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00:08:42.320All I can think of is I was desperately hoping that Knowles had COVID so that you would both die by the end of the song.
00:08:47.260Because you were singing in close proximity with one another.
00:08:49.680No, but I'm a protest to Ben, so I can't get COVID.
00:08:52.220I'm actually immune to it because I protest.
00:08:55.320So, there's some specific news stories that we should talk about.
00:08:58.620But before we do, I think most people who aren't maybe as, listen, everyone's in the news these days.
00:09:02.920But maybe people don't follow it in real time the way that we do.
00:09:05.780And perhaps the biggest thing on everyone's mind is more of a macro, a high-level look at what's happening.
00:09:11.580There's this sense that things are truly unraveling, that we're losing our society right now, that we've lost our collective minds.
00:09:18.380Between the lockdowns, the COVID, the incredibly high death toll from COVID, the incredibly high unemployment numbers from the lockdowns,
00:09:27.060you have the insanity happening in the streets.
00:09:29.820You have this DA's decision to prosecute this police officer in Atlanta.
00:09:34.380People, a lot of the people who write in, a lot of the people I interact with, I think people just don't know what to make of this moment,
00:09:40.740how to stay optimistic in this moment, how not to let a moment like this crush you.
00:09:44.740And it's occurred to me over these last weeks that that's actually, it seems that that's the objective of the media right now.
00:09:51.000It's just to overwhelm people, to crush their spirits.
00:09:53.160Could we maybe offer people a little bit of encouragement, a little bit of perspective on how history moves and what we might make of this moment, what it means for our futures?
00:10:18.820One of two tragic things was going to happen.
00:10:21.240One was that Hillary Clinton would be elected and the fact that our empty and destroyed elite systems were going to just spread.
00:10:28.300And the other was that Donald Trump would be elected and they were going to be exposed as being as empty and as destroyed and as corrupt as they are.
00:10:56.360And I'm betting it's going to be like Lansing a boil.
00:10:58.080I'm betting we're going to have some pain to go through, but it's going to be a good it's going to ultimately be a good thing that we have been seen exposed that our elites are empty.
00:11:35.600You're getting notes from your favorite exercise joint about about Black Lives Matter and the various ways in which you have experienced white privilege.
00:11:43.380You're like, man, I just go there to pick up weights.
00:11:44.980Like, what are you even talking about?
00:11:46.600It's very, very irritating, obviously.
00:11:48.700And more than irritating, it's it's disunifying at a time when unity seems really easy.
00:11:52.780I mean, we all agree, I think, as that as that video that our friend Ali Stuckey put together that Knowles was in and Clayton was in.
00:12:47.840Everybody feels like it's falling apart because it turns out that totalitarianism is not all that attractive, either culturally or governmentally.
00:12:54.400So, Michael, it's the only person on the show who actually supports the Spanish Inquisition.
00:13:14.140I think there's been an impulse, especially among conservatives, who tend to be nice guys, who want to find common ground with people, who really hate the divisiveness that the left has foisted on us racially, sexually.
00:13:25.840The list goes on and on for decades now.
00:13:27.940We want to find this common ground and say maybe you've got a point, leftists.
00:13:31.760And one thing we're seeing here is they don't have a point.
00:14:02.360The second thing that occurred to me during this time is conservatives have been so bullied and we're nice guys and we want to prove that we're not racists.
00:14:16.740Nobody in this country, nobody thinks that black lives don't matter.
00:14:20.520OK, when you say black lives matter, you are signing on to a radical organization that on their very Web site says one of their goals is to dismantle the Western prescribed nuclear family.
00:14:30.080You don't need to be bullied into going along with that.
00:14:33.700Even people all the way up to the White House have been buying into some of these premises just to be nice guys, just to show that we're all coming together.
00:14:40.940And we see the consequences of pushing those lies in Atlanta.
00:14:45.440We see a cop being charged with murder unjustly.
00:14:49.600We see private businesses going up in flames.
00:14:51.800I think it's clarifying and I think what it tells all of us is a lesson that we don't want to learn, but it's that we need to grow a spine, stand up for the truth and not spout leftist lies, even if we think it'll make us all come together because it won't.
00:15:05.260Yeah, that that actually segues nicely into the stack of decision today, because I think that John Roberts is a guy who really believes that he can play nice.
00:15:13.260I think he thinks that he has a singular role to play in unifying the country, preserving the courts by remove.
00:15:19.480But, you know, listen, he votes our way 80, 90 percent of the time.
00:15:23.140Right. So it's not like he's a complete disaster.
00:15:25.280But then on these very important cases, which he perceives to be really divisive at a cultural level, he always errs on on the side of appease the left.
00:15:35.880Don't compromise. Don't don't turn the left's ire against the court.
00:15:40.920And even just in the last, what, 72 hours, that's brought us to court cases that fundamentally change the country.
00:15:49.000I mean, this idea from from the decision last week, the idea that sex can be defined as identity, sex, gender identity and not by biology.
00:16:01.540Gorsuch himself writing the majority opinion said that no one who wrote that law could have possibly envisioned that interpretation.
00:16:07.880And yet he believes it's some sort of textual interpretation.
00:16:10.840And then today, this decision that I guess if one administration illegally passes through executive fiat, some sort of regulation, the next administration can't by executive fiat turn back.
00:16:24.680But what is the standard? And the standard is, well, let's just be nice and get along.
00:16:28.520Am I missing something? Illegal and unconstitutional, by the way, by the administration's own admission when they were doing it.
00:16:34.720Sure. I think I think you're being too nice to John Roberts.
00:16:38.540I think the man is a coward. When he did the Obamacare decision, friends of mine who supported him said, no, no, he's just telling you that you're going to have to fix this by your vote.
00:16:49.380He's not letting you off the hook for having voted for Obama. But this decision is really different.
00:16:54.040This is a cynical, completely ridiculous decision that says exactly what he said, that Obama can take an admittedly unconstitutional action by executive order.
00:17:04.280But Trump can't erase it by executive order. And, you know, what he said basically was you didn't do this procedurally correctly.
00:17:12.180And if I were Donald Trump, which thank heavens I'm not.
00:17:15.220But if I were, what I would do is I'd come back to him in a week with a thing from the Justice Department that does it procedurally correctly and really stuff it to him.
00:17:23.700Because I just think he's a coward. I disagree about the Gorsuch decision.
00:17:27.700I disagree with what people are saying it said. I think it's an absurd decision, but I don't think it's an illogical decision.
00:17:33.280I think he wasn't saying that sex includes transgenderism.
00:17:37.220He was saying that if you penalize somebody for doing penalize a man for doing the same thing a woman does, that's a discrimination under sex,
00:17:45.420which is a really bizarre but logical example of textualism.
00:17:51.020But but this this Roberts decision is just an act of cowardice.
00:17:54.040So, Ben, you're you're one of the only conservatives in America who actually opposed Roberts during his confirmation.
00:18:01.300Do you think Drew's reading that correctly?
00:18:03.940I think that John Roberts's view of the Constitution and judicial activism is pretty simple.
00:18:09.300And that is that he misinterprets judicial activism and he doesn't like judicial activism to mean the judiciary interfering in the process.
00:18:15.480And so if the judiciary interferes in the process, this constitutes activism.
00:18:18.620Now, the way that constitutionalists and textualists traditionally have read judicial activism is judicial activism is rewriting the law, rewriting the Constitution toward political ends.
00:18:27.580But Roberts, as an institutionalist, which is how he's usually described, that means that he's he's usually trying to keep the court out of fights.
00:18:34.000Now, what's weird is, of course, the LGBT case.
00:18:36.540In that case, he voted with the majority.
00:18:37.980But that cuts against the idea that really should be left to the legislature, which is normally where you would expect Roberts to come down.
00:18:43.540I have a feeling the reason that he voted with the majority in that particular case is because if he had not voted with the majority, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is writing that opinion.
00:18:49.840Right. And if Ruth Bader Ginsburg writes that opinion, you get an excoriating routine against religious America.
00:18:55.400And the decision goes much further than it does.
00:18:57.360Right. Gorsuch basically says, don't worry, there will be carve outs for religious institutions.
00:19:00.360There will be carve outs for ministerial exceptions and all the rest of this.
00:19:04.060And so my read on Roberts is that not that not that, you know, it's a matter of personal cowardice, but that Roberts was never a particularly originalist guy.
00:19:12.180He was never a textualist. There was no long history.
00:19:14.340Gorsuch is more of a shock in that LGBT case only because, again, there is no way to interpret the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation, let alone gender identity.
00:19:24.240And and the idea that he is going to back feed that, that he's going to backfill that that sort of meaning into the word sex.
00:19:31.180Well, clearly, that's not what it means. It creates all sorts of illogic in the in the structure of the Civil Rights Act itself.
00:19:37.440As I've pointed out, it brings Title seven into direct conflict of Title nine, because now what about the fact that you're supposed to have separate funding for men and women's sports?
00:19:44.540What constitutes a man or a woman? Right. Clearly, this is not what was meant by the law.
00:19:47.760And Democrats didn't even think this is what was meant by the law, which is why they've been pursuing the Equality Act for all these years,
00:19:53.120trying to actually rewrite the law to include all these things that Gorsuch just rewrote the law to include.
00:19:57.160So the Gorsuch decision is a lot more troubling to me than the than than whatever Roberts does.
00:20:02.020As far as the DACA decision, the real key there is that Roberts and when Trump said they just don't seem to like me.
00:20:08.220That's kind of right. I mean, that kind of is right, because basically what the decision is, is if he had done it the right way,
00:20:13.520then probably we would let it go. But he did it the wrong way. And so we're not going to let it go.
00:20:17.000Right. And they had similar words with regard to even the the travel ban.
00:20:21.440Right. They said, well, we'll kind of let it go. But we really don't like his verbiage very much.
00:20:24.700But, you know, it just demonstrates all of the trouble that you run into when you're President Trump and you use your Twitter account to do random stuff.
00:20:31.860But obviously, it's a very bad decision. And as Thomas says, it really does leave the door wide open to Donald Trump as he walks out the door in in either six months or four years,
00:20:41.160putting out a series of sweeping executive actions and then basically daring the next administration to knock them down.
00:20:46.420So, yeah, I want to I actually know, I just go ahead, please.
00:20:50.640Well, I just I just want to say about this Gorsuch decision that the the thing that I'm trying to clarify is that Gorsuch was being a textualist, but not an originalist.
00:20:57.640What he was what he was basically saying is if John, if Mary sleeps with a man and John sleeps with a man and you penalize John, you're only penalizing him because he's a man.
00:21:08.860So essentially, he was saying there is no traits that are natural to men and women, which is that that's really what he's saying, which is a spectacular thing for a Supreme Court justice to say.
00:21:19.680And it's such a bad decision because of that. He's not saying that they what they mean by this is you can't penalize somebody for being gay.
00:21:27.360What he's saying is that being gay is an act determined by your sex. And and that's nuts.
00:21:33.580I mean, that is a nutty thing to say, but but it makes this kind of crazy sense outside of real life.
00:21:38.280If you see what I mean, as long as you don't disagree with what with what you're saying, Drew, or I don't even disagree with what you're saying, Ben, either.
00:21:45.640I think that it winds up being more simple than that, though.
00:21:47.940I think that these guys put their finger up and they realize the cultural winds are blowing so hard that they do not want history to judge them.
00:21:57.580What they're what they're the most afraid of is being a Ben, is it Plessy v. Ferguson?
00:22:04.260Like or is it Brown v. Board? Which one undoes the other one?
00:22:07.160The worst the worst thing, you know, you don't want to be Plessy v. Ferguson.
00:22:11.140You don't want to be Plessy v. Ferguson. Like, I think that's how they see their role is.
00:22:17.060We don't want to be remembered as the guys who are on the wrong side of history to use Barack Obama's.
00:22:21.640Well, the history point here, I think, is the key to understanding this.
00:22:25.200And this is what Senator Josh Hawley made a real barn burner speech the other day about.
00:22:29.860He said that this decision, specifically with regard to the Gorsuch decision, represents the end of what we have called the conservative legal movement.
00:22:38.660And you might like the conservative legal movement.
00:22:40.440You might like the things that it has to say.
00:22:42.840But the mere fact is that we keep losing.
00:22:46.300We lose on the most fundamental issues.
00:22:49.120I mean, they have just, for all intents and purposes, rewritten the most significant law of the 20th century by those nine robed lawyers on the Supreme Court.
00:22:56.960And they've redefined sex, the most basic aspect of our nature.
00:23:06.860By the way, they turned down, worth noting, they turned down a bevy of Second Amendment cases that would have clarified the right to keep and bear arms at the exact same time they were doing this.
00:23:14.400And what it really means is that this quiver in the electoral, this arrow in the electoral quiver for Republicans is almost over.
00:23:22.380The idea that you have to elect Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton's going to get to appoint the justices.
00:23:27.200But what does that matter if the justices that are appointed by Republicans still vote with the left?
00:23:32.360If that's the case, Republicans are going to need a better pitch.
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00:26:07.920You know, one of the things that I'm concerned about as a resident of the state of California, especially as you watch all the lawlessness, you watch during the lockdowns, they start turning criminals out of the prisons.
00:26:18.820Then they start allowing for rioters to burn down large segments of the city.
00:26:22.940Then they start saying, cutting the funding for the police, not paying the police their overtime.
00:26:27.740I've been very concerned about the fact that the state in which I live, if I am forced to use a weapon to defend my own life, the state's going to actually take up its case against me.
00:26:38.200It's not going to support my ability to defend myself.
00:26:40.800It's going to support the person against whom I had to defend myself.
00:26:44.140And then I tell myself, well, but that is there are still police out there.
00:26:47.600Then you see this case in Atlanta and you realize, no, they're going to they're going to actually turn against the police as well.
00:26:53.120And that's not in California. That's in Georgia.
00:26:56.500I'm sure we may get a chance to talk about that a little later, but something that I'm very concerned about.
00:27:00.200Alicia, before we do that, I want to hear from some of our Daily Wire dot com subscribers.
00:27:04.840Yeah. And one of the cool things about Daily Wire dot com subscribers is that if you're an all access member, you get to chat with all of us after backstage tonight and you can watch a live stream of President Trump's rally with Michael Knowles this Saturday.
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00:27:25.860And you get to ask questions on shows like this, like backstage.
00:27:29.400So this question is for Ben and it is from an awesome Daily Wire subscriber who asks if the governing authorities in Washington state failed to get control of the Chaz, what should the federal government's involvement or strategy be?
00:27:43.680Well, at this point, there's a serious question as to whether the federal civil rights of people who are living in that area and don't actually approve of Chaz are being violated.
00:27:51.140And obviously, if this were Ammon Bundy and crew pulling up at their ranch in the middle of nowhere and being angry that they weren't allowed to kill tortoises, then we would have a national scandal on our hands.
00:28:02.020But because it's a bunch of leftists who have decided to take over a downtown area of a major city and then just sit there and plant themselves there and then create their own police, then obviously that's totally fine, according to the media.
00:28:12.620I mean, the role here is that if the president wanted, he could actually invoke the Insurrection Act, right, in the same way that he was talking about for rioters and looters.
00:28:18.460He could say that there is an actual insurrection. I mean, they've declared themselves a separate republic, which is the definition of an insurrection.
00:28:24.760Right. And he could say, listen, if the mayor isn't going to do anything here and if the state isn't going to do anything here, then this thing is over in 72 hours or I'm going in.
00:28:31.140Now, does Trump think that's in his interest? Probably not, because, again, a bloody Waco situation with a largely minority group fighting that.
00:28:39.900Although, honestly, if you see the pictures from Chaz, it seems like a bunch of bored white people with a few with a few black people there as well.
00:28:47.400But I mean, that's also called the city of Seattle. But in any case, the the idea, the I mean, I used to do a show in Seattle.
00:28:54.500The idea that Trump has to sit there is wrong. But politically, is he going to do anything about it?
00:28:58.240Probably not. And you know what? Fine. Let it fester like a wound in the center of the city of Seattle.
00:29:02.100I actually have a lot of sympathy. It's the same thing.
00:29:04.520I have a lot of sympathy for the cops in Atlanta and the cops in L.A. and the cops in New York.
00:29:08.080All of them are talking about, you know what? You don't want us here. Fine. Enjoy.
00:29:11.980You want the Republic of Chaz to be the new or it's called CHOP.
00:29:16.000They renamed themselves guys. It's no longer Chaz. It's now CHOP because it's the occupied.
00:29:20.260It's the occupied zone. If you want that to be the new normal, then just, you know, fine.
00:29:25.200All right. And you know what? I think that they should expand their territorial holdings, frankly.
00:29:28.560It seems like a zone of freedom and happiness. Mayor Jenny Durkin in Seattle has declared that it's a street fair.
00:29:32.600It seems to me that virtually all of Seattle should be put under the tender mercies of Raz Simone and the armed crew over at Chaz Chop.
00:29:39.120And they can all enjoy the wonders of an anarcho-communist experiment.
00:29:44.080I think that it should just be expanded and the left should get to get what they want good and hard, as H.L. Mencken once suggested.
00:29:49.220I couldn't disagree more. I won't be satisfied until Trump, astride a mighty white stallion, goes all whiskey rebellion on their asses.
00:29:57.740Yeah. That's it. I've been waiting. America's been waiting 240 years for a president to lead troops into an American city like the good old days.
00:30:05.960You know, Jeremy, to this point, this does make you miss the days of Dick Cheney and George W. Bush and the neocons.
00:30:12.100I want shock and awe in Soymalia. I want us to invade the Soviet Union, Viganzuela.
00:30:18.820I want tanks and troops and to show a little bit of American strength.
00:30:24.920All right, Jeremy, this question comes from a concerned wife of a future law enforcement officer.
00:30:29.680She says that her husband just got hired by their local police department, of course, didn't say where,
00:30:33.940and will graduate from the police academy in mid-November, right after the election.
00:30:37.860So what are your predictions for what law enforcement is going to look like five months from now after the election and maybe even five years from now?
00:30:45.340Yeah, it's a great question. Listen, like Ben, I have a lot of pity for the people.
00:30:49.260Sympathy is a better word. Sympathy for the people who have chosen this profession right now.
00:30:54.920I think that we're about to see a major decline in America's urban centers.
00:30:59.080I think that the cities are about to descend back into their sort of 1970s pre-Giuliani crime infested state.
00:31:07.860Because what incentive would police officers have to enforce?
00:31:11.860So to answer the question of the member directly, it really depends on where your husband is planning to be a cop.
00:31:21.640Because I think that if it's in a major urban center, if it's in a city of, I don't know, a metro area of more than a million people,
00:31:28.900I think that it's, I think that the prospects are kind of bleak, to be quite candid.
00:31:35.960I think it's going to be a bad time to be a cop in those kinds of environments.
00:31:39.740At the same time, half the country is still, or slightly less than half the country, is still more rural than that.
00:31:45.800Those are communities where I think police forces are still going to be really respected,
00:31:50.240where people, you know, really look with admiration to the thin blue line.
00:31:53.740So, you know, there's not a one-size-fits-all answer, except to say that I think even in leading red places like Georgia or other states,
00:32:03.280I think that urban Democrat-controlled areas are going to be very hard on law enforcement for the foreseeable future.
00:32:14.020We've seen an increase in homeschooling, of course, due to COVID, and an increase, apparently, national polling of parents that say they want to continue to homeschool.
00:32:21.740So given that information, and with private schools being so expensive, what is your personal opinion of homeschooling,
00:32:27.880and do you think America would be better off if more parents ended up homeschooling?
00:32:32.200Absolutely. I absolutely think they'd be better off with more parents homeschooling.
00:32:35.740I think they'd be better off with charter schools and with any kind of school choice to take our children away from utterly corrupt unions
00:32:43.280that hide behind the decent teachers who sometimes teach working for those unions,
00:32:48.080but are basically do not have the best interests of our children at heart and do not have the best interests of families in the future at heart.
00:32:54.640So anything parents can do to take back the education of their children, I am in favor of.
00:33:00.740It's one of the things that may come out of these lockdowns.
00:33:04.100Already, people are telling their employers they don't want to come back to work.
00:33:08.360There are people moving out of the urban areas.
00:33:10.820There are women starting to say, you know, this raising kids thing is actually more essential than I thought it was.
00:33:18.260So I think there are going to be a lot of people who wake up to the fact that we have been going down a road
00:33:22.200that has taken us away from our families, that's taken us away from the things that actually matter.
00:33:26.620Look, it's going to be an individual thing.
00:33:28.480We don't know how much of it will happen, but every time it happens, an angel gets his wings.
00:33:31.940And I think that that goes especially for homeschooling.
00:34:42.420So we'll hear for some more of our dailywire.com members here in just a little bit.
00:34:48.060Alicia, thanks for bringing those first round of questions to us.
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00:36:29.440And enter that code Shapiro when you click on the microphone so you can get the special, magical deal and then never have to go to the post office.
00:36:36.900Again, no matter how much you love the post office, now is not a great time to go there.
00:36:51.440What kind of services do, it's really a question of what services are acknowledging that the occupied zone is an occupied zone and which ones are not?
00:36:59.980So actually the reason, sorry, go ahead.
00:37:02.220They have a department of agriculture.
00:37:03.380Yeah, they have a department of agriculture.
00:37:04.620If you've seen the farming equipment that they've brought out, it is astonishing.
00:37:09.260I mean, I'm a city boy and I will say I don't know much about farming, but I've never heard of a process by which you put down cardboard on cement and then just take some topsoil, plant it on top and plop a couple plants on top.
00:37:18.260I feel like in seven years there will be enough food there for one half of a vegan salad, which is very exciting stuff.
00:37:25.200You know, the reason they changed the name from Chaz to Chop, this is not a joke, the reason they changed the name is precisely because they kept wanting the welfare.
00:37:33.200So they wanted the government services.
00:37:34.840If you're an autonomous zone, you were declaring yourself an independent state.
00:37:38.360They realized that wasn't a good look.
00:40:22.120And they hate him so much because he's a neocon that they can't even give him the credit of the strange new respect for, like, the five seconds that everyone is normally a lot in this Andy Warholian universe of where you oppose Trump, you get the strange new respect for five minutes.
00:40:34.260But the part of it that's amazing to me is that any of this is truly a story.
00:40:38.640Because I'm just wondering what we learned.
00:40:40.180You mean Donald Trump says the quiet part out loud and reads the stage directions aloud?
00:40:43.880You mean that Donald Trump says terrible things on a routine basis if he thinks that he's in the midst of a transactional negotiation?
00:40:49.740Like, I'm old enough to remember when he just went on Bill O'Reilly's show and said that America killed people like Russia.
00:40:54.000So the idea that he said to Xi Jinping that concentration camps sounds amazing.
00:42:08.500I can't understand why Trump made such a fuss about it unless unless there's some strategy here that is to say not only is he a liar, but he's a traitor.
00:42:17.380He's revealing all this information because all he's done is give this book.
00:42:21.140I mean, look, a new book saying all this stuff, like Ben said, all this stuff about Donald Trump that we've all heard before.
00:42:39.180If you say Trump and strategy in the same sentence ever again, Drew, I am going to reach through the COVID, the COVID riddled world through the wires that connect me to you at this point.
00:42:53.200And a hand is going to emerge from your computer screen and just finish you off because, my God, dude, we've been in the midst of rioting and looting for like several weeks at this point.
00:43:03.320The entire Atlanta PD walked off its job yesterday.
00:43:06.100And this idiot, I'm sorry, like what he's doing is idiotic.
00:43:13.300I've gotten more calls to my show in the last month from people who love Trump, who are chiding me in 2016 for not voting for Trump and who are saying, what the hell is he doing?
00:43:21.580And I don't have an answer because he doesn't have an answer.
00:43:49.100And I'm going to sue to get back those half a million books that have already been shipped to people and are sitting in their living rooms.
00:44:22.480But I wonder if being locked down in Washington, he's basically suffering from the greenhouse effect.
00:44:27.720He's basically surrounded by all the people the politicians are surrounded by all the time.
00:44:31.980And he's lost his feel for the people who who actually do like him.
00:44:36.180So I'm kind of glad he's going to Oklahoma to do this thing.
00:44:39.480I just like him to get out of the house a little bit more because he can't.
00:44:43.020The idea I agree with you about this, Ben.
00:44:45.440And I the idea that anybody cares anymore who his enemies are when their cities are burning down, when, you know, everybody is the economy's lousy and all this stuff is going on.
00:44:55.780And he's still in these private fights.
00:47:09.060So not only do I completely agree that we have to get the country moving again, the left obviously agrees, too, which is why the only news story that you read anymore is covid.
00:47:16.040I remember that for like three weeks, covid didn't exist anymore because if you were peacefully protesting and the definition of peacefully means
00:47:24.480So if you were agreeing with the left protesting, it was OK for you to like have 100000 people crammed into a one city block, you know, like a one football field sized city block.
00:47:34.260The problem, though, is the president has, you know, for the last two years, what people who support the president often say to me is when I say, you know, he's got to pick up millions of new voters in order to win in 2020.
00:47:46.320And I worry that, you know, he's going to see a lot of erosion with like suburban housewives and other groups that he needs to win.
00:47:52.160And people will say, be honest, who do you think voted for the president last time who's not going to vote for him this time?
00:47:59.000Suddenly, in the last two weeks, we've seen very high profile Trump supporters from 2016, people who sort of led the attack against so-called never Trump turning completely on the president.
00:48:09.980And it's not difficult to understand why when you have, you know, tens of millions of people moving into unemployment, a complete erosion of most of our liberties, the burning, the rioting, the looting.
00:48:22.020The kind of uncertainty that everyone's feeling, that's not good.
00:48:27.000And we're seeing the first erosion, I think, in his actual base, not just in like the fringes of who supports him, but diehard, diehard Trump, Trump supporters.
00:48:42.320And not only that, the only way to stop the looting and the rioting that's happening nationwide is to give us back the pressure valves that allow us to operate as humans, social animals in a civilization.
00:48:53.600You can't have it to where the only place where, listen, Gavin Newsom said today, the governor of California today said, it's now illegal anywhere in the state of California to be outside without a mask.
00:49:07.200If the only place you can go in life to have social interaction is to a good looting, that's not going to redound very well for the civilization.
00:50:14.640And President Trump could have had it all and, by the way, magnified the size of his crowds by saying, what we're going to do is we're going to do this outdoors.
00:50:21.780We're going to do this with a certain amount of social distancing.
00:50:24.040We're going to take away the baton to the left.
00:50:25.480Like, by doing it indoors and then suggesting that people, the masks are optional, he's just handing a club to the left.
00:50:30.880And whatever you think of the masks, the reality is that we are, in fact, seeing spikes in Arizona, in hospitalizations.
00:50:36.200We're seeing spikes in Texas, in hospitalizations.
00:50:38.400It's not swamping the health care system.
00:50:40.160As the reopening happens, it's not swamping the health care system.
00:50:42.720Arizona just shut down its casinos again.
00:50:44.560If you actually would like to see the economy reopen and then stay open without sort of sporadic shutdowns again, I know we have significant disagreements on this.
00:50:52.240But I think that the more people are, in fact, wearing masks, not unreasonably, not like out at the beach, but like in close contact with each other, in close quarters, that will be a better thing.
00:51:01.780Like, I'm rooting for a better economic recovery, which is why, frankly, I would love to look more like Japan or Hong Kong, if it takes a few months of Japan or Hong Kong mask wearing, in order to get the V-shaped recovery, as opposed to this sort of zigzag, we have to shut down, we reopen, we shut down, we reopen.
00:51:15.100Even in certain areas of American life, it's going to be very disquieting.
00:51:17.660I mean, as far as public games, it ain't happening, right?
00:51:19.960I mean, MLB is going to play to closed stadiums.
00:51:22.480The NBA is going to play to closed stadiums.
00:51:24.680Like, these giant events are just not, they're not coming back anytime soon.
00:51:28.800And people are going to keep dying and cities are going to keep burning.
00:51:33.660I think that's what you're going to get.
00:51:35.120Well, no, I mean, if they have jobs, they won't.
00:52:12.700So I think keeping you guys up to date, as I've been going through this process with our friends over at PolicyGenius,
00:52:18.720I told you a couple of months ago that I'd started the process with PolicyGenius.
00:52:22.400I realized that I needed to actually think about the future of the people whom I love,
00:52:28.080the people who I help provide for, and that I needed a life insurance policy.
00:52:32.440And we've had PolicyGenius as a sponsor for some time on the show.
00:52:35.820So I thought, I'm going to go over and see, is it as good a product as you guys always say that it is?
00:52:40.200I signed up for the process through PolicyGenius and through another website just to compare them.
00:52:46.360Hands down, PolicyGenius provided an amazing service.
00:52:49.340And I've continued to go through that process these last eight weeks.
00:52:52.060PolicyGenius sent someone to my home in the middle of the lockdowns to do the sort of medical work that's required for a life insurance policy.
00:56:18.600We know they're, you know, berserk, crazy people and have nothing authoritative to say.
00:56:23.160But after a while, when you pump this kind of propaganda into the atmosphere long enough, you just start to have the idea that there are certain things you can't say, certain things you can't think, certain ways in which you're not supposed to approach the world.
00:56:36.760You know, just the other day, I was talking to a fairly important Hollywood mogul who said to me, well, I can't tell that story anymore.
00:56:44.680I was trying to tell him about something I thought should be made.
00:56:58.960So it's not a question of realizing what Hollywood people are.
00:57:02.100It's a question of getting people into Hollywood or getting people into the movie and creative business who don't have the same opinions as everybody else so that they can start to have visions and we can start to see art created by people like us who see the world as we do.
00:57:17.540Yeah, essentially, Hollywood is comprised of that little monkey with the fez hat and the symbols who goes around and gets your coins, right?
00:57:23.740Except that they have a hundred million dollar budget and they put out candles that smell like an orgasm.
00:57:28.020That's that's essentially what Hollywood is.
00:57:46.980All righty, then, Michael, how are we supposed to continue to participate in society without succumbing to the dictates of all of the woke scolds?
00:58:02.120We all get this question when we speak at colleges and they'll say, hey, how do I get all A's on my transcript and still voice opinions that are absolutely illegal on my campus?
00:58:13.380And how do I do both at the same time?
00:58:15.040And and it's I guess they've really imbibed a lot of the Marxism that their professors have told them, even unconsciously, because they think that you can do something without a cost.
00:59:39.040Eventually, what's going to happen is that if you're an accountant at a firm and you fail to post the black square and are thus chided for it,
00:59:44.620and you say, listen, you know, I believe that black lives matter because they do.
00:59:48.480But I'm not going to virtue signal about how cops are bad.
00:59:53.300What will end up happening is that you will end up starting your own firm.
00:59:55.500And conservatives will recognize that you stood on principle.
00:59:57.420And conservatives will then patronize you.
00:59:58.720And what will end up happening is that the only people who will end up patronizing leftist causes are leftists.
01:00:03.500And the only people who end up patronizing right-wing causes are right-wingers.
01:00:06.200And you will end up with two separate companies for each element of the market because that's what the left is doing.
01:00:10.440They've taken the war to all elements of American society.
01:00:13.040It's a really ugly outcome because this is not how conservatives think.
01:00:15.580I have never once, buying a pair of shoes, thought to myself, I wonder what the political convictions of the person who runs this company are.
01:00:21.360But leftists have made it an element of faith that you must actually think about that because the externalities of you buying that pair of shoes may be keeping the environment in shambles or something like that.
01:00:45.360This is what the left did in the 60s and 70s.
01:00:47.860It became their motto, especially the feminists, but it spread out broadly to the left.
01:00:52.020They said the personal is the political, meaning every area of personal association now has got to be politicized and become ideological.
01:01:00.540And a republic such as ours cannot persist as it is meant to exist in that condition.
01:01:06.120You're supposed to have a separation between the public, the political, and the private and the personal.
01:01:10.980With that obliterated, our system of government and our system of society is not going to continue to function as it was intended.
01:01:18.960For this reason, I feel that we should, as Matt Walsh said in a tweet this week, we should do away with the public apology, in particular for private citizens engaged in private activities.
01:01:29.640When that woman in Central Park who had her dog walking off leash, you'll remember, and then the black fellow with the cell phone came up and offered her dog a treat and they got into an altercation.
01:01:40.100And the woman said, I'm going to call the police.
01:02:12.660And we shouldn't even know about it happening.
01:02:14.940We live in an era where private citizens make public apologies.
01:02:19.080Public people, politicians who have constituents, athletes who have fans or celebrities who have fans making public apologies.
01:02:31.040In some instances, I can understand that if you live your life in a public way, there are certain responsibilities that come along with that.
01:02:36.600But for private individuals to make public apologies for private actions, that is a religious act of sacrifice to the god of the mob.
01:02:44.820And you absolutely should not take part in it.
01:02:48.020You should never apologize for anything that you didn't actually do.
01:02:51.440You should never apologize for things that people did in the past or things that worse men than you may have done in the present.
01:02:58.080And you should never apologize for anything unless you feel genuine remorse for your action.
01:03:03.520And you should never apologize to anyone other than to the people whom you actually hurt.
01:03:07.740And by the way, when I say remorse for the action, I don't mean remorse for the consequences of the action to yourself.
01:03:14.220I don't mean you apologize because you did something bad and lost your job and you're sorry you lost your job.
01:03:18.940I mean you should only apologize when you're sorry that you did the bad thing regardless of whether or not you lost your job.
01:03:25.000That's the only kind of apology that is an actual apology.
01:03:28.580And it's the only kind of apology that you should ever make as an honest person.
01:03:32.220Never be bullied into any other form of apology, especially the most virtue signaling false kind of all, which is where you just apologize to the god of the angry masses.
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01:25:11.160A Daily Wire subscriber wants to know, do you think it's possible for the left to de-radicalize?
01:25:15.620And if so, do you see any specific leader on the left that could see them walk away from all of their extreme ideals?
01:25:21.800I think it's very difficult for them to de-radicalize because they have so normed themselves into intersectional ideology.
01:25:28.600Intersectionality is the key motivating factor inside the Democratic Party.
01:25:31.440Right now, there's a bit of a battle that went on for just a brief moment in time between sort of the socialist wing of the Democratic Party, which said that the cure to all of this is Marxist economics.
01:25:40.000And then the intersectional wing that said, no, no, no, you're ignoring the real motivating factor in human life, which is race.
01:25:44.560And it seems like the race side won and kind of unified with the socialist economic side.
01:25:49.200They said it's going to be both. It's going to be both.
01:25:50.860We're going to have a more socialist, unifying, top-down government control of the economy.
01:25:55.820And also, we are going to divvy ourselves up among various racial groups.
01:25:59.440And we can only assume that equality has been achieved when we achieve true economic socialism as well as true social equality, meaning equal results at the end of the day.
01:26:08.260But it's going to be very difficult to see the left respond to this until, look, people only respond to losing.
01:26:14.260That's the reality. People don't respond to winning.
01:26:16.080So the left responded to losing in 2016 by basically doubling down and treating Trump as an aberration.
01:26:22.700And it was up to Trump to prove that he wasn't an aberration.
01:26:25.040And so the question in 2020 is, was he or wasn't he?
01:26:28.260And if he was an aberration, they're going to keep doubling down on this.
01:26:30.700Right. Joe Biden basically has signified that he is just a placeholder, that the person who comes next is going to be deep into radical philosophy.
01:26:39.240You can assume that his VP pick will not be somebody like an Amy Klobuchar.
01:26:42.440It will be somebody at the very least like an Elizabeth Warren and maybe like Kamala Harris.
01:26:45.960It'll be somebody radical. The Democratic Party will move down that path until they are checked.
01:26:49.640I mean, it is that simple. And if Republicans do not win, they will continue to move down that path.
01:26:53.940And this has been true in major cities around the United States.
01:26:56.040Major cities around the United States have been governed by Democrats.
01:26:57.980The only time Republicans ever win is when things get so bad that there is literally no alternative but to elect a person from the party you've never heard of.
01:27:04.580And it's how Rudy Giuliani becomes mayor of New York.
01:27:06.420So we're we're in for a dark period here. I mean, I'm not going to I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
01:27:10.240If Trump loses, it's this weird irony where I said in 2016 that if if Hillary won and Mitch McConnell was head of the Senate, that that would be bad.
01:27:18.560Right. It would be worse in many ways than Trump being president.
01:27:20.580But it wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world because it'd be Hillary doing some stuff and Mitch McConnell checking her.
01:27:24.040And now it would be Joe Biden as president probably taking along with him the Senate because the Senate is really in trouble right here.
01:27:31.000Joni Ernst is trailing in Iowa, which is a terrible indicator.
01:27:33.920If the if the if there's a Democratic Senate and a Democratic president and a Democratic House, then ironically enough, Trump's unpopularity, which is generating a lot of momentum for that,
01:27:43.600makes it much more imperative that Republicans actually vote for Trump to stop what's coming next, because otherwise we are in for a very, very dark period in American history.
01:27:50.540That's a very good point, Ben. This this moment of sort of the the old school socialists basically getting wiped out for intersectionality.
01:27:57.960But I do see a challenge to intersectionality, ironically coming from Black Lives Matter.
01:28:03.940Intersectionality is this idea that every oppressed group in history bands together, even if they disagree with one another.
01:28:09.500So Linda Sarsour, an Islamist and Gloria Steinem, a feminist, are holding hands at the Women's March, even though they don't seem to have much in common, yet they go together.
01:28:17.200Transgenderism and homosexual activists who don't have a lot in common, but they still hold hands.
01:28:21.700That's the intersectional idea. But that is being challenged by Black Lives Matter, which is explicitly excluding groups from it.
01:28:28.240Right. They're saying it's not about all lives matter. It's not about Hispanic lives matter.
01:28:31.360It's explicitly about Black Lives Matter. Except that if you go to the Black Lives Matter website and go to their about page, they actually have all this intersectional language about trans rights, about gay rights.
01:28:44.220They're still trying to cloak themselves as part of part of the broader intersectional movement.
01:28:48.080I think what eventually takes down the intersectional movement is its inherent contradictions.
01:28:52.880The fact that the arguments in favor of trans ideology actually cut against the arguments in favor of the traditional homosexual biological determinism, right?
01:29:06.240Or the fact that feminism and trans rights come into such conflict with each other.
01:29:10.020Or about the fact that groups like Asians in America, for some reason, don't merit inclusion in the intersectional hierarchy.
01:29:19.260And they're discriminated against. I think those inherent contradictions are ultimately going to be what tears them apart.
01:29:24.140It's also a recipe for internecine war. I mean, it's just you can't follow the logic of intersectionality without everybody being at each other's throats.
01:29:32.380That's why it's sometimes entertaining to watch them devour one another, which is ultimately all they'll be able to do.
01:29:49.540All right. This question is for Drew. This comes from a Daily Wire subscriber that lives in Minneapolis area.
01:29:55.440And, of course, the park board just voted there not only to move towards defunding the police, but they also voted to let the homeless sleep in their parks.
01:30:03.900Something that our state of California has been doing for a while, by the way.
01:30:06.440And so they want to know, what is the purpose of the leftists and goal here?
01:30:10.760Like, how is this helping homeless people?
01:30:51.800And underneath that, underlying that, is an idea that something, that this country is something terrible, that order and civilization is something terrible.
01:31:01.700And, you know, one of the funny things about this is always, always throughout history, the elites think that somehow they're going to be left alone.
01:31:09.840They think that they're going to be able to maintain their elite control while the lower orders kind of devour one another.
01:31:16.480And it always ends up, it's always the elites who wind up on the guillotine.
01:31:19.920So it's really a kind of crazy, crazy idea.
01:31:23.440And the idea that they have some sort of, I mean, you talk about Donald Trump not having a strategy.
01:31:27.120The idea that the left has a strategy that goes beyond the next victory is also insane.
01:31:32.340We've seen this happen before in the 70s.
01:31:36.840The difference here is it's happening so fast that I'm wondering if the short, sharp shock will wake people up more quickly than they woke up in the 70s.