah.

00:56:38.000 Oh, that's a good move for him.

00:56:39.000 That's a very good move for him.

00:56:41.000 Had Mark been working together?

00:56:43.000 He was out for a week.

00:56:44.000 He went back.

00:56:45.000 He's still at Alpha Male 2. Oh, that's right.

00:56:47.000 He was talking to me about that.

00:56:49.000 Mark was giving him some real good pointers on some of the things that he does or exposes himself and how to make sure he's more protected and make sure he's more elusive, more difficult to read, do some different kind of things.

00:57:04.000 But yeah, he's been with us for a little bit now.

00:57:07.000 He went back to Alpha Mel, but he's coming back and finished the camp with us.

00:57:10.000 He's got sick hands.

00:57:11.000 He's got some of the sick hands.

00:57:13.000 I see Marlon, see all these guys, but Cody's hands are so fast, man.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, he's fast as fuck.

00:57:18.000 He is.

00:57:19.000 There it is.

00:57:19.000 He can come back, man.

00:57:21.000 He can come back.

00:57:22.000 He had that fight with TJ, lost, lost in the rematch, and then lost again to Pedro Munoz.

00:57:30.000 So you're like, God damn, he's just so gameful.

00:57:34.000 But all three of those fights, he was in them.

00:57:37.000 He had those guys rocked.

00:57:38.000 He did.

00:57:39.000 That Pedro Munoz guy has a chin made out of fucking steel.

00:57:43.000 He must.

00:57:43.000 Steel.

00:57:44.000 And he knows it, too.

00:57:46.000 He's like, I'll stand in front of anybody.

00:57:48.000 He has that belief in himself.

00:57:50.000 And one of the nastiest guillotines in the game.

00:57:52.000 That guy's got a fucking sick clamp.

00:57:55.000 He gets a hold of your neck.

00:57:56.000 Woo!

00:57:56.000 Yeah, he'd be in trouble.

00:57:57.000 Yeah.

00:57:59.000 That whole division that you're about to drop down into, that's just as scary as a division you're in now.

00:58:06.000 You can't go anywhere nowadays.

00:58:09.000 Yeah, there's no picnics.

00:58:11.000 There's no easy spot.

00:58:12.000 Nothing easy.

00:58:13.000 Even for the ladies.

00:58:14.000 There's no easy ladies divisions either.

00:58:17.000 Every weight class is getting deeper and deeper.

00:58:19.000 And that's just the progression of the sport.

00:58:22.000 Even when I first started, it wasn't at maybe the top 5, top 10. Now you've got top 20 or some dogs.

00:58:31.000 What do you think you're going to do when you retire?

00:58:34.000 I don't know.

00:58:35.000 I don't know.

00:58:36.000 I'm involved with UFC Gym.

00:58:38.000 I have one in North Brunswick, New Jersey, one in Riverdale, you know, kind of partnered up with a couple guys.

00:58:43.000 I'll definitely stay involved in this sport.

00:58:45.000 How does that work?

00:58:46.000 Does the UFC contact you and say, hey, Frankie, you want to be involved in one of these gyms?

00:58:50.000 I think we sought them out, they sought me out type thing.

00:58:54.000 That process took a while to get to where we're at now.

00:58:58.000 I started inquiring about the UFC gym back in 2014, 2015. They must be popular as fuck though, right?

00:59:04.000 Everybody would want to train at a UFC gym.

00:59:06.000 Yeah, you would think.

00:59:07.000 I think some people just, when they think UFC gym, they're like, I'm not the one to go fight anybody.

00:59:12.000 But it's not even like that.

00:59:13.000 UFC gym is a family atmosphere, man.

00:59:15.000 You don't have to go take a fight class.

00:59:17.000 You can go just train or take a martial arts class.

00:59:20.000 Yeah.

00:59:20.000 Now, when they have these UFC gyms, do they have sparring classes, jiu-jitsu classes, they have everything?

00:59:27.000 Yeah, they have everything.

00:59:28.000 So it's just like a fight gym?

00:59:30.000 No, I'd say it's more like an LA Fitness.

00:59:32.000 Like LA Fitness fucked a fight gym.

00:59:34.000 Yes, exactly.

00:59:35.000 Exactly.

00:59:37.000 It's the love child L.A. fitness in a fight gym.

00:59:40.000 And do you train at those places?

00:59:42.000 I do from time to time, yeah.

00:59:44.000 But I usually go up there and teach a class or a seminar, stuff like that.

00:59:48.000 When you train with Mark, where do you train with Mark?

00:59:50.000 His basement.

00:59:51.000 Really?

00:59:51.000 Yeah.

00:59:52.000 Or like Nicotones, but mostly his basement.

00:59:55.000 We started out in his basement.

00:59:56.000 How big is his basement?

00:59:58.000 It's big.

00:59:58.000 He owns a pizzeria.

01:00:00.000 He does pretty well.

01:00:01.000 He kills it with the pizza business.

01:00:03.000 I heard he has amazing pizza.

01:00:05.000 No bullshit.

01:00:06.000 It's some of the best pizza in Jersey.

01:00:08.000 No bullshit.

01:00:08.000 That's a big statement because Jersey has some killer pizza.

01:00:11.000 Jersey has great pizza and it's very good.

01:00:13.000 I'm not lying.

01:00:14.000 Where's it at?

01:00:15.000 It's in Woodbridge, New Jersey.

01:00:17.000 Pino's Pizza.

01:00:18.000 Pino's Pizza.

01:00:18.000 Tell him Frankie sent you.

01:00:21.000 And so his basement he has decked out like a gym?

01:00:24.000 Yeah, it is.

01:00:25.000 It is.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, he's got a whole workout stuff.

01:00:29.000 He's got a full basement, a pretty nice house.

01:00:33.000 Then he put mats on the thing, and a bunch of our posters are up there.

01:00:37.000 So it was cool.

01:00:38.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:00:39.000 But I started with Mark literally in 2005, and that's when we started in his basement.

01:00:43.000 Now, did you have any striking experience before that?

01:00:46.000 None.

01:00:47.000 Just the seaside boardwalk, that's about it.

01:00:51.000 So, what was it like going from just straight wrestling to learning how to strike and wrestle together?

01:00:58.000 It was a learning process, you know.

01:01:01.000 Early in my career, I was able to take everybody down in those early fights.

01:01:04.000 But I had some pretty good fights even before UFC. I fought Davidius, something Davidius.

01:01:10.000 He was...

01:01:12.000 This Ukraine-type fighter.

01:01:14.000 I don't know.

01:01:14.000 He fought in WEC. He beat some good guys, so he was decent.

01:01:17.000 I was able to take him down.

01:01:18.000 Then I fought Jim Miller, actually, my last fight for UFC. Oh, no shit.

01:01:21.000 Yeah, we had a crazy fight.

01:01:24.000 So, you know, I had good opponents right away, but the striking, you know...

01:01:30.000 Something that I really liked.

01:01:31.000 I was always into boxing growing up.

01:01:33.000 I was always into fighting.

01:01:35.000 I'm not from the hood or by any means, but everyone fights where I'm from.

01:01:40.000 Everyone goes to the seaside and looks for fights.

01:01:41.000 That's the nature of it.

01:01:43.000 You hear Joey Diaz talking about it.

01:01:47.000 Jim Miller's a fucking beast.

01:01:49.000 He is a beast, dude.

01:01:50.000 I'm so glad he's healthy now because that guy struggled for so long with Lyme disease.

01:01:54.000 Yeah, my wife has it actually.

01:01:55.000 Does she really?

01:01:56.000 She's been dealing with it since 2007. Dude, everybody gets it on the East Coast.

01:02:01.000 It's crazy how many people have it.

01:02:03.000 Yep.

01:02:04.000 They say that we looked at this map online of all the areas in the East Coast where Lyme disease is prevalent and what percentage of the ticks have it.

01:02:14.000 It's bananas.

01:02:17.000 My wife's neurotic with it too because she's had to go through a bunch of treatments and whatnot.

01:02:24.000 Is it still with her right now?

01:02:25.000 It is.

01:02:26.000 It's not as much, but she's got a bunch of issues, like autoimmune stuff, I think.

01:02:32.000 She does the IV treatments, the sunlight therapy.

01:02:37.000 It's like where they take the blood out, run it through UV, then put it back in you.

01:02:41.000 Yeah, she's done a lot of that stuff.

01:02:42.000 And she's starting to feel better.

01:02:44.000 With Jim, I think he changed his diet.

01:02:46.000 I think that was a big one.

01:02:47.000 Just really started eating clean.

01:02:49.000 Yeah, my wife eats pretty clean.

01:02:50.000 She's kind of a holistic-ish type person.

01:02:54.000 Yeah, the Lyme disease thing is fucking terrifying because for a long time they were diagnosing it incorrectly.

01:03:01.000 Like people didn't know whether it was Lyme disease.

01:03:04.000 And people would come in with all sorts of aches and pains and if they didn't have that big bullseye mark on them where the tick bit them, the doctor really had no idea what was going on and some doctors didn't have a lot of experience with it.

01:03:14.000 Right.

01:03:15.000 I got it when I was young.

01:03:16.000 Did you?

01:03:16.000 Yeah.

01:03:17.000 But I'd seen the tick, so I got on medicine right away, and I was fine.

01:03:21.000 But they say if you don't see the tick, then you just don't know you have it.

01:03:24.000 And then if you don't get on medicine right away, then you're fucked.

01:03:27.000 It's in you for probably ever.

01:03:30.000 Yeah.

01:03:31.000 It's not even the Lyme disease.

01:03:33.000 It's the other diseases that get attached to it.

01:03:35.000 Yes.

01:03:36.000 Well, there's a thing called Morgellons.

01:03:38.000 Have you ever heard of Morgellons?

01:03:39.000 Yeah.

01:03:40.000 Morgellons is a disease that a lot of people think is like a psychological disease.

01:03:44.000 They think that you're imagining things because they would imagine that fibers were growing out of their scabs and they'd scratch themselves like crazy.

01:03:52.000 Right.

01:03:52.000 But I had some good insight.

01:03:53.000 We did a television show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.

01:03:56.000 And we had some...

01:03:58.000 One of the conversations I had was with a doctor who has Lyme disease.

01:04:01.000 And that's when things got interesting because he was aware of it not just as a person who has the disease but also as a doctor.

01:04:07.000 And he said one thing that all these people that have Morgellons have in common is that they all have Lyme disease.

01:04:13.000 And he thinks that Lyme disease is not just one thing.

01:04:16.000 That it's a host of other things that are attached to Lyme disease like non-identified pathogens.

01:04:24.000 And that some of them have...

01:04:27.000 Some sort of neurotoxic effect that changes the way you see things.

01:04:31.000 So he was seeing things that weren't there.

01:04:34.000 He was seeing worms crawling around in his eye that weren't there.

01:04:37.000 That weren't there.

01:04:38.000 And he realized, okay, this is probably what Morgellons is.

01:04:42.000 These people are thinking that things are growing in their skin, but there's nothing there.

01:04:45.000 But it's really because the Lyme disease and all the other toxins and pathogens that come with it are fucking with your neurology.

01:04:53.000 They're fucking with your brain.

01:04:55.000 Yeah, my wife said brain fog is probably the biggest thing that bothers her.

01:05:00.000 And she went through a period where she was always tired.

01:05:04.000 And it's crazy because my wife, you would never guess it because she's super high energy.

01:05:07.000 She works out every day.

01:05:09.000 Just pushes through it.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, pushes through it.

01:05:11.000 But it's definitely something she has to constantly treat.

01:05:15.000 You remember when people had chronic fatigue syndrome?

01:05:17.000 Yeah.

01:05:18.000 Where'd that go?

01:05:19.000 I don't know.

01:05:20.000 Isn't that like a thing that everybody always had?

01:05:22.000 But it's an excuse.

01:05:23.000 Is that an excuse?

01:05:23.000 I don't know.

01:05:24.000 Like a bullshit thing?

01:05:24.000 I don't know.

01:05:26.000 See, that's you.

01:05:27.000 That's these mentally tough guys.

01:05:29.000 Like, come on.

01:05:29.000 Fuck.

01:05:30.000 How do I feel?

01:05:31.000 I feel good.

01:05:31.000 Let's go.

01:05:32.000 That's it.

01:05:32.000 I feel good.

01:05:34.000 You know, I mean, my wife, it's...

01:05:38.000 Shit's expensive, too, all these damn dreamers.

01:05:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:43.000 Well, Marcus Davis, all of his UFC money, he spent treating his wife for Lyme disease.

01:05:48.000 Wow, yeah.

01:05:48.000 He wound up...

01:05:49.000 He's a prison guard now.

01:05:51.000 Is he really?

01:05:52.000 Somewhere, yeah.

01:05:53.000 I think he's still doing that.

01:05:55.000 You know, he's good buddies with Della Grata.

01:05:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:57.000 Della Grata was keeping me posted on him, but he wound up...

01:06:01.000 Like, his wife got it real bad.

01:06:03.000 I think he spent more than a quarter million dollars just treating her.

01:06:06.000 Not that much.

01:06:07.000 I mean, unless my wife's not telling me, but...

01:06:10.000 It's fucking bad.

01:06:11.000 My friend Steve Rinella, he and his son got it, and the doctors didn't recognize it.

01:06:16.000 The doctors, he was like, I think it might be Lyme disease.

01:06:18.000 The doctors didn't think so.

01:06:20.000 Then his son started getting Bell's Palsy.

01:06:22.000 So half his face, and his son was little.

01:06:25.000 I think he was like four or five.

01:06:26.000 Half his face was going numb.

01:06:28.000 Yeah, that happened to my wife, actually.

01:06:29.000 She had Bell's Palsy at one time.

01:06:31.000 Yeah.

01:06:32.000 I think she got a flu shot, she said, and then came home, she got Bell's Palsy.

01:06:35.000 Jesus Christ.

01:06:36.000 Yeah.

01:06:37.000 Yeah, it's a fucking creepy disease, man.

01:06:39.000 It is.

01:06:39.000 Because no one seems to know what to do with it.

01:06:41.000 And, you know, they had a vaccine for a little while, but the problem with the vaccine was people were, and this is including my manager's dad, took the vaccine and got...

01:06:53.000 Lyme disease from the vaccine.

01:06:55.000 I keep hearing this with vaccines or even flu shot.

01:06:59.000 People get the flu shot and they get the flu.

01:07:01.000 I've heard that people get sick when they get the flu shot.

01:07:03.000 But then I've talked to people that are vaccine people and they're like, no, you probably were already getting the flu and the flu shot that you got was the wrong one for whatever flu was in the area.

01:07:12.000 Well, I also heard, too, they give you the strain from last year and then there's the new strain this year, so it's not even really helping you.

01:07:18.000 Well, I think there's multiple strains each year, and I think they're basically just hedging their bets.

01:07:23.000 I don't take flu shots.

01:07:25.000 No, hell no.

01:07:26.000 Yeah, but I think they do work if you get lucky and get the right one.

01:07:31.000 I'm not too lucky.

01:07:32.000 I don't know.

01:07:32.000 I mean, I believe in vaccines for sure, but I don't think that it always works in the flu shot case.

01:07:38.000 I'm not sure.

01:07:39.000 Because, like, sometimes they just get it wrong.

01:07:42.000 Like, they have the wrong strain.

01:07:43.000 Right, right.

01:07:44.000 What do we know?

01:07:45.000 No, I know.

01:07:45.000 It's a fucking touchy subject anyway.

01:07:48.000 Two morons talking about flu shots.

01:07:50.000 Exactly.

01:07:52.000 But with the Lyme disease, there's a conspiracy theory that that's the government put that out in the wild.

01:07:59.000 Well, there was a conspiracy theory that there was actually – look this up, Jamie, because there was actually something about this they were talking about recently where they were looking in – they were investigating the idea – That Lyme disease was a biological warfare weapon that accidentally got released.

01:08:17.000 But this was through legitimate channels they were investigating this.

01:08:20.000 It wasn't like some fucking tinfoil hat job.

01:08:23.000 They released it on the East Coast, I guess.

01:08:25.000 Not where they wanted to release it.

01:08:27.000 Well, I think it got out.

01:08:28.000 I think the idea is that somehow or another this disease had accidentally escaped their labs or while they were in the middle of treating people.

01:08:36.000 Is a tick the only way you can get lion's disease?

01:08:38.000 I believe so, yeah.

01:08:40.000 And it's the ticks.

01:08:41.000 I think it's deer ticks.

01:08:43.000 I think it's places that have a high population of deer also have a high population of these ticks.

01:08:49.000 And then when people get it, most of them don't realize they have it until it's too late.

01:08:55.000 So you don't realize you have it, and then you miss the early rounds of antibiotics, which can knock it out.

01:09:01.000 And then you get this chronic state like Jim Miller has and your wife has.

01:09:06.000 Yeah, my buddy Steve Rinella that had it, he was fucked up.

01:09:11.000 I mean, bad for...

01:09:13.000 At least six months.

01:09:15.000 When I saw him, he looked like he had lost, and he's a slim guy, but he looked like he had lost 20 or 30 pounds.

01:09:21.000 And he just said he'd been dealing with the Lyme disease, and it just killed him.

01:09:26.000 I mean, not killed him, but just really diminished his body.

01:09:31.000 Yeah, it's a weird disease, man, because you can't find anybody who doesn't know anybody who has it when you're on the East Coast.

01:09:38.000 Right, yeah.

01:09:39.000 Everybody knows.

01:09:40.000 A brother or a cousin or a wife.

01:09:42.000 Someone has it.

01:09:43.000 I love running the woods and trails, but in the summertime, it's like, man, I'm so nervous to get ticks.

01:09:48.000 I don't want my kids going out in it.

01:09:50.000 I think it takes 24 hours for it to set in, so once you do come back, if you have a tick on, you just have to remove it immediately.

01:09:57.000 Yeah, that's what we do.

01:09:58.000 Every time we go in the woods, tick checks.

01:10:00.000 How do you get them off you, though?

01:10:02.000 What if it's in the middle of your back and you're by yourself?

01:10:04.000 Yeah, I guess like one of those back scratchers or something.

01:10:08.000 Like, here it is.

01:10:10.000 Was Lyme disease created as a bioweapon?

01:10:13.000 Is this a legit website?

01:10:14.000 Yeah, it's HowStuffWorks.

01:10:17.000 So it's not unlegit.

01:10:18.000 No, that's legit.

01:10:20.000 HowStuffWorks is very legit.

01:10:21.000 I just sort of read through the whole article.

01:10:22.000 It's sort of unproven, but there are some people, I believe, that think that this is a thing.

01:10:28.000 It just would be very hard to do is what the end of the article says.

01:10:30.000 Ticks as weapons issue made headlines back in July 2019, thanks to the U.S. House of Representatives, Chris Smith, R. New Jersey, Republican New Jersey, who introduced legislation directing the Department of Defense to review claims that the Pentagon researched tick-based bioweapons in the mid-20th century.

01:10:50.000 The amendment passed.

01:10:51.000 Smith said he was inspired by a number of books and articles suggesting that significant research had been done in the U.S. government.

01:10:57.000 Facilities including Fort Detrick, Maryland and Plum Island, New York to turn ticks and other insects into bioweapons.

01:11:04.000 Imagine if those cunts created a fucking disease and now everyone on the East Coast has it.

01:11:09.000 What the fuck?

01:11:09.000 Because it's mostly out there.

01:11:11.000 That's what's fucked up.

01:11:11.000 Yeah, it is.

01:11:12.000 It is.

01:11:13.000 Isn't Lyme a place in Connecticut?

01:11:16.000 Yes.

01:11:16.000 Yeah.

01:11:16.000 Is that why they named it?

01:11:18.000 Lyme disease?

01:11:18.000 I mean, I think that's why they named it that.

01:11:20.000 Have you heard of the Rocky Mountain tick?

01:11:23.000 Yeah, isn't that kind of the West Coast version of...

01:11:25.000 Well, it's Texas.

01:11:28.000 It's, I think, or the Lone Star Tick.

01:11:30.000 That's what it is.

01:11:31.000 Oh, that's different.

01:11:31.000 The Lone Star one.

01:11:31.000 It makes you not like meat or something?

01:11:33.000 Yes.

01:11:34.000 Alpha Gal.

01:11:35.000 Alpha Galactose.

01:11:35.000 It does something.

01:11:36.000 I think that's the word.

01:11:38.000 It makes you allergic to meat.

01:11:40.000 Allergic to meat.

01:11:41.000 Wow.

01:11:41.000 Yeah, so you literally go the rest of your life and you can't eat meat.

01:11:44.000 You have to eat, like, chicken and fish.

01:11:46.000 Shoot me.

01:11:47.000 What is that?

01:11:48.000 Yeah, the first cases of it were there in 1975. Yeah, the goddamn government.

01:11:52.000 They're creating bioweapons.

01:11:53.000 I'm not surprised.

01:11:55.000 I talked to this Soviet Union guy when I was doing that television show, and he was saying that they had all sorts of bioweapons that they were developing over there.

01:12:02.000 Giant pits filled with anthrax.

01:12:05.000 Are there ticks in other countries?

01:12:07.000 Or Lyme disease in other countries?

01:12:08.000 That's a good question.

01:12:10.000 That's a very good question.

01:12:11.000 That would sort of explain a lot of that.

01:12:13.000 While we're in Conspiracyville, have you seen the coronavirus stuff?

01:12:16.000 Oh, there's conspiracies about it?

01:12:18.000 Yeah.

01:12:19.000 What's a conspiracy?

01:12:19.000 There's like a level 4 bioweapon facility opened in Wuhan.

01:12:24.000 Oh, wow.

01:12:25.000 Not too long ago.

01:12:27.000 Oh, great.

01:12:27.000 The suggestions are online.

01:12:29.000 I don't know.

01:12:29.000 I'm not saying it.

01:12:30.000 The suggestions are online.

01:12:32.000 Something might have leaked just like this.

01:12:33.000 Have you consulted with Sam Tripoli or Eddie Bravo?

01:12:35.000 I have seen tweets.

01:12:37.000 I'll just say I've seen tweets.

01:12:39.000 From who?

01:12:39.000 From Sam or Eddie?

01:12:40.000 I think Sam's retweeted some stuff.

01:12:42.000 Oh, of course.

01:12:43.000 Of course he has.

01:12:44.000 I've seen other stuff online, too.

01:12:45.000 Wow.

01:12:45.000 I mean, I think whatever news is out there, there's always some conspiracy theory that goes with it, right?

01:12:50.000 That's true.

01:12:50.000 Even if it's like Locke...

01:12:52.000 Look, I saw conspiracy theories that Connor threw the fight, or Cowboy threw the fight with Connor.

01:12:56.000 Oh, people are so stupid, man.

01:12:57.000 I had my cousins like, oh, I can't believe Cowboy would do that.

01:13:00.000 I'm like, do what?

01:13:01.000 He got fucking cracked, man.

01:13:02.000 Yeah, do what?

01:13:03.000 People are crazy.

01:13:04.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, I was upset at Stephen A. Smith, and he made a video responding to me.

01:13:10.000 Come on.

01:13:11.000 Listen, Stephen A. Smith, I guess I should respond, right?

01:13:16.000 You're a very entertaining guy.

01:13:18.000 I like you a lot.

01:13:19.000 And I appreciate the props you gave me in that video, but you're wrong.

01:13:24.000 Yeah.

01:13:24.000 Cowboy got fucked up with those shoulders in the clinch.

01:13:27.000 He had Conor's arms tied up, and they're in tight spaces.

01:13:31.000 Conor dips low and slams this bone of his shoulder into the nose.

01:13:36.000 And he's, at the beginning of the round...

01:13:39.000 Conor's a fucking super explosive guy.

01:13:42.000 Super explosive.

01:13:43.000 All muscles.

01:13:45.000 Just fucking pulled tight at the beginning of the fight.

01:13:47.000 And just bang!

01:13:48.000 Bang!

01:13:49.000 He got off good shots and Cowboy was confused.

01:13:52.000 I think he was flustered.

01:13:53.000 Flustered.

01:13:53.000 I don't think that those shots maybe rocked him.

01:13:56.000 They broke his nose.

01:13:58.000 Broke his nose.

01:13:58.000 That could rock you, I guess, in a sense.

01:13:59.000 Well, he's got blood pouring out of his nose, so he's not breathing out of his nose now, and then all of a sudden he's like, fuck, my nose is already fucked up, and he hasn't even punched me yet.

01:14:07.000 Right.

01:14:08.000 You know, it was unusual.

01:14:10.000 Like, I could see if someone has a peripheral understanding of the sport, and you see that happening, like, come on, man.

01:14:17.000 Or even guys like Mike Bisping.

01:14:18.000 Like, Mike Bisping was like, fucking shoulder strikes, come on, shoulder strikes.

01:14:22.000 But...

01:14:23.000 That said, Mike Bisping is, without a doubt, one of the toughest human beings that's ever walked the face of the planet.

01:14:29.000 If he lost an ear, he'd be like, ah, you got another ear!

01:14:33.000 He fights with one eye.

01:14:34.000 He doesn't give a fuck.

01:14:36.000 He fought a giant chunk of his career against the best fighters in the world, including winning the title with one eye.

01:14:41.000 Michael Bisping is a fucking dyed-in-the-wool savage.

01:14:45.000 So if he's like, ah, it's just shoulder strikes.

01:14:48.000 That said...

01:14:49.000 The shoulder strikes didn't end the fight.

01:14:51.000 The shoulder strikes definitely got him off on the wrong foot.

01:14:53.000 Then, Cowboy threw a kick to Conor's arms, and then Conor countered with a head kick.

01:14:59.000 Rocked Cowboy back.

01:15:01.000 Rocked him.

01:15:02.000 You see his legs go, and then Conor hits him with pistons.

01:15:06.000 He hits so hard.

01:15:08.000 I don't get how people could say it was a work.

01:15:10.000 He broke his fucking orbital bone.

01:15:12.000 Yeah.

01:15:12.000 But Stephen A. Smith said that he felt like...

01:15:15.000 Cowboy quit.

01:15:16.000 He did not quit.

01:15:17.000 He got smashed.

01:15:18.000 You can't say someone quit after getting their nose broke and rocked and a broken orbital.

01:15:23.000 You can't say he quit.

01:15:24.000 It's also who you're talking about.

01:15:26.000 You're talking about a guy who has the most fights in the UFC, the most finishes in the UFC, the most head kick knockouts in the UFC, the most bonuses in the UFC. Cowboy is a fucking legend.

01:15:38.000 He is as tough as they come.

01:15:40.000 He's lost before.

01:15:41.000 Every human can lose.

01:15:43.000 Especially you're fighting guys like Darren Till and Jorge Masvidal and these fucking animals that he's fighting.

01:15:49.000 He's fighting the cream of the crop or Conor.

01:15:51.000 And Conor literally broke his face.

01:15:53.000 He broke his nose and he broke his orbital bone.

01:15:56.000 So Stephen A. Smith responded and then Conor responded.

01:16:00.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

01:16:01.000 Conor told him to apologize.

01:16:02.000 And Conor's right.

01:16:03.000 Yeah, he is right.

01:16:04.000 I mean...

01:16:04.000 Give Conor the credit a little bit.

01:16:07.000 I think the problem is Stephen A. Smith, who's a very entertaining guy and is very knowledgeable about other sports, this is not his wheelhouse.

01:16:14.000 And also that style of dismissing athletes and putting people down.

01:16:19.000 That's...

01:16:20.000 That's how he kind of made his name.

01:16:21.000 That's how he made his name.

01:16:22.000 And it's fun to listen to.

01:16:23.000 He's a fun guy to listen to.

01:16:25.000 He talks great shit.

01:16:27.000 I wonder, I mean, I'm sure basketball players are kind of saying the same stuff we're saying when he's criticizing basketball players, though.

01:16:35.000 Or football players, you know what I mean?

01:16:36.000 Oh, I'm sure.

01:16:37.000 I'm sure.

01:16:37.000 I mean, I don't know too much about that.

01:16:39.000 Jamie, you're a sports fan, right?

01:16:40.000 Do they criticize him, too?

01:16:42.000 No.

01:16:43.000 He's respected, for sure.

01:16:44.000 Yeah, but the show he's on, every day he's got to wake up and give his take, and they've got to talk about it for an hour or two.

01:16:52.000 And a lot of the take, the controversy is good.

01:16:56.000 Shock value.

01:16:57.000 And he had a radio show for three hours he did after that, so he talks all day long.

01:17:02.000 Yeah, and he's entertaining.

01:17:04.000 That's what people like to hear.

01:17:05.000 They like to hear someone passionate.

01:17:07.000 You ever hear him and Teddy Atlas argue after the Conor McGregor-Floyd Mayweather fight?

01:17:13.000 Yeah.

01:17:14.000 Because Teddy Atlas is like, Conor McGregor made the best chef in the world be a fucking fast food cook.

01:17:21.000 That's basically how they're back and forth.

01:17:24.000 The two of them yelling and arguing.

01:17:25.000 It's very entertaining.

01:17:28.000 That's his position, all right?

01:17:29.000 I just think that this sport demands more appreciation, more respect, and it demands a higher level of reverence to the athletes who literally put their lives on the line.

01:17:41.000 It's different.

01:17:42.000 I don't think you have to say the guy quit to describe what happened.

01:17:45.000 No, you could just talk about what Conor did that was so special.

01:17:49.000 Look, the guy finds tricky ways to do things in those shoulder strikes.

01:17:54.000 Look, we've seen guys do shoulder shrugs before, but we never saw anybody do it successfully.

01:17:59.000 But you've got to think about the UFC is...

01:18:02.000 A lot of what happens in the UFC is someone, out of all these fights, finally does something, and then other people start doing that thing.

01:18:09.000 Like, you remember when no one was throwing front kicks to the face?

01:18:12.000 No one.

01:18:13.000 For all those fucking years.

01:18:15.000 Yep.

01:18:15.000 All of a sudden, Anderson knocks out Vitor, who's like one of the elite of the elite strikers, knocks him out with a front kick to the face, and you're like, what the fuck?

01:18:23.000 And then you see everyone trying it.

01:18:25.000 Nobody ever did it.

01:18:26.000 I don't remember anybody ever, even in kickboxing, people very rarely threw a front kick to the face.

01:18:31.000 It just wasn't, you know, they would teep to the face.

01:18:33.000 Right, to the body, yeah.

01:18:33.000 But even teeps to the face, it was more like...

01:18:36.000 The range thing.

01:18:36.000 Yeah, all you would, like, push in his face.

01:18:39.000 Right.

01:18:39.000 Like, you very rarely, unless someone caught it perfect, saw a guy get knocked out with, like, a snap front kick with the ball of the foot.

01:18:46.000 It's almost like an uppercut the way it comes off from underneath.

01:18:49.000 Dude, it's a fucking devastating technique when done correctly.

01:18:52.000 I mean, Justin Buchholz got a KO with it outside of the UFC that's devastating.

01:18:57.000 Lyoto Machida did that jumping front kick to Randy Couture.

01:19:00.000 You knock out Randy Couture with a fucking front kick to the face.

01:19:03.000 That's a legit technique.

01:19:04.000 But then you see everybody doing that, like low calf kicks, right?

01:19:08.000 First guy I ever saw do it was Benson.

01:19:10.000 Benson Henderson really got into those low calf kicks.

01:19:13.000 You did it to me.

01:19:14.000 Yeah, right.

01:19:15.000 Those are rough, man.

01:19:17.000 But now everybody throws those kicks.

01:19:18.000 You've got to think of how many years went by before people were not throwing low calf kicks.

01:19:23.000 I guarantee you, now, when people get tied up in the clinch, and someone's holding someone with double overhooks or whatever, I don't remember how Connor had a hold of, or Cowboy had a hold of Connor.

01:19:33.000 Over-under, right?

01:19:34.000 Over-under, I think, yeah.

01:19:36.000 When someone's tied up in the clinch and you can't strike, you're gonna see guys do that.

01:19:40.000 Yeah, yeah, 100%.

01:19:40.000 Because this is a bone, man.

01:19:41.000 It's a fucking bone right there.

01:19:43.000 That is hard.

01:19:43.000 And if anything, it's just something to distract them, you know, to move to something else.

01:19:46.000 But this, where your shoulder, the top of your shoulder, that's fucking hard.

01:19:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:51.000 You know, it's not the ideal thing to strike with, but when there's nothing else there, there's something there.

01:19:56.000 Yeah.

01:19:57.000 I could see how Stephen Smith would not think that that was effective.

01:20:01.000 I could see.

01:20:02.000 But for me, it was clearly effective.

01:20:05.000 There were hard shots.

01:20:06.000 There's a lot of power behind it.

01:20:07.000 There's a lot of explosion.

01:20:09.000 Conor dipping his level and coming up and slamming into it.

01:20:13.000 It was kind of crazy.

01:20:14.000 But even if you take that away, the head kick and the punches to finish, I mean, come on.

01:20:19.000 He got beat down.

01:20:21.000 He got beat down and smashed by a guy who rises to the occasion.

01:20:24.000 Look, Cowboy's had problems in the past with these really big fights, and he looked nervous as fuck, and he talks about it openly.

01:20:31.000 There was a video that they played, which I don't think they should have played, before the fight, because he had to hear that.

01:20:36.000 So they're playing a video of him describing how nervous he gets before fights, and how he's...

01:20:41.000 Throws off.

01:20:42.000 And also about how he's kind of faking it.

01:20:44.000 He's pretending like he's fine, but he's not inside.

01:20:47.000 I'm freaking the fuck out.

01:20:48.000 They played that before he fought.

01:20:50.000 I'm like, why are you doing that?

01:20:51.000 I was thinking about it even more.

01:20:52.000 Yes!

01:20:52.000 That's what I was thinking.

01:20:53.000 I was saying, fuck, he does not need to hear this.

01:20:55.000 That's why I'm in the locker room.

01:20:57.000 When I'm in the locker room and the TV's on, I'm always like, turn that volume down.

01:21:00.000 I don't want to hear anybody talking about my fight.

01:21:02.000 Turn that shit down.

01:21:04.000 Good for you.

01:21:05.000 I mean, I'm cognizant of that when I see a guy in the locker room and I'm talking.

01:21:09.000 I try to pump him up.

01:21:10.000 I want him to feel good.

01:21:12.000 Yeah, show up.

01:21:13.000 Yeah.

01:21:13.000 Well, when you come out, man, in that Biggie song, Biggie, there's something about...

01:21:20.000 Some fighters and songs.

01:21:23.000 There's a connection to those guys.

01:21:25.000 Every time I hear that song, I think about you.

01:21:28.000 Yeah, man.

01:21:28.000 I started in 2009 when I fought Shirk.

01:21:31.000 That was the first time I ran out to it.

01:21:33.000 I was like, man, the most shady Frankie baby.

01:21:36.000 I was like, this is it.

01:21:38.000 Dude, Biggie's probably my...

01:21:40.000 Well, if he's not my all-time, he's like top three.

01:21:43.000 Nas is probably my all-time, but he's right up there.

01:21:45.000 Yeah, I think Biggie might be my guy, too.

01:21:48.000 Seventh grade, I got that Ready to Die cassette tape and listened to this shit.

01:21:52.000 I think I listened it until I couldn't listen to it no more.

01:21:54.000 Yeah.

01:21:55.000 Well, I was on news radio while I was doing a sitcom, and I remember I listened to that fucking hypnotized song like ten times in a row.

01:22:03.000 I was like, God damn, that's a good song.

01:22:05.000 His flow was so entertaining.

01:22:08.000 He was.

01:22:08.000 He could tell a story better than anybody.

01:22:10.000 Oh, man.

01:22:11.000 He was a special dude.

01:22:12.000 He was a special dude.

01:22:13.000 The feud between him and Tupac, the fact that both of those guys got murdered.

01:22:17.000 Yeah, that's crazy, right?

01:22:18.000 What the fuck, man?

01:22:19.000 Yeah.

01:22:19.000 Like, oh, God.

01:22:20.000 How good would they have been as they got older, too?

01:22:23.000 I know.

01:22:23.000 And Biggie, Apocalypse, he had...

01:22:26.000 Thousands of CDs, at least, or mixtapes, you know, come out after his death, but then he only had two albums, really, you know, so he didn't have much material.

01:22:33.000 Isn't that crazy that Pac put so much shit down?

01:22:36.000 Yeah.

01:22:37.000 Pac, man, he was like an activist, too, you know, so everything was kind of politically charged and everything.

01:22:43.000 Well, he was unbelievably prolific.

01:22:46.000 Yeah.

01:22:47.000 Like, he wrote so much.

01:22:49.000 After he was dead, they released like five albums.

01:22:53.000 Six albums.

01:22:54.000 It was crazy.

01:22:54.000 Of all new stuff.

01:22:55.000 Yeah, where is all this shit from?

01:22:56.000 Remember then they did the hologram?

01:22:58.000 Because he's in Cuba.

01:22:58.000 He's in Cuba recording, that's why.

01:23:00.000 Remember they had the hologram?

01:23:01.000 Was it Coachella?

01:23:02.000 That was so weird.

01:23:04.000 A little creepy, right?

01:23:04.000 That was so creepy.

01:23:05.000 I was like, what is the future going to be like?

01:23:07.000 We're going to see Janis Joplin up there singing.

01:23:09.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:23:10.000 Legitimately, they're going to be able to do that in the future.

01:23:13.000 That's true.

01:23:13.000 They're probably going to be able to write new Janis Joplin songs and have her singing in a hologram.

01:23:19.000 And you won't even be able to tell it's not really her.

01:23:21.000 I just listened to the radio yesterday.

01:23:24.000 Chester Bennington from Lincoln Park, his first band he was in when he was like 18, they had recordings of him that they just put new music to and re-released the music.

01:23:34.000 I think it's called Gray Days or No Gray or something like that.

01:23:37.000 I didn't listen to it myself, but I heard it's not bad.

01:23:40.000 That's a bummer.

01:23:41.000 He was a bummer.

01:23:42.000 I know.

01:23:42.000 That was a bummer.

01:23:45.000 A lot of these guys, I don't know, a lot of artists seem like they're conflicted in some ways.

01:23:50.000 It's one of the reasons why they're so good.

01:23:52.000 When Chester would sing, it was like he was wailing, screaming.

01:23:56.000 There was something about the angst and the anger and the energy and the emotions in his voice.

01:24:02.000 That was why he was so good.

01:24:04.000 Sometimes, like Linkin Park, he's just listening because they jam.

01:24:08.000 Then you start listening to some of the words, like, man, this guy was...

01:24:10.000 He's been feeling it for a while.

01:24:12.000 Yeah, he was going through some shit for sure.

01:24:15.000 It's so hard to believe when someone like Chris Carnell or someone like him takes their own life.

01:24:21.000 They were good friends, right?

01:24:23.000 I believe so, yeah.

01:24:24.000 I think one of them, didn't he kill himself on his birthday or something like that?

01:24:28.000 I think so.

01:24:29.000 Something sad like that.

01:24:30.000 But again, two guys with those insane voices.

01:24:34.000 I mean, Soundgarden?

01:24:35.000 God damn, he was good.

01:24:37.000 Definitely, yeah.

01:24:37.000 Cool!

01:24:39.000 Damn.

01:24:40.000 But it's like, it's almost like those guys that have that insane, and women too, that have that insane emotion in their voice.

01:24:48.000 Like, they're just so, they're so torn and conflicted.

01:24:52.000 Yeah.

01:24:52.000 Yeah, that's, I mean, pour it out.

01:24:54.000 You could hear it in their voice, their hearts pouring out.

01:24:57.000 I think that's what it is.

01:24:58.000 Yeah.

01:24:59.000 Yeah.

01:25:00.000 Yeah, it's, I don't know, man.

01:25:03.000 It's a bummer.

01:25:05.000 It's a bummer.

01:25:06.000 But the Tupac, they don't do that anymore, right?

01:25:09.000 That fucking hologram.

01:25:11.000 The Tupac hologram was built like Marlon.

01:25:14.000 Marlon Marais.

01:25:15.000 Have you ever seen the Tupac hologram?

01:25:17.000 A little bit, yeah.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, he was way more jacked than Tupac ever was.

01:25:20.000 Like, has Tupac been doing fucking CrossFit?

01:25:23.000 He's been doing F45 for the last five years while he's in hiding?

01:25:27.000 He's been getting after it.

01:25:30.000 Yeah, there's a lot of guys that...

01:25:32.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:25:33.000 Like, look how jacked.

01:25:35.000 He looks like Wiz Khalifa looks now.

01:25:37.000 Yeah, Wiz Khalifa again after it.

01:25:39.000 Wiz is jacked!

01:25:39.000 There was a good video the other day of Wiz Khalifa hitting the bag.

01:25:42.000 I'm like, God damn, Wiz Khalifa.

01:25:44.000 Wiz Khalifa's got good technique.

01:25:46.000 He does.

01:25:47.000 He does Thai fights?

01:25:49.000 Yeah, he's doing a lot of Muay Thai.

01:25:51.000 But he's got crazy abs, man.

01:25:53.000 The dude is fucking jacked.

01:25:54.000 He is.

01:25:55.000 He's got no fat on him.

01:25:56.000 And he smokes weed all day.

01:25:58.000 My guy.

01:25:59.000 All day.

01:26:01.000 All day.

01:26:03.000 Is weed legal in New Jersey now?

01:26:04.000 How's it work?

01:26:05.000 Medical is, yeah.

01:26:06.000 You have to have like a real problem, right?

01:26:08.000 No.

01:26:09.000 You can't just have headaches?

01:26:09.000 Can you have headaches?

01:26:10.000 Anxiety you could have.

01:26:11.000 Oh, anxiety.

01:26:12.000 I get that.

01:26:14.000 There's Weeds Cleaver.

01:26:15.000 Yeah, he trains hard, man.

01:26:17.000 Yeah, that's cool.

01:26:18.000 It's always good when these guys do this stuff, brings light to our sport.

01:26:22.000 Yeah, Snoop trains too.

01:26:23.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 Yeah, there's some videos of Snoop training and sparring online.

01:26:27.000 It's awesome.

01:26:28.000 I love it.

01:26:29.000 I love it.

01:26:30.000 I mean, it's just great for you, too, even if you don't ever plan on fighting.

01:26:35.000 To me, I mean, you know, I'd rather hit pads and kick a bag than run on a fucking treadmill, man.

01:26:40.000 Oh, for sure.

01:26:41.000 It's so much more entertaining.

01:26:42.000 If these people realize that, they would like it a lot more, too.

01:26:45.000 Do you run at all?

01:26:46.000 I do run.

01:26:47.000 I like to run.

01:26:48.000 But I don't run for my camps or anything.

01:26:51.000 I just enjoy running.

01:26:54.000 Well, you're known for your endurance, you know, and when you would train, how much of you, did you do any cardio-specific workouts or was most of your cardio done through fight training?

01:27:05.000 I mean, my strength and conditioning stuff would be a little cardio-based, you know, just like circuit training and stuff.

01:27:11.000 I actually started working with a new strength and conditioning guy.

01:27:14.000 He's a young kid, man.

01:27:15.000 He's 24, but super passionate, really, into, you know.

01:27:17.000 How do you find someone like that?

01:27:19.000 You know, I just...

01:27:20.000 Actually, Todd Frazier, who's actually on my podcast, we just released the episode today.

01:27:25.000 Champ of the Tramp?

01:27:26.000 Champ of the Tramp.

01:27:28.000 He's a professional pistol player from my town, and I asked him where he was doing his off-season training, and he hooked me up with this guy.

01:27:35.000 This guy does RPR, Reflexive Performance Recovery or something?

01:27:39.000 No.

01:27:40.000 No, Reset Performance Recovery?

01:27:41.000 What is that?

01:27:42.000 He does these certain things that just reset your nervous system, I guess.

01:27:47.000 Like, he'll bang on your back.

01:27:49.000 Bangs on your back, bangs on your back, and then you do a test, and you're stronger in a weird way.

01:27:55.000 Really?

01:27:55.000 It's RPR. Is that real?

01:27:59.000 Is there a voodoo?

01:28:00.000 I'm not a voodoo guy.

01:28:02.000 I'm not a voodoo guy.

01:28:05.000 He has one where I chopped my inner thighs.

01:28:08.000 I'll go up and down like four times, and then he'll do some more tests.

01:28:12.000 He'll make me go like a sit-up position, and he'll try to push me down flat.

01:28:16.000 Before I did the test, I pretty much couldn't stop.

01:28:19.000 Then I did the test, he almost put his body on me, and I could hold him up.

01:28:21.000 Really?

01:28:22.000 I don't know if it's mental.

01:28:23.000 But I always feel good.

01:28:25.000 I'll come into training and I'll be like, you know, I feel a little shoddy.

01:28:28.000 And he puts me through these tests.

01:28:30.000 And some of them hurt.

01:28:30.000 Like sometimes he goes up and down your sternum on your ribs.

01:28:33.000 And like, it's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable.

01:28:35.000 And you're supposed to relax.

01:28:37.000 And it kind of wakes me up, gets me going.

01:28:39.000 Hmm.

01:28:39.000 And the idea is that it jumps your reflexes up?

01:28:43.000 Yeah, I mean, again, I'm a dummy.

01:28:45.000 Yeah, I don't know it either.

01:28:47.000 I know for sure that deep tissue work does a lot, right?

01:28:51.000 Deep tissue massage.

01:28:52.000 The way he explained it too was like, I couldn't do it to myself.

01:28:56.000 Like one of them where he kind of goes and he hits up my IT band on my left, on my inside and outside of my thigh.

01:29:01.000 And it hurts to the point where I'm like, oh my, you're almost writhing in pain.

01:29:05.000 You know, I'm trying to relax and I'm doing it.

01:29:06.000 But you can't do it to yourself.

01:29:07.000 It's like he says, you can't tickle yourself because you know the pressure you're giving yourself.

01:29:10.000 But someone else could tick you.

01:29:11.000 So someone else had to do this to you.

01:29:13.000 But isn't tickling like you don't have control?

01:29:16.000 Because I can do the same pressure that someone would tickle me, but it's...

01:29:20.000 But you know the pressure you're giving yourself.

01:29:22.000 That's what was explained to me.

01:29:23.000 Okay, so you don't know what pressure...

01:29:26.000 So you're like, hey, what are you doing?

01:29:27.000 Yeah, you don't know the pressure they're giving to you.

01:29:29.000 And I think that does something with your nervous system.

01:29:31.000 What do you think tickling is from?

01:29:32.000 Do you think it's from evolving to get away from bugs?

01:29:34.000 Like you feel something on you, like...

01:29:36.000 Doesn't that make sense?

01:29:38.000 Yeah.

01:29:39.000 Like spiders on you or some shit?

01:29:41.000 Yeah.

01:29:42.000 Yeah, I think everything has to go back to that stuff.

01:29:45.000 It has to.

01:29:45.000 Or why do you hold your breath when you're nervous?

01:29:48.000 People say, you've got to breathe, breathe.

01:29:50.000 Why do you hold your breath?

01:29:50.000 Probably because you're in the middle of the woods and something's fucking hot and you're like, you don't make any noise.

01:29:55.000 Maybe.

01:29:56.000 Or maybe your body's just panicking because of so much pressure.

01:30:01.000 So much adrenaline, so much freaking out.

01:30:03.000 Your body doesn't know what you do.

01:30:06.000 Your body tenses up.

01:30:08.000 Yeah, that's the thing about fighting, right?

01:30:10.000 Where guys, when they're swinging in big exchanges, they don't breathe.

01:30:16.000 And they get tired.

01:30:17.000 Right, yeah.

01:30:18.000 Like, you know, I don't know.

01:30:20.000 You have those coaches that are like, okay guys, breathe.

01:30:22.000 I don't want my coach telling me to breathe in the corner.

01:30:24.000 No?

01:30:24.000 I'm like, I know how to breathe, bro.

01:30:26.000 Tell me what I need to hear.

01:30:28.000 Right.

01:30:29.000 Well, does that drive you crazy when you hear corners that don't give good advice?

01:30:32.000 Go out and finish them.

01:30:33.000 Yeah.

01:30:33.000 What does that mean?

01:30:34.000 Oh, thanks.

01:30:34.000 Get up, man.

01:30:35.000 Get up.

01:30:35.000 No shit.

01:30:36.000 Go out there and kick his ass.

01:30:38.000 That's why I was lucky to have guys that paid attention to detail, like Mark and Ricardo, man.

01:30:42.000 Those guys are top-notch.

01:30:45.000 Technical.

01:30:46.000 Yeah, technical.

01:30:47.000 They're not giving you that...

01:30:47.000 You know, sometimes you do.

01:30:49.000 You need to...

01:30:49.000 Like, sometimes some guys...

01:30:50.000 I think Mark got some flack for the Marlon fight where he was in the corner.

01:30:53.000 He was like, your mother raised you, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:30:55.000 You know, and someone's like, why is he talking about his mom?

01:30:57.000 It's like, because he knew he didn't need technique.

01:30:59.000 He needed some motivation at that point.

01:31:01.000 Was Marlon too big?

01:31:03.000 Did he lose too much weight to get down to 35?

01:31:05.000 And was he depleted?

01:31:06.000 Or was it Cejudo just steamrolled him?

01:31:09.000 I just think the moment.

01:31:10.000 I think Marlon hit him with some good shots.

01:31:13.000 He hit him with some good shots.

01:31:15.000 Head kick, the right hand.

01:31:16.000 And I think the fact that Sudo just took it and kept coming forward, I think kind of just demoralized Marlon a little bit.

01:31:24.000 In my eyes.

01:31:25.000 In my eyes, Cejudo was not going to be able to take much more to the legs.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, no way.

01:31:31.000 For sure, in that first round, I'm like, this fight's not going the distance.

01:31:34.000 Yeah.

01:31:34.000 I thought Marlon was going to keep chopping at the legs, but Marlon let Cejudo close the distance.

01:31:39.000 And once he let Cejudo close the distance and get a hold of him, started hitting him with knees, and I was like, oh, Jesus Christ.

01:31:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:45.000 And even like, I mean...

01:31:48.000 Marlon was in that tie clinch too.

01:31:49.000 I'm like, dude, Marlon knows how to deal with a tie clinch.

01:31:52.000 And he just wasn't even reacting to it.

01:31:54.000 He was kind of letting him hit him with the knees, I felt like.

01:31:56.000 Almost.

01:31:56.000 I felt like he was just depleted.

01:32:00.000 It seemed like he didn't have the energy to fight the kind of fight that Cejudo was willing to fight.

01:32:04.000 Especially Cejudo at 35, right?

01:32:06.000 Cejudo at 25, he's draining himself a little bit.

01:32:09.000 But Cejudo at 35 was much healthier.

01:32:12.000 Yeah.

01:32:12.000 And this fucking guy's just tough as shit, man.

01:32:14.000 He has a winner's mind.

01:32:15.000 Finds a way.

01:32:16.000 He's got a winner's mind.

01:32:18.000 Yeah.

01:32:18.000 You know?

01:32:19.000 And the videos that he makes are pretty ridiculous.

01:32:23.000 Super ridiculous.

01:32:23.000 Triple C. Come on.

01:32:25.000 Bend the knee.

01:32:26.000 I mean, I guess that's...

01:32:27.000 You know, everyone's got to have a shtick now, you know?

01:32:29.000 I guess they do because it keeps them out there.

01:32:32.000 It's just...

01:32:33.000 It's weird because this sport is part of that.

01:32:36.000 It's part promotion, but it's also performance.

01:32:42.000 Guys like Conor are the perfect blend.

01:32:44.000 He's just him himself.

01:32:47.000 But Conor's entertaining.

01:32:49.000 It's funny.

01:32:50.000 Some of these other guys, man, it's just so forced.

01:32:53.000 It's rough.

01:32:54.000 But look, like Colby Covington.

01:32:55.000 Colby Covington, shit talked his way to a goddamn title shot.

01:32:59.000 He really did.

01:33:00.000 And then fought his ass off.

01:33:01.000 But he's also very good.

01:33:03.000 Very good.

01:33:03.000 I mean, you can't not be good and talk yourself into it.

01:33:06.000 But the UFC was willing to...

01:33:06.000 They wanted to cut him before he fought in Brazil.

01:33:09.000 Do you know that?

01:33:09.000 Yeah, I heard the story.

01:33:10.000 That was the last fight on his contract.

01:33:11.000 He's going over there to fight Damian Maia, and he just talked mad shit.

01:33:16.000 He said, I'm going to...

01:33:16.000 Kept him on board.

01:33:17.000 Kept him.

01:33:17.000 He's like, yeah.

01:33:19.000 That's what did it.

01:33:21.000 I mean, that's literally what did it.

01:33:22.000 And then that character just took off.

01:33:24.000 If you go and look at the early versions of that character, he had nice suits.

01:33:28.000 He had a real crisp suit like Connor would wear.

01:33:31.000 But then later, he's got these terrible, cheap suits.

01:33:35.000 It's like it's part of the fun of it.

01:33:37.000 He's wearing bullshit suits and a MAGA hat.

01:33:39.000 He's playing to a character.

01:33:40.000 Fuck, man.

01:33:41.000 He fucking figured it out.

01:33:43.000 Well, how about Conor?

01:33:44.000 He's kind of made a little 180-type flip on his personality.

01:33:47.000 He's still funny, he's still mouthy and stuff, but he's not being...

01:33:50.000 He seems like he's trying to clean his image up a little bit.

01:33:52.000 You think with Cowboy, you think that's it?

01:33:54.000 Maybe with Cowboy, Cowboy's kind of easy to get along with and whatnot.

01:33:57.000 Or maybe it's just that he's been dealing with so much, you know...

01:34:02.000 With the Khabib fight and all that stuff.

01:34:04.000 Well, Khabib and hitting the old guy and the shit that he's dealing with over there.

01:34:08.000 He's got that proper 12. He's got a total line a little bit.

01:34:13.000 Yes, right?

01:34:14.000 I mean, you've got to think proper 12 is an enormous amount of money for him.

01:34:18.000 I mean, he's making shit tons of money.

01:34:20.000 I was in Vegas.

01:34:21.000 Those billboards were everywhere.

01:34:23.000 On cars and shit.

01:34:24.000 He was sponsoring the Bellator cage, too.

01:34:27.000 Was he?

01:34:27.000 Yeah.

01:34:28.000 Good for him.

01:34:30.000 Yeah, I wonder.

01:34:32.000 But I also think, I don't think he felt like he needs psychological warfare with Cowboy.

01:34:37.000 I feel like he thought from the beginning that he had a giant advantage over Cowboy.

01:34:42.000 You know, like, if you go back to an old press conference or talking back and shit to each other, he's like, you're stiff as a board.

01:34:48.000 Right, right, yeah.

01:34:49.000 Fucking break in half.

01:34:51.000 Yeah.

01:34:52.000 I think he just felt like this fight, I could just be a nice guy with this guy.

01:34:56.000 Right.

01:34:57.000 But with Khabib, I think he felt like he had to fuck with him.

01:35:00.000 I felt like he felt that he had to get Khabib emotional the same way he got Aldo emotional.

01:35:05.000 But that shit didn't work.

01:35:07.000 Didn't work.

01:35:07.000 That motherfucker, he's a vault.

01:35:10.000 You look in his eyes, you just see nothing but doom.

01:35:12.000 Yeah, no.

01:35:15.000 It's just those people over there.

01:35:16.000 They call it the steppe, where they're from, right?

01:35:18.000 Is that the steppe?

01:35:20.000 Is that where it would be considered the steppe?

01:35:22.000 Well, Mongolia is the steppe, right?

01:35:23.000 Oh, okay.

01:35:24.000 Isn't it?

01:35:24.000 It's close to there, isn't it?

01:35:25.000 I don't know.

01:35:26.000 Is it?

01:35:27.000 It's a hard part of the world, though.

01:35:29.000 I know that.

01:35:30.000 Did you see when he won?

01:35:32.000 When they have a video of the streets?

01:35:34.000 The streets of Dagestan.

01:35:35.000 Everybody, lights on their cars, honking their horns, fucking screaming out the window.

01:35:39.000 Yeah!

01:35:39.000 Dude's shooting machine guns up here.

01:35:41.000 Yeah.

01:35:43.000 Yeah, he's a fucking terror, man.

01:35:46.000 And I am so interested in this fight, coming up with him and Tony Ferguson.

01:35:50.000 I am so interested in that fight.

01:35:52.000 That's a crazy fight.

01:35:54.000 Ooh, that fight is everything to me.

01:35:56.000 That fight, I don't know how Dana White is doing these press conferences talking about matching up Conor and Khabib.

01:36:04.000 I'm like, hey, hey, what about the boogeyman?

01:36:08.000 Because the boogeyman is right now a big bear, fucking doing kicks on trees and shit, and wing-chunk-dubbing rocks and stuff.

01:36:15.000 Doesn't he build his own gym, too?

01:36:17.000 Yes, he builds his own gym.

01:36:18.000 Eddie Bravo, you talk to him about it, because he does his camps, he helps him in his jiu-jitsu.

01:36:23.000 He talks him through it.

01:36:26.000 Eddie Bravo will talk you through it, rather.

01:36:28.000 He goes up there, he'll get a house up there, like rent a house, or he has a place, I don't know which one it is, but then he builds everything.

01:36:35.000 He builds the racks for the bags, he builds the fucking, he mats the rooms, he does everything himself.

01:36:40.000 He is a unique human being.

01:36:42.000 He is, yeah.

01:36:43.000 And you want to talk about cardio.

01:36:45.000 That guy is the freak of all freaks.

01:36:47.000 Because he never even seems a little tired.

01:36:49.000 Not at all.

01:36:49.000 And keeps coming forward.

01:36:51.000 Keeps coming forward.

01:36:52.000 Never seems even a little tired.

01:36:53.000 And everyone he fights looks like they got mauled by a leopard.

01:36:59.000 Everyone's face is hanging off.

01:37:01.000 Look at this shit that he does.

01:37:04.000 Headstands and stuff.

01:37:05.000 He's into breakdancing, right?

01:37:06.000 Yeah.

01:37:07.000 But he's always doing this kind of shit, like weird kind of exercise.

01:37:11.000 Look at this.

01:37:11.000 Just standing only on his head.

01:37:13.000 That's a good way to blow your discs out.

01:37:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:15.000 Want stenosis?

01:37:16.000 There you go.

01:37:17.000 That's how you get stenosis.

01:37:19.000 Oh, man.

01:37:19.000 Look at it.

01:37:20.000 Look at this shit he does.

01:37:22.000 But that's every kind of training.

01:37:24.000 No one's telling him what to do either.

01:37:27.000 No, he does on his own.

01:37:28.000 Guys who've gone to camp with him say, it's like, okay, today we're going to run hills.

01:37:31.000 He just decides what we're going to do.

01:37:34.000 He's a different dude.

01:37:36.000 Eddie told me that his cardio is fucking ridiculous.

01:37:39.000 They'll be doing these hill sprints, and he'll do these hill sprints with his other training partners, and he's lapping them.

01:37:45.000 He runs all the way up and all the way down, and then passes them as they're still up the first time.

01:37:49.000 He's a freak.

01:37:50.000 Yeah, that's an interesting fight.

01:37:52.000 It's a fucking great fight!

01:37:54.000 That's why I don't understand why Dana is not considering the fact that Tony Ferguson would win that fight.

01:38:02.000 You think he's implying that Khabib's already got this one?

01:38:05.000 They're talking about Khabib versus Conor.

01:38:07.000 Because look, that's the money.

01:38:09.000 From what I hear, Khabib won't fight him.

01:38:13.000 He said he'd fight him for $100 million.

01:38:15.000 That's what he said?

01:38:16.000 Then he's going to fight him.

01:38:20.000 I think his dad said that.

01:38:21.000 His dad said that he'll fight Conor for the same amount of money that Conor made fighting Floyd.

01:38:26.000 Wow.

01:38:27.000 But I don't know if you could get $100 million in the UFC. Do you think that fight Conor-Khabib will be big?

01:38:36.000 A big fight?

01:38:37.000 The problem is...

01:38:38.000 Because Dana's saying it's going to be as big as Khabib or Conor Floyd.

01:38:42.000 I don't know.

01:38:42.000 That was a pretty big fight.

01:38:44.000 Yeah.

01:38:45.000 Floyd brings a different thing to the table, right?

01:38:47.000 Floyd brings all the hardcore boxing fans.

01:38:50.000 And he's so polarizing.

01:38:52.000 Yeah.

01:38:52.000 And he's the best boxer of all time.

01:38:55.000 I mean, you stop and think about the amount of times that guy's been hit over a period of 50 fights.

01:39:00.000 It's insane.

01:39:00.000 His defensive skills and his ability to size up an opponent and figure out what the guy's doing and then start to break him down systematically.

01:39:07.000 Best there is.

01:39:08.000 He's the best.

01:39:09.000 He's, like, there's been guys that have been incredible, and they're, like, up in his level, you know, like, all-time great fighters, but in terms of not getting hit, I don't think anybody's been as good as Floyd.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

01:39:23.000 So, to have Conor...

01:39:25.000 Go in there and fight him, a guy who's never had a professional boxing match, but is fucking up everybody in MMA, and all these people think he has a chance, and there's all this hype behind it, all this craziness, and the fact that it was this sort of crossover fight, it had a lot of...

01:39:37.000 First time ever, really?

01:39:38.000 Yeah.

01:39:38.000 Well, James Toney, James Toney, Randy.

01:39:42.000 That was ridiculous, though.

01:39:43.000 I don't think James Toney even trained MMA for that fight.

01:39:46.000 No.

01:39:46.000 I was on that car.

01:39:47.000 That's my full BJ second time.

01:39:49.000 Oh, really?

01:39:49.000 Oh, that's right.

01:39:50.000 That's right.

01:39:51.000 Yeah, as soon as Randy ankle-picked him, I was like, oh, this is over.

01:39:55.000 You want that fucking animal on top of you?

01:39:57.000 Randy Couture in his prime.

01:39:59.000 Ooh!

01:40:00.000 Randy Couture.

01:40:01.000 Man, I looked up to Randy big time coming up.

01:40:04.000 What a great guy he is.

01:40:05.000 He is.

01:40:06.000 I still run into him nowadays.

01:40:07.000 He's a super solid guy.

01:40:08.000 He was so calm when he got into the cage.

01:40:10.000 It was so crazy.

01:40:12.000 I remember he was one of the first guys ever.

01:40:14.000 He's getting ready to fight.

01:40:16.000 They're ready to announce him.

01:40:17.000 He looks over at me and just winks and gives me a big smile.

01:40:19.000 I'm like, this guy all relaxed and shit, just saying hi to people.

01:40:23.000 He loved it.

01:40:24.000 Loved competing.

01:40:25.000 Loved being in there, man.

01:40:26.000 And didn't even start fighting until he was in his mid-30s.

01:40:28.000 Yeah.

01:40:29.000 And he was just wrestling.

01:40:30.000 Maybe that's why he was able to fight so long, too.

01:40:33.000 Yeah.

01:40:33.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:40:34.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:40:35.000 Yeah, it's...

01:40:37.000 It's kind of crazy when you think about his career, too.

01:40:40.000 Light heavyweight champ, heavyweight champ.

01:40:43.000 Came back and won it and beat Sylvia.

01:40:45.000 That was crazy.

01:40:46.000 When he dropped Sylvia with that right hand, I was like, what the fuck?

01:40:49.000 I was worried about him in that fight.

01:40:51.000 I was like, you think about guys like Chuck Liddell knocking him out.

01:40:54.000 What is Tim Sylvia going to do?

01:40:55.000 He's a big dude, man.

01:40:56.000 He's enormous.

01:40:58.000 And Tim Sylvia, back when there was no testing, when Tim Sylvia fought Rico Rodriguez, people forget.

01:41:05.000 Tim Sylvia was not like this doughy guy back then.

01:41:09.000 Do you remember that fight when he fought Rico?

01:41:11.000 Yeah.

01:41:12.000 That's scary, Tim Sylvia.

01:41:14.000 He had a back like a fucking brick wall.

01:41:17.000 He was huge, and he had to cut weight to make 265. I remember he had to come back to the scale.

01:41:22.000 He missed it the first time.

01:41:23.000 That was back in the old days.

01:41:25.000 Yeah.

01:41:26.000 A funny story, Rico.

01:41:28.000 When I was wrestling in my junior, senior year of high school, so it was like 98, 99, our manager on the team said her brother fought in UFC. I'm like, this is when, you know, UFC wasn't as popular.

01:41:41.000 I'm like, get out of here.

01:41:42.000 You probably never fought in UFC. And it was Rico Rodriguez.

01:41:45.000 It was her stepbrother.

01:41:46.000 And I ran into him one day.

01:41:47.000 He's like, I used to date my sister back in the day.

01:41:49.000 I'm like, a little bit.

01:41:50.000 Yeah.

01:41:52.000 Rico Rodriguez was a bad motherfucker.

01:41:54.000 Hell yeah.

01:41:54.000 He was one of the first real high-level jiu-jitsu guys in the heavyweight division.

01:41:57.000 He's still around Jersey.

01:41:58.000 He's still around Jersey a little bit.

01:41:59.000 What's he doing these days?

01:42:00.000 He was coaching, you know, Jamal Patterson.

01:42:02.000 He's one of the hands of those black belts.

01:42:03.000 He was coaching at his place, yeah.

01:42:04.000 Oh, no shit.

01:42:05.000 Coaching wrestling?

01:42:07.000 Jiu-jitsu, I think.

01:42:08.000 Yeah.

01:42:09.000 Yeah, Rico was a beast, man.

01:42:11.000 And, you know, that guy fought a giant chunk of his career with a blown-out ACL. Oh, really?

01:42:15.000 He had no ACL. He just, like, rehabbed his knees, or rehabbed his legs, like, built up his muscles.

01:42:20.000 Just got him strong and just dealt with it.

01:42:22.000 Yeah, like, I think they say your hamstring is, like, a big part of it, like, if you strengthen your hamstring up, but most people can't do it.

01:42:29.000 Like, most people, when the ACL's blown out, like, they can't compete.

01:42:34.000 Right, yeah.

01:42:35.000 But Rico could.

01:42:37.000 That's wild.

01:42:38.000 Supposedly, Dos Anjos has a blown out ACL. Oh, does he?

01:42:42.000 Yeah, supposedly.

01:42:43.000 He's been fighting with it?

01:42:44.000 Yeah.

01:42:45.000 Yeah.

01:42:45.000 That's what I heard.

01:42:46.000 I need to talk to him.

01:42:47.000 Yeah.

01:42:47.000 Find out if that's a fact.

01:42:48.000 My knee's always been...

01:42:50.000 Always been good.

01:42:51.000 Thank God.

01:42:52.000 Never had knee problems.

01:42:53.000 None?

01:42:53.000 I mean, I've had LCL tears, MCL tears, but never surgery or anything.

01:42:57.000 No meniscus surgery?

01:42:58.000 Nothing?

01:42:59.000 No.

01:42:59.000 Wow.

01:43:00.000 That's rare.

01:43:02.000 Everybody's knees are fucked up after a while.

01:43:04.000 Especially a wrestler.

01:43:05.000 I never wore knee pads in my life either.

01:43:06.000 Really?

01:43:07.000 I wonder if that's why.

01:43:09.000 No.

01:43:09.000 No, it can't be.

01:43:11.000 But, you know, Bisping just got his knee completely replaced.

01:43:15.000 That was scary.

01:43:16.000 I was like, God damn, he's only like 41. Yeah, man.

01:43:18.000 And don't they only last 10 years?

01:43:20.000 Yep.

01:43:21.000 I think so.

01:43:21.000 I would have tried the stem cells first, I think.

01:43:23.000 Or is it maybe just past the point of that?

01:43:26.000 I don't know.

01:43:27.000 I mean, they wanted to do that to my mom.

01:43:30.000 They wanted to get my mom a knee replacement, but I sent her down to Panama.

01:43:34.000 And she's fine now.

01:43:35.000 Yeah?

01:43:35.000 Wow.

01:43:36.000 Dude, crazy.

01:43:37.000 It took eight months.

01:43:38.000 I was really worried that it wasn't working because I talked to her afterwards and I talked to her up to like six months.

01:43:44.000 She wasn't feeling anything different.

01:43:46.000 And then she started to feel better.

01:43:48.000 And then like eight months later, the pain went away.

01:43:50.000 It was gone.

01:43:51.000 That's amazing.

01:43:52.000 Yeah.

01:43:52.000 And then I sent her back again.

01:43:53.000 And then the second round, she's doing...

01:43:55.000 But here's what's weird.

01:43:57.000 When I saw her for Christmas, she looked younger.

01:44:01.000 Really?

01:44:01.000 Yeah, I was like, you look great.

01:44:03.000 Did they just inject the stem cells in the knee?

01:44:06.000 They put them in both knees and they also did IV. And they do it for three days.

01:44:10.000 So you just get barraged down there.

01:44:13.000 They just fill you up.

01:44:14.000 And then you walk out of there like...

01:44:17.000 I wonder if that stuff helps Lyme disease.

01:44:20.000 I bet it would, yeah.

01:44:21.000 They say it has to go through the brain barrier or something, right?

01:44:24.000 I don't know.

01:44:25.000 The blood-brain barrier?

01:44:26.000 Yeah.

01:44:27.000 Well, I mean, they inject these stem cells intravenously.

01:44:31.000 You'd have to talk to Dr. Reardon.

01:44:33.000 He'd probably be able to explain it.

01:44:35.000 But I mean, I think anything that boosts your immune system and helps your overall body, and the idea of doing it intravenously is that your body knows where to utilize it.

01:44:44.000 Your body knows areas that are troubled.

01:44:47.000 It's weird that your body has some strange innate intelligence that knows where the injuries are.

01:44:54.000 Like, how is that working?

01:44:55.000 It knows what's wrong with your brain.

01:44:57.000 Like, how's that working?

01:44:58.000 Yeah, that's wild.

01:44:59.000 Like, yeah, what is it doing?

01:45:01.000 It attracts, like I said, it attracts it, right?

01:45:03.000 It attracts to where it needs to be.

01:45:04.000 Yeah.

01:45:05.000 I'm really excited about the future of that shit because I think, you know, I talked to Dr. Jeff Davidson from the UFC and he just got back from, you know Dr. Jeff.

01:45:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:13.000 He's an awesome guy.

01:45:14.000 He's great.

01:45:14.000 He's the one who got me into stem cells in the first place.

01:45:16.000 Yeah, he's the one who hooked me up with the one on my shoulder.

01:45:19.000 Me too.

01:45:19.000 Did you do Dr. Roddy McGee?

01:45:21.000 No, I actually did do Roddy McGee way back.

01:45:24.000 The first time I had stem cells was in my groin.

01:45:28.000 Hey!

01:45:29.000 Did you have a torn muscle?

01:45:32.000 I had a sports hernia.

01:45:34.000 Oh, wow.

01:45:35.000 I had the same surgery Usman had.

01:45:38.000 Oh, really?

01:45:38.000 Yeah.

01:45:39.000 Damn.

01:45:40.000 We went to the same guy too.

01:45:42.000 This guy, Dr. Myers.

01:45:43.000 He actually invented the surgery.

01:45:45.000 If you call it a sports hernia, he gets mad at you.

01:45:47.000 Because it's not a sports hernia.

01:45:48.000 It's a core muscle injury.

01:45:50.000 Well, what is it?

01:45:51.000 How does it work?

01:45:52.000 I think they cut the tendons in my thighs and also in my abs.

01:45:59.000 Cut them...

01:45:59.000 Completely off and then resold them together.

01:46:01.000 Whoa!

01:46:02.000 It was painful.

01:46:04.000 For one week, super painful.

01:46:06.000 Maybe two weeks, super painful.

01:46:07.000 But literally six weeks later, I was kicking a heavy bang.

01:46:10.000 Really?

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:11.000 It was amazing.

01:46:12.000 You do physical therapy the day you get out.

01:46:15.000 The next day, I'm at physical therapy.

01:46:18.000 Wow.

01:46:18.000 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 And it was bad.

01:46:20.000 I probably was dealing with it for like two years.

01:46:24.000 It would come and go.

01:46:25.000 I would get flamed up where I couldn't even cough down there.

01:46:30.000 I remember the one time I went to finally get checked out and get the MRI. I went to the doctor by myself, drove up to the city and came home.

01:46:38.000 I didn't eat anything because I had to park my car and walk to the damn doctor and was like, you know, a couple blocks in the city.

01:46:44.000 It took me forever to walk anywhere, so I didn't even stop and eat.

01:46:46.000 I come home, I park my car, and I call my wife.

01:46:49.000 I'm like, you've got to help me get out of the car.

01:46:51.000 I can't get out of the car.

01:46:52.000 I get out of the car, I'm walking, and I literally passed out while I was walking.

01:46:56.000 She caught me.

01:46:57.000 I had to crawl into my house.

01:46:59.000 Holy shit!

01:47:01.000 I was like, damn.

01:47:02.000 I got that surgery and it was probably the best surgery I've had.

01:47:06.000 That's crazy that it was that bad.

01:47:08.000 So painful.

01:47:10.000 That's probably because I didn't eat.

01:47:11.000 That's why I passed out and all that stuff too.

01:47:13.000 Yeah, that was rough.

01:47:15.000 When I hear about a guy like you passing out, I'm like, okay.

01:47:18.000 This is a motherfucker that stays awake.

01:47:20.000 I've never passed out in my life.

01:47:21.000 I've never passed out in my life.

01:47:22.000 That was the first time.

01:47:23.000 So they detached the tendons or the ligaments?

01:47:27.000 Is it tendons?

01:47:28.000 It must be tendons.

01:47:29.000 It must be tendons.

01:47:30.000 They cut the ones here up my thigh.

01:47:33.000 It connects on three points by your leg.

01:47:37.000 So what was wrong?

01:47:38.000 It was tearing.

01:47:39.000 It was pulling.

01:47:41.000 Each side was pulling the other side.

01:47:42.000 So I was getting tears everywhere.

01:47:44.000 And so when they do that, they cinch it down again?

01:47:48.000 How's it better six weeks later?

01:47:51.000 The next day, I go there and I start doing the foot exercises.

01:47:55.000 They put the bands on.

01:47:56.000 I'm doing all that stuff.

01:47:57.000 I guess it just strengthens up.

01:47:59.000 Wow.

01:48:01.000 But it's crazy that six weeks later, that's not a lot of healing.

01:48:05.000 Yeah, six weeks later.

01:48:06.000 And he told you you'd be good to go six weeks later?

01:48:08.000 Yeah.

01:48:09.000 So how quickly after that could you have fought?

01:48:12.000 I'm trying to think.

01:48:15.000 I fought that in May.

01:48:16.000 I got surgery in January.

01:48:18.000 I fought that May.

01:48:18.000 The first time Usman came in here, he had a bag on his waist that was draining pus.

01:48:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:25.000 He had both sides.

01:48:27.000 I only had one side, I think.

01:48:28.000 Oh.

01:48:29.000 Yeah, I was like, what the fuck is that?

01:48:31.000 He took him a long time to recover after the...

01:48:35.000 Dude, my downstairs was all jacked up.

01:48:38.000 My balls were so fucking big.

01:48:40.000 Really?

01:48:41.000 Oh my god, huge.

01:48:42.000 They'd swell up?

01:48:42.000 Huge.

01:48:43.000 Did you take pictures?

01:48:43.000 Of course.

01:48:47.000 Yeah, you'd have to, right?

01:48:49.000 Like, when are your balls ever going to look like that again?

01:48:52.000 There's a hockey player, Sidney Crosby, remember I told you?

01:48:55.000 He recently got this surgery, and Odell Beckham, a popular NFL receiver, just got this last week by a doctor in Philadelphia.

01:49:02.000 Yeah, Dr. Myers.

01:49:04.000 That's the guy I went to.

01:49:05.000 Yeah, he does everybody.

01:49:06.000 Imagine one dude specializing in one.

01:49:08.000 The guy's not even like a surgeon, I think.

01:49:10.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:49:11.000 What?

01:49:12.000 He's not a surgeon for orthopedics.

01:49:16.000 He's not an orthopedic doctor.

01:49:17.000 He created this surgery, though.

01:49:20.000 That must be a surgeon.

01:49:21.000 Athletic Pobalgia?

01:49:22.000 Does that sound right?

01:49:23.000 Say it again.

01:49:25.000 Athletic Pobalgia?

01:49:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:29.000 I don't know the word.

01:49:30.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:49:32.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:49:33.000 Pobalgia.

01:49:34.000 Why do you say it?

01:49:35.000 I don't know how to...

01:49:35.000 When they invent a name, why invent that name?

01:49:38.000 Right, right.

01:49:39.000 Why Pobalgia?

01:49:40.000 Pobalgia.

01:49:41.000 What does it mean?

01:49:43.000 What does pubalgia mean?

01:49:44.000 Groin disruption.

01:49:45.000 Ah!

01:49:47.000 Also known as groin disruption.

01:49:49.000 Sportsman's hernia.

01:49:50.000 But he told me it's not a sports hernia.

01:49:52.000 Persistent groin pain during exercise when there's no evidence of clinically detectable hernia.

01:49:57.000 Athletic pubalgia is not a true hernia, but it's considered an overuse injury in which the external oblique muscles and surrounding tendons and or traverse abdominis I think?

01:50:27.000 Polypropylene or polyester mesh is suggested to correct the identified abnormality.

01:50:34.000 However, there's no data from randomized studies to confirm effectiveness of this surgery.

01:50:38.000 Well, why don't you talk to Frankie motherfucking Edgar, Wikipedia, or whoever that is that you're getting that thing off of.

01:50:45.000 It's funny that some doctors just figure something out.

01:50:48.000 Yeah, he's killing it too.

01:50:49.000 I don't know, a bunch of athletes, but there's a bunch of famous athletes that went through that guy.

01:50:54.000 It's crazy that I didn't know that that was a persistent injury and then all these guys have it.

01:50:58.000 I've never even heard of that before.

01:51:00.000 Yeah, I didn't know what it was until it happened.

01:51:03.000 Again, that's probably one of those things of being too tough for your own good, right?

01:51:06.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:51:07.000 I just kept pushing through.

01:51:11.000 Before I thought that, I got an epidural in there.

01:51:13.000 That was crazy.

01:51:15.000 Literally, they go through, probably by my pubes, and they go that way.

01:51:20.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:51:21.000 The needle was like six inches long.

01:51:23.000 Ah!

01:51:27.000 I'm in the doctor's office.

01:51:29.000 My junk's practically out, you know?

01:51:31.000 And he's putting this thing in.

01:51:32.000 I'm like, alright.

01:51:33.000 And also, he puts the medicine in.

01:51:35.000 When he put the medicine in, that's when it flared up.

01:51:38.000 I'm screaming, fuck, take it out, take it out.

01:51:40.000 He's like, hang on, hang on.

01:51:43.000 That only lasted for like a couple months, and then it came back.

01:51:45.000 Oh, so epidural just kind of numbs it, right?

01:51:48.000 Yeah.

01:51:48.000 Isn't that what it does?

01:51:48.000 I've had several in my back.

01:51:50.000 Have you?

01:51:51.000 Yeah.

01:51:51.000 I had back surgery when I was 18, actually.

01:51:53.000 You did?

01:51:54.000 Yeah.

01:51:54.000 What kind?

01:51:55.000 Distectomy.

01:51:55.000 Oh, so a little bit of a meniscus or a little bit of the disc?

01:51:58.000 A bulge disc, yeah.

01:51:59.000 Yeah, they cut it out.

01:52:00.000 But it worked pretty good.

01:52:01.000 It does work good, but there's ways around that for certain injuries.

01:52:05.000 For 18, I probably shouldn't have.

01:52:06.000 I was an 18-year-old.

01:52:07.000 No way I should have got that.

01:52:07.000 A lot of people did.

01:52:08.000 I had it in my neck, and they were talking about me doing that, but virginikine cured it.

01:52:13.000 Yeah.

01:52:13.000 They were talking about doing it.

01:52:14.000 Like, I went to one doctor and he was like, you're probably going to have to get the disc trimmed.

01:52:18.000 That was eight years ago.

01:52:19.000 And you're good to go.

01:52:20.000 Yeah, what is it?

01:52:21.000 Nah, maybe.

01:52:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:24.000 At least, at least, let's say at least five years ago, six years ago.

01:52:27.000 I have no pain in my neck now.

01:52:29.000 You know another thing though?

01:52:30.000 The iron neck.

01:52:31.000 I fucking love that thing.

01:52:33.000 Yeah, that's what I've been seeing.

01:52:33.000 I see people using that.

01:52:35.000 I got it right on here.

01:52:35.000 You want to try it?

01:52:36.000 Yeah, definitely try it.

01:52:37.000 Dude, it's the shit.

01:52:39.000 It's the shit.

01:52:40.000 You put that thing, it is the single best thing I've ever used for developing neck muscles.

01:52:44.000 And for jiu-jitsu and wrestling, it's fantastic too because it's attached to a bungee cord, right?

01:52:49.000 Right.

01:52:49.000 So the bungee cord is a 50 pound cord and you put this halo on and then you pump it up like a Reebok pump.

01:52:55.000 You know, remember those old pumps?

01:52:56.000 You pump it up and it gets tight to your head and then you can control the amount of resistance when you turn, right?

01:53:03.000 Because it's actually got resistance when you turn.

01:53:06.000 So you pull back, so your neck is holding this 50 pound cord back this way and then you're doing this.

01:53:13.000 I don't know.

01:53:14.000 I've seen someone had that attached to, like, you know, gym equipment.

01:53:21.000 Yes.

01:53:22.000 And then they're shadowboxing.

01:53:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:23.000 Well, the idea is it's like your neck is constantly resisting this.

01:53:26.000 So, like, when dudes are trying to snap you down or pull your neck down or you're trying to posture out of triangles and shit.

01:53:31.000 Right.

01:53:32.000 Like, when do you ever work out your neck in that way?

01:53:34.000 Yeah.

01:53:35.000 And most people, when they work out their neck, they put one of them harnesses on, which is...

01:53:38.000 You know, it does something.

01:53:39.000 But a lot of doctors will tell you that that's not a normal action for your neck to be lifting weights with.

01:53:45.000 And you could do some damage to your...

01:53:47.000 I don't know if they're right or right.

01:53:49.000 I don't know.

01:53:50.000 But I know the iron neck, you don't have to do any of that shit.

01:53:53.000 So it's basically just the muscles in your neck.

01:53:56.000 And you're not making your neck hold weight at a weird angle.

01:54:00.000 Like this way or that way.

01:54:02.000 It's just straight.

01:54:03.000 Your neck is always straight and it's turning.

01:54:06.000 It's just the muscles are getting exercised and everything gets stronger.

01:54:10.000 I know Cory's into it.

01:54:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:12.000 Cory Anderson, he loves that thing.

01:54:15.000 I was just wondering if it's good if you're, you know, if your neck is bad.

01:54:20.000 Well, according to them, they've had people that had neck injuries, they rehabilitated it with that because it strengthens all the areas.

01:54:27.000 So, like, say if this is just me talking.

01:54:29.000 But if you have an area where you have an injury and it keeps getting hurt, if you strengthen all that area around that, it's not going to be as mobile.

01:54:37.000 You're going to have more control and it's probably going to protect it more.

01:54:41.000 That just makes sense to me.

01:54:43.000 But I'm a big fan of that product.

01:54:45.000 That was a football player that figured that out.

01:54:49.000 What was the gentleman's name?

01:54:50.000 The guy who came and he gave me a bunch of demonstrations and shit.

01:54:55.000 But it's great for football players as well.

01:54:58.000 And his idea was that it was also going to help prolong people's careers because it'll prevent more concussions because you're not going to get your head snapped as easy.

01:55:07.000 You're going to be able to withstand much more impact.

01:55:12.000 It's so interesting that all these people that are involved in athletic equipment, they figure these things out.

01:55:19.000 How do we strengthen the core better?

01:55:22.000 How do we strengthen the neck better?

01:55:23.000 How do we do this?

01:55:24.000 How do we do that?

01:55:25.000 Glad there's people smarter than me out there.

01:55:27.000 I know.

01:55:28.000 Well, you can't be on top of everything.

01:55:31.000 Mike Jolly.

01:55:32.000 Say his last name again?

01:55:33.000 Jolly.

01:55:34.000 Mike Jolly.

01:55:35.000 That didn't sound like you said that the first time.

01:55:37.000 Yeah, my voice swallowed it, I think.

01:55:40.000 Oh, okay.

01:55:41.000 Yeah.

01:55:41.000 Anyway, Mike explained the whole thing.

01:55:43.000 It's a very impressive piece of equipment.

01:55:45.000 I love it.

01:55:46.000 Yeah.

01:55:46.000 I mean, all that stuff.

01:55:48.000 You had the reverse hyper, too.

01:55:49.000 I got that.

01:55:50.000 Oh, love that.

01:55:50.000 That's great, yeah.

01:55:51.000 That thing's the shit.

01:55:52.000 Yeah.

01:55:53.000 I want to get a belt squat.

01:55:54.000 Have you ever heard of a belt squat?

01:55:55.000 We don't have one, but we saw that when we were there.

01:55:58.000 They offered it to us, the Westside barbell.

01:56:01.000 Come down and put it in here.

01:56:02.000 We'll probably get it done.

01:56:03.000 You put a lot of load on your body without having to load your back.

01:56:06.000 Yeah, without fucking your back up.

01:56:09.000 Yeah, and guys do shadowboxing and shit with that on, too.

01:56:11.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

01:56:12.000 That's probably really good for your legs.

01:56:14.000 I think that would really increase your ability to punch and to push off of stuff.

01:56:17.000 Do you ever use the...

01:56:18.000 It's like a wheel.

01:56:19.000 I forgot what it was.

01:56:20.000 It used like centrifugal force.

01:56:22.000 You pull up on it, it makes it...

01:56:23.000 Ah, shit.

01:56:24.000 A wheel.

01:56:25.000 It's like a wheel, and it wraps around.

01:56:27.000 So you can do lifts, and the quicker you go up, the faster it pulls you down.

01:56:32.000 Hmm.

01:56:32.000 I feel like they had that too.

01:56:34.000 Didn't they have that at Westside Barbell?

01:56:36.000 He's got all kinds of crazy shit down there.

01:56:38.000 That guy, Louie Simmons, he's a mad genius psychopath.

01:56:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:43.000 I've watched some of his stuff.

01:56:44.000 He seems pretty nuts.

01:56:46.000 He's nuts.

01:56:47.000 And having him show me all of his stuff, we did a podcast with him.

01:56:53.000 Right, right.

01:56:53.000 I remember.

01:56:54.000 I listened to it, yeah.

01:56:55.000 It was pretty cool.

01:56:55.000 You were here at his place.

01:56:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:57.000 Sitting across from him at his desk.

01:56:59.000 He told me that he got his shoulder replaced, and then the day he got back to the gym, they made him max out bench press.

01:57:05.000 I was like, what the fuck, man?

01:57:07.000 They told me to do it.

01:57:08.000 I had to do it.

01:57:10.000 I think he's crazy.

01:57:11.000 He's talking.

01:57:12.000 Steroids ain't bad for you.

01:57:13.000 I've been on steroids since the 60s.

01:57:15.000 Holy shit.

01:57:16.000 Yeah, they never get off.

01:57:17.000 That's the thing.

01:57:17.000 Yeah, you can't, right?

01:57:18.000 You can't, yeah.

01:57:19.000 No.

01:57:20.000 But, I mean, everything's on him.

01:57:22.000 Who was telling us this?

01:57:23.000 Was it Rob Kearney was telling us this?

01:57:26.000 That he had his bicep replaced, his bicep tendon, because his bicep tendon blew out, and so he had his arm in a sling, and he lasted like a week, and he got tired of it and just straightened his arm out and popped it off so he could lift again.

01:57:40.000 What?

01:57:40.000 So both of his biceps are...

01:57:42.000 Oh, there's me.

01:57:43.000 Oh, there's the bell squat, yeah.

01:57:44.000 My stupid fucking paperboy hat.

01:57:49.000 That's a cool machine, man.

01:57:51.000 Yeah.

01:57:51.000 Very cool.

01:57:52.000 And there's Louie.

01:57:55.000 Yeah, he's got, I mean, everything.

01:57:57.000 What is that thing?

01:57:58.000 Different, too.

01:57:59.000 Yeah.

01:58:00.000 What does that thing do?

01:58:01.000 I don't remember.

01:58:02.000 It's more for football players, I guess, but he was showing it.

01:58:04.000 It's a belt squat, I think.

01:58:05.000 Oh, no, it's like a thing you hit.

01:58:07.000 I think you have to have the thing.

01:58:09.000 Oh, the belt on?

01:58:10.000 Yeah.

01:58:10.000 Oh, okay.

01:58:11.000 So you put the belt squat on and then you hit that thing.

01:58:13.000 Right.

01:58:14.000 Yeah.

01:58:15.000 Well, those guys, man, that Westside barbell, a bunch of fucking animals down there.

01:58:19.000 Yeah, he's like, the train's like the world's strongest people, right?

01:58:22.000 Yeah.

01:58:22.000 Pretty much.

01:58:23.000 Yeah, there was a bunch of freaks like that dude who was in there working out while we were there.

01:58:27.000 Super strong human beings.

01:58:30.000 Yeah, again, I'm happy there's people out there that are smart who can figure those things out.

01:58:34.000 Like, Louie Simmons invented that reverse hyper because they told him that he needed to get his disc fused.

01:58:39.000 Right, yeah.

01:58:40.000 And he's like, oh, do I really?

01:58:42.000 Hold my beer.

01:58:44.000 Yeah, he figured out, like, the best way to decompress your lower back and to strengthen that area.

01:58:50.000 That machine is great.

01:58:52.000 Sometimes I feel like I wait until my back hurts to use it.

01:58:55.000 Right.

01:58:56.000 Me too.

01:58:57.000 I try to do it twice a week.

01:58:59.000 I try to get in here twice a week and just do a few sets on that.

01:59:01.000 Yeah, I got to make it a little more consistent with that.

01:59:04.000 Yeah, because it strengthens your lower back in a real weird way that's hard to reach any other way.

01:59:08.000 It is.

01:59:09.000 And I like how it gives you the traction, too.

01:59:11.000 Yes.

01:59:11.000 The, like...

01:59:12.000 Yeah, it gives you traction, but it gives you, like, what do they call it?

01:59:15.000 Active traction.

01:59:16.000 Right.

01:59:17.000 So it's, like, decompressing.

01:59:18.000 Active decompression.

01:59:19.000 Yeah, it's awesome, man.

01:59:20.000 I love it.

01:59:21.000 I love those teeter things, too.

01:59:23.000 Hang by your ankles.

01:59:24.000 Like, anything to give your back...

01:59:25.000 Inversion tape.

01:59:26.000 Yeah, one of them, too.

01:59:28.000 I got the inverted table, which is great where you hang by your ankles, but then I got another one.

01:59:32.000 What's the other one called?

01:59:32.000 The Dex?

01:59:33.000 The Dex, that's my favorite, where you hang by your waist.

01:59:36.000 It's just from your waist.

01:59:38.000 I feel like when you hang by your ankles, it's great, but it's like the weight is going from your ankles and your knees and your hips.

01:59:46.000 By the time you get to your back, how much compression you're getting.

01:59:49.000 It definitely does something, but I think the Dex really targets the lower back.

01:59:53.000 Amazing.

01:59:54.000 I see the people that have the ones that lay down, and then they attach that on and it pulls them apart.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, I haven't done that one.

01:59:59.000 That's the Dex.

01:59:59.000 The Dex decompression one.

02:00:01.000 I fucking love that thing.

02:00:02.000 So you grab ahold of those handles, and then you let go, and then you just drop down, and it's all the weight is decompressing in your lower back.

02:00:11.000 And then you could do the...

02:00:13.000 Yeah, you could do back extensions on it.

02:00:16.000 Yeah, I think that's what they're called.

02:00:17.000 Yeah, you could do those on it too.

02:00:19.000 I mean, you could definitely get a workout on it if you wanted to, but for me, I use that after I'm done working out.

02:00:24.000 I feel like if I'm real consistent with that, with that and the inversion deck and the reverse hyper, I keep my back healthy.

02:00:32.000 Yeah, I go to a therapist, get stretched out like once or twice a week, and I do ART, active release therapy.

02:00:40.000 Oh yeah, that's great.

02:00:41.000 Now, when you, like, when you see, like, there's different schools of thought when it comes to strength and conditioning.

02:00:47.000 And the more radical school of thought was the Marv Berinovich sort of school of thought, which you see Nick Curzon does with, who's doing with Rafael dos Anjos and a lot of guys, where you concentrate almost entirely on strength and conditioning.

02:01:04.000 And the idea is, like, you already know how to fight.

02:01:07.000 Like, you know how to fight, and the real thing that fucks with guys when they're fighting is their conditioning.

02:01:11.000 And so they're putting these guys through these radical plyometric and explosive exercises, and then just, like, push, and that comes first.

02:01:20.000 That is more important than anything.

02:01:21.000 And that's when BJ was at his best.

02:01:23.000 If you go back to, like, BJ when he fought Sean Shirk, BJ when he fought Diego Sanchez, he was training with Marv.

02:01:30.000 Yeah, I think I'm on the opposite side of that.

02:01:33.000 I mean, condition's never been an issue for me.

02:01:35.000 Maybe that's why I have this take.

02:01:37.000 I feel like I want to feel good on sparring days.

02:01:39.000 Those are the most important days I need to feel good.

02:01:42.000 So I feel like sometimes you wear yourself out of strength and condition and you come to spar the next day, you're not going to have a good performance that day.

02:01:51.000 Yeah, I could see both ways of thinking about it.

02:01:54.000 I could see both.

02:01:54.000 I think there are probably some guys that maybe...

02:01:57.000 That are afraid to get themselves tired that you gotta make them get...

02:02:01.000 They're not gonna push themselves that much when they're sparring if they're scared to get tired.

02:02:05.000 But you could push them hard as hell when they're not worried about getting punched or worried about winning anything.

02:02:09.000 That's the good thing about strength and condition.

02:02:11.000 You can really push yourself without hopefully getting hurt as well.

02:02:14.000 I think a lot of strength and condition people, they just wanna put the cool videos up and put the chains on and do this and flip the tire.

02:02:24.000 It's like, I just wanna keep it simple, man.

02:02:26.000 I wanna...

02:02:26.000 I heard someone say, you want to leave a strength and conditioning working out feeling better, not worse.

02:02:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:33.000 That's like the Pavel Tatsulin idea, you know, that you don't ever go to failure and those kind of things.

02:02:39.000 You're just trying to strengthen things up.

02:02:41.000 Yeah.

02:02:43.000 It's interesting because the sport is so new, fairly new, that there's all these different schools of thought about the right way to do it.

02:02:50.000 And you really don't know.

02:02:51.000 And so while you're going through your camp, you got to go, wow, I hope this guy's right.

02:02:55.000 Yeah.

02:02:56.000 There's definitely a right way and a wrong way.

02:02:58.000 But there's also your way and my way.

02:03:00.000 And they could both be right.

02:03:02.000 Right.

02:03:03.000 Yeah.

02:03:04.000 But I mean, some guys like...

02:03:06.000 Long, slow running sessions.

02:03:09.000 Some guys like hill sprints.

02:03:10.000 Some guys like mostly plyometrics and organized Tabata drills and things like that for strength and conditioning.

02:03:17.000 And then there's guys like Nick Diaz who just likes doing triathlons and shit like that.

02:03:22.000 Yeah, but this new guy I'm with, it's like much more detailed.

02:03:26.000 My last training conditioning guy was great.

02:03:28.000 You know, I'm never not in shape, so...

02:03:30.000 But he would just kind of just go and we'd just work out.

02:03:33.000 This guy, everything's planned out way ahead.

02:03:35.000 Way ahead of what I'm doing.

02:03:37.000 So what kind of stuff does he have you doing?

02:03:39.000 Just...

02:03:40.000 All different types of modalities, I guess.

02:03:42.000 He kind of switches it up.

02:03:44.000 I do the...

02:03:44.000 There's another thing, too.

02:03:46.000 A lot of it's breathing stuff for warm-ups and whatnot.

02:03:50.000 I can't remember the name of it.

02:03:54.000 It was along with that RPR stuff I was talking about.

02:03:57.000 But yeah, a lot of it's breathing before and after and breath holds.

02:04:02.000 I've been doing a lot of that stuff.

02:04:04.000 Oh, so it's like lung conditioning.

02:04:05.000 Yeah, lung conditioning to warm up and to cool down, too.

02:04:09.000 Yeah, breathing exercises are very underrated.

02:04:12.000 If you look at what Hicks and Grace used to be able to do, that kind of fire breathing, you can literally strengthen your lungs.

02:04:20.000 There was this dude that I used to do yoga with, his name was Yoga Ray, and that wasn't his full name.

02:04:26.000 He was an elite singer in a band.

02:04:27.000 I forget the band.

02:04:29.000 I'm trying to remember right now.

02:04:30.000 God damn it.

02:04:31.000 Anyway, we always just called him Yoga Ray.

02:04:33.000 But he had amazing cardio.

02:04:35.000 And he had amazing cardio specifically because of his breathing exercises.

02:04:40.000 Like, he didn't do cardio.

02:04:42.000 He was just doing yoga and jujitsu.

02:04:44.000 But this guy would never get tired.

02:04:46.000 Yeah.

02:04:46.000 Because he would do all these, like, radical breathing exercises.

02:04:48.000 So his lungs were like a strong muscle.

02:04:51.000 Yeah.

02:04:52.000 That's what they always work your diaphragm.

02:04:54.000 Mm-hmm.

02:04:55.000 Yeah.

02:04:56.000 So what other kind of exercises do you have you do that's different?

02:04:59.000 With him, he's really paid attention to my body position and stuff.

02:05:03.000 Because my back is bad, I try to stay away from deadlifts and this and that, but since I've been with this guy, I've been able to do all that stuff.

02:05:09.000 Really?

02:05:10.000 Yeah.

02:05:11.000 Just because of making sure that you have better technique?

02:05:13.000 Better technique.

02:05:15.000 He always says, if you want to feel your abs and your hamstrings, if you feel your abs and your hamstrings in all your workouts, your back's probably safe.

02:05:21.000 He's always touching me, making sure he's firing, making sure he's firing.

02:05:25.000 Yeah.

02:05:25.000 So, like, making sure that your abs are tightened.

02:05:28.000 Like, say I'm doing a bench or something, he'll put, like, a towel underneath my back and, like, I'm trying to pull it out.

02:05:34.000 Make sure you keep it pressed on the floor so I can't pull it out.

02:05:37.000 That's protecting your back.

02:05:39.000 So he's just, like, really cautious and just knows a lot about exercise physiology.

02:05:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:05:46.000 And so you go to him, you say a couple days a week?

02:05:48.000 Two days a week, yeah.

02:05:49.000 Do you do any cryotherapy or ice baths or anything like that?

02:05:52.000 No.

02:05:53.000 I've done cryotherapy a couple times.

02:05:55.000 I just don't have somewhere super close to me.

02:05:57.000 I feel like if you want to do it, you've got to do it at least three times a week.

02:06:02.000 Yeah.

02:06:03.000 I think even once a week's not enough.

02:06:04.000 Really?

02:06:05.000 To get the benefits of it.

02:06:05.000 Yeah, it's fucking awesome.

02:06:08.000 I'll tell you that.

02:06:08.000 I love doing it.

02:06:10.000 I would suggest to anybody that if you can get into one of those things, do it.

02:06:14.000 Do it whenever you can.

02:06:14.000 Yeah.

02:06:15.000 Apparently, ice bath's really good, too.

02:06:17.000 Yeah, I've done an ice bath probably 10 years ago, and my dick hurt for like a half hour after that.

02:06:22.000 And I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

02:06:24.000 Yeah.

02:06:26.000 That's hilarious.

02:06:27.000 What about sauna?

02:06:28.000 Do you ever do that?

02:06:28.000 Yeah, I do the sauna.

02:06:29.000 I love the sauna.

02:06:30.000 I don't have one in my house.

02:06:31.000 My wife has like a little teepee sauna.

02:06:33.000 It's like a red light one.

02:06:34.000 You can go in and your head sticks out.

02:06:36.000 Is that good?

02:06:37.000 But you lay down.

02:06:37.000 It's not bad.

02:06:38.000 It's not hot enough, I feel like.

02:06:39.000 I feel like it's got to be hot.

02:06:40.000 My wife's into the red light one as opposed to the heat one.

02:06:43.000 Right.

02:06:44.000 To me, I think you've got to suffer for you to really get the benefits.

02:06:46.000 I think so, too.

02:06:47.000 Yeah.

02:06:48.000 I mean, I don't know about infrared sauna because I've never really done that, but Laird Hamilton was saying that he had some skin issues that he got from infrared But he does some wacky shit, man.

02:06:58.000 That guy puts an aerosol bike inside of a sauna and then puts oven mitts on.

02:07:04.000 Because it's too hot.

02:07:04.000 Yeah, and he's sprinting in there.

02:07:06.000 I'm like, Jesus, bro.

02:07:08.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

02:07:09.000 Yeah, he's a freak.

02:07:10.000 He's a real freak.

02:07:12.000 We have the Russian Banya in Jersey.

02:07:15.000 They have this 200 degree sauna in there.

02:07:19.000 Jesus.

02:07:19.000 Crazy.

02:07:20.000 200 degrees?

02:07:21.000 Feels like it, at least.

02:07:22.000 And then they beat you with sticks?

02:07:24.000 Yeah, I did that the one time, too.

02:07:25.000 And I was with some of my Russian buddies, so they were talking to them for me and everything.

02:07:29.000 They're like, ah, we give them the real treatment.

02:07:31.000 And do you go in the cold right after?

02:07:33.000 Because that's what they do, right?

02:07:35.000 They jump in the water, cold water.

02:07:36.000 Yeah, cold water.

02:07:37.000 I did it all.

02:07:38.000 I did like a...

02:07:39.000 This guy, Tamor Valiev, who should be in the UFC. He's not.

02:07:42.000 So Dana, get this guy Tamor in.

02:07:45.000 What weight loss?

02:07:46.000 He's a 35er.

02:07:47.000 He's tough, man.

02:07:48.000 He was a WSOF guy.

02:07:51.000 Very good.

02:07:52.000 Only has one loss, and he revenged his loss.

02:07:54.000 But he's been training with us for a long time.

02:07:56.000 World Series of Fighting is what?

02:07:58.000 Professional Fighting League now, right?

02:07:59.000 Oh yeah, PFL, yeah.

02:08:02.000 That's where Rory is now, huh?

02:08:03.000 Rory McDonald went over there.

02:08:05.000 That's interesting.

02:08:05.000 He's actually going to come on here with Eve Edwards.

02:08:07.000 We're going to talk about it.

02:08:09.000 That should be fun.

02:08:11.000 Yeah, he was at Bellator, right?

02:08:14.000 He was at Bellator.

02:08:16.000 Lost his title.

02:08:18.000 Or, excuse me, lost a fight to Gegard Mousasi and then lost to...

02:08:23.000 Lima, right?

02:08:24.000 Yeah, Douglas Lima.

02:08:25.000 Beat him in the rematch.

02:08:26.000 Lost his title there.

02:08:28.000 Beat Lima.

02:08:29.000 He had some good fights over there.

02:08:31.000 But I think he just got a big offer from the PFL. They're looking for a big name.

02:08:35.000 They're giving away a lot of fucking money.

02:08:37.000 I don't know how long they can do that for.

02:08:38.000 Right?

02:08:39.000 A million dollars for people who win?

02:08:41.000 Like if you win the tournament?

02:08:42.000 Yeah, like seven people won at the last end.

02:08:44.000 How do they do that?

02:08:46.000 That's a lot of money.

02:08:47.000 It's Kevin Hart behind it.

02:08:49.000 Is he?

02:08:49.000 Yeah, I think he's an investor.

02:08:50.000 Kevin Hart is?

02:08:51.000 Yeah, pretty sure.

02:08:52.000 Kevin Hart invests in everything.

02:08:54.000 That guy is such a genius in terms of business.

02:08:57.000 He is, dude.

02:08:58.000 I don't know how he sleeps.

02:08:59.000 I don't know where he has his time.

02:09:01.000 I don't know how you sleep, though, either.

02:09:02.000 My hard work is an illusion.

02:09:04.000 I don't know, man.

02:09:05.000 But you're into so many things, you know?

02:09:08.000 Yeah.

02:09:09.000 Like, I feel like, damn, I don't have time for shit.

02:09:11.000 I do a lot of stuff, but it's not hard.

02:09:13.000 Like, this is not hard.

02:09:14.000 This is fun.

02:09:15.000 Like, stand-up, not hard.

02:09:17.000 It's hard if you suck.

02:09:18.000 It's hard if you're bombing.

02:09:19.000 It's hard when you write new material.

02:09:20.000 But it's got a lot of preparation, though, no?

02:09:21.000 Yeah, there's some preparation.

02:09:22.000 But it's not...

02:09:24.000 Working in a fucking sand mine.

02:09:27.000 It's not real hard work.

02:09:31.000 As far as hard as in laboring, but still time consuming.

02:09:35.000 It's time consuming, but it's fun.

02:09:37.000 The hard part is the discipline things.

02:09:39.000 Like forcing yourself to write.

02:09:42.000 That's hard.

02:09:43.000 Forcing yourself to go to the gym.

02:09:45.000 The discipline in most things in life is hard.

02:09:48.000 Once you're there doing it, it's mostly fun.

02:09:51.000 People kind of exaggerate the difficulty of a lot of things.

02:09:55.000 I just, you know, you're into bow hunting.

02:09:59.000 You're like, damn, I want to get a...

02:10:01.000 I don't have any hobbies.

02:10:02.000 I need a fucking hobby.

02:10:03.000 Find Jim Miller.

02:10:04.000 He'll take you bow hunting.

02:10:05.000 Yeah, well, Corey.

02:10:06.000 Corey.

02:10:06.000 Oh, that's right.

02:10:07.000 Corey's the best one for it.

02:10:09.000 That guy's constantly hunting.

02:10:10.000 Every time I check his Instagram.

02:10:12.000 Gets up, works out, goes to hunt, goes back, works out again.

02:10:15.000 When he came here, he brought his bow.

02:10:17.000 No, we were shooting.

02:10:19.000 Well, we have that machine.

02:10:20.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:10:21.000 Yeah, that techno hunt.

02:10:24.000 Dude, I gotta use the bathroom.

02:10:25.000 Yeah, well, let's wrap this up.

02:10:26.000 It's 2.30, yeah.

02:10:27.000 All right.

02:10:28.000 Listen, thanks for coming down here.

02:10:30.000 Let everybody know how to find you on Instagram and Twitter.

02:10:33.000 Yeah, Frankie Edgar everything.

02:10:34.000 Champ and a Tramp.

02:10:35.000 Check it out.

02:10:36.000 Champ and a Champ podcast.

02:10:37.000 And when do you think you'll be back again?

02:10:40.000 Any ideas?

02:10:40.000 I think late spring, early summer.

02:10:44.000 Okay.

02:10:44.000 35. All right, brother.

02:10:46.000 Always a pleasure.

02:10:46.000 Thank you, sir.

02:10:47.000 Thank you, man.

02:10:47.000 Awesome time.

02:10:48.000 Frankie Edgar, ladies and gentlemen.

02:10:49.000 Bye-bye.

02:10:51.000 I know, it gets rough with the beans.

02:10:53.000 Dude, holy shit, bro.

02:10:54.000 Let's get the kettle.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 28, 2020

JRE MMA Show #88 with Frankie Edgar

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