The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage： Derek Chauvin Verdict

00:00:00.000 Hey, Michael Knowles here. The latest episode of Daily Wire backstage, Derek Chauvin verdict

00:00:05.240 live coverage is available now. The Derek Chauvin murder trial gripped the nation for weeks and the

00:00:10.940 highly anticipated verdict came swiftly. Join me, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh,

00:00:16.020 Candace Owens, and the God King Jeremy Boring as we discuss everything from George Floyd

00:00:20.620 to the co-president address. Take a listen.

00:00:24.600 Members of the jury, I will now read the verdicts as they will appear in the permanent records of

00:00:28.060 the 4th Judicial District. We, the jury, in the above entitled matter as to count one,

00:00:33.360 unintentional second-degree murder while committing a felony. Find the defendant guilty.

00:00:37.880 This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1.44 p.m. Signed, juror foreperson, juror number 19.

00:00:48.120 Same caption, verdict count two. We, the jury, in the above entitled matter as to count two,

00:00:53.500 third-degree murder perpetrating an eminently dangerous act. Find the defendant guilty.

00:00:57.220 This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1.45 p.m. Signed by jury foreperson,

00:01:05.300 juror number 19. Same caption, verdict count three. We, the jury, in the above entitled matter as to

00:01:12.060 count three, second-degree manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk.

00:01:17.360 Find the defendant guilty. This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1.45 p.m.

00:01:23.360 Well, good afternoon. Welcome to Backstage. I'm Jeremy Boring, joined by Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh,

00:01:29.740 Andrew Klavan, Michael Knowles, and Candace Owens will be joining us directly. And we've just

00:01:34.780 learned the verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial. And we will be coming to you live with as many

00:01:40.380 updates as possible. Right now, the verdict is guilty on all charges. Ben, tell us what it means.

00:01:45.480 So it means that I'm not sure whether the sentencing is cumulative or whether it is they take the top

00:01:53.260 sentence and then everything else falls under that. But because he doesn't have a criminal record,

00:01:57.020 that means he maxes out at 12 and a half years for second-degree murder, 12 and a half years for

00:02:00.460 third-degree murder, four years or so for the manslaughter charge. It was pretty obvious from

00:02:06.720 how fast the jury came back that it was going to be guilty on all counts. As soon as they said the jury

00:02:10.120 was coming back today, I immediately said to my producers and publicly that it was going to be

00:02:14.700 guilty on all counts because they were never going to acquit on all counts that quickly.

00:02:19.160 If there had been an acquittal, it would have taken a while to get there. My own prediction was that if

00:02:23.420 there had been any sort of real evidentiary consideration, which I frankly do not think

00:02:27.380 that there probably was in this case. It was a three-week trial. There were 10 hours of consideration

00:02:30.820 that is wildly disproportionate in a case that has this many conflicting fact patterns,

00:02:35.060 that if they came back this fast, it would be a guilty verdict. I thought any jury that looked at this

00:02:40.780 would probably have gone hung jury on the two murder charges and then maybe convicted on the

00:02:46.440 manslaughter charge. If you were going to get very aggressive, that would have been an aggressive

00:02:49.620 jury. If you were a not aggressive jury, you would have hung on all three counts. And if it had hung

00:02:53.980 on all three counts, if it hung at all, then the judge would have instructed them to keep going back

00:02:57.360 in the jury room trying to beat it out because the fact is that you need a unanimous verdict for either

00:03:01.720 acquittal or for conviction in Minnesota. The fact that it was unanimous that quickly meant pretty

00:03:07.560 clearly that it was going to be conviction on all charges coming out. We'll have to see whether

00:03:12.100 people who had spent their nights planning for rioting and looting now actually go home or whether

00:03:16.360 they go ahead and hit the local target in celebration, presumably, of the verdict. But I think one thing

00:03:22.960 is pretty clear. For anybody who watched this case closely, I don't know how closely you watched

00:03:27.320 it, Drew, or Jeremy. I know, Matt, you watched it really closely. For people who watched this case

00:03:31.160 closely, there are elements here that it's very difficult to make the case to me that any rational

00:03:38.020 jury who just looked at the evidence would have come to the conclusion that beyond a reasonable

00:03:42.660 doubt, Chauvin was guilty of second or third degree murder. This just did not fulfill the elements.

00:03:46.840 The third degree murder charge particularly is absurd on its face. The third degree murder charge

00:03:49.960 never should have been allowed in the courtroom. The third degree murder charge is a charge for what

00:03:54.700 is generally called depraved heart murder. Depraved heart murder is you throw a brick onto a freeway

00:03:58.980 and you don't have anybody you're explicitly attempting to kill, but you end up killing

00:04:02.180 somebody on the freeway. You shoot a gun into a crowd. That's depraved heart murder. And that was

00:04:06.460 what the third degree murder charge was. You have to have intent to kill others, right? And then you

00:04:09.920 end up killing one person. It was counted anyway. It shouldn't have been on the, it shouldn't have

00:04:14.820 been on the docket. The second degree murder charge required felony assault that results in the

00:04:18.880 murder. So usually that is where you're robbing a store. You got a gun. The gun accidentally goes off

00:04:23.640 and kills somebody, right? Or the guy dies for some other reason while you're in the process of

00:04:27.660 committing some sort of felony. So you had to show that he intended to commit a felony against

00:04:31.600 George Floyd. It's very difficult to say that he intended to commit a felony against George Floyd

00:04:36.300 because Minneapolis Police Department procedure allows you to do exactly what Chauvin was doing

00:04:40.560 under these circumstances. The manslaughter one was a little bit easier to make because the charges

00:04:45.000 in that, in the manslaughter case, you just have to have reckless disregard. So the prosecution can make

00:04:49.640 the case that even if he didn't mean to do anything bad, it was reckless for him not to get off of

00:04:53.260 Floyd. Once Floyd was already unconscious and once Floyd was dying, he should have gotten off of him

00:04:57.940 and it was reckless not to get off of him. But the fact that they convicted on all three counts says

00:05:02.340 to me that they weren't really looking at the evidence because again, all three of those charges

00:05:06.300 also rely on a simple question of causation, right? Did George Floyd actually die because Derek Chauvin

00:05:12.160 was on top of him with his knee? What the defense showed repeatedly is that he did not have his knee on

00:05:18.080 his neck, right? There was no physical trauma to his trachea. There was no evidence that there had

00:05:22.600 been physical trauma to his arteries that would have cut off the oxygen to the brain.

00:05:29.060 There are a couple of different types of asphyxia. There's physical asphyxia where he actually

00:05:32.320 strangles somebody. You deprive somebody of oxygen to the brain by cutting off their blood supply

00:05:36.800 via their arterial blood flow. And then there is a chemical asphyxia, which is drug overdose.

00:05:43.080 And the fact is that George Floyd had three times the deadly level of fentanyl in his system. He

00:05:48.280 was high as a kite. He had 75% arterial blockage. The medical examiner originally said if I'd found

00:05:53.280 him dead in his room, I would have immediately assumed that it was a drug overdose, right? And

00:05:57.080 the only reason that this became a national issue is because of the tape, which on its face,

00:06:00.920 when everybody first saw it, looks really ugly. Because it turns out that a lot of policing

00:06:04.420 looks really ugly. And then when you get all of the lead up, at the very least, you don't have to say

00:06:09.060 that you love what Chauvin did. You don't have to say that Chauvin acted appropriately. You don't have to say

00:06:12.380 any of that stuff. What you do have to say is to not even believe that there's reasonable doubt on the murder

00:06:16.200 charges, on the murder charges, where you would have to have intent. That suggests to me that

00:06:20.460 this was far less about the actual facts of the case and far more about all of the hubbub

00:06:25.300 surrounding the case. This trial never should have taken place in Minneapolis. It should have

00:06:29.200 immediately been transferred in terms of venue. You were not going to find an impartial jury

00:06:33.200 in Minneapolis in the single most publicized criminal justice case of our lifetime, at least since

00:06:37.300 Rodney King. They don't sequester them. They didn't sequester them. By the way, the judge

00:06:42.180 because they're not sequestered, you have major political figures, the mayor, the president of

00:06:47.120 the United States, a sitting congresswoman, all calling for a guilty verdict. That has to have

00:06:53.020 some impact on a jury, doesn't it? Hours after the judge in the case reprimanded Maxine Waters,

00:06:58.880 who flew from D.C. to the city before the jury had started deliberating to demand a certain,

00:07:05.480 a guilty verdict. In fact, she demanded a verdict on premeditated murder, which he wasn't even charged

00:07:09.380 with. And first of all, Maxine Waters going to Minneapolis, what else could that be other than

00:07:16.780 an attempt to intimidate and tamper with the jury? What other motivation could you have to fly as a

00:07:22.040 high-ranking politician to the city where this local murder trial is happening and demand that

00:07:26.820 the jury come to a verdict? Either you believe in fair trials or you don't. Either you want the jury

00:07:31.420 to weigh the evidence and come to a decision or you don't. It's clear that they don't here. The

00:07:35.280 problem, the irony is that the only verdict we could really trust is an acquittal in all counts.

00:07:42.200 I think that would have been the right verdict, but it's also the only one you can trust because

00:07:45.220 it's the only one that couldn't have been motivated by anything but a look at the evidence. But with

00:07:51.400 this verdict, you have to obviously wonder, is that how they saw it when they investigated the

00:07:57.860 evidence? Or are they coming to this decision because they know their lives might be over,

00:08:02.180 might be ruined if they came to any other decision? They know that the media is going to leak their

00:08:06.360 identity and they're going to be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives.

00:08:10.680 They had a choice. They could be the heroes of the republic today or they could be the greatest

00:08:13.760 villains in the history of the republic today. And this had been tried out by the media. The media

00:08:18.120 wanted the riots. The media set this up. They want the riots. I don't know any other way,

00:08:23.240 any other motivation for their behavior other than they want the polarization, they want the riots.

00:08:26.760 Will there be riots anyway? Probably some, but nothing like there would have been.

00:08:30.900 And I mean, you know, it's funny. I was a court reporter. I was at an actual news newspaper man

00:08:35.440 in courtrooms and I'm very slow to judge, to pass judgment on the verdicts of juries because I know

00:08:40.780 that the world looks very different from the jury box than it does on TV or anywhere else. But the one

00:08:46.140 thing we can say about this trial is this is one of the greatest failures of our governing class I've

00:08:50.860 ever seen. And it's part and parcel of the failure of the of our governing class and handling

00:08:55.460 uh, COVID-19 and they're locked down and they're getting, you know, intoxicated with power. But to

00:09:01.200 have the president of the United States praying for the right verdict, to have a congresswoman sitting

00:09:06.580 out there and calling for violence, to have people in the press, Yamiche Alcindor, is that her name?

00:09:12.000 Uh, saying she could not believe that the prosecutor was contradicting. The defense was

00:09:17.720 prosecuting the contra. The, uh, the defense was contradicting the prosecutor. I thought like,

00:09:23.260 how stupid are these people? You know, just before I got here, uh, Jenna Ellis tweeted,

00:09:29.260 uh, that she was praying that the jurors had acted justly no matter what the verdict was.

00:09:34.920 The filth that came in, in answer to this, the kind of, these kind of stunted, ugly, demonic

00:09:41.180 answers of just pouring, uh, absolute vile filth on her for not thinking that a trial should be

00:09:47.100 decided on Twitter after watching a video. And to Ben's point, I've, I've also covered a lot of

00:09:53.300 cops. I've seen a lot of arrests. It is much, much easier to take a person down brutally than it is to

00:09:59.800 take a person down safely. To take a person down safely, you've got to wrestle him down. There's going

00:10:03.820 to be violence. It's really ugly. It frequently, they use more cops to do less damage. One cop can

00:10:09.800 take you down just by hitting you over the head with a stick in the right place. But four cops can

00:10:14.980 take you down safely. And so the things that you see on these videos are not dispositive. They're

00:10:19.720 simply not. You see a lot of ugly stuff on videos that move people. And of course, the politicians are

00:10:24.580 working to gin up their emotions. And so are the press. It is a complete failure of our authoritative

00:10:29.800 class and our clerisy, uh, in, in defending American justice. And again, I'm not going

00:10:35.780 to say this was the wrong verdict or the right verdict, but I will say that the behavior of

00:10:40.060 these people and from the president on down has been absolutely shameful and dangerous.

00:10:45.540 Candace joining us, um, your thoughts on the guilty verdict, guilty on all charges.

00:10:49.860 Um, it's the wrong verdict in my opinion. And I think that it's indicative of the fact that

00:10:55.560 we now live in mob rule. This is mob rule society. I mean, this is based on the evidence

00:10:59.820 that we saw and this was polluted from start to finish. So to me, the most important element

00:11:03.860 of this, which I found to be astonishing was the fact that they never released the full police

00:11:07.920 footage. They had it, they sat on it, they locked it down. It leaked months and months

00:11:12.440 later after the riots, um, you know, via the daily mail, I think. But when I watched the full

00:11:16.520 tape, I was astonished that they didn't think to just at least add this context so that people

00:11:21.320 understood, yes, this person was high out of his mind. He asked to be put on the ground.

00:11:27.320 He was resisting arrest. Let's not forget what the media, what they did, the power they had in

00:11:31.140 setting up this narrative to begin with. First, the media said he was just getting his life

00:11:34.840 together. Do you remember St. George? You guys remember St. George, right? He was just getting

00:11:38.540 his life together. He had moved to Minnesota. Yes, he was, you know, had, had been in prison

00:11:41.960 in the past, but he was just helping the youth and everyone was crying and, and it was,

00:11:46.220 oh my gosh, this man is, you know, is getting a second chance at life and, you know,

00:11:50.020 maybe had the wrong ID or whatever it was, was, was, was using a counterfeit bills and somebody

00:11:55.260 called the police and then he was killed. He was brutally murdered on the basis of him being

00:11:59.440 black. No indication. Nothing was said out of Derek Chauvin's mouth that, you know, should

00:12:04.520 insinuate that this was about being black versus white, but that was what the media ran with.

00:12:08.120 And then they successfully hid every piece of evidence that would have transformed public

00:12:12.500 opinion, right? Every piece of evidence that would have said, wait a second, there's more here.

00:12:16.400 Then they were upset when I released the video and just went over his track record because it was

00:12:19.840 clear to me according to his track record that it was very unlikely that a person that spends,

00:12:23.540 you know, approximately nine prison stints, nine stints in prison was really just getting his life

00:12:29.040 together after having served the last one. So, you know, to me, I think the saddest part of this is

00:12:34.320 that what we need to acknowledge is that right now mob rules, the media creates the mob and the mob

00:12:39.580 rules. And that's what we just saw play out. So what do we say about, Candace makes this great point

00:12:43.560 that the media had this footage. Every person in the United States, probably half the people in the world

00:12:49.080 saw this footage within days of the actual event. And we all, I think probably had a visceral reaction

00:12:57.440 to it. Very difficult footage to watch. Once you, once you emotionally attach a judgment to something

00:13:05.000 like that, is it possible to have your mind changed? I mean, yeah, that's why I think we all, it's a lesson

00:13:10.440 that hopefully we've all learned by now that you just, I don't care what the video looks like. I don't care

00:13:15.220 what it looks like. The first video you see, especially when it's, it's just starting, you

00:13:21.620 know, you're not, you're not getting there. There's always going to be an interaction before

00:13:26.020 where the video starts. And so whatever it looks like on the video, you cannot come to a conclusion.

00:13:30.680 We just went through this with the 13 year old kid. I'm, I'm, I'm blanking on his name, but

00:13:36.540 another, another horrible video where you're, you're watching a 13 year old kid in a back alley

00:13:43.160 getting shot. He did have his hands up. Um, and it looks horrible. Of course it upsets

00:13:47.020 everybody. But they never even released the police footage. Right. Remember the video that

00:13:50.780 we saw the nine minutes with somebody else shooting it. They never releases. Let's just

00:13:53.900 talk about how unusual that is, right? That they never released this full footage so that

00:13:57.620 we could at least see the context and see more, at least be able to discern more facts other

00:14:00.940 than somebody who's a bystander filming the video. And remember when Brad, I want to bring

00:14:05.560 up Brad Parscale. Do you remember how quickly that footage was released when Brad

00:14:09.260 Parscale, you know, got arrested when he was drunk and he got into a spot with his wife.

00:14:12.500 They released that footage like almost in the next minute. It was, it was, he got arrested

00:14:17.360 on a Monday and we had the footage by Monday afternoon, but George Floyd footage, it was

00:14:21.340 never for public consumption. The Daily Mail got it months later and released it. I also

00:14:26.700 think we're, we're probably at a point now where the full context doesn't even matter

00:14:30.420 because like I was saying with a 13 year old kid, it comes out. Oh, he had a, he had

00:14:33.500 a gun. He was just, he had a gun. He was just firing it at cars passing by. He's in a

00:14:37.260 gang area. The cop doesn't know that he's 13. You know, he ditches the gun behind a

00:14:41.340 fence. The cop can't see that he turns around. Like, obviously that's a justified

00:14:44.600 shooting, but it, I think from, from the perspective of the left and the media, if,

00:14:49.240 if, if a police officer shoots a non-white person, it is not justified period. They

00:14:55.140 at this point, Jacob Blake, right? I mean, you saw both, both Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

00:14:58.680 reach out to Jacob Blake's family. The man had been at the house of a woman who called

00:15:04.180 the cops on him because he had allegedly digitally raped her. Not all that long

00:15:08.280 ago. The cops show up. He resists arrest. He pulls a knife on the cops. He refuses

00:15:11.840 to abide by any of their requests. He reaches into the car. They shoot him. And still there

00:15:15.800 are riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin. And we see all the tape of it. And we're told that the

00:15:19.360 police get this wrong. Don't forget the NFL put Jacob Blake on the back. The New Orleans

00:15:23.360 Saints put Jacob Blake on the back of their how much during practice to honor him, to honor

00:15:28.360 him. Which is, which is also shameful by the way, holding these guys up as heroes, even

00:15:32.380 if they're unjustly killed, even if they don't deserve to die. This is my point. When I got,

00:15:36.500 you know, the, the, the video I did, a hundred million views and they couldn't believe it

00:15:40.220 because, oh my gosh, I'm alleging that maybe your little child shouldn't be, well, I don't

00:15:43.700 care what's happened. Maybe she shouldn't be wearing a George Floyd shirt. Maybe they

00:15:47.240 shouldn't be getting baptized in George Floyd circle or, you know, wherever it was they

00:15:50.240 were taking their, their children to be baptized. They literally tried to turn, transform him

00:15:54.120 into a saint. You know, they wanted to saint this man. And all you had to do was look at

00:15:57.780 his record and say, he has a wake of victims in his path, in his, in his past. Imagine the

00:16:03.180 woman who, when he, you know, got arrested for the armed robbery, broke into her home,

00:16:06.880 uh, put, you know, put a gun to her stomach. Her child, her, her, her minor child was in

00:16:11.640 the room during that time because he was looking for drugs and money. He pretended that they

00:16:15.580 pretended to be the water man, you know, and he breaks into the home and imagine that woman

00:16:19.540 watching the media saint this man. Right. Imagine that, that, that victim. And I, why I always

00:16:24.880 say this is that actually black female lives definitely don't matter because these black men

00:16:30.500 that they keep hailing as heroes and victims always leave a trail of female black victims

00:16:36.340 in their wake and nobody cares. That's a common theme, right? Because Dante Wright, most Dante

00:16:40.860 Wright, uh, one of the more recent ones, he robbed a woman at gunpoint. She was going to

00:16:46.640 get her rent money. He had just spent the night at her house. She allowed him to stay. She's

00:16:50.840 going to get her rent money, follows her, robs her at gunpoint, reaches into her, to her bra

00:16:54.400 actually to take the money. So that's sexual assault. He chokes her. Um, and then George

00:16:58.700 Floyd, Jacob Blake, I mean, this is like heroes, all of them heroes, yeah, the woman, how they

00:17:02.320 treat women. But I think what a lot of this comes down to for the media is that there is

00:17:05.940 a single factor analysis that they're using, which is the worst kind of analysis to use

00:17:09.300 because it just removes all of the compounds. And the single factor analysis is all the

00:17:13.140 problems that are experienced in America in the criminal justice system, all the racial

00:17:16.620 problems in America are due to cops, all of them. And therefore, if the cops are, if the

00:17:20.940 cops are the problem, that means it doesn't matter what the, the alleged victim was

00:17:25.420 doing. It doesn't matter what the suspect was doing. And not only that, it means that you

00:17:28.480 have an immediate polarity because you have a villain and it's not enough. You can't say

00:17:32.040 that there, there's a person who has a bad criminal record. And also the cop shouldn't

00:17:35.060 have done what he did to this person, right? You can hold both of those things, right?

00:17:38.020 You could have come to the conclusion that Derek Chauvin acted wrongly and should have

00:17:41.040 been convicted for manslaughter and still said George Floyd isn't a hero. That is quite

00:17:43.980 possible to say those things. But because the media use a single factor analysis, which

00:17:47.500 is that America is a white supremacist country. And therefore black people are deprived of

00:17:51.380 all agency are not responsible for any of their own actions. That means that it is just a

00:17:55.540 question of good versus evil. And you can identify it as quickly as looking at the

00:17:58.360 races of the people who are involved without looking at the tape, without looking at any

00:18:01.360 of the evidence in any of these cases. We've seen cases in Chicago where it turns out a

00:18:04.940 cop will shoot somebody. And before you even know the facts of the case, somebody will send

00:18:08.380 a text to somebody saying white cop, black suspect, and there are riots in the Chicago

00:18:12.160 loop. You remember this happened a few months ago.

00:18:13.320 And the race is always missing. They always conveniently remove the race if it's the other way around.

00:18:18.040 They'll just say shooter, right?

00:18:19.340 Or invent a race as with the Trayvon Martin, George Floyd, George Zimmerman, right?

00:18:24.000 Or white Hispanic.

00:18:24.500 I think the terrible part of the context that is completely, doubly erased is first the high

00:18:30.880 crime in black neighborhoods, which is not the fault of the police. I mean, whoever,

00:18:35.800 whose ever fault it is, the police are the last guy on the ladder to receive this. They've just

00:18:39.960 got to stop the crime. If the police had an app on their phone that could show criminal intent,

00:18:45.340 they wouldn't be looking at the color of a person's face. They'd be looking at the app on

00:18:48.680 their phone. They're just trying to find out who the bad guys are. And most of the people they're

00:18:52.920 protecting are the same, have the same color skin as they do. So that's the first thing. And the

00:18:56.840 other thing is just the fact that putting all of this stuff on the cops as if that they had some

00:19:02.200 kind of social power to shape the behavior of people in their neighborhoods, they don't have

00:19:08.100 that.

00:19:08.340 Well, right now, how can you be a police officer?

00:19:10.920 That's what I was about to say.

00:19:12.420 What's the incentive?

00:19:12.820 It is. You're about to see a crime spike like you have never seen in America's major cities.

00:19:17.160 We've seen it already.

00:19:17.800 You're already seeing it. It's a 30% increase in homicide in America's major cities. None of those

00:19:21.860 are red cities. They are all blue cities. They're all run by Democrats. I'm getting calls from

00:19:26.000 members of the Minneapolis Police Department, NYPD, Chicago PD, LAPD, Washington DC PD. I'm getting

00:19:31.080 calls from members of police departments all over the country, heads of unions, people saying our

00:19:34.980 police officers are just going to leave. They're going to take the early retirement if they can get it.

00:19:38.740 And if they can't get it, they'll still leave. Or if they do continue to serve, they will sit there

00:19:42.740 by the radio. And if there is a call for a crime and they're a white officer and the person is a

00:19:47.640 person of color who's a suspect, they will think twice before going to answer that crime, not because

00:19:51.140 they don't want to help out. Most of the people who join the cops are going to help out. This is

00:19:55.360 why they started this. If you're a white guy and you wanted to serve in the Washington DC Police

00:19:59.240 Department, it's not generally because you're some sort of statist who wants to harm black people.

00:20:02.880 It's because you want to help the 85% black community in the particular area that you're policing.

00:20:07.700 And the people who are going to pay for this are not white people on CNN. It's not going to be all

00:20:11.960 the white jerks on court TV or celebrating today. The people who are going to pay for all of this

00:20:15.940 are all of the same people who are going to be abandoned when the cops leave their city.

00:20:19.860 I don't blame the cops. I don't blame the cops. And I think we're going to see this. I do not

00:20:23.860 blame the cops. If I had, you know, if my son grew up and said, yeah, and said, I want to be a police

00:20:28.080 officer, I'd say, absolutely not. Are you kidding me? And let's just talk about to draw a parallel. And I brought

00:20:31.820 this up earlier this week. Number three leading cause of death in America are medical mistakes. A quarter of a million

00:20:37.440 plus people are killed every year because of medical mistakes. Presumably a lot of those people

00:20:41.040 that are being killed are black. Could you imagine a scenario where they suddenly said, you know,

00:20:45.480 doctors shouldn't be paid, you know, let's, let's, uh, doctors should have their jobs removed.

00:20:49.460 Doctors should go on trial. Doctors, doctors should be put behind bars every time they make a mistake.

00:20:53.980 Even the idea that a police officer is never allowed to make a mistake, like in the case when she,

00:20:58.220 you know, she misfired. Again, none of this stuff would happen. These mistakes,

00:21:01.460 if people could listen to police officers instructions, it's not that hard, right? And

00:21:06.640 right now you have black Americans that are learning that doesn't matter. You shouldn't

00:21:10.020 have to. In fact, the best case scenario is for a police officer to do anything wrong while you're

00:21:14.820 resisting arrest because you will be transformed from a hero. And I say transform, I'm talking about

00:21:19.180 from a drug dealer, from a drug user. I mean, all of these people from, you know, an accused rapist

00:21:24.340 into a hero. All you have to do is resist arrest and hope that a police officer makes a mistake

00:21:30.280 in the moment, which is likely to happen when adrenaline is running through your, in your

00:21:33.680 veins because you're wondering, am I going to survive this? Because police officers also have

00:21:37.840 to go home to families, right? Am I going to live when Rashad, whatever his name was,

00:21:42.160 Rashad, um, who was the guy in Atlanta? Yeah. Who grabbed, Rayshard Brooks grabbed the taser.

00:21:48.120 What are you thinking a police officer is going to think in that moment? And yet still the police

00:21:51.620 officers are always demonized. There is no incentive right now in this country to be a police officer.

00:21:55.860 Even if the cop is a bad cop, there are 700,000 police officers in this country. That's the

00:22:01.180 population of San Francisco. If 1% of them are bad cops, if 1% of them are bad cops,

00:22:07.520 that's a lot of bad cops. If, if we look at this country as if it were like a small town and that's

00:22:12.280 the way social media and the news media have combined to make us think about this country.

00:22:16.840 Like, wow, 13, what is it? 18 unarmed black people were shot last year? Like 18 people in the

00:22:22.160 country of 350 million black Americans. Although according to, uh, according to a survey of the

00:22:28.280 left, it's over a thousand. Yeah, I know. I know in their imagination, which is very dangerous.

00:22:32.980 By the way, there are over 40 million police civilian interactions every year, 40 million

00:22:37.520 police civilian interactions. And every one of those interactions is between the police and

00:22:40.980 somebody having a bad day because the, because the reason that you're talking to the cops is because

00:22:43.940 you had a bad day. Right, right. I mean that, that, that, again, the, the people who are going to

00:22:48.220 pay for the, the media's malfeasance here are, are not members of the media who have the

00:22:53.700 private security sitting outside their homes and members of the, uh, members of private

00:22:57.240 security sitting outside the headquarters of CNN. It's going to be all the people they get

00:23:00.220 criticized, you know, let alone. Actually, I actually want to pick up on this point. I think

00:23:04.080 it's important because we see it at so many levels of our society right now that the, the

00:23:09.100 media are so detached from the experience of everyday Americans. Our politicians are so detached

00:23:14.640 from the experience of everyday Americans. You have, you know, you, you have, uh, Jeff

00:23:19.020 Bezos makes a hundred billion dollars. He makes his first hundred billion dollars. God

00:23:22.840 bless him. He created an amazing service, revolutionized the world. Uh, I don't begrudge

00:23:27.120 him being the richest man in the world. He does that over the lifetime of Amazon to date. Uh,

00:23:31.660 then through his newspaper that he owns the Washington post through, uh, through the circles

00:23:36.180 in which he runs, which are politicians and media elite, uh, he promulgates, uh, this

00:23:42.460 entire idea of only lockdowns can save us only completely shutting down the world can save

00:23:46.840 us. And the only company that can be allowed to still exist during that time is mine is

00:23:51.060 Amazon. He makes another a hundred billion dollars. I begrudge him that a hundred billion

00:23:54.400 dollars. That's not capitalism. I begrudge Paul. I begrudge, uh, Fauci, uh, saying, you know,

00:24:00.860 maybe not, not by this summer, possibly, possibly by this summer, but then we'll have to stop

00:24:06.040 again, but definitely by next summer, you will definitely be able to eat in a restaurant

00:24:09.160 for the first time in 2022 and see your loved ones for the first time in two years. And you're

00:24:13.860 like, what are you talking about? Millions of Americans who don't live in New York city,

00:24:17.560 Washington, DC, San Francisco, and, and Los Angeles and Chicago have been seeing their

00:24:22.020 family the whole time have been eating inside at restaurants the whole time. But he's so

00:24:26.500 detached from the people over whom he would rule that he doesn't even know that they don't

00:24:31.540 all live their lives like him. The people telling us that we can't work all have jobs. The

00:24:35.760 people telling us, uh, that we can't have police all have private security. This, this

00:24:40.280 elite mentality, this detachment between the elite and, and the rest of us. And I'm, I

00:24:46.700 shouldn't say the rest of us. We're elite. Well, let me ask a question. We're elite.

00:24:49.040 We don't have to be an elite and to be an elite. And to be an elitist. That's right.

00:24:52.220 When you started with this 15 days to slow the spread, you said to me, this is a terrible

00:24:55.500 idea. And I thought, well, 15 days to slow the spread. We don't know what's coming. It

00:24:58.500 kind of makes sense, but it was a terrible idea. Not because it was a terrible idea. It

00:25:01.860 was a terrible idea because they're terrible people. They are people who despise,

00:25:05.760 the people that they govern. And given the fact that most, I mean, by the way, if they

00:25:09.860 had said 15 days to slow the spread, and I had believed for one second that that's what

00:25:13.740 they meant, I would have gone, oh yeah, let's all stay home. One time the government took

00:25:17.020 powers and then gave them back. That's right. Come on. Don't be ridiculous. I mean, I was

00:25:19.920 the first one saying, don't do it. Don't do it. And everyone was like, oh, it's going to

00:25:22.380 be fine. It's like common sense. I mean, is it? Have we opened a history book? I mean,

00:25:26.200 you don't even have to open a history book. I mean, are we still not operating under the

00:25:29.880 Patriot Act? Remember that was going to be just temporary. Don't remember guys, just going to be a

00:25:32.860 temporary thing. Anybody can get in the airplane and things haven't changed in terms of having to

00:25:37.620 have a cavity search. I mean, they never give it back. But I do want to go deeper because you just

00:25:42.920 said, okay, it's ruling over people. But like, is that actually what they're after? Because I have

00:25:46.120 to ask myself, we know where this is going to end. More black deaths than ever before, right? The

00:25:49.520 whole George Floyd, the protests, the riots, it all ends in more black death, right? The more black

00:25:53.840 people die in the George Floyd protests than are killed by police officers every year. Police

00:25:58.600 officers are 18 and a half times more likely to be killed by a black man the other way around.

00:26:02.280 But let's table that for a second. What is the point of the media doing this? And I'm serious.

00:26:07.340 What is the point of not wanting people to be calm and rational and not riot and loot and kill each

00:26:13.860 other? Like, what is the point? What are they actually after through this? I have to ask myself

00:26:18.500 that question. And I'm not even, you know, trying to posit a conspiracy. I'm actually like, let's be

00:26:22.500 the media right now and say, okay, we want them to. Why? Well, the philosophy that says a good crisis

00:26:27.680 should never go to waste needs a good crisis all the time. They think the weather is a crisis.

00:26:31.120 They think the sun, you know, the sun. Black people riot. What does it do? What does it do?

00:26:34.460 How are they winning with that? It makes people lose, lose their sense, their common sense of

00:26:39.760 the things you just said, that once they take power, they never give it back. How do you get

00:26:43.280 the power? Can I say, I'll say something controversial that, that I'm sure I shouldn't say. I actually

00:26:49.660 think it's that to the media elite, black people aren't people. It all comes down to this. It's

00:26:59.040 this sort of not mirroring, but projecting where everything that they basically say is evil about

00:27:06.440 the right. It's true about them. They say that we don't see, they say that we don't see people's

00:27:10.680 fundamental humanity. We do. We see their individual humanity. They actually don't see people's

00:27:15.460 individual humanity. They are a special class of people, real people, and people who are different

00:27:21.500 than them. This is why the coastal elite hate, you know, the number one, essentially the number

00:27:26.920 one comorbidity in the country where COVID is concerned is obesity. Obesity, yeah.

00:27:31.160 They hate the obese. So you never hear them saying things like, maybe it would be good if during this

00:27:36.180 time of national crisis, we tackled obesity, which is the number one predictor of whether or not you're

00:27:40.840 going to die from COVID-19. They don't not do that because they don't know. They don't do it

00:27:44.640 because they don't care. They dislike fat people with their little snarky remarks about maybe you

00:27:49.760 go home to Olive Garden and support Donald Trump. They spit this crap out constantly. And I think

00:27:56.340 it's true, candidly, with how they see non-white Americans. I think that they think non-white

00:28:03.840 Americans are a group. They're not individuals. They're a thing that exists.

00:28:07.300 That doesn't explain Antifa in Portland. I think what you're saying is right.

00:28:13.200 They lack the concept of human dignity. They don't see us as possessing human dignity.

00:28:17.840 And I think that's the problem. I also want to make a point.

00:28:19.680 Well, they see their own dignity.

00:28:21.280 Yeah, that's true. That's true. Just about the police. I think there's a really important

00:28:24.180 point here because as was mentioned, you know, 40 million interactions, there's 10 million arrests

00:28:27.840 basically every year, a thousand police shootings. A fraction of those, like 14, you know,

00:28:33.880 14 to 25 are going to be unarmed shootings of a black person. And then there are going

00:28:38.300 to be a few more that are unarmed shootings of white people. If you even, if you bear

00:28:41.480 down even on that number, which I have done for the year 2019, I actually looked at every

00:28:45.340 single unarmed shooting of a black person. And what I found is that at least half of them

00:28:49.940 were clearly justified because the black perp was in the process of trying to kill a cop

00:28:54.680 with a car. That doesn't count as being armed. So even when you look at that, it's even most

00:28:58.700 of those shootings are justified, but the unjustified shootings, okay, even the unjustified

00:29:03.440 ones. And there are a few each year, a few, of course, and none of them that I have seen.

00:29:09.260 And at least in recent history had anything to do with race. When, when cops make a decision

00:29:14.140 to shoot someone, whether it's justified or not, in almost every case, they're making that

00:29:18.820 decision based on self-preservation. This other thing, the media lacks an understanding

00:29:22.540 of human nature. Human nature is you want to, you want to go home to your family. And so even

00:29:26.800 in the bad shootings, Daniel Shaver in, in Mesa, Arizona, white man, few years ago, he

00:29:32.660 was shot dead by the police, unarmed, literally on his knees, begging for his life. That's

00:29:37.620 what they said Michael Brown was doing, but he wasn't. This guy, and it's on body cam

00:29:41.180 footage. He's on his knees, begging for his life, crawling towards him. They shoot him

00:29:46.340 dead. Why do they do it? Not because everyone there is white. It's not racism. Do those cops

00:29:50.540 just show up looking to kill someone that day? No, they're not serial killers.

00:29:53.500 All of them. They, they, I think it's just that they were not willing to take any chance

00:29:58.380 with their own lives. And they would rather on the, on the like 1% chance or 0.1% chance

00:30:02.340 that this guy posed a threat. They said, I'm just going to shoot him dead.

00:30:04.560 Yeah. This goes to my point. The police, the police actually are real people and real people

00:30:09.900 view people as, view others as individuals. And so they enter all of these situations, making

00:30:14.680 actual, actual real world individual assessments of what is happening right in front of them.

00:30:19.820 The media doesn't do that. They see themselves as individuals. They see themselves as fully

00:30:24.760 formed and everyone else is a two dimensional. Well, this is right. But I think that that

00:30:28.580 goes to the, the even broader question that Candace is asking, which is why are they like

00:30:31.440 that? And I think the answer is they're utopian. If you, if you talk to journalists about what

00:30:34.840 they think they're doing in the world, they say things like it's our job to speak, to, to take

00:30:39.940 power from the powerful and give power to the powerless. It's tight. We have to give a voice

00:30:44.080 to the voiceless. We have to reestablish justice in the universe. I mean, they sound like

00:30:47.340 they're, they're reading a bad Superman comic, right? I mean, everything they think they

00:30:50.760 are doing, we have to speak truth to power. We are the, we are the voice of the oppressed,

00:30:55.280 right? We have to establish justice. These are not things that journalists were traditionally

00:30:59.360 tasked with doing. Usually we thought that a journalist was the guy with like the battered

00:31:02.880 hat with maybe a high school degree whose job it was just to report on what was going

00:31:05.940 on. But now there's this kind of highfalutin idea that they are the drivers of grand social

00:31:10.220 change in the United States.

00:31:11.180 I don't believe it's more nefarious than that because they know they're lying, right? By omitting

00:31:14.080 the truth, you're telling them. No, I'm saying that I know that they're lying and I think

00:31:17.420 they know they're lying and I think that they, but I think that when you're so blinded, when

00:31:21.300 you're so blinded by your own utopian vision, everything around you becomes either a tool

00:31:25.540 or an obstacle. And everything for these folks is a tool or an obstacle. And the thing is,

00:31:29.540 once people are reduced to being tools of your, of instruments of your will, once that

00:31:34.000 happens, only single, only single factor analysis applies to those people. See, in our own

00:31:37.860 lives, this is why you see the hypocrisy of Gretchen Whitmer, who understands all of the,

00:31:42.240 all of the, you know, intricate console, the intricate factors that lead to the fact that

00:31:48.440 she needs to go to Florida and visit her sick father. Okay. All of us have a sick relative

00:31:51.680 that we've wanted to visit. And so as just a human being, I don't begrudge her visiting

00:31:54.780 Florida. I begrudge that she's telling everybody else they can visit Florida, visit their sick

00:31:57.720 parents. So for people who are utopian, just to sort of finish the point, for people who

00:32:01.920 are utopian, the idea is that they get to look at the multi-factor analysis that goes into

00:32:06.680 being a fully rounded human being. But because they are reaching for utopia and because

00:32:10.160 people are complex and because that complexity is an obstacle to their utopian vision, they have

00:32:14.820 to reduce everybody down to two-dimensional widgets. And that means that once that any data

00:32:18.720 point can be reduced down to these two-dimensional versions of reality that in some cases are just

00:32:22.980 flatly false and then crammed into the narrative. And that's what you see in cases like the

00:32:26.740 Chauvin case. How did this become a proxy? Forget about the actual activity here. How in the world

00:32:31.840 did this become a proxy for race in America? Right. There is zero. America's on trial.

00:32:35.920 Right. They kept saying America's on trial. What happens in this trial is going to say

00:32:39.240 everything about where America is on race. There is not one shred of evidence. There is no

00:32:44.400 allegation. There is nothing that says that this had to do with race. Nothing. They couldn't come

00:32:48.340 up with it. Even if it was murder. Even if it was murder. Even if it was first degree murder.

00:32:51.720 There is no evidence, which was not even alleged. There was no evidence whatsoever that Chauvin

00:32:55.660 said, oh, a black guy, that's why I'm going to kill him today.

00:32:58.560 But the strange thing to me, the huge disparity that always strikes me is the disdain they have for

00:33:05.100 ordinary people on the one hand and how stupid they are on the other. I mean, and I mean that,

00:33:09.700 I don't mean that just as an insult. I mean, literally, if you took the combined IQ of Chris

00:33:14.240 Cuomo and Brian Stelter and Don Lemon, you could roll it on a pair of dice, you know. But yeah,

00:33:19.380 I mean, well, Ben, you know, no matter what you think of Ben's opinion, Ben has more information

00:33:22.700 in this like white part of the of his fingernail than these guys have in their entire heads.

00:33:27.140 And yet they feel justified in lying to the people that they're supposed to report to

00:33:32.480 because they think they have to guide you to where you have to go. Right.

00:33:36.760 Where on earth did that entitlement come from? What moment did they look in the mirror?

00:33:40.660 Because they know utopia better than you. They know utopia better than you.

00:33:42.900 They know their fantasies better than you. And so if they know what the vision is,

00:33:46.140 if they're the prophets, the prophets don't have to present facts. The prophets just present the

00:33:49.540 ultimate vision. And then it's your job to listen to them because otherwise you're not

00:33:53.200 listening to the prophet. I mean, you get this. You don't know what's good for you.

00:33:55.700 You don't. And which unifies this whole conversation, right?

00:33:58.320 If you thought that you would at least, you know, have an IQ of, I don't know.

00:34:01.380 But it doesn't make sense because you can say that they believe in utopian vision,

00:34:04.500 but when they step outside and they look around and you see New York the way it looks

00:34:08.460 and Minnesota the way it looks and you see Los Angeles the way it looks because people

00:34:11.620 are rioting and looting and I mean, people are leaving the state, right? Why would they want

00:34:16.320 to live in that environment? Because of course, this is not going to stop. Right now, it might

00:34:20.180 be contained into the inner cities, but they're going to eventually start rioting and looting

00:34:23.720 the suburbs when things happen, right? Because you can't, like the case with Antifa, they couldn't

00:34:27.660 contain it. They were so supportive of Antifa for years, Democrats. Oh, they're the anti-fascists.

00:34:32.880 There's that whole story in Minneapolis, right?

00:34:33.720 It's an idea, Joe Biden said. It's an idea. They have, they are burning down Portland every

00:34:39.100 single night. What they are doing is incredible because the Democrats won't acknowledge that

00:34:42.380 these people are not an idea. This is thuggery in America. These are actual domestic terrorists

00:34:47.160 that you're looking for. They're, they're on the ground in Portland every single night.

00:34:50.800 Their last, their last words will be, but I'm one of the good ones.

00:34:54.020 Yeah. Right. But that's right. I mean, because when you think about, okay, so simultaneously

00:34:59.220 while this is happening today, Maxine Waters, the House Republicans tried to push a censure

00:35:03.180 vote on Maxine Waters. And the announcement, the verdict was coming out happened in the

00:35:07.480 middle of that censure vote. Every single Democrat voted in favor of tabling the censure

00:35:12.120 vote. Every single one, right? Not a single Democrat broke ranks and said, you know, maybe

00:35:15.700 we should say something about the fact that this lady who's been incentivizing rioters since

00:35:19.880 she was in Congress, I mean, going all the way back to 92, she was calling, I mean, I was

00:35:22.820 living there. I was eight. And I remember Maxine Waters on the TV saying that the LA riots were

00:35:26.860 the LA uprising, right? Like she's been doing this her entire career. So this is nothing new for

00:35:30.760 Maxine Waters, who's the most corrupt member of Congress, bar none. There really are no close

00:35:34.340 competitors. The, the unwillingness of a single Democrat to condemn her. Again, it goes back to

00:35:39.800 the utopian because when there are Republicans that Republicans don't like, usually we look at them

00:35:44.080 and we say, that guy's ideas really suck, right? Like if there's, if there's a Republican and we look at

00:35:48.620 him and he says something that's bad or he does something that's bad, like we don't want to be

00:35:51.380 anywhere near this person. This person's like yucky. Roy Moore in Alabama. You got a Democratic

00:35:55.760 Senator from Alabama because Republicans in Alabama said, we don't want to be anywhere near

00:35:59.920 this guy. We don't like what he's saying. We don't like what he's doing. And for Democrats,

00:36:03.380 they have yet to meet a Democrat so radical that the person is bad. In fact, sometimes they're the

00:36:08.720 best of them. In fact, the more, the more pure they are, this is why the AOCs and the Ohio

00:36:13.520 Mars and the Maxine Waters are actually aspirational figures because it's just that we, you know,

00:36:19.460 the mature members of the democratic party. We know that you kind of have to be Machiavellian

00:36:22.740 in place in politics and stuff, but they're so innocent and so wonderful and so joyous that we

00:36:27.440 just have to, you know, at least give them props for their ideological purity. So here from Speaker

00:36:32.400 Pelosi herself, speaking in front of the Capitol at a congressional black caucus presser. Thank you,

00:36:39.060 George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice because of you. And because of thousands,

00:36:44.380 millions of people around the world who came out for justice,

00:36:47.020 your name will always be synonymous for justice.

00:36:50.360 Oh, wow.

00:36:51.000 That's a religious cult.

00:36:52.860 I was going to say this.

00:36:53.700 She then said, give us the right.

00:36:55.080 This is literal.

00:36:55.980 Drug addict.

00:36:56.920 Okay. He was a drug addict. He was, he abused women. He abused men. He, you know, this is,

00:37:00.840 this is disgusting that that is, it actually grosses me out. Do we have no better examples to put

00:37:06.740 forward in the black community? When you think of the word justice, you think of George Floyd. I mean,

00:37:11.180 how far we have fallen since Martin Luther King. It honestly makes me sick. It makes me sick.

00:37:15.980 It's so upsetting to me as a black person to see what is coming out as representative of the

00:37:21.500 black community, what we are told we should be holding up. Do you think those words would be

00:37:25.280 written when Clarence Thomas dies? Do you think those words would be written when Thomas Sowell

00:37:28.840 dies? Do you think those words would be written when Dr. Condoleezza Rice dies? That's why I asked

00:37:32.720 the question, why? It's almost like they are trying to intentionally pivot the attention of black

00:37:37.080 Americans into celebrating degeneracy at every turn, right?

00:37:40.880 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, they think of black people, whether it's, yes, whether it's culture,

00:37:45.200 this is who we're going to name woman of the year, right? Cardi B, Cardi B, whether it's talking

00:37:49.320 about, you know, civil justice, George Floyd is now the emblematic of civil justice. He's so,

00:37:54.340 he's so brave what he sacrificed his life. I mean, there is something very sinister and very

00:37:59.960 disgusting happening right now in this country in terms of how they are trying to pollute black minds.

00:38:04.220 And it goes all the way from the education system and critical race theory to these disgusting words.

00:38:08.980 And I will call them disgusting because they are, and they are false. George Floyd died. He was a

00:38:13.640 drug addict, period. Whether you have an opinion about whether Jarek Chauvin, you know, should have

00:38:17.880 spent some time in prison. Yes or no. We should all agree that this man is not emblematic of justice.

00:38:23.520 Right. I mean, it infuriates me. And he's, and aside from being a drug addict, I mean, that's,

00:38:28.200 that's, that's important. That's, I think that's why he died. But, but this was a man, there's,

00:38:32.600 there's no indication. This was a man who preyed on his own community and, you know,

00:38:37.580 forcing your way into a woman's home and robbing her at gunpoint in front of her child.

00:38:41.600 That's not some small mistake. It's also not something he did when he was 16.

00:38:44.800 He said it twice. Aunt Robert, he was twice.

00:38:46.280 Yeah. This is, this is, this is really depraved evil that this person was capable of. And what

00:38:50.820 you're seeing there is it really is, it, the anti-racism stuff takes on the shape of a religious

00:38:55.800 cult because you've got, you have your literal savior figure who's, who sacrificed himself

00:39:00.320 talking about him like he's a Christ figure, really, literally.

00:39:02.720 Sacrifices his life. Sacrifices his life. The thing about Jesus is that, I may not be a

00:39:07.880 New Testament scholar, but it seems to me that Jesus, in your guise's version of this, wanted

00:39:14.440 to be sacrificed, right? I mean, like at the very least. No one takes my life from me.

00:39:18.820 I lay it down, he said. Yeah. I mean, if you're supposed to be the son of God, you pretty much

00:39:22.840 don't have to do that. So, so to equate those two things, of course, is silliness on his face.

00:39:28.000 Wait for it. They will name streets after George Floyd. To your point, last, I actually

00:39:33.860 think that the left is about to turn on Martin Luther King Jr. I do too. I think, I think

00:39:38.880 he's toast. Yep. I think another important part of the religious cult aspect of the anti-racism

00:39:43.720 thing is you have your Christ figure, which is important, but you also have the concept

00:39:47.500 of inherited guilt. And it, and this is taking on, it's, it's very similar to the Christian

00:39:52.040 idea of original sin. And, but, but now in this case, it's a racial. And so as, as white

00:39:58.820 people, we all have this inherited guilt of, of racism and slavery, because of course, white

00:40:03.260 people are the only people that ever did this in history, according to the left anyway. And,

00:40:06.400 and so we need to atone of, for that sin through, you know, making pilgrimages now to the Holy

00:40:12.840 Land, the Holy spot where George Floyd was killed. It, it really is religious. And this is

00:40:17.960 all utopian ideologies mirror Christianity, right? So they all have a concept of original

00:40:25.340 sin. That's actually the fundamental thing that unites all utopian ideologies, including

00:40:30.880 by the way, say libertarianism, which posits that the original, that the original sin is

00:40:36.160 government force coercion. You have communism, which posits that the original sin is class.

00:40:42.360 You have this new anti-racist cult that's forming that posits that the, the original

00:40:47.860 sin is some sort of systemic racism. They, they all acknowledge that there's something

00:40:53.300 wrong with man. They disagree about what the something wrong with man is, but they all

00:40:59.640 believe that there is some sort of sin that has to be fleshed, flushed out by their new

00:41:04.200 clergy that they're creating. And with their new liturgy that they're creating, with their

00:41:08.140 new penance practices that they're creating. And by, by that mechanism, we might be redeemed

00:41:13.400 into their utopia. And of course, what we on the, on the right believe is that we, we

00:41:17.940 agree that there's an original sin, original sin, and the, and we don't believe that it

00:41:24.380 can be purged. This is the, the fundamental distinction between right and left, whether

00:41:28.520 you're Jewish, whether you're a Christian, we believe there's an original sin and you

00:41:32.620 can't unmake it. And we all share it because those utopias that you point out, those are,

00:41:37.780 they're original sins. And the other thing is that there's, it's a certain segment of

00:41:42.480 the population that carries it and they're the villains. Whereas within the, in the, you

00:41:46.780 know, theological idea of original sin, it's the, the huge, the whole human race. It's all

00:41:50.960 of us. And we're trying to figure out what to, what to do with it, not what to do about

00:41:55.540 it. You know, there, there's something that, that I was thinking about earlier and sort of

00:41:58.780 back to something you were saying, Candace, about the, the perversion and the, the attempt

00:42:02.820 to build up certain people as heroes who clearly are not heroes. And again, it's amazing that

00:42:07.840 you got so much flack for saying this while not even talking about what Derek Chauvin

00:42:12.300 did, whether it was right or wrong, because two things can be true at once. You can believe

00:42:15.860 that Derek Chauvin should go to jail and you can also believe that three times. I know, I

00:42:18.960 know you did. He should have acted differently. I know you did. And, and, but for, for the

00:42:22.980 left, it, you know, kind of Lisa Rice, you just, the phrase, the soft bigotry of low

00:42:26.100 expectations to talk about how the left treats black Americans with the idea being that you

00:42:31.220 don't have to perform as well in the SATs. That's fine. You know, we can't expect that

00:42:34.380 of you because of course you're black, right? Which is the soft bigotry of low expectations.

00:42:37.160 So I tweeted that the other day about the, the mentality, uh, that surrounds riding and

00:42:41.320 looting that we have now reached a point in the United States where whenever there is

00:42:44.580 an incident that involves a white cop and a, and a black suspect, we expect, we full on

00:42:50.480 expect there to be riding and looting. It's not as though we say, Oh God, I hope there's

00:42:53.660 not riding and looting. We start boarding up our windows. We start making our plans to

00:42:57.440 leave town. If we can, we start, we start canceling school in Minneapolis. We cancel

00:43:00.880 NBA games preemptively. Like we know it's going to happen and we accept it as norm, right?

00:43:04.900 We accept it as like, this is how it's just going to be. Like, of course there were national

00:43:07.420 guard troops that were on the, on the roof of the, of the courthouse while the verdict

00:43:11.400 was being read. Of course the DC helicopters, the PD is up there in the helicopters in

00:43:15.460 advance of this. I mean, like that's just normal. That's the way that it works. So I

00:43:18.640 tweeted out this is the soft bigotry of low expectations. And, um, I believe that it

00:43:22.620 was a Jason Whitlock tweeted back, no, that stop calling it soft bigotry. That's

00:43:26.240 not soft bigotry. That's just bigotry. And it is, it's, it's not the soft bigotry

00:43:29.660 of low expectations. It's the pure bigotry of no expectations because there's a belief

00:43:33.240 that there is, you are expected. Human behavior is not expected because our system is so grave

00:43:38.920 and so horrible that we've perverted it. And so there's no point in even trying, which

00:43:41.720 is the worst message you could possibly give to anybody. It treats them as not as non-human

00:43:47.100 treats them as incapable of agency of making good decisions. And when the media promulgate

00:43:51.300 this lie that if you're black in America, you are at existential risk and that you being

00:43:55.640 black in America is a wearying prospect where you're constantly weary, where you're constantly

00:43:59.460 tired, where you're Jonathan Capehart writing for the Washington post for hundreds of thousands

00:44:02.880 of dollars and appearing on MSNBC every day, but you're exhausted by the prospect of being

00:44:06.620 black in America. I, I, I, that, that sort of mythos that's built up relieves the, the

00:44:12.860 possibility, forget individual responsibility, which are clearly relieves. It relieves the possibility

00:44:16.480 of you being able to live your own life in a productive and, and meaningful way.

00:44:20.860 But the thing is, is like, I want to be careful how I say this because it's controversial, but

00:44:25.660 I, I met years ago with a very prominent black political figure and I sat down in his office

00:44:32.460 and he said to me, you know, you're going to get to the point where you're going to, you're

00:44:36.640 going to lose hope. You're going to lose faith in the black community. You're just going

00:44:39.560 to be tired of it. Right. I can feel myself now going from genuinely wanting black America

00:44:46.800 to wake up to wondering if we ever are, ever are. You know what I mean? Like, it's like

00:44:51.100 we can sit here and I can feel bad. Oh, it's not fair. You know, the education system is

00:44:55.700 doing this. The media is lying to black America. But when you look out and you see this kind

00:44:59.860 of stuff, right, it's like, I'm tired of the handholding now, right? I'm almost getting

00:45:03.180 tired of the handholding where it's like, you know, it's, it's not difficult to try to pursue

00:45:07.680 the truth, right? It's not that difficult to try to pursue the truth. These people are clearly not

00:45:11.620 our friends, right? They obviously don't have high opinions, but here's the thing. They're

00:45:15.240 setting lower and lower expectations, but we keep meeting these lower and lower expectations.

00:45:19.320 You know what I mean? When you look at the statistics in black America, what are we 13%

00:45:23.480 of the population? And we account for over 50% of all of the violent crimes. These are problems

00:45:29.420 that are never going to get addressed. Our communities are going to be, you know, further the,

00:45:33.580 the, the black communities that live in the projects, those are about to get a lot worse.

00:45:37.140 And the only key to all of this is education. It might be the only way this gets fixed is

00:45:41.860 education. But instead of saying, educate our kids, you have black Americans that are at

00:45:46.380 the forefront saying, you know what? We shouldn't even have standardized tests, but

00:45:49.360 standardized tests are racist. Education and also parenting. We have to fix it. It's like,

00:45:54.620 we have to stop feeling bad. Like black America has to fix black America. It may be presumptuous,

00:45:59.160 but I'm actually, I'm 10 years older than you. And in that short amount of time,

00:46:04.400 the country really changed. I experienced a different upbringing in some ways than you did.

00:46:11.060 I don't think that the black community has a responsibility to better itself. I believe that

00:46:16.840 all individuals have a responsibility to better themselves and that we as religious communities,

00:46:23.620 which is a community you select into, or as regional communities, like actual towns,

00:46:29.020 that's a community that we have opted into geographically, or our national community,

00:46:35.280 that we have an obligation to help one another as individuals step up. And I actually think this,

00:46:41.480 the idea that the left talks a certain way to the black community,

00:46:45.460 that's how they see the world. And we shouldn't grant them that premise.

00:46:49.820 They, they, they reduce us all down into these communities that we didn't opt into. These

00:46:56.040 communities that are the result of, of some immutable characteristics. Yeah, exactly. Immutable

00:47:01.400 characteristics. And they want us to identify by that. You shouldn't look at the so-called black

00:47:06.520 community and get weary because you shouldn't associate yourself with a community that you

00:47:10.580 didn't opt yourself into. You're right. What, what we should do is go find individuals in,

00:47:15.080 in, uh, black American individuals, white American individuals, Hispanic American individuals.

00:47:21.680 Those are the people we should build community with by opting into community with them. And we

00:47:26.640 should help one another, uh, make ourselves better. And we make ourselves better fundamentally by

00:47:31.120 realizing that sin isn't something that's being visited upon us. Sin is something that is in us and

00:47:37.200 that we carry around and that we have to buy, by religious mechanisms, by ethical mechanisms,

00:47:42.540 by moral mechanisms, uh, that we have to, to rise above. I think the entire, the entire idea that

00:47:48.960 we, that we are the color of our skin, the entire idea that we are, uh, uh, any other immutable

00:47:54.160 characteristic and the entire idea that we are the product of forces external to us that are

00:47:59.760 impacting us. But those are the two worst lies ever told in human history. And I had the, I grew up in

00:48:05.500 the brief moment in the history of this country where we had essentially transcended the problem

00:48:12.540 of race in America. Doesn't mean there were no individual racists. There were, of course, there

00:48:16.300 always will be. We had transcended the, the problem of sort of, uh, uh, uh, national rate, you know,

00:48:22.060 racism being at the floor, racism being baked into the cake, racism at that time. It's why there was a

00:48:27.060 national celebration when Obama was elected. That's right. It is. I mean, it's because that, that was the

00:48:31.080 attitude. I opposed Obama, but the, but I understood at least the sentiment where Americans said to each

00:48:35.520 other, guys, I mean, like a racist country doesn't elect a black president. That's not,

00:48:39.740 that's not what racist countries do. But we are a racist country now post Obama. It was a non-racist

00:48:44.860 country that ascended Obama to the presidency. We are today a racist country because even we

00:48:50.080 in some ways have adopted the fundamental premises of the left. And we have to agree with that.

00:48:56.200 Racist. Yeah. Not a racist country. I think a racially, a racially defined country. That's

00:49:01.820 correct. One thing you discount too, though, when you talk about the people is really just how bad

00:49:06.920 our governing classes are. When you have a, you know, when, when we lost, for instance, local

00:49:12.800 newspapers, now we have information controlled by the powerful. So we have the powerful doing bad

00:49:18.320 things and high and lying about them. And then we have the powerful reporting on those things and lying

00:49:23.000 about them. The people, you know, people talk about the madness of crowds, but I don't think

00:49:26.840 crowds actually are mad because it's, it's madness to think that you're being lied to every minute.

00:49:31.640 You have to be insane to think you're being lied to every minute, even if you are. And I think

00:49:35.620 people are being lied to every single minute and the crowds believe them. It's, you know, what are

00:49:40.640 they supposed to make? What is the average person, especially a poor person, especially somebody

00:49:44.400 who doesn't have the kind of access to education and information that other people might have?

00:49:48.000 And the access they have is polluted.

00:49:49.560 Right. What's he to make of it when they keep telling you what it's a racist?

00:49:53.000 The establishment media, Delenda asked, it's got to go. It's got to go.

00:49:57.880 It's all it. That's why there's something much more nefarious happening. This isn't just because

00:50:02.140 they want to live in a utopia, right? They're intentionally dumbing people down, intentionally

00:50:07.480 inciting violence, right? They know they're not telling the full story. They know they're not

00:50:11.200 telling the truth. They want these people to go out and ruin their own neighborhoods. I mean,

00:50:15.100 this is six stuff that we're talking about. And to your point, you're correct. I said this when people

00:50:18.660 kept saying to me, George Floyd, I mean, you don't see yourself. Why would I see myself

00:50:23.140 in George Floyd? Why the hell would I see myself in George Floyd? I have more in common with a

00:50:27.500 little Asian girl that goes home from school and does her homework at eight years old than

00:50:31.400 I have in common with George Floyd. I don't see anything close to myself because we have

00:50:35.120 similar melanin. I'm supposed to go, oh, you know what? George Floyd, yeah, he's my people.

00:50:38.720 He's my people.

00:50:39.780 We had to bear down, I think, on, we're talking about the media, we're talking about governing

00:50:43.140 classes. The issue of the family is not something we can skim over. You look in the black community,

00:50:48.560 especially in the city. We all know the statistics, 70 percent homeless. I mean,

00:50:52.820 70 percent fatherless rate. Now, we could just say that figure like it's just a figure,

00:50:58.500 but that is apocalyptic. And if you want to know what a post-nuclear family civilization looks like,

00:51:04.240 it looks like the inner city. It looks like Chicago. It looks like Baltimore. That's what

00:51:07.320 it looks like. And when you don't have a family, I mean, look at these kids. Going back to the 13-year-old

00:51:11.320 kid, tragic case that was shot by the cop, even though that was a justified shooting.

00:51:14.940 That's a 13-year-old child at 3 a.m. on a school night out with a loaded gun shooting at cars.

00:51:20.620 Look, the cops... He'd been missing for two days, I believe.

00:51:22.540 Yeah, missing for two days. The mother had not reported it. The most recent time he went missing,

00:51:26.800 the mother didn't bother reporting it. Now, the cops are custodians. They're janitors that are called in

00:51:31.760 to clean up the mess that is there in these communities. It's not their fault the mess is

00:51:37.900 there. The fault has to go back for that particular case. Where's the father? You know,

00:51:42.500 we heard the mother come out and talk about what a wonderful child her son was. And I don't blame

00:51:47.180 mothers for saying that. What mother wouldn't. But we didn't hear anything from the father.

00:51:51.200 You know, and that's another really common thread that we see in all these cases. So,

00:51:55.180 if kids don't have... They're not being raised at home, especially as boys, if they don't have a

00:52:01.540 male role model in the home showing them how to take all that masculine energy and aggression and all

00:52:08.080 that's good stuff for boys to have. But a father has to be there to show you if that's how you

00:52:14.140 channel it. This is how you harness it. We don't want to suppress it. That's what the school system

00:52:17.700 wants to do. But that's also government and media. So you're saying that is government media. That's

00:52:21.460 government policy. That's Lyndon Baines Johnson. That's the right society act.

00:52:24.420 They're left susceptible. Right. And then that's the media perpetuating an idea that we should look

00:52:29.100 towards women who have men cheating on them, have multiple baby daddies, are now being called,

00:52:33.660 you know, these are the women that you should be hailing as heroes because they're feminists.

00:52:37.060 So it's also convoluted now. You can't even just say, you know, the idea that, you know,

00:52:43.220 74 percent, I think it's 74 percent. I think it's actually 78 percent. 74 percent of black

00:52:47.360 children are growing up without a father in a home. That only happened because of government

00:52:50.520 and media. Right. It's a joint effort. And it is largely, you know, our governing class that is

00:52:55.200 pushing this stuff because none of them abide by these rules. They all grew up in two-family homes.

00:52:59.820 Kamala Harris grew up in a two-parent family. Joe Biden grew up in a two-parent

00:53:03.600 family. Right. Like they all they all abide by it. This is Charles Murray's point in in

00:53:08.160 coming apart. Right. Where he talks only about the white community. He said that all the people

00:53:11.560 who are in sort of the elite ruling class abide by all the traditional rules of success. And then

00:53:15.400 they preach to everybody else about how none of those traditional rules for success apply.

00:53:18.460 But I mean, I'm looking at the screen right now and I'm seeing that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are

00:53:22.320 going to deliver an address on the Chauvin verdict. How in the it's an individual criminal justice case.

00:53:29.180 How in the world is the White House holding speeches on the basis of that as though this is

00:53:33.200 indicative in any way, either way that it would have gone on on everybody in America, on the state

00:53:38.720 of America more broadly. It's an individual case with individual circumstances in which, frankly,

00:53:43.580 I think the jury did not look at the facts, particularly in the murder charges. And they're

00:53:47.440 giving addresses from the White House about all of this because it is indeed about power. The left

00:53:51.280 always says that that everything is about power. But for the left, the reason they say that is

00:53:54.840 because it is about power. It is always about power. Remember the Kermit Gosnell case,

00:53:59.160 the Kermit Gosnell case, which was actually a case that should have had national implications

00:54:03.500 because you had the local crime story. Yeah, the most prolific mass murder in history

00:54:07.280 was Kermit Gosnell. And the media ignored it completely. And the reason they gave was it's a local

00:54:12.400 crime story. That actually was not a local crime story because of because of how it implicated

00:54:16.500 government and all these other things. This really is a local crime. No, but I don't think

00:54:20.280 that's fair, Matt. I think it actually makes perfect sense that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden,

00:54:25.380 for that matter, are going to address this case because they played a very active role in the

00:54:29.480 case. Kamala Harris bailed the rioters, the George Floyd rioters out of prison. Joe Biden put his

00:54:34.800 finger on the scales of justice. I mean, there is, first of all, no way to suggest that the jury

00:54:41.900 somehow was not aware of this. There's something that's going on that I've been thinking a lot

00:54:46.560 about. And I have a book coming out in a couple of months where I really go into this in depth.

00:54:50.420 Why is all of this happening now? Why? I mean, we were at the apex of race relations in this

00:54:54.900 country circa about 2008, 2009. You can look at the polls, right? The polls, most Americans of all

00:55:00.420 races were very optimistic about the future of race relations in the country. And then Barack

00:55:05.380 Obama gets elected and then things start to reverse. And they start to reverse, I think,

00:55:09.160 in large measure because Barack Obama created and he participated in an active political genius.

00:55:16.180 It was political alchemy, but it also happened to kind of wreck the country. And that was that

00:55:20.780 before, if you look at, this is not the first time we've dealt with critical race theory and

00:55:24.060 anti-racist theory and all this. This stuff came up in the 60s and 70s, right? And by 68,

00:55:29.580 Stokely Carmichael was talking about institutional racism. By the 70s, Richard Delgado was talking

00:55:33.440 about critical race theory. So all of these theories were quite prominent in the late 60s,

00:55:37.720 70s. By the 1980s, they were basically dead, right? No one was talking about them because

00:55:41.240 they'd been tried and they completely failed. They destroyed the country and the country repudiated

00:55:45.080 them with Reagan. And then they were further repudiated by Bill Clinton, right? You remember

00:55:48.340 that it was Joe Biden who was pushing the crime bill in 1994.

00:55:50.500 It was Bill Clinton who was having a sister soldier moment in 1992, rejecting a lot of this

00:55:55.240 stuff, right? So what happened is that the governing class among Democrats, they were making the

00:55:59.140 argument, we can cure all of your problems with the government. And a lot of the people who are

00:56:02.020 critical race theorists were saying, yes, but the government is the problem. So there's a

00:56:05.300 fundamental conflict there, right? The governing class, which is the Democrats, are saying we can

00:56:08.220 fix your problems. The critical race theorists are saying, yes, but all the systems are racist.

00:56:11.400 You can't fix our problems. Barack Obama enters office. And what he basically says is,

00:56:15.620 I am in my person, the revolution from the inside, right? I am. Yes. The system is the

00:56:21.220 problem. And the system is, I'm not going to solve it via the system. I am the system. If

00:56:26.900 you attack my policies, you are attacking me on the basis of race. And not only that,

00:56:30.280 I'm going to activate a new racially based coalition that is going to be the new minority

00:56:34.120 majority in the United States. I mean, they've, they've openly talked about this. This is not

00:56:37.100 a conspiracy theory in any way. Barack Obama and the democratic party openly talked about how

00:56:40.800 there was an ascendant coalition of the, of, of the disaffected in the United States that was

00:56:45.580 eventually going to take complete control of American politics. And the, there are articles

00:56:49.840 in the Atlantic about this. Ronald Brownstein wrote a lot about this. Uh, and this was the idea of the

00:56:53.360 future. This is why they're so angry when Trump won in 2016, because they thought they were going

00:56:56.220 to win from here on out, right? They had a permanent coalition of people who are willing to overthrow the

00:57:00.420 system by using the system. And that's what you're seeing right now. You're seeing people who are using

00:57:04.440 an ideology that is fundamentally incompatible with the systems of the United States.

00:57:09.160 That's, that's true. And they are using that ideology in government in order to maximize the

00:57:13.500 power of government and rewrite the nature of government. That is it. Maximizing the power of

00:57:17.380 government. That's what I see. And I see all of the traces. And speaking of where this idea came

00:57:20.760 of systemic racism, institutional racism, it's a Marxist ideology. It actually came to black America

00:57:25.380 in the 90, in the mid 1960s when black America started changing their names and saying,

00:57:29.300 I'm going to take my slave name. And all of these things came from literal Marxist ideology came.

00:57:34.880 It was actually Shelby Steele writes about it in his book, white guilt to your credit,

00:57:37.940 talking about this whole idea that racism is actually everywhere. It's actually can never

00:57:41.540 be fixed. It's going to be everywhere. The idea is to just cripple America because it allows,

00:57:46.160 once the, the America becomes so focused on race, obsessed with race, it allows the government,

00:57:51.260 the Kamala Harris and the Joe Biden to do whatever they want. Think about the sweeping reform that

00:57:54.900 they're, that they pass critical race theory, all of these things, which basically guarantees to

00:57:59.140 them that they're going to have kids that are dumber and dumber that are, by the way,

00:58:02.420 getting more degrees than ever before. We actually have the dumbest kids that have ever graduated.

00:58:05.440 I'm not saying that as a joke. Standardized tests reveal these are the dumbest kids that have,

00:58:09.680 that have ever graduated. And yet we are giving out more degrees than we've ever given out.

00:58:13.140 They're not getting smarter. Yeah. Yeah. Dumbest, dumbest, but most educated. So what is the point

00:58:17.440 of handing out these meaningless degrees? Well, because you just want these kids to feel good.

00:58:20.540 They want them to feel like they know so much that they're convinced that they are so woke,

00:58:24.980 you know, the woke topia, they know everything. I have six degrees in Latinx studies,

00:58:29.240 right? I have, I have a degree in Latinx studies. I've got a degree in gender studies. I can't get a job,

00:58:33.820 but that's weird that I can't get a job. So now I'm an angry activist. I'm an angry activist.

00:58:37.680 And the government is going to tell you what you should be angry at. Some idea, some Marxist idea,

00:58:42.460 like cultural, you know, like racism is everywhere, institutional racism. And then they become the

00:58:47.160 perfect permanent government act activists that can go out and write every day because they don't

00:58:51.380 have a goddamn job. But that is the point is that it actually, we say that the gender studies degree,

00:58:56.320 it doesn't matter. It doesn't connote any meaning. It does. It is a real credential that you are now

00:59:01.940 approved by the regime, by the liberal establishment. You are part of this new,

00:59:06.600 you're part of the clergy, you're part of the clergy, you're part of the state church.

00:59:09.720 Well, you speak the vocabulary, right? And, and, and the way that you know, by the way,

00:59:13.180 that people speak the vocabulary is now we actually put it in our Twitter profiles, right? That's

00:59:17.380 what, that's what the pronoun debate is about, right? The pronoun debate is not about a tiny

00:59:20.280 percentage of the population and what pronoun they wish to be called. It's about whether you speak

00:59:24.060 the vocabulary to the extent that you're willing to put your pronouns in your Twitter bio.

00:59:27.720 It's a little fish on the back of your car. It's the, it's, it's the lamb's blood on the

00:59:32.180 door. The angel of cancellation passes over you. I think race, race is just way too useful to

00:59:42.460 whatever one's saying here. I mean, race is, is way too useful a tool and for, for corrupt politicians

00:59:47.500 to forego using. I mean, I, I, I always bring up what I think is one of the, one of the most

00:59:52.220 profound things that's been said about race in recent times was by Morgan Freeman in a 60 minutes

00:59:57.060 interview about 20 years ago. And he was asked, uh, what should we do about racism? And his answer

01:00:02.600 was stop talking about it. Yeah. And that, that is the answer. If you want, if you really want to

01:00:06.160 solve racism to the extent that it can be solved, and it really can't be totally solved, of course,

01:00:09.560 because we can't live in a real utopia, but the extent that it can be solved, just, just,

01:00:13.480 you let people live their lives, especially kids. You let, I can remember anyone who grew up in the

01:00:18.140 nineties. I can remember growing up in the nineties. Uh, it, and you know, you, I had kids,

01:00:22.980 black kids, Hispanic kids, a lot of Asian kids in my class. You didn't really think about it. I mean,

01:00:27.200 you noticed, you noticed that they were, you know, different, uh, skin, skin, skin color from

01:00:32.080 you. You might even make a joke about it. God forbid. Right. You joke. The fact that you could

01:00:36.260 joke about it shows that it wasn't a big deal, but, and you, you went about your life. The adults

01:00:40.920 have to come in and tell the kids, no, no, no, wait a second. This is really significant. The fact

01:00:45.000 that that person looks different from you, that should matter to you a lot. Sesame street is now

01:00:48.900 you're thinking it, right? Sesame street is now teaching kids that you have to think in racial essentialist

01:00:52.620 terms that a deep fact about you is the nature of your race, which is precisely. Why did we think

01:00:57.380 of this before? You know, why didn't we think of this before? You know, such a good idea. It works

01:01:01.620 so well. You see, you see how this played for, if you want to see how the, how the deal with the

01:01:05.820 devil was made by, by the Democrats, I mean, the devil of racism, because the democratic party is

01:01:08.900 the racist party. Their anti-racism is pure racism. It is just racism. It is thinking of him is thinking

01:01:13.720 of people simply in terms of immutable characteristic and then essentializing the immutable characteristic

01:01:17.960 the, which is the definition of racism traditionally until they've decided to rig

01:01:22.520 the definitions. But what, what, what they've decided to do, Bernie Sanders is the perfect

01:01:26.780 example of this. So you remember in 2016, Bernie runs and he gets all sorts of plaudits from

01:01:31.020 the side of the far left wing, but there's one push against him from the left that's really

01:01:35.460 effective. And that is, you know, he keeps saying that if we just go to the socialist utopia and

01:01:39.780 everybody has an equal outcome on an individual level, he's not really seeing the racial complexity

01:01:44.480 of America. Remember he was accused of being racist. Remember that he was too white. The Bernie

01:01:47.960 bros were too white and Bernie socialism was too white. It was not racially conscious enough.

01:01:51.820 And so Bernie consciously started adopting some of the language of race, which cuts directly

01:01:57.220 against the language of traditional Marxism, right? Which is a class-based ideology. Now you

01:02:01.180 have a race-based ideology. Two original sins. Right. And so, and, and theoretically in conflict.

01:02:06.160 So basically I think what has happened here is that the language of racial radicalism,

01:02:10.400 which has more of a basis in American history than the language of class.

01:02:14.240 That was always, we didn't really have a class. Right, exactly. So this is why class warfare in the

01:02:19.200 United States historically has not been tremendously successful. But, but if you go to race, there is

01:02:22.900 an actual terrible history with race in the United States. So if you can take that and you can cram

01:02:26.380 that into all the same socialistic prescriptions you're already giving, right? This is what, and

01:02:30.360 this is what Joe Biden is doing, right? Joe Biden is saying, you know how we solve racism? We solve

01:02:33.920 racism with infrastructure, right? This is how you have Pete Buttigieg, the whitest person who has yet

01:02:38.380 walked the earth, right? Walking around talking about how the way that you solve racism in

01:02:43.420 America is by building new highways under the tutelage of his road building program.

01:02:47.340 No, highways are racist, he said.

01:02:48.240 Right, he said highways are racist.

01:02:49.940 Other, other Anglo-Saxon architecture. Listen, the president of the United States

01:02:54.280 has reached out directly to George Floyd's family. He has said, nothing is going to make

01:03:00.260 it all better, but at least, God, now there is some justice. George Floyd had no family,

01:03:06.460 he had no relationship with his family at the time that he was alive, but I'm glad his family's

01:03:09.800 being reached out. I'm also, you know what's amazing about this? It really is truly amazing.

01:03:14.060 So Don Lemon said immediately, justice has been done. Justice is served. And you know for a damned

01:03:19.680 fact that if any other verdict had come down, we've never said that. You're trending right now,

01:03:24.020 by the way, because you said that. Oh, really? Am I trending for that? Good, I hope I'm trending for that.

01:03:27.860 And this is what they're saying. They're saying, well, Ben, of course, because that would have

01:03:31.880 been the wrong verdict. That would have been unjust. That's how this works. Justice is only

01:03:35.800 when you get your way. I understand. Justice is only when you get your way. I've acknowledged

01:03:39.340 that there might have been a process here whereby a jury could have reached a guilty verdict on the

01:03:43.580 murder charges, but in the absence of, but as Matt was saying earlier, with the amount of outside

01:03:48.980 pressure that was being brought to bear on the jury, it is very difficult to imagine that played no

01:03:53.960 role in the way that they went about the decision. Does anybody really believe,

01:03:57.420 no matter what you think of George Floyd or Derek Chauvin or whoever, does anybody really think

01:04:02.960 that what just happened was justice? No, not a single person. Don Lemon doesn't think it.

01:04:09.020 Nobody thinks it. They think that their interest group, their political interest group exercised

01:04:14.120 their will strongly enough through enough. It's racial. It's racial. Correct. He's missing.

01:04:18.960 He's missing a modifier. When he says justice has been done, he means social and or racial justice

01:04:22.960 has been done. He means the media won. We're so powerful that we created this narrative. It ended

01:04:27.340 up all being false. It was not on his neck. You know what I mean? He was not thrown onto the ground.

01:04:31.160 He asked to be put onto the ground. But we created the narrative and we won. That is what he means

01:04:36.020 when he says justice has been done. It means we won. Well, this is why they also, this is why the media

01:04:40.000 always picks cases and focuses in on cases of controversy, right? You notice that there was never

01:04:45.540 any sort of this talk about, for example, the murder of Walter Scott in South Carolina,

01:04:48.640 right? The black man who was shot in the back by a police officer who then planted a gun near his

01:04:51.720 body. That guy was convicted of first degree murder and he's now spending time in jail. And you know

01:04:55.580 what? No one said a word about it because it was perfectly obvious that it was a case of blatant

01:04:59.920 out and out murder, right? In this case, because there were conflicting fact patterns, because there

01:05:04.940 was a lot of doubt, very reasonable doubt as to the cause of death, because if you take three times

01:05:09.020 the deadly dose of fentanyl and have 75 percent arterial blockage, perhaps that might contribute to your

01:05:13.360 cause of death. How dare you? And if you do all of that and you get very exercised in the process of,

01:05:18.220 you know, being in the car with your drug dealer when the police show up to arrest you and all of

01:05:21.820 this. And by the way, quick note on just the evidence, the prosecution did not offer immunity

01:05:26.500 to a key witness in the case, namely the drug dealer sitting next to George Floyd who'd been

01:05:29.540 dealing him the drugs, which should tell you something about where the prosecution's head

01:05:32.400 was in this particular case. But if you, but the, the basic idea is that the media picks conflicting

01:05:37.280 fact patterns specifically so that if you mention the conflicting fact patterns, they then suggest

01:05:41.620 that you're a racist who's not in favor of justice. This is their goal. They only want

01:05:45.080 controversial cases. They only want the Michael Brown case. That's really, they don't want the

01:05:48.280 Walter Scott case. They don't even want the Ahmaud Arbery case, right? Because the Ahmaud Arbery

01:05:52.080 case, pretty much everybody was like, yeah, even if the guy was walking around trespassing and he

01:05:56.200 wasn't jogging, still, you don't get to stop a guy in the middle of the street and confront him

01:05:59.300 with guns and tell him to stop, right? Like most people, and then when the N-word testimony came out

01:06:03.720 in that particular case, like, okay, sounds like that's a racist problem, right? When everybody agrees,

01:06:08.360 the media has nothing to stump for. The media can't divide us. The media needs to divide so that they can

01:06:12.120 run roughshod over their enemies. Just adding to your point, another example is the, I can't,

01:06:17.400 I think her name was Althea Bernstein. A woman, black woman was shot in her home by a police officer,

01:06:23.300 shot dead. She was actually sitting there playing video games with her nephew or something.

01:06:28.640 And it was, and, but that, even that case, like you think, well, if you're going to select

01:06:34.220 a racial martyr, and there's no evidence at all that this, that that shooting was racially

01:06:38.620 motivated at all. The police, the police officer just did a horrible thing, made a horrible mistake.

01:06:43.420 But if you're going to select a racial martyr, why not her? I mean, if it has to be someone killed

01:06:47.300 by the police, why not her? But right, it has to be, it has to be, there has to be the controversy

01:06:51.240 element to it. You can name half a dozen cases where the, where the fact pattern is relatively

01:06:54.360 uncontroversial and everybody agrees. And that never becomes an issue because they don't want,

01:06:59.520 because they don't want us to agree about these things. They don't want us to actually look at the

01:07:03.000 fact patterns of the case in which we can actually use our brains and recognize that Jacob Blake is not the same

01:07:07.860 as the Walter Scott case. Or we can recognize that this case is significantly more controversial

01:07:12.080 in, in, in its actual fact pattern than that case that happened down in Dallas, where there is the,

01:07:16.740 the man who was in his own apartment building, he's in his own apartment. And the, what you

01:07:20.020 remember the white female cop, she went back to her apartment and she mistook her apartment for his

01:07:23.280 apartment, walked in and shot him. And now she's going to jail. And everybody's like, well, that looks

01:07:26.500 like a horrible mistake and a tragedy. And she should probably go to jail for that. When there's no

01:07:30.260 controversy, they have no way to use it as a leverage point in order to run roughshod over there.

01:07:34.240 So we have a question from one of our daily wire subscribers, and it seems like a strange day to

01:07:39.620 in any way self-promote. But I do think Ben, you made the point earlier, the media cannot be reformed.

01:07:44.180 They must, the establishment media must be raised to the ground and you need to support with your

01:07:50.000 dollars, the replacement media. That's not just us, but it includes us. And here from one of our

01:07:54.540 subscribers who's done just that, do you think that the verdict here gives us a good idea of what

01:07:59.540 the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict will be? Candace? Oh, I mean, yes, I think it does. And that's why

01:08:04.960 that was what was really hinging on this case for me is, is it going to be mob rule? You know,

01:08:09.620 and, and right now it looks like in this country, that's the way it's going up. The media now has

01:08:13.100 the power to decide who is guilty and who is innocent based on their coverage of a case. And

01:08:18.940 that's exactly what happened here. And I think, yes, sadly, yes. Here's Barack Obama cheering the

01:08:24.200 decision, but adds that if we're being honest with ourselves, we know that true justice is about

01:08:29.620 much more than a single verdict. There it is. There is the, the perpetual revolution. You saw

01:08:35.660 some people on MSNBC were parroting almost that exact line. Not that this was injustice because it

01:08:42.400 was the president of the United States putting his thumb on the scales. No, it was injustice because it

01:08:46.880 could never be enough. Well, this is what Jason Johnson said. This is a direct quote from MSNBC,

01:08:50.280 Jason Johnson. I'm not happy. I'm not pleased. I don't have any sense of satisfaction. I don't

01:08:55.200 think this is the system working. This is the justice system trying to say, Hey, this is one bad

01:08:58.580 apple. So, I mean, talk about a non-falsifiable thesis. So if you convict him, all you're trying

01:09:03.840 to do is just throw away the bad apple. But if you don't convict him, it's because America's racist.

01:09:07.220 I mean, this is a pure Kafka trap, right? It was hoping the jury would come down and convict every cop

01:09:11.580 in America of the murder. Well, because by the way, this was not about Derek Chauvin and this was not

01:09:16.940 about George Floyd. And this was not about what happened when a guy's knee was on a neck or the

01:09:20.980 neck area or the back or whatever. This was a referendum on all, on the larger truth about all

01:09:28.220 racial issues in America. That's what it came down to. And that's what the jurors had to, had to rule

01:09:32.440 on. And frankly, if, when they are considering the threats that they would face, when they're

01:09:37.440 considering the threats to their lives, their family's lives, I don't, I don't think they made

01:09:42.300 the right decision. I don't think the evidence was there for the murder charge, but if we were

01:09:47.160 in their shoes, I like to think we'd have the courage to stand up to the mob, but that's a

01:09:50.180 scary thing. I would, I would not have, like, yeah, we were hoping for superhuman courage from

01:09:55.520 this jury because that's what it would require. Superhuman restraint, number one, to, when they're

01:09:59.180 not sequestered, to refrain from watching the news. And then also superhuman courage to say to

01:10:05.160 yourself, I am going to, I am doing this, like you said, for the sake of the Republic,

01:10:08.420 for the sake of justice. And if that means my life is ruined, I'm going to accept that.

01:10:13.040 And the idea that 12 people altogether, even just one person would say that, but 12 people

01:10:17.120 altogether would, would have that kind of courage is, is, is hard to believe. I mean, I, for me,

01:10:21.660 if that, if I were, I think I could say right now, I wouldn't be in that boat because I wouldn't

01:10:26.040 have allowed myself to get on the jury. I would have said whatever I had to say to not be on it

01:10:29.360 because, because, you know, I have to think, well, I got kids at home. I have a wife. Do I want to

01:10:33.900 put them at risk? The way that the fact that we even have to make those considerations

01:10:38.380 demonstrates how perverse the system is at this point. I mean, none of that says anything about

01:10:43.160 the individual circumstances for the person who's actually on trial, right? All the, if the story

01:10:47.400 here is about the jury, or if the story here is about the Congress people outside, or if the story

01:10:51.000 here is about the media, or if the story here is about anything except for the person who is on

01:10:54.060 trial, then it ain't due process, right? It's due process in name only at that point, right? He went

01:10:59.080 through the process and a verdict came down and you respect the fact that he received legal due process

01:11:03.640 and there will be appeals and he will get due process of law that way. But to suggest that the trial

01:11:07.740 was the height of fairness in the midst of an environment where people are literally threatening

01:11:12.720 to burn down the city in which you reside and businesses are boarding up in preparation.

01:11:17.100 Congressmen are threatening to. Congress people are threatening this. And it's not an idle threat.

01:11:20.740 Last year they burned down the city. Right. And so you're in that same city. You're a resident of

01:11:25.180 that same city. And like, I don't know how you would expect this to go any other way.

01:11:32.560 We can talk about appeals. I think we're in such a bad place as a country. I can no longer say that I

01:11:38.800 have faith that a jury, especially this jury, was capable of coming to a just conclusion.

01:11:45.700 We're also at a point in this society where I can no longer say with confidence that Derek Chauvin

01:11:49.960 will ever face trial again. I'm not sure that they will allow this guy to ever face,

01:11:57.800 to ever have the opportunity to have this thrown out. He may be walking into his death. I mean,

01:12:04.440 this guy, the most hated man in America, a guy who, again, ubiquitous that video in the weeks and

01:12:11.900 months following the event, broadly hated, broadly viewed as a murderer by all Americans. I think

01:12:18.240 fair to say when I first saw the video, my own reaction to it was like, yeah, 100 percent,

01:12:23.120 absolutely terrible. Only in the months after when you get more and more information,

01:12:27.220 do you realize, oh yeah, this is why you cannot rush to judgment. You can't even believe your

01:12:31.640 own eyes in these situations. What do you think the Republicans do now? I mean, I will say, I don't

01:12:36.380 think they're going to just let him die in prison. Like, I don't think they're going to put him in

01:12:38.740 with the general population and let him get killed. I'll just put that out there. You don't think so?

01:12:42.080 No, I don't. No, I think they recognize that. I think he has a chance on appeal depending on who

01:12:46.320 his judge is. I will say, by the way, the judge in this case, I mean, the judge made some decisions

01:12:51.120 along the way in this case that I find very questionable. I mean, if the appellate court is serious,

01:12:56.800 who the hell knows? Number one, change of venue was obviously called for. Like, this is the most

01:13:02.320 obvious change of venue case ever. Like, literally ever. And then beyond that. Where do you put it?

01:13:07.340 You put it in a place. Literally, take a pin and throw it in a map. It would at least be marginally

01:13:13.640 better. Right. Exactly. Exactly. There was that. The entire first week of testimony is not probative

01:13:18.780 in any way. The rule number one in evidence 101 is that evidence that is presented in court has to

01:13:23.960 have some value as to the truth or falsity of the proposition at issue. Right. It has to it has to

01:13:28.300 be probative in some way. Is it proving the case against Chauvin or is it not proving the case

01:13:32.120 against Chauvin? The entire first week of testimony was witnesses to the event talking about how they

01:13:36.660 couldn't sleep, how upset they were, how difficult this was. I mean, that is textbook prejudicial

01:13:40.580 testimony. That is textbook stuff. A normal judge would have said, I'm sorry, this has nothing.

01:13:45.080 It's irrelevant. It's prejudicial. You can't you can't allow that sort of stuff. A judge would have

01:13:49.020 thrown out the third degree murder charge, which, again, didn't apply. They convicted him on third

01:13:52.060 degree murder, which patently by the text of the statute does not apply. Like it really like it

01:13:57.020 was it was so controversial that originally it was thrown out, right? Originally it was thrown out

01:14:00.000 and appellate courts had put it back. And then he had the ability to not put it back. And he's like,

01:14:03.080 OK, fine, I'll go along with the appellate court. This judge, I think, routinely took the path of

01:14:08.060 least resistance here, which is why when he was asked about the Maxine Waters thing, he didn't say,

01:14:11.400 OK, mistrial, because then he would have taken the flack. And so he said, there might be a solid case for

01:14:15.240 mistrial for the appellate judge. You know what? It was a show trial. This reminded me of Bush,

01:14:20.660 actually. George W. Bush did this with McCain-Feingold, where he said, look, this might

01:14:25.120 not be constitutional, but I'll let the court settle that. And he signed the law. He's supposed

01:14:29.820 to defend the Constitution, too. But he said, I don't want to take the flack. So I'll let the

01:14:33.600 courts do it. That to me is what this judge did. He said, you know, an appeals court might think this

01:14:39.000 is due for a mistrial. But, you know, for me, there's no way they heard what this congressman said.

01:14:44.460 One of the most famous politicians in America. There's no way they're going to hear what the

01:14:47.600 president says tomorrow. Let the appeals court deal with it. Kicking the can down there. It's

01:14:52.100 such a dereliction of duty. But no appellate judge is going to know somewhere along the line. We're

01:14:57.540 also facing a crisis of cowardice. There's very little courage in this country. There's very

01:15:02.460 little courage, especially on our institutions. And you just you need some people with some courage

01:15:07.080 who are willing to do the right thing simply because it's the right thing, even if you stand

01:15:11.300 to gain nothing from it. And we just we don't have leaders like that. We need a national day of

01:15:16.260 now. But this is what I want to know. I want to know what the Republicans do now. Where do they

01:15:21.140 stand? Does anybody stand up and say, you know, whether this guy was guilty or not, this has been

01:15:25.980 an absolute abuse by our governing classes. Does anybody on the right have the there might be

01:15:31.480 like three guys on the right, you know, Republicans that might have the courage to do that. Because

01:15:34.840 you know, I love Ted Cruz, but I had him on the show and he he cannot say that Black Lives Matter

01:15:40.920 is is a criminal terrorist organization. He can't get the words out of his mouth. This is Black Lives

01:15:46.580 Matter. Because they're scared. What's that? That's what they have successfully bullied white

01:15:51.020 people into being fearful of telling the truth about black people, even if it's the truth.

01:15:54.700 Just don't say it. You can't say it. You can't criticize a black person. That was the point of the Black

01:15:58.860 Lives Matter movement. You no longer are allowed to criticize a black person, even when they are

01:16:03.180 deserving of criticism in this country. Otherwise, you are accused of being a racist. That's simple.

01:16:09.640 The name Black Lives Matter is the probably the most brilliant brand. It's a great nation ever in

01:16:14.000 history, or at least in modern American history, because this this is an organization, a group that

01:16:18.880 has their their stated goals, at least for years before they took it down from their website had

01:16:23.300 almost nothing to do with racial issues. It was a lot of LGBT stuff. Trans agenda. Trans destroy,

01:16:28.520 you know, the heteronormative thinking and the nuclear family. And they just tack Black Lives Matter on

01:16:33.780 there. And even Republicans, even now, it almost amazes me that even the Republicans, even at this point,

01:16:38.860 are still afraid to simply say, well, what Democrats understand that Republicans really

01:16:42.600 don't is the power of semantic overload. So semantic overload is where you take a term

01:16:45.920 that is that can is capable of being defined in several different ways. And then you throw it out

01:16:50.980 there. And then if somebody attacks how you're using it, you say, no, no, no. The definition I

01:16:55.540 meant is the one that's completely uncontroversial. It's a Black Lives Matter is the best example of

01:16:58.980 this, because Black Lives Matter actually means three distinct things. Right. It means the actual

01:17:03.100 concept, which is that black people's lives matter, which is perfectly inarguable. Right. Then it means the

01:17:07.400 actual group Black Lives Matter, which is a garbage organization. And then it means the

01:17:10.480 idea that America is systemically racist and all of your neighbors believe that black lives don't

01:17:13.880 matter. Yeah. Right. So two of the three definitions are really bad. And so when you attack either of

01:17:17.580 those, when you say like Black Lives Matter is a bad group, they go, well, are you saying that black

01:17:20.920 lives don't matter? Right. This is this is always the game. They're doing the same thing for the for

01:17:25.040 the for the people act or the equality act. They do this. They do this crap all the time. It's Joe

01:17:29.480 Biden this week declaring that illegal aliens are no longer illegal aliens. Now they're just

01:17:32.980 noncitizens. Right. If we just if we just change the terminology, then magically all the problems

01:17:38.080 go away. All the kids who are pooping in bags on the border right now are perfect. They're so much

01:17:41.440 happier now that they're being called noncitizens as opposed to illegal aliens while being kept in

01:17:45.240 their cages. But the point is not for those kids, obviously, just like the point of Black Lives Matter

01:17:48.760 is really not to save black lives, because when you remove cops from high crime areas, more black

01:17:52.880 people die. When you remove cops from white areas where there's high crime, more white people die.

01:17:57.020 When you remove cops, more criminals do what they want to do. The point is not that the point

01:18:01.020 is to use language as a club to wield against your political enemies. The left is phenomenal

01:18:05.420 at this. And the white has and the right has has no real facility with with parsing this stuff

01:18:11.580 and debunking this stuff. Instead, they fall into the trap of either not being specific enough in

01:18:15.900 their language and condemning what it is they're condemning and thus being hit with the hit with

01:18:20.160 the comeback. Someone should write a book about that. I was thinking about that. I might, you know,

01:18:23.620 I would would pain me to plug my book. But this is the topic of my book. Speechless,

01:18:27.400 controlling words, controlling minds that the left uses language to if you redefine all the terms,

01:18:31.960 you can redefine reality. This is we've we've only noticed this really since the late 80s.

01:18:37.420 I think that's when people got focused on PC and they saw this political correctness is kind of

01:18:41.720 weird. It had been building, of course, for many decades before that. The people who are behind it

01:18:46.780 were explicit about it. This is going back to the 1920s. By the way, really brilliant theorists,

01:18:51.720 really brilliant leftist thinkers who had very evil intentions. But I actually think they

01:18:56.740 understand free speech very well. I think they understand censorship very well. I think they

01:19:00.380 understand politics very well and have been very successful at it. So they do that sort of thing.

01:19:05.560 And they convince the right basically to either go along with their plans and use all their terms

01:19:11.580 or to kind of throw our hands up and say, oh, we I don't please don't please don't make me engage

01:19:16.120 in this. And it gets to what we were talking about earlier. Courage is a virtue. I know we're told now

01:19:22.420 it's toxic and masculine or whatever. Courage is a virtue. Courage is the prerequisite for all of the

01:19:28.020 other virtues. If you don't have courage, doesn't matter what ideas maybe you kind of have in your

01:19:34.280 mind. If you're not willing to actually affect them in the politics, then that in a buck fifty

01:19:38.780 will get you a cup of coffee. Every every virtue. Courage is every virtue at its testing point,

01:19:42.460 I think, with C.S. Lewis's phrase. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I think the terrible thing now is

01:19:46.320 they've put us in a position. You used to be able to say to people, you know, keep your head down.

01:19:50.100 Don't don't get the good grades and all this stuff. You can't. Every moment, every moment

01:19:54.280 requires ordinary people to be heroes now, because if you can't go into your boss and say, you know,

01:19:59.200 I'm not going to listen to you. Tell me they're a white person. I'm bad because I'm a white person.

01:20:02.560 If you can't say to your professor, you know, what you're saying actually isn't true.

01:20:06.080 They'll just keep on and they will they'll spread. I mean, they move. They move the bar

01:20:09.780 really, really quickly. They move. They kept moving the goalposts. They went from they went from

01:20:14.360 be polite. Right. Just be polite. Just be nice. Yeah. So don't get too confrontational. Just be polite.

01:20:19.340 They move from that to speech to speech is violence. And then they move from speech is

01:20:23.920 violence to silence is violence. Right. So silence is violence. The only thing that's not violence is

01:20:28.260 left is violence. Right. And violence isn't violence. Right. Burning down a store is not

01:20:31.320 violence from Nicole Hannah-Jones. It's totally not violence. It's mostly peaceful. No. Silence

01:20:34.560 is violence. You doing nothing is violence. Yeah. Home Depot refusing to comment on Georgia's

01:20:38.680 voter law is a form of violence. And now we need to launch a boycott against Home Depot for the

01:20:42.340 great crime of not speaking about Georgia's voter law. Right. And so we're quickly reaching the point

01:20:48.200 in some ways, frankly, I like there's a there's a part of me that feels like it's kind of good for

01:20:53.360 the country that the left is forcing it to this point, because if people are forced to the point

01:20:57.080 where they either have to surrender or have courage and there's no third choice, then people are going

01:21:02.560 to be forced to choose whether to surrender or have courage. Yeah. Because until now, there has been

01:21:05.940 the possibility of you just, as you say, keep your head down, try to live your life, go about your

01:21:10.520 business. But the left isn't going to leave it at that. They're just not going to leave it at that.

01:21:13.640 What's the consequence? I mean, the problem is, what is the consequence to your life in a practical

01:21:18.620 sense? If you simply surrender and say, fine, whatever, I'll go along with whatever you're

01:21:22.820 saying. I think for a lot of people, they figure, well, it doesn't really affect my life much.

01:21:26.800 I've given up my my soul. I've given up my dignity. I've given up my integrity, but I can give up all

01:21:32.700 those. That's the great thing about living in modern society. You can give up all of that. And yeah,

01:21:36.300 and you can live you can live a pretty comfortable life. So I think, yeah, it's good that the testing

01:21:40.860 point comes. But at the same time, I think most people are going to say, well, I'll just surrender.

01:21:43.860 But Theodore Dalrymple makes the point that in the Soviet Union, once you grasp the lie,

01:21:49.200 once you agree that you can tell that lie, they've got you. You're emasculated. You're done. Because

01:21:54.520 what follows is the next lie, and the next lie is a little easier, and the lie after that is a little

01:21:59.340 easier. And finally, they're telling you what to think, what to say, what to do. You're gone.

01:22:03.480 And I think that lying, I know it sounds dumb, but lying is the first sin. Once you start to tell

01:22:11.500 that lie, to agree with the lie, that's when your soul disappears. So I want to listen in on the

01:22:15.860 president of the United States. Speaking of lying. Speaking of lying. Speaking of lying. Speaking

01:22:19.100 to the family of George Floyd.

01:22:25.120 I'm feeling better now. Nothing is going to make it all better, but at least God, now there's some

01:22:42.980 justice. And I think, I think if John is coming, my dad is going to change the world. He's going to

01:22:50.560 start to change it now. That's right. Yes. Amen.

01:22:54.480 He's going to change it now. You've been incredible. You're an incredible thing. I wish I were there

01:23:02.460 just before I was around here. I'm standing here. We've been talking. We've been watching every

01:23:08.120 second of this and the vice president, all of us. And, uh, um, just, I, we're all so relieved

01:23:15.700 not to be one or three, all three counts. Wow. The president's celebrating, uh, guilty on all

01:23:25.800 three counts, even celebrating, uh, the third degree murder charge, which. And he's, he's relieved.

01:23:31.260 He's relieved. I'll bet he's relieved. What you just heard there, by the way, is more tasteless,

01:23:36.460 outrageous, offensive, beneath the dignity of the office, et cetera, et cetera, than anything

01:23:41.780 Trump ever said. Yep. But you just, what you just heard just in that, in that audio right

01:23:45.420 there, um, is, uh, but of course, you know, we were, we were worried about the tweets from

01:23:49.280 Trump. Many of them I didn't like either, but what you take just Joe Biden's behavior in

01:23:54.060 the last two days with respect to this trial, far worse. I think Senator Joe Biden, who was

01:23:59.720 just so against black Americans and criminality, Senator Joe Biden, the author of the three

01:24:03.460 strikes bill. It's nice that he's relieved now as the president, you know,

01:24:06.340 I mean, it's just incredible. Vice president Joe Biden, more black men locked up under,

01:24:11.480 under that presidency. I mean, you really have to appreciate how Joe Biden has managed

01:24:16.260 to transform himself as a hero and a concerned individual when it comes to black people.

01:24:21.320 You know how he figured he licked his index finger. He put it up in the air in the morning

01:24:25.500 and he figured out which way the wind was blowing. Well, I mean, it's just weekend at Bernie's

01:24:28.840 with him. I mean, they're just, they're rolling him around on a gurney and basically as long

01:24:31.820 as they can prop him up upright for long enough, then he can be whatever they want him to be.

01:24:35.300 You know, the racial justice warrior, he can be, you know, a hard, hard on rioters,

01:24:39.820 hard on looters guy, whatever he, whatever he has to be that day, because obviously inanimate

01:24:43.760 objects can be whatever you want them to be. At least you can say he's been consistent on

01:24:46.440 the point that he was against the desegregation efforts. And you can almost argue now that he

01:24:52.280 is once again for segregation in America. So I like him on his consistency. Also, you know,

01:24:59.400 he says to George Floyd, they're, they're incredible, great family. He did the same thing

01:25:03.180 with Jacob Blake. He went and said, great, great, great, wonderful family. You know,

01:25:07.240 I, I'm not so sure about that. I mean, if you've got, this is a family member with Jacob Blake

01:25:12.060 breaking into a woman's home, raping her, allegedly George Floyd, the horrible things he did. I,

01:25:17.200 you know, I, I, I don't, the, the celebration of the men is a problem. Um, the statement that

01:25:23.500 their families are wonderful. Maybe they are, but there, there's a lack of evidence there too,

01:25:27.580 in my mind. Well, what is amazing is the double standard. Meaning like if you say, okay, well,

01:25:32.120 you know, I can see theoretically how a jury could reach this verdict, but I think they probably reached

01:25:36.240 the wrong verdict. It's how dare you, how dare you justice was done. Well, if the jury had reached

01:25:41.140 the opposite verdict, obviously, which then, then it would have been, no, no, I disagree with this

01:25:45.860 verdict. Justice has not been done. Okay. Well, that's not the way any of this works out, but this

01:25:50.000 is, this was obviously true before the verdict came down. This was, you know, if you were on Twitter

01:25:54.420 that people were just screaming, how could you possibly, how could you possibly want any other

01:25:59.380 verdict? I mean, this is the way the media were covering it. They were, they were covering every

01:26:02.420 single day as though the prosecution was nailing down. They covered, they covered the trial like

01:26:06.100 that. Right. And they were, and the defense had nothing, nothing going for it. I mean, one of the,

01:26:10.400 one of the prosecution witnesses was a doctor who literally claimed that he could perform medical

01:26:14.680 alchemy. He could, he could sit there and he could watch a tape of a person dying and determine

01:26:18.340 cause of death by watching a third party video of a person's breath and measuring their oxygen

01:26:23.780 intake by watching how they breathe. I mean, I've never heard of anything remotely like that.

01:26:28.040 It's an incredible feat of medical leisure domain to be able to do that. I mean, I asked my wife if,

01:26:33.360 if she'd ever heard of anything like that because she is in fact a doctor and she was like, uh, I mean,

01:26:37.820 maybe, but I've never heard anything remotely like that. I'd never seen anything like that. I asked

01:26:42.260 one of the trial watchers if they'd ever seen anything like that on the stand, because what this

01:26:45.400 person argued is you could just see, you could see when, when he died, you could see everything

01:26:49.520 happening in real time. You could see that. And you could see based on that, that it was not a drug overdose

01:26:53.460 and not a heart problem. That's an incredible skillset. Yeah. I mean, unbelievable. He never

01:26:57.660 had access to the body. He never did the medical autopsy. The autopsy guy said precisely the

01:27:01.200 opposite. The medical examiner said precisely the opposite, but you had a guy who watched at Haven.

01:27:04.500 So, but, but the media treated this guy's testimony was bulletproof. It, again, they were,

01:27:10.060 they were aiming for a verdict. They got the verdict. So to, to them, I suppose, congratulations

01:27:14.520 is in order. No, no, no. You can't congratulate them because as, uh, AOC says, this is not justice

01:27:21.280 because justice is George Floyd going home tonight to be with his family. That would be kind of

01:27:26.060 messy. That would, he didn't have any family that was in his life, but I guess, yeah, sure. Justice

01:27:30.280 would. So, but that does say something, right? They literally want the impossible, right? They

01:27:34.580 want, they want the impossible. Justice is when the impossible becomes the possible. Yeah. Isn't

01:27:39.120 that, isn't that a brilliant dream? It's just a, it's such a beautiful dream. When the impossible

01:27:42.480 becomes the possible, then justice will have been done, which means revolution until the end of time,

01:27:46.640 obviously. Yeah, that's right. Says, uh, mayor Jacob Frye, George Floyd came to Minneapolis to

01:27:52.040 better his life, but ultimately his life will have bettered our city. The jury joined in a shared

01:27:56.900 conviction that has animated Minneapolis for the last 11 months, for the last 11 months. They refused

01:28:02.840 to look away and affirmed he should still be here today. I have a question. How does fentanyl better

01:28:07.600 your life? Quick, anybody. Passing counterfeit bills. How's that better your life? How does it better

01:28:11.600 your life? Forget that part. How has he bettered the city of Minneapolis? Yeah. The rate of murder

01:28:18.560 in Minneapolis is up 30% over the course of the last year. He didn't better any of those people's

01:28:21.920 lives. Those people are dead. They're just as dead as one is. Plus he's in rubble. Half the city's in

01:28:25.600 rubble. It's just, I mean, it's actually disgusting. Like I just, I can't, cannot just, it bothers me so

01:28:31.840 much. It's just disgusting. They're making, making the world better one destroyed police force and

01:28:38.160 increased murder rate at a time. We're choosing to live in fiction. This is, this is just fiction,

01:28:42.080 right? We're now living in fiction. I asked on my show, like, can you name a thing that's gotten

01:28:45.040 better in the United States on the racial front since BLM? Just one. I'm not asking for like 10,

01:28:49.400 like one would be great, but it doesn't exist. Critical race theory, they'd say, right? Yeah.

01:28:54.940 And more, more white people are aware of their, of their issues. I think that, um,

01:29:01.880 you just made a point, Ben. I think it's an important one, which is that, uh, uh, the left

01:29:07.740 is creating what the preferred outcome can be. And that's the only outcome they'll allow.

01:29:11.640 And they only serve facts that support that outcome. You've seen it all throughout COVID too,

01:29:16.460 right? There's a reason that people who are fully vaccinated still wear masks outside in the sun

01:29:22.920 alone. And it's because when you use the entire power, the entire apparatus of all of our institutions,

01:29:29.140 of the government, of the media to promulgate a lie, it is almost there. It is almost impossible not

01:29:36.600 to believe it. And that's what we're seeing. And Candace, you know, no one is being given this lie

01:29:43.100 more than black Americans. They're lied to 100% of the time. What do we do about it?

01:29:48.540 Unfortunately, it's going to have to be, like you said earlier, it's going to have to be individual

01:29:51.600 decisions. You know, you, you have the discussions. It's going to take courage, you know, to your,

01:29:55.520 to your credit. People have to just start telling the truth, you know, have to start acknowledging

01:29:58.840 that this is degeneracy, right? To stop pretending that we're not honoring degeneracy. That is,

01:30:03.040 that is the new, that is the new threshold to become celebrated as a black American in this

01:30:07.380 country. You have to be degenerate. That's the truth. If you're degenerate, you could be honored.

01:30:10.320 If you're not degenerate and you start and you, and you call up the truth and you do things that are

01:30:13.580 honorable, it's, it's the exact opposite. I can't think of a black person that is celebrated in black

01:30:18.560 America that does not partake in some form of like, it does not back degenerate causes. You know

01:30:23.360 what I'm saying? Like even LeBron James, incredible athlete. He should be honored for his

01:30:26.800 athletic ability. All of these things he, he gets and he says, black people can't even walk down the

01:30:30.860 street. You know, can't even walk down the street. We can't even walk down the street without having

01:30:34.640 to face white people, hunted. We're being hunted down by white people. He lives in a $100 million

01:30:40.820 mansion in Bel Air. If that is what he is saying as someone that has made it in this country and can

01:30:45.880 afford to live in a $100 million mansion in Bel Air constructed for him. What about, what are the

01:30:51.580 rest of black Americans going to think when that message is being sent down the pipeline? The only way

01:30:55.500 it's ever going to be fixed is if there is a radical shift, not radical, I should say actually

01:31:00.920 the exact opposite. If there is a major shift in the education institutions, that's my personal

01:31:06.820 opinion. Do you see the brilliance of it? Because six hours a day, they have your kid. Do you get

01:31:11.220 what I'm, six hours a day, it doesn't matter what, you could be the best parent in the entire world.

01:31:15.360 Do you know how hard it is to, to fight against six hours a day of programming that is happening

01:31:20.460 while you're at work? But this is the brilliance of it, right? That the, the solution actually

01:31:24.600 perpetuates the problem. So with the, with the masks, everyone's wearing the masks there. Half

01:31:28.560 the, half of the country has vaccines, but we still have to triple and quadruple mask. Don't we?

01:31:32.340 We were told the reason for the masks is it will reduce anxiety that we will all feel so much better.

01:31:38.760 We'll get back to normal. What happened? Exactly the opposite. BLM. We were told if we all endorse

01:31:43.460 BLM, we all support BLM that will improve race relations in the country. We're taking the problem

01:31:48.520 seriously. Has it done that? No, of course it's just exacerbated that problem. The, the,

01:31:53.140 what we are being told is the solution is the problem here, folks. And you, the same could be

01:31:58.520 said of education. We're told, we just need more education. The more education students seem to get,

01:32:02.860 the more they hate their country and the less they know. There was a study came out from ISI.

01:32:07.060 This was now a while ago. It was about 14 years ago. Can you imagine how bad it is now?

01:32:10.380 It was of elite universities, the graduating seniors, incoming freshmen. It was just a survey of

01:32:15.560 civics, history, and government knowledge. The graduating seniors knew less than the incoming

01:32:21.620 freshmen. They got more ignorant as they went. Right. No. And that's true. That, that is the

01:32:26.140 real pandemic in America. It's ignorance. Like that, that is that, that is the true pandemic.

01:32:30.180 It's ignorance. It's, it's ignorance. And then coupled with the fact that the people that are

01:32:33.520 not ignorant are cowards. Yeah. Right. And the, the, the fact that children have not been allowed

01:32:38.320 to go back to schools, which I think affects probably minority and poor children worse than anything

01:32:42.500 is such a sin and such a crime. It's part of this ultimate failure, this incredible, uh, policy failure.

01:32:48.440 The New York Times ran a piece saying to discuss the fact that these children will never catch

01:32:55.480 up is to stigmatize them. And I thought, no, it's to stigmatize you. You did this, you know,

01:33:00.760 they, and they, they're like, our elites own no mirrors. They, we have elites without mirrors.

01:33:06.200 They never look at themselves and say, oh, I made it.

01:33:08.460 The NEA, they're making the world better. Minneapolis, Minneapolis got so much better since

01:33:12.560 it's gotten so much better. It got better this week. Minneapolis public schools let out the

01:33:16.460 rest of the week. This is an updated form of slavery. Like this, this is an updated form

01:33:20.440 of slavery. And this is the argument that I made in my first book that, you know, you,

01:33:23.500 I wasn't being funny when I called it a Democrat plantation. I wasn't trying to be, you know,

01:33:27.320 controversial when I called it a plantation. When you examine what the Democrats did under,

01:33:31.580 under, you know, slavery, when it existed in America and people were being chained, there

01:33:36.040 was a reason why the slave codes did not allow black Americans to learn to read, right? The

01:33:40.580 whole concept of education is that true education, real education is that it frees your mind. So

01:33:45.520 they're now realizing you, you have to keep this population ignorant. If we want to enslave

01:33:50.460 them, we have to keep them completely ignorant. If you want them not to be able to read, you

01:33:53.560 have to send them to the public school. Right. And that's, yeah, literally, that's exactly

01:33:56.980 right. You want them to never learn how to read. It's never learned any hard academics,

01:34:00.120 right? These kids are not coming out. They can't do math. They don't, they're nothing about

01:34:03.280 the sciences, right? But they can tell you about white privilege, right? They can tell you

01:34:07.720 about how many genders, they're getting degrees in something that you should learn first grade,

01:34:11.060 two genders. That's it, right? It's something kindergarten, bathroom for a girl, bathroom

01:34:16.000 for a boy. They're, they're, they're polluting all of this because the goal is to turn these

01:34:21.120 people into slaves and they're doing it successfully, by the way, they're already turned them into

01:34:24.060 economic slaves. They always say to us, whenever, whenever Republicans say, gee, Democrats were

01:34:28.540 the slavers. Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan. Democrats started Jim Crow. They always say,

01:34:33.640 yes, but then everything changed and now it's conservatives. But really now Democrats have brought

01:34:37.060 back segregation. They've stopped education. They've, there are more, more fatherless children

01:34:42.780 among the black community than there were when Democrats were actually selling their fathers

01:34:46.840 down the river. It's worse now. Their policies are worse now. That's also the awkwardness though,

01:34:51.560 when we talk about the fact that schools are closed and they're not opening it and we, and we,

01:34:56.000 and we object to that. And that's also been a balance in a balancing act I've been trying to

01:34:59.940 figure out because I don't like how they've shut down the schools. And I don't like the school. I also

01:35:05.120 hate the schools and I want the, I want the whole school system to be destroyed. So, um, but, but I,

01:35:09.240 I guess the, the point is that we as a society need to move away from the government school system.

01:35:14.000 In my opinion, you just, you can't do it all at once at one time and, uh, and, and, and leave these

01:35:19.060 kids. Why not? Imagine if everybody just took the, just imagine this world, everybody just took their

01:35:23.120 child out of school. Well, I mean, I was, I was asked by, I was asked by a couple of, uh, billionaires

01:35:27.860 if they could put their money into any one thing, what would it be? And I said, subsidizing the ability

01:35:32.120 of every child in America to remove themselves from a public school and go to a parochial school.

01:35:37.360 Yeah. If you could do that, you'd radically shift the nature of the country, radically shift the

01:35:40.920 nature of the country. There's a point that occurred to me and it's sort of ancillary, but I think that

01:35:43.640 it's, it's an interesting one. And that, that is that the, the, the, the media have almost tacitly

01:35:49.920 acknowledged that there was a failure of due process and individual justice in this case, because what

01:35:55.700 they've been saying all along is if we had not been out in the streets protesting, it wouldn't have ended

01:35:58.900 this way. That's right. That's what they're saying. They're saying if we had not been out in the

01:36:02.700 streets doing what we did, we are trying, what we did is what made the difference here. Well,

01:36:06.760 if that's the case, that ain't how the system's supposed to work, gang. I mean, that's the, if,

01:36:11.280 if you protesting is what was the deciding factor in the case, you are tacitly admitting the case that

01:36:16.340 a lot of us are making, which is that the jury was not in all likelihood deciding solely on the

01:36:20.780 merits of the case. Fundamentally, every decision made in American public life right now is one of

01:36:25.100 virtue. And the most virtuous thing is to be a victim. And the problem with teaching victimhood

01:36:30.640 is that it is self-fulfilling. Every human being has been mistreated. Every human being has been

01:36:36.520 prejudged. Every human being has been unfairly punished for things that they did not do. Every

01:36:43.540 human being has been punished fairly for what they did, which often feels like an injustice too,

01:36:48.320 when you see that other people aren't being punished for the things that they do. That is life.

01:36:52.620 At the same time, every human being has victimized someone. Every human being has prejudged someone.

01:36:59.420 Every human being has punished someone for something that they didn't do. Every human

01:37:03.180 being has gotten away with something for which they should be punished. That's also humanity.

01:37:07.800 But the victim mentality tells you that if you rank in the victim hierarchy, instead of seeing

01:37:13.160 yourself and your experiences as consistent with the experience of every other human in the fallen

01:37:17.980 world, yours are unique. They're the result of forces that are arrayed against you. So you've been

01:37:26.560 victimized. Therefore, you've been prejudged. Therefore, you've been punished unfairly. Therefore,

01:37:33.040 you've gotten away with something. Therefore, all of that self-reinforces. And this is what the

01:37:38.160 problem fundamentally with the religion of the left is that it is descriptive of the realities of the

01:37:46.020 human experience. What they tell you will happen happens. The only thing they're lying about is the

01:37:52.780 cause. And for that reason, the fact that our entire society today is dedicated to promulgating

01:37:58.940 the lie that everyone except essentially conservatives, essentially men, essentially white conservative

01:38:06.700 men, essentially white Christian conservative men, when it gets narrower and narrower, the group of people

01:38:10.940 who are only exclusively victimizers, who've never experienced any kind of oppression themselves,

01:38:17.100 who've never experienced any kind of hardship themselves, but have only wrought hardships upon

01:38:21.040 others. They've opened up who is a victim to such a degree that people opt into victimhood.

01:38:30.420 Why wouldn't you?

01:38:31.120 They opt into victimhood.

01:38:32.920 Yeah. And they're training people to believe, especially black Americans, that every bad experience

01:38:37.280 that you have is because of racism. Right. And so this is a perfect conversation. My perfect example

01:38:42.120 of that in a conversation my husband had with a friend of his who is he's, you know, he's a liberal,

01:38:46.480 but like he's not a leftist, I wouldn't say. And he wanted to talk to him about, you know, the race

01:38:50.340 issues and kind of some of the things that I've said. And he said, you know, I have to say to you,

01:38:53.920 he's half black, half white. You know, I have I have to say to you, George, you know, that I have had

01:38:58.200 experiences, you know, as a as a black person. And George said, well, you know, give me an example.

01:39:02.740 And he said, you know, has it ever, you know, I was standing outside and somebody just handed

01:39:07.860 me their keys and assumed I was the ballet. And George said, you know, that's happened to me

01:39:11.680 before, too. Yeah. As a white man. Like they don't understand that these things I have been

01:39:16.600 in a store before and saw a white girl and said, oh, could you get me this size? I just thought she

01:39:21.500 worked at the store. I had nothing to do with the race. I just happened to be at a time where for

01:39:25.280 whatever reason, maybe it was the way she was standing, hovering. I thought she worked at the store.

01:39:28.800 But now you have black Americans that are being taught that every time something like that happens

01:39:33.280 to them, it's because you're black. Right. Because you're black. But that person thought

01:39:36.660 you were the best. It's because you're black. That person cut you off at the light. All of these

01:39:39.900 mundane experiences, humane experiences that we that we all go to go through are now being

01:39:45.580 massaged by by the institutions and saying, well, that's exclusively happening because of race.

01:39:51.360 Well, they're being perceived only according to that lens. And it gets I think you're totally right,

01:39:54.920 Jeremy. I think this is all about virtue. And what you are seeing is a perfect

01:39:58.720 inversion of the virtues, the traditional virtues that also known as the actual virtues. You know,

01:40:04.920 the left is faithless, openly faithless, openly fatalistic, deeply uncharitable toward everybody.

01:40:11.260 But even think of humility. I mean, we now celebrate pride. And I'm not just talking about

01:40:15.660 some guys wearing weird costumes on Coney Island. Pride has become a leftist virtue as opposed to the

01:40:21.280 true virtue of humility. Patience is a virtue. But we're now told to be patient is to permit

01:40:28.280 injustice to go. We now need to be reckless and impatient all the time. Temperance, whatever

01:40:32.640 happened to temperance, all of the virtues, you can name any of them. The left is totally

01:40:36.940 inverted. And it is there is an established state church of leftists. I think some of this goes back

01:40:43.140 to you saw some of this with the talk of the bullying epidemic in schools. Yeah. And I used to

01:40:49.640 get in a lot of trouble when I would make this point about the bullying epidemic, which is,

01:40:53.480 first of all, to your point, everyone's a victim and a victimizer. So when you talk about the

01:40:57.540 bullying epidemic, it never made a lot of sense because it makes it sound like there's this group

01:41:01.100 of bullies and they're the epidemic and then there's the bullied kids. Well, no, every kid

01:41:04.280 bullies and every kid has also been bullied. So rather than focusing all of our energy on trying

01:41:09.520 to stop the bad bullies from being so evil, maybe we should teach kids how to cope with these

01:41:14.940 universal human experiences. A lot of that goes down to virtue. Have some courage to stand up for

01:41:20.160 yourself. Have some patience. You know, all these things. But we can't look at it through that lens

01:41:24.420 because, of course, that's victim. Then we call that victim blaming and we're not allowed to do

01:41:27.460 that. There's a point that I was speaking with Jordan Peterson about this recently. And Jordan

01:41:31.280 was we were talking about the fact that Ta-Nehisi Coates had essentially modeled Red Skull in the

01:41:37.080 new Captain America comic on Jordan. I mean, very clearly so. So first of all, put aside the absurdity

01:41:41.820 of Ta-Nehisi Coates, who literally wrote in his memoir about sitting on the top of a department

01:41:46.000 building smoking weed while watching 9-11 and feeling nothing because he had so much hatred

01:41:50.420 for the racial state of the United States, writing the Captain America comic. Put aside

01:41:54.280 the bizarro nature of that.

01:41:55.600 And now he's writing Superman, by the way.

01:41:57.080 Right. Yeah. No, it's phenomenal. The fact that he is doing all that and that Jordan was

01:42:05.160 the target, we were sort of puzzling this over because Jordan isn't explicitly political.

01:42:09.480 Jordan's main message is basically get your bleep together. Right. If you had to sum it up

01:42:12.380 in one sentence, that would be it. Right. Make your own room. Take more responsibility

01:42:16.080 on yourself. Take your own lobsters. Right. Exactly. Like this is his whole shtick. Right.

01:42:21.160 And so we were discussing, like, why is that such a villain? Like, how is that a Red Skull

01:42:25.260 thing? How does that make you into literally Hitler? Right. Red Skull is worse than Hitler.

01:42:29.300 He's a breakaway from Hitler. Right. He's Hitler's Hitler. And what he came to is that there are forces

01:42:34.560 in our society that do see it as evil to actively promulgate the idea that you are in control of your

01:42:40.160 own life. Because if you promulgate the idea that you're in control of your own life, then what you're

01:42:43.880 actually saying is that you're complacent about the systems that are the active powers in your own

01:42:47.960 life. And you are taking away the impetus from the left and from the utopians in remaking those

01:42:52.980 systems. You're saying you should really work on yourself first. You should really do all the

01:42:55.560 things in yourself first and stop worrying so much about the systems. Then later we can work together

01:42:59.160 to try and change those systems. But that's evil. That's you. That's you being a collaborator in

01:43:03.180 systems of evil because you're telling people to focus in on the things that actually bring them

01:43:06.480 success within a system that needs to be torn down. To Michael's point, Ibron Kennedy actually came out

01:43:10.580 and said, salvation theology is evil because once you have a set of values and there are people who

01:43:15.560 don't fulfill those values and they are excluded. You know, like people who, I don't know, hold

01:43:20.120 pregnant women at gunpoint while they ransack their house. You know, they suddenly are looked down upon

01:43:24.240 for some reason. And I think that that actually is when you have values. I mean, look, these are not

01:43:28.840 the first people. These points were being made in the 18th century. They, you know, these are not the

01:43:32.820 first people to say once you have morals, you know, some people are going to be blamed and maybe just

01:43:37.220 getting rid of the morals will solve the problem. We have to say goodbye to Candace. She is off to

01:43:41.900 do a hit on Tucker Carlson. Bye-bye. If you want more wonderful Candace insights, unfortunately,

01:43:47.560 you can't get them here. Head on over to Fox News where Candace will be at the top of the hour with

01:43:54.360 Tucker. Candace, thanks for hanging out with us. Thanks, guys. Good to see you. We're still waiting.

01:43:59.200 Remarks from the president and apparently the vice president. This is another thing about

01:44:02.620 the Joe Biden presidency that's so unique and so strange to me is that he can never just appear as

01:44:08.700 president. It is this co-presidency. So we're awaiting remarks from the president and the vice

01:44:13.120 president. Like you remember, I've never seen anything like it. That's unbelievable. I mean,

01:44:16.460 they're actively transitioning her into the presidency while he's alive. It's an amazing thing.

01:44:21.460 Can you imagine? I mean, put aside Trump and Trump and Pence because that's a relationship all of

01:44:28.300 its own. But can you imagine even Barack Obama doing this with Joe Biden? Well, did you even

01:44:32.980 need to be in a room with Joe Biden for something like this? Are you kidding me? Did you see what

01:44:37.100 happened just over the last couple of days? Joe Biden accidentally, they let him talk to a reporter

01:44:41.400 and even underneath the mask. So you could barely hear it. But you heard he says,

01:44:45.700 what was that? Zoom in. He refers to the border crisis. The White House has assiduously avoided using

01:44:52.940 the term crisis. So a reporter asks Jen Psaki in the briefing room, hey, you know, the big guy's

01:44:58.040 calling it a crisis now. She says, no, it is not the position of the White House that this is a

01:45:02.560 crisis. Wow. And you know what? She's right. Yeah. Because Joe Biden ain't running that White House.

01:45:06.840 By the way, we have the wrong person. Honestly, it's a waste of time to wait for Biden and wait for

01:45:10.800 Harris because we already know what they're going to say. Right. Right. What they're going to say is

01:45:13.980 that justice was done today, but it's only the first step on our road toward great restorative justice

01:45:17.820 and the ills of the country can never be healed by this. This won't bring George Floyd back,

01:45:21.520 but this is a step in the right direction. And now what we need is comprehensive police reform

01:45:24.580 and equity in all of our institutions. Done. It just saved you an hour. Yeah. You did. I would

01:45:29.180 put money. It's a little too clear. You spoke that a little too clearly.

01:45:32.260 You didn't have enough weird cackles in there for the Kamala part or sort of spacey digressions for Joe.

01:45:38.900 So what happens? These guys are taking the fun out of human corruption. I used to find human

01:45:42.240 corruption hilarious. But now it's just too much of it. Well, when they start winning, that's the part where

01:45:46.280 it's from comedy to tragedy. It's like an overdose. Too much of a good thing. The beauty about

01:45:50.940 believing in actual original sin is that in some ways they're always winning.

01:45:55.140 Yes. Like I've been thinking a lot about the collapse of Christian America. And I think,

01:46:00.740 well, Christian America in some ways has it coming. I'm with you. Because Christian America has made

01:46:05.540 an idol of America. You know, Christian America has taken the greatest gift that God has ever given

01:46:11.220 to man, the greatest secular gift that God has ever given to man, I should say, and the greatest

01:46:15.500 accomplishment by man's hand in the history of man. And they've turned that into their golden calf.

01:46:22.300 We've made the best golden calf that has ever been made. And that is true. The one doesn't

01:46:28.320 necessitate the other, except because original sin exists, it will always result in the other.

01:46:34.920 Great line in C.S. Lewis where he says, it's a good time to hit a guy when they're in the screw tape

01:46:41.220 letters, where the demons are trying to corrupt people. It says a good time to corrupt people is

01:46:44.860 in middle age when they become successful because they think they're making their way in the world,

01:46:48.520 but the world is really making its way in them. And I think that that's exactly what happened to

01:46:52.200 the church in America. They had it so easy. They had all the respect. They had all the power you

01:46:55.800 could ask for. They were uplifted and they just thought like, you know.

01:46:59.060 Well, you know, it's funny. In Screwtape, there's another great line that applies here,

01:47:02.340 which is, it says at times of war, you know, look, it's not necessarily a great time to go

01:47:07.240 after a man because they can spur courage and all these sorts of things. But, you know,

01:47:11.020 you can really, maybe the man, he'll become a jingoist. He'll become so insanely nationalistic

01:47:16.100 that you can get him that way, or he'll become a pacifist and he'll hate his country and you can

01:47:20.520 get him that way. But the one thing we can't have is an ordinate love of country. Because love of

01:47:25.220 country, patriotism, is an extension of filial piety. It is perfectly right to love your country,

01:47:30.340 but you're right, you can make an idol out of this sort of thing. And we know what happens when

01:47:36.020 people make idols. If you want to save America, if you want to save America as sort of the unique

01:47:41.140 gift that God has given, you actually have to, and this ties into the entire conversation tonight,

01:47:48.620 you have to remember that you are an individual. You have to remember that you're not America.

01:47:53.040 You don't deserve any credit for World War II. No one's sitting here. We like to say,

01:47:58.660 we put a man on the moon. No one's sitting here, put a man on the moon. We defeated the Nazis.

01:48:02.740 No, we didn't. We defeated the Japanese. No, we didn't. Almost all the people who did are dead.

01:48:08.700 Those individuals showed great courage. Now, it's not wrong of us to have pride in the

01:48:14.960 accomplishments of our fathers. Gratitude, perhaps. Gratitude for the accomplishments of our fathers.

01:48:19.240 It is wrong for us to assume credit for the victories of our fathers. We have not earned those

01:48:26.940 victories. We've not earned that credit. If you want America as we've traditionally understood it,

01:48:32.740 if you want Christianity in this country or religion in this country, as we have historically

01:48:36.920 religious freedom in this country, as we have historically understood it, you have to be as

01:48:41.700 great as all the people who actually earned those things. Their achievements are actually

01:48:45.700 an accusation. They're an actual call to responsibility. The fact that our fathers did that

01:48:50.020 means that we have to at least, at the very least, tell HR that like, you know, no, I'm not going to

01:48:55.680 curse whiteness. That's right. We have to show even the most small modicum of courage. I do want to

01:49:01.080 clarify those. So, you know, we don't get to claim their accomplishments like Washington and

01:49:05.540 Jefferson and all that. Does it make us great if we just like rip down all their statues?

01:49:12.800 Part of the problem for the church is that our threats that we face are all, are mostly

01:49:21.380 spiritual. We don't, we don't have those physical outward threats that, that force you to make that

01:49:27.020 choice. Like even Christians still today face some of the worst persecution in 2000 years of

01:49:32.100 church history and other parts of the world where, you know, there are so many cases you could point

01:49:36.780 to, but, um, there's one case a few years ago in Egypt, like the Christians were, uh, on a, on a bus

01:49:44.340 on the way to a monastery in the desert to pray. And, uh, some, some jihadists stopped them, pull them

01:49:49.660 off the bus and asked each one of them individually, are you a Christian? And if they said yes, they were

01:49:54.140 shot and killed. And that's one of those moments where it's like, this really is the time to choose.

01:49:57.920 Am I going to be a Christian or not? And, um, and we don't really, we don't have situations like that.

01:50:04.480 So we can kind of float our way through the culture without ever facing that, that external threat where

01:50:10.520 we have to, to make that choice. But this is a place where conservatives really need to start

01:50:15.900 doing something that is very counter conservative, which is we really start needing to unify and

01:50:19.580 collectively, um, because there is a certain sort of solidity in numbers. We're very individualistic.

01:50:24.000 We've talked a lot about individualism tonight and the value of seeing ourselves as an individual,

01:50:27.100 as opposed to a member of a, of a tribe of mutable characteristics. But it is, it's very

01:50:33.120 difficult if you're the one employee at your company to get up and say something and then get

01:50:37.620 fired. What we actually need are broad movements of people in the United States to basically be the

01:50:43.220 wobblies. Like, okay, fine. You're going to fire this guy. We're all going to leave. Yeah. Right.

01:50:46.500 It is about creating community, but at the actual level of community, correct. Not online community,

01:50:52.000 not hypothetical community. Right. It's about forming connections. And this is a place where

01:50:55.500 the conservative community has, has really failed because conservatives used to leave it to the

01:50:59.360 church to do that. Right. And churches, especially over the last year, since they've been forcibly

01:51:03.160 disbanded by the federal government, uh, churches have lost a lot of capacity to do that. And they've

01:51:08.260 lost a lot of the internal cohesion that, that conservatives used to find in community. And so we're

01:51:12.700 going to have to find some ways. I think, honestly, we should be doing that at Daily Wire. I think that over

01:51:16.780 the course of the coming years, we at Daily Wire should be finding ways where we can bring people

01:51:19.800 together. So they feel a sense of community and they feel a sense of solidarity and feel a sense

01:51:23.600 of solidity. And if they stand up, we're all going to stand up at the same time. We should point out

01:51:27.200 that having courage does not mean sticking your head in the cannon's mouth. It means

01:51:30.120 strategizing and gathering together. Prudence is a virtue too.

01:51:33.860 That's one thing. I think we probably all get this all the time, but when you go out to speak or

01:51:39.880 something and you meet, you meet people who are, uh, followers of Daily Wire, one thing I often hear

01:51:45.360 is, oh, well, you know, I like listening to you because I'm just, it lets me know that I'm not

01:51:48.240 alone. You know what I mean? I feel like I'm alone and you hear this, especially in college

01:51:51.240 campuses all the time. And, um, it's crazy because we hear that so often. It's like, of course,

01:51:55.120 we're not alone. There are millions of us out there, but somehow we can all still feel like,

01:51:59.200 like we're the only. But you know what conservatives do? And this drives me crazy. And you, you hear

01:52:04.100 attacked on all sides, which is that, you know, fusionism was really awful because of, you know,

01:52:10.440 Buckley wasn't strong enough or Reagan wasn't strong enough or this or that. We all, there are all

01:52:14.200 these different kinds of conservative, right? There's the traditional conservatives, there's

01:52:17.300 the libertarians, there's the neocons, there's the populists, there's this, there's that. You

01:52:21.540 could go into a room of a hundred conservatives where they could all agree on 90% of things

01:52:25.180 and they'd find the 10% and all fight each other all day and they won't unite. Well, guess

01:52:29.680 what folks? If we, I'm not saying that I don't think the conservative coalition that existed

01:52:33.780 say from the end of the second world war through the end of the cold war, I don't think that

01:52:37.400 exactly is going to be the future, but there has to be a coalition because there, there ain't

01:52:42.780 enough traditionalist libertarians to make a coalition. And I think that, but there is

01:52:48.240 something to, I think even the notion of physical togetherness, I think the way you saw over

01:52:51.280 the last year that was so transformational is that, and greenlit by our corrupt media and

01:52:57.260 our corrupt public health establishment who said that in the middle of the pandemic, it

01:52:59.580 was totally fine to congregate so long as you weren't mentioning Jesus. You know, really,

01:53:03.740 I mean, that's really what it was. You could, you can mention racial justice, but if you

01:53:06.940 mentioned God back to back home with you, then the, the, the giant, I mean, there are

01:53:12.260 20 million people in the streets, 20 million people in the streets. It was the single largest

01:53:16.060 protest movement in American history. And it wasn't just rioters, right? I mean, there were

01:53:19.360 riots and that's what we pay attention to on the right, but there was this huge movement of people

01:53:23.080 who are out there feeling solidarity with each other. The left has found its solidarity. They

01:53:27.240 found, when we say that politics is a religion to the left, I don't just mean that they see

01:53:31.260 politics in a religious way. I mean, they find a religious community, which is really how most people

01:53:35.360 interact with religion. They find a religious community in politics. And so for them,

01:53:41.120 Twitter is a church group for, for, for them, for them, when they, when they go to a political

01:53:45.940 event, it is the equivalent of me going to synagogue on a Saturday and reading from the

01:53:50.360 Bible. And for conservatives, we, we don't have that because again, we used to think that church

01:53:54.500 was the place you go to get that, but we're going to need to start figuring out some ersatz way of

01:53:58.260 coming together here, or it's, or it's going to collapse really, really quickly. The people in

01:54:01.460 the street, they also knew what they were there for. Like they, they, they have a very simple

01:54:06.560 concept of anti-racism. We're, we're fighting racism. Most of their ideas about that are false,

01:54:10.960 of course, but that's what they're there for. Um, the problem for conservatives that we always

01:54:14.600 talk about is we don't really even agree on what we're fighting for. So what, okay, they're in the

01:54:19.660 street saying, we're going to take down racism. What are we in this? What's on our banner? What,

01:54:23.780 what, what even are we saying? I think we put a hundred of us in a room. You're going to get

01:54:27.280 like 90 different answers to what should be on the banner. And we always, we always talk about

01:54:31.560 free speech in the abstract. I like free speech in the abstract. We talk about freedom of

01:54:34.940 religion in the abstract. I like freedom of religion in the abstract. Those things don't

01:54:39.480 really matter if you don't have something to say, if you don't have something that you believe you,

01:54:44.580 you've actually got to fill it in. We like the abstract stuff, but there, there is a real

01:54:48.600 practical tradition here we've got to deal with. And so we got to figure out what do we want to say?

01:54:52.740 What do we want to believe in? I'm not saying it has to be strictly religious. The funny thing is,

01:54:56.740 uh, I don't disagree with you guys, but I actually don't think that what we, that what we lack is a

01:55:02.920 rallying cry because we are conservatives. We're content to be reactionary and just rally against

01:55:08.020 whatever the left is doing today. What we actually lack is community. And it's why the last year has

01:55:12.880 been so, there's no infrastructure. And one of the reasons the last year has been so devastating is

01:55:17.020 because when, when you work for some massive corporation that hasn't been able to bring its

01:55:21.220 employees back for, or hasn't had the courage to bring its employees back for the last year,

01:55:25.680 and you're taking some sort of anti-racist HR lecture on how whiteness comes inherently with

01:55:32.760 guilt or whiteness comes inherently with, uh, oppression and you're taking it over zoom.

01:55:37.300 You can't even glance around the room to see who else is looking at their shoes.

01:55:41.240 Yeah. You have no ability to seek out anyone who agrees with you in real time in that situation.

01:55:46.280 You are truly alone and truly alone. Most people lack courage.

01:55:50.880 So many conservatives are calling, saying that the solution is going to have to be

01:55:56.620 more localism. You know, the Benedictine option and the whole idea that we're going to have to

01:56:01.640 retire into our communities. I don't, you know, I don't think that would work any more than it was

01:56:06.360 going to work for Switzerland during world war II. Ultimately you're, you do that, you're alone and

01:56:10.960 you're surrounded and you're going to lose. You know, I think that we really do have to have a

01:56:15.500 movement and you're right too. It's got to be a coalition movement because we are very different.

01:56:19.560 We are individuals. We do believe in, uh, letting each other, you know, this is the thing. We don't

01:56:24.040 believe in shutting each other down. We don't believe in telling each other to shut up. We

01:56:27.080 believe in actually talking about this is why what the left has done over the course of the last 20

01:56:30.660 years is one of the, honestly, it's one of the great political maneuvers in human history. Oh yeah.

01:56:35.480 They've taken over every institution in American life, every single one, without question,

01:56:41.080 they're the resistance, they're the powerful, but they're also the resistance and incredible thing.

01:56:44.480 And the fact they've been able to take over every, sorry, Ben, I'm going to interrupt you. We have

01:56:48.360 the co-presidents, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. In fact, Kamala Harris coming to the microphone

01:56:53.020 first. Let's hear from the white house. There's the president and co-president of the United States

01:56:58.920 America, both addressing the nation with essentially three messages. America is fundamentally evil and

01:57:06.420 racist. Uh, we should all come together and agree with the co-presidency and we must transfer even

01:57:13.320 more power into the federal government. That was disgusting. That was a disgusting speech.

01:57:18.380 It was so dishonest. It was so thick with lies to talk about this country as if no, you know,

01:57:23.780 as if like Rod Steiger were running police departments from in the heat of the night,

01:57:28.240 you know, that, that you couldn't get a conviction against the dishonest cop. We get them all the time.

01:57:32.620 This is not the 1930s. It's not the 1940s. Police departments have been revolutionized in the last

01:57:38.640 20, 30 years. They look like the neighborhoods they police. They are completely integrated.

01:57:43.700 Every city in America has changed in the terms, in terms of policing. This was not,

01:57:48.020 this was not a, let's just say for a minute that the verdict was correct.

01:57:52.900 So what? Well, it happens all the time. We get correct verdicts all the time.

01:57:55.700 Both of those speeches were about how America is racist. Again, where is the racial component of

01:58:01.900 where is it? That's another, where is it? Like has anyone yet provided the shred of evidence to

01:58:05.400 suggest that it was a racial killing? I wasn't even, you know why? None. And then not only that,

01:58:09.320 you have Joe Biden out there saying that America's police, all of our systems are actually systemically

01:58:14.360 racist. That if you're a black person in America, you should feel an existential risk

01:58:18.240 just by living, just by living your life. You could be, you could be killed at any moment,

01:58:22.380 but also most cops are good. I don't believe you. I don't believe that that's what you think about

01:58:26.840 cops. If what you think is that America, because these, these two are in their mutually exclusive

01:58:31.380 positions. If most cops are wonderful, good people, and only a few are bad apples,

01:58:35.980 then how can you argue that the system of policing is so fundamentally broken that black people are

01:58:39.420 walking around in mortal fear for their lives every single day? Like it's not that I'm clairvoyant

01:58:44.700 when I said what exactly they would say is that their agenda is perfectly clear. Yeah. And it's

01:58:49.140 always the same, which is let us take a data point. The data point may not fit our narrative,

01:58:54.480 but we'll twist it so that it does fit our narrative, right? We won't actually have to show

01:58:56.940 evidence that it was a racial killing, but we'll say that it was a racial killing because then it fits

01:58:59.680 our narrative. And then we take that racial narrative and then we blow it up so that it is all

01:59:03.820 encompassing. It is the narrative of all of America. And then if you just give us more

01:59:07.480 power, then we will fix it for you. But don't worry because here's the thing. It will never,

01:59:11.100 we'll never reach the promised land. We will always be Moses on the mountaintop gazing over

01:59:14.760 at the promised land, but we will never reach it. It's like Zeno's paradox. The closer we get to

01:59:17.680 paradise, we are still not, we're never going to reach paradise, which means if you just keep

01:59:21.260 incrementally giving us power, then at least we're moving in the right direction. There's no mission

01:59:26.760 accomplished here at any point. Now, listen, I think that life is about there never being a

01:59:30.920 mission accomplished banner because there's really never a mission accomplished banner in life.

01:59:34.140 But you have to at least have some metric when you suggest that massive power is to be shifted

01:59:39.180 from the individual to the federal government. You have to have some metric of success that you

01:59:42.940 can demonstrate. And there is no metric of success that they can demonstrate along anywhere here.

01:59:46.600 There has to be no room for hate in the heart of any American. That's what he said.

01:59:50.780 That's what he said. And I mean, first of all, hatred is a perfectly reasonable emotion to show in

01:59:55.220 some cases. And part of what defines us is what we hate. There's always going to,

01:59:59.820 and there's always going to be sinful hate. There's always going to be wrongful hate in

02:00:02.600 America and everywhere else.

02:00:04.280 So you can never get rid of it.

02:00:05.140 Part and parcel of the redefinition of humanity, that if you redefine all the systems of the

02:00:09.000 government, if you redefine all the systems and institutions under which we live, you will

02:00:12.400 remake human beings into pure angels. And that's endemic to everything that they're saying.

02:00:17.380 The funny thing is pure angels have hate. Here's some member questions. Do y'all think

02:00:20.820 they're letting riots go on to create a crisis that they'll solve with nationalized police? Can this go

02:00:26.920 hand in hand with defunding local police and passing gun control to finally create a totalitarian

02:00:31.620 federal government?

02:00:32.780 That is what I think they want, is they want federal police. They do not like the fact that

02:00:36.560 the police are responsible to the community. Obama was doing that town after town, was forcing them

02:00:43.260 into federal oversight. And every time he did it, crime went up because the rules of engagement

02:00:47.620 became so absurd. Local policing is one of the great things that America has. The fact that you

02:00:53.820 have a, you know, if you live in Nashville, you have the Nashville police. They know the

02:00:56.980 community, the responsible community. The federal government hates that. They hate people. They hate

02:01:01.460 the people. They hate the people. They do not trust the people. They don't respect the people.

02:01:05.540 They think the people should not be making their own decisions. They think the problem,

02:01:08.700 the endemic racism is not in the government. It's not in the system of government. It is in the people.

02:01:13.520 They do not like the very idea. When you talk about individuals, they hate that. They hate the idea that

02:01:18.900 we are a mass of individuals, each with his own desire to make our lives better, which is what

02:01:23.280 powers America, what's made America great. And they just despise it. The next great conflict is

02:01:28.480 going to be federal state, right? Because the goal of the Democrats right now is to federalize all the

02:01:32.900 things, right? It's not just about federalizing police forces, which is barred by the Posse Comitatus

02:01:37.020 Act, and you can't do it legally. But what it really more than that is about, they're trying to

02:01:41.360 federalize all voting procedure, right? They want literally everything run at the top level so they can

02:01:45.560 remove all power from the states to provide any sort of barrier to what it is that they would

02:01:49.240 like to do in reshaping all of America, which is why you're seeing governors increasingly in red

02:01:52.740 states say, listen, you can pass whatever laws you want. We're not helping you enforce them.

02:01:56.100 Yep. And the last bailout bill forbids states to raise taxes, basically.

02:02:01.820 Cutting taxes. Yeah, cut taxes.

02:02:03.100 You talk about they hate the people that they're leading, and you find this in the cities, too.

02:02:08.700 The people running the cities despise those cities and despise the people in it, which is you can't

02:02:14.540 lead something that you hate. And, I mean, a really absurd example that everyone laughed about,

02:02:18.380 because it was hilarious, but also really disturbing, is I forget which city it was,

02:02:21.600 but there was some mayor of a city, maybe it was in South Carolina, where she wrote this weird poem

02:02:25.720 comparing her city to a rapist.

02:02:29.540 And it's, yeah, right.

02:02:31.160 Charlottesville.

02:02:31.680 Right, Charlottesville. And it's, and yeah, it's, it's, it's funny because it's so absurd, but also

02:02:35.980 you're the mayor of the city, and this is what you think of your, your city that you lead?

02:02:40.640 It's just, there's no way to hate, to, to lead something that you hate.

02:02:43.440 This is also what I was saying about the revolution from inside the institutions, right?

02:02:46.180 This is what they've actually realized now, is that it used to be the revolutionaries were

02:02:49.600 against the people who wanted to use the institutions for change, right?

02:02:52.140 This is the conflict between the radicals and like the LBJ administration, for example.

02:02:55.580 And now they've realized, what if it's just perpetual revolution from the inside?

02:02:58.340 What if we just take over the institutions from the inside and we use those for the perpetual

02:03:01.900 revolution? Because there is something odd about watching Joe Biden, a creature of government

02:03:05.440 for his entire adult life. Yeah.

02:03:07.240 A person who's been in Washington, D.C. on the tax paradigm for his entire adult life.

02:03:10.360 Since before he was constitutionally old enough to serve.

02:03:13.280 Correct. And there's something weird about that guy talking about the systems of American

02:03:16.860 racism and how they're deeply embedded. And that guy's been in Congress since 15 years

02:03:21.760 before I was born. I mean, he's been there forever. And, and yet he's capable of doing

02:03:26.940 this work because he's going to shift the institutions into instruments of the revolution.

02:03:31.700 So another member question, do you think that Biden and Kamala actually believe their lies

02:03:35.820 or are they so engrossed in pushing their narrative that they're just fine with completely lying

02:03:40.380 to the American people?

02:03:41.320 I don't think Biden believes anything really. I think, I think part of that is a function

02:03:44.900 of the fact that he's been in government forever. So he's just been, I don't, you can't survive

02:03:48.300 in government for that long. Um, and have any real conviction. You have to be totally emptied

02:03:53.060 of any personal convictions at all. And also he's, he's half senile, which is, which he is

02:03:57.800 clearly. Um, as far as Kamala, I think it's, I think it's the same thing, but they don't,

02:04:02.580 we were talking about this off there. Do they, when they talk about George Floyd and how they're

02:04:07.980 still mourning him after all this time, do the people saying that, uh, Joe Biden, Nancy

02:04:14.240 Pelosi, Kamala Harris, do they really feel that inside their hearts? So that are, are they

02:04:18.720 personally a year later still in mourning over this guy? They didn't even know. Um, it's,

02:04:23.720 it's hard to believe. I don't think they do, but a lot of the people in the streets

02:04:26.720 are indoctrinated. So for, so for them, it's real. To quote a very famous politician,

02:04:31.540 what is truth? Pontius Pilate, Pontius Pilate is a cynic. So he says, what is truth? It's not

02:04:37.340 that he's pushing lies. It's not, it just doesn't care about the truth. And he is in some ways the

02:04:42.280 archetypal politician because politicians generally are focused on their interests and are not so

02:04:48.100 concerned with eternal truths. And this is especially true of the left, which even at the

02:04:53.500 intellectual level very often denies objective truth. This is so much what the upheavals of

02:04:58.740 the, especially the 1960s and seventies were about is denying that there's, there's anything

02:05:02.820 permanently true that it's, it's all just social constructs. This is a sort of cosmic accident.

02:05:07.520 And so ultimately what does politics come down to? It comes down to constructing a narrative

02:05:12.140 that may or may not have any relationship to reality in so doing through this act of redefinition

02:05:17.360 narrative, changing the reality and therefore forcing our will on people as a brute interest

02:05:23.760 group. I think, I think Kamala and Joe absolutely believe that. And I think they're doing a very

02:05:27.820 good job at it. Next question. Why is the president of the United States and the vice president of the

02:05:32.100 United States? Why are they giving a statement at the end of a trial as if it affects the nation

02:05:36.900 in any way? Well, that's Ben's point of it. Really? This is not criminal trial. We have

02:05:42.500 thousands of them every single, every single, every single, and it's not representative. This

02:05:46.740 is the thing, you know, when, when they were making movies against the war on terror, they would make

02:05:51.360 movies in which American soldiers would rape like Iraqi women and things like that. And their argument

02:05:56.000 would always be, well, this really happened. And you'd think, okay, it really happened. But was it

02:06:00.300 representative? There were 200,000 troops over there. One guy does a bad thing. Is that

02:06:03.680 representative of what the military is actually doing? Is that the war story, the only war story

02:06:07.820 you're going to tell? This is the game the left is constantly playing now, right? Which is they

02:06:10.840 take a piece of anecdotal data. It doesn't even have to back really what they're saying. And then

02:06:16.460 they just spin it into whatever they want it to be. And then they say, this piece of anecdotal data is

02:06:20.300 evidence of the entire system, right? This is, by the way, is every Ta-Nehisi codes column for the last

02:06:24.240 10 years, right? Here's something bad that happened in 1890 in Tuscaloosa. And it was really,

02:06:28.660 really bad. And now if you fast forward 130 years, nothing has changed. And you're like, well,

02:06:33.680 some things happened between 1890 and now, like a few things happened, it seems like.

02:06:37.980 I even love this on the alt-right when they're like, what about the USS Liberty being bombed by

02:06:43.060 the Israelis in the 1960s? And yeah, what about the British burning down the White House?

02:06:47.840 What are we talking about?

02:06:49.440 When you don't provide any data, there was a wonderful piece. And when I say wonderful,

02:06:53.900 I mean horrific piece in the Washington Post by a columnist. And there was one line in it that just

02:06:58.520 struck me forcibly. She was talking about how she feels as a black woman in America dealing with

02:07:04.080 the police and looking at all these tapes. And she was talking about how terrifying it is to deal

02:07:08.640 with the police and the threat of the police. She didn't have any actual anecdotal even experiences

02:07:13.000 personally with her bad experiences with the police. But at one point she says,

02:07:16.040 she says, statistically, it would seem statistically that you're more, that I'm more likely to be shot

02:07:21.820 by a police officer than a crackhead. Now, normally a sentence like that is followed by,

02:07:26.840 you know, a statistic. It would seem statistically. I mean, the word statistically usually conveys some

02:07:31.140 sort of statistical information. No, it was just the end of a parentheses, move on with the story.

02:07:35.820 Because there is no statistic by which you are more likely to be shot by a cop than a crackhead.

02:07:40.380 Who said on Twitter this week, a black person has a 50-50 shot?

02:07:43.820 Chelsea Handler. Chelsea Handler said 50-50 shot of being shot by the cops. Of course,

02:07:46.700 there's no statistical reality there. Some of this goes back to a book that's come up,

02:07:50.220 we've talked about it before on Backstage, Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self. And he talks about

02:07:54.760 the, you know, the birth of psychological man. And that's what we are. If something seems

02:08:00.740 psychologically to be true, if it seems true to you, then that's all that matters. The statistics

02:08:04.980 don't play into it. The terrible thing about that is that's what racists tell me, too.

02:08:09.340 When people who don't like black people will say to me, well, in my experience,

02:08:13.820 this has happened and that's happened. You go like, well, maybe that's not the whole world.

02:08:17.100 But they say the same thing. It's my lived experience. How can you argue?

02:08:19.520 You know, getting back, though, to the questioner, I do think we have to

02:08:21.980 correct the questioner because they said, well, why are the president and vice president making

02:08:26.320 a statement now after the trial's over, after it doesn't matter? The president and vice president

02:08:30.780 made statements before the trial was over, too. Joe Biden made one this week and obviously

02:08:35.160 pressured the jury.

02:08:36.500 Joe Biden made a statement making it clear that he wanted a guilty verdict. And a few hours later,

02:08:41.840 the verdict came. I'm not saying that those two things are necessarily connected, but

02:08:45.400 I'm also not convinced that they're a coincidence.

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