The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage： Censor This!!!

00:00:00.080 Hey everybody, this is Michael.

00:00:01.960 You're about to listen to our latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage,

00:00:05.420 where I join Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, and the man who will one day fire me for real,

00:00:10.260 Daily Wire God King Jeremy Boring, for a great conversation on politics and culture,

00:00:15.000 and where we answer questions from Daily Wire subscribers.

00:00:18.300 Without further ado, here is Backstage.

00:00:20.760 And fake laugh in three, two...

00:00:24.780 No, you don't.

00:00:26.300 No, I will not fake laugh.

00:00:29.060 Don't laugh.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to Daily Wire Backstage.

00:00:34.140 Censor this.

00:00:35.160 Yes, tonight's episode with...

00:00:37.400 I can't say these words.

00:00:39.060 Look, there's a lot of...

00:00:40.120 There's a lot of us.

00:00:42.940 With a lot of extremist mainstream YouTube conservatives here.

00:00:46.580 It may be the one that ends it all for us over at the Daily Wire.

00:00:49.300 I'm Jeremy, the God King Boring.

00:00:51.060 That's lowercase g, lowercase k.

00:00:52.880 You know what we're going to do this week that we failed to do last time is roll opening graphics.

00:00:56.880 We didn't let him know that Dave was coming in time to animate you.

00:01:13.480 Yeah, geez, a little animation would have been nice.

00:01:16.420 Honestly, just take the glasses off of Jeremy's character.

00:01:19.800 Close enough.

00:01:20.480 The last time Ruben was here, we were wearing the same shirt.

00:01:23.060 Yeah.

00:01:23.440 And you were very focused on the size.

00:01:25.780 Who wears a bigger shirt?

00:01:27.040 Well, listen, there are priorities.

00:01:29.200 There are things that matter in this life.

00:01:30.420 The second size of shirt is one of those...

00:01:33.840 It matters.

00:01:34.160 Joining me here for some good old-fashioned...

00:01:36.240 I can't.

00:01:36.900 I got to keep going.

00:01:37.760 Free speech are the barons of the alt-right.

00:01:40.320 Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Michael Knowles, and worst of all, Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report.

00:01:46.160 Dave has finally been exposed by The New York Times as being a radical centrist moderate

00:01:50.660 who invites people who have different opinions onto the show for conversation.

00:01:55.060 As always, we have Alicia Krause with us via satellite.

00:01:58.300 She'll explain how subscribers can get in their questions.

00:02:00.960 Alicia.

00:02:01.500 Absolutely.

00:02:02.100 But first, we want to send you guys over to one of those big tech censorship companies.

00:02:06.000 Go to the Daily Wire Facebook page right now and be sure to answer tonight's question.

00:02:10.260 The question is, how do content creators solve big tech censorship?

00:02:14.280 Options are, one, go to other platforms.

00:02:16.820 Two, through the courts.

00:02:17.980 Three, create their own platforms.

00:02:19.760 Or, I don't know, I prefer option four because it keeps me and baby girl employed.

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00:02:51.840 get those questions in.

00:02:53.660 Thank you, Elisha.

00:02:54.880 And there's nothing left on the teleprompter, so I think now we just sort of...

00:02:57.600 You know, before we start, honestly, we never do this, but I need to make an actual overt

00:03:01.140 pitch for subscriptions at the very beginning.

00:03:03.120 Honestly, okay.

00:03:03.820 And the reason I'm going to do this is because if you've been following the news, you've been

00:03:06.400 listening to any of our shows this week, including Dave's show, if you've been following any

00:03:09.800 of this, big tech is coming down hard on anyone who is not even to the left, right?

00:03:13.900 As long as you are not to the left, they're coming down hard on you.

00:03:16.560 Obviously, they came down very hard on our friend Stephen Crowder.

00:03:19.060 Last week, they said openly that he did not violate their policies, and yet he would be

00:03:22.360 demonetized anyway because a very upset person at Vox was very upset over being very upset,

00:03:28.200 obviously.

00:03:28.940 And that means that they were wiping off entire YouTube monetization streams.

00:03:33.560 They knocked people's accounts off or it's even related to this.

00:03:36.440 Something like a thousand accounts.

00:03:36.980 Yeah, and this is how it's going to be.

00:03:39.120 It's going to get worse from here to 2020.

00:03:40.740 And it's not just that sort of stuff.

00:03:42.080 They're also going to be coming after advertisers.

00:03:43.880 You've seen them do with Laura Ingram.

00:03:44.940 You've seen them do with Tucker Carlson.

00:03:46.360 You've seen them do with Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

00:03:48.000 You've seen them do with my show.

00:03:49.480 They are coming.

00:03:50.540 It's all fake.

00:03:51.340 It's all media matters, taking a clip out of context, and then having five of their friends

00:03:55.140 call up an advertiser and try to get those advertisers not to advertise anymore, even

00:03:59.060 though the advertisers advertise on a wide range of products and thus are not endorsing

00:04:03.000 our message.

00:04:03.840 They just want to reach anyone who wants to listen to free speech.

00:04:07.160 But these threats to your ability to actually see and listen to shows like this, that can

00:04:12.260 only be combated by you actually helping us with your direct support.

00:04:15.300 It's necessary for you to go subscribe.

00:04:17.080 So if you want to make sure that you can still get our stuff, even if we get knocked by big

00:04:20.140 tech, even if advertisers get targeted, you really do need to join the club.

00:04:23.960 I know I never make this sort of appeal at the beginning.

00:04:25.920 I consider it a personal favor from you to me if you subscribe to DailyWare, not just

00:04:30.300 because I get paid that way, but also because we literally cannot bring you the content that

00:04:35.600 we want to bring you unless we run our own ship.

00:04:37.640 And the way we run our own ship is with the subscription.

00:04:39.480 So I know a lot of you, thousands of you in the last week have subscribed.

00:04:42.720 I'm almost begging you, please subscribe right now because I think not only should you, I

00:04:47.200 mean, you should also subscribe to Dave.

00:04:48.300 You should subscribe to Crowd.

00:04:49.160 You should subscribe to all of these services.

00:04:50.560 But you should certainly subscribe to us if you enjoy the programming because it's the

00:04:53.820 only way we can guarantee that the left's mission to censor folks like us doesn't succeed.

00:04:59.020 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:04:59.880 And that's actually the thing I want to talk about here at the top of the show.

00:05:02.620 And why I asked Dave if he would join us is things are getting hairy out there.

00:05:06.240 And I would wager a guess that between now, hazard a guess that between now and the election,

00:05:12.460 they're not going to get much better.

00:05:14.060 Dave, what are you experiencing over there?

00:05:15.680 Well, I would say you guys should enjoy your whiskey and your fancy cigars and your nice

00:05:19.760 studio and your smoking jackets now because they're coming for all.

00:05:23.740 So yeah, we're witnessing something that is beyond imagination.

00:05:28.620 I mean, this is not just, it's funny, my critics, there are some people that don't like me.

00:05:33.400 You're not going to believe this.

00:05:33.860 What?

00:05:33.920 No.

00:05:34.320 There's a couple people, there's a couple people that don't like me.

00:05:37.780 Even with the beard?

00:05:38.140 Even with the beard.

00:05:38.840 They like the beard, but they don't like me.

00:05:41.680 But they'll say, oh, you know, he's only hanging out with these right wingers like you guys,

00:05:46.100 you know, you very radical right wingers.

00:05:47.720 Because there's money in it and it's a grift and all of this nonsense.

00:05:51.080 And it's like, yes, I threw my hat in with the people who are the most hated, who the

00:05:56.240 mainstream media hates, who are getting booted off the platforms, who can't get their stuff

00:06:00.380 monetized.

00:06:01.200 I did that for the money and the long-term play of being loved.

00:06:04.620 I was telling you guys right before we started that it is not fun for my dad, a 40 some odd

00:06:09.780 year subscriber of the New York Times.

00:06:11.720 My parents are New York liberals in the good sense of that, if I can say that in this room.

00:06:16.420 Um, it will be allowed.

00:06:19.460 Um, but my dad has to open up the paper on Saturday and see my picture with the word

00:06:25.340 alt-right under an article about radicalizing people to the alt-right.

00:06:29.640 Although ironically, as we've talked about yesterday on your show, the whole purpose of the of the

00:06:34.560 article in the Times, uh, which was the cover piece on Sunday was, uh, that actually apparently

00:06:41.360 YouTube radicalized this guy to the left, because the guy at the end of the story, even though the

00:06:46.000 whole thing is about how we-

00:06:46.800 He didn't even become all right.

00:06:47.600 Even at the depth of his perversity, he was dating an evangelical girl who disagreed with his

00:06:54.720 liberal friends.

00:06:55.360 And everyone looked at him and said, what happened to you?

00:06:57.680 What happened to you?

00:06:58.240 And then he watched a bunch of, like, ContraPoints videos.

00:07:00.880 Nah, I think you guys are being a little bit unfair.

00:07:02.800 I read the article too, and on the night that Hillary Clinton lost-

00:07:06.800 I know, I know.

00:07:08.400 He looked up videos of supporters crying.

00:07:12.400 You know, one of the videos-

00:07:13.520 That mother-

00:07:14.320 One of the videos he watched on the night that Donald Trump won, one of the videos that he

00:07:18.200 watched was titled, Trump Wins.

00:07:21.480 Unbelievable.

00:07:22.760 So, Ben, you're talking about sponsors and how, of course, the left is going to try to

00:07:26.400 take them away between now and the election.

00:07:28.100 We have the best sponsors.

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00:07:31.320 And one of the best for this show is Stamps.com.

00:07:35.360 Tell us a little bit about it.

00:07:36.180 Well, Stamps is great.

00:07:37.000 I mean, I use Stamps.com.

00:07:38.180 In my house, we use it here at the Daily Wire.

00:07:39.680 It gives us all sorts of time and all sorts of money.

00:07:41.580 Now, the post office has a lot of great services.

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00:09:08.220 You know that I've been running this company now for four years.

00:09:10.820 You know how many promo codes are in my name?

00:09:12.200 Well, I'm sorry, but promo code BORING is not exactly a winner.

00:09:17.500 I don't have anything to mail, but I actually, when I leave here, I am going to write some

00:09:21.900 hate mail to you, and I'm going to use Stamps.com to get it.

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00:09:26.000 As long as you patronize our sponsor.

00:09:27.680 That's what I'm saying.

00:09:28.460 It's a team effort.

00:09:29.340 I'll throw out the anthrax and keep the cash.

00:09:32.440 You know, we keep talking about this stuff, though, as if it were some, almost like an accident

00:09:36.540 or ignorance on their part.

00:09:37.860 This is a strategy.

00:09:38.660 And, Frank, to be absolutely honest, I think the strategy is primarily targeted against

00:09:44.280 this guy, against Shapiro.

00:09:45.700 I think that the whole point of this attack is to make people say Shapiro alt-right, which

00:09:51.360 is, of course, you know, absurd.

00:09:53.220 We know it's absurd, but most people aren't paying that close attention.

00:09:56.320 They're reading the headlines.

00:09:58.140 They're seeing this name comes up again and again, and it's coming up again, not just in

00:10:01.600 the New York Times, the Washington Post.

00:10:02.900 It's very frustrating to those of us who know and dislike you, even though you dislike,

00:10:07.940 you know.

00:10:08.540 Well, to know me is to dislike you.

00:10:09.500 Yeah, of course.

00:10:10.580 But, no, to hear you called the Nazi and an alt-right person, and you, too, it's absurd.

00:10:15.280 But it's done on purpose.

00:10:17.060 You know, after Ronald Reagan was elected, the press changed.

00:10:22.480 It changed because they thought, we do not want that ever to happen again.

00:10:25.420 And the subtle, middle-of-the-road leftism that was the press, the news business up to

00:10:30.200 then, changed to an actual propaganda machine, which got worse and worse.

00:10:33.880 Trump has only made that worse.

00:10:36.260 You, you know, they know how Rush got ahead of them.

00:10:39.680 They don't want to see that happen again.

00:10:41.200 They're tagging you as alt-right immediately.

00:10:43.220 And they mean it.

00:10:43.740 They mean to bring you.

00:10:44.980 It was amazing.

00:10:45.540 I mean, I know the Washington Post was printing stuff along those lines.

00:10:48.900 And I wrote a piece for the Washington Post in 2016 talking about how evil the alt-right

00:10:54.680 is.

00:10:54.900 It was literally about how evil the alt-right is.

00:10:57.080 I've spent half my waking hours ripping on the alt-right for years at this point.

00:11:01.780 Long before the alt-right was even attacking anybody on the left, I was the target of

00:11:04.900 the alt-right.

00:11:05.680 The media didn't give two craps about it when the alt-right was threatening me back

00:11:09.320 in early 2016, before they even knew what the alt-right was.

00:11:12.240 And I was railing against it.

00:11:13.500 Only when they started going after people like Julia Jaffe, suddenly they took it.

00:11:16.960 But now I'm a member of the alt-right.

00:11:18.680 The only thing I can say to that is, well, I mean, really.

00:11:21.220 No, but they're doing it on purpose.

00:11:22.520 Of course.

00:11:23.120 It's not an accident.

00:11:23.960 Well, they're doing it on purpose at many levels.

00:11:25.880 So I'm sure you guys are aware of, I think Ben was on there and maybe you guys were on

00:11:29.760 there too.

00:11:30.420 About six months ago, Data and Society came out with this alternative influencer report.

00:11:35.140 And quite literally, all they did was take a bunch of names of people who had talked

00:11:39.380 to each other.

00:11:40.100 So Rubens talked to Knowles.

00:11:41.340 Knowles talked to Shapiro.

00:11:42.460 Shapiro talked to Clayton.

00:11:43.420 And then they pretended that this was actual data that proved that anyone was being radicalized

00:11:49.140 anywhere.

00:11:49.480 Now, this happened about six months ago.

00:11:51.380 And people thought, okay, something's not right here.

00:11:53.100 And there were plenty of errors in it.

00:11:54.460 And actually, Tim Pool, who's one of the few journalists that actually we have these days,

00:11:59.220 he actually did some background check on this, where they actually proved that we were de-radicalizing

00:12:04.520 people, actually.

00:12:05.400 We were actually getting people out of the alt-right, which is sort of what the New York

00:12:08.560 Times thing said.

00:12:09.560 But most interestingly, so they do that about six months ago.

00:12:12.880 And then slowly, Vox gets into the fight with Crowder.

00:12:17.860 And then you're telling me it's a coincidence that this guy, Kevin Roos, the author from

00:12:22.740 the Ruse, is what he's actually doing.

00:12:24.920 But Kevin Roos from the New York Times.

00:12:26.820 You're telling me for months he's been working on this thing.

00:12:28.700 And you're not going to believe it, guys.

00:12:29.660 It drops at the exact same time that Crowder's about to be kicked off YouTube.

00:12:34.780 What are the chances?

00:12:36.080 Are you suggesting collusion?

00:12:38.280 Tell me something stronger than collusion.

00:12:40.600 So there is, I mean, this actually is, so I talked on my show and I wrote a column about

00:12:44.860 it this week.

00:12:46.040 There's a two-pronged strategy here, and they're reinforcing.

00:12:49.900 One is that the Democrats decided after 2016 they were never going to allow a Republican

00:12:54.940 to win the presidency.

00:12:56.340 And what that meant is they had to crack down on the social media companies they blamed

00:12:59.400 for Hillary having lost.

00:13:00.700 So this is why you saw Nancy Pelosi openly say, and it's just a lie, that the Republicans

00:13:04.760 Facebook was willingly participating in Russia propaganda in 2016.

00:13:08.420 It's just a lie.

00:13:09.000 There's no evidence for it at all.

00:13:10.380 She said that specifically because she is trying to intimidate, just as Dianne Feinstein

00:13:13.880 is trying to intimidate, just as everybody on the left is trying to intimidate these big

00:13:17.320 tech companies into doing their bidding so as to avoid their scrutiny.

00:13:21.380 The idea is if you do what we want, then we'll leave you alone to do your thing.

00:13:24.520 And they know that they are appealing to people who are like-minded.

00:13:26.940 I mean, Zuckerberg at Facebook, and Dorsey at Twitter, and what's her name?

00:13:33.480 Watch Kiki over at YouTube.

00:13:35.140 All these people are on the left.

00:13:36.960 They all gave money to Democrats.

00:13:38.300 And so they have Democrats who are their friends ripping on them and saying, you need to crack

00:13:41.920 down on this stuff because otherwise you're leading to radicalization.

00:13:44.500 It's not, they can't say you're leading people to engage with Republican content because

00:13:48.500 then it's obvious what the game is.

00:13:49.640 So you're leading to radicalization and incitement and violence.

00:13:52.480 And they all say, oh, well, in the name of goodness, we have to stop this.

00:13:55.160 So that's game number one being played by the Democrats.

00:13:57.180 And then there's the second game.

00:13:58.360 And this is the one that I find truly shocking.

00:14:00.020 Before you get to the second game, I want to push back just a second.

00:14:04.040 Obviously, Zuckerberg and these guys are on the left in their personal thinking.

00:14:08.320 But I don't think that it's as simple as the personal politics of the founders of the company.

00:14:13.680 Oh, no, I agree with that.

00:14:14.700 I think Mark Zuckerberg, I'm certain that his view of himself is that he created an instrument

00:14:20.820 that gives a voice to everyone.

00:14:23.360 I think that's how he sees himself.

00:14:26.000 And if he wasn't in this, if they hadn't let themselves get into the censoring business,

00:14:29.060 it would be true.

00:14:29.680 Yeah, that's right.

00:14:30.540 But I agree with the political pressure.

00:14:32.280 The left has basically blamed them for the election of Donald Trump.

00:14:36.020 And the tacit threat is we're about to take power again and we will break you up.

00:14:41.080 We will regulate you.

00:14:41.880 You have mainstream Democrats out on the campaign trail.

00:14:44.700 Openly saying this.

00:14:45.180 Openly saying this stuff.

00:14:46.880 So, yeah, no, I agree with all that.

00:14:48.480 And I think that that's a good correction.

00:14:49.660 I don't think that it's like Pelosi calls up Zuckerberg, she won't even get on the phone

00:14:53.120 with Zuckerberg.

00:14:53.700 That's right.

00:14:54.060 Right?

00:14:54.260 I think what it really is, is we're just going to threaten you.

00:14:56.440 And Zuckerberg is like, okay, well, what am I supposed to do here, guys?

00:14:58.860 That's right.

00:14:59.140 And so there's some of that.

00:15:00.320 And then there's also the fact that he is a person of the left.

00:15:02.860 And he understands, I mean, he has said openly that Silicon Valley is a leftist place.

00:15:06.640 And that means there's this echo chamber in terms of, okay, well, if you say Rubin or Shapiro

00:15:10.420 are all right, that's all I've heard.

00:15:12.020 I haven't really engaged with it too much.

00:15:13.440 I guess maybe that's true.

00:15:14.520 So that's part of it.

00:15:16.060 Then there's the second aspect, and this is the part I find incredibly disturbing and

00:15:20.220 actually quite evil.

00:15:21.540 And that is the mainstream media that are proclaiming day in and day out that Donald

00:15:25.900 Trump is an existential threat to the press.

00:15:28.020 You have people like Jim Acosta who are doing books about how Donald Trump is calling them

00:15:32.320 enemy of the people, and therefore he's trying to shut down freedom of the press.

00:15:35.360 These people are all in.

00:15:37.600 I mean, all in on trying to get big tech to censor people.

00:15:40.860 Vox is a supposed journalistic outlet.

00:15:42.660 It is a pseudo-journalistic trash heap.

00:15:44.300 They had their editors, their editor-in-chief, put out a letter explicitly saying, we know

00:15:49.000 that Steven Crowder didn't violate any of your rules.

00:15:50.860 That's why we are telling you, as an editorial newspaper, we are telling you that you should

00:15:55.200 change your rules.

00:15:56.520 It shouldn't be as free speech.

00:15:57.580 You need to change your rules, and you need to be able to kick people like Crowder off

00:16:00.580 your platform.

00:16:01.040 They were openly calling for Crowder's deplatforming.

00:16:02.960 That was Vox.

00:16:03.200 They literally lobbied Vox, Carlos Maza from Vox, a journalist at Vox, literally lobbied Pete

00:16:09.180 Buttigieg to not do my show.

00:16:10.960 Right.

00:16:11.280 Exactly.

00:16:11.520 That's right.

00:16:11.920 Exactly.

00:16:12.140 And then you see this from Daily Beast, you see it from Huffington Post.

00:16:15.040 And the other tactic that they use in this attempt to deplatform people they disagree

00:16:18.720 with is this tactic where there's some sort of manufactured controversy.

00:16:23.340 Take a clip from one of our shows, and then what you get is the pseudo-journalist from

00:16:27.200 Huffington Post who calls up an advertiser.

00:16:29.280 Right?

00:16:29.420 And all that is designed to do is not actually get a story.

00:16:32.380 There's no story.

00:16:33.060 The advertiser hasn't said anything.

00:16:34.240 They advertise on lots of shows.

00:16:35.540 It's specifically designed to create a feeling of pressure for the advertiser.

00:16:38.660 Like, if you don't pull, there are going to be questions from all over the media about

00:16:42.560 how nefarious you are.

00:16:43.720 It's awesome.

00:16:43.860 What they do with Laura Ingraham is they do with Tucker Carlson.

00:16:46.140 It's all bullshit.

00:16:47.100 It's complete bullshit.

00:16:48.080 It's eight guys with phones, and they're calling up advertisers, and then there's no

00:16:51.820 boycott that ever takes place.

00:16:52.780 By the way, there has never been a successfully led, media-driven boycott of one of these companies.

00:16:58.100 Even from the left, when they tried to boycott Chick-fil-A, its stock went up.

00:17:01.140 There is no way—Nike's stock has been up since Colin Kaepernick.

00:17:03.960 There is no way to boycott one of these companies.

00:17:05.560 So here's the part that's really nefarious.

00:17:07.820 These media guardians of free speech and the free press, here's what they're really

00:17:11.720 after.

00:17:12.260 What they are really after is not just ideologically silencing their opponents.

00:17:15.660 It is that YouTube has already announced that they are going to start favoring authoritative

00:17:19.400 voices.

00:17:20.140 You've seen Facebook making similar statements.

00:17:21.900 They're going to favor authoritative voices.

00:17:23.660 Who are these authoritative voices?

00:17:25.500 Hmm.

00:17:26.020 Let's guess.

00:17:26.800 Might it be the people over at Vox and Daily Beast and the New York Times and CNN?

00:17:31.260 So in other words, they are trying to reestablish the mainstream media dominance they

00:17:34.680 couldn't achieve through open markets because they suck.

00:17:37.320 And instead, what they are trying to do is pressure big tech into de-platforming or de-emphasizing

00:17:42.480 content people want to see in favor of content people don't want to see.

00:17:46.020 So it's, you're going to make them eat their vegetables, we're the vegetables, make them

00:17:49.520 eat their vegetables, and we will endorse censorship to do it.

00:17:51.840 It creates a world in which Joe Biden can get up and give the speech he gave yesterday,

00:17:55.320 in which he talked about the evil Donald Trump calling the press enemies of the people.

00:17:58.500 And what a horrible thing this was, a guy who was vice president to the most oppressive

00:18:03.280 anti-press president who has ever lived, a guy who bugged the press.

00:18:06.480 Well, Woodrow was in his life.

00:18:07.380 Yeah, no, no, there are people who have done the same.

00:18:11.120 But Obama, the New York Times was saying it, while Obama was in office, this guy is denying

00:18:16.040 us access.

00:18:17.800 More FOIA requests declined than anybody ever, a record which he broke twice.

00:18:24.240 I mean, this is an administration that shut down the press constantly, was on the phone

00:18:30.300 whenever he heard criticism, was on the phone from the White House telling the press, hey,

00:18:34.380 this has got to stop.

00:18:35.620 Trump's not doing any of that.

00:18:36.600 He's openly criticizing them, which I think is what a straight guy does.

00:18:39.980 Although, when he pretends to be his own press secretary and calls the media.

00:18:43.440 Did you see, I thought it was the most subtle instrument the New York Times used in that

00:18:48.680 hit piece, which was in that last paragraph, the guy, Caleb Cain, that they were interviewing.

00:18:53.500 He said, well, one thing I learned is if you go to YouTube thinking you're going to get

00:18:57.680 an education, you better realize you're not.

00:18:59.900 You can't get an education.

00:19:01.180 Why did they put that in there?

00:19:02.700 This is the same tactic the left has used since the 60s.

00:19:06.040 Lionel Trilling, the leftist intellectual, said in the 60s, liberalism is the only intellectual

00:19:11.200 tradition in the U.S.

00:19:12.440 And conservatism is nothing but an irritable mental gesture.

00:19:16.960 Obviously, it should be dismissed.

00:19:18.340 And I think the message here is even the censoring left, if you said that we're just educating

00:19:25.780 people, you have different voices on your show, we bring different people on, even they,

00:19:30.480 I think, would push back and say, well, we shouldn't stop education.

00:19:33.380 But if there's no educational value, if you're just a provocateur, if you're just looking for

00:19:38.780 attention, well, then not only can you censor them, then you should censor them.

00:19:42.660 And by the way, Lionel Trilling was an actual intellectual.

00:19:45.720 They had them on the left in those days.

00:19:47.400 Anybody who reads the New York Times op-ed page and then reads the Wall Street Journal

00:19:50.880 op-ed page, it's the difference between children and adults.

00:19:53.600 You're watching people, this hysteria, this anti-Trump hysteria at the New York Times,

00:19:57.760 which cannot stand up to real journalism anyway.

00:19:59.940 I've never seen anything emanating from anyone remotely associated with the intellectual dark

00:20:04.440 web that is remotely comparable to the lack of skill, preparation, or knowledge on the

00:20:10.460 New York Times editorial page.

00:20:11.420 It's insane.

00:20:12.300 It's quite incredible.

00:20:12.800 It's insane.

00:20:13.280 I mean, the columnists over at the Times editorial page, I mean, it's good.

00:20:16.720 They provide me a lot of material for my show.

00:20:18.340 But that's about all they're good for, and bird feed.

00:20:21.200 You know, there's been a sort of meme out there that if something doesn't define itself

00:20:26.780 as conservative, like you guys define yourselves here as conservative, so you have a sort of line

00:20:30.880 that you will not cross.

00:20:32.100 You can have disagreements, respectful disagreements, but you have certain lines that you guys believe

00:20:35.920 in that you will not cross.

00:20:37.380 I actually have a respect for that outside of what my differences might be,

00:20:40.940 because that means you will keep a certain set of values in place.

00:20:44.340 What's happening with the left is that they, because they think that anything on any given

00:20:49.100 moment, you might be a guy, you might be a girl, you might be this, you might be that.

00:20:52.560 If you're a black person, but you say you're white, how can we deny your lived reality?

00:20:56.200 Because of that, they have no bearing in what is actually real anymore.

00:21:00.660 So every institution, I think this is really what's happening.

00:21:03.840 Every institution that doesn't specifically say it's conservative will eventually go off

00:21:09.280 the rails to the left.

00:21:10.420 And that's what's happening, because it will eventually implode, because you'll keep bringing

00:21:13.580 in more people who will keep undermining every piece of truth that you try to put out there.

00:21:19.120 And then eventually, you'll never be able to hire anybody, because if you're a male, you

00:21:23.700 won't want to hire a female, because then she could meet to you.

00:21:26.400 And if you're a gay guy, you won't want to hire another gay guy.

00:21:29.540 And if you're a white guy, you won't want to hire a black guy.

00:21:32.000 And I mean, you can extrapolate that every which way down the road.

00:21:34.940 So in a weird way, there's an argument to be made here that by clearly you guys saying

00:21:40.040 we are a conservative network, you take it or leave it.

00:21:43.240 There's a strength in that, even if you don't have every single opinion here.

00:21:46.980 And I'm not saying that you guys are opposed to those opinions.

00:21:49.120 I'm here, right?

00:21:49.720 And I'm happy to talk about what our differences may be.

00:21:51.660 But I think that's partly what's happening.

00:21:53.220 When you talk about the New York Times newsroom, I mean, I'm pretty sure we both,

00:21:56.400 have some insiders over there.

00:21:57.620 The entire place has become a woke disaster, where even the moderates, you think Brett

00:22:04.200 Stevens is having fun at the New York Times?

00:22:05.920 Barry Weiss.

00:22:06.680 Barry Weiss is getting shellacked every day over there.

00:22:09.420 And that's the irony.

00:22:10.680 Who hates Barry Weiss?

00:22:12.140 It's the left more than the right.

00:22:13.740 And she's far more of a lefty than I am at this point.

00:22:16.240 But who hates her?

00:22:17.260 Who's coming after her?

00:22:18.040 I was talking to somebody on the left today, and we had a really good conversation.

00:22:20.880 This is a pretty famous person on the left.

00:22:22.540 And we had a very good conversation.

00:22:24.100 At the end, he said, you know, if people, I said, you know, if people find out that we

00:22:27.720 had this conversation, there could be consequences for you, because this is the way that the world

00:22:30.960 works now.

00:22:31.640 And he says, it's weird, because I really don't think that your people are going to have

00:22:34.260 any problem with us talking.

00:22:35.460 And I said, of course not.

00:22:36.660 Of course not.

00:22:37.220 Because people on our side are fine with these conversations.

00:22:40.380 We're happy to be treated as human beings, right?

00:22:42.440 That's pretty much all we ask, is that you treat us as human.

00:22:44.420 And this is why I think really what the New York Times is doing in order to take everybody

00:22:48.180 down a peg and treat us as non-human is so telling.

00:22:51.600 That montage, that montage they put on the front page, the collage rather, is so astonishing

00:22:57.880 in the people that it juxtaposes.

00:22:59.760 It's unbelievable.

00:23:00.820 They put Milton Friedman on there.

00:23:02.580 Milton Friedman's been dead for a while, guys.

00:23:04.240 He ain't radicalizing nobody.

00:23:05.500 He didn't radicalize anybody when he was alive.

00:23:07.240 But it's also, the mainstream media doesn't know what the alt-right is, because to them,

00:23:14.400 we are all alt-right, right?

00:23:15.640 They can't discriminate.

00:23:16.280 I don't agree with you about this.

00:23:17.800 So Milton Friedman is hated by the alt-right.

00:23:20.900 So this guy says in his article, you know, Cain or whatever the kid's name is, says, well,

00:23:25.360 I mean, I never became a white supremacist.

00:23:27.260 I never believed in the ethno-state.

00:23:29.120 I never bought into any, like, conspiracy theories or anything.

00:23:31.700 Oh, so not alt-right.

00:23:34.120 Like, you were never on the alt-right.

00:23:36.160 He called himself a trad con.

00:23:37.420 A traditional thing.

00:23:38.900 But a trad con who thought that men were men and women were women, which was, you know,

00:23:42.940 which is radical of the New York Times.

00:23:44.400 But shouldn't we give the devil his due here?

00:23:45.620 I mean, it seems to me that they've actually had perhaps a better strategy than we've all

00:23:49.340 had, because it seems to be working at some level.

00:23:51.540 Sure, our subscribers are all growing, and our real numbers are growing, and I could literally

00:23:56.720 tweet a picture of my dog, and it'll get more retweets than the New York Times best

00:24:00.400 story of the day.

00:24:01.500 I'll test this later.

00:24:03.580 But we should sort of give the devil his due, because in a way, by them calling us,

00:24:07.220 Nazis for the last couple years, they've set the stage for where we're at now.

00:24:11.600 So it's not that they kind of don't know what they're doing, or they can't define the

00:24:14.860 alt-right or some version of that.

00:24:16.360 It's actually, they were planning this the entire time.

00:24:18.600 So, as Ben has said, we're really focusing today on the things that make it possible

00:24:23.280 for us to continue to bring our message to folks, in particular, because everyone's trying

00:24:27.180 to take away our capacity to bring our message to folks.

00:24:29.860 And one thing that really helps is if you support our great sponsors, and one of the greatest

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00:24:45.480 It's like, it's the best thing on TV.

00:24:47.180 It would radicalize me.

00:24:48.140 It would radicalize you.

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00:25:00.700 That's exactly right.

00:25:01.540 We will defend your ability to go out and say things, whether we agree or not.

00:25:06.000 So on the other hand, they're heavily armed, which helps.

00:25:08.520 When the founders crafted the Constitution, the first thing they did was make sacred the

00:25:11.660 rights of the individual to share ideas without limitation by the government.

00:25:14.680 The second right they enumerated was the right of the population to protect that speech and

00:25:18.020 their own persons with force.

00:25:19.700 I believe in those principles.

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00:26:17.600 They don't even have a promo code.

00:26:18.680 I mean, really, think about that.

00:26:19.640 They're just saying, we're going to defend the basic ability to have these ideas.

00:26:22.820 So I could have progressives on my show, like the Weinstein Brothers or Sam Harris

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00:26:29.240 But I have a script that's similar to that, and I believe that they are helping us do

00:26:33.880 what we're supposed to be doing.

00:26:35.720 Absolutely.

00:26:36.080 I don't know how much of a better credit you can give.

00:26:37.900 We should point out the one good thing that has come out of this,

00:26:40.100 is that Glenn Greenwald called Crowder a contemptuous cretin,

00:26:42.900 which I think even Crowder would agree to that.

00:26:45.180 Alicia, we're going to check in with some of our DailyWire.com subscribers.

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00:27:01.140 Alicia, what are we hearing?

00:27:02.660 Absolutely.

00:27:03.180 We have some great questions going with the topic of tonight about censorship.

00:27:07.740 Marie wants to know if you guys can explain the difference,

00:27:10.080 in layman's terms, between platform and publisher.

00:27:12.960 And this is actually a bit contentious.

00:27:17.500 There are divided legal opinions on Twitter.

00:27:20.200 Popat really read me the riot act about how wrong I am.

00:27:23.460 That's a good thing, yeah.

00:27:23.960 At the same time, Senator Ted Cruz still seems to take our view,

00:27:27.540 and he's smarter than me.

00:27:30.360 When we talk about the distinction between publisher and platform,

00:27:34.480 what we're talking about basically is,

00:27:36.520 are you an open channel in which your content is provided by users?

00:27:41.140 So if you think about the way Facebook works,

00:27:43.800 when you're scrubbing through there, you're not looking for Facebook posts.

00:27:46.700 You're looking for posts from the girl you went to high school,

00:27:49.020 or pictures of your neighbor's kid, or pictures of somebody's cute dog.

00:27:52.740 Or pictures of the girl you went to high school.

00:27:54.020 Or pictures of the girl you went to high school with, yeah.

00:27:56.300 And so in that sense, they're a platform.

00:28:00.480 They're not executing editorial discretion as to what's published.

00:28:05.420 We, at thedailywire.com, we're a publisher.

00:28:08.520 We're not a platform.

00:28:09.340 Our content isn't user-generated.

00:28:11.180 We're not an open forum.

00:28:12.580 We curate the content that we publish.

00:28:14.740 We have a strong editorial voice.

00:28:17.000 Now, I actually will compliment Ben here as our editor-in-chief.

00:28:20.300 We publish lots of people who disagree with Ben.

00:28:22.600 We have people on staff whose job is to disagree with Ben.

00:28:26.680 Nevertheless, we do decide where the boundaries are.

00:28:29.560 We do decide what content is fit to publish.

00:28:32.380 As such, as publishers, we're subject to certain legal liabilities.

00:28:37.520 We have liability when we publish a piece.

00:28:39.820 If there's information that's libelous, for example.

00:28:43.780 If there are copyright violations, then all of that redounds to our detriment.

00:28:49.120 Whereas, if Facebook finds itself in similar positions, they are protected.

00:28:53.480 And they're protected because of this Section 230 of the...

00:28:57.360 Communications Decency Act.

00:28:58.500 The Communications Decency Act, yes.

00:29:00.440 And which was not written for them, but they have been determined by Congress to fit.

00:29:05.600 And there's a good reason why they added this provision into the Communications Decency Act,

00:29:09.700 which is, you remember, I mean, I was just a glint in my father's eye at the time.

00:29:13.440 But in the 90s, the internet was exploding.

00:29:16.900 And these companies that were pushing the internet into this incredible innovation

00:29:20.800 would have been totally hampered from doing that

00:29:23.580 if every image they put up got them dinged for copyright

00:29:27.120 or every defamatory statement on the internet.

00:29:29.680 I mean, every statement.

00:29:30.480 In a comment section.

00:29:31.100 Yeah, in a comment section.

00:29:32.100 Every statement on the internet comment section is defamatory.

00:29:34.760 So it would have shut down the internet.

00:29:36.420 So they put this provision in to let the internet explode.

00:29:39.040 It led to these incredible billion-dollar platforms that we're all talking about.

00:29:42.520 And now, part of the issue is, the platforms can clean up their own comment sections fine.

00:29:49.360 They're not applying the rules fairly or transparently.

00:29:52.660 They are dinging one group for using the exact same words that another group gets to say on the platform.

00:29:58.860 And that, it seems to me, is clearly the behavior of a publisher.

00:30:03.280 So what's going to have to happen is a clarification by Congress of what this means.

00:30:07.300 Because, obviously, there is this line.

00:30:09.580 On one side is the, you can post whatever you want.

00:30:12.040 That's a platform.

00:30:12.960 On the other side is the, we curate our own content.

00:30:15.440 We pay people to post and all of this.

00:30:17.840 That's a publisher.

00:30:19.500 There is a place where it starts to shade from one into the other.

00:30:21.740 That is not clearly defined.

00:30:23.380 And so what Popat says is that it's clearly defined in the law.

00:30:26.060 I mean, there are independent users who don't work for Facebook who are posting stuff,

00:30:29.160 just like there are independent people in our comment sections who are posting stuff.

00:30:32.280 We're not responsible for the stuff that our commenters post, which is basically true.

00:30:36.180 But the question becomes, is there a point at which Facebook's onerous attempts to quash one particular side of the aisle

00:30:44.420 effectively make it a publisher, particularly if they are benefiting from the perception that they are a publisher?

00:30:51.320 Or can they just, can they be a platform, but they actually have to, if you change the law,

00:30:55.780 do they have to be transparent about the standard that they are using

00:30:57.820 so that they are not gaining the benefit of being a publisher, of being a platform,

00:31:02.560 while simultaneously acting more like a publisher?

00:31:04.780 But doesn't this strike you guys as a horrible Faustian bargain, especially for conservatives and libertarians?

00:31:10.000 Like, okay, so let's pretend, let's just say that we all agree they're publishers.

00:31:14.160 We know that they are messing with all of us.

00:31:16.140 Well now, okay, so we're going to hand the power over to the government to be able to do that?

00:31:20.240 And maybe Trump is friendly to some of the ideas we're talking about here.

00:31:23.800 But now let's go...

00:31:25.260 But there is an argument to be made.

00:31:29.520 I know we can't trust Elizabeth Warren when she says break up big tech,

00:31:33.360 because I know that that is the deal that you were talking about.

00:31:35.960 But there is an argument to be made that these are essentially monopolies that can be broken up in order to foster competition.

00:31:42.020 I think that there are things that can be done that can't be done as long as they are so powerful that nobody can essentially challenge it.

00:31:47.900 Well, it is certainly true that the largest social media platform, Facebook, owns the second largest social media platform, Instagram.

00:31:55.060 Right.

00:31:55.440 And the largest search engine in the world, Google, owns the second largest search engine in the world, which is YouTube.

00:32:01.360 Right.

00:32:01.540 So I think that there may be something to this sort of monopoly issue, although I don't necessarily think that the government needs to break them up.

00:32:09.700 I think that if they were held to any kind...

00:32:11.960 This is why, with Popat's objections notwithstanding, and agreeing that Congress needs to clarify this,

00:32:18.520 if you hold them to a standard of being platforms, most of this is going to cure itself.

00:32:23.300 If you hold them to a standard of being publishers, also most of it will cure itself.

00:32:28.000 You know, some people in Congress want to treat them as utilities.

00:32:31.020 Right.

00:32:31.120 I'm also against that, although am I more against it than what we currently have?

00:32:35.800 Well, I'm not sure about that.

00:32:37.100 Right.

00:32:37.220 But if you think about AT&T can't take away your phone because you said something conservative to someone else on the...

00:32:45.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

00:32:45.880 But we are veering pretty close to that.

00:32:47.580 I mean, actually, right?

00:32:48.720 That's right.

00:32:49.140 Why are they allowing Alex Jones to have a phone?

00:32:51.940 Right.

00:32:52.540 I mean, you're seeing this from more and more corporations.

00:32:53.720 By the estimation of the way they think, you know.

00:32:55.280 You're seeing this from banks now.

00:32:56.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:56.680 That are refusing to do business with people based on their politics.

00:32:59.040 And it's getting into very dangerous...

00:33:00.120 And when you have...

00:33:01.160 What's the one that you can pay through with...

00:33:03.960 PayPal.

00:33:04.540 PayPal.

00:33:05.020 When you see PayPal refusing to service people that they don't like with opinions they don't like,

00:33:09.860 you know, that is essentially quashing competition.

00:33:12.700 Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:13.000 And you know the thing...

00:33:13.760 But although, again, as a libertarian leaner here, I will say that the more these platforms restrict, the more there are market openings for competitors.

00:33:23.780 What is it that Princess Leia said to her grandma Tarkin as she was about to blow up Alderaan?

00:33:29.720 The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your head.

00:33:34.260 You just blanked out there.

00:33:36.380 I did.

00:33:37.440 I just gave you the easiest softball ever.

00:33:41.480 But that's the libertarian idea, right?

00:33:43.420 The more you guys do this, you will give us opportunities to build something better.

00:33:47.180 And that's kind of where I'm coming from.

00:33:48.180 The one thing that I would say is that, you know, in sort of pressure tactics...

00:33:52.100 That was very good.

00:33:52.680 When it comes to pressure tactics, the idea of saying to these tech companies, look, everyone wants to regulate you.

00:33:59.300 Right, left, center.

00:34:00.380 Everyone is talking about regulating you.

00:34:01.800 You need to clarify what it is that you actually are doing.

00:34:05.600 Like, as a pressure tactic, I don't have any problem with that because that is a description of reality.

00:34:08.940 And it's also, on this Faustian bargain, I don't want to regulate social media.

00:34:13.480 Just as much as any libertarian, I do not want to regulate social media.

00:34:16.880 But I definitely want to regulate a publisher that is pretending to be a social media platform.

00:34:21.140 Well, this is really what it comes down to.

00:34:23.520 I'm done with the illusion that there is an open platform that is regularly targeting people for their specific, not only opinions, but the intentions that they imagine behind the opinions.

00:34:33.780 I'm done with that.

00:34:34.680 Well, what happened with you and Pinterest today?

00:34:36.960 You're a bad man on Pinterest.

00:34:38.520 Yeah, I'm a bad man on Pinterest.

00:34:39.580 Yeah, I'm a bad man everywhere.

00:34:40.660 I mean, for a nice, clean-cut young Jewish boy.

00:34:44.740 Really?

00:34:45.580 Yeah, you really flipped the nice Jewish boy thing on its head.

00:34:47.180 I know, it's really amazing.

00:34:48.820 How I went from, like, cleanest person in American life to uber-Nazi villain.

00:34:53.500 It's a pretty great origin story.

00:34:55.180 When they do the comics, it's going to be pretty fantastic.

00:34:57.780 So James O'Keefe broke this.

00:34:58.840 Yeah, James O'Keefe over at Project Veritas.

00:35:01.360 And then he got banned from Twitter temporarily.

00:35:03.520 For actually breaking the story.

00:35:04.260 For actually breaking the story.

00:35:05.400 So great job, Twitter, as always.

00:35:06.840 Right on the money.

00:35:08.060 So basically, Pinterest, I wasn't the main target.

00:35:10.580 I was one of the targets.

00:35:11.360 So basically, Pinterest has this internal Slack chat board where they're talking with the leadership of Pinterest about which messages to quash.

00:35:18.060 And one of the people that, one of the groups they decided to quash was live action run by our friend Lila Rose, right?

00:35:23.100 Pro-life group.

00:35:23.920 And they basically labeled it a pornography site.

00:35:27.340 That's right.

00:35:27.900 For purposes of banning it.

00:35:29.260 And then they also suggested that I was a white supremacist.

00:35:32.120 And therefore, my material should be downgraded, particularly the material about Islam.

00:35:35.380 So I'm not sure what they're going to do with that PragerU video where I talk about the glories of Islam from 700 to 1300.

00:35:40.100 I feel like that's going to be a little awkward.

00:35:41.800 Or maybe the video where I talk about why it's very good that Congress changed the rules that they'll have no mark and wear hijab on the floor as a person who wears a funny hat on a daily basis.

00:35:48.920 Right?

00:35:49.420 All that stuff.

00:35:50.640 Or my interviews with a wide variety of reformed Muslims.

00:35:53.740 All those, I guess, are now banned.

00:35:55.260 So they decided they were going to go after those.

00:35:57.220 They went after also Candace Owens.

00:35:58.880 I mean, they went after a bunch of people.

00:36:00.880 But, yeah, the tech platforms, here's the thing.

00:36:04.120 They got into business not in the great illusion and the great stupidity of a lot of the folks in Silicon Valley is that when you get into a business, the great good that your business will probably do is in the service that your good provides.

00:36:16.640 So if you're in a grocery, the great good of your grocery is that you provide goods at a low price to people that they can take home and then eat.

00:36:22.620 And if you are in our business and we are providing you information that you can consume.

00:36:26.060 And if you're in the Facebook business or if you're in the Pinterest business or the Twitter business, you're providing a platform on which people can freely engage.

00:36:32.880 And people have decided that's not enough.

00:36:34.480 Instead, we have to hone in on the motives and the messages.

00:36:39.120 And we're going to be true do-gooders.

00:36:40.640 Right?

00:36:40.700 We're going to be – it's not just Google's don't be evil.

00:36:43.200 It's instead do good.

00:36:45.020 Right?

00:36:45.260 Do good.

00:36:46.040 And once you've decided that the good is not in the good that you're providing to millions and billions of people, the good is actually your perspective on life and that's what people need to imbibe,

00:36:54.260 then you get in some really ugly territory.

00:36:57.240 But I would say that brings me back to why I said there's – we have to give the devil his due.

00:37:01.000 When they were calling all you guys – when I was on the Young Turks, when I was a lefty and a progressive,

00:37:05.060 and when I started waking up to some of this nonsense, the first part of it was that it suddenly – one day it just seemed crazy to me that all of you were Nazis.

00:37:13.940 I was like, this can't be right.

00:37:16.120 Like, I don't know.

00:37:16.740 Well, maybe Klavan's a Nazi.

00:37:18.600 No, I am.

00:37:20.180 Maybe Klavan might be a Nazi.

00:37:22.980 But, like, they can't all be Nazis.

00:37:24.880 They can't – but they did that intentionally because what we will all do is sit around and try to figure out what is morally right,

00:37:32.800 what is ethically right, what is right in terms of good business practice, legal issues, all of that.

00:37:39.360 And what they are doing is they're on a moral crusade, and their moral crusade doesn't – there is – I've never seen one instance in the seven or so years that I've been doing this

00:37:49.660 where they've been given some penance and they've said, okay, we'll ease up for a little while.

00:37:54.860 They take everything as fuel for more insanity.

00:37:59.560 And one of the reasons for this is that their policies actually don't work.

00:38:03.140 And this is an important thing.

00:38:04.320 I mean, the main proof of their policies not working is the collapse of the Soviet Union.

00:38:08.720 And I think it's since then –

00:38:10.360 I thought you were going to say Los Angeles.

00:38:11.540 That had nothing to do with communism.

00:38:12.780 No, no, no, no.

00:38:13.400 The collapse of the Soviet Union had to do with Donald Trump and Trump Trump and Trump something Trump.

00:38:17.940 You know whose policies do work?

00:38:18.660 It was that big gold Trump on the top of the Berlin Wall, I remember it.

00:38:21.700 Hey, Drew.

00:38:22.120 Oh, let's hear it.

00:38:22.840 You know whose policies do work?

00:38:23.840 Go for it.

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00:39:51.360 Can I ask a question of the group here?

00:39:55.040 I'm a First Amendment purist virtually.

00:39:57.540 I mean, I almost would let you cry fire in a crowded theater.

00:40:00.720 Almost.

00:40:01.300 Okay.

00:40:02.180 And I'm a libertarian as well.

00:40:04.920 And yet, it seems to me that the internet has created certain things that we've never seen before.

00:40:09.380 Certain kinds of ways in which that change the brain, especially of children, especially of young people,

00:40:14.280 that maybe we haven't all taken into account as almost like viruses that go beyond the actual information that's being contained.

00:40:23.040 And I wonder, the reason I've become interested in the idea of breaking up big tech is because I think that we actually need to have tech services like Facebook

00:40:30.880 that have parental controls, that actually have power and bite, that can actually say, here's a phone for the kids.

00:40:38.740 So if he's kidnapped, he can call me and tell me where he is.

00:40:41.660 But he can't get porn on the phone.

00:40:43.420 You know, pornography, just a good example, it's not that I think pornography should be banned.

00:40:48.740 I do think it should be controlled.

00:40:50.260 I do think that there's something really sick happening with pornography to young people that is actually damaging their sex lives and maybe damaging...

00:40:57.160 But how do you negotiate that with your libertarian side?

00:40:59.420 Well, what I'm saying is that if there were more competition, you could choose a platform, you know, to dominate your internet world that had more restrictions.

00:41:10.000 The only reason that I don't...

00:41:10.900 You could also not do that.

00:41:11.660 So you want to go back to AOL.

00:41:13.380 I mean, that's interesting.

00:41:14.080 That's the way the internet works.

00:41:15.060 It's unboxing and reboxing and everything else.

00:41:16.780 But you want to go back to portals to get in that are going to basically gatekeep some version of what you sort of think is okay and we'd all have our own portals.

00:41:25.140 And if you...

00:41:25.700 Because this is a big change, you know, there's no such thing as a record player where like a Frank Sinatra record comes out and you can only play it on a certain record player.

00:41:33.420 But there is that in video games.

00:41:34.900 Certain games come out and you can only play it on Xbox and ultimately maybe it comes out for the other platforms.

00:41:41.020 It seems to me that that may be kind of the new mode of competition where if you want certain products that are going to be on this platform and not on another platform, it just seems to me that maybe we should have more control, especially as parents, over the way...

00:41:57.020 Why can't that alternative be provided now in the absence of government breaking up this thing?

00:41:59.820 But here's why.

00:42:01.180 Why can't that alternative just arise now?

00:42:03.260 Well, it can unless these guys are so powerful they can quash them.

00:42:05.420 I don't think it's their power and I don't think it's their ability to quash.

00:42:08.480 I think it's something else entire.

00:42:10.260 It's the superhighway is what we want on the internet.

00:42:14.320 Facebook doesn't work if the girl you went to high school with isn't on Facebook.

00:42:18.660 Twitter doesn't work if William Shatner can't re...

00:42:20.820 Wait, has William Shatner never retweeted any of you?

00:42:24.780 No, you've got to be kidding.

00:42:26.460 No, it happened.

00:42:27.780 Unbelievable.

00:42:28.640 We're not worthy.

00:42:30.020 YouTube only works if I can go there and find all the videos that I might be looking for.

00:42:35.280 The reason that you can't compete with these guys is because they have achieved a kind of scale and we all expect that scale.

00:42:42.960 So you can create a Twitter.

00:42:44.260 I mean, we've got the money as a company right now.

00:42:46.300 We can hire some development.

00:42:48.760 Ruben probably doesn't.

00:42:49.580 We do.

00:42:50.340 We can hire...

00:42:51.420 We're doing okay.

00:42:52.920 We're doing my own Twitter.

00:42:55.060 He's got a bankroll in his pocket.

00:42:56.220 But the problem is the second we create one and the gal that you went to high school with isn't on it, eh.

00:43:01.740 And then it just becomes...

00:43:02.940 It suffers from the sort of sad fate of gab.

00:43:05.420 It suffers from the sad fate of gab.

00:43:07.320 But then they are utility.

00:43:08.040 Well, I think there is a fair argument that they have reached a level where they are something...

00:43:11.940 Because there's gab.

00:43:12.860 There's parlor.

00:43:13.720 I mean, there are other Twitters.

00:43:15.620 People just don't use them.

00:43:16.900 That's right.

00:43:17.540 They become niche, so supremely focused, you know, that they're virtually ghettos for a teeny worldview.

00:43:26.120 And that's not fun.

00:43:26.840 None of us want that.

00:43:27.440 Yeah, but maybe we add utilities.

00:43:29.040 Utilities are created because the government crowds out all the other options.

00:43:32.380 Railroads were utilities because the government gave land grants to particular railroads.

00:43:36.680 The phone lines are utilities.

00:43:37.880 The government actually prevents many phone companies from coming in, which is why a lot of the phone companies have basically been pummeled since the rise of cell phones and satellite phones.

00:43:47.200 I mean, all that has changed everything.

00:43:50.140 I'm not particularly warm toward this specific argument.

00:43:53.820 Again, this is why we have platforms like Daily Wire because in the end, I really believe that...

00:43:58.920 And you're seeing it with all of us.

00:44:00.680 I mean, in the last week, as all of these platforms cracked down on us, we have seen a significant uptick in subscribers.

00:44:07.060 I know Crowder has seen a significant uptick in subscribers.

00:44:09.320 I know you've seen a significant uptick in subscribers.

00:44:11.980 They're trying to squeeze the air out of the balloon, but it's still a balloon, and the air is going to go to different parts of the balloon.

00:44:16.180 So I think that in the end, maybe I'm too optimistic, but I think that a lot of these tech companies, it's going to hurt us in the here and now, obviously, because when you shut down our methods of distribution, then it hurts.

00:44:27.440 But in the long run, I still think people find, unless you're living in Nazi Germany and they are literally destroying the presses, people are going to find a way to find information.

00:44:36.300 When I bring you the example of Rush Limbaugh, AM radio was not a thing.

00:44:39.740 And then there were no conservative platforms available.

00:44:42.300 And then Rush Limbaugh started broadcasting on this crap piece of technology called the AM radio, where he could barely hear what was going on for all the static, and suddenly he's got 20 million listeners.

00:44:52.140 But the one difference is that—

00:44:53.360 Can we just get the loop of you saying maybe I'm being too optimistic and just play it over the song?

00:44:57.000 The one difference is that I think conservatives did that again with the platforms.

00:45:02.840 I actually think conservatives have already done it.

00:45:04.820 We were the best on Facebook.

00:45:05.960 We're the best on Twitter.

00:45:06.880 We're the best on YouTube.

00:45:09.000 And so they're not—the left doesn't want to make the mistake they made with AM talk radio.

00:45:12.760 They're just going to take it away from us.

00:45:14.760 And what I'm saying is if they take it away from us, then that's why we have Daily Wire.

00:45:17.800 That's why—and conservatives, I think, are thinking in this direction.

00:45:20.860 I think conservatives see what is coming.

00:45:22.020 They see this train coming down the track, and they realize that eventually they're going to have to put their money where their mouth is.

00:45:29.980 And it's not just going to be going to YouTube and watching stuff for free that YouTube approves of and monetizes in the way that YouTube wants to monetize it.

00:45:37.260 They're going to have to support the kind of programming that they want to support.

00:45:39.740 But it's not just about the—

00:45:40.920 Daily Wire.com slash subscribe.

00:45:41.360 Yeah, it's not just about the financial portion, though, because the way they're coming after you, the way they've been coming after me, is not purely so that you guys don't get subscribers here.

00:45:50.300 Right, right.

00:45:50.520 It is to taint you, specifically you, right, to taint you to the point that politicians will be afraid to walk into the doors here.

00:45:59.380 It is to make sure that Pete Buttigieg will not do my show.

00:46:02.440 And they want to get it to the point that not because of anything you've actually said.

00:46:06.540 I mean, you have your ongoing list of things that you've messed up, right?

00:46:09.820 So it has nothing to do with what you've said or what your intentions are.

00:46:12.440 But they want to make you toxic enough so that people, that contributors will be afraid to walk in here, so that guests will be afraid to appear with you, so that people won't want to tour with me, et cetera, et cetera.

00:46:22.860 Because they already know they've got us at some level.

00:46:26.260 Yeah, this is the real danger.

00:46:27.360 On the platform front.

00:46:28.540 So the next level is they're going to fight this.

00:46:30.880 Look, what are they doing right now?

00:46:32.300 And the purpose, partly what they've done here is, I guarantee you it's the same for you guys as it is for me.

00:46:37.060 My Wikipedia page is a freaking disaster.

00:46:39.420 Not because of anything I've actually said, but they get, somebody puts the data in society, report out, New York Times links to it.

00:46:45.480 So Phil DeFranco, who's a huge YouTuber, like 9 million subscribers, the guy now is associated with the alt-right in the New York Times.

00:46:52.380 So now congratulations, that's in his Wikipedia.

00:46:54.760 And then what will happen?

00:46:55.800 Well, six months from now, Vox will do a piece on it, then New York Times doubles down, and next thing you know, he can't get some contract with some sponsor that he wants.

00:47:04.080 So it's not just about, this is where.

00:47:06.340 They're actually politically resegregating society.

00:47:08.900 Yes.

00:47:09.300 Is what's happening.

00:47:09.980 Absolutely.

00:47:10.480 And when that happens, if that's what they're going to do, that's what they're going to get.

00:47:13.240 What I mean by that is you see it with Alabama.

00:47:16.140 So Alabama passes their pro-life law.

00:47:18.100 And Hollywood goes, okay, well, we're not going to produce film in Alabama or Georgia or any of these other states.

00:47:23.180 But you think Alabama and Georgia have any obligation to do business with the businesses in California?

00:47:28.060 They're just going to build conservative alternatives.

00:47:30.140 They're going to build their own safe spaces.

00:47:32.080 And all this is really doing is accelerating the downfall of us as a united country.

00:47:36.220 I mean, that's really what we're talking about.

00:47:37.440 There's one state in America that has a disunited legislature.

00:47:40.920 One.

00:47:41.640 It's Minnesota.

00:47:42.340 It's the only state in America that has a legislature that is split between the parties.

00:47:46.720 Every other state in America has a unified legislature by party.

00:47:50.900 Okay, what that means, and basically the entire Northeast is Democrat.

00:47:54.580 And then you have Oregon and California and Washington on the West Coast.

00:47:58.800 And those are all Democrat.

00:47:59.660 And everything else, except for maybe like Nevada and New Mexico, everything else in the middle of the country is all red.

00:48:05.920 All of those legislatures are red.

00:48:07.140 And it's going to get worse because the Democrats have decided they don't want to do business with those places.

00:48:11.960 They've decided they don't want to do business with particular brands.

00:48:14.460 They're trying to force other brands to go woke or go broke.

00:48:18.240 I mean, that's really their new slogan.

00:48:20.280 That's why you're seeing Gillette suddenly embracing ads with women shaving their faces because they're actually transgender men.

00:48:26.920 Who is their chief constituency?

00:48:30.180 It's guys age 25 who need to shave their face.

00:48:32.840 And you're advertising a man teaching his daughter to shave her face because it's go woke or go broke.

00:48:37.360 They understand that the left must have the virtue signaling or they will not buy the product.

00:48:41.360 How about Budweiser celebrating asexuality for Gay Pride Month, which I didn't even know that asexuality had anything to do with Gay Pride Month.

00:48:48.440 I mean, there's only one guy.

00:48:49.520 There's like one guy there.

00:48:50.760 Also, yeah, first of all, it certainly has nothing to do with Gay Pride Month or Straight Pride Month or Straight Pride Month.

00:48:57.140 Like there's one person in America who is an amoeba.

00:48:59.640 If you guys want one day somewhere, but you don't get to throw it in Gay Pride Month, that's the worst month you throw it in.

00:49:05.900 That makes no sense.

00:49:07.160 And also, you saw that ad?

00:49:09.200 And it's all in black and white and gray because they have no color in their sexuality.

00:49:13.540 Like the whole thing is, but you're right.

00:49:15.400 That's what they're trying to do there.

00:49:17.000 But it doesn't work because you already referenced Chick-fil-A.

00:49:19.220 It never works.

00:49:19.700 And you know what's going to happen?

00:49:21.140 Then you're going to get Black Riffle Coffee.

00:49:22.380 Too much taste to drink Budweiser.

00:49:24.040 Oh, yeah.

00:49:25.400 I mean, come on.

00:49:25.940 I mean, speaking of this, this kind of like ever-present battle, this kind of ever-pushing the envelope, it is amazing in our culture how this works.

00:49:34.760 I mean, 20 years ago, there was actual controversy in this country, 30 years ago, there was actual controversy in this country about decriminalization of sodomy laws.

00:49:41.800 Right.

00:49:42.020 Right?

00:49:42.280 And then everybody kind of went, okay, this is stupid.

00:49:44.600 Why is the government involved in this?

00:49:45.740 These aren't enforced anyway.

00:49:46.680 This is dumb.

00:49:47.180 It's none of the government's business.

00:49:48.500 We're like, okay, fine.

00:49:49.480 And then there was civil union battle.

00:49:51.000 And everybody was like, all right.

00:49:52.480 And then there was gay marriage.

00:49:53.660 And that was more controversial because it was using the word marriage.

00:49:56.700 But most people are basically like, all right, even if I disagree with it, is it really my business?

00:50:01.220 Do I really care?

00:50:01.820 And now, like with every single, there's now the new, it's always the new push.

00:50:07.800 So now we get a big controversy over whether we are supposed to actively fly the gay pride flag over the U.S. embassy in like Botswana.

00:50:16.460 Yeah.

00:50:17.000 What in the actual hell?

00:50:19.000 Like, I've never thought of flying a different flag than the United States flag over the United States embassy.

00:50:23.720 It's not called the United States.

00:50:25.540 Ben, Ben, Ben.

00:50:26.280 You are an alt right now.

00:50:27.500 I know.

00:50:27.820 No, this is, as soon as I say, I mean, this is, so I made this joke and then Jeremy stole this joke as is his want.

00:50:33.280 Oh, man.

00:50:33.600 What?

00:50:33.860 Oh, come on.

00:50:34.480 I got a lot of miles out of it, guys.

00:50:36.780 Oh, in that case.

00:50:37.360 I did a lot.

00:50:37.860 To be fair, the joke sort of initiated a little bit with Jeremy's.

00:50:40.620 We were talking about this today.

00:50:42.020 And Jeremy was saying, well, you know, since we're doing this, since we have to have all the embassies flying the gay pride flag, obviously the American soldiers should take the flag patch off of their uniforms and put on the gay pride flag so people know, like, really what they're fighting for.

00:50:52.760 Because obviously this is America.

00:50:54.660 Right?

00:50:54.940 And so what I said is what we really should do is it should be sort of like the NFL or the MLB.

00:51:00.820 And we should switch it up every month.

00:51:02.480 So, like, we should have a breast cancer awareness patch.

00:51:05.360 And so when we're killing Taliban guys, when our guys are killing Taliban guys, they should know that we're killing them out of half a breast cancer.

00:51:12.220 They should know that every cause, like National Hispanic Awareness Month or something, I think it's September 15th to October 15th, we should shift the flag.

00:51:19.440 The Asians and the Jews have the same month, which I find a little suspicious.

00:51:22.160 Well, but we all know who we're fighting the Taliban for.

00:51:26.240 We all know who we're fighting the Taliban for.

00:51:29.140 But wait, this goes to what I was saying before about that they never stop, right?

00:51:33.760 So, I tweeted this earlier, but it reminds me of what's going on with the flag.

00:51:38.060 We've got to fly the gay flag in Botswana.

00:51:40.580 It's so stupid.

00:51:41.480 It reminds me, I'm sure you all saw the episode of Seinfeld when Kramer gets yelled at because he won't wear the AIDS ribbon.

00:51:48.660 He goes there, he's going to march, he's going to show up, he's there for them, right?

00:51:52.940 He's going to raise money.

00:51:54.220 But that's not good enough for them.

00:51:56.060 That's not good.

00:51:56.700 You won't wear the ribbon?

00:51:57.940 Who won't wear the ribbon?

00:51:58.960 And then they end up kicking the, can I curse here?

00:52:01.200 Yeah.

00:52:01.840 Shit out of the guy.

00:52:03.400 Right?

00:52:03.620 Like the mob, the gay or aide, whatever the hell that mob was, they went after Kramer because it wasn't good enough that you show up.

00:52:10.880 It's not good that you fundraise, that you do exactly what they always want.

00:52:14.320 You know, one thing, though, that none of us is acknowledging here, which I think we're really missing, is our embassy in Botswana is super gay.

00:52:21.300 I wonder if I could put in a good word on behalf of the president of the United States here.

00:52:28.400 I know that's not always popular, but I wonder if there's something, you know, we all know that he's a guy who works by his gut.

00:52:34.320 I mean, he's obviously not a guy who works by his brain.

00:52:36.300 Well, the usual logical progression.

00:52:38.820 But there may be something that he senses that's going on when you talk about the division of the countries, you talk about the division of the state houses.

00:52:44.980 It may be.

00:52:47.280 I think it is, actually.

00:52:48.480 Let me put this in a positive way.

00:52:50.100 We had a kind of consensus here after the World War II that was a kind of a, you know, it's right down the middle.

00:52:57.800 It was really a right down the middle consensus, a little bit to the right.

00:53:01.420 We would say it was a center-right country, but kind of always looking for reform, always looking for moderation.

00:53:06.900 That's gone.

00:53:07.580 That consensus is gone.

00:53:08.660 I think we can all agree on that.

00:53:09.820 And there's something that Trump gets about that.

00:53:11.920 There's something he knows that he has no ideology.

00:53:15.100 He just feels his way.

00:53:16.440 He's still invoking principles that used to be held in common.

00:53:19.200 And people are attributing to him an emptiness of principle because they think that he's doing it cynically.

00:53:24.840 But the fact is that, I was talking to somebody about this today.

00:53:27.700 If you look at every successful movement in American history, it's invoking those universal American principles and saying, but you haven't applied it properly to me.

00:53:34.760 So if you look at the civil rights movement, they look at the Declaration of Independence, and they say, the same way Frederick Douglass said 100 years before, they say the Declaration of Independence is exactly correct, and it's not equally applied to me, and it now must be applied to me.

00:53:47.900 And Americans, by and large, by the civil rights movement, they say, that's exactly right.

00:53:51.840 That's why MLK is honored and Malcolm X not so much because Malcolm X did not believe that, right?

00:53:55.900 And then the gay rights movement comes around, and they say basically the same thing.

00:53:59.380 They say, you know, there's this promise in the Constitution that everybody sort of gets left alone, and that's not being applied to me.

00:54:04.220 And Americans, by and large, go, all right, fair enough, that's cool.

00:54:07.340 And then we've reached a point where to even invoke the principle is considered reestablishing the hierarchy of power dominance.

00:54:15.400 That's the part that I find extremely dangerous about what's happening now.

00:54:18.040 If you quote the Declaration, if you quote the Constitution, by its very nature, this is now considered an act of white supremacy.

00:54:23.960 This is now considered an act of hierarchical power because the actual story of America is not the consistent invocation of good principles in order to broaden those principles.

00:54:33.520 The actual story of America is a hierarchy of power crammed down on people with less power who have to fight militantly in order to gain it.

00:54:41.000 And if they have to cynically use those principles from time to time to get there, then they will.

00:54:44.240 But the reality of America is minority groups struggling for power over majority groups.

00:54:48.620 And eventually those majority groups will have to—

00:54:50.520 See, to the point, because it's our principles.

00:54:52.900 This is what bothers me about the Saurabh Amari attack on David French is essentially saying—

00:54:58.960 It's all your Catholic things.

00:55:00.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:01.120 I'm not sure I'll agree with this.

00:55:02.000 Essentially saying that the liberal idea is ultimately illiberal, that the liberal idea ultimately eats itself.

00:55:10.040 And in this moment, you can make that argument.

00:55:12.320 But I'm not sure you can make that argument as essential and necessary.

00:55:16.060 I do not think it has to be this way.

00:55:17.540 I think this is something, again, that has been manufactured by the left.

00:55:21.900 You are absolutely right.

00:55:22.820 As the liberal here, I actually probably agree with Michael on this more.

00:55:26.040 I'm watching this thing.

00:55:27.100 That's not a shot at liberalism.

00:55:32.580 I mean, look, I got you, I think, the second time you were on my show to admit that in a normal, sane world, you are a classical liberal at heart.

00:55:39.360 Yeah, of course.

00:55:39.720 Right?

00:55:40.280 I mean, that those enlightenment principles and the belief in the individual and laissez-faire economics and light-touching government,

00:55:45.460 that all those things, we all basically agree on that.

00:55:47.920 And then there may be some differences on, let's say, abortion or a couple other things.

00:55:51.280 Okay, fine.

00:55:51.740 But that gets to what I was saying before, that things that don't define themselves as conservative tend to veer off into insanity.

00:55:59.220 That's basically it.

00:56:00.660 And I'm sort of, I'm sort of there now.

00:56:03.720 It sucks.

00:56:04.740 It sucks, but I'm sort of, I don't see an out on that.

00:56:08.660 Go ahead and make your way.

00:56:09.660 Because you're, well, here's, you know.

00:56:10.980 And I'm not saying that from a religious perspective, obviously.

00:56:14.180 The claim of liberalism, you know, you had all of this at the end of the 90s.

00:56:17.500 They said, liberalism, that's it.

00:56:18.660 We've reached the end of history, is what Fukuyama wrote.

00:56:21.740 And the claim of liberalism is that it's not an ideology like all the other ideologies.

00:56:26.040 That it's actually just the neutral playing ground.

00:56:28.880 It makes no claims.

00:56:30.100 You can all do whatever you want.

00:56:31.540 You can hold whatever views you want.

00:56:33.260 And what we're seeing now, increasingly so, is that it does make certain claims.

00:56:37.940 It does have certain premises.

00:56:39.580 It is not tolerant.

00:56:41.040 It's not tolerant of intolerance, as we're seeing on YouTube and all these social media platforms.

00:56:45.900 It is an ideology.

00:56:46.900 I love liberalism.

00:56:47.680 Every American conservative defends what is largely a liberal tradition.

00:56:52.060 But what a lot of these writers are, so Rob started to say this, and then other people

00:56:56.140 have said that since, is that liberalism is not sufficient in and of itself.

00:57:00.740 There are other premises that we have to think about.

00:57:03.100 That's what Bill McGurn wrote this.

00:57:04.980 Bill McGurn wrote this very eloquently in the Wall Street Journal, where he said,

00:57:09.260 liberalism essentially rests on a foundation that is pre-liberal.

00:57:12.800 And that, of course, that's true.

00:57:13.680 I mean, that's my entire book, right?

00:57:14.740 I mean, my entire book is about this.

00:57:15.980 But I think that there's something else that gets ignored in the American tradition of liberalism,

00:57:21.440 which is that America is very liberal at the top federal level, but it's not particularly

00:57:24.480 liberal when it comes down to the local level.

00:57:26.120 Meaning that if you look at the tradition of federalism in the United States, there was

00:57:29.520 never this idea that everything that goes for the federal government also goes for your

00:57:32.600 local school board.

00:57:33.600 In other words, the federal government may have nothing to say about drag queens at your

00:57:37.000 local library reading to your five-year-old.

00:57:38.660 But if you and your community decide you don't want drag queens reading to your local five-year-old

00:57:42.880 at the library, that would be a you business issue.

00:57:45.760 And then if there's someplace in San Francisco where they want drag queens reading to their

00:57:48.680 five-year-old, then that's them issue.

00:57:50.120 That's where the federal government comes in.

00:57:51.460 But when it comes to what we should be stumping for on the local level, there's no implication

00:57:55.160 in conservatism that the broad agreement that we have on free speech principles, that that

00:58:01.780 necessarily means that what you implement on the personal local level, which builds consensus,

00:58:06.680 so you have much greater consensus on a local level than you do on a national level.

00:58:10.080 But that's exactly the same.

00:58:11.300 Yeah.

00:58:11.500 Right?

00:58:11.800 No, it's just a huge point.

00:58:13.220 I mean, this is why, like on pornography, I sort of feel the same way.

00:58:15.760 Meaning I don't want a pornography shop next to my house.

00:58:18.580 Right?

00:58:18.720 I don't.

00:58:19.040 I don't want, I want a zoning law in my neighborhood that stops a porn shop from opening next to

00:58:22.920 my house.

00:58:23.440 So I want the federal government regulating porn.

00:58:25.600 No, I don't.

00:58:26.120 Because I don't think the federal government has the power to do that.

00:58:28.560 But I think also that if somebody wants to, you know, view porn in San Francisco, like,

00:58:33.900 I don't like that, but it's also not really my role.

00:58:37.600 Nobody likes the porn in San Francisco.

00:58:39.720 I do think, though, that now that I've learned that every single one of you, even the liberal,

00:58:45.520 is less liberal than me, I feel like I'm going to have to start a new company, and I'm going

00:58:49.080 to go over to ZipRecruiter.com.

00:58:51.300 Wow.

00:58:52.500 I am proud of this.

00:58:53.760 I have a very solid one.

00:58:55.320 We'll move to the level of art at this point.

00:58:56.800 If he does do that, I may need to look for a new job.

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00:59:40.860 well then I will have used the ZipRecruiter app to ensure.

00:59:45.100 Bitter, bitter, bitter.

00:59:46.040 I'm an hour five of broadcast today, my friend.

00:59:50.840 I think my bitterness is well earned.

00:59:52.860 I have to tell you, I filled in for you.

00:59:54.780 If you were wondering why your ratings dropped out, I filled in for you on Monday.

00:59:57.500 And I got to say, you work hard, pal.

00:59:59.380 And you're preaching twice as many words as I do in the course of an hour.

01:00:02.920 By the way, so I had Eckhart Tolle on my show today, who's one of the world-renowned spiritual

01:00:08.580 leaders.

01:00:10.000 I mean, in the history of the world, he's sold 50 million copies of his book, blah, blah,

01:00:12.720 blah.

01:00:12.780 He says he listens to you, and he speaks very slowly, by the way, because he's really thoughtful

01:00:17.740 in the language.

01:00:18.620 He's very slow.

01:00:19.460 Not that you're not thoughtful in your language, but he speaks very slow.

01:00:21.560 And he said, Ben Shapiro, Ben Shapiro talks too fast.

01:00:28.620 He's about, I guess he's about 70.

01:00:30.800 Yeah, so that's the rule.

01:00:31.740 If you're above the age of 60, I think I speak way too fast.

01:00:33.820 I told him half speed.

01:00:35.040 Yeah, that's right.

01:00:35.680 It's the power of now, he's putting all those words into me.

01:00:38.040 No, you actually sound quite normal at half speed.

01:00:41.180 We're going to check in with Elisha, because we've only taken one question from anywhere.com.

01:00:45.420 We're telling him to subscribe, and we keep telling him to subscribe.

01:00:47.580 We need to show him a little respect.

01:00:49.540 And here to help us do so, Elisha.

01:00:51.560 I try to show respect, guys.

01:00:53.160 I do.

01:00:53.780 I only have subscriber questions.

01:00:55.700 Rebecca and I work hard to pull them, and then they just sit there, and they smoke their

01:00:58.720 cigars, and drink their whiskey, and they ignore them.

01:01:01.040 Okay?

01:01:01.580 Elisha just became a Jewish mother.

01:01:04.040 I work, and I work.

01:01:05.680 I'm from the Bible Belt, and Ben and I have often said there's lots of similarities between

01:01:09.600 Southern grandmas and Jewish grandmas.

01:01:11.720 Fair, true.

01:01:12.320 We could definitely do a good thing.

01:01:13.520 I feel like the food is better for Southern grandmas.

01:01:15.240 I love that Alabama kugel.

01:01:17.640 So first, let's get to our Facebook poll.

01:01:19.700 We asked people, how do content creators solve big tech censorship?

01:01:23.720 17% said to go to other platforms.

01:01:25.920 20% said, hey, thank you, guys.

01:01:28.340 Subscribe to thedailywire.com.

01:01:30.420 24% said through the courts.

01:01:32.280 That doesn't seem very conservative.

01:01:34.020 And 38% said to create their own platforms.

01:01:37.100 We did.

01:01:37.600 It's thedailywire.com.

01:01:38.780 Go subscribe.

01:01:39.700 Come on.

01:01:40.440 80% of you are wrong.

01:01:41.760 All right.

01:01:44.580 Arun says, hey, gang, what do you think of the lawsuit against Google for its discrimination

01:01:48.780 against whites, Asians, and conservatives?

01:01:52.340 Could conservatism become a protected class?

01:01:55.740 Well, interestingly, in employment law, political beliefs don't qualify you for protection.

01:02:02.780 So if I fire Michael for being an unrepentant papist, he would have a legitimate claim against

01:02:08.900 me.

01:02:09.520 But if I fired all of you for not being actually classically liberal, you would have no claim

01:02:16.180 against me.

01:02:16.620 I have the right to do that.

01:02:18.240 So I think that as well-intentioned as some of these suits are, I don't really think they're

01:02:24.620 going to go anywhere.

01:02:25.220 Do you think?

01:02:25.580 No.

01:02:26.080 I think it's very unlikely they go anywhere.

01:02:28.060 I think that anti-discrimination law as a body is very troubled.

01:02:31.160 I think that it runs into serious First Amendment freedom of association concerns.

01:02:35.940 I've always been very worried about this, even though I fully agree with the principle

01:02:39.000 that you should employ people of different races and different religions and all of this.

01:02:42.460 I think that the government placing itself in the position of an employer and telling

01:02:45.640 them what to do is just a sword that is too powerful to be wielded by the government.

01:02:49.820 However, of course, what you're saying legally is right.

01:02:52.020 And politics should not be a protected class, even by the logic of anti-discrimination

01:02:56.160 law.

01:02:56.560 The basic idea there is that it is immutable characteristics that are being protected.

01:03:00.900 So if you're black, you can't change the fact that you're black.

01:03:02.800 Rachel Dolezal is all, you know, not the standard.

01:03:05.660 If you are, it gets in a weird territory when it gets to religion, because people can convert

01:03:10.560 in and out of religions.

01:03:11.920 So that's a little bit strange.

01:03:13.440 And for politics, obviously, those are very immutable.

01:03:15.540 People change their political opinions all the time.

01:03:17.560 So trying to force somebody to hire somebody who has a different politics is pretty strange

01:03:22.460 and pretty weird.

01:03:23.320 You know, the lawsuits against Google, I think, are probably not bound by a significant law,

01:03:29.680 at least on the federal level.

01:03:31.460 I think the best that people are going to be able to do is say that the user agreements

01:03:34.380 for Google are not being held up.

01:03:36.120 And you went to college where?

01:03:38.000 Harvard Law School.

01:03:38.980 And your wife does what?

01:03:39.940 My wife's a doctor.

01:03:40.900 Your wife's a doctor?

01:03:41.760 Alicia.

01:03:42.380 Almost done with her.

01:03:43.360 She has 13 days until she's done my residency.

01:03:44.940 My son is a doctor now.

01:03:46.020 I am so...

01:03:46.320 He's a PhD, but in class.

01:03:47.800 I wouldn't let him operate on it.

01:03:49.520 Well, if it's something that can be cured by Hippocrates, we can...

01:03:53.000 Alicia.

01:03:55.540 Yeah, I'm just curious if we're going to have a Drew's son is a doctor shirts available

01:03:59.200 on our Amazon Prime.

01:04:00.420 I think so.

01:04:01.240 Damn it.

01:04:01.700 When I was in law school, I remember there was a class where the professor called on a

01:04:06.320 student, and she happened to be a doctor of education or something.

01:04:09.520 And so he called on her, and he said, Miss something.

01:04:11.900 And somebody said, it's doctor.

01:04:13.120 And he said, if I have a heart attack, can you help me?

01:04:14.980 And she said, no.

01:04:15.720 He said, well, then it's Miss.

01:04:16.420 I was like, this is correct.

01:04:18.420 Although, as Drew's son will tell you, the word doctor means...

01:04:21.440 Don't do this.

01:04:22.500 I will order you right here.

01:04:24.580 I will order you right here.

01:04:25.980 And finally, end two of my problems.

01:04:27.400 You living and you working here.

01:04:29.120 Although, if that doctor of education was CPR certified, she could technically help you

01:04:33.800 until the EMT does it.

01:04:34.340 I'm going to be so didactic.

01:04:35.840 Stop it.

01:04:36.340 Please get to another question.

01:04:37.280 All right.

01:04:38.180 Tennyson says, for Mr. Rubin, my friend is a classical liberal like you, with whom I disagree,

01:04:43.540 but he is not of the left.

01:04:45.640 What advice would you give to my friend as the party becomes more and more radical?

01:04:50.140 Yeah.

01:04:50.500 Well, classical liberal, the classical liberal set of ideas obviously is not a political

01:04:54.460 party.

01:04:55.040 So I think what he means basically is the guy thinks he's a Democrat still.

01:04:59.220 I mean, if your friend actually is a classical liberal, there's nothing, that has nothing

01:05:04.100 to do with anyone, anyone remotely that has anything to do with the Democratic Party.

01:05:09.160 They brought in Biden.

01:05:10.620 I mean, they dragged his old carcass out because they thought he's the last vestige of something

01:05:17.080 that seems like a decent liberal.

01:05:19.540 And you could probably argue for all the inconsistencies he's had over the 30 years that there's some

01:05:24.580 decent liberal somewhere in him.

01:05:26.440 But you can already see him going woke because he knows that now if he does not do that, that

01:05:32.860 the base will destroy him because he's an old white man.

01:05:35.420 So what I would say is if you're a classical liberal, you have far more.

01:05:39.160 Your example actually was the right one that you guys all moderated on gay marriage.

01:05:43.760 As far as I know, none of you are against gay.

01:05:46.320 You may be a little bit different, but I think basically speaking, conservatives don't

01:05:51.900 particularly care about gay marriage or have taken the libertarian approach or have said

01:05:55.300 I have my own personal religious beliefs and that is separate from the way the government

01:06:00.740 should adjudicate two people getting involved.

01:06:03.040 I've never changed my mind on this.

01:06:04.680 No, seriously.

01:06:05.200 I've been...

01:06:06.100 You were like the first guy.

01:06:07.640 No, I was pro-gay in the 1970s.

01:06:10.320 Oh, all right.

01:06:11.120 People were calling me names when people actually called me names.

01:06:15.060 Okay, great.

01:06:15.880 But the point is that what I have seen in the last couple of years is that for every move

01:06:21.100 that the left has gone more bananas with everything, I mean absolutely everything, abortion, you

01:06:27.660 just go down the line, right?

01:06:29.440 The right has actually moderated.

01:06:31.840 Why is it that you have a different religious belief than I have and yet I get no hatred out

01:06:37.720 of you?

01:06:37.900 We have a difference of opinion at a sort of high level something that it's okay.

01:06:44.520 You know what I mean?

01:06:45.220 It's we want to live in the same society together.

01:06:47.860 Why is it that when I appear on stage with you or you come on my show or I go on your

01:06:51.120 show, the litany of hate that we get from progressives in the name of tolerance, in the

01:06:56.040 name of tolerance.

01:06:56.840 Ruben's a sellout and Shapiro hates gays and all these things in the name of tolerance.

01:07:01.420 Yeah.

01:07:01.540 Two people disagree with each other and yet tolerate each other.

01:07:04.280 They are intolerant.

01:07:05.240 So think about it, one night when here in LA, when we were doing the Jordan Peterson

01:07:09.820 tour, I brought Ben on stage, right?

01:07:11.880 So there's thousands, it was, I don't know, three, four thousand people at the Orpheum

01:07:15.580 downtown.

01:07:17.060 I do my thing, crowd's going crazy.

01:07:19.100 I bring Ben out as a surprise.

01:07:21.020 He brings out a little cupcake because we've had this thing on my show several times that

01:07:24.920 Ben won't bake me a cake.

01:07:25.920 So we go, I'll bake you a cake, not for your money, not for your money.

01:07:29.300 Not for my wedding.

01:07:29.800 Or your anniversary.

01:07:30.500 He'll bake me a regular kosher cake.

01:07:31.680 Okay, fine.

01:07:33.060 But, but he, so he brings out a cupcake.

01:07:34.640 The crowd goes absolutely bananas.

01:07:36.900 We have some banter back and forth.

01:07:38.820 People are going crazy.

01:07:40.140 He walks off.

01:07:41.180 I tweet out a picture.

01:07:42.140 Oh no, I tweeted out the video of it.

01:07:43.560 And then my Twitter feed blows up with literally thousands of tolerant progressives telling me

01:07:50.060 that he's a homophobe and I'm a sellout.

01:07:52.060 And it's like, this is what we've, and it's like, wait a minute, man, I gave him a cake.

01:07:56.080 Yeah, the guy gave me a cake.

01:07:57.220 Like, what do I, do I need him to blow me on stage?

01:07:59.520 It's like, what are you talking about?

01:08:00.820 I do draw some lines.

01:08:01.800 I draw some lines.

01:08:02.760 Okay, that was, that was huge.

01:08:04.380 You, bigoted.

01:08:05.060 Even for tolerance.

01:08:05.560 You, bigoted.

01:08:06.440 Even the classical liberalism.

01:08:08.080 You know, I get it.

01:08:09.620 You have your cigars and your whiskey.

01:08:12.080 But, you see what I'm saying?

01:08:13.960 It's like, but these people are doing this all guys in tolerance.

01:08:16.460 So, what I would say to the, to the person that believes that they're the liberal is that

01:08:20.680 there is a lot more that you can accomplish by building bridges with you fringe alt-right

01:08:26.280 maniacs than, than you can ever accomplish on the other side.

01:08:30.140 There, there is no evidence.

01:08:32.380 One other example I'll give is that when I'm doing stand-up now, I usually, I do this thing

01:08:36.380 about where I poll the audience.

01:08:37.400 How many conservatives here, blah, blah, and make a couple jokes about conservatives?

01:08:39.760 How many libertarians?

01:08:40.440 How many liberals?

01:08:41.180 How many progressives?

01:08:42.020 One guy claps because they, you know, they soy and they can't really do anything.

01:08:45.900 But, and then I bring out some of the IDW crew.

01:08:50.240 So, I've brought out the Weinsteins and I've brought out Kristina F. Summers and Michael

01:08:53.140 Shermer and a bunch.

01:08:54.280 And they'll talk about all their progressive views on, on the world.

01:08:58.280 Brett will go up there and say, I'm progressive.

01:08:59.720 And then all, my audience now is mostly conservative.

01:09:02.160 They're mostly classical liberals or conservative.

01:09:04.160 And they'll give us a standing ovation at the end.

01:09:05.880 Brett will go up there and go, I disagree with you guys on climate change.

01:09:08.320 I disagree with you guys on abortion.

01:09:09.580 I disagree with you guys on death penalty.

01:09:11.800 And then literally we get a standing ovation at the end.

01:09:13.820 Now, try to imagine the world where that was reversed.

01:09:18.000 You can't imagine that world.

01:09:19.480 It's actually impossible to imagine a situation where Sarah Silverman, who's a lefty maniac,

01:09:24.860 could be doing a stand-up show at the end.

01:09:26.480 Here's Ben Shapiro.

01:09:27.660 Have Ben Shapiro come up there and go, you know, I'm pro-life and, you know, I'm for free

01:09:32.540 markets.

01:09:33.600 They'd behead you in the name of tolerance.

01:09:36.580 So, there's a real asymmetry.

01:09:38.860 And I would say to your classical liberal friend, Bill Bridges with these guys and whatever

01:09:42.520 the differences are, it's like, you know what?

01:09:45.780 Like, even if you guys have some weird judgment thing, like, you may have some weird judgment

01:09:49.940 thing religiously related to gay.

01:09:52.920 It actually doesn't matter to me, though.

01:09:55.180 Right.

01:09:55.420 But I really mean that.

01:09:57.000 Yeah.

01:09:57.160 You're not coming to my house to attack me.

01:09:59.320 Yeah, right.

01:09:59.620 It does not matter.

01:10:00.300 This has always been my perspective.

01:10:01.580 Like, I got this question a lot.

01:10:02.740 And I'm not coming to your house to attack you.

01:10:04.340 And that's what the purpose of a free society is.

01:10:06.200 Yeah, it's interesting.

01:10:06.680 Because you get this question a lot because you're gay.

01:10:08.040 I get this question a lot based on religion where people are like, well, you know, you're

01:10:11.460 so tolerant with Christians and many Christians want you to convert.

01:10:15.100 And I'm always like, yeah, and?

01:10:17.660 Okay.

01:10:18.400 Yeah.

01:10:18.640 So, like, so for all of Jewish history, basically, the way that people tried to get us to convert

01:10:22.960 was to murder us.

01:10:24.380 And then we got to this country and they were like, oh, you know what would be awesome

01:10:29.240 is if you read this book.

01:10:30.260 And we're like, okay, we read it.

01:10:30.980 We're not super into it.

01:10:31.760 And they're like, all right, well, I'll talk to you next week.

01:10:34.560 And it's like, well, this is kind of nice.

01:10:37.160 Like, I got to say, this isn't bad.

01:10:40.380 But I'm supposed to be all pissed off because people want me to think things differently

01:10:43.640 than what I think or act differently than how I act.

01:10:45.920 If you can't deal with the fact that there are some people in the world who want you to

01:10:48.400 think or act differently, but are willing to leave you alone and not bother you, then

01:10:52.060 I don't know what the hell's wrong with you, honestly.

01:10:53.440 It's also one of the great joys of life.

01:10:55.640 Yeah, this is the case.

01:10:56.780 This drives me crazy.

01:10:58.020 This is one of the most fun things in the world is to argue with a person of goodwill through

01:11:02.600 the night, hopefully with a lot of alcohol, and really work out opinions.

01:11:06.080 Look, I changed, I became, I'm such a libertarian.

01:11:09.800 I became anti-abortion because I lost an argument.

01:11:12.620 You know, I argued.

01:11:13.440 Me too, actually.

01:11:14.140 Yeah, I argued for abortion all night long with a pal of mine, a Catholic pal of mine.

01:11:18.660 I went to bed and I thought, God beat me.

01:11:20.300 He beat me on that argument.

01:11:21.340 And it took 20 years for me to change my mind.

01:11:23.820 But it was because I could not assemble an argument against it.

01:11:27.640 It's really funny, almost all of my religious and political views can trace their origins

01:11:33.100 back to a music teacher that I had in college with whom I would argue on a routine basis.

01:11:40.040 I took a very traditional view.

01:11:41.440 He took a more libertarian view in both instances.

01:11:45.180 And we had these amazing arguments for two years.

01:11:49.140 And at the three-year mark, I found myself arguing with other people.

01:11:53.680 Only his ideas were coming out of my mouth, not my own.

01:11:56.700 And it was a shocking moment for me to realize I have changed my opinions on the basis of hard-bought

01:12:03.360 conversations.

01:12:04.140 You know, it's amazing.

01:12:05.340 So I get asked a lot, a lot, you know, have you ever changed your opinion?

01:12:08.640 And I say, sure.

01:12:09.260 There are a bunch of places I've changed my opinion, right?

01:12:11.080 I mean, I changed my opinion on government involvement in marriage to take an obvious one.

01:12:14.400 I've changed my opinion on government involvement in criminalization of marijuana, to take another

01:12:18.980 example.

01:12:19.680 The way you framed the trans issue on my show, actually, was a huge divergence from what you'd

01:12:24.560 been doing, where you admitted you had a certain public versus private version of that.

01:12:29.880 That was big, though, because people thought you were a transphobe.

01:12:32.240 And you said, well, if you treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect.

01:12:35.360 Oh, right.

01:12:35.800 I mean, I'm not sure I actually even changed on that as much as I elucidated an issue before.

01:12:39.760 But yes, but I think that I have never heard that question even asked to someone on the

01:12:44.840 left.

01:12:45.300 No.

01:12:45.820 I've never heard somebody ask that on the left.

01:12:48.140 And if it is, it's always in one direction, right?

01:12:50.260 It's always, so when did you become more progressive and more liberal?

01:12:53.220 Like, when have you ever heard anyone in the media ask a prominent liberal figure, okay,

01:12:57.980 so name an opinion on which you've changed.

01:13:00.660 And it's not some sort of mea culpa, Barack Obama on gay marriage kind of thing, right?

01:13:05.280 When was the last time I said, you know what?

01:13:06.540 I really thought about crime, and I thought that maybe we need more police in the inner

01:13:09.980 city, because the best way to have property rights and additional tax revenue is to ensure

01:13:13.480 that there's safe streets.

01:13:14.760 Like, when was the last time you heard somebody on the left actually do that?

01:13:17.060 Never.

01:13:17.580 And this is the really big thing.

01:13:19.060 When you talk about the alt-right and them trying to castigate everybody on the right

01:13:22.160 as alt-right and all of this, it's truly amazing to me.

01:13:25.960 So I have a person with whom I'm friendly on the left, and they're constantly saying,

01:13:28.740 why is it that the right constantly is policing itself and throwing people out for being

01:13:32.000 alt-right and throwing people out for being too crazy and all this?

01:13:35.060 Like, I can name them on my, you know, and they'll name a litany of names.

01:13:38.580 You know, the Roy Moores of the world who are bad people, and you'll just throw them

01:13:41.100 out.

01:13:41.500 Why do you guys keep having, it's probably because there are so many bad people in your

01:13:44.260 party that you have to keep weeding them out and throwing them out.

01:13:46.900 And I said to this person, when was the last time the left threw anyone out for an ideological

01:13:51.560 reason that was too far left?

01:13:53.920 When was the last time?

01:13:55.020 No, they throw the guy who's holding the line.

01:13:56.820 Correct.

01:13:57.200 They'll throw away Joe Lieberman, right?

01:13:58.840 I think by the end of this, Joe Biden will be in that list.

01:14:00.620 I think that they will take anybody who is too far to the right and toss them, but there

01:14:06.620 is no such thing as a view that is too left-wing for people on the left.

01:14:12.080 There are things on the right where people will say stuff, and you're like, that's too

01:14:14.720 much for me, man.

01:14:15.260 I can't do that.

01:14:16.040 Like, that's terrible that you said that.

01:14:17.780 They defend Chavez and Maduro and Stalin in the New York Times for years and years, and

01:14:23.600 Castro in the New York Times for years and years.

01:14:25.000 And then the only way to throw them out is by saying they're secretly right-wing, right?

01:14:28.020 So what they'll do with Stalin is they'll say, yeah, he was a super awesome left-winger.

01:14:31.380 I mean, future man and creating five-year plans, and he's great.

01:14:35.480 And then also, oh, so there was that Ukrainian famine, and he killed like 20 million people.

01:14:39.940 And, you know, he's a right-wing authoritarian, actually.

01:14:42.840 That's the real thing, is that he's a right-winger.

01:14:44.440 But Andrew, I think, just real quick, I think you hit the real thing here, which is that

01:14:47.920 it's the great joy in life to be able to sit across from somebody and either agree

01:14:52.440 to disagree or not, you don't have to even do that, but just not to punch each other

01:14:56.040 at the end.

01:14:56.660 So I said to you last time when we were doing the gay marriage debate, I said to you, look,

01:15:00.760 you can have your religious opinion, and we have both taken the libertarian approach.

01:15:04.000 But I guarantee, my belief is that if we do this for the next 50 years, that we remain

01:15:08.840 friends and we keep having this debate publicly and privately, that I think it's possible that

01:15:13.120 when I'm 93 and you're 86 or whatever it is, that you might go, you know, in all those

01:15:18.800 years I knew Dave and his husband and blah, blah, blah, and maybe I could have just baked

01:15:23.240 the cake. I suspect that's probably where this would ultimately get. Maybe I'm wrong,

01:15:27.460 maybe not. And it's not, I don't need you to say anything right this moment, but that's

01:15:31.360 the point.

01:15:31.740 I always leave open the possibility that I could change. I do think that it's extraordinarily

01:15:35.240 unlikely.

01:15:36.140 But that's possible, but there's only one way to find out. We have to be willing to keep

01:15:39.480 doing that.

01:15:39.500 Well, then that's fair.

01:15:40.240 And also, by the way, the whole thing about the cake baking is to create a space where Ben

01:15:45.760 can be Ben and you guys can still disagree. I mean, if he is forced to do that, you've

01:15:50.560 lost that space.

01:15:51.340 What situation would I possibly want Ben to make me a cake?

01:15:54.040 Oh, really.

01:15:55.200 Or would anyone want Ben to make me a cake?

01:15:56.620 Yeah, exactly.

01:15:57.240 I see this on Twitter, though, a lot because I am being an unrepentant papist. I am one

01:16:01.500 of the last guys in America who doesn't, I don't buy the arguments for the new definition

01:16:05.920 of marriage. And people see that. And then they are shocked to learn. I have many gay friends.

01:16:12.000 I have some gay married friends. I have many gay married friends. How is this possible that

01:16:17.040 you could hold an opinion about an institution and an idea and a word and also be friends

01:16:22.700 with a lot of other people? And I think, I like having a cigar and sitting around with

01:16:26.400 people that I agree with on everything. I mean, I guess that's okay. I much prefer to

01:16:31.540 sit down and have a cigar with people that I disagree with about many things. And then

01:16:35.540 they'll, maybe they'll change my mind. Maybe they won't, but I'll be sort of amused by new

01:16:40.040 arguments or I'll think in a new way or I'll go and maybe I'll become even more certain

01:16:44.940 of the view that I had before. But at least that does something. That's, we're exploring

01:16:50.080 some new idea. That to me is a beauty.

01:16:52.540 I think the belief in God, by the way, is a great backdrop for this because one of the

01:16:57.780 things that, you know, people ask me this all the time, when are you going to convert

01:17:00.700 Ben Shapiro? I think I'm going to smuggle Ben into heaven. You know, God's not going to,

01:17:06.260 you know, that's not the way, it's not a game show. You know, it's not a game show. You

01:17:09.080 didn't know my name. That's not the way it works. And I think when you believe that God is going

01:17:14.220 to sort things out, you know, you can live with a lot of difference in the world. You

01:17:18.560 know, you can live with a lot of difference. I think that there are certain basic things

01:17:21.320 that we all have to agree on if we're going to have a society together. And those are the

01:17:23.760 things I see collapsing. And those things are that we are capable of having discussions

01:17:27.540 with one another without it being an attack on identity. I think that is a huge, huge thing.

01:17:31.420 So when I say that I personally don't believe in same-sex marriage, but I don't think the

01:17:36.240 government has a role in that. And we have a conversation about baking cakes or whatever. We

01:17:39.980 can have that discussion without Dave taking it to mean I hate you. And I think that

01:17:43.040 you're a horrible person who ought to die. Right? And that when you say, I think you're

01:17:46.700 wrong about that, I don't take that as, and I think, therefore, that you're an evil religious

01:17:49.920 bigot. But Ben, when we have conversations, you tell me you think I'm a horrible person.

01:17:54.040 Well, is that...

01:17:55.540 It's fat-based in fat.

01:17:56.780 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fat still care about your feelings.

01:17:59.960 Come on.

01:18:00.400 That's just the way this works. But Alicia, we're going to get through a few more questions

01:18:04.060 by hook or by crush.

01:18:07.000 I mean, I also think Michael Knowles is a horrible person. So can I come in the room and debate

01:18:11.500 him since he said he likes to talk to people who don't agree with him?

01:18:14.420 Yeah, Knowles, thank God you got that Costco guy.

01:18:17.680 Jesus.

01:18:18.340 He just clicks my show like tens of thousands of times.

01:18:21.160 All right. Next question comes from an amazing subscriber, Robert. I say that because, remember,

01:18:26.180 only subscribers get to ask the questions tonight on Backstage. He wants to know if you

01:18:30.400 guys think if Trump wins the 2020 election, will the Democrats reevaluate their stance in terms

01:18:35.420 of socialism and free speech and everything they've been blabbing about recently? Or will they

01:18:40.020 go full-blown Looney Tunes on us?

01:18:42.200 Can we all do this with a simultaneous head shake?

01:18:44.300 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:45.880 Ben and I already did it, but no way.

01:18:47.560 No way to change.

01:18:48.380 No way will they change me.

01:18:49.340 No way.

01:18:49.800 They have proven that no matter what.

01:18:50.980 It's going to be four years of that lady screaming at the sun.

01:18:54.040 Yeah.

01:18:54.440 Right? It's going to be four years.

01:18:56.180 Have you seen that graphic of her?

01:18:58.260 Like 2016, 2017, 2018, 2018?

01:19:01.200 I may disagree with you on this. I'm not big on predicting the future at all, but I think

01:19:05.600 that if Trump actually wins in a big way in 2020, no, you're shaking that.

01:19:10.020 No way. No way. There is no sign. Give me one thing. Give me the tiniest, most absurdly

01:19:17.000 ridiculous evidence that ever in the last five years.

01:19:20.320 Yeah, I'm with Dave.

01:19:21.080 Or just since Trump, give me the slightest thing that they have done to show the most

01:19:26.260 minute moment of, guys, maybe we should think this through.

01:19:29.140 I will give you my example, okay? I lived through the Reagan years. When Reagan started,

01:19:34.220 he was the end of civilization as we knew it. I mean, nuclear war was coming. This was

01:19:39.320 the most hateful, evil person who ever lived. By the end of the Reagan years, when everything

01:19:43.400 he said came true, like every single thing he said actually came true, you know, you've

01:19:48.180 got kind of a Clinton who was forced into the position of saying, I've got...

01:19:52.000 Can I tell you why you're wrong?

01:19:53.420 Charles Krauthammer, by the way, used to talk about this. Charles Krauthammer used to

01:19:57.220 say, you can tell when someone's successful when the guy who comes after him is forced to

01:20:00.940 adopt his opinion, even if he likes it.

01:20:02.480 This is why you're wrong. I mean, there's so many reasons why you're wrong. I'm gonna

01:20:05.980 pull that lever and he's gonna straighten it.

01:20:07.580 Wow.

01:20:08.580 It happened once before, I was wrong.

01:20:10.380 Yeah, one of the... The reason you're wrong is because Donald Trump isn't Ronald Reagan.

01:20:14.100 And I've actually been thinking about this a little bit lately, that early on, you fellers

01:20:18.440 would confront me and say, he's as unto David.

01:20:22.580 I would never say that.

01:20:24.580 I know, he's never a Reagan.

01:20:26.080 Oh, okay.

01:20:27.080 And yes, he's a murderer, and yes, he's a lout, and yes, he's a warlord, but he's also

01:20:35.280 a man after God's own heart.

01:20:37.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:38.080 And I would say, yeah, but in addition to the murder and the warlording and the adultery,

01:20:44.080 David wrote beautiful psalms unto the Lord. And Donald Trump...

01:20:49.080 What?

01:20:50.080 I don't know. I don't know. Unbelievable psalms.

01:20:53.080 The best. Some people say. Many people say.

01:20:57.080 Donald Trump is more like Henry VIII. And Henry VIII, listen...

01:21:03.080 You're just trying to get me not to like him.

01:21:06.080 Henry VIII did more to Anglicanize and therefore Protestantize the West than anyone. There'd be

01:21:12.080 no America without the Protestant Reformation. We see what Catholic colonization did in South

01:21:19.080 America. We see what Protestant colonization did in North America. Whatever your religious

01:21:23.080 opinion, notwithstanding, the fact is that the whole move toward human liberty starts

01:21:28.080 basically with Martin Luther and proceeds forward.

01:21:30.080 We can talk about this later.

01:21:32.080 So I...

01:21:33.080 We can talk about this later.

01:21:35.080 I, therefore, would say that one of the people in history who did the absolute most

01:21:40.080 to create the framework of human freedom that we enjoy here today is Henry VIII.

01:21:45.080 I doubt that Henry VIII could wax philosophical about Luther's treatise on the Book of Romans,

01:21:52.080 however.

01:21:53.080 And that's kind of Trump.

01:21:55.080 Trump may very well be doing more for conservatism than any president we've had in history.

01:22:00.080 But he's not doing it because of conservatism.

01:22:03.080 He's doing it for the things that motivate Trump.

01:22:05.080 Which, like Henry VIII are, he wants to have sex with beautiful women and see his name on

01:22:09.080 a bunch of stuff.

01:22:10.080 Right? Like, he's a practical, self-advancing monarch.

01:22:13.080 But you're making my point, though.

01:22:15.080 But here's the reason that Reagan was able to fundamentally change the world in terms

01:22:21.080 of who followed him.

01:22:22.080 Even the era of big government is over, Clinton famously said.

01:22:25.080 Because the coalition that Reagan built was directly around a set of ideas.

01:22:31.080 Yep.

01:22:32.080 And he communicated those ideas so efficiently that it changed the way everyone in the country

01:22:36.080 talked about the relationship between the individual and the state.

01:22:40.080 Donald Trump may very well in the final analysis, I'm not willing to grant it yet, may very

01:22:45.080 well in the final analysis have done more to empower those conservative ideals in practical

01:22:51.080 effect.

01:22:52.080 Yeah.

01:22:53.080 But he has not built a coalition around the ideas themselves and therefore those ideas

01:22:56.080 aren't going to be able to...

01:22:57.080 Trump was willing to do all the things that you good conservatives wouldn't have done.

01:23:01.080 Sure.

01:23:02.080 That's it.

01:23:03.080 That's it.

01:23:04.080 They tried it.

01:23:05.080 They tried it already.

01:23:06.080 I get it.

01:23:07.080 Two people that I didn't vote for because I voted for Obama twice.

01:23:09.080 So, alright, like...

01:23:10.080 Yeah.

01:23:11.080 Okay, can I say that here?

01:23:12.080 No, okay.

01:23:13.080 I don't know.

01:23:14.080 Zipper crew.

01:23:15.080 Zipper crew.

01:23:16.080 I know.

01:23:17.080 But they tried it with McCain.

01:23:18.080 They tried it with me.

01:23:19.080 Trump was willing to do all those things.

01:23:21.080 So I was at a YAL event.

01:23:22.080 Young Americans for...

01:23:23.080 What is it?

01:23:24.080 Young Americans for Liberty, right?

01:23:25.080 Yeah.

01:23:26.080 So I'm at a YAL event about a month ago and I'm sitting at this huge table, like 15 of us

01:23:29.080 a circular table, all libertarians.

01:23:31.080 Everyone going on about the debates that we've already had here about the tech companies

01:23:36.080 and should we get involved in all these things.

01:23:38.080 And we're always, what do libertarians do?

01:23:39.080 It's idea, idea, idea, idea.

01:23:41.080 And then somebody was kind of saying, well, Trump started, at least Trump made some things

01:23:45.080 happen.

01:23:46.080 And everyone's debating, but he's too evil.

01:23:48.080 He says he speaks this way.

01:23:49.080 He doesn't, you know, he does these things with women, all these things.

01:23:51.080 And then finally, there was one woman at the table, actually, out of 15 people or so.

01:23:55.080 Sounds like a libertarian.

01:23:56.080 Yeah.

01:23:57.080 She stops.

01:23:58.080 She stops everybody and everyone's babbling on.

01:23:59.080 She goes, you know what, guys?

01:24:00.080 I think you're all over thinking it.

01:24:02.080 I think Trump likes this country.

01:24:03.080 I don't think the other guys do.

01:24:05.080 And I think that's it.

01:24:06.080 And I was like, you know what?

01:24:07.080 I think that's basically it.

01:24:09.080 I think that's basically it.

01:24:10.080 But let me get back to the guy's question, because the guy's question was, if Trump wins,

01:24:13.080 will that have an effect?

01:24:14.080 So what you were talking about this idea is you're absolutely right.

01:24:16.080 I agree with everything you said about Reagan versus Trump.

01:24:19.080 But if Trump wins, you know, after Henry VIII, Elizabeth comes along and she says, I don't

01:24:23.080 need a window to see into my subjects' souls.

01:24:27.080 And she says that after these incredible wars of religion and this incredible destruction

01:24:33.080 of the abbeys, Henry VIII, that she understood that she had to live in the new reality.

01:24:38.080 If Trump wins, it's a new reality.

01:24:41.080 Joe Biden said this yesterday.

01:24:42.080 I actually agreed with him.

01:24:43.080 He said four years is an aberration.

01:24:45.080 But eight years, well, he says America will vanish.

01:24:47.080 But that's not what will happen.

01:24:48.080 Eight years, it becomes acceptable.

01:24:50.080 If Trump's daughter becomes president, it'll work out just like it did with Henry.

01:24:55.080 But I do want to say one more thing and then I'll kick it to you, Ben, which is that

01:24:58.080 the fact that today, today, the majority of taxpayers believe that they paid more, a higher

01:25:06.080 effective tax rate this year than they did before Donald Trump became president.

01:25:11.080 The fact that my most thoughtful liberal friends believe that Trump gave tax cuts to the rich

01:25:17.080 and not to the middle class, when the reality is-

01:25:19.080 I am paying more in taxes.

01:25:20.080 The rich are paying so much more in taxes because of the Trump tax cut.

01:25:24.080 That's Donald Trump's biggest problem.

01:25:26.080 That even when he does-

01:25:28.080 No, it's not the media.

01:25:29.080 Here's the evidence.

01:25:30.080 It's not only the media.

01:25:31.080 He's never made a case for himself.

01:25:32.080 He's never made a case for his idea.

01:25:34.080 But here's where, here's the real evidence.

01:25:39.080 When Ronald Reagan was president, he had a Democratic Congress for the vast majority of his presidency.

01:25:43.080 With that Democratic Congress, he proceeded to pass two major tax cuts.

01:25:47.080 He proceeded to, Paul Volcker was able to radically keep down inflation.

01:25:52.080 In other words, the Democrats made deals with him.

01:25:55.080 Yeah.

01:25:56.080 Okay, there's not a Democrat across the aisle who is willing to make a deal with Donald Trump.

01:26:01.080 And so if he wins again, did they moderate after two terms of George W. Bush?

01:26:08.080 They went wild to the left after two terms of George W. Bush.

01:26:10.080 But if you haven't failed to stop Trump, you're shaking your head.

01:26:14.080 Because I know the thinking.

01:26:16.080 I really know the thinking.

01:26:17.080 Again, I'm not trying to predict the future.

01:26:19.080 I'm just presenting an alternate future.

01:26:22.080 So I didn't vote for Trump, as I just said.

01:26:24.080 And I kept saying to the left at the time, I kept saying, guys, stop calling this guy Hitler.

01:26:29.080 Stop calling this guy Hitler.

01:26:30.080 Because what might happen, and what I predict will happen, you can find videos of me saying

01:26:34.080 this, is if you keep calling this guy Hitler, you've painted yourself into a corner.

01:26:38.080 You can't now, if it turns out that he doesn't go into some crazy war, and the economy's okay,

01:26:43.080 and taxes are lower, and things are kind of chugging along, you can't suddenly be like,

01:26:47.080 you know that Hitler guy, he's actually doing a couple good things.

01:26:50.080 You just can't do that.

01:26:51.080 And that's what they've done.

01:26:52.080 They've already staked out, this guy's Hitler, his supporters are white supremacists,

01:26:56.080 and the people who criticize him half the time are also white supremacists, right?

01:27:00.080 So there is no, they've given themselves no out.

01:27:03.080 There is no redemption now, if we were looking at this through a religious prism.

01:27:07.080 I think that it's also that they have spent the last four years not just demonizing Trump.

01:27:12.080 They spent the last four years demonizing everyone who has ever thought about supporting

01:27:17.080 Trump in any way.

01:27:18.080 And that is a difference.

01:27:19.080 So during the Reagan administration, there was this feeling that Reagan was a crazy person,

01:27:23.080 and Reagan was a nut.

01:27:24.080 But there wasn't this sort of antipathy for every Reagan voter,

01:27:27.080 as though they were all insane bigoted nutcases.

01:27:30.080 It kind of was.

01:27:31.080 I mean, it's...

01:27:32.080 This was George W. Bush too, because that I'm old enough to remember.

01:27:34.080 So George W. Bush lost a popular vote.

01:27:36.080 He was considered illegitimate by the left.

01:27:38.080 Right.

01:27:39.080 Even then, there was a lot of dislike for George W. Bush, obviously.

01:27:42.080 Even then, there wasn't this feeling like every single person who voted for George W. Bush,

01:27:46.080 not just that they were boobs or stupid or something, but that they were vicious, evil racists.

01:27:50.080 And this is the picture that is being painted.

01:27:52.080 That's right.

01:27:53.080 Everybody who has even...

01:27:54.080 You didn't have to vote for...

01:27:56.080 You didn't have to vote for him in 2016.

01:27:57.080 But what happens?

01:27:58.080 I'm a Nazi now because of these people.

01:28:00.080 But what happens, though?

01:28:01.080 What happens, though, if...

01:28:02.080 That's how I'm characterized.

01:28:03.080 If then Trump wins, and if, for instance, something I've been kind of, not predicting,

01:28:08.080 but kind of asking if it might happen, we find out that blacks turned out for Trump.

01:28:15.080 No.

01:28:16.080 Do the Democrats not have to reconsider?

01:28:18.080 No.

01:28:19.080 They've been tricked.

01:28:20.080 They've been duped.

01:28:21.080 Well, they can say that, but ultimately, they want to win, right?

01:28:24.080 I mean, ultimately, they have to make a...

01:28:26.080 And they'll figure it out through immigration or something.

01:28:28.080 No.

01:28:29.080 What they will do is they will say that the millennials turned out for them, and that all they have

01:28:34.080 to do is stick to the future, and they'll win.

01:28:36.080 And the future of immigration.

01:28:38.080 Right.

01:28:39.080 I mean, by the way, they came out this week.

01:28:41.080 If you've been following this controversy over the census, Democrats really just let the

01:28:44.080 cat out of the bag as to what the illegal immigration thinks about.

01:28:46.080 Yeah.

01:28:47.080 Because they've been militantly opposed to the idea of the census asking people their immigration

01:28:51.080 status, which seems like a perfectly valid thing to ask somebody.

01:28:54.080 Right, right.

01:28:55.080 The reason that they don't want that done is because what they are afraid of, they say

01:28:57.080 they're Republicans, they're so evil.

01:28:59.080 If they ask immigration status, they might redistrict on the basis of citizenship, which

01:29:03.080 I was under the impression that one man, one vote meant like that your vote was to count

01:29:07.080 proportionally to our population.

01:29:08.080 It's kind of like the slavery thing, isn't it?

01:29:09.080 It's kind of giving three-fifths of a person to the census.

01:29:12.080 Right.

01:29:13.080 I will always avoid any slavery comparison for the basis of our advertisers.

01:29:17.080 But on a constitutional level, on a legal level, obviously, they're representing people

01:29:21.080 who don't actually get to represent themselves in Congress.

01:29:23.080 So that part of it is true.

01:29:24.080 It is no taxation without representation.

01:29:27.080 Right.

01:29:28.080 But they are afraid they will lose upwards of nine seats if these things are redistricted.

01:29:33.080 And so they're like, oh, Republicans are only doing it for that.

01:29:35.080 So let me just reverse that logic.

01:29:37.080 You are increasing illegal immigration specifically in order to increase the population in specific

01:29:42.080 districts so that we have to allocate a district that may have 800,000 illegal immigrants and

01:29:47.080 200,000 voters, the same as a district that has 800,000 voters and 200,000 illegal immigrants.

01:29:53.080 Right.

01:29:54.080 That is actually how they want to allocate these things.

01:29:55.080 Right.

01:29:56.080 So the cat's out of the bag.

01:29:57.080 I mean, when it comes to illegal immigration, they are fond of illegal immigration because it

01:30:00.080 does win them elections, even if the illegal immigrants are not voting, even if they never

01:30:03.080 get in.

01:30:04.080 But I will say all time low black unemployment and the Democrats openly basically telling

01:30:09.080 their black constituents, we want to replace you as voters for our party.

01:30:13.080 No question.

01:30:14.080 There could be a change.

01:30:15.080 And I see Al Green, not the good Al Green, but the Al Green from Texas, right?

01:30:20.080 The country.

01:30:21.080 Representative, yeah.

01:30:22.080 He came in and he said, well, he's a bigot, but he's a beneficial bigot.

01:30:25.080 And that's a problem for us.

01:30:26.080 I thought, what is a beneficial bigot?

01:30:28.080 What the hell does that even mean?

01:30:29.080 You know?

01:30:30.080 The beneficial bigot should be a t-shirt.

01:30:31.080 I want to go back to Alicia and I want to do something we've never done before.

01:30:34.080 And it's because we have no discipline whatsoever.

01:30:36.080 We're going to do a dailywire.com slash subscribe subscriber question speed round.

01:30:41.080 And the way this is going to work, Alicia, I'm going to have you give us five questions.

01:30:45.080 Only one person gets a crack at the bat.

01:30:47.080 Okay.

01:30:48.080 So no matter how much you want to disagree with Drew when he gives an answer, it's his answer to give.

01:30:53.080 Alicia, rattle off five of these for us.

01:30:55.080 Oh, this is going to be really fun.

01:30:56.080 This comes from subscriber John who wants to ask you guys specifically about new platforms.

01:31:01.080 He said that Jordan Peterson recently came out with a new platform for free speech.

01:31:05.080 What do you think about new platforms for these free speech people?

01:31:09.080 Dave, you probably know more about the Peterson platform than we do.

01:31:12.080 I think there is a chance that the new platforms will take off.

01:31:18.080 That would be my preference rather than any other option that we have laid out here.

01:31:22.080 I mean, we've all talked about this.

01:31:24.080 There are massive technological hurdles.

01:31:26.080 There are terms of service hurdles.

01:31:27.080 There are legal hurdles.

01:31:28.080 There are optics hurdles.

01:31:31.080 You know, you create something that's really for free speech and congratulations.

01:31:34.080 You're now the home of the alt-right.

01:31:35.080 And now the credit card companies cracked down on you.

01:31:37.080 I mean, that's why this is so complex because it's not just about doing, it's not just about

01:31:42.080 building something that's good or doing something that is legally sound or is defending the First

01:31:47.080 Amendment or any of those things.

01:31:48.080 It's about doing something that is so holistically sound that you've insulated yourself from all

01:31:53.080 of the problems that seemingly no one can figure out.

01:31:56.080 That being said, there is a magic around Jordan.

01:31:59.080 And I think he is the right person to potentially lead us out of this mess.

01:32:04.080 But it's going to be a huge, it's going to be a huge lift.

01:32:07.080 Alicia.

01:32:08.080 All right.

01:32:09.080 Question number two.

01:32:10.080 Question number two comes from Dave.

01:32:11.080 He says, if you guys are OK with Hobby Lobby making decisions about birth control for their

01:32:15.080 employees because they're a private company, why are you so upset with YouTube that it's

01:32:19.080 also a private company regulating who uses and doesn't use their platform?

01:32:23.080 Well, Hobby Lobby is not making decisions for their employees about birth control.

01:32:28.080 Hobby Lobby is making a decision for itself that it won't pay for the decisions that its

01:32:32.080 employees make about birth control.

01:32:34.080 If Hobby Lobby were trying to forbid its employees from picking up birth control on the free market,

01:32:40.080 I think we would all probably come out against that to the extent that Hobby Lobby is simply

01:32:44.080 saying we won't pay for it.

01:32:46.080 There's actually no contradiction here whatsoever.

01:32:48.080 All right.

01:32:49.080 Julian says, if there's such a thing as objective truth, is there such a thing as objective hate?

01:32:56.080 And by extension, objective hate speech.

01:33:01.080 Who wants it?

01:33:02.080 I'll take it.

01:33:03.080 No.

01:33:04.080 Well, I guess the premise of this question is that hate is the opposite of truth, which

01:33:07.080 is not the case.

01:33:08.080 The opposite of truth is falsehood.

01:33:10.080 And there are things that are objectively false and things that are objectively true.

01:33:14.080 There is certainly speech that we would call hateful or mean or cruel.

01:33:18.080 Good luck defining what that is or deciding who even gets to decide what that is.

01:33:23.080 But it has nothing to do with being true or the antithesis of truth.

01:33:28.080 It's a matter of opinion and preference and point of view and premises and ideology.

01:33:34.080 And the people who are trying to codify hate speech as a way to deplatform you have a very particular ideology

01:33:40.080 and they want to make sure that we all agree with it.

01:33:43.080 The dog's drinking my whiskey.

01:33:45.080 Is that a problem?

01:33:46.080 Is he drinking whiskey or water?

01:33:48.080 Not for the dog.

01:33:49.080 It's water!

01:33:50.080 I guess I'm letting your dog get drunk on my whiskey.

01:33:52.080 My dog did just still Dave Rubin's water.

01:33:54.080 It's pretty, pretty fantastic.

01:33:56.080 Alicia, question number three.

01:33:58.080 Jasper's smart enough to not try that crappy, you know, drink that Ben has.

01:34:02.080 But anyway, next question comes from Sean.

01:34:03.080 Question number four.

01:34:04.080 Yeah.

01:34:05.080 With the left aggressively perverting and inverting language, attempting to change words' meanings,

01:34:10.080 do you foresee original written definitions eventually changing in the dictionary in the near future?

01:34:16.080 Ooh.

01:34:17.080 I feel like we have to let Michael take this one, too, because he's actually written eloquently about this topic

01:34:21.080 and made a video for Prager University, our pals over at PragerU, I believe.

01:34:24.080 True.

01:34:25.080 And I wrote a book with the fewest words ever published, so I also did that.

01:34:28.080 Words change over time.

01:34:29.080 Of course, that's true.

01:34:30.080 Words evolve and our understanding of language evolves.

01:34:33.080 What the left does is something different.

01:34:35.080 The left changes language radically, and they change language radically because they know

01:34:39.080 that when you change language, you change the culture.

01:34:41.080 I think we have all at various times observed that the left uses, they change a word to mean

01:34:47.080 the opposite of what the word is.

01:34:49.080 So we have justice, which means getting what you deserve without favor, and then you have

01:34:53.080 social justice, which means getting what you don't deserve because you are a member of a favored group.

01:34:58.080 This is true of politically correct, right?

01:35:00.080 There's correct, which is true, and then there's politically correct, which is false.

01:35:05.080 They use that language, and more than just changing language, because we all use words creatively,

01:35:10.080 they make you use that language, and if you don't use that language, you will be ostracized,

01:35:16.080 you will be demonetized and deplatformed, kicked out of polite society.

01:35:19.080 It's why I care about the pronoun thing.

01:35:22.080 Now, with the transgender issue, you have to use she to refer to a man who now thinks that he's a woman.

01:35:28.080 Do I really care? Absolutely not.

01:35:30.080 How many people does this affect? Like five people in the whole country.

01:35:33.080 So why is the left so insistent on this?

01:35:36.080 They're so insistent because if they control that pronoun, they control the ideology,

01:35:40.080 they control the culture, and ultimately they control politics.

01:35:43.080 Well said. Elisha.

01:35:45.080 Alright, next question comes from Michael, and this is to anybody who wants to answer,

01:35:48.080 or anybody who the God King tosses it to.

01:35:51.080 He wants to know the last time you guys changed your mind on something.

01:35:54.080 Well, Ben gave us a few examples of places where he's changed his mind.

01:35:58.080 Yeah, no, I'm in the middle of really thinking through this question of big tech and what we do about it.

01:36:05.080 I have come to believe, as a free speech purist, I have come to believe that the internet is doing something to us

01:36:12.080 that goes beyond the content of what's involved, that the actual, our actual interchange with the internet is changing our brains, changing the way we think.

01:36:21.080 And I don't think that needs to be regulated.

01:36:23.080 I'm not going to a regulated place, but I think it needs more competition, more different kinds of approaches.

01:36:30.080 So I'm in the midst of thinking it through. I don't know where I'm going to come out.

01:36:33.080 I'm really happy to get to talk to people who have different points of view and hear about it.

01:36:37.080 But I think that that's like, you know, a lot of my ideas are in flux.

01:36:41.080 As things change, as technology changes, the world changes, we have to come up with new ideas.

01:36:46.080 Blocked. I want to take one more question.

01:36:48.080 Would you say blocked?

01:36:49.080 I want to take one more question, and then I want to talk to you guys before we go about my favorite news story of the week.

01:36:54.080 Felicia, give us one last DailyWire.com subscribers question.

01:36:58.080 Awesome. Anonymous has a very Prager-esque question for me, for you guys tonight.

01:37:03.080 He wants to know, are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future of America and the West in general?

01:37:08.080 I'll put that as Prager. Are you optimistic or what?

01:37:13.080 We're left with Ben. We know at the end.

01:37:16.080 Well, you know the answer.

01:37:17.080 I mean, so it's actually a more difficult question than a team,

01:37:22.080 because I'm pessimistic for the future of the country as it currently stands,

01:37:26.080 just because the level of polarization is something that I haven't seen in my lifetime in politics.

01:37:31.080 I'm admittedly young, so I don't remember the 1960s.

01:37:33.080 But still, the fact that the 1960s took place in the midst of some pretty heady issues.

01:37:39.080 I mean, civil rights was a real issue.

01:37:41.080 The Vietnam War was a real issue.

01:37:43.080 The sexual revolution was a real issue America was coping with.

01:37:46.080 And the fact that we're savaging each other over like whether a gay flag should fly over the embassy in Botswana,

01:37:51.080 and we're doing it with pretty much the same levels of passion that people were doing so in 1964.

01:37:56.080 That seems pretty disturbing to me.

01:37:58.080 So I think that there's a lot of people in the country who are itching for a separation.

01:38:01.080 And the people who want to keep the country together are located in areas that don't seem to have a lot of the political power.

01:38:07.080 A lot of those people are located in the middle of the country or in suburbia.

01:38:10.080 And those people seem to be kind of getting cast to the side.

01:38:13.080 I'm optimistic in the sense that I think that the left is pushing so far that a backlash is almost inevitable.

01:38:19.080 I think the left is boring.

01:38:21.080 They're censorious.

01:38:22.080 They're irritating.

01:38:23.080 They are nasty as all hell.

01:38:25.080 I think there are a lot of people out there who are looking at the nature of the left, which is to shut down debate and make life less interesting,

01:38:32.080 and to bully you into taking their woke, scold positions, and to ruin your life if you disagree with them,

01:38:37.080 and to make rules that are so unclear that they shift on a moment's notice.

01:38:41.080 I mean, these rules shift daily, literally daily.

01:38:44.080 I mean, I said on my show when the whole Crowder thing happened, I don't know when I'm allowed to use the Q word.

01:38:49.080 I said on my show, is it the Q word? Is it queer? I don't know.

01:38:52.080 I was just going to ask what the Q word is.

01:38:56.080 I literally don't know what the rule is going to be because my feeling is that I sort of get what the rule is,

01:39:00.080 which is that you're not allowed to use it as a slur.

01:39:02.080 But if you say that somebody is queer and you just mean that they're gay, then that's okay.

01:39:06.080 But I also have the feeling that if I say that, then I will immediately be boycotted the next day,

01:39:09.080 and the rule will have radically changed on me, and suddenly it will be out of balance.

01:39:13.080 I think most people feel this sense, this unsettled sense, that things that they feel are fundamentally normal

01:39:19.080 are going to be denormalized and then stigmatized, and then they will be forced to abandon all of those beliefs.

01:39:25.080 And it's hard to blame anybody for believing that when you are literally saying to them that a man is not a man and a woman is not a woman.

01:39:31.080 The most basic things in life are not actually things in life.

01:39:35.080 That the most existential crisis ever facing humanity is the weather.

01:39:39.080 As opposed to, you know, I don't know, like a Nazi horde coming and trying to kill everyone.

01:39:43.080 Like a Soviet Union with thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at your major cities.

01:39:48.080 Like the biggest threat, the existential crisis is that people will move over the course of a century away from the coasts a little.

01:39:54.080 Like this is the really devastating crisis.

01:39:57.080 With all of that, and with all the social sense, like I don't know what comes after the transgender thing.

01:40:01.080 Because every time I think that they've reached the logical endpoint of what they've reached, it disappears on me again.

01:40:07.080 In fact, I have a feeling that this may horse you all the way around.

01:40:09.080 And once you get through the gender fluidity and the sexual fluidity, that will be illegal to be gay.

01:40:14.080 Because then it will be, you're so discriminatory for being gay, how can you prefer a man over a woman?

01:40:19.080 That is inherently...

01:40:20.080 Oh God.

01:40:21.080 Sorry to make you straight here, Dave.

01:40:24.080 They're segregating college campuses.

01:40:26.080 It is coming around.

01:40:27.080 Right, exactly.

01:40:28.080 It's all coming back around.

01:40:29.080 And so I think that there's gonna be a backlash where people just say, listen, enough.

01:40:32.080 Just stop.

01:40:33.080 Just like for half a second, just stop this shit.

01:40:35.080 Like for a second, please.

01:40:36.080 But they don't have any adults to tell them to stop.

01:40:38.080 And they'll never listen to you guys.

01:40:40.080 That's the thing, right?

01:40:41.080 So I've been, for a long time, I tried to do it from the left.

01:40:43.080 Guys, what's going on here?

01:40:44.080 What's going on?

01:40:45.080 And what, I mean, you see what they, the way they treat me now.

01:40:48.080 Yeah.

01:40:49.080 They're so adult that they respect because they, because part of the ideology is not respecting things that came before you.

01:40:54.080 But I think what you see in the Democratic primaries is that Biden, when people perceive him as just an old guy who isn't particularly radical, he's winning like 40% of the primary.

01:41:03.080 And then as soon as he talks and he starts going woke, he starts sinking back into the field like the swamp monster being dragged back in.

01:41:08.080 It's, it's, it's pretty astounding to watch.

01:41:10.080 I think that there are a group of people who eventually are gonna get so alienated.

01:41:13.080 I mean, this is why Trump is president because there were just enough of them to make him president in 2016.

01:41:17.080 As the left moves ever further to the left, people have a high tolerance level for being pushed.

01:41:22.080 But I think that there will come a point where people push back and they're like, I'm just not gonna do this.

01:41:26.080 Biden's big problem is that if he runs a return to normalcy campaign, he can win a general, but he can never be the nominee.

01:41:34.080 Well, this is what's happening to him.

01:41:35.080 I mean, this is, this is what I've been saying is that I thought I said from the beginning, I thought his best day was gonna be his first day.

01:41:40.080 It basically has been, and he is what will allow him to win a general election, which is being just a human.

01:41:47.080 His own folks will not let him do it.

01:41:49.080 That's right.

01:41:50.080 He has been forced in like the Hyde Amendment, a position he held for 46 years.

01:41:53.080 Yeah.

01:41:54.080 And that virtually all Americans hold, by the way, that even if I am pro-abortion, I don't necessarily think that taxpayers should pay for my abortion.

01:42:01.080 That is considered so impolitic now that he reverses himself in the course of 24 hours because AOC hits him on Twitter.

01:42:08.080 There's no point, really, I think that the American people are not gonna stand for this interminably.

01:42:13.080 And I think especially when you look at the living in the big cities right now, New York, LA, San Francisco, Seattle, how these cities are being turned into cesspools.

01:42:19.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:20.080 I think that there will be a Rudy Giuliani moment where the people of Los Angeles say-

01:42:23.080 Well, that is the wonderful thing about leftism.

01:42:24.080 It doesn't work.

01:42:25.080 That's the one thing that really-

01:42:26.080 They're trying rent control now.

01:42:27.080 I know.

01:42:28.080 They're like, oh, there's so many homeless people.

01:42:29.080 You know what we'll do?

01:42:30.080 We'll make it impossible to build a new building in Los Angeles.

01:42:32.080 And that will solve it.

01:42:33.080 That will solve it.

01:42:34.080 And now they're trying to push, did you hear this one?

01:42:35.080 In California today, they were trying to push a law that would prevent the police from towing cars that people are living in.

01:42:43.080 Yeah.

01:42:44.080 If the car is there for 72 hours, they're saying you cannot tow the car or find someone, is what the state of California wants to do.

01:42:49.080 Even the City Council of LA voted 15 to 1 against this because they're like, hold up a second.

01:42:54.080 They're saying that Barbra Streisand, who's my friend Barbra Streisand, some homeless guy can camp with an RV outside her house and we just have to leave them there.

01:43:02.080 And the radical Democrats are like, yeah, man, let's do this thing.

01:43:04.080 Even leftists are beginning to say, you know, this is a little too crazy for us.

01:43:08.080 Douglas Murray has the best line on this to me, which is he says, you know, the barbarians are going to be at the gate.

01:43:13.080 So it's going to be like the wall in Game of Thrones, right?

01:43:15.080 And we know the White Walkers are on the other side and we're going to be debating what pronouns they have.

01:43:20.080 We're not going to be defending the Republic.

01:43:22.080 We're literally going to be like, is it a he out there?

01:43:25.080 Is the Night King a he?

01:43:28.080 Yeah.

01:43:29.080 Yeah.

01:43:30.080 So the most important news story of the week.

01:43:34.080 Twitter refused to verify my account officially.

01:43:38.080 No.

01:43:39.080 What?

01:43:40.080 They officially refused to verify me.

01:43:41.080 I got a notice from Twitter.

01:43:42.080 So you got the blue check of refusal.

01:43:44.080 I got the blue check of refusal.

01:43:46.080 So the facts are these.

01:43:48.080 Our friend Tyler Carden, CEO of The Blaze Media, the merged entity of Glenn Beck's Empire and CRTV.

01:43:57.080 Tyler works, you know, figures out sort of the process, exactly what you need to say in your bio.

01:44:03.080 And you have to include these certain kinds of links.

01:44:05.080 You know, I've changed my Twitter email address to my official Daily Wire email address.

01:44:10.080 And I linked to the fact that I host a podcast that's downloaded a million times per episode and, you know, some stuff.

01:44:17.080 And then I find the guy at Twitter and I send it in.

01:44:20.080 And Tyler gets verified with 750 Twitter followers with my exact same job, but without hosting a podcast that's been downloaded a million times.

01:44:32.080 Or having, you know, produced some feature films that are out in the marketplace.

01:44:35.080 And two weeks later, I get, we are unable to verify.

01:44:40.080 I'm sorry.

01:44:41.080 Your account is not eligible for verification at this time.

01:44:45.080 So my question is this.

01:44:47.080 Do I just have to start a public campaign?

01:44:49.080 Yeah, absolutely.

01:44:50.080 Do we have to start making Daily Wire shirts that say verify the God King?

01:44:53.080 We'll sell two of them.

01:44:55.080 More than Daily Wire, two soccer t-shirts that we sell.

01:44:58.080 Oh, watch your mouth.

01:45:00.080 We have to start a public campaign.

01:45:02.080 It is outrageous.

01:45:03.080 It is, exactly.

01:45:04.080 Because blue checkmark Twitter is very fun in so much as you can get Patricia Arquette to yell at you.

01:45:09.080 You can just elect celebrities to yell at you if you have a checkmark.

01:45:12.080 Yeah, I feel like I'm missing out on basically my birthright.

01:45:16.080 I have verified several times that I am, in fact, me.

01:45:20.080 I've actually been banned from Twitter, if you'll recall, for suggesting that the proper way to eat Brussels sprouts is to cook them up with salt, pepper, a dash of Worcestershire.

01:45:29.080 Then dump it in the trash and tear your face off.

01:45:32.080 They've banned me.

01:45:33.080 You're actually a God King.

01:45:35.080 I am an actual lowercase king.

01:45:36.080 I will say your power seems limited.

01:45:38.080 Yeah.

01:45:39.080 You know, in the Twitter's defense, though, the blue checkmark is for verification.

01:45:44.080 But in some cases, like for the alt-right white nationalist guy, Richard Spencer, he had a blue checkmark, and then they took it away because I guess he stopped being Richard Spencer or something like that.

01:45:54.080 And so what I think it might be, they just don't know that you are the God King Jeremy Boring.

01:45:59.080 That's the shape of the beard is, I think, what it comes to.

01:46:01.080 But if they took away Richard Spencer's, why can't they give it to him?

01:46:06.080 That means there's one out there in the ether.

01:46:08.080 You could be Richard Spencer now.

01:46:09.080 You could be Richard Spencer now.

01:46:11.080 Listen, here's the good news, you are, in fact, verified because you're Eric Swalwell.

01:46:15.080 Oh, I am.

01:46:16.080 It's true.

01:46:17.080 We're all Eric Swalwell.

01:46:18.080 We're all Eric Swalwell.

01:46:19.080 We're all Eric Swalwell.

01:46:20.080 I only want the blue checkmark because Tyler got the blue checkmark, guys.

01:46:24.080 It's just not there.

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01:46:33.080 And everyone who's watching or listening to this content, we really have a lot of fun sitting down and shooting the bull.

01:46:38.080 We can't believe that any of you watch it, but we're grateful that you do.

01:46:41.080 Thanks to Dave Rubin for sitting in with us.

01:46:43.080 Thank you to you crazed Nazis.

01:46:45.080 What a joy this has been.

01:46:46.080 We hope we've radicalized you right and proper.

01:46:49.080 We'll see you next time.

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The Michael Knowles Show - June 12, 2019

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