Ep. 718 - The Morality Problem
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As record numbers of foreign nationals pour across our southern border, many of them unaccompanied minors, and as difficulties abound amid this pandemic, problem on, problem, on problem, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki deflects any questions about the past administration and specifically the morality problem that they had at the border.
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As record numbers of foreign nationals pour across our southern border, many of them
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unaccompanied minors and as difficulties abound amid this pandemic, problem on problem on problem,
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White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki deflects any questions. She wants to talk about the past
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administration and specifically the morality problem that they had at the border.
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Thank you, Jen. You can tell migrants from right there for a month now, all the way back to February
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10th, that now is not the time to come, but they are coming in bigger numbers every day. So do you
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have a messaging problem? Well, I would say that in the last administration, we had a morality problem
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and children were being pulled from the arms of their parents and kids were being sent back on a
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treacherous journey. And that's not the approach of this administration. So certainly we understand
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that means there will be more kids who are crossing the border. We made a policy decision that that was
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the right humane step to take. But I think it's also important for people to understand that the
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vast majority of people who come to our border are turned away, are sent back to their countries.
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What we're talking about here are unaccompanied children. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So the
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problem is the last administration would send a lot of people back. And this is very different,
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even though the Biden administration is going to send people back. And the last administration
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ripped children away from their parents. And this administration is ripping children away from
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their parents. And the reason for this is they need to vet everybody. So they've already admitted
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to that part. And the past administration with the morality problem, they were putting kids in cages
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and the Biden administration. Okay. Sure. It's, it's putting kids in cages, but you know,
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they, but they're being really, really nice about it. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael
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Knowles show. Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday is from Cricket
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The Biden administration, by any measure, by the standards of the right and the standards of the
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left, the immigration policies here are worse than the Trump administration's immigration policies.
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The immigrant, the effect on immigration worse than under the Trump administration. And Jen Psaki
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has to say, no, well, but it's different. It's different. This is, I don't know if you've seen that
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meme on the internet of Spider-Man pointing at Spider-Man and accusing one of, that is what's
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happening here. She's, she, she is trying to deflect from this obvious point that the immigration
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problem, every problem associated with it has gotten much, much worse under Joe Biden.
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And the way she deflects on this is she says, well, we have better morals, better morals. Well,
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what is her example of having better morals? She tries to dance around these issues,
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but what we have seen from other Biden advisors, and even from Jen Psaki in the last few days
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is in practice, the Biden administration is doing exactly the same stuff that the Trump administration
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did. They're just, they're doing it worse. They're doing it less effectively, but they're,
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they're doing the same policies. So the morality can't be, it can't have to do with their actions.
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It just has to do with their speech, just has to do with the way that they're talking about it.
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They're talking about how we need to be generous to the unaccompanied minors. And we're,
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we have a heart and we're being compassionate, but in terms of what they're actually doing,
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there's no difference. This is something actually that I talk about in my upcoming book,
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Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, that one of the, the, the campaign of political
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correctness seeks to replace the old moral order with new speech codes, replaces moral codes for speech
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codes. And so the emphasis goes away from what you do to what you say. That's why they're always
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policing every little syllable that we say, taking focus off of what we actually do. Now,
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some Biden advisors are a little more honest than Jen Psaki. National Security Council official
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Roberta Jackson is asked at the White House, is this a crisis at the border? And she doesn't want
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to answer that question. She doesn't want to use the word crisis, but she does admit that the crisis
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is Joe Biden's fault. First of all, one of the things I think is important is we've seen surges
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before. Surges tend to respond to hope. And there was a significant hope for a more humane policy
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after four years of, you know, pent up demand. So I don't know whether I would call that a coincidence,
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but I certainly think that the idea that a more humane policy would be in place may have driven
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people to make that decision. But perhaps more importantly, it definitely drove smugglers to
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express disinformation, to spread disinformation about what was now possible.
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So this is a, you got to give credit to her. She's, she realizes she's trying to dance around
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it at the end, but you have to give credit to her for the honesty. They're saying, is this Biden's
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fault? She says, well, look under Trump, they knew that the federal government, the illegal aliens knew
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that the federal government was going to do everything in its power to turn them away, to make it more
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difficult for them to violate our country's laws and enter this country illegally. So what happens?
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You disincentivize the illegal border crossings, you get fewer border crossings. Under Biden,
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people respond to hope in her words. So Biden comes in and he says, yeah, man, I'm giving amnesty to
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11 million people, 20 million people. You bet. Come on in. We're a generous country. We're going to
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stop building the border wall. We're going to stop enforcing much of our immigration policy. I'm going
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to nominate people to these positions who are pretty weak on immigration. And guess what
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happens when you create that incentive? More people are coming over. Surges happen. Every
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administration has these kinds of surges, but Joe Biden specifically has created incentives to
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encourage more people to come on over here. It's a great admission. Now she then tries to qualify that
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and she says, but also the, the smugglers, they've now had an opportunity to spread disinformation,
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right? So trying to take the onus off of Biden and put it more on these smugglers and coyotes and those
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sorts of people. But even in the way she explains it, she's showing that the opportunity that the
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smugglers had to spread the disinformation about the new immigration policies, which is frankly,
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I think just information. I don't think it's disinformation. I do think Biden wants to give
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a mass amnesty, but even the opportunity to spread that kind of news is coming from the Biden
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administration. So you have it on the record. Watch that video because it's probably going to
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disappear at some point in the near future when the Biden administration wises up and realizes
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that this, this woman has admitted guilt on their behalf. Joe Biden himself doesn't want to answer
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very many questions at all. He's now gone, I think 50 days, something like 50 days without a press
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conference. This is the longest stretch for a newly inaugurated president in modern history.
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He's blowing his competition out of the water. And he was asked about this at just a quick little
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COVID. He was giving a statement on COVID. He was not holding a press conference. He was asked about
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the press conference, pretends not to hear the question.
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Mr. President, what do you do with the surplus?
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Mr. President, what do you do with the surplus?
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You don't need to hear the answer. It's just kind of silly. But he hears these two questions being
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shouted out. He's kind of wandering away. Where am I supposed to go? He does this a lot after he
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speaks. And he goes, hey, Mr. President, what about the surplus? And he's like still kind of
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wandering and he's still listening. Then you're, Mr. President, when are you going to hold a press
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conference? He stops. He's like, ah, shoot. That's pretty loud. Well, you see the surplus,
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and he just ignores the question and pretends that he did not hear it because he doesn't have any good
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answers. One, I don't, I don't think he's capable any longer of answering these difficult
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questions under fire. A younger Joe Biden was a little better at this because he's such a BS
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artist. But older Joe Biden, I mean, you see the guy sort of puttering around the Oval Office or
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around these podiums. It's a very sad thing to watch. So I don't think he's up for it. But also,
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even if he were, even if this guy were a used car salesman in his prime, he would not be able to
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give serious answers to these questions and to the problems that he has created.
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So Joe Biden, not representing conservatives, not representing the majority of Americans who
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don't like what's going on at the southern border. Joe Biden also not representing very many people
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in his own party. There was a great clip going around of some young lib, some young Democrat guy
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who was on CNN and was being asked about the Biden administration and what he thinks of things.
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And all that kid wants to know is where is his stimulus money at? Young Democrats like Ben
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see a lot of promises unkept. They're putting that stimulus check on the back burner. They're
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putting the minimum wage hike on the back burner and they're dropping bombs in Syria right now.
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And those bombs are kind of expensive for a dude who owes me $2,000.
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That's a pretty good line. The impulse behind it is fairly perverse, but the line is pretty good.
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And it gets to a criticism of Biden that many of us on the right have made, which is that the old
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left-right divide is kind of breaking down a little bit. This is why you hear the term woke on the left
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and red-pilled on the right. Both of these terms represent a sort of waking up out of a dreamlike
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state. And in this third political entity, you have what's called the Uniparty. You know, some people
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refer to it as kind of the Bush people and the Biden people, and they're all kind of pursuing the
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same foreign policy. And the joke of it is that, you know, George Bush is terrible. He's a conservative.
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He's a Nazi, frankly. And then when Obama and Biden pursue his exact same foreign policy,
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they will say, well, you know, sure, but a woman released the bombs. Yes, but a gay Muslim
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transgender person was piloting the drone. You know, we had rainbow flags and BLM stickers on all of the
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bombs that were being dropped on the Middle East. So you see, it's very, very different. It's the same
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sort of excuse that Jen Psaki's giving, saying, no, yeah, we're doing the same thing that Trump did,
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but we have good morals. You see, you're doing the same thing. What are you talking about?
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It's all just sort of lipstick on the pig of this consensus between the established right and the
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established left, that people on the left and right, the more populist elements are saying, wait,
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little bit. The left-right divide is not some permanent, eternal sort of way to understand
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politics. The left-right divide only comes about during the French Revolution and it refers to people
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who were sitting on the left and they were the radicals and the revolutionaries and people who
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were sitting on the right. They were the more conservative elements. They wanted to preserve
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the monarchy. They wanted to preserve hierarchy and social order. So the way, the way that we use
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left and right, it can kind of change and circumstances change and the parties change too. And there's some
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issues that bring this up. So there was recently a poll out from a left-leaning poll source
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that shows that most people reject gender ideology specifically with regard to girls' sports. Most
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people do not think that men should be able to compete in girls' track meets and win their prizes
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and win their scholarships. How is this the issue that unifies people? Because if you think of all the
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big issues facing the country, most people, if you were just thinking about it for two seconds,
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you'd say, oh, girls' sports. I don't know. That's way, way down on the list. That barely matters at all.
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Except it represents so much of the rot that is at the heart of our entire politics.
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The reason that the transgender issue has been able to kind of crack up some of the left-wing
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consensus and has aroused the passions of conservatives is not because we particularly
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care about women's sports. I don't know that I've ever watched women's sports. Maybe the Olympics
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are on, I'll say something, but very rarely. It's because it's so unjust and it's so obviously unjust
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and it is so out of whack with reality. When you see some big hulking dude running circles around the
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little girls running on the track court, you just know, oh, this isn't right. Well, you, and then
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some egghead, you know, liberal will say, well, no, but actually the way that the hormones in the body
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and the way that this, and the science shows, and you just say like, no, sorry, you can give me
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whatever egghead, ridiculous cockamamie explanation you want. I just know that's not right
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because you have all these very advanced social theories that you are combining with your social
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scientific theories to give me some explanation of why Husky Hank over there should be allowed to
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compete against all those little girls. But I have two eyes and I just know it's wrong.
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And I noticed that the guys keep winning all the games. So it would seem that my two eyes are more
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reliable than your ridiculous theories. Among this, the people surveyed, 59% support a ban of,
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and the wording here is key, a ban of biological males from competing against biological girls in
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female athletics. 46% of women support a ban, so it's lower, but 34% oppose a ban. So far greater
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percentage support the ban. Among Republicans, it's about three to one. Democrats, 40% support a ban,
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42% oppose a ban. So Democrats, identified Democrats are the only people who slightly more
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oppose the ban. Independence, though, it's overwhelming. 49% support the ban, 33% oppose.
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Gen Z is about evenly split on this because they've been steeped in gender theory and because they're
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young and don't know what they're talking about yet. Millennials, some millennials who are often
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considered more liberal, more to the left in many ways than Gen Z, overwhelmingly support the ban.
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Baby boomers, roughly around the same percentage. Actually, they're a little less likely to support
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the ban than millennials. So these numbers, you know, changing by generation, but that might change
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as people get older too. I also want to focus in here on the wording of this, of this, the coverage
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here. So the coverage is, is referring to biological males and biological girls. I understand why people
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do that. I know a lot of conservatives who do that too, but I think it's a bad idea. I think it is
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mistaken. I think it is giving in to political correctness. There is no such thing as a biological
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male as distinct from a spiritual male or a psychological male. There were just males. There's
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just dudes. Okay. And the reason people use this term biological male is they want to be very,
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very precise and they want to make these arguments from biology. And they want to say that actually
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it's the physicality of the person and the physicality is somehow different than the soul
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or the spirit. And that is the transgender argument. When you say the phrase biological male,
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you are making the transgender argument. The transgender argument is that there is a difference
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between one's biology and one's other identity. And the transgender people say that this other
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identity, this metaphysical identity, that's my true identity. And my body has nothing to do with
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it. But when the right comes out and says biological males or biological girls, they're just making the
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flip side of that argument. They're saying, yeah, there's a difference between your biological
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identity and your other kind of identity or spiritual identity, whatever you want to call it.
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But your true identity is your biological identity. But the actual conservative argument is that we are
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not split between our soul and our body. They're not completely separate entities. We are one
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entity. The, the technical term for this is hylomorphic beings, right? The body and the soul
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are fused where they're, they're inseparable on earth. And so it's, you, when you, when you divide
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it up, even if you're dividing it up to argue with the left on the transgender question, you're
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actually giving them their argument. This is, hate to plug my book two times in a show, but this
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actually is kind of the argument here. This is what we do all the time on the right is even when we
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think we're fighting against the left. When we think we're fighting against political correctness
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and wokeism and cancel culture, we're just giving in. We're just giving in in a sort of different
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way that we're not even conscious of. We really ought to stop doing that because I do think we're
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in a moment of real political chaos and chaos breeds opportunity. There are things that are shifting
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here. If you've got the majority of people see with their own two eyes, oh my gosh, wow, look how crazy
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this is. These, this left-wing ideology on gender is so nuts. What else is nuts about their ideas?
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This is a good opportunity to grab it, but we're not going to win that by acquiescing and giving in
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on an issue that is overwhelmingly in our favor because it's so clear. What this comes from is,
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you know, this minor, relatively trivial issue of the girls' sports comes from this broader issue,
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which is that we no longer want to admit that some things are normal and some things are abnormal.
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There are norms. There are standards. We, even on the right, we don't want to admit that. We want to
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say, well, you do you, you do whatever you want. You pursue your own appetites and desires. You
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be free as though that's really what freedom is. It's not, it's not even close to freedom. It's not
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what the founders thought freedom was. It's not what any sophisticated people have thought freedom is
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in our history, but it comes down to norms. It comes down to standards. Are you allowed to say,
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this is normal, this is not? We're not. And I'll give you a clear example of it. Dove,
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the soap, the company that makes Dove soap is now removing the term normal from its packaging
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because referring to shampoo, you know, do you have normal hair? Do you have some particular
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hair condition? Because normal is not inclusive enough. And they go further. They say, we know
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that removing normal alone will not fix the problem, but we believe it is an important step toward a more
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inclusive definition of beauty, says, uh, Sunny Jane, the president of Unilever's beauty and personal
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care division, which includes Dove. It's not inclusive. If I, if I say it's normal to have
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all of my appendages, right? It's a normal, that's, that's the norm. That's how it's supposed to be.
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Now, some people are born with deformities or they, uh, suffer amputations or they have
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disabilities. And so there's something abnormal about their physique. This is not a reason to,
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uh, be rude to somebody. This is not a reason to ostracize somebody from society. Uh, but likewise,
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it is simply insane. It's, it's simply not true to say that it is normal. If you got, uh, 10 fingers
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and 10 toes, that is the norm. That's the normal thing. That's how the body is supposed to be.
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A lot of people have nine fingers or 11 fingers, right? Now as a proportion of society, not a lot
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of people have that, but a lot of people in the world have that. And that is a deviation from the
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norm. The way that we can have medical science is we know that there is something that is normal.
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We know there's some way the body is supposed to behave. And then when things go awry, that's how you
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know, okay, there's a problem here. Maybe we can treat it. Maybe we don't have to treat it.
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Maybe it's benign, but it's right. If you don't admit that there's a standard,
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you can't have any of that. You can't really have medical science. You can't have any kind
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of scientific discussion. You can't really communicate at all because you're not referring
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to some objective reality. That is in part why the, the transgender issue is so
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at the top of our minds, even though it, as a psychological matter, it affects a very few,
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you know, a small number of people. It is spreading as a social contagion, but the people
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who are really born with this condition or who develop it in a way that really messes
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up their life, very small number of people. But the principle here is what the left is
00:23:54.960
after. And it's why the left is so focused on this because the entire process of political
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to 64,000. Where is this attack on norms coming from? Because that's what this is about. The gender
00:25:40.800
ideology, the law and order of our country. It is, it is an attack on norms. We were promised with Joe
00:25:48.300
Biden. We elect him. We're going to get the new normal. We're going to, a return to normalcy. Well,
00:25:52.580
yeah, we're getting the new normal is what we're getting. It's not normal at all. It's coming from
00:25:57.320
an attack on the metaphysical foundations of our civilization. There was a guy in a turtleneck
00:26:03.540
who went viral on TikTok the other day because he was claiming that Jesus, Lord and Redeemer,
00:26:12.660
second person of the blessed Trinity, is a racist. Take a listen.
00:26:18.360
Did you know that there's a part of the gospel of Mark where Jesus uses a racial slur? In Mark
00:26:24.860
chapter 7, there's the account of the Seraphonician woman, a woman who is Syrian and Greek, both of
00:26:29.940
which there were strong biases against within the Jewish community. And she comes to ask Jesus to
00:26:35.060
heal her daughter who's possessed by a demon. And what is Jesus's response? He says, it's not good for
00:26:40.840
me to give the children's food, meaning the children of Israel's food, to dogs. He calls her a dog.
00:26:46.960
What's amazing about this account is that the woman doesn't back down. She speaks truth to power. She
00:26:52.260
confronts Jesus and says, well, you can think that about me, but even dogs deserve the crumbs from the
00:26:57.600
table. Her boldness and bravery to speak truth to power actually changes Jesus' mind. Jesus repents
00:27:03.740
of his racism and extends healing to this woman's daughter. I love this story because it's a reminder
00:27:08.660
that Jesus is human. He had prejudices and bias, and when confronted with it, he was willing to do his
00:27:14.420
work. And this woman was willing to stand up and speak truth. Is that what happened? You know, I've read
00:27:22.820
the same gospel account. That's not exactly what happened as far as I can tell. What happens, of course,
00:27:30.500
is something like what he described happens. And then Christ says it's not fit to give this to dogs.
00:27:39.720
And she begs and she pleads. And she says in the gospel, according to St. Matthew,
00:27:45.880
yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table. Then Jesus answered
00:27:51.220
her, oh, woman, great is your faith. Be it done for you as you desire. And her daughter was healed
00:27:56.640
instantly. She did not change Jesus' mind. Had this young man gone on to read the gospel,
00:28:05.120
according to St. John, he would have known this because John begins very first lines by proclaiming
00:28:13.700
that Christ is the divine logic of the universe. Logic itself, the word of God. So you can't change
00:28:23.940
Christ's mind because he is logic. He is the reason, the fundamental reason that undergirds reality.
00:28:31.920
Uh, now he does show to this woman and to others, uh, her faith and, uh, he does, uh, show our
00:28:45.040
brokenness and his grace. He does all of that. This wonderful, this cause to be rejoicing. It's
00:28:51.320
cause to say, yes. Oh my gosh, I can't believe it. I miserable sinner me. I will say with such
00:28:58.040
gratitude that I have been redeemed through really no, uh, help of my own other than, uh, responding
00:29:04.380
to God's grace with an act of faith. God comes to me like Christ was near this woman and she responds
00:29:11.080
to that in an act of faith. And he says, oh, great, great is your faith. Be it done as you desire.
00:29:15.020
Or you can say God is a racist. Those are the two options. The, the one option will save your soul
00:29:23.380
and our entire civilization and built our entire civilization. The other option does really well
00:29:29.660
on TikTok. And, uh, our culture seems to be choosing the latter. There are two particular
00:29:37.160
heresies here that this guy is espousing. And the reason I, I mention it is because it, it pervades
00:29:42.920
our political culture. The heresies are Arianism, which denies the divinity of Christ. Uh, there's a
00:29:49.040
very famous account from the council of Nicaea where St. Nicholas, Santa Claus punches the arch
00:29:53.760
heretic Arius in the face because he doesn't want to take it no more. And, uh, and the other,
00:29:58.940
the other heresies Pelagianism, the idea that this woman earned her salvation, uh, that you can earn
00:30:04.120
your, your salvation through works, which sometimes, uh, certain Protestant denominations accuse the
00:30:08.860
Catholic church of doing. Uh, but that's just not true. The Catholic church condemned the,
00:30:12.880
the heresy of Pelagius many, many moons ago. These are heresies that have infected our modern
00:30:18.340
culture. We deny divinity. We deny the divinity of Christ undergirding our civilization. And also
00:30:26.060
we're really impressed with ourselves. And we think that we can, uh, save ourselves. Uh, this is
00:30:32.400
the motivating principle behind communism, behind so many of our modern ideologies. And it's, it, uh,
00:30:39.180
also speaks to our pride that we, uh, have now used to be considered the queen of all vices. Now it's
00:30:44.860
elevated as such a high virtue that we have parades dedicated to pride.
00:30:50.820
Speaking of actual issues with women, I have to touch on Andrew Cuomo here. Cuomo is being accused
00:30:56.200
of aggressively groping a woman. So, you know, this has been trickling out again and again.
00:31:01.880
First, a woman said, ah, he kind of looked at me wrong. Then, uh, then it was said,
00:31:06.260
there was some video that Cuomo gave a hot dog to a reporter and the reporter said, no, it's totally fine.
00:31:11.380
It wasn't lecherous at all. And they said, no, it's sexual harassment. Then he kissed somebody
00:31:15.720
maybe. Then he looked at someone the wrong way again. Now he's being accused of aggressively
00:31:21.800
groping some woman. Why are these trickling out so steadily, so gradually as they are? Because I
00:31:28.580
don't really take this scandal all that seriously. It seems pretty contrived to me. The real scandal,
00:31:35.880
as we have been pointing out on this show from the minute these, these, uh, accusations started
00:31:41.160
to break. The real scandal is COVID. Democrats don't want to talk about it. They want to push
00:31:46.340
this guy to the side, uh, for a reason that they won't really have to answer for, right? This sort
00:31:51.280
of sexism or something like that. Uh, that is maybe going to work. You know, Cuomo's on the ropes,
00:31:59.380
though. I have said, don't count this guy out from the very beginning when everyone said he's
00:32:02.520
completely dead. Do not count this guy out. This guy is a fighter. He's a survivor. He's been a
00:32:07.500
political animal his whole life. I think he's really bad for the state of New York. And I say
00:32:12.500
this as having been one of his constituents. I was his waiter one time. I, I guess I actually have
00:32:17.640
a couple of funny Andrew Cuomo stories. Uh, I don't think he's good for New York, but I do,
00:32:22.560
I do have a grudging respect for him. And I don't know that you can count him out yet. And that's why
00:32:26.960
he's going to force the issue on impeachment. He's not, not going to resign because the,
00:32:32.120
there's this morality play. It goes right back to what we were talking about with Jen Psaki.
00:32:36.060
They're trying to take the moral high ground by talking about some contrived sex thing.
00:32:41.980
Where's the morality on the nursing homes? Where's the morality on the actual COVID response? Where's
00:32:46.540
the morality more broadly? The democratic governors were the worst on COVID. Republican governors did
00:32:52.020
the best on COVID. Look at Cuomo, look at DeSantis. Where is the real morality? Or is it all just
00:32:59.400
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I am joined now by my friend, Candace Owens. Candace, I can't help but notice you are a woman.
00:35:11.260
You're black. Woman of color. I'm sorry, woman of color. You are famous. You are American. You
00:35:20.320
married a Brit. And yet, you turned out great. What was your secret and where did Meghan Markle go
00:35:27.220
wrong? Meghan Markle went wrong a lot of ways. First and foremost, she is a Hollywood leftist. That's
00:35:33.840
all you need to know. You know what I mean? And this story, this whole, everyone was like,
00:35:39.540
why did you get into this? Why does this really get under your skin? Because I married an Englishman.
00:35:44.680
My husband's father was in the House of Lords. That's like being a mechanic or something. I don't
00:35:50.240
know. Is that like an electrician shop somewhere in the UK? Yeah, exactly. And so it was definitely
00:35:56.200
a learning curve for me, even when I met my husband, going to England. And there's just like
00:36:00.940
different sets of rules. Their society is very traditional. And I was just, I loved it. I loved
00:36:06.900
stepping into someone's culture and not trying to change it. And this is the thing about the left
00:36:10.780
that drives me crazy, is that they just have no appreciation for tradition. They have no
00:36:14.800
appreciation for history. It's why they think that everything between Los Angeles and New York
00:36:19.640
needs to be, is backwards. Right. Right. And flyover. And yeah, the flyover, right. It needs a makeover.
00:36:25.540
And for her to just do that, to go to this country with all of their traditions and the queen,
00:36:30.900
of course, being so significant, the meaning of her just to have been sitting on the throne for that
00:36:36.800
long and having decades. With dignity, with grace. Yes. And she has seen the country through so much.
00:36:42.780
And to do what they did, just cheapen that and say, well, it's racism. This is the reason we had
00:36:47.800
to leave. It's racism. Meghan Markle, look black to you. Did anybody look at her and say, oh,
00:36:52.760
Harry's dating a black woman? My mother, seriously, my Sicilian mother was much darker than Meghan
00:36:58.400
Markle. You would have no idea. She has that thing in Hollywood, they call it ethnically ambiguous,
00:37:03.060
where you can play sort of any role. Right. She could have played an Indian woman in films.
00:37:06.720
She could have said that she could have said she was mixed race. I would have bought that. She
00:37:10.060
could have definitely said she was Italian. She has freckles. You know, you could have just
00:37:13.680
think that, you know, it's completely obscure. And yet she she's like, you know, I'm less than 25%
00:37:18.740
black. But I've realized that because I'm getting bad press, I can say the bad press is because
00:37:23.580
I'm less than 25% black, because there is this purity test. Every time they write a hit piece,
00:37:27.680
they say, well, is there any black in this person? Well, that's the reason we're going to we're
00:37:30.980
going to write a horrible piece about them. And especially being me, because I have a public profile.
00:37:35.520
And as you know, they have written so many bad things about me. Really nice things. Like that
00:37:40.140
time they accused me of a mosque shooting in New Zealand. That's right. I've never been to New
00:37:44.440
Zealand. I don't even write about mosques or Muslims or anything. But they were like, Candace did
00:37:48.220
this. I woke up worldwide news. I had people in France, like in China. And people were asking me
00:37:53.400
for comments everywhere. And I don't think I have ever once said this bad press is because I'm black.
00:37:58.840
So it's just, it's such a, there's a cowardice. And it's such an excuse. I saw there's a great
00:38:04.280
headline in the Babylon Bee said, Meghan Markle inspires millions of girls by showing that no
00:38:08.940
matter how rich, beautiful and famous you are, you too can be oppressed. Right. You know, she's
00:38:13.500
oppressed and she's sitting across from Oprah. You know what I mean? And she's, they've been living
00:38:17.080
in a, actually, I think at some point they were at Tyler Perry's $100 million home somewhere
00:38:22.040
flying on his planes. And you really want me to buy that you were chased out of the country because I
00:38:27.040
guess you were less than 25% black. And then the richest part of the story is them claiming
00:38:31.960
that Archie wasn't given a title because he was black. Has anyone seen a picture of Archie? And I
00:38:37.140
say this seriously, if you believe that Archie suffered anti-black racism, then I'm a Nigerian
00:38:42.500
prince and I just need your credit card details. And you're going to see me from this stranded
00:38:47.280
island. This, you know, I'm so glad to hear this is your take on this because I have to say I was a
00:38:51.220
little frustrated. I understood it, but I was frustrated with the conservative reaction to this,
00:38:55.560
which is who cares about the Royal family? I stopped caring about them in 1776. To me,
00:39:02.400
that argument falls flat because the Royal family represents this long conservative tradition
00:39:10.740
in the United Kingdom. And to me, I think the reason the Meghan Markle story has really got you
00:39:16.820
excited, kind of excited a lot of us is because it's this awful sort of modern millennial idea that
00:39:23.820
everything in the past is bad and wicked and racist is the word for that. And I, no matter
00:39:29.920
what privileges I have, we all are so privileged. I am actually a victim and you all need to feel
00:39:34.920
bad for me. And the minute that I can't do exactly what I want to do, this woman chose to marry into
00:39:41.580
the Royal family. It's not like it was a blind date. It's not like on the third date, Harry said,
00:39:45.220
oh, you know, darling, I have something I have to tell you. I haven't told you about my job yet.
00:39:49.640
But, you know, she didn't, it's not as though she thought his first name were Prince, you know,
00:39:53.300
like the musician, right? She knows who he is. And she chose to do this.
00:39:58.400
Oh, you know what's up? She said she never Googled him. No, no. When he got down on one knee,
00:40:03.320
that's when she was like, oh my gosh, he's a prince. And she found out it was Princess Diana. And even that
00:40:08.180
is so absurd. Michael, I Google everyone. I'll get into a car with an Uber driver and I'll be like,
00:40:12.360
what's your name? Just checking this background here and make sure things are okay. You're going
00:40:15.840
to tell me you wanted a date and you didn't Google, you didn't LinkedIn profile. This is what we do.
00:40:19.340
And especially her, who, a big piece of story that's missing, she went to the UK with the
00:40:24.340
intention of marrying up. She had a PR person who owned an entire piece. She hired a public relations
00:40:29.820
firm to try to get, to start dating a football player. So that was her thing. She was like, okay,
00:40:35.340
they found a football player. She was trying to get a date with them. She really overperformed here,
00:40:37.540
yeah. Right, exactly. And she landed on a prince. And, you know, Piers Morgan, who I really can't stand,
00:40:41.300
but he talks about how he reached out to her and she kept saying she wanted to get involved in the
00:40:44.760
circles because it just wasn't working for her in America. It wasn't working for her in Canada.
00:40:48.280
So she was like, okay, let me try, let me try England. But she had no idea who Prince Harry or
00:40:53.340
Prince William or Kate Middleton. She just missed that whole thing. Right. Of course. Wow. What are
00:40:57.480
the odds? Yeah. What are the odds? See what she described herself as? Because we should talk about
00:41:00.940
that. I didn't watch the interview, but she said she felt like the little mermaid who fell in love with
00:41:06.560
a prince and lost her voice. If only. I know. If only. I mean, just trying to think of a straight
00:41:12.180
face like she did. Let me try. I felt like, you know, the little mermaid who went over and found
00:41:19.100
a prince and fell in love and lost my voice. It's just as believable as you say this on air,
00:41:25.020
of course. My favorite part, as she's saying these sorts of things, occasionally Harry would try to,
00:41:31.400
say, will you notice? Get out of here, Harry. Stop it. Don't listen to it. Listen to camera on
00:41:37.020
me, folks. Oh, she's so unbearable. And again, I'm glad you brought up the fact that a lot of
00:41:41.920
conservatives were so dismissive. I hate that because, you know, we so often talk about how
00:41:46.860
the left is ignorant, right? To not try to understand what it is about the royals that is
00:41:52.400
so significant. It is not just like, oh, I'll praise them because they're kings and queens and
00:41:57.820
princesses. It really isn't about that. What they represent is history, right? And that is
00:42:03.400
what they love about them is that these people, they never issue political statements. They don't
00:42:06.700
just go where the wind blows. And there is something about Americans, even the conservative
00:42:10.720
Americans, that we have the strand of progressivism because, listen, look, our country was built on
00:42:15.100
that, right? We were built on kind of tearing down traditions. And sometimes, yes, traditions need
00:42:19.400
to be torn down. But where we're at today, where you have no appreciation for anything,
00:42:23.780
and that is why hashtag abolish, you know, which they're so dumb, they're like abolish the monarchy
00:42:28.600
as if the monarchy has any power anymore. And actually, abolish the royal family is where
00:42:33.560
we're at because they just want everything torn down, newer, faster, and they want the world
00:42:37.940
to look like whatever Hollywood singers and actresses think that it ought to look like.
00:42:42.360
Well, this was it. It's sort of this woman seemed that she wanted to play a Disney princess
00:42:48.980
more than she wanted to be an actual princess. And how true is that of so much of our society?
00:42:55.540
You know, Edmund Burke, the great conservative philosopher, his big distinction between the
00:43:00.100
American Revolution and the French Revolution was that the American Revolution was kind of
00:43:04.540
conservative. It didn't destroy everything, right? Whereas the French Revolution really did destroy
00:43:08.640
everything. And so there was always this sense in America that we want to really, we want to be the
00:43:14.180
real thing. You know, there is a kind of tradition here. And we didn't want to become this really
00:43:21.080
shallow, abstracted culture that unfortunately, it seems like we're becoming. And you know,
00:43:27.620
you hear so often from conservatives, we need to take back the culture, we need to fight back in
00:43:32.360
the culture. Well, you know, in order to do that, we're going to need to get really serious. And we're
00:43:37.840
going to have to start saying like, no, don't do that. That is a bad thing. You know,
00:43:42.580
we need to defend an older set of standards. Right. I think too often, we meet people in the
00:43:49.200
middle. And it's such an easy game. But there's, wait, there's actually an expression that you use
00:43:53.320
to talk about when, what is the Overton theory, right? The Overton window. Yeah, exactly. That's
00:43:57.080
exactly what the left is doing. It's brilliant, right? They're just, they say something so extreme,
00:44:00.060
like here we are. And they say something so extreme that they're like, men can give birth.
00:44:05.640
Yeah. I'm like, no, they can't, no, they can't. But eventually we say, okay, please don't say that.
00:44:08.520
We'll meet you halfway. And now we're inching closer to where they are. You know how we do this. We always,
00:44:12.000
we always say, look, men, men, men can't give birth, right? Men are not women. But then we
00:44:15.640
start edging in this way when we'll start saying so-and-so is a biological male. Right. And it's
00:44:20.380
like, no, it's a man. He's just a man. He's just a man. He's not like, he's not like a psychological
00:44:24.420
woman, but it's just, it's just one thing. Right. Because we start to be conciliatory,
00:44:30.300
guess what? You look up 10 years later and you're way far down the line. That's exactly. And that's
00:44:33.780
what's happened. That's literally what's happened, especially in this last decade, is that we just keep
00:44:37.380
meeting them halfway. But the halfway is also, it's always moving towards their ridiculous
00:44:41.840
far left point. And I think that there needs to be more. People say to me, oh, Candace,
00:44:45.740
you're so far right. I'm like, actually, I'm just right. Right. I'm just right. I'm actually
00:44:49.620
almost in the middle. Yes. Because you guys have gone so crazy.
00:44:52.440
10 years ago, you would have been considered a centrist. A centrist. A normal human being.
00:44:56.980
Like, you know, when we accepted that men and women were men and women, and now you're actually
00:45:02.420
being called a bigot. I mean, yesterday, International Women's Day, the ACLU tweets about saying,
00:45:08.840
you know, trans women are women. On International Women's Day, you said men are women.
00:45:15.100
You know what I mean? Trans woman means man, right? This is a different word for man. So
00:45:19.180
you just tweeted out, in order to celebrate women, let me tell you how much men can be
00:45:23.700
You know, though, you're being modest here. And this is actually something I'm very excited
00:45:26.500
for about your show, Candace, right, which is launching, is that you, right, you're just
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saying sort of normal things. I don't think anything you're saying is extreme. But most people
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do not have the cojones to do it. Talking about men and women, most people don't have the guts
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to do it. And you, I don't know what it is, because we've been friends for years. I remember
00:45:48.620
you back in the old timey days on YouTube. And you, more than just about anybody, have
00:45:56.580
been able to withstand this onslaught from the left and throw it back in their face and
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not let them cancel you. And it's really, I don't know how you've done it.
00:46:07.280
I just hope that I show people that there's no consequence, you know, for telling the truth.
00:46:12.000
And you just, just say it, say it again, say it again, say it again. They can only cancel
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you so many times, right? Once they went to, once I survived, like, being accused of a mosque
00:46:20.440
shooting in New Zealand, I was like, okay, well, where do we go from here? What else are you
00:46:25.220
And so I think that I've just bounced back and I've been unapologetic, which is the most
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important thing. Don't say sorry. Don't say sorry, because once you start saying sorry
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to the left, you will never stop saying sorry to the left, right? Because it's not about
00:46:38.100
them being an apology. They need, they want pure capitulation. They want to make sure you
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capitulate to everything they say. What they're seeking, actually, is their own kind of monarchy,
00:46:46.800
right? Like, they're seeking to rule over you, your opinions, your ideas.
00:46:51.460
Exactly. That is their established church. They seek for you to be their peasants. And
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the second you say sorry, you become that. So I just say, don't say sorry.
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Speaking of the church, I mean, this is something I've really struggled with. I think you're
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completely right. But look, as a Christian, I want to apologize when I feel I've done something
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wrong. I have no problem doing that. To, oh, miserable sinner that I am, I really don't
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mind it. Except I know that's not really what it is. That's not, when you apologize to the
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left, it's not, first of all, they're not seeking that in good faith.
00:47:24.760
That is what it is. It's sort of, it's unfortunate. Because I'd love to be in a society where I'd
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say, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Sorry.
00:47:30.500
Yeah, exactly. And, you know, it's funny, because I did an interview the other day, and
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they said to me, sort of in preparation for the show, like, is there anything that you look
00:47:38.220
back on in the past that you're sorry for? Like, things that you've tweeted and things
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of that nature. And I said, no. And I said, because I want to give permission to people
00:47:46.460
that are following me to know that you're allowed to change your mind. Yeah. Remember
00:47:49.980
this thing where I used to grow up? Like, you know, a long time ago, I used to think
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Barbies were the coolest thing, and then all day, society should be run by us playing Barbies
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in the room. That was Candace at four years old. Am I allowed to evolve from that position
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Well, I love it. You know, people throw this at you a lot. They'll say, you used to be left
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wing, but now you're conservative. Ha ha, I got you.
00:48:09.060
Yeah. I got a couple of brain cells. I opened a book. You know what I mean? I opened a book,
00:48:13.280
and I'm like, it's just so ridiculous. And what is so alarming about that sort of a culture,
00:48:18.560
like, forget us. Like, we're adults. We're old. We have kids now, right?
00:48:22.880
I'm trying to get fat, too. I'm already old, but I want to be old and fat.
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Think about kids. How hard it is to be a kid today when you are being told that if you
00:48:30.720
make a mistake, you're done. You're over. You're canceled. You know, you say one wrong
00:48:35.000
thing. When I was a kid, we didn't have Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, so I could just be a crappy
00:48:38.720
human being for one day and say horrible things, and then the next day be like, oh, you know,
00:48:41.760
that didn't feel too good. I'm going to be someone different today. And I was allowed to
00:48:44.340
grow. That's what growing up is. You learn because you do things wrong. Even toddlers,
00:48:47.900
they're violent toddlers. They're throwing things down. You know what I mean? They are.
00:48:51.040
Violent human beings, they think through things, and they just, they choose violence every day,
00:48:54.340
toddlers, right? Even my cute little newborn, you know, he'll throw punches at me.
00:48:57.980
Same. Yeah, same thing. And it's like, now the left is like, you are exactly who you are
00:49:02.140
when you are two is when you are four. Candace, when Candace, three years ago in politics,
00:49:06.020
I've pretty much grown up politically, you know, has to, you know, make apologies or make amends.
00:49:10.700
No, if I said it then, I meant it then. But if I transform my opinion, here's why. This is what
00:49:14.980
it looks like to grow up. Right. That's right. That's right. You know, if, if I had social media
00:49:20.900
when I was 11 or 12. Canceled. Could you, yeah. Could you imagine? And the show right now.
00:49:26.580
Is there forever. But I love it because it takes a lot of gumption to be able to say, yeah,
00:49:30.220
oh, I thought this thing a few years ago. Yeah. And now guess what? I've matured. I've educated
00:49:35.080
myself. Maybe that's something we can all do as a culture as well. You know, one great way people can do
00:49:39.500
that. Tuning into Candace on the Daily Wire. I can't wait. It's going to be fabulous. I'm so
00:49:44.680
excited. Yeah. I'll be issuing tons of non-apologies when people are offended. I go the next day. I
00:49:49.260
mean, even seeing that tail in between the legs, copy and pasted apology that so many people do,
00:49:54.480
like, you know, like they say one thing and then it's suddenly like the next day on their show,
00:49:57.460
they're like, you know, you know, I want to apologize for some things that I said that made
00:50:01.240
perfect sense. But I see, I hear you that you're offended. So therefore we're all growing. And it's
00:50:06.420
just like, shut up. Just say, I'm sorry you were offended. Yeah. And maybe don't watch my show.
00:50:11.640
There have been a few times where there's been a lot of pressure to give the apology. And I think
00:50:15.380
there's an old Sicilian expression. It's just a little flick underneath your chin. That's what
00:50:20.520
I think about it. My dear, I can't wait for the show to start. Everybody's got to tune in and watch
00:50:24.720
it. Candace on the Daily Wire. I will be eagerly watching it just from right across the way.
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And I'll see you around the office water cooler. Love it. Ta-da.
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