Ep. 212 - Anti-Social Media
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Summary
Social media CEOs head to Capitol Hill and promise censorship to their political overlords. Then, Alex Jones, shirtless vitamin salesman, actually makes a good point. And Pope Francis tells his critics to shut up. In today s This is America segment, Cosby Show actor Jeffrey Owens explains the value of work. Finally, on this day in history, the first session of the Continental Congress convenes without Kamala Harris shrieking even one time. Spoiler alert: it is not in our stars, but in ourselves.
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Social media CEOs head to Capitol Hill and promise censorship to their political overlords.
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Then, Alex Jones, shirtless vitamin salesman, actually makes a good point.
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Scientists extol the health benefits of friending God, and Pope Francis tells his critics to shut up.
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In today's This Is America segment, Cosby Show actor Jeffrey Owens explains the value of work.
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Finally, on this day in history, the first session of the Continental Congress convenes
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We will analyze the unpleasant reason for our government's dysfunction.
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Spoiler alert, it is not in our stars, but in ourselves.
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I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
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I sat through all of that testimony just for you.
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we hire people, which is voting them into Congress and then having them call these tech
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CEOs and having them blather on and on about we have to censor people.
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I actually have some pity for Jack Dorsey here.
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I think Jack Dorsey, he's not a crazed leftist.
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He seems to have the entire world angry with him right now.
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At first, it looked like Jack Dorsey of Twitter was going to resist calls for censorship.
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He was saying, no, we're not going to censor Alex Jones.
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And there's shadow banning going on at that company.
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There are actually reports that before this testimony, suddenly, magically, all of those
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shadow bans were lifted because there are services where you can check it.
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Jack Dorsey admitted that his company has a left wing bias when he was talking to Brian
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I know that nobody watches CNN, but I watch it for you so that I can explain these insightful
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moments like when Jack Dorsey admits his own bias.
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But I want to take you through his testimony line by line because he sounds almost as though
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he's serious and unbiased and willing to take action.
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And when you actually parse the wording, you realize it's exactly the opposite.
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In any public space, you'll find inspired ideas and you'll find lies and deception.
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People who want to help others and unify and people who want to hurt others and themselves
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What separates a physical and digital public space is greater accessibility and velocity.
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We're extremely proud of helping to increase the accessibility and velocity of a simple,
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We believe people will learn faster by being exposed to a wide range of opinions and ideas,
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and it helps make our nation and the world feel a little bit smaller.
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Now listen to those words, because this all sounds great, doesn't it?
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That's what all of these tech companies are saying they are.
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This is a very important distinction because if the tech companies are publishers, then they're
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going to be liable for all of the copyright violations that are uploaded to them.
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They're going to be liable for some of their campaign work.
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If they're seen to be punishing certain candidates, helping out other candidates, that could be an
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He says this is about an open, simple exchange of ideas.
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Just like we have the public square, we also have the digital public square, and that is
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And by the way, for anyone who's ever visited public squares, crazy people go to public squares
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That's called the free and open exchange of ideas.
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We are proud of how that free and open exchange has been weaponized and used to distract and
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We found ourselves unprepared and ill-equipped for the immensity of the problems that we've
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This is the line that the left uses a lot now when they say, they say, I really like
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free speech, but, and then they negate everything that came before the but, they use the word
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But if free speech is a good thing, then weaponizing free speech is also a good thing, right?
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If it's, it doesn't, weaponizing, how do you weaponize a good thing?
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To weaponize it, right, is to, is to use it against your adversaries and against your
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That's not perverting the nature of free speech.
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That's actually using free speech for its intended purpose.
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The whole reason that we have a public square is so that we can exchange ideas that we disagree
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He says we want the open, simple exchange of ideas.
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Well, if you're exchanging ideas, presumably that exchange is not going to be of ideas
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But when you have an exchange, then you are using language.
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You're using words to convey ideas that oppose other people's ideas.
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Now, you can call that weaponizing them, but that's the exact purpose of free speech.
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All of politics, politics comes down at its most essential core to meaningful speech.
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To people who use speech to convince their other countrymen or their citizens or whatever
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To persuade them, to convince them that one course of action is better than another course
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To call it weaponizing is just to say, I really support free speech, but I hate when free
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Abuse, harassment, troll armies, propaganda through bots and human coordination, misinformation
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Worse, a relatively small number of bad faith actors were able to game Twitter to have an
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Okay, so let's just use the word propaganda to begin.
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He says, propaganda is infiltrating the public square.
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Propaganda is the essence of the public square.
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Propaganda is making an argument for just one side of a dispute.
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Fox News is not their news programming, but their commentary programming.
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That's propaganda for a conservative point of view.
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Sure, some of it might be, but MSNBC is propaganda for a left-wing point of view.
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I don't say that Rachel Maddow can't have her free speech.
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I mean, what would happen to my show if I said Rachel Maddow isn't entitled to her free
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But likewise, I don't say Sean Hannity isn't entitled to his.
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It's a one-sided point of view of a political issue.
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I also love that he says that people and robots and robots under human control are infiltrating
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What are those robots that aren't under human control?
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I actually do think that we should maybe attack them.
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We need to weaponize weapons against the robots who have broken free and are attacking us.
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But as for the robots that are being controlled by humans, and by that we just mean humans who
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are using technology to convince people of their own political goals, which is what we're
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all doing when we use computers or cell phones or this show or anything, that isn't some nefarious
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So again, he's just constantly using, he says, I love free speech, but I hate what free speech
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is used for and I hate when it is used and how it is used and through what media it is used.
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We're now removing over 200% more accounts for violating our policies.
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We're identifying and challenging 8 to 10 million suspicious accounts every week.
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And we're thwarting over a half million accounts from logging in to Twitter every single day.
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We've learned from 2016 and more recently from other nations' elections how to protect
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Better tools, stronger policy, and new partnerships are already in place.
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What integrity of elections is being threatened here?
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Is Twitter being used to go in and change voting machines?
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Is Twitter being used to go in and disrupt buses and stop people from getting to the polls?
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So when we're talking about interfering in elections, what you're really talking about,
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as you've been talking the whole time, is political speech.
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You're saying, now people are using Twitter for political speech.
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I thought free speech was the whole point, the open exchange of ideas in a public forum.
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He's saying that his answer, his way to fix the problems with Twitter, which are censorship
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and shadow banning and treating conservatives unfairly and artificially boosting left-wing
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views, the way he's combating that is banning 200% more people, is questioning 8 to 10 million
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accounts, is regularly preventing half a million accounts from logging on.
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He's saying our way, because Twitter is supposed to be an open public square for the free exchange
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of ideas, and something has gone wrong in that.
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So the way we're going to make it open and free and keep exchanging ideas is booting off
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millions and millions of people and harassing them and making it harder to use the service.
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We'll have to, we'll have to, it goes on and on and on.
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I guess we can cut it there because it's, it's more of the same.
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When I was watching this testimony, it was so clear that the, the, the problem with Twitter
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You can't say that we're colluding with other people, other nations, whatever people are
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The, the main problem with Twitter is censorship.
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And I'll explain how we can fix that in just one second.
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The, the solution here is all those, the 200 million you're kicking off of Twitter, the,
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the 10 million or the 200% more that you're kicking off, the, the 8 to 10 million,
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that you're regularly questioning, the half a million that you're preventing from logging
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Transparency is another problem, but that is the problem.
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I, I was, there, I was recently rereading, uh, an essay or a speech, I suppose, by John
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He's the guy who wrote Paradise Lost, and it's called the Areopagitica, and it's, it is one
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He gave it, uh, he gave it before Parliament, and it is this resounding defense of free speech.
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I'm, I'm seriously considering posting all 19,000 or 20,000 words of the Areopagitica to
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Twitter, tweet by tweet, because there is a total misunderstanding and lack of appreciation
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of the free exchange of ideas and free speech, and what makes this testimony so Orwellian is
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the whole introduction is how this, we want Twitter to be a free, open platform, a free,
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open platform, BS, pal, clearly not, because all the rest of your testimony negated that.
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The reason they're so insistent on this is because they don't want to get regulated like
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publishers, they don't want to get regulated like political actors, they don't want to
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get regulated out of business, but you've got to live up to what your, to what your platform
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is supposed to be, what it was founded to be, because coincidentally, while all of this
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was happening, we witnessed the biggest one-day drop in tech stocks in months.
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It dragged the NASDAQ down, it hit Twitter especially hard, Twitter was down 5.2%, Google's
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down 1.7% at the highest, I think they've rebounded a little by now.
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And by the way, I'm not saying that this is caused by the testimony, we're not even sure
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if the testimony has, is priced into this yet, but certainly it is the case that all
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of the scandals that have plagued big tech in recent months, all of which, by the way,
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are related to how freely information is exchanged, the privacy issues, the censorship issues,
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the shadow of any, all of that creates uncertainty in tech stocks because the tech stocks are not
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doing what they're supposed to do. Either Twitter is going to be an open platform and
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it's going to be Twitter or there won't be Twitter. It's not going to be something else.
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The left always goes in and perverts these institutions. Either Twitter will do what it
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does or there won't be a Twitter. It will just disappear. And we know this, by the way. Look
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at the decline in users. So a new study came out from Pew Research. 42% of Facebook users have taken
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a break from the platform in the past year. 42%. That is a shocking amount. I mean, I use it all
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the time. Obviously, we broadcast on these platforms. These platforms have given conservatives
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such an opportunity. That's why the left is so angry. That's why the left is pressuring them
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to censor all of us because it's given us such an opportunity to get our views out unvarnished
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to the American people. You know, for decades and decades and decades, the mainstream media
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had this awful monopoly. They controlled the point of view. A conservative could never get
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his point of view out to the people. It would only be seen through a perverted and distorted
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narrative lens of the mainstream media. We crashed that because of social media. Now they're
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trying to take it back. That's why they're so furious. This is why Trump has got to keep
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tweeting. I know there's the conservative, sort of conservative, aristocratic, oh no,
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pish posh, he shouldn't tweet. Take the phone away. No, the phone's the whole thing. I'm here
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for the phone. Keep tweeting. Tweeting is the way that we're able to get our message out
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unvarnished. In the case of President Trump, it's very unvarnished. It's very, it's not really
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polished up at all. But that's fine. You're getting that point of view across. In the last
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year, 54% of Facebook users have adjusted their privacy settings. Over a quarter of
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Facebook users in the past year, a quarter, 26% have deleted the app from their phone.
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And Facebook's a mobile platform now. People use it on mobile much more than they use it
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on desktop. 26% have deleted the app from their phone. That is a shocking number. And
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it gets even more shocking because it's specifically among young people who've done it. That number,
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when you look at just 18 to 29-year-old Facebook users, 44% have deleted the app from their
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phone. That is a terrifying number for Facebook. Because I think the number is only 12% have
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deleted it from their phone for 65 and over. But of that young group, it's so high. Why
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is it? Because there's no transparency. Because these big tech companies have abused privacy
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settings. They've used data dishonestly. And because they are censoring half of their audience.
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They're saying, no, you can't. No, this isn't fair. When people don't play
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by the rules, we get very sick of it. We tune out. It's all about trust. It's all about,
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do we trust these companies? Now, I don't want to harp on this too much because we could talk
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about social media all day. I'm sure there's going to be fallout from this. Before we move
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on, I do have to get to the best part of all of the hearings. Mr. Jones, take it away.
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It's happening here. It's happening here, but you say I don't exist.
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Is that a heckler or a pricey? I don't know. Look at this guy. He's saying that I don't
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exist. You're not from here. I just don't know who you are, man. I don't read your website.
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Sure. And they demonize me in these very hearings. And then he plays dumb. Infowars.com,
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you know what it is. Oh, well. Does Google, does Facebook, does Google, does Google,
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does Google, does Google, does Google, do they need to be regulated? Do they need to be regulated?
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Mark a room to go to the snake. A little frat boy here. All right, man. Yeah.
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Who are you? Yeah, sure. I swear to God, I don't know who you are, man. You better hope
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you do deplatforming. Tens of millions of views. Infowars. Better than Rice Limbaugh. He knows
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who Infowars is. Play this joke over here. That's why, hey, the deplatforming didn't work.
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But here's the question. Here's the question. Don't touch me again, man. I'm asking you not
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to touch me. Well, sure, I'll just pat you nicely. I know, but I don't want to be, I don't
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know who you are. You want me to get arrested? It's not just going to take my first amendment.
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It's not just enough to take my first amendment. Oh, oh, he'll beat me up. Did you? I didn't say that.
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I didn't know who I am, but he's so mad. You're not going to silence me. You're not
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going to silence America. You are literally like a little gangster thug. There are people
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in this country. Rubio just threatened to physically take care of me.
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So there's so much here. If you couldn't hear that, that would be Mr. Marco Rubio and Alex
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Jones comes into this little press gaggle and just starts getting right in Rubio's face.
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There's a big debate happening right now over how Rubio handled this. I got to say, I think
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he could have handled it better. I don't think this was the best way. If Alex Jones gets up in
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your face, starts screaming at you, you're at a hearing about big tech censorship of people.
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Alex Jones is one of the big faces of tech censoring people on the right. I use the term
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the right broadly because Alex Jones probably wouldn't be considered a conservative or call
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himself a conservative. He's a little more out there than that, but certainly he does fall broadly
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within the right. There is no way that Marco Rubio doesn't know who he is. Of course Marco
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Rubio knows who he is. Everybody knows who he is. He's on TV all the time because Alex Jones,
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as you saw in that clip, is very good at making a spectacle. So of course he does. I just felt
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like this is the kind of classic politician response. Oh, I haven't seen that. Whenever
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there's a damaging video or somebody does a hit piece or does a damaging advertisement or
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something, they would say, oh, I haven't seen it. I've heard about it, but I haven't seen
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it. And they deny it and they deny it, but that's not credible here. And then Marco Rubio
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says, I swear to God, I don't know who you are, which is, I think for a lot of listeners,
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a little jarring because we all know that Marco Rubio knows who Alex Jones is. So when you say,
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I swear to God, you just think, what are you doing here? What is the game that you're playing?
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And also Alex Jones isn't going to take that for an answer. And I'll show you how this ends up to
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to give you a recap on Alex Jones's media strategy. Here is the rest of that altercation.
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The Democrats are raping InfoWars. What's the difference between, you know, misinformation
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from abroad and differences of opinion within the United States? Yeah, and that's happening here.
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It's a very fine line and that's something we need to be careful about. We don't overreach
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in that direction. But then he doesn't know about InfoWars being made. He doesn't know
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about the top of his story in the country. Not just how they apply that within the United States,
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InfoWars.com is better than ever. But they don't have reasons of authoritarian regimes
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abroad to crack down on free speech because there's a balance between what is free speech
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and what people disagree on. Poor Rubio. I've got to go to the committee. You guys can talk
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to this clown. Oh, yeah. Look, he's a little frat boy. So cool. Back to your bathhouse.
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Back to your bathhouse. He says, I mean, it's just so what this I pity Marco Rubio here because
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you know, what was he going to do in this situation? But I think that what he did was
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just leave at the end, right? He said, OK, I'm leaving my little press gaggle and you guys
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can talk to Alex Jones. I'm getting out of here because it was so awkward. It was not
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making good video. It didn't look good. He should have done that the second he saw Alex
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Jones from down the hallway. So like, nope, Nadia, see ya. You can't win an altercation
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with Alex Jones. That's not going to happen. Alex Jones creates spectacle. There is no way
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to win that. There's no way to look cool doing that. Denying that you know who he is,
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trying to laugh at him, trying to get in his face, trying to threaten him, whatever.
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It doesn't work. The guy is immune to it. They're turning the frogs gay, you know? I mean,
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that's really... So I think he should have just walked away sooner. If you get down into a fight
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with Alex Jones, you can't leave it looking good. You can't leave... This is true of a lot of people
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in politics, but you can't leave it looking good. When it's a lose, lose, lose, get out of there.
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He should have done it sooner, but I do have some sympathy for Marco Rubio. Alex Jones,
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regardless of whether they're turning the frogs gay or any, you know, conspiracy theories of Alex
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Jones's, you've got to give the guy credit because he's so compelling on camera. He's so entertaining.
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We've got more because... And by the way, Alex Jones makes a very good point in the midst of all this
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00:25:15.580
bullying, whatever, you know, Alex Jones is doing, he actually made a good point. He made a good
00:25:20.340
point at a separate moment when he was addressing the press. Here, here is Alex Jones actually making
00:25:26.380
a compelling statement, much more compelling than what Jack Dorsey was saying. I'm gonna
00:25:30.760
tell you why I'm here. Say sorry to the Sandy Hook parents, Alex. I am here because there is a
00:25:36.420
concerted effort by the Democratic Party and multinational corporations and big tech to silence
00:25:41.560
conservative and nationalist and populist voices ahead of this critical midterm election. And the big tech
00:25:47.940
companies and the head of Apple admit that they met with Senator Warner, who's running this whole
00:25:52.940
thing, to begin shutting down conservatives or the Democrats threatened to federalize big tech
00:25:58.740
if they did not basically roll over to them. That's a great point. He is making a great point
00:26:03.980
right there, which is that there is a concerted effort by not just the left in America, but the sort
00:26:10.620
of transnational, you know, world federalist, European Union, UN, Kumbaya chorus crowd, which
00:26:19.420
includes multinational corporations, to stamp down voices, to tamp down threads of nationalism, of
00:26:26.400
patriotism, of conservatism, trying to tamp those down because it doesn't go along with the political
00:26:32.900
order that they think is inevitable. That is 100% correct. We're going to be speaking to the political
00:26:37.900
philosopher Yoram Hazoni about this a little later. I think we'll air that interview next week. But
00:26:43.220
that is a very good point. And he's right about Mark Warner, too. They, Mark Warner submitted his
00:26:48.740
proposals for what he was going to do to big tech if big tech didn't go around and start censoring
00:26:55.300
voices that they, that Mark Warner doesn't like. And part of that was, we're going to regulate you
00:26:59.720
into the ground. We're going to federalize you. We're going to this, that, and the other thing.
00:27:02.740
This is actually a really good point. And it makes me go back and forth on Jones, which is
00:27:06.680
if he, if he can make a good point like this in between talking about the gay frogs, like
00:27:12.720
maybe he, maybe he should just do that. Maybe he should do that instead of just screaming in
00:27:17.740
Marco Rubio's face and creating a spectacle. I don't know. I, I, I certainly prefer the spectacle
00:27:22.720
because it's a lot more funny and interesting to watch, but this is a really important point.
00:27:27.500
And it does get to the core of our debate over nationalism today and what the role of companies
00:27:32.000
are in a country. But we'll get to that a little bit later. So all of big tech is really floundering
00:27:38.980
right now. Just look at the stock market. And if you can't look at the stock market, look at the
00:27:42.300
user numbers, look at Facebook losing daily users for the first time ever, just, just this year.
00:27:48.540
Same thing with Twitter. Same thing happened for monthly users with Twitter. One of the solutions for
00:27:54.160
this is it was a study that just came out of the university of Michigan, which is that we need to
00:27:59.160
friend God. That was the headline. You need to friend God, like you're friending him on Facebook,
00:28:04.580
but friend God in real life. And I, it's a kind of cheap headline, you know, it's a, it's a little
00:28:10.980
kitschy or something, but I really do like the point because what the study found is that religious
00:28:16.560
people have a stronger sense of belonging and purpose in life. Of course, this is true. If you live
00:28:22.300
in the modern materialist nihilist worldview that everything is just a big cosmic accident, it's a tale told
00:28:29.040
by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing. The only even plausible purpose of life is to
00:28:35.260
pleasure yourself until you die. If that's your point of view, you're not going to have a sense of purpose
00:28:39.860
because that worldview precludes the possibility of a sense of purpose. If you believe in God, particularly
00:28:46.500
the Judeo-Christian version of God, then you're going to feel a real sense of purpose. If you have theistic religion,
00:28:53.220
you're going to feel purpose because there is a purpose. There's a teleology. This is true even if
00:28:57.200
you, if you were living around in old uncle Aristotle's day, that there was the purpose to
00:29:02.500
life, a purpose to do the good, to pursue virtues, which is totally missing in that materialist point
00:29:07.060
of view. So that, that makes a lot of sense. The study also found that friendless people, people who
00:29:11.220
don't have a lot of friends or don't have a big social circle, are more likely to lack direction and
00:29:15.840
struggle with meaning. Uh, fair enough. Uh, I mean, this is true at all. Everybody goes through this
00:29:21.660
at a certain point of life. They feel a little lonely, not all the time, but some of you go
00:29:25.020
through a period and you say, I'm a little lonely right now. I don't whatever, maybe later you got
00:29:28.260
a big social circle. Uh, and when you're lonely, when you're isolated, when you don't have a lot of
00:29:32.760
human contact, then you can kind of get lost in your own head and get lost in what your sense of
00:29:36.820
purpose is in the world. Uh, so what the lead author of this study, Todd Chan says, is that for the
00:29:41.320
socially disconnected, God may serve as a substitute relationship that compensates
00:29:45.280
for some of the purpose the human relationships would normally provide. This is where it goes
00:29:50.000
totally wrong. Because, because it is true for people who, uh, who lack, uh, substantive social
00:29:57.620
relationships in, you know, with human beings, God can help them. God can also help people who do have
00:30:03.560
a lot of friends in the real world, in the physical world. God can help people who've got some friends
00:30:08.740
and not others and who have good work friends and this and that and the other thing. Uh, it, it isn't a
00:30:13.460
substitute relationship. Your relationship with God is the foundational relationship.
00:30:17.540
So it isn't, it, I think what the authors of the study are saying is if you don't have any friends,
00:30:22.180
make an imaginary friend, a big guy in the sky with a beard. But that isn't what God is at all.
00:30:26.340
God is the foundation of those relationships. God is the basis of all meaningful speech. God is the
00:30:30.660
basis of our consciousness. And if you've got a good relationship with God, you're going to have a
00:30:35.400
better relationship with your friends. If you have a good relationship with God, you're going to have a
00:30:38.900
better relationship with your spouse or your boyfriend or girlfriend. Uh, that is, that is the
00:30:42.840
root. People get this totally backwards in the world because they think that the tangible is what
00:30:47.220
is ultimate. The physical is what is ultimately true. But that, that isn't the case. This is a very
00:30:52.240
modern idea and it's very mistaken. The tangible is a metaphor for the foundational things, which are
00:30:58.260
metaphysical. Our, uh, our relationships with our friends are in many ways substitutes for our
00:31:03.540
relationship with God, or there are at least augmentations of that, or there are ancillary to that.
00:31:07.940
So I wish they got that right, but it's very, very true. I've got to say goodbye to Facebook and
00:31:11.860
YouTube and we have a lot more to talk about. Speaking of God, we have to talk about Pope
00:31:15.220
Francis's new response to his critics. Not, not terribly polite. Uh, and, uh, it's two words
00:31:22.220
and they're not happy birthday. They're, they're shut up. That's what the words are. What were you
00:31:25.340
thinking? Uh, we also have to talk, we have a great, this day in America and this day, or this is
00:31:29.840
America and this day in history. Uh, but you watched Jack Dorsey today. You watched, you watched the
00:31:36.860
Kavanaugh hearings yesterday and today, you know what you need. I don't need to tell you. If you
00:31:40.980
go to dailywire.com, you'll get me, the Andrew Klavan show, the Ben Shapiro show. You get to
00:31:44.180
ask questions in the mailbag that's coming up tomorrow. Get them in. You'll get to ask questions
00:31:47.380
in the conversation. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know. I'm not one for mixing spirits,
00:31:53.740
you know, beer before liquor, you'll never be sicker. Liquor before beer, you're all in the clear.
00:31:58.340
But do you put salty leftist tears from Kavanaugh's hearing before the salty leftist tears from Jack
00:32:05.340
Dorsey's hearing? Or do you have the salty leftist big tech tears before you have, it's very complicated
00:32:11.400
and you could get sick. Make sure you get this important tumbler, throw some ice cubes in,
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00:32:24.460
That does sound delish, doesn't it? I'm getting the shakes already just thinking about my delicious
00:32:38.540
Kavanaugh hearing martini later. Yum, yum, yum. So speaking of God, Pope Francis is finally answering
00:32:44.900
some of his critics. He previously said in response to Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano's testimony that
00:32:52.560
he was complicit in covering up some clerical abuse of seminarians. He said, I will not say one word on
00:32:59.420
it. Well, now Pope Francis is saying more than one word on it. He said, quote, with people who lack
00:33:04.740
goodwill, with people who seek only scandal, who seek only division, who seek only destruction,
00:33:11.360
even within the family, there is nothing to do, in brackets, but silence and prayer.
00:33:18.560
May the Lord give us the grace to discern when we should speak and when we should stay silent.
00:33:25.620
Oh my gosh. This is the, he was much better when he was saying, I'm not going to answer my critics.
00:33:31.780
He was, this was, that was a much more satisfying answer than saying, shut up. I mean, because that's
00:33:36.600
what this amounts to. He's saying, shut up. That is his answer. This is utterly unacceptable. This is a
00:33:42.600
totally unacceptable answer from the pontiff. And this is really amazing because from the beginning
00:33:48.720
you've had people who are not Catholic, who are not Christian in the mainstream media talking about
00:33:52.500
how wonderful the Francis pontificate is. Oh, he's so much better than that old Benedict. Benedict,
00:33:56.980
I don't, he, he was German and we don't like Germans or whatever they were saying. And now we see a
00:34:03.720
serious, incredible charge of corruption at the highest levels of the Vatican, all the way up to the
00:34:08.980
papacy. We didn't see these charges under Pope Benedict. We, now we're seeing this at the highest
00:34:14.200
levels. And what is Pope Francis saying? Is it this humble, I'm sorry, this is, okay, I'm going to
00:34:19.780
answer. I'm going to, no, it's shut up. That's the answer we're getting. This is totally unacceptable
00:34:24.000
and people need to be held to account. And I'm telling you, the bishops are not going to get away
00:34:30.640
with this. They're not going to get away with saying, oh, that's okay. It'll blow over. It'll blow over.
00:34:35.020
It won't blow over. The Catholic laity in particular, because we're the ones who donate
00:34:39.960
to the Bishop's Appeal and to all of the service, Catholic relief services, Catholic charities,
00:34:44.460
everything connected with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which actually in this case
00:34:48.060
has acted well enough to say there needs to be an investigation and this needs to be taken
00:34:52.600
seriously. We should not give a penny, not a penny to any of those things. We can give to our churches,
00:34:57.620
don't give to any of those bishops appeals or any of those bishop charities until answers are given,
00:35:03.780
until heads roll, corrupt prelates get out of here. I mean, Christ talks very clearly about what
00:35:10.200
should happen to those prelates who cause the least of his flock to sin. And it's that they should have
00:35:15.520
a, it would be better for them if they had a millstone tied around their neck and were cast
00:35:18.720
into the bottom of the sea. We should demand accountability. And this answer is just not
00:35:23.300
acceptable. Moving on, as I'll try to, I try to be measured when I'm talking about these ecclesial
00:35:28.940
things, but it's just unbelievable. This is a good way to feel better after watching big tech
00:35:38.120
implode, after watching our government implode, after watching the Catholic church not taking
00:35:41.940
responsibility for anything. This is very lovely. Jeffrey Jones. Jeffrey Jones was a regular character
00:35:50.940
in the latter seasons of the Cosby show. And he was always a good actor there. And so last week,
00:35:57.360
some wacko girl took photos of him at a Trader Joe's. He was working at a Trader Joe's and he,
00:36:05.820
she spread it. It was in the Daily Mail. It was going all over the place. So they're shaming this
00:36:10.900
guy for working an honest job. This is a totally honest job. Working at a store is a great thing.
00:36:16.180
He's contributing to his family. I know a lot of actors who don't work jobs.
00:36:19.080
Here is Jeffrey Owens explaining his reaction to it. I think this sums up the best of the American
00:36:27.540
I got to a point where, you know, I've been teaching, acting, directing for, for 30 plus years,
00:36:34.840
but, you know, got to a point where, you know, it, it just, it just didn't add up enough, you know,
00:36:40.660
and you got to do what you got to do. I, I wanted a job that I could have some flexibility,
00:36:44.680
try to stay in the business. I didn't advertise that I was, you know, you know, at Trader Joe's
00:36:52.940
only, but not that I was ashamed of it, but because I didn't want the entertainment community
00:36:56.760
to kind of decide, well, he's doing that. He's not in, you know, he's not pursuing acting anymore.
00:37:03.160
This makes perfect sense. This might not make sense to everybody, but having worked as an actor
00:37:07.280
before, you know, it, this does make sense to me. For those of you who can't see this, by the way,
00:37:12.140
Jeffrey Owens is wearing his Trader Joe's name tag and his Yale hat. He's a Yale-y,
00:37:17.960
Yale-y by alma mater, and he's wearing both of them at the same time. I love this. There is nothing
00:37:24.080
pretentious about this guy. He's working, as actors have to do, he's working a job in between
00:37:28.760
acting jobs because people who are even professional and working actors are almost never actually
00:37:35.860
working. A lot of the time, they're just sitting around waiting or going on auditions or whatever,
00:37:39.420
which doesn't pay a whole lot. Even when you book a gig for the vast majority of actors,
00:37:43.400
it does not pay a whole lot, which is why some of us have to stoop to take jobs at the Daily Wire
00:37:48.320
and write blank books. And I'm sorry, I was getting lost in my, my own head. And so he did this and
00:37:53.760
there's no shame in that. I know, I know actors, I kid you not, who go on the dole, who, who take
00:37:58.840
unemployment insurance or they take welfare checks. I have heard professional actors, professional
00:38:04.140
actors who have graduated from Yale refer to the welfare system as the public arts subsidy.
00:38:10.500
No shame, no shame whatsoever about taking their hand out from taxpayers because they want to do
00:38:15.680
their art, which doesn't have much demand in the marketplace. That's not what Jeffrey Owens did.
00:38:20.240
Jeffrey Owens, this is America, baby. He said, I'm going to go out, I'm going to pursue my dream.
00:38:24.840
I'm going to pursue this artistic form that I'm good at, that I've worked at a very,
00:38:28.540
very high level in, that I still work at, though at a, you know, less publicly than I did on this
00:38:34.520
big TV show. I'm going to keep pursuing all of that, that crazy American can do ambitious artistic
00:38:40.120
dream. And I'm going to work hard and I'm going to put money on the table because I have to support
00:38:44.700
my family and I have to be a responsible person. This is the best of America. He explains it even
00:38:49.960
more succinctly. I do want to say this, you know, that this business of my being this Cosby guy who got
00:38:57.100
shamed for working at Trader Joe's, that's going to pass. You know, that's going to, you know, in
00:39:03.020
some measure of time, that's going to pass away. But I hope what doesn't pass is this idea that
00:39:09.220
people are now thinking, this rethinking about what it means to work, you know, the honor of the
00:39:16.260
working person and the dignity of work. And I hope that this period that we're in now where we have a
00:39:21.420
heightened sensitivity about that and a reevaluation of what it means to work and that a reevaluation of
00:39:28.460
the idea that some jobs are better than others, because that's actually not true. There is no job
00:39:33.800
that's better than another job. It might pay better. It might have better benefits. It might look better
00:39:38.740
on a resume and on paper, but actually it's not better. Every job is worthwhile and valuable. And
00:39:46.760
if, if we have a, uh, you know, a kind of a rethinking about that because of what's happened
00:39:51.280
to me, um, uh, that would be great, but no one should feel sorry for me.
00:39:56.940
One hundred percent correct. That is so correct. That is so clear. He's, he's making his alma mater
00:40:03.340
proud, baby. I mean, that is so right. What a, what a terrifically accurate American idea and sense of
00:40:10.260
work. Adam in the garden was told to work before the fall. Work is not a punishment in the garden of Eden.
00:40:16.220
Adam was told to work. It is in our nature, in the best parts of our nature to work. Work is a good
00:40:21.740
thing. I see this a lot with actors. I've experienced this. Actors get lazy. They just
00:40:25.940
kind of loaf around. They wait for the phone to ring and whatever. And it's very depressing when
00:40:30.280
people are out of work, they get depressed. In part, it's because the money isn't coming in. In part,
00:40:34.940
it's because we are made to work. This is why people who retire and then don't do anything in
00:40:39.140
retirement decline very quickly. You have to do something in your retirement. You have to do something
00:40:43.900
with your time. And there is a dignity to work. There is no work that is bad. The, any job is
00:40:51.080
better than no job. There is no minimum wage. The minimum wage is not $15 an hour or $14 an hour.
00:40:56.380
It's $0 an hour. That's the true minimum wage. That's, that's the minimum wage that you got to get
00:41:01.100
out of. You've got to get some job. And there is, I mean, there is work that pays very well. And there
00:41:07.060
is, you know, as, as Jeffrey Owens was saying, there's work that pays, uh, far less well, but
00:41:12.500
the, the actual moral quality of that work is exactly the same. In some cases, the work that
00:41:18.260
pays less well can be more morally gratifying, perhaps, uh, depending on exactly what you're
00:41:23.500
doing, but work being productive, contributing to society, not being a lout or a lazy guy or a criminal
00:41:31.000
or do, you know, people who are actually contributing. That is a, an unqualified good.
00:41:36.500
And he's, uh, Jeffrey Owens is embodying that. He's articulating it very well. And, uh, it's a
00:41:41.540
great thing. He's a real, these days when actors and Yalies are bringing such shame to their institutions
00:41:47.220
and lines of work in the country, it is so good that one guy who is both of those things is, is making
00:41:52.940
it, uh, is really making his institutions proud. Very good stuff from Jeffrey Owens. Before we go,
00:41:58.240
I know we're running late, tough. We're always running late. I want to talk about this day in
00:42:03.780
history. This day in history in 1774 sheds a lot of light on our present situation as we are watching
00:42:10.840
the Kavanaugh crazy chaotic hearing. The Democrats are turning into a circus as we're watching the big
00:42:17.160
tech testimony, uh, as we're watching all of this grandstanding on this day in history in 1774,
00:42:23.120
the first continental Congress convened, uh, it convened at Carpenters Hall in Philadelphia,
00:42:28.240
there were 56 delegates there. Uh, Georgia didn't show up, but, uh, 56 delegates among those were
00:42:35.700
George Washington, John Adams, John Jay, Patrick Henry, great men, serious men. They created the
00:42:42.800
Continental Association. They didn't quite declare independence. It wasn't time for independence
00:42:47.080
yet. It was in response to the coercive acts, the intolerable acts from Britain. And, uh, this was a
00:42:53.220
response, but it was measured. It wasn't radical. It wasn't, uh, in, you know, some crazy immediately
00:42:58.340
revolutionary response. They, they also set a date for the second continental Congress in case the first
00:43:04.180
one didn't work and Britain didn't repeal the intolerable acts. These were serious men who were
00:43:10.180
going to this first continental Congress in a, in a way that really threatened their livelihoods,
00:43:16.300
threatened, uh, ultimately would threaten their lives at the second continental Congress,
00:43:19.740
which, uh, was to say, we are going to break, we are slowly or quickly going to break away
00:43:26.460
from domination by Great Britain. And they, they did this for their country. They did this for their
00:43:32.360
countrymen, for their families, for their states, for the colonies at that time, soon to be states,
00:43:37.620
uh, for human freedom, for, uh, higher ideals, for, for sovereignty. And, uh, they did what they had to
00:43:45.840
do and it was a real sacrifice. Uh, the early Congress after the constitution was ratified,
00:43:51.340
the early Congress was paid $6 a day, Congress and the Senate. They had to move it out of New York
00:43:56.280
because you can't live in New York on $6 a day, as many of them pointed out then. Uh, what, what has
00:44:02.460
changed from then until now? The early Congress convened for less than nine months out of the year,
00:44:08.040
the first Congress, less than nine months out of the year. They went on long recesses. They didn't
00:44:12.400
want to be in the summer heat. Um, now Congress is in session virtually all of the time. It's never
00:44:18.280
off. They're flying back and forth constantly, raising a ton of money in their districts.
00:44:22.780
It is a totally professionalized job. The early Congress was part-time work and you're supposed
00:44:27.320
to go and tend to your business interests at home. Now Congress is a full-time job. What has changed?
00:44:33.680
How did we get from the first Continental Congress of Washington, Jay, Adams, Henry, to the schmucks
00:44:41.100
that are running around the Capitol right now, creating havoc, breaking rules, trying to stop a,
00:44:46.260
a perfectly admirable Supreme Court justice nominee? How did we get there? Uh, Ben Sasse sums this up
00:44:53.940
very well during, uh, the Kavanaugh judiciary hearing. Here's Senator Sasse. Because for the last century
00:45:01.640
and increasing by the decade right now, more and more legislative authority is delegated to the
00:45:07.680
executive branch every year. Both parties do it. The legislature is impotent. The legislature is
00:45:14.560
weak. And most people here want their jobs more than they really want to do legislative work. And
00:45:19.400
so they punt most of the work to the next branch. Third consequence is that this transfer of power
00:45:25.060
means the people yearn for a place where politics can actually be done. And when we don't do a lot of
00:45:29.940
big actual political debating here, we transfer it to the Supreme Court. And that's why the Supreme Court
00:45:35.340
is increasingly a substitute political battleground in America. It is not healthy, but it is what
00:45:40.860
happens. And it's something that our founders wouldn't be able to make any sense of. And fourth
00:45:45.360
and finally, we badly need to restore the proper duties and the balance of power from our constitutional
00:45:51.640
system. Absolutely right. A totally correct diagnosis of what's happened in the country.
00:45:57.620
The Congress has given away all of its power to the executive branch, to the executive agencies,
00:46:02.660
to the alphabet soup, CDC, FDA, ABC, LGBTQ. I don't know. I'm losing my initialisms.
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They've delegated all of that power away so that you have the lawmaking being done out of the
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executive branch. And the reason they do that is, and by the way, in the cases that it's not made by
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the executive, the people who demand answers to their political questions put all of the pressure
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on the judiciary, which is why you get absurdly politicized hearings like the Kavanaugh nomination.
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The reason that Congress did that is because Congress has to answer to the people. The president
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has to answer to the electors every four years. The judiciary, the federal judiciary doesn't answer.
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They get appointed and they have life terms. And the Congress has to answer. The Senate every six
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years, the House every two years. So the House is very, very close to the people. And they fear that
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they won't be reelected. If they make laws, if they take a stand, if they take any courageous act,
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they'll be thrown out of office because the people won't understand that you have to do hard things.
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And so they get rid of that. It is easy just to blame Congress as an institution. I'm happy to do
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it a lot of the time. The Congress is us. The Congress is us. We did this. The American people did this.
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The Congress reflects the American people. It is the branch of the government that is most closely
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related to the people that is supposed to reflect the political appetites of the people. If there's
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the logos, the pathos, and the ethos, the logos, the logical part of the government is supposed to
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be the judiciary. The ethos, the spirited part of the government is the executive. And the pathos,
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the appetite, the feeling of the government is supposed to be the Congress, the legislature.
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And our feeling has become weak and immature and the American people are given way to base
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passions and irresponsibility and recklessness. Don't, it's so easy. We do this all the time
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in politics. We complain about this on Twitter. This is one of the big aspects of social media
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censorship is they're saying it's too mean. People are being too mean to each other, blaming everyone
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else for their problems. It was the Russians. It was the Macedonians. It was the this, it was that.
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No, it was you. Look at the man in the mirror. It is you. Before you pluck that little speck out of
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your brother's eye, pull that big giant tweet out of your own eye, that big iPhone out of your own
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eye. It is your fault. You are doing it. The way to improve the country, the way to improve the
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politics, and to improve the public square, and to improve our government is to improve yourself,
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to be more virtuous, to be better educated, to be more curious, to be more civil, to be more humble,
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to have therefore more wisdom. That's what you can do. You can, it's not about yelling
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in people's faces. It's not about blaming this guy or that guy or that guy. You can do that too.
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You can do, I mean, these people, the Congress does reflect us, so we should hold them accountable.
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We're, but we need to make sure that we are capable of self-government. And the more and more
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that we fall into this cycle of irresponsibility and blaming and, and bad education and, and
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misinformation, the less able we are going to be to control that government. So take a look at the
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man in the mirror, huh? I, I, I don't know that I've ever ended a show quoting Michael Jackson,
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but I didn't think that was how the show was going to end today. But take a look at the man in the
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mirror. Come back tomorrow so that we can do the mailbag. Get your mailbag questions in. In the
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meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you tomorrow.
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