Ep. 747 - The Unjust Verdict
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Derek Chauvin was found not guilty of first-degree murder in the death of George Valdez, a black man who was shot to death by a white police officer on a street corner in the early morning hours of November 4th, 2014.
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I never thought I would agree with AOC. I never thought, I really never thought I would agree
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with AOC on something like the George Floyd case, the trial of Derek Chauvin for the, not just the
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killing of George Floyd, the murder of George Floyd. And yet AOC and I agree on a very narrow
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point. We agree that the verdict that the jury reached was unjust. So no, this verdict is not
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justice. Frankly, I don't even think we call it full accountability because there are
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multiple officers that were there. Wasn't just Derek Chauvin. And I also don't want this
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moment to be framed as this system working, working because it's not working. And
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that's what creates a lot of complexity in this moment. That's what creates a lot of complexity.
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What's the complexity? The verdict is just or it's unjust. I think it's unjust. AOC seems to think
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it's unjust. So good. We'll get rid of it on appeal, right? I don't think that's exactly what
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she's saying. On this narrow point though, AOC is right for all the wrong reasons. I'm Michael
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Knowles. It's the Michael Knowles show. Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday
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from top 10 guy one, who says the judge looked at the latest CNN ratings and naturally assumed that
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nobody on the jury has been watching the news. That's a very good point. Actually, that's an astute
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observation. The judge famously in this case said, look, what Maxine Waters said, maybe that should
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cause this to result in a mistrial. The threats that people are seeing from not just the radicals
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on the left, not just the street people, but, but even from the elected officials, the pressure from
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Joe Biden. But what, what the judge said was, I trust that the jury is following instructions and
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not listening to the news. Well, you're right. CNN ratings are the only evidence for that claim.
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But I think the overwhelming evidence is of course the jury knew what this trial meant. BLM burned the
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country down last year over this. So even if they weren't reading the New York times every day during
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the trial, they knew exactly what was going on. You heard AOC mention this distinction between justice
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and accountability. And you're going to hear the left make this distinction a lot over the next few
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days. It's kind of like this distinction that they're making between equality and equity. And
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on the one hand, these distinctions are meaningless. They're distinctions without a difference. But I do
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think actually that there is some worthwhile distinction here between accountability and justice. Usually,
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usually what the left does when they coin new terms like this, or when they put a lot of emphasis on
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one term over another is they say, look, obviously this isn't justice. This was mob rule here.
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The total overwhelming of the judicial system. The guy was convicted in the media, not in a court of
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law. However, we need to still say that it's sort of like just, so we're just going to make a new term
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equality. Well, we're going to make a new term equity. And we like equity and we hate equality.
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Well, here, what's the difference between accountability and justice? I think the subtle difference
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here is that justice refers to an eternal objective concept, right? Justice refers to
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the moral law, which is eternally true, whatever we all think here on earth, even if we act very
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unjustly, like the sort of injustice we saw yesterday in the Derek Chauvin trial. Accountability is a
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little different. Accountability is like responsiveness to people. So when, when you're talking about,
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there's no accountability, I think it very subtly plays into this radical subjectivism that you're
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seeing from the left and especially from people like AOC on the left, which is that, look, there
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are no eternal standards. We're going to remake the whole system. We're going to upend the entire
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moral order. We're going to flip society inside out. And the only standard that will matter is what
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we think we, the people who make the standards. You, you will not have to worry about justice
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and accountability, accountability to God. You're just, you'll just worry about accountability,
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meaning, you know, responsiveness to me, to us, we, the radical leftists who are going to remake the
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world by redefining all the terms. That it's a, it's a subtle distinction, but I do think that's what
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is at play here. That the left is ultimately interested. This is why they don't want to say
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that justice was served here in the case of Derek Chauvin is because what they're ultimately interested
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in is not reforming the police system or reforming the justice system a little bit. That is completely
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disingenuous when they say that they want to undo the whole thing. They're saying the entire
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country is rotten to the core and it won't be set right until they are in power and they get to
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remake everything. And even then it's going to be a perpetual revolution. This is what the left always does.
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It's why Fidel Castro was wearing his military fatigues until he was 92 years old because the
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revolution is still going on. It doesn't matter that Castro held power for 60 years. No, there's
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still more work to do. Viva siempre la revolución. That I think is what is at play here. It's why it's
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so important to pay very close attention to these little words is when, when you accept the left's
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new language, you accept whole premises here. This is very much the subject of my book,
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longer it will be available for pre-order. So the jury comes out and in a deeply unjust
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decision, reads their verdict. Derek Chauvin, guilty as charged.
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Members of the jury, I will now read the verdicts as they will appear in the permanent records of the
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4th Judicial District. State of Minnesota, County of Hennepin, District Court, 4th Judicial District,
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State of Minnesota Plaintiff versus Derek Michael Chauvin, Defendant. Verdict, count one.
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Court file number 27, CR20-12646. We, the jury, in the above entitled matter as to count one,
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3rd Degree Murder, perpetrating an eminently dangerous act. Find the defendant guilty.
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Unintentional second degree murder while committing a felony. Find the defendant guilty.
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Unintentional second degree murder while committing a felony. Find the defendant guilty. This verdict
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agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1 44 PM. Signed juror 4 person, juror number 19.
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Same caption, verdict count two. We, the jury, in the above entitled matter as to count two,
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3rd Degree Murder, perpetrating an eminently dangerous act. Find the defendant guilty.
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This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1 45 PM. Signed by jury 4 person, juror number 19.
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Same caption, verdict count three. We, the jury, in the above entitled matter as to count three,
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2nd Degree Manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk. Find the defendant guilty.
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This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1 45 PM. Jury 4 person 019.
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There it is. Derek Chauvin staying basically perfectly stoic as this is being read out. They're accusing him
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not, or convicting him, I suppose, not just of negligence, not just of manslaughter, but of murder.
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The intentional killing of George Floyd. What was the evidence for that? I, here's the evidence that I
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think impelled the jury to reach this guilty verdict on all counts. Maxine Waters says there's going to be
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riots. I think that was very important evidence. The president of the United States, but so many other
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people. Kamala Harris bailing the, the George Floyd rioters out of, out of jail last year. BLM torching the
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whole country. Threats to the livelihoods and lives of the jurors families and to themselves. I'm not
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even saying explicit threats. I'm saying the implicit threat of a mobster who walks in and says, gosh,
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nice place you got here. Sure would be a shame if something happened to it. And that threat had
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credibility because BLM got away with burning the country down last year, along with Antifa.
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I think that's the evidence that led to the guilty verdict because the evidence presented in court
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weakened the prosecution's case. The evidence presented in court, remember the whole argument
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that the media made about George Floyd's death is that Derek Chauvin intentionally put the knee on the
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neck and blocked his airway. And that's the way, that's why he died and there was nothing else. Then we
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find out later on, actually he had three times the lethal dosage of fentanyl in his system.
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Actually, Derek Chauvin didn't pull him out of that car and drag him to the ground to murder him.
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George Floyd asked to be taken out of the car. Actually, the claim of George Floyd, when he said,
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I can't breathe, he was saying that before Chauvin basically even had his hands on him.
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More and more and more and more and more evidence. Even the neck thing. Later on,
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the prosecution changed its case. The argument initially was Chauvin had the knee on George
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Floyd's neck. Then it became, he had the knee on his neck area. What's the neck area? Oh, I don't
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know, your back, your shoulders. It didn't even have the neckline right. So if we're just looking
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at new evidence presented in court, at the very most, this guy would have gotten manslaughter. Maybe
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he would have gotten off completely, but that wasn't the evidence here. That's why it's an unjust verdict.
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Even regardless of whether or not Derek Chauvin committed the manslaughter, it's an unjust verdict
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because the whole system was upended. We heard the judge say this yesterday, except this cowardly
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judge didn't want to actually follow his argument to its logical conclusion when he said, yeah,
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Maxine Waters coming out and threatening everybody and inciting riots if they don't get the verdict that
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they want. That might result in, in the declaration of a mistrial on, on appeal. That might create
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problems on appeal. But here, right now, I don't want to do that. I'm not going to do that.
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That, that is deeply unjust. It should, that is, as AOC would say, though for all the different reasons,
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one of the arguments that the justice system is not working. Moreover though, I feel bad for Derek
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Chauvin. I do. I know you're not allowed to say that, but I do. I feel bad for Derek Chauvin because
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this isn't about him. None of this trial is about him. None of the trial is about what happened between
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him and George Floyd. None of the facts matter to the verdict in that trial. Here's, here's what
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matters. St. George, St. George Floyd died as a martyr. He was persecuted for his skin color by a
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racist, bigoted, probably member of the Ku Klux Klan named Derek Chauvin. And he was murdered and
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Chauvin planned this out, you know, and he just couldn't wait to murder him because he hates black
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people. And then finally the people woke up, people of all good faith in America. They woke up in a
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creed to occur and they demanded justice and they peacefully protested. There was a little fire.
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There's some buildup, but it was mostly fiery, but mostly peaceful protests. And now we have
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defeated this evil, this perfect ultimate evil in Derek Chauvin. Of course, the evil of racism remains,
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but this is a great victory. Derek Chauvin is going to go to prison right now
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because of that narrative. Whether or not Derek Chauvin did anything wrong, I'm really not coming
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in one way or the other on whether or not he did anything wrong here on, on even on the manslaughter
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charge. I'm just saying that's completely separate from why Derek Chauvin is going to prison.
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This, this is what's going on in this country right now.
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The justice system is disconnected from a sense of justice. It's not for the reason AOC says though.
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working, this isn't justice. What does she mean? Let me ask you something. What is justice?
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We're now told justice is rehabilitation, right? That's what's the point of the justice system to
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rehabilitate people? I don't know. We could all use a little rehabilitation, couldn't we? We all
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have some bad traits. So why aren't we all in the justice system? Well, okay. It's not primarily
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about rehabilitation, but it's about deterrence. It's good to deter crimes. Yes, I agree.
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But if you wanted to deter a crime, you could just make an example of someone who,
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whether or not he committed the crime or not, right? This is what happens in very authoritarian
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governments. It's not that. Oh, right. Retribution. That is what the primary purpose of the justice
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system is. If you commit a crime, you get punished for that crime. Not primarily out of rehabilitation
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or primarily out of deterrence, but because you committed the crime. And justice demands it.
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But we don't believe in justice anymore. Even people on the right don't believe in justice.
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They have a better conception of it than people on the left do. But really what this is about
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is interest groups. Really what this is about is social engineering. The left is saying, regardless
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of the facts of the trial, don't pay attention to the facts of the trial. We need Chauvin to go to,
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to prison because that will create a better society because that will fight the scourge of racism.
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Yeah. It's not about what Chauvin, forget about George Floyd's career of crime. Forget about George
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Floyd. Yeah. He robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint. That's not, that's beside the point. Yeah. He was
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committing a crime at the very moment he was killed or just moments prior, which was what prompted his
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arrest. Sure. But that's not, that's not what this is about. This is about our leftist vision of
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society. And you got to feel bad for Chauvin there. What this means for cops. The guy was doing his job.
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What, what did Derek Chauvin do that day? He showed up with some other cops and tried to arrest a
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criminal who was committing a crime. It's not even like he went up and he said, you know, George,
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not so long ago, you robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint. That's, so we're going to arrest you now.
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No, that actually would have been unjust, right? Because these were different situations. But
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Floyd was passing counterfeit bills and taking a bunch of illegal drugs. And so Chauvin does his
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job, tries to arrest the guy, resists arrest, asks to be taken out. Maybe Chauvin made some mistakes.
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Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. A just trial would have tried to suss that out.
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But regardless, because basically because Derek Chauvin took on a risky job,
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he is now going to go to prison for murder. But who cares what the witnesses say? Who cares what
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the expert, expert witnesses say in the trial? Who cares what the lawyers are saying?
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This is a political matter. And so we have to turn to the president of the United States,
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Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden both spoke about this last night. Kamala spoke first
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because she, you know, the president has to speak first. So Kamala comes out there and she says
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that this is about George Floyd's legacy. And we are all part of that legacy.
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We are all a part of George Floyd's legacy. And our job now is to honor it and to honor him. Thank
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you. We are not part of George Floyd's legacy. I am not part of George Floyd's legacy. We should
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not honor George Floyd. George Floyd did not live an honorable life. He led a very dishonorable
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life. He didn't, it's not even that he led a dishonorable life and then he reformed,
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which plenty of people, I think we all kind of do that. He was committing crimes in his very last
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moments. Why would we honor that? Why would we want to be part of that legacy? I'm not saying if,
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if he really were murdered, I don't think he was murdered. I don't think there's any evidence that
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he was murdered. I don't think there's any evidence that his killing or his death was racially motivated
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either. But let's say, let's say that all of that is true. And it was this, you know, terribly unjust
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event. And certainly it's tragic. Death of any man is tragic. Is, is that the legacy? What, why is
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that? What is his legacy? George Floyd's legacy is the stuff he did in his life. He didn't have the
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sort of life that you want to write wonderful autobiographies about. What Kamala is really saying
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here is that, is not that we are part of George Floyd's legacy. She's saying we are George Floyd's
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legacy. That ironically, what she's saying is George, George Floyd's life didn't matter.
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Isn't that ironic? Is the whole line is black lives matter. But the point here is no,
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George Floyd's life did not matter. The things that he actually did right up until the very last
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moments of his life, they don't matter. All that matters when we think of George Floyd,
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we should not think of George Floyd. We should think of Kamala Harris. We should think of leftist
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politicians who exploited this guy's death to radically re-engineer some aspects of policy
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and to destroy credibility in the justice system. That's the point. Joe Biden then spoke afterwards.
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Is Joe, I think Joe Biden's also in the white house, isn't he? I know Kamala's running the show
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over there, but, but Joe, he's, he's still sort of daughters around the hallways. I think he'll
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kind of go, he'll go have lunch. Then he'll go back and watch his, his episodes in the afternoon.
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Joe Biden had already spoken out. Joe Biden, before the verdict came down, he,
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the president of the United States pressured the justice system, the judiciary to give him the
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verdict that he wanted. He said that he was praying for the right verdict.
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They're a good family and they're calling for peace and tranquility, no matter what that verdict is.
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I'm praying the verdict is the right verdict, which is, I think it's overwhelming in my view.
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I wouldn't say that unless the jury was sequestered now and not hear me say that.
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But so we, we just talked a little, I want to know how they were doing just personally. And we
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talked about personal things. Look, I wouldn't say that, you know, but Hey,
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the jury's sequestered. I'm sure they're not getting any information about this. So one of
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the issues in this, this trial, of course, is that the jury had hadn't been totally sequestered
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the whole time, you know, the day, and obviously it doesn't even matter if they were,
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this is the biggest story in the world. The left took a local crime story of criminal gets arrested.
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There's a question of was there excessive force used that that was the whole, that's the whole
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story. This story happens lots of times every single day, but the left thought this is going
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to be useful to push a racial narrative. So we're going to make this not just a national,
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but an international news story. So there's no way to keep the jury from being affected by that.
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And what does Joe Biden do? The, the mostly peaceful fire that BLM lit around the country,
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he went and poured gasoline on it. They said they, we need the right verdict.
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Hey though, I'm sure, come on, man. I'm sure that the, that the jury is not going to be affected by
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my statements or Maxine Waters' statements or any of the other statements that have been made for a
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year. Give me a break. Come on, man. That's a bunch of malarkey. So Joe Biden had already set the
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stage for this. Then he comes on after Kamala Harris spoke and he, gosh, Joe Biden, he couldn't
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have been happier with the way the jury ruled. It was a murder in the full light of day and it
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ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see the systemic racism the vice president just referred
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to. There were systemic racism as a stain on our nation's soul. The knee on the neck of justice for
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black Americans. Profound fear and trauma. The pain, the exhaustion that black and brown Americans
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experience every single day. The murder of George Floyd launched a summer of protest. We hadn't seen
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since the civil rights here in the sixties protests that unified people of every race and generation
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in peace and with purpose to say enough, enough, enough of this senseless killings today.
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Today, today's verdict is a step forward. Is anything there that he said true? Is any single word that he said
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true? The peaceful protests, the, the unity, the, the, the step forward? What's the step forward?
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It was an exercise in the power of the left-wing establishment. And so he got his will in that the
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justice system was overrun by his political interest group, the left. That's true.
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So I guess in a way it's a step forward for him. Certainly a step backward, forward and backward.
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So it's a step, definitely a step in the wrong direction for the United States. And what it led
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to, I think, I don't think this was an act of the legal system. I think this was a fundamentally,
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this, this verdict was a fundamentally religious act and it involved a lot of religious premises
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and it's going to have cultural and political ramifications for years and decades to come.
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Ben will be talking about the verdict on his show, his title, the jury got it wrong.
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Pretty simple. You know, Ben, Ben and I don't always agree on everything, but I think we're
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pretty, pretty much in agreement on this. And so Ben will be giving much more of a, a legal
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perspective here. I'll be giving the religious perspective. He'll be giving the, the legal perspective
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I don't think that what happened yesterday at the Derek Chauvin trial was primarily a legal event.
00:26:19.340
I don't think the reading of the verdict was a legal event. I don't think it was based on a proper
00:26:23.220
reading of the law. I don't think it was based on the evidence presented in the court. I don't think
00:26:27.500
it was primarily about our system of justice that we thought we had in this country. I think it was
00:26:34.620
primarily a religious event. I think it was the canonization of St. George Floyd. And I think
00:26:41.220
this was about a religious ecstasy to triumph over the evil that had become incarnate in the person
00:26:49.780
of Derek Chauvin. The language that people are using to talk about this trial, they're saying
00:26:55.120
George Floyd sacrificed his life to justice. He did not. He was involved in injustice for his
00:27:03.240
whole life. He was a criminal. I don't say, look, I actually don't think you should really speak
00:27:07.960
ill of the dead. So I'm not saying George Floyd's the worst person in the world. I'm not saying he
00:27:12.580
never had a good impulse. I'm not saying he never even tried to pursue that impulse, but he obviously
00:27:17.840
ultimately failed to do it. This is a warning call for a lot of us. There are a lot of people who do a
00:27:22.320
lot of bad things who I think are waiting for a sudden conversion before death. Well, guess what?
00:27:29.120
Death can meet us when we least expect it. So you should be trying to do the right thing. You should be
00:27:33.460
trying to get your, your life and your soul in order before then. Regardless of the, if, if George
00:27:40.140
Floyd had any intentions to turn his life around, he didn't do it. His life was a, an exercise in
00:27:46.660
injustice. And yet now we're being told he sacrificed his life to justice. Why? Because the facts of his
00:27:51.760
life don't matter. All that matters about George Floyd, according to the left, is his skin color. And there
00:27:56.600
is a system of white supremacy in this country. And, and as LeBron James says, black people can't walk out of
00:28:02.600
their homes without being hunted down by racist whites. That's the narrative. Totally divorced
00:28:07.880
from reality, but that is the religious myth that we are being told by the left. And as a result of
00:28:16.700
this, we need to pursue an inversion of the virtues. In Christianity, you have the incarnation of absolute
00:28:25.620
good. Christ himself, right? Christ is the good. He is God. He's the second person of the Trinity.
00:28:32.580
He is incarnate into the world. He dies to redeem mankind. In the leftist religion, you don't have
00:28:40.820
the incarnation of absolute good. You have the incarnation of absolute evil. And this is according
00:28:45.880
to the identity group. So you have the physical representation of absolute evil, which is now,
00:28:51.900
you hear this in, I guess, white supremacy, the patriarchy, right? It's the straight white man who
00:28:58.860
thinks he's a man. So he's cisgendered, right? This person, and it's always becoming more narrow into
00:29:05.120
this absolute distillation of evil. That is the representation of everything that is wrong in the
00:29:09.360
world. And so regardless of the facts of this trial, if it, if it can be said to partake of those
00:29:15.200
issues, then you've got to try to defeat evil and you'll canonize criminals even if their death is
00:29:22.000
politically useful for this purpose. That's what's going on. This is a substitute religion.
00:29:28.140
We, we, we still have a liturgical calendar in this country. Okay. We have a liturgical calendar.
00:29:33.060
We, we have whole months dedicated to leftist views of history, black history month, women's history
00:29:40.920
month, pride month. These are, it's not even primarily about black people or women or, or homosexuals
00:29:47.720
even. It's about this very particular leftist view of history, which involves then a liturgical
00:29:53.860
practice. The, the new liturgy of, of this religion is the mostly peaceful protest, right? I mean, that
00:30:01.000
is, that is the religious expression. It is the state church. It's why during 2020, the BLM riots were
00:30:07.560
protected by the public health officials who are our high priests. They said, you get to go out,
00:30:13.680
you get to riot, you get to protest the George Floyd thing because, and they made up some cockamamie
00:30:19.360
excuse of how that actually is good for public health amid a pandemic to go out and rally by the
00:30:23.940
thousands. But if you go to church, if you go to actual church, that is a violation. You'll be shut
00:30:28.880
down. The church will be fined, not allowed to do that. It's because we have a state religion in this
00:30:34.000
country that is secular progressivism. And by the way, I get it. Man is a naturally religious being.
00:30:40.020
We have religious longings. The leftists who go out in ecstasy to jump and dance around and,
00:30:45.800
and rob the Nike store at their worst, they are engaging in a sort of community. They're engaging
00:30:50.940
in a sort of liturgy. They're engaging in a, a perverse inversion of sacraments. They are
00:30:57.840
celebrating their perverse understanding of virtue, which takes pride, the queen of all vices to,
00:31:05.100
to become the highest virtue of all. Not even just, it's not even just gay pride. It's all sorts of
00:31:09.140
pride. It's fat pride, skinny pride, all kinds of pride that just, it inverts all of them. It makes
00:31:15.640
wrath, which is a deadly sin, makes that into a virtue, takes humility, which is a virtue. It
00:31:22.720
inverts that. It says, nope, can't, no humility. That's awful. Patience. No, we have to be impatient.
00:31:28.640
Chastity. No, we have to be licentious and promiscuous. It just inverts all of it. Well,
00:31:34.620
okay, we're going to have a religion. Everybody's got to serve somebody to quote Bob Dylan. So that
00:31:39.560
is what is going on here. But I've got, I've got a question that I think so many people are not aware
00:31:45.400
of the religious character of, of these rituals. Okay, fine. And maybe we're not going to reach them
00:31:52.680
by asking these very heady sorts of questions. And, and point, or rather pointing out all these very
00:31:59.820
kind of esoteric observations about the way that the BLM people are, are rioting and the way that
00:32:08.520
we're talking about George Floyd and justice. Okay. Maybe you can ask simple questions though,
00:32:13.320
to get to the heart of this. Why is racism wrong? First, what is racism, right? Racial hatred,
00:32:22.860
I guess you would call, is that simple enough explanation or definition? Why is racism wrong?
00:32:27.400
I can say why racism is wrong because it's an affront against human dignity because man is
00:32:32.720
made in the image of God. Simple. Done. That's it. That's why it's wrong. I don't think about it too
00:32:37.880
much, but you know, that's why. If you were to ask me why it's wrong, that's what I would tell you.
00:32:42.080
Now let me ask you, atheist, leftist, why is racism wrong? If you're on the left, especially if you're
00:32:50.300
an atheist, materialist, there's no such thing as human dignity. There's no such thing as being made in
00:32:56.920
the image of God. You don't believe in God. We're all, life is just a sort of random accident,
00:33:02.300
isn't it? And we're all just somewhere on the evolutionary scale, moving toward whatever
00:33:07.980
the logic of random mutation wants us to move toward. There's no rhyme or reason. It's just,
00:33:13.380
this is all just a big cosmic joke. So if that's true, if there is no divine logic to the universe,
00:33:21.480
then racism's now wrong and they can't explain. And that's why they are racist, by the way, right?
00:33:27.900
I mean, that's why now the only, the only systemic racism that exists in the country,
00:33:33.100
legal racism, is against white people and Asian people in the form of affirmative action,
00:33:37.600
which disadvantages whites and Asians on the basis of their race and gives advantage to black
00:33:41.920
and Hispanic people on the basis of their race. This is why the left feels no problem coming out and
00:33:48.200
be, the only, the only overt racism that is permissible in the country right now is against
00:33:53.500
white people. But they'll say that's not racism and they can't quite explain what that is because
00:33:58.000
they can't explain what racism is. And even if they could, they couldn't explain why they're against
00:34:01.240
it. Okay. First part. Second part, why is murder wrong? Why is murder wrong? Let's say Derek Chauvin
00:34:08.020
murdered George Floyd. I don't think he did, but let's say he did. Why is that wrong? If there's no God,
00:34:13.680
if there's no image of God, if there is no human dignity, if there is no soul, if we're all just
00:34:21.240
kind of meat puppets and it's all just a joke and that our consciousness is just a delusion,
00:34:26.520
why is murder wrong? We're just meat puppets. It doesn't matter. There's no, there's no real
00:34:30.800
substantive difference. There's no, there's no difference in dignity and moral worth between
00:34:35.880
me and my Tumblr. So who cares? All right. I've never understood this with the, the radical left
00:34:42.020
that denies the whole moral order when they harp on the alleged epidemic of campus rape,
00:34:51.060
which is based on ridiculous statistics that I knocked down in my upcoming book,
00:34:56.540
Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, available now for pre-order. Who knows for how
00:34:59.480
long that will be the case, but they will say, you know, there's a sexual assault epidemic right now.
00:35:04.560
Harvard is actually more dangerous for women than downtown Baghdad or something. And, uh,
00:35:10.580
therefore, uh, we, we've got to take this very, very seriously.
00:35:17.000
If sex doesn't matter, if sex is just, you know, we can all just engage in the hookup culture and
00:35:22.000
we're all just meat puppets. And if it feels good, do it. And it's, look, it's nothing. It's nothing.
00:35:26.000
It's just sex. Who cares? Come on. Stop making such a big deal. You prudes. If sex doesn't matter,
00:35:30.880
then why is sexual assault any worse than slapping someone in the face?
00:35:37.760
Why? It's all, it's, if, if sex doesn't matter in some metaphysical way,
00:35:44.760
then why is sexual assault? The act is just the same as any other kind of sex.
00:35:50.360
And if sex doesn't move the needle really, then even if you call it an assault, it's no different
00:35:57.120
than me punching my buddy in the shoulder, right? Now we all know that isn't true, but why,
00:36:02.640
why is murder wrong? And then the final question, the big question that we should all be asking
00:36:06.960
ourselves right now, but the left can't do it. What is justice? What is justice? There is an answer to
00:36:14.020
this question. Justice is giving to each what it deserves, putting things in their proper place,
00:36:22.200
acknowledging the objective moral order, and then aligning ourselves to that.
00:36:30.980
But if you don't believe in that, if you don't think there is an objective moral order,
00:36:34.980
if you don't think there is an objective moral arbiter, if you don't believe in any of that stuff,
00:36:41.240
then there is no justice. And there will be no peace. And they're right. And they're, if all,
00:36:49.700
I mean, their premises are totally off, but according to their premises, that's what's going to happen.
00:36:54.500
If this is all just about we human beings in our pride, trying to be as gods, right? The first lie
00:37:03.360
in the garden of Eden that created the radical leftist ideology, this according to Whitaker Chambers,
00:37:08.800
who wrote that excellent book, Witness, ex-communist, who was one of the people who was
00:37:12.240
influential in making Ronald Reagan turn from liberalism to conservatism. This idea, we shall
00:37:18.460
be as gods, we shall totally refashion society. And we'll make up our system of justice. We'll just
00:37:24.380
make it up. It's not the traditional conservative view is that our justice system is supposed to
00:37:29.320
reflect the objective order of justice. The modern liberal view is we'll just, we'll just make it up
00:37:36.380
whatever we want. That's going to be the justice system because that's what we want. Because all
00:37:39.960
that ultimately matters in politics is our will, our willfulness. And when we're talking about the
00:37:47.360
left, we're not talking about the higher will, the rational will that, that is the mediator between
00:37:51.700
the lower appetites and the divine will. It isn't that because they don't, they don't believe that
00:37:55.720
that sort of thing exists. So it's just that lower base appetite. Is that justice? I don't think so.
00:38:02.840
Speaking of lower base desires, give you a great example of this in an unjust society.
00:38:07.720
There's a video just put up by Angela Stanton King, who is a right-wing activist. This was
00:38:13.700
apparently the South Beach area LGBT club called Palace. The Blaze reported on this video where it's
00:38:21.580
at this drag bar and they bring little kids up on stage and have them pick up the dollar bills that
00:38:28.100
are being thrown at them during this performance. Take a listen.
00:38:31.080
Now I'm sitting here trying to figure out why in the hell these people got these
00:38:35.740
little bitty ass kids at this drag show, y'all.
00:38:41.600
It is 11.40 at night. These people have children in a drag show in LA on a beach. Look at this
00:38:49.240
look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this.
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Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this.
00:39:29.040
Got them picking up the money off the floor like they strippers and shit now.
00:39:33.480
So we obviously blurred out the image. We don't want these little girls' faces to be out there.
00:39:39.040
And we had to bleep out the woman's commentary. But I actually wish we didn't have to bleep out the
00:39:44.300
woman's commentary because although I prefer not to use coarse language in public, I prefer not to go
00:39:50.460
blue, I think this woman is saying exactly what we're all thinking. I think this woman, frankly, if
00:39:57.300
anything, she was being restrained. Could you imagine if you, well, I guess you wouldn't be there, right?
00:40:02.420
You wouldn't be at some drag bar in South Beach that would have kids dancing on the stage.
00:40:06.000
But if you were and you saw that, what must you think? This is such a deeply unjust society
00:40:14.540
that would permit this sort of thing. And yet, according to the logic of the left that the left
00:40:19.660
is pushing, especially on this gender issue, what's wrong with that? No, it's fun. It's nice. It's open.
00:40:26.140
It's tolerant. It's liberating. That these little, little itty-bitty girls are being treated, or I
00:40:32.060
don't know if they're girls or they're boys who dress like girls. I don't know. I don't know. I
00:40:34.940
didn't pay close enough attention to the video, and you shouldn't either. Let's just call them
00:40:38.420
girls. What's wrong with them being treated like strippers and picking up the, stripping is
00:40:42.920
empowering. What's being, what's wrong with them having dollar bills thrown at them like they're,
00:40:48.200
like they're just meat puppets, you know, like they're just flesh. We're just flesh. That's all we all
00:40:52.160
are, right? What's wrong with them being sexualized? We're told that little children,
00:40:57.400
three-year-old kids ought to be able to make the decision to castrate themselves and to mutilate
00:41:04.900
their bodies because they know their true sexual essence. They have a deep sexual nature.
00:41:11.520
They are, they are sexualized from the very beginning and they possess the ability to consent
00:41:17.120
to these sorts of things, right? So we got to get rid of age of consent laws. We have to, if you,
00:41:22.840
if you say that a little kid can make the informed decision to mutilate himself and to cut off his
00:41:28.060
genitals, certainly that little kid can make the informed decision to dance around for dollars.
00:41:33.320
That's a, that's a far less outrageous sexual sort of decision. Surely that little kid can consent
00:41:39.520
to sexual behavior if you're granting the premise that the kid can castrate himself.
00:41:45.740
Where is the, there doesn't need to be a coherence. There doesn't need to be a logic here because
00:41:52.680
what the left, the left is ultimately denying that in favor of willfulness and interest. If I want it,
00:42:00.100
it is good. That is ultimately what this is coming down to. Injustice never enters the equation.
00:42:09.280
We are not going to get more peace. The verdict that we got here is not going to result in peace
00:42:17.460
in this country. To quote the libs, no justice, no peace. That's, that's not a, it's not even just
00:42:24.440
a threat. It's often a threat when they make it. They're saying, if you don't give me what I want,
00:42:28.660
I'm going to burn down the country. But it's also just an observation. If you don't have justice,
00:42:31.840
you won't have peace. I'll, I'll take this in a very, very small example here.
00:42:39.600
Last night, some lady, I don't know. Some, I assume a lady. I don't know. Maybe, maybe that's
00:42:44.520
an unjust description. Someone tweets at me from an anonymous Twitter account says, I just listened
00:42:50.600
to your show for about three minutes. I have to say you're, I have to say you're one of the most
00:42:54.580
disgusting people I've ever heard speak. Okay. I don't, I don't mention this because this is the
00:43:00.200
first mean tweet I've ever gotten. You know, I get, I get, get a lot of those. Everybody does on
00:43:04.100
Twitter. I bring it up because I want to know what mania impels somebody to speak this way to
00:43:13.880
a perfect stranger. What mania impels you to do that? And I thought this tweet was just perfect
00:43:20.320
as they say, I listened to your show. I listened to you for three minutes. You're one of the most
00:43:22.880
disgusting people I've ever heard. Right? I know, I know very little about you. I know basically
00:43:26.660
nothing about you, but I hate you. It's basically what this person is saying. There are two things
00:43:32.480
that could impel someone to do that. One is just trolling and people do that on Twitter.
00:43:39.160
Right? They just, they just tweet, regardless of what they believe, they just tweet to try to get
00:43:43.340
a reaction out of you because it's funny because it can be funny. The other thing is ideology where
00:43:47.420
you just, where you believe that really there is this embodiment of pure evil and it's the, you know,
00:43:52.800
the straight white conservative man. He's the most evil person in the world and so therefore you've got
00:43:56.940
to silence him, ostracize him, censor him, or worse, physically threaten him as, as is often the
00:44:02.380
case. If you're Maxine Waters, for instance, you, you physically, you, you encourage riots. Okay.
00:44:12.240
Either way, if it's ideology or if it's trolling, even actually even more so if it's trolling,
00:44:18.580
just a word of caution to people when we think about justice, you are imperiling your soul if you
00:44:26.160
do this sort of thing. I think there is an idea that what we do in politics, what we do on TV,
00:44:31.000
what we do in the newspapers or especially what we do on the internet doesn't matter. It's just
00:44:37.880
pretend. The internet isn't real. It's just make believe it is real. It is because you really are
00:44:44.560
doing it. It's, it's all the things you look at on the internet, the things you say to other people
00:44:50.480
on the internet, the ways you behave when you think that nobody is looking actually do matter
00:44:56.900
because regardless of what the left wants us to believe about the nature of justice,
00:45:00.680
there really is an objective moral order. There actually is justice and we will be accountable
00:45:06.060
someday for the things that we do. And we want to pretend in our liberal decadent culture that we
00:45:12.520
can just sort of push a pause, that we can just sort of suspend the rules and kind of do whatever we
00:45:17.260
want because that's my individual autonomy. That's what, that's what I will. And my willfulness is all
00:45:22.060
said to matter, but that's not the case. There actually is an objective moral order. And when
00:45:28.380
you turn away from that, and when you do evil things, and when you spend your life involved in
00:45:32.960
injustice and crime, things don't turn out well in the here or in the hereafter. You think the anger's
00:45:42.980
over? No justice, no peace. BLM protesters in New York ran up to some people, I guess mostly white
00:45:50.020
people who were at a restaurant, screaming to the white people, get out of New York.
00:45:54.340
We don't want you here. We don't want you here. We don't want your money.
00:46:03.960
We don't want your f***ing money. We don't want your f***ing taqueria.
00:46:08.280
We don't want your f***ing taqueria. Owned by a f***ing white man.
00:46:18.620
So this guy seems a little bit confused, doesn't he? Because he's saying,
00:46:28.700
there are a lot of problems with what he's saying. The first is, you white man, you white devils,
00:46:33.940
we don't want your taquerias. I said, wait, hold on a second. Last I checked, taquerias are,
00:46:39.880
they're usually not associated with like England, right? You know, they're not, they're kind of a
00:46:44.700
more, they're different. Isn't that more of a Latino kind of thing? Or the Latino is white? I don't,
00:46:49.520
I didn't think that. I thought they were people of color, but I guess for the purposes of this guy
00:46:53.620
screaming at people dining in the street, then they're white people. Obviously this guy
00:46:58.860
should be arrested. This guy should not, this guy who is disturbing the peace,
00:47:05.060
who is making a big nuisance of himself, should, should not be permitted to do these sorts of
00:47:09.940
things in society. A just society would, would take care of someone like that. But probably,
00:47:15.760
I'm not saying even put him in prison necessarily. He should be in an institution somewhere,
00:47:19.380
okay? As well as the maniacs following him. Then to say, we don't, we, we, who is the we?
00:47:27.720
Is that black people? Is that, I don't know. We don't want you white people here in New York.
00:47:34.460
White people have been in New York for a long time. York, I isn't, I think that name comes from a place
00:47:42.120
in England, doesn't it? Does it? Before New York was New York, it was New Amsterdam. Amsterdam,
00:47:47.580
there are a lot of white people in Amsterdam too, just as there were in New Amsterdam.
00:47:53.140
What is the argument here? Yeah, I guess his argument is that white people shouldn't,
00:47:57.300
it's not legitimate for them to be in New York. It's unjust for them to be in New York. What?
00:48:03.080
Huh? No, he's not making any argument though, really. He's just saying, I don't want you here.
00:48:08.880
My will, my base degraded, degenerate, lower will is insisting that we kick all of you people out.
00:48:18.580
And that is now effectively our system of justice in this country.
00:48:25.600
There will not be peace if that is taken to be our system of justice. There can't be
00:48:30.500
because there's nothing to rely on. A great consolation in this world is even though we
00:48:37.660
all suffer injustices, I know it's very fashionable now on the BLM left to say that only black people
00:48:42.500
ever suffer injustice. And you know, white people, they've got it so good. And on the feminist left,
00:48:46.620
only women ever suffer injustice. And man, man, we got it so good. And only on the intersectional
00:48:52.120
sort of sexual left, only homosexuals and transsexuals and whoever, people who have kind
00:48:57.460
of unusual sexual behaviors, only they have a bad, but straight people, oh man, they got
00:49:03.580
it so good. Now, you know, everybody suffers injustice. It's a fallen world and sin and
00:49:07.700
death pervade the world. And a ballast for us here, a great consolation is that ultimately
00:49:14.040
there is justice. Ultimately, there is the ultimate arbiter, the big judge in the sky,
00:49:21.260
right? And that our justice system here on earth is meant to pursue that very justice,
00:49:28.120
that very same justice, which is eternal, even if it is imperfectly applied in this world.
00:49:34.040
If we lose faith in that because we now have faith in some bizarre religious understanding,
00:49:40.080
some totally perverse religious understanding of the world, then there really,
00:49:43.800
it will not be any peace. AOC, absolutely, absolutely right on that minor point.
00:49:51.260
She's probably cheering it on. I think the rest of us, people who are looking at the situation,
00:49:55.900
it's a little more sobriety. No one can celebrate what happened yesterday.
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