The John-Henry Westen Show - August 22, 2025


AUSCP Unmasked： The Battle for Catholic Orthodoxy


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00:00:00.000 Even though they don't want it on the printed page saying, yeah, we want women priests and
00:00:04.320 women bishops and a woman pope, that's very clearly what they do desire.
00:00:10.100 What if I told you that just last week there was a conference of priests in America held
00:00:18.700 where two sitting bishops participated in which they discussed not only mundane things like the
00:00:26.500 ordination of women, priests and bishops, but how about discussing masturbation or self-abuse
00:00:34.220 as a beautiful thing, especially right after prayer?
00:00:39.480 Oh yeah, we've got that from someone who is staying in the same hotel and he's none other
00:00:46.000 than Michael Hichborn, who if you don't know him yet, you need to because he and his Lepanto
00:00:52.040 Institute have exposed some of the most horrific corruption in the church today, all with a
00:00:58.160 view to bringing things back to Orthodoxy.
00:01:01.360 Michael, so good to be with you.
00:01:03.040 Thanks so much for having me on, John Henry.
00:01:04.640 Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.
00:01:07.660 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
00:01:12.100 Amen.
00:01:13.480 So my friend, you get around to all of the places where A, you're not wanted.
00:01:18.600 B, it's going to be, it might even be dangerous for you, but you do it anyway, but you do so
00:01:27.020 with a heart actually for those who are tending to try and bring them back to truth, which I
00:01:33.000 think is just beautiful.
00:01:34.420 They don't see it that way.
00:01:35.780 I think they regard you pretty much as enemy number one.
00:01:39.100 Yeah.
00:01:39.320 In fact, I did have a drink with one of the AUSCP priests who sat down with me and he just
00:01:47.320 started chatting to me, you know, asked who I was and just my name and what I do.
00:01:52.180 And I just kind of gave very bland, very nondescript answers.
00:01:55.860 And so then he sat down and said, oh, well, we're here with the Association of U.S.
00:01:59.480 Catholic priests and we're doing this and that.
00:02:01.380 He just kind of sat there and talked and talked and talked.
00:02:03.920 And a lot of his stuff was kind of peppered with gay this and homosexual that.
00:02:08.440 And, you know, I thought it was very odd.
00:02:10.740 Well, the next day he saw me in the hallway and he stopped me and he said, what's your
00:02:15.500 name really?
00:02:16.860 And I said, what do you mean?
00:02:17.940 I said, my name is Michael.
00:02:18.960 I told you.
00:02:19.880 And he said, well, are you are you the spokesman for some organization?
00:02:23.660 And I said, well, yes, I'm the head of the Lepanto Institute.
00:02:25.680 He goes, ah, Lepanto Institute.
00:02:27.240 He said, you're not very friendly to this organization, are you?
00:02:29.860 I said, well, not typically.
00:02:31.880 And and he said he started going on.
00:02:35.040 He said, look, I got pulled aside the other day after I sat down to talk to you.
00:02:38.780 And and I was told by some other people that I was sitting down and having drinks with the
00:02:44.740 enemy.
00:02:45.560 Those were his words, the enemy.
00:02:47.420 And I said, Father, I'm not here to be your enemy.
00:02:50.340 I am here to pray for you.
00:02:52.440 And then he went on about how well you need to change your understanding of the church and
00:02:56.400 you need to understand, change your understanding of of how the church operates.
00:02:59.900 I said, well, it starts with doctrine.
00:03:01.280 He said, yes, but you have to understand how what doctrine is.
00:03:04.500 We're not changing doctrine.
00:03:05.860 I said, OK, well, what about Catholic morality?
00:03:08.360 And he said he said, well, Catholic morality comes from your understanding of doctrine.
00:03:13.260 And he just kind of went on.
00:03:14.760 But all of this steeped in modernism, changing our understanding of a reality without changing
00:03:21.360 the reality itself is exactly what the AUSCP is all about.
00:03:25.680 Unbelievable.
00:03:26.140 OK, so the Association of United States Catholic Priests, a yearly meeting they
00:03:31.260 held, and it's being attended by two sitting bishops of the United States.
00:03:37.260 Who are they?
00:03:37.720 Bishop John Stowe of Lexington, Kentucky, is an actual member of the AUSCP.
00:03:43.100 And Archbishop John Wester, who is the Episcopal moderator for the AUSCP, was also in attendance.
00:03:50.940 I saw them both.
00:03:52.940 In fact, Bishop Stowe kind of addressed the Lepanto Institute or the Lepanto people in one
00:03:59.600 of his sessions, decrying my organization and saying that, well, you know, we've probably
00:04:05.820 given them enough material this time around.
00:04:08.280 And I said, well, you really have no idea.
00:04:12.200 OK, this is really odd because in times previous, previous to Francis, I know it's been a long
00:04:20.620 time, but nonetheless, if a bishop were to advocate for women priests, they would get disciplined,
00:04:31.060 sometimes even removed if they were unwilling to recant.
00:04:35.200 But this organization is very upfront about promoting women's ordination, not only to the
00:04:42.280 diaconate, which seems to be in vogue nowadays, but also to the priesthood and even beyond.
00:04:48.020 Let us know about that.
00:04:49.500 So it's very true.
00:04:51.300 We've got several reports that we've put together showing how the AUSCP wants to have
00:04:56.040 these priestless parishes.
00:04:57.240 And, you know, they're using it as a stepping stone, saying, well, we need to have these
00:05:01.780 lay ministers who will then be appointed as worship leaders.
00:05:06.560 And it can be women.
00:05:07.640 And then if we have worship leaders who are women, you might as well ordain them to deacons.
00:05:10.860 Well, if you have women who are already ordained as deacons, you might as well just give them
00:05:14.220 the faculties as a priest.
00:05:15.280 So as I was rounding the corner outside the cathedral there, San Fernando Cathedral in
00:05:21.860 San Antonio, I'm holding a sign that said AUSCP supports women's ordination.
00:05:28.860 And the priest that you reported on earlier this month or earlier last month, really,
00:05:33.480 Father Frederick Daly, the priest from Syracuse, New York, who said that gay mass and had the
00:05:38.160 gay flag and all that, he was coming in the opposite direction.
00:05:40.820 And he looked at my sign and he said, we sure do.
00:05:43.740 And I said, you sure do what?
00:05:46.160 Support women's ordination?
00:05:47.600 He goes, yes.
00:05:48.880 I said, ordination to what?
00:05:50.780 The priesthood?
00:05:51.700 He said, to the diaconate, to the priesthood, as bishops, as pope.
00:05:56.700 Those were his exact words to me.
00:05:58.620 And he was speaking on behalf of the AUSCP.
00:06:01.800 He said, we support.
00:06:03.540 Not I.
00:06:04.160 He said, we.
00:06:04.820 And the other priests that were there with him did not correct him.
00:06:09.460 Wow.
00:06:09.880 OK, so in case anybody's wondering what Michael's referring to, this clip is from that crazy
00:06:17.880 LGBT mass that this Father Daly did.
00:06:22.680 He's from Syracuse, New York, if I'm not mistaken.
00:06:26.380 And you might have thought you've seen all of the wacko LGBT kind of masses with felt banners
00:06:32.680 in a rainbow stole until you saw this.
00:06:35.520 Watch.
00:06:36.560 Namaste.
00:06:37.780 Namaste.
00:06:39.560 A warm welcome to all of us in church.
00:06:42.560 And let us welcome those joining us at home.
00:06:46.280 And we're invited to recall once again that as we gather to worship today, we're on the
00:06:53.180 territory of the Onondaga Nation.
00:06:56.220 A warm welcome to everyone in church.
00:06:59.200 Let's welcome those at home.
00:07:00.740 Did we just do that?
00:07:01.600 Yes, we did.
00:07:02.680 Amen.
00:07:03.980 OK, so that's who we're dealing with.
00:07:07.100 And he came up to you.
00:07:08.680 So it's very interesting because I'm I'm always still stunned.
00:07:14.080 That priest, the the most out there priest on LGBT is still a priest in good standing in
00:07:22.840 the Diocese of Syracuse.
00:07:24.760 And yet Father Altman is not.
00:07:27.320 We have Bishop Strickland, who is out of his diocese.
00:07:31.580 We have there's still a priest and bishop in good standing with the church.
00:07:36.680 I mean, they're able to celebrate sacraments still, but they are kicked out of the diocese.
00:07:41.680 The Father Daly and I guess most of the priests at the AUSCP meeting and Bishop Stowe and Bishop
00:07:51.420 Wester are both sitting bishops.
00:07:54.380 I I'm just stunned.
00:07:55.500 Well, it goes a step further.
00:07:57.120 Now, Father Frederick Daly, he is actually a member of the AUSCP.
00:08:01.280 I have here the AUSCP's list of donors from 24 to 25.
00:08:05.500 He's listed as one of their additional donors.
00:08:07.540 But here I have the AUSCP's program book from this particular assembly.
00:08:12.800 And it's very interesting because they had a section on their working groups and the section
00:08:18.320 on women in the church.
00:08:19.840 They said here right at the end, we are in the process of finalizing a document for clergy
00:08:25.680 titled Pastoral Responses and Resources for Priests and Bishops Replying to Women Who Feel
00:08:32.800 Called to Ministries that Exist and Ministries that Do Not Yet Exist.
00:08:39.860 So when you put into context with what Father Daly said to me with this particular statement,
00:08:46.360 it's very clear where they're going with this, even though they don't want it on the printed
00:08:49.840 page saying, yeah, we want women priests and women bishops and a woman pope.
00:08:54.800 That's very clearly what they do desire.
00:08:57.100 It's very interesting because they're playing this game kind of like Father James
00:09:02.600 Martin does with courting error while trying to stay within the confines, as it were.
00:09:09.160 But they kind of lose it every once in a while.
00:09:11.760 And it really does expose the agenda.
00:09:13.680 That's why I thank you so much for doing what you're doing, because you're really helping
00:09:17.440 to show the truth of the matter, which is, you know, despite they're trying to hide themselves
00:09:23.960 in a veneer of, oh, no, we're still Orthodox.
00:09:26.620 You know, it's interesting.
00:09:27.580 One of the things that I collected, I had this little button, love is love, with a
00:09:32.460 cross and the rainbow.
00:09:33.420 I mean, it's blasphemous.
00:09:35.180 But I also found this little sticker, WWJE, who would Jesus exclude?
00:09:42.120 And the obvious answer is, well, they're talking about immigrants being excluded from the United
00:09:47.540 States, and they're talking about the LGBT community being excluded from the church.
00:09:51.680 But what's interesting about that is at the same time that they have these things, I have
00:09:57.620 a supporter who was attending the Rosary Rally with us.
00:10:01.200 We actually have video of it.
00:10:03.100 And he told me this story about how he accidentally went up to the AUSCP floor in the hotel.
00:10:11.300 And while he was there, he asked for Michael Hichborn.
00:10:13.920 And they said, Michael Hichborn, he is not welcome here.
00:10:17.780 So who would Jesus exclude?
00:10:21.500 Well, clearly, he would exclude Michael Hichborn.
00:10:24.380 When the AUSCP was preparing to process over to the cathedral to hear mass from Archbishop
00:10:29.980 Siller, somebody got up at the podium and started instructing them how to avoid our Rosary
00:10:37.020 Rally.
00:10:37.920 So he told them, go in through the back.
00:10:39.960 And then he said, by the way, you should know the Lepanto people don't have a permit.
00:10:44.720 So hopefully, by the end of the day, they'll all be in jail.
00:10:48.440 So, you know, it's incredible to think, at the same time, they're out there saying, we
00:10:53.180 don't want illegal immigrants to be thrown in jail.
00:10:55.560 We don't want these criminals who are here illegally thrown in jail.
00:11:00.360 We don't want Black Lives Matter protesters, mostly peaceful protesters.
00:11:04.400 We don't want them in jail either.
00:11:05.900 But the people who are out there praying for us, we want them in jail.
00:11:09.320 Very interesting.
00:11:10.140 All the blather about not excluding, and yet there it is.
00:11:14.980 And unfortunately for those, and the whole reason why you're doing this is because Jesus
00:11:22.160 does exclude.
00:11:23.120 Yes.
00:11:23.520 Those who are sinners will be excluded from Christ.
00:11:26.700 Not so much that Jesus excludes.
00:11:28.240 He gives them the way, because he is the way, the truth of life.
00:11:32.580 And no man will come to the Father but by him.
00:11:35.620 And by rejecting him, they are excluding themselves from eternal life.
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00:12:09.840 Let's get on to this one thing, because probably the most horrendous thing is this thing you
00:12:18.620 mentioned about what's going on with masturbation, self-abuse.
00:12:22.700 They're talking about that.
00:12:23.920 A, they're talking about it openly.
00:12:27.220 What's going on there?
00:12:28.200 I mean, that's so disgusting.
00:12:29.900 It is considered a sin, by the way, in the Catholic Church.
00:12:33.520 You know, everybody thinks, oh, they just pick on the gays and blah, blah, blah, and
00:12:37.740 that's all they talk about, and the women who have abortions.
00:12:40.940 Well, actually, no.
00:12:42.440 The Church has all sorts of teachings on purity, which encompass not only homosexuality, but
00:12:48.420 also heterosexuality.
00:12:50.440 And part of the biggest curses we have today that's obviously associated with pornography,
00:12:54.800 which, by the way, our lady warned about as being like a superhighway to hell when she
00:12:58.820 said more souls go to hell because of sins of impurity than for any other reason, this
00:13:04.800 issue of self-abuse, as it used to be called, is majorly a problem.
00:13:10.460 And yet, even that, they're saying, is not a problem.
00:13:14.440 So one of the things that I heard, and it was deeply disturbing, and I will be putting
00:13:20.180 out a report on this, a highly detailed report once we get everything figured out.
00:13:24.220 But what I heard was that in one of the meetings, there was a long and lengthy discussion on
00:13:33.000 homosexuals and homosexuals in the church and how to pastorally care for them and that
00:13:37.960 kind of thing.
00:13:38.920 And at some point, there were priests that were raising their hands and admitting that
00:13:45.180 they were homosexuals.
00:13:46.920 What that means, I don't know exactly.
00:13:48.960 I mean, does it mean that they have same-sex attraction, or does it mean that they're acting
00:13:52.380 on it?
00:13:52.660 I don't know.
00:13:53.100 I can't verify that.
00:13:54.780 But there were at least priests in the room standing up and saying, I'm gay, I'm gay, I'm
00:13:59.460 gay.
00:14:00.360 And then they were talking about self-abuse, as you pointed out.
00:14:04.900 And at least one of these men who was admitting to this behavior and admitting to this inclination
00:14:13.100 started talking about how he looks at self-abuse as a prayerful exercise, that he prays while
00:14:22.320 he does that and he thinks that it's a beautiful thing, a beautiful gift that God had given
00:14:28.680 him.
00:14:28.860 And when you think about that, regardless of the visual here, what I'm concerned with is
00:14:41.740 that I can guarantee not a single priest in that room told him that what he is doing is
00:14:49.260 mortally sinful, and that if he continues to do it and have this idea that it's actually
00:14:54.580 a good thing, that priest will land in hell.
00:14:59.040 He is condemning himself.
00:15:01.120 And by promoting it, what is he saying in the confessional?
00:15:04.120 What advice is he giving to young men who are coming to him and confessing self-abuse?
00:15:08.480 Is he telling them that it's okay?
00:15:10.100 Or worse, is he telling them that it's beautiful and do it with prayer?
00:15:14.640 Right.
00:15:15.220 And on top of that, if he is one of the self-professed homosexuals in the room, well, what phantasms
00:15:23.220 is he entering into his mind as he's doing this?
00:15:26.920 There are all sorts of questions here that come along with that kind of thinking.
00:15:30.420 And it's a horribly, horribly disturbing thing to have been told.
00:15:34.760 And I am horrified at the fact that this was even discussed, let alone out in the open.
00:15:41.800 But there it is.
00:15:43.400 It's not actually all that surprising that we devolve more and more.
00:15:49.320 Because once you leave the truth, once you leave the truth of Christ, and you go down these
00:15:56.460 avenues that you think are, you know, oh, they're wonderful for the human psyche, and this is where
00:16:01.140 we want to go because we want to make it positive.
00:16:02.620 You will go further and further away from the truth, and that means into evil.
00:16:08.460 The popular argument that I think is used a lot of times to justify that behavior, not
00:16:14.200 so much that he's kind of sanctified it or trying to sanctify it, but to at least justify
00:16:19.960 it, it's like, I'm not hurting anyone else.
00:16:22.640 But they're bringing it to a new level of this is a wonderful practice, and it's so good
00:16:27.160 that it's part of prayer.
00:16:29.460 But this is the thing.
00:16:30.540 You end up with a different religion where you glorify evil, and then you turn all morality
00:16:38.240 on its head.
00:16:39.040 So good becomes evil, and evil becomes good.
00:16:41.660 Yes.
00:16:42.060 In fact, the prophet Isaiah warned, you know, avoid those who proclaim bitter for sweet and
00:16:48.740 call evil good.
00:16:50.160 We were warned about this.
00:16:51.540 But even more to the point, when you start to consider the fact that these men want to
00:16:58.060 change the way the church approaches things, I mean, the title of this particular meeting
00:17:02.620 was Sexuality and Spirituality, Pastoral Approaches.
00:17:07.900 So they're saying, well, we're not changing doctrine, as that one priest who told me in the
00:17:13.000 hallway, we're not changing doctrine, we're not against doctrine, but they're changing
00:17:19.060 the way the church understands the doctrine, or they're trying to change the way the church
00:17:22.600 approaches matters pastorally in light of doctrine.
00:17:26.120 So they're creating a cognitive dissonance by saying that you can believe one thing and
00:17:31.560 act in a different way.
00:17:32.780 It's the same kind of cognitive dissonance that you have with politicians who say, well,
00:17:36.320 I'm personally pro-life, but dot, dot, dot, I'm going to vote in favor of abortion.
00:17:40.820 I'm going to vote in favor of same-sex marriage.
00:17:43.100 Well, you can't have the belief of one thing.
00:17:47.020 Our Lord said it very, very, very clearly.
00:17:49.440 You cannot serve two masters.
00:17:51.640 And that's exactly what they're trying to do.
00:17:53.480 They're trying to serve the master of their bodies while professing to follow the master
00:17:58.480 of the church.
00:18:00.560 And it's a lie.
00:18:02.100 Well, let's talk finally about and conclude with this about the two prelates in the
00:18:06.300 room, because there are all these wayward priests there.
00:18:09.300 There are, there's an association of probably many priests.
00:18:12.400 Do you know how many priests in the U.S. belong to this group?
00:18:16.180 The AUSCP claims to have about 1,500 to 2,000 members.
00:18:22.040 Whoa.
00:18:22.800 Mm-hmm.
00:18:23.380 Whoa.
00:18:23.740 But we know they have two sitting bishops.
00:18:28.640 Again, Bishop Stowe from Lexington, Kentucky, and Bishop Wester from Santa Fe, New Mexico.
00:18:36.800 First of all, those within those dioceses should probably think twice about who their shepherd
00:18:43.220 is.
00:18:44.300 But how can people reach out and do something about this?
00:18:47.520 Because in that case, in the case of the bishops, this is the most severe thing you
00:18:52.760 can get.
00:18:53.140 Where can people appeal to?
00:18:54.700 How do they appeal to Rome on this?
00:18:56.040 And what's your thoughts that way?
00:18:57.680 We do have a new pope, so hopefully we can see some real change in the Vatican, but we'll
00:19:02.900 see.
00:19:03.640 In the meantime, I do recommend that people write to the nuncio, go to our reports, outline
00:19:10.740 all of the different things that we've put together about the AUSCP, and tie in all the
00:19:15.300 bishops that we've talked about who have participated with, supported, and lauded the AUSCP.
00:19:20.760 In fact, Archbishop Siller, who said mass for the AUSCP down in San Antonio.
00:19:26.440 And that was this time.
00:19:27.920 That was this time.
00:19:28.920 And in his homily to the AUSCP, he was saying, I am, I am, I've been following what you do,
00:19:35.180 and I've been hearing from my brother bishops, what a wonderful organization you are.
00:19:39.420 And he went on and on and on talking about how great they are.
00:19:42.460 And, you know, when you have a sitting archbishop in his diocese, invite the AUSCP and say mass
00:19:49.600 for them, talk about the wonderful things that they're doing in light of what we have
00:19:54.140 uncovered about the AUSCP, there's a very serious, serious problem in the church because
00:19:59.280 the AUSCP is getting top cover from archbishops and bishops and cardinals throughout the United
00:20:05.820 States.
00:20:06.680 I've seen Cardinal McElroy at this thing.
00:20:08.700 Wait, just before you, before you go on there, that's very serious.
00:20:11.500 So you're saying that the archbishop of San Antonio, Texas, Archbishop Gustavo Garcia Siller
00:20:19.760 celebrated the opening mass for this heretical group of priests.
00:20:25.800 He's the same one who went after the ranch of the family, Dan Savinia's ranch.
00:20:35.120 He's the same one that took to task this divine mercy community down there.
00:20:40.100 Uh, he's the one pushed aside the Latin mass, but doing this, that, that's quite something
00:20:45.860 because this is a, this is a whole new thing.
00:20:48.480 What other bishops have participated with this, uh, uh, associate US, uh, AUSCP?
00:20:54.840 So I, I want to give a shout out first to, uh, SAFA, which is a local pro-life organization.
00:21:01.100 They really did yeoman's work in trying to come in and assist us at these rosary rallies,
00:21:05.960 but they, they got a recording of Archbishop Siller's, um, uh, homily at the mass for the
00:21:12.340 AUSCP.
00:21:12.880 And I'll be sharing that with you and I'll share that with, uh, with our supporters too.
00:21:16.300 But, um, the other bishops and cardinals that have participated with AUSCP include Cardinal
00:21:21.920 McElroy, Cardinal Cupich, Cardinal Wilton Gregory, uh, Arch, uh, Bishop Gumbleton, who is now
00:21:28.480 deceased.
00:21:29.420 Hold on, hold on.
00:21:31.260 So you just said Cardinal Cupich, Cardinal McElroy, and Cardinal Gregory.
00:21:37.480 Yeah.
00:21:37.700 Three of the leading churchmen in the United States, the, the kingmakers, if you will, and
00:21:47.960 they're all in supportive, uh, supportive of the AUSCP.
00:21:51.920 They have, they've definitely been supportive.
00:21:53.880 They've spoken at their conferences and they've, uh, participated in some of their events.
00:21:57.680 We also have, uh, Archbishop Hebda who, uh, invited them into his diocese.
00:22:03.200 He sent Bishop Pates to go participate.
00:22:05.020 We have, um, Archbishop Rozanski from, from, uh, St. Louis.
00:22:10.360 Uh, he invited them in, said mass for them.
00:22:13.180 Archbishop Carlson, uh, said mass for the AUSCP.
00:22:16.480 We've got, uh, Archbishop Hartmeier who participated in some of their events, spoke at one of their
00:22:21.740 events and, and, uh, has participated, said mass for the AUSCP.
00:22:25.820 And, and there are a couple of others that I'm, I'm forgetting right off the top of my head,
00:22:29.260 but, um, there's a very serious problem when you have that kind of Episcopal participation
00:22:33.980 in an organization that is designed specifically to change the church's understanding of who she
00:22:40.380 is, what her priesthood is, what the sacraments are, and, and even the most fundamental, basic
00:22:46.680 fundamentals of Catholic morality.
00:22:48.600 All of those things are being tossed up by the AUSCP and these bishops are giving them all sorts
00:22:54.980 of latitude in the United States.
00:22:56.820 We're going to, um, make a list of those for both our story on this interview over at LifeSite
00:23:02.920 News.
00:23:03.360 And you'll notice down in the, uh, notes under this, the names of those bishops and cardinals
00:23:09.000 as well, because I think the faithful need to know, uh, Michael Hitchborn, as always, you've
00:23:13.940 done an incredible job, uh, amidst hard work and, uh, thankless, at least from some quarters.
00:23:20.220 But I know that all of us here at LifeSite News are very grateful for all your work.
00:23:24.680 God bless you.
00:23:25.760 And, um, we will continue to pray for you.
00:23:29.560 Thank you so much.
00:23:30.400 And God bless all of you.
00:23:32.100 And we'll see you next time.
00:23:37.400 Aloha everyone.
00:23:38.340 This is Jason Jones for LifeSite News.
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