Ep. 711 - Tiger King Country
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Summary
A gay, polyamorous California couple became the first family in the state to list three parents on a birth certificate, and it's a story you don't want to miss. Guest: Dr. Ian Jenkins, Jeremy Hodges, and Dr. Alan Mayfield.
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Three perverts have become the first throuple of men all to be listed on a baby's birth
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certificate. How? Which one of them went through labor? Which one pushed? It's a little complicated.
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Buckle up for the most disturbing story that you have heard since Tiger King.
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I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment from yesterday is from OldSchooled,
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who points out that the left says, Mother Earth gives us life. And the left also says,
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not all people who give birth are women. That's true. You currently have a very famous Catholic
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priest misgendering God himself. So surely we can misgender Mother Earth. Maybe it's Daddy Earth.
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Maybe, maybe Earth is not just a single mother or daddy, but a throuple. Maybe we're the child of
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this inanimate earthly, I don't know. It's very, very complicated childbirth these days and being
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K-N-O-W-L-E-S, to save 25% off. I did not believe this headline when I first saw it. I assumed that this
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was a sensationalist headline and that the story would actually be a little more anodyne than the
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headline would make it out to be, but actually it's the opposite. The story just gets worse and worse
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worse than more you read it. Headline in the New York Post, rather. Gay polythruple makes history
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lists three dads on the birth certificate. A gay polyamorous California thruple, I'd have to say,
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the only part of this story that I don't hate is the word thruple because it's kind of funny.
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The reality, not so funny, but the word, it's funny to say, thruple. A gay polyamorous California
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thruple made history in 2017 when they became the first family in the state to list three parents
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on a birth certificate. Their reproductive journey and legal battle to become fathers to Piper,
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now three, is detailed in Three Dads and a Baby, out March 9th, written by one of her dads,
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Dr. Ian Jenkins. These three perverts' names are Ian Jenkins, Jeremy Hodges, and Dr. Alan Mayfield.
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Doctors. So they're all, look, they're very elite people. They're, they're experts. They're,
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there's no reason to question their degenerate behavior. They don't see their family, which now
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also includes their son Parker, as unusual. Look, it's not a big deal, okay? And then they go on and
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explain why this kind of child abuse is not a big deal. Love is love, right? Love is love.
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Love is love. By the logic of love is love, this makes some sense. I said this at the time when
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people were talking about redefining marriage and they were trying to turn it from a basic question
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about the nature of marriage to a question about civil rights and what you hate gay people and what
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you're a mean old guy or something. I, I said by the logic that is being pushed here, there is no
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limiting principle. Scalia made this point too. I mean, the conservatives at the, the actual
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conservatives at the time of the Obergefell decision made this point. They say this has
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nothing to do with animus for anybody because of sexual desires or anything like that. We're simply
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asking what is marriage? If marriage has gone from being a natural union of husbands and wives for the,
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for the sort of telos of family creation, procreation, uh, the basic political institution, if it,
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if it goes from that and then you take away the entire telos, the entire purpose of that, the,
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the entire, uh, historical understanding of marriage and the natural purpose of it,
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and it just means love is love, then there's no reason that it should only include two people.
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Forget the, even the question of men or women, it, there's no limiting principle. You could have
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10 people in a marriage if it's all, if it's all just about love is love and look, they
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love having a baby. So what are you going to limit that? What are you selfish? This also
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shows the question to be a complete, completely ridiculous argument when sometimes you'll hear
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mostly libertarians, but sometimes conservatives will say this. They'll say, look, I don't want
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the government involved in marriage anyway. The government is involved in marriage in part,
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not least of all to prevent this kind of child abuse, but the government failed to prevent that
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kind of child abuse. Sure. Because conservatives and libertarians basically pulled away from the
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entire debate and said, we don't want to use the government. We don't want to use our political
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power. We don't think that we should stop the left from running roughshod over our culture anyway.
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So we've just handed the reins of power over to the left. We shouldn't be surprised when they abuse
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that power, but the state obviously has a role in this. If the family is the basic political
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institution, then obviously any political organization from the local to the national level is going to have
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some interest in that institution. This is the most selfish thing I have seen maybe ever,
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certainly the most selfish big news story I've seen ever. Some people are saying, Michael, you don't
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know if the child's going to be abused. You don't, and I'm not saying that the, the guys are all like
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the Marquis de Sade and they're all going to start doing all sorts of heinous things to the baby.
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I'm saying this is the abuse. This, the whole thing is the abuse.
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Initially, what, what it seemed like these three people were going to do, these three men,
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was that they were going to adopt a fertilized embryo. So a little, little miniature baby that
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are, that was frozen through various other bioethically, not totally sound reproductive
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practices. And so they were going to adopt it, implant it into a surrogate, rent some woman's
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womb, have the baby grow. And then, uh, that would be the baby. And that would, that would be bad
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enough, but it actually is a bioethically different question because the embryo already existed. The baby
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was already created and then thrown in a freezer, like happens all too often today. But then that
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didn't work. According to this story, the, they tried that a few times and the babies died,
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basically the little tiny embryos died. And so what they did was their quote, a friend named Megan
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came to the rescue and donated her eggs to the trio. So what these guys did was they went out
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and they created a baby for the express purpose of denying that child the ability to know her mother
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ever, and then to be raised in a perpetual orgy. That's what they, love is love, right?
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This is the real tiger. I don't mention it only because I think this should be illegal and these
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men should be in prison in a just society, obviously not in our society, but in a just society,
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that would be the case. But that's not the only reason I mentioned it. The reason I mentioned it
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has a broader cultural and political point. This is Tiger King. What the dominant liberal elite wants
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us to believe is that Tiger King, you know, the, the kind of the, the kind of crazy behavior and the
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sexual bizarre arrangements and all this kind of selfishness that that happens on a, on a tiger
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farm in Florida, you know, it's Florida man. It's the guy, Joe exotic with the mullet and he talks funny
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and he smokes a lot of meth or whatever. And he's in a, he's in this exact relationship. He's in this
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sort of gay throuple. Uh, no, the real Tiger King culture happens with our elites. These guys are,
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these are medical doctors, right? I think so. Maybe they're just using the term doctor a little
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more broadly than that, but you've got two doctors. These guys have advanced education.
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They seem to be fairly well off because these processes are pretty expensive.
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They are engaging in, in far more egregious behavior than any Florida man like Joe exotic ever did.
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The depravity of our culture does not come from the deplorable, irredeemable, bitter clinging people
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in the middle of the country who voted for that fascist Trump. The depravity, far greater depravity
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comes from the liberal elite that pretends to be so much better than us that tells us how to live
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our lives. Think of the children is an overused line and it is often exploited by demagogues.
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So I try to avoid the line. You know, I don't want to sound like the lady in the Simpsons.
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Well, somebody please think of the children. However, there are some circumstances
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where you actually need to think of the children. Think of what a selfish monster you have to be
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to do this to a baby. I mean, I'm saying, I'm now seeing a baby like quite a lot and the baby's
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keeping me up quite a lot. A baby has an, a right to his parents. Sometimes, you know, obviously kids
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are in bad circumstances and kids can be adopted in certain ways. Let's not forget, of course, that
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there are something like 32 couples trying to adopt for every baby up for adoption in the United
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States. But this is a totally different, to create a baby, to deny the baby his mother, to put them,
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to put these babies into this bizarre, selfish sexual situation. Absolutely outrageous. Tommy
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Tuberville, new Republican Senator, made this point on the Senate floor. He said, you know, there,
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there are times in this country, even if the line is overused, when you do have to think of the
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children. We've got to start teaching our young people moral values again. That starts with putting
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God in prayer back in our schools. Our kids need structure and they need to learn right from wrong.
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I've watched everything that has happened in education over the past few decades. From a front row seat
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on my sideline as a coach, it's embarrassing. As a person who chooses to spend their career in
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education, I now have the opportunity to say something as a United States Senator. Our young
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people are our number one hope for this country's future. If we don't recognize that, we're going to
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lose our country as we know it. So what Tommy Tuberville is saying here, it's not some emotionally
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manipulative play. He's just, he's stating a truism, right? The children, the children are the future
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in as much as we're born, we grow, we die. And then the next generation rinses and repeats, right?
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So when you look, I've been saying this for years, when you look at a university campus, it's not like
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that's some little zoo and then the kids are going to get fixed when they get into the real world.
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You're looking at the future. You're looking at a crystal ball for your country.
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So if children are educated to exercise their moral conscience, practice the virtues, learn their
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nation's history, love their country, and develop their faculties of higher learning, their higher
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reason, that is going to lead to one kind of a country, a good country. If, on the other hand, kids are
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not taught even sort of the rudimentary things that will help develop their faculties of reason,
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and they're also taught a bunch of cockamamie left-wing theories about how terrible their
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country is and about how awful conservatives are or something and how awful the founding fathers are,
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if they're taught that they can't even discern right and wrong, that you can't trust your moral
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conscience, if you're taught that you can't make judgments from the natural world, you can't make
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ethical judgments, then you're going to have a different kind of country. You're going to have
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Tiger King country, which these three perverts are showing us pretty clearly. If you want to listen,
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If children are the future, unfortunately, we're getting some bad news from the schools because the
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schools are going in the other direction. They are totally failing students. That is nothing new,
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but they're actually accelerating the, their efforts to fail students and therefore fail our nation's
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future. This from Boston public schools, canceling advanced classes because why? Because of COVID? No,
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it's actually not because of COVID. Because of some issue with the curriculum? No, it's not the curriculum.
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Boston public schools are canceling the advanced classes because the students who make it into those
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classes are considered too white and too Asian. Fourth, fifth, and sixth graders will not be accepted
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into advanced placement classes in Boston for the next year because most of the students, a majority of
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the students are white or Asian. This program, it's called the advanced work classes, will suspend
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enrollment because of, quote, concerns about equity. This is what we have been told. This has become a cliche
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about the left, that the left wants not to bring up the people who are not doing as well, but they want to bring
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down the people who are doing well. And in this case, they're doing it through a process of explicit racial
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discrimination. And they'll, they'll defend it because they have these theories about white supremacy and
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they tell people that white people are bad and they, they push a sort of national ideology, a governing
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ideology of white guilt. But what about the Asians? You know, even if let's just say that the ideology
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of white guilt is so ingrained that it's going to be really hard to fight against it and it's evil,
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but you can understand why this sort of thing is being allowed in schools. What did the Asians ever
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do? There's no ideology of Asian supremacy or Asian guilt. Why do these kids not get to go to their
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advanced classes? Because other students of other races don't do as well on the placement tests.
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Why are you going to punish the kids? Why are you going to hold them back? That is a national
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pathology. John Brennan, who didn't, I think he voted for a communist for president once.
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Seriously, I'll, I'll have to double check that. I always, I always confuse Brennan and Clapper,
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but this guy really awful, awful sort of Obama era official. Brennan goes on MSNBC and
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describes the guilt that he feels, the shame that he feels, not for all the terrible things he did and
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all the stupid opinions he holds. No, he feels the guilt and shame because of his race and his sex.
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Well, I must say to Claire's point, I'm increasingly embarrassed to be a white male these days in light
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of what I see of my other white males saying. Wow. Oh my gosh. So brave. Wow. So brave. And you can see
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this woman, she's one of the worst on MSNBC. I forget her name. Is it Nicole Wallace?
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She's just giggling. Oh yes. That's right. Talk more about those awful white men. Oh, we have to
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take them and throw, defenestrate them. We need to throw them bodily out of our country
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in the name of racial and sexual equality. Pathetic. It's very pathetic. Uh, John Brennan is a, a pathetic
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man. Uh, but, uh, it's not just him who holds this view. This has become a part of the national
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narrative. The, the, the, this, this idea that, uh, men are bad and white people are bad has really
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broken into the mainstream from the fringes of the left. Now it's, it's pretty, pretty mainstream.
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This narrative has been growing for a while and it's, it's the, it's sort of the lens through which
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we see a lot of our, our political history. Barack Obama actually worked this kind of racial
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narrative into his biography from his earliest days. He's now doing this absolutely insufferable
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podcast with Bruce Springsteen, which is somehow those two guys bad enough in themselves make each
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other worse. Somehow the, the sum is worse than the individual parts. But Barack Obama was describing
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at this time that he was in, in school in Hawaii and some kid called him a racial slur and he broke
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his nose. When I was in school, I had a friend, we played basketball together and one time we got in a
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fight and he called me a c**. Now, first of all, ain't no c**s in Hawaii, right? So, you know, it's one of those
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things where he might not even know what a c**. What he knew was, I can hurt you by saying this.
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And I remember I popped him in the face and broke his nose and we were in the locker room.
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Well done. And suddenly blood's pouring down and it was just reactive. I just, I said, what?
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And I popped him and he said, why'd you do that? And I explained to him, I said, don't you ever call
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me something like that? Okay. Uh, Alex, I'll take, uh, things that never happened for 500,
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please. Uh, I'm not saying nothing like this ever happened, but politicians have a habit of
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exaggerating stories over time. Uh, Obama in particular, Biden for sure does that.
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Barack Obama already told a version of this story in his first book, which was actually a pretty good
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book. Dreams from my father have to hand it to him. I wouldn't, I'm not saying run out to the store
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and go read it, but it's better than the other stuff he's written and said in his career. And in
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that version of the story, he just gave the kid a bloody nose. Now you see it's being heightened.
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He broke his nose. Okay. All right, fine. Maybe, maybe something like this happened.
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This narrative, because the kid said a racial slur, everyone's reaction to that is, well,
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that's, that's justified. And I actually sort of think if someone really starts using fighting words,
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the sort of thing, uh, one, one has their limits on what they're going to take and a culture that
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understands chivalry and honor once understood that William F. Buckley Jr. is as mainstream a
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conservative as ever there was, uh, had been called a Nazi by Gore Vidal for the umpteenth time on
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national television. And he famously said, using a slur, not for black people, but for homosexuals,
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he said, uh, listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto Nazi or I'll smash you in your face and
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you'll stay plastered too. So, uh, you know, even, even as mainstream a conservative as that would,
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would say, yeah, there are limits. Don't, don't use these fighting words. The, the point though,
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that Obama makes that I think is really important here is the kid didn't call Obama that word
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because the kid hates black, hated black people. Right. And Obama's admitting that he, he makes
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this point. He says, there ain't no slurs for black people in Hawaii. If you're in Hawaii,
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you're kind of in a different social milieu. It's just a different context.
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The kid called Obama that word, whether in Obama's fantasies or whether some event like
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that happened in real life, because the kid was angry at Obama and he knew that that word would
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hurt him. I, I have on rare occasion there, you know, Italians don't get called a lot of slurs in
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America anymore. They used to, they don't really anymore. Uh, unless you're Chris Cuomo and you get
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called Fredo and you pretend that that's a, an Italian slur. Uh, but there have been a couple
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of times in my life I've been called an Italian slur. And I don't think it's because the people
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who called me that hate Italians. I don't think people really harbor deep seated hatred for Italians
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really anymore. Uh, they called me that cause I did something that they didn't like, or they were
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just angry at me. And so they said, okay, what can I hit on? I can attack him for being a dude. I can
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attack him for being Italian. I can attack him for being just so, so handsome. I don't know. I don't know
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it was going through their mind. This I think is very important when we talk about racism and this
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ism and that ism. Not everything is a systemic institutional problem. Sometimes people just
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don't like you and they're going to try to hurt you and that's wrong, but it doesn't speak to a
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broader pathology or a broader bigotry in this country. And I think that as masculinity is also now
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castigated as toxic, people are losing sight of this. Men talk to each other in a rough way and
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sometimes they're earnestly rough and sometimes they're jokingly rough. I remember one time I was
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in college and in my suite, you know, all the guys with different rooms kind of connected to a common
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room. We were all just, we were mean to each other, but we were good, very good friends. We were all
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saying mean things to each other. One time there was a young lady who was visiting our suite
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and she heard the way we talked to each other. She said, oh my gosh, do you hate each other?
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I said, why are we talking about? We're good friends. We're better friends than most people
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on this campus. That is something I think important to keep in mind because we're about to hear a whole
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lot about institutional racism and systemic bigotry because the trial of Derek Chauvin,
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the police officer who was involved in the death of George Floyd, that's about to take place in
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Minneapolis. And the city of Minneapolis seems to be gearing up for World War III. I mean, you thought
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that what they did at the Capitol in Washington DC after the January 6th riot was intense. They are
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locking this place down in Minneapolis as though it is a fortress. Why? Because maybe the facts of the
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case are going to show that the BLM narrative that justified burning down cities around the country for
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six or eight months, maybe that narrative wasn't totally true.
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The Hennepin County District Court in Minneapolis, which will be holding the trial of the officer
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involved in the death of George Floyd has been quote, ringed with concrete barriers, security fencing
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and barbed wire. There is increased security in the area, including the Minneapolis police, Hennepin County
00:26:07.580
sheriff's deputies, Minnesota state troopers, and the National Guard. What does this mean? It means they think
00:26:14.080
that the cop is going to get off, right? If the cop is going to have the book thrown at him, they're not going
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to need all this stuff. Maybe they will. Maybe there will be riots of celebration. But it seems to me all this
00:26:25.280
security measures, all of these measures suggest that the narrative we were told about George, St. George Floyd,
00:26:33.000
who, I think the narrative being pushed by the mainstream media was George Floyd, he wasn't on drugs at the time.
00:26:40.240
George Floyd, he didn't have a dodgy past. George Floyd, he wasn't resisting arrest. The narrative was George Floyd
00:26:48.560
is innocent as the newly driven snow. And this cop basically brutalized him to death without any
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question. And maybe the cop acted inappropriately. I guess we'll find out in the trial. Maybe all of the
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things that George Floyd had been doing, including the drugs, most notably, maybe that didn't have any
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effect on his death. But the evidence we've seen so far from autopsies and other sort of evidence
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suggests that the story is much more complicated than the narrative would have led on. And maybe
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this cop is going to get off. Because I think Minnesota thinks that he's going to get off,
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the city of Minneapolis is hiring black social media influencers to push propaganda about the trial.
00:27:41.020
This story came out just a few days ago. City, city of Minneapolis would hire social media influencers
00:27:49.000
from local minority communities to help facilitate the spread of news and combat misinformation during
00:27:55.780
Derek Chauvin's trial, reportedly in the hopes to head off the unrest. Unrest, one of the most Orwellian
00:28:02.960
words in our language, unrest meaning violence and riots. This is just bribery, right? This is just
00:28:13.280
a sort of self extortion. The city of Minneapolis is extorting itself and giving money to leaders in
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these communities to try to buy their goodwill and help tell people in these communities not to
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riot and torch the whole city. Really a pathetic dereliction of leadership from the city of Minneapolis
00:28:37.240
that they basically have to pay a tribute to these local communities not to burn down the whole city.
00:28:44.060
The city of Minneapolis has since announced they're going to drop the plan. Just yesterday they came out,
00:28:48.980
when this came to light, this elicited enough bad looks all around that they decided that they were
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going to drop it. But it's a bad state in our country where we have such an atrophied understanding
00:29:04.000
of justice that city officials have to bribe local neighborhood leaders not to burn down the city.
00:29:13.280
Ties into our understanding of justice when you've got a throuple that's permitted to create a child for
00:29:17.740
the explicit purpose of denying that child the access to her mother, designer babies for their own
00:29:23.860
selfish reasons to be put in a perpetual orgy of these three dudes. Speaking of justice,
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Merrick Garland. Merrick Garland looking a little more radical than some of us thought he was.
00:29:37.180
Garland, as you know, was supposed to be the Supreme Court nominee that Obama put up to replace
00:29:42.480
Antonin Scalia and Cocaine Mitch held firm. And that's how we got more conservative judges.
00:29:47.800
Garland then went back to his regular judgeship. Now he's being pushed for the attorney general
00:29:53.660
position in Biden's administration. When he was named, I thought, okay, well, could do a lot worse
00:30:00.040
with these radicals. So Garland, okay, that's fine. His answers though have not impressed people.
00:30:05.380
Ted Cruz, one of the people who was questioning him, says that he's very disappointed in Garland's
00:30:11.820
answers. He has built a reputation for not being overly partisan. And so I was hopeful
00:30:18.240
that when Judge Garland came before this committee, that he would indicate a commitment to the rule
00:30:25.300
of law and a commitment to standing up to the hard politicization and weaponization of the Justice
00:30:33.100
Department that we saw during the eight years of the Obama-Biden administration. I have to say,
00:30:41.920
Judge Garland's testimony before this committee and his subsequent answers to the questions for the
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record left me deeply, deeply disappointed. On question after question after question,
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Judge Garland refused to answer virtually anything.
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This is the key here. He wouldn't answer. So simple questions. He just wouldn't answer. He'd
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punt. He'd say, we're going to look at it. We've got to review it. This, this is the difference. The,
00:31:11.540
the radical left, the openly radical left, like the AOC types, they just tell you exactly what they
00:31:16.420
think. The moderate left, like the Joe Biden types, they don't tell you what they're going to
00:31:22.660
do, but they're going to do the same thing. They're all going in exactly the same direction. Merrick
00:31:27.560
Garland is probably the most moderate Biden nominee and seems like he's a radical too. Jen Psaki doing
00:31:34.320
the same thing. She was asked a simple question about what's going to happen to 600 to 800,000
00:31:39.460
immigrants. And what's her answer? No answer. One other thing that the president of Mexico is
00:31:46.900
expected to propose is an idea to bring an immigrant labor, labor program to the U S that
00:31:52.640
could bring 600 to 800,000 immigrants a year to work legally in the United States. Uh, is that
00:31:59.960
something president Biden would consider? I I've seen reports of that. I believe that's a step that
00:32:04.260
would require Congress. Um, I'm sure we'll have a readout after, uh, the bilateral meeting this
00:32:09.640
afternoon and they both will be speaking after it as well. Sure. The measure might involve Congress,
00:32:15.460
though, frankly, these days, since so much of the government is just run by the, uh, executive
00:32:19.440
agencies, it probably doesn't need to involve Congress, but just cause it involves Congress
00:32:23.700
doesn't mean that you can't give your opinion on it. If the matter involves Congress, that means
00:32:28.480
that they're going to pass some law about it. And then the law has to be either signed or vetoed by
00:32:32.720
Joe Biden. So Biden absolutely needs to give his opinion on this topic. He's going to have a very
00:32:37.840
important role in it. So what's Biden's opinion about sending 800,000 Mexican immigrants each year
00:32:45.740
to the United States to compete with American citizens for jobs, particularly with lower wage
00:32:51.120
Americans for jobs. No answer, no answer because he knows that his answer, either way he answers is
00:32:58.540
going to offend either his base or the conservatives, but that he's going to slowly push this policy.
00:33:05.180
Immigration broadly, according to many public opinion surveys, is a winning issue for Republicans.
00:33:11.580
The democratic position on radical open borders immigration is very unpopular when you really
00:33:17.800
drill down into the details. And so the Democrats are going to pursue it anyway because interest groups
00:33:22.960
require them to, and their electoral future is greatly advantaged by that. But they're just not
00:33:27.940
going to tell you about it. They're going to keep their mouths shut. Same thing. Psaki was asked a
00:33:31.580
question on the teacher unions, which for no scientific reasons are keeping the schools closed
00:33:37.180
still. Jen Psaki said, has Biden's, or rather Jen Psaki was asked, has Joe Biden sold out America to
00:33:44.020
these unions? No answer. One more question from a former president Trump over the weekend speaking at
00:33:51.640
CPAC. I heard that. He said, President Joe Biden sold out America's children to the teachers union.
00:34:00.960
How does the white house respond to that? Uh, I think we're going to, uh, uh, spend more of our time
00:34:07.360
focused on communicating about our agenda for the American people than responding to, uh, criticism from,
00:34:14.880
This is not a terrible answer from Jen Psaki because what you want to do when you're asked
00:34:21.740
a question like that is to control the narrative, right? Michael, do you still beat your wife? You
00:34:26.000
know, you want to, there's no way to answer that directly. That doesn't make you look bad.
00:34:29.840
No, I don't still beat my wife. Uh, or yes, I, well, what, huh? Uh, so you want to control the
00:34:35.380
narrative. You want to control the wording here. However, normally that strategy does involve
00:34:41.200
smacking down the premise. So if the ideal answer to this question would have been, Hey,
00:34:47.520
what do you say to Trump who says that Biden sold out America to the teacher unions? Uh, listen,
00:34:52.720
we got the biggest, uh, amount of support from grassroots people who oppose the teacher unions.
00:34:59.620
We got a lot of support from charter schools. We got a lot of support from parents associations.
00:35:04.880
So, uh, don't tell me about selling out America. And then maybe you punch back at Trump too. And you
00:35:08.940
say he took money from this group or that group, whatever. They didn't do that because they can,
00:35:14.780
because Joe Biden sold out America to the teacher's unions. So she's, there's really no
00:35:18.640
good answer. And the teacher's unions, they are as dishonest and, uh, disreputable as they possibly
00:35:29.720
could be. They've never had a particularly good reputation, but now they're flaunting their own
00:35:34.940
rules. The Berkeley Federation of Teachers president, Matt Meyer has said that the teachers are not going
00:35:41.420
back until we have the gold standard in Berkeley, California, which means that all educators and
00:35:47.680
staff have to be vaccinated. The schools have to enforce social distancing. They have to enforce
00:35:52.480
mask wearings all the time. And until that basically impossible standard, teachers get paid
00:35:59.560
vacation, right? That's, that is the current line from the head of the Berkeley teacher union.
00:36:07.160
Yet he just got caught on video taking his two-year-old daughter to an in-person preschool
00:36:12.260
because he doesn't want to have to deal with the consequences of his actions. You see,
00:36:18.240
what he wants is the best possible deal for the teacher's union. But he also knows that the
00:36:26.320
arguments the teacher's union are making right now, or the arguments the teacher's union is making is,
00:36:32.440
they're ridiculous arguments. They're crazy on the, on the virus. And he also knows that he wants to be
00:36:37.280
able to send his kid to school. First of all, two-year-olds don't go to school. I know that
00:36:40.260
it's very fashionable now among sort of hip yuppies to say that, oh yes, I'm going to send my 18 month
00:36:46.300
old to school. No, you're not. You're sending them to daycare. School doesn't start until you're five
00:36:50.260
and it's fine. You can like, if it makes you feel better to say, oh yes, no, yes. My, my very
00:36:55.940
advanced child is going to, he's taking advanced classes for two-year-olds. Like, okay, fine. But
00:37:02.720
it just, it's daycare just for, for those of us who are interested in the reality of it. But it's
00:37:07.880
obviously hypocritical. It shows that the unions are not actually worried. The unions do not care at
00:37:13.880
all about the science of it all. They, they just want to get money for doing nothing. They're just
00:37:19.480
lazy. This is why good teachers tend to hate the teacher's unions. Meanwhile, turning to higher
00:37:26.520
education, the Harvard Business School Club of New York. So this is sort of alumni and faculty
00:37:33.160
at the Harvard Business School. They have canceled an event that they were going to host. It was going
00:37:39.020
to be an academic lecture and the academic lecture was going to be on the topic of cancel culture.
00:37:44.540
And because apparently the Harvard Business School Club of New York thinks that cancel culture is
00:37:50.620
such a ridiculous topic, they're going to cancel the lecture on cancel culture. Say that three times
00:37:55.360
fast. The speaker was going to be James Lindsay. I think, I haven't, I think I've interviewed James
00:37:59.780
Lindsay. He was one of the people involved in exposing the kind of silliness of grievance studies and
00:38:07.300
he's worked with Peter Boghossian. Now there's a big debate over cancel culture and is this cancel
00:38:13.920
culture and is cancel culture even real? I just don't think, I've said it a couple of times on this
00:38:18.200
show, I don't think cancel culture is a helpful lens through which to view this situation. This is
00:38:25.220
all about standards and power. This is all about having certain standards. Getting back to our story at
00:38:31.040
the top of the show, the throuple. I think the throuple should be canceled. I think that they
00:38:34.820
should not be permitted in polite society. I don't think they should be invited to fancy dinner parties.
00:38:41.300
I think what they're doing is wicked and it's child abuse and it's deeply unjust and they need to get
00:38:49.540
their act together before people accept this kind of insanity as acceptable. Am I therefore a proponent
00:38:59.660
of cancel culture? No. Any sensible person, until about five minutes ago, any sensible person would
00:39:05.780
have said that this is absolutely outrageous, wrong, and should not be tolerated by a just society.
00:39:12.860
But now we've fallen for this trap and it's a trap I've also mentioned. It happens to be the thesis of
00:39:17.100
my book, Speechless Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, which is when the left pushes political
00:39:22.620
correctness, they do it to get rid of the old standards. And the only ways that conservatives ever react is we go
00:39:28.200
along with the new left-wing standards or we abandon standards altogether. And we say, you do you,
00:39:33.060
there should be no limits on what we do or think or say or anything like that. And that just has no basis
00:39:38.720
in American history. Bill Maher is getting a lot of credit right now because he's coming out and
00:39:48.880
defending Gina Carano, my colleague. I never thought that I would have a colleague in political media who
00:39:55.020
was an MMA fighter and a Disney movie star. But hey, you know, this is a pretty weird time that
00:39:59.620
we're living in. And Gina Carano was fired from Disney just for being a conservative, right? And
00:40:04.520
they, they used as an excuse some social media posts she'd made, but the social media posts were
00:40:09.240
completely innocuous. They were inoffensive. They didn't, they didn't really say anything wrong at
00:40:13.700
all. And so Bill Maher, who is a man of the left is defending her and saying she shouldn't be
00:40:21.560
canceled. And Bill Maher is doing this. This is very much in his wheelhouse because even though
00:40:27.040
he's a left winger, he's always sort of opposed political correctness, or at least he thinks he
00:40:31.840
does. He had, he hosted a show called Politically Incorrect. He's, he's not, not of the hard left,
00:40:39.500
but he's not a conservative either. And he's making an argument that while I appreciate it,
00:40:43.520
and I'm glad he's standing up for a conservative here against the left-wing mob, I don't think the
00:40:48.540
argument is particularly effective. So Bill Maher is defending Gina Carano on the grounds that she
00:40:58.420
did not deserve to be canceled. Take a listen. The Mandalorian's Gina Carano is a person I'd never
00:41:04.720
heard of and resent that I have now. She's some conservative wrestling chick who kicks ass on a
00:41:12.060
show I wouldn't watch if I was in prison. And she made some Nazi analogy. Who doesn't these days?
00:41:19.920
You're like the Nazis is the new I don't like you. It's always okay when Trump's the Nazi.
00:41:25.740
That disqualifies her for marching around planet who gives a shit in a helmet?
00:41:30.140
What? By the way, you can't work in Hollywood if you don't believe what we believe. Yeah. In the
00:41:38.580
fifties, that's exactly what the left complained they were being told. So this is a funny bit. I
00:41:44.540
laughed a couple of times while, while watching it the first time. And I'm really, I really do
00:41:49.700
appreciate that Bill would stand up for a conservative who's being canceled by the left-wing mob. But it's
00:41:54.060
that argument there at the end that, that means I can't totally go along with him. He says,
00:41:59.920
you know, in the fifties, this is what leftists complained about. And what he's referring to is
00:42:04.940
anti-communism. And the anti-communism of the 1950s is something that has been totally rewritten by
00:42:12.040
left-wing historians who are still trying to cover up the fact that they were defending the communists
00:42:17.060
in the thirties, forties, and fifties. This is sometimes called McCarthyism. And McCarthyism is
00:42:23.200
sometimes conflated with blacklisting in Hollywood. Senator Joe McCarthy had absolutely nothing to do
00:42:29.480
with Hollywood blacklisting. No person of any political persuasion, whether they love McCarthy
00:42:34.400
or hate McCarthy, who has actually looked at the facts can say McCarthy had something to do with
00:42:38.680
the blacklisting in Hollywood. McCarthy had nothing to do with HUAC, better known, or I suppose it's
00:42:43.840
better known as HUAC now, but it ought to be known as the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
00:42:48.260
What happened in the 1950s, and really more in the thirties and forties, is that the Soviet government,
00:42:56.540
our enemies in the Cold War, had spies placed throughout the federal government, had very high
00:43:05.300
level spies in the federal government. This is not a conspiracy theory. We know this. We ended up rooting
00:43:10.520
out a couple hundred of them, at least. The most notable one is Alger Hiss, who was a high level
00:43:16.620
State Department official. He had been at the DOJ. He helped found the United Nations. He was directly
00:43:21.100
working for the Soviet Union. He was a spy in the United States. If you want to read a good book
00:43:24.940
about it, you can read Witness by Whitaker Chambers. At the time, this was a hotly debated political
00:43:30.360
issue because the Republicans were the ones who were hardcore anti-communists here. And the communist
00:43:37.520
problem festered during democratic administrations. In fact, the reason Dwight Eisenhower got elected
00:43:42.560
was because of the backlash against Democrats going soft on communism. John F. Kennedy defended
00:43:51.520
Joe McCarthy. Bobby Kennedy went to Joe McCarthy's funeral. It was absolutely right and just for the
00:44:00.080
United States to root out communists in the 1930s, 40s, and 50s. It was a matter of great national
00:44:07.540
importance. Was that cancel culture? Sort of. You know, this is so crazy to me for the conservatives
00:44:13.760
who just sort of maybe reflexively, because they believe whatever they were taught in public school,
00:44:19.240
the ones who decry McCarthyism, who buy the left's line on McCarthyism. Conservatives,
00:44:26.200
out of one side of their mouth, will decry the cultural Marxism of Hollywood and the universities
00:44:31.520
and say that we've got to take back the institutions and we can't let these leftists destroy our culture
00:44:38.700
through Hollywood and through the universities. And then at the same time, they'll decry McCarthyism
00:44:44.980
and cancel culture and say that we can never root out anybody. We just need to debate them in the free
00:44:50.920
marketplace of ideas. When you say that we need to take back the institutions, take back Hollywood,
00:44:56.140
take back the universities, what you are saying is we need to get the leftists out of those places.
00:45:02.700
We need to censor them in a certain sense. We need to kick them out of their positions of influence
00:45:08.800
on the basis of their ideological views. You are defending a sort of McCarthyism.
00:45:15.580
But then on the other hand, you say, but we would never do that sort of thing. The leftists are the
00:45:18.940
new McCarthyists. In reality, what happens is people defend their standards and no society is
00:45:25.620
perfectly open. And nobody believes that if a guy walks up to his water cooler at the office with
00:45:29.600
an armband of the swastikans that screams Zig Heil, that he has any right to keep his job.
00:45:34.480
And the debate that's really happening right now is over which set of standards are we going to have?
00:45:37.960
The good set of standards that defends America and defends our faith and defends our traditions and
00:45:45.280
our way of life? Or the bad set of standards, which says America's evil and Americans should be divided
00:45:51.400
and hate one another? And degenerate throuples should be able to create designer babies without
00:45:56.660
any care for the child himself or herself. Which set of standards are you going to defend?
00:46:02.080
Because if we have a good traditional moral version, then you can't have the throuple version.
00:46:08.660
You actually have to exclude that. You have to say no. You have to cancel that. And it would be a very
00:46:13.480
good thing to cancel that. Speaking of a guy who's getting canceled for weird sex stuff,
00:46:16.960
Andrew Cuomo. I have to touch on this story. Andrew Cuomo is in trouble right now because of
00:46:22.380
allegations of sexual harassment. A new video has resurfaced showing that Andrew Cuomo was
00:46:28.920
harassing a reporter and told her to eat a sausage sandwich, a sausage hoagie at a New York political
00:46:35.880
Sandwich. Will you eat the whole sandwich? I will eat the whole sandwich. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:46:41.680
Who ate sausage? I can eat the whole sandwich. Oh, thank you. Thank you.
00:46:48.300
Oh, no. Hold on. I want you to see you here. The whole sausage. I don't know if I should eat the whole
00:46:53.460
sausage in front of you, but I'm definitely going to eat it. No excuses. You know where I'm going,
00:47:02.020
do you see another county executive? I do. Nice to see you. Now you're going to know me
00:47:05.840
in a whole front of you. My daughter, Michaela. Hello. Nice to meet you. Can I take a selfie with
00:47:11.560
you while I eat my sandwich? Oh, there you go. I think that's a fair trade. Yeah, there's too
00:47:17.680
much sausage in that person. It's not as easy to eat this in front of all these cameras as you
00:47:21.660
make it to. Well, that's right. That's your thing. Now I know how to do my whole skill. Not only do you have to
00:47:27.820
eat the sausage. That's part of the, the, being the government, right? Well, there is a course
00:47:33.540
where you get elected to office. They have a course called eating on camera. Okay. So this is
00:47:40.280
now being blown up as a horrible sexual harassment. The woman says she didn't feel sexually harassed at
00:47:45.340
all. She enjoyed it. Cuomo bought her a sausage and they made jokes about eating on camera,
00:47:49.080
which is a real joke. If you talk to presidential candidates, they will tell you when you go to the
00:47:52.600
Iowa State Fair, don't eat the corn dog. It just doesn't look good on camera.
00:47:55.740
Yeah. Andrew Cuomo should be canceled because he killed thousands of elderly New Yorkers and then
00:48:01.820
covered up their deaths when the federal government was started poking into it. That's why he should
00:48:05.800
be canceled. Maybe some of these sexual harassment claims are, are legit. I don't know. They seem kind
00:48:11.500
of politically convenient right now. And this one seems kind of bogus to me. The reporter is perfectly
00:48:17.200
happy. I'm all for getting rid of Andrew Cuomo. I think that's fine. He's a bad governor, but it's a,
00:48:23.140
it says something about our standards now where if you kill thousands of elderly New Yorkers and
00:48:26.940
cover it up because you know what a scandal it is, you're totally fine. But if you make a joke
00:48:31.120
about a sausage at a political event, that's going to ruin your life. It shows us that something about
00:48:36.220
our standards has gone awry and maybe we're going to have to try to recover that. I'm Michael Knowles.
00:48:39.880
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00:48:41.360
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Today on The Ben Shapiro Show, Chris Cuomo realizes that covering his brother Andrew for CNN
00:49:40.280
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