The Joe Rogan Experience - Swapcast - Podcast On A Plane with John Dudley (Audio Only)

00:00:00.000 And we're rolling.

00:00:02.000 Cheers.

00:00:03.000 Cheers.

00:00:04.000 That's only part of a cat lady.

00:00:06.000 I mean, obviously.

00:00:08.000 Yeah, that's just the one.

00:00:09.000 Well, it's the critical part.

00:00:11.000 It is.

00:00:12.000 It is.

00:00:13.000 Without the red wine, the cat lady is not that ridiculous.

00:00:15.000 Right?

00:00:16.000 It's just red wine.

00:00:17.000 It's like tequila and Red Bull.

00:00:19.000 Yep.

00:00:19.000 That's normal.

00:00:20.000 I mean, that's like Red Bull and vodka.

00:00:22.000 It's not too crazy.

00:00:23.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 You pour the red wine in there, and you're like, what are we doing?

00:00:25.000 Now you're just desperate.

00:00:28.000 Now you're just like everyone shows up to a party with what they found in their parents' refrigerator.

00:00:33.000 Yeah.

00:00:33.000 And then the cat lady appears.

00:00:35.000 Have you ever made one of those since then?

00:00:37.000 Yeah, a lot.

00:00:41.000 I turn people on to it all the time.

00:00:43.000 That day was so ridiculous.

00:00:45.000 I've gone into bars where people recognize me, and then the waitress comes over and says, the bartender would like to give you this Cat Lady.

00:00:54.000 And I'm like, what?

00:00:57.000 For people who don't know what we're talking about, the Cat Lady was a drink that John invented.

00:01:01.000 Two years ago in Lanai.

00:01:04.000 Two years ago?

00:01:05.000 Yeah, I think it was two years ago.

00:01:06.000 Not last year, the year before that.

00:01:07.000 Two years ago.

00:01:08.000 And it was Shane Dorian, Sam Soholt, Ben O'Brien, John.

00:01:15.000 Remy had left.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, Remy had left.

00:01:18.000 He didn't get to enjoy it.

00:01:19.000 That was the first.

00:01:20.000 We did a podcast in my suite and we just went into the minibar and we just grabbed everything.

00:01:26.000 I don't know about this wee stuff, you came with a full bear hug of just, I could hear clanging happening, and you just dropped it in the middle of the table.

00:01:35.000 Like, this is what we got.

00:01:36.000 Yep, you're like, hey, let's podcast, and that's where it all started.

00:01:41.000 By the end, I just was kind of grabbing, I think I was consuming more than most, so I was just reaching around, trying to take whatever was left, and then you're like, what the hell are you pouring?

00:01:51.000 So that was our first year doing this trip, and this year was our third.

00:01:56.000 And man, it is...

00:01:58.000 First of all, it's an awesome place to get ready for elk.

00:02:04.000 I think to get ready for anything.

00:02:07.000 Anything.

00:02:08.000 If you can successfully...

00:02:10.000 Especially if someone's...

00:02:13.000 Wong and No, like, where they rate.

00:02:16.000 I remember last year when I elk hunted with Andy, I told Andy when we were in Montana that this time I'm going to be limited on how much I can hunt with you.

00:02:27.000 Like, we'll both go opposite directions.

00:02:29.000 And then after, I think, two days, Andy said, okay, I realize now how much of my success before was...

00:02:38.000 Hinging on you navigating me in these like small moments that I didn't really realize how important they were.

00:02:46.000 And I think if you can come here and if you can do you, like if your guide can get you close, but then you just say, I'm going to test only myself from here in, like from the 250 yard mark in, if you can get it done on an axis here,

00:03:03.000 you can get anything done.

00:03:04.000 Yeah, that's black belt bow hunting skills.

00:03:07.000 Yeah, I think that's black belt skills.

00:03:09.000 Especially if you're taking a long shot and you manage to crawl into place.

00:03:14.000 Because a lot of it is crawling.

00:03:16.000 If you plan on coming out here, folks, bring some knee pads.

00:03:19.000 Luckily, our Sitka gear pants have built-in knee pads, which are excellent.

00:03:25.000 But if you use a different kind of camo, first of all, you shouldn't.

00:03:29.000 Second of all, if you do use a different kind of camo, better get some knee pads.

00:03:33.000 Just the pattern itself looked amazing.

00:03:35.000 Amazing.

00:03:36.000 Like when we were glassing across, when I would glass and look at you, or when I'd look back, you blend it.

00:03:42.000 I mean, it worked really well.

00:03:44.000 It worked great everywhere.

00:03:45.000 The Subalpine is the bomb.

00:03:47.000 It's the bomb.

00:03:47.000 I've used a lot of different camo, trying different stuff out.

00:03:52.000 And, you know, I really love First Light.

00:03:54.000 They make good stuff.

00:03:55.000 But Sitka's the best.

00:03:57.000 They're the best.

00:03:58.000 They just take everything above and beyond.

00:04:00.000 Everything is one step better.

00:04:02.000 You know what's funny?

00:04:03.000 They won't come out and publicly say that subalpine is effective for, like, whitetail or turkeys, because the gore...

00:04:15.000 The gore methology...

00:04:18.000 I don't know if I said that right, but...

00:04:20.000 They have a protocol of having their tests to prove things or be able to make a statement are very vigorous for gore.

00:04:28.000 So because they've never truly tested subalpine to a turkey's vision, they won't come out publicly say that it's effective for turkeys, even though I can tell you it definitely is.

00:04:39.000 Early season whitetails.

00:04:42.000 Midway through the season for whitetails, 100% effective.

00:04:45.000 But what it was truly tested for was sub-alpine.

00:04:49.000 It was like tested for hunting big game.

00:04:52.000 And so they'll say that.

00:04:54.000 But I can tell you if there's any type of foliage that has a hint of green in it, it is effective.

00:05:01.000 It just breaks everything up so good.

00:05:03.000 Like when we were at Utah hunting elk, we just blend right in.

00:05:08.000 I would look back a few times and I couldn't tell where you were.

00:05:12.000 Even in those poplars where there was some white and black speckle, it looked amazing.

00:05:17.000 Yeah, it's a perfect breakup pattern.

00:05:19.000 You don't see the human form.

00:05:22.000 For here, what matters most is movement and, I guess, what the environment...

00:05:31.000 Ha ha!

00:05:32.000 Now we have something a little different.

00:05:35.000 Margarita.

00:05:37.000 Yep, that'll work.

00:05:38.000 Yeah, the movement is big, but I became an even bigger believer in the hex suit while I was here.

00:05:44.000 When we had that bird fly by and just land right behind us, I was like, dude, what is wrong with this bird?

00:05:49.000 He had no idea we were there.

00:05:51.000 Yeah, he was right in our business.

00:05:53.000 Yeah, we were just sitting there, and this bird just flew by and landed right next to us.

00:05:58.000 We started tweeting away.

00:06:00.000 Let us know.

00:06:01.000 I think you said, you go, what's this thing doing?

00:06:04.000 And I just looked at you, I'm like, that's what things do at the Hex.

00:06:07.000 Squirrels jump on my shoulders.

00:06:10.000 Birds, like, try to land on me.

00:06:12.000 What'll wig you out is when owls...

00:06:15.000 When I'm in a whitetail stand, and owls will come in and be like cupped, going to land on your shoulder.

00:06:21.000 If it's a small bird, I'll let them do it.

00:06:23.000 If it's a squirrel, I'm like, get on there, dude.

00:06:25.000 I'll do that.

00:06:26.000 When it's got talons, I'm like, whoa!

00:06:30.000 Back off, bro.

00:06:32.000 But I've had several owls just kind of come flying in.

00:06:35.000 They cup up, and they're just going to land on my shoulder.

00:06:37.000 And I have to just...

00:06:39.000 Wimp out.

00:06:40.000 So the hex suit, for people who don't know, H-E-C-S, the hex suit breaks up, it blocks your electrical signal, right?

00:06:49.000 The electromagnetic signal that your body gives off.

00:06:53.000 Yep, yep.

00:06:53.000 And it's been proven to work on fish, and it's been proven to work on what other animals?

00:06:59.000 Fish is tested for sure, birds for sure, because migratory birds have had tons of like, I think, I shouldn't say federal, but like granted tests to track migratory birds and how they see.

00:07:15.000 And it's proven that birds do see in electronic fields.

00:07:19.000 So for birds, they say that it's incredibly effective because that's why they've got all that footage, being able to crawl out on geese and people shooting turkeys from just sitting next to nothing, just being able to do it.

00:07:35.000 For those, it's really important that your hands and your face mask and everything are fully covered with the hex.

00:07:42.000 Honestly, I'm going with the major muscle groups for my stuff.

00:07:46.000 I wear the top and the bottom for small game and big game.

00:07:52.000 I'm a believer, man.

00:07:53.000 Some people are still skeptical though, right?

00:07:56.000 Yeah.

00:07:56.000 I mean, you know, some people say, hey, you know, it seems like you're selling snake oil.

00:08:00.000 And I'm like, I get it.

00:08:02.000 I get it.

00:08:03.000 You know, I understand what you're saying.

00:08:06.000 All I can tell you is like, with bears, they're predatory animals.

00:08:10.000 With bears, my encounters with them has just been weird, you know, how well it works.

00:08:18.000 But then if my camera guy doesn't have it, it seems like I'm picked off more.

00:08:23.000 So I definitely feel like when I've been in my one-on-one situations and I'm fully clothed in it, I wear it all the time.

00:08:32.000 I mean, I guess it'd be easy for me not to, but I always do.

00:08:36.000 I mean, I'm a believer in it for sure.

00:08:39.000 Yeah, I became more of a believer this trip.

00:08:41.000 I felt like there was too many moments, too, where deer were staring at us.

00:08:45.000 And they just didn't know what the hell we were.

00:08:49.000 Whereas some of the times in the past, when I wasn't wearing it...

00:08:52.000 The same sort of situation, the deer would start blowing, and then they would take off.

00:08:56.000 They'd take off.

00:08:58.000 They'd make that crazy barking noise, and they took off.

00:09:00.000 When we got up to your deer, and we're kind of his final resting place where we took pictures and stuff, Did you ever look back to the tree that we were, for those of you who want to know, we're actually on our flight back.

00:09:16.000 This is a flight podcast.

00:09:19.000 Everyone around us is like, what's going on?

00:09:21.000 No, we're just podcasting folks.

00:09:24.000 Did you look back at that tree and see how small that tree really was?

00:09:30.000 Yeah, pretty small.

00:09:31.000 Imagine me and Joe Rogan tucked up next to kind of a bonsai tree.

00:09:40.000 And we had to crawl about 80, 90 yards to get to it.

00:09:44.000 80 or 90 yards crawling and we get to this tree.

00:09:51.000 And I kind of grab the base of the tree, and I'm trying to shimmy up the tree just enough.

00:09:56.000 And I figured there was going to be a few axis there, and that's the thing with axis.

00:10:01.000 When they're bedded, you might see one or two that's standing up at the time.

00:10:05.000 But once I got there, I look back at you, and I'm giving the signal like, dude, don't crawl, but on your belly, scoot.

00:10:14.000 Just use your fingertips and your nails and pull yourself to me.

00:10:19.000 Because our cover was probably only two feet tall, and with you with the backpack on, that was about all you could spare, was just laying flat to your stomach and crawl up to me.

00:10:32.000 And then you got behind me and used me as a blocker to come up.

00:10:36.000 And how many deer were within 80 yards of us?

00:10:39.000 It was a lot.

00:10:40.000 It was a lot.

00:10:41.000 They were everywhere.

00:10:42.000 When I shot the deer, that's when we really realized how many there were.

00:10:45.000 Oh, geez.

00:10:46.000 Because a lot of them popped up.

00:10:48.000 Yeah.

00:10:49.000 Tons.

00:10:50.000 It was pretty crazy.

00:10:51.000 So let's talk about your shot first.

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:54.000 Because that was, honestly, that was the highlight of the whole trip for me, was just hearing that sound.

00:11:01.000 We had the sun hard at our back.

00:11:03.000 I couldn't really see.

00:11:04.000 I was trying to film, so I couldn't really see where your arrow went.

00:11:08.000 I just could see...

00:11:10.000 I could see that broadhead right past my shoulder, and I was looking at the tip of your broadhead and seeing how still it was.

00:11:19.000 I was referencing it on something that was behind it, and you were just stable, and I could see your broadhead coming back, back, back, back on the rest.

00:11:28.000 So I knew you were just pulling on that silverback just slow and sweet.

00:11:33.000 And as soon as I heard it go, I just looked right at the axis, and I heard that sound that just...

00:11:39.000 I knew it had found the honey spot.

00:11:42.000 Well, I committed 100% to the Silverback last year when I hunted here.

00:11:50.000 I was using a thumb trigger, which is great, but these deer are so skittish and these moments are so adrenaline filled.

00:12:02.000 I felt like I made a decision.

00:12:04.000 I'm like, look, I shoot super accurate with the silverback.

00:12:07.000 Why won't I hunt with it?

00:12:08.000 Like, what am I thinking?

00:12:09.000 Am I thinking that I need to make it go off quick?

00:12:12.000 Like, what am I thinking?

00:12:13.000 I'm just going to go to 100% silverback.

00:12:15.000 And I'm super glad that I did because I shot my elk last year in Utah with a silverback.

00:12:22.000 I shot that amazing elk at Tejon Ranch, which is like the furthest I've ever shot an animal.

00:12:28.000 75 yards, perfect shot in the heart.

00:12:31.000 I practice with a silverback.

00:12:33.000 I don't practice with anything else.

00:12:34.000 Sometimes I'll practice with a knock to it but I use a silverback so much I don't even think about punching the trigger.

00:12:41.000 I don't even think about it.

00:12:42.000 I just put my thumb there and I pull through it the same way I do with a silverback.

00:12:46.000 That's how it is.

00:12:47.000 People don't realize that there's this window when you have one thing that you really like and you feel comfortable with and you feel like you have control over, which let's just say it's the knock to it, or an index finger wrist strap release.

00:13:01.000 And then, yeah, you learn with the silverback and you realize, okay, this is a good training aid.

00:13:08.000 And you're kind of afraid to lose that last little bit of control that you have.

00:13:12.000 But there's that window that if you can push through that, you forget about that feeling.

00:13:18.000 And you just realize, you almost realize there is no other option.

00:13:24.000 This is just what I shoot with.

00:13:26.000 This is all I use every day.

00:13:29.000 Plus, I can make it go off in a second or two seconds.

00:13:32.000 Once you learn it, right?

00:13:33.000 It's all in the scapula.

00:13:36.000 It's all in that...

00:13:37.000 Preload.

00:13:37.000 Yeah, it's all in that muscle in the middle of the back, the rhomboids.

00:13:41.000 It's all in that.

00:13:42.000 And I shoot with it so much.

00:13:45.000 You know, I have that archery range at my studio, and I'm just constantly shooting.

00:13:50.000 I get there before work, I shoot.

00:13:51.000 After work, I shoot.

00:13:53.000 We're just constantly shooting, constantly shooting with that thing.

00:13:56.000 So my body knows exactly what to do.

00:13:58.000 That was one of the most satisfying things about this trip.

00:14:00.000 Like, even the shots that I missed, and I missed a couple shots because these animals are so fast.

00:14:04.000 And we took some, you know, long shots.

00:14:07.000 One of them was 80-something yards, and the arrow was perfectly on track for the boiler room.

00:14:12.000 It was.

00:14:13.000 But that thing saw the arrow or heard the arrow and just like, boink, see ya!

00:14:16.000 They're so fast.

00:14:18.000 The one thing that's different with Axis is...

00:14:20.000 I don't think Axis try to locate a sound and then decide whether or not that sound is dangerous or not.

00:14:29.000 With most animals, what I found is the first reaction is to pinpoint where a foreign sound came from.

00:14:37.000 And once they're locked onto that, if there's anything following that, then now they kind of react like a fight or flight thing.

00:14:46.000 So I've had, and I can see this a lot in video footage, like with elk where they'll hear the bow and they'll turn and look to where a bow went off, but if they don't hear something coming, they just stand there and the arrow comes in.

00:14:59.000 And I really feel like that with the four-fledged setups we have, I feel like the arrows are quieter than what we've shot in the past, personally.

00:15:07.000 Well, definitely the one I shot last year.

00:15:09.000 Because last year here, I was trying to use a fixed blade.

00:15:12.000 And it was a fixed blade with some holes in it.

00:15:14.000 Yeah.

00:15:15.000 And it was like a whistle of death.

00:15:17.000 It was like...

00:15:18.000 Well, on some of those longer shots, the deer would turn, but you could see them look up, like on the footage.

00:15:25.000 These, they didn't do that.

00:15:26.000 They just looked our way.

00:15:27.000 They never looked up to, like, that sound that they could hear coming in.

00:15:32.000 So that's why I think the projectile was good.

00:15:34.000 But these things are just, they're keyed in.

00:15:37.000 And we talked to our buddies Sloan from Yeti and Cole Kramer.

00:15:43.000 We're over on the main island hunting Axis II. They're on Maui.

00:15:47.000 Oh yeah, they're on Maui.

00:15:49.000 Hunting Axis, and I asked them how they were doing, and they're like, dude, shot a few does, missed a few, lost a few.

00:15:58.000 These things are just crazy how fast they react and move.

00:16:03.000 And you say it's just, you think it's from tigers.

00:16:06.000 Yeah, they evolved to get away from tigers.

00:16:09.000 It's probably what it is.

00:16:10.000 Yeah, they're from India.

00:16:11.000 They were given to King Kamehameha, I think in the 1800s, but they're just an insanely fast animal.

00:16:17.000 They're so much faster.

00:16:18.000 You think of mule deer as being fast.

00:16:21.000 Mule deer are drunk and on pills compared to these things.

00:16:25.000 Really, they're so slow.

00:16:28.000 I think these are as fast as a highly pressured South Texas whitetail that's coming to a feeder that's kind of like twitching the whole time it's there.

00:16:40.000 And you kind of have to aim.

00:16:42.000 I got to the point where when I was out with Cam, Cam asked me where I aimed.

00:16:46.000 I said, dude, my pin was sitting...

00:16:49.000 In the corner pocket of the leg and the body.

00:16:55.000 Like, I literally...

00:16:56.000 Every time I drew back, I put the pin I wanted on the back of its front leg.

00:17:01.000 I followed that back leg up until it touched the bottom of the body, and I was pulling right there.

00:17:10.000 I was pulling on my trigger in a place where my pin...

00:17:15.000 If the arrow hit exactly behind the pin, it would have just shaved hair off its armpit, but that's not where any of the arrows hit.

00:17:23.000 They were all ducking and turning, and I feel like they're moving at least four inches down, possibly more.

00:17:33.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.000 Turning away.

00:17:36.000 It seems like they duck and spin out, like that's their move.

00:17:40.000 Pick the feet up and like rotate 180 degrees.

00:17:44.000 Yeah.

00:17:45.000 You agree?

00:17:45.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:17:46.000 They're never like darting forward.

00:17:48.000 That's why I think that this is the perfect place to show how effective a rage is.

00:17:54.000 The perfect place to show how effective a large cutting surface arrow is or broadhead is.

00:18:01.000 Yep.

00:18:01.000 The benefits of it.

00:18:02.000 Giant.

00:18:03.000 Because if you have the variable of...

00:18:09.000 Not knowing 100% where that arrow could hit, you know you're going to be within an area or a kill zone.

00:18:16.000 Possibly, depending on how fast it's reacting, it might be a little bit outside of that.

00:18:21.000 The more damage, the better off you are, as long as you're able to still get some penetration.

00:18:27.000 And Cam said, too, on the last podcast, he's like, hey man...

00:18:32.000 I definitely see where there's an application for this.

00:18:36.000 Yeah, and he's a fixed blade fiend.

00:18:39.000 Do you think you would have got your deer if you would have been shooting a fixed blade head?

00:18:43.000 It's hard to say.

00:18:44.000 I mean, it's hard to say.

00:18:47.000 You know, I think fixed blades, many of them, especially vented ones, they're louder too.

00:18:52.000 Yeah.

00:18:53.000 That's a factor as well.

00:18:54.000 Yeah, could have.

00:18:56.000 Nothing really knew what had happened with your shot.

00:18:59.000 I mean, there was a lot of deer there, and it was like, and then that deer ran off.

00:19:05.000 And that thing had to have been completely expired within...

00:19:11.000 Three seconds, would it be fair?

00:19:13.000 Yeah, it sprinted as far as it could get.

00:19:16.000 It was like 50 yards, which, when you see how fast an axis runs, 50 yards is not very long, and it was dead.

00:19:21.000 Seconds.

00:19:22.000 And done.

00:19:23.000 And everything else was just looking around like, what happened?

00:19:26.000 What happened?

00:19:27.000 Yeah, I mean, I had a second shot.

00:19:29.000 I tried to get a second shot on another deer at 70 yards, and that deer ducked the string.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, because then they were all alert.

00:19:35.000 They were all like, they knew what was up.

00:19:38.000 You shot the RX-3.

00:19:39.000 Love it.

00:19:41.000 First of all, it's so quiet.

00:19:43.000 It's so quiet.

00:19:44.000 Definitely quieter than an RX-1.

00:19:45.000 Yeah, which I loved.

00:19:47.000 I loved the RX-1, but this is better.

00:19:49.000 I mean, those Hoyt engineers, man, they know what they're doing.

00:19:53.000 This thing is super quiet and super accurate.

00:19:56.000 Did Cam shoot an RX or did he shoot a Helix?

00:19:59.000 He shot the Helix.

00:20:00.000 Okay, that's right.

00:20:01.000 I forgot which one he was shooting.

00:20:03.000 I shot the Helix too.

00:20:04.000 I'm going to switch back to an RX3, I think, for elk season.

00:20:12.000 People ask me all the time why one over the other.

00:20:16.000 I like to shoot them all because I know people have different price ranges.

00:20:20.000 I don't think one's more accurate than the other.

00:20:23.000 I really like the fact that I can change my grips out on my aluminum riser.

00:20:30.000 If I was honest, I would say I would like it if Hoyt went back to what they used to do on the carbon risers.

00:20:36.000 Why did they do that?

00:20:37.000 They wanted you to be able to have the ability to shift the new grip left or right, depending on how your natural grip is turning the bow so that you can adjust it to have perfect alignment of the arrow down the center shot of the riser.

00:20:52.000 For you, because obviously we've been shooting together for years, you don't have natural torque in your front hand, so I didn't have to shift it anyway.

00:21:02.000 Your arrow and everything is lined up right down the pipe, like right down the stabilizer.

00:21:07.000 Your pin sits right on the outside edge of your shaft.

00:21:10.000 You don't have any torque in the riser at all.

00:21:13.000 You don't even need to move it.

00:21:15.000 But I think some people have a natural ability to kind of grab the handle.

00:21:20.000 So they wanted you to be able to remove that screw, lift the grip off, and you can move this aluminum plate left or right underneath the plastic grip to kind of compensate for your natural torque.

00:21:32.000 Personally, I'd rather just not have the torque.

00:21:34.000 Yeah, learn how to not shoot that way.

00:21:37.000 That's probably better.

00:21:38.000 Yeah, it's like a band-aid.

00:21:39.000 But I did love those knock-on elk plates.

00:21:43.000 I love those.

00:21:44.000 I love the way it feels in the hand, too.

00:21:47.000 It's extra grippy, even when you're sweaty.

00:21:49.000 It feels like it really sits in your hand well.

00:21:52.000 I've always said less riser in your hand is better.

00:21:57.000 Less in your hand gives you less ability to torque what you're holding onto.

00:22:03.000 Is it the same for pool cues?

00:22:05.000 It depends.

00:22:06.000 Some people like a thin grip pool cue and that's what they prefer.

00:22:12.000 I have big hands and I like a fat grip pool cue because there's less movement in my hand.

00:22:17.000 When I hold a pool cue, when it's sitting in my hand, I want my hand to be, like, just dead.

00:22:25.000 I don't ever want to, I don't grip the cue.

00:22:27.000 Really?

00:22:27.000 I don't, like, have a death grip.

00:22:28.000 So your elbow is almost like an upside-down pendulum.

00:22:30.000 My cue sits on, like, you know when Spider-Man hits his web?

00:22:34.000 Those two fingers where Spider-Man uses, that's how I hold my cue.

00:22:39.000 My cue sits on those fingers.

00:22:41.000 Never noticed.

00:22:42.000 So the idea is that it's just like you're almost throwing the cue at the ball.

00:22:50.000 So you're throwing the cue at the cue ball so that you're kind of like letting the weight of the cue and the swing of the arm do the work.

00:22:59.000 You're not death gripping it and jerking it and punching it.

00:23:02.000 You don't ever want to punch the cue ball.

00:23:05.000 Yeah, like me.

00:23:06.000 You want to be relaxed.

00:23:07.000 Yeah.

00:23:08.000 The whole idea is to be relaxed.

00:23:10.000 When I'm playing at my very best, I'm barely gripping the cue, and I'm letting the natural texture of the wrap sit in my hand.

00:23:17.000 And that's one of the reasons why a lot of times I like to use a rapless cue, which is just wood with, you know, an enamel or, I mean, some lacquer cover on it.

00:23:27.000 And then I put beeswax on the lacquer.

00:23:31.000 And that's my favorite, because it just sits in the hand, it's tacky, and I don't have to grip it at all.

00:23:36.000 And I just let the cue do all the work.

00:23:38.000 And it's like the more you can relax, and the more I play, like I play for a few hours, then I get real relaxed.

00:23:45.000 And then I can really just sort of like gently move my arm and let the cue stick move the cue ball and do all the work.

00:23:52.000 You're the same with archery.

00:23:54.000 Me, it's like I can come out of the gate and feel really relaxed and feel effortless as I shoot.

00:24:00.000 And then as I fatigue, I obviously feel like I'm putting more effort in.

00:24:04.000 When I'm ready to pack up, you're just starting to loosen up.

00:24:07.000 And it's the same with pool.

00:24:09.000 You can play pool forever.

00:24:11.000 I mean, I've had to just be like, hey, dude, I'm done.

00:24:14.000 You're like, I'm just getting loosened up.

00:24:17.000 Yeah, I get loosened up about eight hours in.

00:24:21.000 With Poole, the guys that look like they're not putting any effort in, is that when they're...

00:24:29.000 With archery, when guys look super comfortable, like, you almost feel like the bow isn't real.

00:24:35.000 You watch them, you look at them at full draw and you realize...

00:24:39.000 It doesn't even look like they're holding 60 pounds.

00:24:44.000 Everything is in line.

00:24:45.000 Everything is efficient.

00:24:46.000 They look effortless.

00:24:49.000 Is it the same with Poole?

00:24:50.000 Exactly the same.

00:24:51.000 When you see someone tighten up from nerves, you see their hand grip the cue different, and you see movement.

00:24:58.000 You see the cue goes a little bit left, a little bit right.

00:25:01.000 They put unnecessary and accidental English on the cue ball.

00:25:06.000 Yeah, it's one of those things where the more you can stay calm, the more you can relax and rely on technique.

00:25:12.000 That's one of the reasons why archery is so attractive to me because there's so many parallels with pool.

00:25:18.000 So many.

00:25:19.000 And martial arts as well.

00:25:20.000 One thing you said the other day that I really, really liked, and I don't know how we got on the subject.

00:25:26.000 It might have been yesterday, but we were talking about how sometimes in sport, for me, it always seems easy to forget the basics.

00:25:38.000 All of a sudden, I'll be coaching someone new or something, and I realize they're asking this question, and it's like, Oh man, yeah, I'm taking for granted this basic.

00:25:49.000 But for you, you said with comedy you never do that, which I think has to make you better at it.

00:25:56.000 And actually with my school of knock, what I do to myself every year in December...

00:26:03.000 Every year in December, I'm like, okay, whatever I've done this past year doesn't matter.

00:26:07.000 I'm going to wipe the slate clean.

00:26:09.000 I'm going to start with shooting enough arrows to where I can build some stamina practicing.

00:26:15.000 And then I'm just going to focus on my fundamentals one week at a time to try to back up.

00:26:22.000 It's not going back as far in the basics as I think what you were talking about.

00:26:27.000 But it's still a really cool...

00:26:31.000 Like, training aspect, isn't it?

00:26:34.000 Yeah.

00:26:34.000 Well, what we're talking about, what you're saying is, every two years I write a whole new act.

00:26:39.000 And I start, I'm like a beginner again.

00:26:41.000 I'm a beginner who knows how to do comedy, but I don't have any new material.

00:26:45.000 My material is, or I don't have any old material.

00:26:47.000 My material is all new.

00:26:48.000 So I have to figure out how to make it work.

00:26:50.000 And all these people are paying to see me.

00:26:53.000 So I have to work really hard at it.

00:26:56.000 So I can't be lazy and I can't take it for granted.

00:27:00.000 And it's like I become almost like a beginner again every two years.

00:27:04.000 Every year lately because of the Netflix special.

00:27:07.000 Yeah, well, it's two years in between specials.

00:27:13.000 Every special, I did one in 2014, 2016, 2018. So I'm on like a two-year schedule, which seems to me to be the right way to do it.

00:27:22.000 Yeah, you can polish everything.

00:27:24.000 Yeah, but what's most important is when that special comes out, like my last one came out in October of last year, of 2018, and that special's out, that material's dead.

00:27:37.000 It's gone.

00:27:38.000 You can't say it again.

00:27:38.000 So then I move to the new material, and then I have to write.

00:27:42.000 So I have all these people coming to see me, so there's no way you're ever relaxed or too comfortable Or you can't take it for granted.

00:27:51.000 You have to always be nervous and always be on the ball and always be working hard and always be concentrating on the fundamentals of comedy, like making sure that you're using the economy of words, making sure that You're saying things in a way that makes sense to people,

00:28:09.000 the best way to get it to people, and sneak in the punchlines where they don't see them coming, and have premises that are good, and address those premises in a way that's the most smooth way to do it.

00:28:20.000 So it requires a lot of thinking about comedy.

00:28:23.000 A lot.

00:28:24.000 It seems like you're in the perfect place, too, being so close to the store.

00:28:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:28.000 For you to be able to go to the comedy store.

00:28:29.000 I mean, can you think of something that morning and be like, I want to try this?

00:28:33.000 I think it's on my way to the comedy store.

00:28:36.000 Really?

00:28:37.000 Yeah, all the time.

00:28:38.000 And you're like, I'm just going to throw this out there.

00:28:40.000 Throw it out there.

00:28:40.000 Yep, throw it out there.

00:28:42.000 See, sink or swim.

00:28:44.000 Sometimes they sink, and you've got to acknowledge it.

00:28:46.000 You've got to let the people know.

00:28:48.000 All right, that was a new joke, and that sucked.

00:28:50.000 We're going to keep going.

00:28:52.000 And the people get a kick out of it because they know that you're trying things out.

00:28:55.000 Like, all the people that really know comedy, and that's actually one of the beautiful things about the Comedy Store is how many comedy fans, like, real aficionados go there, people who, you know, they know that they can go there, and any night of the week they can see some of the best headliners on the planet.

00:29:11.000 Yeah.

00:29:11.000 And they know the process.

00:29:14.000 They understand.

00:29:14.000 Particularly one of the beautiful things about podcasts is Is that through podcasts, we talk about it all the time.

00:29:22.000 We talk about that process.

00:29:23.000 So the people that listen to my podcast and many other comedians' podcasts, they understand our process now where they didn't before.

00:29:30.000 Ten years ago, people had no idea how comedians wrote jokes.

00:29:33.000 Now they know, the people that are really big fans, they know really well.

00:29:39.000 I've seen some of your lineups where it happens to be where those guys go to the store.

00:29:44.000 And it's not like it's a lineup.

00:29:46.000 It could be a freaking comedy all-star match.

00:29:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:50.000 I mean, I've seen names on that top sign where I'm like, Jesus, if you went there that night, you're like hitting the best of the best.

00:30:00.000 On the planet.

00:30:01.000 On the planet.

00:30:02.000 And it's 20 bucks.

00:30:04.000 $20, and you might see Dave Chappelle, Joey Diaz, Ari Shafir, Tom Segura, Burt Kreischer, me.

00:30:11.000 I mean, you see Crystal Lee.

00:30:14.000 You see Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:30:16.000 Ian was there.

00:30:17.000 Ian Edwards, Owen Smith.

00:30:19.000 It's just over and over and over.

00:30:21.000 It's like the lineup is insane.

00:30:23.000 Guys you've never heard of that are murderers.

00:30:25.000 Yeah.

00:30:26.000 It's a beautiful place.

00:30:28.000 It's one of the main things that keeps me in L.A. Yeah, for sure.

00:30:32.000 That and the podcast.

00:30:33.000 You have a good routine.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, man, I was ready to go.

00:30:36.000 I was ready to get the hell out of California a long time ago.

00:30:39.000 It's like he sucked me in.

00:30:42.000 Well, what's cool about our relationship, too, is...

00:30:48.000 There comes this point about November where you fully switch gears to comedy.

00:30:55.000 And I fully switch gears to product development coming out, really working on my shooting.

00:31:02.000 And I go in this, I kind of go reclusive as a friend.

00:31:06.000 There's been, I think at Christmas time, didn't I text you at Christmas and I said, you know, sorry for being a bad friend.

00:31:12.000 You weren't a bad friend.

00:31:14.000 We're both doing the same thing.

00:31:15.000 We're both wrapped up.

00:31:16.000 Yeah, I'm like, you know, I just said, I know you're doing the same, but, like, that's from, I think, as soon as elk season ends.

00:31:24.000 You go, you start your rewrite, and you wipe the slate clean, and you start polishing.

00:31:30.000 And when you're in that, when you're doing your comedy, do you have to stay in there to really, really do good at it?

00:31:38.000 That was what was always hard with me when people asked me to do articles.

00:31:42.000 Is there's certain times a year where I feel like I can write an article and it's really me.

00:31:48.000 And a lot of times it's when I'm coaching.

00:31:50.000 When I'm coaching and I'm seeing new people and I'm thinking about these things or I'm working on people's gear, I feel like I'm a good writer at that point.

00:32:01.000 But when someone hits me in the middle of a time where I'm like, In the middle of family vacations or if I'm in the middle of a mountain elk hunt, I just feel like I'm kind of forcing it.

00:32:17.000 Is it the same for you?

00:32:19.000 Do you get those windows where you're like, this is my window where I hang out with comics.

00:32:24.000 I just think about this stuff.

00:32:26.000 This is what I'm thinking about when I'm working out.

00:32:28.000 Well, I can never get out of shape.

00:32:30.000 Comedy is very critical to never really get out of shape.

00:32:33.000 Out of shape is like, this whole week I didn't do comedy.

00:32:37.000 That's as long as I'll give it.

00:32:38.000 You did to me.

00:32:38.000 You said some funny shit.

00:32:40.000 We were just having fun, though.

00:32:42.000 I know.

00:32:43.000 Yeah, but I can tell you're always thinking about it.

00:32:46.000 We bring up subjects I can't even think of.

00:32:49.000 A subject would come up.

00:32:51.000 The last night when Cam was there, and me, you, and Cam sat there, and then the girls finally came.

00:32:59.000 Towards the very end, we got on some subjects.

00:33:02.000 I was just looking around like, is anyone here?

00:33:06.000 Hopefully we have some privacy because we went down some rat holes, man.

00:33:11.000 But it was funny.

00:33:12.000 Well, that's the beautiful thing about comedy.

00:33:15.000 It's like everybody knows there's some subjects that you can't really bring up around a lot of people.

00:33:24.000 And those are the ones I like the most.

00:33:27.000 You know, those are the ones that, like, if I can sell those to thousands of people, if I'm in a room and there's 7,000, 10,000 people in the audience, and I can sell this super fucking dangerous idea.

00:33:46.000 Like, sometimes I say, I'm like, hear me out!

00:33:49.000 They're like, Jesus Christ, what are you saying?

00:33:52.000 But if you...

00:33:54.000 Have a point.

00:33:56.000 It's well thought out.

00:33:57.000 It's like they really appreciate that you took that crazy ass chance.

00:34:02.000 And then they're laughing with you like, I can't believe it.

00:34:05.000 I did a show last week.

00:34:10.000 We were in Chicago.

00:34:12.000 And I did this giant arena.

00:34:14.000 And Daniel Cormier, who's never seen me do stand-up before, came.

00:34:17.000 And afterwards, we were working together doing commentary the next day.

00:34:21.000 He grabbed me.

00:34:22.000 He's like, I can't believe It's like you gotta know that you have a point.

00:34:31.000 You gotta really have that, but you can't just say it for shock value.

00:34:36.000 Like for me, especially at this stage of my career, I'm in this very unusual stratosphere.

00:34:44.000 There's not that many people that are in this place.

00:34:48.000 I would argue that you are in a stratosphere of your own, dude.

00:34:53.000 You're at the top of this needle where you get away with shit that no one on this planet can get away with.

00:34:59.000 I don't know about that.

00:35:00.000 I think maybe other people would get away with it if they thought about the things that I was thinking about.

00:35:05.000 But it's this...

00:35:06.000 I don't think so.

00:35:09.000 I think about things a lot before I say them.

00:35:12.000 It's not like I'm just flippantly saying something that might hurt someone's feelings or piss somebody off.

00:35:18.000 I want to make sure I cover those bases.

00:35:21.000 You almost cover everyone's opinion within that arena.

00:35:26.000 Yeah, and you've got to start off with the people that are opposing you.

00:35:29.000 You've got to start off looking at it from the people.

00:35:31.000 You bait them in.

00:35:33.000 I've been there at times where I'm like...

00:35:35.000 Okay, he's wanting them to like him just for a minute because he's getting ready to shit on them.

00:35:43.000 I'm just luring them into a trap of logic.

00:35:46.000 Yesterday we were at the hotel and I'm walking around with my vegan cat shirt.

00:35:54.000 And I told you a story.

00:36:00.000 I was in Iowa and someone came up to me and it was a lady and she was legitimately triggered.

00:36:11.000 And she just said, do you kill cats?

00:36:15.000 Because I had this shirt that's one of Joe's shirts that has a cat with two X's on its eyes.

00:36:21.000 And it just says, hashtag, yeah, cartoon doll.

00:36:24.000 If you remember when cartoon animals would be dead, they would have X's for eyeballs.

00:36:28.000 Yep.

00:36:28.000 So it was hashtag vegan cat, which is, you know, obviously one of the parts of Joe's Netflix special from last year.

00:36:37.000 But I just looked at her and I said, no.

00:36:40.000 I said, I love cats.

00:36:42.000 And I said, I'm trying to raise awareness for people that are feeding their cats like a vegan and they're causing blindness in felines.

00:36:52.000 And she goes, what?

00:36:54.000 And I said, yeah, people quit feeding their cats meat and they become blind.

00:37:01.000 And I said, I'm trying to raise awareness.

00:37:03.000 And she's like, oh my God, I had no idea.

00:37:07.000 Thank you so much.

00:37:08.000 I'm going to start to raise awareness too.

00:37:10.000 People are so crazy.

00:37:12.000 Yesterday, I went to get a drink at the bar, and the girl that came over and served me, she stopped me yesterday, and she goes, do you hate cats?

00:37:25.000 And I go, why?

00:37:26.000 And she goes...

00:37:28.000 What does that shirt mean?

00:37:29.000 And she goes, I hope it's nice.

00:37:32.000 And I said, yeah, it's totally nice.

00:37:34.000 And she goes, great.

00:37:35.000 I'm a vegan and I love cats.

00:37:37.000 And I'm like, well, we're friends.

00:37:41.000 But yeah, that's one of the subjects right there.

00:37:44.000 That's one of the subjects where you got away with it, dude.

00:37:47.000 No one else could get away with it.

00:37:49.000 That one was a lot of work.

00:37:51.000 That was a lot of work, that one.

00:37:52.000 I had to, like, circumnavigate that terrain many times to figure out the right way to get that bit across.

00:37:59.000 Because that was a real thing that did happen.

00:38:01.000 A lady really did say a bunch of mean stuff to me.

00:38:04.000 And then I went to her account, and it said, hashtag vegan cat.

00:38:08.000 And I really did look at my watch and go, shit, should I look at this?

00:38:13.000 Like, I should go to bed right now.

00:38:15.000 And I know this is true because most of the time when Joe texts me something, it's within 30 minutes of when I wake up in the morning.

00:38:24.000 Because with the two hour difference, you're going to bed around 3.30 and I'm getting up around like 4, 4.30 and...

00:38:33.000 I do my best writing, for whatever reason, late at night.

00:38:37.000 And I think part of it's because my wife and my kids are asleep, and I'm usually coming home from the comedy store.

00:38:43.000 So I work, I do my sets, and then I come home, and then I write.

00:38:48.000 That's a good time to do it.

00:38:50.000 Yeah, because everyone's asleep, and my brain's fired up.

00:38:53.000 So usually I'm just hanging out with the dog and just writing.

00:38:56.000 And then I write until I'm too sleepy, and then I go to sleep.

00:38:59.000 But sometimes I get these sparks.

00:39:01.000 So I'm like a spark farmer.

00:39:05.000 I'm out there just trying to farm some sparks or a forager for sparks.

00:39:09.000 I'm looking for sparks.

00:39:10.000 Yeah.

00:39:11.000 And then I find a spark and I blow on that spark and I try to turn it into a flame.

00:39:17.000 And then I have to keep that flame alive.

00:39:19.000 And so then I have to keep working at it on stage and figuring out a way.

00:39:23.000 And then some people will boo me or they'll get mad at me.

00:39:26.000 And I go, that's not what I'm saying.

00:39:27.000 Yeah.

00:39:28.000 And then I have to figure out, okay, how do I stop the boo in its tracks?

00:39:32.000 Well, I've got to get to their argument before they do.

00:39:35.000 Yeah.

00:39:35.000 So I have to figure out a way.

00:39:37.000 It's such a good way to approach it, dude.

00:39:40.000 You're crafty.

00:39:41.000 It's sneaky.

00:39:43.000 It's obvious you're a black belt and a jiu-jitsu person.

00:39:47.000 Because you're baiting people.

00:39:48.000 I'm sneaking them in.

00:39:49.000 You're a baiting son of a bitch is what you are.

00:39:52.000 One of those things where it's like, I've been doing it now for more than 30 years.

00:39:56.000 It'll be 31 years this August.

00:40:00.000 It's crazy.

00:40:00.000 I'm trying to remember.

00:40:02.000 I remember you doing a show.

00:40:05.000 I don't know if you did a show at the Riviera, but I was shooting in Vegas, and I know it was late 90s or early 2000s, and you were doing a show there.

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:16.000 Yeah, I used to do shows there.

00:40:18.000 That was the only place I performed in Vegas.

00:40:19.000 Was it at Riviera?

00:40:21.000 Yeah.

00:40:21.000 I remember it then.

00:40:23.000 So that would have been, I'm sure it's 20 years ago, so you'd have been 10 years in.

00:40:28.000 Yep.

00:40:29.000 And I think, I remember some of my friends going and they were shocked.

00:40:38.000 Because they said, they're like, he is not filtered in his comedy compared to how he announces the UFC. Because you, like, there's no subjects off limits, is there?

00:40:52.000 Well, the UFC is a different job.

00:40:54.000 You know, it's very confusing for people, and I kind of sympathize with them because I have...

00:41:02.000 Two completely unrelated jobs.

00:41:04.000 Well, almost three.

00:41:05.000 You have three.

00:41:06.000 Because podcasting is sometimes funny, but many times not.

00:41:10.000 Sometimes I'm just talking to scientists.

00:41:12.000 Yeah.

00:41:12.000 And then sometimes I'm talking to scholars or educators.

00:41:16.000 The diversity is what has people hooked.

00:41:19.000 To me, that's how I view the world.

00:41:22.000 I don't need to be funny.

00:41:24.000 I don't ever try to be funny when I'm doing the UFC. My obligation when I'm doing the UFC is to give justice or to honor the hard work that these men and women have put into their training camp and to appreciate their effort and to appreciate their art,

00:41:43.000 the martial arts.

00:41:44.000 You're super serious about martial arts.

00:41:47.000 When people try to make that funny, you don't like it.

00:41:51.000 No.

00:41:51.000 Most of the time I don't.

00:41:53.000 I mean, unless something funny happens.

00:41:55.000 But it has to be organic.

00:41:56.000 If my balls are hot.

00:41:57.000 Yeah.

00:41:59.000 If something like that, yeah, that's just genuinely funny.

00:42:03.000 I'll laugh at that.

00:42:05.000 But for the most part, my job is to make it exciting for people that are listening and to sort of explain what's happening in terms of particularly the ground.

00:42:16.000 Like, people kind of understand when someone's throwing a kick or a punch.

00:42:19.000 And it's my job to point things out that I see patterns.

00:42:24.000 Sometimes I'll see someone moving.

00:42:25.000 I'm like, this guy is moving at a much higher level.

00:42:28.000 Sometimes that happens right before a guy gets knocked out.

00:42:31.000 I'll say, I see a big...

00:42:33.000 This past weekend, Ricardo Lamas was fighting Calvin Cater, and I said, I see a big difference between...

00:42:41.000 The striking level of Calvin Cater and Ricardo Lamas.

00:42:45.000 Calvin is just like, boom!

00:42:46.000 He lands a knockout blow.

00:42:47.000 Like, right after I said that.

00:42:49.000 Like, sometimes crazy.

00:42:50.000 Yeah.

00:42:50.000 It happens like that.

00:42:51.000 But that's important for...

00:42:54.000 For people at home, one of the reasons why some people like me as a commentator is because they know that I genuinely enjoy this.

00:43:04.000 This is not a job to me.

00:43:06.000 I don't think, oh, here I am working, I'm getting paid, I'm getting some money.

00:43:11.000 I don't think of that.

00:43:13.000 But I think it's like, first of all, I love the sport, and I genuinely appreciate what these guys are doing, what these girls are doing, and I just want to give...

00:43:23.000 I want to honor what they're doing.

00:43:24.000 I think anything you have interest in, you 100% come across as authentic.

00:43:30.000 And that's what people say they like about me is because they say, I feel like you are 100% authentic.

00:43:39.000 Sure, yeah.

00:43:59.000 Hey man, that's not me.

00:44:01.000 I would really like if you did it like this.

00:44:03.000 Or like, no.

00:44:05.000 We've done some polls and this is really what we want.

00:44:08.000 Which is why I left my network.

00:44:11.000 Because I realized if I go on to a live feed, people 100% get exactly how I feel.

00:44:19.000 And I think the more that they experience that...

00:44:23.000 Their radars of...

00:44:25.000 People's natural radars of who's legit and who's not, they're sensitive.

00:44:31.000 And I think it's the best thing in the world for people like me or you or Cam or any of these people that we know within their fields where they're real.

00:44:44.000 They're like real people within those fields.

00:44:48.000 Andy's a great example too.

00:44:50.000 He's like...

00:44:52.000 He's almost breaking the mold of what a lot of Navy SEALs are doing.

00:44:56.000 Is it fair to say that?

00:44:58.000 Because so many ride their past to try to build something, whereas Andy's almost...

00:45:08.000 Yeah.

00:45:26.000 That's what people are grasping for.

00:45:28.000 They're like, I really like that person that I'm seeing.

00:45:31.000 That's what I want more of.

00:45:33.000 Yeah, you're not produced.

00:45:34.000 When someone watches a knock-on, when you're doing a live stream or whether you're doing a podcast, you're not produced.

00:45:42.000 And that's the same with me.

00:45:44.000 I don't have anyone telling me to do it.

00:45:45.000 I've been in that situation where I had someone telling me what to do or what to say.

00:45:50.000 It's not as effective.

00:45:52.000 It's not as genuine.

00:45:54.000 It doesn't come across that way.

00:45:55.000 Yep.

00:45:57.000 I saw today, it's weird how your phone's a spy.

00:46:04.000 Today I got ads pulled up in my Instagram about travel coolers.

00:46:10.000 Whoa, because we were talking about coolers?

00:46:12.000 Yeah, last night at dinner.

00:46:13.000 How we were going to get our meat home.

00:46:16.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:46:17.000 Isn't it?

00:46:17.000 That's so weird.

00:46:18.000 It's crazy, crazy.

00:46:19.000 So it's listening to us?

00:46:20.000 It's listening, for sure.

00:46:22.000 Yeah.

00:46:23.000 Who can tell us what's happening?

00:46:26.000 I want to know.

00:46:28.000 I need to get someone on that tells me what the hell your phone is listening to.

00:46:32.000 Because that does happen to people all the time where all of a sudden their Google feed, their news feed has ads in it.

00:46:38.000 If that happens, will you get really high before they come on just so you can really trip out?

00:46:44.000 Yeah.

00:46:45.000 Because you'll be like, whoa!

00:46:48.000 Yeah.

00:46:48.000 You'll be deep into that.

00:46:50.000 I need to find out.

00:46:51.000 I need to find out how they're doing it and what they're doing.

00:46:53.000 Because that's weird.

00:46:53.000 Like, what if you were, like, planning a murder?

00:46:55.000 You had your phone on you.

00:46:56.000 Damn.

00:46:57.000 And the FBI knocks on your door.

00:46:58.000 And you're like, no, no, no.

00:46:59.000 I'm writing a book on murder.

00:47:02.000 And I'm planning it out with a friend to try to pretend that we were planning a murder so I could see how people talk when they're planning a murder.

00:47:11.000 So me and my friend was an actor.

00:47:13.000 But if you did do that, imagine if you did do that.

00:47:16.000 Like if you were like Jack Carr, right?

00:47:19.000 Our friend George Peterson.

00:47:20.000 He just gave me his two new books.

00:47:22.000 I brought mine here to read it, but we never had downtime.

00:47:27.000 We were having fun the whole time.

00:47:30.000 But say if Jack was writing a book, or George was writing a book, and he was trying to figure out...

00:47:36.000 Jack is his, we should say, his pseudonym that he uses for writing.

00:47:40.000 Jack Carr is his, yeah, it's his pen name.

00:47:43.000 His nom de pleur.

00:47:45.000 But if he was trying to figure out how someone would talk when they were setting up a murder...

00:47:50.000 And so we got together with an actor or a detective or someone and said, what would you say?

00:47:57.000 How would you talk about it?

00:47:58.000 What would you do?

00:47:59.000 What would be the steps?

00:48:00.000 And the phone picked that up and all of a sudden the FBI is knocking on its door.

00:48:03.000 He's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

00:48:04.000 I'm not murdering anybody.

00:48:05.000 I'm writing books.

00:48:07.000 Like, what are we doing here, folks?

00:48:09.000 What if you got an ad for, like, latex gloves, bleach, a 1987-18 minivan, gasoline, lighters, you'd be like, hmm,

00:48:24.000 okay.

00:48:25.000 I mean, I'm sure, honestly, I'm sure there's companies that would pay if they knew this guy is a buyer.

00:48:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:33.000 He's sketchy.

00:48:34.000 We don't care.

00:48:35.000 We're just trying to make money.

00:48:36.000 We don't know nothing.

00:48:36.000 Yeah, we don't know nothing.

00:48:38.000 I think that, you know, we're talking about, to get away from that, we're talking about when it comes to honesty.

00:48:44.000 There's never really been shows Where no one was telling anyone what to do.

00:48:52.000 There's never been, like, you think about how many downloads you get per episode.

00:48:57.000 What you get for your archery podcast is, like, a successful cable show.

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:04.000 Which is really crazy.

00:49:05.000 Yeah.

00:49:05.000 Right?

00:49:06.000 Think about how specific.

00:49:07.000 I get more downloads in two days on my podcast than what Friday night full draw at 8 o'clock on the Sportsman's Channel got when I had that slot.

00:49:20.000 I would only imagine that they can't compete because it's all watered down.

00:49:28.000 It doesn't resonate with people the same way.

00:49:33.000 People know that it's straight from your mouth and there's no one.

00:49:37.000 They go, oh, this is who John Dudley really is.

00:49:38.000 One of the things that people tell me when they meet me, they go, oh, you're like how you are on the podcast.

00:49:45.000 I'm like, yeah, that's me.

00:49:47.000 I don't have a boss.

00:49:48.000 But there's never been a thing like that where you don't have a boss and yet every episode reaches millions and millions of people.

00:49:56.000 If I could see the number of people, if I could be on a stage and look out.

00:50:01.000 I had Be Real from Cypress Hill on the podcast the other day.

00:50:05.000 That was a good one.

00:50:06.000 Amazing.

00:50:07.000 I love that guy.

00:50:07.000 I love him.

00:50:08.000 I love Cypress Hill.

00:50:09.000 But we showed video footage of when they were playing at Woodstock.

00:50:14.000 And that was a half a million people.

00:50:15.000 Well, if I have a half a million people listening to a podcast, that podcast sucked.

00:50:19.000 Like, something must have went wrong.

00:50:20.000 Yeah.

00:50:21.000 So think about the numbers, like, for a podcast that's like a killer podcast.

00:50:26.000 Yeah.

00:50:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:28.000 It's unbelievable.

00:50:30.000 Yeah, what were...

00:50:31.000 I mean, if you think back of, like, a really good band that sold out a stadium, what that number would be, and they're like, this is a legitimate, successful band.

00:50:42.000 Well, I feel like a really big, giant band could do like a football stadium.

00:50:48.000 They could do like 50,000 people or 70,000 people, which is, you know, unheard of, right?

00:50:55.000 Yeah.

00:50:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:57.000 Those are giant, giant numbers.

00:50:58.000 But that ain't shit for a podcast.

00:51:01.000 That ain't shit.

00:51:02.000 No.

00:51:02.000 So think about one of your podcasts is way bigger than a football stadium, which is really nuts, man.

00:51:07.000 Yeah.

00:51:07.000 It's really nuts.

00:51:08.000 It's cool.

00:51:09.000 There's never been anything like this.

00:51:10.000 And it's free.

00:51:11.000 It's free.

00:51:12.000 There's never been anything like this.

00:51:14.000 And there's never been anything where there's no filter.

00:51:16.000 You'd have to be using those Sitka knee pads for some other purposes back in the day.

00:51:21.000 Yeah, you'd need more than the Sitka knee pads.

00:51:24.000 Yeah.

00:51:25.000 You'd need more.

00:51:26.000 You'd need some thick ones.

00:51:30.000 Yeah, these calloused hands wouldn't be favorable.

00:51:35.000 It's cool though, man.

00:51:37.000 I mean, we came at the right time for this.

00:51:39.000 I mean, for you to have left the Sportsman's Channel and enter into this new world.

00:51:46.000 Isn't it awesome, though?

00:51:47.000 What I think is so cool is, and me and Cam talked about this, about the number of people that we get exposed to that we would have never got to hear their voice.

00:51:59.000 People that write just a super cool book, that have dedicated their lives to an awesome...

00:52:08.000 Mm-hmm.

00:52:09.000 Topic.

00:52:09.000 Yeah.

00:52:10.000 And you would have never, like, unless JRE was out there for you to go down some wormhole at 3 o'clock in the morning and be like, you know what, this dude, like, I got to get this guy on.

00:52:19.000 Yeah.

00:52:20.000 He's tripping me out with some of this information, and then you share it to millions and millions and millions and millions.

00:52:27.000 Yeah.

00:52:28.000 I mean, it makes, honestly, it makes mainstream, it makes it harder for him to lie.

00:52:35.000 Yeah.

00:52:35.000 Don't you think so?

00:52:37.000 It makes it harder for them to survive because they seem so corny.

00:52:41.000 You have a mainstream show that covers these subjects.

00:52:44.000 There's stupid music and dramatic reads.

00:52:49.000 It's obviously written and they don't get to just talk.

00:52:54.000 To discuss subjects, you need time.

00:52:58.000 To find out how someone really feels about a subject, you need time.

00:53:03.000 What these shows are trying to do is they're trying to create these gotcha moments where they're trying to catch people and misrepresent their position on things.

00:53:13.000 They're trying to create controversy because that's how they sold things in the past.

00:53:20.000 But people are getting tired of being bullshitted.

00:53:23.000 They're getting tired of it.

00:53:24.000 They want to know.

00:53:25.000 Like when I had Graham Hancock on the other day, It was a massively successful podcast.

00:53:32.000 Millions and millions of people downloaded it.

00:53:34.000 And it's about the origins of civilization on Earth, which is such a crazy subject.

00:53:40.000 To think that so many people would be fascinated by it, but they are.

00:53:44.000 But they were never represented before because it was never given to them in a way where you could just listen to the author, who is this incredibly well-researched guy, Incredibly articulate, has been passionate about the subject for decades, and who was also often maligned by mainstream archaeologists and scholars,

00:54:01.000 and now those mainstream archaeologists and scholars, through new evidence and new discoveries, have been forced to recognize that human beings Have existed in these more advanced civilizations than anyone ever thought before for many,

00:54:19.000 many, many years, thousands of years prior to when we had dated organized civilizations and cultures.

00:54:27.000 And it wasn't that these subjects weren't interesting before.

00:54:31.000 It's just that you didn't Get a chance to listen to someone talk about it non-stop without an interruption or without a producer saying you know what that part wasn't interesting right now there's gaps to where you leave someone the ability to intervene and say well no that's not accurate because he never mentioned this well actually he had but they edited it out.

00:54:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:53.000 You know, that'd be the person that'd be on like a PBS special and you're at the mercy of when they air it, how they break it up into their 22 minutes, and it doesn't give it the justice that, you know, obviously someone that's dedicated that much time where it deserved it.

00:55:10.000 Yeah.

00:55:10.000 You know, it's a new world.

00:55:13.000 And you and I got super lucky that we kind of stumbled into this new world.

00:55:18.000 You know, and I was listening to your podcast long before I met you.

00:55:22.000 And I watched your TV show, and then I found out about your podcast.

00:55:25.000 And then I was listening to your podcast, and I was saying, how crazy.

00:55:30.000 This guy's talking about, like, X10s and different flexchains and different configurations and helicals and all this shit.

00:55:37.000 Like, who the fuck is listening to this?

00:55:39.000 Right.

00:55:39.000 How can I write that into 1200 words?

00:55:41.000 You can't!

00:55:42.000 You can't!

00:55:43.000 Someone would be like, hey, we need a feature article.

00:55:46.000 Right.

00:55:47.000 1250. Cap it out.

00:55:49.000 But to me, it really resembled Poole in a way.

00:55:54.000 Because with Poole, there's all this talk about low deflection shafts or 13mm tips versus 12mm, 12.5mm carbon fiber shafts, maple butts versus ebony,

00:56:12.000 which is a stiffer, heavier weight, 19 inch balance points.

00:56:17.000 Yeah, they're using that for shafts.

00:56:20.000 A lot of the top, top players are using carbon shafts.

00:56:24.000 And the big name companies like Predator, they're making carbon shafts for cues and a lot of people swear by them.

00:56:31.000 They don't ding up like regular ones do.

00:56:33.000 But it's also like if I start talking to people, I mean I've been playing pool for...

00:56:42.000 20...

00:56:43.000 25 years?

00:56:45.000 Yeah, about 25 years I've been playing pool.

00:56:48.000 Like, pretty...

00:56:48.000 I mean, I never really stopped.

00:56:50.000 I mean, maybe a little bit when I was really getting heavily into video games.

00:56:53.000 I deviated a bit.

00:56:56.000 But...

00:56:57.000 For 25 years I've been playing pool and experimenting with different tips and layered tips versus buffalo hide tips versus cow hide versus pig tips.

00:57:08.000 All these different types of kinds of equipment.

00:57:14.000 You saying this right now is probably like when you listened to one of my first podcasts.

00:57:18.000 I think one of my first podcasts, or the top few, was because I kind of wanted to come out of the gate with, this is how deep I've gone.

00:57:27.000 And so I got James Park on, which I love James.

00:57:31.000 He's an awesome dude.

00:57:32.000 He's from Australia.

00:57:33.000 But this guy could have a doctorate in the aerodynamics of an aero.

00:57:39.000 That's probably one of the ones that tripped you out.

00:57:41.000 Probably.

00:57:42.000 But now you're talking pig tips on a pool cue.

00:57:44.000 I'm thinking, like, it's making sense where I'm like, well, duh.

00:57:48.000 Yeah.

00:57:49.000 Different density leather tips would totally make sense.

00:57:52.000 But I never even knew it existed.

00:57:54.000 Yeah.

00:57:55.000 Until right now.

00:57:56.000 And now I'm thinking, oh, shit.

00:57:57.000 Yeah.

00:57:58.000 Now I'm thinking, well, there's 50 different types of plastic.

00:58:03.000 Like, how many are they playing with Delrin?

00:58:05.000 Sure.

00:58:05.000 Then putting the pig dick on the top of it?

00:58:08.000 Are they using foreskin yet?

00:58:09.000 Like, what do you do?

00:58:10.000 Yeah.

00:58:11.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 And then there's also wrapped cues versus wrapless, the way you hold it, the way you grip it.

00:58:17.000 Some guys like to grip it with their wrists bent forward so there's less variation.

00:58:22.000 Some guys like to let the wrists go real loose and they cradle the cue in their hands.

00:58:28.000 There's all these different techniques and strategies.

00:58:32.000 It's also like finger punchers, right?

00:58:34.000 Some guys can punch that trigger and they can do it really accurately.

00:58:37.000 It's very few people.

00:58:39.000 That's the same thing with guys who have a death grip on the cue.

00:58:42.000 Some guys have a death grip on the cue and they can play really well.

00:58:45.000 Do I? No.

00:58:46.000 You don't have a death grip, but, you know, it's like anything else.

00:58:49.000 You would have to learn how to do it correctly, and then you would have to practice.

00:58:54.000 You know, I practice playing pool by myself mostly.

00:58:58.000 Most of the times when I play, I play by myself.

00:59:02.000 I wish I could do what Iron Man does where he talks to Jarvis and he expands stuff.

00:59:07.000 I want to do that on your brain when you're looking at angles on a...

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:12.000 Because when I'll break...

00:59:14.000 If I break, because Joe and I have played together a couple different times...

00:59:20.000 You look at the table and I can see, like, I know you're thinking, Joe.

00:59:25.000 When the thinking Joe's there, like, all the cogs are turning and you're doing your Rain Man thing.

00:59:30.000 I wish I knew how many different angles and shit you were looking at.

00:59:35.000 Well, I'll tell you if you want.

00:59:37.000 You know, I'll show it to you.

00:59:38.000 Like, we were talking about it a little bit the other day.

00:59:40.000 I was like, well, I have to go with the four.

00:59:43.000 I have to hit it with right-hand English because I have to wind up on the left-hand side of the five.

00:59:47.000 Because I want to drift down to the 6. It's so close to the 7. I don't have much room for error.

00:59:53.000 Are you playing your whole layout?

00:59:54.000 I play four balls ahead.

00:59:56.000 Always?

00:59:57.000 That's it?

00:59:57.000 No.

00:59:58.000 Sometimes I only play three balls ahead if it's a fairly easy rack, but sometimes I like to play four balls ahead.

01:00:04.000 If there's a cluster, then I know I have to break it out.

01:00:06.000 I can't fuck around.

01:00:08.000 I have to make sure that I'm on the high side of this ball because when I collide, when I make the shot, I have to hit that second ball or I won't be able to get out.

01:00:17.000 I'm trying to get out.

01:00:19.000 I'm not trying to just...

01:00:20.000 When I watch someone play...

01:00:22.000 Because everybody likes to say they know how to play pool, which is hilarious.

01:00:26.000 People come to my podcast studio, they're like, oh, you play pool?

01:00:29.000 Let's play some pool.

01:00:30.000 I knew you well enough to just say, I don't know shit about pool.

01:00:34.000 When you're like, do you play pool?

01:00:36.000 I'm like, nope.

01:00:37.000 How do I hold this thing?

01:00:38.000 But I watch how they make a ball.

01:00:41.000 If they just try to make a ball, I was like, oh, okay, you can't play pool.

01:00:45.000 You might be able to pocket some balls, but I'm going to fuck you up in the long run.

01:00:50.000 You might be able to make all the shots and run out.

01:00:53.000 And I'll say, congratulations.

01:00:54.000 That was a disaster.

01:00:55.000 You got out, but that was terrible.

01:00:57.000 I did that twice.

01:00:58.000 It can happen.

01:01:00.000 Yeah.

01:01:00.000 It's actually the perfect...

01:01:02.000 This is the perfect time to talk about when people try to argue with me why...

01:01:08.000 When they say, what I'm doing has worked and it's always worked.

01:01:12.000 And they're like, we know you teach that way.

01:01:16.000 The way that I teach...

01:01:18.000 I would say 80% of the people, it maximizes them to the best of their ability.

01:01:26.000 Are there a fraction of people that are like the exemptions to the rule?

01:01:32.000 Yeah.

01:01:33.000 And you can probably go and win a tournament.

01:01:36.000 You could probably, at some point in your career, if you go to enough major events, you'll win one.

01:01:42.000 Doing it your way.

01:01:46.000 But I'm certain that what I'm teaching will get the mass majority of people more production over a long run.

01:01:57.000 They'll be more effective.

01:01:59.000 Right?

01:01:59.000 It's the right way to do it.

01:02:00.000 Is it the same?

01:02:01.000 Yes.

01:02:01.000 It's like, I beat you two games of pool, but to me that's like, you know, if you freaking throw three things out of the window...

01:02:11.000 You know, one every hundred times is gonna land where you think it might land, but it's just chance.

01:02:18.000 Well, we're playing on an 8x4, which is a smaller table, and it has buckets for holes.

01:02:23.000 I like those buckets.

01:02:24.000 All those things factor in.

01:02:27.000 And, you know, the table that I have in my studio sucks.

01:02:31.000 It's brutal, man.

01:02:32.000 That's a brutal table.

01:02:33.000 That's like one of those metal targets that has the softball-sized hole.

01:02:37.000 That's exactly what it is.

01:02:38.000 And you shoot at 40 yards.

01:02:39.000 It's an iron buck target every shot.

01:02:41.000 I'm like, dude, I swear I would have made this shot at my old table at home, and you're like, yeah, these pockets are a little smaller.

01:02:47.000 I'm like, They're four inches.

01:02:49.000 They're an inch and a half shorter than a regulation pocket.

01:02:52.000 Yeah.

01:02:52.000 But that's how I practice.

01:02:56.000 By the way, the last podcast I did with Joe on the JRE, there was a few people that said I might have gone too far on the drink.

01:03:06.000 Just so everyone knows, Joe was beating my ass for about three hours on the pool table on these small ass pockets.

01:03:15.000 So I was just like drinking my sorrow away.

01:03:19.000 And about the time he was all warmed up and had enough of me, he said, let's podcast.

01:03:24.000 I'm like, I thought we were podcasting tomorrow.

01:03:25.000 He's like, no, let's just go now.

01:03:27.000 Yeah, that was a rough one.

01:03:30.000 You didn't win a single game that time.

01:03:31.000 That was rough.

01:03:32.000 That fucking table's rough, man.

01:03:34.000 That table's rough.

01:03:35.000 It was.

01:03:35.000 But that's my practice table.

01:03:37.000 That's like putting that Outdoorsman Atlas pack on and running up hills.

01:03:42.000 That's like me taking you right to the tack and being like, alright, bitch.

01:03:45.000 Yeah, 120 yards, hit that sheep.

01:03:48.000 Yep, 37 degree angle.

01:03:50.000 Good luck.

01:03:51.000 No range finder.

01:03:53.000 Exactly.

01:03:53.000 I hope you've learned some stuff.

01:03:56.000 It's, you know, there's levels.

01:03:58.000 There's levels to everything.

01:03:59.000 And one of the things that I learned very early on when I became obsessed with martial arts was how important technique is.

01:04:07.000 Yeah.

01:04:07.000 To generate power.

01:04:09.000 To generate real power.

01:04:11.000 And to do things correctly.

01:04:13.000 Can you name one field where that's not important?

01:04:15.000 I can't.

01:04:16.000 The principles.

01:04:17.000 Yeah.

01:04:17.000 No, I can't.

01:04:18.000 Comedy, it's with everything.

01:04:20.000 Like Joey Diaz, when you see Joey on stage, he's so wild and crazy and his comedy is so out there.

01:04:28.000 You think maybe there's no technique to it, but he's one of the best technicians He knows exactly what he's doing.

01:04:36.000 But he's such an amazing technician because he has the best economy of words.

01:04:42.000 Like here's a Joey Diaz joke that I love.

01:04:44.000 He goes, I like transvestites.

01:04:46.000 They cook, they clean.

01:04:48.000 You can beat on them every once in a while.

01:04:50.000 The cops come, who they're going to believe?

01:04:52.000 Me or some dude with a wig and a black eye.

01:04:55.000 Those jokes, that's a great bit.

01:04:58.000 And the jokes come at you before you know where he's going.

01:05:02.000 The cops come, who are they going to believe, me or some dude with a wig and a black eye?

01:05:07.000 That's a brilliant joke.

01:05:09.000 But it's that economy of words.

01:05:12.000 And that's like a skill.

01:05:14.000 When you see a comic and they have too many words before they get to the punchline, either that's a new joke and they're trying to figure out how to say it, which I do, when I have new jokes.

01:05:23.000 I'll oftentimes go back and listen to old recordings of a joke that I'm doing like three months later where I've got it down.

01:05:30.000 I'll go back and listen to how I started doing it three months ago and it's embarrassing.

01:05:34.000 It's terrible because there's so many extra words in it.

01:05:37.000 It's so meandering.

01:05:39.000 So there's technique to everything, man.

01:05:42.000 Everything.

01:05:43.000 But in martial arts...

01:05:45.000 The consequences of having poor technique are the most devastating.

01:05:50.000 Because you're going to get hit.

01:05:51.000 Or you're going to get strangled.

01:05:53.000 Or you're going to get your arms snapped.

01:05:55.000 The technique in martial arts is super, super critical.

01:06:00.000 It's everything.

01:06:01.000 Do you think there's people that could just focus on five basic principles of like jujitsu and just merc and that's all they do but they do it so well they can just wait on it perfectly?

01:06:15.000 There's a guy named John Donaher who has done an amazing job in training these killers just incredible athletes who've been able to beat people with far more experience than them Because John, who was a philosophy major in college,

01:06:33.000 and he's a brilliant man, a true genius, has figured out a way to cut to the chase and figure out what is most important.

01:06:41.000 What am I trying to achieve?

01:06:43.000 And what are the barriers to trying to achieve this?

01:06:47.000 He's figured out a way to apply that to his students.

01:06:50.000 And it teaches students in this way that cuts the learning curve down radically.

01:06:56.000 And because of that, he's developed these guys like Gary Tonin or Gordon Ryan or Nicky Ryan.

01:07:02.000 These guys who have not been doing Jiu Jitsu, relatively haven't been doing Jiu Jitsu near as long as their competitors, but are far more effective.

01:07:10.000 Yep.

01:07:12.000 I've seen some of his stuff.

01:07:13.000 Yeah, he's genius, man.

01:07:15.000 He's genius.

01:07:16.000 But it's the analysis.

01:07:21.000 What it is is a superior intellect that applies that superior intellect to something where people may not have been as focused.

01:07:30.000 And there's also a problem with jiu-jitsu where a lot of people just like to roll.

01:07:35.000 They just like to spar because it's fun.

01:07:37.000 You learn a couple techniques and then you try to get each other.

01:07:40.000 Because it's fun.

01:07:41.000 It's a fun thing to do.

01:07:42.000 But the best way to do it is to drill.

01:07:44.000 And the really best way to do it is to drill with intent and an understanding of each...

01:07:50.000 Like a very detailed, comprehensive understanding of each position.

01:07:54.000 And what's the danger of not having inside control...

01:07:58.000 What's the danger of not having the underhook?

01:08:02.000 See, that's what, for me, that's what I feel like.

01:08:06.000 Some of the places where I've gone and done jujitsu, they're not explaining, so it's hard for me to absorb.

01:08:13.000 Because I think just based on my background...

01:08:16.000 I'm wanting to know the basics and the whys and the drills, and I'm totally comfortable just being in the drills.

01:08:24.000 Just being in the drills to where it's hard for me to want to learn something new because I know that I'm not doing what you told me before good enough for me to say, okay, I feel like I'm doing that without having to We're good to go.

01:09:00.000 I cycle things in when I feel like I've absorbed something that I've already worked on.

01:09:07.000 It's like that with students.

01:09:09.000 You know, Andy said it before.

01:09:10.000 He goes, a year in you tell me something where you just now tell me it and I look at you and I'm like, a year ago I was doing this, right?

01:09:20.000 And you knew it.

01:09:20.000 And I'm like, well yeah, of course I knew it.

01:09:23.000 But it wasn't relevant.

01:09:24.000 Right.

01:09:26.000 You're ready now to know.

01:09:28.000 Right.

01:09:28.000 Right now, you're ready to know.

01:09:30.000 And I almost feel like it's better, at least for some people.

01:09:33.000 For me, I feel like it would be that way because I would always be thinking back to, well, why was I doing that?

01:09:40.000 Why?

01:09:41.000 Or deep down, I know I'm not doing it good enough.

01:09:45.000 Like, I'm not doing it efficient enough.

01:09:47.000 Whereas sometimes I've gone with people and they're like, we just roll...

01:09:53.000 Because eventually you'll just start to realize why it's important.

01:09:59.000 Honestly, the places where I've stopped going is those places because I'm like, I don't feel like I learned that way.

01:10:06.000 Well, one of the things that we do at Tenth Planet...

01:10:11.000 Eddie breaks things down into paths and paths where people escape and then paths where people counter.

01:10:18.000 Sometimes you'll have a path where you will pass someone's guard, move in the mount, go for the arm bar, they defend the arm bar, then they wind up on top, then they pass, and then they go into an arm triangle or some other submission.

01:10:34.000 So the person who is initially attacking winds up being the person who gets submitted.

01:10:39.000 And you'll do this path and drill this path and you basically, it's almost like a choreographed sequence of events that will take place in sparring.

01:10:50.000 Like where you'll catch yourself in an arm bar, you defend that arm bar and then all of a sudden you find yourself inside control and then you find yourself submitting someone with this very same sequence of events.

01:11:02.000 And that just builds your understanding of the positions and understanding of like what can take place from those positions.

01:11:10.000 Like there's certain arm bars that you can catch while someone's going for a twister or while someone's in the truck or someone's in these various positions and until you're there you don't really know it so that to do it in like a very clear path.

01:11:24.000 So all the warm-ups that we do We'll be these pathways.

01:11:28.000 Yeah.

01:11:29.000 And I think it's important, too.

01:11:31.000 You know, there's people that say they listen to me and they just say, you know, I just don't get it.

01:11:37.000 For whatever reason, I don't like what Dudley's talking about.

01:11:40.000 I get it.

01:11:41.000 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 I think that's stubbornness.

01:11:43.000 It's an ego thing.

01:11:44.000 I've gone to places, I think sometimes, but I've gone to places where, for whatever reason, I'm hearing the same thing, but it's easier to take it in.

01:11:55.000 Even though it seems like it's the same information, it seems like there's some teachers that are really good at teaching, and there's some teachers that have been taught how to teach, and it comes across that way, and it's hard to soak it in.

01:12:10.000 Well, it's also the personality of the people that are teaching you.

01:12:12.000 Sometimes you don't want to learn from somebody.

01:12:15.000 You don't like them.

01:12:16.000 You don't like the way they're talking, or maybe they're arrogant, and maybe that arrogance comes off as...

01:12:20.000 You want to prove them wrong instead of just listening.

01:12:23.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:12:26.000 Well, the last thing we should talk about is probably where we started this trip, grilling.

01:12:32.000 Because you and I are both passionate about cooking food.

01:12:35.000 Yeah.

01:12:36.000 We eat what we kill, right?

01:12:38.000 Yeah.

01:12:39.000 And you were...

01:12:42.000 You were on a different grill path, weren't you?

01:12:46.000 I mean, I kept telling you like, dude, I don't know a lot about this Traeger, but man, it's like changed my life.

01:12:55.000 Well, I was doing things very hot, and I had a yoder that has a direct heat element, and the direct heat aspect of it was you'd have these grill grates that you'd put down, and you would turn up the flames very,

01:13:12.000 very, very high, and I would cook on these grill grates, and you'd put these grill marks on the meat.

01:13:19.000 It was drying out the meat, though.

01:13:21.000 And until Chad, whiskey-bent barbecue...

01:13:24.000 Yeah, Chad Ward.

01:13:25.000 Chad Ward on Instagram.

01:13:27.000 Hollow.

01:13:28.000 Until he explained it to me, the idea of the reverse sear, cooking things low and slow and then searing them at the end, I really didn't get it.

01:13:37.000 And then once I started cooking like that, I'm like, oh, okay.

01:13:40.000 I get mad when I go to a restaurant, a good restaurant, and they cook the steak bad.

01:13:45.000 Isn't that a bummer?

01:13:46.000 It's a bummer.

01:13:46.000 We talk about that.

01:13:47.000 It happens all the time.

01:13:48.000 Dude, what did we cook?

01:13:49.000 Night one, when Sharon and I flew in, did we cook cowboy steaks?

01:13:55.000 Rib-eyes?

01:13:56.000 Bone-in rib-eyes?

01:13:57.000 We got some rib-eyes, yeah.

01:13:58.000 We ate those at the house.

01:14:01.000 So you've got the new Ironwood.

01:14:03.000 Yes.

01:14:04.000 It's not the highest-end Traeger.

01:14:07.000 It's the next one in line.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, it's not that expensive.

01:14:10.000 But for someone that's buying one in a store, dude.

01:14:13.000 Well, I had an Ironwood before.

01:14:15.000 You had a Timberline.

01:14:16.000 Excuse me, a Timberline before.

01:14:18.000 And they wanted to give me the Ironwood because it's the newest version with the D2 motor.

01:14:27.000 They didn't have the new Timberline out yet.

01:14:31.000 You know what, man?

01:14:32.000 If you're on a budget, I mean, it's phenomenal.

01:14:35.000 I have no complaints.

01:14:36.000 I have the 650. I had the Timberline 1300 before, but this Ironwood 650 is amazing.

01:14:43.000 It's so good, and I love the app.

01:14:46.000 One of the best things for me for Traeger is the app and the fact that I can adjust the temperature of the grill on my phone.

01:14:51.000 Yeah.

01:14:52.000 And then also I could find recipes.

01:14:54.000 Like, I cooked lobster tails the other day, and I got the recipe directly from my phone.

01:14:58.000 And I went to the grocery store, I got the ingredients based on that, and I cooked it on the Traeger with my phone.

01:15:07.000 What did you tell me you cooked at, I think you said you cooked something only at 225 just so you could use a super smoke.

01:15:14.000 Well, I've been doing that a lot with roasts.

01:15:17.000 Oh, really?

01:15:17.000 Yeah, I've been doing that a lot.

01:15:19.000 I really like that Super Smoke, man.

01:15:21.000 It just, it does something to the, I love that smoky flavor that you get.

01:15:26.000 I think it's one of the best things about pellet grills.

01:15:28.000 And I think, I've had a lot of pellet grills.

01:15:31.000 You know, the Traeger's the best.

01:15:33.000 It's the best.

01:15:34.000 It's the best at maintaining temperature.

01:15:36.000 It gets to temperature better.

01:15:39.000 It's the easiest to work.

01:15:40.000 It's so stable, too.

01:15:42.000 I've had some complicated ones where it cooked good, but you had to read the manual to figure out how to do things.

01:15:49.000 Traeger's just straightforward.

01:15:52.000 But pellet grills, without a doubt, are my favorite way to cook food because you're just getting fire and wood.

01:15:59.000 There's no nonsense.

01:16:00.000 There's no charcoal, lighter fluid.

01:16:02.000 There's no briquettes.

01:16:04.000 It's just wood and fire.

01:16:07.000 It's a pellet that's repetitive.

01:16:09.000 Yeah, and what they've figured out how to do, first of all, it's so efficient.

01:16:14.000 The Traeger uses so little pellets.

01:16:17.000 Like, I fill that hopper once.

01:16:19.000 I go five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten cooks.

01:16:23.000 I mean, it's a foot deep of pellets.

01:16:27.000 And it takes forever to run through that.

01:16:30.000 We were eating those ribeyes that night, and we're like, dude.

01:16:33.000 It's as good as you're ever going to get.

01:16:34.000 I haven't gone anywhere where I would say, I need to know how this guy's doing this, because it's better than what I'm making at home.

01:16:41.000 No.

01:16:41.000 They were definitely as good as anything I've ever got.

01:16:46.000 Ever.

01:16:46.000 Yeah, and it's so easy to use.

01:16:49.000 And to do it at 225, and I love the fact that Traeger has that probe, and you can stick the probe in there, and you read it on your phone.

01:16:56.000 With the app?

01:16:57.000 Yeah.

01:16:58.000 Harry has his first apartment right now.

01:17:03.000 And actually, it's the summer.

01:17:05.000 He's in a research project, which is pretty cool.

01:17:09.000 But I don't think he realized that the school wasn't cooking food because he was in his apartment one night and he sent a text to Sharon that said, campus is closed, we can't get food there, so we've got to do our own.

01:17:23.000 And he goes, do you think Dad could cook for us some nights?

01:17:27.000 And so she's like, you need to cook for him.

01:17:30.000 So I told him, I said, you want me to do, I forgot what I said, we did a brisket.

01:17:36.000 I said, I'll cook a brisket for your guys.

01:17:39.000 So I started it at night.

01:17:41.000 I literally woke up at three in the morning.

01:17:46.000 Grabbed my phone next to my bed, opened it up, told me that the brisket was at like 159. I got up, went outside, put the brisket in a big foil pan, wrapped it all in there, put in a little bit of juice,

01:18:02.000 sealed it all up, bumped the temp up to 275, put it back in the grill, closed it, and just set the alarm for when the brisket hit 204. Like, set the alarm on my app.

01:18:15.000 So the next morning at 9am, bing, it goes off.

01:18:19.000 The briskets at 204, I took it out, set it in a Yeti, and just left it in there until the guys came home after their 10 mile run for that day and just sliced it and it was ready to go.

01:18:30.000 Amazing.

01:18:30.000 It was perfect.

01:18:31.000 Yeah, it's the perfect combination of technology.

01:18:34.000 You know how much shit I ruined on a freaking propane Weber?

01:18:37.000 Oh yeah.

01:18:38.000 Oh yeah, or charcoal grill.

01:18:40.000 Yeah, I had a Kamado, you know, one of those ceramic grills, which is great.

01:18:46.000 It's great until you use a pellet grill.

01:18:49.000 Yeah.

01:18:49.000 And then, you know, my wife was like, get rid of this stupid thing.

01:18:53.000 Like, you don't even use it.

01:18:54.000 I'm like, but it looks cool.

01:18:55.000 Well, it's like people that say you need to learn how to start a fire with, like, two sticks.

01:19:01.000 No, you don't.

01:19:01.000 Yeah, I can do it, but I also can buy a Bic lighter at the gas station when I'm filling up my car.

01:19:06.000 It's 90 cents!

01:19:09.000 That's what I really need now.

01:19:10.000 I mean, look, it's a good survival skill if you really do find yourself.

01:19:16.000 And I know some guys like to just bring, like, a flint and some...

01:19:22.000 I get it.

01:19:23.000 Cotton swabs are filled with Vaseline.

01:19:25.000 Hey, Schneider likes to shoot a traditional bow.

01:19:28.000 I don't get that.

01:19:28.000 More power to him.

01:19:30.000 I don't get that.

01:19:31.000 But then other people say, why are you shooting a bow when you can shoot a rifle?

01:19:33.000 Right?

01:19:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:35.000 Yeah, we're in that category, damn it.

01:19:37.000 We're freaking idiots, too.

01:19:39.000 Well, the argument for that is these damn deer, these axis deer.

01:19:45.000 I met some hunters this morning, real nice guys, and one of the guys, he got his first big game animal today with a rifle.

01:19:54.000 So they were there for half an hour and they shot a deer.

01:19:57.000 Yep.

01:19:57.000 We hunted for five days for me.

01:20:00.000 I struck out five days in a row.

01:20:02.000 Until finally I connected on the sixth day with that beautiful buck.

01:20:08.000 Well dude, we're flashing on one bar of battery.

01:20:14.000 Oh, run out of battery?

01:20:15.000 Do you have a charger?

01:20:17.000 Well, do you have a thing to plug in?

01:20:18.000 I have a plug-in, but do we have a plug-in?

01:20:21.000 Yeah.

01:20:21.000 Is there a plug-in close by?

01:20:22.000 Yeah, there's gotta be.

01:20:23.000 There's gotta be some outlet here.

01:20:25.000 Well, if you can figure that part out.

01:20:26.000 Should we just bail on us?

01:20:28.000 I don't see any.

01:20:29.000 We're quitters.

01:20:30.000 Yeah, let's just bail.

01:20:31.000 Damn it.

01:20:31.000 I don't think there's any power here.

01:20:33.000 Well, dude, this was awesome.

01:20:35.000 Hey, my brother, listen, it's always a good time hanging with you.

01:20:39.000 I love hunting with you.

01:20:40.000 Thanks for teaching me about archery.

01:20:43.000 Hey, the next time we see each other, do you know who we're going to be introducing to archery?

01:20:47.000 To bow hunting?

01:20:48.000 Who?

01:20:49.000 Jocko.

01:20:49.000 Oh, that's right!

01:20:50.000 That's right!

01:20:52.000 Jocko's first bow hunt is going to be archery elk in Utah.

01:20:56.000 Oh, dude.

01:20:56.000 That's amazing.

01:20:57.000 We have an awesome camp.

01:20:58.000 This is going to be legit.

01:21:00.000 That's going to be legit.

01:21:01.000 Oh, we'll be doing some podcasts from there, folks.

01:21:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:03.000 Don't you worry.

01:21:04.000 I wonder if he'll still act as tough and cool as he is.

01:21:08.000 I think he's going to keep it together.

01:21:09.000 I think he'll probably be pretty stoic and just listen.

01:21:13.000 He's a good learner.

01:21:15.000 People with that position, they know how to learn.

01:21:18.000 He's a black belt in jiu-jitsu too.

01:21:20.000 You don't get to be a black belt unless you're a good learner.

01:21:22.000 Yeah.

01:21:23.000 You might have to beat it into him, but...

01:21:25.000 I don't think so.

01:21:26.000 I don't think so.

01:21:27.000 I think he's just going to listen.

01:21:28.000 Would it be fun if he missed his first one and the elk just schooled his ass?

01:21:33.000 Where he thought he could just tough it out?

01:21:36.000 I would like to see him get a fucking 10 ring.

01:21:39.000 That's what I want to see.

01:21:40.000 I want to see an elk drop the way my elk dropped at Tejon.

01:21:44.000 Where he just stepped four steps and just tipped over.

01:21:47.000 That's what we all do this for.

01:21:48.000 You say it.

01:21:49.000 I say it.

01:21:50.000 Cam says it.

01:21:53.000 I don't know.

01:21:54.000 I'm so thankful that that day that you couldn't go, that I asked Cam to go with me, because that was the first time that we've hunted together, and I would say, I mean, we were both at UA for 12 years together,

01:22:12.000 never had hunted together.

01:22:14.000 And it was pretty cool.

01:22:16.000 Once you get in a situation, especially a hunting situation, where it's life or death for what you're pursuing.

01:22:26.000 The movements that you make and the choices you make, they really define, they do define you.

01:22:33.000 And whether people out there like me or don't like me or like Cam or don't like Cam, all I can say is when we were in the moments that we were in, that's the ultimate litmus test for me.

01:22:48.000 Like a hunting situation for me is a litmus test for a person.

01:22:51.000 For you, I think it's someone that actually goes into a real fight, right?

01:22:56.000 It's a lot of things.

01:22:57.000 It's comedy.

01:22:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:59.000 I've gotten to become friends with someone, and then I watch them on stage, and I'm like, oh, I can't be friends with you anymore.

01:23:04.000 Really?

01:23:05.000 Yes.

01:23:06.000 I was like, oh my God, you're terrible.

01:23:07.000 But then are there times where you're like, this guy I don't really know, but then when you see him, you're like, you know what?

01:23:14.000 Like, 100%.

01:23:15.000 You got my respect right now.

01:23:17.000 Oh, 100%.

01:23:17.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 And that's where it was at.

01:23:19.000 You know, I can...

01:23:20.000 I'm truly...

01:23:25.000 I'm truly respectful and I'm honest when I say that.

01:23:30.000 Yeah.

01:23:30.000 Like, you know, I wouldn't have had Cam on my podcast if I wouldn't have said that it was an eye-opening experience for me.

01:23:37.000 I had a very, very good time with him.

01:23:41.000 And I think we both...

01:23:45.000 Kind of found a different appreciation for each other.

01:23:47.000 He's an awesome guy.

01:23:48.000 I love him to death.

01:23:50.000 So it's so cool for me to see you guys become friends.

01:23:54.000 Yeah.

01:23:54.000 It really is.

01:23:55.000 It's amazing.

01:23:56.000 I think comedy and bowhunting have one thing in common is that it's so difficult to get to that elite level.

01:24:04.000 Then once you meet someone, it's like, how many are there?

01:24:09.000 I mean, how many, like, legit elite bowhunters are there?

01:24:12.000 Are there even 500 on Earth?

01:24:14.000 Oh, God.

01:24:15.000 It would be way smaller.

01:24:17.000 Same with comedy.

01:24:17.000 Way smaller.

01:24:18.000 Same with comedy.

01:24:19.000 I think it's probably the same thing.

01:24:20.000 I mean, I know I would offend people where people would be like, what?

01:24:24.000 I'm not on that list?

01:24:25.000 But I think...

01:24:27.000 It's really small.

01:24:29.000 And I'm talking on, like, not just a good level.

01:24:35.000 I'm talking on a level where if someone said, listen, dude, you have, like, ten cards to play.

01:24:44.000 And these cards, every card has to hit.

01:24:48.000 Who are the people on this card?

01:24:52.000 Yeah.

01:24:52.000 It's small, man.

01:24:54.000 Small.

01:24:55.000 It's small.

01:24:55.000 Is that fair to say?

01:24:57.000 Yes.

01:24:58.000 It's 100% fair.

01:25:00.000 Yeah.

01:25:00.000 I think there's many things in life that are similar.

01:25:02.000 And there's a lot of different personalities within those.

01:25:05.000 Some people have different personalities.

01:25:07.000 Some people get to the same place with a different path.

01:25:11.000 And sometimes it's abrasive.

01:25:14.000 Sometimes they're the fan favorite.

01:25:16.000 But in the end, the people that are within that realm...

01:25:20.000 It's like the Big Brother house.

01:25:22.000 There's people that people are rooting for, and there's people that people are like, I don't know how that guy got there.

01:25:29.000 It doesn't matter.

01:25:29.000 He's there.

01:25:30.000 Yeah.

01:25:31.000 Right?

01:25:31.000 It's that old expression, game recognizes game.

01:25:34.000 Yeah.

01:25:35.000 Yeah.

01:25:35.000 Let's leave it at that.

01:25:36.000 My brother.

01:25:37.000 Love you.

01:25:38.000 Cheers, brother.

01:25:39.000 All right, everybody.

01:25:40.000 Bye, everybody.

01:25:40.000 See ya.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 21, 2019

Swapcast - Podcast On A Plane with John Dudley (Audio Only)

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