Ep. 658 - Georgia On My Mind
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Summary
Trump is back on the campaign trail, this time in Georgia, trying to defeat a dangerous extremist who is radically opposed to your values. President Trump's opponent Raphael Warnock has openly declared his support for socialism, and has even praised Marxists all over the world.
Transcript
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President Trump is back on the campaign trail, this time in Georgia,
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trying to prevent Democrats from taking control of the Senate.
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Kelly's opponent, Raphael Warnock, is a dangerous extremist who is radically opposed to your values.
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He said he believes that, quote, nobody can serve God and the military. Oh, really?
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An appalling statement that dishonors the memory and generations of American heroes who fought for God and for our country.
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Raphael Warnock has openly declared his support for socialism, and he has even praised Marxists all over the world.
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He once hosted the barbaric communist dictator Fidel Castro. He likes Castro. He was a good man. He was a good guy, he said.
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He falsely slandered patriotic Americans as racists. He called police officers gangsters, thugs, and bullies.
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He supports abolishing cash bail. Look at what happened to New York with their cash bail.
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No cash bail, no bail. Don't worry about it. You killed somebody. Don't worry about it. You know, you're on the honor code.
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And that, frankly, that's only a fraction of the radicalism that we've seen from Warnock.
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This Georgia Senate race, these two Georgia Senate races, are going to be extraordinarily important because the Georgia races are not over.
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The presidential race is not even over. We've got updates on all of it. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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So, President Trump down in Georgia to help out with these Senate races.
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I hope that this can put an end to a canard that I've been hearing from critics of Donald Trump for the past several weeks.
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Namely, that Trump doesn't care at all about Republicans keeping the Senate.
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Namely, that Trump doesn't mind if Loeffler and Perdue lose in Georgia.
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Trump, contrary to what some lawyers who are helping Donald Trump have been saying,
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Trump has consistently told people to go vote in the Georgia races.
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He has not told people to sit out the Georgia races.
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He is also simultaneously pursuing legal recourse in the presidential race.
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It seems that there is one group of people that says we need to only focus on the presidential race.
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And there's another group of people that say we've got to hold the Senate.
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The other side wants Trump to concede prematurely.
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And I think that's what we should be doing too.
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The fact that President Trump is unwilling on today, December 7th, to concede the presidential race,
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a day which will live in infamy, according to the mainstream media, if Trump doesn't concede,
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this is driving these mainstream journalists crazy.
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Alex Azar, the HHS secretary, went on Fox News Sunday this weekend and talked to Chris Wallace,
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who you will remember did not appear to be very friendly to President Trump at that presidential debate.
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So he goes on and he's referring to President Trump and he's referring to former Vice President Joe Biden.
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Chris Wallace cannot tolerate that Alex Azar will not concede the race on behalf of Trump.
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If President Trump had worn a mask then and urged everyone to wear a mask then, back in April,
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the way Joe Biden is right now, wouldn't we be in much better shape?
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Well, Chris, I welcome Vice President Biden to the club.
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Since the middle of April, the president's guidelines for reopening.
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The president has called masks, patriotic acts.
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Every one of his top advisors, we are out there saying, wear your masks.
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You know, Chris, at one meter, if two people wear the masks, it can reduce viral transmission by 72%,
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We encourage people, please wear a mask when you can't engage in social distancing.
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But first of all, it's the president-elect Joe Biden, Secretary Azar.
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First of all, it isn't president-elect Joe Biden.
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Chris Wallace should have a warning label when he posts this clip on Facebook or on Twitter,
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saying that this claim is fake news, or at the very least, this claim is disputed.
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Had the election come out and the media declared the election for Joe Biden and then Donald Trump
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conceded, I guess it would be fair to call Joe Biden the president-elect, even though the electors
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This is a hotly contested presidential election.
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There were lawsuits working their way through courts, very likely up to the Supreme Court.
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And the electors have not voted, meaning that as a technical matter, we simply do not have
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But because no one's conceded this, because the election is disputed, there is no argument
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whatsoever for calling Joe Biden the president-elect unless you are a partisan who is trying to
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confuse the public about a debated and contested presidential election, which is obviously what
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This is something that very few people pointed out on Twitter.
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When Twitter had the line, it said, this claim is disputed.
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They only put that on President Trump's tweets.
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But a friend of mine, Jim O'Neill, pointed this out, that if a claim is disputed, then you
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ought to put the disputed label on both sides of the claim.
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So if Donald Trump comes out and says, we won this election, and Joe Biden comes out
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and says, we won this election, if the claim that Trump won is disputed, then that means
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But of course, the media don't want to do that, because when they say disputed, they mean
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When they say, sources have called this election differently, the sources they're referring to
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And they want to make themselves the official authority for this, even though they are not.
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But the courts have some authority here, the president has some authority if he were to
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concede, and the electors, of course, who will be voting not many days from now, have
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Also knocking down Chris Wallace's insistence that Joe Biden is the president-elect is the
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So just yesterday, this is some big news on the Trump legal front.
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Sam Alito, Supreme Court justice, asked officials in Pennsylvania to file briefs by tomorrow morning,
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by Tuesday morning, in response to an emergency injunction petition filed by Republicans seeking
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to invalidate or rescind the results of the November 3rd election in the Keystone State.
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So I just did an episode with Senator Cruz on our show, Verdict, about this issue.
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Of all of the claims of election fraud or illegality or unconstitutionality, the clearest example
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The Pennsylvania state constitution prohibits the use of widespread unsolicited mail-in ballots,
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the kind of ballots that we saw in this election.
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There are some narrow carve-outs, but you have to vote in person there.
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The legislature in Pennsylvania overrode this, and they said, no, you can vote by mail, widespread
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But the legislature does not have the authority to override the constitution.
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Now, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court came in, and in a highly partisan and indefensible
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opinion, said, oh, never mind, forget about the constitution, have your mail-in ballots,
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and enjoy however you're going to count them down there in Philly, guys.
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There is now a petition going to the US Supreme Court to invalidate those results because they
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However, there is a deadline for these things because we need to know where the electors are
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So initially, this deadline was going, or initially, rather, the Supreme Court was maybe going to
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What this seems to suggest is that the Supreme Court is going to weigh in on the election in
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Now, that wouldn't be enough to flip the presidential election.
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You'd also have to flip Georgia, and you'd have to flip Arizona.
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However, however, it's worth pointing out, it is not impossible.
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The Trump team is still pursuing their legal options.
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Actually, our friend Jenna Ellis, who is President Trump's lawyer, has come out and given news of
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And this could be the way, maybe the only way, to flip the votes in Georgia and Arizona, which
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is they need to prove that there was something fishy about the vote counting machines.
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We've heard all of these sorts of rumors going around about software, hacking, manipulation.
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Now we're going to find out whether that's legitimate or not, because we could get a forensic
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because this is maybe a little bit of a Hail Mary, but there is a chance that this could
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The big news coming out of Antrim County, Michigan this morning, Pete, is that a judge actually
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granted our team access to 22 of the Dominion voting machines for us to conduct a forensic
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So if you remember, this is the county that had the switch of 6,000 votes from President
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Trump to Joe Biden, and that was an unexplained and so-called glitch.
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And so our team is going to be able to go in this morning at about 830, and we'll be there
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for about eight hours to conduct that forensic examination, and we'll have the results in about
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And that'll tell us a lot about these machines.
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So we'll find out later this week if there is any substance to the claims that Dominion
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Now, this is happening because of a judge in Michigan.
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Of course, if there is some sort of systemic issue with the software, then that's going to
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affect the certification of the results in other states as well.
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Some people passionately believe that these voting machines were rigged.
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They see the glitches, such as thousands of ballots being flipped for somebody else.
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They see spikes in the count, and they say, this looks pretty fishy.
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They know that these electronic voting machines are vulnerable just by definition compared to
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So they look at that and they say, absolutely, there was a rigged election going on through
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Then there are other people who say, this is crazy.
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There's no chance that any of the machines were rigged.
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Now, as always in this election fight, there is an option between these two extremes.
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The option is, okay, if you're so convinced it's a conspiracy theory, let us go in and
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If you're so convinced this is, then don't wipe the machines.
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There was a judge order in Georgia not to allow people to wipe the Dominion voting machines
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Then we're going to go in there and take a look at what's going on in those machines.
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Likewise, for people who were convinced there was rigging, okay, if you're so convinced,
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Time is running out because we live in space and time, right?
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We don't, this isn't going to drag on for eight or 10 years.
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Frankly, even if there was fraud, if you can't prove it in the amount of time, it doesn't
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I often go back to the case of Lyndon Johnson, who stole his Senate seat in 1948.
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And we figured it out around 1990 for sure that he stole it.
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That's a moral victory, except he'd already served in the Senate.
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And he already transformed the country through his political career.
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So we're going to find out, as Jenna says, we should know within 48 hours.
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I'm more than happy to exercise the virtue of patience and say, we're going to see what
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More than happy to exercise the virtue of courage and resist calls to concede the election.
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Even if the mainstream media, even if the putatively conservative cable news channel is insisting
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that we do that and we'll let the legal process play out.
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One of President Trump's top legal advisors just got coronavirus.
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Rudy Giuliani has tested positive for coronavirus.
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You know, I mean, he's just an older guy who's a lawyer.
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You know, he's not a marathon runner or something.
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Well, a number of blue check marks, a number of liberal opinion makers, when this news came
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out, suggested it was BS, said it was a cover, that actually, look, Rudy's been flying all
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And multiple blue check marks have been suggesting this.
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The reason that they're saying he got it now is to kick him off the team because he's not
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I have no interest in hypothesizing and sort of going through this gossip mill.
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My only point on the blue check marks argument here is it undercuts their alarmism.
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If they're saying that actually Rudy Giuliani secretly got COVID months ago, but nobody knew
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Then why are we shutting down the world over this virus?
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If our fast food chomping, physical exercise eschewing, 74-year-old president gets the virus
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and recovers in three days, why are we shutting down the world over this virus?
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If the virus has a far greater than 99% survival rate, why are we shutting down the world over
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I think the left, and they do this a lot, they attack the conservative position from opposite
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They just use any cudgel they possibly can at their disposal.
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You know, either, they did this with George Bush, especially, they do it with Trump too.
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And that's why we've got to get him out of office.
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Also, he's the greatest evil genius KGB agent that's worked his way up through the sheer
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And that's why we've got to kick him out of office.
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They just throw them at the same time, especially with Donald Trump.
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They're saying coronavirus is, look, it's so irresponsible.
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All these people in the president's orbit have gotten coronavirus.
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That's why we've, we've got to shut down the country.
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And that's why we need to kick President Trump out of office.
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Those, those two justifications for different political ends on the left contradict one another.
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They, they don't realize that it cuts against their alarmist arguments.
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They don't realize how incoherent the lockdown measures appear.
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And it's not just conservatives and talking heads and Republican politicians.
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It's not, it's regular old people, people who own businesses, people who are in very blue places.
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California, la la land, especially under Mayor Garcetti's control, has locked down again.
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A friend of mine who works for a restaurant in LA said they, they invested $100,000 turning
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Meanwhile though, the pet projects of these politicians are allowed to continue undeterred.
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There was a woman in Los Angeles who stands to lose everything.
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She's a restaurant owner who points out that the politicians shut down her business, but
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they permitted almost an identical type of business to operate right next door.
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So this is my place, the Pineapple Hill Grill and Saloon.
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If you go to my page, you can see all the work I did for outdoor dining, for tables being seven
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And I come in today because I'm organizing a protest and I came in to get stuff for that.
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And I walk into my parking lot and obviously Mayor Garcetti has approved this.
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has approved this being set up for, this being set up for, for a movie company.
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So if, if you can't see this, this is an open area, giant tents, big tables because LA is a
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show business town and so they want to be able to make movies.
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And when you make movies, you need these areas for people to eat and hang out.
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So they set up functionally an outdoor restaurant right next to an outdoor restaurant.
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They say, no, the outdoor restaurant has to shut down, but the movie theater,
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the, the, the, or the movie production set may remain open.
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Well, I don't know because the restaurants spread coronavirus, but the movies do not.
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You might say, oh, those incompetent politicians.
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Many, many people are going to lose everything.
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Many, many, many people are going to be put out of work because these capricious politicians
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They can't let go of their ability to arbitrarily decide what succeeds and what fails and what
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people are allowed to do, which changes every hour of the day.
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And they set up a movie company right next to my outdoor patio, which is right over here.
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And people wonder why I'm protesting and why I have had enough.
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They have not given us money and they have shut us down.
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Mayor Garcetti and Gavin Newsom is responsible for every single person that doesn't have unemployment,
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that does not have a job, and all the businesses that are going under.
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This is maybe the most ridiculous example of this you've seen,
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but you've seen other examples of this from the beginning.
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Here, you have actually two of identical operations.
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And actually, if it's movies, it's probably being subsidized in part by the government.
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You're allowed to go out and riot for BLM, but you're not allowed to go to church.
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Because BLM and wokeism and political correctness is the established religion of the liberal state,
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and Christianity and Judaism are repressed and suppressed religions.
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You're not allowed to go to the politically incorrect religion.
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Garcetti has a pretty weak response to all of this.
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Garcetti says to the New York Times in response to this viral video,
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my heart goes out to Ms. Marsden and the workers at the Pineapple Hill Saloon who have
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to comply with state and county public health restrictions that close outdoor dining.
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No one likes these restrictions, but I do support them as our hospital ICU beds fill
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We must stop this virus before it kills thousands of more Angelenos.
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That's not an answer, buddy, because her problem isn't even that you've shut down the outdoor
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It's that you've only shut down some outdoor dining.
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You've shut down her outdoor dining, but then you've permitted other outdoor dining to crop
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No one is saying that if the policies were coherent, then we would have them.
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What we're saying is these policies are completely incoherent.
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The next day we're told you have to wear the masks.
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You certainly can't protest against the lockdown restrictions.
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The next day we're told you need to go gather en masse by the thousands to go protest for BLM
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We're told by these, these scoundrels like Eric Garcetti that we all have to make sacrifices.
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We all, look, we all have to, these politicians do not believe in this.
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They don't abide by their own mandates and they don't fear the virus.
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If they feared the virus, then Gavin Newsom wouldn't go to the French laundry and yuck
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it up with all his buddies, shoulder to shoulder, no masks indoors, and then come out and pretend,
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Nancy Pelosi wouldn't show up maskless to her hair salon.
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Chris Cuomo wouldn't pretend to be quarantining with the virus, actually go bike riding in the
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Hamptons, get into a fight with one of his neighbors because one of his neighbors made
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fun of him, called him out for lying on television, then lie about it on TV again.
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All of these people, Fauci wouldn't be caught with his mask down time and time again.
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They do not fear the virus in the alarmist way that they are trying to get you to fear the
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So obviously the left has been pushing fear from the very beginning here.
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They don't believe their own warnings, but now some liberals are going even further, right?
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What they're suggesting is that it's unpatriotic.
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Pete Davidson, he's the guy who made fun of Dan Crenshaw on SNL.
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Pete Davidson just advanced this line of argument also on Saturday Night Live, where he said,
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it's people who aren't wearing the masks, who aren't abiding by the arbitrary and capricious
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I take it that you found these protests frustrating.
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You know, you know, it's bad when even people in Boston are like, ah, drink at home, you queers.
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And do you think that people should stay at home until the pandemic gets better?
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Everyone wants to go have fun, but there's plenty of stuff you could do at home.
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So then at the end, it's a callback to a sex toy, but it's a, it's a non sequitur, right?
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And it's, it's something you see often in left-wing humor is when they run out of the point,
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they just go to something grotesque and usually sexual, but it's not, it doesn't follow.
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It doesn't, there's no, there's no payoff there.
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And even what is, what is the, I mean, the argument is stay home alone and that will make
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Don't go out and see people because going out and socializing and living your life and not
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Very rarely has it been funny over the past 20, even 25 years.
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But this, I don't even think left-wingers would suggest that this bit was funny.
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And the reason it's not funny is because it's divorced from reality.
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When people watch something that's funny, what's, what's the line that you'll often hear people
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But when it's, when something rings so obviously false, then it isn't funny because it's all
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An ideology is this abstraction that tries to recreate reality.
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And the less connected the ideology is from reality, the less it will resonate with you
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So this left winger shows up to a Trump rally and harasses the Trump supporters.
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I would, yeah, you should wear one because there's a, there's a global pandemic going
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But you could infect somebody else and they could get sick.
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Will you please wear, will you please wear one?
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Dude, he's, he's pathetic and unmanly, but he's also, he's also deceitful and dishonest
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because on the one hand, how to abase yourself to get down, I'm begging you, please wear the
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And that guy, that just extremely cool Trump supporter, she's like, nah, well, the masks,
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So you, no, the masks, it's not that the masks protect the wearer, the masks protect
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Okay, so if that guy really believed that, if that liberal TikToker really believed that
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one, this virus was extraordinarily deadly, and he, a apparently healthy millennial, was
00:35:25.680
at great risk from this virus, and B, that the masks don't protect the wearer, the only
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way the wearer of the mask is protected is if everyone else is wearing the masks, then
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this guy basically just walked into a, a hive of poison, right?
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Because he, the whole point of the video is he's going to show up and all these Trump supporters
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are not going to be wearing masks, and he's going to beg them, please wear the masks.
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But that means that he would have to think that he's, he's walking to his death, because
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we know the virus is going to kill everybody, right?
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We know that if, if someone else is not wearing the mask, then you, no matter whether you're
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When they get down and they pester you and they bother you and they fly across the country
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to go find you to pester you, what they're trying to do is get you to acquiesce to their
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It's just a pure power play by people who are even willing to abase themselves to do
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Some people, manly people, are ignoring these sorts of rules.
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Sheriff Don Barnes in Orange County, California, the great orange hope of that state, says,
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quote, the ever-changing nature of these orders and the increase of COVID-19 case numbers
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bring additional uncertainty and stress to California residents.
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The Orange County Sheriff's Department will remain consistent in our approach.
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Orange County Sheriff's deputies will not be dispatched to or respond to calls for service
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to enforce compliance with face coverings, social gatherings, or stay-at-home orders only.
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Deputies will respond to calls for potential criminal behavior and for the protection of life
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Our actions remain consistent with the protection of constitutional rights.
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In other words, Gavin Newsom, two words, and they're not happy birthday.
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Resisting this kind of scientifically and medically illiterate overreach, outrageous overreach.
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What happens when the left runs out of even its own flimsy arguments to get you to comply
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That's how you know that you've won the argument, is when a left winger calls you a racist,
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or a sexist, or a misogynist, and a Chicago teachers union is exhibiting all three of those
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This is a teachers union represents 28,000 teachers and support staff in Chicago schools.
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From the very beginning, even the experts, the public health experts have said, there's
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The transmission of the virus from the kids to other kids, and then from the kids to
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their parents and grandparents is relatively quite low.
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There's absolutely, even the experts said, no scientific reason to keep them closed.
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But the teachers don't want to go back to work.
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Teachers unions are fighting to keep the schools closed, because the teachers unions work for
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the teachers, not the students, and not the parents.
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They don't have any argument anymore to keep the schools closed.
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So they tweet out yesterday, the push to reopen schools is rooted in the state.
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And I think this teachers union actually is teaching something.
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They're teaching students how to make up excuses that in this politically correct culture are
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So, you know, a student could read that and justifiably come home and say, you know,
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mom, the push to make me finish my broccoli is rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny.
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You know, the push to make me do my homework, that push historically, it is rooted in racism,
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There's no way, there's no way to refute this stupid declaration other than to laugh at it.
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But I think I'm going to start employing that too.
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The push to keep the schools closed is rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny.
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Now, they cry racism, they cry sexism, they cry misogyny on the left.
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But then they seem to change their tune when the races or the sexes change.
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So, from the beginning, we've been told the conservatives are science deniers.
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You've got these wacky liberals getting down on their knees to Trump supporters.
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Now, Jake Tapper brings up this issue with a public health expert and says, what happens
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when certain people refuse to take the vaccine?
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A new Pew Research poll out on Friday suggests that less than half of black Americans say
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they will get a coronavirus vaccine if one were available today.
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I want you to take a listen to 52-year-old Carmen Bailey from Cleveland, Ohio.
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We don't know any kind of side effects from them.
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So, I just really feel like at this point, it's people that's going to take that vaccine
00:41:05.380
Tapper must be salivating at how he's going to rip this woman.
00:41:09.500
You know, frankly, to me, she seems somewhat reasonable.
00:41:12.280
She's skeptical of the experts who have gotten everything wrong, and she's skeptical of the
00:41:15.280
government, which is usually deceitful and duplicitous.
00:41:19.700
Jake Tapper hates these anti-science, anti-vax people.
00:41:27.380
There was an op-ed, actually, that came out in USA Today, said that the COVID spreaders
00:41:36.180
He's going to say, this dumb science, she's probably a Trump supporter.
00:41:39.920
This woman has no reason to oppose the vaccine.
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Now, this doesn't, this kind of skepticism doesn't occur in a vacuum.
00:41:49.280
The U.S. has an ugly racist history when it comes to science and medicine and black Americans.
00:41:53.620
How specifically does Operation Warp Speed intend to address this skepticism, especially
00:41:59.900
the disproportionate skepticism in the black community?
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Jake, you've been telling me from the beginning of this ridiculous lockdown that if I in any
00:42:11.560
way question the lockdown, I am a science denier.
00:42:14.380
I am a, I'm a wicked, dumb, stupid, uneducated person who's endangering everybody else.
00:42:22.260
But then this lady comes out and says exactly the same thing.
00:42:29.960
We should all be skeptical just because she has a different skin color than I do.
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So, you know, it's a little bit more in the middle.
00:42:42.120
And Sicilians have had a difficult history in this country, as we all know.
00:42:46.660
That exposes for me the last hint of coherence.
00:42:53.560
Because at least the one thing they had been talking about from the beginning on the left,
00:42:57.680
Cuomo had been saying, believe science, follow the experts.
00:43:00.440
That was the, that was sort of the last bastion.
00:43:04.660
They don't even believe that you have to follow the experts.
00:43:07.740
If you have the right skin color, or if you have, if you have the right genitals,
00:43:11.660
then you're allowed to think whatever you want.
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There is no reason to listen to a word that these people say.
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There's no reason to follow a single one of their capricious rules.
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Before we go, speaking of extremes and skepticism and nuance, I can't believe I have to say this.
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There was an op-ed in the New York Times that I somewhat enjoyed.
00:43:40.360
I, I almost want to end the show right there before I, I don't, I hate that I have to say that.
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But Nick Kristof in the New York Times published an op-ed that I sort of enjoyed.
00:43:54.260
Why does Canada allow this company, Pornhub, I guess the largest, I think the largest porn company in the world.
00:44:02.700
Why does, why does Canada allow this company to profit off videos of exploitation and assault?
00:44:10.660
Pornhub prides itself on being the cheery, winking face of naughty,
00:44:13.880
the website that buys a billboard in Times Square and provides snow plows to clear Boston streets.
00:44:18.480
It donates to organizations fighting for racial equality and offers steamy content free to get
00:44:24.520
people through COVID-19 shutdowns. That supposedly wholesome Pornhub attracts 3.5 billion visits per
00:44:29.920
month. Oh my gosh. More than Netflix, Yahoo, or Amazon. Pornhub raises, or rakes in money from
00:44:36.780
almost 3 billion ad impressions a day. One ranking lists Pornhub as the 10th most visited website in
00:44:41.780
the world. Yet there's another side to this company. It's infested with rape videos.
00:44:45.760
It monetizes child rapes, revenge pornography, spy cam videos of women showering,
00:44:50.060
racist and misogynist content, and footage of women being asphyxiated in plastic bags.
00:44:54.620
A search for girls under 18, no space, or 14-year-old, or 14YO leads in each case to more
00:45:01.720
than 100,000 videos. Most aren't of children being assaulted, but too many are. You get the point.
00:45:06.660
This brings us back to a debate that actually started last December, and it kind of split the
00:45:12.100
right. What to do about the online porn problem. You had people who, in the name of a very degraded
00:45:19.680
and shallow understanding of libertarianism, said, nah, porn's great. George Washington and Thomas
00:45:24.460
Jefferson would love it. They basically wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution so
00:45:29.440
that we could all watch videos of this trash, this wicked and debased stuff. And so we got to keep
00:45:37.680
porn, no regulations. And then you had another side saying, we need to ban porn. Just ban it.
00:45:42.520
This is obviously horrible stuff. Just ban the porn right now. And this debate ensued. And
00:45:55.360
It gets to a lot of our public debates right now. Actually, right to the top of the show,
00:45:58.780
we were talking about, do you defend Trump or do you defend Georgia? How about both? How about you do
00:46:03.880
both? How about you allow Trump to pursue his legal options and encourage him to pursue his legal
00:46:08.320
options and don't encourage him to concede? And then how about you also try to hold the Senate by
00:46:13.380
voting for those two Georgia senators? Why can't you do both? I think on the porn debate,
00:46:19.360
we can acknowledge there is no constitutional right to pornography. Pornography has been
00:46:26.240
highly regulated, if not outright illegal, from the very beginning of the country. We still have laws
00:46:31.600
against obscenity. We jailed pornographers as recently as a dozen years ago. The founding
00:46:37.700
fathers made a very clear distinction between liberty and licentiousness. Okay. And they did not
00:46:43.400
support licentiousness. And they realized that licentiousness like Pornhub is the opposite of
00:46:48.280
true liberty, that it actually undermines liberty. Okay. That's, that's the one hand. On the other hand,
00:46:52.500
from the banned porn people, I think it's also worth remembering that conservatives are prudent.
00:46:57.880
We have a practical quality to ourselves. It is not possible to eliminate lust from the heart of man.
00:47:05.080
It's also not possible to eliminate the expressions of that lust. This is why the, the, some of the
00:47:10.520
greatest theologians and moral thinkers in history, St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas actually defended
00:47:15.920
legal prostitution, not because they thought legal prostitution was a good thing, but because they
00:47:20.240
acknowledged that it's the world's oldest profession. It actually predates politics just barely. I guess you
00:47:25.180
might say it's a form of politics. The two seem very similar. And Augustine and Thomas's point was that
00:47:32.320
if you eliminated prostitution entirely, the, the entire civilization would be convulsed with lust.
00:47:38.360
And so what you had to do is regulate it, you know, put, put it in one area, a red light district,
00:47:43.760
for instance, and treat it seriously as the danger that it is, but also recognize that it's
00:47:49.540
impractical, impractical, probably impossible to get rid of it entirely. Why can't we have that
00:47:54.980
conversation? I think once we eliminate the kind of stupid idea that we have a natural or
00:47:59.960
constitutional right to look at porn, and we also eliminate the imprudent and impractical idea that
00:48:05.740
you can utterly eliminate porn, we can have a real conversation, which is that this is obviously a
00:48:10.680
major problem confronting the country. You've got, well, especially in this generation, you've got
00:48:16.040
kids who have been exposed to this, young boys from very early age, they get hooked on it. It warps
00:48:22.000
their brain. It warps their lives. It creates an addiction that a lot of people want to get away
00:48:27.040
from. How about you can look at the number of people in this country. I think there was some
00:48:32.160
study that said 93 or 94% of men have looked at online pornography. And of course the typical rejoinder
00:48:39.580
to that is, and 6% of men are liars. You know, this is, it basically is a ubiquitous problem.
00:48:44.720
So how about you deal with that and say, yeah, this is, this is bad. This is, this is different
00:48:50.160
than having a Playboy under your bed in the 1970s. This is the, the ubiquity of it, the ease of use,
00:48:55.620
the, the stimulation of it is, is a, is a distinct problem. And then heavily regulate it. You know,
00:49:00.760
if I wanted to go buy a Playboy down the street, I would have to go and show an ID.
00:49:06.080
Why do we not have the same mechanism for online porn, like, like a website like Pornhub?
00:49:11.760
To say, we're not going to completely outlaw the thing, but you have to, you have to upload an ID
00:49:17.360
because in that case, it's not just saying only adults can get it. I actually don't think adults
00:49:21.940
should be able to easily access it either. It introduces an element of shame. You have to
00:49:26.280
show an ID and therefore you're saying, I am openly going to be looking at this kind of material,
00:49:31.820
which is very shameful. That would reduce the number of people who do it. Now you might have
00:49:36.340
people making fake IDs. You might have people getting around the rules. Sure. Okay. Right.
00:49:41.220
But as, as conservatives, especially, we should know better than anybody that you can't let the
00:49:47.260
perfect get in the way of the good. You can't let ideological purity get in the way of practical
00:49:52.500
results. You can't let these abstractions get in the way of prudence. If you could reduce this
00:49:59.540
problem, a problem that's so bad that even left-wingers in the freaking New York Times
00:50:04.420
are observing it now. It's not just the church ladies, you know, wagging their fingers. It's not
00:50:09.920
just Puritans and prudes wagging their fingers. Everybody is recognizing this is a problem.
00:50:16.160
Why not arrive at a sort of prudent solution? That, that is a central conservative insight is
00:50:22.480
prudence. And I think we ought to apply it to fraught public policy issues here.
00:50:26.700
This is why I often encourage people not to cling to ideology, you know, in the way that some people
00:50:32.880
just, they break their politics down into three bullet points and they say, no, liberty means
00:50:37.580
that I need to go look at porn all the time. No, it doesn't. Obviously it doesn't. And this applies
00:50:42.240
to the presidential race too. Go win in Georgia. Go, go win at the presidential level. At least try.
00:50:49.880
There's no reason not to try. And there's nothing admirable or virtuous about prioritizing that
00:50:56.340
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